IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-03-16

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bjvanyone manage to hack around mplayer volume starting at 49%?00:01
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* dyncorp watches scratchbox crash and burn and makes a new kernel with vdso support00:16
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kkpaulgood evening guys00:24
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kkpaulany experts in electronics here?00:24
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dyncorpi know ohm's law00:31
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Sulisdyncorp: you simply *must* be an expert then!00:32
kkpaulhehe, right00:34
kkpaulmy question is as follows00:34
kkpaulwhen I charge my 770 with the original charger, the amp-meter kind of "bounces" from 0 to about 900mA when charging00:35
kkpaulthis does not happen when I charge it with a 5V constant power source of course00:35
kkpaulnow my simple question is: will it destroy the battery if it is charged with a constant voltage and current00:36
dyncorpi had to disassemble my 770 power adapter (the wallwart) and it looked like a regular solid state switching transformer, i.e. no special intelligence to shut off charging00:38
kkpaulbut why does it not show the "pulsing" when not using the orig. charger then00:39
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kkpaulhm. maybe I should try an oscilloscope to find out more?00:40
dyncorpyou mean the 5v constant source00:40
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kkpaula simple 7805 low drop voltage regulator with protection diodes and a current limiting resistor00:41
kkpaulwhich limits the current to 900mA MAX00:41
dyncorpmaybe you know something i don't about potential dangers.  i wouldn't have any qualms about hooking up 5v dc though.00:43
dyncorpi do think that whatever logic controls battery charging is within the 770 though00:43
kkpaulthats right I guess00:44
kkpauljust don´t wanna destroy my device. I like it, you knww :)00:44
kkpaulgot it for free anyway hehe00:44
dyncorpwow, how?00:45
kkpaulgot it via a contract extension (mobile phone contract)00:45
kkpaulI was allowed to choose: a new styl0r phone which I don´t need (my Siemens s65 still works flawessly!) or a N77000:46
dyncorpnice contract00:46
kkpaulthought that too00:47
kkpaulthought about selling it though.... but after all I think the N770 looks cooler than the N80000:48
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dyncorpi'm bummed out that the 800 has such different hardware, meaning low-level optimizations for some of the cpu-bound apps on the 770 will probably not happen now00:52
kkpaulhehe. when I can extend my contract again in 2008 I can get the N800 for free. now its int the shop for 1005?00:53
kkpaul105 damn00:53
dyncorp770 OMAP 1710 schematic00:55
kkpaulright. kinda too cryptic for me :)00:57
kkpaulif thats the right word or even spelling of it00:57
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kkpaul something like this01:05
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dyncorpvery nice link kkpaul01:19
kkpaulfound another one but cant remember the url01:20
kkpaul ther it is01:20
kkpaulgood night.01:23
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maddlermumble... mumble...02:08
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unique311whats up maemo'ers02:29
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dyncorpanybody interested in getting updates on uqm development?03:22
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LinuxApeanyone know when there will b gaim for OS2007?03:36
chibiAcydthere already is03:37
chibiAcydadd the maemo-hackers repo03:37
chibiAcydmight have to add it for mistral03:37
LinuxApeI have the maemo hackers repo,but the only gaim I see is fot the 77003:42
chibiAcydyeah, that one works on the n800 as well03:51
LinuxApeI'll try it out.  Thanks.03:52
LinuxApeI get unable to install, incompatible software.03:56
unique311check the details03:57
unique311dependencies maybe03:57
unique311show's how to03:59
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dyncorpsb_gcc_wrapper (gcc): No proper compiler configurations found06:20
dyncorpah /me sets up a target with sbox-menu06:21
* dyncorp frolics06:24
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* dyncorp tries to find a libvorbisidec tgz to install into scratchbox07:25
kulveI'm going to (try to) set up a apt repo for extra ogg libs/plugins during the weekend07:26
kulve(for n800)07:27
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dyncorpah that was simple:  svn co && cd Tremor && ./ && make07:45
dyncorpError: Could not copy default key config to user config dir: No such file or directory.07:48
dyncorp./uqm-debug  --sound=none07:50
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dyncorpah content is missing07:54
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dyncorp\o/ Uqm running in scratchbox!  WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO08:50
