IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-03-27

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konttoritigert: Once you get it working, let me know what you think of it and what improvements you can pinpoint00:00
konttoritigert: yeah. At least a few mp3:s.00:01
konttoriHow come you don't have music on your device?00:01
konttoriOh, by the way, I got my 770 back I can return yours when I see you again.00:02
tigertkonttori: I have free 3G and last.fm00:02
tigertneed I say more? :)00:02
tigertsure I do have music on the device when I need :)00:02
tigertbut I also have an ipod00:03
konttoriUmm... I suppose not. I suppose you guys working with unlimited 3g kinda get spoiled pretty easily00:03
tigertyou could say that ;D00:03
konttoritigert: that explains it00:03
danielsyeah, turns out it's really, really, really expensive when you're doing it in australia, though00:03
tigertgot someone coughing about the bill?00:03
danielsmy last phone bill was a new record, almost triple what i'd ever managed before00:03
danielstigert: i don't know what scares me more: the amount of the bill, or the fact i only noticed when i looked at our intranet homepage ... no-one's mentioned it at all.00:04
tigertdaniels: hey, on your phone, "My Own" > "Log" -> Packet data00:04
tigerthow much received and sent?00:04
tigertits a 30 day log00:04
konttoriI had once 600 euro gprs bill. Fortunately my employer paid it. But anyway. Horrible price for a few hours of gprs usage at the summer house00:04
tigertkonttori: yeah00:04
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danielstigert: don't have it in the log? only the calls00:04
tigertI requested flatrate for my phone00:04
tigertdaniels: quit it first00:05
danielskonttori: i did well over that00:05
tigertif you had log running00:05
tigertdaniels: and run the log again00:05
tigertit seems a bit silly app00:05
danielstigert: oh _christ_ that's horrible00:05
konttoridaniels: way to go!00:05
tigertdaniels: the amount or the ui? :)00:05
danielstigert: only 790MB received, but i came back from .au at about the start of feb00:05
tigertdaniels: sent: 584 MB, recvd: 3.97GB00:06
tigertbut I somehow think this is since I got the phone00:07
tigertsince no fricken way it can be 4 gigs in a month00:07
tigertI dont use my device THAT much00:07
konttorilistening to radio? 128 kbps?00:07
tigertyea, but I dont really do it THAT often00:08
tigertbut it pulls kb nicely00:08
danielstigert: it's definitely not for the lifetime of the phone00:08
guerbyhmm, when clicking on the battery in 2007.10 there is a popup with estimated battery life, was this popup there before?00:08
danielstigert: i used to dist-upgrade over it when my dsl was gone for about 3 weeks00:08
tigertguerby: no00:08
danielsguerby: it's always been in itos200700:08
tigertdaniels: :)00:08
tigertguerby: yeah, it wasnt in os200600:08
guerbydaniels, funny I don't remember it00:08
guerbydaniels, BTW, is there a /proc or /sys file somewhere with the current battery reading?00:09
guerbyor a quick C/python hack00:09
konttoritigert: once you get the music on you N800, open the net connection first and then open media player. It'll download (and cache) the artwork for your music.00:09
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konttoriSmooth scrolling needs over 20 albums on the system. Smooth scroll is drag scrolling. It's pretty cool.00:10
Jaffakonttori: can you make the link clickable again, please.00:11
konttoriI just updated it again. Should work now00:11
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* Jaffa retests00:12
konttoridamn, updating a blog apparently looses  comments for that post in blogger.00:13
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maddlerkonttori: open your blog on MaemoPeople then! :D00:14
konttoriJaffa: Oh, please test the new version. I tried to make it work even for people with tiny music librarys.00:14
konttorimaddler: how do I do that?00:14
tigerthm, it crashes00:14
tigertwhhats the executable name?00:14
konttoriMight do it if it's easy00:14
konttoripython /usr/bin/MediaCenter00:14
maddlerkonttori: simply write me ( a mail...00:14
maddlerand I'll be happy to create your blog on MP :D00:15
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konttoritigert: Might be related to python 2.5 I really need to test that. It's a shame you can only have python 2.4 OR 2.500:15
Jaffakonttori: album display screen looks a lot better; font size shrinks in CD listing when an item is selected; no pause/play/next/prev controls anymore; like the default fullscreen; escape should do something; volume nice and loud.00:15
* Jaffa has 2.5 and didn't notice any problems (apart from the one you've noticed)00:16
maddlerbtw... leaving now...00:16
konttoriJaffa: oh. then it must be something else00:16
konttoriI dropped the play next previous buttons because I thought they only mess the UI.00:16
tigert  File "/usr/bin/MediaCenter", line 826, in getAlbumCovers00:16
tigert    if (not(found)):00:16
tigertUnboundLocalError: local variable 'found' referenced before assi gnment00:16
konttoriThe rocker left, right do the prev next and middle button works play / pause00:17
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Jaffakonttori: maybe, but then what's the obvious way to stop the loud music waking up Jaffa Jr... ah.00:17
* Jaffa beds00:17
konttoritigert: thanks. I've now fixed that.00:18
unique311just install the mediacenter...looks reall good konttori00:18
konttoriI'll make installer, upload that.00:18
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unique311crashed on me....00:18
unique311crashes when i touch the screen with the stylus00:19
tigertkonttori: cool00:20
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konttoriUpdated blog00:22
unique311your mediacenter starts, and goes thru my tracks, and then crashes..00:22
tigertnow it crashed when I switched track with "right" rocker key00:23
tigertbut it ran!00:23
tigertand showed some album art00:23
unique311do i need python 2.4 or 2.5?00:23
konttoriHmm.. Did you first select an album.00:24
konttoriunique311: I have tested on 2.4 only. 2.5 *should* work, but might not.00:24
tigertI dont know00:24
tigertI clicked something00:24
tigertand it started playing00:24
tigertpressed zoom keys to lower volume00:25
tigertthen next to change tune00:25
