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| chibiAcyd | lol, sketchy theme is cute | 00:07 |
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| sp3000 | keesj: I see it on the second row ...? unless you meant something subtle involving reading dutch ;) | 00:08 |
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| sp3000 | well, ok, it's all eerste kwartaal van 2007 | 00:09 |
| * sp3000 shrugs | 00:09 | |
| uNtouched | hmmm, what file needs to be edited to make the boot menu choose MMC2 right away? and to shorten the time? | 00:10 |
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| acydlord | weird, my latest backup is smaller than the origional backuo | 00:39 |
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| acydlord | maybe cause i delete all the stock photos and such | 00:40 |
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| Sonej | Thinking about order the n800 from buy.com, anyone that have ordered it already? | 00:48 |
| acydlord | i got mine from comp-usa | 00:49 |
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| Sonej | $366 is not bad, in Europe we have to pay €399 | 00:51 |
| acydlord | my friend got one for $315 from compusa that was closing | 00:52 |
| Sonej | Should i invest $50 for warranty? : | 00:52 |
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| acydlord | how much of a warranty? | 00:53 |
| Sonej | http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n800-internet-tablet/q/loc/101/204055141.html | 00:53 |
| Sonej | Extended Warranty tab | 00:54 |
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| acydlord | thats not a bad deal at that price | 01:07 |
| acydlord | i've heard nokia can be difficult and lengthy on repairs | 01:07 |
| Prez_ | what's the name of the free voip app for the n800? i just upgraded the OS and lost the app | 01:08 |
| Sonej | hmm, cant find if they deliver to Sweden. They want me to fill in state | 01:08 |
| acydlord | gizmo project | 01:08 |
| Prez_ | that's it.. | 01:08 |
| daniels | Sonej: bear in mind if you're ordering from the US, they'll make you pay customs on it, which will likely obliterate any price advantage | 01:09 |
| acydlord | i hope skype will suppord video when they release it | 01:09 |
| daniels | Sonej: look for a store in the uk | 01:09 |
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| Sonej | hmm, i see. Or maby i should order it to my sis in San Fran... | 01:09 |
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| Prez_ | any idea on volume of n800s sold? | 01:10 |
| daniels | Sonej: even if she sends it to you, customs will still screw you. you'll have to strip it out of the box, make it look as if it's used, and declare its value as being really low. | 01:11 |
| acydlord | more than 770's im sure lol | 01:11 |
| daniels | Sonej: (i live in finland, customs here are brutal. i got something like €30 duty on a $us70 order of clothes and cds. sigh.) | 01:11 |
| Prez_ | wow | 01:11 |
| Sonej | crapp, i will never get my n800. I wont pay €399 for it | 01:12 |
| Prez_ | customs are nasty here too, I'm in Nicaragua, we get a break on $500 worth of good tax free every 6 months.. | 01:12 |
| daniels | Sonej: try looking in the uk and germany, they're traditionally quite cheap | 01:12 |
| daniels | Prez_: ouch. australia wasn't too bad, every shipment could be $au400 without question, though they later bumped that down to $au250. | 01:12 |
| Sonej | ebay maby? | 01:12 |
| daniels | i also managed to convince a customs official on the phone that a pots -> sip gateway was purely physical, as it was in patch bay form, and involved no electronics, and thus incurred no duty ... | 01:13 |
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| acydlord | lmao | 01:13 |
| Prez_ | ilove my n800 to work my slim server music server over wifi.. now need to find more things to use it on... | 01:16 |
| Sonej | cant find nothing | 01:20 |
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| Prez_ | anyone able to use calendar from evolution in N800? | 01:26 |
| Sonej | Is it easy to change the language on the N800? | 01:27 |
| daniels | Prez_: the dates app (projects.o-hand.com/dates) uses evolution-data-server | 01:27 |
| daniels | Sonej: yes | 01:27 |
| Prez_ | cool, will look at dates | 01:28 |
| Sonej | So i wont be stuck with the lame Swedish menus | 01:28 |
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| * Sonej just ordered | 01:44 | |
| Sonej | $475 :/ | 01:45 |
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| Prez_ | anyone use dates or contacts on n800 and sync with evolution on linux machine? | 05:48 |
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| Markov | is anyone else having trouble connecting n800 via usb?? | 05:52 |
| Markov | it tells me to insert disk into drive H: | 05:53 |
| Markov | wtf? | 05:53 |
| Markov | i update to the latest firmware and stuff stops working. | 05:53 |
| Markov | no wait. it's just not detecting either memory card...? | 05:55 |
| Markov | let | 05:55 |
| Markov | us try rebooting | 05:55 |
| Markov | still not working | 05:58 |
| Markov | canola database refreshed though | 05:58 |
| Markov | huh | 05:58 |
| Markov | i wonder how that happened...? | 05:58 |
| Markov | wow. now i'm getting failing connections while reflashing | 06:04 |
| Markov | <3 | 06:04 |
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| Prez_ | someone got the openedhand repository correctly configured? | 06:17 |
| Prez_ | i cannot seem to get it set up for N800, only get cannot update, etc, from app manager | 06:17 |
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| paul-best | ok possibly silly question, I've noticed that the cheapest bluetooth keyboard I can find is the apple bluetooth keyboard. | 06:55 |
| paul-best | has anybody tried it out with the n800? | 06:55 |
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| tchan | apple bluetooth keyboard is HID compliant and works just fine on the 770. It should work fine on the n800. | 07:03 |
| paul-best | cool, I may pick one of those up if I can't find the folding nokia one at a reasonable price. | 07:06 |
| paul-best | are there any easily stowed, reasonably priced, easy to find bluetooth keyboards that work with the n800 that are worth mentioning? | 07:07 |
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| wasabi | I like the nokia su-8w | 07:10 |
| wasabi | it's the same size as he n770 folded. | 07:10 |
| wasabi | But it's really small, hard to use. | 07:10 |
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| paul-best | Its also expensive, seeing as I could buy a full size keyboard that would work for it for less than half as much, or the nifty laser keyboard thing for about the same price. | 07:14 |
| tchan | checkout stowaway sierra bluetooth keyboard for $79 from amazon.com | 07:14 |
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| paul-best | the least I've been able to find the su-8w for so far is ~$130 | 07:16 |
| paul-best | scratch that, just found it for $112. | 07:20 |
| paul-best | still, cheaper options than that are welcome. | 07:20 |
| tchan | checkout stowaway sierra bluetooth keyboard for $79 from amazon.com, latest/greatest bluetooth keyboard | 07:28 |
| myren_ | yo quiero one handed chording keyboard | 07:29 |
| myren_ | they're not even attempting to make twiddler2 wireless's anymore | 07:30 |
| myren_ | i suppose thats what BT-serial dongles are for. :) | 07:30 |
| myren_ | i'm tempted to just get a frogpad and strap it to my arm | 07:30 |
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| kulve | daniels: where's the source for x? | 09:16 |
| tigert | paul-best: have you also tried to learn the thumb keyboard? | 09:19 |
| tigert | paul-best: being an on-screen keyboard it of course has some drawbacks, but it works well enough for me that I dont really feel like hauling a bluetooth one around | 09:19 |
| paul-best | tigert: I haven't got one yet, but when I do I'll try. | 09:19 |
| tigert | not least because a bluetooth keyboard requires you to sit down to type | 09:20 |
| tigert | the thumb popup keyboard is nice for typing while walking etc | 09:20 |
| paul-best | tigert: you'd be a person to ask this, are there any simple artistic apps for the n800? | 09:20 |
| tigert | sketch :) :P | 09:20 |
| tigert | there was tuxpaint and hmm, | 09:21 |
| paul-best | In particular I'm curious if there is one that can output svg files. | 09:21 |
| paul-best | because if there isn't I might be interested in taking a crack at that. | 09:21 |
| tigert | maemopad+ is a touch-pressure sensitive draw note making app (it also does text nodes) | 09:21 |
| tigert | no vector tools i know of | 09:22 |
| acydlord | tigert, do you have the theme templated hosted? | 09:22 |
| tigert | the theme template is in svn | 09:22 |
| acydlord | ahh, i should be not lazy and check =x | 09:22 |
| tigert | :) | 09:23 |
| acydlord | i found a computer in my closet, gonna use it strictly as a server/dev box | 09:23 |
| tigert | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/hildon-theme-plankton/ | 09:23 |
| tigert | -2 is for 770 (and it is not plankton really) | 09:23 |
| tigert | -3 is N800 template | 09:24 |
| tigert | the trunk plankton is for sardine | 09:24 |
| tigert | sardine being the unstable bleeding edge stuff | 09:25 |
| acydlord | ty :) | 09:25 |
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| dolfun | i'd like to send a few rotten tomatoes to the guy who designed the directional pad and button layout | 09:37 |
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| * dolfun be quiets | 09:38 | |
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| tigert | whats wrong with it? :) | 09:39 |
| tigert | sure, the feel of the dpad could be better | 09:39 |
| dolfun | yes, that is 1, and 2. no simultaneous keypresses and 3 no right hand buttons | 09:41 |
| dolfun | like the original ibm PC, someone said "thou shalt not play games" | 09:42 |
| dolfun | i am going to have to change game dynamics in UQM to make it winnable | 09:44 |
| paul-best | at least for me picking it up later this week, gaming is the last thing on my mind. | 09:44 |
| paul-best | still though, I bet nethack and muds would be doable on it. | 09:45 |
| dolfun | the puzzles and strategy type games are excellent, as is scummvm | 09:45 |
| paul-best | I'm going to have to figure out a way to recover data off of my old sam and max floppies then. | 09:46 |
| paul-best | I haven't even got a floppy drive anymore. | 09:46 |
| dolfun | the internettablettalk.com forums have some pointers to good games | 09:48 |
| dolfun | maybe sam and max is on abandonware sites | 09:48 |
| paul-best | could be | 09:49 |