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dyncorpok i can't find an answer to this... how do i install a required .deb package when i'm within my sbox-SBOX_PC environment?10:12
lle2fakeroot dpkg -i thepackage.deb?10:12
Knirchfakeroot would be of little use there10:14
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dyncorpi need libmikmod2-dev in there10:14
kulveKnirch: depends on the package10:14
kulveeasier to use it alwasy10:14
Knirchkulve: uhm10:14
Knirchkulve: no10:14
Knirchkulve: then you have no understanding of what fakeroot does :)10:15
kulvesome packages want to change ownership etc of the files and their postinst will fail without fakeroot10:15
Knirchok, so you DO know what it does..10:15
Knirchmust be me who is a retard when it comes to scratchbox then10:16
Knirchit sounds utterly weird in my head to install a package and not have the permissions to change ownership10:16
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inzSome older versions of the debian devkit required to use fakeroot always, iirc10:16
lle2Knirch: you're not interested in the ownerships when installing target stuff inside sb10:17
Knirchinz: fakeroot is a vital tool when creating packages aye10:17
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inzKnirch, I meant when installing packages10:17
inzKnirch, dpkg had a built-in check for root privs10:17
Knirchinz: and that does just not compute for me10:17
Knirchbut then again, I haven't had any spare time in over a year, so never got around to play with scratchbox and whatnot, I only use fakeroot and friends at work10:19
lle2yeah, it can be hard to form an opinion about something you've no idea about.10:19
Knirchit's not about opinions10:20
zuhKnirch: You can't change something to be owned by someone else as a normal user, and fakeroot doesn't change who you really are (it only makes it look like that for the program)10:20
Knirchzuh: I know that, I _know_ fakeroot and what it does and why it does it :)10:20
* dyncorp has newest release Ur-Quan Masters 0.6.2 running in scratchbox! 10:33
* dyncorp frolics10:33
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jku_dyncorp, that's great10:45
dyncorpit's only thanks to the uqm devs who made such portable code10:46
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dyncorpi mean, everything but sound works out of the box, with one line of code changed10:46
jku_I was impressed about that too -- I was expecting something horrible after I saw the build system...10:48
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dyncorphave you cross-compiled yet?10:48
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jku_I was referring to my earlier work (0.5.0 packaging)10:50
dyncorpoh it's jussi, hi! and thanks for the help10:50
jku_not sure if you missed it when I said I'm the same guy as jhkukkon@cc.hut.fi10:50
dyncorpwhat do you think about a garage project page for uqm?10:52
jku_definitely a good idea. My login is jku, feel free to add me to the project (not promising much participation, but...))10:54
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dyncorpit is pending approval.  i hope that a page will make it easier for others to contribute10:55
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dyncorpbuilding the 2.2 armel rootstrap/target....10:58
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dyncorpjku_: if you're still here, did you use qemu to emulate the arm processor, or the nokia 770 via sbrsh?11:08
dyncorpi need to setup SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD.11:09
* dyncorp reads
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AD-N770good morning11:21
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dyncorpi've currently activated sbox-SDK_ARMEL but i can't install deb packages for qemu in it11:23
dyncorpi will try switching to sbox_PC and install11:24
dyncorp qemu depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6); however:11:25
dyncorp  Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.5cs2005q3.2-4.osso1011:25
dyncorpi don't really get it yet, i thought cross compiling didn't require a running target cpu11:30
ptmanin the best case it doesn't, but some software packages need cpu-transparency11:35
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lle2dyncorp: you're only supposed to install the cpu transp devkit for your host11:39
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gomiamhi, everyone.11:39
lle2dyncorp: then configure your sb target using sb-menu to use qemu-arm11:39
dyncorpso if qemu is running on the host? i can rerun sb-menu for qemu-arm?11:39
dyncorpor is there some extra transparency devkit11:40
lle2have you installed the cputransp devkit?11:40
gomiamI'm using a N800 tablet, and I have a little problem with a specific WiFi network (no, I can't configure it since it's my workplace one).11:40
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gomiamIs there a way to enable WPA with TKIP and TTLS on the N800?11:40
