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| Markov | settings for tethering to cingular phone: https://cingular.atgnow.com/cng/tutorials/KB74359.html | 00:27 |
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| Markov | they're not what's used as default on the n800 | 00:28 |
| Markov | salud! | 00:28 |
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| Elrond | Tak - So what now? | 00:46 |
| Tak | ? | 00:48 |
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| Elrond | Tak - When will you ask the dwarves for a meeting date? ;) | 00:58 |
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| neostrider | hello folks | 01:35 |
| florian | hi neostrider | 01:35 |
| neostrider | hi florian! | 01:35 |
| neostrider | florian | 01:37 |
| neostrider | maybe you can help me | 01:37 |
| neostrider | the "maemo restricted downloads" page is somewhat confunsing | 01:37 |
| neostrider | whats the version of the imagem of gregalle? | 01:37 |
| florian | neostrider: gregale is the maemo 2.2 sdk | 01:39 |
| neostrider | yes,but in termos of that q3-2006 numbers that I dont understand | 01:40 |
| neostrider | that thing is so confusing that I mistankenly flashed mistral on device yesterday | 01:40 |
| neostrider | right now, im using IT2006 version 3.2006.49-2 | 01:41 |
| neostrider | i need to know if this is gregalle, as Im reinstalling my SDK (I was using mistral SDK) | 01:42 |
| florian | neostrider: ah right, i guess any *2006* image should work with gregalle | 01:42 |
| neostrider | great! | 01:43 |
| neostrider | (i need gregale as I want to help the mono project ;-) ) | 01:43 |
| florian | cool | 01:44 |
| neostrider | as a SDL developer, I was doing fine with mistral..but...who knows...there was lots of bug fixes | 01:44 |
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| b0unc3 | which is the better place for a 'configuration' file ? | 02:38 |
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| neostrider | what is your application for? | 02:46 |
| neostrider | /etc? /usr/share ? | 02:46 |
| neostrider | b0unc3? | 02:48 |
| neostrider | that question is mine too | 02:48 |
| neostrider | i want to know that too | 02:48 |
| Tak | global conf file? | 02:48 |
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| b0unc3 | It'a the 'my_application' config file | 02:49 |
| kkito | user configuration goes to $HOME | 02:50 |
| kkito | $HOME/.appconfig | 02:50 |
| kkito | must to be hidden | 02:51 |
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| kkito | global configuration in /etc | 02:51 |
| neostrider | great =-D | 02:52 |
| neostrider | and about game data files/ | 02:52 |
| b0unc3 | uhm...yes, I think that $HOME is the best place for my config file | 02:52 |
| neostrider | ? | 02:52 |
| kkito | /usr/share is for contents that is shared by many apps, like icons, themes etc | 02:52 |
| neostrider | my game data files, hopely will be used for more than one game | 02:52 |
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| neostrider | i hope to use the same game engine (no code modification) in more than one game | 02:52 |
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| acydlord | i was cleaning my room today | 02:56 |
| acydlord | and opened my closet for the first time in about 6 months, and found out that i have a computer in it | 02:57 |
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| neostrider | I would love to make that discover too | 02:57 |
| neostrider | wait | 02:57 |
| neostrider | let me check mine | 02:57 |
| neostrider | .. | 02:57 |
| neostrider | GREAT! a out-of-service 486! | 02:58 |
| acydlord | lol | 02:59 |
| acydlord | i just got a free agp card and proc from a computer shop down the street to fix this one up | 02:59 |
| neostrider | =-D | 03:00 |
| neostrider | mine case is worst | 03:00 |
| neostrider | a broken 486 notebook | 03:00 |
| acydlord | lol | 03:00 |
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| neostrider | the powercord is malfunctioning | 03:00 |
| acydlord | i have a 286 from 1978 | 03:00 |
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| neostrider | so it powerup only when he wants | 03:00 |
| neostrider | i had a 8088 a few years ago | 03:00 |
| neostrider | and the LCD is broken | 03:00 |
| neostrider | and the bios refuses to boot linux! | 03:01 |
| acydlord | i was trying to boot an ubuntu live cd on this one and it was taking forever, scanned the cd and it had 9 bad checksums | 03:01 |
| acydlord | it has a weird mobo, has dip switches for overclocking | 03:01 |
| neostrider | hahaha | 03:02 |
| neostrider | dry damn small linux | 03:03 |
| neostrider | much lighter | 03:03 |
| neostrider | and simpler | 03:03 |
| neostrider | indeed, I did some remastering on it | 03:03 |
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| acydlord | true, this thing has 256mb of ram i think, so it should be fine once linux actually loads | 03:09 |
| acydlord | that cd i had was just scratched | 03:09 |
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| b0unc3 | Why when I install the .deb , the config file under /home/user/.myapp/ is owned by root ? | 03:14 |
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| neostrider | acydlord, Damn Small Linux is very lightweight debian that runs with as little as 20 MB RAM | 03:31 |
| neostrider | with X and fluxbox | 03:31 |
| acydlord | i know this, i use it as a repair disk | 03:31 |
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| acydlord | it was just an issue with the disk i was using, ubuntu is loaded in to gnome now :) | 03:32 |
| acydlord | DSL is on a businedd card cd-rom in my wallet at all times | 03:32 |
| neostrider | i run it from pendrive | 03:33 |
| neostrider | very confortable | 03:33 |
| neostrider | and very easy to customize | 03:33 |
| neostrider | for some time it was my main distro | 03:33 |
| acydlord | pen drive is a good idea too, i have a 512 pen drive with open office, firefox and gaim on it | 03:33 |
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| acydlord | i need to find that 40gb hdd i had around here | 03:39 |
| neostrider | i built (with a kit) a 80gb usb hdd ;-) | 03:41 |
| neostrider | the good about DSL on a pendrive is that it does run both under qemu on windows or it can boot directly from usb | 03:41 |
| neostrider | on the same installation | 03:41 |
| acydlord | i have a 250gb external i built with a kit | 03:41 |
| neostrider | now you humilliated me hehe | 03:42 |
| neostrider | i cant dream of a 250gb hdd | 03:42 |
| neostrider | neither internal or external =-p | 03:42 |
| acydlord | i got it for $150 | 03:42 |
| acydlord | isnt there a way to rig a laptop drive to hook up to ide? | 03:44 |
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| neostrider | not really | 03:48 |
| neostrider | here in brazil things are a bit more expensive hehe | 03:48 |
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| acydlord | ahh | 03:50 |
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| neostrider | everaldo, downloading gregalle! | 03:53 |
| neostrider | folks @ indt recommended me using gregalle | 03:53 |
| neostrider | and it should be just like bora in structural terms | 03:54 |
| everaldo | neostrider, hey | 03:59 |
| everaldo | neostrider, why use gregale? | 03:59 |
| neostrider | more compatible with 770 than bora | 04:00 |
| everaldo | neostrider, where you donwload it? | 04:02 |
| neostrider | maemo main repository | 04:03 |
| everaldo | neostrider, hey.. gregale is 2.2 | 04:03 |
| neostrider | yeah | 04:03 |
| everaldo | I have it | 04:03 |
| everaldo | :) | 04:03 |
| neostrider | =-D | 04:03 |
| neostrider | I guess bora packages doesnt work very well with the 770 | 04:03 |
| everaldo | but most time I use bora | 04:03 |
| everaldo | bora is 3.0, more compatible with N800 | 04:04 |
| neostrider | yeah...but you have a 770, right? | 04:10 |
| neostrider | and most things that work with 770 will also work with n800 | 04:11 |
| acydlord | i traded my 770 for a 19" lcd | 04:18 |
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| neostrider | bed!!! | 04:44 |
| neostrider | []s fellows | 04:44 |
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| dolfun | what is user experience of gregale on 770 like | 05:16 |
| dolfun | <-mistral | 05:16 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
| glas55 | mornings | 10:32 |
| dolfun | Jaffa, glas55 i don't suppose you understand pixel-doubling internals on the 770? | 10:36 |
| glas55 | no idea really | 10:38 |
| dolfun | ok thanks | 10:39 |
| baa | is that handled by s1d on the n800? | 10:39 |
| baa | err, s1d1374x | 10:39 |
| dolfun | dunno. my problem is that a number of sdl calls seem to disable the 2x scaling, and i find no explanation as to what triggers this | 10:40 |
| dolfun | it's a bit of a black box, i'm afraid | 10:41 |
| baa | wish i understood sdl so i could try & help out. | 10:47 |
| baa | feel bad for sdl people, hearing about the ~20 fps bandwidth constraint on n800's offboard lcd controller. | 10:49 |
| dolfun | most games you can just update portions of the screen | 10:53 |
| dolfun | which is exactly my trouble with doubling on the 770. only the current putrect() block is displayed doubled, then everything goes back to single | 10:54 |
| dolfun | sometimes, not always. i've managed to reduce it by culling out all the sdl-locks | 10:54 |
| dolfun | but as i said, it's total guesswork on my part and playing combinatorial guesses against this unknown device | 10:55 |
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| dolfun | if anyone is interested in testing some of this on a 770 running gregale, let me know | 10:56 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 11:09 |
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| mk8 | A little question. In the maemo documentation I not found any event associated to the HildonNumberEditor. It is derived from another Widget so inherit the event? If it is this the case | 12:07 |
| mk8 | which is the Parent Widget? | 12:08 |
