IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-03-21

rhsanbornIm using the n800 with the thinkoutside stowaway keyboard. But, when I went to use the escape button, I found out that the fn button causes a menu to pop up...00:00
rhsanbornHas anyone encountered this, and do you know of a work around. I was of the assumption that the esc key was pretty important in vi00:01
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lle2rhsanborn: control-c does the same in vi00:02
rhsanbornlle2, ah, cool, good to know. Thx. Still a bit irritating that the 800 is picking up that key press. That key should be completely ignored00:02
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lle2rhsanborn: I never use esc in vi, it's too far out, C-c is much more natural ;)00:05
rhsanbornlle2, probably more habit than anything00:06
dolfun_vi is all about habits00:07
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lle2yeah, could be a left-over from my dark emacs days00:08
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* sp3000 slaps the ~'not allowed' in lieu of a 'media full' when creating a folder on a full mmc00:09
myreni justed asked about alterantives to esc in vi00:09
myrenevidently ^[ is the third option00:09
myrenwhich i like a little more than ^c00:09
rhsanbornIm in no way handy with vi. But its the best word processor on the 800, and prolly the best solution for most people, myself included. I still have to learn it yet though00:09
lle2on a finnish keyboard ^[ is not terribly handy ;)00:09
lle2no, 800:10
sxpertlle2, it'd be C-AltGr-5 here00:10
sxperterh. no C-AltGr-( in fact00:11
sxpertyou have to use shift for the digits00:11
sxpert(totally stupid if you ask me)00:11
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rhsanbornsxpert, depends on which you use more often, numbers or certain symbols00:12
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lle2heh, neat way of replacing one keypress with four00:12
Veggenrhsanbord: I once, to get better in vi (although it was before that my favourite already), took the "learn one new vi feature every day"-approach. It helps (with "learn", I mean "learn to use", not only "learn of")00:12
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Markovhey. is there a way to step through directions with maemo mapper00:13
* dolfun plans 4 hours SDL pixel doubling study, 4 hours Athena Widgets / Tome study and conversion to hildon, and 4 hours debian/maemo study (packaging) for today00:13
Veggen is also a good resource for getting better in vi.00:14
rhsanbornThanks Veggen00:14
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dolfunpointer alignment is important when porting apps00:47
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rhsanbornAnyone know if someone has made an alternative email client for the 800 yet?01:29
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jwbrhsanborn, claws was released recently01:30
jwbit works fairly well01:30
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dolfunxmame needs a mouse-rotation for rotated mode games01:33
rhsanbornIĺl take a look at it, thanks01:33
dolfunsynergy client needs a screen-blanking disabler01:33
rhsanbornI would be so happy if I could do something as easy as delete multiple emails01:34
dolfunrhsanborn: that's a pretty important function01:35
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rhsanbornI might look into compiling pine or mutt. Not sure how theyd turn out though01:35
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s100userI use pine vey often on my 77001:39
s100userthe only problem is that with the keyboard, you only get 4 or 5 lines of text...01:40
s100userand using CTRL+X to send a message is a bit tricky..01:40
dolfunthe scratchbox vi has an incredibly annoying search (/) function which returns away from the found text when you hit esc01:40
dolfunanybody know this issue?01:40
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rhsanborns100user, I have an external keyboard. So difficulties like on screen kb and funny key commands are now null...for me :P01:41
rhsanbornBecause its a terminal program, do you think I could use the 700 pine install on the 800?01:44
dolfunah, copying the /etc/vim files to scratchbox solved it01:44
mrflakeshey all, i am running python2.4 on my n800. and in the interactive shell i am not able to use the direction pad, or arrows on my keyboard to navigate the current line of input or to scroll up or down to access my command history.  all i get are ascii escape sequences01:50
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mrflakesany ideas on what causes this?  i can navigate just fine when on the bash prompt in xterm01:58
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dolfunmrflakes: install 2.502:24
mrflakesi am going to have to.  just trying to delay the inevitable02:25
dolfunwhy is it a problem?02:26
mrflakeswell i modified the 2.4 python install slightly to get django running02:27
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dolfunoh right02:29
mrflakesi'm just being lazy, or stubborn02:29
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dolfunah much better Xsp docs found: "use the source, Luke!"