tigertand crash00:25
konttoritigert: zoom keys are not working. I would like to get them to change volume, but I haven't gotten around that yet.00:26
guerbyfirst reboot by removing the battery, I was trying to watch a google video ...00:26
konttoritigert: how much music do you have on the device?00:27
tigert2 cds now00:29
tigertnot much00:29
tigertI have too much oggs on my server :P00:29
konttoriAhh... might be related to that. I'll try to test with just a few albums00:29
tigertI'll sync my U2 over00:30
tigertbut it seems to wrok00:31
tigertdoesnt crash now00:31
tigertbut hey00:31
tigertmake the fonts BIGGER00:31
tigertImagine going jogging00:31
tigertyou poke it with your hamfisted fingers00:31
konttoriumm... which fonts?00:31
tigerteverything is so small :)00:31
tigertthink ipod with 32px fonts00:31
tigertso I can just poke with fingers through the app00:32
konttoriYeah, that's why you have the albums instead of a tiny line. Album selection is easy.00:32
konttoriI agree that the song selection should be as well.00:32
tigertperhaps it would be nice to just display a nicely scrollable grid of album art00:32
konttoriBut I figured that there needs to be some compromise in being able to see the songs.00:32
tigertand click one -> it does some nifty anim to zoom in there00:32
tigertdid you do python before?00:33
tigertie, was it hard to learn the gfx stuff?00:33
SonejSDHC cards is not supported with the current kernel? I need to flash it, or Am i wrong?00:33
danielsguerby: no idea, sorry00:33
konttoripygame is really easy00:33
guerbydaniels, tried the wiki search, nothing found, will ask the list00:34
konttoriBut 800x480 screen updates are quite heavy and it's hard to do smooth scrolling when you have 12 albums on the screen + then emerging 4 albums.00:34
tigertkonttori: yeah00:34
danielsguerby: try just poking into /sys ...00:35
danielsSonej: there is no sdhc support for 2007.10-6 yet00:35
dolfunbloatware is it's own punishment00:35
konttoriI did try 6 albums (like in the iphone - in vertical line). That was smooth.00:35
danielsit's not in the official image, and no-one's made a custom image00:35
konttoriBut then I thought that this is better way to access the music. And went for the 12 + 4 + 4 model instead.00:35
Sonejthnx daniels00:35
konttoriAnd thought that rocker use would rock on the 12 visible albums model.00:36
SonejThinking about what cards to buy00:36
guerbydaniels, I tried but did not find anything00:36
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unique311Konttori should i restart my device after the install?00:39
danielsguerby: okay, it's probably a dbus call to mce, then00:39
danielsor bme00:39
danielsi can never remember how the crazy architecture works00:39
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konttoriunique311: nope00:41
konttoriJust install the latest version. It should work fine after that00:41
guerbydaniels, mce bme whatever :)00:41
konttoriunique311: Is it still crashing on your system?00:41
unique311it crashes on one track i have00:41
unique311going to delete the track and see if thats it00:42
konttoribut others work?00:42
unique311while loading the tracks00:42
unique311it crashes on this ocean's 12 track00:42
konttoriWhat's the title?00:42
unique311tell you in a bit00:42
konttoriCan you see that crash in xterm or where?00:42
unique311yen on a carousel00:43
konttoriMight be the mp3 library problem when loading the ID3 tags00:43
konttoridoes it have a yen sign?00:43
unique31113 yen on a carousel OST00:43
konttoriahh.. Might be just corrupt ID3 tag...... Or just poor coding from me... ;)00:43
konttoriCan you send that file to me in email? urho.konttori@gmail.com00:44
konttoriI can try to debug it a bit.00:44
* konttori must go to be now though00:44
unique311sending now00:45
unique311crashes on another one while loading..lol00:47
unique311guess ill just send you the ones it crash on00:47
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unique311kontorri it works00:52
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mboeshi everyone, does anyone know what it takes to write a new input method for Maemo?01:00
mboesi believe you have to write a new GTK input module01:00
sp3000hrm, these apps don't seem to care for id3v2mux bits from sound-juicer01:00
mboesbut Maemo seems to have its own machinery to handle input as well01:00
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thoughtfix*sigh* I love you all. Just wanted to get that out.01:20
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* thoughtfix feels it01:21
thoughtfixIt is indeed a good time to be an internet tablet owner.01:24
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thoughtfixI scoured all four of Phoenix's closing CompUSA stores looking for good deals on extra N800's to buy and then lend to friends to get them addicted too.01:24
thoughtfixAs a pusher, I am a failure ;)01:24
sp3000hmm, apparently pretty much none of my files carry id3v101:26
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unique311a pusher01:27
thoughtfix"The first sample is free"01:27
sp3000that kinda sucks considering the mediaplayer nor mediacenter don't seem to care for other taggery afaict01:27
unique311you're the owner of the site?01:27
KnowledgeI just read something about "network problems" comming up when trying to access websites, and it being a big issue?...what's the deal with that?01:28
unique311I got my n800 at JnR in nueva york for 380..01:29
unique311including the tax01:29
unique311that was  a deal01:29
thoughtfixThat deal was the best I've seen so far.01:29
* daniels still can't get his head around tax-exclusive prices.01:29
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|tbb|_is it possible to replace built in email client with claws mail?01:29
thoughtfixBut I just dropped my discretionary income on rebuilding my Windows Media Center box to a Core2 Duo... So extra internet tablets for "guest reviews" will have to wait until the budget catches up01:30
danielssurely advertising what you actually need to pay is more useful, which is why compulsory tipping seems stupid as well01:30
thoughtfixdaniels: I think it's that way so people can maintain price-match policies. Taxes on certain items can change from one city to another.01:31
Knowledgethoughtfix: could I ask your opinion on something?01:31
