IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-03-29

qgil who can see this page? everybody? mentors? just me? (thanks)00:00
tigertthat is strange00:00
tigert"You are not authorized to view this page."00:00
TakI are not authorized to view this page.00:00
qgileven if logged in Google00:00
MDKqgil: can't see ("You are not authorized to view this page.")00:00
rhsanborntigert, aye, either the radio has gone bad (doubt it, its still getting wireless signal) or something got pooched in the software (OS?)00:00
TakI'm logged in00:00
MDKyes, even when logged00:00
qgiloook, thanks - there are lots of mentors there, I recognize most of them but not all00:01
danielstigert: try now00:01
danielstigert: make sure you copy that exactly right00:01
qgilI'll send an email to sanitize the list, sorry if I make waste the time of some of you insiders...00:01
tigert edgy/$(ARCH)/00:03
tigertyou had a linebreak on your message so I am not sure00:03
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rhsanbornYou can format the 800 back to factory, right?00:08
MDKyou can reflash it00:10
rhsanbornMDK, think thats going to be the next step, thanks00:11
rhsanbornBAH!!! got it00:11
rhsanbornHad to turn it off and remove the battery00:11
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danielstigert: correct, try now00:26
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bipolarkkito: ping00:27
tigertdaniels: wilco00:28
tigertyea, fetches nicely now00:28
tigertdaniels: so should I do something about xorg.conf?00:29
tigertor just leave it out?00:29
tigertor do you have some nice one to start from?00:29
tigertshould I restart X and see what happens, or..?00:30
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tigertX: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions// undefined symbol: drmSetServerInfo00:55
* tigert installs libdrm200:55
danielstigert: sorry, been hitting the wiki00:57
danielstigert: you can just delete xorg.conf, yeah00:57
* tigert hugs daniels 00:59
tigertX :100:59
tigertit just works :D00:59
tigertawesome cloned 1680x1050 without any tweaks01:00
tigertis there some tool to switch to dualhead etcetera?01:00
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danielstigert: yep, use xrandr01:01
danielstigert: xrandr --output LVDS --off, i think xrandr --auto will set up dual head as well, but i'm not entirely sure tbh01:01
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Takaww, and I went to the trouble to copy over my xorg.conf from a previous install01:02
* bipolar wants to know how the kde work is comming along....01:02
tigerthm, it defaults to US keymap01:02
* tigert wonders if there is a gnome setting for this or what01:02
tigertbut this works beautifully01:03
danielstigert: yeah, system->preferences->keyboard01:03
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tigertso, does this do dualhead easily too?01:04
tigertand how does it work if I want to switch to lcd again and turn off the other one?01:05
tigertjust --output LVDS --on ?01:05
danielsyeah, i think so01:06
danielsmaybe xrandr --output vga --right-of lvds --auto --on, to do dual-head?01:07
florianhmmm... are not 1680x1050 a little bit low amount of pixels for 22"?01:07
bipolarflorian: sounds like a widescreen01:07
tigertit is a widescreen01:07
tigertand not very dense one01:08
floriani have 1600x1024 in 17" and feel the pixels should be smaller01:08
tigertbut for 400 euros I am happy with this01:08
tigertits nice for videos and doing some graphics work01:09
Takwell, if you extrapolate the n800 dpi, it should be about 2800x157501:11
danielsyou laugh, but samsung (i think) used to make a 204dpi 30" screen01:13
tigertthose are insane01:15
tigertthis is samsung but its not exactly that dpi :)01:15
tigertbut man, elephant's dream HD version looks awesome in this size :)01:16
tigert(the Blender movie)01:16
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tigert  resolution:    90x88 dots per inch01:17
tigertbut its pretty good thing anyway, good for the eyes :)01:17
tigertand good contrast01:17
florianok, that's about what my ipaq makes... that's ok :)01:18
tigertits the "regular monitor" range01:18
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rhsanbornHas anyone had the problem where their BT keybord sort of freezes up and spams the screen with the last key presseD?01:22
jkurhsanborn, that was a common complaint from users of some keyboards and 77001:23
jkucommon == read it more than once somewhere01:24
danielsyeah, it's hard (i.e. impossible) to fix with our current keyboard architecture, sadly01:24
danielsit'll be fixed in some future sw update, when we move to an evdev driver in x and in-kernel repeating, but not anytime soon01:24
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rhsanbornIf so, do you know what it indicates? (Change settings? Change battery?)01:24