| * timeless cries | 12:22 | |
| maddler | morning all... | 12:22 |
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| dolfun | hrm i read that as 'parent midget' | 12:39 |
| mk8 | What is 'parental midget'? | 12:40 |
| osfameron | well, it being a small screen OS, it makes sense | 12:41 |
| dolfun | which brings us back to the 'dwarves' discussion | 12:47 |
| dolfun | 20:45 < Elrond> Tak - Will you ask the dwarves to come? | 12:47 |
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| timeless | i think my brand new n800 just caused my laptop to blue screen | 12:50 |
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| osfameron | you think your laptop needs a *cause* to blue screen? | 12:53 |
| osfameron | remember, it's a computer. It hates you. | 12:53 |
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| zwnj | hi. trying to update N800 packges, i get "401 Unauthorized" error. is the server banned for any ip ranges? | 13:22 |
| dolfun | which server | 13:23 |
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| zwnj | dolfun: 213.160.98.230 80 | 13:25 |
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| dolfun | what are the dns names in /etc/apt/sources.list? | 13:26 |
| dolfun | that does not match repository.maemo.org | 13:26 |
| dolfun | or catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com by my pings | 13:27 |
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| dolfun | zwnj: check that your dns resolves correctly | 13:33 |
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| zwnj | dolfun_afk: thanks, let me check | 13:36 |
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| b0unc3 | is there any way to send an event (with dbus?) to an home plugin ? | 13:56 |
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| inz | if the home plugins listens on dbus | 14:11 |
| Guardian | bleh sometimes i find that gtk just sucks: i have 2 radio buttons, button1 and button2. button1 is active, then i click button2 ==> button1 receives a "clicked" signal. ffs button1 has been "toggled" and button2 has been "clicked and toggled" | 14:12 |
| Guardian | why bother documenting stuff that does not behave like it's documented then ... | 14:12 |
| Guardian | or maybe it's the compatiblity excuse: "we're sorry, it used to suck so we need to keep it sucking" like java does for utf8 boms in streams :D | 14:13 |
| ptman_ | utf8 bom? it shouldn't have anything like that | 14:15 |
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| ptman_ | UTF-16 has BOM | 14:15 |
| ptman_ | sorry for the nitpicking | 14:15 |
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| Guardian | well according to http://www.unicode.org/faq/utf_bom.html#BOM , there can be a BOM | 14:16 |
| Guardian | typically, start messing with XML, you know XML ? the brilliant format that enables any text editor to edit the data ! edit your xml file with notepad.exe, try to read it with a java ==> exception because notepad detected utf8 content and added a BOM (well you could argue that it's because of microsoft) | 14:18 |
| ptman | yes, there can ba a BOM, but it doesn't make any sense for UTF-8, as it is read one byte at a time | 14:20 |
| Guardian | sure | 14:21 |
| ptman | UTF-16 on the other hand, is read two bytes at a time, and it's important to know which is the more significant one | 14:21 |
| Guardian | but it should not crash badly, anyway we're not on #java :) | 14:21 |
| ptman | true, crashing is not a good thing, but neither is generating a BOM for UTF-8 | 14:22 |
| Guardian | in fact what puzzles me is the reason given by sun for not changing the behavior: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4508058 | 14:24 |
| Guardian | the reason is "a lot of stupid applications rely on it ! we need to be compatible with this fucked behavior" | 14:24 |
| Guardian | :) | 14:24 |
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| Guardian | back to the subject, a radio button that is released because another radio button has been pressed should not receive a signal called "clicked" | 14:26 |
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| kkito | nice i get maemo virtual keyboard integrated on qt apps.... | 14:38 |
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| sbaturzio | aloha! | 14:45 |
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| Jaffa | Official camera app? (according to maemo-users) | 15:04 |
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| sbaturzio | Jaffa: yes..I'm just testing it | 15:04 |
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| * Jaffa 's N800 is on charge | 15:07 | |
| kulve | pretty simple thing.. | 15:10 |
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| Jaffa | Does it do anything clever to get better quality out than the existing ones? | 15:25 |
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| kulve | OS 2007 edition v. 3.2007.10-7 includes improvements and fixes in: | 15:27 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 15:29 |
| kulve | when has that come? | 15:29 |
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| jku__ | Judging from the name, some time in the last two weeks :) Interesting | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | Err, excellent. kulve: how did you find that? | 15:34 |
| kulve | Jaffa: by accident. Friend said that he has 51-7 even though I thought that everybody has 51-6, so I went to check it out :) | 15:35 |
| pyhimys | Nokia_N800_OS.php 09-Mar-2007 14:19 7.3K | 15:36 |
| pyhimys | http://maemo.org/downloads/ | 15:36 |
| * Jaffa 's download is only going at ~100KB/s :-( | 15:36 | |
| Tak | ooo, the update is finally out? | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_80293 has changelog | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | "Video and Flash performance and quality" - excellent | 15:37 |
| Tak | I'll have to DL it tonight when I have access to the n800 and mac | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Maybe "Bluetooth connection" will be : let me turn bluetooht *on* from the status bar. | 15:38 |
| Tak | all you have to do is pay it a little attention once in a while | 15:40 |
| * Jaffa tars up his home directory before reflashing | 15:40 | |
| Tak | a foot massage wouldn't go astray :-P | 15:40 |
| kulve | backup & restore does the things for sources.list too (I just heard).. | 15:40 |
| Tak | hmm | 15:40 |
| Tak | it hasn't for me on any previous flash... | 15:41 |
| kulve | it would be nice, if it would.. | 15:41 |
| Tak | indeed | 15:41 |
| kulve | so, how's the video? :) | 15:47 |
| zyxulnaga | guys is it possible to connect my n800 into an ethernet network? | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | kulve: 01:17 remaining. 94% of download complete | 15:49 |
| kulve | I have it already, but I'll upgrade later.. | 15:49 |
| Tak | zyxulnaga: if you have a wap... | 15:50 |
| dragorn | zyxulnaga: A wired network? No. Not until usb host mode works and you get a USB NIC, anyhow. | 15:50 |
| zyxulnaga | i noticed it doesnt work like the n770 | 15:51 |
| zyxulnaga | host mode is not supported? | 15:51 |
| dragorn | currently there are no kernel drivers to do usb host mode | 15:51 |
| dragorn | as of the last I knew anyhow | 15:51 |
| zulla | Why didn't they announce the release? | 15:51 |
| dragorn | zulla: Probably isn't really done, or still undergoing testing, or getting clearance, or... | 15:52 |
| zyxulnaga | what about bluetooth to ethernet | 15:52 |
| Tak | or waiting until #maemo quits thrashing their servers... | 15:52 |
| zulla | dragorn: then it wouldn't be available on a public server for download. | 15:52 |
| zyxulnaga | I noticed there is a bluetooth adaptor that lets you get into ethernet | 15:52 |
| dragorn | zulla: Not necessarily | 15:52 |
| Tak | hell, they didn't even announce the n800 release | 15:52 |
| kulve | zyxulnaga: something like that might be possible, but the usb host mode is not | 15:53 |
| zyxulnaga | right | 15:53 |
| dragorn | zulla: I've dealt with a lot of stuff where it went up on the site w/out announcements pending official stuff, or pending the web admins making the announce pages, etc. | 15:53 |
| dragorn | zyxulnaga: There are some sort of BT "access points" which do things like that, but i've never messed with them. At that point you might as well use 802.11 | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | Upgrade complete. | 15:53 |
| zyxulnaga | right | 15:54 |
| disq | ooh new firmware! | 15:54 |
| * Jaffa waits to complete the setup. | 15:54 | |
| dragorn | figures, the firmware drops while I'm out of town and not entirely thrilled with the idea of wiping the thing | 15:54 |
| c0ffee | and still no way to upgrade without losing all installed software i guess? | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | Nope | 15:55 |
| zulla | c0ffee: they are working on that. | 15:55 |
| c0ffee | i know | 15:55 |
| Tak | dragorn: hey, this way you'll have the server all to yourself when you get back ;-) | 15:55 |
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| dragorn | Tak: Oh, i already downloaded it | 15:55 |
| zulla | c0ffee: at least theys said so in the mailing list. I like what I read about their plans there. | 15:55 |
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| disq | the changelog is more like a "NEWS" file | 16:02 |
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| inz | disq, hardly more useful than nothing at all... | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | I'd say YouTube was better: around 8fps now | 16:05 |
| Tak | woo!@ | 16:05 |
| disq | yeah | 16:05 |
| disq | i'm looking for a quick link to the win32 flasher | 16:05 |
| disq | my linux boxes are either on vmware or remote | 16:06 |
| dolfun | all my windows botzes, er, boxes are remote | 16:09 |
| Veggen | my only windows at home is in vmware. | 16:11 |
| Veggen | (and when I get something to replace Garmin Mapsource, or gets it to run properly in wine/Crossover Office, I'm gonna scratch it) | 16:12 |
| dolfun | yeah it's always those must-have apps | 16:13 |
