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| bjv | anyone manage to hack around mplayer volume starting at 49%? | 00:01 |
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| kkpaul | good evening guys | 00:24 |
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| kkpaul | any experts in electronics here? | 00:24 |
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| dyncorp | i know ohm's law | 00:31 |
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| Sulis | dyncorp: you simply *must* be an expert then! | 00:32 |
| kkpaul | hehe, right | 00:34 |
| kkpaul | my question is as follows | 00:34 |
| kkpaul | when I charge my 770 with the original charger, the amp-meter kind of "bounces" from 0 to about 900mA when charging | 00:35 |
| kkpaul | this does not happen when I charge it with a 5V constant power source of course | 00:35 |
| kkpaul | now my simple question is: will it destroy the battery if it is charged with a constant voltage and current | 00:36 |
| dyncorp | i had to disassemble my 770 power adapter (the wallwart) and it looked like a regular solid state switching transformer, i.e. no special intelligence to shut off charging | 00:38 |
| kkpaul | but why does it not show the "pulsing" when not using the orig. charger then | 00:39 |
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| kkpaul | hm. maybe I should try an oscilloscope to find out more? | 00:40 |
| dyncorp | you mean the 5v constant source | 00:40 |
| kkpaul | yes. | 00:40 |
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| kkpaul | a simple 7805 low drop voltage regulator with protection diodes and a current limiting resistor | 00:41 |
| kkpaul | which limits the current to 900mA MAX | 00:41 |
| dyncorp | maybe you know something i don't about potential dangers. i wouldn't have any qualms about hooking up 5v dc though. | 00:43 |
| dyncorp | i do think that whatever logic controls battery charging is within the 770 though | 00:43 |
| kkpaul | thats right I guess | 00:44 |
| kkpaul | just don´t wanna destroy my device. I like it, you knww :) | 00:44 |
| kkpaul | got it for free anyway hehe | 00:44 |
| dyncorp | wow, how? | 00:45 |
| kkpaul | got it via a contract extension (mobile phone contract) | 00:45 |
| kkpaul | I was allowed to choose: a new styl0r phone which I don´t need (my Siemens s65 still works flawessly!) or a N770 | 00:46 |
| dyncorp | nice contract | 00:46 |
| kkpaul | thought that too | 00:47 |
| kkpaul | thought about selling it though.... but after all I think the N770 looks cooler than the N800 | 00:48 |
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| dyncorp | i'm bummed out that the 800 has such different hardware, meaning low-level optimizations for some of the cpu-bound apps on the 770 will probably not happen now | 00:52 |
| kkpaul | hehe. when I can extend my contract again in 2008 I can get the N800 for free. now its int the shop for 1005? | 00:53 |
| kkpaul | 1005 | 00:53 |
| kkpaul | 105 damn | 00:53 |
| dyncorp | 770 OMAP 1710 schematic | 00:55 |
| dyncorp | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11991&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_1710 | 00:55 |
| kkpaul | right. kinda too cryptic for me :) | 00:57 |
| kkpaul | if thats the right word or even spelling of it | 00:57 |
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| kkpaul | http://www.mared.com/nokia_770_in_car/ something like this | 01:05 |
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| dyncorp | very nice link kkpaul | 01:19 |
| kkpaul | found another one but cant remember the url | 01:20 |
| kkpaul | http://www.linuxslate.org/N770DockingStation.html ther it is | 01:20 |
| kkpaul | good night. | 01:23 |
| dyncorp | cu | 01:23 |
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| unique311 | whats up maemo'ers | 02:29 |
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| dyncorp | anybody interested in getting updates on uqm development? | 03:22 |
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| LinuxApe | anyone know when there will b gaim for OS2007? | 03:36 |
| chibiAcyd | there already is | 03:37 |
| chibiAcyd | add the maemo-hackers repo | 03:37 |
| chibiAcyd | might have to add it for mistral | 03:37 |
| LinuxApe | I have the maemo hackers repo,but the only gaim I see is fot the 770 | 03:42 |
| chibiAcyd | yeah, that one works on the n800 as well | 03:51 |
| unique311 | yesitdoes | 03:52 |
| LinuxApe | I'll try it out. Thanks. | 03:52 |
| LinuxApe | I get unable to install, incompatible software. | 03:56 |
| unique311 | check the details | 03:57 |
| unique311 | dependencies maybe | 03:57 |
| unique311 | LinuxApe, http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/02/installing_gaim_1.html | 03:59 |
| unique311 | show's how to | 03:59 |
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| dyncorp | sb_gcc_wrapper (gcc): No proper compiler configurations found | 06:20 |
| dyncorp | ?? | 06:20 |
| dyncorp | ah /me sets up a target with sbox-menu | 06:21 |
| * dyncorp frolics | 06:24 | |
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| * dyncorp tries to find a libvorbisidec tgz to install into scratchbox | 07:25 | |
| dyncorp | aha | 07:26 |
| dyncorp | http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html | 07:26 |
| kulve | I'm going to (try to) set up a apt repo for extra ogg libs/plugins during the weekend | 07:26 |
| kulve | (for n800) | 07:27 |
| dyncorp | mhm... | 07:29 |
