IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-03-20

dolfunwhat package is this timeless00:00
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sxpertgah, no maemo mapper 1.4.* for the 770... this sucks00:04
Veggensxpert: hmm..I thought they should work?00:04
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sxpertVeggen, the app manager didn't find an update package00:04
sxpertstuck at 1.3.5 or su00:05
Veggentry the one from the bora repository?00:05
sxpertunless the repo changed in the meantime00:05
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Veggensxpert: try the one-click install, from the app catalog?00:08
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uniceaccording to some irclog gnuite (author of maemo mapper?) had some trouble setting up current sdk 3.0 in current scratchbox00:10
sxpertVeggen, that did it :D00:11
sxpertVeggen, thanks00:11
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uniceif apt-get inside scratchbox is unable to resolve remove any mdns-related stuff on the hosts: line in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf00:13
uniceseems like the scratchbox responder fails for some reasons if mdns is configured00:14
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dolfuni'm amazed how many finnish people are active in open source00:38
derfIt's cold in Finland. You stay inside a lot.00:39
Veggendolfun: there is also, I think, a question of role models etc. Many people have heard about Linux Torvalds, etc.00:41
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lle2I think finns get involved in open source mainly because there are very, very few good software companies here00:52
lle2so if you want to do something interesting, there's really no other choice00:52
Rheveor work for Nokia :)00:53
* lle2 tries not to spit out his opinion about nokia as a sw company00:53
lle2it's also easier for finns to get involved in oss projects than to start a business, finnish engineers don't do business00:54
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RheveI worked with Nokia and they were pretty good00:55
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dolfungood review of Star Control 2 (ur-quan masters)
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neostrideranyone knows about mono on 770?02:18
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maddlerneostrider: I installed on N800... and trying to learn Mono...02:29
neostriderme too02:29
neostriderjust installed it02:29
neostridernow im installing the devkit to sb02:29
neostrideralready familiar with C#?02:29
maddleryep... now I should find some time to study it...02:29
maddlernot at all...02:29
maddlerI'm starting from ground...02:30
maddlerthe point is that I'm a console-geek!02:30
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konfoomonodevelop is your friend02:35
maddlerkonfoo: but bash is your prophet! :D02:35
maddlerI only miss a dialog port! :D02:36
dragornI was very glad to see that osso xterm reports mouse hits via curses02:37
dragornmakes the new kismet ui much nicer :P  (well, once I add mouse support, it'll be nicer)02:37
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dolfundragorn you maintain kismet?  it's great with flite02:38
baadolfun, can i ask where you found those?02:41
dragornyeah.  the new UI is menu/dialog based, too, so that'll be pretty nice once I make it work w/ mouse input02:41
neostriderhello dolfun02:41
neostridermaddler , I work with C#02:41
neostriderM$ enviroment, unfortunatly02:42
neostriderand mostly with console02:42
neostriderbut belive me: gtk# is piece of cake02:42
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neostridereven for maemo seems not that hard02:42
dolfunbaa: found what?02:43
baakismet, primarily.02:44
baaprovided it's stable.02:44
dragornthe problem w/ kismet on the nokias isn't kismet, it's the drivers ;/02:45
dragornat least, in my tests02:45
dragornthe n800 especially02:45
dragornyou need to kluge the new driver code from the garage in02:45
dolfunneostrider: to add libs to the debian package i edit /debian/rules?02:45
dolfungood.  that stuff is complicated02:46
neostriderto add libs to the build process, I still dont know02:46
neostriderbut to create a chain dependency , it is there02:46
neostriderbut maemo wizard does this for you02:46
neostrideryou just have to express the dependencies and it places there for you02:46
dolfunah.. i need to link -lXsp, but that is not a debian package02:47
dolfuni will see if it was missing from original makefile02:47
dragorni haven't figured out a great way to handle the driver swapping well still02:48
dolfunneostrider: i looked at some other maemo .deb source packages, and they included the path-dependent symlinks (config.sub) as regular files02:49
neostriderXsp...whats that lib for?02:50
dolfundon't know if that's a 'right way', but it avoids the scratchbox version problem02:50
dolfunpixel doubling02:50
neostridersorry...what that means? =-P02:50
neostrideroh ok02:50
neostriderplease, tell, what should I do?02:50
dolfuni have no clue02:50
dolfunlet the users figure this out :)02:51
dolfunyou could make a different maemowizard for newer scratchbox :)02:51
neostrideractually, I just got the maemo-bomberman files and modified it02:52
neostriderfirst, manually02:52
neostriderthen , I did the script02:52
neostriderI know as much as you of all that stuff =-P02:52
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dolfuni can send you the copy with ltmain, config.sub and config.status copied from scratchbox 1.0.702:54
maddlersupposed to wake up in 4 hrs...02:54
dolfunif you want a seperate version ..  hehe meddler, CET?02:55
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dolfuncentral european time02:58
neostriderthat would help a lot , dolfun02:58
neostriderwhere you all live, guys?02:58
dolfungermany here02:58
neostriderBrazil =-)02:59
b0unc3italy :D02:59
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dolfunneostrider: maemowizard 107
neostridermaemo : the worldwide  effort =-P03:02
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dolfunpowered by brazilian coffee03:03
maddlerdolfun: .it03:06
maddler*** GONE!03:06
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neostriderdolfun...I hate brazillian cofee hehe03:19
dolfunneostrider: there's also an error in your script03:19
dolfunrm: cannot remove `./deps/template.Po': No such file or directory03:19
neostriderI more like tell me about it =-D03:19
dolfunchange that to "./.deps/03:19
neostriderthat was the second time you ran it? right?03:19
dolfunno first03:19
dolfununless i broke the template03:20
kkitowhat key is the fullscreen button? F12?03:22
dolfunf6 iirc03:22
kkitodolfun, :) thanx03:22
neostriderthis is meant to remove a file that remains the first time you run it03:23
neostridernothing serious03:23