| disq | http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe | 16:17 |
| zulla | Before reflashing, how can I store the configured WLAN connections? | 16:19 |
| Tak | doesn't the backup software catch them? | 16:20 |
| zulla | nah. Manually, of course. :-) | 16:22 |
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| Molagi | hmm the new update is out? | 16:27 |
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| Molagi | before updating it should i backup everything? | 16:29 |
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| kabtoffe | Molagi: At least all the stuff you need. Like Settings and Bookmarks. | 16:41 |
| kabtoffe | By the way, does the new release support SDHC? | 16:42 |
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| zulla | they still use the ugly throbber :-) | 16:50 |
| disq | so what is the codename for the new version? | 16:50 |
| zulla | too bad they don't update the theme artwork. tigert's theme is soo much nicer. | 16:51 |
| Tak | yeah, the codename! I demand a codename! | 16:55 |
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| Tak | preferably some kind of nordic sealife | 16:55 |
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| inz | I'd guess bora | 16:57 |
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| inz | They didn't bother changing the name for the 2nd release, why would they for the third | 16:57 |
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| zulla | Jaffa: Is there already a repository for MUD-built-software? | 17:04 |
| ptman | i think they only change the codename if there's some incompatibility between the versions | 17:05 |
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| ptman | ah, I wasn't scrolling down with the new messages | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | zulla: not an official one, there's http://bleb.org/repo/ which should be configurable, though | 17:08 |
| zulla | Thanks! Though: deb http://bleb.org/repo/ bora user - didn't work. | 17:09 |
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| Tak | Jaffa: is that not browsable? | 17:14 |
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| zulla | There is still the old throbber in the new firmware - guess I should finally make .deb out of this: | 17:21 |
| zulla | http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/01/23/a-less-irritating-activity-indicator-for-maemo/ | 17:21 |
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| zulla | ow, sorry for spamming. | 17:30 |
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| plr_ | hello, is there a working mplayer version for n800? The one I found says it is incompatible | 17:42 |
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| zulla | You should be able to install it via apt-get | 17:46 |
| zulla | the developer is constantly improving it | 17:46 |
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| zulla | it just crashed on me with the new firmware, but I'm sure that he will fix that soon, as he usually does. | 17:46 |
| zulla | Repository: http://repository.maemo.org bora/free | 17:47 |
| plr_ | ok, I just got the n800 and was happy to find that it just had a new update | 17:47 |
| Tak | good timing | 17:49 |
| plr_ | I can't see it through the application manager even though I add that repository, I installed the xterminal though, how does the apt-get work? | 17:50 |
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| kpenrose_ | pir_: I just logged in and see you talking about an update - of what? | 17:53 |
| plr_ | apt-get install mplayer gives me an error "could not open lock file"; Unable to lock the list directory | 17:54 |
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| Pio | plr_, did you leave the app manager running when you did it? | 17:56 |
| Pio | you have to close it to install through apt manually | 17:56 |
| plr_ | oh ok | 17:57 |
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| [TheMan] | hi! | 18:00 |
| [TheMan] | is kismet fully functional on N770 now? | 18:00 |
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| plr_ | well it still doesn't work. I cannot understand why it won't show in the application manager | 18:00 |
| [TheMan] | ok | 18:01 |
| [TheMan] | wasnt the problem that it showed ghost networks? | 18:01 |
| Pio | [TheMan], he's talking about something else | 18:02 |
| michi | did you update the package cache after adding the new repo? | 18:02 |
| [TheMan] | Pio- ok =) | 18:02 |
| plr_ | michi yes, if that is done when it asks whether to download the package info again | 18:02 |
| tko | zulla, I just made a deb out of the throbber. I don't want to maintain it though. interested? :) | 18:02 |
| [TheMan] | anyone tested the Silica? | 18:03 |
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| zulla | tko: If you send me instructions how you did it, that'd be really really nice. | 18:04 |
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| tko | zulla, http://tkomulai.iki.fi/maemo-throbber/ -- basically it's all in the diff | 18:05 |
| tko | please don't distribute that URL too much, at least update the debian/control Maintainer and debian/copyright if you take that | 18:06 |
| tko | I didn't try installing it on the device though :-] | 18:07 |
| zulla | tko: well, you just published it here in the irc log... | 18:07 |
| tko | well, I'll remove it when I remember | 18:07 |
| tko | I meant to do the debian packaging the first time I saw that, but never found the time or forgot | 18:08 |
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| tko | all the magic really is in the preinst/postinst/postrm scripts | 18:08 |
| dolfun_afk | it should be noted that the log is findable via google | 18:09 |
| tko | I know, but google is unreliable :) | 18:10 |
| [TheMan] | what does throbber do? | 18:10 |
| tko | http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/01/23/a-less-irritating-activity-indicator-for-maemo/ | 18:10 |
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| zulla | TheMan: It's just a nicer activity indicator. | 18:11 |
| [TheMan] | ah ok thnx | 18:11 |
| [TheMan] | does metasploit work on the N770? | 18:11 |
| kender | maybe yes, there is ruby and perl support | 18:12 |
| kender | why not? | 18:12 |
| [TheMan] | yes... just heard it was slow | 18:13 |
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| kender | no idea hehe | 18:13 |
| [TheMan] | so guess it doesnt work that great | 18:13 |
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| [TheMan] | im looking for some software similar to the Silica device | 18:13 |
| tko | zulla, the section user/graphics should be user/themes | 18:14 |
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| zyxulnaga | nice i got silica connected to a wired network | 18:15 |
| dolfun_afk | somehow i find little motivation in helping people commit crimes | 18:15 |
| zyxulnaga | [TheMan]: I am the silica developer if you need something | 18:15 |
| dolfun_afk | well i shouldn't assume | 18:17 |
| zyxulnaga | its not a crime :> | 18:17 |
| dolfun_afk | what's the legal status of selling a product based on open-source? | 18:18 |
| zyxulnaga | no idea about that! | 18:18 |
| [TheMan] | zyx- im very interested | 18:18 |
| [TheMan] | =) | 18:18 |
| Pio | are there any patches to do packet injection on 770 or 800 yet? :) | 18:19 |
| dolfun_afk | zyxulnaga: obviously it's possible, see redhat, suse etc. | 18:19 |
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| zyxulnaga | dolfun_afk: if I had the chance i will provide the sw for free and have them receive money for support | 18:19 |
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| zyxulnaga | I guess the python license allows it through | 18:20 |
| dolfun_afk | zyxulnaga: cool niche market though | 18:20 |
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| [TheMan] | zyxulnaga- how much for the Canvas? =) | 18:20 |
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| zyxulnaga | [TheMan]: if you want any technical details drop me a line | 18:20 |
| zyxulnaga | dunno anything about the sales part | 18:20 |
| zyxulnaga | sorry | 18:20 |
| [TheMan] | i priv msgd u about it | 18:20 |
| zyxulnaga | didnt get it | 18:21 |
| [TheMan] | hmm | 18:21 |
| zyxulnaga | you need to register i think | 18:21 |
| [TheMan] | ah ok | 18:21 |
| [TheMan] | is it based on Metasploit and kismet? | 18:21 |
| zyxulnaga | nop | 18:21 |
| tko | zulla, it didn't brick my device.. yet. I must be doing something right :) | 18:21 |
| [TheMan] | ok | 18:22 |
| zulla | tko: it bricks your device only if it is not user-readable. then the UI stops responding the moment it tries to open the animation... | 18:22 |
| [TheMan] | zyx- i will register just a sec | 18:23 |
| zyxulnaga | ok | 18:23 |
| [TheMan] | got it? | 18:24 |
| kulve | Tak: btw. It did restore sources.list | 18:26 |
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| tko | zulla, dpkg-divert can also do bad things, leaving the icons unreachable | 18:31 |
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| Molagi | stupid nokia updater is saying my n800 is up to date | 18:56 |
| kender | maybe because it is | 18:56 |
| Molagi | i wanna install the new firmware | 18:56 |
| kender | you need to download it and flash your device | 18:57 |
| Molagi | oh | 18:57 |
| Molagi | ok | 18:57 |
| Molagi | from where | 18:57 |
| kender | from...http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin here | 18:57 |
| Molagi | ok ty | 18:58 |
| Molagi | how do i flash it | 19:01 |
| ptman | Molagi: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/Flasher_tool_usage | 19:03 |
| Molagi | ty | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | Molagi: make sure you make a backup before that | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | if you have anything useful on your tablet | 19:06 |
| Molagi | yeah ive backupped | 19:06 |
| Molagi | how can i flash with nokia internet tablet software update wizard | 19:13 |
| dolfun_afk | you get the flasher and the image then you execute the command with the right options | 19:14 |
