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MetaBookfoziSwho know h9 in europe?00:21
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|tbb|where can i look at the improved things of the new bora image?01:52
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unique311Update...man im late02:34
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unique311_any personal feedback on the update?02:49
unique311_simplified ...worth it or not?02:49
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unique311anyone alive...05:16
unique311feck the saturday i choose not to go out...irc is dead...05:16
unique311guessing irc is always dead on saturday05:17
Paul_BestI'm alive, but I'm a nobody.05:20
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Paul_BestI'm currently considering getting a n800 and getting involved.05:21
unique311im nobody also..05:22
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unique311you're not alone paul05:22
Paul_Bestyou might know this then, is there a better place for discussion and general questions about the n800?05:24
Paul_Bestalso, I'm curious as to whether the gtkmm bindings are available, which is probably a more appropriate question for this channel.05:25
unique311no better place than this...05:25
Paul_Bestok, then.05:27
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Paul_Bestthe firmware update from yesterday has better bluetooth support listed.05:28
Paul_Bestso is there an up to date list of supported bt keyboards?05:28
unique311i guess05:29
unique311i just did the update05:29
unique311its cool05:29
unique311youtube is cool on it now..05:29
Paul_Bestgood to know.05:29
unique311not best but better than it was before..05:29
unique311notice that the applications link on maemo.org is not working..05:29
Paul_Bestyeah, I've just been reading posts about limitations of the video hardware05:30
unique311so i'm stuck using factory default crap that comes with the n800\05:30
Paul_BestI noticed that as well.05:30
unique311whats up with maemo.org05:30
unique311?05:30
danielsPaul_Best: the only officially supported keyboards are the ones you see in the list.  we haven't tested that much else.05:31
danielsalso note that youtube performance issues have absolutely nothing to do with video hardware limitations, as it doesn't use hardware acceleration for video (this is a flash design decision).05:31
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Paul_Bestdaniels: ok, where is the list, that would be a good starting point.05:32
danielsPaul_Best: on keyboards> but basically everything else should still work fine; it's pretty difficult to get it wrong (although stowaway, among others, have really tried)05:32
danielsPaul_Best: on the device, in the keyboard applet.  though iirc there's only two: nokia su-8w, and itech vkb.05:32
danielsas i said though, everything else should still work05:33
Paul_Bestdaniels: I don't have the device yet, so I'm asking in advance here.05:33
danielsi know some other guys were testing with some logitech kit which worked okay05:33
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danielsi had one stowaway keyboard which had _really_ weird behaviour for the backslash, but that's about the only weird one i've heard of05:33
unique311daniels do you know whats going on with the applications link on maemo.org?05:34
unique311nvm05:35
unique311got it05:35
unique311http://test.maemo.org/downloads/05:35
Paul_Bestdaniels: My main interest in the n800 is the 'almost gnome' environment, I've been looking around, is there a complete package listing?05:37
danielsPaul_Best: not afaik05:37
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Paul_Bestdo you know what gtk bindings are available?05:41
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killfillhi!05:44
danielsPaul_Best: c, maybe python05:45
danielsdon't think c++ is installed per default05:45
killfilljust send a mail to the -user list.. but anyway..05:45
killfillim about to buy on of thie N800, and looking at this: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874128&CatId=241105:45
killfilldo you think N800 will catch it?05:45
Paul_Bestok, I ask because one application I'd really like to have available would be a svg editor, and inkscape seems the most likely candidate.05:46
killfilli know SDHC 4G works.. but could not find any stoyies about 805:46
killfillstories05:46
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obra'evening. I recall hearing about an osso-xterm variant with an overlay thumb-keyboard UI a few weeks back. Am I hallucinating?05:48
killfillany comments?.. :P05:49
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danielskillfill: sdhc 4gb does _not_ work05:52
danielskillfill: there is no sdhc support, full stop.  there are some byte-addressed 4gb cards which work by luck, but that's it.05:52
danielskillfill: the link you posted is an 8gb cf card, btw ... the n800 doesn't take cf.05:53
killfilloh.. right its a cf05:54
killfilldaniels: but ive read on the planet, ppl are applying patches to make the kernel see 4G.. what doyou mean by "byte-addressed"?05:54
killfillhttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2705725&CatId=2413  <--- thats an SHDC.. :P05:55
danielskillfill: sdhc involves addressing by blocks, rather than absolute size.  you can get 4gb cards which are not sdhc.05:56
danielskillfill: hence, byte-addressed05:57
danielskillfill: there are some patches for sdhc support which should have no problems with the 8gb cards, but it's not in the official image05:57
danielsanyway, it's 6am05:57
killfilloh05:57
killfillok, ill take me chance with the 8G and the unofficial patches :)05:58
killfillg'night!05:58
killfillor morning?.. :P05:58
Paul_BestUTC+2 time?05:59
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Markovdoes anyone else have ne nokia su w8 keyboard?06:15
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Paul_Bestok, so there are third party extensions for sdhc cards, and ext3.06:44
Paul_BestSo would I be right in thinking that I could get some big cards for the n800 and hook up a quite large external usb hard drive to it?06:45
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Markov_hello?07:09
Markov_nokia bluetooth keyboard?07:09
Markov_anyone?07:10
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nelsonMarkov_: what about it?07:41
Markov_nelson: do you have one?07:57
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MSchoenHello all.08:10
nelsonMarkov_: ahhhh, no, I have this:    http://blog.russnelson.com/chordite08:16
Markov_ahh ha08:18
Markov_looks neat08:18
nelsonThanks!  Working on better electronics right now.  Lower power, smaller, and HID profile.08:18
obraruss: how much further are you than what you had at EuroOSCON?08:21
nelsonobra: mechanically, sturdier and smaller.  Switches now on a flex PC board.  Same radio + processor, though.08:22
nelsonobra: don't have piccies of the current one.   /me==lamer08:22
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obracool.08:22
nelsonYeah, but Broadcom is being a PITA.  They're the most anal profitable chip maker I've ever seen.08:23
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zuhPaul_Best: I have a 4GB SDHC card which works fine (with the recompiled kernel), but usb host mode has no working drivers yet (it's on the maemo roadmap but...) so the external hard drive is not possible atm.10:50
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konttoriMorning all!13:18
superbiagod morning...13:23
superbiathis maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh is broken... first it wastes my times downloading things twice then it complains that some permissions isn't as it should be, and starts again... :S13:24
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sbaturzioaloha!14:34
kulvehow is osso_mime_set_cb() supposed to work? I get the callback if my app is running, but I don't get it, if it's not running. Then it's just started up..14:37
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keesjit looks like bt transfer is 50% broken again16:24
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unique311maemo.org under maintainance?16:48
unique311having issues with it..16:48
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keesjunique311: special parts of it?16:50
keesjunique311 I don't think It is under maintenance, I think they are constantely improving the service :p16:54
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unique311ok17:06
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kkitois usb host support enabled on the new firmw?17:40
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unique311can the n800 do .swf17:48
unique311?17:48
Robot101unique311: yes17:49
unique311k17:50
unique311tried opening..a file name calculator.SWF and it says cannot open file..17:51
unique311this is part of a package i got from a playstation portable psp site..17:52
unique311where they have a bunch of flash stuff for the psp..17:52
unique311http://psp-news.dcemu.co.uk/psp-flash-homebrew.shtml17:52
unique311was thinking it they work i could hack some of the packages up and make them for the n80017:53
Robot101you need to open them in the browser17:53
unique311i know17:53
Robot101no idea then, sorry17:54
unique311k it works, opening it from opera..17:54
unique311string is not right...17:55
unique311have to edit the paths, guessing the portal is made to run from the root folder..i have it running in mmc217:55
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playmaemobilHe maemo people thanks for the software update and webcam app http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/58_53_21-230307.jpg18:46
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Markovwhat the hell is that gray dot near france on maemomapper and how do i get rid of it (or move it)?19:09
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kulvehow do I launch a file from file manager with selected app? I starts kilikali when I click on ogg, but the mime callback doesn't get called. It works on a second click, when kilikali is already running.19:41
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ptmanWhy can't I get my n800 to run mke2fs on a 2gb regular SD card with only one partition?19:57