thoughtfixKnowledge: Coffee is good.01:31
danielsthoughtfix: you say that like it's sensible ...01:31
Knowledgegreat, that's what I wanted to know...01:31
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thoughtfixOh wait - you wanted something specific?01:31
Knowledgehaha, what's a good car mount for the 800?01:31
thoughtfixdaniels: I am not saying it's right. ;)01:32
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bill20r3can anyone reccomend a good usb keyboard, hopefully for <$100 or so?01:32
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thoughtfixKnowledge: The one I use is a hybrid between a Proclip USA vent mount and a standard PDA mount. I just screwed them together and it holds fine. I am waiting on the Navicore kit to see what's included there.01:32
KnowledgeI see.01:32
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thoughtfixThe PDA side of the mount I use came from buygpsnow.com01:33
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Knowledgekonttori: that media player that you created, could I dump my itunes library onto my SD and expect the app to load it?...01:34
konttoriUmm... depends on the size.01:34
Knowledgethoughtfix: gotcha, yeah, it looked cool when I seen it in your blog, I couldn't find it on their site though01:35
Knowledgekonttori: in what way?01:35
konttoriat least up to 200 albums should work fine01:35
konttoriI haven't tested myself with more than 140 albums01:35
thoughtfixkonttori: I look forward to testing that thing later this evening.01:35
thoughtfixFirst I am driving out to take my parents to dinner.01:36
konttoriApparently songs with % sign seem to kill the player. I'll fix that tomorrow.01:36
thoughtfixkonttori: Do you want me to wait before I do my standard write-up, screenshots, and video?01:37
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konttoriWell, By all means, you can do it now, if it's working. I released the preview version to get people to tell me of any bugs in it. It's hard to find all sorts of mp3 tag errors without having people to test it.01:38
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konttoriSo, consider that if you do have such problems, I'm working on them now to get them sorted out as soon as possible.01:39
thoughtfixI'll play with it, but likely won't have time to compose a video until this weekend01:39
konttoriIt's kind of hard to decide what is the correct time to lauch. I decided to go at the time it seems to be working for me.01:40
konttoriI'll probablyhave most of the critical bugs sorted out by the weekend. ... fingers crossed ;)01:40
thoughtfixI believe in you :D01:41
thoughtfixI wish I could code. Never got the hang of it01:41
konttoricoding is not hard. Like putting lego bricks on top of each other. Big buildings just take time and lot of testing which brick fits where.01:42
thoughtfixBut from my perspective, all the bricks look the same to me. ;) No... I'm content with giving you the massive Lego Mindstorms kit and then just admiring and sharing the knowledge of what you build.01:43
tigertand some experience helps in making a sensible house01:45
tigertbut yea. the stuff is not impossible to learn01:45
thoughtfixHouse? Anyone can make a little "Hello World" house! I want SPACE SATELLITE with an ION CANNON that can vaporize people from orbit!01:46
thoughtfixer... sorry. Too much coffee01:46
tigertkonttori, release early, release often is good. then once its mature, put it to appcatalog.01:46
kkitokonttori, how are you getting the id3tag ?01:46
tigertbut sleep. i need to finish some widget spec writing stuff tomorrow. :P01:47
konttoriI use ID3 lib for idv1 tags and id3reader for the idv2,3 tags01:47
konttoritigert: I think thats a good dogma01:48
kkitodid you try to use the builtin gstreamer component?01:48
konttorias long as people bear to test it.01:48
konttorikkito: yeah01:48
tigertit is. you found many bugs in a hour :)01:48
konttoriThat way it uses dsp and thus doesn't consume battery01:48
kkitokonttori, yes, but for get the id3tag01:49
konttorijku_: cool!01:49
kkitoit has a builtin gstreamer component to get the id3tag01:49
konttorikkito: id3reader and libs01:50
konttorikkito: oh, you meant gstreamer for the id3 tags. Hmm.. didn't think of that, but ... nope, no I didn't01:51
konttoriI used two gpl libs01:51
konttoriNeither is perfect, but together they produce ok result01:51
kkitothe component name is id3lib01:52
konttorikkito: which component?01:52
konttoriahh... ok. if I find out problems with id3 tag reading on the current settings, I'll add that to the mix.01:54
unique311strange....just crashed its not starting at all after reboot01:55
thoughtfixWe should just send you all of our MP3s, konttori ;)01:56
konttoriIt would be fun.01:57
konttoriunique311: can you try opening from xterm?01:57
konttoripython /usr/bin/MediaCenter01:57
unique311too late..i took the long way out..uninstall/reinstall01:58
unique311i guess short way01:58
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disqkonttori: hey :) getting a "permission denied" in songprocessor.getMusicFiles() aborts the app02:06
disqhappens when you have a ext2 partition mounted /media/mmc1 :p02:06
konttoridisq: oh... Hmm... I suppose I'll have to add some sort of try catch loop for that.02:07
konttoriHow can I replicate it?02:07
konttorion a mac02:07
konttorior on N800 / 77002:07
disqhmmm. make a dir with 600 or 700 permissions (rw------- or rwx------) in /media/mmc102:08
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konttoriok. will test02:08
disqerm, it should also be owned by root :)02:09
konttoridisq: got it . I'll probably be able to fix that soon enough02:10
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disqi disabled songprocessing for /media/mmc1 for now, i don't have music there anyways02:11
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konttoridisq: cool02:15
konttoriAnd I'm trying to find sytax for permission denied catch02:16
disqno idea, i have really little python experience02:17
konttoriok. got it02:17
konttorifixed it as well.02:17
konttoriI'll upload a new version in a sec if you can try it.02:17
disqmm got a interesting error and it exited02:17
guyvdbthe soc deadline was extended, again02:17
guyvdbjust so you know02:18
unique311konttori check this out...the error from terminal..
