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| bipolar | has anyone seen a port of Gnucash? | 00:27 |
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| bipolar | It would be awesome to have gnucash on the handheld, then access the gnucash db on the handheld via usbstorage with gnucash running on a pc | 00:28 |
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| Tenkawa | bipolar: wow I second that opinion | 00:31 |
| Tenkawa | that would be a great app to port | 00:31 |
| bipolar | Tenkawa: it would keep me from overspending :p | 00:31 |
| Tenkawa | heheheh | 00:31 |
| bipolar | Tenkawa: and... with a Windows X server (stored on the nokia) I could run it when I'm on someone elses pc! | 00:32 |
| Tenkawa | nothing is going to keep me from dooing that.. at least now I woud know right away how badly I was overspending though | 00:32 |
| Tenkawa | rofl | 00:32 |
| bipolar | :) | 00:32 |
| bipolar | I should just try to compile it :) | 00:32 |
| Tenkawa | if I could get my maemo/scratchbox set up done theres a list of stuff I'd like to try to port | 00:32 |
| bipolar | or, first run it via remote X to see how it fixes the screen | 00:33 |
| bipolar | s/fixes/fits | 00:33 |
| Tenkawa | nod | 00:33 |
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| unique311 | need some help | 01:36 |
| unique311 | cloning in order to boot from mmc sucked.... | 01:37 |
| unique311 | very slow... | 01:37 |
| dyncorp_ | you have fast mmc (kingston?) | 01:37 |
| unique311 | how can i remove thae prompt that ask wether i want to boot from mmc? | 01:37 |
| unique311 | i think i have a slow mmc.... | 01:38 |
| unique311 | now i want to remove that boot screen....and don't have a clue how to | 01:38 |
| unique311 | chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 | 01:38 |
| unique311 | that command i think activated it.. | 01:38 |
| dyncorp_ | i don't know, search for cal-tool | 01:39 |
| Veggen | unique311: My guess is you run it again with --set-root-device <something else> | 01:40 |
| unique311 | guessed the same thing.... | 01:40 |
| Veggen | And you need to find what it's supposed to be. | 01:40 |
| unique311 | searching right now | 01:40 |
| acydlord | isnt it supposed to be initfs? | 01:41 |
| unique311 | got it | 01:41 |
| dyncorp_ | and the answer is? | 01:42 |
| unique311 | chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device flash ( sets it default to boot from internal flash | 01:42 |
| unique311 | the ask: tells it to ask you on everyboot where you want to boot from | 01:42 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 01:44 |
| unique311 | this tutorial states flash mmc and usb are the only valid set rootdevices.. | 01:44 |
| unique311 | only one way to find out... | 01:45 |
| unique311 | k got it to boot from flash..... | 01:53 |
| unique311 | now how do i get rid of the words at the very top that states booting from flash? | 01:53 |
| unique311 | million dollar question | 01:53 |
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| unique311 | well the answer to that one is i'm going to reflash the danm thing.... | 01:57 |
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| dyncorp_ | hatari is real nice Tak, if you haven't tried it yet | 02:31 |
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| [mbm] | hmm .. unique311 only needed to reflash initfs and not the entire damn device | 02:44 |
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| dyncorp_ | boy, old games sucked, for the most part | 03:35 |
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| syrinx | hey! is there a sources.list with all the repositories that i can download from somewhere? | 03:54 |
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| * Tak looks for hatari | 04:12 | |
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| dyncorp_ | i found that disabling the slow/accurate cpu emulation sped things up a lot. a lot of the old games stink, but it's a treat to see some of them start | 04:22 |
| dyncorp_ | also i found that hatari didn't scale the ST mouse correctly when switching display resolution to a higher res (as when games start) | 04:23 |
| dyncorp_ | so the touchpad or synergy mouse only addresses the top left of the screen | 04:23 |
| dyncorp_ | not on all games though | 04:24 |
| dyncorp_ | was cute to see Arkanoid, Ultima IV/V running on the 770 | 04:24 |
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| unique311 | after 2 flashes, last one because of a loop, caused b something i installed....i'm back.... | 06:14 |
| unique311 | sucks i have to reinstall everything i had on the danmed thing...thats my new nick for it Danmed Thing... | 06:15 |