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dolfunKeyPress event, serial 21, synthetic NO, window 0x1600001, root 0x37, subw 0x1600002, time 1831206697, (48,23), root:(128,83), state 0x0, keycode 72 (keysym 0xffc3, F6), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes:03:24
dolfunyeah f603:26
kkitodolfun, :) and the keycode is useful for me too :) thank you very much03:27
dolfunkkito see command 'xev'03:27
kkitodolfun, yes i know about it, but it is not installed by default on the n80003:28
dolfunoh this was a 77003:28
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dolfunah neostrider i see a dependency problem in script03:44
neostridertell me =-D03:44
dolfunthe output file for the make needs to == the directory name03:44
neostriderhey to compile with the mono devkit?03:44
dolfunmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `fire2.o', needed by `fire2'.  Stop.03:44
neostriderits just a warning03:44
neostriderbelive me03:44
neostriderit worked on the device03:45
dolfunmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/minra/DEMOS/fire203:45
dolfuninput file is fire.c03:45
neostriderits stopping?03:46
neostridername something in your source fire2.cpp03:46
dolfunin the original Makefile, the executeable output file is "fire"03:47
dolfunthe directory name is fire203:48
dolfunso maybe i need to run mass-modify with the name "fire" instead of directory name "fire2"03:48
dolfunit needs to be clear what name i must choose03:48
neostriderwhat is the name of the package you want to generate?03:51
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dolfunok now i have directory = fire03:53
dolfun-o file03:53
dolfunsorry -o fire03:53
dolfunand fire.c03:53
dolfunfire: fire.c  // ggc -o fire03:54
neostridertoo confusing03:54
neostrideryou have a fire directory03:54
neostriderhave a fire.c03:54
dolfunfire! fire! fire!  yes03:54
neostriderand entered fire in mass-modify03:54
dolfunwill try that now03:54
neostriderplease tell me you are running mass-modify the first time in that directory03:54
neostriderthat should work03:54
neostriderI hope03:55
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dolfundude, i have no idea why it worked yesterday and not now03:55
dolfunmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `fire.o', needed by `fire'.  Stop.03:55
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neostriderit worked yesterday?!03:57
neostridertry renaming fire.c , fire.cpp03:58
neostriderand hey. tried generating the package without runnning mass-modify?03:58
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neostrider(posso falar em portugues?)04:01
everaldoneostrider, sim mas é melhor usar pvt para isso04:02
kkitoare you everaldo the author of crystal icon set?04:02
everaldokkito,  no :)04:02
everaldokkito, The guy from cristal icon is Everaldo Coelho, and I am Everaldo Canuto, the guy from Mono ;)04:03
kkitojejeej :)04:03
neostriderany progress?04:05
everaldoneostrider, have you received the pvt message?04:05
dolfunneostrider: it's not my first priority right now04:06
neostriderjust two04:06
neostrider"oi" and "manda04:06
neostriderdolfun...ok...but if you do anything else, please, let me know04:07
everaldoneostrider, já mandei mas parece que só funciona para quem é registrado04:07
dolfunthanks for the help04:07
everaldofala por aqui mesmo04:07
neostridermelhor falarmos em inglês04:07
everaldoyes :)04:07
neostrideri've already unpacked the devkit04:07
neostriderthe mono-devkit04:07
* dolfun can falar l33t04:08
kkitoheh i can understand portuguese :)04:08
neostriderheheh great!04:08
neostriderja te falei que minha irmã também me chama de kikito né, kkito? =-P04:08
kkitowell i dont understand the last sentence at all :P04:09
neostriderabout mono: indeed, the mono-project/maemo must be corrected...the operations it depicts shows everything as a normal user when they must be carried as root04:09
kkitoahh yes04:09
everaldokkito, his sister call him as kikito too ;)04:09
kkitojeje :P04:10
neostridereveraldo, what is the name of the mono compiler under scratchbox?04:10
neostrider(is there a problem using mistral SDK?)04:10
neostridervery strange...04:10
neostriderit doesnt recognize04:10
everaldoneostrider, after install the devkit you must create or user and x86 target04:11
neostrideras if its not there04:11
everaldo(can be armel too, but nor so pratice)04:11
neostriderwell... ive been developing for maemo for months04:11
neostriderI have everything set...for C++ development04:11
everaldonormally I install maemo roostrap 3.004:11
neostrider(queria saber oq raios esses significam heheh)04:12
everaldolet me check if is bora04:12
everaldoyes, bora is 3.004:12
everaldonormally I use the maemo tutorial to setup an x86 target04:13
neostriderI will try that04:13
everaldoand when select devkits I also include mono04:13
everaldodebian, doctools and mono04:13
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bipolarhas anyone gotten this to work:
neostriderahn...Ive installed everythign manually04:14
neostridermy SDK is a quite old installation04:14
neostriderwhen there was not automated way to do it04:14
neostridereveraldo, I tried sbox-config -ct mono04:16
neostriderbut it doesnt list the mono compiler...04:16
everaldotype mcs04:16
everaldoor "mono --version"04:16
neostriderneither worked04:17
neostriderI've already tried04:17
bipolarwhen I try to follow the instructions at that link, I get this:
everaldoneostrider, please type "ls /scratchbox/devkits/mono"04:17
dolfunbipolar: in scratchbox, what happens when you type "apt-cache policy debhelper"?04:18
dolfunbipolar: do you see an installed package?04:18
neostriderChangeLog  bin  deb_list  etc  include  lib  man  share  target_setup.sh04:19
bipolarneostrider: Installed: 4.2.32+virtual104:19
everaldoneostrider,  the it is installed04:19
everaldolet me check how use sb-config to setup a devkit to target04:19
neostriderthanks everaldo04:19
neostriderbipolar: ?04:19
bipolarneostrider: err... sorry... taht was for dolfun04:20
neostriderI didnt understand04:20
dolfunbipolar: well you seem to have a debhelper, i am using Installed: 4.2.32.emdebian604:20
everaldoneostrider, I am using 1.0.7 and only sb-menu is available but I have something in my docs04:20
bipolardolfun: is it not compatible with unstable any more perhaps?04:20
dolfunbipolar: oh i see you are in i386 target04:21
dolfunwell i see, it wants debhelper > 504:21
neostridereverlando, sb-menu I dont have04:21
neostridermy SDK seems quite old04:21
neostridermy sbox is 0.9804:21
bipolardolfun: yeah. I was planning on getting something working on X86 first, before trying to xcompile.04:22
dolfunbipolar: well the dephelper version doesn't depend on scratchbox version, but on mistral / whatever04:22
bipolardolfun: maybe I should try with etch instead of sid?04:22