konttoriunique311: thanks. Should be fixed in the next version02:19
unique311the underscore i'm guessing is the issue...02:20
unique311and all caps02:20
disqgot this too: (i spammed this via privmsg though :p )02:21
konttoriIt was probably the / sign02:21
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konttorinew release:
konttoriShould fix most of the errors mentioned above.02:24
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konttoriblog updated:
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thoughtfixAck ... forgive me for disappearing for a while02:27
thoughtfixThey actually had me doing WORK ... at work02:28
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konttoriunique311: Sounds very odd.. WHat did you do when that happened?02:29
unique311when it crashed the first time...02:29
unique311i ran it again from terminal..02:29
disqI updated but it still gave me permission denied on mmc102:29
unique311nothing happen...ctrl c and i got that message02:29
disqi think i updated at least. filesize is 37646 bytes02:29
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konttoriunique311: Did you get a black screen?02:30
unique311it just hanged on the terminal02:30
unique311did ctrl c and it gave the message02:31
konttoriThat message was just telling that there was a keyboard interrupt.02:32
konttoriSo, that was probably the ctrl c02:32
konttoriHow much music do you have on your device?02:32
konttoriDo you have both MMC slots in use?02:32
unique311not much...around 600MB02:32
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unique311have a 2GB card02:32
konttorijust one?02:32
konttorido you have net connection open?02:33
konttoridisq: did it open the player even if it was giving permission denied?02:33
unique311i have 2 2GB stick02:33
unique311net is up02:34
konttoriAt least my system opens, it just gives the permission denied in the console02:34
disqkonttori: yes. i got to the scanning mmc1 & mmc2 screen, then it quits with errno 13 permission denied02:34
konttoriOdd... Has it created a covers directory on your removable mmc?02:34
konttoriunique311: does that contain any covers?02:35
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konttoridisq: sorry to ask again. last time:
konttoriI hope it fixes the prob.02:39
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disqhang on :)02:43
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unique311its a long one02:46
konttoriunique311: So, is it working now?02:46
unique311well i didn't try 6 yet02:47
* sp3000 isn't getting a cover02:47
unique311that last pastebin is from 502:47
konttoriI messed it up really well..02:47
konttorijust a sec...02:47
konttorinew version coming in a sec02:47
disqkonttori: same error (filesize is 37713 bytes so it's updated)02:47
disqpasting complete traceback to pastebin02:47
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konttoridisq: I'm adding catch loops everywhere ;)02:54
* sp3000 still didn't get a cover02:55
konttorisp3000: can you have a look in xterm on what seems to be the problem?02:56
konttorisp3000: what album is the problem?02:56
konttoriso, it should be able to get that02:57
sp3000konttori: output from v6:
konttorisp3000: upgrade to version 7 or 802:59
sp3000disq: ^5 for sequential pastebin #s ;)02:59
konttoriThat should do it02:59
sp3000konttori: 7 was less verbose but I didn't see a cover02:59
konttorisp3000: So, you just got the unknown image.03:00
konttoriWas it only for that cd or for all cds?03:01
sp3000v8 works03:01
konttoricool. Thanks for testing.03:01
disqkonttori: you should skip the dir once you get an exception accessing it03:02
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konttoriI added a tweak for the moment. I'll try to fix that better in the future.03:04
konttoriThat should do it.03:05
konttoriIf you look at the source, you might have a laugh.03:06
konttoriSo, that's not a general solution, but should help in your case. I'll try to get some test cases on my device and then fix it for good03:06
disqokay it works for now :) thanks03:07
konttoriIt's 3 AM and I have to work tomorrow, so I'll head to bed. Thanks very much for helping me debug that thing. It has been great!03:08
disqyeah, thanks for the app, looks good03:09
konttoriIf you have any suggestions, let me know!03:10
disqof course :)03:10
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unique311finally the applications link is working on maemo.org06:49
unique311life is good again06:50
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Knowledge_konttori isn't here huh?...hmm, anyone else try his media player?07:26
Knowledge_ok...well if someone would like to let him crashes when loading 183/184 albums...I hand picked a massive amount of stuff from my itunes library07:28
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Knowledge_good night everyone07:28
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mikemorrisonthere is something very odd happening with my n800. i turn it off and plug it in to charge then a few minutes later it turns itself on!07:58
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febbmikemorrison,  you just upgraded to the latest firmware, right?08:42
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JaffaMorning, all10:14
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mk8Hi to all ...10:34
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maddlermorning all...11:05
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AD-N770good morning11:29
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konttoriNot much going on today I see12:30
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robsterwhere is the user configured timezone stored under maemo, /etc/timezone just contains "Europe/Helsinki"12:32
danielsit's trying to give you a hint12:34
robsterdaniels: :-P12:34
sbaturzioAtWorkI got the strange feeling that N800, connected in "adhoc", drain the battery much faster than a "managed" connection12:34
sbaturzioAtWorkis there someone else with the same feelings?12:35
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floriansbaturzioAtWork: I can confirm this, but that's a problem of the requirements of adhoc networks.12:38
florianhi mallum12:38
mallumhey florian12:38
sbaturzioAtWorkflorian: this means that an adhoc network need more "traffic" to work properly?12:40
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sp3000konttori: bugping12:42
sp3000konttori: the fetching covers thing seems to run through 0..4 / 5 for me12:42
konttorisp3000: I'm at work, so can't bug fix, but I'm willing to listen12:42
konttoriWhat do you mean run through?12:43
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floriansbaturzioAtWork: yes, the card need to send beacons frequently - in a managed network the accesspoint does that.12:43