| unique311 | anybody listening or i'm i just chatting with self... | 06:15 |
| unique311 | feell kinda crazy.... | 06:15 |
| unique311 | stop writting then unique311 | 06:16 |
| unique311 | see | 06:16 |
| soleblaze | haha..yeah | 06:23 |
| soleblaze | mine's currently in the loop thing..I've been to lazy to fix it | 06:23 |
| unique311 | lazy to install the apps back on it... | 06:23 |
| unique311 | maybe i'll keep it fresh | 06:23 |
| unique311 | i need gain and irc on it...thats it | 06:24 |
| soleblaze | what irc program do you use on it? | 06:26 |
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| unique311 | xchat | 06:26 |
| unique311 | 2.8 version... | 06:26 |
| soleblaze | cool..I'll have to try that sometime | 06:28 |
| unique311 | its real good....didn't try the gaim irc...that should work, everything else for gaim was working real nicely.. | 06:29 |
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| soleblaze | yeah.. I just use jabber with gateways for all the im stuff | 06:46 |
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| derf | Hmm, so I can't seem to actually pull the logfile from the WBT-200 in Linux. | 08:12 |
| derf | I run through the HOWTO online, and it works up until I enter the gpsbabel command, which runs for a few seconds, then the device shuts off its bluetooth, powers off, and cannot be turned back on for several minutes (even if I remove the battery). | 08:13 |
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| VRe | Seems my mmc card is broken now, "end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 612" | 09:21 |
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| chibiAcyd | reformat it | 09:24 |
| VRe | I'm running fsck.vfat with badblock find. I don't think formatting can remove hardware defect | 09:25 |
| VRe | Maybe I could get it into warranty :) | 09:25 |
| melmoth | send it as soon as possibke | 09:28 |
| melmoth | those card are not covered for long | 09:28 |
| melmoth | 3 monthes according to the nokia customer service shop i visitted with my broken one | 09:28 |
| VRe | This is kingstons 1G card, so I suppose when they say lifetime guarantee it would be so.. | 09:30 |
| makuchaku | Hi all, I want to have a look at osso-pdfviewer's code, where can I find the tarball? | 09:36 |
| kulve | makuchaku: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/os2007-src/ | 09:37 |
| makuchaku | kulve: this is for Bora release? | 09:37 |
| kulve | yes | 09:37 |
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| makuchaku | kulve: how does one gets the code for a release? Say sardine? fetch from the svn? I checked up the Sardine pages, but couldnt find the osso-pdfviewer's SVN | 09:38 |
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| kulve | makuchaku: depends on the package | 09:40 |
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| makuchaku | kulve: how about osso-pdfviewer? :) | 09:41 |
| kulve | I dont understand what you want | 09:41 |
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| tigert | morn | 09:42 |
| kulve | I think sardine is just a development stuff and it doesn't include nearly all that a official release has | 09:42 |
| makuchaku | kulve: :) ok - I was interested in fixing a bug for the pdfviewer which comes with N800, I have my SDK set up. So was just looking for the app's source code :) | 09:42 |
| makuchaku | kulve: agreed... but then is there a separate branch/place where these apps are built? | 09:43 |
| X-Fade | makuchaku: Yes. In an Nokia internal repository. | 09:45 |
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| kulve | makuchaku: most of them are closed source, afaik | 09:46 |
| makuchaku | X-Fade: ok... | 09:46 |
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| makuchaku | kulve: then how come we have source for these http://bleb.org/software/maemo/os2007-src/ - i'm just curious :) | 09:47 |
| makuchaku | kulve: Nokia released it? | 09:47 |
| kulve | not all of them are closed source. I think the pdf viewer uses some gpl'ed pdf-engine and they have to release source for it | 09:47 |
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| X-Fade | makuchaku: http://maemo.org/downloads/Nokia_N800_OS.php | 09:50 |
| X-Fade | There are all sources of programs are/use GPL software | 09:50 |
| makuchaku | ah... X-Fade, kulve thanks :) | 09:55 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:31 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:33 |
| dyncorp_ | hi, any scratchbox users around? | 11:33 |
| dyncorp_ | oh nm :) | 11:34 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:06 |
