IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-03-07

derfdragorn: You can select which pieces you want to flash.00:00
derfRun the flasher with no args for help.00:01
dragornthanks.  Hadn't found anything definitive with google yet.00:01
dragornThe only thing I'd found was a bootloader flasher that run on the device itself00:02
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dragornderf: yeah that did the trick.00:26
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Unique311possible with the n800?01:17
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glas55sidewindow seems ppc only01:20
glas55of course, you could probably hack something together01:20
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jaebirdI use an 8GB SDHC card in my N800 with no problems at all. (kernel support is needed however)04:53
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myrenwhat brand?05:18
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Unique311seling for 11005:25
Unique311ot bad05:26
[mbm]doesn't seem like that long ago that my desktop systems in total was less than 8G05:27
Unique311remember a couple of months ago i was planning to get a 4gb...8gb reasonable price05:27
Unique311i started oout with 40gb05:28
Unique311wonder if im going to feel like u do in a couple of years if not months mbm05:29
[mbm]we're getting to the point where terrabyte desktop systems aren't that unusual05:30
jaebirdmyren: ADATA Class 2 from newegg.com05:30
jaebird~$72.00 US shipped05:31
Unique311good price05:31
jaebirdthat is what I thought...seeing as I got a 2GB for 60 less than 6 months ago!05:32
Unique3116 months is a while ago05:33
chibiAcydlol, my  n800 seems so tiny since most of my systems in house have atleast 2tb05:33
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Unique311whats 6 months in computer age?05:33
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chibiAcydtechnology doubles 4-6 months05:34
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JoshTriplettMy n800 locks up on the boot screen, when the progress bar reaches the top, and I have to remove the battery to get it to shut off.  I can sometimes get it to boot, by plugging in the power first and booting from there, which sometimes skips the progress screen and goes straight to the home screen.  With it booted, how could I go about diagnosing the boot failures?05:35
jaebirddo you have dropbear server?05:35
JoshTriplettjaebird: Yes.05:35
jaebirdthere was a bad update yesterday05:35
[mbm]update it to the latest05:35
jaebirdyou need to update again05:35
JoshTriplettjaebird: Oh?  Cool.05:35
JoshTriplettjaebird: Thanks.05:35
jaebirdi did not realize it till it was too late for my flashing finger!05:36
jaebirdthought it was canola screwing up again :|05:36
JoshTriplettWhy does booting from the charge screen bypass it?05:36
jaebirdit is looking for random just mash the keys like a wild man05:37
JoshTriplettWill movement on the screen work?05:37
jaebirdmine only bypassed it once...then I restarted05:37
jaebirddon't think the ui is loaded yet05:37
[mbm]random data is generated based on when interrupts occur05:37
JoshTriplettLet me guess; it pulls from /dev/random rather than /dev/urandom?05:37
[mbm]JoshTriplett: yep05:38
jaebirdsomething like that05:38
[mbm]the update switches it to urandom05:38
JoshTriplettAnd does so on every boot for some reason?05:38
jaebirdwhat mbm said05:38
jaebirdit on the ML05:38
jaebirdwhat I05:38
[mbm]hmm .. could have sworn worked in the n800 browser last week05:38
chibiAcyddid the om-weather reboot problem get fixed yet?05:39
jaebirdwhat i'd like is for the backup to _really_ backup!05:39
* [mbm] wonders if mobuzz updated or if his n800 broke05:39
JoshTriplettjaebird: Yeah, seconded.  You can customize it to fix that, but it should do so by default...05:39
* JoshTriplett reboots after updating...05:39
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jaebirdi'm loving the tomiko sudoko clone...lots of time wasted for me05:40
JoshTriplettYay, it worked!05:40
JoshTriplettjaebird, [mbm]: thank you.05:40
jaebirdno prob...05:41
JoshTriplettNow I just need to figure out why the dhcp client sometimes fails to send the hostname to my DHCP/DNS server, so I can't reach it by name, only by IP.05:41
jaebirdI finally put some tape on my battery so that I can get it out easier05:41
JoshTriplettjaebird: Heh.05:42
[mbm]remember that silver tab that was stuck to the screen? I use that for my battery05:42
jaebirdmbm: good idea05:43
[mbm]I'm used t a very similar tab already being on those types of batteries05:43
jaebirdnot sure why they didn't put a ribbon in there to begin with...05:44
chibiAcydi just tap the corner with my finger and it pops the battery out05:45
[mbm]I've crashed my n800 several times to the point I needed to remove the battery05:45
[mbm](usually my fault)05:46
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jaebirdi've been doing that but g-forces is one thing that can shorten the life of LI batts05:46
[mbm]not particularly fond of shaking the thing until the battery falls out05:46
jaebirdit just seems like a cleaner solution to _pull_ the battery out05:46
* [mbm] has the power button mapped to softoff or menu05:47
[mbm]which mkes it rather hard to turn off in a crash05:47
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jaebirdeven a dip switch inside the battery compartment would be more convenient05:48
Unique311[mbm], you spoke of a sensor app earlier05:49
Unique311a monitor05:49
[mbm]Unique311: I say many things, you'll have to do better to describe it05:49
[mbm]mmc sensors? temp sensor?05:50
Unique311monitor temperature of the cpu05:50
Unique311that was it05:50
[mbm]yeah there's a tmp105 chip hidden somewhere on the board05:50
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[mbm]you can look at /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0048/temp1_input05:51
[mbm]if you feel like playing where's waldo -
chibiAcydtoo hard to look at on the n800 itself05:54
chibiAcydi hope when skype comes out that it will support the video/voip05:57
chibiAcydhas anyone taken a look inside the camera barrel yet?06:00
chibiAcydcause a white spot-led would be nice since the camera is inoperable in low light06:03
[mbm]hide an ir blaster somewhere06:03
