| Veggen | hmmf. I think if my reinstall-package-strategy shall be effective, I need to filter out the already installed packages. | 00:00 |
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| Veggen | now, I just try to install all packages that was installed before. | 00:01 |
| Veggen | dpkg --set-selections wanted to pull in new busybox. can't have that :) | 00:01 |
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| sp3000 | <notifier> *jingle* you have 5589 unread! | 00:02 |
| * sp3000 goes and reads one | 00:02 | |
| sp3000 | ...a few minutes pass... | 00:02 |
| sp3000 | <notifier> *jingle* you have 5588 unread! | 00:02 |
| sp3000 | gee, thaks | 00:02 |
| sp3000 | n | 00:02 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 04:25 |
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| dick-richardson | I have an sd card I want to remount. My script is | 04:56 |
| dick-richardson | #!/bin/sh | 04:56 |
| dick-richardson | sudo fuser -km /media/mmc1 | 04:56 |
| dick-richardson | sudo umount /media/mmc1 | 04:56 |
| dick-richardson | sudo mount /media/mmc -o rw | 04:56 |
| dick-richardson | but after running the script, the n800 tells me the card isn't inserted. any idea what I'm missing? | 04:56 |
| dick-richardson | the 4th line is 'sudo mount /media/mmc1 -o rw' | 04:57 |
| dick-richardson | if I'm in the wrong room, let me know where I should be | 05:01 |
| daniels | tko: pfft, whatever :P | 05:08 |
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| dolfun | watching the british comedy series 'The IT Crowd'... it's a bit like BOFH on tv :) | 05:57 |
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| Markov | hey. i just got the nokia su 8w keyboard | 06:56 |
| Markov | whenever i push enter in most fields, it brings up the thumb key pad | 06:56 |
| Markov | this is pretty annoying | 06:57 |
| Markov | and what happened to the download.maemo page? | 07:00 |
| Markov | it's all wonky | 07:00 |
| dolfun | Markov: that's interesting, the enter key in synergy also brings up thumb key pad | 07:04 |
| dolfun | probably a different cause | 07:05 |
| dolfun | i've seen similiar stuff with the thinkoutside stowaway kbd. sometimes the thumbkey pad comes up | 07:05 |
| Markov | hmmm. i wonder if i installed i incorrectly... | 07:05 |
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| Markov | i don't think so | 07:10 |
| Markov | and this did not happen before i updated the OS this evening | 07:11 |
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| dolfun | what OS running now? | 07:15 |
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| Markov | 3.2007.10-7 | 07:36 |
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| user__ | SeRi | 09:48 |
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| garrett | I just upgraded my N800 to the latest firmware and now I cannot install any packages -- the application manager complains about not being able to refresh the list | 09:59 |
| garrett | any ideas on how to fix it? | 09:59 |
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| garrett | aha! a bug | 10:03 |
| garrett | if one has proxy settings, it uses that, even if proxy settings are disabled | 10:04 |
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| baa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDnB66kGfhE | 10:47 |
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| * sxpert can now recurse directories in his phone | 11:44 | |
| * sxpert slaps the idiot that came up with that stupid obex crap | 11:44 | |
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| sbaturzio | aloha! | 12:06 |
| dolfun | hi | 12:07 |
| * dolfun wonders if Xsp has changed from mistral to gregale | 12:08 | |
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| Molagi | aah damn that new update improved video playback | 12:15 |
| Molagi | i can play high quality videos with the standard media player | 12:16 |
| Molagi | and they dont freeze at all | 12:16 |
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| dolfun | what OS? | 12:16 |
| mikemorrison | i guess there's no way to install the update without losing all extra installed programs? | 12:16 |
| Molagi | OS 2007 edition v. 3.2007.10-7 | 12:16 |
| dolfun | nice | 12:17 |
| dolfun | mikemorrison: correct | 12:17 |
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| c0ffee | since the backup preserves the sources.list, it should be easy when you only have applications from these sources installed | 12:19 |
| Molagi | yeah was a bit shock when i noticed all the programs were lost :( | 12:19 |
| mikemorrison | i guess i should run the backup prog then! | 12:19 |
| dolfun | any body compile any other sdl programs or demos with pixel-doubling? | 12:19 |
| keesj | I have been searching for the real improvements in the distro. but on thing is for sure, the battery life is back to old 770 day's and that makes me feel so happy | 12:20 |
| keesj | dolfun: we are all waiting for you to fix the problems :p | 12:20 |
| keesj | save the world! | 12:20 |
| dolfun | ok :) | 12:21 |