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| keesj | oe is really mud on very strong steroides | 13:10 |
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| lle2 | steroids are bad for you | 13:30 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: indeed | 13:49 |
| kkito | why is the tap and hold feature implemented like a gtk widget ? | 13:50 |
| kkito | i think that i will be better if it was implemented on the mouse/touchscreen device driver.... | 13:51 |
| kkito | and the fullscreen button it isnt bind to the window manager.... | 13:52 |
| kkito | imo it is bad designed.... | 13:53 |
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| ptman | if the fullscreen button would be a window manager feature, then the menus would still be left on the screen... | 13:54 |
| kkito | and the virtual keyboard.... it is not a real virtual keyboard device.... | 13:54 |
| kkito | ptman, ? | 13:54 |
| kkito | ptman, kwin has it and the menus are ok | 13:54 |
| ptman | this is not really kwin we have on maemo, is it? | 13:55 |
| kkito | ptman, it is matchbox | 13:56 |
| ptman | I mean, if the application wouldn't be aware of the fullscreen mode, many useful layout optimizations would be impossible | 13:56 |
| kkito | ptman, the app can communicate with the window manager | 13:56 |
| kkito | on X11R6/7 | 13:56 |
| ptman | and which of these is more complex? | 13:57 |
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| ptman | right now, most new applications will be written in hildon, which already handles the basic fullscreening all right | 13:57 |
| kkito | ptman, and? it is bad designed anyways | 13:58 |
| ptman | it is a design decision, and I'm sure a lot of thought went into making it | 14:00 |
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| kkito | ptman, then the design of metacity and kwin that they has years of development are bad? | 14:01 |
| kkito | and the freedesktop.org? | 14:01 |
| ptman | why would the development of kwin and metacity be bad? those window managers are just not meant for embedded devices | 14:04 |
| ptman | and freedesktop.org, while it makes interesting standards, cannot be applied as it is to embedded devices | 14:04 |
| ptman | some corners have to be cut, some compromises made | 14:04 |
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| inz | lle2, should apt-get work within sb2? | 14:18 |
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| makuchaku | My scratchbox installation is going nuts... I just installed Scratchbox 1.0.7 using maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh and the installer showed me a success message - "You now have Scratchbox 1.0.7 'apophis' release installed."... but now when I install the maemo-sdk, I get an error saying - E: Scratchbox version is too old (scratchbox-core ).E: Scratchbox version is too old (scratchbox-core ). - where am I going wrong? | 14:25 |
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| lle2 | inz: probably maybe? | 14:28 |
| lle2 | I don't know, haven't tested | 14:28 |
| lle2 | I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it didn't | 14:28 |
| bernarde | hi folks... I'm trying the "Distributing a Hello PyMaemo! application " from http://maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html, but unfortunately I'm not able to start my app from the menu | 14:28 |
| lle2 | but then again I didn't expect dpkg-buildpackage to work either | 14:28 |
| bernarde | if I run it with run-standalone.sh it works fine | 14:29 |
| bernarde | I have the .desktop, .service, and the icon, all in the right place. There is an entry in the menu, but when I click it shows the "loading" msg and nothing happens | 14:30 |
| inz | lle2, it didn't seem to work when I tried at least (used the system source dir etc) | 14:35 |
| inz | -dir+list | 14:35 |
| ptman | inz: for me apt-get works inside scratchbox | 14:37 |
| inz | ptman, sure it does, but we're talking scratchbox2 here | 14:37 |
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| lle2 | inz: yup, might need some additional special mappings | 14:43 |
| lle2 | if you look at redir_scripts/preload/ (in the source tree) you will see how the mappings are done | 14:43 |
| lle2 | inz: especially the 10_basic_chains.lua is interesting in this case | 14:44 |
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| lle2 | basically you could instruct sb2 to map individual files from /etc for apt-get & co | 14:44 |
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| lle2 | like /etc/apt/sources.list -> $buildroot/etc/apt/sources.list | 14:46 |
| lle2 | and stuff | 14:46 |