myrenjust strobe data to the IrDA06:04
[mbm]you've never heard of illuminating with ir?06:04
myrendude, his face has crazy frequency patterns at 56k!06:04
chibiAcydi have, my security cam does that06:04
chibiAcydi nees to work on the wordpress hack tomorrow06:06
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* [mbm] guesses that the tmp105 is burried under one of the other chips; probably the cpu06:16
chibiAcydif someone wants to buy me a bga soldering arm i'd be willing to look lol06:20
[mbm]can of duster and an open terminal would tell you the same thing06:21
chibiAcydi'm out of canned air06:21
myrenwhat is the appropriate way to mount a bga?  robotic part picker & heat bath?06:26
chibiAcydpretty much06:27
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[mbm]damn bluetooth is always turning itself on after a reboot06:43
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Markovhas this been compiled for n800?06:51
Markovor maemo06:51
Markovis there a way to record audio with the n800?06:52
Takisn't there a 'maemo recorder' in extras?06:56
dragornmaemo uses alsa, so I'd expect recording to be pretty standard.  Of course, I say expect with no testing at all06:56
MarkovTak: I don't see anything like that in extras06:57
Takone sec06:57
myrenyou must be shiitting me06:57
* myren remembers sphinx206:57
myrensphinx was some scarry software a long time ago06:57
Markovmyren: ?? is it crap?06:57
myrenno, but you generally have to have had built the software to ahve any idea of how to use it06:58
Markovthis would be super cool to have compiled for maemo06:59
Tak     500 mistral/free Packages06:59
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Prez_trying out my new n800!08:26
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disqmorning (nothing like having read the whole irc backlog via the maemo irclog archive from bed)08:29
Prez_any suggestions 4 must have stuff on n800?08:30
Prez_what is it?08:31
disqit lets you browse google maps and cache them, also gps integration08:32
* [mbm] learning all about crashing the dsp :/08:33
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Prez_wow, i have a garmin gps, definetly will check it out08:33
disqPrez_: check the maemo garage for apps. also the applicationcatalog2006 in, though it's kinda outdated08:33
[mbm]if you want to be a geek, the first thing you do is enable redpill and rd modes08:34
Prez_i use my linux pc with gnokii to send sms messages, anything like that 4 n800?08:34
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disqthe applicationcatalog2006 is for IT2006 (that's nokia 770) but most of the apps work with the IT2007 (that's what n800 runs) fine08:34
bergiedisq: how does using this instead sound?
disqbergie: it sounds like missing .install files :)08:35
Prez_im at now..08:35
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Prez_any recommendation 4 audio/video server y can control via browser from n800?  i use slimserver, now looking to stream video too..08:38
Prez_wanna control all from n800 :-)08:39
disqI use mediaplayerclassic as the player on my htpc, it has a web interface :)08:39
disqPrez_: also check forums08:39
[mbm]vlc has a http page if you enable it08:39
Prez_ok, will do08:40
Prez_ok guys gotta crash.. will be.coming back, thanks 4 tips..08:42
disq:) cya (and have fun)08:43
disqerm. with the n800.08:43
Prez_hehe.. u too..08:43
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disqwhat's with people and cisco fanboyness? cisco ap's are outdated, not to mention slow web ui09:14
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disqwould prefer a 200mhz broadcom ap (preferably running openwrt) any day09:15
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acydlordi'm running ddwrt09:15
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tigertstill sick :P09:18
tigertflu sucks09:18
disqah, sorry to hear that man09:19
acydlordi'm glad i have a good immune system09:19
acydlordi've neverhad the joy of having the flu09:20
[mbm]I've accepted the fact I tend to feel like crap even on a good day09:20
disqi specifically hate the kind when one of your eyes get all watered up? what's that called, eye flu?09:21
disqso who wants to hildonize rdesktop :P09:25
disqit's possibly ~20 hours work provided you have experience with X11/GDK09:25
disqmaybe even 10 :)09:26
[mbm]you know, I'm learning way more than I ever wanted to about the n800's dsp chip :P09:27
[mbm]DSP load info: 10ms average =   0.31% 1sec average = 655.03%  busiest 10ms =   4.90% 1min average =  21.83%  busiest 1s   = 655.21%09:28
[mbm]hmm irssi screwed that up09:29
disqnothing like using an irc client that's last updated 10 years ago (yep that's me)09:29
spaetz[mbm]: feel free to improve the ogg side of things there :-)09:29
[mbm]spaetz: someone would need to have a windows machine with the ti compiler and write a custom codec09:30
disqogg side kinda falls under dsp programming or gstreamer optimization, no?09:30
[mbm]spaetz: but if you know such a person, the whole api is documented :P09:30
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[mbm]I just love how my dsp's load is 655%09:31
[mbm]mostly because it's crashed09:32
disqhow do you read it09:32
[mbm]cat /sys/devices/platform/dsp/loadinfo09:33
disq1sec average = 543.17% busiest 10ms = 100.00%09:33
disqhow's that09:33
disq10ms average = 420.43%09:33
[mbm]I have yet to look at that when my dsp is actually idle09:33
disqand i'm browsing thru strings in osso-media-server09:34
disqlawyer love.09:34
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[mbm]also fun to look at mblog in the same dir09:36
disqthat's interesting.. osso-media-server reads what to do with the content-type from gconf09:38
disqand stuff like that09:39
[mbm]yeah saw that09:39
[mbm]there was some divx stuff in there too09:40
acydlorddo any of the gstreamer packages for mplayer add xvid support?09:41
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disqheh.. again, it reads the volume level it should play from gconf, /apps/osso/osso-music-player/volume (and mute)09:42
disqso it's possible there's no real api to control the media server09:43
disqand i was expecting fancy dbus support09:43