rhsanbornbah, its been driving me nuts. I'm trying to write a paper in vim, and every 5th word it does that01:24
danielsrhsanborn: turn your microwave off ;)01:25
danielsrhsanborn: basically, it means the keyrelease was lost, so you've either got some bad interference, or a low battery, i guess01:25
danielsi can see how a stuck key would be a bad thing in vim ...01:25
rhsanbornI'm going to try the battery. And yes, the vim thing is making me mad01:26
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danielsMDK: do you make all that sushi?01:35
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tigerthow do I turn on this laptop lcd again?01:46
tigertanyway, time to sleep01:46
tigertwill play more tomorrow01:46
tigertthanks a lot!01:47
tigertwill think about the logo, hopefully I get ideas soon01:47
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danielstigert: xrandr --output LVDS --auto should do it01:53
danielstigert: no worries :)01:53
|tbb|anyone knows if a port of tor for maemo is in planning?01:56
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unique311whats up03:44
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Markovdo you know where i can dl themes?03:49
Markovis there a repository somewhere?03:49
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unique311not sure03:55
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unique311Think my n800 has a bug04:00
unique311everytime i install a new app. my background image diasappears.04:00
unique311and i have to reapply it04:00
unique311help me howard04:00
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Markovreboot? reflash?04:18
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unique311anyone around now?05:14
unique311this is probably the biggest channel i've ever been in.  and no one is chatting...hmm guess everyone is developing..05:15
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bhimaI screwwwed up my maemo mapper preferennces.05:26
bhimaIt won't start up.05:26
bhimaand I caan't find where they are stored.05:26
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Markovwhat video codecs does the n800 support?06:56
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febb_hola again Markov07:38
febb_having trouble....uh?07:39
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febb_hi greentux07:48
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jkubhima: gconf (/apps/maemo/maemo-mapper/)09:39
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konttoriNew version of UK MP released (media player that rocks)10:32
robtaylorkonttori: hey, i'm just about to build some python-coherence debs for bora...10:35
konttoriahh... cool.10:35
konttoriI've tested UK MP now with 5.1 GB of music and 1024 files. I see no reason why it couldn't handle pretty much anything a upnp system can give to it. (although I may be seriously mistaken about that ;))10:36
konttoriSO, coherence integration sounds wonderfull ... at some point. Now ... debugging the local file based system10:37
konttoriI need help on getting bug reports (preferable tested on latest version and with xterm copy paste) - urho.konttori@gmail.com10:38
robtayloryou can have fun figureing a nice interface for uploading songs to a media server10:38
konttoribut now  I have to run.10:38
konttoriOh, is it possible that way as well?10:38
robtaylorwill be:)10:38
MDKdaniels: yes I do10:40
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robtaylorhas anyone ported python-central for bora yet?10:49
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koen|labrobtaylor: maybe Luciano is working on it?10:50
robtaylorkoen|lab: i just found in logs that jamey did it :)10:53
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robtaylorkoen|lab: its all slightly smelly for mameo, cos of scratchbox10:55
robtaylorjamey: ping?10:55
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koen|labrobtaylor: the indt people loathe sb for python stuff, since they never know for sure if it's running host tools or emulated tools10:56
koen|labrobtaylor: they switched to full emulation under qemu10:56
robtaylorkoen|lab: i'm not really suprised10:57
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devkonttori: there won't be a big difference, just the input for SongProcessor will change a bit10:58
robtaylorkoen|lab: i've had so many weird issues appear in sb cos of things like that :/10:58
robtaylordev: hey :)10:58
devand good morning btw10:58
konttori_dev: Sorry. I must have missed something. What will change in songprocessor?11:04
devthe input, from file-system to some xml11:04
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konttori_ah.. You mean in media player?11:05
konttori_from switching to use coherence instead of local files. Yeah. True enough!11:06
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konttori_And then the playing is probably a little different11:06