| paul-best | like I said though, gaming on it hasn't even crossed my mind as I've been checking the n800 out. | 09:50 |
| paul-best | partly because I've got a last-generation gameboy advance. | 09:50 |
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| dolfun | what is your main application going to be? | 09:50 |
| paul-best | portable web browsing is of course the biggest one. | 09:52 |
| plr_ | is scummvm available for n800? | 09:52 |
| dolfun | i feel it's just about perfect for the core functionality | 09:52 |
| dolfun | 770 here | 09:52 |
| dolfun | got to go renovate a house | 09:53 |
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| paul-best | being able to keep a lot of important information on hand in a easy to use format is a secondary concern, | 09:53 |
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| plr_ | where is the n800 directories such as documents and games located in the real file system? | 10:32 |
| Tuomas | ~user/MyDocs/.documents/ | 10:33 |
| plr_ | thanks | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:59 |
| plr_ | morning | 11:02 |
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| obra | I recall someone talking about an osso-xterm variant with a full screen keyboard superimposed over the display about a month back. Am I on crack? | 11:08 |
| ptman | no, I heard it also | 11:09 |
| obra | ...where can I find a copy? ;) | 11:09 |
| dolfun | i remember it, but fail to see how a transparent keyboard would work well | 11:09 |
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| obra | dolfun: I'd like to see. I can imagine it being very useful..but also very easy to do Wrong | 11:10 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:21 |
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| Guard][an | hello | 11:28 |
| dolfun | ah no gamma support ... too bad | 11:29 |
| Guard][an | do you find it logical that i receive an expose event before a map event ? | 11:29 |
| dolfun | don't know enough about X | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, anyone else tried playing with themes on 3.2007? I can update the matchbox theme, but the gtk theme isn't recognising font changes. | 11:34 |
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| tigert | hmm | 11:44 |
| tigert | does plankton work ok? | 11:44 |
| * tigert has to try it later today when he has time | 11:45 | |
| Jaffa | tigert: plankton does (I'm trying to create a 12.75 version of plankton) | 11:45 |
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| tigert | ah | 11:45 |
| * Jaffa can send you his gtkrc changes if you want, my 12.75 version of Adria's not working either (which was definitely working on v2) | 11:46 | |
| tigert | hmm | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | But I wonder if hildon-theme-cacher's done something "weird" | 11:46 |
| tigert | it might | 11:46 |
| tigert | I'll ask mdk, going to lunch with him in a moment anyway | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | cool,t a | 11:46 |
| tigert | this stuff on 3.2007 doesnt use our new theme tool yet | 11:47 |
| tigert | but he might still know | 11:47 |
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| nomis | whoah. I hate this kind of "bug resolution": https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=122 | 12:06 |
| nomis | "Closed by error manager 03-26-2007, No activity on Sputnik+" | 12:06 |
| nomis | W.T.F. | 12:07 |
| dolfun | looks like a fair-to-good resource for obscure video: http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com | 12:07 |
| jku_ | nomis, I noticed that too, an explanation which doesn't really explain anything to an outsider with references to internal release codenames and job descriptions... | 12:10 |
| jku_ | on the other hand "status:WONTFIX" probably tells us everything we need to know | 12:12 |
| kulve | you should state that on the bugzilla. Nokia internal people understands the comment, but, as you said, it's not suitable for public bugzilla | 12:12 |
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| jku_ | I was on N800 while I read it, was too lazy to write that.. but you're right | 12:13 |
| bergie | dolfun: that'd be great to use if we could download that stuff on N800 | 12:14 |
| dolfun | is ctorrent working for n800? | 12:14 |
| dolfun | i should port rtorrent right now | 12:15 |
| zuh | Nokia should introduce a new status: DISCRARDEDDUES3KR1TREASONS or NOWEDONTTELLYOUWHY ;) | 12:17 |
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| inz | SCREWYOUGUYSIMGOINGHOME | 12:20 |
| jku_ | If I was QA, I'd love to mark something "RESOLVED SCREWYOUGUYSIMGOINGHOME" | 12:23 |
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| dolfun | hah rtorrent built fine and runs | 12:44 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:46 |
| dolfun | buenos dias | 12:46 |
| sxpert-work | dolfun: think of the kittens :D | 12:47 |
| dolfun | ugh. rtorrent + libtorrent = 17 MB | 12:47 |
| sxpert-work | what I just said ;D | 12:48 |
| sxpert-work | dolfun: did you strip the executables ? | 12:48 |
| dolfun | just ran ./configure && make | 12:49 |
| sxpert-work | that may be the problem :D | 12:49 |
| dolfun | ah stripping saved 3MB | 12:49 |
| dolfun | can i just run strip on the lib also? | 12:49 |
| dolfun | seems to have stripped ok - now down to 11MB combined | 12:50 |
| sxpert-work | that may prove dangerous | 12:50 |
| sxpert-work | still appears large for such a package | 12:50 |
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| jku_ | rtorrent-libbtorrent debian packages are less than 600KB together | 12:52 |
| dolfun | yeah i misread the ls -- the combined tgz is 481k now | 12:53 |
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| dolfun | /usr/local/bin/rtorrent | 12:59 |
| dolfun | Error opening terminal: xterm. | 12:59 |
| dolfun | hrmph | 12:59 |
| daniels | kulve: it'll go up with the rest of maemo, and i'll also be merging it into the main x repository this week | 13:01 |
| dolfun | ah needs terminfo | 13:02 |
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| kulve | daniels: ok. I was a bit surprised to see that "apt-get source" gave old sources with the last release. And now I noticed that there's are no sources at all.. | 13:07 |
| dolfun | lol the kittens are crying sxpert-work ... | 13:09 |
| daniels | kulve: yeah, the release train isn't always exactly in sync for the 'sdk' and image releases | 13:10 |
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| kulve | daniels: I was just planning to test that sync setting you mentioned on friday, but that's not possible then.. | 13:14 |
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| daniels | kulve: yeah, sorry 'bout that, didn't realise. | 13:20 |
| kulve | np. I'll test it some other day | 13:21 |
| zuh | I would _need_ to build the kernel (with SDHC pathces) but 1) I have no idea what (source) version of the kernel is on the device 2) if the deb from the repo matches that 3) whether the src-deb from the repo matches either (at least the versioning is totally different) | 13:26 |
| zuh | sucks to be me I guess | 13:26 |
| * dolfun has high speed kingston mmc but hasn't tried the fast kernel | 13:32 | |
| dolfun | the simple compile of rtorrent btw crashes the 770 | 13:33 |
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| daniels | zuh: no sources are up yet from friday's release. (i don't know when they'll be up.) | 13:34 |
| zuh | Yeah, I suspected as much. | 13:41 |
| zuh | It's just that until they are, my 4GB of joy is just plastic in pretty colors (unless I want to reflash the old image of course... but I don't) | 13:42 |
| daniels | yeah, i know what you mean. nowt i can do about it, sorry. | 13:47 |
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| florian | good morning | 14:00 |
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| zuh | daniels: Heh, "fortunately" I don't use my device too seriously so it's not a big deal to wait. And it's definitely nothing you should apologise for :) | 14:05 |
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| Kyyla | hi, can anybody help me with a certificate problem that i think has occurred after the new s/w update? | 14:18 |
| Kyyla | i can't browse garage.maemo.org for example | 14:19 |
| Kyyla | the opera browser pops up an error message saying "Secure connection / This site has sent an untrusted certificate / * Certificate cannot identify the server" | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | Kyyla: Works for me? | 14:21 |
| Kyyla | yeah im sure | 14:21 |
| Kyyla | doesnt work for me though | 14:22 |
| Kyyla | totally weird | 14:22 |
| inz | Kyyla, is your clock in time? | 14:22 |
| Kyyla | lets see | 14:22 |
| RealNitro | yeah, most certificate errors are due to your clock being wroing | 14:22 |
| Kyyla | its on time | 14:23 |
| sp3000 | 2006? | 14:23 |
| Kyyla | nope 2007 | 14:23 |
| RealNitro | that's odd | 14:23 |
| Kyyla | ill reboot this sucker and try again | 14:23 |
| sp3000 | hmm, I get that too | 14:25 |
| Kyyla | im sorry to hear that | 14:25 |
| Kyyla | reboot helped | 14:26 |
| Kyyla | classic | 14:26 |
| RealNitro | lol | 14:26 |
| Kyyla | theres something fishy about this | 14:26 |
| Kyyla | anyway thanks for help | 14:26 |
| * sp3000 is pretty sure he's shutdown once or twice since flashing | 14:27 | |
| Kyyla | yeah me too | 14:27 |
| sp3000 | works after boot, yes | 14:28 |
| RealNitro | maybe it stops working when the device has been turned on for a while? | 14:31 |
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| plr_ | does anyone know how to make mobilepocket .prc:s readable with fbreader? When I try it, it just says "unsupported compression method" | 15:19 |
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| konttori | Hi again | 15:33 |
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| * konttori has changed to irssi and is confused whether it's working or not. | 15:33 | |
| c0ffee | ofcourse irssi works :) | 15:33 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: nice ui for you mp | 15:33 |
| ptman | konttori: seems to work nicely | 15:33 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: is it pygame or what? | 15:33 |
| konttori | ptman: Great to hear that! | 15:33 |
| konttori | pygame. yeah | 15:33 |
| dev | hi konttori | 15:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: i have to try it yet, just read your post | 15:34 |
| konttori | Uses DSP for playback (so bood battery life) | 15:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: is it working fast (ui-wise)? | 15:34 |
| konttori | k-s: yeah, pretty fast | 15:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: what do you use for playback? Gstreamer? | 15:34 |