[mbm]noticed that when I crashed the dsp, the master volume stayed but the internet radio volume was at max09:45
disqi guess it's time for a new enh in bugzilla09:46
[mbm]wonder what the chances are of a flash player update09:50
disqit's known that the internal firmware build plays flash videos much better. so it's rumorable that they also updated it? :P09:51
[mbm]just finding less sites support flash709:51
disq vote if you're interested (ooh, spam)09:55
[mbm]hmm backlight flickers a bit when the system is busy09:58
[mbm]actually seems to be a side effect of being on the charger10:01
[mbm]ok, enough screwing with the dsp .. doesn't seem to be a good way to bootstrap it once it's hung10:03
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acydlordbah, the bluetooth headset i was trying to use for this mod sucks10:27
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cosmo_should the built-in voip software work with gizmo server?10:32
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tigertthere is a gizmo client for maemo10:37
tigertso maybe it doesnt, since if it did, one wouldnt need that?10:37
sxperttigert, which unfortunately can only be used with gizmo servers...10:39
ptmansxpert: I thought gizmo had SIP support?10:39
sxpertyes, but the client appears locked10:39
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ptmangizmo crashed on me if I used anything else audio-related10:40
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cosmo_tigert: the built-in client seems better, as it can set presence automatically when connected to internet10:43
tigertand it doesnt need to run the voip app all the time10:44
tigertjust the backend is there10:44
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cosmo_i was just thinking, should i use some other server than if i use the built-in client?10:47
JaffaMorning, all10:48
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Guard][anis it possible to early test GtkBuilder ??? google doen't help much here :/10:53
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VeggenI kind of like getting apps/communication to enter the builtin things. I find the builtin things to be quite good at doing what it does, etc...11:02
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VeggenSo - I don't use gaim, for example. I prefer to use the jabber<-><something>-gateway mechanism. That way,I get everything into my jabber client.11:04
ptmancosmo_: you seem to be using the right server, as far as I can tell11:04
Veggen....and when here, I even use bitlbee ---> everything into my IRC client ;-)11:04
ptmanVeggen: what gateway-software have you got installed and where?11:04
ptmanthat setup sounds quite cool11:04
ptmanI would like to have an optional IRC->jabber gateway, so that when I'm not at some computer, I could access my IRC via the N80011:05
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mquhi. do you know if mppe is included in the 3.2006.49-2 kernel?11:06
mqui'd need mppe for pptp at my university11:06
Veggenptman: IRC to jabber, I don't think there is.11:08
VeggenBut I can access jabber from my IRC.11:08
ptmanVeggen: I found a couple of IRC to jabber proxies, haven't just had time to check them out11:08
ptmanso they definately exist11:08
Veggenptman: If you have jabber, and your jabber-server supports it, there is ways to access AIM/yahoo/whatever-IM through jabber.11:09
VeggenI use that, to get notifications for everything well integrated into my N800.11:09
acydlordi did jabber through jaim.at11:10
Veggengaim is fair enough, but not as well integrated.11:10
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acydlordbut it send add requests for every buddy11:10
acydlorddrove me nuts11:10
AD-N770good morning11:10
acydlordand the stock jabber client doesnt tell you who is online on the other protocols11:10
ptmanwhat jabber server do you use then? I'd mostly like to have one account to connect to, that connects me to MSN, several other jabber servers and IRC11:10 has the protocol tunnels for just about everything11:11
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cosmo_i didn't find information for irc gateway there11:16
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c0ffeei wonder how difficult it was to use the icq implementation from gaim and write a telepathy connector for it11:20
c0ffeethat should be ideal11:20
maddlergooooooooooooooooooood moooooooooooooooooorning maemo!11:21
* c0ffee . o O (drugs?)11:22
* Knirch . o O (coffee?)11:22
[mbm]. o (bad movie references?)11:22
zuhIt's a good movie!11:28
zuh(though I don't remember the name or the plot, just that it was vietnam and the above ;)11:28
acydlordand it had that bear robin williams11:29
[mbm]zuh: it was actually called "good morning vietnam"11:32
[mbm]and technically I was pointing out that it was a bad reference11:32
[mbm]maddler: battery dead again?11:33
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disq:) morning man11:39
disqvote bug 1125 ftw :p11:40
disqalso, nokia people seem quiet on the lists today. flu epidemic?11:40
[mbm]hmm reminds me, I never read the maemo lists11:44
[mbm]should probably post my suspend stuff there one of these days11:44
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maddler[mbm]: didn't tried :)11:48
disq[mbm]: in fact why don't you do it right now? you'll probably get valuable info from nokians11:48
[mbm]disq: hmm -dev?11:48
maddler[mbm]: yep...11:48
maddlerbest place...11:48
maddlerbtw... ggod morning vietnam was a great movie...11:49
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disqi agree11:50
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disqwonder if tomorrow/friday is the day for the new firmware12:03
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maddlerdisq: that would be nice...12:04
maddlerhaving the whole weekend to install and fix...12:05
acydlordit would be nice to get a new firmware on my bday lol12:06
maddleracydlord: only if you send cake to everyone of us! :D12:07
acydlordlol, i prolly wont even get any cake myself :(12:07
disqboot from the real linux (not vmware) on my htpc, flash it, if necessary set some flags, then try to guess the bootmenu blind (tv won't display textmode) fail and bring the 15" crt to the living room just to boot again from windows. yeah. a weekend should cover it12:08