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| dyncorp | ah that was simple: svn co http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/Tremor && cd Tremor && ./autogen.sh && make | 07:45 |
| dyncorp | Error: Could not copy default key config to user config dir: No such file or directory. | 07:48 |
| dyncorp | ./uqm-debug --sound=none | 07:50 |
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| dyncorp | ah content is missing | 07:54 |
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| dyncorp | \o/ Uqm running in scratchbox! WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO | 08:50 |
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| dyncorp | ok i can't find an answer to this... how do i install a required .deb package when i'm within my sbox-SBOX_PC environment? | 10:12 |
| lle2 | fakeroot dpkg -i thepackage.deb? | 10:12 |
| dyncorp | hm | 10:13 |
| dyncorp | ty | 10:13 |
| Knirch | fakeroot would be of little use there | 10:14 |
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| dyncorp | i need libmikmod2-dev in there | 10:14 |
| kulve | Knirch: depends on the package | 10:14 |
| kulve | easier to use it alwasy | 10:14 |
| Knirch | kulve: uhm | 10:14 |
| kulve | always | 10:14 |
| Knirch | kulve: no | 10:14 |
| Knirch | kulve: then you have no understanding of what fakeroot does :) | 10:15 |
| kulve | some packages want to change ownership etc of the files and their postinst will fail without fakeroot | 10:15 |
| Knirch | ok, so you DO know what it does.. | 10:15 |
| Knirch | must be me who is a retard when it comes to scratchbox then | 10:16 |
| Knirch | it sounds utterly weird in my head to install a package and not have the permissions to change ownership | 10:16 |
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| inz | Some older versions of the debian devkit required to use fakeroot always, iirc | 10:16 |
| lle2 | Knirch: you're not interested in the ownerships when installing target stuff inside sb | 10:17 |
| Knirch | inz: fakeroot is a vital tool when creating packages aye | 10:17 |
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| inz | Knirch, I meant when installing packages | 10:17 |
| inz | Knirch, dpkg had a built-in check for root privs | 10:17 |
| Knirch | inz: and that does just not compute for me | 10:17 |
| Knirch | :) | 10:18 |
| Knirch | but then again, I haven't had any spare time in over a year, so never got around to play with scratchbox and whatnot, I only use fakeroot and friends at work | 10:19 |
| lle2 | yeah, it can be hard to form an opinion about something you've no idea about. | 10:19 |
| Knirch | it's not about opinions | 10:20 |
| zuh | Knirch: You can't change something to be owned by someone else as a normal user, and fakeroot doesn't change who you really are (it only makes it look like that for the program) | 10:20 |
| Knirch | zuh: I know that, I _know_ fakeroot and what it does and why it does it :) | 10:20 |
| * dyncorp has newest release Ur-Quan Masters 0.6.2 running in scratchbox! | 10:33 | |
| * dyncorp frolics | 10:33 | |
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| jku_ | dyncorp, that's great | 10:45 |
| dyncorp | it's only thanks to the uqm devs who made such portable code | 10:46 |
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| dyncorp | i mean, everything but sound works out of the box, with one line of code changed | 10:46 |
| jku_ | I was impressed about that too -- I was expecting something horrible after I saw the build system... | 10:48 |
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| dyncorp | have you cross-compiled yet? | 10:48 |
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| jku_ | I was referring to my earlier work (0.5.0 packaging) | 10:50 |
| dyncorp | oh it's jussi, hi! and thanks for the help | 10:50 |
| jku_ | not sure if you missed it when I said I'm the same guy as jhkukkon@cc.hut.fi | 10:50 |
| jku_ | :) | 10:51 |
| dyncorp | what do you think about a garage project page for uqm? | 10:52 |
| jku_ | definitely a good idea. My login is jku, feel free to add me to the project (not promising much participation, but...)) | 10:54 |
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| dyncorp | it is pending approval. i hope that a page will make it easier for others to contribute | 10:55 |
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| dyncorp | building the 2.2 armel rootstrap/target.... | 10:58 |
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| dyncorp | jku_: if you're still here, did you use qemu to emulate the arm processor, or the nokia 770 via sbrsh? | 11:08 |
| dyncorp | i need to setup SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD. | 11:09 |
| * dyncorp reads http://scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/tutorial.html | 11:15 | |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:21 |
| dyncorp | hi | 11:21 |
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| dyncorp | i've currently activated sbox-SDK_ARMEL but i can't install deb packages for qemu in it | 11:23 |
| dyncorp | i will try switching to sbox_PC and install | 11:24 |
| dyncorp | qemu depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6); however: | 11:25 |
| dyncorp | Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.5cs2005q3.2-4.osso10 | 11:25 |
| dyncorp | i don't really get it yet, i thought cross compiling didn't require a running target cpu | 11:30 |