danielsmallum: hey dude.  sorry about punting the bug, but you're our resident window manager. ;)12:44
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sp3000konttori: the numbers it shows when getting covers12:44
sbaturzioAtWorkflorian: I see, thank you.12:44
konttoriOh. True! I'll fix that when I get back home12:44
konttoriIt's always one less. Probably I just use the array counter which begins from 0.12:45
konttoriI'll just add it to be i+1 or something. Thanks for the bug!12:45
mallumdaniels: np :)12:45
X-FadeHmm a thumb_scrollbar. Nice :)12:54
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inzrobster, what does ls -l /etc/zoneinfo say?13:36
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kkitohello :)13:48
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[AD]Turbohi all16:16
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sbaturzioAtWork[AD]Turbo: Ciao16:23
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konttoriIs there some kind of radio silence in place today as no-one is talking here?17:40
mgedminah, peace and quiet17:45
konttoriYeah. Server must be purring.17:45
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zuh<sarcasm> everybody is just tapping their fingers to the table while waiting for kernel sources to get SDHC cards oprational again</sarcasm>17:54
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konttorizuh. Might actually be the case for pretty many people. Meh. I just wonder why Nokia doesn't include SDHC as standard. Is there a license fee for supporting that?17:57
mgedminI think it's a question of missing code17:59
mgedminalthough now that the patch exists I wonder why it wasn't included in the last update17:59
mgedminmaybe lack of testing?17:59
zuhProbably just too much of a leap-of-faith to trust a relatively untested patches from 3rd party17:59
zuhor rather include 3rd party code in kernel I mean18:00
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zuhif were a userland app, who cares, but for the kernel...18:00
mgedmingetting that patch into linus' kernel would help18:00
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KnowledgeI got a quick question, my background disappears along with the top toolbar when certain programs are launched...anyone know why that might be? (booting from MMC)18:06
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Takwhat programs?18:09
bill20r3they're not just launching full-screen, right?18:10
kulvezuh: yeah. Nokia absorbs all patches easily from 3rd party to user space apps ;)18:12
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KnowledgeTak: actually I've only seen it happen with konttori's Media Center18:14
zuhkulve: I was mostly referencing accepted code quality (think email here) :P18:15
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Knowledgebut then again, I done a boot from MMC, updated the firmware, and did the boot from MMC again without formatting the card, I think that might have something to do with it.18:15
mgedminfaiu when you choose a background image, the software creates a new one with the toolbar composed in the png18:20
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nomisTak: Hmm?18:24
Takresponse to python gtk wrapper thread18:24
nomisTak: ah.  ;)18:24
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jkuwhat was the url again, konttori? I might take it for a spin18:44
Knowledgekonttori: did you check out my post?18:44
konttoriYou need to have python installed18:44
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konttoriYeah, I noticed it.18:45
konttoriDo you know which file it was?18:45
Knowledgeoh, you mean where it says "problem opening file"?18:45
Knowledgecause I'm at work right now, but Im' messing with it to help you out18:46
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Knowledgethere are a few that it says "problem opening file" for...18:46
konttoriKnowledge: Ok, I spotted the place.18:46
Knowledgeabout 4-518:46
KnowledgeI wish I brought my headphones...damn it18:47
konttoriSeems like it has trouble with a specific file. Something that has something odd in the album name. Perhaps it's empty or contains a space.18:47
konttoriRing any bells?18:48
Knowledgeone contains a ~18:48 wait, 2 of them contain a & sign18:49
Knowledgebootsie collins has a space at the end...18:49
Knowledgebut those are the artist name, not album18:50
jkukonttori, pygame seems to be a dependency also18:51
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konttorijku: indeed. But it is bundled with python installs18:52
jkunot mine (python2.5, can't remember where from)18:52
konttoriI don't even mention python at the moment in the debian.18:53
konttorijku: ahh... damn. The one in the should contain pygame18:54
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Knowledgekonttori: so it's nothing on my end?19:06
bill20r3is there a way to get smooth youtube playback?19:06
bill20r3mine chunks pretty hard, a N800.19:07
mgedminaudio stuttering is the most irritating part of it19:10
konttoriKnowledge: Well, some album name could be causing the problem. I'm in the process of maybe fixing your problem, but getting to know the exact problem would help19:10
konttorisetting to low quality might help19:10
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bill20r3I'll try low quality and see if that helps.19:12
bill20r3will mplayer play the flash video?19:12
bill20r3also, anyone know if I can get rid of the boot-time graphics, so I can watch the console messages? (assuming it actually prints them to the screen..)19:16
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Knowledgekonttori: I will try to remove them, I'll see that happens then.19:25
konttoriif you can pinpoint one file, send that to me and I can debug it19:25
Knowledgekonttori: xterm shows that 2 of the ones that it can't open have & signs in them, and one has a space before the .jpg19:26
konttoriahh... cool. I'll try to add & removal ti file processing19:26
KnowledgeI don't know if for sure the & sign is the problem, I'm going to load it back up right now, how can I send the output to a text file?19:27
Knowledgeman this background disappearing shit is annoying...19:29
Knowledgeanyone know how to send the output from xterm to a file?19:31
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konttoriKnowledge. Can you just use copy / paste?19:34
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dragornKnowledge: ought to just be redirect19:34
Knowledgethe whole output? or just the last few lines?19:34
dragornfoo &> log.txt19:34
dragornnotice the lack of a space in & and >, if you put a space in there it won't do what you expect19:34
dragorn&> ought to redirect all output streams (stdout and stderr)19:35
