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| sxpert | gah, no maemo mapper 1.4.* for the 770... this sucks | 00:04 |
| unice | hi | 00:04 |
| Veggen | sxpert: hmm..I thought they should work? | 00:04 |
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| sxpert | Veggen, the app manager didn't find an update package | 00:04 |
| sxpert | stuck at 1.3.5 or su | 00:05 |
| sxpert | so | 00:05 |
| Veggen | try the one from the bora repository? | 00:05 |
| sxpert | unless the repo changed in the meantime | 00:05 |
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| Veggen | sxpert: try the one-click install, from the app catalog? | 00:08 |
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| unice | according to some irclog gnuite (author of maemo mapper?) had some trouble setting up current sdk 3.0 in current scratchbox | 00:10 |
| sxpert | Veggen, that did it :D | 00:11 |
| sxpert | Veggen, thanks | 00:11 |
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| unice | if apt-get inside scratchbox is unable to resolve repository.maemo.org remove any mdns-related stuff on the hosts: line in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 00:13 |
| unice | seems like the scratchbox responder fails for some reasons if mdns is configured | 00:14 |
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| Rheve | hi | 00:32 |
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| dolfun | i'm amazed how many finnish people are active in open source | 00:38 |
| derf | It's cold in Finland. You stay inside a lot. | 00:39 |
| Veggen | dolfun: there is also, I think, a question of role models etc. Many people have heard about Linux Torvalds, etc. | 00:41 |
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| lle2 | I think finns get involved in open source mainly because there are very, very few good software companies here | 00:52 |
| lle2 | so if you want to do something interesting, there's really no other choice | 00:52 |
| Rheve | or work for Nokia :) | 00:53 |
| * lle2 tries not to spit out his opinion about nokia as a sw company | 00:53 | |
| lle2 | it's also easier for finns to get involved in oss projects than to start a business, finnish engineers don't do business | 00:54 |
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| Rheve | I worked with Nokia and they were pretty good | 00:55 |
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| unice | nite | 01:06 |
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| dolfun | good review of Star Control 2 (ur-quan masters) http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-7.html | 01:58 |
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| baa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_tiSpvTm10 | 02:08 |
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| neostrider | anyone knows about mono on 770? | 02:18 |
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| maddler | neostrider: I installed on N800... and trying to learn Mono... | 02:29 |
| maddler | _trying_ | 02:29 |
| neostrider | me too | 02:29 |
| neostrider | just installed it | 02:29 |
| neostrider | now im installing the devkit to sb | 02:29 |
| neostrider | already familiar with C#? | 02:29 |
| maddler | yep... now I should find some time to study it... | 02:29 |
| maddler | not at all... | 02:29 |
| maddler | I'm starting from ground... | 02:30 |
| maddler | :) | 02:30 |
| maddler | the point is that I'm a console-geek! | 02:30 |
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| konfoo | monodevelop is your friend | 02:35 |
| maddler | konfoo: but bash is your prophet! :D | 02:35 |
| konfoo | :P | 02:35 |
| maddler | I only miss a dialog port! :D | 02:36 |
| dragorn | I was very glad to see that osso xterm reports mouse hits via curses | 02:37 |
| dragorn | makes the new kismet ui much nicer :P (well, once I add mouse support, it'll be nicer) | 02:37 |
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| dolfun | dragorn you maintain kismet? it's great with flite | 02:38 |
| baa | dolfun, can i ask where you found those? | 02:41 |
| dragorn | yeah. the new UI is menu/dialog based, too, so that'll be pretty nice once I make it work w/ mouse input | 02:41 |
| neostrider | hello dolfun | 02:41 |
| neostrider | maddler , I work with C# | 02:41 |
| neostrider | M$ enviroment, unfortunatly | 02:42 |
| neostrider | and mostly with console | 02:42 |
| neostrider | but belive me: gtk# is piece of cake | 02:42 |
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| neostrider | even for maemo seems not that hard | 02:42 |
| dolfun | baa: found what? | 02:43 |
| baa | kismet, primarily. | 02:44 |
| baa | provided it's stable. | 02:44 |
| dragorn | the problem w/ kismet on the nokias isn't kismet, it's the drivers ;/ | 02:45 |
| dragorn | at least, in my tests | 02:45 |
| dragorn | the n800 especially | 02:45 |
| baa | ok. | 02:45 |
| dragorn | you need to kluge the new driver code from the garage in | 02:45 |
| dolfun | neostrider: to add libs to the debian package i edit /debian/rules? | 02:45 |
| neostrider | yeah | 02:46 |
| neostrider | actually | 02:46 |
| dolfun | good. that stuff is complicated | 02:46 |
| neostrider | to add libs to the build process, I still dont know | 02:46 |
| neostrider | but to create a chain dependency , it is there | 02:46 |
| neostrider | but maemo wizard does this for you | 02:46 |
| neostrider | you just have to express the dependencies and it places there for you | 02:46 |
| dolfun | ah.. i need to link -lXsp, but that is not a debian package | 02:47 |
| dolfun | i will see if it was missing from original makefile | 02:47 |
| dragorn | i haven't figured out a great way to handle the driver swapping well still | 02:48 |
| dolfun | neostrider: i looked at some other maemo .deb source packages, and they included the path-dependent symlinks (config.sub) as regular files | 02:49 |
| neostrider | Xsp...whats that lib for? | 02:50 |
| dolfun | don't know if that's a 'right way', but it avoids the scratchbox version problem | 02:50 |
| dolfun | pixel doubling | 02:50 |
| neostrider | sorry...what that means? =-P | 02:50 |
| neostrider | oh ok | 02:50 |
| neostrider | please, tell me...so, what should I do? | 02:50 |
| dolfun | i have no clue | 02:50 |
| dolfun | let the users figure this out :) | 02:51 |
| dolfun | you could make a different maemowizard for newer scratchbox :) | 02:51 |
| neostrider | actually, I just got the maemo-bomberman files and modified it | 02:52 |
| neostrider | first, manually | 02:52 |
| neostrider | then , I did the script | 02:52 |
| neostrider | I know as much as you of all that stuff =-P | 02:52 |
| * maddler hits the bed! | 02:54 | |
| dolfun | i can send you the copy with ltmain, config.sub and config.status copied from scratchbox 1.0.7 | 02:54 |
| maddler | supposed to wake up in 4 hrs... | 02:54 |
| dolfun | if you want a seperate version .. hehe meddler, CET? | 02:55 |
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| neostrider | CET? | 02:57 |
| dolfun | central european time | 02:58 |
| neostrider | that would help a lot , dolfun | 02:58 |
| neostrider | where you all live, guys? | 02:58 |
| dolfun | germany here | 02:58 |
| neostrider | Brazil =-) | 02:59 |
| b0unc3 | italy :D | 02:59 |
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| dolfun | neostrider: maemowizard 107 http://ln-s.net/K2U | 03:01 |
| neostrider | thanks! | 03:01 |
| neostrider | maemo : the worldwide effort =-P | 03:02 |
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| dolfun | powered by brazilian coffee | 03:03 |
| kkito | spain | 03:04 |
| kkito | :P | 03:04 |
| maddler | dolfun: .it | 03:06 |
| maddler | *** GONE! | 03:06 |
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| neostrider | dolfun...I hate brazillian cofee hehe | 03:19 |
| dolfun | neostrider: there's also an error in your script | 03:19 |
| dolfun | rm: cannot remove `./deps/template.Po': No such file or directory | 03:19 |
| neostrider | I more like tell me about it =-D | 03:19 |
| dolfun | change that to "./.deps/ | 03:19 |
| neostrider | that was the second time you ran it? right? | 03:19 |
| dolfun | no first | 03:19 |
| dolfun | unless i broke the template | 03:20 |
| kkito | what key is the fullscreen button? F12? | 03:22 |
| dolfun | f6 iirc | 03:22 |
| dolfun | hrm | 03:22 |
| kkito | dolfun, :) thanx | 03:22 |
| neostrider | this is meant to remove a file that remains the first time you run it | 03:23 |
| neostrider | nothing serious | 03:23 |
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| dolfun | KeyPress event, serial 21, synthetic NO, window 0x1600001, root 0x37, subw 0x1600002, time 1831206697, (48,23), root:(128,83), state 0x0, keycode 72 (keysym 0xffc3, F6), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: | 03:24 |
| dolfun | yeah f6 | 03:26 |
| kkito | dolfun, :) and the keycode is useful for me too :) thank you very much | 03:27 |
| dolfun | kkito see command 'xev' | 03:27 |
| kkito | dolfun, yes i know about it, but it is not installed by default on the n800 | 03:28 |