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| * sp3000 thought it sounded more like windows | 19:14 | |
| Molagi | looks pretty hard | 19:15 |
| Molagi | im using win2000 | 19:15 |
| zyxulnaga | is it possible to create a fiasco image of the current install n800 I have? | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | Molagi: then use this: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | flasher and that RX-34... image are more for Linux users | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | I *think* the update wizard exe for windows contains the image within itself | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | I have no idea, because I do not use windows | 19:17 |
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| Molagi | mgedmin yeah i got that, how do i flash with it, when i open it it just checks that my n800 is up to date | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | maybe nokia didn't update it yet? I dunno | 19:19 |
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| Molagi | oh yeah now its working | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | get a Linux machine and use flasher-3.0 with the RX-34_2007SE_3 image | 19:20 |
| mk8 | I go out .... bye to all .... | 19:20 |
| kender | CU mk8 | 19:21 |
| mk8 | bye | 19:21 |
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| kulve | zyxulnaga: in theory yes | 19:26 |
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| zyxulnaga | I am reading up now how to do the rootfs | 19:26 |
| zyxulnaga | thats all i need really | 19:27 |
| kulve | hmm.. actually maybe it's not possible.. | 19:27 |
| kulve | but you might be able to do a rootfs jffs2 image that can be flashed with the flasher-tool | 19:27 |
| zyxulnaga | http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_use_flasher_rootfs.html | 19:27 |
| zyxulnaga | this one | 19:27 |
| zyxulnaga | yeah thats what i want | 19:27 |
| kulve | with a quick thought I think you need to tar your rootfs inside the device with gnu tar and then create a jffs2 image out of it. That might work.. | 19:29 |
| zyxulnaga | oh really? | 19:29 |
| zyxulnaga | thats nice | 19:29 |
| kulve | like I said, I really don't know if that really works.. | 19:29 |
| zyxulnaga | so i need to convert the tar to jffs2 with dd and mkisofs? | 19:29 |
| kulve | but it might :) | 19:29 |
| zyxulnaga | it will be good trying | 19:29 |
| zyxulnaga | i 'll give it a shot | 19:30 |
| kulve | I think you need to untar the tar and then create a jffs2 with mkfs.jffs2 | 19:30 |
| zyxulnaga | right | 19:30 |
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| zyxulnaga | dont i need to make it as a single file though? | 19:30 |
| zyxulnaga | with dd | 19:30 |
| zyxulnaga | or something | 19:30 |
| kulve | but don't blame me, if the new rootfs image don't work ;) | 19:30 |
| zyxulnaga | i dont mind | 19:30 |
| zyxulnaga | i have a couple of n800 here to test | 19:30 |
| kulve | mkfs.jffs2 makes a single "flashable" jffs2 image from a directory | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | there might be a few problems | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | tar in the n800 limits pathnames to 100 characters | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | some of the files in the default image are longer than that | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | (iirc that's some gconf schemas and some theme images) | 19:33 |
| kulve | mgedmin: tar in the device or gnu tar? | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | tar in the device | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | which is busybox tar, I think | 19:33 |
| daniels | it is busybox tar, yes | 19:34 |
| kulve | mgedmin: that's why I said "gnu tar" ;) | 19:34 |
| kulve | (I think that means something else that the busybox's tar..) | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | ah, I didn't notice | 19:35 |
| X-Fade | Hmmm video seems to have less tearing on the new image. It's not all gone, but better. | 19:35 |
| X-Fade | Canola still suffers from tearing. | 19:35 |
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| X-Fade | Youtube is better, although still too slow. | 19:36 |
| kulve | I'm a bit surprised how well the backup & restore went.. But I didn't have any emails etc. Just few gmail contacs. But sources.list, wlan APs, statusbar & home plugin settings, theme, etc | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | Tuomas: when will hildon-theme-plankton make its way into the maemo extras repository? | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | cool, sources.list is preserved | 19:37 |
| daniels | i think canola still tears because i'm dumb and only half-fixed the ui tearing issue. i'll probably put an unofficial x server up somewhere. | 19:37 |
| kulve | mgedmin: yep, but it didn't rei-install all my apps ;) | 19:37 |
| daniels | youtube dosn't take advantage of the hardware video acceleration we have because of flash's design (pixel precision), so you can't infer anything about youtube performance from general video (e.g. media player), and vice-versa. | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | now if only the app installer let me select multiple apps for installing at once... | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | I suppose that's what sudo apt-get install is for | 19:38 |
| daniels | (if you're bored, you could grab the xorg-server source, and remove the plane_info->vsync = 0 line from hw/kdrive/omap/omap_plane.c to force vsync off for the ui, and rebuild.) | 19:38 |
| Molagi | oh fuck | 19:39 |
| kulve | daniels: Your mails on the list has been very nice. Very open source :) Thanks for that | 19:39 |
| Molagi | all my programs disappeared | 19:39 |
| Molagi | :( | 19:39 |
| Molagi | it didnt backup my softwares | 19:39 |
| Tuomas | mgedmin: no idea... maybe you're asking wrong person here.. ;) | 19:39 |
| daniels | kulve: that's okay | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | didn't you create the theme? | 19:39 |
| Tuomas | nope | 19:39 |
| daniels | kulve: i'm an open source developer and no-one's told me to shut up yet, so i guess it's okay | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | ah, name collision | 19:40 |
| daniels | mgedmin: you're looking for tigert (Tuomas Kuosmannen), not Tuomas | 19:40 |
| Tuomas | hehe =) | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | tigert: when will hildon-theme-plankton make its way into the maemo extras repository? | 19:40 |
| daniels | i'm almost certain i've misspelt tigert's surname, but that's his fault. mine is only five letters. ;) | 19:40 |
| kulve | daniels: yep. I hope the rest of the nokia people start giving details on the list. I think e.g. kernel details would be interesting to some people | 19:41 |
| sp3000 | s/nn/n/, not too far off ;) | 19:41 |
| daniels | kulve: anything in particular? i hack on the kernel when i have time away from x. | 19:41 |
| * mgedmin found repositories for all of his installed packages except for hildon-theme-plankton and hildon-theme-sketchy (and hildon-theme-cacher that is needed by both) | 19:41 | |
| daniels | kulve: most of it's pretty straightforward; the generic drivers are generic, and there's a whole sub-architecture and omap framework within the kernel. | 19:42 |
| kulve | daniels: not really. I'm just generally curious. But e.g. the mmc stuff has been on the discussions.. | 19:42 |
| daniels | kulve: so the n800-specific stuff is basically all contained within arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800* | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | hm, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/theme-plankton/ has 0 files and 0 adds in svn | 19:43 |
| daniels | kulve: hmmm. i don't think i can really say anything about the mmc stuff. basically just that and the bootloader (since the latter is closed source). but everything else is fine. ;) | 19:43 |
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| Molagi | hmm damn how do i setup the ssh | 19:48 |
| kulve | in the red pill mode (if you want open ssh) | 19:48 |
| kulve | dropbear can be installed "normally" | 19:49 |
| Molagi | ok ill choose the dropbear | 19:49 |
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| kulve | Molagi: you can get it from maemo hackers repo | 19:51 |
| X-Fade | daniels: Do you have a binary I can test? | 19:51 |
| Molagi | ok | 19:52 |
| Molagi | ty | 19:52 |
| daniels | X-Fade: no | 19:52 |
| daniels | as i said, it's a one-line fix, so it's trivial to make yourself if you want, but i probably won't get to it until next week. | 19:52 |
| daniels | i generally avoid scratchbox on weekends | 19:53 |
| X-Fade | daniels: Too bad ;) | 19:53 |
| X-Fade | daniels: Yeah, I was trying to do that too ;) | 19:53 |
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| mgedmin | flashes | 19:58 |
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| mgedmin | wow, that was fast | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | 5 megs per second | 20:00 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Yeah, surprised me too.. 6MB/s.. | 20:00 |
| hap | Is there something to convert my mac os x addressbook for my n800 ? | 20:01 |
| hap | I look at my N800 once a month, and I still see no changes, mostly the problems listed on http://www.cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | 4 confirmations to restore a backup... I get the feeling somebody loves confirmations | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | probably nokia's lawyers | 20:02 |
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| tigert | heh | 20:10 |
| tigert | yeah, thats the other Tuomas | 20:10 |
| tigert | :) | 20:10 |
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| tigert | man, it really took _this long_ to get name clashes | 20:10 |
| tigert | wow | 20:10 |
| kulve | I've always been in irc with my surname instead of my first name. Which is Tuomas.. | 20:12 |