| ptman | in the best case it doesn't, but some software packages need cpu-transparency | 11:35 |
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| lle2 | dyncorp: you're only supposed to install the cpu transp devkit for your host | 11:39 |
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| gomiam | hi, everyone. | 11:39 |
| lle2 | dyncorp: then configure your sb target using sb-menu to use qemu-arm | 11:39 |
| dyncorp | so if qemu is running on the host? i can rerun sb-menu for qemu-arm? | 11:39 |
| dyncorp | or is there some extra transparency devkit | 11:40 |
| lle2 | have you installed the cputransp devkit? | 11:40 |
| lle2 | yes | 11:40 |
| gomiam | I'm using a N800 tablet, and I have a little problem with a specific WiFi network (no, I can't configure it since it's my workplace one). | 11:40 |
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| gomiam | Is there a way to enable WPA with TKIP and TTLS on the N800? | 11:40 |
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| dyncorp | thank you lle2 - for debian i install | 11:42 |
| dyncorp | scratchbox-devkit-cputransp - CPU transparency methods | 11:42 |
| lle2 | I'm finding it desperately confusing that people talk about SoC and don't mean system on a chip.. | 11:43 |
| lle2 | dyncorp: yes | 11:43 |
| gomiam | I find WEP, WAP/EAP and WPA/PSK, but no WAP/TKIP. Even if WAP/EAP allows for TTLS and no certificate is actually needed on this network, the EAP Method needed would be PAP, not EAP/GTC|EAP/MSCHAPv2|MSCHAPv2. Can someone confirm whether I will be able to connect to this network? | 11:43 |
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| gomiam | s/someone/anyone/ | 11:44 |
| dyncorp | interesting gomiam i didn't know TKIP was used for wlan | 11:44 |
| stone | Yay got my N800 10mins ago! :) | 11:45 |
| gomiam | blergh *hits head against wall* there is already a bug reported on maemo bugzilla. | 11:45 |
| gomiam | didn't see it on my first run. | 11:45 |
| gomiam | then again, it's for n770. I'll keep checking. | 11:45 |
| gomiam | stone. Congratulations. | 11:45 |
| dyncorp | lle2: i see qemu-arm methods 0.7.0-0.8.1 with sb2 and m2 options... which to use? | 11:45 |
| stone | gomiam: thx | 11:46 |
| stone | gomiam: anything i should do? upgrade new image etc? :) | 11:46 |
| gomiam | just on point of advice, stone: if you are going to upgrade already installed applications, use the GUI manager. A badly timed apt-upgrade forced me to reflash the tablet | 11:46 |
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| stone | gomiam: ok thx | 11:47 |
| lle2 | dyncorp: 0.8.1-sb2 is pretty good choice I think | 11:47 |
| gomiam | stone, if you use the tablet as a carry-on PC, I would suggest you installing the advanced osso-xterm, gnumeric, maemopad and some utilities like those (I have a lot of things installed right now, including several games, but I guess some of these will disappear soon:-) | 11:48 |
| dyncorp | ty | 11:48 |
| gomiam | oh, stone, and install ssh if you can. Being able to access the tablet remotely is quite useful at times >:-) | 11:48 |
| gomiam | (it also lets you enable the root access by just changing a line in the gainroot script) | 11:49 |
| stone | gomiam: hmm okay great, where do I add apt repositories? | 11:49 |
| * stone rtfm :) | 11:49 | |
| gomiam | you would launch the Application Manager, and go to the application menu|Tools|Application catalog | 11:50 |
| gomiam | you add repositories there. | 11:50 |
| gomiam | then again, there are some packages at the maemo wiki that will automagically add some useful repositories if you don't feel like typing them. | 11:50 |
| gomiam | and, of course, once you can get root on the tablet, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly (if you know how to use vi, that is) | 11:51 |
| gomiam | I can even send you my sources.list if needed :-D | 11:52 |
| stone | gomiam: yes please do :) | 11:52 |
| gomiam | ok, let me transfer it to this computer. | 11:52 |
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| gomiam | trying to send... | 11:54 |
| gomiam | have you accepted the transfer, stone? | 11:54 |
| stone | hmm i | 11:55 |
| stone | hmm i'm via irc proxy.. | 11:55 |
| stone | mail? | 11:55 |
| gomiam | oh | 11:55 |
| gomiam | hold on a minute | 11:55 |
| gomiam | I'll up it to a webserver I manage :-) | 11:55 |
| stone | thanks | 11:55 |
| dyncorp | do you guys apt-get from within a sbox target? or dpkg -i manually downloaded libs and dependencies? | 11:55 |
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| jku_ | dyncorp, I used qemu | 11:55 |
| kulve | dyncorp: apt-get | 11:56 |
| gomiam | stone: http://educa.feyts.uva.es/~magao/sources.list | 11:56 |
| gomiam | that's it. | 11:56 |
| dyncorp | ok - qemu and cpu-trans setup now ... just missing the arm vorbis, libmikmod etc libs | 11:56 |
| stone | gomiam: thanks! | 11:56 |
| gomiam | you are welcome. You will see there's a lot of repositories (I have installed not only the bora (i.e., N800 specific) repositories, but the mistral/scirocco/gregale (i.e. N700 versions) ones too where available) | 11:57 |
| gomiam | you should have no problem with the application manager, though. | 11:57 |
| gomiam | oh, and you may want to enable the red pill mode from time to time to get to those packages who usually don't show (the way to enable red/blue pill mode is to attempt to add a repository with url 'matrix' -no quotes- and then cancelling before actually creating the repository) | 11:58 |