devnot really11:07
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danielsMDK: nice11:11
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tigertdaniels: heya11:17
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danielstigert: yo11:21
tigertso it worked nicely at home,11:22
tigertthen I came to work and unsuspended and it said 1400xsomething is available in the gnome res applet11:22
tigertonce I booted with the big tft it gave me 1600x120011:23
robtaylordaniels: yo mofo, sup?11:23
danielstigert: would you believe i just woke up? i'll be there to poke it in half an hour ish.  emphasis on the 'ish'. ;)11:25
danielsrobtaylor: nommuch, you? just trying to fix the wiki11:25
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robtaylordaniels: not much either, did some thinking about ohm and screenblanking last night..11:26
tigertdaniels: :)11:30
MDKtigert: I don't get it, does it work or not?11:30
danielsrobtaylor: oh?11:31
MDKI have this problem with my t43/ATI, that it doesn't work too good with DVI and suspend11:31
robtaylordaniels: well, its slightly non obvious how to get a system daemon to know about the active session blanking11:32
MDKwhen I suspend when connected to tft, it'll not give me picture when brought back to live without tft/dvi connection11:32
danielsrobtaylor: hmm11:32
danielsrobtaylor: well, if we all use the magical kernel modesetting interface, i guess it could come from there11:32
danielsMDK: i can believe that11:33
robtaylordaniels: i guess that won't work in the general case,will it?11:33
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tigertMDK: it works11:35
tigertMDK: but it had some small glitch11:35
SonejAnyone using irssi on the n800?11:35
tigertSonej: yes, but not on the n80011:35
tigertSonej: N800 > ssh > screen > irssi11:35
tigerton my home box11:35
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SonejOkey, irssi is so slick i would want it on the 800.11:37
tigertwell, essentially I have "irssi on the N800"11:39
tigerteven though it runs over ssh11:39
tigertthe bonus is dont need to disconnect from irc all the time11:39
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Sonejtrue, but i dont have a computer for that11:39
danielsrobtaylor: in the future, when we all have flying cars ...11:39
SonejIs there like an easy way to gain root?11:40
tigertSonej: yes11:40
tigertr&d mode, or11:40
tigertredpill mode in app installer, install ssh and xterm11:41
bergiesshing is easiest I think11:41
tigertthen ssh root@localhost; passwd is "rootme"11:41
tigertand change it11:41
tigertfor obvious reasons11:41
tigertbergie: heya11:41
tigerthows the conf?11:41
bergiethey're speaking in norwegian ;-)11:42
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Sonejhmm will check it out, Redpill is an application?11:43
bergieSonej: no, it is mode in application manager which enables you to install all packages instead of just regular desktop apps11:44
OkkoSonej: Irssi is available for the older IT OS 2006,, and it might work on N800 too11:44
SonejWill look in to it11:44
bergieSonej: I believe Redpill is not even needed anymore. You can just go to Application manager settings and check the "Show all packages" box11:45
tigertbergie: oh ok11:45
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bergieRedpill is a fun idea, though :-)11:46
AD-N770good morning11:46
Sonejjust got it activated11:47
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konttori_dev: so, you had a look at the code. Not too cleat ATM. ;) Anyway, do you actually mean that I can just use gstreamer to access the unpn stuff?11:49
* konttori_ is not very well informed in the science of upnp11:49
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OkkoSonej: I was told that you should be careful with it, some packages available in the Red pill mode may be broken.11:50
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devkonttori: yeah, it may need a bit of polishing - but which code doesn't?11:52
konttori_Indeed. Yeah, and user interface stuff has to abviously be written, so a bit of tuning in the backend will probably feel like a walk in the park11:53
SonejOkko, i will, thnx11:53
robtaylorkonttori_: how fast does your ui run on the N800? ispython a lot less painful now?11:55
JaffaMorning, all11:59
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konttori_robTaylor: Ui runs pretty nicely. I think python rocks on maemo. I feel that whatever lagging is going on in media player, it's my fault, not pythons.12:20
konttori_robtaylor: I'll try to do optimization in the next few days, so I'm looking forward to how much more I can sqeeze from pygame12:28
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robtaylorkonttori_: cool stuff :)12:32
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mikemorrisonwould anyone know why my icon is not showing up in the task navigator on the n800, yet it shows up in the scratchbox?12:44