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dyncorpthank you lle2 - for debian i install11:42
dyncorpscratchbox-devkit-cputransp - CPU transparency methods11:42
lle2I'm finding it desperately confusing that people talk about SoC and don't mean system on a chip..11:43
lle2dyncorp: yes11:43
gomiamI find WEP, WAP/EAP and WPA/PSK, but no WAP/TKIP. Even if WAP/EAP allows for TTLS and no certificate is actually needed on this network, the EAP Method needed would be PAP, not EAP/GTC|EAP/MSCHAPv2|MSCHAPv2. Can someone confirm whether I will be able to connect to this network?11:43
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dyncorpinteresting gomiam i didn't know TKIP was used for wlan11:44
stoneYay got my N800 10mins ago! :)11:45
gomiamblergh *hits head against wall* there is already a bug reported on maemo bugzilla.11:45
gomiamdidn't see it on my first run.11:45
gomiamthen again, it's for n770. I'll keep checking.11:45
gomiamstone. Congratulations.11:45
dyncorplle2: i see qemu-arm methods 0.7.0-0.8.1 with sb2 and m2 options... which to use?11:45
stonegomiam: thx11:46
stonegomiam: anything i should do? upgrade new image etc? :)11:46
gomiamjust on point of advice, stone: if you are going to upgrade already installed applications, use the GUI manager. A badly timed apt-upgrade forced me to reflash the tablet11:46
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stonegomiam: ok thx11:47
lle2dyncorp: 0.8.1-sb2 is pretty good choice I think11:47
gomiamstone, if you use the tablet as a carry-on PC, I would suggest you installing the advanced osso-xterm, gnumeric, maemopad and some utilities like those (I have a lot of things installed right now, including several games, but I guess some of these will disappear soon:-)11:48
gomiamoh, stone, and install ssh if you can. Being able to access the tablet remotely is quite useful at times >:-)11:48
gomiam(it also lets you enable the root access by just changing a line in the gainroot script)11:49
stonegomiam: hmm okay great, where do I add apt repositories?11:49
* stone rtfm :)11:49
gomiamyou would launch the Application Manager, and go to the application menu|Tools|Application catalog11:50
gomiamyou add repositories there.11:50
gomiamthen again, there are some packages at the maemo wiki that will automagically add some useful repositories if you don't feel like typing them.11:50
gomiamand, of course, once you can get root on the tablet, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly (if you know how to use vi, that is)11:51
gomiamI can even send you my sources.list if needed :-D11:52
stonegomiam: yes please do :)11:52
gomiamok, let me transfer it to this computer.11:52
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gomiamtrying to send...11:54
gomiamhave you accepted the transfer, stone?11:54
stonehmm i11:55
stonehmm i'm via irc proxy..11:55
gomiamhold on a minute11:55
gomiamI'll up it to a webserver I manage :-)11:55
dyncorpdo you guys apt-get from within a sbox target?  or dpkg -i manually downloaded libs and dependencies?11:55
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jku_dyncorp, I used qemu11:55
kulvedyncorp: apt-get11:56
gomiamthat's it.11:56
dyncorpok - qemu and cpu-trans setup now ... just missing the arm vorbis, libmikmod etc libs11:56
stonegomiam: thanks!11:56
gomiamyou are welcome. You will see there's a lot of repositories (I have installed not only the bora (i.e., N800 specific) repositories, but the mistral/scirocco/gregale (i.e. N700 versions) ones too where available)11:57
gomiamyou should have no problem with the application manager, though.11:57
gomiamoh, and you may want to enable the red pill mode from time to time to get to those packages who usually don't show (the way to enable red/blue pill mode is to attempt to add a repository with url 'matrix' -no quotes- and then cancelling before actually creating the repository)11:58
gomiamOTOH, red pill mode may be somewhat scary, so be sure to use it only if you really need it (or a crazy tinkerer like me:-)11:59
gomiamall this information is available at the site (usually at the wiki area), if you forget some procedure.12:00
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JaffaMorning, all12:49
dyncorphi Jaffa12:55
dyncorpi have a noobish question - i want to cross-compile in scratchbox to a it2006 latest target12:57
dyncorpmy sbox-SDK_ARMEL has .gregale in the sources.list  do i need to change that to mistral?12:57
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kulveisn't gregale the latest SDK for i2006?13:03
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acydlord2007 is bora13:04
dyncorpk i'll leave it at gregale13:05
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zbenjaminhi @ all13:17
zbenjaminwhat xserver is used by the n800 / n770 ?13:18
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suihkulokkizbenjamin: you could just use ps and dpkg -S to find it out yourself ;)13:19
zbenjaminis there a project page or something?13:20
zbenjaminokay thx13:22
