| rhsanborn | Im using the n800 with the thinkoutside stowaway keyboard. But, when I went to use the escape button, I found out that the fn button causes a menu to pop up... | 00:00 |
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| rhsanborn | Has anyone encountered this, and do you know of a work around. I was of the assumption that the esc key was pretty important in vi | 00:01 |
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| lle2 | rhsanborn: control-c does the same in vi | 00:02 |
| rhsanborn | lle2, ah, cool, good to know. Thx. Still a bit irritating that the 800 is picking up that key press. That key should be completely ignored | 00:02 |
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| lle2 | rhsanborn: I never use esc in vi, it's too far out, C-c is much more natural ;) | 00:05 |
| rhsanborn | lle2, probably more habit than anything | 00:06 |
| dolfun_ | vi is all about habits | 00:07 |
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| lle2 | yeah, could be a left-over from my dark emacs days | 00:08 |
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| * sp3000 slaps the ~'not allowed' in lieu of a 'media full' when creating a folder on a full mmc | 00:09 | |
| myren | i justed asked about alterantives to esc in vi | 00:09 |
| myren | evidently ^[ is the third option | 00:09 |
| myren | which i like a little more than ^c | 00:09 |
| rhsanborn | Im in no way handy with vi. But its the best word processor on the 800, and prolly the best solution for most people, myself included. I still have to learn it yet though | 00:09 |
| lle2 | on a finnish keyboard ^[ is not terribly handy ;) | 00:09 |
| lle2 | C-AltGr-9 | 00:10 |
| lle2 | no, 8 | 00:10 |
| sxpert | lle2, it'd be C-AltGr-5 here | 00:10 |
| sxpert | erh. no C-AltGr-( in fact | 00:11 |
| sxpert | you have to use shift for the digits | 00:11 |
| sxpert | (totally stupid if you ask me) | 00:11 |
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| rhsanborn | sxpert, depends on which you use more often, numbers or certain symbols | 00:12 |
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| lle2 | heh, neat way of replacing one keypress with four | 00:12 |
| Veggen | rhsanbord: I once, to get better in vi (although it was before that my favourite already), took the "learn one new vi feature every day"-approach. It helps (with "learn", I mean "learn to use", not only "learn of") | 00:12 |
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| Markov | hey. is there a way to step through directions with maemo mapper | 00:13 |
| * dolfun plans 4 hours SDL pixel doubling study, 4 hours Athena Widgets / Tome study and conversion to hildon, and 4 hours debian/maemo study (packaging) for today | 00:13 | |
| Veggen | http://www.stanford.edu/services/pubsw/package/editors/vitutor.html is also a good resource for getting better in vi. | 00:14 |
| rhsanborn | Thanks Veggen | 00:14 |
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| dolfun | http://www.arm.com/support/faqdev/1228.html | 00:46 |
| dolfun | pointer alignment is important when porting apps | 00:47 |
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| rhsanborn | Anyone know if someone has made an alternative email client for the 800 yet? | 01:29 |
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| jwb | rhsanborn, claws was released recently | 01:30 |
| jwb | it works fairly well | 01:30 |
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| dolfun | xmame needs a mouse-rotation for rotated mode games | 01:33 |
| rhsanborn | Iĺl take a look at it, thanks | 01:33 |
| dolfun | synergy client needs a screen-blanking disabler | 01:33 |
| rhsanborn | I would be so happy if I could do something as easy as delete multiple emails | 01:34 |
| dolfun | rhsanborn: that's a pretty important function | 01:35 |
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| rhsanborn | I might look into compiling pine or mutt. Not sure how theyd turn out though | 01:35 |
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| s100user | I use pine vey often on my 770 | 01:39 |
| s100user | the only problem is that with the keyboard, you only get 4 or 5 lines of text... | 01:40 |
| s100user | and using CTRL+X to send a message is a bit tricky.. | 01:40 |
| dolfun | the scratchbox vi has an incredibly annoying search (/) function which returns away from the found text when you hit esc | 01:40 |
| dolfun | anybody know this issue? | 01:40 |
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| rhsanborn | s100user, I have an external keyboard. So difficulties like on screen kb and funny key commands are now null...for me :P | 01:41 |
| rhsanborn | Because its a terminal program, do you think I could use the 700 pine install on the 800? | 01:44 |
| dolfun | ah, copying the /etc/vim files to scratchbox solved it | 01:44 |
| mrflakes | hey all, i am running python2.4 on my n800. and in the interactive shell i am not able to use the direction pad, or arrows on my keyboard to navigate the current line of input or to scroll up or down to access my command history. all i get are ascii escape sequences | 01:50 |