| kulve | there's quite few kulves in irc.. | 20:12 |
| kulve | 're | 20:13 |
| sri | yo | 20:14 |
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| keesj | does the new it2007 image provide power "bugfixes" ? | 20:18 |
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| daniels | keesj: as in, extended battery life? | 20:19 |
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| keesj | yes | 20:19 |
| daniels | keesj: i think it's a bit better, yes | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | backup/restore does not restore the opera home page | 20:20 |
| keesj | hmm | 20:21 |
| hap | keesj: how do i know i have the latest it2007 ? | 20:22 |
| kulve | cat /etc/osso_software_version | 20:23 |
| daniels | hap: go to 'about device' or something in the control panel, it'll tell you you have 2007.10-6 or something | 20:23 |
| kulve | or click click from control panel | 20:23 |
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| keesj | hap if you have not downloaded it in the last 24 hour you are running an ancient version | 20:28 |
| hap | ah ok | 20:29 |
| hap | sux | 20:29 |
| hap | keesj: do i have to flash the whole thing and loose my current configuration ? | 20:29 |
| hap | cat /etc/osso_software_version | 20:29 |
| hap | RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_MR0 | 20:29 |
| hap | i guess this is the old one | 20:29 |
| daniels | yes | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | yes, SE_3 was released today | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | if you make a backup you won't make the current configuration | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | you'll only have to reinstall all the apps and change the browser's home page | 20:30 |
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| mgedmin | everything else is restored | 20:30 |
| hap | ah, reinstall all my ssh, etc :( | 20:30 |
| hap | mgedmin: is there a changelog to view the changes? | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | yes | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | I saw the url to the changelog on planet.maemo.org today | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | the changelog is a bit terse | 20:30 |
| hap | ok thanks | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | bug fixes and improved video support, essentially | 20:31 |
| daniels | i don't think there are any real fixes aside from various stability issues; the video stuff was the only real major item | 20:31 |
| hap | flash performance | 20:31 |
| hap | great | 20:31 |
| c0ffee | can you watch youtube now? | 20:31 |
| Tak|work | hah - no real fixes apart from a massive video improvement, the addition of pixel doubling, ... | 20:32 |
| hap | when is gtalk video for computers available to talk with friends with video | 20:32 |
| Tak|work | such modesty | 20:32 |
| hap | and when is supposed skype to be released? | 20:32 |
| daniels | Tak|work: well, pixel doubling is exposed to apps, but in reality we can do arbitrary upscaling | 20:32 |
| Tak|work | even better | 20:32 |
| daniels | in theory, we can do downscaling by factors of half and one-quarter, but it's difficult to implement and no-one asked for it, so | 20:33 |
| Tak|work | is there a published api for the upscaling? | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | it seems that the hardware keys not working bug is fixed | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | that makes me very happy | 20:33 |
| daniels | (no-one even noticed the pixel-doubling until after the release of .51) | 20:33 |
| daniels | Tak|work: not really, it's not exposed to anything above the x server | 20:33 |
| Tak|work | well - I noticed as soon as I got my dev unit | 20:33 |
| daniels | Tak|work: well, no-one noticed and told me ;) | 20:34 |
| Tak|work | oh well - 2x is what I really need | 20:34 |
| Tak|work | I probably didn't get my dev unit until after .51 release | 20:34 |
| daniels | yeah, it wasn't announced until jan 8th | 20:34 |
| daniels | which is definitely after week 51, 2006 | 20:34 |
| Tak|work | yeah, and I had to wait until start of feb anyway | 20:34 |
| daniels | oh well, it's friday night. can't sit on irc all weekend. | 20:35 |
| * daniels -> out | 20:35 | |
| Tak|work | downscaling might be useful for the people that don't want to have to transcode | 20:35 |
| Tak|work | seeya, thanks for all the hard work | 20:35 |
| daniels | actually, it will make things worse because you'll be sending _more_ rather than less data over the problematic rfbi bus, which you really need to avoid | 20:36 |
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| Tak|work | hmm, good point | 20:37 |
| Tak|work | nm then :-P | 20:37 |
| daniels | heh | 20:37 |
| daniels | enjoy | 20:37 |
| * mgedmin builds an empty package that depends on ssh and does not require red-pill mode | 20:38 | |
| mgedmin | yay, it works! | 20:41 |
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| tko | daniels, "downscaling by factor of half" ? lol | 20:41 |
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| mgedmin | it is a bit annoying when /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2 swap places | 20:48 |
| kulve | swap places..? | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | um, no, they didn't | 20:51 |
| kulve | device names and mount dirs swap places.. | 20:51 |
| b0unc3 | is there any way to set the brightness of a GtkImage ? | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | the internal card is mounted on mmc2, even if I don't have anything in the external card slot | 20:51 |
| kulve | mgedmin: yep | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | I had a symlink ~/mmc -> /media/mmc2, and it stopped working after I reflashed and restored | 20:51 |
| kulve | internal is always mmc2 | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | probably something wrong with my restore script | 20:52 |
| kulve | (afaik) | 20:52 |
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| mgedmin | ah, stupid me | 20:52 |
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| * mgedmin created three symlinks: mmc1 -> /media/mmc1, mmc2 -> /media/mmc2, mmc -> mmc2, and then tar'ed up only one of them | 20:54 | |
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| hap | if i plug the N800, Idon't need the battery to be fully charged, right? | 21:02 |
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| kulve | plug in for what..? | 21:04 |
| kulve | if you flashing, just make sure the battery wont run empty.. | 21:05 |
| hap | well if i plug the AC adaptor | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | iirc you can't flash while the n800 is plugged into AC | 21:05 |
| Tak|work | no? | 21:06 |
| hap | ah, how stupid is that ? | 21:06 |
| kulve | at least it can be tricky as you can't shut it down.. | 21:06 |
| Tak|work | you can't hold the home button and plugin? | 21:06 |
| KevinVerma | I just installed WMaker, can some one pls point me out where to configure to start wmaker instead of hildon ? for user | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | the software must be running to monitor the charging process or something, so you can't replace it while it is charging | 21:06 |
| kulve | KevinVerma: check /etc/init.d/af-* if you really know what you are doing.. | 21:08 |
| KevinVerma | kulve, thanks for the tip i sure know what i am upto :) | 21:08 |
| kulve | KevinVerma: and if you get it running, post a link to screenshot on the dev mailing list :) | 21:09 |
| KevinVerma | sure :) | 21:09 |
| zyxulnaga | ok I am doing the tar now | 21:09 |
| zyxulnaga | do I need to exclude /mnt/init* and /proc ? | 21:09 |
| Okko | mgedmin: if the software is not running is it not charging at all or can it overcharge? | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | Okko: I think it's impossible to get into that situation | 21:11 |
| Okko | good :) | 21:12 |
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| kulve | zyxulnaga: yeah | 21:14 |
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| zyxulnaga | tar --exclude /proc --exclude /mnt --exclude /dev --exclude /sys --exclude /tmp -cpvf root.tar / | 21:17 |
| zyxulnaga | that did it | 21:17 |
| zyxulnaga | i need to make a single file now out of the filesystem | 21:18 |
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| guerby | hmm osso-xterm 0.13 doesn't want to install on N800 with 2007.10 | 21:20 |
| guerby | am I alone in seeing this? | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | guerby: try the maemo-hackers version | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | that one installs and works fine | 21:21 |
| * sp3000 grumbles | 21:21 | |
| sp3000 | "...koskettamalla kuvaketta Valmis" | 21:21 |
| sp3000 | uh, it's a buttn, not an icon :) | 21:21 |
| sp3000 | button, even | 21:21 |
| tigert | heh | 21:21 |
| tigert | I think there are more important things to worry about :) | 21:21 |
| sp3000 | (phone wizard) | 21:21 |
| guerby | mgedmin, thanks (I can't add repo since I get an error on app manager update so I'll do the .deb) | 21:22 |
| * sp3000 ponders if it makes sense to ask for time before timezone | 21:22 | |
| KevinVerma | would it be a good idea if n800 ships with a default skell of /home/user in /etc/skel ? | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | when you change the timezone the clock app adjusts the time as well | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | very irritating when you're traveling to a different tz | 21:23 |
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| KevinVerma | so if I screw up or loose my nerves and run a cuttter on /home/user | 21:23 |
| KevinVerma | then i can re-build it the other day without re-flashing ? | 21:23 |
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| guerby | mgedmin, urls for .deb on http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm don't work... | 21:24 |