| konttori | gstreamer, yeah | 15:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: you said it's sluggish to scroll | 15:35 |
| konttori | I think it's the only way to get dsp playback | 15:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: you may use Nokia's media engine, throught dbus calls | 15:35 |
| konttori | Has been an uphill battle at times though. | 15:35 |
| konttori | k-s: what's that? | 15:35 |
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| konttori | k-s: is that somehow better than the gstreamer? | 15:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: it uses gstreamer underneath | 15:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: is the same engine maemo media player and canola uses | 15:36 |
| konttori | ahh... so, what's the advantage? | 15:36 |
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| ptman | it probably already loaded into memory | 15:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: it controls the pipeline and (in theory) controls multiple access to dsp | 15:36 |
| konttori | k-s: I see. I might try that in the future (near future). d-bus connection isn't working properly yet, so ... after it is, I might be tempted to try that | 15:37 |
| konttori | Anyway, I'm just happy that I got the gstreamer working ;) | 15:37 |
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| k-s[WORK] | konttori: sure | 15:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: at least you'll avoid problems we have in canola :-) | 15:39 |
| konttori | ptman: So, was it so that you had quite a few songs in your system. Was the first startup agonizingly slow as it loaded the covers from the net? | 15:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: so, about scroll being sluggish, you better convert the surface before blitting | 15:39 |
| dolfun_ | hah mplayer pixel doubling breaks when synergyc cursor is moved | 15:39 |
| ptman | konttori: I just tested it with a couple and it went fine | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | konttori: considered functionality to use a JPEG file alongside the album if present, to save net connections? | 15:40 |
| ptman | konttori: and internet access was probably mostly slowed thanks to my connection | 15:40 |
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| konttori | k-s: You mean to static version? | 15:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: static? | 15:41 |
| konttori | Jaffa: You can put the jpeg to covers on your mmc (and rename it as cdname). I might add a test to get cover from the album folder. But the current model only retrieves the cover once and stores it to covers. | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | I see. | 15:42 |
| konttori | k-s: whatever the surface conversion does. | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Looks like it could be good - still a bit rough round the edges compared with Canola - but the reflections are cool | 15:42 |
| konttori | oh, you meant conversion to 16 bit | 15:42 |
| konttori | Hmm.. I thought it was already in 16 bit. If not, I'll do that in the evening | 15:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/03/reflections.html | 15:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: if we use qt... ;-) | 15:43 |
| konttori | k-: I think there was an option in the sprites I use to set it to be static, which should improve the blitting speed a bit. | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | k-s[WORK]: heh, although 60fps at ~10% CPU on a 3GHz P4 with OpenGL-supporting NVIDI graphics card is a *bit* away from a 250/330MHz ARM processor ;-) | 15:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: be aware that SDL (and thus pygame) cannot convert images with alpha to 16bit, it will loose the alpha channel... in this case, better use a C-written blit and convert, use it from python... | 15:44 |
| daniels | dolfun_: yes, pixel doubling will break like that | 15:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: fps is fixed, be aware of that ;-) | 15:44 |
| konttori | k-s: although those sprites (album covers) don't need any alpha anyway. | 15:44 |
| daniels | dolfun_: hardware, er, feature. not much we can do about htat. | 15:45 |
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| dneary | qgil? | 15:45 |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: er, qt wouldn't help | 15:45 |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: if anything, it would make things worse. c++ introduces a fair bit of overhead. | 15:45 |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: qt wouldn't enable us to do things like that. either using the mbx 3d core, or switching to umpc-like hardware that was much more performant (and used a zillion times more power, and required cooling) would enable us to do things like that. | 15:46 |
| daniels | dneary: jabber says he's gone home; he works pretty early | 15:47 |
| daniels | dneary: so email may be best | 15:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | daniels: this c++ overhead is just bullshit... just look to Gobject's overhead... that couldn't be optimized... C++ can be | 15:47 |
| dneary | daniels: Thanks | 15:47 |
| dneary | Wish I could stop working at lunchtime ;) | 15:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | daniels: but yes, qt wouldn't help in this case, since it's a hw issue | 15:48 |
| Robot101 | dneary: to be fair, they are +2 :) | 15:48 |
| dneary | Robot101: So am I now | 15:48 |
| dneary | Summertiiime... | 15:48 |
| dolfun_ | daniels: know of any code samples of sdl that works with pixel doubling? | 15:48 |
| Robot101 | dneary: ah, oh. these finns arrive at like 6am though :D | 15:48 |
| dneary | And the livin' is eassaaay | 15:48 |
| dneary | Fish are jumpin'... | 15:48 |
| dneary | an' the cotton is hiiiigh.... | 15:48 |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: no, it's not bullshit. it's not as large as it's made out to be, but function dispatch in c is blindingly fast. in c++ it is not, due to the compiler and loader not exactly being great, but also because your vtable is about nine million times larger and more complex. | 15:48 |
| * dneary stops now | 15:48 | |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: (fwiw, i'm an ex-kde developer.) | 15:49 |
| daniels | dolfun_: hw limitation, really | 15:49 |
| Robot101 | dneary: :) | 15:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | just try to optimize callbacks and damn g_..._type() evaluation for nothing | 15:49 |
| dolfun_ | ok daniels will continue poring over the code that works (fceu) | 15:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | it's the same | 15:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | llvm and newer compiler techs does pretty good at optimizing c++ | 15:50 |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: i'm talking about c vs. c++, not gobject vs c++. | 15:50 |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: g++ is undoubtedly far better than it was, but that really isn't saying much at all | 15:50 |
| k-s[WORK] | daniels: misusing c can make it worse than using correct c++ | 15:50 |
| k-s[WORK] | problem is that is easy to misuse c :-( | 15:51 |
| daniels | sure, so the lesson here is: don't write bad code. | 15:51 |
| k-s[WORK] | sure | 15:51 |
| k-s[WORK] | so rip off some current code we use today :-( | 15:51 |
| daniels | but my point remains that switching from c to c++ for everything on our device would introduce a huge overhead. | 15:52 |
| daniels | k-s[WORK]: no argument there | 15:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | sure | 15:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | but the overhead being human resources, not cpu | 15:52 |
| daniels | no, cpu and memory resources. | 15:52 |
| daniels | your vtable is larger and more complex. | 15:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | we still need measures on that | 15:52 |
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| dazgard | hi | 15:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | daniels: to do same features on both c and c++, vtables would be not much larger | 15:53 |
| daniels | you don't need a measure to realise that __Z9do_somethingI8someotherstuffgoeshereparticularlyifyouhaveafewarguments is larger than do_something | 15:53 |
| daniels | i'm obviously not denying that c++ has its benefits, but that it produces larger and more complex code than equivalent straight c (not talking about gobject here) is axiomatic. | 15:54 |
| daniels | anyway, lunchtime | 15:54 |
| dazgard | i would like to compile dates for maemo3.0 from svn, but it complains about gnome-common, which is depends on autoconf, which is not available, any idea ? please ? | 15:54 |
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| k-s[WORK] | daniels: c provides almost no hints for optimization | 15:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | daniels: your huge vtable are due hints, that can be optimized... and more and more are being | 15:55 |
| inz | dazgard, have you installed the bora roostrap manually or with the script? | 15:56 |
| dazgard | yes | 15:56 |
| dazgard | i just saw this : /scratchbox/tools/bin/autoconf | 15:57 |
| dazgard | but the autogen scrpt dont seems to see/like it | 15:57 |
| dazgard | ok, it seems like the tools are there but not in an usual place (/scratchbox/tools) | 15:58 |
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| dazgard | the problem seems to come from missing M4 macros | 16:00 |
| konttori | Jaffa: Any recommendations how to improve the media player? | 16:00 |
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| k-s[WORK] | konttori: you can use our (canola) db and scanner | 16:01 |
| k-s[WORK] | it will be lgpl anyway | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | konttori: smoother (or at least half step) scrolling, with 11 albums the album view got awfully confusing; bigger text; button surrounds; a clearer view of which album is selected etc. | 16:01 |
| * Jaffa would *really* like to see Canola, Media Player and UK MP share a database of metadata, given they all want it :) | 16:02 | |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: it's hard to achieve smooth scrolling within n800 :-( it flickers a lot | 16:02 |
| konttori | Jaffa: Did you try the dragging scrolling? Or what do you mean with half step scrolling? | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | k-s[WORK]: indeed | 16:02 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: just used keys - half-step scrolling would mean you see half the row below the current one so it's not like a new screen, but gives an indication of stuff moving up/down. | 16:03 |