| keesj | I want it , and if I get time I would like to spend some time enhancing sdl for the arm | 12:21 |
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| keesj | and 16 bpp :p | 12:21 |
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| dolfun | only way to do it is look at xsp internals | 12:23 |
| dolfun | and continue my sdl tutorial | 12:23 |
| dolfun | <- lazy | 12:23 |
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| Okko | Installing mnotify.. The license agreement says "You may make one copy of the Software on magnetic media as an archival backup copy[...]. Any other copies You make of the Software are in violation of this Agreement." | 12:43 |
| Okko | So remember kids, you should not make tar copies of installed packages on flash media :) | 12:44 |
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| keesj | lol , yes the idnt licences are pretty funny to read | 12:52 |
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| keesj | Okko: did you also happen to read the canola licence? | 12:52 |
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| keesj | but I must say that I do like the mail app . I would prefer it to be a home applet | 12:53 |
| Okko | keesj: no, is this the time when someone comes to claim my first born child? :) | 12:53 |
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| keesj | Okko: sorry I don't understand , but In the first paragraph they refer to the "software described below" and in the second the software described above :) | 12:55 |
| keesj | wapourware :p | 12:56 |
| Okko | keesj: it's the common joke to refer to too strict licenses as if they would demand the child of the user | 12:56 |
| keesj | It's time for a 770 v.s. n800 power contest! | 12:56 |
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| Okko | is this mnotify part of maemo platform, it's maintainer is "internet-tablet-addons@nokia.com"? | 12:59 |
| sbaturzio | uhmmm....what happens to GPG key for http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ? It gives me: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 | 12:59 |
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| keesj | Okko I think so, you also see that the quality is above average (help icon's , nice graphics, works the first time and never heard about it on this channel) | 13:02 |
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| keesj | created by little men on the moon | 13:02 |
| keesj | and perhaps even tested | 13:02 |
| Okko | I think so too but I'm unable to tell if nokia thinks it's part of maemo or if there's some other department with little men that creates these addons :) | 13:04 |
| Okko | and how the IT OS and Maemo are related/distinguished | 13:06 |
| keesj | Okko , yes , I also expected the fm-radio to be in the new release. | 13:06 |
| dolfun_xsp | radios next to comptuers = noise | 13:06 |
| tko | roughly: maemo = open source framework + minimum necessary binary only blobs, IT OS = maemo + applications (open + proprietary) | 13:07 |
| Okko | tko: ok so I should not report bugs of those proprietary components of IT OS to bugs.maemo.org? | 13:07 |
| keesj | O no! I have been calling the maemo sdk's it2007 and such | 13:07 |
| tko | Okko, for things that came with the device there's n800 product in bugzilla IIRC | 13:08 |
| tko | for addons.. I've no idea | 13:08 |
| keesj | tko: is there a name for the 2.x releases ? | 13:08 |
| tko | keesj, IIRC, 2.0 = mistral, 2.1 = scirocco, 2.2 = gregale | 13:09 |
| tko | 3.x = bora | 13:09 |
| dolfun_xsp | why don't i see .debs released on garage specify mistral/scirocco/gregale? are they compatible? | 13:10 |
| Okko | well I'll file a couple of bugs of the addons to the N800 product, I'll guess they'll kick them out if that was an unproper place | 13:10 |
| keesj | Okko don't you also wonder why so much google related apps are available? | 13:10 |
| keesj | The radio has some strange things happening in combo with the lock keys | 13:11 |
| Okko | keesj: I have wondered yes. I presume they'll either come out with a Google deal sometime in the future or there's someone at Nokia who loves google products :) | 13:11 |
| tko | things built on mistral will work on any later release, unfortunately it doesn't work the other way round due to our mistake | 13:11 |
| keesj | Okko: for the webmail notifier there is even a control panel entry | 13:12 |
| Okko | keesj: yes and if you click on the settings and then the ? symbol to get help the Help page says "Accounts page - Enter the username and password of your webmail account." | 13:13 |
| Okko | but the page is "Gmail Account", not "Accounts" :) | 13:13 |
| dolfun_xsp | thanks tko | 13:15 |
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| dolfun_xsp | would it be most sensible for me to develop in a gregale / 2.2 environment if my target is 770 users? | 13:26 |
| * dolfun_xsp switches to gregale | 13:30 | |
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| svu__ | Internet call, winapp showing "network error (close). try again later". what could this be? | 13:52 |