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dolfun> The memory bandwidth to the N800 LCD framebuffer is 3 times slower that02:38
dolfun> the bandwidth in the N77002:38
maddlerdolfun: yep... read that...02:39
mrflakespssh   that stinks02:39
maddlerand I also finished my cold beer!02:39
maddlerany good source for .pdb/.fb2 ebooks?02:41
maddlerhehehe... nice...02:42
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rhsanbornsince cli programs dont have much for UI issues, can most of them be compiled into the 800 without modification?02:46
dolfunyes if dependencies are available02:47
dolfunof course, not cli programs that do low-level hardware stuff02:48
rhsanborndolfun, fantastic, thanks. There are a bunch of silly things that would be nice...02:48
dolfunlike what02:48
b0unc3why metalayer-crawler trying to index my sd card if in CRAWLPATH /media/mmc1 is not set ?02:48
maddlerrhsanborn: give a look at Mud-Builder02:48
rhsanbornbitchx, cuz I can use zoom keys, mutt, ping, etc02:49
maddlerb0unc3: hmmm... wasn't CRAWLPATH part of my workaround?02:49
b0unc3maddler: maybe...02:50
maddlerline 47 ->    dsmetool -f "$DAEMON -F -c $CRAWLPATH" -U $USER02:50
maddleryes... it is... :D02:50
maddlercheck line 4702:50
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maddlerit should look like this...02:51
maddlerif not add -c $CRAWLPATH02:51
b0unc3dsmetool -f "$DAEMON -F -c $CRAWLPATH" -U $USER02:51
maddlerdo you have any symlink to MMC1?02:52
maddlere.g.: MyDocs/Root -> /media/mmc102:52
maddlersure sure sure? :)02:53
maddlerok... then I don't know...02:53
maddlerit should only crawl paths in CRAWLPATH02:53
b0unc3in ps list the daemon seem to look in the CRAWLPATH dir, but lsof show me that metalayer is to index my mmc02:55
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maddlerBTW I ended up disabling crawlpath... and launch it by hand whenever I add new media files... ;)02:59
maddlerconsidered I rarely add new media files...02:59
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b0unc3but metalayer-crawler it's called by mediaplayer-engine03:02
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maddlermediaplayer won't see any file that wasn't indexed by the crawler...03:10
maddlerLOL! Ebay item #320094691127 -> N800 490E!03:11
b0unc3need to sleep03:15
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dolfuncu b0unc303:17
maddlerb0unc3: bye03:25
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dolfuncan i restart the x server without rebooting?03:37
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dolfuni meant on the 770 when i get black screen with horizontal white line at top04:08
dolfunbut i found a way to exit sdl app safely04:08
dolfunhit home button04:08
dolfunclick on xterm04:08
dolfunctrl+c in xterm04:08
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neostriderhello folks!05:29
neostriderthings are a little slow here ahn05:31
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dolfun4:36 AM central europe05:37
neostriderjust 12:36 in brazil =-P05:37
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neostriderdolfun. just as a update: im updating from mistral to gregale05:41
neostriderI guess its best to only support the lastest version05:41
dolfunthe latest IT 2006 image i found was still mistral05:42
dolfuni don't know05:42
neostriderall the images are in the same page05:42
neostridermaemo restricted downloads05:42
neostriderdo you still have the file laying around?05:42
dolfunis there a gregale image?05:42
neostridergregale is: Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin05:43
Tak2246 in tx05:44
dolfunneostrider: i installed SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F505:44
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neostrideri dont really know that is that version05:45
dolfunthanks for the info05:45
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neostriderI took the "lastest release"05:47
neostriderhoping that is gregale05:47
dolfunif you package an app for gregale, can a mistral user install it?05:48
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neostrideri guess so05:49
neostriderbut hey05:49
neostriderwho runs mistral can freely reflash to gregale05:49
neostrider"but reflashing is for hackers!?"05:49
neostridernot in windows ;-)05:49
neostriderhave you tried reflashing in windows? its a breeze05:50
dolfunah no05:50
neostriderthe problem is: I dont like using windows at all05:50
neostriderso I will stick up with the console reflasher =-D05:50
neostriderthe link I gave you is wrong05:51