| lle2 | inz: you can start sb2 with --verbose option, it'll spit all file access and mappings to $buildroot/sb2_mappings.log | 14:49 |
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| Mr_Dunha | \whois Mr_Dunha | 14:53 |
| jku__ | bit of an identity problem there, huh? | 14:54 |
| lle2 | yeah, not many know who they are, why they are here and where they are going | 14:54 |
| chibiAcyd | how hard would it be to port gftp? | 14:56 |
| lle2 | ./configure && make && make install? | 14:56 |
| chibiAcyd | i need to get my linux box up and running again | 14:57 |
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| keesj | chibiAcyd: search on the wiki there was gui based ftp client. | 15:00 |
| keesj | perhaps also that opera handles ftp? | 15:00 |
| chibiAcyd | kk | 15:00 |
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| chibiAcyd | i have this overpowering feeling of laziness lol. probably because i've been awake over 24 hours | 15:01 |
| inz | lle2, does the "binary" match the whole path of a binary or just the binary name? | 15:02 |
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| lle2 | inz: just the binary name | 16:04 |
| inz | lle2, d0h: apt has some nice helpers, named gzip, bzip2, file... | 16:06 |
| inz | lle2, although, they just might be used via pipes, then it wouldn't matter | 16:07 |
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| lle2 | inz: yeah, you better make as simple rule as possible and just give it a shot ;) | 16:39 |
| lle2 | many many things have worked by simply not worrying about them too much | 16:39 |
| inz | lle2, I did already try to make simple things and complicated things, both of which miserably failed... | 16:41 |
| lle2 | oh | 16:41 |
| lle2 | have you used --verbose to look at what files it wants? | 16:41 |
| lle2 | and from which processes? | 16:41 |
| inz | --verbose seems to do nothing | 16:41 |
| lle2 | the sb2_mapping.log is empty? | 16:42 |
| lle2 | in the buildroot dir? | 16:42 |
| lle2 | it certainly works for me | 16:42 |
| inz | ah, I though it would've spammed me, that's what verbose usually does | 16:42 |
| lle2 | that wouldn't work at all | 16:42 |
| inz | true | 16:42 |
| lle2 | you get something like 150MB of crap from a simple build | 16:42 |
| lle2 | and it would break many build systems | 16:43 |
| lle2 | that rely on weird piping | 16:43 |
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| inz | w00, it started working! | 16:51 |
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| lle2 | inz: great! | 17:03 |
| inz | lle2, but dpkg cannot install packages... =/ | 17:03 |
| inz | lle2, apt-get works however ;) | 17:03 |
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| inz | Hmm, I really think something is wrong | 17:13 |
| inz | my dpkg is eating 117m memory | 17:13 |
| inz | and counting | 17:13 |
| inz | Without working dpkg there's not much I can do with sb2, I'm afraid... | 17:14 |
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| * Jaffa sighs at the latest comment on https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=953 - "bigger rewrite" sounds like the kind of decision which led to osso-email pain :-/ | 17:24 | |
| zyxulnaga | does anyone know who do i contact when i finish modifying xterm to support bigger scrollback? | 17:25 |
| zyxulnaga | as an option that is | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | inz has been doing the most xterm hacking, but didn't do the original version | 17:26 |
| zyxulnaga | oh ok | 17:26 |
| zyxulnaga | mine will be a simple patch really | 17:26 |
| zyxulnaga | an option that allows to change the scrollback size | 17:26 |
| inz | zyxul, if it is against the maemo-hackers version, you can send the patch to me. | 17:30 |
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| Rafael_bh | i have installed maemo bora in my fedora core 6 but when i type af-sb-init.sh start my Xephyr crashs | 17:51 |
| Rafael_bh | somebody know this problem? | 17:52 |
| melmoth | if i were on fedora, i think i would give the vmware image dedicated to maemo developpment a try | 17:54 |
| melmoth | instead of going threw the pain of having everything working on fedora (i just dont want to imagine how to create .deb on a rpm platform :) ) | 17:54 |
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| melmoth | Rafael_bh: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 17:55 |
| Rafael_bh | tanks | 17:59 |
| Rafael_bh | make sense | 17:59 |
| kulve | Rafael_bh: I compile on SB and run on device | 17:59 |
| Rafael_bh | ok | 18:02 |
| Rafael_bh | i downloading.. :) | 18:02 |
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| Tenkawa | which arm target in sb is ideal for the n800? | 18:28 |