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dolfun_do you have a card reader19:58
ptmanas root I execute: mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p119:58
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ptmanand it always stops at some point19:58
ptmanno19:58
ptmanbut I could use my desktop computer with the n800 connected via usb as a card reader19:58
dolfuni'd wonder about sd card errors, and by testing it on another reader / device, you could see if it were related to the sd card or the nokia19:59
keesjperhaps try a differnt card into your nokia?20:08
dolfunyep, standard troubleshooting procedure20:10
dolfunthey should teach the principles at school20:10
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guerbyhi, I get "This site has sent an untrusted certificate - Certificate cannot identify the server" when I (try to) connect to http://www.fon.com with N800 / 2007.1020:43
guerbycould someone check the site?20:43
guerby(my desktop can connect without problem)20:44
guerbykeesj, you around?20:45
dolfunwhat happens when you connect with pc20:46
guerbydolfun, all works fine on the site20:47
guerbycertificate seems to come from UTN20:47
dolfuncan't help20:47
guerbydolfun, do you have a N800?20:47
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guerbyif so just try to connect to http://www.fon.com/ enter anything as user/pass and click login20:48
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Stregguerby: for invalid email/password it loads just fine.20:54
guerbyStreg, goes to an https URL?20:55
Stregit does.20:55
guerbyStreg, ok I'm removing the existing certificates20:56
guerbyStreg, no change21:00
guerbyno idea of what's going on with my N800...21:00
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Tuomasguerby: maybe your N800 just doesn't have a root certificate for that site?21:02
guerbyTuomas, well it worked two days ago21:02
guerbyTuomas, I'm rebooting...21:02
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Tuomasguerby: for me it complains about the cert on https://fon.com/ but not with https://www.fon.com/21:09
guerbyTuomas, ok so you do get a complaint!21:09
Tuomasjust tried21:09
guerbyTuomas, I rebooted and now the problem is no longer there21:10
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guerbynow I'm trying to connect to my FON wifi...21:11
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uNtouchedI got a quick question for those who are willing to help. How do I get my device into flash mode when booting from MMC2?21:12
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guerbyTuomas, thanks for helping out! all is fine now...21:14
Tuomasno problem :)21:14
uNtouchedanyone know? Because holding the home key down doesn't do anything21:17
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dolfunguerby: no i dont21:38
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kulveuNtouched: depends what you are doing, etc.21:40
keesjguerby yes21:47
guerbykeesj, dolfun problem now solved :)21:48
keesjgreat :P21:48
guerbykeesj, the good old windows way: reboot21:52
keesjthe  n800 does not even need user interaction to reboot :p21:52
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guerbykeesj, no reboot since I installed 2007.1021:53
guerbyyet21:53
guerbyhmmm my internal card is now full of garbage...21:55
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keesjI need to get the sdhc card working again :P , it really looks like the power management is way better then it used to be.21:55
keesjstill this morning the device was off. I don't know if that was a reboot.21:56
guerbysince the swap was on it that may explain the bizarre behaviour21:56
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guerbyok the fat32 is total garbage22:01
ptmanok, so I got another SD card, and was able to mke2fs on it22:02
ptmanbut now I can only mount it ro22:02
ptmanand I've checked that it doesn't have the lock switch on22:02
uNtouchedkulve: I'm trying to update the firmware on my n800, but I don't know if I should after reading the forum, since you can't boot from MMC with the new firmware yet22:02
ptmanuNtouched: Why can't you?22:03
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uNtouchedbut either way, I can't even get it to boot up into update mode, I hold the home key and power it on, and it goes to the boot selection, I select while holding the home key and get the same deal22:03
guerbymay be it was because I was too battery low a few hours ago...22:03
uNtouchedptman: I don't know, that's what I was under the impression of..22:03
ptmanuNtouched: at least the is a initfs_flasher.tgz available that should be compatible with the new firmware22:04
ptmanI'm trying to get there myself, but I'm having problems with the SD card22:04
guerbyanyway reformating from my PC22:05
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uNtouchedptman, I see, so I coudl follow the same method from the "how to" section in the maemo wiki22:05
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ptmanhopefully, I can't verify it yet22:05