| dolfun | oh this was a 770 | 03:28 |
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| neostrider | yeah | 03:38 |
| neostrider | F6 | 03:38 |
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| dolfun | ah neostrider i see a dependency problem in script | 03:44 |
| neostrider | tell me =-D | 03:44 |
| dolfun | the output file for the make needs to == the directory name | 03:44 |
| neostrider | hey folks...how to compile with the mono devkit? | 03:44 |
| neostrider | dolfun | 03:44 |
| dolfun | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `fire2.o', needed by `fire2'. Stop. | 03:44 |
| neostrider | its just a warning | 03:44 |
| neostrider | belive me | 03:44 |
| neostrider | it worked on the device | 03:45 |
| dolfun | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/minra/DEMOS/fire2 | 03:45 |
| dolfun | input file is fire.c | 03:45 |
| neostrider | its stopping? | 03:46 |
| neostrider | strange | 03:46 |
| neostrider | well | 03:46 |
| neostrider | name something in your source fire2.cpp | 03:46 |
| dolfun | in the original Makefile, the executeable output file is "fire" | 03:47 |
| dolfun | the directory name is fire2 | 03:48 |
| dolfun | so maybe i need to run mass-modify with the name "fire" instead of directory name "fire2" | 03:48 |
| dolfun | it needs to be clear what name i must choose | 03:48 |
| neostrider | what is the name of the package you want to generate? | 03:51 |
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| dolfun | fire | 03:53 |
| dolfun | ok now i have directory = fire | 03:53 |
| dolfun | -o file | 03:53 |
| dolfun | sorry -o fire | 03:53 |
| dolfun | and fire.c | 03:53 |
| dolfun | fire: fire.c // ggc -o fire | 03:54 |
| neostrider | wait | 03:54 |
| neostrider | too confusing | 03:54 |
| neostrider | you have a fire directory | 03:54 |
| neostrider | have a fire.c | 03:54 |
| dolfun | fire! fire! fire! yes | 03:54 |
| dolfun | :) | 03:54 |
| neostrider | and entered fire in mass-modify | 03:54 |
| dolfun | will try that now | 03:54 |
| neostrider | please tell me you are running mass-modify the first time in that directory | 03:54 |
| dolfun | yeah | 03:54 |
| neostrider | good | 03:54 |
| neostrider | that should work | 03:54 |
| neostrider | I hope | 03:55 |
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| dolfun | dude, i have no idea why it worked yesterday and not now | 03:55 |
| dolfun | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `fire.o', needed by `fire'. Stop. | 03:55 |
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| neostrider | it worked yesterday?! | 03:57 |
| neostrider | humm | 03:58 |
| neostrider | try renaming fire.c , fire.cpp | 03:58 |
| neostrider | and hey. tried generating the package without runnning mass-modify? | 03:58 |
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| neostrider | everaldo? | 04:01 |
| everaldo | hey | 04:01 |
| neostrider | (posso falar em portugues?) | 04:01 |
| everaldo | neostrider, sim mas é melhor usar pvt para isso | 04:02 |
| kkito | are you everaldo the author of crystal icon set? | 04:02 |
| dolfun | yes | 04:02 |
| everaldo | kkito, no :) | 04:02 |
| kkito | :P | 04:02 |
| everaldo | kkito, The guy from cristal icon is Everaldo Coelho, and I am Everaldo Canuto, the guy from Mono ;) | 04:03 |
| kkito | jejeej :) | 04:03 |
| kkito | nice | 04:03 |
| neostrider | dolfun? | 04:05 |
| neostrider | any progress? | 04:05 |
| everaldo | neostrider, have you received the pvt message? | 04:05 |
| dolfun | neostrider: it's not my first priority right now | 04:06 |
| neostrider | just two | 04:06 |
| neostrider | "oi" and "manda | 04:06 |
| neostrider | dolfun...ok...but if you do anything else, please, let me know | 04:07 |
| everaldo | neostrider, já mandei mas parece que só funciona para quem é registrado | 04:07 |
| dolfun | thanks for the help | 04:07 |
| neostrider | estranho | 04:07 |
| everaldo | fala por aqui mesmo | 04:07 |
| neostrider | é | 04:07 |
| neostrider | melhor falarmos em inglês | 04:07 |
| everaldo | yes :) | 04:07 |
| neostrider | i've already unpacked the devkit | 04:07 |
| neostrider | the mono-devkit | 04:07 |
| * dolfun can falar l33t | 04:08 | |
| kkito | heh i can understand portuguese :) | 04:08 |
| neostrider | heheh great! | 04:08 |
| everaldo | haha | 04:08 |
| neostrider | ja te falei que minha irmã também me chama de kikito né, kkito? =-P | 04:08 |
| kkito | well i dont understand the last sentence at all :P | 04:09 |
| neostrider | about mono: indeed, the mono-project/maemo must be corrected...the operations it depicts shows everything as a normal user when they must be carried as root | 04:09 |
| kkito | ahh yes | 04:09 |
| everaldo | kkito, his sister call him as kikito too ;) | 04:09 |
| kkito | jeje :P | 04:10 |
| neostrider | everaldo, what is the name of the mono compiler under scratchbox? | 04:10 |
| neostrider | (is there a problem using mistral SDK?) | 04:10 |
| everaldo | mcs | 04:10 |
| neostrider | very strange... | 04:10 |
| neostrider | it doesnt recognize | 04:10 |
| everaldo | neostrider, after install the devkit you must create or user and x86 target | 04:11 |
| neostrider | as if its not there | 04:11 |
| everaldo | (can be armel too, but nor so pratice) | 04:11 |
| neostrider | well... ive been developing for maemo for months | 04:11 |
| neostrider | I have everything set...for C++ development | 04:11 |
| everaldo | normally I install maemo roostrap 3.0 | 04:11 |
| neostrider | bora..right? | 04:11 |
| everaldo | yes | 04:12 |
| neostrider | (queria saber oq raios esses significam heheh) | 04:12 |
| everaldo | let me check if is bora | 04:12 |
| everaldo | yes, bora is 3.0 | 04:12 |
| everaldo | normally I use the maemo tutorial to setup an x86 target | 04:13 |
| neostrider | I will try that | 04:13 |
| everaldo | and when select devkits I also include mono | 04:13 |
| everaldo | debian, doctools and mono | 04:13 |
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| bipolar | has anyone gotten this to work: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#AEN469 | 04:14 |
| neostrider | ahn...Ive installed everythign manually | 04:14 |
| neostrider | my SDK is a quite old installation | 04:14 |
| neostrider | when there was not automated way to do it | 04:14 |
| neostrider | everaldo, I tried sbox-config -ct mono | 04:16 |
| neostrider | but it doesnt list the mono compiler... | 04:16 |
| everaldo | type mcs | 04:16 |
| everaldo | or "mono --version" | 04:16 |
| neostrider | neither worked | 04:17 |
| neostrider | I've already tried | 04:17 |
| bipolar | when I try to follow the instructions at that link, I get this: http://pastebin.ca/402939 | 04:17 |
| everaldo | neostrider, please type "ls /scratchbox/devkits/mono" | 04:17 |
| dolfun | bipolar: in scratchbox, what happens when you type "apt-cache policy debhelper"? | 04:18 |
| dolfun | bipolar: do you see an installed package? | 04:18 |
| neostrider | ChangeLog bin deb_list etc include lib man share target_setup.sh | 04:19 |
| bipolar | neostrider: Installed: 4.2.32+virtual1 | 04:19 |
| everaldo | neostrider, the it is installed | 04:19 |
| everaldo | let me check how use sb-config to setup a devkit to target | 04:19 |
| neostrider | thanks everaldo | 04:19 |
| neostrider | bipolar: ? | 04:19 |
| neostrider | sorry | 04:20 |
| bipolar | neostrider: err... sorry... taht was for dolfun | 04:20 |
| neostrider | I didnt understand | 04:20 |
| neostrider | heheh..ok | 04:20 |
| dolfun | bipolar: well you seem to have a debhelper, i am using Installed: 4.2.32.emdebian6 | 04:20 |
| everaldo | neostrider, I am using 1.0.7 and only sb-menu is available but I have something in my docs | 04:20 |
| bipolar | dolfun: is it not compatible with unstable any more perhaps? | 04:20 |
| dolfun | bipolar: oh i see you are in i386 target | 04:21 |
| dolfun | well i see, it wants debhelper > 5 | 04:21 |
| neostrider | everlando, sb-menu I dont have | 04:21 |
| neostrider | my SDK seems quite old | 04:21 |
| neostrider | my sbox is 0.98 | 04:21 |
| bipolar | dolfun: yeah. I was planning on getting something working on X86 first, before trying to xcompile. | 04:22 |
| dolfun | bipolar: well the dephelper version doesn't depend on scratchbox version, but on mistral / whatever | 04:22 |
| bipolar | dolfun: maybe I should try with etch instead of sid? | 04:22 |
| dolfun | no | 04:22 |
| dolfun | it depends on the version inside your scratchbox environment, not your host system | 04:23 |
| bipolar | dolfun: I meant, maybe I should point my target's apt at etch instead of unstable. my host is Ubuntu :) | 04:23 |
| everaldo | neostrider, I dont have sbox-config, let us create a new target from scratch as I dont know how to setup a devkti only by command line | 04:24 |
| dolfun | ok i dunno about pointing your targets apt to anything besides maemo resositories | 04:24 |
| dolfun | bipolar: how about an older version of ncurses | 04:24 |
| neostrider | ok | 04:24 |
| neostrider | how to do it so? | 04:24 |
| bipolar | dolfun: well, thats where I'm trying to get the source packages to compile from. thats what the howto is guiding me though | 04:24 |