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| bingo | hi, I read on planet.maemo.org that there is a "nokia-made"camera application for the N800 is it true? | 13:57 |
| bingo | I know malomo but it's not a nokia-made application | 13:57 |
| kulve | there's "Camera" application | 13:59 |
| kulve | very simple | 13:59 |
| kulve | and nokia made | 14:00 |
| kulve | camera: | 14:00 |
| kulve | Candidate: 2.1 | 14:00 |
| kulve | 500 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora/user Packages | 14:00 |
| bingo | thank you Kulve I will try it | 14:04 |
| svu__ | kulve: it is nice but it clearly shows the lack of sheer cpu power (or memory bandwitdh) ;0 | 14:05 |
| svu__ | ;) | 14:05 |
| kulve | I'm sure if that app shows anything. It seemed quite small and quickly made, so I doubt it's really optimized in any way.. | 14:06 |
| kulve | +not | 14:06 |
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| bingo | kulve camera is great, just what I need | 14:12 |
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| ptman | apparently running canola after installing without rebooting first made my n800 unbootable | 14:26 |
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| ptman | oh, well, I didn't have everything set up after reflashing anyway | 14:27 |
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| disq | why is the camera app so laggy? | 14:37 |
| disq | malomo was laggy too | 14:37 |
| disq | i should get the latest malomo and try that | 14:38 |
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| svu__ | what's the best irc client app for n800? gui, i mean | 14:45 |
| [A]ndy80 | svu: you can use xchat | 14:45 |
| kulve | disq: malomo haven't been very active and the gst pipeline there isn't probably a good place to verify anytihng.. | 14:48 |
| svu__ | [A]ndy80: from which repo? | 14:49 |
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| [A]ndy80 | don't remember... it's on www.maemo.org in repositories | 14:49 |
| * svu__ added them all, still does not see :// | 14:50 | |
| disq | kulve: it's still faster than nokia's camera | 14:53 |
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| dolfun_beer | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/emdebian/target/trunk/xsp/Xsp.c | 15:22 |
| dolfun_beer | :/ | 15:22 |
| * dolfun_beer writes a begging email to Lauri Leukkunen | 15:23 | |
| dolfun_beer | Idea is to call XSPRegisterDSPArea before starting video playback and then wait | 15:24 |
| dolfun_beer | for XSPDSPStoppedEvent, which would indicate that X decided to stop the DSP. | 15:24 |
| dolfun_beer | After video playback is complete (there was no XSPDSPStoppedEvent), XSPCancelDSPArea | 15:24 |
| dolfun_beer | should be called to tell X to no longer monitor the screen area for "intrusions". | 15:24 |
| dolfun_beer | that's a good hint... some how X is detecting 'intrusions' | 15:25 |
| kulve | dolfun_beer: what are you doing..? | 15:25 |
| daniels | dolfun_beer: yes, it detects when someone draws over the video area | 15:25 |
| daniels | why are you using xsp for video, though? | 15:25 |
| dolfun_beer | for sdl game | 15:25 |
| svu__ | found xchat/maemo. hurray | 15:25 |
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| dolfun_beer | it only doubles the currently drawn putrect | 15:25 |
| dolfun_beer | then everything goes back to single | 15:26 |
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| daniels | dolfun_beer: er, setting pixel doubling will do that for you | 15:26 |
| daniels | dolfun_beer: well, that'll double the entire screen | 15:26 |
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| dolfun_beer | i'd like to set doubling and prevent it from going back to single | 15:26 |
| daniels | dolfun_beer: the video stuff in XSP is completely broken, apparently, because we had no apps to test it with until someone tried with the 770 media player on the n800 | 15:27 |
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| daniels | dolfun_beer: okay, so use XSPSetPixelDoubling, and it'll stay doubled until you ask it not to | 15:27 |
| daniels | (the entire screen will be doubled) | 15:27 |
| dolfun_beer | actually no, only the current putrect | 15:27 |
| dolfun_beer | and a number of sdl functions set it back | 15:27 |
| dolfun_beer | i need to lock it to 'on', so i am trying to figure out xsp internals | 15:28 |
| dolfun_beer | daniels: if you have any* sdl demos that work, i would really like to see them | 15:28 |
| dolfun_beer | alternately i can share code that doesn't work :) | 15:28 |
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| dolfun_beer | i've looked at Tak's fceu and xmame, and he's only setting XSPSetPixelDoubling once after SDL Init, and it's staying on | 15:29 |
| daniels | what do you mean, 'it's staying on'? | 15:29 |
| dolfun_beer | the region is staying doubled | 15:30 |
| dolfun_beer | for me, only current putrect is staying doubled, then everything goes back to single | 15:30 |
