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maddler | linux4_: why shound it be a problem? (another device with faster CPU) | 00:23 |
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maddler | I mean... there are laptops with more RAM than mine... as well as faster bikes than mine... | 00:23 |
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maddler | and yes... some bread and marmelade is better than some old mouldy bread... | 00:24 |
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linux4_ | O2 and blacBerry Tre is faster CPU 500Mhz | 00:25 |
linux4_ | and n800 is 300Mhz | 00:25 |
linux4_ | and i dont no if i can upgrade wireless chip | 00:26 |
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linux4_ | and add a cell outdoor | 00:26 |
dyncorp | Anybody want to be added as developer to the uqm garage project, /msg me... jku added, Tak? | 00:26 |
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linux4_ | me | 00:28 |
linux4_ | me/msg dyncorp yes i m ready | 00:29 |
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dg | sudo killall vtund | 00:31 |
dg | oops | 00:31 |
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linux4_ | ur quam naster ? uqm ? | 00:34 |
linux4_ | master | 00:34 |
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linux4_ | dyncorp me tell me more | 00:38 |
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maddler | linux4_: I still can't see what's the point... | 00:42 |
maddler | ok... faster devices around... and so? | 00:42 |
linux4_ | best price | 00:42 |
maddler | blackbarry can't run kismet... as well as ssh server... and so on... | 00:42 |
linux4_ | 399 USD | 00:43 |
maddler | you are talking about two completely different devices... | 00:43 |
linux4_ | yes and NSA backdoor | 00:43 |
maddler | a smartphone and N800 | 00:43 |
linux4_ | for the consumer middle class | 00:43 |
maddler | linux4_: really... I can't follow you... | 00:43 |
maddler | I mean... I really can't understand your point... | 00:44 |
maddler | where that NSA backdoor is supposed to be? | 00:44 |
linux4_ | tablet pc O2 have good price and faster CPU Xscale and a keyboard only delet windows and install linux | 00:44 |
linux4_ | i dont no in the chip or software | 00:44 |
maddler | linux4_: sorry again... hard for me to see what you are trying to say... | 00:45 |
maddler | my fault... | 00:45 |
maddler | you were talking about blackberry... then about tablet pc O2 (which I really don't have any idea of what it is)... | 00:46 |
maddler | then NSA backdoors... | 00:46 |
dyncorp | YHBT HAND | 00:46 |
linux4_ | i ask if maemo uprgade comin soon with faster CPU what is planned | 00:46 |
maddler | how can an OS update change CPU clock? | 00:47 |
linux4_ | Linux windows | 00:47 |
maddler | ?! | 00:47 |
maddler | ok... white flag... | 00:47 |
maddler | I can't really understand what you a are trying to say... | 00:47 |
maddler | sorry... I surrender... | 00:48 |
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maddler | nice... just installed Claws Mail... | 00:54 |
maddler | seems to work pretty well... | 00:54 |
linux4_ | mei think that n800 have a too slow cpu bettwen 02 Xda | 00:55 |
linux4_ | maemo can changeCPU clock ? | 00:55 |
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linux4_ | it s pretty simple for me maemo is too slow | 00:56 |
linux4_ | but i have no buy for moment | 00:56 |
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florian | re | 00:58 |
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linux4_ | 320,00 USD in ebay you have more less | 00:58 |
maddler | florian: heya... | 00:59 |
linux4_ | 70 EURO i buy this week and keyboard later | 00:59 |
linux4_ | yes 70EURO i buy maemo n800 | 00:59 |
maddler | florian: how's going? | 00:59 |
florian | maddler: apart from the fact that days are too short i'm pretty fine. | 01:01 |
florian | and that gcc-cross-sdk seems to hate me | 01:02 |
florian | ... and my son who wants to play instead of sleeping | 01:03 |
maddler | hehehe... don't tell that to me! | 01:03 |
maddler | I'd need 240hrs long days... | 01:03 |
maddler | and that _could_ barely be enough for my basic tasks! | 01:03 |
linux4_ | a maemo apps list ? | 01:04 |
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florian | and where is my spare harddisk?! | 01:05 |
linux4_ | googleearth ? | 01:05 |
linux4_ | in maemo | 01:05 |
kulve | linux4_: go googling | 01:05 |
linux4_ | how space disk ? | 01:05 |
Pzain | question: i'm trying to create a psuedo 'kiosk mode' for my maemo app. I plan to code in python for now. I want to disable the home/back key etc in my app to lock it in full screen. Do you think if I poll for the home/back keys and override them to do nothing it will work? | 01:06 |