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VeggenHmm. I wonder. where does the "home page" settings live?22:06
VeggenWhat if one made an app that could save a snapshot of them? and switch between several such snapshots? wouldn't you sort of have a "tabbed home page" then?22:07
uNtouchedptman: you're having trouble booting up into the flashermode too?22:08
ptmanno22:08
uNtouchedoh22:08
ptmanI'm having problems cloning my system from flash to sd22:08
uNtouchedI see...22:08
uNtouchedthat's odd man, I haven't seen anyone on the forums having the issue that I'm having either22:09
Veggenbad usb cable?22:09
uNtouchedVeggen: Me?22:10
Veggenmm.22:10
uNtouchednahh, I hold home and power up, and it doesn't go into the bootloader mode...22:10
ptmanuNtouched: try disconnecting the power cable, removing the battery, then plugging those back in, putting the flasher tool ready on the PC, connecting USB, then power up your device with home held down22:11
uNtouchedson of a...man, I was trying to boot it up THEN connecting the usb cable...I didn't think it was critical for me to connect the usb cable then do the home and powerup....22:12
uNtouchedI feel like an ass22:12
ptmandid it work?22:12
uNtouchedyeah22:12
ptmangood22:12
uNtouchedthanks mann22:12
ptmanno problem22:12
Veggen(glad to help :)22:13
uNtouchedhaha, when Veggen said something about the USB cable being bad, I thought "what would that have to do with it....ohhhh, you're supposed to connect it first!"...then ptman typed that up and confirmed it22:15
uNtouchedI really should read EVERY step22:15
uNtouchedthat was really quick22:19
ptmanseems like my damn SD card might be faulty22:21
ptmanbut seems also that every time I redo this I get a bit longer22:21
ptmanso maybe the cards or controllers logic finds the broken sectors and remaps them22:21
uNtouchedptman: what are you doing?22:22
ptmancan't belive that this Kingston memory that I bought last summer and only used occasinally in my digicam is this broken22:22
ptmantarring the contents of the flash and untarring them on the SD22:22
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ptman# /tar-temp/bin/tar cf - -C /floppy . | /tar-temp/bin/tar xvf - -C /opt22:23
ptmanslightly modified22:23
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uNtouchedptman: I'm using a kingston. If it's SD M02G on the back? throw it away...SOME work, some don't22:32
uNtouchedit's a toshiba flash card.22:32
uNtouchedI bought one from microcenter for $16 (2gb) and it didn't work. SDM02G. Bought one from Fry's Electronics with the same thing stamped on the back, and it worked...22:33
uNtouchedI don't understand it22:33
uNtouchedThe microcenter one had a microcenter sticker on it. The one from fry's is a kingston22:33
ptmanit says: Kingston SD/2GB 94112-955.A00LF P804104-0762170 X01 and on the back: 20670-001.A00LF 2364191 TAIWAN SK4112-955.A00LF22:34
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ptmanbut my other SD, A Transcend and definately new didn't even format22:35
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konttoriHey guys. Anyone interested in a Nice media player and wanting to try it out?22:38
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ptmandefinately22:38
konttoriIf you say yes AND have already python installed, go to : https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1132/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0.deb22:38
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konttoriIf not, install python first and then install that.22:38
ptmanif not interested? =)22:39
konttoriMove along22:39
konttoriFilter it out.22:39
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ptmani just meant that your if not was ambiguos, but apparently the moment already passed22:39
konttoriAnyway, I'm very interested in hearing if the installer works and that player works22:40
konttoriPlayer scans all mp3 s from mmc1 and mmc222:40
konttoriIt will download covers for all cds on startup. You need to have net connection open for that to work22:40
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uNtouchedkonttori: Beta?22:50
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konttoriYeah. Quite so22:52
uNtouchedptman: I had a Transcend 1GB MMCMobile...which just didn't want to format at all! I don't remember what I did, but thru xterm, on the 770 I was about to get it to work, I think I formatted it with....hmm vfat? or ext3. I can't remember exactly22:52
uNtouchedkonttori: If you need someone to test it and give input back, I'd be willing...22:52
konttoriuNtouched: cool. Do you have python on your device?22:52
uNtouchedI will once I'm done doing the boot from MMC deal.22:53
uNtouchedI'm currently in the process22:53
konttorigreat.22:53
konttori770 or N800?22:53
konttoriDo you have much music on your device?22:53
uNtouchedptman: just to give you some hope, with the transcend, I called Transcend directly, and asked them, and they said "oh, our memory cards don't support that format...you can't format it with anything else but Fat/Fat32"...22:54
uNtouchedI'm pretty sure it was ext3, do that first then format with Vfat22:54
uNtouchedmkvfat is it?...22:54