| konttori | Jaffa: Yeah, well, dragging achieves that. Just drag your stulus on the screen. It'll smooth scroll that way. | 16:04 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: if you want to use our db, it's at ~user/.canola/canola.db, plain SQLite | 16:04 |
| konttori | I just thought that using cusor keys should always go in one line increments. I thought it would work faster that way | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | konttori: very weird redraw behaviour when (I think) the grid is not full | 16:05 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: agreed, my problem is I've only got about 11 albums at the moment, the top row was unused and there was too large a visual disconnect to give any sense of where I was/what was happening. | 16:06 |
| konttori | Ahh... SO, you don't have enough albums and it cracks. I did not test with less than 50 albums. I'll do that today. | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | Dragging is very cool though (or will be once you've looked at poor cases like me with only a handful of albums) | 16:06 |
| konttori | k-s: I'll have a look at that. It would rock to use the same db. | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | konttori: any possibility for "momentum" on scrolling? (a la iPhone) | 16:07 |
| konttori | Jaffa: and it's 2X speed dragging. I tested with 1X dragging, but 2X seemed much more usefull | 16:07 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: code will be lgpl, we're waiting laywers to approve, but it was announced at bossa conference | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, drag speed looks about right | 16:07 |
| konttori | Jaffa: Yeah. Although I'd first like to get it run faster. At the current speed I think momentum would suck. | 16:07 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: ah, it also talks dbus to announce start and stop of scan | 16:08 |
| konttori | k-s: accessing sqlite db should be ok in any case, should it not? | 16:08 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: sure | 16:08 |
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| k-s[WORK] | konttori: but maybe you want to to know if it's scanning, to present some message (device becomes slow while processing) | 16:09 |
| konttori | In any case, scanning the MMC is so fast that it's not really needed to use the db for local files. | 16:09 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: no way | 16:09 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: there are some guys with 8Gb of mp3 | 16:09 |
| konttori | It takes like 5-10 secs to scan a few hundred mp3s. | 16:09 |
| k-s[WORK] | parsing id3 of 8gb on mmc is quite time | 16:10 |
| konttori | k-s: ok, true. I'll add some level of caching first and then move to sqlite db. | 16:10 |
| konttori | Jaffa: I'll add a better background image to emphasize the currently playing album. And add a larger font to be used in the title view. | 16:13 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: cool | 16:13 |
| konttori | Jaffa: Would that cover your immediate recommendations? | 16:14 |
| konttori | I don't think I can draw the artist name on much bigger font to the cd cover. Maybe a little bit bigger, but not much | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | Almost certainly. I'm no UI expert, unlike tigert though | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | konttori: yeah, that's not too bad - it's mostly the status on the right and the track listing that's the problem | 16:14 |
| konttori | Hmm... I might try to have a chat with tigert on the subject. Thanks for the tip | 16:15 |
| konttori | I would also love to hear some recommendations from Roope. I wonder if he's around. | 16:18 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 16:23 |
| sxpert-work | tigert: this "bug resolution" sucks: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=386 | 16:29 |
| * sxpert-work mails the bug manager to get more details | 16:33 | |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: ciao! | 16:46 |
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| sp3000 | "For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. " :D | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | Nice | 17:11 |
| maddler | b0unc3: heya! | 17:11 |
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| maddler | konttori: your media player looks nice... | 17:15 |
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| konttori | maddler: thanks! | 17:21 |
| konttori | maddler: If you have any improvement ideas, just let me know! | 17:22 |
| * konttori has to leave. Back in 2 hours or so | 17:23 | |
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| dolfun_ | wow dan s is an x guru :) | 17:32 |
| daniels | hm? | 17:35 |
| dolfun_ | you've got a crazy number of results on google | 17:35 |
| daniels | heh, not all of them me | 17:37 |
| daniels | only 3 of the top 10 are me | 17:38 |
| dolfun_ | trying to see whether xserver-kdrive was updated between mistral and scirocco | 17:38 |
| dolfun_ | well adding nokia to the search still gives like 14k | 17:38 |
| inz | I used to get "did you mean..." with my name :( | 17:38 |
| daniels | hm, hadn't seen danielstone.org before | 17:39 |
| daniels | dolfun_: heh, i can't even remember what mistral and scirocco were | 17:39 |
| daniels | dolfun_: there were relatively minor updates from it2005 to it2006, then a huge update from it2006 to it2007 v2006.{47,51}, then a big video change in 2007.10 | 17:39 |
| daniels | i've got a merge done with upstream internally, will be pushing that code upstream, but no real big changes otherwise | 17:40 |
| dolfun_ | well i have to get it working for both mistral and scirroco anyway | 17:40 |
| dolfun_ | it's very nice btw, seems to do some kind of bilinear filtering | 17:40 |
| daniels | i can't remember what mistral and scirocco are, tbh | 17:40 |
| dolfun_ | 2.0 and 2.1 of it2006 iirc | 17:41 |
| daniels | the server is product-focussed, not sdk-focussed, so i haven't kept any track of maemo status | 17:41 |
| daniels | yeah, the hardware does some pretty nice filtering | 17:41 |
| daniels | and there aren't any changes there that i can think of | 17:41 |
| dolfun_ | ok good to know | 17:42 |
| dolfun_ | maybe i can trick X into not drawing | 17:43 |
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| daniels | dolfun_: not drawing the cursor? | 17:45 |
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| daniels | dolfun_: if so, it's probably just easiest to either a) make synergy not draw the cursor when pixel doubling is enabled, or b) make a zero-decoration override-redirect window, as i _think_ synergy does the cursor as a proper window | 17:46 |
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| dolfun_ | synergy has you replace the invisible nokia cursor with a real pixmap | 17:47 |
| dolfun_ | but there's also drawing events while battery charging | 17:47 |
| dolfun_ | actually from what i can tell, if sdl requests fullscreen and hide_cursor, kdrive shouldn't be drawing anything else | 17:48 |
| dolfun_ | and i had it kind-of working when i made the sdl fullscreen window 800x480 | 17:48 |
| dolfun_ | but i have too much catching up to do to really be talking to you. thanks for the hints again tho | 17:49 |
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| makuchaku | Hi all, anyone running Minimo on N800? How do I activate the menus? | 17:51 |
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| daniels | dolfun_afk: no worries, enjoy | 17:53 |
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| [AD]Turbo | yo | 18:10 |
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| jku_ | Interesting... I replied to a bugzilla comment earlier today. Now my comment has disappeared and the original comment has been changed | 18:14 |
| sp3000 | it was down for a moment, maybe it just rolled back | 18:14 |
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| jku_ | Ok, then Jake Kunnari (the original poster) just posted again... I see | 18:15 |
| Knowledge | Anyone try Konttori's Media Center program? | 18:15 |
| jku_ | My conspiracy theories crumble. | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | Knowledge: yup, briefly. He was here earlier asking for feedback | 18:17 |
| Knowledge | I was hoping to find him, because it does not run on my n800 | 18:18 |
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| Knowledge | maybe because when I did my upgrade and redid the boot from MMC, I didn't format the MMC it just installed on top and all of my apps and such were there...but it doesn't work | 18:18 |
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| Knowledge | it loads a black screen and I see the rewind/previous and play buttons...that's all | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | Have you MP3s with ID3 tags under /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2? | 18:20 |
| sbaturzio | aloha! | 18:21 |
| Knowledge | I gotta question for you n800 users, do your buttons wiggle around?...cause mine wiggle around and physically go off center, and the down button doesn't have as much feedback as the others | 18:22 |
| * bill20r3 checks | 18:22 | |
| jku_ | Knowledge, no. They're pretty solid. | 18:23 |
| bill20r3 | they all seem pretty consistant. | 18:23 |
| Knowledge | really?...they don't have any gaps...cause I could move mine to the left and have a bigger gap to the right, or to the right and have a bigger gap on the left...etc | 18:24 |
| Knowledge | I might have to take a picture | 18:24 |
| jku_ | I can push the d-pad maybe half mm to left or right but it comes right back to center | 18:25 |
| Knowledge | Jaffa: doh!...I have the wrong mem card in... | 18:25 |
| Knowledge | I feel like an ass | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | :) | 18:25 |
| Knowledge | jku_: yeah, that's what I mean...except it doesn't recenter. | 18:26 |
| Knowledge | maybe I'm being too anal about it... | 18:26 |
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| Knowledge | and one last question...if you guys don't mind...what do you guys think of my post here... | 18:28 |
| Knowledge | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5479 | 18:28 |
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| jku_ | Anyone know who's behind the "Dasher" Google-SoC project? | 18:33 |
| jku_ | s/project/proposal/ | 18:33 |
| jku_ | Would be interesting to know if it's just about N800-as-input-device-for-PC or also about using Dasher as Maemo input system | 18:34 |