dolfunit depends on the version inside your scratchbox environment, not your host system04:23
bipolardolfun: I meant, maybe I should point my target's apt at etch instead of unstable. my host is Ubuntu :)04:23
everaldoneostrider, I dont have sbox-config, let us create a new target from scratch as I dont know how to setup a devkti only by command line04:24
dolfunok i dunno about pointing your targets apt to anything besides maemo resositories04:24
dolfunbipolar: how about an older version of ncurses04:24
neostriderhow to do it so?04:24
bipolardolfun: well, thats where I'm trying to get the source packages to compile from. thats what the howto is guiding me though04:24
everaldoneostrider, go to
neostrideralready there04:25
everaldo"Available devkits:" will show mono and must select it too04:25
dolfunbipolar: why are you building ncurses, if i may ask?  i see it in maemo repos04:25
everaldoEnter list of devkit names (none): debian doctools mono04:25
bipolardolfun: just following the howto to make sure it works ;\04:26
bipolarwait a min....04:26
everaldoneostrider, found04:26
bipolarit must be talking about building ncurses from the maemo repo, not the debian one.04:26
everaldoneostrider, forget the new target, use "sbox-config --list-devkits " to see if mono is present04:26
everaldoif yes04:27
everaldotype "sbox-config --select-devkit=mono"04:27
everaldoit must work04:27
neostridermono present!04:27
bipolardolfun: this is what I'm trying to do:
dolfunbipolar: oh i see 4.2 testing debian devkit04:28
everaldoneostrider, then "sbox-config --select-devkit=mono" will take it working04:28
neostriderthat option is not present04:28
neostrideronly --select-target04:28
bipolardolfun: right. but the part on installing debiain packages is really wack04:28
everaldoneostrider, humm... but I see it on scratchbox documentation04:28
neostriderbut I think I can try creating a new target using this devkit04:28
everaldoneostrider, yes... you can create a new one with this04:29
dolfuni am building ncurses now04:29
dolfunbipolar: my apt-get source ncurses gave me 5.4, not 5.5... i think that's a problem04:29
everaldoneostrider, I recoment you upgrade your scratchbox, last 1.0.7 is much bether/easy to configure and use04:29
neostriderbut the compiler name wasnt recognized yet04:29
neostrideri didnt even knew that was available04:30
neostriderI just focused on my projects =-)04:30
bipolardolfun: right, becouse at that stage in the howto, it's downloading from maemo, not debian04:30
everaldoneostrider, what is your distribution?04:30
neostriderbut when I saw mono running on it, I knew a had to have it04:30
neostriderubuntu dapper 6.06 lts04:30
everaldoneostrider, the you can easy install it04:30
everaldotheres an apt repository available04:31
neostriderand the old sbox installation?04:31
everaldo"deb ./"04:31
everaldoneostrider, I recomend remove old first04:31
dolfunbipolar: oh i get it now.  makes sense.  so you're grabbing a bleeding edge package that requires newer debhelper04:31
neostriderI will rename case the new installation doesnt work...04:32
neostriderI guess everything will work better that way04:33
neostriderI will try that later04:33
neostriderbut many thanks!04:33
everaldoneostrider, ok... if you have any problem fell free to contact me04:34
neostriderum dia eu aprendo a arte de usar note à beira da piscina =-)04:34
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everaldoneostrider, and if you can write about you experience installing and use devkit, please send me ;)04:34
everaldoneostrider, everaldo@simios.org04:34
everaldouse 3.0 tutorial, it is beter the
neostriderthanks...i will try that tomorrow04:35
neostriderbut it does support development for 770?04:36
neostrideror just n800?04:36
neostrideri will also reflash the device tomorrow04:36
neostriderfor gregale04:36
everaldoneostrider, I use only 3.004:36
neostrideryou have a n800 or a 770?04:37
everaldoand I have only 770 (I cant buy N800 from Brazil :( )04:37
neostrideré também =-D04:37
everaldoand I develop using 3.0 but application works fine in 77004:37
neostriderI will use it!04:38
everaldoneostrider, in irc at gimpnet I am always available in #mono-maemo04:39
everaldowell... I am always available in all #mono-* ;)04:39
neostriderheheh...I will look for you04:40
neostriderand also04:40
neostriderif there is anything I can do for help04:40
neostriderlet me know04:40
neostriderboth as a C# and as C++ programmer04:40
neostrideror maybe just with docs04:40
everaldoOh! Really nice04:40
everaldoin #mono-maemo theres two other guys working to port some application04:41
everaldoand searching and reporting bugs04:41
everaldo(more fast that i can fix )04:41
bipolardolfun: right... but the howto said it should work with sid... obvously the packages got updated a lot since that howto was made :\04:42
everaldoI am also porting TomBoy to device, will be nice have it04:42
dolfunanybody want to test pixel doubling on a 770? :)04:42
dolfunsmart people04:43
* dolfun reboots04:43 there a SDL port to C#,right?04:43
everaldobut I dont test/try it on maemo04:45
neostriderand for mono?04:45
neostriderhave you or anybody else tried?04:45
neostriderwell..i guess im better writing about it than trying some impossible port...Im a newbie...for god sake... (im telling this for myself =-P)04:47
everaldoneostrider, I am not, but I listen something from other guys04:47
neostriderwell...I must leave now04:48
neostriderbut thank you for the help04:48
neostriderI will try to help the project in the same way04:49
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everaldo"All the assemblies have been tested under Mono for Windows and Linux."04:50
neostridergreat =-D04:50
neostrideri will try it04:50
everaldoneostrider, good nigth04:50
neostridergood night04:50
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bipolardolfun: heh... even etch requires a newer debhelper... I'll try sarge (yuck, old!)05:02
bipolardolfun: yep! thats it. the ncurses from sarge builds... well, it's building anyway05:07
BrianRiceQ: how is it that maemo-mapper 1.4.x requires versions of hildon-fm1 (>0.29-1) and hildon-libs0 (>0.12.14) that OS 2006 doesn't have in its main repositories? do i need to switch to some "testing" branch?05:08
dolfunVersion: 1.3.505:10
dolfunthat's the latest i see05:10
BrianRicei select for updates and see 1.4.405:10
BrianRicei had to install 1.3.5 by manually dl'ing the .deb05:11
dolfuni just have mistral05:11
BrianRicewell, do you have map repository url's that you are willing to share? i tried a bunch found on discussion forums but they didn't fully succeed for me.05:12
BrianRicei was hoping to use the new support for open street maps, but that's in 1.405:12
dolfundo you need newer maemo for 1.4?  gregale?05:12
dolfunmaybe the developers haven't submitted required updated dependency pacakges05:13