neostriderthat is the correct one05:52
dolfunok ry05:53
dolfunstill working on pixel-doubling05:55
TakI thought you got it...05:55
dolfunthere are some sdl issues i haven't worked out05:55
dolfunit doesn't work when i init video to 320x240, only with 800x48005:56
dolfunthanks good to know05:57
Takfceu runs @ 800x48005:57
dolfunthen i think i just change the desination of the putrect05:57
neostriderim going to reflash05:58
neostridercross you fingers!05:59
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neostriderBrazillian Portuguese is gone from gregale!!!06:10
neostrideralso is gone that cool orange theme!06:12
dolfunSO CLOSE06:13
neostriderI guess I reflashed a older image!06:13
dolfunintro scene working pixel doubled, main menu still unsetting doubling06:14
neostriderfloating to bed06:16
neostridergoodbye fellows06:16
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dolfunwell just tried ur-quan masters with music and combat06:54
dolfunand pixel doubling06:54
dolfunthe good news:  it's FAST!   perfectly playable :)))06:54
dolfunthe bad news is summarized here:
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ptmanWhere can I file bugs for I've been unable to log into for nearly two weeks now09:24
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bergieptman: I've been trying to bug Ferenc about it09:45
bergieapparently the connection between that site and Maemo Garage's postgres DB is somehow down09:45
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floriangood morning10:29
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AD-N770good morning10:59
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JaffaMorning, all11:27
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keesjSomebody here once posted a great webpage about stuff like performing "mod without mod and such" does one remember what where that was?11:56
keesjI think I have found it
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dolfun_beermod without mod12:04
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dolfun_beermod is too vague12:04
dolfun_beerwhat people need to realize here12:04
dolfun_beeris that12:04
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dolfunwe are a small community of people who want to see maemo succeed12:05
dolfunwe should not treat this like #debian or something12:05
dolfuneverything that happens to maemo is relatively untested12:05
dolfunand no whining is going to help12:06
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Jaffadolfun: the counterpoint is that Nokia is not a charity.12:15
koenso we paid €400 to get no support?12:16
dolfunyou paid x to get a device that did what it claimed to do12:18
dolfunjust about everything we do here is added functionality12:18
dolfunnokia delivered a product that *worked*12:19
koenit did?12:19
dolfuneverything we do to add to it is our business12:19
koenno it isn't12:19
dolfunnokia didn't sell me a 770 claiming it would support pixel doubling with every sdl app12:20
dolfunthat's *MY* problem12:20
koenflashing an official nokia firmware not added functionailty12:20
dolfunwhat nokia sold me worked.12:20
dolfunflashing official nokia firmware works also, koen12:22
* zulla is just disappointed that the n800 hardware design made 800x480 video impossible due to the bandwidth problem...12:23
dolfunzulla: it seems nokia reliazed this only after choosing the ti omap12:24
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zulladolfun: Yes, I guess Nokia is just as disappointed about it. Wish they could say that in public.12:24
zullaso let's hope for the next hardware revision...12:25
dolfunit is in part due to the fact that nobody combined low power cpu with high resolution screen12:25
dolfunthe TI engineers were working for phones12:25
zullaThere is this <= 400 euro device with a better screen than a > 400 euro video player (e.g. Archos). Such high hopes...12:26
dolfunmplayer on the 770 is awesome12:27
dolfuni have spent a week perfecting divx for it12:27
* zulla sold his 770 once the moment the n800 came out...12:28
zullatoo late.12:28
dolfunbut n800 has much faster cpu12:28
zullaand more ram and better memory slots and everything. and a video bus that's 3x slower.12:29
zullaain't it sad?12:29
dolfunbut nokia is not at fault in design process on the lcd bandwidth imo12:30
dolfunthey are at fault for not making the device more gaming compatible12:30
dolfuncompanies that cripple hardware to prevent peopel to play games are assholes12:30
dolfunlike ibm in 198112:30
dolfun"we don't want people to play games on it"12:31