| everaldo | neostrider, go to http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installing-Maemo-rootstrap | 04:25 |
| neostrider | already there | 04:25 |
| everaldo | "Available devkits:" will show mono and must select it too | 04:25 |
| dolfun | bipolar: why are you building ncurses, if i may ask? i see it in maemo repos | 04:25 |
| everaldo | Enter list of devkit names (none): debian doctools mono | 04:25 |
| bipolar | dolfun: just following the howto to make sure it works ;\ | 04:26 |
| bipolar | wait a min.... | 04:26 |
| everaldo | neostrider, found | 04:26 |
| bipolar | it must be talking about building ncurses from the maemo repo, not the debian one. | 04:26 |
| everaldo | neostrider, forget the new target, use "sbox-config --list-devkits " to see if mono is present | 04:26 |
| everaldo | if yes | 04:27 |
| everaldo | type "sbox-config --select-devkit=mono" | 04:27 |
| everaldo | it must work | 04:27 |
| neostrider | mono present! | 04:27 |
| bipolar | dolfun: this is what I'm trying to do: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#instpackages | 04:27 |
| dolfun | bipolar: oh i see 4.2 testing debian devkit | 04:28 |
| everaldo | neostrider, then "sbox-config --select-devkit=mono" will take it working | 04:28 |
| neostrider | that option is not present | 04:28 |
| neostrider | only --select-target | 04:28 |
| bipolar | dolfun: right. but the part on installing debiain packages is really wack | 04:28 |
| everaldo | neostrider, humm... but I see it on scratchbox documentation | 04:28 |
| neostrider | but I think I can try creating a new target using this devkit | 04:28 |
| everaldo | neostrider, yes... you can create a new one with this | 04:29 |
| dolfun | i am building ncurses now | 04:29 |
| dolfun | bipolar: my apt-get source ncurses gave me 5.4, not 5.5... i think that's a problem | 04:29 |
| everaldo | neostrider, I recoment you upgrade your scratchbox, last 1.0.7 is much bether/easy to configure and use | 04:29 |
| neostrider | but the compiler name wasnt recognized yet | 04:29 |
| neostrider | i didnt even knew that was available | 04:30 |
| neostrider | I just focused on my projects =-) | 04:30 |
| bipolar | dolfun: right, becouse at that stage in the howto, it's downloading from maemo, not debian | 04:30 |
| everaldo | neostrider, what is your distribution? | 04:30 |
| neostrider | but when I saw mono running on it, I knew a had to have it | 04:30 |
| neostrider | ubuntu dapper 6.06 lts | 04:30 |
| everaldo | neostrider, the you can easy install it | 04:30 |
| everaldo | theres an apt repository available | 04:31 |
| neostrider | apt? | 04:31 |
| neostrider | and the old sbox installation? | 04:31 |
| everaldo | "deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ ./" | 04:31 |
| everaldo | neostrider, I recomend remove old first | 04:31 |
| dolfun | bipolar: oh i get it now. makes sense. so you're grabbing a bleeding edge package that requires newer debhelper | 04:31 |
| neostrider | I will rename it...in case the new installation doesnt work... | 04:32 |
| neostrider | well | 04:33 |
| neostrider | I guess everything will work better that way | 04:33 |
| neostrider | I will try that later | 04:33 |
| neostrider | but many thanks! | 04:33 |
| everaldo | neostrider, ok... if you have any problem fell free to contact me | 04:34 |
| neostrider | um dia eu aprendo a arte de usar note à beira da piscina =-) | 04:34 |
| neostrider | thanks! | 04:34 |
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| everaldo | neostrider, and if you can write about you experience installing and use devkit, please send me ;) | 04:34 |
| everaldo | neostrider, everaldo@simios.org | 04:34 |
| everaldo | ah.. | 04:35 |
| everaldo | use 3.0 tutorial, it is beter the http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 04:35 |
| neostrider | thanks...i will try that tomorrow | 04:35 |
| neostrider | but it does support development for 770? | 04:36 |
| neostrider | or just n800? | 04:36 |
| neostrider | i will also reflash the device tomorrow | 04:36 |
| neostrider | for gregale | 04:36 |
| everaldo | neostrider, I use only 3.0 | 04:36 |
| neostrider | you have a n800 or a 770? | 04:37 |
| everaldo | and I have only 770 (I cant buy N800 from Brazil :( ) | 04:37 |
| neostrider | é...eu também =-D | 04:37 |
| neostrider | (RJ) | 04:37 |
| everaldo | and I develop using 3.0 but application works fine in 770 | 04:37 |
| neostrider | great! | 04:38 |
| neostrider | I will use it! | 04:38 |
| everaldo | neostrider, in irc at gimpnet I am always available in #mono-maemo | 04:39 |
| everaldo | well... I am always available in all #mono-* ;) | 04:39 |
| neostrider | heheh...I will look for you | 04:40 |
| neostrider | and also | 04:40 |
| neostrider | if there is anything I can do for help | 04:40 |
| neostrider | let me know | 04:40 |
| neostrider | both as a C# and as C++ programmer | 04:40 |
| neostrider | or maybe just with docs | 04:40 |
| everaldo | Oh! Really nice | 04:40 |
| everaldo | http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo#Todo | 04:41 |
| everaldo | in #mono-maemo theres two other guys working to port some application | 04:41 |
| everaldo | and searching and reporting bugs | 04:41 |
| everaldo | (more fast that i can fix ) | 04:41 |
| bipolar | dolfun: right... but the howto said it should work with sid... obvously the packages got updated a lot since that howto was made :\ | 04:42 |
| everaldo | I am also porting TomBoy to device, will be nice have it | 04:42 |
| dolfun | anybody want to test pixel doubling on a 770? :) | 04:42 |
| dolfun | smart people | 04:43 |
| * dolfun reboots | 04:43 | |
| neostrider | everaldo...is there a SDL port to C#,right? | 04:43 |
| everaldo | yes | 04:44 |
| everaldo | but I dont test/try it on maemo | 04:45 |
| neostrider | and for mono? | 04:45 |
| neostrider | have you or anybody else tried? | 04:45 |
| neostrider | well..i guess im better writing about it than trying some impossible port...Im a newbie...for god sake... (im telling this for myself =-P) | 04:47 |
| everaldo | neostrider, I am not, but I listen something from other guys | 04:47 |
| neostrider | well...I must leave now | 04:48 |
| neostrider | but thank you for the help | 04:48 |
| neostrider | I will try to help the project in the same way | 04:49 |
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| everaldo | neostrider, http://cs-sdl.sourceforge.net/index.php/News_2002-2003 | 04:49 |
| everaldo | "All the assemblies have been tested under Mono for Windows and Linux." | 04:50 |
| neostrider | great =-D | 04:50 |
| neostrider | i will try it | 04:50 |
| everaldo | neostrider, good nigth | 04:50 |
| neostrider | good night | 04:50 |
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| bipolar | dolfun: heh... even etch requires a newer debhelper... I'll try sarge (yuck, old!) | 05:02 |
| bipolar | dolfun: yep! thats it. the ncurses from sarge builds... well, it's building anyway | 05:07 |
| BrianRice | Q: how is it that maemo-mapper 1.4.x requires versions of hildon-fm1 (>0.29-1) and hildon-libs0 (>0.12.14) that OS 2006 doesn't have in its main repositories? do i need to switch to some "testing" branch? | 05:08 |
| dolfun | Version: 1.3.5 | 05:10 |
| dolfun | that's the latest i see | 05:10 |
| BrianRice | i select for updates and see 1.4.4 | 05:10 |
| BrianRice | i had to install 1.3.5 by manually dl'ing the .deb | 05:11 |
| dolfun | i just have mistral | 05:11 |
| BrianRice | hm | 05:11 |
| BrianRice | well, do you have map repository url's that you are willing to share? i tried a bunch found on discussion forums but they didn't fully succeed for me. | 05:12 |
| BrianRice | i was hoping to use the new support for open street maps, but that's in 1.4 | 05:12 |
| dolfun | do you need newer maemo for 1.4? gregale? | 05:12 |
| dolfun | no | 05:12 |
| dolfun | maybe the developers haven't submitted required updated dependency pacakges | 05:13 |
| BrianRice | hmm | 05:14 |
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| Markov | why is there no click-to-install for fbreader on the maemo website | 05:40 |
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| * dolfun wonders what happened to TAbiWord / Abiword | 05:48 | |
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| dolfun | cool. ar -vx extracts contents of a .deb file | 06:10 |
| dolfun | cool. cat /proc/omap_clocks |grep arm_ck shows clockspd | 06:24 |
| c0ffee | google summer of bloat | 06:26 |
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| DIrEctQL | hey, where can i find smbfs kernel for N800? | 08:07 |
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| dolfun | either on the internet, or in the future | 08:09 |
| DIrEctQL | i was it on maemo.org | 08:10 |
| DIrEctQL | but the link is dead | 08:10 |
| dolfun | do you know what the filename was? | 08:13 |
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| DIrEctQL | not sure | 08:19 |
| DIrEctQL | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/kernel | 08:19 |