| daniels | you call XSPSetPixelDoubling, the whole screen is pixel doubled, and then it goes back to not being pixel doubled? | 15:30 |
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| dolfun_beer | SDL_LockSurface seems to disable it for e.g. | 15:30 |
| dolfun_beer | SDL_Flip seems to disable it | 15:31 |
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| dolfun | however, i haven't set XSPRegisterDSPArea. Is that a problem? | 15:33 |
| daniels | no, ignore the DSP area stuff | 15:34 |
| dolfun | what would be the best way to get help on this | 15:36 |
| dolfun | i've gone though the entire maemo devel mailing list archives | 15:37 |
| dolfun | i've studied the fceu and xmame source | 15:38 |
| daniels | you could try creating a 400x240 sdl surface, instead of an 800x480 | 15:38 |
| daniels | due to the design of our lcd controller, doing an 800x480 update will always clear pixel doubling | 15:38 |
| daniels | so i'd guess that what's happening especially on flip is that you're sending an 800x480 update to x | 15:39 |
| daniels | rather than 400x240 | 15:39 |
| dolfun | ah, yes i had to set the sdl win to 800x480 | 15:39 |
| dolfun | otherwise i was getting blackscreen | 15:39 |
| dolfun | i'll set up a page with demos (broken) showing various sdl implementations | 15:40 |
| dolfun | and then write to the mailing list. | 15:40 |
| dolfun | but that's a very good hint there | 15:42 |
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| zwnj | hey, i can't find out how to add new repos, when there's no way to edit files out of MyDocs. is there any howto around? | 15:47 |
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| dolfun | i generally edit repositories by opening xterm and editing /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:51 |
| dolfun | or ssh-ing into the nokia | 15:52 |
| dolfun | requires root | 15:52 |
| dolfun | you can also do it directly in application manager, i think | 15:52 |
| kulve | yeah, app.mgr. edits sources.list too, when you add repositories (catelogues) | 16:00 |
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| kender | hello | 16:14 |
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| dolfun | hi kender | 16:19 |
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| kender | hey dolfun :) | 16:19 |
| dolfun | what's new? | 16:21 |
| kender | here, testing the new firmware | 16:21 |
| kender | a little bit disapointing | 16:21 |
| s100user | hi | 16:22 |
| s100user | anyone knows if the dsp on the 770 can decode mpeg2 by hardware? | 16:22 |
| dolfun | kender, video playbackwise? hi s100user | 16:22 |
| dolfun | s100user: have you tried mplayer for 770? | 16:23 |
| s100user | yes. mplayer works | 16:23 |
| s100user | but I'm streaming dvb-s.. which is too much for the cpu | 16:23 |
| kender | dolfun, video playback is better now, but the codecs quantity is the same (afaik) | 16:23 |
| s100user | 768x576@25fps and about 700kbytes/s | 16:23 |
| s100user | it just chockes... | 16:24 |
| s100user | on /dev/dsp/something there's a mpeg2 reference | 16:24 |
| s100user | so it "might" be able to do mpeg2 by hw.. just like a dvd player.. | 16:24 |
| s100user | so, the question is: how? | 16:24 |
| kender | hehe | 16:25 |
| kender | yeah, someone asked just the same in the mailing some weeks ago | 16:25 |
| dolfun | setting it to 400x240 gives me blackscreen, and when i have mousemovement i get a bunch of 1x/2x trash onscreen | 16:29 |
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| s100user | there's no way to resize the stream... it's a live DVB-S feed... | 16:32 |
| s100user | unless I transcode it on another machine... | 16:32 |
| s100user | but that's not what I wanted... | 16:32 |
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| Markov | morning | 16:48 |
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| zwnj | dolfun_bier: behdad suggested so, but i should add a new repo before installing xterm... and seems MaemoPad doesn't give me access to out of MyDocs | 16:59 |
| kulve | zwnj: if you want to add a repo and install xterm from there, use the application manager. That's what it's for. | 17:01 |
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| zwnj | kulve: oh, i didn't see the Catalog list. tnx | 17:04 |
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| zwnj | hum, now i get "E Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/.../free/...Packages.gz 401 Unauthorized [IP: 194.25.47.17 80]" | 17:18 |
| zwnj | also for non-free and extras | 17:18 |
| zwnj | i used to get 401 error for Nokia Catalogues from other wifi access last night too | 17:19 |
| kulve | that sounds odd.. | 17:20 |
| kulve | the repos I have updates ok | 17:21 |
| zwnj | i get "Authorization Required" ... "Apache/1.3.33 Server at ossostage.cidercone.com Port 80" from the browser too | 17:21 |
| zwnj | i.e. this one: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 17:21 |
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| kkito | herllo | 17:25 |
| kkito | hello :) | 17:25 |
| Markov | herro | 17:29 |