dolfunwell FUCK you12:31
dolfunyou are making computing devices.  listen to the engineers.  listen to what they want to have.12:33
dolfungod damn it.  don't make a device for a 'market segment'12:33
suihkulokkias long as one makes *portable* devices, you have to make big compromises12:34
dolfunthe D-Pad was a huge mistake, made twice.  the lack of buttons on the right side... another huge mistake12:35
dolfunbasic ergonomics12:35
suihkulokkiyou can't have huge screen, tiny formfactor, pc-like perfomance and infinite battery power power12:35
dolfuni understand the limitations, i was involved in hardware design in 198712:36
dolfunthe 770 / 800 is the best thing in the world12:36
suihkulokkiI do agree the buttons suck12:36
* shackan does not miss games12:36
zulladolfun: gaming is your pet project, I care about video playback, so we both loudly complain about these individual issue. Most other users don't care much about it, I fear.12:37
suihkulokkiotoh making it more gaming friendly would make people expect commercial quality games being produced for it12:37
dolfunyou're right zulla, we only complain because the possibilies are so good12:37
shackananyway, since nokia is pushing a lot on mobile gaming (see the recent revival of the N-Gage brand and the snap mobile gaming platform) it's strange they deliberately shut off open gl acceleratopm on the 80012:38
koenshackan: that's not nokia's call12:39
koenshackan: imagion doesn't want to provide a driver for it12:39
koenbut TI is talking to them about that12:39
shackanwhich is ... dumb12:39
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shackanwhy don't provide a driver for your hardware? mind you, neither me or nokia care if its a closed source one12:40
dolfunhere's the problem, 3d graphics are a huge pandoras box.. the processing required is immense.  i know, i worked on the first 3d accelerated game for ibm pc12:40
shackandolfun, sure, but that's mostly a problem for who designs the games, nokia makes the hardware12:41
shackan(well, almost)12:42
dolfunwell i hope to give the 770 some good games soon, but the 2x scaler problems need to be resolved12:42
shackanthe 770 has enough juice to do 3d?12:43
dolfunthere are a few 3d games but i don't care about them12:44
dolfun i am talking 2x scaling to make the games run at 320x240 or 400x24012:44
keesjstill after porting the xo12:44
dolfuni need to get into scaling internals... the Xsp disables scaling constantly and this was probably a design decision12:45
keesjstill after proting xmoto I think I need a real controller (like the wii remote) in order to have real fun12:45
suihkulokkishackan: imagenation is a intellectual property company.. the license the 3d core to be integrated on high-volume chips (like ti omap) on the basis that not everyone needs the 3d part. then they license the driver to those who want to use the 3d part.12:45
keesjlast week I saw that old psion I used to own, that stuff was really ahead of time12:47
shackanmm, what about newtons then?12:48
* shackan ducks12:48
koenand I don't think nokia wants binary only kernel modules for 3d12:48
keesjI don't know the newtons sorry ,12:48
dolfunkeesj: i still have 5mx and netbook12:48
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kkitohello :)12:51
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florianhi maddler13:19
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bedboihi there.13:24
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maddlerflorian: morning...13:37
maddlerbedboi: aue`!13:37
bedboiciao maddler13:45
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ptmanbergie: oh, thanks for the info, didn't read your 9:46 comment until now14:11
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bergiehey, this sdict viewer is quite cool!14:20
* bergie wishes he had enough space for whole Wikipedia...14:20
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pcfeunder what circumstances would maemo-mapper spit out 'Failed to open or create database: unsupported file format'?14:29
pcfehad to relash my device and it's been doing that ever since14:29
pcfedevice is an N800, so sqlite3 really should be there14:29
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pcfeFWIW: 'apt-cache search sqlite' does spit out sqlite3 and libsqlite3-0 (amongst others)14:31
pcfeand the POI database is readable from my desktop machine14:31
koenpcfe: iirc maemo-mapper changed the format between 1.2 and 1.414:31
pcfeand removing the POI db makes the error disappear.14:31
pcfekoen: ues, from sqlite2 to sqlite 314:32