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Markovwhy is there no click-to-install for fbreader on the maemo website05:40
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dolfuncool.  ar -vx extracts contents of a .deb file06:10
dolfuncool.  cat /proc/omap_clocks |grep arm_ck shows clockspd06:24
c0ffeegoogle summer of bloat06:26
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DIrEctQLhey, where can i find smbfs kernel for N800?08:07
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dolfuneither on the internet, or in the future08:09
DIrEctQLi was it on maemo.org08:10
DIrEctQLbut the link is dead08:10
dolfundo you know what the filename was?08:13
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DIrEctQLnot sure08:19
DIrEctQLit's kind of strange08:19
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dolfun"missing install"08:21
DIrEctQLwell that's not the problem08:21
DIrEctQLyou need the flasher tool to install it08:21
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dolfunyou can get that elsewhere08:22
DIrEctQLthe problem is that the link to it isn't working08:22
febbhi all.08:22
febbanyone in here with an n800 at hand and willing to make some "camera" tests ?08:24
DIrEctQLwhat kind of tests?08:24
febba video chat test, first.08:25
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DIrEctQLdon't have google talk installed08:26
dolfunDIrEctQL: flasher:
dolfunlink to download there08:26
DIrEctQLno, i don't need the flasher08:26
febbI thought  it is  installed by default on a brand new n800.....08:26
DIrEctQLi need the kernel with smbfs08:26
DIrEctQLfebb: you need to register for an account08:27
dolfun<dolfun> "missing install"08:27
febbbut everyone nowadays has a gmail account...... :)08:27
dolfunthe page you linked to DIrEctQL has no kernel on it08:27
dolfunit has no files, which is why there's a "missing install" icon on it08:28
febbwell, so, nobody with an N800 and a Googletalk account  would be willing to make some video chat tests ?08:34
dolfunnumber of users active in channel = 308:34
febbnumber of users logged in = 187 !08:35
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febboh well.... maybe tomorrow.    .. g'nite all.08:36
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konfoojoke of the day:
* dolfun is just about ready to drink himself into oblivion08:50
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Raekkerihello. i've encountered problems trying to play two songs simultaneously on n770 (using gstreamer). are there some limitations to that?08:51
timelesswhy would you want to do that?08:51
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Raekkeripart of my project08:52
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timelesskonfoo: is that real?08:55
konfootimeless yeah its microsoft's competitive intelligence site against linux, for marketing droids09:01
konfooscary isnt it.09:01
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dolfunever seen the microsoft 'linux' poster with the penguins and the mismatched body parts?09:05
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paul__hey all, i was wondering if the hardware arrow keys work for anyone when using the python shell09:07
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paul__all i am getting are escape sequences09:09
dolfunthey map to X keycodes09:09
dolfunkeycode 9, 54, etc09:09
dolfunoh they work in xterm, nice09:09
paul__yea, any idea how to get them working within the python shell?09:11
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dolfunbut what are you doing in a shell without a keyboard in the first place09:12
paul__i actually am SSHing into the nokia09:13
dolfunyou can also run synergy to use desktop keyboard+mouse in nokia09:14
paul__so technically i am using a keyboard.  its just that the arrow keys on my desktop's keyboard and the directional pad on the nokia are producing the same result09:15
dolfunwhich, btw is on my list of things to fix09:15
chibiAcydsynergy has a tendancy to goof up with my kvm switch09:15
dolfunah so the python shell has no arrow-key support at all09:15
paul__yea, sorry.  that seems to be the problem09:16
paul__at least on the version 2.4 that i have installed09:17
dolfuncontact the maintainer09:19
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paul__if i cant find an option to enable it, i will09:20
paul__are you able to check if your nokia's python shell also has this problem?09:20
dolfundon't have it installed09:21
dolfunhow do you invoke it09:22
paul__within xterm just type python09:22
dolfunnot found09:22
dolfuni could install it into scratchbox09:23
paul__if it was your bash prompt would change to the python interactive interpreter09:23
paul__nono, it was out of casual curiosity that i asked.  no need09:23
dolfunjust did, in scratchbox via ssh it works09:24
dolfunno space on the 77009:24
paul__oh so the arrow keys work in 2.5?09:24
dolfunyes, this is in scratchbox armel target / mistral09:26
paul__thanks i appreciate it09:27
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dolfunyou on a 770 paul__ ?09:31
dolfunmaybe you could satisfy my curiosity about something09:31
paul__i would upgrade my python to 2.5, but i just got django running with 2.409:31
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paul__yea, what can i do for you09:32
dolfuncat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MIPS09:32
paul__BogoMIPS        : 320.3709:33
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dolfunbleh, the 770 shows me 125.7609:33
dolfunthanks, that explains why the 800 users don't care about optimizing Ur-Quan Masters09:34
paul__heh, i had a 770.  and returned it months ago because there was no flash video support.  The n800 is faster, but not amazingly so09:34
dolfunyou can watch youtube vids on the n800?09:35
chibiAcydnothing like they showed in the promos and ads09:35
dolfuni use youtube-dl script and play em with mplayer09:36
paul__its more the fact that you have the ability to watch them.  not so much that watching them is a pleasant experience09:36
paul__also i remember the n770 playing local video files much better than the n800 does09:36
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dolfuni'm too poor to upgrade, so it's a moot point.09:37
kulvehopefully that will change with the next(?) sw upgrade..09:37
dolfunif i could only get pixel doubling to work with any of these sdl demos09:37
paul__yea if you have a 770 i say no need to upgrade09:37
chibiAcydlocal video works good for me on the n800 if it's encoded right09:37
paul__the n800 is without the n770's excellent case, which really hampers the portability for me.  Its is a bigger deal than i thought it was going to be09:39
chibiAcydi usually keep mine screen locked in a pocket of my cargo pants09:40
paul__chibiAcyd: yea i havent yet tried to encode my vids properly.  i'm sure that makes a big difference09:40
