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| bipolar | has anyone found a fix for the memory leak that causes the n800 to reboot all the time? | 00:11 |
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| bipolar | kkito: ping | 00:33 |
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| Tenkawa | bipolar: i havent seen this problem with my n800 | 00:34 |
| Tenkawa | you running any custom apps/ | 00:34 |
| Tenkawa | er ? | 00:34 |
| bipolar | Custom? yeah. lots of custom stuff. :) | 00:35 |
| Tenkawa | it may be one of those apps | 00:35 |
| bipolar | I remember someone talking about a memory leak in the sound system. | 00:35 |
| bipolar | that causes reboots | 00:35 |
| Tenkawa | hmm.. havent seen it here | 00:35 |
| bipolar | And it seems to be related. system sounds cause reboots. :\ | 00:36 |
| Tenkawa | I turned the system sounds mostly off | 00:37 |
| Tenkawa | they were annoying | 00:37 |
| bipolar | Tenkawa: heh... maybe thats why you're not seeing reboots :) | 00:38 |
| Tenkawa | could be :) | 00:38 |
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| dolfun | is cross-compiling with qemu generally accurate? | 00:44 |
| dolfun | i can't make the question any better really | 00:45 |
| dolfun | i'm using toolchain cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm to compile to latest OS 2006 release (mistral) | 00:47 |
| bipolar | dolfun: you can only get more accurate if you compileon the native hardware. | 00:47 |
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| bipolar | dolfun: personaly, I'd rather just crosscompile on x86. | 00:48 |
| dolfun | most ppl seem to be doing that | 00:48 |
| * bipolar needs to setup a maemo devel enviroment | 00:48 | |
| dolfun | hmm my sources.list in the sdk_armel is gregale, but on the 770 it is mistral | 00:50 |
| dolfun | do you think that could cause problems? | 00:50 |
| dolfun | i compared the libraries i am using and they are identical | 00:51 |
| dolfun | beginning to flail here :/ i'll try a simple sdl demo | 00:54 |
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| bipolar | what scratchbox toolchains do I need for n800 development? | 01:39 |
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| dolfun | bipolar: here's a link http://www.ringnokia.com/2007/01/maemo_30_bora_r.html | 01:46 |
| dolfun | I just wrota a cool new sdl app | 01:46 |
| dolfun | it gives you a black screen requiring reboot | 01:46 |
| bipolar | haha | 01:47 |
| dolfun | my undoubler program didn't fix it either (?) urhm | 01:49 |
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| LinuxApe | is there a citrix client fot the n800? | 01:54 |
| dolfun | if there is one, and it's not findable with google, then the authors don't want to share it | 01:57 |
| Tak | dolfun: sounds like you're having fun | 01:58 |
| dolfun | Takkkkk! | 01:59 |
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| dolfun | trying to figure out why my build of your fceu is giving me trashy doubling | 02:00 |
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| Tak | you're building my source? | 02:00 |
| dolfun | yeah. and now working with a tiny sdl demo that sets/unsets doubling | 02:00 |
| dolfun | i suspect something is wrong with my SDK_armel | 02:01 |
| Tak | heh, I made a little thing to do that too | 02:01 |
| dolfun | do you have a couple of minutes? | 02:01 |
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| Tak | eh, not really - maybe tomorrow ? | 02:04 |
| dolfun | ok thanks | 02:05 |
| dolfun | if you could put the sdl demo up, i'd like to compare notes | 02:06 |
| dolfun | but i think it's my build environment | 02:06 |
| dolfun | http://home.arcor.de/arnim.sauerbier/SDL_Doubling.tgz | 02:07 |
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| Tak | ok | 02:08 |
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| bipolar | Can anyone tell me which scratchbox toolkit I need to install to compile for the n800? It's a bit confusing. there are at least 6 diffrent deb packages in the scratchbox.org repo | 02:47 |
| bipolar | is it gcc4.1-uclibc20061004 ? | 02:48 |
| bipolar | er... not toolkit... toolchain | 02:49 |
| unique311 | Giimp for maemo??perty please.... | 02:53 |
| unique311 | call it Gimpy | 02:53 |
| dolfun | ah maybe my cpu transparency is wrong | 02:54 |
| unique311 | dolfun you a dev, right? | 02:56 |
| dolfun | since last week yeah | 02:58 |
| dolfun | goes to show how great maemo+scratchbox is | 02:58 |
| dolfun | wanna see a lot of toolchains bipolar? http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-apophis/test_results/apophis-r4_updates/results_auto/ubuntu-edgy/ | 03:01 |
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| dolfun | ./me tries a gregale just for laffs | 03:11 |
| neostrider | unique311 , are you there? | 03:11 |
| neostrider | does anybody knows if unique311 is going to come back | 03:15 |
| dolfun | bipolar: check out http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.0/maemo-sdk-relnotes_3.0.txt | 03:15 |
| neostrider | anybody knows if he have a webpage, of something like tha | 03:15 |
| neostrider | that? | 03:15 |
| neostrider | i must talk to him | 03:15 |
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| dolfun | been away for 27 minutes neostrider | 03:16 |
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| neostrider | unique311 ? | 03:16 |
| unique311 | ya | 03:16 |
| unique311 | whatup | 03:16 |
| neostrider | yesterday you asked about MaemoWizard, right? | 03:16 |
| neostrider | (thanks dolfun) | 03:16 |
| unique311 | ya... | 03:17 |
| unique311 | i read the response.. | 03:17 |
| neostrider | im the author =-D | 03:17 |
| unique311 | something about sdl | 03:17 |
| unique311 | cool | 03:17 |
| neostrider | well | 03:17 |
| neostrider | if you have a SDL application, it can help you to build a maemo debian package for it | 03:17 |
| neostrider | no miracle | 03:17 |
| neostrider | but worked for me | 03:17 |
| unique311 | k... | 03:18 |
| * dolfun will look into MaemoWizard too | 03:18 | |
| unique311 | I remember you neostrider | 03:18 |
| unique311 | did you ever finish the gimp port? | 03:18 |
| neostrider | im remember you too =-D | 03:18 |
| neostrider | I remember you too | 03:18 |
| neostrider | no...sorry | 03:18 |
| neostrider | I saw something good and already done | 03:18 |
| neostrider | a paint application that I think is more suitable for maemo | 03:19 |
| unique311 | i use maemopad+ | 03:19 |
| neostrider | dunno that | 03:19 |
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| unique311 | have any screenshots of the paint app? | 03:19 |
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| neostrider | better than that | 03:19 |
| neostrider | the webpage | 03:19 |
| unique311 | i tried it.. | 03:20 |
| unique311 | didn't work | 03:20 |
| unique311 | something about the browser not being compatible | 03:20 |
| neostrider | http://michaels770.blogspot.com/ | 03:20 |
| neostrider | now | 03:21 |
| neostrider | tell me unique311 | 03:21 |
| neostrider | what you're going to do with MaemoWizard | 03:21 |
| neostrider | I want you to test it for me =-D | 03:21 |
| neostrider | you too dolfun | 03:21 |
| unique311 | i just wanted info on what maemowizard did.. | 03:22 |
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| unique311 | not planning on using it.. | 03:22 |
| neostrider | brb ... snack | 03:22 |
| dolfun | roger wilco. i'll make a straightforward Ur-Quan Masters deb right after i do a couple of tests | 03:22 |
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| dolfun | ok back onto Dev_PLatform_v.2.0 (mistral) to match the 770 | 03:33 |
| dolfun | checking target system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu | 03:38 |
| dolfun | is that bad for an armel build environment? | 03:38 |
| neostrider | dolfun | 03:39 |
| neostrider | are you going to use MaemoWizard? | 03:39 |
| dolfun | seems to build fine | 03:39 |
| dolfun | yeah i just reconfigured my target | 03:40 |
| dolfun | where's the latest version? | 03:40 |