danielsbill20r3: youtube doesn't do any hardware acceleration of video, so there's no real way to speed it up, and the console doesn't go to the framebuffer at all19:36
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bill20r3where does the console go?19:36
bill20r3I just want to see the boot-time output19:36
danielsbill20r3: nowhere accessible19:36
danielsbill20r3: you can use dmesg after the fact19:37
bill20r3the init scripts I saw seemed to suggest that it'd go to the serial port, if it's there.19:37
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danielsbut that's only really useful if it's not booting: dmesg will show you the whole log once you've booted19:38
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dragornthere is a serial port, you just have to build a connector to tap it.  I forget where the directions are, the port is in the battery compartment19:38
bill20r3yeah, I saw.19:39
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mk8Bye to all ...see you later ..20:05
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zuh..on desktop?-)20:10
Knowledgekonttori: I believe it's because they're under "unknown albums"20:10
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kkitojobi, n800 has the composite extension enabled?20:11
jobikkito: nope, need to recompile the x server20:11
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jobizuh: on N80020:11
jobiit's a bit slow when you move them :)20:12
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jobibut not as slow as i was expecting20:12
jobibtw zuh i was expecting you at the bossa conference :)20:16
Molagishame theres no timer on the camera application20:17
Molagiit would be nice20:17
Molagireally hard to take a picture when you need to click the icon20:17
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bill20r3or at least a cli capture tool20:20
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hsHello, I've noticed that alarm on n770 rings through internal speaker even when external speakers are connected, is there a way to direct sound to external ones?20:42
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etrunkohey jobi,21:01
etrunkohow was the trip?21:01
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jobietrunko: long but ok21:08
jobietrunko: a bit depressing being back in HEL after seeing in paradise21:09
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etrunkojobi: is it still cold there?21:14
jobietrunko: the week end i came back we got a snow storm21:14
jobinow it's getting better and warmer21:14
etrunkogood to hear it21:14
etrunkojobi: so, did you enjoyed the conference (not taking into account the place)??21:17
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konttoriKnowledge: Thanks for the output. I'll watch an episode of a series and then repackage the current code for you.21:19
tkoI heard it was fun to be from nokia in the conference :)21:19
etrunkotko: really? how was that?21:19
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tkoI'll let jobi elaborate :)21:20
jobietrunko: you know, being from the same company as OpenC  ;)21:20
etrunkoah ok21:21
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etrunkoat least there was a nice "developer" gift21:23
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shackanWTF? the battery is litterally stuck!21:27
bergiewhat's the deal with that Rhapsody app? the install file provided on Tableteer doesn't work21:27
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shackanlast time I popped it off to read the product code it came out just fine!21:29
bergieah, and seems Rhapsody only works in the US21:29
tkoshackan, it's all in the wrist :)21:30
shackantko, seriously, it's like the plastic casing has expanded somehow21:30
tkowith little practice tapping the device on your palm drops the battery in your hand21:31
shackantko, I'm worrying about battery heating or something21:31
hsfolks, how do I play an mp3 from the command line on the n770? Do I have to use osso-music-player via dbus?21:31
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Piohs, mplayer can do it21:33
hsvery nice! I didn't know it was ported. thanks21:35
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shackanholy fuck21:37
MDKshackan: I had same problem21:44
MDKmy batter is a bit 'blown-up'21:44
MDKI must say I got a bit scared and replaced it21:44
Takah, I thought the casing was just tighter on the n80021:46
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MDKin my case, part of the plastic on the other side of the connectors partly broke21:47
MDKas a result of expanding I guess21:47
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shackanMDK, seriously !?21:50
shackanMDK, I don't have a replacement tough :\21:51
MDKwell, I was showing it to tigert just today21:51
MDKbut I'm talking about REALLY small change21:51
MDKyet noticable21:51
MDKmind also, that I'm not sure where my battery comes from21:51
MDKit's prolly one of the testing batteries, not production-ready21:52
shackanmine has the "nokia certified" ologram (it's the one which came with the tablet)21:52
Knowledgekonttori: I'm glad I could help...I got it up and running, good work man...good work21:53
Knowledgeit reminds me of the UI for the JBs my company makes...21:53
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shackanMDK, also, last week I had it charging for more than 24hrs, after that the screen was still on "charging..." !21:54
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MDKX-Fade: you noticed ;)21:57
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X-FadeWhat have I done?21:57
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MDKX-Fade: the thumb scrollbar21:58
X-FadeCIA baby ;)21:58
X-FadeAnd I saw the template commit for it yesterday..21:59
MDKgood that somebody cares ;)21:59
X-FadeIt most of the time are simple things that make life easier.21:59
zuhjobi: I was expecting myself at bossa too, but things got in the way... and Composite on N800 is something I've been planning to hack with too. I once tried it (with xcompmgr) and have been planning a Thing to utilize it ;)21:59
X-FadeThe lock device, instant display off is also something like that. New in the new image, I like it :)22:00
zuhWhat's this thumb scrollbar you keep talking about?22:00
X-Fadezuh: When you scroll with your thumb. The scrollbar gets 1cm wide ;)22:01
X-FadeWell, it sardine at least..22:01
zuh"when" as in decided on the pressure data?22:02
X-Fadezuh: I guess like the menus etc..22:02
X-FadeAnd the fullscreen keyboard.22:02
hsis there a way to schedule tasks? (even without necessarily triggering a device wakeup). I can't see atd...22:03
bergieok, app manager didn't "see" rhapsody package, but found it with direct URL...