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gomiamerm... can anyone tell me where does the N800 tablet store its wireless connection information? (Knowing the processes implicated in connection establishment would be even better) I want to see whether PAP can be put there as an option.13:44
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jku_gconf, if I remember correctly13:45
kulveNokia-N800-51:~# gconftool-2 -R / | grep conn13:45
* gomiam checks...13:46
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gomiamI see, it's there. Thanks. Now I guess I'll install the gconf2 GUI editor (if there's one available:-)13:47
kulvethere is13:47
gomiamgconf-editor is the package (gotta love apt-cache search)13:48
kulvegconf-editor: Installed: 2.16.0-0indt113:48
jku_no way to add new keys though...13:48
jku_gconftool-2 works13:49
gomiamI'll play around with it... later. I must go to work now13:49
gomiamthanks for all the information. Have a nice day.13:49
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floriangood morning14:00
dyncorppolish guy working on Battle for Wesnoth:
dyncorpUQM garage Project Approved14:07
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dyncorp_dpkg-buildpackage wants devscripts14:48
dyncorp_[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/UQM/libs_armel/Tremor] > apt-cache search devscripts14:48
dyncorp_returns nothing14:48
lle2you've got the debian devkit installed and selected for your target?14:49
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kulve[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search devscripts14:49
kulvedevscripts - devscripts from Scratchbox14:49
dyncorp_that is something i should have selected with sb-menu?14:50
dyncorp_i will look into that thanks for the tip14:51
kulveI'm not sure which should provide that..14:53
dyncorp_btw i am trying to build armel package for tremor libvorbis to package with uqm14:53
dyncorp_it's opk lle2 gave me the hint14:53
dyncorp_the target info says Devkits:cputransp14:55
dyncorp_apparently one can select multiple Devkits (?)14:55
nealdon't select the debian sarge devkit14:55
nealonly the debian kit14:56
dyncorp_ok, i don't see a way to add it from within the armel and menu-sb14:56
dyncorp_logout first and setup the target again?14:57
kulveselect all but sarge kit14:58
kulveI'm not sure if you setup it again14:59
dyncorp_worked, thanks15:00
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stonehow do i get dropbear on n800 to use /dev/urandom instead my random blocks15:31
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Tenkawaanyone seen this happen?15:32
TenkawaIllegal instruction15:32
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mikethi all, I' having a little problem with compiling a simple c program..15:35
miketI keep getting "udefined reference" messages15:35
kulveyou don't link some lib you need15:35
miketyou mean include it in the source?15:36
kulvenope, when linking15:36
kulveyou call some function that is in some source file or lib that you don't pass to you compiler15:36
Tenkawahmm.. sees to be pythin coring15:37
miketI get it. I need to find which one it is..15:37
makuchakukulve: hi man :)15:38
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Tenkawasomething is not happy15:39
makuchakui was fiddling around with my N800 & dual booting from MMC, works perfect! but how do i get the ext3 module working? everytime i insert it, i get the error i used to get when inserting ext2 module - i have already tried with [and w/o] mbcache15:39
kulveext3 needs few extra modules15:40
Tenkawafor one15:40
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kulvesee dmesg for errors15:40
kulveand then guess what modules are missing15:41
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kulvethere aren't that many in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/15:41
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makuchakufirst jbd & then mbcache do the trick... :)15:41
Tenkawawhich I could figure out why this thing is illegal instructioning15:41
makuchakui'll add this info to
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makuchakuah... now how do I edit the page... searching for the edit link...15:44
Tenkawakulve: hey what was the compiler namw to use again?15:44
TenkawaI'm trying to create a target with command line conf instead of sb-menu15:45
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kulveTenkawa: you mean cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm?15:45
Tenkawayep. thanks15:45
kulvels /scratchbox/compilers ;)15:46
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Tenkawasb-conf list --blah works well too15:48
kulveI always use just the sb-menu :)15:48
Tenkawaits coring15:49
Tenkawaillegal instruction15:49
Tenkawaso I'm attempting the manual method15:49
Tenkawagotta find a rootstrap now15:50
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Tenkawafound it15:52
Tenkawaoh crap15:52
Tenkawawget illegal instructs too15:52
Tenkawawonder if its this darn c3 cpu15:53