| DIrEctQL | it's kind of strange | 08:19 |
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| dolfun | hm | 08:21 |
| dolfun | "missing install" | 08:21 |
| DIrEctQL | well that's not the problem | 08:21 |
| DIrEctQL | you need the flasher tool to install it | 08:21 |
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| dolfun | you can get that elsewhere | 08:22 |
| DIrEctQL | the problem is that the link to it isn't working | 08:22 |
| DIrEctQL | where? | 08:22 |
| dolfun | sec | 08:22 |
| febb | hi all. | 08:22 |
| febb | anyone in here with an n800 at hand and willing to make some "camera" tests ? | 08:24 |
| DIrEctQL | what kind of tests? | 08:24 |
| febb | a video chat test, first. | 08:25 |
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| DIrEctQL | oh | 08:26 |
| DIrEctQL | don't have google talk installed | 08:26 |
| dolfun | DIrEctQL: flasher: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_use_flasher_rootfs_bora.html | 08:26 |
| dolfun | link to download there | 08:26 |
| DIrEctQL | no, i don't need the flasher | 08:26 |
| febb | I thought it is installed by default on a brand new n800..... | 08:26 |
| DIrEctQL | i need the kernel with smbfs | 08:26 |
| DIrEctQL | febb: you need to register for an account | 08:27 |
| dolfun | <dolfun> "missing install" | 08:27 |
| febb | true. | 08:27 |
| febb | but everyone nowadays has a gmail account...... :) | 08:27 |
| dolfun | the page you linked to DIrEctQL has no kernel on it | 08:27 |
| dolfun | it has no files, which is why there's a "missing install" icon on it | 08:28 |
| febb | well, so, nobody with an N800 and a Googletalk account would be willing to make some video chat tests ? | 08:34 |
| dolfun | number of users active in channel = 3 | 08:34 |
| febb | number of users logged in = 187 ! | 08:35 |
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| febb | oh well.... maybe tomorrow. .. g'nite all. | 08:36 |
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| konfoo | joke of the day: http://www.linuxpersonas.com/ | 08:48 |
| * dolfun is just about ready to drink himself into oblivion | 08:50 | |
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| Raekkeri | hello. i've encountered problems trying to play two songs simultaneously on n770 (using gstreamer). are there some limitations to that? | 08:51 |
| timeless | why would you want to do that? | 08:51 |
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| Raekkeri | part of my project | 08:52 |
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| timeless | konfoo: is that real? | 08:55 |
| konfoo | timeless yeah its microsoft's competitive intelligence site against linux, for marketing droids | 09:01 |
| konfoo | scary isnt it. | 09:01 |
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| dolfun | ever seen the microsoft 'linux' poster with the penguins and the mismatched body parts? | 09:05 |
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| paul__ | hey all, i was wondering if the hardware arrow keys work for anyone when using the python shell | 09:07 |
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| paul__ | all i am getting are escape sequences | 09:09 |
| dolfun | they map to X keycodes | 09:09 |
| dolfun | keycode 9, 54, etc | 09:09 |
| dolfun | oh they work in xterm, nice | 09:09 |
| paul__ | yea, any idea how to get them working within the python shell? | 09:11 |
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| dolfun | no, | 09:12 |
| dolfun | but what are you doing in a shell without a keyboard in the first place | 09:12 |
| paul__ | haha | 09:13 |
| paul__ | i actually am SSHing into the nokia | 09:13 |
| dolfun | you can also run synergy to use desktop keyboard+mouse in nokia | 09:14 |
| paul__ | so technically i am using a keyboard. its just that the arrow keys on my desktop's keyboard and the directional pad on the nokia are producing the same result | 09:15 |
| dolfun | which, btw is on my list of things to fix | 09:15 |
| chibiAcyd | synergy has a tendancy to goof up with my kvm switch | 09:15 |
| dolfun | ah so the python shell has no arrow-key support at all | 09:15 |
| paul__ | yea, sorry. that seems to be the problem | 09:16 |
| paul__ | at least on the version 2.4 that i have installed | 09:17 |
| dolfun | contact the maintainer | 09:19 |
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| paul__ | if i cant find an option to enable it, i will | 09:20 |
| paul__ | are you able to check if your nokia's python shell also has this problem? | 09:20 |
| dolfun | don't have it installed | 09:21 |
| dolfun | how do you invoke it | 09:22 |
| paul__ | within xterm just type python | 09:22 |
| dolfun | not found | 09:22 |
| dolfun | i could install it into scratchbox | 09:23 |
| paul__ | if it was your bash prompt would change to the python interactive interpreter | 09:23 |
| paul__ | nono, it was out of casual curiosity that i asked. no need | 09:23 |
| dolfun | just did, in scratchbox via ssh it works | 09:24 |
| dolfun | python2.5 | 09:24 |
| dolfun | no space on the 770 | 09:24 |
| paul__ | oh so the arrow keys work in 2.5? | 09:24 |
| dolfun | yes, this is in scratchbox armel target / mistral | 09:26 |
| paul__ | thanks i appreciate it | 09:27 |
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| dolfun | you on a 770 paul__ ? | 09:31 |
| paul__ | n800 | 09:31 |
| dolfun | maybe you could satisfy my curiosity about something | 09:31 |
| paul__ | i would upgrade my python to 2.5, but i just got django running with 2.4 | 09:31 |
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| paul__ | yea, what can i do for you | 09:32 |
| dolfun | cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MIPS | 09:32 |
| paul__ | BogoMIPS : 320.37 | 09:33 |
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| dolfun | bleh, the 770 shows me 125.76 | 09:33 |
| dolfun | thanks, that explains why the 800 users don't care about optimizing Ur-Quan Masters | 09:34 |
| paul__ | heh, i had a 770. and returned it months ago because there was no flash video support. The n800 is faster, but not amazingly so | 09:34 |
| dolfun | you can watch youtube vids on the n800? | 09:35 |
| paul__ | barely | 09:35 |
| chibiAcyd | barely | 09:35 |
| chibiAcyd | nothing like they showed in the promos and ads | 09:35 |
| dolfun | i use youtube-dl script and play em with mplayer | 09:36 |
| paul__ | its more the fact that you have the ability to watch them. not so much that watching them is a pleasant experience | 09:36 |
| paul__ | also i remember the n770 playing local video files much better than the n800 does | 09:36 |
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| dolfun | i'm too poor to upgrade, so it's a moot point. | 09:37 |
| kulve | hopefully that will change with the next(?) sw upgrade.. | 09:37 |
| dolfun | if i could only get pixel doubling to work with any of these sdl demos | 09:37 |
| paul__ | yea if you have a 770 i say no need to upgrade | 09:37 |
| chibiAcyd | local video works good for me on the n800 if it's encoded right | 09:37 |
| paul__ | the n800 is without the n770's excellent case, which really hampers the portability for me. Its is a bigger deal than i thought it was going to be | 09:39 |
| chibiAcyd | i usually keep mine screen locked in a pocket of my cargo pants | 09:40 |
| paul__ | chibiAcyd: yea i havent yet tried to encode my vids properly. i'm sure that makes a big difference | 09:40 |
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| chibiAcyd | it makes a big difference, but it's time consuming | 09:41 |
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| dolfun | learning to tweak vids is fun, i spent a week with mencoder and 770-encode.pl | 09:42 |
| paul__ | you use the n800 to convert the codecs or do you do the encoding on a separate computer? | 09:42 |
| chibiAcyd | encode on a pc | 09:42 |
| paul__ | ah | 09:42 |
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| t2 | Hi, I'm currently checking out the gnu portable thread library (Debian version 2.0.7-6) on the nokia n800. The test programs runs in the scratchbox (cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm, qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2) but fails to run on the real device (Illegal instruction). Any idea? | 10:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:55 |
| AD-N770 | good morning / bon dia | 10:56 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all .... | 11:14 |
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| masamio | hello | 11:31 |
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| dolfun | heh 5fps with dgen Genesis emulator | 12:06 |
| * zuh notes that it's funny that not long ago mono was considered bloated for desktops since it is a VM and now everybody is busy porting their favourite emulators to a handheld... ;) | 12:14 | |
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| dolfun | got a 770 zuh? | 12:17 |
| dolfun | i checked out Tak's xmame and fceu diffs and he's didn't have to change the way they use sdl | 12:18 |
| dolfun | which is pissing me off royally cause i'm making the same changes to a variety of sdl apps/demos | 12:19 |