| gomiam | OTOH, red pill mode may be somewhat scary, so be sure to use it only if you really need it (or a crazy tinkerer like me:-) | 11:59 |
| gomiam | all this information is available at the maemo.org site (usually at the wiki area), if you forget some procedure. | 12:00 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:49 |
| dyncorp | hi Jaffa | 12:55 |
| dyncorp | i have a noobish question - i want to cross-compile in scratchbox to a it2006 latest target | 12:57 |
| dyncorp | my sbox-SDK_ARMEL has .gregale in the sources.list do i need to change that to mistral? | 12:57 |
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| kulve | isn't gregale the latest SDK for i2006? | 13:03 |
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| acydlord | yeah | 13:04 |
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| acydlord | 2007 is bora | 13:04 |
| dyncorp | k i'll leave it at gregale | 13:05 |
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| zbenjamin | hi @ all | 13:17 |
| zbenjamin | what xserver is used by the n800 / n770 ? | 13:18 |
| suihkulokki | xserver-xomap | 13:18 |
| zbenjamin | thx | 13:19 |
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| suihkulokki | zbenjamin: you could just use ps and dpkg -S to find it out yourself ;) | 13:19 |
| zbenjamin | is there a project page or something? | 13:20 |
| kulve | no | 13:22 |
| zbenjamin | okay thx | 13:22 |
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| gomiam | erm... can anyone tell me where does the N800 tablet store its wireless connection information? (Knowing the processes implicated in connection establishment would be even better) I want to see whether PAP can be put there as an option. | 13:44 |
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| jku_ | gconf, if I remember correctly | 13:45 |
| kulve | Nokia-N800-51:~# gconftool-2 -R / | grep conn | 13:45 |
| * gomiam checks... | 13:46 | |
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| gomiam | I see, it's there. Thanks. Now I guess I'll install the gconf2 GUI editor (if there's one available:-) | 13:47 |
| kulve | there is | 13:47 |
| gomiam | gconf-editor is the package (gotta love apt-cache search) | 13:48 |
| kulve | gconf-editor: Installed: 2.16.0-0indt1 | 13:48 |
| jku_ | no way to add new keys though... | 13:48 |
| gomiam | argh!? | 13:49 |
| jku_ | gconftool-2 works | 13:49 |
| gomiam | ok | 13:49 |
| gomiam | I'll play around with it... later. I must go to work now | 13:49 |
| gomiam | thanks for all the information. Have a nice day. | 13:49 |
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| florian | good morning | 14:00 |
| dyncorp | polish guy working on Battle for Wesnoth: http://eko.one.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=95 | 14:05 |
| dyncorp | UQM garage Project Approved | 14:07 |
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| dyncorp_ | dpkg-buildpackage wants devscripts | 14:48 |
| dyncorp_ | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/UQM/libs_armel/Tremor] > apt-cache search devscripts | 14:48 |
| dyncorp_ | returns nothing | 14:48 |
| lle2 | you've got the debian devkit installed and selected for your target? | 14:49 |
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| kulve | dyncorp_: | 14:49 |
| kulve | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search devscripts | 14:49 |
| kulve | devscripts - devscripts from Scratchbox | 14:49 |
| dyncorp_ | that is something i should have selected with sb-menu? | 14:50 |
| dyncorp_ | i will look into that thanks for the tip | 14:51 |
| kulve | I'm not sure which should provide that.. | 14:53 |
| dyncorp_ | btw i am trying to build armel package for tremor libvorbis to package with uqm | 14:53 |
| dyncorp_ | it's opk lle2 gave me the hint | 14:53 |
| dyncorp_ | the target info says Devkits:cputransp | 14:55 |
| dyncorp_ | apparently one can select multiple Devkits (?) | 14:55 |
| neal | don't select the debian sarge devkit | 14:55 |
| neal | only the debian kit | 14:56 |
| dyncorp_ | ok, i don't see a way to add it from within the armel and menu-sb | 14:56 |
| dyncorp_ | sb-menu | 14:56 |
| dyncorp_ | logout first and setup the target again? | 14:57 |
| kulve | select all but sarge kit | 14:58 |
| dyncorp_ | ok | 14:58 |
| kulve | I'm not sure if you setup it again | 14:59 |
| kulve | maybe.. | 14:59 |
| kulve | +can | 14:59 |
| dyncorp_ | worked, thanks | 15:00 |
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| stone | how do i get dropbear on n800 to use /dev/urandom instead my random blocks | 15:31 |
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| Tenkawa | anyone seen this happen? | 15:32 |
| Tenkawa | sb-menu | 15:32 |
| Tenkawa | Illegal instruction | 15:32 |
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| miket | hi all, I' having a little problem with compiling a simple c program.. | 15:35 |
| miket | I keep getting "udefined reference" messages | 15:35 |
| kulve | you don't link some lib you need | 15:35 |
| miket | you mean include it in the source? | 15:36 |
| kulve | nope, when linking | 15:36 |
| kulve | you call some function that is in some source file or lib that you don't pass to you compiler | 15:36 |
| Tenkawa | hmm.. sees to be pythin coring | 15:37 |
| miket | I get it. I need to find which one it is.. | 15:37 |
| miket | thnx | 15:37 |
| makuchaku | kulve: hi man :) | 15:38 |