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konttori_robtaylor: have you been thinking about doing something in python?13:28
robtaylorkonttori_: naa, just interested in how its looking13:29
robtaylorkonttori_: maybe porting telepathy-msn to the n80013:29
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jonekdoes anybody know how Google decides in SoC how many 'slots' a mentoring organisation will get? is it just #mentoringOrganisations/600?13:39
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jonekif we have, let's say 7 slots given by google but 10 proposals with mentors how do we decide which proposal will get a slot if there are some with equal score at the lower end??13:41
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jku_jonek, I guess you'll just have to score them so they aren't all at the same score?14:09
jku_the slot algorithm is not as simple as you described, I bet the quality of the applications matters -- why else would they let you score them before the slots are decided?14:11
jku_ They won't be reading thousands of applications at Google, but I can imagine them reading the ones on the "line"...14:14
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* konttori_ got UKMP project accepted to garage. Sources will appear in the evening. Thanks Nokia!14:21
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jameyhi robtaylor14:37
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jameyyes, I ported python-central and python-support to bora14:38
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jameyand python-defaults, lsb, zope and twisted14:38
jameythey are in deb bora extras14:39
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robtaylorjamey: brilliant14:49
robtaylorjamey: do i need to hack anything in scratchbox to get it work?14:50
jameyI'm not sure. Along the way, I removed /scratchbox/tools/bin/python and edited all the scratchbox scripts to invoke /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 directly.14:51
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jameyJust removing /scratchbox/tools/bin/python works but the scripts run slowly because they run the ARM binary14:51
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robtaylorjamey: hmm, do i need any other apt repos as well?14:52
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jameyno, just the standard bora ones plus this one. Is it not finding something?14:55
jameylet me check to be sure14:55
robtaylori've just watched apt-get -f install delete half my system =)14:55
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jameyHmm. I am sorry to hear that. Did it say why?14:58
robtaylor Package pkg-config has no installation candidate14:58
jameyin scratchbox or on n800?14:58
jameyshould be using 'pkg-config from Scratchbox'14:59
robtaylorwell, yes. not sure what's supposed to fulfil the package dependancy though :/15:00
Sonejisent .m4a supported on the n800? cant play it15:01
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jameyfor me, scratchbox dpkg --list shows 'ii  pkg-config                        0.15.0+virtual1                   pkg-config from Scratchbox'15:01
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robtaylori'll extract a new rootfs..15:03
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robtaylorjamey: i hadn't built the virtual packages, serves me right for not reading the docs fully...16:15
robtaylorjamey: but now i have python-support: Depends: python2.5 (>= 2.4.3-10) but it is not installable16:15
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pwilleAnyone got working on a n800?16:17
cosmo__is there a client?16:18
pwilleflash player on the website does not seem to work in opera16:20
robtaylorjamey: also the Depends in question looks a bit odd: Depends: python2.5 (>= 2.4.3-10)16:22
jameyrobtaylor, well, all of the python2.5 packages will have version greater than 2.4.3...16:23
jameyIn some cases, I changes dependences on python to python2.5 and removed the version dependence, but othertimes I left it alone to minimize editing.16:24
jameypython2.5 is not installable or python-support is not installable?16:24
Okkopwille: haven't tried, but you could try minimo?16:24
robtaylorjamey: ah, its that i had bora/extras but not extras/bora16:25
jameyoh right -- the python feed has a funny name16:26
robtayloryeah, think i've got it all now16:27
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pwilleOkko: I'll try minimo16:28
AndrewGearhartcuriosity... does anybody know if USB-to-go requires different hardware... or just different drivers.16:28
robtaylorjamey: thanks :)16:28
jameyAndrewGearhart, different hardware than just host or device controller16:29
AndrewGearhartjamey: boo16:29
jameyAndrewGearhart, essentially requires both host and device controller and drivers to go with that16:29