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| kender | hi | 18:30 |
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| kulve | Tenkawa: arm target? Do you mean qemu? Or what.. | 18:39 |
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| Tenkawa | kulve: when I create a target in sb-menu | 18:41 |
| Tenkawa | not sure which one I should use of the arm choices | 18:42 |
| kulve | about the toolchains? | 18:43 |
| Tenkawa | yea | 18:44 |
| kulve | cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm | 18:44 |
| ptman | in case someone is interested, I put out a public release of maemo-google-reader | 18:50 |
| Tenkawa | thank ya | 18:51 |
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| ptman | I can't seem to login to test.maemo.org | 18:58 |
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| Tenkawa | is cpu transparency required to just compile apps? | 19:03 |
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| Tenkawa | sweet | 19:06 |
| Tenkawa | pork: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped | 19:06 |
| Tenkawa | my first arm cross compile | 19:06 |
| Tenkawa | now for something a bit more complex | 19:08 |
| kulve | cpu transparency is required in practice. configure runs tests it needs something to run the binaries | 19:08 |
| kulve | just choose the latest qemu-arm when creating a new target | 19:08 |
| Tenkawa | hmm.. I dont have it listed | 19:08 |
| kulve | you need to install the cpu transparency package | 19:09 |
| Tenkawa | dangit.. i typoed that | 19:09 |
| Tenkawa | heheh no wonder | 19:09 |
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| Tenkawa | that was great user erro | 19:10 |
| Tenkawa | r | 19:10 |
| Tenkawa | is there a preferref method? | 19:10 |
| Tenkawa | for the 800 | 19:11 |
| Tenkawa | arm or armeb? | 19:11 |
| ptman | can someone try to login to downloads.maemo.org or test.maemo.org ? is it working or not? | 19:11 |
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| Tak | ptman: not working for me either | 19:16 |
| ptman | thanks | 19:16 |
| Tak | hmm, netsplit or finnish quitting time? | 19:16 |
| ptman | quitting time was three hours ago, or one hour with flextime that lets you start working as late as 10am. That's what they use at Nokia IIRC. | 19:17 |
| Tenkawa | kulve: works much better now, thanks | 19:17 |
| kulve | np | 19:18 |
| Tenkawa | now to figure out whats broken in this configure script | 19:19 |
| Tenkawa | heh.. nm. just used generic makefile | 19:22 |
| Tenkawa | good enough :) | 19:22 |
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| Tenkawa | this is not so hard once you figure out the build environment quirks | 19:24 |
| Tenkawa | sweet | 19:26 |
| Tenkawa | sqlite 3.3.13 done :) | 19:26 |
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| lle2 | inz: hmm, sb2 might cause some memory leakage, but it shouldn't be too bad. can you send the apt mapping rule to me? I'll try to look into dpkg package installation soon, probably next weekend or so | 19:33 |
| * Tenkawa works on nmap now | 19:34 | |
| ptman | Tenkawa: if the packages have to be tweaked, you should consider publishing your tweaks or even packaging them for distribution | 19:35 |
| Tak | I was under the impression that sqlite and nmap packages already existed | 19:35 |
| Tenkawa | ptman: so far none have needed any tweaks | 19:35 |
| Tenkawa | Tak: yeah.. but 1) sqlite's is way old | 19:36 |
| Tenkawa | 2) its just not as fun | 19:36 |
| Tenkawa | the other problem I've been having is that these packages are spread out all over the place | 19:37 |
| Tak | 3) It's not helpful to the community, since you're not helping to debug/improve the packages that everybody else is using | 19:38 |
| Tenkawa | the repositories need to be cleaner | 19:38 |
| Tenkawa | Tak: I just got this unit 3 days ago.. I got a lot of learning to do before I submit any "fixes/updates" | 19:38 |
| Tak | yeah, it would be helpful if more devs used the garage repo | 19:38 |
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| Tenkawa | I'm in "figure out what I can do with this thing" mode | 19:39 |
| Tenkawa | :) | 19:39 |
| Tenkawa | mysql is my next big project | 19:41 |
| Tenkawa | I havent seen mysql-client anywhere | 19:41 |
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| Tenkawa | cant wait to get home to test these binaries on my n800 | 19:46 |
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| Tenkawa | any of you expanded swap on your 770 or 800? | 19:47 |
| Tenkawa | I added an extra 128 meg on mine.. seems like it helps too | 19:48 |