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| mrflakes | any ideas on what causes this? i can navigate just fine when on the bash prompt in xterm | 01:58 |
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| dolfun | mrflakes: install 2.5 | 02:24 |
| mrflakes | haha | 02:25 |
| mrflakes | i am going to have to. just trying to delay the inevitable | 02:25 |
| dolfun | why is it a problem? | 02:26 |
| mrflakes | well i modified the 2.4 python install slightly to get django running | 02:27 |
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| dolfun | oh right | 02:29 |
| mrflakes | i'm just being lazy, or stubborn | 02:29 |
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| dolfun | ah much better Xsp docs found: "use the source, Luke!" https://stage.maemo.org/svn/emdebian/target/trunk/xsp/README | 02:35 |
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| dolfun | > The memory bandwidth to the N800 LCD framebuffer is 3 times slower that | 02:38 |
| dolfun | > the bandwidth in the N770 | 02:38 |
| maddler | dolfun: yep... read that... | 02:39 |
| maddler | :| | 02:39 |
| mrflakes | pssh that stinks | 02:39 |
| maddler | yep... | 02:39 |
| maddler | and I also finished my cold beer! | 02:39 |
| mrflakes | huzzah! | 02:40 |
| maddler | uh? | 02:40 |
| maddler | any good source for .pdb/.fb2 ebooks? | 02:41 |
| mrflakes | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzzah | 02:41 |
| maddler | hehehe... nice... | 02:42 |
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| rhsanborn | since cli programs dont have much for UI issues, can most of them be compiled into the 800 without modification? | 02:46 |
| dolfun | yes if dependencies are available | 02:47 |
| dolfun | of course, not cli programs that do low-level hardware stuff | 02:48 |
| rhsanborn | dolfun, fantastic, thanks. There are a bunch of silly things that would be nice... | 02:48 |
| dolfun | like what | 02:48 |
| b0unc3 | why metalayer-crawler trying to index my sd card if in CRAWLPATH /media/mmc1 is not set ? | 02:48 |
| maddler | rhsanborn: give a look at Mud-Builder | 02:48 |
| rhsanborn | bitchx, cuz I can use zoom keys, mutt, ping, etc | 02:49 |
| maddler | b0unc3: hmmm... wasn't CRAWLPATH part of my workaround? | 02:49 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: maybe... | 02:50 |
| maddler | line 47 -> dsmetool -f "$DAEMON -F -c $CRAWLPATH" -U $USER | 02:50 |
| maddler | yes... it is... :D | 02:50 |
| maddler | check line 47 | 02:50 |
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| maddler | it should look like this... | 02:51 |
| maddler | if not add -c $CRAWLPATH | 02:51 |
| b0unc3 | dsmetool -f "$DAEMON -F -c $CRAWLPATH" -U $USER | 02:51 |
| maddler | do you have any symlink to MMC1? | 02:52 |
| b0unc3 | no | 02:52 |
| maddler | e.g.: MyDocs/Root -> /media/mmc1 | 02:52 |
| maddler | sure? | 02:52 |
| b0unc3 | yes | 02:53 |
| maddler | :) | 02:53 |
| maddler | sure sure sure? :) | 02:53 |
| maddler | ok... then I don't know... | 02:53 |
| maddler | it should only crawl paths in CRAWLPATH | 02:53 |
| b0unc3 | in ps list the daemon seem to look in the CRAWLPATH dir, but lsof show me that metalayer is to index my mmc | 02:55 |
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| maddler | strange... | 02:58 |
| maddler | BTW I ended up disabling crawlpath... and launch it by hand whenever I add new media files... ;) | 02:59 |
| maddler | considered I rarely add new media files... | 02:59 |
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| b0unc3 | but metalayer-crawler it's called by mediaplayer-engine | 03:02 |
| b0unc3 | ? | 03:02 |
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| maddler | yep... | 03:10 |
| maddler | mediaplayer won't see any file that wasn't indexed by the crawler... | 03:10 |
| maddler | LOL! Ebay item #320094691127 -> N800 490E! | 03:11 |
| b0unc3 | blah | 03:14 |
| b0unc3 | need to sleep | 03:15 |
| b0unc3 | night. | 03:15 |
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| dolfun | cu b0unc3 | 03:17 |
| maddler | b0unc3: bye | 03:25 |
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| dolfun | can i restart the x server without rebooting? | 03:37 |
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| JussiP | ctrl+alt+backspace | 03:39 |
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| jwb | wtf | 04:07 |
| dolfun | i meant on the 770 when i get black screen with horizontal white line at top | 04:08 |
| dolfun | but i found a way to exit sdl app safely | 04:08 |
| dolfun | hit home button | 04:08 |
| dolfun | click on xterm | 04:08 |
| dolfun | ctrl+c in xterm | 04:08 |
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| neostrider | hello folks! | 05:29 |
| neostrider | things are a little slow here ahn | 05:31 |
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| dolfun | yah | 05:37 |
| dolfun | 4:36 AM central europe | 05:37 |
| neostrider | wow | 05:37 |
| neostrider | just 12:36 in brazil =-P | 05:37 |
| neostrider | AM | 05:37 |