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| sp3000 | mgedmin: it's a bit weird after flashing when the abs time is right but when it asks you in the first run wizardry it's off by the tz hours | 21:24 |
| KevinVerma | btw i am anyways sick of n800 | 21:24 |
| KevinVerma | i have to re-flash it every week anyways | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | guerby: http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | sp3000: exactly | 21:24 |
| KevinVerma | if i won't then something will screw up on its own | 21:24 |
| Tak|work | KevinVerma: difficult to understand why, when you're doing things like nuking /home/user | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | :) | 21:25 |
| KevinVerma | well lets see... | 21:25 |
| KevinVerma | this morning i updated fbreader and it stopped running anymore | 21:25 |
| KevinVerma | many times it happens that ... | 21:25 |
| KevinVerma | .. | 21:26 |
| KevinVerma | if some update screws up then lot of apps fails to even start | 21:26 |
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| KevinVerma | i hardly have time to fix things on n800 | 21:26 |
| guerby | mgedmin, doesn't work for me, goes to app manager which has an error on update | 21:26 |
| KevinVerma | i can fix big and small things of linux but i don't have luxury of being a stable user of n800 | 21:27 |
| guerby | let's hunt the .deb... | 21:27 |
| KevinVerma | it started to suck for me | 21:27 |
| luckunko | guerby, I've added address:http://repository.maemo.org dist:bora components:free non-free extras and everything is fine | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | guerby: what does the app manager's log say? | 21:27 |
| luckunko | guerby, using the application manager | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | sometimes it complains about some unrelated repository | 21:27 |
| guerby | mgedmin, how do I get the log? | 21:27 |
| guerby | (I disabled all repo) | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | and then you have to go to the app manager and find the package by itself | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | guerby: Tools -> Log | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | in the menu | 21:28 |
| KevinVerma | seriously i have now got my palm back to life to use it for my serious PIM usage at-least | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | yes, the tablet is not PIMmy | 21:28 |
| guerby | mgedmin, "couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ... | 21:29 |
| guerby | "you may want to run apt-get update ..." | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | bah, ignore it | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | you can still install packages from other repos | 21:29 |
| guerby | mgedmin, no it refuses all package even the new camera app | 21:29 |
| guerby | well... | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | refuses when you choose a package in the app installer, or when you click on an install link? | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | isn't the camera app from catalogue.tableteer.etc? | 21:30 |
| guerby | mgedmin, both | 21:30 |
| guerby | I'm totally stuck | 21:30 |
| KevinVerma | mgedmin, its wrong rather nagetive of a vendor to confine users for their scope of usage | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | well, if my lawn mower cannot vacuum carpets, is that negative of the vendor too? | 21:32 |
| KevinVerma | especially for open standards | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | although it does seem that nokia doesn't understand the open source ecosystem/community very well | 21:32 |
| KevinVerma | bet then i know the pains if they don't draw the line - too | 21:32 |
| Tak|work | I know, my lawnmower doesn't even change diapers! | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | Tak|work: how many babies have you used up testing that? | 21:33 |
| KevinVerma | yeah , but what is it with maemo - are we actually short on developers ? | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | yes | 21:33 |
| KevinVerma | or there are just too many apps to make ? | 21:33 |
| Tak|work | don't worry, they weren't mine | 21:33 |
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| KevinVerma | the updates are so slow , i consider general linux development is much faster | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | imagine if somebody like mark shuttleworth hired a bunch of debian developers and started maintaining a single repository with addon packages | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | ported, hildonized, tested and working | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | helping volunteers get their own packages into that repository too | 21:34 |
| tigert | "nokia" is a weird term, as we consist of various people | 21:35 |
| tigert | for sure there are people who have zero clue about free software | 21:35 |
| tigert | then we have people who do | 21:35 |
| sp3000 | and three teaspoons of vinegar | 21:35 |
| zyxulnaga | is there a way to change the device lock code? (note I had never set it before and its prompting me for one) | 21:35 |
| zyxulnaga | n800 | 21:35 |
| tigert | zyxulnaga: try 12345? | 21:35 |
| zyxulnaga | cool | 21:36 |
| zyxulnaga | thx | 21:36 |
| tigert | or maybe it prompts you to set it? | 21:36 |
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| tigert | if you did powerbutton -> lock ? | 21:36 |
| tigert | it asks you to set the code if it wasnt set before I guess? | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | heh, I had that problem with voicemail in denmark | 21:36 |
| KevinVerma | well actually bravo of Ari to get this all this far .. | 21:36 |
| zyxulnaga | nop just to change it | 21:36 |
| zyxulnaga | 12345 worked | 21:36 |
| tigert | Ari is pretty good guy | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | when I first dialled into the mailbox, I heard a long Danish phrase, and the only bit I understood was 1 2 3 4 | 21:36 |
| KevinVerma | but however many times I have seen my RFE's being shutup on me by nokia developers | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | I thought that was the default code and tried entering it | 21:37 |
| tigert | its not easy for him to be between all those different stakeholders | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | turns out the man said "now pick and enter any code EXCEPT 1 2 3 4" | 21:37 |
| tigert | KevinVerma: RFE? | 21:37 |
| KevinVerma | off course not all rfe's that i had put up were useful but some of them made sense | 21:37 |
| KevinVerma | request for future features | 21:37 |
| tigert | ah | 21:37 |
| tigert | yea | 21:37 |
| tigert | the problem is | 21:37 |
| KevinVerma | future enhancements | 21:37 |
| sp3000 | req for enh | 21:37 |
| tigert | the development has been so disconnected from the community | 21:37 |
| tigert | that by the time you guys had the stuff on your hands | 21:38 |
| tigert | the stuff that is being developed is totally different code and stuff | 21:38 |
| guerby | mgedmin, saved, I was able to install libncurse then osso-xterm | 21:38 |
| tigert | so things are way "too late" in that sense | 21:38 |
| KevinVerma | well it will be great if the development of maemo can be free / liberal as fedora or gentoo kind of projects | 21:38 |
| tigert | and the ui designers did not follow the community at all | 21:38 |
| tigert | we try to change this though | 21:38 |
| KevinVerma | but then i realized one funny technical problem | 21:38 |
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| KevinVerma | wanna know ? | 21:38 |
| tigert | but its a big machine and I know I have been saying this for a year :( | 21:38 |
| jku__ | tigert, just keep at it... | 21:39 |
| tigert | but people _do_ read bugzilla | 21:39 |
| tigert | and developers are being told to treat the public bugzilla with importance | 21:39 |
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| tigert | the biggest problem usually is that patches etc are too late :( | 21:39 |
| KevinVerma | well let me tell you why n800 is not able to be a better community project | 21:40 |
| tigert | since we are moving at a different pace internally | 21:40 |
| tigert | which sucks | 21:40 |
| tigert | but sardine tries to fix that | 21:40 |
| tigert | we are now really pushing it as our internal devel platform | 21:40 |
| KevinVerma | i have a blessing of having lot many embedded developers backing interesting ideas where i work ... but then | 21:40 |
| tigert | thus it hopefully wont be so fricken broken all the time | 21:40 |
| KevinVerma | they tried to add fun to my n800 device ... but asked me to attach a serial port ..... | 21:41 |
| KevinVerma | now a serial port ? | 21:41 |
| KevinVerma | was it easy as an accessory ? | 21:41 |
| tigert | it has one | 21:41 |
| KevinVerma | NO | 21:41 |
| KevinVerma | i could solder one ! | 21:41 |
| tigert | but it needs this thingy | 21:41 |
| zyxulnaga | the omap board supports it | 21:42 |
| tigert | since there are just contact pads | 21:42 |
| zyxulnaga | but nokia doesnt use it i think | 21:42 |
| KevinVerma | then i would end up having a cool star trek device with a TAIL | 21:42 |
| tigert | but usb->serial probably works fine | 21:42 |
| tigert | as well | 21:42 |
| zyxulnaga | BT is good too | 21:42 |
| tigert | yeah | 21:42 |
| KevinVerma | even if i test my kernels from my friends ? | 21:42 |
| zyxulnaga | I use BT to connect to wired networks | 21:42 |
| tigert | carman + bt serial | 21:42 |
| tigert | :) | 21:42 |
| tigert | I need to get the scantool | 21:43 |
| sxpert | bt would need a complete overhaul in the protocol to be useful. | 21:43 |
| zyxulnaga | it works as is by default | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | bt is useful, but it is also irritating | 21:43 |
| zyxulnaga | you can emulate an IP network on it | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | scans take ages, connection establishing is slow | 21:43 |
| zyxulnaga | to me it works very fast | 21:44 |
| sxpert | mgedmin, for instance, I'd like a button on my earpiece to switch phones | 21:44 |