disq(or i could just install the ntfs-rw stuff and edit boot.ini and set the default back to windows)12:08
disqof course the ideal would be to get the usb working in vmware12:09
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maddlerdisq: hehe12:10
maddlerhave fun! :D12:10
disqthough i could also connect the tv via tvout and not vga, then textmode should work?12:10
acydlordmy tv has an hdmi port12:11
disqmine have two but i don't have the cable, using a vga cable to get 720p12:11
acydlordi have a dvi->hdmi adapter thing12:12
disqbut the cpu can't handle 720p h264 decoding so i'm stuck with HR rips :p12:12
acydlordi'll tell you what sucks for a media center pc12:13
acydlordamd geode series12:13
soleblazegeode sucks for everything12:14
acydlordgeode is decent for desktop workstation12:14
soleblazewhich is why they closed the building where it's developed and laid off most of the workers12:14
acydlordi'm actually on a geode powered system right now lol12:14
soleblazeweird :p12:14
soleblazedo you know if amd is actually discontinuing the geode?12:15
soleblaze(the main geode dev center was next door to where I work)12:15
acydlordnot sure, i think they were switching to the opteron based embedded chips12:15
disq(heh i keep geode as geocode)12:15
disqs/keep/keep reading/12:15
acydlordi think the main purchaser of the geode was frys electronics12:16
acydlordfor their cheap barebones kits12:16
soleblazeWe got a person or two who was working there12:16
soleblazethey had that toy plasic looking thing12:16
soleblazethat never took off12:16
acydlordi actually bought one of those peice of chit GQ series comps12:17
soleblazeI was pretty interested in the geode awhile back..but it never took off12:17
acydlordended up shelling about $1k in to it and now i use it as a desktop system12:17
soleblazebeen watching the via mini itx stuff too12:17
acydlordit was the cheapest way i could find to get my hands on a geode system12:17
acydlordi'm interested in the new amd ati boards12:18
soleblazehaven't kept up with that12:18
soleblazehaven't kept up with via either..12:18
soleblazebut via bearly moved since two years ago12:18
acydlordshould be able to make something small and powerfull with embedded amd and ati tech12:18
disqthe only way i'll upgrade my amd barton 2500+ is if i get a core2duo. but since i don't really care about 720p, i'm not planning to12:19
soleblazewonder if I should go dumpster dive and see if they threw out any prototypes lol12:19
acydlordthey probably gave them to frys to sell with all the other factory reject parts12:19
disqiirc somebody actually recovered quite a bit of storage like that12:20
soleblazehaha, yeah..actually I think there's still some sales people left in the building12:20
soleblazeI think it's way past time for me to get anything good12:20
acydlordlol, i got about 60 486's dumpster diving before12:20
soleblazeI should'av thought of that..ah well12:20
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soleblazewould be funny..we sould our trash to them..and then I come and steal their trash12:21
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soleblazeour streets slowly becoming a graveyard of tech companies..quite a few empty buildings now12:22
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acydlordmost of arizona became like that12:23
acydlordand now places are starting to move back in12:23
soleblazeyeah.  Seagates the biggest employer in the town (longmont, co)  ..employs like 3000 people12:23
soleblazeI'm surprised how many tech companies are in colorado12:24
acydlordsame here12:24
acydlordmaybe its the nice weather12:24
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soleblazeyeah, we only got 8 feet of snow between december and january..not like new york lol12:25
acydlordlol, we actually got some snow where i live, and i live in the middle of the desert12:26
acydlordgranted it only stuck about 24 hours though lol12:26
soleblazehaha yeah, I heard about that12:26
soleblazeI'm from louisiana..snowed 3 times (if snow = 1 inch) before I moved out..first year snowed 4 feet..I hate snow lol12:27
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acydlordlol, i love snow12:27
soleblazeI'm a really crappy driver, and the snow makes it so much worse12:27
soleblazeI guess it's fine if I don't have to go out in it12:28
soleblazeso rumors of a firmware upgrade?12:29
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acydlordguess so12:29
soleblazemaybe then it won't crash when you sneeze12:30
harryFjust installed the latest maemo 3.0, run apt-get update and I'm getting errors with bsdutils 1:2.12p-4sarge1.osso212:30
soleblazeThough I think that's more something devs will fix once they move apps over12:30
harryFanyone knows a workaround?12:30
floriangood monring12:32
* harryF gives up to run maemo 3.0 on an ubuntu system and tries the vmware appliance instead12:33
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cosmo_hmm.. is there a gstreamer ogg plugin?12:44
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* inz is successfully running maemo 3.0 on 2½ ubuntu systems12:54
inzcosmo, tremor demuxes ogg and plays vorbis12:55
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inzcosmo, I think there's a generic ogg demuxer too12:55
cosmo_not in application catalog13:00
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[mbm]disq, maddler: script posted.13:04
kulveI've planned to build the ogg stuff (vorbis, tremor, ogg) and the respective gst plugins and put them in a repo after the next OS upgrade has been released..13:04
maddler[mbm]: good :)13:05
lardmanI was thinking that about the wishlist13:05
lardmanthat somethings already exist13:06
inzcosmo, I'm not sure if it has been packaged13:06
tigertinternettablettalk forum has a kaptcha in the search form13:06
inz/brick itt13:06
spaetztigert: that one is hel, isn't it?13:06
Veggenkaptcha is....wrong.13:07
tigertand I fail it13:07
tigertits too hard13:07
tigertits way way smudged and hard to see13:07
spaetzEspecially in the maemo style you cannot even see it (if I remember correctly)13:07
spaetzit's impossible to decipher for me as well13:07
tigertgot an easy one13:07
tigertbut some chars are just impossible to tell13:07