pcfebut I have (just for kicks) dumped the db on my desktop machine and recreated it with sqlite314:32
pcfeno change14:32
pcfeif the db is in the old format the error is actually different, it nags about db encrypted or so14:33
pcfewhat I'm looking for is a way to get mapper into a debug mode so that I get a log to read14:33
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Jaffadolfun: (belatedly, a busy morning) exactly which of the hundreds of bugs in Bugzilla which remain unfixed apply to "Nokia sold a product which works"? RSS feed reader doesn't "work", osso-email doesn't "work", video playback doesn't "work" etc.14:37
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pcfeaaah, got it. cmdline apt-get update, upgrade gave me a new libsqlite314:42
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feruloany garage admin here?15:15
ferulo(or at least, guru)15:15
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zullaJaffa: you're really grumpy, aren't you?15:19
timelessi'm an admin15:21
timelesswhat do you need?15:21
ferulotimeless: lgs has some troubles trying to import a svn project onto his project:15:22
ferulosvn import -m "First Import" --username lgs gazpacho-maemo
ferulo403 forbidden15:22
feruloany clue?15:22
zyxulnagayay you are porting gazpacho again for the n800 ?15:23
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zyxulnagaI have been using the old one from the n770 into the n80015:23
ferulozyxulnaga: yup, for the bora release15:24
ferulonow they are garage projects15:24
zyxulnagait has worked but i use it for very simple things15:24
zyxulnagaso we might have in the future a gazpacho for the bora?15:24
ferulowe have some cool plugins, like a viewer that allow you to preview your UI on the Xephyr or the real device15:24
zyxulnagacool stuff15:25
zyxulnagaI sort of emulate it right now on the pc with glade15:25
zyxulnagai wrote some wrapper15:25
zyxulnagabut its very limited15:25
zyxulnagaI cant wait for your release then!15:25
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timelessso, how do i do anything useful? :)15:26
timelessdid he try just adding a single file?15:27
ferulono, to import a directory15:28
* timeless sighs15:30
* timeless hates the web ui thing15:30
timelessa project's code name might be 'foo', but its long name could be 'zoo'15:31
timelessso searching in the list for 'foo' won't find it !!15:31
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timelesshrm, i can add files to other repositories...15:33
bergieI'm redesigning how application catalog updates will show up in Planet Maemo15:34
bergiehow do you guys like this version?
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koenbergie: a bit gnomey15:34
timelessi could try ssh :)15:34
Knirchkoen: I can't decide if it's a compliment or insult :D15:35
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X-Fadebergie: Hey! Where have I seen that before ;)15:38
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bergieX-Fade: hehe... I'm trying to get the new planet to production tomorrow15:42
bergieplus bunch of updates to downloads15:42
bergiepaging, list of latest updated apps, RSS feed etc15:42
mgedminI like the bit about Categories:feed:longhexadecimalnumber15:43
bergieI guess I could hide that :-)15:44
bergiein addition to categories in the actual item I always add the feed identifier as an additional category15:44
X-Fadebergie: Sweet ;)15:44
bergieso we can do per-feed listings if we want15:44
X-FadeWhat I think that needs to have priority too is online editing of the .install files for applications. As most programs don't have one atm. And that makes it pretty useless.15:46
* mgedmin agrees with X-Fade15:47
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bergieI think that is in our roadmap15:52
bergienot sure in which phase though15:52
Guard][anhello maemo15:52
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X-Fadebergie: I added another comment to the feature request. Let's see if it helps :)15:54
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timelesssorry, i suspect i'd need to look at the server logs or something16:00
timelessand i don't think my accoutn was ever completely setup :(16:00
ferulook thanks timeless16:01
timelessmaybe next time i'll be real :)16:01
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timelessoh, out of curiosity16:22
timelessdid the maemo-todo project manage to get svn working?16:23
timeless(doesn't look like it)16:23
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kkitobergie, nice look, but bad for low resolution  like n80016:39