| dolfun | http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/maemowizard-02c-03-pre-release/ | 03:41 |
| dolfun | ? | 03:41 |
| dolfun | ok got my sdl demo ready | 03:44 |
| dolfun | "rename the $(B!H(Btemplate folder$(B!I(B the name of your project | 03:44 |
| neostrider | yeah | 03:44 |
| dolfun | my sdl project has no template folder | 03:44 |
| neostrider | the template directory | 03:44 |
| neostrider | no no | 03:45 |
| neostrider | unzip the maemowizard file | 03:45 |
| neostrider | there will be a "template" folder | 03:45 |
| neostrider | copy your demos to that folder | 03:45 |
| neostrider | and run the script | 03:45 |
| dolfun | doh ok | 03:45 |
| neostrider | everything ready? | 03:46 |
| neostrider | (oh...you can do this inside and outside scratchbox...I would recommend to do that outside...as the host envirotment can be more flexible) | 03:47 |
| dolfun | ok ran mass-modify | 03:47 |
| dolfun | ls debian | 03:48 |
| dolfun | changelog compat control copyright files postinst rule | 03:48 |
| dolfun | now dpkg-buildpackage? | 03:48 |
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| dolfun | i think i should have copied Makefile into 'project name' folder | 03:53 |
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| dolfun | ok reran MaemoWIzard outside of scratchbox, with Makefile and fire.c in the renamed template folder | 03:56 |
| bipolar | dolfun: thanks! | 03:59 |
| dolfun | bipolar: that seems to be the definitive word on toolchain-to-use | 04:00 |
| bipolar | dolfun: indeed | 04:02 |
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| dolfun | neostrider: are you there? | 04:08 |
| neostrider | yeah..sorry | 04:09 |
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| neostrider | let me see it | 04:09 |
| dolfun | i ran mass-modify outside of scratchbox | 04:09 |
| neostrider | ok | 04:10 |
| neostrider | then? | 04:10 |
| dolfun | and the only source files were Makefile and fire.c | 04:10 |
| dolfun | how is your script going to compile a arm binary outside of scratchbox? | 04:10 |
| neostrider | now, you move it to inside scratchbox | 04:11 |
| dolfun | now i await instructions | 04:11 |
| neostrider | and do the dpkg thing | 04:11 |
| dolfun | i am new to dpkg. i dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d ? | 04:11 |
| neostrider | (sorry if I left you with no clues...multiple desktops can be fatal) | 04:11 |
| neostrider | i guess i use -b instead of -d | 04:11 |
| neostrider | let me check | 04:12 |
| neostrider | yes | 04:12 |
| neostrider | i use -b | 04:12 |
| dolfun | ok i run it from which directory? | 04:12 |
| neostrider | from the "directory formely known as 'template'" =-) | 04:13 |
| dolfun | ok | 04:13 |
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| dolfun | # Add here commands to configure the package. | 04:14 |
| dolfun | CFLAGS="-Wall -g -O2" ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-static | 04:14 |
| dolfun | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub | 04:14 |
| neostrider | strange... | 04:14 |
| dolfun | there is no config.sub in the directory | 04:14 |
| dolfun | the source files had no subdirectories | 04:14 |
| neostrider | let me check here | 04:14 |
| neostrider | VERY strange | 04:14 |
| neostrider | there must be two visible and one invisible subdirs | 04:15 |
| dolfun | i see a problem, my user info is broken | 04:15 |
| neostrider | how come? | 04:15 |
| neostrider | try it as fakeroot | 04:15 |
| dolfun | i reinstalled my template, and it dest... hmm ok | 04:15 |
| neostrider | (i clearly see everything inside the zip) | 04:16 |
| neostrider | hey...try this: | 04:16 |
| neostrider | unzip maemowizard again | 04:16 |
| neostrider | copy the template folder to scratchbox and do the dpkg directly | 04:16 |
| dolfun | i see the config.sub directory now | 04:16 |
| dolfun | ok | 04:16 |
| neostrider | without running mass-modify or copying anything to it | 04:16 |
| dolfun | lrwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 75 Mar 19 02:12 config.sub -> /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/libtool/share/libtool/config.sub | 04:17 |
| neostrider | if this procedure works, everything should be fine for you too | 04:17 |
| dolfun | ok i try | 04:17 |
| neostrider | (the only bug I've detected is if your project name starts with B - my project is called BZK. I had to use a silly "gazoo" name) | 04:18 |
| dolfun | ok question | 04:18 |
| neostrider | sure | 04:18 |
| dolfun | when asked to provide the source code, enter the names of the source files of your application. make sure to provide the exact names and to not forget any file. | 04:18 |
| dolfun | if my application has 1000 source files, i need to type every file? | 04:18 |
| dolfun | or just files in current directory, and the names of the subdirectories that contain the source? | 04:19 |
| neostrider | yeah | 04:20 |
| neostrider | for now...you have to type every single .c or .cpp file | 04:20 |
| neostrider | soon it will be fixed | 04:20 |
| dolfun | ok then i do a find for .c | 04:20 |
| neostrider | this is a very sloppy script | 04:20 |
| neostrider | but im improving it | 04:20 |
| neostrider | yeah | 04:20 |
| dolfun | it is helpful! | 04:20 |
| neostrider | I will do that internally | 04:20 |
| neostrider | the script? | 04:21 |
| neostrider | I hope so | 04:21 |
| neostrider | "im just scratching a personal itch" | 04:21 |
| dolfun | can i send you mail with more detailed feedback when i learn more? | 04:21 |
| neostrider | sure!!! | 04:21 |
| neostrider | please! | 04:21 |
| neostrider | daniel_on_go@yahoo.com.br | 04:22 |
| dolfun | ok | 04:22 |
| neostrider | your feedback is everything I need to improve it | 04:22 |
| dolfun | ok, question 2 | 04:22 |
| dolfun | - when asked about $(B!H(Bproject$(B!G(Bs old name$(B!I(B, inform $(B!H(Btemplate$(B!I(B | 04:22 |
| dolfun | sorry for formatting | 04:22 |
| dolfun | why do i type "template" | 04:23 |
| dolfun | you can make that default, yes? | 04:23 |
| neostrider | I tried | 04:23 |
| neostrider | but when the renaming step starts, it tries to rename mass-modify.sh too | 04:24 |
| neostrider | im thinking of now ways to arrange the files | 04:24 |
| neostrider | it will be needed to allow simple detection of multiple source files | 04:24 |
| neostrider | and for data files too | 04:24 |
| dolfun | ok, then just a little point, change order of asking from NewName / OldName to Oldname / Newname | 04:24 |
| dolfun | to match instructions | 04:24 |
| dolfun | ah ok | 04:25 |
| neostrider | hahhaa | 04:26 |
| neostrider | I will =-) | 04:26 |
| neostrider | I released that version in a hurry | 04:26 |
| neostrider | its working? | 04:26 |
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| dolfun | hm no i have no user in /etc/passwd | 04:30 |
| neostrider | ??? | 04:31 |
| dolfun | ok fixed | 04:32 |
| dolfun | i can not run mass-modify again, correct? | 04:32 |
| neostrider | well, you actually can... | 04:32 |
| dolfun | ok trying | 04:32 |
| neostrider | but I cant guarantee it wont fry your PC | 04:32 |
| dolfun | when entering "source code files" one does not enter 'Makefile' correct? | 04:33 |
| neostrider | yeah | 04:33 |
| neostrider | as Makefile will be a file modified by this step | 04:34 |
| dolfun | ok i found the error with config.sub | 04:35 |
| dolfun | config.sub -> /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/libtool/share/libtool/config.sub | 04:35 |
| dolfun | i have no libtool directory | 04:35 |
| neostrider | what is your SDK? | 04:36 |
| dolfun | ? i called it SDK_ARMEL | 04:37 |
| dolfun | apt-cache policy libtool Installed: 1.5.6-6osso | 04:37 |
| dolfun | i have cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm | 04:37 |
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| neostrider | 2005? | 04:38 |
| neostrider | IT2005?! | 04:38 |
| neostrider | I've tested it with mistral SDK | 04:38 |
| dolfun | that is the toolchain i have | 04:38 |
| dolfun | i have mistral SDK here | 04:38 |
| neostrider | strange | 04:38 |
| dolfun | Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.0 | 04:39 |