| sxpert | (I have 2) | 21:44 |
| zyxulnaga | i was sftp'd to it | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | ah, yes, and the user interface is often cumbersome | 21:44 |
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| sp3000 | hrm | 21:45 |
| sp3000 | is it actually possible to find anything on downloads.maemo.org? | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | sp3000: occasionally | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | pretty rarely, though | 21:45 |
| sp3000 | like, 'xterm' doesn't find http://downloads.maemo.org/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 21:45 |
| sp3000 | wth is up with that | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | the search is pretty broken | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | what else is there? | 21:46 |
| guerby | mgedmin, ok now I undestand. I set up privoxy a while ago, and I removed it a few days ago in connectivity settings (before updating) | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | (that's rhetorical) | 21:46 |
| guerby | however it looks like application manager is still trying to connect to privoxy | 21:46 |
| guerby | hence the update failure | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | sp3000: potential | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | it shuold be asy enough to replace with google site:downloads.maemo.org ... | 21:46 |
| sp3000 | hah | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | that's what's there | 21:47 |
| guerby | mgedmin, now where is the file where app manager has memorized it wants a proxy | 21:47 |
| sp3000 | for frustration, sure :) | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | good question | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | check its settings? | 21:47 |
| guerby | mgedmin, I'm not finding anything there | 21:47 |
| tigert | sp3000: file bugs | 21:47 |
| * sp3000 cries | 21:48 | |
| * mgedmin never used proxies | 21:48 | |
| tigert | sp3000: to the the maemo2midgard project in garage | 21:48 |
| guerby | mgedmin, me neither but I tried privoxy just to see what it was :) | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | there are plenty of bugs there... | 21:48 |
| jku__ | mgedmin, privoxy is great for n800/770 | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | and not enough developers to do something about it, I got the impression | 21:48 |
| jku__ | no more ads... | 21:48 |
| * mgedmin does not browse those web sites that have obnoxious ads | 21:49 | |
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| Okko | hmm, why do I need to flash the N800 to update to the latest software, couldn't it just update the .debs with the app manager? | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | that's a planned feature for the future | 21:50 |
| Okko | okay | 21:51 |
| guerby | mgedmin, do you know where the openssh .deb is? (URL) | 21:52 |
| Robot101 | the debian packaging quality is apalling | 21:52 |
| Robot101 | in many cases, upgrading will fail horribly | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | guerby: repository.maemo.org | 21:52 |
| * mgedmin assumes Robot101 is talking about 3rd party apps for maemo | 21:53 | |
| guerby | mgedmin, it's a web page, what is the repo http url? | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | downloads.maemo.org lacks a way to distinguish tested and working apps from experimental stuff | 21:54 |
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| Robot101 | mgedmin: ... no | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | guerby: try looking under /dists; I don't remember | 21:54 |
| guerby | dists ok! | 21:54 |
| keesj | sorry but I just already rulez so much that we get intructions how to flash it under linux | 21:54 |
| * mgedmin suggests fixing the proxy settings and using the app manager | 21:54 | |
| keesj | no wizards no sh*t just ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R I just love it | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | mm, unixy cmdline goodness | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | :) | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | don't forget chmod +x and sudo | 21:55 |
| keesj | the last Troubleshooting tip http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux is also pretty geeky. | 21:56 |
| * mgedmin sees maemo halfway between horrible and excellent, and is afraid that our constant whining may drive away the people who could push it towards excellence | 21:56 | |
| keesj | It's pretty hard to do stuff right . be open etc. apparently even whining is apreciated, and listented to | 21:59 |
| keesj | I just want nokia to find a way to sell many of those devices. it looks like they are moving towards the multi-media experiance/ home device | 22:00 |
| tigert | the whining does help | 22:00 |
| tigert | plus writing to Ari's blog etc | 22:01 |
| tigert | ie, comments | 22:01 |
| tigert | not suggesting you hax0r it and post entries =) | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | :) | 22:01 |
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| * sp3000 rofl | 22:02 | |
| sp3000 | http://downloads.maemo.org/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=xterm&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_sear | 22:02 |
| sp3000 | ch%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bproperty%5D=status&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&fetch=Fetch%21 | 22:02 |
| sp3000 | now try entering that search url into the url box of a garage bug report | 22:03 |
| keesj | bwt download of tuxpaint and supertux did not work I did get a mindard error | 22:03 |
| tigert | please file bugs | 22:04 |
| tigert | and bug bergie :) | 22:04 |
| sxpert | tigert, any knowledge of the N70 ? I have it connected via USB, but can't seem to get USB storage for the data. I only get the modem part to show up | 22:04 |
| mgedmin | hm, I do not see the camera app in my app manager | 22:04 |
| keesj | (and search for tux only return tuxpaint and not supertux) I already see the sql being created :p | 22:04 |
| tigert | I have no idea about phones | 22:04 |
| tigert | sxpert: hmmm | 22:04 |
| tigert | sxpert: I think one phone I had had this "pc link" app | 22:04 |
| tigert | that was actually a program to fire up usb-storage? | 22:05 |
| sp3000 | tigert: yeah the problem with reporting bugs is they see you coming and attack you en masse | 22:05 |
| tigert | sp3000: ? | 22:05 |
| sp3000 | ...you end up finding more :) | 22:05 |
| panthar | maddler: have you had any more luck with the N800/BT PAN stuff/ | 22:05 |
| keesj | hmm still no sdhc in the kernel :( | 22:05 |
| keesj | panthar: I have also been playing with bt pan,(with lame retults) | 22:06 |
| panthar | it works great for apps launched from the shell | 22:07 |
| panthar | but.. | 22:07 |
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| panthar | trying to get all the "normal" apps to believe that a connection is there = ugh | 22:08 |
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| sp3000 | hrm, do you have to linkify your urls yourself on garage reports/comments somehow? :( | 22:08 |
| sxpert | tigert, the interweb tells me the stupid thing doesn't do USB storage... | 22:09 |
| sxpert | gah, wtf is the phone part of nokia doing there ?? | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | I thought them computer thingamabobs were supposed to do this fancy stuff | 22:09 |
| sxpert | guess not. crap | 22:09 |
| zyxulnaga | kulve: it didnt work :/ | 22:10 |
| kulve | zyxulnaga: what part? | 22:10 |
| zyxulnaga | after flashing with my own rootfs it started rebooting endlessly | 22:10 |
| kulve | hmm.. | 22:10 |
| kulve | try disabling the life guard reset.. | 22:10 |
| keesj | there was a garage project for the downloads , where I can fill bugs but I don't remember the name of the project | 22:10 |
| kulve | and install syslog. Maybe it will show the reason | 22:10 |
| sp3000 | hrm | 22:11 |
| sp3000 | garage didn't give me an email trail of filing a bug | 22:11 |
| keesj | (and it's not in the faq :P ) | 22:11 |
| dragorn | so if anyone cares, the new firmware for the n800 doesn't seem to have the latest cx3110 drivers | 22:11 |
| dragorn | which means it still thrashes in rfmon | 22:11 |
| sp3000 | now I can go and explicitly monitor the, uh, artifact | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | keesj: midgard2maemo | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | iirc | 22:11 |
| keesj | thanks | 22:11 |
| zyxulnaga | how do I disable the life guard check? | 22:11 |
| sp3000 | but I don't see in the garage prefs anything about automatically monitoring what I file | 22:12 |
| sp3000 | which is kind of essential | 22:12 |
| kulve | zyxulnaga: flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags help | 22:12 |
| sp3000 | (the reverse, not so much) | 22:12 |
| guerby | mgedmin, could you try gconftool-2 -R /system/proxy | 22:13 |
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| guerby | and report what you see? | 22:13 |
| guerby | socks_host = | 22:13 |
| guerby | mode = none | 22:13 |
| guerby | secure_host = localhost | 22:13 |
| guerby | ftp_host = | 22:13 |
| guerby | rtsp_host = | 22:13 |
| guerby | socks_port = 0 | 22:13 |
| guerby | secure_port = 8118 | 22:13 |
| guerby | ftp_port = 0 | 22:13 |
| guerby | rtsp_port = 0 | 22:13 |
| guerby | autoconfig_url = | 22:13 |
| guerby | I suspect app manager does not respect mode = none | 22:13 |
| * sp3000 looks into the future and sees a pastebin | 22:13 | |
| mgedmin | guerby: http://pastey.net/9074 | 22:14 |
| jku__ | sp3000 you obviously have talent | 22:14 |
| guerby | mgedmin, thanks! | 22:14 |
| sp3000 | clearly :) | 22:14 |
| keesj | sp3000 the trackers contain a "monitor" feature | 22:15 |