tigerthas anyone got POI icons to work in maemomapper?13:08
tigertwhere should those be?13:08
inzLet's DDoS their captcha-generator!13:08
inzSo that it causes more load than the search would13:09
disq[mbm]: great :)13:09
tigerta mockup btw13:09
[mbm]tigert: you need a kaptcha bot, those things do better at it than I do :/13:09
tigertthis geonames script is sweet :)13:09
tigert[mbm]: yeah :)13:09
[mbm]poi stuff looks cool, can't wait until it it gets integrated with plazer13:10
[mbm]guess your position pased on things like visible wifi networks13:11
* [mbm] doesn't have any bluetooth gps devices .. plazer wifi or usb host mode please ;)13:11
disqi can't wait until plazer supports visible access points and not the currently connected one13:12
disqerm, or i can, i guess13:13
tigert[mbm]: you saw bergie's script, right?13:14
tigertits linked from the flickr page13:14
tigertit currently pulls stuff from geonames.org13:14
[mbm]tigert: yeah, it was mentioned earlier13:14
tigertdisq: interesting idea13:15
tigertdisq: though I dont know if plazes can do this13:15
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tigertyou mean like "I am on this 3G connection now, but I see this wlan here.." ?13:15
disqyeah.. wlans i can't connect, etc13:16
[mbm]it should be "you're on a 3G connection, I know where you are - you're next to mbm's cellphone" ;)13:16
disqi can't meaning they're protected and/or encrypted13:16
tigertdisq: I wonder if the plazes protocol kinda works in a way that the server pokes at your routing or such?13:17
tigertor does the client just tell some stuff ?13:17
Veggenmm, I wish we had ipv6 and all the nifty stuff that comes with it (some of it backported, though). IPV6 mobility, for example. Roaming between different ip-networks! yay!13:17
disqi'm guessing the latter13:17
tigertmy point is, do you need to be connected via that connection to be able to "plaze" yourself?13:17
tigertVeggen: yeah, mobile ip or something would be good13:17
[mbm]tigert: I figured the connection was just because you weren't going to ahve the entire plazes database on your sd card13:18
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tigertyea, I havent looked into the client code13:19
[mbm]I haven't either; loaded the client, went "huh; didn't do anything" and that's as far as I got13:20
acydlordit places you by tracert and registered plazes13:21
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acydlordand by routing13:21
acydlordsay someone with a similar dns has registered their home, and your ip is a couple numbers off them with similar dns, it will say you're near their registered location13:22
disqi thought it was just submit ap mac hash and enter geo coordinates13:23
inz\o/ 10 in a row w/ ITT captcha!13:23
acydlordthats if it's a registered location13:23
cosmo_should the old maemo mapper uris work?13:23
inzThis is one of the best games ever!13:23
cosmo_for example
acydlordi was working with the placez code in perl to make a real time plazer for my website13:24
acydlordinz, what base did you use for your wordpress sqlite hack?13:24
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inzacyd, wp 2.0.9 + rd as WordPress rolls out new versions?13:27
acydlordyeah, i was looking at that13:27
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acydlordas well as a 1.0.5 wp hack that added suppord for different db types13:28
acydlordhmm, i just read that install php has an id of zero for a field, and if you set the id to 1 it kills the logic complaint13:30
tigerton the latest maemo-mapper the POI icons work again13:30
tigertthere was a bug13:30
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tigertcosmo_: click the "download" button in the map repositories dialog13:31
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cosmo_you mean the auto-download in menu?13:34
tigertin maps -> manage repositories13:38
tigertthe "Download..." button there13:38
tigertit fetches you repositories automatically13:38
cosmo_hmm, i don't have that button. maybe i have old version13:38
tigertyou do13:38
tigertupgrade :)13:38
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cosmo_weird, the maemo mapper repo does not have updated version13:42
disquse the maemo garage13:42
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tigert < this ?13:45
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cosmo_missing deps hildon-libs0 0.12.24-1 and libsqlite3-0 3.3.513:46
tigerton the .install file?13:46
cosmo_the one from garage13:46
tigertsee cosmo_ 770?13:47
tigertI mean, is this a 770?13:47
cosmo_770, 2006 edition13:47
tigertI had the same problem with firmware 2.2006.39-14. After upgrading to latest firmware (3.2006.49-2) the installation worked.13:47
tigertsays the forum13:47
cosmo_oh, there's a new firmware available.. i haven't noticed that13:48
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inzI'm still building my IT2006 packages with "mistral", just to stay away from that kind of annyoances13:57
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tigertah, that is what "gregale" is?14:09
* tigert wonders who comes up with those names14:09
disqyou don't know? :)14:10
acydlordi forgot to install the nokia flasher on windows hooking up the 770 lol14:13
tigertdisq: no :)14:17
disqi knew that mistral and bora were winds, turns out so are scirocco and gregale14:25
disqmy name suggestion for IT2007 3.1: "Willy-willy" (A tropical cyclone (with winds 33 knots or greater) in Australia)14:26
disqthough it'll probably be "Etesian" or "Contrastes" since they're going with mediterranean winds14:29
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disq"Levantera" or "Maestro" are also possible names14:31
disqetesian or contrastes could be the next (if ever) IT2006 release, levantera or maestro the new IT200714:33
disq(and now i feel like i'm talking to myself)14:33
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kkitodisq, and Tramontana?14:53
disqpossible :)14:55
disqmy money's on maestro though14:55
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maddlermaestro/maestrale should be same as mistral... IIRC15:05
disqmakes sense15:05
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JaffaAnyone (Canola-peeps, perhaps) thought of doing an "Origami Experience" launcher for Maemo?