bergiekkito: yeah, and a bit heavy for GPRS use, I know16:39
bergiekkito: though, I've been reading Planet GNOME quite a bit with the N800 and that works OK16:43
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robsterdoes anyone know in which repository libsoup is hiding17:33
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koenrobster: svn.gnome.org17:43
inzrobster, maemo-hackers, kernelconcepts18:00
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tolaHi, I might be applying for a project with Maemo for Google Summer of Code. I was wondering, is there scope for work on porting a mozilla based browser to Maemo (i.e. work on Minimo) - it's a personal itch I'd like to scratch as it could do with a lot of work - but I don't know what work is already being done on it18:51
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mgedminthere is a minimo port18:52
mgedminit's not fully hildonized, as far as I know18:52
mgedmintola: check out
tolaYeah, I have an early version installed on my tablet18:52
tolaperhaps not that version18:53
tolahmm, yes, that looks a lot better than the version I'm using18:54
inzthere's also some mozilla related stuff on, but they seem really old18:54
inzOr rather was, they are removed now18:54
tolalol, so I see18:54
koenmozilla and arm aren't really good friends18:55
koena lot of the ifdef ARM statements are wrong18:55
tolaWow, they got Google Docs running... I wonder if that will run on the 77018:56
Takthat's also true of several of the genesis emulators18:56
Tak#ifdef ARM  //something that doesn't even compile anymore...18:56
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tolahmm, if there's lots of work going on for a mozilla port, I'm not sure what else I would work on18:57
koen#ifdef ARM //wrong assumption about floatingpoint word ordering18:57
inzany never revision than that and they're gone...18:57
tolaXULRunner?! Really?18:58
kkitoundefine ARM18:58
kkitoand build using the c/v++ code18:58
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tolaweird, that code doesn't look like a XULRunner app19:02
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zullawasn't there this guy who used a Debian-ARM-binary on a chroot-environment of the N800?19:10
zullawith local vnc?19:10
zulladidn't he use Firefox, as well?19:11
* zulla wonders, since people usually say that vanilla Firefox is way too bloated for the N800.19:11
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tolaWell I was surprised to see mention of XULRunner in that source code repository because I read somewhere that the minmo guys said XULRunner was too bloated. I think XULRunner would be great on Maemo if it will run.19:16
tola(They're porting Firefox over to XULRunner in the next version)19:16
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myrenis ff3 going to be a xulrunner app?20:18
myrenor just ported to be able to be run as a xulrunner app?20:18
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pvanhoofRobot101, robtaylor: ping20:39
robtaylorpvanhoof: pong20:44
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pvanhoofI'll query you20:45
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koenhey tigert21:24
X-FadeWhat's new/good? :)21:25
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* Tak leis sbaturzio 21:47
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Molagiany news about the os2007 update21:57
zuhIt didn't come today either22:02
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xnixdoes anyone know why my scratchbox doesnt seem to be able to connect to the internet22:13
maddlerzuh: :DDDDDD22:13
xnixi cant apt-get anythingt or ping anything from inside the scratchbox environment, but everything is fine outside of it22:13
xnixis this a known issue?22:13
maddlerxnix: sorry... my magic ball ran out of batteries... ;)22:13
xnixmaddler: heh22:13
maddlerare you able to ping using IP?22:13
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maddlerI had some problems with /etc/resolv.conf not being updated...22:14
xnixhmmm ill try that in a little bit, but i dont think so22:14
xnixthats a good idea22:14
xnixthe resolv.conf inside scratchbox22:14
xnixthanks for the tip, ill try it when i turn on my lapto22:14
qgilhi maddler22:14
xnixalso of note, im connected with a wifi card, but i assume it shouldnt matter22:14
xnixalright ill come back if theres still troubles, i think that may do it, dunno why i hadnt thought of it22:14
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mgedminxnix: also check /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf in addition to /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf22:18