| dolfun | and they all give blackscreen | 12:19 |
| JussiP | Don't use xmame, it has not been updated in ages. | 12:19 |
| dolfun | jussip, any experience with sdl? and Xsp? | 12:20 |
| dolfun | i can put a couple of demos online that should* be working | 12:21 |
| JussiP | Sdl yes, but I have no access to build tools. | 12:22 |
| dolfun | you mean at this moment? or in general | 12:23 |
| JussiP | Both. | 12:24 |
| zuh | dolfun: Nope, I have a N "my LCD-controller bus bandwidth sucks" 800. | 12:24 |
| dolfun | it's starting to drive me a little wobbly. i've got the same include and linking options, the same libs, the same code after SDL_Init() | 12:25 |
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| shres | hey, the pdf viewer used in maemo does it support re-flow for pdfs? | 12:39 |
| dolfun | what is re-flow | 12:40 |
| shres | re-flow for pdfs is mostly dynamic re organization of text so that there is no need for horizontal scrolling without reducing font (fit to page) | 12:42 |
| shres | its important for devices with small screens | 12:43 |
| shres | http://www.adobe.com/ap/epaper/tips/acr5reflow/index.html | 12:43 |
| dolfun | ah so they're taking a format, that used to specify layout like postscript | 12:44 |
| dolfun | and turning it into html | 12:44 |
| dolfun | genius | 12:44 |
| shres | dolfun, maemo uses evince as its pdf viewer? | 12:45 |
| dolfun | dunno | 12:46 |
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| dolfun | pdf is evil | 12:46 |
| shres | heh | 12:47 |
| shres | ok, looks like maemo uses evince. Let me try fixing this. | 12:49 |
| koen | you can install evince if you want | 12:49 |
| koen | the default one uses xpdf iirc | 12:50 |
| shres | koen, ah, interesting. Neither support what i need, so i think i will try fixing it. | 12:50 |
| baa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5237&highlight=evince | 12:52 |
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| stone | Anyone using bluetooth keyboard with the N800? | 14:18 |
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| kkito | /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkbindings.h:76: error: expected unqualified-id before "protected" | 14:36 |
| kkito | /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkbindings.h:76: error: abstract declarator `GtkBindingSignal*' used as declaration | 14:36 |
| kkito | /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkbindings.h:76: error: expected `;' before "protected" | 14:36 |
| kkito | do you know what ami missing? | 14:36 |
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| LinuxApe | email app is very buggy, any upgrade due? | 15:03 |
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| makuchaku | LinuxApe: what all bugs did you find? | 15:25 |
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| unique311 | hmmm, there's alot of nokia device owners in here...wonder how many in here owns a n800? | 15:47 |
| bergie | I guess most do | 15:48 |
| glas55 | still got just a 770 | 15:48 |
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| s-ndh-c | same here, only n770 | 15:50 |
| zyxulnag1 | unique311: i own 24 of them | 15:50 |
| unique311 | wow | 15:50 |
| unique311 | 24 770 | 15:50 |
| unique311 | or 24 various | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | 800's | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | and 7 770's | 15:51 |
| unique311 | share the wealth buddy | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | i am not wealthy | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | heh | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | i just set them up | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | with special software | 15:51 |
| unique311 | ok.. | 15:51 |
| unique311 | you work for nokia | 15:51 |
| unique311 | or a gps company | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | technically no | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | a computer security company | 15:51 |
| unique311 | or the security company | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | yeap | 15:51 |
| unique311 | i knew it | 15:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | how? | 15:51 |
| unique311 | i read about a security company selling them for like 3000+ with a security suite on them.. | 15:52 |
| zyxulnag1 | more like 50 | 15:53 |
| unique311 | hmm | 15:53 |
| unique311 | let me find the article | 15:53 |
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| unique311 | http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12691_22-53766.html | 15:54 |
| unique311 | silica | 15:54 |
| unique311 | thats the name of the company | 15:54 |
| unique311 | zyxulnag1 do you set up metasploit on it? | 15:55 |
| zyxulnag1 | nah | 15:55 |
| unique311 | i tried setting up metasploit on my device but it would work. | 15:55 |
| zyxulnag1 | didnt get the chance yet | 15:55 |
| zyxulnag1 | it should | 15:55 |
| unique311 | what security software are you setting up on the ones you own? | 15:56 |
| Veggen | btw, on the only-fun side: The python-api for this one: http://www.tuxisalive.com/ works on my N800. Including a python/glade-based gui :) (but you need to run hook it up to a different machine) | 15:56 |
| zyxulnag1 | some bluetooth scanner | 15:56 |
| unique311 | ok | 15:56 |
| unique311 | silica is selling their product which is basically a 770 running the software for 3600 dollars.. | 15:57 |
| unique311 | good software i guess | 15:57 |
| zyxulnag1 | cool | 15:57 |
| Veggen | unique: Or good flossy brochures. | 15:58 |
| unique311 | Using a free utility from Maemo.org and a custom-built Ruby package, Maynor found that it was pretty easy to get Metasploit running on the Nokia N800. | 15:58 |
| unique311 | custom ruby? | 15:58 |
| Veggen | (eh, glossy) | 15:58 |
| unique311 | guess thats why mines didn't work | 15:58 |
| unique311 | flossy same | 15:58 |
| unique311 | lol | 15:58 |
| dragorn | no, silica is the name of the device, immunitysec is the company | 15:58 |
| unique311 | but the device is a 770 | 15:58 |
| dragorn | yes. It's a 770 running canvas and a hildonized gui. | 15:59 |
| unique311 | yep | 15:59 |
| unique311 | so where do i find this custom-built ruby package? | 15:59 |
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| kkito | unique311, i build ruby withour problems | 16:12 |
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| unique311 | kkito for n800 | 16:14 |
| unique311 | can i use the deb package for the 770? | 16:14 |
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| unique311 | kkito? | 16:29 |
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| unique311 | everyones tried youtube and know how the playback sucks... | 16:30 |
| unique311 | but i have an orb account i remembered about..and they have a feature where you can watch youtube videos, and the playback is very good.... | 16:31 |
| unique311 | u can also watch videos, listen to music from your hardrive.. | 16:31 |
| unique311 | read documents | 16:32 |
| unique311 | pretty cool stuff.. | 16:32 |
| unique311 | its free, thats the best part... http://www.orb.com/ | 16:33 |
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| dragorn | oh, handy, I didn't know bora had a gps system built in. And it's gpsd. Time to write some kismet support for that I guess. | 16:39 |
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| unique311 | ??? | 16:46 |
| bergie | dragorn: please consider using GeoClue instead of GPSD | 16:47 |
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| zyxulnag1 | there is a builtin gps for the nokia 800? | 16:49 |
| dragorn | bergie: kismet has used gpsd for 5 years | 16:49 |
| bergie | dragorn: geoclue has a gpsd backend, but it has others too | 16:50 |
| dragorn | bergie: I'm very familiar with how much it sucks, however it appears to be built into bora, which was the point of my comment | 16:50 |
| bergie | so you can get (some level of) positioning even without GPS | 16:50 |
| dragorn | zyxulnag1: No, but bora has a BT gps search/bind library | 16:50 |
| dragorn | bergie: if it's the hook into the wireless network list, that will, ironically, not work very well | 16:50 |
| zyxulnag1 | oh nice | 16:51 |
| zyxulnag1 | it does that online? | 16:51 |
| dragorn | bergie: Because kismet takes away the wireless card while it's running | 16:51 |
| dragorn | zyxulnag1: it's in the wiki | 16:51 |
| bergie | dragorn: yeah, Plazes backend wouldn't be so useful for this case... but maybe others would | 16:51 |
| dragorn | bergie: Well, you get my default answer: Kismet-newcore supports server plugins, and I abstracted the gps subsystem out for plugins to use. :) | 16:51 |
| bergie | for example, I might provide my position by centering Maemo Mapper on a location | 16:51 |
| dragorn | bergie: When I get newcore running on the 800, I'll probably do a bora-gpsd plugin for it, and anyone who wants can not only write a geoclue plugin for it, but they could even write a geoclue export plugin for it | 16:52 |