MDKbergie: does it work?22:03
zuhHmm, that sounds like it would have an ill effect on wrapping widgets if the horizontal space jumps around... Any screenshots/casts?22:03
MDKX-Fade/zuh: currently the scrollbar doesn't grow22:04
MDKit's just that you can make the big scrollbar in places where you think it makes sense22:04
MDKin places where you have thumbable content22:05
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zuhIn my book that's everywhere ;)22:05
zuhI take out the stylus only when I _really_ can't poke the thing with my fingers22:06
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bergieMDK: yeah, seems to actually work quite OK22:06
zuhUnfortunately that's pretty often, specially with the browser22:06
bergiethe UI is a bit weird, but I can live with it22:06
MDKzuh: in some places the content can be scrolled by dragging22:07
MDKie. browser or chat apps22:07
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MDKspecial, tiny, 'indicator-only' scrollbar would make sense there22:08
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MDKbergie: can you use it being in .fi?22:13
MDKor is us-only?22:13
MDKBTW, I think there is something broken with tableteer repos/install files22:14
MDKI tried installing gmail notifier the other day and it failed too (not found)22:14
maddlerkonttori: here mediacenter dies afther showing the "searching MMC1 and MMC2"22:15
konttoriLatest version should improve reading of some id3 tags and speeds up song list display a bid and fixes some gfx glitches22:15
ptmanhow are people able to update software in the application catalog? I can't even log in22:15
konttorimaddler: did previous versions die as well?22:15
konttorican you xterm what went wrong? Do you have write access to mmcs?22:16
konttoriNext version should only need read access22:17
maddlerdunno I have 1.0.4 installed...22:17
maddlerdidn't tried prev releases...22:17
konttori1.0.11 is the latest one.22:17
konttoriCan you try that one. Should have tons of bug fixes since 1.0.422:17
zuhhaha, I guess it make sense but I wasn't expecting to see hildon-desktop show entries in it's menu on my gentoo22:17
maddlerok... downloading now...22:18
maddlergimme a couple seconds...22:18
* zuh directs applauds on development in the compilable-with-vanilla-gtk department to responsibles22:20
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zuhAll I needed to do was #ifdef out some input mode stuff, one tap-and-hold and few logical color lookups22:21
zuhAnd I got hildon-desktop runnable on my desktop22:21
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jobizuh: actually it should22:22
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jobiat least it kinda works on ubuntu22:22
jobii hacked the Category stuff in libhildonmenu22:23
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zuhPretty cool stuff this22:24
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* zuh goes to bed to sleep off the DST hangover and to make 3v1l plans of hackery ;)22:26
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konttorimaddler: did you have better luck with the -11 version?22:27
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maddlerkonttori: back... no...22:31
maddlercrashes right after startup...22:31
maddleranything I can do to give you more informations?22:31
tchanIs there a definitive answer for whether or not usb host mode hacks will (ever) work on the N800, like they do on the 770 ?22:31
maddlerbrb... need to switch to wifi...22:32
guerbyI moded up nokia 800 comments, one is at 4 points :)22:33
guerby" How Small a PC Is Too Small?"22:33
MDKbergie: get a jaiku account! It's way better than twitter22:33
MDKand it's finnish22:33
bergieMDK: I'll consider :-)22:33
bergiehowever, Jaiku isn't yet integrated with Midgard22:33
MDKit has a pretty good s60 client22:34
MDKcan show you who's near you using bluetooth22:34
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maddlerkonttori: so... anything I can do to debug?22:37
maddlerMDK: which client?22:37
MDKmaddler: s60 client for jaiku.com22:38
MDKs60 = series 60 = the OS nokia nseries phones run22:38
ajturner|workMDK - it's not hard to be better than twitter, you're lucky if it's up half the time ;)22:38
maddleroh... ok...22:38
maddlercould give it a try on my E6122:39
MDKhaving maemo client would, of course, be way cooler22:39
MDKajturner|work: ;) Well, good thing is you can stream-in other rss feeds22:39
ajturner|workto what end?22:39
MDKit recognizes lastfm, flickr, delicious, plazes and all crap22:39
ajturner|workwhy would I want to bring in RSS feeds to my status?22:39
MDKnot to your status22:40
MDKit's a bit like mugshot22:40
MDKyou can see what your friends are doing22:40
bergieMDK: sounds like fun22:40
MDKwhat photos they're posting, where are they, what music they listen too22:40
ajturner|workMDK - so you bring in RSS feeds of other users systems?22:40
MDKno, you bring in all your feeds22:41
ajturner|workbut how is that diff't from an RSS reader?22:41
MDKand others, following you, see the stuff you do22:41
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MDK1) it displays it in a failry nice way. Ie. it'll 'stack' multiple songs together, multiple photos22:42
MDK2) you just need to follow one thing22:42
MDKie, when I want to follow bergie, I just add him22:42
MDKI don't need to care about his blog, his account, his account on flickr and all the crap22:42
ajturner|workhow do you add him?22:43
MDKbut I'd say that the nice & usable UI is the selling point22:43
MDKfor me22:43
ajturner|workyou mean, in my own Jaiku acct - I personally pull in all my own feeds22:43
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MDKthe ones you want22:43
ajturner|workthen, if I give out my username to someone, and they add me, they have all those N feeds22:43
ajturner|workso it's a collected aggregator (or something)22:43
ajturner|workwhat would be cool is to tie that to my open.id22:44
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ajturner|workalmost like, oh, I don't know, a connected web ;)22:44
MDKa bit like that. With twittering features & commenting on all items22:44