| neostrider | and scirocco running on device | 04:39 |
| dolfun | what is in your /scratchbox/compilers/ | 04:39 |
| dolfun | cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 host-gcc | 04:39 |
| neostrider | let me check | 04:39 |
| neostrider | daniel@sandbox:~$ ls /scratchbox/compilers/ | 04:40 |
| neostrider | bin cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 host-gcc | 04:40 |
| neostrider | the same | 04:40 |
| dolfun | what does your config.sub link to? | 04:41 |
| neostrider | how do I check that? | 04:41 |
| dolfun | i mean in the template dir | 04:41 |
| dolfun | ls -al config.sub | 04:41 |
| neostrider | [sbox-SDK_PC: ~/gazoo] > ls -al config.sub | 04:42 |
| neostrider | ls: unrecognized prefix: su | 04:42 |
| neostrider | ls: unparsable value for LS_COLORS environment variable | 04:42 |
| neostrider | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 75 Feb 23 00:09 config.sub -> /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/libtool/share/libtool/config.sub | 04:42 |
| dolfun | i have no libtool directory under cs2006q3.2-glibc-arm. that is why thebuildpackage is breaking | 04:42 |
| neostrider | how did you installed the SDK? | 04:43 |
| dolfun | sb-menu | 04:43 |
| neostrider | (the template is made after bomberman. Klaus Rotter gently allowed me to modify his files and use in MaemoWizard) | 04:44 |
| neostrider | sb-menu? | 04:44 |
| dolfun | yes sb-menu lets you create new targets | 04:44 |
| dolfun | sb-config is outdated (i have scratchbox 1.0.7) | 04:45 |
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| neostrider | ohh | 04:46 |
| neostrider | i have sb 0.98 i guess | 04:46 |
| neostrider | this SDK installation is quite old | 04:46 |
| neostrider | months | 04:47 |
| neostrider | have you installed everything manually? | 04:47 |
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| dolfun | no | 04:48 |
| neostrider | maemo installer? | 04:49 |
| dolfun | i installed scratchbox via apt | 04:50 |
| dolfun | then i added user, then group, then relogged in | 04:50 |
| dolfun | then i added "build targets" for i386 and armel with sb-menu | 04:50 |
| dolfun | i will look at the config.sub problem soon - i need to read about debian packaging | 04:52 |
| dolfun | (away 10 minutes, food) | 04:52 |
| neostrider | when you come back, answer this: have you successfully built any source package floating around the web? | 04:55 |
| dolfun | no jsut .tgz | 04:57 |
| dolfun | my libtool is here | 04:58 |
| dolfun | /usr/share/libtool/config.sub | 04:58 |
| dolfun | /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_ARMEL/usr/share/libtool/config.sub | 04:58 |
| dolfun | ok ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess config.guess // ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub config.sub | 05:01 |
| dolfun | fixed | 05:01 |
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| dolfun | ok so for newer scratchbox neostrider i think you need to change symlinks for: cnofig.sub, config.guess *and* ltmain.sh | 05:08 |
| neostrider | I will try this later...do you have any IM? | 05:09 |
| dolfun | no just irc | 05:10 |
| dolfun | but we can make another channel #maemowizard if you want | 05:10 |
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| neostrider | im there | 05:37 |
| neostrider | dolfun? | 05:37 |
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| dolfun | ok | 05:38 |
| bipolar | this is weird | 05:39 |
| bipolar | apt wont work from inside my target shells in scratchbos | 05:39 |
| bipolar | er... scratchbox | 05:39 |
| bipolar | says it cant resolve hosts... yet I can use wget just fine | 05:39 |
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| bipolar | well, I'll have to look at it tomorrow. gnight all! | 05:41 |
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| neostrider | see ya fellows! | 06:06 |
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| dolfun | bad scratchbox. no biscuit. | 06:20 |
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| dolfun | anybody else using recent scratchbox (1.0.7)? | 06:45 |
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| dolfun | heh, packaging involves more learning than i expected | 09:33 |
| dolfun | and the upstream maintainer is no less than joey hess | 09:34 |
| dolfun | some issues i've run into: 1) required libraries not available for mistral/armel. I have compiled them, but haven't packed them. Do i just cheat and include the libs in my package, or try to package them and submit them to the mistral repo? | 09:37 |
| kulve | I think you should get the proper packages to the repo | 09:38 |
| c0ffee | the latter | 09:41 |
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| dolfun | roger that | 09:46 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:39 |
| keesj | Hi Jaffa | 10:40 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:15 |
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| cosmo__ | anyone tested clawsmail yet? | 11:17 |
| bardax | good morning | 11:17 |
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| dolfun | of all the apps hyped as belonging off local devices and onto a webservice, i think email makes the most sense | 11:23 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 11:27 |
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| cosmo__ | hm, claws does not even start :( | 11:32 |
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| dolfun | A smart programmer could probably implement hq2x scaling on the 770 DSP | 12:10 |
| maddler | morning all... | 12:15 |
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| dolfun | greetings | 12:15 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 12:27 |
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| bedboi | are there mentors that have applied to maemo ? | 12:40 |
| dolfun | what do you mean? | 12:43 |
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| maddler | bedboi: ciao! | 12:57 |
| bedboi | hey maddler | 12:57 |
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| maddler | bedboi: I was considering about applying... | 12:57 |
| bedboi | apply as a mentor or as a student? | 12:57 |
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| maddler | mentor | 12:58 |
| bedboi | if i will apply as a mentor i would like to mentor the "dasher as keyboard" that i have proposed | 12:59 |
| maddler | yep... it's nice... | 12:59 |
| maddler | my doubt is that I'm not a programmer... | 12:59 |
| bedboi | btw i would like first to ask to some nokia guy if there is any internal policy or something | 12:59 |
| maddler | bedboi: internal policy> | 12:59 |
| maddler | ? | 13:00 |
| maddler | as far as I know... nokia won't be involved at all in SoC | 13:01 |
| Zenton | hi all | 13:02 |
| Zenton | is maemo associated to only one device? | 13:02 |
| Zenton | is there plan to port it to other devices? | 13:02 |
| inz | Well, there's 770 and N800, which makes already two ;) | 13:05 |
| Zenton | hehe ;) | 13:06 |
| inz | And nitpicking even more maemo is the sdk, and doesn't actually run on the devices | 13:06 |
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| Zenton | dont wanna start a flamewar, | 13:11 |
| Zenton | I have also reading things about openmoko | 13:11 |
| Zenton | seems an interesting project too | 13:11 |
| Zenton | why should I rather maemo instead? | 13:11 |
| kulve | read the hw specs and decide yourself | 13:12 |
| Zenton | I see | 13:13 |
| kulve | I think they are quite different devices for different uses | 13:13 |
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| Zenton | yeah, that's a good reason | 13:13 |
| Veggen | maemo/N800/770 is *not* a phone. Openmoko is. | 13:14 |
| Veggen | But openmoko isn't a tablet ;) | 13:14 |
| kulve | yep. I think one needs them both ;) | 13:14 |
| inz | But you don't get a guitar pick with N800/770 :( | 13:15 |
| kulve | but openmoko (or the hw) is not 3g? | 13:15 |
| Veggen | no, probably not. | 13:15 |
| Veggen | I think those devices are not so mature, yet. | 13:15 |
| kulve | I think a 3g phone is a must, when I eventually upgrade my 4 year old phone.. | 13:15 |