| dragorn | to feed the list of visible networks back into plaze | 16:52 |
| bergie | dragorn: yeah, that'd be interesting too | 16:52 |
| dragorn | "someone" may not be me since I've got a pile of stuff to keep me busy for years | 16:53 |
| dragorn | depends how motivated I am once I get the new client using mouse handling in ncurses | 16:53 |
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| nelson | what feed is kismet in? | 17:00 |
| nelson | bergie: gpsd is part of GeoClue. | 17:01 |
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| dragorn | nelson: I haven't made an official package. A few other ppl have made packages here and there. | 17:01 |
| dragorn | Kismet has some issues still, namely that on the n800 the stock driver crashes | 17:02 |
| dragorn | and that when you exit it thrashes the network monitoring app in weird ways | 17:02 |
| nelson | It's the best monitoring program available to the 770, no? | 17:02 |
| dragorn | and that it needs root, so I want the real package to be suid-root on the binary (already done, but i'm not totally pleased) | 17:02 |
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| dragorn | anything using rfmon on the 770/800 is going to have the same issues | 17:03 |
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| dragorn | which means I'm going to have to package up a driver package and a bunch of helper code to kick the driver over, too, and I'm not sure thats something I want to deal with yet | 17:04 |
| * nelson uses The Force on dragorn to get him to make a package. | 17:04 | |
| dragorn | it would also be a good idea to link into the dbus stuff and shut down the network connection via the standard app instead of ifconfiging it down out from under things | 17:04 |
| zyxulnag1 | dragorn: can you do packet injection in the n800? | 17:04 |
| dragorn | zyxulnag1: no | 17:05 |
| zyxulnag1 | i wonder if its possible to modify the drivers | 17:05 |
| dragorn | zyxulnag1: the "OSS" driver is barely a driver wrapped around a binary blob (sorry, whoever wrote it, if you're in here, but it's true) | 17:05 |
| zyxulnag1 | haha | 17:05 |
| zyxulnag1 | never tried it | 17:05 |
| dragorn | All the actual firmware methods are in the umac which is binary only | 17:05 |
| dragorn | and the umac rejects inject during rfmon | 17:06 |
| zyxulnag1 | right | 17:06 |
| zyxulnag1 | so you cant inject in a different mode? | 17:06 |
| dragorn | which might be solveable with a weeks worth of effort and IDA Pro, but I couldn't release it if I did that anyhow | 17:06 |
| zyxulnag1 | nokia reserves the rights? | 17:06 |
| zyxulnag1 | I thought it was an OMAP board | 17:06 |
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| zyxulnag1 | that had the wifi chipset on it | 17:07 |
| dragorn | the new garage drivers just fix the problem the old ones had where they totally crap the bed if you try to inject | 17:07 |
| zyxulnag1 | along with the arm9 | 17:07 |
| dragorn | where it actually breaks wext interfaces and such. the new ones just fail cleanly. | 17:07 |
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| zyxulnag1 | i see | 17:07 |
| dragorn | I don't know who owns the umac blob, but I've never seen a binary blob that allowed you to distribute modifications in the eula | 17:07 |
| dragorn | rev: other modes - there are no other modes | 17:08 |
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| dragorn | rfmon, managed, adhoc | 17:08 |
| dragorn | master is blocked both at the OSS wrapper layer and in the umac | 17:08 |
| zyxulnag1 | i was thinking of master | 17:08 |
| zyxulnag1 | oh | 17:08 |
| dragorn | you can uncomment the master mode blocks, but it doesn't seem to work, since it's just calling umac setup commands | 17:08 |
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| dragorn | i'm about 5 hours of work away from having injection working on the 770 using usb host mode and a USB rt73 nic | 17:09 |
| dragorn | but that's a poor solution | 17:09 |
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| dragorn | (tho it also makes kismet run a whole lot better since it's not dealing with the funky internal NIC) | 17:09 |
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| nelson | Is it just me, or is downloads.maemo.org completely useless when the package doesn't have the necessary magic to light up the install arrow? | 17:15 |
| Tak | or doesn't have the homepage filled in | 17:15 |
| dragorn | nelson: do you have an n800 or a n770 | 17:16 |
| dragorn | s/an/a/ | 17:16 |
| keesj | nelson: are you able to login? | 17:16 |
| nelson | dragorn: both. | 17:17 |
| nelson | keesj: will that help? | 17:17 |
| dragorn | nelson: http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet_2007.03.R1-pre_armel.deb | 17:17 |
| dragorn | nelson: it will almost certainly crash and burn w/ the stock firmware drivers | 17:17 |
| dragorn | so you'll have to build the garage version | 17:18 |
| keesj | nelson , no , it is a question of pure interest | 17:18 |
| dragorn | nelson: thats for the n800. in theory, it'll work on the n770 too, but i haven't tested it | 17:18 |
| nelson | dragorn: thanks. crash and burn is acceptable. It's not like the 770 is a stable platform. | 17:18 |
| nelson | keesj: hadn't tried it, no. | 17:19 |
| dragorn | well, i mean, I *know* the bora firmware drivers do something weird and die about 3 seconds after you go into rfmon | 17:19 |
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| nelson | Oh, THAT crash and burn. Hrm. I thought I saw it running earlier without crashing. | 17:20 |
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| dragorn | well, on my device, the bora builtin drivers blow up switching modes | 17:20 |
| nelson | I had tried it on the 770. | 17:20 |
| dragorn | the 770 isn't running bora, is it :P | 17:21 |
| nelson | No, it wouldn't be. | 17:21 |
| dragorn | what I want to solve is swapping the driver automatically on the 800, cleanly disabling the network connection, and getting the system back to a sane state when it exits. Then I'll make real packages. | 17:22 |
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| jdub | folks know if carlosg hangs here? | 17:48 |
| X-Fade_ | jdub: Sure. He is here regularly.. | 17:51 |
| jdub | nick? | 17:51 |
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| X-Fade_ | jdub: carlosguerreiro | 17:52 |
| jdub | clever ;) | 17:53 |
| X-Fade_ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=carlos | 17:53 |
| jdub | thanks X-Fade_ | 17:55 |
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| unique311 | so i want to run scratchbox...setup vmware. then run scratchbox from within??? | 18:03 |
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| dragorn | probably the easiest way. install ubuntu, then install sb | 18:05 |
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| unique311 | i have ubuntu installed natively..but am in windows....too lazy to reboot.. | 18:07 |
| unique311 | sad | 18:07 |
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| dragorn | you could probably do raw disk mode in vmware | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | there's a rather simple solution to that quandry: don't ever boot windows ;) | 18:07 |
| dragorn | and use your installed ubuntu | 18:07 |
| unique311 | oh | 18:08 |
| unique311 | i forgot about that.. | 18:08 |
| unique311 | run my native ubuntu in vmware | 18:08 |
| unique311 | thanks dude.. | 18:08 |
| unique311 | which is already set up | 18:09 |
| unique311 | lol | 18:09 |
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| unique311 | that saved me alot | 18:09 |
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| kkito | is it possible to enable usb host support on the n800? | 18:54 |
| zuh | No | 18:54 |
| kkito | with a modified usb driver? | 18:55 |
| kkito | and using a usb hub with external power supply? | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | someone has to write a kernel driver for it first | 18:56 |
| kulve | kkito: works for 770, but not for 800 | 18:57 |
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| X-Fade | Although looking at the chips on the board revealed that it is capable of even providing power to the usb port. | 18:58 |
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| kkito | oh, it is not using an opensource driver then? | 18:59 |
| dragorn | there is no code to drive that chipset in host mode | 18:59 |
| dragorn | open source or otherwise | 18:59 |
| dragorn | (or such is my understanding) | 18:59 |
| kkito | well perhaps in the next IT release we have a surprise :D | 19:00 |
| dragorn | mailing list posts indicate that won't be the case | 19:00 |
| dragorn | but who knows | 19:00 |
| kkito | oh | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | tps65030 USB-OTG Power Manager 5v 100mA | 19:00 |
| kulve | and if there would, is it soldered in a way that could make that possible? | 19:00 |
| dragorn | theres lots of posts on the mailing list about the usb stuff, check the archives | 19:00 |