| kulve | hi | 15:38 |
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| Tenkawa | hmm.. | 15:39 |
| Tenkawa | something is not happy | 15:39 |
| makuchaku | i was fiddling around with my N800 & dual booting from MMC, works perfect! but how do i get the ext3 module working? everytime i insert it, i get the error i used to get when inserting ext2 module - i have already tried with [and w/o] mbcache | 15:39 |
| kulve | ext3 needs few extra modules | 15:40 |
| makuchaku | like? | 15:40 |
| Tenkawa | jbd | 15:40 |
| Tenkawa | for one | 15:40 |
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| makuchaku | hmm | 15:40 |
| kulve | see dmesg for errors | 15:40 |
| kulve | and then guess what modules are missing | 15:41 |
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| kulve | there aren't that many in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ | 15:41 |
| makuchaku | aha | 15:41 |
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| makuchaku | first jbd & then mbcache do the trick... :) | 15:41 |
| Tenkawa | which I could figure out why this thing is illegal instructioning | 15:41 |
| makuchaku | i'll add this info to http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 15:42 |
| makuchaku | :) | 15:42 |
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| makuchaku | ah... now how do I edit the page... searching for the edit link... | 15:44 |
| Tenkawa | kulve: hey what was the compiler namw to use again? | 15:44 |
| Tenkawa | I'm trying to create a target with command line conf instead of sb-menu | 15:45 |
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| kulve | Tenkawa: you mean cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm? | 15:45 |
| Tenkawa | yep. thanks | 15:45 |
| kulve | ls /scratchbox/compilers ;) | 15:46 |
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| Tenkawa | yeah | 15:47 |
| Tenkawa | sb-conf list --blah works well too | 15:48 |
| kulve | I always use just the sb-menu :) | 15:48 |
| Tenkawa | its coring | 15:49 |
| Tenkawa | illegal instruction | 15:49 |
| Tenkawa | so I'm attempting the manual method | 15:49 |
| kulve | ah | 15:50 |
| Tenkawa | gotta find a rootstrap now | 15:50 |
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| Tenkawa | found it | 15:52 |
| Tenkawa | oh crap | 15:52 |
| Tenkawa | wget illegal instructs too | 15:52 |
| Tenkawa | wonder if its this darn c3 cpu | 15:53 |
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| Tenkawa | rootstrap done... here goes the test | 15:55 |
| Tenkawa | thats much better | 15:56 |
| Tenkawa | heh oops.. guess not | 15:56 |
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| tzz | Tenkawa, did you ever figure out the BT pairing with the Apple keyboard? | 16:13 |
| Tenkawa | yeah.. the illegal instructions are kicking my butt | 16:14 |
| Tenkawa | tzz: no.. I cant seem to get it to pair | 16:14 |
| Tenkawa | pairs with the ibook just fine | 16:14 |
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| tzz | worked for me the first time, don't know what to tell you... | 16:14 |
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| Tenkawa | did you only have to ues a 4 digit pairing code? | 16:16 |
| Tenkawa | er use | 16:16 |
| Tenkawa | I didnt try for very long so I'll probably try again this evening | 16:16 |
| tzz | yes, just 4 digits, then Enter, all on the keypad | 16:16 |
| Tenkawa | doh.. I never typed them in on the apple kb | 16:16 |
| Tenkawa | i bet that was the problem | 16:17 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 16:17 |
| Tenkawa | duh since os x made me do it I assume the nokia would too | 16:17 |
| Tenkawa | duh | 16:17 |
| Tenkawa | didnt even think about that | 16:17 |
| Tenkawa | ROFL | 16:17 |
| Tenkawa | that was boneheaded | 16:17 |
| tzz | don't worry, we won't tell anyone :) | 16:18 |
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| Tenkawa | haahaa | 16:19 |
| Tenkawa | god I cant believe I did that | 16:19 |
| Tenkawa | now heres the question of the hour... if I "want" to make it like 8-10 digits will it accept it on the nokia? | 16:19 |
| Tenkawa | it is 10 digits long in os x if I remember correctly | 16:20 |
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| macpower | hi all | 16:57 |
| macpower | how are you | 16:58 |
| macpower | ? | 16:58 |
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| makuchaku | I finally dual booted my device... but when booting from the mmc2, my device is rebooting every 15 seconds... do I really have to reflash the device? :( | 17:34 |
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| makuchaku | trying http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_dualboot_bora.html now :) | 17:35 |
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| macpower | you know funambol? | 17:42 |
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| jpa- | i wonder if it is possible to use maemo-mapper on a normal PC platform? | 17:57 |
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| jpa- | or in general, if it is possible to somehow run maemo programs on PC | 18:01 |
| s-ndh-c | jpa-: why do you want that? | 18:02 |
| jpa- | well i don't have a N770, but maemo-mapper seems nicer than gpsdrive | 18:02 |
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| makuchaku | guys, why does the device reboots after dual booting? I'm just curious to know this... | 18:09 |