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| neostrider | dolfun. just as a update: im updating from mistral to gregale | 05:41 |
| neostrider | I guess its best to only support the lastest version | 05:41 |
| dolfun | the latest IT 2006 image i found was still mistral | 05:42 |
| neostrider | why? | 05:42 |
| dolfun | i don't know | 05:42 |
| neostrider | all the images are in the same page | 05:42 |
| neostrider | maemo restricted downloads | 05:42 |
| neostrider | do you still have the file laying around? | 05:42 |
| dolfun | is there a gregale image? | 05:42 |
| dolfun | yes | 05:43 |
| neostrider | gregale is: Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin | 05:43 |
| Tak | 2246 in tx | 05:44 |
| dolfun | neostrider: i installed SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5 | 05:44 |
| dolfun | _MR0_ARM.bi | 05:44 |
| dolfun | n | 05:44 |
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| neostrider | hummm | 05:45 |
| neostrider | i dont really know that is that version | 05:45 |
| dolfun | thanks for the info | 05:45 |
| neostrider | http://www.maemo.org//downloads/d2.php | 05:46 |
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| neostrider | I took the "lastest release" | 05:47 |
| neostrider | hoping that is gregale | 05:47 |
| dolfun | yes | 05:47 |
| dolfun | if you package an app for gregale, can a mistral user install it? | 05:48 |
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| neostrider | i guess so | 05:49 |
| neostrider | but hey | 05:49 |
| neostrider | who runs mistral can freely reflash to gregale | 05:49 |
| neostrider | "but reflashing is for hackers!?" | 05:49 |
| neostrider | not in windows ;-) | 05:49 |
| neostrider | have you tried reflashing in windows? its a breeze | 05:50 |
| dolfun | ah no | 05:50 |
| neostrider | the problem is: I dont like using windows at all | 05:50 |
| neostrider | so I will stick up with the console reflasher =-D | 05:50 |
| neostrider | oops | 05:51 |
| neostrider | the link I gave you is wrong | 05:51 |
| neostrider | http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 | 05:52 |
| neostrider | that is the correct one | 05:52 |
| dolfun | ok ry | 05:53 |
| dolfun | ty | 05:53 |
| dolfun | still working on pixel-doubling | 05:55 |
| Tak | I thought you got it... | 05:55 |
| dolfun | there are some sdl issues i haven't worked out | 05:55 |
| dolfun | it doesn't work when i init video to 320x240, only with 800x480 | 05:56 |
| Tak | ditto | 05:56 |
| dolfun | thanks good to know | 05:57 |
| Tak | fceu runs @ 800x480 | 05:57 |
| dolfun | then i think i just change the desination of the putrect | 05:57 |
| neostrider | im going to reflash | 05:58 |
| neostrider | cross you fingers! | 05:59 |
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| neostrider | Brazillian Portuguese is gone from gregale!!! | 06:10 |
| neostrider | also is gone that cool orange theme! | 06:12 |
| dolfun | SO CLOSE | 06:13 |
| neostrider | oops | 06:13 |
| neostrider | I guess I reflashed a older image! | 06:13 |
| neostrider | damn | 06:13 |
| dolfun | intro scene working pixel doubled, main menu still unsetting doubling | 06:14 |
| neostrider | floating to bed | 06:16 |
| neostrider | goodbye fellows | 06:16 |
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| dolfun | well just tried ur-quan masters with music and combat | 06:54 |
| dolfun | and pixel doubling | 06:54 |
| dolfun | the good news: it's FAST! perfectly playable :))) | 06:54 |
| dolfun | the bad news is summarized here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1506&page=4 | 06:55 |
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| ptman | Where can I file bugs for test.maemo.org? I've been unable to log into downloads.maemo.org for nearly two weeks now | 09:24 |
| MDK | hmm | 09:27 |
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| bergie | ptman: I've been trying to bug Ferenc about it | 09:45 |
| bergie | apparently the connection between that site and Maemo Garage's postgres DB is somehow down | 09:45 |
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| tigert | morning | 09:55 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 10:59 |
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| sbaturzio | aloha! | 11:22 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:27 |
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| keesj | Hi, | 11:55 |
| keesj | Somebody here once posted a great webpage about stuff like performing "mod without mod and such" does one remember what where that was? | 11:56 |
| keesj | I think I have found it http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html | 11:58 |
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| dolfun_beer | mod without mod | 12:04 |
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| dolfun_beer | mod is too vague | 12:04 |
| dolfun_beer | what people need to realize here | 12:04 |
| dolfun_beer | is that | 12:04 |
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| dolfun | we are a small community of people who want to see maemo succeed | 12:05 |
| dolfun | we should not treat this like #debian or something | 12:05 |