ptmanbut I don't want vfat22:54
ptmanI want a POSIX filesystem22:54
uNtouchedkonttori: 800, and yes, about a gig or so worth22:55
konttoriI haven't ever tested it on device with less than 50 albums. Might cause problems if you have music from less than 20 albums.22:55
ptmanand I can't belive a fscking block device has any opinion on what filesystem gets created on it22:55
konttoriOk, cool. I have to do the 'only few almums' test soon.22:55
uNtouchedptman: man, I'm sorry, but I have shit for memory, now that I think about it, I think I did it with partition manager under windows...22:55
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uNtouchedptman: that's exactly what I said to them, how can a memory device have ANY sort of say in what it gets formatted in22:57
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uNtouchedI went through days of hell trying to get it to work, but I managed to do it in the end.22:57
ptmanso did you get it formatted with ext2/3 or only vfat?22:58
dolfunflash cards aren't just media, but have logic22:58
ptmanmy digicam happyily formats any one of these cards as vfat, so I don't have problems with that one22:58
dolfunlast i heard22:58
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ptmanI thought the logic was in the controller, which only on CompactFlash media resider on the card22:59
dolfunoh i think you may be correct22:59
uNtouchedptman: I could format it with whatever I want now. If you would like, I could try formatting mine to see if it works...23:00
uNtouchedI don't mind doing that23:00
ptmanthe flash that came with the n800 works fine, but it's damn small23:00
ptmanuNtouched: that would be awfully nice of you23:00
ptmanuNtouched: so after formatting it as vfat, you could format it as anything you like?23:00
uNtouchedI'm pretty sure that's what it was...23:01
uNtouchedhmm, I just upgraded my N800, did the boot from MMC bit, and all my programs are intact when I booted from MMC...I didn't format the MMC card, is that OK?23:02
ptmanit is, but now you aren't running the update if you boot from MMC23:03
uNtouchedwell the firmware version changed...23:03
ptmanhmm...23:03
uNtouchedyeah, that's what I'm saying23:04
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uNtouchedit's strange....23:05
konttorioh, for the media player, use arrow keys to move up down in albums, or use dragging on screen to do the same. Click on album to see content, clisk on song to start to play. Middle button in dpad acts as play/pause. Use fullscreen button to go fullscreen and back.23:06
konttoriLet me know of any comments.23:06
konttorithanks!23:06
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uNtouchedkonttori: where could I download it from?23:07
uNtouchedanyone else know if it's ok to not format the MMC card?23:08
uNtouchedptman: how exactly are you trying to format the card?23:10
unique311i just hacked up a n800 portal...anyone care to try it out...and let me know what ya think?23:10
ptmanuNtouched: mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p123:11
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konttorihttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1132/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0.deb23:12
konttoriYou need to have python installed23:13
konttoriI'll make a nice installer page tomorrow with links to python install.23:13
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uNtouchedumount /dev/mmcblk0p1?23:15
uNtouchedfirst?23:15
ptmanI've done that23:15
ptmanit won't even start if that is mounted23:15
uNtouchedyeah, I can't umount my card..23:15
uNtouchedhmmm23:15
uNtouchedit says invalid arguement23:15
ptmanand it will even tell that the error is that it's mounted, so it was pretty easy to figure out23:16
uNtouchedhmm...odd, I cant umount23:16
ptmanI even tried cloning my system to the 128MB mini-SD that came with the device, couldn't get it to boot from that either23:16
ptmanmaybe I'll just try to do something different tomorrow23:17
ptmanright now I'm gettings a bit tired23:17
ptmanuNtouched: thank you for your help23:17
ptman'nite23:17
uNtouchednp, sorry i couldn't be of more help23:17
unique311http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=KU8MHJ9H23:18
unique311try it out23:18
uNtouchedone question...for whoever could answer...how could I adjust the default boot, and time in the boot menu?23:18
uNtouchedoh, and is it ok that after I flashed my firmware, I redid the boot from MMC, but all my programs and such are in tact...23:19
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unique311konttori: mediacenter have any screenshots?23:20
unique311konttori: mediacenter have any screenshots?23:20
tkois there any reasonable way to add 150 html files to fbreader ?23:21
koentko: hire an intern23:23
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tkoand here I was thinking computers are good at doing boring repetitive stuff23:26
dolfunbash script?23:26
unique311http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=KU8MHJ9H23:26
dolfunwhat's that unique31123:26
unique311can somebody try out my n800 portal and let me know what they think23:26