| dragorn | you'd probably want an external power system anyway to prevent draining the 800s battery so quickly | 19:01 |
| dragorn | either a usb power system, or an external battery power system for the 800 itself | 19:01 |
| dragorn | depending how much you could alleviate the usb power drain of the device w/ a powered hub or something | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | usb host support is on the roadmap, iirc | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | or was it in the wishlist part? | 19:02 |
| dragorn | I think it's been moved to the roadmap w/ no target time | 19:02 |
| dragorn | or the last time I looked, that was the case | 19:02 |
| zuh | It's there http://test.maemo.org/support/roadmap.html | 19:05 |
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| zuh | And apparently it really is a matter of missind (or rather non-working) drivers | 19:06 |
| zuh | judging from the mails | 19:06 |
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| unique311 | n800 not having infrared, does that mean bluetooth is going to replace infrared from now on? | 19:55 |
| sxpert | unique311, infrared is dead and buried | 19:57 |
| unique311 | but bluetooth with the pairing...kinda sucks | 19:58 |
| sxpert | it could do similar things to bluetooth, but bluetooth doesn't need to be face to face | 19:58 |
| unique311 | ttrue | 19:58 |
| sxpert | unique311, the pairing is a security feature | 19:58 |
| sxpert | rather lame though, considering how easy it is to break | 19:59 |
| sxpert | there should be no need for inputting a code. | 19:59 |
| unique311 | i have a bluetooth headset that refuses to work with the almighty n800 | 19:59 |
| unique311 | well it pairs up..and thats it | 20:00 |
| sxpert | I'm not sure the current software load handles headsets (yet ?) | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't | 20:00 |
| sxpert | this would explain :D | 20:00 |
| unique311 | ok | 20:00 |
| unique311 | what follows bluetooth i wonder.... | 20:02 |
| unique311 | a bluetooth killer...?? | 20:02 |
| unique311 | let me google that and see | 20:02 |
| unique311 | guess just advancement in bluetooth itself..---> http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Bluetooth_killer_chip_nears_completion_video | 20:04 |
| unique311 | a dvd movie in 1 minute between 2 devices.. | 20:04 |
| unique311 | guess thats not promoting piracy | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | what kind of storage system can write a dvd's worth of data in 1 minute? | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | (certainly not SD cards) | 20:06 |
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| unique311 | nope | 20:06 |
| unique311 | devices carrying these new bluetooth killer chips can | 20:07 |
| ||cw | what kind of storage can write at 1Gpbs? yet we have gigabit nics | 20:07 |
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| ||cw | and is that a dvd4.5 or a dvd9? | 20:08 |
| unique311 | lol | 20:08 |
| ||cw | 9GB/s is certainly more impressive than 4.5GB/s | 20:08 |
| ||cw | er, /m | 20:09 |
| unique311 | it doesn't say what type of devices.. | 20:09 |
| unique311 | just that the new chip will be able to make it possible.. | 20:09 |
| unique311 | im confuse | 20:09 |
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| unique311 | http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Bluetooth_killer_chip_nears_completion/0,130061791,339274092,00.htm | 20:09 |
| unique311 | heres the article | 20:09 |
| ||cw | hm, 9GB in 1 minute is only 1.2 Gbps | 20:09 |
| ||cw | so not as impressive as it sounds | 20:10 |
| unique311 | the chip does 2Gbps | 20:10 |
| ||cw | ah, overhead | 20:10 |
| sxpert | unique311, 2 questions | 20:11 |
| ||cw | kind of like B wifi does 11Mbps | 20:11 |
| sxpert | 1) what sort of power consumption ? | 20:11 |
| sxpert | 2) how many crappy patents from hell on that thing | 20:11 |
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| ||cw | 60GHz band is pretty impressive as well | 20:12 |
| unique311 | 2008 your questions will be answered... | 20:12 |
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| unique311 | prolly sure by 2008 something else will be out..] | 20:12 |
| sxpert | right | 20:13 |
| unique311 | much faster | 20:13 |
| unique311 | it got to the point where i'm afradi to buy something fearing it will be outdated in a freaking couple of months. | 20:14 |
| unique311 | the N800 i took a chance on...next thing i will invest in is one of those UMPC.. | 20:15 |
| dragorn | You just have to know the difference between "outdated" and "not useful to you" | 20:16 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 20:16 |
| unique311 | good point | 20:16 |
| dragorn | or rather, "not the latest" and "not useful to you" | 20:16 |
| dragorn | which is hard thing for a gadget geek to overcome :P | 20:16 |
| unique311 | another good point... | 20:17 |
| dragorn | i suggest being poor for a while, it'll break you of it real quick :P | 20:17 |
| unique311 | very poor... | 20:17 |
| unique311 | working for a company that makes gadgets is a plus.. | 20:18 |
| unique311 | assembly line | 20:18 |
| unique311 | dream job | 20:18 |
| unique311 | lol | 20:18 |
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| tzz | unique: if you like tech toys, your best bet is to be a reviewer | 20:20 |
| unique311 | guess | 20:21 |
| unique311 | is that what you do tzz? | 20:21 |
| ||cw | assuming you can write | 20:22 |
| unique311 | I can draw...thats about it | 20:22 |
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| tzz | unique: I've done book reviews, not gadgets | 20:23 |
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| tzz | I must have 200+ books from various publishers... | 20:24 |
| unique311 | cool | 20:26 |
| tzz | most of them unwanted, but I was very glad to see the new Perl 6 ORA book for instance | 20:26 |
| unique311 | i have lots of books, but not from the publishers.. | 20:26 |
| tzz | anyhow, the point is, start writing your opinions, make your site/blog/column popular, and you can ask manufacturers for samples. You have to get on the radar first though, and it helps if your opinions are interesting and respected :) | 20:28 |
| suihkulokki | "can write" seems no longer a requirement for high tech reviewer.. :P | 20:28 |
| tzz | I wouldn't do it just for the samples, personally. It's too much work. | 20:28 |
| tzz | but if it's something you love, then sure... | 20:28 |
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| unique311 | I'll just buy the gadgets | 20:29 |
| tzz | suihkulokki: I am assuming that bad writing will not be popular enough to get on the radar. The web is a very Darwinian environment when it comes to claiming visitor eyeballs. | 20:29 |
| dragorn | tzz: unless you have an enormous pile of crappy writing | 20:30 |
| dragorn | tzz: then you'll make a fortune. :P | 20:30 |
| tzz | how do you figure that? Have you been reading Joel Spolsky's columns? | 20:30 |
| tzz | :) | 20:30 |
| dragorn | I was thinking livejournal and myspace :P | 20:31 |
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| tzz | well any time you allow anybody to publish their opinions, you get the bottom 10% who think they are in the top 1%... That's inevitable. | 20:32 |
| tzz | but I doubt anyone's made a fortune from LJ or MySpace, except the founders. | 20:33 |
| [mbm] | well, to some people the internet is a magical thing like television that everyone dreams of being on, when they find some crap like myspace they think they're famous | 20:34 |
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| ncharity | Does anyone know anything about an Abiword release for n800? | 20:48 |
| koen | ncharity: last I heard the abiword dudes were struggling with the broken c++ compiler needed for maemo | 20:50 |
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| ncharity | I read on Etrunkos blog they were almost ready too release, and some guy at itt seems to have it installed | 20:56 |
| timeless | hello world | 20:56 |
| timeless | anyone know of a way to play midi files? | 20:57 |
| ncharity | Anyone got phonelink to work with n800? My .gnokiirc configuration doesnt work. Got a sony ericsson phone. | 21:03 |
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| tzz | timeless: mplayer doesn't work for MIDI? | 21:06 |
| tzz | I haven't tried it, but it's the first thing I'd check | 21:06 |
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| timeless | doesn't seem to | 21:12 |
| sri | hi folks | 21:17 |
| ncharity | Hi | 21:18 |
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| mgedmin | timidity or fluidsynth is needed for midi | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | I don't know if any of those has been ported | 21:21 |
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| mgedmin | and I don't know if n800 has enough cpu power for those | 21:21 |
| glas55 | does mikmod or something play midis | 21:22 |
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| mgedmin | I doubt it | 21:23 |