* mgedmin gave up on Canola after the last bug
disqyeah. maybe it really liked it?15:21
disqsecond it being the track.15:21
disqi only use canola on the road. i use mediastreamer at home (before/during sleep or shortly after waking up, usually)15:22
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kkitoanyways origami devices are hw accelerated15:25
kkitographic hw accelerated15:25
kkitoif we have opengl support on the n800 we can do something similar with gtk2+cario+glitz or qt4+arthur(opengl backend)15:26
kkitoit is not plausible implement it using sdl or another low level graphic api, because all the widgets must to be implemented again....15:27
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tigertthe biggest problem is gtk and the whole boxed model15:29
tigertand when you touch something15:29
tigertthen it triggers a refresh of the whole widget hierarchy15:29
tigertjust when you dont want that15:29
kkitoi dont know why nokia choses gtk and not qt....15:30
sxpert-workkkito: because qt would have been non free in that particular use case I suppose15:30
* mgedmin likes gtk+ better15:31
k-smgedmin: that bug is really weird15:31
Jaffakkito: Canola seems to be a start in implementing a full screen pretty UI framework (however horrible it allegedly is) on top of SDL15:31
kkitosxpert-work, only non-free for commercial apps without free source code15:31
mgedmina lot of very, very weird things happen if you try to use both Canola and the Media Player at the same time15:31
k-smgedmin: but you can use MPlayer backend and be happy... you'd loose DMAP, but no big deal15:31
tigertQt isnt exactly the ideal slick eye candy sweetness in my book15:31
Jaffakkito: how would Qt help produce full screen "custom" UIs?15:32
sxpert-workkkito: which the devices have plenty of15:32
k-sJaffa: we're moving to Evas... it will bring us much power15:32
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Jaffak-s: cool15:32
tigertevas might be interesting yeah15:32
sxpert-workk-s: haha. good joke15:32
mgedmink-s: you mean I could tell Canola to use a different backend?  how?15:32
kkitoJaffa, Qt is reallyy good, good designed and c++, it is really more productive than other any linux lib api15:32
k-ssxpert-work: which joke?15:32
k-smgedmin: just install mplayer plugin package15:33
sxpert-workJaffa: for a full screen custom ui, use a gtk window and draw whatever you want on it15:33
kkitoand offcourse you can do anything using qt, look at mythtv15:33
Jaffakkito: "really good" and "good designed" don't help with eye-candy. C++ is a just a language.15:33
k-skkito: agreed!15:33
mgedminmythtv uses Qt?  I didn't know that15:33
kkitomgedmin, yes15:33
sxpert-workas long as wx<blah> isn't mentionned :D15:33
Jaffakkito: and, as sxpert-work says you can do anything you want in Gtk, so...15:34
k-sJaffa: see Zack Rusin's work15:34
kkitoJaffa, Offcourse nad using Xlib too...15:34
k-sJaffa: yes... you can, try to use GDK for something neat... you'll give up ASAP15:34
k-sJaffa: or cairo...15:34
mgedminhave you seen macslow's bling demo?15:35
JaffaThere've been a number of people here or on maemo-developers say "It's so *stupid* that Nokia didn't use Qt" without explaining *why* Qt is so much better. It's just developer personal opinion.15:35
sxpert-workk-s: I use cairo inside ONE gtk window for my carpc stuff.15:35
k-sJaffa: I have a blog entry on why GLib sucks15:35
k-sJaffa: if you want I can write why Qt is better suited15:35
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* Jaffa doesn't care that much, TBH ;-). AFAICS, the problems with Maemo wouldn't be solved in any way by the use of Qt over GTK15:37
kkitoJaffa, if you take a llok at the qt source code... you'll see that it has a really good enginiered design... one of the most elegants that i ever see on a UI graphical api15:37
k-sJaffa: Qt provides full featured bluetooth classes (connection to headsets? act as a handsfree?), it provides OpenGL/ES and OpenVG,. ...15:38
sxpert-workkkito: but the default themes look like shit :D15:38
kkitosorry for my english :)15:38
k-ssxpert-work: so as gtk themes... or do you think clearlooks is the default theme?15:38
kkitosxpert-work, i agree, but qt4 has some nice themes15:38
kkitoclearlooks is a default theme on qt4 ;)15:39
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sxpert-workk-s: whoever came with keramik should be shot :D15:39
jameyQt is a graphical toolkit, what is it doing providing bluetooth?15:39
Jaffak-s: eh? why would I want Bluetooth connectivity in a GUI library, or is it trying to be an "application framework" for any conceivable application?15:39
k-ssxpert-work: kernamik is KDE theme, not qt15:39
sxpert-workk-s: yeah, well...15:40
k-sjamey: no, it's a framework, it provides non-gui resources15:40
Jaffak-s: So kkito's Qt compile can take advantage of the OpenGL/ES and OpenVG hardware (whatever it was) in the N800? I thought there was a lack of drivers, not userland gizmos to use it.15:40
sxpert-workk-s: the special qmake hacks and stuff are totally braindead...15:40
k-sJaffa: if you avoid X and go with framebuffer15:40
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k-ssxpert-work: sure, it's much sane to do it by hand (read GObject sucks)15:41
glas55does that help with access to the hw accell?15:41
k-sglas55: I think so15:41
k-szack will be here in Recife, I'll ask him about this15:41
k-sbut I think you need the kernel part to foward to hw15:42
glas55of course, and afaik we lack that?15:42
jameyif the driver is there, then X will also be able to use OpenGL/ES and OpenVG hardware15:42
JaffaExactly. No driver => no amount of framework/toolkit frippery will solve it.15:43
jameybut the driver is not available yet15:43
k-syou could have paid trolls to do that15:43
sxpert-workjamey: blame texas instruments15:43
k-sAFAIK there is 2.4 kernel module out there15:43
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k-sso it would be a matter of porting15:44
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* jamey knows to blame texas instruments and/or original creator of the graphics accelerator15:44
glas55they had qtopia phone edition ported to 770 at 3gsm btw15:45