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Tenkawarootstrap done... here goes the test15:55
Tenkawathats much better15:56
Tenkawaheh oops.. guess not15:56
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tzzTenkawa, did you ever figure out the BT pairing with the Apple keyboard?16:13
Tenkawayeah.. the illegal instructions are kicking my butt16:14
Tenkawatzz: no.. I cant seem to get it to pair16:14
Tenkawapairs with the ibook just fine16:14
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tzzworked for me the first time, don't know what to tell you...16:14
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Tenkawadid you only have to ues a 4 digit pairing code?16:16
Tenkawaer use16:16
TenkawaI didnt try for very long so I'll probably try again this evening16:16
tzzyes, just 4 digits, then Enter, all on the keypad16:16
Tenkawadoh.. I never typed them in on the apple kb16:16
Tenkawai bet that was the problem16:17
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Tenkawaduh since os x made me do it I assume the nokia would too16:17
Tenkawadidnt even think about that16:17
Tenkawathat was boneheaded16:17
tzzdon't worry, we won't tell anyone :)16:18
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Tenkawagod I cant believe I did that16:19
Tenkawanow heres the question of the hour... if I "want" to make it like 8-10 digits will it accept it on the nokia?16:19
Tenkawait is 10 digits long in os x if I remember correctly16:20
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macpowerhi all16:57
macpowerhow are you16:58
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makuchakuI finally dual booted my device... but when booting from the mmc2, my device is rebooting every 15 seconds... do I really have to reflash the device? :(17:34
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makuchakutrying now :)17:35
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macpoweryou know funambol?17:42
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jpa-i wonder if it is possible to use maemo-mapper on a normal PC platform?17:57
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jpa-or in general, if it is possible to somehow run maemo programs on PC18:01
s-ndh-cjpa-: why do you want that?18:02
jpa-well i don't have a N770, but maemo-mapper seems nicer than gpsdrive18:02
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makuchakuguys, why does the device reboots after dual booting? I'm just curious to know this...18:09
makuchakuis there anthing wrong that could have happened at my end?18:09
s-ndh-cyou select boot from mmc and it boots from flash or what?18:09
makuchakus-ndh-c: I select boot from mmc2, it boots up the UI but reboots seconds after that...18:10
makuchakuI have followed to the best of my knowledge...18:10
makuchakus-ndh-c: i've tried this with both ext2 & ext3 cobinations...18:11
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s-ndh-cmakuchaku: i think i had the same problem18:12
makuchakus-ndh-c: oh... any workarounds?18:15
nealWhy are some pages on the wiki mark immutable?18:15
neallike this page:
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b0unc3makuchaku: you can try to set no-lifeguard-reset with the flasher tool18:16
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s-ndh-cmakuchaku: yeah then you might atleast get more information on whats borked18:16
s-ndh-ci think i did that too18:17
makuchakus-ndh-c: when I connect my N800 to my FC box & try to run flasher, should anything from my N800 be mounted?18:17
makuchakuor not?18:17
s-ndh-cdid you read the instructions?18:18
makuchakuah... got it! thanks :P18:18
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makuchakus-ndh-c: did you managed to get the dual boot running after using no-lifeguard-reset18:27
makuchakus-ndh-c: and which method did you followed? the initfs or the rootfs?18:27
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makuchakub0unc3: how do I set the no-lifeguard-reset option?18:40
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s-ndh-cmakuchaku: still there?19:28
makuchakus-ndh-c: yeah19:28
makuchakus-ndh-c: still trying to get things straight :)19:28
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makuchakus-ndh-c: i just dont want to reflash my device & loose all my packages... so, are you dual booting right now?19:29
s-ndh-cno, atm iam not19:31
makuchakus-ndh-c: but when you did dual boot, you followed the initfs dual boot method or the rootfs method using flasher?19:31
s-ndh-ci was using the initfs thing19:32
s-ndh-cworked like a charm for me19:32
makuchakus-ndh-c: hmm19:32
s-ndh-cbut you can chroot into the installation on the mmc right?19:33
makuchakus-ndh-c: i hope after flashing i wont have the reboots problem?19:33
makuchakus-ndh-c: yes, i can but it restarts just after setting up the GUI19:34
s-ndh-cbut if you boot from the flash and then mount your mmc partition19:34
s-ndh-ccan you chroot into it?19:34
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makuchakus-ndh-c: yes I can... what are you trying to convey?19:35