linux4_ | yes sure | 01:07 |
Pzain | once the app is started, i dont want users to have access to the web browser..application menu etc | 01:07 |
Pzain | really? i hope so. thanks. | 01:07 |
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kulve | linux4_: are you a bot? | 01:07 |
linux4_ | no | 01:08 |
linux4_ | why create a kiosk | 01:08 |
linux4_ | a cell wifi out is possible to maemo? | 01:09 |
Pzain | for commercial use...if i want use n800 at my business for my customers...but i don't want them to surf the web or access basic os features | 01:09 |
kulve | Pzain: I think the home key behaviour is implemented below gtk. So you migth have problems blocking it | 01:10 |
linux4_ | waht your compagny ? | 01:10 |
Pzain | gaming company | 01:10 |
linux4_ | a java games ? | 01:10 |
Pzain | kulve: that's what i suspected... :( | 01:10 |
Pzain | i wish | 01:10 |
Pzain | java support is no good for maemo | 01:10 |
Pzain | will have to learn python or mono | 01:11 |
Pzain | i can't code games in plain old C | 01:11 |
linux4_ | a maemo sdl games buycommercialaudiance | 01:11 |
Pzain | huh? | 01:11 |
linux4_ | ok | 01:11 |
kerwood | okay, so chapter 2 in the sad story of my N800 refusing to connect over BT through my Nextel iDEN cellphone: | 01:11 |
kerwood | I installed and started sysklogd, attempted my connection through the cell phone, then examined the logfile. | 01:11 |
kerwood | Imagine my surprise to discover that the N800 was sending AT commands to my cellphone which weren't mentioned anywhere in the maemo documentation! | 01:11 |
kerwood | So now I'm looking for suggestions on where to look for the mystery script which sends these unwanted and unnecessary AT commands -- any ideas, y'all? | 01:11 |
linux4_ | what the best coding game in n800 or in PC emulator maemo | 01:12 |
linux4_ | plateform | 01:13 |
linux4_ | hummsendAT via BT ? | 01:13 |
Pzain | asking me? i dont fully understand your question, but based on my research python seems the best choice for game development on maemo | 01:13 |
linux4_ | i understand | 01:13 |
Pzain | for non-intensive games that is...not doom etc...more like card games | 01:14 |
dyncorp | somebody is doing wxpython | 01:14 |
Pzain | yes..i saw that in the forums..it seems promising | 01:15 |
Pzain | i make java phone games and flash/laszlo games now...i wish maemo had java support | 01:15 |
dyncorp | i saw a java vm+ | 01:18 |
linux4_ | IDEN is wireless network ? | 01:18 |
dyncorp | have you tried flash games in opera? i find them pretty slow | 01:19 |
Pzain | flash games...not working very well..super slow | 01:20 |
Pzain | on n800 | 01:20 |
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dyncorp | well that makes sense, since high level apis and programming that ignores performance ~gets what it deserves~ imo | 01:20 |
kerwood | linux4_: iDEN is a cellular network in the US (CDMA) | 01:21 |
linux4_ | Nextel developer KIT at 800USD | 01:21 |
kerwood | linux4_: ??? | 01:21 |
linux4_ | n800 dont have CDMA/IDEN, what smartphone handhelds choose ? buy two device | 01:22 |
kerwood | *sigh* | 01:23 |
linux4_ | i have a SIP number | 01:23 |
dyncorp | can i change my mistral repos on the 770 to gregale and start updating packages? | 01:24 |
linux4_ | but how have a permantly wireless wire | 01:24 |
dyncorp | my scratchbox environment is gregale, and my 770 is mistral (latest OS2006 image) | 01:24 |
linux4_ | nextel store ? | 01:29 |
linux4_ | only motorola and blackberry no nokia no sagem samsung phone | 01:30 |
dyncorp | if i want to compile something that people can use, i'd want to compile for OS2006, as released on most of the 770 tablets sold | 01:30 |
dyncorp | ./uqm-debug | 01:33 |
dyncorp | sh: ./uqm-debug: Permission denied | 01:33 |
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dyncorp | -rwxr-xr-x 1 user root 3432274 Mar 16 09:07 uqm-debug | 01:33 |
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dyncorp | ah noexec in fstab | 01:36 |
dyncorp | 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected | 01:38 |
florian | wrong architecture binary | 01:39 |
dyncorp | ok, still learning the SDK_ARMEL stuff | 01:40 |
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kerwood | it would seem that /usr/bin/gwhwdetect is emitting these rogue AT commands to my Nextel cellphone | 02:08 |
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dyncorp | are you sure they're causing problems? | 02:09 |
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kerwood | dyncorp: The phone is responding to one of them with "ERROR", making the connection fail. None of them are necessary, so they shouldn't be emitted in the first place. | 02:12 |