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| Knowledge | anyone know if it's ok to leave my 800 the way it is... | 18:49 |
| _acyd_ | knowledge, mine is that way too | 18:49 |
| _acyd_ | i think it's justdue to them using cheaper buttons | 18:50 |
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| dragorn | Knowledge: Sounds like it flashed the initfs and not the rootfs. I bet you won't get all the advantages of the new firmware that way (ie, better video playback, etc), but I don't imagine it will actively harm anything | 18:51 |
| dragorn | Knowledge: As a quick skim of that post, anyhow | 18:52 |
| Knowledge | actually YouTube isn't bad at all...then again, I never checked it with the older system | 18:52 |
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| dragorn | Well I meant they accelerated the actual video player (avi, mpg, foo) in the new fw | 18:53 |
| dragorn | anyway. You may see side effects, but it won't physically break anything that I can think of | 18:54 |
| Knowledge | best shot is to format and redo the boot from MMC? | 18:54 |
| bill20r3 | youtube is still prety chunky for me. | 18:54 |
| tigert | sxpert-work: this bug should be fixed in the latest image | 18:54 |
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| tigert | (the obex upload) | 18:54 |
| bill20r3 | pretty, too. | 18:54 |
| tigert | for N800 | 18:55 |
| tigert | now, the sucky part is the 770 again I guess | 18:55 |
| dragorn | I was sad to notice that the cx1311x mode change bugs are still present in the new firmware | 18:55 |
| bill20r3 | I have a N800 | 18:55 |
| sxpert | tigert, send me an N800 and I'll forget about it :D | 18:56 |
| dragorn | so i still have to do the unload/new module/chroot wlan-cal hack. sadness. | 18:56 |
| konttori | Hi all! | 18:56 |
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| dragorn | bill20r3: http://802.11ninja.net/~dragorn/n800/kismet_2007.03.R1-pre_armel.deb | 19:07 |
| dragorn | bill20r3: however it won't work with the stock firmware drivers, and may leave your wireless card in a broken state you can only fix from a root shell even w/ the new garage drivers if you build an independent .ko | 19:07 |
| dragorn | bill20r3: and until those 2 problems are resolved (which is going to require a lot of hacking) i'm highly reluctant to release it officially | 19:08 |
| bill20r3 | oof. | 19:10 |
| bill20r3 | are there any docs on installing the required drivers? | 19:10 |
| dragorn | nope | 19:11 |
| dragorn | I couldn't even get the ones in the garage to compile until i rewrote the makefile for them | 19:11 |
| bill20r3 | ouch | 19:11 |
| dragorn | which may be more a reflection on my sb setup skills than on the driver quality, but there you go | 19:12 |
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| dragorn | in any case, i have a 770 and an 800 now so once the driver mgmt problem is ironed out I'll do real builds for them | 19:13 |
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| mgedmin | Nice comment to a bug report: "WONTFIX. No fixes to N770 anymore." | 19:14 |
| dragorn | thats an unfortunate position | 19:14 |
| sxpert | "so send me an N800 so I can continue working" | 19:15 |
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| dolfun_afk | the devices are quite inexpensive given the production numbers and capabilities, imo | 19:16 |
| dolfun_afk | support costs money etc | 19:16 |
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| sxpert | bloody bean-counters from hell | 19:17 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin; doesn't that fly in the face of Ari's comments? | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | And it's annoying that bugfixers are confusing N770 with OS 2006, given OS2007on770 | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: exactly | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | re OS2007on770: since it's unofficial, I think bugfixers can assume that 770 == OS2006 | 19:33 |
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| mgedmin | what's a good url with Ari's comment about continued support for the 770? | 19:33 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/01/were-getting-some-feedback-and-weve-got.html - "Nokia supports [770] fully and keeps on selling it, too" | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | hm, there's no expiration date for that support | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | it's unrealistic to expect bug fixes for the 770 a hundred years for now | 19:38 |
| Jaffa | 2 months after that statement, however, is probably reasonable. | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | that's my feeling too | 19:38 |
| lle2 | hmph, you guys already get nokia's official moral support and sympathy. what more could you possibly ask for. | 19:41 |
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| daniels | lle2: yes, but that's cancelled out by scratchbox ;) | 19:43 |
| lle2 | daniels: well, there's always a catch, isn't there? | 19:44 |
| lle2 | does somebody here have a list of the stuff that we (nokia) have not properly open sourced for 770? | 19:45 |
| tko | don't we also officially sympathise with everyone using scratchbox? :) | 19:46 |
| lle2 | tko: no | 19:46 |
| daniels | surely official sympathy would come with some legal liability | 19:46 |
| daniels | maybe lauri can officially sympathise, and nokia can say nothing | 19:46 |
| lle2 | tko: I've no sympathy for people who use sb1 | 19:46 |
| daniels | lle2: bme, dsme, umac, email, opera, flash, rss reader | 19:46 |
| daniels | those are the main ones, i think | 19:47 |
| daniels | lle2: what about the people who use sb2 on their native system? ;) | 19:47 |
| tko | daniels, I thought rss reader sources were in the gpl bundle | 19:47 |
| lle2 | rss reader doesn't probably matter | 19:47 |
| lle2 | email neither | 19:47 |
| inz | systemui? | 19:47 |
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| lle2 | opera is also questionabe | 19:47 |
| lle2 | you can replace that | 19:47 |
| daniels | lle2: yeah, opera/flash are SEP, obviously | 19:48 |
| tko | input methods | 19:48 |
| daniels | oh yeah, him is a biggie | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | oh yes, the input methods | 19:48 |
| lle2 | him? | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | hildon-input-method | 19:48 |
| daniels | though most people seem to be asking for the protocol to be opened so they can write plugins, rather than the all the modules and the core itself | 19:48 |
| daniels | lle2: hildon-input-method | 19:48 |
| lle2 | right, but that should be replaceable with something | 19:49 |
| daniels | yeah, such as xim | 19:49 |
| lle2 | I'm just trying to understand what would be the least amount of stuff that would be required for the thing to be useful | 19:49 |
| daniels | or scim or uim if you're bored | 19:49 |
| dragorn | lle2: I'd love to see the binary blobs of the wireless drivers be opened, but I think that's more a request than a violation on your part. :P | 19:49 |
| daniels | lle2: dsme (although that has very little), bme, umac, and possibly mce | 19:49 |
| daniels | though getting rid of dsme/mce/ke-recv would definitely be admirable | 19:50 |
| tko | im guys said you could just replace the gtk IM module and use some other input method | 19:50 |
| daniels | tko: correct | 19:50 |
| lle2 | dsme should be nuked if at all possible | 19:50 |
| * lle2 waves to all system guys | 19:50 | |
| Jaffa | A lot of the questions about non-OSS portions could be alleviated by a Nokia developer spending 1 day on writing a guide to customising a FIASCO image (e.g. the build-instructions for OS2007on770 should be it) | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | i.e. take this binary blob, modify it like so, do this, type this and then flash your device. | 19:51 |
| tko | so technically you could already replace input methods, though the system setup is not exactly configurable there | 19:51 |
| suihkulokki | lle2: well igor said in a mail to the list that a minimal dsme replacement would be just somthing that kicks the watchdogs.. | 19:51 |
| lle2 | suihkulokki: yeah, that shouldn't be too hard to create | 19:51 |
| unique311 | maemo is based on debian? | 19:52 |
| bill20r3 | y | 19:52 |
| lle2 | in theory | 19:52 |
| bill20r3 | it has apt-get, anyway. | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | is there an open source app for assembling fiasco images? | 19:52 |
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| lle2 | mgedmin: not yet, I think we're pushing it out | 19:52 |
| unique311 | video support for debian is good. | 19:52 |
| daniels | lle2: yes, i'm getting all the x-related parts of dsme slowly dismantled | 19:52 |
| daniels | lle2: e.g. the screen blanking behind our back that makes us ignore all UPDATE_WINDOW failures | 19:52 |
| AndrewGearhart | hey folks. I'm looking for information on how I install applications from the garage... onto a brand spankin new N800. | 19:53 |
| lle2 | daniels: yeah, I *really* loved that when it popped up | 19:53 |
| lle2 | so we're down to the wlan thingy, right? | 19:54 |
| daniels | lle2: ismo's agreed in-principle to removing all parts of dsme that really belong in the x server | 19:54 |
| daniels | lle2: umac and bme, yes | 19:54 |
| daniels | lle2: running n800 without bme would be ... it wouldn't be great. | 19:54 |
| unique311 | lets flood nokia with emails for better video codec support... | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | AndrewGearhart: if you're lucky, you click on the green install arrow in http://downloads.maemo.org/ and it installs | 19:54 |
| lle2 | unique311: you better not, it won't make daniels work any faster | 19:54 |
| unique311 | is daniels in here? | 19:54 |
| daniels | unique311: video support for debian is 'good' because you can illegally download windows codecs and execute the machine code on i386 machines | 19:54 |
| unique311 | oh he is | 19:54 |
| unique311 | lol | 19:55 |
| daniels | unique311: bear in mind that i'm only talking about debian/i386. debian/arm, debian/armel, debian/ppc, etc, all have the same problem as maemo. | 19:55 |
| unique311 | oh nokia is triying to stay away from the illegal stuff | 19:55 |
| * mgedmin ponders the battery life of an x86-powered internet tablet | 19:55 | |
| suihkulokki | oof my pet request | 19:55 |
| lle2 | hmm, bme and umac it is then | 19:55 |
| Veggen | unique: well. The illegal stuff usually isn't compiled for arm. | 19:55 |
| suihkulokki | "the video playback sucks because it does not support the latest ware codecs" | 19:55 |
| Veggen | "illegal". | 19:56 |
| lle2 | suihkulokki: video playback sucks because it isn't build with -funroll-loops | 19:56 |