s-ndh-cand you are sure it booted the right thing?19:36
makuchakuboothed the right thing - when booting from flash or when booting from the mmc?19:37
s-ndh-cdoes the n800 have mmc? i allways thought it has sd instead19:37
makuchakus-ndh-c: mini-sd19:37
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dragornthe n800 has SD.  It ships with mini-sd and a SD converter for it.19:39
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makuchakus-ndh-c: so, any tips for me to set up the dual boot?19:40
makuchakuokay, i'm off to reflash my device - which I least want :(19:41
makuchakui'll loose all my apps! :(19:41
s-ndh-cmakuchaku: why that?19:41
s-ndh-cdoesnt it boot if you boot from flash?19:41
makuchakus-ndh-c: i've used the initfs method in the starting, which prevents (i suppose) the rootfs method to work...19:42
s-ndh-ci thought you have problem only with booting from card19:42
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makuchakus-ndh-c: yes, my flash works perfectly19:42
makuchakus-ndh-c: but i really want to see it boot off my 1 gb card19:42
s-ndh-cbut why do you want to flash the image back to the flash memory then?19:43
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makuchakus-ndh-c: dosnt the initfs method (initfs_flasher) changes things on flash?19:44
s-ndh-cif its just that initfs is borked just unpack the FIASCO image and just flash the initfs filesystem19:44
makuchakus-ndh-c: oh... didnt knew that, whats a FIASCO image?19:44
makuchakui saw this option in the flasher-3.019:44
s-ndh-cthe bin one which contains all filesystemimages19:44
makuchakus-ndh-c: okay, how do I get that?19:44
s-ndh-ci guess you have that allready19:45
makuchakus-ndh-c: flasher-3.0 -F <RH....bin> ?19:46
makuchakuhmm... nice!19:46
makuchakuonto it...19:46
s-ndh-cdont do that19:47
s-ndh-cthat will flash reflash all filesystems with the ones contained in the  image19:47
s-ndh-cyou have to unpack that bin image19:47
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makuchakufile command shows its "data"19:49
makuchakuhow to unpack it?19:49
s-ndh-cdo that ./flasher-3.0 -F blah.bin --unpack19:49
makuchakus-ndh-c: the jffs images...?19:50
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s-ndh-cyeah do ./flasher-3.0 --initfs initfs.jffs -f -R19:51
s-ndh-cthen poweroff the device19:51
s-ndh-cconnect cable19:51
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makuchakuit says done.. i'm checking my device19:52
makuchakus-ndh-c: boy! its as good as new! s-ndh-c thanks man... i'm going to document this for others on the wiki :)19:54
makuchakus-ndh-c: now since my initfs is setup correct,y lemme try this method -
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s-ndh-cmakuchaku: i think the problem was this initfs thing was for the n77019:57
s-ndh-cbut i may be wrong19:57
s-ndh-conly have a n77019:57
makuchakuyeah, the above link clearly mentions this19:58
makuchakuThis document explains how to make dualboot work in the Nokia N800 device. In Internet Tablet product the dualboot is a method how you can boot your device with an alternative root filesystem. Only the rootfs - not the initfs - can be alternatively booted during the bootup sequence.19:58
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makuchakuokay... now this is interesting... i'm staring at a screen which says NOKIA :D hehehehe20:02
makuchaku& it reboots to another such screen... :)20:03
maddlermakuchaku: better than a white screen! :D20:03
makuchakumaddler: lol20:03
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makuchakuif the flasher says """Version of 'sw-release': <no version>""" is it normal?20:05
maddlermakuchaku: yes...20:06
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maddlerwell... at least I get that as well :)20:06
makuchakuhmm, maddler did you reflashed too? or reflashed iht initfs?20:06
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maddlermakuchaku: yup... reflashed it when I got it...20:07
maddlerand again some 3 or 4 times more... :D20:07
makuchakuoh... you are a reflashing veteran :P20:07
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s-ndh-ci think i hossed the system on flash like 4 times yet20:07
s-ndh-cat that point i stared to experiment with a cloned system on the mmc thats much better20:08
s-ndh-ci wonder if its possible to boot more than one system from the card20:09
s-ndh-clike having sardine and the 0s2007 haxxor edition on the card20:09
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s-ndh-ci dont have a n800 so i can only experiment with this os2007 version that runs on the n77020:10
makuchakuoh... ok20:11
makuchakueven i'm trying this all to run sardine :)20:11
makuchakufrom my mmc20:11
s-ndh-ci installed sardine to experiment with gtk 2.1020:11
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makuchakus-ndh-c: okay, this time I've omitted the "-v" option from tar command i was using to speed up things a bit - & am getting this on the cmd line... """tar: Names longer than 100 chars not supported.""" - is this supposed to a matter of concern?20:32