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dyncorp | maybe there's a way to set up a custom profile for it | 02:14 |
kerwood | all reasonable suggestions are welcome | 02:15 |
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dyncorp | n800 has FM stereo? http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/02/07/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-chips-revealed/ | 02:37 |
Tenkawa | yep | 02:37 |
shackan | yes | 02:37 |
Tenkawa | horrible antenna though | 02:38 |
dyncorp | bad FM reception is common for devices with computers (iriver, archos mp3/receivers included) | 02:38 |
Tenkawa | yeah | 02:39 |
dyncorp | UQM needs libmikmod. If/when i manage to build libmikmod, should i submit the .deb somewhere? | 02:41 |
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maddler | FM reception is good enough for me... | 02:48 |
unique311 | same | 02:49 |
unique311 | don't do radio so it doesn't matter in the long run | 02:49 |
unique311 | internet radio is far better....no commercials... | 02:49 |
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bipolar | Tenkawa: about the n800 antenna, you know that it doesn't have an internal one, right? | 03:11 |
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unique311 | http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/maemowizard-02c-03-pre-release/ | 03:52 |
unique311 | is that trust worthy? | 03:52 |
unique311 | too good to be true... | 03:52 |
unique311 | and am i understanding it correctly...can i take any linux app and turn them into meamo apps? | 03:53 |
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dyncorp | This script takes a SDL application and makes it ready for debian packaging system, allowing fast ports and fast prototyping. The packages, indeed, are ready to run on the device. | 04:50 |
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dyncorp | what's amazing is how easy maemo makes it to port apps to 770/800 | 07:03 |
dyncorp | and how few humans can do it | 07:03 |
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makuchaku | Afternoon guys :) | 09:54 |
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AD-N770 | good morning | 10:29 |
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jpa- | wc | 11:15 |
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sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:53 |
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keesj | Hi koen|recife_ | 12:38 |
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Superbia | who was it that was trying the debian armel build here more then me? :) | 13:27 |
disq | me | 13:32 |
disq | though i'm not using it very much | 13:32 |
disq | it's just there on the extra mmc | 13:32 |
Superbia | ahh know if it's possible to boot it? | 13:33 |
Superbia | I would like to try it atleast as main not having to chroot or vnc to it | 13:33 |
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disq | hmm | 13:35 |
disq | but the point is to use it from vnc so that you can use the thumbkb | 13:35 |
Superbia | isn't it possible to get a linux onscreen keyboard working? | 13:40 |
Superbia | as there is many ppl running linux on fullsize tablet I don't see how this could be that much diffrent | 13:42 |
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kulve | if you would be running debian armel stuff, maybe you could try the matchbox keyboard? | 13:59 |
keesj | matchbox keyboard? | 14:00 |
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kulve | http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/ | 14:07 |
kulve | it's x keyboard, not gtk as the hildon keyboard is. | 14:07 |
Superbia | worth looking into | 14:10 |
kulve | I think e.g. familiar has it. | 14:11 |
kulve | s,has,uses, | 14:11 |
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makuchaku | s-ndh-c: finally... check out http://www.makuchaku.info/blog/dual-booting-your-n800-a-few-tips & do leave your suggestions/comments if any :) | 15:16 |
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kulve | kender: nice to know.. | 16:06 |
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makuchaku | one dumb question - how to exit mc (midnight commander) on N800 without killing it... | 16:14 |
dyncorp_ | not a dumb question, an app-specific question | 16:19 |
Superbia | hmm seems like matchbox-keyboard is in the debian armel build so it is atleast easy to get... now just to figure out how to run a second x server and change display to it instead of standard | 16:20 |
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zuh | Superbia: You could just bind-mount /tmp to /<armel-root>/tmp and export DISPLAY=:0 | 16:24 |