| dolfun | everything that happens to maemo is relatively untested | 12:05 |
| dolfun | and no whining is going to help | 12:06 |
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| Jaffa | dolfun: the counterpoint is that Nokia is not a charity. | 12:15 |
| koen | so we paid €400 to get no support? | 12:16 |
| dolfun | you paid x to get a device that did what it claimed to do | 12:18 |
| dolfun | just about everything we do here is added functionality | 12:18 |
| dolfun | nokia delivered a product that *worked* | 12:19 |
| koen | it did? | 12:19 |
| dolfun | everything we do to add to it is our business | 12:19 |
| koen | no it isn't | 12:19 |
| dolfun | nokia didn't sell me a 770 claiming it would support pixel doubling with every sdl app | 12:20 |
| dolfun | that's *MY* problem | 12:20 |
| koen | flashing an official nokia firmware not added functionailty | 12:20 |
| dolfun | what nokia sold me worked. | 12:20 |
| dolfun | flashing official nokia firmware works also, koen | 12:22 |
| * zulla is just disappointed that the n800 hardware design made 800x480 video impossible due to the bandwidth problem... | 12:23 | |
| dolfun | zulla: it seems nokia reliazed this only after choosing the ti omap | 12:24 |
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| zulla | dolfun: Yes, I guess Nokia is just as disappointed about it. Wish they could say that in public. | 12:24 |
| zulla | so let's hope for the next hardware revision... | 12:25 |
| dolfun | it is in part due to the fact that nobody combined low power cpu with high resolution screen | 12:25 |
| dolfun | the TI engineers were working for phones | 12:25 |
| zulla | There is this <= 400 euro device with a better screen than a > 400 euro video player (e.g. Archos). Such high hopes... | 12:26 |
| dolfun | mplayer on the 770 is awesome | 12:27 |
| dolfun | i have spent a week perfecting divx for it | 12:27 |
| * zulla sold his 770 once the moment the n800 came out... | 12:28 | |
| zulla | too late. | 12:28 |
| dolfun | but n800 has much faster cpu | 12:28 |
| zulla | and more ram and better memory slots and everything. and a video bus that's 3x slower. | 12:29 |
| zulla | ain't it sad? | 12:29 |
| dolfun | yes | 12:29 |
| dolfun | but nokia is not at fault in design process on the lcd bandwidth imo | 12:30 |
| dolfun | they are at fault for not making the device more gaming compatible | 12:30 |
| dolfun | companies that cripple hardware to prevent peopel to play games are assholes | 12:30 |
| dolfun | like ibm in 1981 | 12:30 |
| dolfun | "we don't want people to play games on it" | 12:31 |
| dolfun | well FUCK you | 12:31 |
| dolfun | you are making computing devices. listen to the engineers. listen to what they want to have. | 12:33 |
| dolfun | god damn it. don't make a device for a 'market segment' | 12:33 |
| suihkulokki | as long as one makes *portable* devices, you have to make big compromises | 12:34 |
| dolfun | the D-Pad was a huge mistake, made twice. the lack of buttons on the right side... another huge mistake | 12:35 |
| dolfun | basic ergonomics | 12:35 |
| suihkulokki | you can't have huge screen, tiny formfactor, pc-like perfomance and infinite battery power power | 12:35 |
| dolfun | i understand the limitations, i was involved in hardware design in 1987 | 12:36 |
| dolfun | the 770 / 800 is the best thing in the world | 12:36 |
| suihkulokki | I do agree the buttons suck | 12:36 |
| * shackan does not miss games | 12:36 | |
| zulla | dolfun: gaming is your pet project, I care about video playback, so we both loudly complain about these individual issue. Most other users don't care much about it, I fear. | 12:37 |
| suihkulokki | otoh making it more gaming friendly would make people expect commercial quality games being produced for it | 12:37 |
| dolfun | you're right zulla, we only complain because the possibilies are so good | 12:37 |
| shackan | anyway, since nokia is pushing a lot on mobile gaming (see the recent revival of the N-Gage brand and the snap mobile gaming platform) it's strange they deliberately shut off open gl acceleratopm on the 800 | 12:38 |
| koen | shackan: that's not nokia's call | 12:39 |
| koen | shackan: imagion doesn't want to provide a driver for it | 12:39 |
| koen | but TI is talking to them about that | 12:39 |
| shackan | which is ... dumb | 12:39 |
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| shackan | why don't provide a driver for your hardware? mind you, neither me or nokia care if its a closed source one | 12:40 |
| dolfun | here's the problem, 3d graphics are a huge pandoras box.. the processing required is immense. i know, i worked on the first 3d accelerated game for ibm pc | 12:40 |
| shackan | dolfun, sure, but that's mostly a problem for who designs the games, nokia makes the hardware | 12:41 |
| shackan | (well, almost) | 12:42 |
| dolfun | well i hope to give the 770 some good games soon, but the 2x scaler problems need to be resolved | 12:42 |
| shackan | the 770 has enough juice to do 3d? | 12:43 |
| dolfun | there are a few 3d games but i don't care about them | 12:44 |