| keesj | sdf | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | yeah | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | hmm | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | "If you add comments to this item, or submitted, or are assigned this item, you will also get emails for those reasons as well! " | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | so I guess I don't need to monitor | 22:16 |
| guerby | mgedmin, http://pastey.net/9075 could you try gconftool-2 -R /system/http_proxy | 22:16 |
| sp3000 | but I'd like to get the initial message in mail too, since, you know, I might look for stuff I've touched, there | 22:16 |
| * sp3000 <3 bugzilla | 22:17 | |
| mgedmin | guerby: http://pastey.net/9076 | 22:17 |
| * mgedmin ♥ unicode | 22:17 | |
| sp3000 | showoff :P | 22:18 |
| guerby | mgedmin, thanks again. Now why is the thing set to true when I checked no proxy... | 22:18 |
| * sp3000 can't remember the unicode code point for love | 22:18 | |
| sp3000 | but I know several dashes! | 22:18 |
| * sp3000 sighs | 22:18 | |
| * mgedmin knows how to zgrep /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/UTF-8.gz | 22:18 | |
| zyxulnaga | kulve: done, its rebooting again :/ | 22:18 |
| zyxulnaga | it waits a bit in the main screen with the product, hw-build info | 22:19 |
| zyxulnaga | i guess there could be something wrong with the tar path | 22:19 |
| zyxulnaga | maybe i had to append / | 22:19 |
| keesj | I still can't login to the downloads is that a known issue? | 22:20 |
| kulve | zyxulnaga: too bad :( | 22:20 |
| kulve | it's hard to debug that.. | 22:20 |
| zyxulnaga | yeah | 22:20 |
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| panthar | keesj: do you know how the Connection Manager knows when a connection is... connected? | 22:23 |
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| kulve | probably through the conic api | 22:24 |
| panthar | wish I could just send it a dbus message and say, 'yup, connection worked' | 22:25 |
| kulve | panthar: have you checked http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_connectivity_guide_bora.html | 22:26 |
| kulve | panthar: what do you mean actually..? | 22:26 |
| panthar | well, I can watch for the PAN connection attempt easily, set the thing up nicely | 22:27 |
| panthar | then I want to tell the connection manager that it succeeded | 22:27 |
| kulve | I think the connection manager is just a gui to the user.. Telling something to it doesn't affect anything.. | 22:28 |
| panthar | well, behind the scenes | 22:28 |
| sxpert | tigert, ok, got something. apparently you have to use obexftp ... | 22:28 |
| sp3000 | oh bloody kitten on a flaming bicycle | 22:28 |
| sxpert | guess I'll be writing some python code | 22:28 |
| panthar | but the link you pasted could help a lot.. | 22:28 |
| sp3000 | if I search for %Xterm% or *Xterm* it finds it | 22:29 |
| sp3000 | nobody's done search like that since the 90s | 22:29 |
| sp3000 | and even then they'd find whole words :( | 22:30 |
| kulve | panthar: for 770 there's also http://maemo.org/maemowiki/DummyIAP | 22:31 |
| kulve | but I think I haven't seen similar for n800 | 22:31 |
| panthar | yeah, that's what I'm trying to make work :) | 22:31 |
| panthar | a workaround for lack of dummy | 22:31 |
| mgedmin | wow | 22:31 |
| * mgedmin suddenly wants to search for something like xterm'; DELETE FROM * | 22:32 | |
| sp3000 | mgedmin: yeah, the org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE part of the url gave me a hint | 22:33 |
| mgedmin | whew, looks like quotes are escaped properly, so no sql injection bugs | 22:35 |
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| guerby | mgedmin, ok I got a set of steps to reproduce, now bugzilla | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | bugzilla is good | 22:37 |
| keesj | ²wow | 22:39 |
| keesj | awfull , | 22:39 |
| guerby | oh | 22:39 |
| guerby | mgedmin, already reported by someone: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=998 | 22:40 |
| * sp3000 can't get "how do you work this thing" out of his head today | 22:40 | |
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| sp3000 | I've tried and tried | 22:41 |
| sp3000 | well, not really | 22:41 |
| keesj | mgedmin this is the escape from the browser | 22:42 |
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| hap | Is there something to convert my mac os x addressbook for my n800 ? | 22:50 |
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| Veggen | apart from a full tar of /home/user and the package list, is there usually anything else I need that the standard backup util doesn't take? | 22:54 |
| hap | how do you get the package list btw | 22:54 |
| hap | dpkg --list-packages ? | 22:54 |
| panthar | dpkg -l shows what's installed | 22:54 |
| Veggen | hap: dpkg --get-selections is useful. | 22:54 |
| hap | ah yeah | 22:55 |
| hap | too late, i'm downloading the firmware | 22:55 |
| sp3000 | Veggen: why not everything, it doesn't take that long after all | 22:55 |
| Veggen | true. | 22:55 |
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| sp3000 | but maybe that's generally just how I end up filling storage ;) | 22:56 |
| * sp3000 tries to figure out if it's the desk lamp, the bulb, or the power that's being flaky tonight | 22:57 | |
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| Veggen | sp3000: or, you. | 22:59 |
| Veggen | (can happen if you had too much to drink ;P | 22:59 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, I guess the missing .install in sw search gives green arrow that leads to a midgard stack is appropriately bugged about somewhere | 23:05 |
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| sp3000 | oh, no, it's not | 23:06 |
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| sp3000 | hm | 23:07 |
| sp3000 | keesj: ping | 23:07 |
| sp3000 | keesj: where did you try to click on .installs to get a midgard dump? | 23:07 |
| sp3000 | ah, those break on the project pages themselves | 23:08 |
| sp3000 | nm | 23:08 |
| sp3000 | hm, no, tuxpaint doesn't | 23:08 |
| sp3000 | that only breaks for me with http://downloads.maemo.org/search/none in the search, not on its own page, where it gets the grey arrow | 23:09 |
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| sp3000 | which is the case I ran to | 23:09 |
| sp3000 | into, even | 23:09 |
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| sp3000 | wait a second | 23:10 |
| * sp3000 is confused now | 23:11 | |
| * sp3000 wonders what sort of magic crack makes a search for 'tux' find TuxPaint but not TuxPuck | 23:13 | |
| Tak|work | or 'chat' not find "maemo x-chat" | 23:16 |
| * sp3000 monitors another artifact | 23:17 | |
| sp3000 | I'm such an artifact monitor | 23:17 |
| sxpert | there, I can spawn "obexftp" and read the xml file that comes back ;D | 23:18 |
| sxpert | now I need to analyse that xml file ;D | 23:19 |
| Tak|work | hell, even a search for tuxpuck doesn't find tuxpuck | 23:20 |
| Tak|work | it's unsearchable | 23:20 |
| Tak|work | same with maemo x-chat | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | xchat can be found if you search for "x-chat" | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | at least it used to be | 23:21 |
| sp3000 | that works | 23:22 |
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| Tak|work | awesome | 23:24 |
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| guerby | wow youtube video work just fine | 23:33 |
| Veggen | ....reinstalling all the packages semi-automatically now. | 23:33 |
| Veggen | (tho, confirming every install) | 23:33 |
| guerby | Veggen, how semi automatic? | 23:34 |
| * sp3000 doesn't | 23:34 | |
| Veggen | with --get-selections to file, then: | 23:34 |
| * sp3000 is curious about to what extent finding and installing stuff manually sucks less now than last time | 23:34 | |
| Veggen | for i in `cat /path/to/packagelist | cut -f1`; do apt-get install $i;done | 23:35 |
| Veggen | tho, better remove busybox first from the list, just to be sure :) | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | hm | 23:36 |
| guerby | Veggen, you're more organized than me :) | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | if osso-xterm depends on vera, why doesn't it default to it? | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | or, conversely, why depend on it if you don't default to it | 23:36 |
| guerby | anyway I spent two hours on this one: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=998 | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | it should of course, it's that dramatically better | 23:37 |
| * sp3000 slaps gforge | 23:38 | |
| sp3000 | so I'll receive notifications if I comment, so it tells me | 23:38 |
| Veggen | tho, everything that's not from a repository is lost, I guess. Have to find out that I miss it. Half of it, I won't, tho ;) | 23:39 |
| sp3000 | but if I run across something interesting, it's hard to know if I need not to monitor because I've commented | 23:39 |
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| sp3000 | then again, clicking on monitor isn't much work | 23:39 |
| * sp3000 shrugs | 23:39 | |
| guerby | video is indeed waaaaaaayy better | 23:40 |
| sp3000 | also, wow, gforge's notification mails suck wrt comment content and ordering :( (well, imo) | 23:41 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:42 |
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| * sp3000 grumbles at the webmail notifier | 23:45 | |
| mgedmin | youtube still does not cut it | 23:45 |
| * sp3000 would rather be directed to mail/h/ since it lays out better | 23:45 | |
| mgedmin | video lags from audio by several seconds | 23:45 |
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| mgedmin | at least audio doesn't stutter any more when you switch quality to low | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | but you have to do that manually for each flash movie, the plugin resets it to high every time | 23:46 |
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| sp3000 | oh, my bad, it does default to it, just the font install takes a reboot (or other magic dust) | 23:48 |
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