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| Zenton | thanks for your answers :) | 13:17 |
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| Superbia | damn it's slow installing rails on the n800 :S | 13:26 |
| bedboi | ahah | 13:28 |
| maddler | Zenton: there is a new tablet coming from China... | 13:30 |
| maddler | which is supposed to be using Maemo | 13:30 |
| Superbia | sweet, I got websupport in metasploit ^^ no more tiny console crap | 13:32 |
| Superbia | maddler; I been some info in that machine... seems like a N800 with hdd basiclly ^^ | 13:33 |
| Superbia | seen* | 13:33 |
| cosmo__ | Superbia: do you know why there is no real official information about it? | 13:33 |
| cosmo__ | it's not even known if it is made in cooperation with nokia or is it some kind of weird reverse-engineering or reimplementation | 13:34 |
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| Superbia | cosmo__; as I understood it, it was a reverse-engineered machine but not sure... site was in chinese... :S | 13:35 |
| Superbia | http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2006/09/23/a-true-x86-emulator-for-palm-first-facts-and-pics/ <-- this is kinda funky :) | 13:38 |
| Superbia | wonder when there will be a emu like that for maemo :) | 13:38 |
| cosmo__ | just port dosbox | 13:39 |
| cosmo__ | or qemu | 13:39 |
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| bedboi | i have applied for mentoring @ maemo | 14:03 |
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| cosmo__ | http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/03/19/porient-h9-its-not-maemo/ | 15:18 |
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| * zulla is the guy behind hanno.de and says hi! | 15:27 | |
| zulla | thanks, cosmo. | 15:27 |
| cosmo__ | oh, great ;) | 15:28 |
| cosmo__ | we just talked about H9 earlier today | 15:28 |
| zulla | i joined the channel some 15 minutes ago. | 15:28 |
| zulla | Maybe I can answer some questions about the H9? | 15:29 |
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| * Jaffa wonders if it'd be cynical to ascribe the comments about the H9 not being end-user ready and feeling unpolished and rushed to the N800 as well ;-) | 15:35 | |
| zulla | Jaffa: The n800 is definitely more polished. | 15:36 |
| zulla | Jaffa: both hardware and software-wise. | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | Blimey, the H9's s/w stack must be *really* unstable then. | 15:36 |
| * Jaffa has high hopes that the next few iterations of N800 firmware will dramatically improve the situation (when they appear.) | 15:37 | |
| zulla | It took me a few seconds to crash the H9. | 15:37 |
| zulla | and screen display repaints were incomplete here and there. | 15:37 |
| zulla | but that's not a real test, of course, and I assume that it was a prototype. | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | Whereas on the N800 it takes as long as it takes to type in certain RSS feed addresses ;-) | 15:38 |
| * Jaffa takes your point, just in a facetious mood :) | 15:38 | |
| timeless | jaffa: you must be using the rss reader desktop applet | 15:39 |
| timeless | that's your first mistake :) | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Nah, I read the bug reports and never subscribed to any additional feeds. Then the RSS reader decided to delete the subscriptions to the default feeds too, so I gave up. | 15:39 |
| timeless | heh | 15:40 |
| lle2 | I've never understood how rss feeds would be so hard to handle? | 15:40 |
| timeless | at least it talked you out of using it | 15:40 |
| zulla | as you can see in the photos, the H9 is pretty big. 7 inch screen - it was in the specs, but I didn't realize what it means until I saw the thing. | 15:40 |
| timeless | lle2: please don't tell me you never thought html would be hard to handle :) | 15:40 |
| suihkulokki | lle2: rss feed items contain html | 15:40 |
| timeless | rss = rss, atom, rdf, html all in one | 15:41 |
| timeless | it's a combinatoric problem | 15:41 |
| timeless | or something | 15:41 |
| * Jaffa would prefer the HTML was thrown away rather than passed on to gtkhtml (or similar) and cause segfaults | 15:41 | |
| lle2 | timeless: no, I never thought that, but come on, the device has a more or less functioning browser | 15:41 |
| timeless | lle2: you know the stories of using the browser for mail and help, right? :( | 15:42 |
| timeless | but ignoring that, i blame the UI team :) | 15:42 |
| lle2 | maybe, not sure if there are new stories ;) | 15:42 |
| timeless | no, these are old stories | 15:42 |
| lle2 | ok, well then probably. but I don't care | 15:43 |
| timeless | if there are new stories, you wouldn't hear about them here :) | 15:43 |
| timeless | anyway, people should just use reader.google.com | 15:43 |
| timeless | as you said, the device has a mostly working web browser | 15:43 |
| timeless | or something | 15:43 |
| timeless | just don't try to save a chess file from a web server to your device | 15:43 |
| * timeless grumbles | 15:43 | |
| lle2 | you could just rip off all html and use a terminal + less to display the feeds, would beat the current shit without breaking a newline | 15:44 |
| kkito | someone wants to work with me to integrate some kdeapps to maemo? | 15:44 |
| timeless | man | 15:45 |
| kkito | i use kmail and akregator, it has html support using khtml | 15:45 |
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| timeless | why didn't someone include a ruler when they took pictures of the h9? | 15:45 |
| timeless | oh great | 15:45 |
| timeless | outlook just informed me that i have a meeting 7 weeks overdue | 15:45 |
| lle2 | it's too big? they didn't have anything measure miles with? | 15:45 |
| lle2 | on a related note: my n73 seems to be incapable of receiving phone calls.. | 15:47 |
| kkito | i use amarok to play my music collection... | 15:47 |
| bergie | timeless: here's a quite good size comparison: http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/03/19/porient-h9-its-not-maemo/ | 15:48 |
| suihkulokki | kkito: did you find a way to input? | 15:48 |
| kkito | suihkulokki, i am using xvkbd, but i'll may try to integrate with the maemo vkbd | 15:49 |
| kkito | i implemented an ungly tap and hold for qt apps | 15:50 |
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| kkito | it simulates a right click,... | 15:50 |
| * tzz is annoyed, the N800 is in a reboot loop after running out of memory last night (RSS reader + web browser running) and last backup was a month ago | 15:50 | |
| tzz | last time this happened, I waited until the morning and it worked (maybe the cleanup script worked, if there is such a thing). So I hope I don't have to reflash it tonight. | 15:53 |
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| derf | tzz: Did you put it in R&D mode and kill the watchdogs? | 16:09 |
| dragorn | you can also try flashing just the initfs first and maybe save yourself the hassle of a full flash | 16:11 |
| tzz | derf: no, I will try that tonight, thanks | 16:15 |
| tzz | dragorn: I'll try this too after the watchdogs | 16:15 |
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| melmoth | tu fais des pile de pieds ? | 16:19 |
| melmoth | oups | 16:19 |
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| timeless | sp3000: i need a place to complain about people renaming things | 16:35 |
| bipolar | does anyone know what would caused networking to fail inside of scratchbox? I just installed and am sitting at the scratchbox target prompt. apt-get is failing becouse: Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' | 16:36 |
| timeless | biploar: proxies are the usual fun edge :) | 16:38 |
| melmoth | wrong entry in /etc/resolv.conf or no dns in for host in /etc/nsswitch.conf | 16:38 |
| timeless | sometimes you can have more amusing things like /etc/resolve.conf | 16:38 |
| Tak | don't you have to remove mdns from hosts in /etc/nsswitch.conf as well? | 16:39 |
| * timeless doesn't even know what mdns is :) | 16:39 | |