k-sglas55: really?15:45
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jameybut anyway, when the accelerator driver is available, both GTK and Qt will be able to use it :)15:46
Veggenhmm. Gotta ask my Trolltech contact about that, then ;)15:46
acydlordhmm, i think i might be able to have wordpress returning no errors tomorrow15:50
greentuxsomebody knows if libdbusfile has some documentation/sourcecode available?15:52
JaffaCool, temp sensor:
k-sjamey: since when GTK has opengl backend?15:53
acydlordfor some retarded reason xchat in windows doesnt want to open urls15:53
tigerthm. the foldable microwave oven chip is not found yet though15:54
jameyGTK uses Cairo which has opengl backend, I think there might also be an opengl canvas for GTK15:54
jameymultiple paths from GTK to opengl15:54
k-sjamey: 1) GTK doesn't use Cairo everywhere15:55
Jaffatigert: so it *could* make tea. excellent :)15:56
k-sjamey: 2) Cairo OpenGL backend sucks hard (
kkitoJaffa, Qt is faster than qt rendering on, X11, Xrender, opengl15:56
k-sjamey: 3) Cairo is OpenGL not OpenGL/ES15:56
kkitothere are a lot of benchmarks out there15:56
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kkitosorry qt is faster than gtk15:57
k-sI see GTK will have problems in near future... this mono stuff is making developers go away.... Number of core developers working on GLib and fundamentals of GTK are going down...15:58
k-salso, the license doesn't help at all... LGPL is not that good for projects...15:59
k-sat least with QT you pay, with code or with money... both ways the platform improves15:59
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jameyGTK does need a lot of work16:05
k-sjamey: for sure16:05
jameyhas anyone built twisted for Maemo?16:06
nomiskkito: is this statement based on a measurement or on a impression?16:07
k-sjamey: problem is that few people have the knowledge or want to work on its core... IMHO Nokia, Fluendo and other companies should setup a company with funding to work on the basis... if the base is weak, the whole platform looses :-(16:07
k-sjamey: some guys where at INdT are using it for
kkitonomis, what statement?16:07
nomiskkito: "qt is faster than gtk"16:08
kkitonomis, there are benchmarks out there16:08
kkitoon qt4 arthur is 2x or more faster than cairo16:08
robtaylorkkito: that depends on the benchmark, iirc16:08
nomiskkito: pre- or post-optimization cairo?  ;)16:08
kkitonomis, :)16:09
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kkitoqt4 is improving too. Qt 4.3 will be faster than no other QT out there16:09
nomiswell, the discussion is moot anyway. Trolltech managed to basically kill qtopia with their license politics and I don't see why we should run into that again.16:12
* nomis puts asbestos underware on.16:12
kkitoqtopia is gpled16:13
kkitolike qt416:13
nomiskkito: the question is: Is it a healthy community project? And from what I've heard it is not.16:14
nomisI am biased of course.16:14
kkitonomis, what who wants qtopia on the n800?16:15
* jamey sad that I cannot use debian binaries on N80016:15
kkitoqtopia uses framebuffer for rendering16:15
kkitonot Xorg16:15
k-sjamey: debian will move to armel, than that would be possible16:15
kkiton800 is like more a PC than a embedded device...16:15
nomiskkito: sorry, I don't get your point.16:15
jameyk-s, yes, some day it will be possible but today it is not16:16
jameyI do have someone on my team building Ubuntu for armel but that is not ready yet either16:16
k-sjamey: blame debian slowness16:17
jameyblame is not very useful, so I will refrain16:18
jameyjust whinging, sorry16:18
acydlordi need to run down to compusa soon and see what kind of deals they have since mine is closing16:19
disqjamey: i want iceweasel-armel. :)16:20
jameyis there something like rpmfind or ipkgfind for maemo?16:28
robtaylorjamey: apt-cache search16:28
jameyrobtaylor, that only works for feeds in /etc/apt/source.list16:28
jameyrpmfind and ipkgfind help find feeds that would be helpful if they were in /etc/apt/sources.list16:29
robtaylorjamey: well, its crack to phave multple sources of packages. maemo sucks in that respect, as does fedora16:30
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robtaylorbut what can you do =)16:31
robtaylorjamey: the closest thing is
acydlordgoing to bed, night16:32
jameycould write something that trolls rss or something and collects deb files into an uber feed, a planet for apt rather than for people16:33
disqthere's this:
jameydisq, that is very close16:37
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jameyinteresting, a closed wiki16:41
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jameyok, zope.interface built, starting on twisted16:42
jameyhmm, I'm beginning to like scratchbox, twisted built and installed16:43
jameyneither packaged, will try that now16:43
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jameyI see how to upgrade python in the target, but how do I updated it in scratchbox/tools?16:44
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mquthe maemo wiki says, the kernel zImage should'nt be too big. i cannot find any information how big that would be. i just created a zImage of 1.27 megabytes17:11
mquis that fine? thx17:12
mqu(to be more precise, i fetched the kernel 2.6.16 sources from the maemo repository and added CONFIG_PPP_MPPE=y)17:13
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jameymqu, sounds about the right size for a zImage17:17
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mqujamey: cool, thanks. sounds like there is no exact limit or what?17:18
jameyI do not think so but I do not really know17:18
mqujamey: but it seems if the image is too big, i can reflash it, isn't it? i wouldn't want to have it sent to nokia or something :/17:19
dragornmqu: I don't know what too big is17:24
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dragornmqu: but the firmware zImage extract is 1283k17:24
dragornmqu: If that gives you some sort of benchmark.  I suppose you could see what the flash mapping is - if the initfs is after the kernel, then "worst case" is you blow away part of your initfs and it won't boot anymore, and you just flash the kernel and initfs back.  If something more critical lives after the kernel, you have to worry more.17:25