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chibiAcydit makes a big difference, but it's time consuming09:41
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dolfunlearning to tweak vids is fun, i spent a week with mencoder and 770-encode.pl09:42
paul__you use the n800 to convert the codecs or do you do the encoding on a separate computer?09:42
chibiAcydencode on a pc09:42
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t2Hi, I'm currently checking out the gnu portable thread library (Debian version 2.0.7-6) on the nokia n800. The test programs runs in the scratchbox (cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm, qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2) but fails to run on the real device (Illegal instruction). Any idea?10:19
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JaffaMorning, all10:55
AD-N770good morning / bon dia10:56
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mk8Hi to all ....11:14
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dolfunheh 5fps with dgen Genesis emulator12:06
* zuh notes that it's funny that not long ago mono was considered bloated for desktops since it is a VM and now everybody is busy porting their favourite emulators to a handheld... ;)12:14
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dolfungot a 770 zuh?12:17
dolfuni checked out Tak's xmame and fceu diffs and he's didn't have to change the way they use sdl12:18
dolfunwhich is pissing me off royally cause i'm making the same changes to a variety of sdl apps/demos12:19
dolfunand they all give blackscreen12:19
JussiPDon't use xmame, it has not been updated in ages.12:19
dolfunjussip, any experience with sdl? and Xsp?12:20
dolfuni can put a couple of demos online that should* be working12:21
JussiPSdl yes, but I have no access to build tools.12:22
dolfunyou mean at this moment?  or in general12:23
zuhdolfun: Nope, I have a N "my LCD-controller bus bandwidth sucks" 800.12:24
dolfunit's starting to drive me a little wobbly.  i've got the same include and linking options, the same libs, the same code after SDL_Init()12:25
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shreshey, the pdf viewer used in maemo does it support re-flow for pdfs?12:39
dolfunwhat is re-flow12:40
shresre-flow for pdfs is  mostly dynamic re organization of text so that there is no need for horizontal scrolling without reducing font (fit to page)12:42
shresits important for devices with small screens12:43
dolfunah so they're taking a format, that used to specify layout like postscript12:44
dolfunand turning it into html12:44
shresdolfun, maemo uses evince as its pdf viewer?12:45
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dolfunpdf is evil12:46
shresok, looks like maemo uses evince. Let me try fixing this.12:49
koenyou can install evince if you want12:49
koenthe default one uses xpdf iirc12:50
shreskoen, ah, interesting. Neither support what i need, so i think i will try fixing it.12:50
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Tenkawamorning all13:37
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stoneAnyone using bluetooth keyboard with the N800?14:18
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kkito/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkbindings.h:76: error: expected unqualified-id before "protected"14:36
kkito/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkbindings.h:76: error: abstract declarator `GtkBindingSignal*' used as declaration14:36
kkito/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkbindings.h:76: error: expected `;' before "protected"14:36
kkitodo you know what ami missing?14:36
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LinuxApeemail app is very buggy, any upgrade due?15:03
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makuchakuLinuxApe: what all bugs did you find?15:25
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unique311hmmm, there's alot of nokia device owners in here...wonder how many in here owns a n800?15:47
bergieI guess most do15:48
glas55still got just a 77015:48
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s-ndh-csame here, only n77015:50
zyxulnag1unique311: i own 24 of them15:50
unique31124 77015:50
unique311or 24 various15:51
zyxulnag1and 7 770's15:51
unique311share the wealth buddy15:51
zyxulnag1i am not wealthy15:51
zyxulnag1i just set them up15:51
zyxulnag1with special software15:51
unique311you work for nokia15:51
unique311or a gps company15:51
zyxulnag1technically no15:51
zyxulnag1a computer security company15:51
unique311or the security company15:51
unique311i knew it15:51
unique311i read about a security company selling them for like 3000+ with a security suite on them..15:52
zyxulnag1more like 5015:53
unique311let me find the article15:53
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unique311thats the name of the company15:54
unique311zyxulnag1 do you set up metasploit on it?15:55
unique311i tried setting up metasploit on my device but it would work.15:55
zyxulnag1didnt get the chance yet15:55
zyxulnag1it should15:55
unique311what security software are you setting up on the ones you own?15:56
Veggenbtw, on the only-fun side: The python-api for this one: works on my N800. Including a python/glade-based gui :) (but you need to run hook it up to a different machine)15:56
zyxulnag1some bluetooth scanner15:56
unique311silica is selling their product which is basically a 770 running the software for 3600 dollars..15:57
unique311good software i guess15:57
Veggenunique: Or good flossy brochures.15:58
unique311Using a free utility from and a custom-built Ruby package, Maynor found that it was pretty easy to get Metasploit running on the Nokia N800.15:58
unique311custom ruby?15:58
Veggen(eh, glossy)15:58
unique311guess thats why mines didn't work15:58
unique311flossy same15:58
dragornno, silica is the name of the device, immunitysec is the company15:58
unique311but the device is a 77015:58
dragornyes.  It's a 770 running canvas and a hildonized gui.15:59
unique311so where do i find this custom-built ruby package?15:59
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kkitounique311, i build ruby withour problems16:12
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unique311kkito for n80016:14
unique311can i use the deb package for the 770?16:14
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unique311everyones tried youtube and know how the playback sucks...16:30
unique311but i have an orb account i remembered about..and they have a feature where you can watch youtube videos, and the playback is very good....16:31
unique311u can also watch videos, listen to music from your hardrive..16:31
unique311read documents16:32
unique311pretty cool stuff..16:32
unique311its free, thats the best part...