jameythough some controllers can be talked into doing both even though not originally designed to do so16:29
jameyAndrewGearhart, which hardware are you interested in?16:30
jameyasking about that is16:30
AndrewGearhartI heard rumors ... that the N800 is being massaged to try to do USB2go16:30
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jameyN800 supports on the go USB16:31
jameyboth hardware and drivers16:31
jameyN770 did as well but you needed a powered hub16:31
jameyso I have been told. Have not verified with N800.16:32
* AndrewGearhart starts pondering what he can do with it.16:32
X-FadeAFAIK there are no driver for N800 yet.16:32
AndrewGearhartX-Fade: that was my understanding from the rumor I'd heard (FOF)16:33
cosmo__does N800 need usb power injection?16:33
tigertafaik yes16:35
AndrewGearhartcosmo__: obviously... it would depend on the device you're connecting.16:36
timelessanyone here familiar w/ garage? :(16:41
* timeless is trying to find out why various new projects don't seem to have svn repos16:41
bergietimeless: garage is cron-based, so there is a bit of delay16:41
timelessbergie: sure, but created projects, once they're created? at what point do they get an svn repo?16:42
timelessoh, and boy do i hate gforge16:42
Okkojamey: "USB host support" is listed in the "Planned features"16:42
timelessthe permanently delete project link is infinitely wide16:42
timelesswhose bright idea was that?16:43
bergietimeless: when you register/approve a project, that stuff only enters things in a DB16:43
bergiethen there are cron scripts that watch the DB and create repositories, accounts and other things16:43
pwilleOkko: No luck in Minimo (with
timelessi don't suppose there's an easy way to watch that cron script? :)16:43
bergieit is kind of clean architecture, but means delays16:43
Okkopwille: bummer :(16:44
bergietimeless: not AFAIK16:44
Okkopwille: but I guess the problem is at's end then if they don't support standards.16:44
bergieif things are not happening as they should in garage then maybe ferenc can take a look there16:44
pwilleOkko: Yah. Nokia even shows on a n800 in one of their commercials (internetwalk or something)16:45
robtaylorjamey: do you also have plans for python-minimal? i notied its in your repo, but python2.5-minimal doesnt seem to be availaible anywhere16:45
pwilleOkko: i think its a flash player problem16:45
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Okkopwille: I've ended up in some sites that have redirected me to a flash player download page.. it then suggests the linux player for N800.. :)16:47
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Okkoeven though the N800 already has flash16:48
pwilleOkko: :(16:49
danielsOkko: that's because some sites are crap and test on the user-agent16:54
danielsif it's not ie or firefox, they get confused16:54
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robtaylorwaaaa. why can't we have a decent version of debhelper in sbox?16:58
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rossso i'm trying to build stuff with sbox and the maemo3.0 arm rootstrap17:12
robtaylorhey ross17:14
rosshi ro17:14
rossi get this:17:14
rossChecking for required M4 macros...17:14
ross  libtool.m4 not found17:14
ross  intltool.m4 not found17:14
ross  pkg.m4 not found17:14
ross  gtk-doc.m4 not found17:14
rossscratchbox should be providing those17:14
rossand this used to work17:14
robtaylorross:did you install your target using the new script, or manually?17:15
suihkulokkirobtaylor: since we are told to be sarge compatible..17:15
rossrobtaylor: the magic script17:15
robtaylorsuihkulokki: well, thats the most useless thing ever17:15
robtaylorsuihkulokki: esp as tehre no way to be sarge compatible as sarge didn't have armel17:16
suihkulokkirobtaylor: in fact I included debhelper 5.0 into the original unofficial sbox 1.0 armel devkit17:16
robtaylorsuihkulokki: and some boss-man started wibbling? ;)17:17
maddlerhi all!17:17
suihkulokkirobtaylor: that's one way to put it :P17:18
suihkulokkirobtaylor: however, the next debian devkit shall have a full selection of etch tools17:18
robtaylorsuihkulokki: very cool :)17:19
robtaylorsuihkulokki: whats the ETA of that?17:19
suihkulokkirobtaylor: when it's ready :)17:20
suihkulokkirobtaylor: I think the stuff is already committed and there is some unnoficial build floating around17:21
robsterross: i just hacked them in from elsewhere17:21
robtaylorross: yeah, i'm bemused too, some of those should be in scratchbox-core and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm too17:21
rossrobster: the things i go through to make eds-dbus17:21
robsterross: they are all in scratchbox just not in the right directory17:21
robtaylorwell, actually they are, but dont appear on the fs17:21
robsterross: dpkg -S is your friend17:21
robsterross: and then just copy them in17:22