| glas55 | many mod players in '90s had support for mids.. with sample sets | 21:24 |
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| sbaturzio | aloha! | 21:54 |
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| LinuxApe | any email app updates forthcoming? | 22:25 |
| LinuxApe | it's quite buggy | 22:25 |
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| florian | re | 22:33 |
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| Superbia | I was thinking... someone said the other day that the biggest problem with another windowmanager would be that they don't have pen support... but isn't that just a driver like wacom for tablet pcs? | 22:36 |
| kulve | one problem is that many apps etc assumes you have e.g. right click and mouse-over -things.. | 22:37 |
| kulve | of course those can be emulated, but it's not convenient anymore | 22:37 |
| Superbia | true that point I can understand... | 22:38 |
| Superbia | you would need to rewrite some apps for single-click use only | 22:38 |
| kulve | in some cases for easier use, yes. (imo) | 22:39 |
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| Superbia | was mostly thinking that for me for example... I don't like hildon becouse it steals screenspace from xterm etc... would be nice to have a wm that didn't have any extras like that... but then ofc it's a question of how easy non maemo version of some apps would be to use I guess... | 22:40 |
| [mbm] | Superbia: tablet pcs you can hold the pen just above the screen and move the cursor around without clicking, touch the screen and it clicks; with the 770/n800 you don't have that hover functionality, anywhere you touch it clicks | 22:40 |
| [mbm] | you're also lacking the alternate mouse buttons | 22:41 |
| Superbia | ahh... well I miss the alternative mouse buttons on my macbook pro too (when running linux) and it works :P but I see the point with the hover thingie | 22:41 |
| [mbm] | as for xterm, you can fullscreen it | 22:42 |
| Superbia | my version must be broken then... :S typical... need to find a updated | 22:43 |
| Superbia | is transparency possible too? ;) | 22:43 |
| [mbm] | nope | 22:43 |
| Superbia | is it possible to get cellphone java apps running btw? been looking for it but not seen much about it | 22:44 |
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| shackan | Superbia, NO | 22:53 |
| shackan | or, not until some good chap ports a good chunk of J2ME | 22:54 |
| Superbia | ahh... no emulator yet... :S | 22:54 |
| shackan | emulator of what? | 22:54 |
| Superbia | running java cell phone apps... iirc nokia sends one with the sdk for j2me programming | 22:55 |
| shackan | but having an emulator has nothing to do with having j2me support ON the device | 22:56 |
| Superbia | just mean that if they just released a emu it wouldn't need all the hard work of porting j2me... | 22:57 |
| Superbia | btw there is some java mobile things ported... but not really sure what it's good for | 22:57 |
| dragorn | so you want to take a low-power embedded device | 23:00 |
| dragorn | and emulate a virtual machine emulating java? | 23:00 |
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| Superbia | just just want to be able to run my j2me apps... how I do it doesn't really bother me as long as it doesn't lag more then my cell phone ;) | 23:01 |
| dragorn | yeah you're missing the point of my statement there. | 23:02 |
| Superbia | I guess so... I don't see how a cell phone can do something that the nokia tablet can't except make calls for logic reasons | 23:04 |
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| Tak | symbian vs linux? | 23:06 |
| glas55 | is java ported? | 23:06 |
| glas55 | there's some j2me emus that are java.. | 23:06 |
| Superbia | there are java ported.. but can't get any of the packages to run j2me apps... | 23:07 |
| Superbia | tak; huh? :) | 23:07 |
| glas55 | Superbia: they will not run directly | 23:07 |
| shackan | Tak, 1 - 0, obviously :P | 23:07 |
| glas55 | but some j2me "emulator" written in java could run on the ported java possibly | 23:08 |
| Tak | heh | 23:08 |
| Superbia | glas55; ahh okay, now I'm starting to follow... hmm | 23:08 |
| glas55 | they're not real emus, more like implementations of the j2me system classes and such that they run... at least the applet one i tried 3 years ago | 23:08 |
| glas55 | dunno what has happened on that front after that | 23:09 |
| glas55 | many of the windows j2me emus run on java.. but have exe starters and shit | 23:09 |
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| maddler | hi all! | 23:12 |
| Superbia | hmm yeah... oh well... if I can't get it working no real loss... just would be fun... have some quite useful apps on the phone but feels stupid pulling the phone out to name currency converting when I have the n800 in my hand... | 23:12 |
| Superbia | Hi maddler :) | 23:12 |
| Superbia | make* | 23:12 |
| Tak | http://xe.com/ucc for the n800 ;-) | 23:13 |
| Superbia | have a java app that downloads rates for some main bank of EU and so when run... very slick and never lag but I guess can use a website when having net access | 23:14 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 23:29 |
| sp3000 | google has currency conversion so "234 eur in aud" into the search applet and you're done ;) | 23:30 |
| sp3000 | but yeah, needs live connection obviously so not always useful | 23:30 |
| Superbia | haha wouldn't call that smooth solution but I guess it works :D | 23:30 |
| Superbia | started looking at maemomapper now... getting a bluetooth gps unit this week... seems good but doesn't see to get it it show streets... maybe need a gps unit for that... | 23:31 |
| sp3000 | smooth for ad hoc, not so much if you need it at all often :) | 23:31 |
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| roope | It should show streets also without a gps unit. | 23:32 |
| roope | GPS only provides some extra functionalities to it. | 23:33 |
| Superbia | hmm okay... strange... and I need to check if I an download like nordic countries becouse this update on the fly is a little slow with gprs I guess | 23:33 |
| roope | Just zoom in enough, you should see them. | 23:34 |
| Superbia | it just gets very very messy then... using VE hybrid atleast... maybe not that will mapped over sweden and so? | 23:35 |
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| Superbia | well* | 23:36 |
| roope | Yeah, the hybrid is probably very messy. | 23:36 |
| derf | The Google street maps one works great. | 23:37 |
| derf | I've been hiking round Tokyo with it this week. | 23:37 |
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| Superbia | trying street maps now... but not sure if I want to use google... I would like to plot courses you need VE maps for that don't you? | 23:37 |
| Superbia | cool, would love to go to japan some day :) | 23:38 |
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| roope | Googlemaps works with plotting courses. | 23:39 |
| Superbia | ohh, read somewhere that google maps were just jpegs and you needed vector to plot courses :) | 23:40 |
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| roope | Well. What the maps.google.com displays outwards is jpeg:s, yes. But what maemomapper downloads is the vector version of the maps. | 23:42 |
| Superbia | ohh sweet :D | 23:42 |
| Superbia | any clue on how I download all EU maps in one sweep? starting to get tired by all clicking ^^ | 23:43 |
| roope | It has the command for Manage maps... or something like that. | 23:43 |
| roope | With the command you can download an area of maps all in one go. | 23:43 |
| roope | I wouldn't recommend the whole EU though, it will be gigabytes. :) | 23:44 |
| Superbia | ohh hehe well whole nordic countries atleast :D | 23:44 |
| roope | You basically zoom the screen to display the area that you want to download, then select which of hte zoom steps you want to download and press go. | 23:44 |
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| roope | Under Maps - Manage Maps in the application menu. | 23:45 |
| Superbia | checking it now, thanks | 23:45 |
| Superbia | 1504 maps ~9.04mb it says | 23:45 |
| roope | From the Zoom tab select like 2, 4 and 6. or 0 if you want the most detailed also. | 23:46 |
| roope | By default it's only downloading the zoom step 3 maps. Then the size is much smaller. :) | 23:46 |
| roope | 0 is a killer. 0 just of Helsinki is over 20 megs. :) | 23:46 |
| sxpert | there's something wierd in the openstreetmap support. it appears there's only 1/2 the zoom levels or something ? | 23:46 |
| roope | The application offers a between zoom step, between the real data. | 23:47 |
| Superbia | hehe well my 2gb card is quite empty so ;) | 23:47 |
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| roope | Actually i'm only 90% sure now about the bitmap / vector thing I was talking. ANyway, route planning works still. | 23:48 |
| chibiAcyd | i should buy a 4gb card just for mapper | 23:48 |
| Superbia | thats the most important :) | 23:48 |
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