| dolfun | i am talking 2x scaling to make the games run at 320x240 or 400x240 | 12:44 |
| keesj | still after porting the xo | 12:44 |
| dolfun | i need to get into scaling internals... the Xsp disables scaling constantly and this was probably a design decision | 12:45 |
| keesj | still after proting xmoto I think I need a real controller (like the wii remote) in order to have real fun | 12:45 |
| suihkulokki | shackan: imagenation is a intellectual property company.. the license the 3d core to be integrated on high-volume chips (like ti omap) on the basis that not everyone needs the 3d part. then they license the driver to those who want to use the 3d part. | 12:45 |
| keesj | last week I saw that old psion I used to own, that stuff was really ahead of time | 12:47 |
| shackan | mm, what about newtons then? | 12:48 |
| * shackan ducks | 12:48 | |
| koen | and I don't think nokia wants binary only kernel modules for 3d | 12:48 |
| keesj | I don't know the newtons sorry , | 12:48 |
| dolfun | keesj: i still have 5mx and netbook | 12:48 |
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| kkito | hello :) | 12:51 |
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| maddler | morning... | 13:16 |
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| florian | hi maddler | 13:19 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 13:24 |
| shackan | hi | 13:25 |
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| maddler | florian: morning... | 13:37 |
| maddler | bedboi: aue`! | 13:37 |
| bedboi | ciao maddler | 13:45 |
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| ptman | bergie: oh, thanks for the info, didn't read your 9:46 comment until now | 14:11 |
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| bergie | hey, this sdict viewer is quite cool! | 14:20 |
| * bergie wishes he had enough space for whole Wikipedia... | 14:20 | |
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| pcfe | under what circumstances would maemo-mapper spit out 'Failed to open or create database: unsupported file format'? | 14:29 |
| pcfe | had to relash my device and it's been doing that ever since | 14:29 |
| pcfe | device is an N800, so sqlite3 really should be there | 14:29 |
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| pcfe | FWIW: 'apt-cache search sqlite' does spit out sqlite3 and libsqlite3-0 (amongst others) | 14:31 |
| pcfe | and the POI database is readable from my desktop machine | 14:31 |
| koen | pcfe: iirc maemo-mapper changed the format between 1.2 and 1.4 | 14:31 |
| pcfe | and removing the POI db makes the error disappear. | 14:31 |
| pcfe | koen: ues, from sqlite2 to sqlite 3 | 14:32 |
| pcfe | but I have (just for kicks) dumped the db on my desktop machine and recreated it with sqlite3 | 14:32 |
| pcfe | no change | 14:32 |
| pcfe | if the db is in the old format the error is actually different, it nags about db encrypted or so | 14:33 |
| pcfe | what I'm looking for is a way to get mapper into a debug mode so that I get a log to read | 14:33 |
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| Jaffa | dolfun: (belatedly, a busy morning) exactly which of the hundreds of bugs in Bugzilla which remain unfixed apply to "Nokia sold a product which works"? RSS feed reader doesn't "work", osso-email doesn't "work", video playback doesn't "work" etc. | 14:37 |
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| pcfe | aaah, got it. cmdline apt-get update, upgrade gave me a new libsqlite3 | 14:42 |
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| ferulo | any garage admin here? | 15:15 |
| ferulo | (or at least, guru) | 15:15 |
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| zulla | Jaffa: you're really grumpy, aren't you? | 15:19 |
| timeless | i'm an admin | 15:21 |
| timeless | what do you need? | 15:21 |
| ferulo | timeless: lgs has some troubles trying to import a svn project onto his project: | 15:22 |
| ferulo | svn import -m "First Import" --username lgs gazpacho-maemo https://garage.maemo.org/svn/gazpacho-maemo | 15:22 |
| ferulo | 403 forbidden | 15:22 |
| ferulo | any clue? | 15:22 |
| timeless | hold | 15:23 |
| zyxulnaga | yay you are porting gazpacho again for the n800 ? | 15:23 |
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| zyxulnaga | I have been using the old one from the n770 into the n800 | 15:23 |
| ferulo | zyxulnaga: yup, for the bora release | 15:24 |
| zyxulnaga | cool | 15:24 |
| ferulo | now they are garage projects | 15:24 |
| zyxulnaga | it has worked but i use it for very simple things | 15:24 |
| zyxulnaga | so we might have in the future a gazpacho for the bora? | 15:24 |
| zyxulnaga | :) | 15:24 |
| ferulo | we have some cool plugins, like a viewer that allow you to preview your UI on the Xephyr or the real device | 15:24 |
| zyxulnaga | cool stuff | 15:25 |
| zyxulnaga | I sort of emulate it right now on the pc with glade | 15:25 |
| zyxulnaga | i wrote some wrapper | 15:25 |
| zyxulnaga | but its very limited | 15:25 |
| zyxulnaga | I cant wait for your release then! | 15:25 |
| timeless | strange | 15:25 |