| Veggen | (some of it is perfectly legal to download in various parts of the world) | 19:56 |
| daniels | unique311: this might come as a surprise, but most companies generally try to avoid doing anything blatantly illegal, yeah | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | gcc -O99 ! | 19:56 |
| unique311 | ya | 19:56 |
| daniels | Veggen: bear in mind that this isn't even about patents yet. this is about the licence specifically prohibiting you from redistributing it, or using it in certain circumstances, which is illegal almost everywhere that has a copyright law. | 19:57 |
| suihkulokki | the only way to do successfull video playback device is to do like apple: support exactly one codec with one screensize :=) | 19:57 |
| jku_ | Veggen, maybe, for a single end-user... | 19:57 |
| lle2 | bme *shouldn't* be that bad, a static magic binary ought to do | 19:57 |
| unique311 | vlc player should solve all this | 19:57 |
| suihkulokki | lle2: umac could be replaced with the prism54 derived driver | 19:57 |
| lle2 | suihkulokki: yeah, I heard | 19:58 |
| unique311 | it comes with all types of codecs, don't it? | 19:58 |
| AndrewGearhart | mgedmin: I can't seem to find VNC there. | 19:58 |
| daniels | lle2: bme is already a 'static magic binary' ;) | 19:58 |
| daniels | lle2: unless you mean an nv-style utterly undocumented chunk of c? | 19:58 |
| AndrewGearhart | mgedmin: so I guess the next question is where can I find instructions on how to install stuff from the garage... | 19:58 |
| daniels | lle2: that's basically a portable binary, rather than source code | 19:59 |
| lle2 | daniels: I think the initfs is still built linking uclibc dynamically? | 19:59 |
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| AndrewGearhart | well... I'll be... | 19:59 |
| lle2 | it should be linked static to make it work regardless of the environment | 19:59 |
| daniels | lle2: oh sure, that would be useful | 20:00 |
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| lle2 | or maybe write a posix wrapper for it x) | 20:00 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: Got any references/docs on that? There are a lot of references to prism54 in umac symbols and in the cx1311 driver OSS portion, but the comments indicated it was derived from but not the same as | 20:00 |
| daniels | but people would still complain and think that we've got every single one of our trade secrets tucked up in a binary that ensures your device doesn't explode in your hands | 20:00 |
| daniels | lle2: libbme.so, int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { do_bme(); return 0; } | 20:00 |
| lle2 | daniels: but that would be accurate, wouldn't it? ;) | 20:00 |
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| dragorn | suihkulokki: i'll bow to a greater authority if thats the case, and it would definitely make my life easier, but i thought the prism54 derivation was more design and less device interaction | 20:01 |
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| suihkulokki | dragorn: first link with google site:maemo.org prism54 | 20:01 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: You just made my day. | 20:02 |
| unique311 | it comes with all types of codecs, don't it?? | 20:02 |
| suihkulokki | dragorn: the included wlan *driver* is not prism54 derived, but the chip is | 20:02 |
| lle2 | soo, it actually shouldn't be that big of a challenge to roll a very-close-to 100% free 770 image | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | freemaemo.org! | 20:03 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: Not to be contrarian, the reference I was talking about in the src was "Based on prism54 ioctls implementation.". So I guess it's not really defininitive | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | viva la revolution! | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | AndrewGearhart: VNC viewer or VNC server? | 20:03 |
| lle2 | mgedmin: something like that | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | vncviewer is available from downloads.maemo.org, IIRC | 20:03 |
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| mgedmin | I haven't seen an OS2007 port of a VNC server yet | 20:03 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: anyhow, damn, now I've got something to work on for the day | 20:04 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: Wish I'd known that last week :P | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | oh, right, http://downloads.maemo.org/ is broken today | 20:04 |
| * mgedmin sighs | 20:04 | |
| ocnarfidW | Did you get a N800 yet dragorn or are you working on a 770? | 20:04 |
| jku_ | so was bugzilla apparently | 20:04 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: Got both | 20:04 |
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| lle2 | why are you guys so hung up on FIASCO btw? | 20:05 |
| ocnarfidW | dragorn: excellent. | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | AndrewGearhart: http://test.maemo.org/downloads/product/vnc-viewer | 20:05 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: my fun last week, http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/n770-wispy.jpg | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | stupid search doesn't find it if I look for "vnc" | 20:05 |
| lle2 | FIASCO doesn't actually do anything else but roll the parts into one | 20:05 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: it's a crap port tho, and will remain crap until i finish the new wispy display stuff when I'll properly hildonize it, and fix the text not rendering, etc | 20:05 |
| lle2 | you get the same effect by giving them to flasher individually | 20:06 |
| bill20r3 | what's the wi-spy? | 20:06 |
| dragorn | bill20r3: USB spectrum analyzer | 20:06 |
| ocnarfidW | dragorn: cool. you going to do an official port of kismet as well? | 20:06 |
| suihkulokki | dragorn: nice :) | 20:06 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: yup, once I figure out how to solve the driver thrashing | 20:06 |
| bill20r3 | I thought the usb port was client mode only... | 20:07 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: I'd rather make people wait for the official version than say "well, you have to reboot the device every time" | 20:07 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: and the stock cx1311 drivers in the n800 thrash to death switching to rfmon, so thats another piece of "fun" | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | bill20r3: with a little software + hardware hack you can get the 770 to be a usb host | 20:08 |
| ocnarfidW | Yea, listening to user complaints in never any fun. | 20:08 |
| bill20r3 | mgedmin, the N800 too, or just the 770? | 20:08 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: I need to package up the new cx1311 module from garage, and write a script to only swap the drivers out when it's running on the current firmware, since I don't want it to go swapping them in the future and downgrading them | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | bill20r3: 770 only | 20:08 |
| bill20r3 | I assume the hardware hack involves wiring power to the port, or using a powered hub, or something like that? | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | the kernel driver only supports client mode for the usb chipset in the n800 | 20:08 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: I'd also like to talk to dbus and turn off the wireless link in a way that the rest of the UI knows it's been turned off, rather than just ifconfiging the interface away from it | 20:08 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: So those are the delays in a real port. And in newcore I have to get the menu gui to handle mouse clicks right so you can tap on the tablet | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | bill20r3: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/01/usb-power-injector-2.html | 20:09 |
| ocnarfidW | dragorn: sounds hot. I'm looking forward to it. | 20:09 |
| dragorn | ocnarfidW: but now it's time for food, afk | 20:09 |
| bill20r3 | so it's not a hardware issue, and hopefully someone will make a host-mode driver for it. | 20:09 |
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| bill20r3 | I suppose if you were daring you could wire 5v inside the 770/800, too. | 20:14 |
| bill20r3 | assuming there's 5v available internally, that is. | 20:14 |
| tko | hmm.. I've gained weight since I started drinking tea instead of coffee.. therefore, tea makes you fat | 20:15 |
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| lle2 | tko: same here after I started going to the gym ;) | 20:16 |
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| mgedmin | tko: doesn't work for me :/ | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | I drink *lots* of tea, but I'm still underweight | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | eating about 1.5 times per day might explain it, though | 20:18 |
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| daniels | mgedmin: i put weight on while eating once per day | 20:20 |
| daniels | i blame finnish winter for my latest weight gain | 20:20 |
| lle2 | daniels: nah, it's the lcd monitors | 20:20 |
| lle2 | I'm sure of it | 20:20 |
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| daniels | lle2: in that case, i like my weight | 20:22 |
| lle2 | but what I'd really like to know is if it would be enough "support" from nokia if we made sure debian/arm runs on our hw, with maybe instructions and a repository from which to get the proprietary parts? | 20:22 |
| lle2 | on 770 it would mean running from mmc | 20:22 |
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| tko | I can't recall whether someone had explained what they're expecting to be able to do, concretely | 20:24 |
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| lle2 | tko: me neither | 20:25 |
| tko | I recall someone wanting to run free software only | 20:25 |
| tko | but that's different | 20:25 |
| keesj | did you see the java based x86 emulator http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/03/23/java_emulator/ | 20:25 |
| lle2 | well, it doesn't get any better than running debian, does it? | 20:25 |
| lle2 | (there is about three tons of sarcasm in that) | 20:26 |
| keesj | you can always run emacs or gentoo | 20:26 |
| tko | I wonder how difficult would it be to just stick the debian base system there | 20:27 |
| keesj | It also runs on nokia http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/jpc/Nokia.html | 20:27 |
| keesj | I don't know dos is still 286 and linux 386 right? | 20:28 |