robtayloror ln -s /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/arch_tools/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 etc17:22
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robtaylorsuihkulokki: is this a case of a missing file-copy stage?17:23
robsterrobtaylor: indeed.17:24
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TakI think somebody beat you to it17:56
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AndrewGearhartanybody ever run a localhost web server w/ php and sql on their n800 / n770?17:57
AndrewGearharti'm imagining thttpd (w/ php) and sqlLite17:57
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jameyrobtaylor, I packaged python-minimal but did not test it. It appears to have bad dependence. Should be easy to fix.18:18
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Knowledge_so no one else has the white background issue when they launch (only) the app installer in full screen for a while? I think it's a bug...18:19
Knowledge_unless it's because I didn't format my MMC card...after updating my firmware and redoing the Boot from MMC.18:19
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Knowledge_ohhhh....WSOD...white screen of death...18:22
Knowledge_no wait, that's something else.18:22
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bipolarkkito: how's it going?18:29
Sonejm4a files encoded by iTunes is not working, right?18:29
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sp3000the m4a I've had came from garageband I suppose, those worked18:33
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AndrewGearhartif I did boot from MMC... theoretically... it would require less "flashing" of the main device... correct?19:17
AndrewGearhartwell... would eliminate it essentially...19:17
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mk8Bye to all ... I go out ....19:36
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jameyrobtaylor, I guess there is not a python2.5-minimal. Should I cheat and have python-minimal depend on python2.5?20:29
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robtaylorjamey: hmm, i guess thats a possibility20:34
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robtayloraCiDBaSe: youe work on pymaemo, right?20:39
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aCiDBaSerobtaylor: yes, and luck too..20:47
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robtayloraCiDBaSe: any plans for python2.5-minimal20:48
aCiDBaSeno, we don't have plans for this, but we can think about this...20:50
wontan76_stupid question, what is the main interest in python for nokias20:50
wontan76_some kind of glue language20:50
wontan76_or end user python-pygtk apps20:50
ptmanwontan76_: more applications20:50
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ptmanwontan76_: lower the step for creating applications20:51
wontan76_ah thanks.20:51
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ptmanI don't know what it officially is, but that's my guess20:51
ptmanI wouldn't touch C, but python lets me do stuff where speed isn't critical20:52
wontan76_again n00b question: what is the preferred gui library for python on nokia?20:53
robtayloraCiDBaSe: if i get a load of packages building, would you include them in your repo?20:53
wontan76_Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 88,000 for pygtk maemo.20:53
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timelesshello world22:23
timelesscould someone please explain how application manager or maemo-af-desktop decides which menu to stick an application into?22:23
maddlerit's defined in the .deb22:24
maddlercan't recall... :(22:25
maddlerthere was something in the wiki...22:25
* timeless wonders what a wiki is22:25
maddleros you could give a look at an existing package...22:25
timelessi'm looking at an existing package22:25
timelessnamely connection manager22:25
timelessi'm trying to figure out how to explain to someone that it's in tools and not somwhere else22:26
timelessproblem is it has too many files :)22:26
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maddlertimeless: you shold look at DEBIAN directory...22:28
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timelesssome things use Categories=22:29
timelessbut notes doesn't...22:29
jku_timeless: in a maintainer script "maemo-select-menu-location <app>.desktop [default-folder]"22:29
jku_see packaging howto22:30
timelessis that a debian//rules file?22:30
jku_postinst I believe22:30
timelessno one here seems to use that...22:31
jku_Actually, that's for the user interaction...22:31
jku_so, might not answer your question: it asks the user where to put things22:32
timelessthat's definitely not the answer i want :)22:32
jku_sorry :)22:33
timelessi'm trying to explain how something got into tools w/o asking the user22:33
timelessi suppose i could search debian/ directories for "tools", but that gives >1000 hits22:33