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| timeless | so, how do i do anything useful? :) | 15:26 |
| timeless | did he try just adding a single file? | 15:27 |
| ferulo | no, to import a directory | 15:28 |
| * timeless sighs | 15:30 | |
| * timeless hates the web ui thing | 15:30 | |
| timeless | a project's code name might be 'foo', but its long name could be 'zoo' | 15:31 |
| timeless | so searching in the list for 'foo' won't find it !! | 15:31 |
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| timeless | hrm, i can add files to other repositories... | 15:33 |
| bergie | I'm redesigning how application catalog updates will show up in Planet Maemo | 15:34 |
| bergie | how do you guys like this version? http://www.nehmer.net/~bergie/planet-maemo-new.png | 15:34 |
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| koen | bergie: a bit gnomey | 15:34 |
| bergie | :-) | 15:34 |
| timeless | oh | 15:34 |
| timeless | i could try ssh :) | 15:34 |
| Knirch | koen: I can't decide if it's a compliment or insult :D | 15:35 |
| timeless | hrm | 15:35 |
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| X-Fade | bergie: Hey! Where have I seen that before ;) | 15:38 |
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| bergie | X-Fade: hehe... I'm trying to get the new planet to production tomorrow | 15:42 |
| bergie | plus bunch of updates to downloads | 15:42 |
| bergie | paging, list of latest updated apps, RSS feed etc | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | I like the bit about Categories:feed:longhexadecimalnumber | 15:43 |
| bergie | I guess I could hide that :-) | 15:44 |
| bergie | in addition to categories in the actual item I always add the feed identifier as an additional category | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Sweet ;) | 15:44 |
| bergie | so we can do per-feed listings if we want | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | What I think that needs to have priority too is online editing of the .install files for applications. As most programs don't have one atm. And that makes it pretty useless. | 15:46 |
| * mgedmin agrees with X-Fade | 15:47 | |
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| bergie | I think that is in our roadmap | 15:52 |
| bergie | not sure in which phase though | 15:52 |
| Guard][an | hello maemo | 15:52 |
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| X-Fade | bergie: I added another comment to the feature request. Let's see if it helps :) | 15:54 |
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| timeless | sorry, i suspect i'd need to look at the server logs or something | 16:00 |
| timeless | and i don't think my accoutn was ever completely setup :( | 16:00 |
| ferulo | ok thanks timeless | 16:01 |
| timeless | sorry | 16:01 |
| timeless | maybe next time i'll be real :) | 16:01 |
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| timeless | oh, out of curiosity | 16:22 |
| timeless | did the maemo-todo project manage to get svn working? | 16:23 |
| timeless | (doesn't look like it) | 16:23 |
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| kkito | bergie, nice look, but bad for low resolution like n800 | 16:39 |
| bergie | kkito: yeah, and a bit heavy for GPRS use, I know | 16:39 |
| bergie | kkito: though, I've been reading Planet GNOME quite a bit with the N800 and that works OK | 16:43 |
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| robster | does anyone know in which repository libsoup is hiding | 17:33 |
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| koen | robster: svn.gnome.org | 17:43 |
| inz | robster, maemo-hackers, kernelconcepts | 18:00 |
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| tola | Hi, I might be applying for a project with Maemo for Google Summer of Code. I was wondering, is there scope for work on porting a mozilla based browser to Maemo (i.e. work on Minimo) - it's a personal itch I'd like to scratch as it could do with a lot of work - but I don't know what work is already being done on it | 18:51 |
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| mgedmin | there is a minimo port | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | it's not fully hildonized, as far as I know | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | tola: check out http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/index.html | 18:52 |
| tola | Yeah, I have an early version installed on my tablet | 18:52 |
| tola | perhaps not that version | 18:53 |
| tola | hmm, yes, that looks a lot better than the version I'm using | 18:54 |
| inz | there's also some mozilla related stuff on stage.maemo.org, but they seem really old | 18:54 |
| inz | Or rather was, they are removed now | 18:54 |
| tola | lol, so I see | 18:54 |
| koen | mozilla and arm aren't really good friends | 18:55 |
| koen | a lot of the ifdef ARM statements are wrong | 18:55 |
| tola | :S | 18:55 |
| Tak | killer | 18:56 |
| tola | Wow, they got Google Docs running... I wonder if that will run on the 770 | 18:56 |
| Tak | that's also true of several of the genesis emulators | 18:56 |