| lle2 | tko: it shouldn't be too hard, since people want support from nokia, maybe we should take up maintaining that, with instructions how to get the proprietary crap in there | 20:28 |
| keesj | they must already have documented this , I can't imagine that they really want to run dos :p | 20:28 |
| lle2 | tko: initfs probably would need to stay, and since that contains bme, umac & co, we're basically all set, right? | 20:29 |
| tko | lle2, I was more thinking about sticking the all free base system in there, see what's missing and then document what kind of stuff would be be needed where | 20:29 |
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| lle2 | so now I'm left puzzled, what the fuck are people complaining about... | 20:29 |
| keesj | ±²In principle, we can run any OS that runs on an IBM PC, including Linux, DOS, and Windows. This includes systems for which there is no longer any available support; e.g. JPC is a safe environment in which to run legacy Windows 95 code. We are currently developing more x86 execution modes, have tested DOS and are now developing Linux compatibility. | 20:29 |
| tko | and if someone prefers proprietary bits, make them available | 20:29 |
| lle2 | tko: well, initfs is kinda like initrd, you can't easily do away with it | 20:30 |
| tko | rebuild your all-free kernel and initfs? | 20:30 |
| lle2 | but all-free is useless | 20:30 |
| lle2 | no bme | 20:31 |
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| lle2 | it will only run until the battery is dead | 20:31 |
| tko | thus the documentation for how to replace it (or make the proprietary binary available) | 20:31 |
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| lle2 | you would need to charge the battery in something else | 20:32 |
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| tko | only half-useless :) | 20:32 |
| lle2 | (at this point I congratulate whoever designed the battery crap) | 20:32 |
| lle2 | but if you're using initfs anyway, you will have bme and the rest | 20:33 |
| lle2 | and I think it's not unreasonable if nokia's supported debian system on 770 would require the bootloader, kernel and initfs to be from the official release | 20:34 |
| tko | but then, if the bits in initfs take care of everything, why would we have to maintain anything? | 20:35 |
| lle2 | that's what I'm wondering too | 20:35 |
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| bill20r3 | dragorn, where's the wispy client available? | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | if I encounter a bug in free software, I usually endure, because you get what you pay for, you can fix it yourself, etc. | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | when I encounter a bug in closed software, I get angry, because this proprietary crap is buggy | 20:36 |
| lle2 | we can't support the prism54 driver officially anyway, probably | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | that may not be entirely rational if you look at it closely... | 20:36 |
| lle2 | mgedmin: I know what you're talking about | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | (but the quality of the software on the tablets is a bit appalling) | 20:37 |
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| lle2 | but a fact is that 770 is underpowered in every department, it's installed base is miniscule, it doesn't justify maintaining the full software stack, and if that's the case, I would imagine running standard debian to be not a bad choice at all. But then I also tend to have pretty up to date PCs as well | 20:39 |
| lle2 | so maybe I don't see the reason why people would insist on using old, underpowered hw | 20:40 |
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| mgedmin | I guess one reason would be that's the only hardware they have | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | and getting newer, less underpowered hw costs money | 20:41 |
| tko | come to think of it, isn't there opie or gpe rootfs out there already? somehow hooked up with bme I suppose. so wtf? | 20:42 |
| acydlord | and also the underpowered HW gets better battery life from a cellular phone battery | 20:42 |
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| lle2 | mgedmin: yeah, sure it costs money, but so does maintaining all that sw too | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | that's true, but people who demand software aren't the ones who do the maintaining :) | 20:43 |
| maddler | brb | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | best out of both worlds would be to trick a lot of volunteers to do the maintaining | 20:44 |
| lle2 | that would be achieved by putting debian there? | 20:44 |
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| mgedmin | which is where freeness of the platform may be an issue | 20:44 |
| AndrewGearhart | mgedmin: thanks. I was just looking for the viewer... didn't realize that it would install the .deb files... more and more impressed with the device everyday! ;-) | 20:46 |
| tko | I wonder why people aren't jumping to contribute to the gpe build already? | 20:46 |
| lle2 | I personally think Ari Jaaksi should've just pulled the plug, take the flak, and move on | 20:48 |
| lle2 | but that's just me | 20:48 |
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| lle2 | now nokia is stuck with a promise we can't keep properly | 20:48 |
| maddler | doh! 2GB is better than 1! :D | 20:48 |
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| lle2 | blogs are evil, they make otherwise sensible humans do stupid things | 20:50 |
| lle2 | pretty much precisely like the gps car navigators that tell people to drive into a toilet | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | heh | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | 'blogas' means "bad" in Lithuanian | 20:52 |
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| paul-best | I wonder if the people working for dictionaries of the english language have that listed as a root. | 20:55 |
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| dragorn | bill20r3: Not compiled into a package yet because it doesn't work properly and isn't hildonized. If you really want, compile the gtk app in sb, and thats what you get | 21:19 |
| bill20r3 | k | 21:20 |
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| dragorn | bill20r3: I'm rewriting the universal gtk app to handle the new control system for it and such, I'll add hildonization to that | 21:23 |
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| Knowledge | you could install KDE on the n800? instead of...the current manager? | 22:27 |
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| tigert | why? | 22:30 |
| tigert | we built Enlightenment e17 for it | 22:31 |
| tigert | but it does not make any sense to run that kind of an ui on a portable touchscreen device | 22:31 |
| dragorn | Knowledge: yes, and someone here has done it, forget who. | 22:31 |
| koen_ | tigert: people don't seem to grasp 'touchscreen' '220 dpi' 'no keyboard' | 22:31 |
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| Knowledge | lol, I don't want to run it, I just thought it's cool as hell that you could. | 22:32 |
| Knowledge | Enlightenment e17? | 22:32 |
| tigert | koen: yeah | 22:32 |
| tigert | http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ | 22:32 |
| koen | I ran e17 on my netbook because it handles screen redraw intelligently, as opposed to mb-desktop | 22:32 |
| tigert | yea | 22:32 |
| koen | 800x600 on a slow 16bit bus isn't fun | 22:32 |
| tigert | E17 ran okay when I disabled drop shadows | 22:33 |
| tigert | but the ui concept does not make any sense | 22:33 |
| tigert | ie, it was a "cool hack" | 22:33 |
| tigert | though it was just a matter of building it from sources, not that big of a hack | 22:33 |
| koen | e17 relies on a zillion keybinding and 3 mouse buttons | 22:33 |
| koen | OTOH, almost all elements are scalable to any size you want | 22:34 |
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| keesj | koen did you see the eem demo? | 22:42 |
| koen | yes | 22:42 |
| koen | mallum and I pestered raster to make that video :) | 22:42 |
| keesj | I heard that the canola people might want to use evas | 22:43 |
| keesj | O , I see | 22:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | keesj: yep, we're experimenting with it | 22:43 |
| keesj | I think is't a nice idea the way widgets are described in evas | 22:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | keesj: evas doesn't handle widgets | 22:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | keesj: we're using evas/edje... no widgets so far | 22:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | widgets are provided by etk or ewl | 22:44 |
| keesj | I stopped at edje I just did not get it | 22:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | that's not planed, it colides with gtk | 22:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | keesj: edje is a powerful theme engine, with animation and scripting support, built in | 22:45 |
| Knowledge | tigert: is there a how to anywhere for Elightenment? I actually like that much more than KDE | 22:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | Knowledge: you won't need a how to... | 22:46 |
| k-s[WORK] | just download svn, compile in the order written on their website and you're done | 22:46 |
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| Knowledge | bah, I'm too much of a n00b | 22:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | Knowledge: do you know how to ./configure && make && make install? | 22:47 |
| Knowledge | haha, ok...maybe not that much of a n00b | 22:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | Knowledge: so you're done | 22:48 |
| Knowledge | k-s[WORK]: I do this on the n800 (sorry if this is obvious...) | 22:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | Knowledge: ah... so you need to do the process inside scratchbox | 22:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | Knowledge: but to run it when device boots, you need to modify device's startup | 22:49 |
| Knowledge | Yeah, that's where I would see myself getting lost | 22:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | Knowledge: but as already said, not much to see... it was made for desktop with 3 buttons and keyboards :-/ | 22:49 |
| Knowledge | so just stick to...the current desktop manager? | 22:50 |
| tigert | you really cannot do anything with Enlightenment on N800 | 22:50 |
| tigert | because there is no input methods or anything | 22:50 |
| tigert | its just a pretty toy | 22:50 |
| k-s[WORK] | yep | 22:50 |
| tigert | nothing really works when you cannot type anything | 22:50 |