timelessis it normal to include ~ files in packages? :)22:34
timelesssp3000: base-passwd-3.5.11.osso3/debian/changelog~22:35
timeless(and one other in that package)22:35
timelessalso certs-1.5.12/debian/rules~22:36
timeless(and two others)22:36
timelesssp3000: but seriously, more pressing, since i can razz those people later, what controls where applets appear in the menu system? :)22:36
* timeless also has to figure out why the repository is corrupt)22:37
jku_Isn't it actually just the directory the desktop files are installed in?22:38
sp3000that'd be my first guess22:40
timelessthat's be my guess too22:41
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sp3000konttori, # ls /M*22:46
sp3000/Makefile             /MediaCenter          /MediaCenter.desktop  /       /MediaCenter.service22:46
sp3000something weird, there :)22:46
timelesshow so?22:47
timelesswhat's wrong w/ installing into /? :)22:47
timelessgnome sticks stuff there if you log into sun java desktop on solaris :)22:47
timeless(root's default home is / ...)22:47
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timelesshrm, i've only crashed desktop once, i've crashed the input manager 3 times :)22:51
timelessso, um...22:52
timelesswhere would the file structure be? supposing i'm using the file manager to browse my device :)22:52
timelessanyway, it's in the same place as all the others22:55
bill20r3anyone know if I can get a lists of wifi networks in range, from a shell?22:55
* timeless wonders what this file is22:56
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guerbyhi, any python/maemo hacker around?22:57
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etrunkoguerby: kind of23:04
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konttorisp3000: Hi! Umm... what's weird?23:11
sp3000konttori, files installed into / ?23:12
konttoriUmm...  odd.23:12
sp3000(including .svn etc foo)23:13
konttoriSOmething I might improve in the dpkg build23:13
Tak|workmeh, I'm doing something wrong with my home applet23:13
timelesssp3000: have you ever subscribed rss reader to a gconf feed?23:13
konttoriI didn't find any good instructions on how to dpkg properly, so once I got that working, I was just very happy ;)23:13
timelesssp3000: would you be shocked to hear that it isn't very agreeable to that? :)23:14
sp3000timeless: gconf feed?23:14
timeless%gconf.xml i suppose23:14
timelessit's rss, isn't it? i mean, it ends in .xml, and everyone knows .xml = rss :)23:15
sp3000ah :) thought you could extract something from gconf in a feed format23:15
StregI have some trouble installing ClawsMail (application packages missing: libxau0)23:15
Stregany ideas?23:15
timelessstreg: google's your friend23:15
Tak|worklibxau0 is in the garage repo iirc23:16
timelessif you set up certain repositories and install from a repository, it should work23:16
sp3000Streg: Nokia-N800-10:~# apt-cache policy libxau023:16
sp3000        500 bora/free Packages23:16
sp3000Streg: but they should be nice and give you an .install file for automagicality23:17
sp3000hmm. . isn't a vowel.23:17
timelessdepends how you read it, but, no it isn't.23:17
* timeless thinks this other application crashed23:18
timelesssp3000: remind me to dump my cores tomorrow :)23:18
Stregsp3000:thnakyou, will try...23:18
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timelesssp3000: =(, it isn't reproducable23:19
konttorisp3000: what would be a good place to install?23:20
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sp3000konttori, presumably where the copies go now23:23
konttoriUmm... How do I instruct dpkg to do that? Do I have to re-create the whole path then?23:23
sp3000all my debian packages are just variations on someone's previous work, so I'm not exactly an expert in setting those up :)23:23
* sp3000 flails helplessly toward and
konttoriLike, ATM I have an install folder, which contains the stuff you see there, and I just dpkg -b install something.deb23:24
Tak|workdh_make is your friend23:25
konttoridoes that work on osx?23:26
timelessas longas you use parallels :)23:26
Tak|workI have no idea23:26
timelessotherwise, you're going to have to work w/ me on sb2 porting to unix23:26
Tak|workI would think that if you could get dpkg, you could get dh_make, but whether that's actually true...23:27
timelessyou can get fink23:27
Tak|workdoes vmware player run on osx?23:27
timelesswhich would theoretically give you part of a baseline23:27
timelesstak: virtual pc/parallels/vmware {foo}23:27
sp3000konttori, afaiui you'd want to build the proper dir tree under there. also, you'd need to convince things that the files are owned by root rather than user 501 as now23:28
Tak|workwell, I'm thinking specifically of the maemo-dev ubuntu vmware image23:28
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konttorisp3000: why root and not 501? Sorry for asking such silly questions, but I am linux noob23:29