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dragornoh, handy, I didn't know bora had a gps system built in.  And it's gpsd.  Time to write some kismet support for that I guess.16:39
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bergiedragorn: please consider using GeoClue instead of GPSD16:47
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zyxulnag1there is a builtin gps for the nokia 800?16:49
dragornbergie: kismet has used gpsd for 5 years16:49
bergiedragorn: geoclue has a gpsd backend, but it has others too16:50
dragornbergie: I'm very familiar with how much it sucks, however it appears to be built into bora, which was the point of my comment16:50
bergieso you can get (some level of) positioning even without GPS16:50
dragornzyxulnag1: No, but bora has a BT gps search/bind library16:50
dragornbergie: if it's the hook into the wireless network list, that will, ironically, not work very well16:50
zyxulnag1oh nice16:51
zyxulnag1it does that online?16:51
dragornbergie: Because kismet takes away the wireless card while it's running16:51
dragornzyxulnag1: it's in the wiki16:51
bergiedragorn: yeah, Plazes backend wouldn't be so useful for this case... but maybe others would16:51
dragornbergie: Well, you get my default answer:  Kismet-newcore supports server plugins, and I abstracted the gps subsystem out for plugins to use. :)16:51
bergiefor example, I might provide my position by centering Maemo Mapper on a location16:51
dragornbergie: When I get newcore running on the 800, I'll probably do a bora-gpsd plugin for it, and anyone who wants can not only write a geoclue plugin for it, but they could even write a geoclue export plugin for it16:52
dragornto feed the list of visible networks back into plaze16:52
bergiedragorn: yeah, that'd be interesting too16:52
dragorn"someone" may not be me since I've got a pile of stuff to keep me busy for years16:53
dragorndepends how motivated I am once I get the new client using mouse handling in ncurses16:53
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nelsonwhat feed is kismet in?17:00
nelsonbergie: gpsd is part of GeoClue.17:01
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dragornnelson: I haven't made an official package.  A few other ppl have made packages here and there.17:01
dragornKismet has some issues still, namely that on the n800 the stock driver crashes17:02
dragornand that when you exit it thrashes the network monitoring app in weird ways17:02
nelsonIt's the best monitoring program available to the 770, no?17:02
dragornand that it needs root, so I want the real package to be suid-root on the binary (already done, but i'm not totally pleased)17:02
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dragornanything using rfmon on the 770/800 is going to have the same issues17:03
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dragornwhich means I'm going to have to package up a driver package and a bunch of helper code to kick the driver over, too, and I'm not sure thats something I want to deal with yet17:04
* nelson uses The Force on dragorn to get him to make a package.17:04
dragornit would also be a good idea to link into the dbus stuff and shut down the network connection via the standard app instead of ifconfiging it down out from under things17:04
zyxulnag1dragorn: can you do packet injection in the n800?17:04
dragornzyxulnag1: no17:05
zyxulnag1i wonder if its possible to modify the drivers17:05
dragornzyxulnag1: the "OSS" driver is barely a driver wrapped around a binary blob (sorry, whoever wrote it, if you're in here, but it's true)17:05
zyxulnag1never tried it17:05
dragornAll the actual firmware methods are in the umac which is binary only17:05
dragornand the umac rejects inject during rfmon17:06
zyxulnag1so you cant inject in a different mode?17:06
dragornwhich might be solveable with a weeks worth of effort and IDA Pro, but I couldn't release it if I did that anyhow17:06
zyxulnag1nokia reserves the rights?17:06
zyxulnag1I thought it was an OMAP board17:06
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zyxulnag1that had the wifi chipset on it17:07
dragornthe new garage drivers just fix the problem the old ones had where they totally crap the bed if you try to inject17:07
zyxulnag1along with the arm917:07
dragornwhere it actually breaks wext interfaces and such.  the new ones just fail cleanly.17:07
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zyxulnag1i see17:07
dragornI don't know who owns the umac blob, but I've never seen a binary blob that allowed you to distribute modifications in the eula17:07
dragornrev: other modes - there are no other modes17:08
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dragornrfmon, managed, adhoc17:08
dragornmaster is blocked both at the OSS wrapper layer and in the umac17:08
zyxulnag1i was thinking of master17:08
dragornyou can uncomment the master mode blocks, but it doesn't seem to work, since it's just calling umac setup commands17:08
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dragorni'm about 5 hours of work away from having injection working on the 770 using usb host mode and a USB rt73 nic17:09
dragornbut that's a poor solution17:09
* k-s is away: Lunch17:09
dragorn(tho it also makes kismet run a whole lot better since it's not dealing with the funky internal NIC)17:09
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nelsonIs it just me, or is completely useless when the package doesn't have the necessary magic to light up the install arrow?17:15
Takor doesn't have the homepage filled in17:15
dragornnelson: do you have an n800 or a n77017:16
keesjnelson: are you able to login?17:16
nelsondragorn: both.17:17
nelsonkeesj: will that help?17:17
dragornnelson: it will almost certainly crash and burn w/ the stock firmware drivers17:17
dragornso you'll have to build the garage version17:18
keesjnelson , no , it is a question of pure interest17:18
dragornnelson: thats for the n800.  in theory, it'll work on the n770 too, but i haven't tested it17:18
nelsondragorn: thanks.  crash and burn is acceptable.  It's not like the 770 is a stable platform.17:18
nelsonkeesj: hadn't tried it, no.17:19
dragornwell, i mean, I *know* the bora firmware drivers do something weird and die about 3 seconds after you go into rfmon17:19
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nelsonOh, THAT crash and burn.  Hrm.  I thought I saw it running earlier without crashing.17:20
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dragornwell, on my device, the bora builtin drivers blow up switching modes17:20
nelsonI had tried it on the 770.17:20
dragornthe 770 isn't running bora, is it :P17:21
nelsonNo, it wouldn't be.17:21
dragornwhat I want to solve is swapping the driver automatically on the 800, cleanly disabling the network connection, and getting the system back to a sane state when it exits.  Then I'll make real packages.17:22
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jdubfolks know if carlosg hangs here?17:48
X-Fade_jdub: Sure. He is here regularly..17:51
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X-Fade_jdub: carlosguerreiro17:52
jdubclever ;)17:53
jdubthanks X-Fade_17:55
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unique311so i want to run scratchbox...setup vmware. then run scratchbox from within???18:03
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dragornprobably the easiest way.  install ubuntu, then install sb18:05
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unique311i have ubuntu installed natively..but am in windows....too lazy to reboot..18:07
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dragornyou could probably do raw disk mode in vmware18:07
mgedminthere's a rather simple solution to that quandry: don't ever boot windows ;)18:07
dragornand use your installed ubuntu18:07
unique311i forgot about that..18:08
unique311run my native ubuntu in vmware18:08
unique311thanks dude..18:08
unique311which is already set up18:09
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unique311that saved me alot18:09
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kkitois it possible to enable usb host support on the n800?18:54