| bipolar | yes, I looked at /etc/resolv.conf and it had the nameserver set to 127.0.0.1. but changing that to the real nameserver didn't fix it. | 16:39 |
| Tak | nor do I, but I read that you have to remove it ;-) | 16:39 |
| bipolar | melmoth: what could be wrong with nsswitch.conf? | 16:40 |
| bipolar | Tak: there is no mention of mdns in nsswitch.conf | 16:41 |
| bipolar | hosts: files dns | 16:41 |
| melmoth | well, it looks correct | 16:41 |
| Tak | looks ok to me then | 16:41 |
| timeless | strace -f is your friend | 16:41 |
| bipolar | wtf | 16:41 |
| Tak | mine originally had: "hosts: files dns mdns" | 16:42 |
| timeless | attach to the scratchbox shell and try nslookup | 16:42 |
| bipolar | wget http://google.com/index.html works | 16:42 |
| melmoth | may be restarting af-sb-init.sh thingy ? | 16:42 |
| melmoth | ohh, then name resolution works | 16:42 |
| melmoth | may be there is a sort of name caching that remember there was no name for mamoe.repository.... | 16:43 |
| timeless | ouch, someone's attacking me | 16:43 |
| bipolar | well, using wget to download the packages.gz file works too | 16:43 |
| timeless | they better not be spidering me | 16:43 |
| melmoth | bipolar: a typo in your sources.list ? | 16:44 |
| bipolar | melmoth: no, I copied what apt said failed, and used wget to get it. | 16:45 |
| melmoth | i have no clue .... | 16:47 |
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| bipolar | hmmm | 16:49 |
| bipolar | this is weird | 16:49 |
| bipolar | on the host system, there is a file /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf, which is diffrent then whats inside the target shell. it's screwed up | 16:49 |
| bipolar | yep. that fixed it | 16:50 |
| sp3000 | timeless: can you get the name-changers properly hooked on something to make them feel the pain of renames? ;) | 16:53 |
| timeless | i wish | 16:54 |
| timeless | but my scripts have just pulled the second week (almost) after the rename | 16:54 |
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| bipolar | I guess no one has tried to build gnucash yet.... | 16:55 |
| Tak | that sounds like a nightmare | 16:58 |
| Tak | gnucash is what finally drove me away from slackware | 16:58 |
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| timeless | if none of these options | 17:02 |
| timeless | is specified, by SIGTERM. | 17:02 |
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| bipolar | Tak: hehe... but it would be really cool to have it on my handheld :) | 17:10 |
| bipolar | Tak: I've run it remotely and there is plenty of pixels for it | 17:10 |
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| Tak | oh, I'm sure | 17:18 |
| ncharon | anyone know anything about PhoneLink and configuring a .gnokiirc file for a Siemens telephone? | 17:18 |
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| timeless | sp3000: how do i find out who owns a function? | 17:31 |
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| ncharity | Hi | 17:34 |
| ncharity | Hello | 17:36 |
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| bipolar | jeez.... how the heck did I screw up my x86 target | 17:41 |
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| bipolar | if I want to rebuild my X86 target exactly as it was when I installed scratchbox, what else must I do other then extract the x86 rootstrap image? | 18:01 |
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| s-ndh-c | bipolar: maybe select the same devkits and install necessary files to the target after extracting the rootstrap | 18:05 |
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| bipolar | s-ndh-c: the problem is that after extracting the x86 rootstrap, apt is completely confused and wants to remove all the hildon development packages when upgrading. | 18:06 |
| s-ndh-c | sure your apt is setup correctly? | 18:07 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: it's setup as it is in the rootstrap... let me pastebin whats going on... | 18:07 |
| s-ndh-c | i would reset the target to be sure it "clean" | 18:07 |
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| s-ndh-c | and then set it up the way you did before | 18:08 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: I'll try that. here's what it's doing: http://pastebin.ca/401887 | 18:08 |
| jwb | anybody successfully gotten the n800 to grok ogg? | 18:09 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: ok. I reset it, then extracted maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.0_i386.tgz. I get the same problems I put in pastebin | 18:11 |
| bipolar | I know I'm just missing something | 18:11 |
| bipolar | the maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh script set it all up for me | 18:12 |
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| s-ndh-c | bipolar: not sure, never had that problem, but i didnt use that install script | 18:13 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: am I correct that all I should have to do is create the target, then extract the rootstrap to it? | 18:13 |
| s-ndh-c | bipolar: you should select the needed devkits too and install the files for them after extracting the rootsrap | 18:15 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: thats done in sb-menu, right? | 18:16 |
| bipolar | [X] Devkits Install files needed by devkits | 18:17 |
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| bipolar | thats not the actual devkits though.... | 18:17 |
| bipolar | s-ndh-c: the devkits are installed to the host file system, correct? | 18:20 |
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| bipolar | I'm running the script again. I'll backup what it creates as a custom rootstrap | 18:25 |
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| unique311 | qt apps can't be ported to n800? | 18:43 |
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| bipolar | unique311: um... depends what you mean by 'port' | 18:43 |
| bipolar | unique311: you can compile and run just about anything on the n800 | 18:44 |
| unique311 | not sure if it matters..the source is not available anyways.. | 18:44 |
| bipolar | unique311: can't do anything without source code | 18:44 |
| unique311 | a bunch of zuarus paint apps i want on the n800 | 18:44 |
| bipolar | unique311: ahh | 18:44 |
| unique311 | lol | 18:44 |
| bipolar | unique311: QT has been compiled for the n800, but not packaged. | 18:45 |
| bipolar | unique311: there are also integration issues. the onscreen keyboard doesn't work with non-hildon apps | 18:45 |
| inz | someone should implement QT as a wrapper for Gtk ;) | 18:45 |
| bipolar | unique311: someone has even compiled Kde and run it on an n800. | 18:46 |
| unique311 | i saw kde video | 18:46 |
| unique311 | Im just hoping for a descent paint program or sketch... | 18:47 |
| unique311 | only reason i purchased the n800.. | 18:47 |
| unique311 | lol | 18:47 |
| sxpert-work | unique311: then write your own :D | 18:47 |
| * sxpert-work ducks | 18:47 | |
| Tak | inz: I had the ambition to do that a few years ago | 18:48 |
| unique311 | not a developer | 18:48 |
| unique311 | sorry | 18:48 |
| sp3000 | isn't maemopadplus reasonable | 18:48 |
| unique311 | artist.. | 18:48 |
| unique311 | it is.. | 18:48 |
| unique311 | don't get me wrong.. | 18:48 |
| inz | Tak, I've thought of that too, many times, as I just hate qt ;) | 18:48 |
| sp3000 | though it was a bit weird wrt managing pages the last time I looked | 18:48 |
| Tak | ditto | 18:48 |
| unique311 | smudge tool would be nice on it | 18:48 |
| unique311 | blur | 18:48 |
| * bipolar wonders how anyone could hate qt | 18:48 | |
| Tak | I guess I just don't have the motivation, as there's just not that one killer qt app that I can't live without | 18:49 |
| sp3000 | desktop, apply directly to the forehead | 18:49 |
| sp3000 | => instand blur :D | 18:49 |
| sp3000 | instant, even | 18:49 |
| unique311 | a couple of hits for gimp on maemo...but nothing good | 18:49 |
| sxpert-work | unique311: you should ask pippin about it | 18:49 |
| sxpert-work | unique311: I think he has something | 18:49 |
| unique311 | pippin around? | 18:50 |