zuh | That's how I ran gimp etc there. If the maemo-UI is in the way, you can always shut it down with the initscripts... ;) | 16:24 |
Superbia | ohh intresting :) | 16:34 |
Superbia | guess google as a guide for dual x servers and such :) | 16:34 |
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gerrynjr | kick ass work on the n800 and the distribution on it | 17:26 |
Superbia | kick ass? | 17:29 |
gerrynjr | ok, superb | 17:31 |
Superbia | I think I missed something :D | 17:31 |
gerrynjr | The distro is quite impressive for a handheld device | 17:32 |
gerrynjr | I owned a zaurus sl-5500 prior to this, and the n800 is much better | 17:32 |
gerrynjr | if only it had a thumb-board 8-) | 17:32 |
gerrynjr | but i can get by w/o one 8-) | 17:32 |
Superbia | ahh okay then I'm with you... yes it's nice but I do miss a few things... :S | 17:32 |
Superbia | I would love to have another window manager on it etc | 17:33 |
gerrynjr | Superbia: must be a language difference or something... "kick ass" here usually means "good work" "impressive" etc | 17:33 |
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unice | hi all | 17:34 |
Superbia | might just be me thats a little wuusie too... I'm trying to get debian armel working so I can get another wm running | 17:34 |
Superbia | Hi | 17:34 |
gerrynjr | I'm going to use mine as a telepresence device | 17:35 |
gerrynjr | ie.. I have a mobile robotic platform w/ a camera and an LCD | 17:35 |
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gerrynjr | app runs on the n800 w/ a viewport for the camera, and four buttons | 17:35 |
gerrynjr | forward, backward, left, right | 17:35 |
gerrynjr | and the camera from the n800 gets sent to the screen on the robot | 17:35 |
gerrynjr | so people can see your face | 17:35 |
gerrynjr | and the user can see what the robot sees | 17:36 |
Superbia | ahh hehe sounds intresting | 17:36 |
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kkpaul | hey guys | 18:11 |
glas55 | heys | 18:12 |
kkpaul | I need to install the libSM.so.6 library. I tried (as root) apt-get install libsm6 but it refuses to install it | 18:12 |
kulve | error msg would be useful.. | 18:13 |
kkpaul | sorry. forgot about that. one moment | 18:13 |
kulve | one my n800 it's already installed | 18:13 |
kkpaul | not on the 770 | 18:13 |
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kkpaul | e: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpgk/lock - open | 18:14 |
kulve | you have application manager running at the same time? | 18:14 |
kkpaul | (100 recources temporarily unavailable) | 18:14 |
kulve | that sounds odd | 18:14 |
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kkpaul | yeah, I closed it now I got another error: couldn´t find libsm6 package | 18:15 |
kkpaul | the other error was due to the app manager still open | 18:15 |
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kkpaul | thats why I try to get that library https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=891&forum_id=861 | 18:17 |
kkpaul | it works now. thanks anyway | 18:20 |
Superbia | zuh; what x-server did you use to get it working? | 18:27 |
kkpaul | osso x-term | 18:29 |
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kkpaul | with the becomeroot package because I´m a noob :) | 18:29 |
kkpaul | the programm doesn´t work anyway. I think there are other dependencies | 18:30 |
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zuh | Superbia: I had the maemo rootfs running and just shut down the /etc/init.d/af-base-apps + sapwood and matchbox, bind-mounted tmp to the armel rootfs, chrooted there and exported DISPLAY=:0 so I could use the Xomap that was already running | 18:33 |
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Superbia | ahh okay... you didn't need any xauth or so... just export | 18:34 |
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Superbia | maybe should have a ? too ^^ | 18:35 |
zuh | IIRC not, but I'll try again... | 18:36 |
Superbia | okay... just checking becouse I can't seem to get xauth on the armel build and all guides google gave me used it :) | 18:37 |
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zuh | I guess the maemo env already allows local connections or something... or keeps the auth info in tmp :) | 18:38 |
Superbia | great :D | 18:40 |
Superbia | zuh: think it would be possible to kill WM via ssh connection too and run a diffrent? enlightment seems to work nicely | 18:48 |
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Superbia | hmm what I kill sapwood it reboots... that doesn't seem right | 18:50 |