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buzi'm wondering about the cx3110c driver20:36
buzis that fully opensource now?or does it still need proprietary modules?20:36
nealthe latter20:37
s-ndh-cmakuchaku: did you use the gnu tar?20:37
makuchakus-ndh-c: i honestly dont remember which tar I had installed...20:38
makuchakus-ndh-c: i think it was the busybox... hmmm another point ! right...20:38
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s-ndh-cthe n770 dualboot guide says to use gnu tar20:39
s-ndh-ccause of some problems with bbox tar20:39
makuchakus-ndh-c: yes it does.20:39
makuchakuhold on guys... its booting something from the mmc i suppose...20:42
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makuchakublah! rebooted!20:42
makuchakuokay... back to reppeating everything with a gnu-tar version :)20:43
makuchakubrrr....i'll go crazy :)20:44
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buzthanks neal20:49
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s-ndh-cdo those .install files select the right repository from alone?20:52
s-ndh-ci mean does it add the bora repo when on n800 and the mistal one when on n770?20:52
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yos87what is maemo?20:54
makuchakuyos87: http://www.maemo.org20:54
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yos87it's like a mobile software,20:58
yos87But it seems doesn't work with N72, isn't it?20:58
shackankid, you're offtrack, sorry20:59
makuchakuyos87: its Linux20:59
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maddleryos87: kinda confused? :)21:06
maddlerMaemo is a Linux based OS for Nokia Internet Tablet devices21:06
makuchakuyos87: here, this should help -
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makuchakus-ndh-c: okay... gnu-tar works wonderfully well, i've booted from MMC & its been past 30 secs since it restarted - woohoooo21:10
makuchakus-ndh-c: love you dude!21:10
s-ndh-ciam testing some mono apps in os2007 haxxor edition atm :)21:13
s-ndh-cmakuchaku: glad i could help you21:14
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makuchakus-ndh-c: thanks alot :) tomorrow - lets play with sardine!21:18
makuchakuGood Night guys... my cat is waiting for me @ home :)21:18
s-ndh-cmakuchaku: cya21:19
makuchakus-ndh-c: cya :)21:19
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Pzainplease help..sorry to ask but I have searched everywhere else. I'm running Kubuntu and have installed all the maemo/scratchbox packages. I updated some packages (libgtk2 and some others) and now when I reboot KDE doesn't start. I just get a terminal and can't sudo into root22:44
Pzainthe terminal says "Internet Tablet OS 2005" at the top22:44
Pzainthe same thing happend on Ubuntu22:45
lle2wtf? you've installed the x86 maemo binaries on your ubuntu?22:47
Pzaini followed the tutorial on different22:47
lle2I'm quite sure you did something wrong22:48
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Pzaindon't think so. this is my third time doing this from a clean install22:48
lle2yeah, and the third time you've repeated the same error22:49
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lle2at some point where you should be inside scratchbox, you're not22:50
Pzainwell, i used to able to login to scratchbox via the terminal22:50
Pzainwhen KDE was working properly22:51
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lle2look, sbox & maemo shouldn't interfere in any way with your desktop environment22:51
lle2the only things you need to do as real root is to use apt-get to install scratchbox-* packages22:52
lle2and maybe add yourself as sbox user22:53
Pzainit seems to happen after i update all the system packages...especially xephyr and libgtk222:53
Pzainand then reboot22:53
Pzainafter more KDE...just boot to terminal22:54
lle2have you by any chance added some maemo repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list?22:54
lle2well.. don't22:54
lle2add them to /etc/apt/sources.list *inside* sbox22:54
Pzainshit...i added them to both22:54
Pzainwhen i was trying to install gazpacho22:55
Pzaindamn...reinstall again..what a waste of time22:56
Pzaini hope that is the problem...sounds like a good candidate22:57
lle2np, and better luck in the future ;)22:57
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linux4_in the futur n900 with more fast CPU Xscale and WIFI n roaming and maybe a keyboard aka Blackberry is plannified ?23:26
Tenkawatzz: kb now paired23:27
Tenkawaboy do I still feel like a bonehead23:27
Tenkawabut at least it works now23:28
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linux4_BlackBerry have better CPU than n80023:28
linux4_is not a problem ?23:28
linux4_for you23:29
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dyncorpOMAP > XScale23:39
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kulvedepends on the use. As always23:53
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