| makuchaku | is there anthing wrong that could have happened at my end? | 18:09 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 18:09 |
| s-ndh-c | you select boot from mmc and it boots from flash or what? | 18:09 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: I select boot from mmc2, it boots up the UI but reboots seconds after that... | 18:10 |
| makuchaku | I have followed http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card to the best of my knowledge... | 18:10 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: i've tried this with both ext2 & ext3 cobinations... | 18:11 |
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| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: i think i had the same problem | 18:12 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: oh... any workarounds? | 18:15 |
| neal | Why are some pages on the wiki mark immutable? | 18:15 |
| neal | like this page: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_mmc_ext2 | 18:16 |
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| b0unc3 | makuchaku: you can try to set no-lifeguard-reset with the flasher tool | 18:16 |
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| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: yeah then you might atleast get more information on whats borked | 18:16 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 18:16 |
| s-ndh-c | i think i did that too | 18:17 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: when I connect my N800 to my FC box & try to run flasher, should anything from my N800 be mounted? | 18:17 |
| makuchaku | or not? | 18:17 |
| s-ndh-c | did you read the instructions? | 18:18 |
| makuchaku | ah... got it! thanks :P | 18:18 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: did you managed to get the dual boot running after using no-lifeguard-reset | 18:27 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: and which method did you followed? the initfs or the rootfs? | 18:27 |
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| makuchaku | b0unc3: how do I set the no-lifeguard-reset option? | 18:40 |
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| acydlord | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 | 19:01 |
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| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: still there? | 19:28 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: yeah | 19:28 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: still trying to get things straight :) | 19:28 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: i just dont want to reflash my device & loose all my packages... so, are you dual booting right now? | 19:29 |
| s-ndh-c | no, atm iam not | 19:31 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: but when you did dual boot, you followed the initfs dual boot method or the rootfs method using flasher? | 19:31 |
| s-ndh-c | i was using the initfs thing | 19:32 |
| s-ndh-c | worked like a charm for me | 19:32 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: hmm | 19:32 |
| s-ndh-c | but you can chroot into the installation on the mmc right? | 19:33 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: i hope after flashing i wont have the reboots problem? | 19:33 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: yes, i can but it restarts just after setting up the GUI | 19:34 |
| s-ndh-c | but if you boot from the flash and then mount your mmc partition | 19:34 |
| s-ndh-c | can you chroot into it? | 19:34 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: yes I can... what are you trying to convey? | 19:35 |
| s-ndh-c | and you are sure it booted the right thing? | 19:36 |
| makuchaku | yeah | 19:36 |
| makuchaku | boothed the right thing - when booting from flash or when booting from the mmc? | 19:37 |
| s-ndh-c | does the n800 have mmc? i allways thought it has sd instead | 19:37 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: mini-sd | 19:37 |
| makuchaku | :) | 19:37 |
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| dragorn | the n800 has SD. It ships with mini-sd and a SD converter for it. | 19:39 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: so, any tips for me to set up the dual boot? | 19:40 |
| makuchaku | okay, i'm off to reflash my device - which I least want :( | 19:41 |
| makuchaku | i'll loose all my apps! :( | 19:41 |
| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: why that? | 19:41 |
| s-ndh-c | doesnt it boot if you boot from flash? | 19:41 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: i've used the initfs method in the starting, which prevents (i suppose) the rootfs method to work... | 19:42 |
| s-ndh-c | i thought you have problem only with booting from card | 19:42 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: yes, my flash works perfectly | 19:42 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: but i really want to see it boot off my 1 gb card | 19:42 |
| s-ndh-c | but why do you want to flash the image back to the flash memory then? | 19:43 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: dosnt the initfs method (initfs_flasher) changes things on flash? | 19:44 |
| s-ndh-c | if its just that initfs is borked just unpack the FIASCO image and just flash the initfs filesystem | 19:44 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: oh... didnt knew that, whats a FIASCO image? | 19:44 |