| roope | pippin had some nice stuff for the 770. not sure if it's ported to n800. | 18:50 |
| roope | pressure sensitive painting, anti-aliased brushes etc. | 18:51 |
| unique311 | nice | 18:51 |
| bipolar | does anyone know off the top of their head how to setup an apt repo in such a way that packages will only be installed if I specifiy that repo? | 18:51 |
| roope | Then again, you couldn't actually use the drawings for anything, since there was no saving or exporting. :) | 18:51 |
| unique311 | horizon | 18:52 |
| roope | which was a bit unfortunate... | 18:52 |
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| zyxulnag1 | bipolar: comment and uncomment the entry in sources.list | 18:52 |
| zyxulnag1 | then run update | 18:53 |
| bipolar | zyxulnag1: heh... the hackish way :) | 18:53 |
| zyxulnag1 | to refresh the pkg list | 18:53 |
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| zyxulnag1 | :> | 18:53 |
| bipolar | I remember using something with apt pinning before, I just can't find it now.... | 18:53 |
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| bipolar | oh well... I'll just use the deb-src and not the deb lines :) | 18:53 |
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| bipolar | kkito: ping | 19:04 |
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| kkito | bipolar, :) pong | 19:09 |
| bipolar | kkito: hey! hows the qt work coming? | 19:10 |
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| bipolar | kkito: that good, eh? | 19:16 |
| bipolar | :) | 19:16 |
| kkito | sorry i am calling | 19:17 |
| bipolar | hehe... no apologies nessisary.. I was just harassing you :) | 19:18 |
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| kkito | http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0847km1.jpg | 19:34 |
| zyxulnag1 | is there a way to get a snapshot of my current nokia installation and then mirror it into another device? | 19:34 |
| zyxulnag1 | like some flash extraction | 19:34 |
| zyxulnag1 | i am runnong on the n800 | 19:34 |
| kkito | http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/8430/img0848be5.jpg | 19:35 |
| kkito | http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7751/img0849zg4.jpg | 19:35 |
| plaes | OMG! | 19:35 |
| kkito | http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3194/img0850yj1.jpg | 19:36 |
| plaes | looks sexy ;) | 19:36 |
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| kkito | http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3541/img0851ul7.jpg | 19:36 |
| roope | A bit on the small side. :) | 19:36 |
| kkito | http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/381/img0852bu3.jpg | 19:37 |
| kkito | http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4355/img0853zp6.jpg | 19:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | kkito: nice pics! =) | 19:38 |
| kkito | http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2152/img0854rj0.jpg | 19:38 |
| mk8 | Hi .... I go out ... bye | 19:39 |
| kkito | http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5033/img0855mp5.jpg | 19:39 |
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| kkito | http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1150/img0856ak6.jpg | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | kkito: can you shrink the font size in the UI easily? | 19:40 |
| kkito | http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/720/img0857mg8.jpg | 19:40 |
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| kkito | http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8086/img0858od6.jpg | 19:40 |
| dragorn | anyone gotten a maemo 2.2 and a maemo 3.0 rootfs to play nice in the same scratchbox install, or would I be wiser to make a new system for the 2.2 | 19:40 |
| kkito | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7769/img0859ez9.jpg | 19:41 |
| kkito | no more images :P | 19:41 |
| kkito | Jaffa, you can configure kde apps with kcontrol, it is full configurable, font sizes, key bindings, etc etc... | 19:41 |
| kkito | and mouse gestures | 19:41 |
| kkito | or stylus gestures :P | 19:42 |
| dragorn | ok, now thats the first good use-case i've heard for mouse gestures in apps | 19:44 |
| dragorn | :) | 19:44 |
| c0ffee | dragorn, there's a short description how to do that on syslog.movial.fi | 19:44 |
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| dragorn | c0ffee: Cool, looking. Happen to remember the headline, looks like it'ps scrolled off the front page by now (or, I'm stupid. Entirely possible, my brain didn't seem to start this morning.) | 19:46 |
| dragorn | The cairo performance post was particularly interesting, however, since I'm about to deal w/ an app which might be moving to cairo | 19:47 |
| tko | kkito, ooh, please post those to the mailing list if you haven't already | 19:48 |
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| c0ffee | dragorn, no, sorry. it's a rather old post | 19:49 |
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| bipolar | kkito: ok... i want. what do I have to do? | 19:50 |
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| kkito | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39898#post39898 i did a post on internettablettalk with the screenshots | 19:51 |
| kkito | bipolar, oh i must to work a lot more on it until i realize something | 19:52 |
| bipolar | kkito: aww..... | 19:52 |
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| timeless | can someone tell me where the *right* git repository is? :( | 19:54 |
| kkito | oh i miss to take some kopete screenshots | 19:55 |
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| tko | timeless, it's right next to the left one I'd expect | 19:58 |
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| [mbm] | kde on a tablet? you people are sick. | 20:32 |
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| Tenkawa | [mbm]: I'd say that with kde on anything | 20:34 |
| Tenkawa | ROFL | 20:34 |
| * Tak agrees | 20:34 | |
| Tenkawa | [mbm]: hey do I know you from another project? | 20:34 |
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| kkito | [mbm], what is the problem? | 20:34 |
| Tenkawa | Anyone know if trying to run scratchbox on a Via C3 would cause an illegal instruction due to some missing cpu features needed for the cross execution? | 20:35 |
| Tenkawa | I get illegal instruction on this box just trying to run sb-menu | 20:35 |
| [mbm] | Tenkawa: openwrt? | 20:35 |
| Tenkawa | although it runs fine on a regular p4 or athlon | 20:35 |
| Tenkawa | [mbm]: yep thats it | 20:35 |
| bipolar | [mbm]: the pictures seem to indicate it's quite useable too :) | 20:35 |
| Tenkawa | I use to own one of the wrt54g channels | 20:35 |
| Tenkawa | I think I transitioned it over to you a long time back | 20:36 |
| bipolar | I would love to try it out, but kkito hasn't realeased any packages yet :) | 20:36 |
| Tenkawa | [mbm]: went by just mbm then right? | 20:36 |
| [mbm] | Tenkawa: it switches depending on what machine I'm connected from | 20:37 |
| Tenkawa | its been at least a year or more | 20:37 |
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| [mbm] | kkito: I just object to taking a desktop interface and trying to shoehorn it into the limited resources of the tablet | 20:37 |
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| [mbm] | it's a neat "hey look at me" thing but I don't think it's practical | 20:38 |
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| Tenkawa | [mbm]: think you;d need more than a shoehorn to get kde useable on that small of a tablet | 20:38 |
| kkito | [mbm], i think that you must to try it before | 20:38 |
| kkito | it runs ok | 20:39 |
| dragorn | anyone know a repo with libusb packages? I suspect I'm stupid, but none of the stuff on repositories.maemo.org/pool/ likes me, and I haven't been able to find anywhere else with. The rootfs SDK has it, but the device doesn't. | 20:39 |
| Tak | hey, one of you guys didn't happen to be at six flags arlington this friday? | 20:39 |
| maddler | nice! I just made SSH VPN working on N800! :D | 20:39 |