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| * Tenkawa watches paint dry (at least thats how this compile feels | 19:56 | |
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| Andy80 | hi | 19:58 |
| Andy80 | I'm testing the new Mono package... I wrote a simple "hello world" on my machine and I put it on n770, when I execute it with "mono n770hello.exe" I get this error: The assembly mscorlib.dll was not found or could not be loaded. | 19:59 |
| Andy80 | It should have been installed in the `/usr/lib/mono/1.0/mscorlib.dll' directory. | 19:59 |
| Andy80 | how can i fix it? | 19:59 |
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| Guardian | is it possible to style a particular cell of a GtkTable from a RC file ? seems it's not :( | 20:08 |
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| Andy80 | uhm.... I'm logged with ssh into n770, dpkg seems locked :( I cannot kill it even if I'm root... how can I kill it? | 20:12 |
| ptman | kill -9 pid | 20:13 |
| tko | Guardian, GtkTable does not paint anything by itself, so no | 20:13 |
| tko | Guardian, you can pretty much theme the widget that is inside that cell, though | 20:13 |
| Guardian | yep that's what i'm discovering | 20:13 |
| Andy80 | ptman: kill -9 3112 (the dpkg pid) does nothing... | 20:14 |
| Guardian | well | 20:14 |
| Guardian | it would apply to all cells | 20:14 |
| ptman | bummer | 20:14 |
| tko | did I miss the warning about readonly wiki or something? | 20:14 |
| Guardian | i don't think you can select the cell from the widget name | 20:14 |
| Guardian | like *.GtkTable(5,4).GtkLabel for instance | 20:14 |
| tko | urgh.. food cooks up faster when put *inside* the oven | 20:15 |
| tko | Guardian, not like that, but widget "*.GtkTable.my-widget-in-the-table" | 20:15 |
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| Guardian | true | 20:16 |
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| Guardian | i guess i'll do it this way | 20:16 |
| disq | set a generated name for every widget in every cell | 20:16 |
| disq | "mylabel-<rownumber>-<colnumber>" or so | 20:16 |
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| tko | disq, let me play evil here, what about widgets that span multiple rows and/or columns? :) | 20:19 |
| disq | well you can call set_name multiple times, and only the last name will stick. not a problem :P | 20:20 |
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| Tenkawa | yay | 20:45 |
| Tenkawa | mysql compiled!! | 20:45 |
| Tenkawa | will see if I can use the cli tonight | 20:45 |
| myren | oh dear god | 20:46 |
| myren | i hope you have a keyboard | 20:46 |
| myren | for your sake | 20:46 |
| Tenkawa | no.. I'm a fast writer though | 20:46 |
| myren | OH speaking of which -- keybaord recommendations? | 20:46 |
| * myren is about to place a newegg order | 20:46 | |
| Tenkawa | myren: every bt kb I've found is horribly expensive | 20:46 |
| * Tenkawa looks for the next app to compile that he needs | 20:47 | |
| myren | actually what i really want is a twiddler2 with BT | 20:47 |
| myren | but that is REALLY REALLY expensive | 20:47 |
| * Tenkawa curses at there being no teamspeak arm client *laugh* | 20:47 | |
| * myren lols a little | 20:47 | |
| Tenkawa | that would be an excellent n800 app | 20:48 |
| myren | its INSANE no one has built a one handed keyboard besides handkey | 20:48 |
| Tenkawa | heheehe | 20:48 |
| myren | its like 10 years old | 20:48 |
| myren | OH FUCK | 20:48 |
| glas55 | myren: frogpads.. | 20:48 |
| myren | "March 2006 marks 14 years of continuous shipping and evolution of the Twiddler." | 20:48 |
| myren | KILL ME | 20:48 |
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| myren | the frogpad isnt usable while on the go is it? | 20:49 |
| Tenkawa | even though its useless to me I'm going to test lighttpd on the 800 when I get home | 20:49 |
| myren | thats the main thing i want -- a keybaord i can use while walking aroun | 20:49 |
| glas55 | nope.. frogpads look like stationary use | 20:50 |
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| myren | theres a couple of pictures with some guy rubber banding it to his arm | 20:56 |
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| tzz | tenkawa: have you checked the apple BT keyboard? $60-$70 I think. | 20:59 |
| tzz | I like it, it works very well with the N800. | 21:00 |
| tzz | it's definitely not portable though. | 21:00 |
| Tenkawa | tzz: ooh.. havent seen that | 21:01 |
| Tenkawa | I could use that on my other 2 boxes (1 mac one pc) | 21:02 |
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| Tenkawa | any recommendations on a spare/secondary battery | 21:02 |
| Tenkawa | any 3rd party ones or do I need to stick with nokia's? | 21:02 |