| makuchaku | i saw this option in the flasher-3.0 | 19:44 |
| s-ndh-c | the bin one which contains all filesystemimages | 19:44 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: okay, how do I get that? | 19:44 |
| s-ndh-c | i guess you have that allready | 19:45 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: flasher-3.0 -F <RH....bin> ? | 19:46 |
| makuchaku | hmm... nice! | 19:46 |
| makuchaku | RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 19:46 |
| makuchaku | onto it... | 19:46 |
| s-ndh-c | no | 19:46 |
| s-ndh-c | dont do that | 19:47 |
| s-ndh-c | that will flash reflash all filesystems with the ones contained in the image | 19:47 |
| s-ndh-c | you have to unpack that bin image | 19:47 |
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| makuchaku | oh | 19:49 |
| makuchaku | file command shows its "data" | 19:49 |
| makuchaku | how to unpack it? | 19:49 |
| s-ndh-c | do that ./flasher-3.0 -F blah.bin --unpack | 19:49 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: the jffs images...? | 19:50 |
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| s-ndh-c | yeah do ./flasher-3.0 --initfs initfs.jffs -f -R | 19:51 |
| makuchaku | ok | 19:51 |
| s-ndh-c | then poweroff the device | 19:51 |
| s-ndh-c | connect cable | 19:51 |
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| makuchaku | it says done.. i'm checking my device | 19:52 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: boy! its as good as new! s-ndh-c thanks man... i'm going to document this for others on the wiki :) | 19:54 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe | 19:55 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 19:55 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: now since my initfs is setup correct,y lemme try this method - http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_dualboot_bora.html | 19:56 |
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| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: i think the problem was this initfs thing was for the n770 | 19:57 |
| s-ndh-c | but i may be wrong | 19:57 |
| s-ndh-c | only have a n770 | 19:57 |
| makuchaku | yeah, the above link clearly mentions this | 19:58 |
| makuchaku | This document explains how to make dualboot work in the Nokia N800 device. In Internet Tablet product the dualboot is a method how you can boot your device with an alternative root filesystem. Only the rootfs - not the initfs - can be alternatively booted during the bootup sequence. | 19:58 |
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| makuchaku | okay... now this is interesting... i'm staring at a screen which says NOKIA :D hehehehe | 20:02 |
| makuchaku | & it reboots to another such screen... :) | 20:03 |
| maddler | makuchaku: better than a white screen! :D | 20:03 |
| makuchaku | maddler: lol | 20:03 |
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| makuchaku | if the flasher says """Version of 'sw-release': <no version>""" is it normal? | 20:05 |
| maddler | makuchaku: yes... | 20:06 |
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| maddler | well... at least I get that as well :) | 20:06 |
| makuchaku | ok | 20:06 |
| makuchaku | hmm, maddler did you reflashed too? or reflashed iht initfs? | 20:06 |
| makuchaku | *iht->the | 20:06 |
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| maddler | makuchaku: yup... reflashed it when I got it... | 20:07 |
| maddler | and again some 3 or 4 times more... :D | 20:07 |
| makuchaku | oh... you are a reflashing veteran :P | 20:07 |
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| s-ndh-c | i think i hossed the system on flash like 4 times yet | 20:07 |
| s-ndh-c | at that point i stared to experiment with a cloned system on the mmc thats much better | 20:08 |
| s-ndh-c | i wonder if its possible to boot more than one system from the card | 20:09 |
| s-ndh-c | like having sardine and the 0s2007 haxxor edition on the card | 20:09 |
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| s-ndh-c | i dont have a n800 so i can only experiment with this os2007 version that runs on the n770 | 20:10 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 20:10 |
| makuchaku | oh... ok | 20:11 |
| makuchaku | even i'm trying this all to run sardine :) | 20:11 |
| makuchaku | from my mmc | 20:11 |
| s-ndh-c | i installed sardine to experiment with gtk 2.10 | 20:11 |
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| makuchaku | nice... | 20:12 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: okay, this time I've omitted the "-v" option from tar command i was using to speed up things a bit - & am getting this on the cmd line... """tar: Names longer than 100 chars not supported.""" - is this supposed to a matter of concern? | 20:32 |
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| buz | hi | 20:36 |
| buz | i'm wondering about the cx3110c driver | 20:36 |
| buz | is that fully opensource now?or does it still need proprietary modules? | 20:36 |
| neal | the latter | 20:37 |
| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: did you use the gnu tar? | 20:37 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: i honestly dont remember which tar I had installed... | 20:38 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: i think it was the busybox... hmmm another point ! right... | 20:38 |
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| s-ndh-c | the n770 dualboot guide says to use gnu tar | 20:39 |