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| tigert | and it is very silly to drag windows around | 22:51 |
| k-s[WORK] | kkito is creating a kde4 build... while not so fancy, it far more useful | 22:51 |
| k-s[WORK] | so if you want to play with something... give him a hand | 22:51 |
| Knowledge | Yeah, I thought the prospect of installing KDE was pretty cool, till I thought about how small the screen is....not so useful. | 22:52 |
| dragorn | as far as input methods go, making something that sends xtest kb events when you tap a key onscreen is trivial | 22:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | Knowledge: n800 screen is not so small... we used to run desktops at 640x480 less than 10 year ago :-) | 22:53 |
| Jaffa | It is *small*, it's just not very low res. | 22:53 |
| Knowledge | yeah...physically small | 22:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | ah, yep | 22:54 |
| dragorn | as is using /usr/share/dict for autocomplete, if for whatever reason the maemo input system isn't available, i think the onscreen kb entry is the least of the obstacles and problems to using another wm | 22:54 |
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| k-s[WORK] | dragorn: kde and gnome have their vkb, i think | 22:54 |
| dragorn | k-s[WORK]: Wouldn't surprise me at all | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | I still maintain you get more information on a netBook's 640x480 screen than an N800's 800x480 screen, simply because stuff has to be so much larger in terms of pixels on the N800 to be visible. The default Maemo font sizes compare with the amount of information on a Revo's 480x240 screen (IMHO) | 22:55 |
| dragorn | k-s[WORK]: it's not a hard thing to do at all, i've written xtest before and it's a nice enough API :) | 22:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 22:55 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: I'll take high-dpi and large font over low-dpi any day tho | 22:55 |
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| * Jaffa shrugs, if I can't see all of my calendar because the font's too large it's not meeting my requirements, no matter how pretty and stunning the screen is. | 22:56 | |
| dragorn | You can, typically, see smaller fonts more clearly on a high-dpi screen | 22:57 |
| dragorn | the 770/800 screen doesn't give me much trouble at all | 22:57 |
| maddler | Jaffa: yep... default font size is too big for me... | 22:59 |
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| maddler | having a 10px font size would be fine... | 22:59 |
| ||cw | so change it | 22:59 |
| * Jaffa 's not been able to shrink the font size on 2007v3 either. | 22:59 | |
| maddler | still didn't tried that on N800 to be honest... | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | My existing 12pt theme doesn't work (well, the theme changes, but the font size stays the same), and a 12pt version of Plankton's not working either. | 23:00 |
| maddler | tried launching theme-cacher? | 23:00 |
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| Jaffa | Yup. And removing the created .cache files, no difference. | 23:01 |
| maddler | btw... while playing with ~ mountpoint I had an "incomplete" theme loaded... | 23:02 |
| maddler | and font size was of about 10px... | 23:02 |
| maddler | not sure I can explain what I had on my screen... :) | 23:03 |
| Knowledge | I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record, but as of right now, it would be somewhat sensless to install another window manager until kkito comes out with his miniKDE version? | 23:03 |
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| maddler | Knowledge: dunno... it basically depends on you... | 23:05 |
| maddler | Knowledge: I'd say "no"... | 23:05 |
| maddler | but... your choice... :) | 23:05 |
| Knowledge | I'll take your suggestion. | 23:05 |
| Knowledge | one more thing for now, does download.maemo.org work for anyone? | 23:05 |
| maddler | it wasn't this morning... | 23:06 |
| maddler | didn't checked again today... | 23:06 |
| Knowledge | oh ok | 23:06 |
| Knowledge | just checking. I thought I was trippin | 23:06 |
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| zorrolero | hi, where have the kernel-images gone? iirc, they were in the application-catalog. | 23:07 |
| koen | talking about font point sizes is funny on a device that claims to be 96 dpi | 23:07 |
| maddler | koen: N800/700 are > 200 IIRC | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | X declares itself otherwise for "compatibility" | 23:08 |
| maddler | I felt comfortable with 10~12pxl on 770 | 23:08 |
| koen | maddler: ~220 dpi, but xpdyinfo tells something else | 23:09 |
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| maddler | koen: oh... ok... | 23:09 |
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| unique311 | back like crack | 23:13 |
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| bill20r3 | anyone know if there's a libjpeg deb for the n800? | 23:14 |
| unique311 | oooh I love the simple launcher..kudos to the porter | 23:14 |
| suihkulokki | bill20r3: there is one already installed on the device.. | 23:14 |
| bill20r3 | oh, maybe it was just my scratchbox that didn't have it then | 23:14 |
| unique311 | hmmm applications link is still down on maemo.org | 23:15 |
| bill20r3 | I was trying to compile Motion | 23:15 |
| suihkulokki | did you install the rootstrap? | 23:15 |
| maddler | unique311: b0unc3 is also working on something similar... with some improvements I'd say... | 23:15 |
| unique311 | cool | 23:15 |
| unique311 | can't wait | 23:15 |
| maddler | unique311: yep.. Idea will be a lot more configurable than simple launcher... | 23:15 |
| bill20r3 | I probablly botched the whole thing, I was just kind of stumbling thru it. | 23:15 |
| unique311 | ok, how sad..TMNT knocked 300 out the box... | 23:16 |
| maddler | and it's also resizeable | 23:16 |
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| zorrolero | anyone here using nfs-mounts? | 23:19 |
| Knowledge | Certificate cannot identify the server when I try to download from garage.maemo.org? what's that about? | 23:19 |
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| zorrolero | disq: ping | 23:29 |
| zorrolero | disq: check this page http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006?action=info and diff between rev 575 + 576, your edits! you've deleted a lot!! ,) | 23:32 |
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| zorrolero | disq: repair it!! :) | 23:32 |
| Knirch | I thought it was a wiki :) | 23:32 |
| Knirch | why don't YOU repair it? :D | 23:32 |
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| zorrolero | Knirch: i'm not really familiar with wikis, maybe i destroy more then i repair!! ,) | 23:34 |
| zorrolero | same for disq, maybe!?! ,) | 23:34 |
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| zorrolero | Knirch: dou you think it's just copy + paste of the yellow marked text? or is there special syntax missing? | 23:40 |
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| * sp3000 giggles | 23:42 | |
| sp3000 | I hit revert for the offending rev, and it reverted ...something entirely different :D | 23:42 |
| sp3000 | ah, it doesn't revert changes, it reverts to revs | 23:44 |
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| sp3000 | clearly, I suck | 23:44 |
| sp3000 | but that one is easy to fix at least | 23:44 |
| dolfun_afk | us stupid people have to help each other | 23:44 |
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| * sp3000 fixed his "fix" | 23:45 | |
| sp3000 | zorrolero: are you touching it now or shall I? | 23:46 |
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| zorrolero | sp3000: i touch nothing | 23:47 |
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| * sp3000 touches it, then | 23:47 | |
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| zorrolero | sp3000: thx | 23:50 |
| sp3000 | k, shuold be good now | 23:50 |
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| konttori | I released a bug fix version of Media Center. Fixes issues with people who have less than 20 albums. Slighly faster updates, UI improvements, such as bigger fonts. | 23:54 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1135/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview2.deb | 23:54 |
| tigert | konttori: trying to test it :) | 23:55 |
| tigert | but my memory card doesnt like me currently :) | 23:55 |
| tigert | looks nice | 23:55 |
| konttori | tigert: if you have python 2.5 let me know if it works or not. | 23:55 |
| tigert | yea, will once I get some music on this | 23:55 |
| konttori | I haven't been able to install python 2.5. | 23:55 |
| konttori | tigert: get at least a few hundred megs. | 23:56 |
| tigert | yeah | 23:56 |
| tigert | hm | 23:56 |
| konttori | Oh, also new version will ignore hidden folders when searching MMCs. | 23:56 |
| tigert | it doesnt give a startup banner at least | 23:56 |
| dolfun | does anybody else want to play with sdl demos and pixel doubling? | 23:56 |
| tigert | but it started | 23:56 |
| sp3000 | apropos, anyone happen to know when the sauna in ruoholahti is on in the morning | 23:57 |
| konttori | tigert: I'll try to look deper into the service file to get the banner to appear | 23:57 |
| daniels | sp3000: 8am, i think | 23:57 |
| sp3000 | my bathroom is closed to floor work for the week :) | 23:57 |
| tigert | sp3000: from 8 I guess | 23:57 |
| tigert | at least | 23:57 |
| dolfun | i'm too stupid to reverse engineer the black box | 23:57 |
| tigert | perhaps even earlier | 23:57 |
| dolfun | really, i'm sorry. i'm too dumb | 23:57 |
| daniels | not that anyone's even awake at 8am, obviously | 23:57 |
| tigert | daniels: so you think :D | 23:57 |
| sp3000 | the last info I have is 6-9 but it's a few years old | 23:57 |
| tigert | there are people in the gym in the morning too I guess | 23:57 |
| tigert | I think it was until 11 | 23:57 |
| sp3000 | I'm mostly interested in the trailing edge, surprise ;) | 23:57 |
| tigert | but check to make sure | 23:58 |
| * sp3000 can't check from here for tomorrow | 23:58 | |
| tigert | hmm | 23:58 |
| tigert | mediacenter crashes | 23:58 |
| tigert | maybe I need to add music indeed | 23:58 |
| daniels | sp3000: the intranet says 6-9am, and 3-9pm | 23:59 |
| sp3000 | thanks | 23:59 |
| daniels | np | 23:59 |
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| daniels | not that you want to get up at 6am though, that's insane | 23:59 |
| sp3000 | indeed | 23:59 |
| daniels | i went to sleep at 5am yesterday, now that's sensible | 23:59 |
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