| Tenkawa | yikes | 21:03 |
| Tenkawa | that kb is down to 59$ | 21:03 |
| Tenkawa | think I'll be going to the apple store | 21:03 |
| tzz | yeah, I am surprised how expensive the other BT keyboards are, considering the Apple one is so nice. Must be licensing issues or corporate greed. | 21:03 |
| tzz | I don't have a spare battery, but I did get a $10 charger from Target at work, so I plug in at home overnight and at work during the day. | 21:04 |
| Tenkawa | heh or both | 21:04 |
| tzz | best thing about the Apple keyboard: my 1 year old daughter loves to bang on it, so I just turn it off and she's entertained. It's a toy AND a tool. | 21:05 |
| Tenkawa | heh | 21:05 |
| nelson | myren: http://blog.russnelson.com/chordite/ | 21:06 |
| Tenkawa | will be nice to use it on my ibook and my n800 | 21:06 |
| Tenkawa | close the ibook.. sit tne n800 on it and type away | 21:06 |
| nelson | Tenkawa: you can get a bt qwerty keyboard for $100 | 21:07 |
| Tenkawa | I'd rather have an apple | 21:07 |
| Tenkawa | I mostly use macs | 21:07 |
| Tenkawa | nelson: and why pay 100$ when I can get one for 59$ | 21:07 |
| nelson | Tenkawa: because the $100 ones fold in half. | 21:07 |
| Tenkawa | bah | 21:07 |
| Tenkawa | mobile I'll just use stylus | 21:07 |
| Tenkawa | being one handed I type on that kb pretty damn fast already | 21:08 |
| nelson | Tenkawa: fair enuf. | 21:08 |
| Tenkawa | :) | 21:08 |
| Tenkawa | afk... time to wrap up the day | 21:09 |
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| myren | time to cruise newegg for bt keyboards | 21:37 |
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| maddler | hi all! | 22:07 |
| tzz | hello | 22:09 |
| myren | hi hi | 22:11 |
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| guerby | hmmm sb2 is complicated... | 22:25 |
| lle2 | guerby: yeah, but you're the first real test user I've had for it ;) | 22:29 |
| guerby | lle2, and you got a real noob :) | 22:30 |
| suihkulokki | guerby: it's much more compact and simple than sb1 | 22:30 |
| guerby | lle2, any idea of why gcc hello could be not working anymore? | 22:30 |
| lle2 | guerby: that's perfectly fine :) that way I learn what are the things you hit | 22:30 |
| lle2 | guerby: I just sent you an email | 22:30 |
| guerby | lle2, so cd has some importance | 22:31 |
| lle2 | yup, at the moment | 22:31 |
| lle2 | $PWD needs to be the buildroot, otherwise it won't start right | 22:32 |
| lle2 | after that you can move around freely | 22:32 |
| guerby | lle2, ok hello works again :) | 22:33 |
| lle2 | good :) | 22:33 |
| guerby | wow I have a gnome popup telling me that the program "touch" closed unexpectedly :) :) | 22:33 |
| guerby | config.status: executing po/stamp-it commands | 22:34 |
| guerby | touch configure-stamp | 22:34 |
| guerby | make: *** [configure-stamp] Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 22:34 |
| guerby | make: *** Deleting file `configure-stamp' | 22:34 |
| lle2 | wtf? :=) | 22:34 |
| lle2 | haha | 22:34 |
| lle2 | right, I think I've heard about this | 22:34 |
| lle2 | you're on Ubuntu? | 22:34 |
| guerby | lle2, yes feisty looks like it's the SB2 touch that got a core dump | 22:35 |
| guerby | [SB2] guerby@pc2 ~/work/maemo/tmp/maemo-mapper-1.4.3 $ touch toto | 22:35 |
| guerby | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 22:35 |
| lle2 | great | 22:35 |
| lle2 | hmm | 22:35 |
| lle2 | which touch? | 22:35 |
| s-ndh-c | hm my ssh session to the device seems to freeze or hang sometimes | 22:35 |
| guerby | lle2 touch works outside DB2 | 22:36 |
| lle2 | guerby: run "which touch"? | 22:36 |
| guerby | SB2 | 22:36 |
| s-ndh-c | but i i initiate some other network connection from the device like browsing a website it works again | 22:36 |
| s-ndh-c | is that a known problem? | 22:36 |
| guerby | [SB2] guerby@pc2 ~/work/maemo/tmp/maemo-mapper-1.4.3 $ type touch | 22:36 |
| guerby | touch is /usr/bin/touch | 22:36 |
| guerby | [SB2] guerby@pc2 ~/work/maemo/tmp/maemo-mapper-1.4.3 $ file /usr/bin/touch | 22:36 |
| guerby | /usr/bin/touch: symbolic link to `/bin/touch' | 22:36 |
| guerby | [SB2] guerby@pc2 ~/work/maemo/tmp/maemo-mapper-1.4.3 $ file /bin/touch | 22:36 |
| guerby | /bin/touch: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 22:36 |
| s-ndh-c | that never happened with the previous itos2006 images | 22:36 |
| s-ndh-c | only with the latest | 22:37 |
| lle2 | guerby: uhhuh | 22:37 |
| guerby | lle2, surprising | 22:37 |
| lle2 | guerby: yeah, it's quite possibly the simplest of them all | 22:37 |
| derf | s-ndh-c: Yes, it's a known problem. | 22:38 |