| Tak | #ifdef ARM //something that doesn't even compile anymore... | 18:56 |
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| tola | hmm, if there's lots of work going on for a mozilla port, I'm not sure what else I would work on | 18:57 |
| inz | tola, https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/projects/browser/mozilla/trunk/maemo-browser-mozilla-engine/debian/?rev=3779 | 18:57 |
| koen | #ifdef ARM //wrong assumption about floatingpoint word ordering | 18:57 |
| inz | any never revision than that and they're gone... | 18:57 |
| tola | XULRunner?! Really? | 18:58 |
| kkito | undefine ARM | 18:58 |
| kkito | and build using the c/v++ code | 18:58 |
| kkito | c/c++ | 18:58 |
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| tola | weird, that code doesn't look like a XULRunner app | 19:02 |
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| zulla | wasn't there this guy who used a Debian-ARM-binary on a chroot-environment of the N800? | 19:10 |
| zulla | with local vnc? | 19:10 |
| zulla | didn't he use Firefox, as well? | 19:11 |
| * zulla wonders, since people usually say that vanilla Firefox is way too bloated for the N800. | 19:11 | |
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| tola | Well I was surprised to see mention of XULRunner in that source code repository because I read somewhere that the minmo guys said XULRunner was too bloated. I think XULRunner would be great on Maemo if it will run. | 19:16 |
| tola | (They're porting Firefox over to XULRunner in the next version) | 19:16 |
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| myren | is ff3 going to be a xulrunner app? | 20:18 |
| myren | or just ported to be able to be run as a xulrunner app? | 20:18 |
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| pvanhoof | Robot101, robtaylor: ping | 20:39 |
| robtaylor | pvanhoof: pong | 20:44 |
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| pvanhoof | hey | 20:45 |
| pvanhoof | I'll query you | 20:45 |
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| tigert | heyah | 21:23 |
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| X-Fade | What's new/good? :) | 21:25 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:47 |
| * Tak leis sbaturzio | 21:47 | |
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| Molagi | any news about the os2007 update | 21:57 |
| Molagi | ? | 21:57 |
| zuh | Yes | 22:02 |
| zuh | It didn't come today either | 22:02 |
| zuh | ;) | 22:02 |
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| Molagi | :( | 22:04 |
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| xnix | howdy | 22:12 |
| xnix | does anyone know why my scratchbox doesnt seem to be able to connect to the internet | 22:13 |
| maddler | zuh: :DDDDDD | 22:13 |
| xnix | i cant apt-get anythingt or ping anything from inside the scratchbox environment, but everything is fine outside of it | 22:13 |
| xnix | is this a known issue? | 22:13 |
| maddler | xnix: sorry... my magic ball ran out of batteries... ;) | 22:13 |
| xnix | maddler: heh | 22:13 |
| maddler | no... | 22:13 |
| maddler | are you able to ping using IP? | 22:13 |
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| maddler | I had some problems with /etc/resolv.conf not being updated... | 22:14 |
| xnix | hmmm ill try that in a little bit, but i dont think so | 22:14 |
| xnix | thats a good idea | 22:14 |
| maddler | qgil! | 22:14 |
| xnix | the resolv.conf inside scratchbox | 22:14 |
| xnix | thanks for the tip, ill try it when i turn on my lapto | 22:14 |
| xnix | laptop | 22:14 |
| qgil | hi maddler | 22:14 |
| xnix | also of note, im connected with a wifi card, but i assume it shouldnt matter | 22:14 |
| xnix | alright ill come back if theres still troubles, i think that may do it, dunno why i hadnt thought of it | 22:14 |
| xnix | thx | 22:14 |
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| mgedmin | xnix: also check /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf in addition to /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 22:18 |
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| xnix | mgedmin: checking now, resolv.conf didnt seem to do it, although it was incorrect | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | make sure you check the right resolv.conf | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | iirc there are two: /etc/resolv.conf (which is really /scratchbox/users/$username/targets/$targetname/etc/resolv.conf) | 23:14 |
| xnix | mgedmin: right the /user/xnix/targets/SDK_ARM/etc/resolv.conf | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 23:14 |
| xnix | is what it appeard to be | 23:14 |
| xnix | which do i want | 23:14 |
| xnix | the scratchbox one? | 23:14 |
| xnix | i didnt touch that one | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | and iirc the one in the target is not used, so check the /scratchbox/etc one | 23:14 |
| xnix | oh ok | 23:14 |
| xnix | cool thx | 23:14 |
| xnix | hmm they both seem to be correct right now | 23:15 |
| xnix | i dont get this nsswitch.conf file | 23:15 |