Tak|workyeah - if I was developing on a mac, I'd be looking hard at vmware + maemo-dev image23:29
timelessi actually started looking into porting sb223:30
sp3000konttori, since the ownership goes to the installed files, 501 means nothing but could mean any random user on the target23:30
timelessit's not impossible, but very painful23:30
sp3000konttori, it would be problematic if a random user owned binaries run by others (not that N800s tend to be very multiuser, but, ..)23:30
konttorisp3000: so, should I just do postinst that fixes that (like it's currently copying stuff to places)23:31
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sp3000konttori, you shouldn't need to move things in postinst23:31
sp3000if you have install/MediaCenter now you should have install/usr/bin/MediaCenter, etc23:32
sp3000or that could just make everything explode spectacularly for all I know, but that sounds plausible23:33
konttorisp3000: yeah, but after I do that, would I still need to modify privileges for those files?23:33
konttoriOr can I do that in the source and dpkg would transfer those privileges?23:33
timelessthe dpkg building thing basically records user numbers23:33
sp3000konttori, debian build foo uses fakeroot to be able to pretend to set root owner while packaging23:34
timelessif you're feeling adventurous, you could hack the resulting file to have different numbers :)23:34
konttorisp3000: so, if I run as sudo, would that do the same?23:35
sp3000I don't know of a convenient way of accomplishing that otherwise ...except, yeah, actually being root, if you're adventurous23:35
timelessi think it's easier to look into the .deb file format23:35
sp3000everything seems to involve adventure now ;)23:35
konttorisp3000: ok. thanks! Next version will have much better packaging, thanks to you!23:36
Tak|workdpkg-buildpackage -rsudo effectively runs `sudo dpkg --build debian/blah blah.deb`23:36
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wontan76_Tak, have you seen hatari emulator?23:38
Tak|workno, I still haven't, I'm sorry23:38
timelessso, i'm still looking for someone who has an idea about what controls locations of things in the menus :)23:38
Tak|workI've been distracted from IT dev for like a month :-(23:38
wontan76_Too bad.  You have a job though, i see23:38
wontan76_have you gotten any sdl demos to work with xsp?23:39
Tak|workfceu and xmame use xsp23:39
wontan76_very good job on those23:39
wontan76_i compiled snes9x and dgen emulators but they crash :)23:39
Tak|worknot me, I just recompiled, changed some keybindings, and slapped on some buttons23:40
Tak|workyeah, every genesis emu I've tried crashes within 1s of runtime23:40
wontan76_yes but they work.  i am very angry at you :)23:40
Tak|work(dgen, generator, gens-linux, I think one other)23:40
wontan76_there may be a pointer alignment issue across those emus23:41
wontan76_i have read of this in another ARM port23:41
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Tak|workwell, at least one of the ones I tried (generator?) has arm-specific code23:41
Tak|workapparently not specific enough ;-)23:41
wontan76_interesting.  crashes right after sega logo, yes?23:42
konttorican someone port picodrive ? It's not linux ready yeat, but should be possible to get running with some work23:42
Tak|workdgen does23:42
Tak|workgenerator crashes immediately on load23:42
Tak|workpicodrive!  that's the other one I tried23:43
wontan76_picodrive looks to be fastest23:43
Tak|workI think I couldn't get it to compile because of build environment differences that I wasn't intrepid enough to surmount23:43
Tak|worka lot of picodrive is in assembly, from what I saw23:43
timelesstak: arm usually = os2005 abi :)23:43
Tak|worksupposedly it runs pretty well on gp2x23:43
Tak|worktimeless: yeah, I was trying to hack some gp2x code into workability23:44
wontan76_picodrive will not be easy23:44
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guerbyetrunko, I've sent my question to maemo-devel :)23:44
wontan76_can't just apt-get it and build picodrive with ./configure && make23:44
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Tak|workI got picodrive to the linking stage, but, like I said, my toolchain is substantially different than the one used for the gp2x23:51
sp3000timeless: /etc/xdg/menus/ specifies part23:51
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timelessxdg eh23:52
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LinuxApeanyone using new OS?23:58
Knowledge_is there a way to chagne the MAC addy of the n800? my manager locked me out of the router, I thought it would be funny to change it...23:58
timeless ??23:58
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LinuxApethe newly released os for the n80023:59

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