| derf | Well, "feature", maybe. | 22:38 |
| derf | But it certainly happens to me, and I've seen other people complain about it. | 22:38 |
| lle2 | guerby: I'll take a look at that tomorrow, you're essentially at the same point as daniels | 22:38 |
| lle2 | guerby: something that ubuntu does but debian doesn't | 22:38 |
| guerby | lle2, ah I'm not alone :) | 22:38 |
| lle2 | guerby: no, if that makes you feel any better ;) | 22:39 |
| derf | I wrote a little program that, among other things, pings a host occaisionally while the device is plugged in to the charger. | 22:39 |
| s-ndh-c | derf: the only changes in the new image seem to be something with better wireless experience, but that doesnt seem to be an improvement:) | 22:39 |
| derf | I assume it's related to power management. | 22:39 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe its openssh specific or is it the same with dropbear? | 22:39 |
| lle2 | guerby: it can't be anything too complicated, hell, it's only touch ;) | 22:40 |
| guerby | lle2, :) | 22:40 |
| derf | It's not program-specific at all. | 22:40 |
| derf | It simply stops listening for incoming data after a while of not sending outgoing data. | 22:40 |
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| guerby | lle2, I can program another one :) | 22:40 |
| lle2 | guerby: heh, yeah, but it's nice that it manifests in such a simple case, very easy to debug | 22:41 |
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| derf | (the best part is that _receiving_ data does not reset whatever timeout it is that makes this happen) | 22:41 |
| lle2 | guerby: I'd hate it if it only showed up in something like perl | 22:41 |
| guerby | lle2 :) :) | 22:42 |
| tzz | lle2: is there any way to run SB on a Mac, or do I need to use Parallels or something like it to make a virtual x86 machine with Debian? | 22:42 |
| derf | s-ndh-c: http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb <- see if this solves your problem. | 22:43 |
| tzz | I'm losing my Debian machine, only Macs allowed now at work :( | 22:43 |
| s-ndh-c | derf: i have that on my n770 not n800 | 22:43 |
| derf | Oh, that's a problem. | 22:44 |
| s-ndh-c | i dont even have a n800 :) | 22:44 |
| derf | I have no idea if it compiles, or works on, an N770. | 22:44 |
| derf | Since I don't have one. | 22:44 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe | 22:44 |
| lle2 | tzz: on osx, probably no, on a ppc debian, sb2 should be possible | 22:44 |
| Tenkawa | well so far all my compiles have worked | 22:44 |
| Tenkawa | mysql is the big test | 22:45 |
| derf | Tenkawa: But you're compiling stuff that was not written for one of these devices specifically. | 22:45 |
| Tenkawa | nope | 22:45 |
| lle2 | tzz: it's not supported at the moment, but there are not too many x86/amd64 specific things, just some elf header parsing to detect host binaries from the target ones | 22:45 |
| derf | That program is listening to dbus messages to detect when the adapter is plugged in and unplugged, and then changing gconf settings to update the display brightness and screen blanking timeouts. | 22:46 |
| tzz | thanks lle2 | 22:46 |
| derf | All of which is completely undocumented, so I have no idea if it's the same on a 770. | 22:46 |
| derf | For an added bonus, the version of dbus on even the 800 is ancient, from before the API was stabilized. | 22:47 |
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| Tenkawa | is xephyr the ui app builder? | 22:52 |
| s-ndh-c | xephyr is a nested xserver like xnest atleast that what i think | 22:53 |
| Tenkawa | ahh | 22:54 |
| Tenkawa | hmm I need to find a ui tutorial for the 800 | 22:54 |
| s-ndh-c | i wonder why they removed it from the 3.0 rootstrap | 22:54 |
| s-ndh-c | or am i just blind? | 22:54 |
| derf | They had Xephyr in the rootstrap?! | 22:54 |
| derf | It's supposed to be provided by the external system. | 22:55 |
| Tenkawa | hmm | 22:56 |
| Tenkawa | library issues | 22:57 |
| Tenkawa | some bins work | 22:57 |
| Tenkawa | others dont :( | 22:57 |
| Tenkawa | ahhh | 22:59 |
| Tenkawa | only affects my sd cards bins | 23:00 |
| Tenkawa | movem internal and it works fine | 23:00 |
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| derf | That's not reasurring. | 23:00 |
| Tenkawa | must have execute bit turned off on the external cards | 23:01 |
| Tenkawa | testing | 23:03 |
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| Tenkawa | much better | 23:07 |
| Tenkawa | nmapfe works like a charm | 23:07 |
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| Tenkawa | mysql client works :) | 23:11 |
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