kkitowith a modified usb driver?18:55
kkitoand using a usb hub with external power supply?18:55
mgedminsomeone has to write a kernel driver for it first18:56
kulvekkito: works for 770, but not for 80018:57
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X-FadeAlthough looking at the chips on the board revealed that it is capable of even providing power to the usb port.18:58
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kkitooh, it is not using an opensource driver then?18:59
dragornthere is no code to drive that chipset in host mode18:59
dragornopen source or otherwise18:59
dragorn(or such is my understanding)18:59
kkitowell perhaps in the next IT release we have a surprise :D19:00
dragornmailing list posts indicate that won't be the case19:00
dragornbut who knows19:00
X-Fadetps65030 USB-OTG Power Manager 5v 100mA19:00
kulveand if there would, is it soldered in a way that could make that possible?19:00
dragorntheres lots of posts on the mailing list about the usb stuff, check the archives19:00
dragornyou'd probably want an external power system anyway to prevent draining the 800s battery so quickly19:01
dragorneither a usb power system, or an external battery power system for the 800 itself19:01
dragorndepending how much you could alleviate the usb power drain of the device w/ a powered hub or something19:01
mgedminusb host support is on the roadmap, iirc19:01
mgedminor was it in the wishlist part?19:02
dragornI think it's been moved to the roadmap w/ no target time19:02
dragornor the last time I looked, that was the case19:02
zuhIt's there
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zuhAnd apparently it really is a matter of missind (or rather non-working) drivers19:06
zuhjudging from the mails19:06
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unique311n800 not having infrared, does that mean bluetooth is going to replace infrared from now on?19:55
sxpertunique311, infrared is dead and buried19:57
unique311but bluetooth with the pairing...kinda sucks19:58
sxpertit could do similar things to bluetooth, but bluetooth doesn't need to be face to face19:58
sxpertunique311, the pairing is a security feature19:58
sxpertrather lame though, considering how easy it is to break19:59
sxpertthere should be no need for inputting a code.19:59
unique311i have a bluetooth headset that refuses to work with the almighty n80019:59
unique311well it pairs up..and thats it20:00
sxpertI'm not sure the current software load handles headsets (yet ?)20:00
mgedminit doesn't20:00
sxpertthis would explain :D20:00
unique311what follows bluetooth i wonder....20:02
unique311a bluetooth killer...??20:02
unique311let me google that and see20:02
unique311guess just advancement in bluetooth itself..--->
unique311a dvd movie in 1 minute between 2 devices..20:04
unique311guess thats not promoting piracy20:04
mgedminwhat kind of storage system can write a dvd's worth of data in 1 minute?20:05
mgedmin(certainly not SD cards)20:06
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unique311devices carrying these new bluetooth killer chips can20:07
||cwwhat kind of storage can write at 1Gpbs?  yet we have gigabit nics20:07
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||cwand is that a dvd4.5 or a dvd9?20:08
||cw9GB/s is certainly more impressive than 4.5GB/s20:08
||cwer, /m20:09
unique311it doesn't say what type of devices..20:09
unique311just that the new chip will be able to make it possible..20:09
unique311im confuse20:09
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unique311heres the article20:09
||cwhm, 9GB in 1 minute is only 1.2 Gbps20:09
||cwso not as impressive as it sounds20:10
unique311the chip does 2Gbps20:10
||cwah, overhead20:10
sxpertunique311, 2 questions20:11
||cwkind of like B wifi does 11Mbps20:11
sxpert1) what sort of power consumption ?20:11
sxpert2) how many crappy patents from hell on that thing20:11
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||cw60GHz band is pretty impressive as well20:12
unique3112008 your questions will be answered...20:12
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unique311prolly sure by 2008 something else will be out..]20:12
unique311much faster20:13
unique311it got to the point where i'm afradi to buy something fearing it will be outdated in a freaking couple of months.20:14
unique311the N800 i took a chance thing i will invest in is one of those UMPC..20:15
dragornYou just have to know the difference between "outdated" and "not useful to you"20:16
unique311good point20:16
dragornor rather, "not the latest" and "not useful to you"20:16
dragornwhich is hard thing for a gadget geek to overcome :P20:16
unique311another good point...20:17
dragorni suggest being poor for a while, it'll break you of it real quick :P20:17
unique311very poor...20:17
unique311working for a company that makes gadgets is a plus..20:18
unique311assembly line20:18
unique311dream job20:18
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tzzunique: if you like tech toys, your best bet is to be a reviewer20:20
unique311is that what you do tzz?20:21
||cwassuming you can write20:22
unique311I can draw...thats about it20:22
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tzzunique: I've done book reviews, not gadgets20:23
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tzzI must have 200+ books from various publishers...20:24
tzzmost of them unwanted, but I was very glad to see the new Perl 6 ORA book for instance20:26
unique311i have lots of books, but not from the publishers..20:26
tzzanyhow, the point is, start writing your opinions, make your site/blog/column popular, and you can ask manufacturers for samples.  You have to get on the radar first though, and it helps if your opinions are interesting and respected :)20:28
suihkulokki"can write" seems no longer a requirement for high tech reviewer.. :P20:28
tzzI wouldn't do it just for the samples, personally.  It's too much work.20:28
tzzbut if it's something you love, then sure...20:28
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unique311I'll just buy the gadgets20:29
tzzsuihkulokki: I am assuming that bad writing will not be popular enough to get on the radar.  The web is a very Darwinian environment when it comes to claiming visitor eyeballs.20:29
dragorntzz: unless you have an enormous pile of crappy writing20:30
dragorntzz: then you'll make a fortune. :P20:30
tzzhow do you figure that?  Have you been reading Joel Spolsky's columns?20:30
dragornI was thinking livejournal and myspace :P20:31
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tzzwell any time you allow anybody to publish their opinions, you get the bottom 10% who think they are in the top 1%...  That's inevitable.20:32
tzzbut I doubt anyone's made a fortune from LJ or MySpace, except the founders.20:33
[mbm]well, to some people the internet is a magical thing like television that everyone dreams of being on, when they find some crap like myspace they think they're famous20:34
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ncharityDoes anyone know anything about an Abiword release for n800?20:48
koenncharity: last I heard the abiword dudes were struggling with the broken c++ compiler needed for maemo20:50
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ncharityI read on Etrunkos blog they were almost ready too release, and some guy at itt seems to have it installed20:56
timelesshello  world20:56
timelessanyone know of a way to play midi files?20:57
ncharityAnyone got phonelink to work with n800? My .gnokiirc configuration doesnt work. Got a sony ericsson phone.21:03
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tzztimeless: mplayer doesn't work for MIDI?21:06
tzzI haven't tried it, but it's the first thing I'd check21:06
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timelessdoesn't seem to21:12
srihi folks21:17
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mgedmintimidity or fluidsynth is needed for midi21:21
mgedminI don't know if any of those has been ported21:21
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mgedminand I don't know if n800 has enough cpu power for those21:21