Superbia | might I need to run in R&D mode or something? | 18:50 |
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zuh | Don't kill them | 19:00 |
zuh | That will only make them mad | 19:00 |
zuh | ;) | 19:00 |
zuh | use "source /etc/osso-af-init/<prog>.sh stop" | 19:01 |
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zuh | You might need to source the approperiate .defs file too | 19:01 |
zuh | But not sure if it is always necessary... | 19:02 |
Superbia | hehe okay | 19:06 |
sri | howdy | 19:09 |
zuh | Not the most flying app in the world, and I bet big images would be painful, but somehow this is just cool: http://iki.fi/zuh/gimp-on-n800.png | 19:11 |
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Superbia | sweet :D gimp? :D | 19:17 |
zuh | And it's surprisingly fast even! :) | 19:17 |
Superbia | hehe :D | 19:17 |
dragorn | heh | 19:17 |
Superbia | I wish I could get it to run enlightenment instead of what ever WM it uses now... think that would make things alot faster | 19:18 |
zuh | I doubt it, matchbox is pretty lightweight | 19:18 |
Superbia | but I need to get it to boot armel build nativly and not chrooted and then install a working xserver | 19:18 |
Superbia | well Wmaker was alot faster then the standard when I tried that... was just missing a working onscreen keyboard... but matchbox-keyboard seems to fix that :D | 19:19 |
zuh | I guess if you don't care for the osso-connectivity or multimedia or such, it will be quick like a fox. | 19:21 |
zuh | Not sure how easy it is to set networking etc up without them though... | 19:21 |
dragorn | iwconfig and ifconfig still work, but you won't get (afaik) the network scanning | 19:22 |
dragorn | and you won't be able to set wpa config w/out knowing their ioctls since it doesn't use wpa_supplicant, the wpa assist is in the drivers | 19:22 |
Superbia | that are things that can be fixed... I mean armel build is just like debian... and I gotten most things I need working in debian... it seems like the pool got all I need :) | 19:24 |
Superbia | I mostly want to to try and see if I can get it working now :D | 19:25 |
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zuh | You still need some of the binary stuff to get an operational device, but I guess it should be doable... | 19:33 |
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Superbia | yeah... I guess so too... reason I want to get a armel debian running is that I have scripts etc I use with my laptop that would be nice to use with n800 now... but as obexftp etc isn' | 19:45 |
Superbia | t availible atm it gets hard :P | 19:46 |
tigert | we built enlightenment dr17 on n800 :) | 19:48 |
tigert | it was cute | 19:48 |
tigert | disabling shadows it wasnt even that slow | 19:48 |
tigert | of course the ui doesnt make much sense on a handheld touchscreen device | 19:49 |
Superbia | my want :D | 19:49 |
tigert | just as much vanilla windows does on those umpc's | 19:49 |
Superbia | haha | 19:49 |
tigert | ja sit ku yhdistät jonkun kytkimen päälle ni sen numero tulee siihen listaansure it was pretty but everything was so tiny =) | 19:50 |
tigert | whoops. where did that come from? | 19:50 |
Superbia | I really don't know what best os for a handheld would be... but I don't want hildon thats for sure :P | 19:50 |
tigert | disregard the finnish, wrote it on another channel but somehow it ended up here too in irssi | 19:50 |
Superbia | haha | 19:51 |
tigert | i think hildon isnt too bad. it depends a lot on the apps | 19:51 |
tigert | the input methods are the most critical | 19:51 |
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tigert | they need to be powerful enough to make the device useful | 19:52 |
Superbia | well lets say it like this... it's in the way... an onscreen keyboard that I could call with hardware button and a normal desktop and I would be happy | 19:52 |
tigert | this serves my needs nicely - xterm + web + maemomapper and hackability since its linux. need to learn python i think. | 19:53 |
sri | hi tigert :) | 19:53 |
tigert | i dont think movable windows make sense in a handheld for example | 19:53 |
tigert | hi sri | 19:53 |
makuchaku | Hi, anyone tried installing new fonts on N800? | 19:54 |
tigert | maku, just dump them to /home/user/.fonts | 19:54 |
Superbia | tigert; no, I agree movable windows is not really that needed... but for example halfscreen would be nice... 2 xterms etc... | 19:55 |
makuchaku | tigert: not /usr/share/fonts ? | 19:55 |
tigert | should work fine. | 19:55 |
Superbia | btw where I do get a working gps module for the n800? I can't find one anywere... :S | 19:55 |
tigert | well. there too if you want | 19:55 |