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ajturner|workwell, it's like they built a tumblog into a rss agg22:46
konttorimaddler: Just wondering if this version works for you without problems22:46
MDKajturner|work: ie. check
maddlerkonttori: no... it isn't :)22:48
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konttorimaddler: can you open xterm and run: python /usr/bin/MediaCenter and see what gives22:49
konttoriPython should tell you pretty well what crashed22:50
maddlerdoh... OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/media/mmc2/lost+found'22:51
ajturner|workMDK - there ya go:
konttoriHmm... I really need to check on how I can add access level checks there.22:54
ajturner|workhrm, what about N800 integration with streaming from SlimServer? :)22:55
maddlerkonttori: and also... is there a way to only check specific path?22:57
maddlerI mean... I only need to access /media/mmc2/multimedia22:57
maddlerno need to scan the whole stuff...22:58
Takinteresting @ rhapsody review22:58
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maddlerflorian: evening...23:08
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florianhi maddler23:09
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konttorimaddler: Not at the moment. It does skip hidden folders and folders titled 'debian'.23:14
konttoriAnyway, at least I haven't seen any problems in the scanning process. Most of the time is spent generating the album covers and retrieving the album images.23:15
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maddlerkonttori: I could rename lost+found to debian... :D23:17
konttorimaddler: yeah. that should do it for now.23:17
Takwouldn't that do bad things to the fs?23:17
konttoriBut how come there is a permission error? Have you set special permissions for it?23:17
maddlerhehehe... I'm trying simply deleting it...23:17
maddlerit's 700 root.root23:18
konttorihmm.. 700 ... ok.23:19
maddlerhmmm... ok... and... I have a link to / in ~/MyDocs which causes another crash... :)23:19
maddlerbut.. I admit this could be my fault :D23:20
maddlerOSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/media/mmc2/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Int23:20
konttorimaddler: I was finally able to setup a test case of the permission denied stuff for myself. I'll have a fix ready soon.... I hope23:21
maddlerkonttori: hehe... no problem... :)23:22
maddlerfeel free to drop me a line...23:22
maddlerif you need a betatester... :)23:22
maddlerbergie: just finished reading your review of Rhapsody...23:22
maddlerbtw... ever tried MagnaTune23:22
maddlernice independent music "store"23:23
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shackanduh, almost four hours to download the IT OS 2007 update23:23
maddlerno DRM... and you can listen to the whole album before you buy... and you decide the price...23:24
shackanhi maddler!23:24
maddlershackan: it only took 5 minutes here :D23:24
maddlershackan: ciao paisa`! :D23:24
shackanmaddler, eh23:24
shackanmaddy, you're a soc mentor , by any chance?23:24
shackanmaddler, qgil asked me to find someone to mentorize me, do you have any idea whom can I poke ?23:25
maddlerbeside I had to think before answering... soc="Security Operation Center"23:26
maddlerI would be happy to be your mentor... :)23:26
shackanmaddler, go figure, I always think SoC = "system on chip"23:26
shackanoh, GREAT23:26
maddlershackan: hahaha...23:26
maddleryou know... being a security consultant...23:27
shackanbtw, did you read my crackpot idea?23:27
maddlerok... give me some 15 minutes to fix something...23:27
maddlershackan: no... where was it?23:27
maddlerok... brb...23:27
shackanon the section reserved to mentors, I guess23:28
maddlerhehehe... of course... :D23:28
maddlerdisconnected brain! :D23:28
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bergiemaddler: good point, linked my post to
konttorimaddler: I sorted it out finally. I will make a release in a sec.23:32
MDKbergie: about rapshody... let's hope will have the player after the summer/soc23:34
konttoriCan you try that one out. It should handle the OSExceptions now properly.23:35
bergieMDK: I saw a proposal for that23:36
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konttorimaddler: let me know how it goes, will you?23:37
maddlershackan: finished reading right now... I'm going to "willing to mentor" :)23:39
maddlerbergie: nice...23:40
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shackanmaddler, awesome23:40
maddlerkonttori: just give the time to DL and install...23:40
maddlershackan: :D23:40
maddlerbeing italian can help both of us :D23:41
shackanbtw, how do you like it?23:42
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maddleryep... sounds nice...23:44
maddlereven more if it can work both on Linux and on that other O.S. :)23:44
maddlerand Mac OS X perhaps...23:44
shackansure, that's "reserved for the future" as stated, (and, I don't have a mac :(23:45
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maddlerhmmm... _maybe_ we could find a solution for that as well...23:46
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maddlerkonttori: at least it didn't crashed, yet ;)23:48
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maddlershackan: ok... lemme apply...23:48
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maddlershackan: ok... done...23:52
maddlerqgil: evening...23:52
qgilhi maddler23:52
* shackan waves to qgil 23:52
* qgil comes from reviewing all the SoC proposals23:53
AD-N770_bona nit qgil :)23:53
qgilthere bis a lot of good stuff there23:53
* shackan comes from hunting for SoC mentors23:53
qgilstill don't know if good mentors as well  ;)23:53
maddlerqgil: yep... was giving a look at them...23:53
maddlerqgil: dunno... dunno... we'll see :)23:54
ajturner|workshackan - which project?23:56
shackanajturner|work, are you a mentor?23:58
ajturner|workshackan - yes23:58
maddlerkonttori: ok... it didn't crashed... but... I only have a black screen here! :D23:58
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shackanajturner|work, in that case, any kind of feedback is welcome23:59
ajturner|workreading it now (long ;) )23:59

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