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| kkito | someone has updated the n800 with the new release? | 17:40 |
| kulve | sure | 17:40 |
| kkito | kulve, do you recommend to me to update? | 17:41 |
| kulve | yep | 17:41 |
| kulve | backup & restore works nicely, but you'll have to install all applications back | 17:41 |
| kkito | kulve, and the sources are backup too? | 17:42 |
| kulve | And I wouldn't trust the backup, so if you have something really important, backup it manually too | 17:42 |
| kkito | sources.list | 17:42 |
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| kulve | yes | 17:42 |
| kkito | :) | 17:42 |
| kkito | then i am going to update my device.... | 17:42 |
| kulve | at least it did restore it on my device.. | 17:42 |
| kulve | you should get better video throughput and fewer spontaneous resets.. So I think it's definitely worth updating | 17:43 |
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| kulve | and all the little apps I've made for the first release installed and worked just fine on the new release | 17:44 |
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| kkito | is pixel doubling running on that release? | 17:46 |
| kkito | a changelog anywhere? | 17:46 |
| kulve | changelog is pretty useless, as always | 17:47 |
| kulve | I think the pixel doubling should work, but I haven't seen a confirmation for that.. | 17:47 |
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| kkito | :) | 17:47 |
| kulve | the "changelog": http://maemo.org/#date_23032007 | 17:47 |
| kulve | it's the same as in the official location | 17:48 |
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| neostrider | so...maemo people...whats going on? | 18:01 |
| kulve | the sun is setting | 18:04 |
| neostrider | not here ;-) | 18:04 |
| neostrider | here, is noon | 18:04 |
| kender | here noon to | 18:05 |
| kender | well, afternoon | 18:05 |
| kender | hehe | 18:05 |
| neostrider | heheh...here is precisely noon | 18:06 |
| * cesman gets ready to demo N800 at the OCLUG | 18:09 | |
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| Maku|N800 | Apologies for frequent logoffs, my xchat was behaving strangely... | 18:15 |
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| Maku|N800 | Is the menu in new minimo not working? I even saw an announcement regarding it using tabs... How do i activate these tabs? | 18:23 |
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| neostrider | How can I get minimo on 770?! | 18:36 |
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| bj1 | anyone here broken their flash by burning out their FAT/inode table? | 19:21 |
| bj1 | or worse.. by swapping? | 19:21 |
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| koen | bjv: most cards do internal wear leveling | 19:39 |
| koen | not all, though | 19:39 |
| bjv | ah, somewhere i had heard that | 19:42 |
| bjv | that flash structure is weird so block abstraction is used | 19:42 |
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| guerby | hmm I have plenty of the following in dmesg: | 21:22 |
| guerby | [72187.459960] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 21:22 |
| guerby | [72194.266571] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled | 21:22 |
| guerby | every five second or so, any idea? | 21:22 |
| Okko | It's normal, it's the sound subsystem going on and off when it plays a "click" sound or something else | 21:25 |
| guerby | Okko, wow | 21:27 |
| guerby | thanks | 21:27 |
| Okko | I don't know why it logs it there, maybe it's just some debugging that has been forgotten to be turned off | 21:28 |
| guerby | Okko, probably | 21:30 |
| guerby | Okko, even with sound off I get those messages... | 21:31 |
| Okko | guerby: it probably still turns on and then notices that you have sound off and won't actually play anything. Do you have good headphones? | 21:32 |
| Okko | you can hear it turn on if you do, there's a low humming sound when it's on | 21:32 |
| guerby | Okko, funny :) | 21:32 |
| Okko | and somewhat annoying, the humming sound I mean | 21:33 |
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| maddler | doh | 22:04 |
| shackan | maddy! | 22:04 |
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| maddler | shackan: oila`! | 22:09 |
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| Lounis | hi, I have juste upgrade to the new firmware version of ITOS2007, When I browse the maemo garage I have certificat secure problem , and I can't install any application | 22:25 |
| Lounis | do you know this problem? | 22:25 |
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| Markov | i can't see downloads.maemo on my tablet | 23:06 |
| Markov | or on my pc ;) | 23:09 |
| juho | its broken | 23:10 |
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| Markov | apparently so | 23:10 |
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| Okko | Has anyone tried to connect a digital camera to the N800? Does it work without an external power supply? | 23:49 |
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