| s-ndh-c | cause of some problems with bbox tar | 20:39 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: yes it does. | 20:39 |
| makuchaku | hold on guys... its booting something from the mmc i suppose... | 20:42 |
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| makuchaku | blah! rebooted! | 20:42 |
| makuchaku | okay... back to reppeating everything with a gnu-tar version :) | 20:43 |
| makuchaku | brrr....i'll go crazy :) | 20:44 |
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| buz | thanks neal | 20:49 |
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| s-ndh-c | do those .install files select the right repository from alone? | 20:52 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean does it add the bora repo when on n800 and the mistal one when on n770? | 20:52 |
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| yos87 | hi | 20:53 |
| yos87 | what is maemo? | 20:54 |
| makuchaku | yos87: http://www.maemo.org | 20:54 |
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| yos87 | it's like a mobile software, | 20:58 |
| yos87 | But it seems doesn't work with N72, isn't it? | 20:58 |
| shackan | kid, you're offtrack, sorry | 20:59 |
| makuchaku | yos87: its Linux | 20:59 |
| makuchaku | :) | 20:59 |
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| maddler | yos87: kinda confused? :) | 21:06 |
| maddler | Maemo is a Linux based OS for Nokia Internet Tablet devices | 21:06 |
| makuchaku | yos87: here, this should help - http://www.maemo.org/about.html | 21:08 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: okay... gnu-tar works wonderfully well, i've booted from MMC & its been past 30 secs since it restarted - woohoooo | 21:10 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: love you dude! | 21:10 |
| s-ndh-c | iam testing some mono apps in os2007 haxxor edition atm :) | 21:13 |
| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: glad i could help you | 21:14 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: http://www.makuchaku.info/blog | 21:14 |
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| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: thanks alot :) tomorrow - lets play with sardine! | 21:18 |
| makuchaku | Good Night guys... my cat is waiting for me @ home :) | 21:18 |
| s-ndh-c | makuchaku: cya | 21:19 |
| makuchaku | s-ndh-c: cya :) | 21:19 |
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| Pzain | please help..sorry to ask but I have searched everywhere else. I'm running Kubuntu and have installed all the maemo/scratchbox packages. I updated some packages (libgtk2 and some others) and now when I reboot KDE doesn't start. I just get a terminal and can't sudo into root | 22:44 |
| Pzain | the terminal says "Internet Tablet OS 2005" at the top | 22:44 |
| Pzain | the same thing happend on Ubuntu | 22:45 |
| lle2 | wtf? you've installed the x86 maemo binaries on your ubuntu? | 22:47 |
| Pzain | i followed the tutorial on maemo.org..nothing different | 22:47 |
| lle2 | I'm quite sure you did something wrong | 22:48 |
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| Pzain | don't think so. this is my third time doing this from a clean install | 22:48 |
| lle2 | yeah, and the third time you've repeated the same error | 22:49 |
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| lle2 | at some point where you should be inside scratchbox, you're not | 22:50 |
| Pzain | well, i used to able to login to scratchbox via the terminal | 22:50 |
| Pzain | when KDE was working properly | 22:51 |
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| lle2 | look, sbox & maemo shouldn't interfere in any way with your desktop environment | 22:51 |
| lle2 | the only things you need to do as real root is to use apt-get to install scratchbox-* packages | 22:52 |
| lle2 | and maybe add yourself as sbox user | 22:53 |
| Pzain | it seems to happen after i update all the system packages...especially xephyr and libgtk2 | 22:53 |
| Pzain | and then reboot | 22:53 |
| Pzain | after that...no more KDE...just boot to terminal | 22:54 |
| lle2 | have you by any chance added some maemo repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list? | 22:54 |
| Pzain | yep.. | 22:54 |
| lle2 | well.. don't | 22:54 |
| lle2 | add them to /etc/apt/sources.list *inside* sbox | 22:54 |
| Pzain | shit...i added them to both | 22:54 |
| Pzain | when i was trying to install gazpacho | 22:55 |
| Pzain | damn...reinstall again..what a waste of time | 22:56 |
| Pzain | i hope that is the problem...sounds like a good candidate | 22:57 |
| Pzain | thanks | 22:57 |
| lle2 | np, and better luck in the future ;) | 22:57 |
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| linux4_ | in the futur n900 with more fast CPU Xscale and WIFI n roaming and maybe a keyboard aka Blackberry is plannified ? | 23:26 |
| Tenkawa | tzz: kb now paired | 23:27 |
| Tenkawa | boy do I still feel like a bonehead | 23:27 |
| Tenkawa | but at least it works now | 23:28 |
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| linux4_ | BlackBerry have better CPU than n800 | 23:28 |
| linux4_ | is not a problem ? | 23:28 |
| linux4_ | for you | 23:29 |
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| dyncorp | OMAP > XScale | 23:39 |
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| kulve | depends on the use. As always | 23:53 |
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