glas55does mikmod or something play midis21:22
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mgedminI doubt it21:23
glas55many mod players in '90s had support for mids.. with sample sets21:24
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LinuxApeany email app updates forthcoming?22:25
LinuxApeit's quite buggy22:25
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SuperbiaI was thinking... someone said the other day that the biggest problem with another windowmanager would be that they don't have pen support... but isn't that just a driver like wacom for tablet pcs?22:36
kulveone problem is that many apps etc assumes you have e.g. right click and mouse-over -things..22:37
kulveof course those can be emulated, but it's not convenient anymore22:37
Superbiatrue that point I can understand...22:38
Superbiayou would need to rewrite some apps for single-click use only22:38
kulvein some cases for easier use, yes. (imo)22:39
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Superbiawas mostly thinking that for me for example... I don't like hildon becouse it steals screenspace from xterm etc... would be nice to have a wm that didn't have any extras like that... but then ofc it's a question of how easy non maemo version of some apps would be to use I guess...22:40
[mbm]Superbia: tablet pcs you can hold the pen just above the screen and move the cursor around without clicking, touch the screen and it clicks; with the 770/n800 you don't have that hover functionality, anywhere you touch it clicks22:40
[mbm]you're also lacking the alternate mouse buttons22:41
Superbiaahh... well I miss the alternative mouse buttons on my macbook pro too (when running linux) and it works :P but I see the point with the hover thingie22:41
[mbm]as for xterm, you can fullscreen it22:42
Superbiamy version must be broken then... :S typical... need to find a updated22:43
Superbiais transparency possible too? ;)22:43
Superbiais it possible to get cellphone java apps running btw? been looking for it but not seen much about it22:44
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shackanSuperbia, NO22:53
shackanor, not until some good chap ports a good chunk of J2ME22:54
Superbiaahh... no emulator yet... :S22:54
shackanemulator of what?22:54
Superbiarunning java cell phone apps... iirc nokia sends one with the sdk for j2me programming22:55
shackanbut having an emulator has nothing to do with having j2me support ON the device22:56
Superbiajust mean that if they just released a emu it wouldn't need all the hard work of porting j2me...22:57
Superbiabtw there is some java mobile things ported... but not really sure what it's good for22:57
dragornso you want to take a low-power embedded device23:00
dragornand emulate a virtual machine emulating java?23:00
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Superbiajust just want to be able to run my j2me apps... how I do it doesn't really bother me as long as it doesn't lag more then my cell phone ;)23:01
dragornyeah you're missing the point of my statement there.23:02
SuperbiaI guess so... I don't see how a cell phone can do something that the nokia tablet can't except make calls for logic reasons23:04
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Taksymbian vs linux?23:06
glas55is java ported?23:06
glas55there's some j2me emus that are java..23:06
Superbiathere are java ported.. but can't get any of the packages to run j2me apps...23:07
Superbiatak; huh? :)23:07
glas55Superbia: they will not run directly23:07
shackanTak, 1 - 0, obviously :P23:07
glas55but some j2me "emulator" written in java could run on the ported java possibly23:08
Superbiaglas55; ahh okay, now I'm starting to follow... hmm23:08
glas55they're not real emus, more like implementations of the j2me system classes and such that they run... at least the applet one i tried 3 years ago23:08
glas55dunno what has happened on that front after that23:09
glas55many of the windows j2me emus run on java.. but have exe starters and shit23:09
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maddlerhi all!23:12
Superbiahmm yeah... oh well... if I can't get it working no real loss... just would be fun... have some quite useful apps on the phone but feels stupid pulling the phone out to name currency converting when I have the n800 in my hand...23:12
SuperbiaHi maddler :)23:12
Tak for the n800 ;-)23:13
Superbiahave a java app that downloads rates for some main bank of EU and so when run... very slick and never lag but I guess can use a website when having net access23:14
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mk8Hi to all ...23:29
sp3000google has currency conversion so "234 eur in aud" into the search applet and you're done ;)23:30
sp3000but yeah, needs live connection obviously so not always useful23:30
Superbiahaha wouldn't call that smooth solution but I guess it works :D23:30
Superbiastarted looking at maemomapper now... getting a bluetooth gps unit this week... seems good but doesn't see to get it it show streets... maybe need a gps unit for that...23:31
sp3000smooth for ad hoc, not so much if you need it at all often :)23:31
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roopeIt should show streets also without a gps unit.23:32
roopeGPS only provides some extra functionalities to it.23:33
Superbiahmm okay... strange... and I need to check if I an download like nordic countries becouse this update on the fly is a little slow with gprs I guess23:33
roopeJust zoom in enough, you should see them.23:34
Superbiait just gets very very messy then... using VE hybrid atleast... maybe not that will mapped over sweden and so?23:35
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roopeYeah, the hybrid is probably very messy.23:36
derfThe Google street maps one works great.23:37
derfI've been hiking round Tokyo with it this week.23:37
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Superbiatrying street maps now... but not sure if I want to use google... I would like to plot courses you need VE maps for that don't you?23:37
Superbiacool, would love to go to japan some day :)23:38
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roopeGooglemaps works with plotting courses.23:39
Superbiaohh, read somewhere that google maps were just jpegs and you needed vector to plot courses :)23:40
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roopeWell. What the displays outwards is jpeg:s, yes. But what maemomapper downloads is the vector version of the maps.23:42
Superbiaohh sweet :D23:42
Superbiaany clue on how I download all EU maps in one sweep? starting to get tired by all clicking ^^23:43
roopeIt has the command for Manage maps... or something like that.23:43
roopeWith the command you can download an area of maps all in one go.23:43
roopeI wouldn't recommend the whole EU though, it will be gigabytes. :)23:44
Superbiaohh hehe well whole nordic countries atleast :D23:44
roopeYou basically zoom the screen to display the area that you want to download, then select which of hte zoom steps you want to download and press go.23:44
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roopeUnder Maps - Manage Maps   in the application menu.23:45
Superbiachecking it now, thanks23:45
Superbia1504 maps ~9.04mb it says23:45
roopeFrom the Zoom tab select like 2, 4 and 6. or 0 if you want the most detailed also.23:46
roopeBy default it's only downloading the zoom step 3 maps. Then the size is much smaller. :)23:46
roope0 is a killer. 0 just of Helsinki is over 20 megs. :)23:46
sxpertthere's something wierd in the openstreetmap support. it appears there's only 1/2 the zoom levels or something ?23:46
roopeThe application offers a between zoom step, between the real data.23:47
Superbiahehe well my 2gb card is quite empty so ;)23:47
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roopeActually i'm only 90% sure now about the bitmap / vector thing I was talking. ANyway, route planning works still.23:48
chibiAcydi should buy a 4gb card just for mapper23:48
Superbiathats the most important :)23:48
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