| maddler | now... let's write a fancy script to handle it... | 20:40 |
| Tenkawa | noone has any thoughts on the illegal instructions eh? | 20:40 |
| kkito | [mbm], and of course, all the apps that i take a screenshot are usable, with good performance | 20:40 |
| * [mbm] prefers something a little more light weight .. | 20:41 | |
| dragorn | Tenkawa: It's possible, I guess, but qemu is pretty neutral unless you're running kqemu | 20:41 |
| kkito | i am using amarok every day, it is better than he default media player for me | 20:41 |
| * [mbm] wonders when someone will port ion | 20:41 | |
| dragorn | [mbm]: I've been thinking that too | 20:41 |
| Knirch | :) | 20:42 |
| bipolar | kkito: damnit! quit teasing! | 20:42 |
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| [mbm] | I want to keep the cpu as idle as possible to maximize the battery life | 20:43 |
| kkito | [mbm], then get the af-base-apps down :) | 20:44 |
| Tak | dimming the screen all the way and changing my wifi to 10mW has made all the difference for me | 20:45 |
| Tak | cpu is a drop in the bucket compared to those things | 20:45 |
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| [mbm] | Tak: here it's: dim the screen, drop the wifi to 10mW, disable the wifi scanning, set the wifi idle time, hack the device for suspend mode, disable crap like metacrawler | 20:46 |
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| [mbm] | I do find the battery status to be odd and incredibly misleading | 20:48 |
| unique311 | who told me earlier that anything can be compile on the n800 or something similar? | 20:48 |
| [mbm] | I can be at 2/3 bars for the battery and a shutdown/reboot shows it down a bar or at critical | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | well, a reboot uses a lot of cpu power | 20:49 |
| bipolar | unique311: thats would be me :) | 20:49 |
| unique311 | ya... | 20:49 |
| bipolar | unique311: not that it would be useful :P | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | the battery estimator probably gets confused by that as well | 20:49 |
| Tak | I find that stuff like suspend mode and the wifi idle time hack doesn't make any significant difference for me | 20:49 |
| [mbm] | mgedmin: yeah right .. more likely is that the battery status is only calculated at bootup | 20:49 |
| unique311 | so i can pretty much find any app that has the source and compile it on the n800? | 20:49 |
| Tak | no, I think mgedmin's right | 20:49 |
| bipolar | unique311: to put it very simply, yes | 20:49 |
| unique311 | put it very difficult | 20:50 |
| kkito | [mbm], anyways i dont want to replace the maemo desktop ... i want to port some kde apps to maemo, integrating it to the desktop... like kontact, amarok, and koffice | 20:50 |
| bipolar | unique311: the n800 is a computer as much as you're desktop. It simply uses a diffrent CPU achitecture. | 20:50 |
| Tak | I haven't seen any significant disparity between the status indicator and actual battery life | 20:51 |
| bipolar | unique311: so if you have access to the source of a program, and the source for any dependant librarys, you can compile it on the n800 | 20:51 |
| Tak | except that the first (top) segment gets about double the lifespan of the other segments | 20:51 |
| bipolar | unique311: there are limitations | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | I've noticed that too | 20:52 |
| [mbm] | I'd be happy if the battery meter told me "10% battery" not the "6 hours, oh wait, 4 hours .." | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | I usually plug in the charger when I see 3 bars instead of 4 | 20:52 |
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| bipolar | unique311: the default setup on the n800 uses an on screen keyboard which only works with apps designed to use it. | 20:53 |
| [mbm] | can't seem to find the sources for the battery meter or the api it uses, hence no quick fix | 20:53 |
| bipolar | unique311: so input can be an issue. there is also no good way to do a right/middle click with a touchpad | 20:53 |
| bipolar | unique311: but as an example, look at the work kkito has done getting kde on his n800 | 20:54 |
| unique311 | alright. | 20:54 |
| dragorn | http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/n770-wispy.jpg | 20:55 |
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| bipolar | unique311: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39898#post39898 | 20:55 |
| timeless | piloar: err | 20:55 |
| timeless | a touchpad has no problem w/ right click | 20:55 |
| timeless | a touchscreen is different | 20:55 |
| timeless | for a touchpad, you reserve a region (top right corner) | 20:55 |
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| bipolar | timeless: how does that work fo right clicking on an icon, for instance? | 20:56 |
| timeless | bipolar: for a touchpad != touchscreen? | 20:58 |
| Tak | on a touchscreen, you could, say, tap+hold... | 20:58 |
| timeless | as long as your system supports select != activate | 20:58 |
| timeless | basically you get selection to the icon, and then tap the top right corner of the touchpad | 20:58 |
| bipolar | timeless: oh, I said touchpad... I meant touchscreen like the tablet | 20:58 |
| kkito | i implemented right click on qt, using the tap-and-hold | 20:59 |
| kkito | it is not hard | 20:59 |
| timeless | but yes, for touchscreen, you use tap hold | 20:59 |
| bipolar | kkito: right, that required a patch for qt, rgiht? | 20:59 |
| timeless | bipolar: yeah, i figured you did, hence i tried to beat you over the head | 20:59 |
| bipolar | timeless: it's iron.. that won't work :P | 21:00 |
| timeless | but your head just didn't get it :( | 21:00 |
| kkito | bipolar, well i hard hacked into the X11events processor | 21:00 |
| bipolar | kkito: i see | 21:00 |
| bipolar | kkito: what kind of work are you doing in regards to window management? | 21:01 |
| kkito | bipolar, nothing :P i want to integrate kde apps to the actual maemo desktop... i dont want to replace the window manager | 21:01 |
| bipolar | kkito: ahh... ok. | 21:02 |
| bipolar | kkito: I guess that would be the sane way to go, unless you wanted to abandon gtk altogether | 21:02 |
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| unique311 | maemo mediastreamer tutorial | 21:18 |
| Tak | that would work better in google | 21:20 |
| Olof | does anyone know where i can find a libxau package? | 21:20 |
| Olof | (for N800) | 21:20 |
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| Olof | i think i found it | 21:22 |
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| Olof | are there any ogg player for the N800? | 21:44 |
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| sbaturzio | aloha! | 21:51 |
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| Tenkawa | darnit | 22:29 |
| Tenkawa | cant figure this illegal instruction problem out | 22:30 |
| Tenkawa | its gotta be the cpu I'm using | 22:30 |
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| Tak | hello | 23:00 |
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| dolfun | there are still too many variables involved and a lot of things i don't understand yet to get pixeldoubling working | 23:01 |
| dolfun | UQM is a good sight more convoluted in its SDL usage | 23:02 |
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| Tak | http://rafb.net/p/JumMzw80.html | 23:03 |
| dolfun | yes i'm that far | 23:03 |
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| dolfun | can you turn on pixel doubling in an external program, while the sdl program is running? | 23:04 |
| Tak | all I'm doing with fceu is turning on the doubling before it initializes the video | 23:04 |
| dolfun | yep | 23:04 |
| Tak | and turning it off at quit | 23:05 |
| dolfun | ah one moment | 23:05 |
| Tak | I would imagine that you can | 23:05 |
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| dolfun | you do it right after if(SDL_InitSubSystem(SDL_INIT_VIDEO | 23:06 |
| dolfun | looks like sdl is double-buffering? | 23:07 |