unique311based on psp'23:26
unique311portals23:27
dolfunlink gives me a redirect loop23:27
unique311its megaupload..23:27
unique311i dohold on23:27
unique311when it redirects ya to ebay...click on skip this ad...23:28
unique311lol23:28
unique311at the very top right23:28
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unique311it should go back to the download link...23:28
unique311unzip, install to either mmc1 or 223:28
unique311and run home.html23:29
chibiAcydit says the file it temp unavailable23:29
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unique311k, find another place to upload it..23:30
Prez_hello...23:30
Prez_new software upgrade for N800, someone try it yet?23:30
Magiwhat does the portal do?23:30
chibiAcydwhen did it come out?23:30
Prez_2 days ago..23:31
Prez_downloading it now...23:31
Magiprez: yeah, solves some annoying things, but not everything23:31
chibiAcydhaven't tried it yet, i'll get it later today23:31
keesjplenty of covereage yet don't you read planet.maemo.org?23:31
Magivideo playing is really faster than before, but it would be nice to find some videos to play...damn bad video codec support23:31
chibiAcydi've been partying since last weekend lol23:31
unique311http://files.ww.com/files/30251.html23:31
unique311here's the portal..23:32
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keesjit looks like a kernel upgrade to me, and it it less battery hungry23:32
keesjI think it is a welcome but not sexy update23:33
Magithe camera app is completety useless, lags some 5-30 seconds and freezes the application23:33
konttoriunique311: none yet. I can take a few.23:33
keesjunless you watch p0rn on youtube that is23:33
keesjuptime 22:34!23:34
Magiflash playing is still too sluggish to enjoy the porn on youtube23:34
keesjwait , weird , can not be true , I saw it botting this morning23:34
Knirchitym porntube.com23:34
keesjbooting23:34
unique311well alot of flash games and apps, that can be ran via the browser..23:35
unique311and I added a couple of links..23:35
unique311kontorri take a few, i want to check it out..23:36
keesjsomebody once posted a rar file on maemo with flash game23:36
chibiAcydfonts on the buttons are hard to read23:36
unique311K, what camera app..i upgraded last night..i don't see no camera app.23:36
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Magiunique: you have to install it23:37
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Magiit's in the application manager23:37
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unique311Magi no23:38
unique311just unzip...and place on mmc1 or 223:38
unique311then open home.html23:38
Magii'm talking about the camera app23:40
keesjthis one really is a lot faster then it used to be http://www.schooltv.nl/teletubbies/funandgames/animalparade/index.html23:40
konttorihttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1133/UKMPshot1.png23:40
konttoriScreenshot there23:40
keesjunique311: cam app is in the extra's menu23:40
cesmankonttori: looks good!23:41
Prez_anyone know if there is any focus on making more of the menus in the apps mre finger friendly sized, like they are doing on main menus?23:41
cesmandoes it only do audio?23:41
Prez_I think that would make the whole tablet a whole lot better, for example the media player23:41
Prez_if it could all be used with finger...23:41
chibiAcydunique311, the buttons and red text are a bit hard to read on the portal23:41
keesjcanola can23:42
konttorihttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1134/UKMPshot2.png23:42
konttoricesman: thanks23:42
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konttoricesman: Try it out23:42
konttoriI'll make a *proper* release next week, but I'm looking to hear how the current one works.23:43
konttoriYou just need to have python installed.23:43
cesmanperhaps later23:43
* cesman needs to get back to KnoppMyth development23:44
unique311k23:44
unique311any feedback on the portal?23:44
konttoriI'm about to go to bed, but in case you guys do test it out, I'd be glad to hear comments on urho.konttori@gmail.com23:44
keesjthe n800 is not yet aviable in holland? http://www.nokia.nl/nl/telefoons/modellen/index.html23:45
unique311chibiAcyd, I should change the text color right....what you think would do?23:47
unique311chibiAcyd, I should change the text color right....what you think would do?23:47
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_moHi @all23:48
unique311my net connection keeps dropping...23:48
unique311am i spamming?23:48
chibiAcydi'm not sure what color would show up well on that background, maybe white?23:49
konttorikeesj: http://www.nokia.nl/NL/Telefoons/Modellen/N800/features.html23:50
konttoriPerhaps it just isn't listed in the phones section23:50
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keesjand downloads.maemo.org is down. I have had my troubles for today , don't forget it's summertime!23:52
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konttoridev: why won't it install?23:56
konttoriOr are you just unable to install?23:56

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