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xnixmgedmin: checking now, resolv.conf didnt seem to do it, although it was incorrect23:13
mgedminmake sure you check the right resolv.conf23:13
mgedminiirc there are two: /etc/resolv.conf (which is really /scratchbox/users/$username/targets/$targetname/etc/resolv.conf)23:14
xnixmgedmin: right the /user/xnix/targets/SDK_ARM/etc/resolv.conf23:14
mgedminand /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf23:14
xnixis what it appeard to be23:14
xnixwhich do i want23:14
xnixthe scratchbox one?23:14
xnixi didnt touch that one23:14
mgedminand iirc the one in the target is not used, so check the /scratchbox/etc one23:14
xnixoh ok23:14
xnixcool thx23:14
xnixhmm they both seem to be correct right now23:15
xnixi dont get this nsswitch.conf file23:15
xnixwhat am i looking for23:15
xnixive never used this file b423:15
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xnixboth files look the same as my systems files respectively23:17
xnixi dunno what else it could be23:17
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mgedminis libmdns mentioned in /etc/scratchbox/nsswitch.conf?23:18
mgedminin the hosts: line?23:18
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mgedminif so, that's your problem right there23:18
xnixmgedmin: nope23:18
xnixhosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns423:18
mgedminthat's what I meant23:18
xnixok take those out23:18
xnixok sorry23:18
mgedminchange it to23:18
mgedminhosts: files dns23:18
* xnix crosses fingers23:18
xnixdo u have a link with info about this file23:18
xnixive really never used it before23:18
mgedminexplanation: avahi (zeroconf/bonjour/randevouz) uses multicast dns for finding nearby computers23:18
mgedminscratchbox doesn't have libmdns, so that doesn't work23:19
xnixah ok23:19
xnixi guess its an ubuntu thing then23:19
xnix:D thanks mgedmin23:19
xnixseems to be working23:19
mgedminyes, ubuntu feisty uses avahi (and therefore mdns) by default23:19
mgedminthere ought to be a faq somewhere23:20
xnixthe docs on scratchbox arent too gcreat on their site23:20
xnixand the doc on maemo about sb isnt so up to date either23:20
xnixmaybe i should update them23:20
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Taksame thing happened to me on debian23:20
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xnixmgedmin: do you know anything about geoclue23:22
xnixspecificaly for the 770, not 80023:22
mgedminnot really23:22
xnixok just thought id ask23:22
mgedminis that the bit that tries to guess your location from your IP/wifi accesspoint mac/etc?23:22
xnixthx anyway23:23
xnixit can interface with pgs as well23:23
xnixbut yes23:23
xnixi have a bluetooth gps with my nokia 770 and maemo-mapper23:23
xnixits pretty cool stuff, but thanks for getting my internet working in sb23:24
xnix:D at least now i can do stuff23:24
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mgedminno charge :)23:25
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xnixmgedmin: hehe23:31
xnixmgedmin: if i have a 386 and an arm scratchbox23:34
xnixi guess doing the apt-get install packages in the 386 branch isnt going to do much huh23:34
xnixlooks like its pointing to the same arm repos23:34
myrenyou /usr/share will be mostly intact.  :)23:35
mgedminxnix: ?23:35
myrenthe non binary part would still work from i38623:35
xnixis there a 386 repo23:35
mgedminapt-get install packages in the 386 branch will install packages in your 386 branch23:35 has packages for i38623:35
xnixah so there are 386 versions23:35
xnixok cool, i wasnt sure23:35
xnixhmm ok23:35
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Guard][ancan the n800 connect to wpa2 wlan ?23:45
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Guard][anah my bad, wrong key :)23:47
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Guard][anwhat do i need to stream mp3s from my desktop pc ? i guess i need some server software on the desktop but which23:52
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Takyou also need mp3s :-P23:53
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Guard][anone step at a time :)23:54
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maddlerGuard][an: are you running Linux on your desktop?23:59
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maddlerwell... I'm using Ampache...23:59
Guard][ani'm googling on a windows box atm23:59

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