| dolfun | ah and then sdl calls GUI_SetVideo(_fullscreen, _xres, _yres); | 23:08 |
| kkito | dolfun, are you trying to do that on the 770 or on the n800? | 23:08 |
| Tak | actually I commented out the doublebuf line | 23:08 |
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| dolfun | 770 | 23:09 |
| kkito | ah ok, because on the n800 there arent such feautre | 23:10 |
| Tak | kkito: supposed to be in the forever-upcoming new os2007 release | 23:10 |
| kkito | Tak, :D oh | 23:10 |
| kkito | then i will release my cps2 emu :P | 23:11 |
| dolfun | Tak when i run the game in non-fullscreen mode, i see doubling on all X things being drawn | 23:11 |
| dolfun | for example in game, whatever is being drawn is doubled, but then goes back to single | 23:11 |
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| Tak | eh, it's not meant to be run in windowed mode | 23:12 |
| dolfun | in maemo whatever is being drawn (like battery charger) is briefly doubled, but then goes back to single | 23:12 |
| kkito | dolfun, because you are doubling the video output of the 770 not only the window | 23:12 |
| dolfun | did you see this behavior when running fceu in non-full-screen mode? | 23:12 |
| Tak | yes, it doubles everything | 23:12 |
| dolfun | in windowed mode? | 23:12 |
| Tak | I *never* run it in windowed mode | 23:12 |
| Tak | for precisely that reason | 23:12 |
| dolfun | right, ok i wanted to be sure that behavior was normal | 23:13 |
| Tak | it happens because the entire display is doubled | 23:13 |
| dolfun | why is doubling not persistent? | 23:13 |
| Tak | persistent across what? | 23:13 |
| dolfun | the stuff drawn in the game window is briefly doubled, then all regions go back to 1x | 23:14 |
| dolfun | if in windowed mode | 23:14 |
| dolfun | is that normal also, or is this game doing something strange | 23:14 |
| Tak | because the desktop loses its mind | 23:14 |
| dolfun | ok so i think my only problem is related to fullscreen mode and total-BSODing | 23:15 |
| Tak | it's crashing? | 23:15 |
| dolfun | depending on options i select for sdl and x11 includes and linking | 23:16 |
| Tak | ah | 23:16 |
| dolfun | pthread, reentrant... | 23:16 |
| sbaturzio | is there an i386 equivalent of MaemoPad+? | 23:17 |
| Tak | can't help you there - I use the options given in debian/rules | 23:17 |
| dolfun | well very nice work with fceu | 23:19 |
| Tak | actually my copy is even nicer | 23:19 |
| Tak | I just haven't found time to clean it up and release | 23:19 |
| dolfun | did you take a look at hatari? | 23:19 |
| Tak | not yet | 23:20 |
| dolfun | ok, i will try it with other sdl programs/demos then | 23:20 |
| dolfun | btw when i dpkg-buildpackaged fceu it ran fine | 23:21 |
| Tak | good | 23:21 |
| dolfun | and i've got the .deb for uqm about 60% done | 23:21 |
| Tak | cool | 23:21 |
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| dolfun | the uqm-content is huge though, with good music hundreds of megs | 23:23 |
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| Tak | yeah | 23:23 |
| dolfun | i am wondering what to do about the uqm-content dependency | 23:25 |
| dolfun | it wants to install to /usr/share/games/uqm | 23:25 |
| dolfun | change the target for uqm-content to /media/mmc1? and host modified uqm-content | 23:26 |
| dolfun | or make uqm core symlink /usr/share/games/uqm to /media/mmc1 | 23:26 |
| Tak | I would change the dependency to a recommendation | 23:27 |
| Tak | and then make it search several different paths, including /usr/share/games/uqm, /media/mmc1/uqm, /media/mmc2/uqm, ... | 23:27 |
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| dolfun | good idea | 23:28 |
| Tak | I suppose, alternatively, uqm-content could ask the user where it should be installed, and symlink that location to /usr/share/games/uqm | 23:28 |
| dolfun | yeah many ways for people can use the shell | 23:29 |
| dolfun | but i don't know what i will do for people who just want to use application installer | 23:29 |
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| Tak | hmm - there's no way to pop up a gui dialog? | 23:29 |
| Tak | doesn't canola do something like that? | 23:29 |
| dolfun | that would be a good option | 23:30 |
| dolfun | thanks i will look at canola | 23:30 |
| Tak | #1 would be my choice, since I'm more used to code hackery than deb hackery, but either way could work... | 23:30 |
| dolfun | can you think of other SDL apps that use doubling? | 23:31 |
| Tak | not offhand - it tends to be pretty transparent | 23:32 |
| Tak | I would guess that most of the sdl games written/ported for the 770 use doubling, but I could be mistaken | 23:32 |
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| dolfun | have you tried enabling doubling in an external program (like the link you pasted) while your main sdl game is running fullscreen? would that work for testing? | 23:32 |
| Tak | I haven't tried | 23:33 |
| dolfun | ok something i'll try | 23:33 |
| dragorn | would it even be an install-level op? Why not just wrap the game engine loader so it has a file browser if you haven't set a data dir? | 23:33 |
| dragorn | (he says, not having looked at the uqm code in ages) | 23:33 |
| Tak | I mainly used that code to reset the display after I broke it (while still getting the doubling right) | 23:33 |
| dolfun | yeah i have an undoubler app, but it won't fix a BSOD'd X | 23:34 |
| dolfun | though BSOD is the wrong name, since i can still run processes | 23:34 |
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| dolfun | dragorn, that's not a bad idea, the user could be prompted to download the uqm content via the .tgz packs instead of the content .deb | 23:34 |
| dragorn | something I wish more apps did, like freeciv | 23:35 |
| dragorn | let you shift off the internal store more | 23:36 |
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| Tak | dolfun: incidentally, you do have/know about xmaeme, right? | 23:37 |
| dolfun | yeah | 23:38 |
| dolfun | haven't looked at xmame yet. | 23:38 |
| Tak | xmaeme = GUI launcher for fceu/xmame/vba/others eventually | 23:38 |
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| Tak | xmame = mame emulator | 23:38 |
| dolfun | mini-sdl demos with broken doubling here http://home.arcor.de/arnim.sauerbier/SDL_Doubling.tgz | 23:39 |
| dolfun | just one .c program... so i'll focus on that right now | 23:39 |
| dolfun | btw doubling doesn't seem to work with xephyr on pc | 23:40 |
| Tak | doesn't surprise me | 23:41 |
| Tak | I gave up trying to do any useful debugging with xephyr | 23:41 |
| timeless | can someone please talk to me about how fonts work in debian? :) | 23:43 |
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| Tak | more specific? | 23:47 |
| timeless | i'm looking at a debian package | 23:47 |
| timeless | ("source") | 23:47 |
| timeless | generally package contents are 0660 or something like that | 23:47 |
| timeless | the package i'm looking at is 0600 | 23:47 |
| timeless | the program i'm using to look at the files isn't the owner | 23:48 |
| timeless | that means that, um... it can't look at the font :( | 23:48 |
| timeless | so the questions are: | 23:48 |
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| kkito | timeless, change the file attributes properties with chown | 23:48 |
| timeless | kkito: it comes from a .deb, afaiu | 23:48 |
| timeless | which means manually changing them is moderately pointless | 23:49 |
| timeless | the question is really, how do fonts get installed | 23:49 |
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| timeless | and what perms are required | 23:49 |
| timeless | and is there any reason for a deb of fonts to be 0600 | 23:49 |
| kkito | i dont understand :? | 23:50 |
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| dolfun | should bt 644 i think | 23:55 |
| dolfun | (wrx) | 23:55 |
| dolfun | kkito: permissions | 23:56 |
| kkito | i dont understand what timeless is trying to do :? | 23:58 |
| dolfun | or maybe 0664 i dunno but not allowing non-root to read a font makes no sense to me either | 23:59 |
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