| xnix | what am i looking for | 23:15 |
| xnix | ive never used this file b4 | 23:15 |
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| xnix | both files look the same as my systems files respectively | 23:17 |
| xnix | i dunno what else it could be | 23:17 |
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| mgedmin | is libmdns mentioned in /etc/scratchbox/nsswitch.conf? | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | in the hosts: line? | 23:18 |
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| mgedmin | if so, that's your problem right there | 23:18 |
| xnix | mgedmin: nope | 23:18 |
| xnix | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 | 23:18 |
| xnix | mdns4 | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | mdns | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | that's what I meant | 23:18 |
| xnix | ok take those out | 23:18 |
| xnix | ok sorry | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | change it to | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | hosts: files dns | 23:18 |
| xnix | sweet | 23:18 |
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| xnix | do u have a link with info about this file | 23:18 |
| xnix | ive really never used it before | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | explanation: avahi (zeroconf/bonjour/randevouz) uses multicast dns for finding nearby computers | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | scratchbox doesn't have libmdns, so that doesn't work | 23:19 |
| xnix | ah ok | 23:19 |
| xnix | i guess its an ubuntu thing then | 23:19 |
| xnix | wow | 23:19 |
| xnix | :D thanks mgedmin | 23:19 |
| xnix | seems to be working | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | yes, ubuntu feisty uses avahi (and therefore mdns) by default | 23:19 |
| xnix | right | 23:20 |
| mgedmin | there ought to be a faq somewhere | 23:20 |
| xnix | yeah | 23:20 |
| xnix | the docs on scratchbox arent too gcreat on their site | 23:20 |
| xnix | and the doc on maemo about sb isnt so up to date either | 23:20 |
| xnix | maybe i should update them | 23:20 |
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| Tak | same thing happened to me on debian | 23:20 |
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| xnix | mgedmin: do you know anything about geoclue | 23:22 |
| xnix | specificaly for the 770, not 800 | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | not really | 23:22 |
| xnix | ok just thought id ask | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | is that the bit that tries to guess your location from your IP/wifi accesspoint mac/etc? | 23:22 |
| xnix | thx anyway | 23:23 |
| xnix | well | 23:23 |
| xnix | it can interface with pgs as well | 23:23 |
| xnix | but yes | 23:23 |
| xnix | *gps | 23:23 |
| xnix | i have a bluetooth gps with my nokia 770 and maemo-mapper | 23:23 |
| xnix | its pretty cool stuff, but thanks for getting my internet working in sb | 23:24 |
| xnix | :D at least now i can do stuff | 23:24 |
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| mgedmin | no charge :) | 23:25 |
| florian | re | 23:28 |
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| xnix | mgedmin: hehe | 23:31 |
| xnix | hmm | 23:33 |
| xnix | mgedmin: if i have a 386 and an arm scratchbox | 23:34 |
| xnix | i guess doing the apt-get install packages in the 386 branch isnt going to do much huh | 23:34 |
| xnix | looks like its pointing to the same arm repos | 23:34 |
| myren | you /usr/share will be mostly intact. :) | 23:35 |
| xnix | ? | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | xnix: ? | 23:35 |
| myren | the non binary part would still work from i386 | 23:35 |
| xnix | is there a 386 repo | 23:35 |
| xnix | true | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | apt-get install packages in the 386 branch will install packages in your 386 branch | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | repository.maemo.org has packages for i386 | 23:35 |
| xnix | ah so there are 386 versions | 23:35 |
| xnix | ok cool, i wasnt sure | 23:35 |
| xnix | hmm ok | 23:35 |
| xnix | strange | 23:36 |
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| Guard][an | can the n800 connect to wpa2 wlan ? | 23:45 |
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| Guard][an | ah my bad, wrong key :) | 23:47 |
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| Guard][an | what do i need to stream mp3s from my desktop pc ? i guess i need some server software on the desktop but which | 23:52 |
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| Tak | you also need mp3s :-P | 23:53 |
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| Guard][an | one step at a time :) | 23:54 |
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| maddler | Guard][an: are you running Linux on your desktop? | 23:59 |
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| Guard][an | depends | 23:59 |
| maddler | well... I'm using Ampache... | 23:59 |
| Guard][an | i'm googling on a windows box atm | 23:59 |
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