tigert | superbia, you rather want a splitscreen term app then | 19:56 |
tigert | a bluetooth gps should work. i have the nokia one, but any bt should work. | 19:56 |
makuchaku | tigert: does it requires a restart? I ran fc-cache after copying the new font to /usr/share/fonts but nothing changed... | 19:56 |
Superbia | ohh okay, I'm trying to get the one they have on nokias page with 1gb sdcard and euro maps.. but it's impossible to get... | 19:57 |
makuchaku | tigert: let me try the .fonts dir. | 19:57 |
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tigert | you probably need to reboot | 20:01 |
tigert | to see them | 20:01 |
tigert | and if they have long names, Notes' toolbar icons will not fit anymore | 20:02 |
tigert | but it should work fine otherwise | 20:04 |
guerby | hmm, where is the battery level in /sys? | 20:06 |
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kerwood | Well, instead of whingeing about the N800/Nextel problem, I submitted a bug report. | 20:16 |
kerwood | I hope they appreciate syslog dumps. =:O | 20:16 |
tigert | yes, they help | 20:19 |
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gerrynjr | n800 works great with my ppc6700 using a vision connection | 20:29 |
gerrynjr | sort of redundant, considering the 6700 runs windows mobile | 20:29 |
gerrynjr | but it works via bluetooth | 20:29 |
gerrynjr | is a reflash really needed to setup usb host mode? | 20:31 |
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dragorn | there is no host mode on the n800 | 20:33 |
gerrynjr | seriously? | 20:33 |
dragorn | yup | 20:33 |
dragorn | look at the roadmap/wishlist | 20:33 |
gerrynjr | I wonder why they did that... | 20:33 |
dragorn | lots of things feel slightly rushed on the n800 | 20:35 |
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tigert | was there host mode on 770? | 20:55 |
tigert | because on flasher you can set some stuff | 20:55 |
tigert | --enable-usb-host-mode Set the device into USB host mode | 20:55 |
tigert | --disable-usb-host-mode Set the device into USB peripheral mode | 20:55 |
tigert | its not just official user feature afaik | 20:55 |
tigert | and you need to supply power via a powered hub | 20:56 |
kulve | 770 had the usb host mode, yes. | 20:56 |
Superbia | if you have maemo mapper you don't need to buy maps? or do you still need to buy maps to get accurate maps? | 20:58 |
neal | google maps are not vector maps | 20:59 |
neal | so you cannot do route calculation | 20:59 |
Superbia | ahh okay... | 20:59 |
Superbia | so I still need to get my maps from somewhere... | 21:00 |
sxpert | you can get free vector maps from openstreetmap. depending on the area you're in you may be in luck (or may have to start participating :D) | 21:01 |
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Superbia | ahh hmm so maybe work getting a bluetooth gps and just download maps online instead of buying them from nokia :P | 21:03 |
Superbia | worth* | 21:03 |
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Kiki-n800 | Hello. please give me a recommendation for a linux distribution , that allows me an easy installation of the sdk. | 22:19 |
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kerwood | Kiki-n800: I am not a developer (yet), and although I had little problem installing maemo 3.0 on my OpenSuSE 10.2 system, I got the impression that a Debian distro would be the best platform | 22:24 |
Kiki-n800 | thanks a lot. i ´ll try it. | 22:27 |
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maddler | Kiki-n800: Debian Linux should be ok | 22:43 |
maddler | Kiki-n800: if you are new to Linux you should also give a try to Ubuntu Linux | 22:43 |
maddler | Kiki-n800: I hadn't any problem installing the sdk | 22:44 |
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kulve | Kiki-n800: there's (afaik) a vmware image with the sdk. You can run that on windows, if you like. | 22:47 |
Kiki-n800 | this would be perfect to have. i ´m trying to ffind it. | 22:52 |
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kulve | Kiki-n800: maybe this one: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 23:14 |
kulve | I haven't tried it, so I can't tell anything else about though.. | 23:14 |
Kiki-n800 | thx again. i´m already loading it via bittorrent. you saved me a lot of hours :-) | 23:15 |
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Yamazaki-kun | Nice.. when did that come out? | 23:26 |
Yamazaki-kun | hm. | 23:27 |
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Kiki-n8 | 1-20-2007 says the torrent link. loking at the not so small installation guide, i´m most happy that it is available. | 23:40 |
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