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mqudragorn: ok, i'll have a look17:29
dragornmqu: and if anyone else here has a better answer, listen to them, 'cause I have no idea what the mapping is or what will really happen if you over-size the kernel into the next flash block :P17:30
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thomasvshey, can you change the name of the device after installation ?17:38
thomasvsI finally managed to recover my jffs2 root image and now I would like to make sure it has the right name17:38
dragornyeah it's in control panel somewhere17:38
tchanIs there a consensus on whether its worthwhile to upgrade from a 770 to the N800 or not?  Enough bang for the buck?17:39
cosmo_tchan: probably not17:40
* Jaffa wouldn't for full price, especially with OS2007on770 coming along; but then the 770 met my needs. I wouldn't go back now, though.17:40
cosmo_i won't upgrade, as i want hard cover so that i can take my 770 on the road17:40
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tchanI haven't had the chance to hold a N800 in my hands yet, but I did see the reviews and drooled over being able to use SD memory cards (quite a few in other devices around the house) and the FM radio chip in the N800.17:42
Robot101tchan: they're definitely faster and able to run more tasks at once, and being able to put in a good 4GB (or 8 if you patch your kernel) of SD is pretty cool17:43
derfthomasvs: Have you gotten Vorbis/Theora in gstreamer working yet?17:43
cosmo_tchan: i've played with N800 but it wasn't better enough imho17:48
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kkitotchan, plus 330 mhz armv6 snf 128 MB main memory17:48
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kkitosnf= and :D17:48
tchanthanks to all for the advice. I was considering stopping by the compusa that's closing soon and seeing if they had any N800's left. I guess I won't even bother then....17:49
mgedminI'd say the n800 is considerably better17:50
mgedminI can't say whether it's worth the price for you17:50
mgedminthe 770 was a little on the 'too slow' side17:50
mgedminthe n800 is 'not very snappy, but fast enough'17:51
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thomasvsderf: on the device ? vorbis yes, theora not tried yet17:57
thomasvsderf: supposedly the vorbis support would integrate with the media player but that doesn't seem to work for me17:57
thomasvsderf: I just spent a week though trying to recover my file system so I haven't done much recently :)17:58
derfthomasvs: Yeah, the integration didn't work for me, either.17:58
derfI've bricked the thing 4 or 5 times so far, and I haven't even had it a week.17:58
derfSo I'm not keeping anything important on the file system.17:59
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thomasvsyes, everything is on my flash card18:01
thomasvsbut I had installed a bunch of software and I didn't want to reinstall everything for the fourth time in two weeks18:01
thomasvsI'm a little surprised the device is that easy to break :) their support department will be going through hell18:02
derfMaybe it's my card, but that's been really flaky for me as well.18:02
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derfThings ran much better when I took the one out of the internal slot (though maybe just not using it for swap would've also helped).18:03
derfAnd I tried two cards in that slot, including the one that comes with the device.18:03
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thomasvshm, I really don't see where in the control panel I can change the device name18:07
mgedminI think it's in the bluetooth config18:08
tigertthomasvs: bluetooth18:08
thomasvsahah, thanks18:08
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dragornit's also in personalization or something18:10
dragornbut the device isn't in this room so I can't check18:10
tigertI dont think there is such a thing?18:11
thomasvsme neither18:12
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sm0krit is possible to remove a maemo garage account?18:44
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bedboihi there18:45
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bedboianyone knows if there's a gstreamer plugin for dsp decoding of mpeg videos?18:46
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maddlerTTL expired19:25
maddlersee you later folks...19:26
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matsavhalevIs there a ruby package for latest maemo19:29
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matsavhalevor  any onboard way to compile one?19:30
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lardmanI'd like to add PowerVR to the "Wish list", the only problem is the justification. Do you think that being able to play flashy games and perhaps have a flashier UI are reasonable reasons?19:36
dragornvideo acceleration19:36
dragornthere were several wince devices which used powervr to accelerate the video playback very nicely19:36
lardmanokay, so there's another thing then, better video playback. Are you sure that wasn't the IVA device though?19:37
dragornalso, nothing wrong with games/ui elements as part of the justification, we paid for the silicon, lets use it :)19:37
dragornbetter looking, and games, can only HELP sell more devices, right?19:37
lardmanthat would be another justification - it's there, it's frutstating that it can't be uised!19:37
lardmanthat was my reckoning19:37
Takif games weren't a justification, there wouldn't be so many game and emulator projects19:38
dragornlardman: I've been told it was done via powervr, but I'd have to go find my friend and hassle the info out of him (re: video)19:38
lardmandragorn: Okay19:40
Takwow - I didn't know bricolage was a real word19:40
kkitolardman, gtk+cario+glitz render to an opengl surface19:40
kkitolardman, or qt4+arthur19:40
kkitowith powervr we'll have a graphic hw accelerated toolkit....19:41
kkitowe can for example, zoom in/out wepages or mke it miniatures of it... etc etc etc19:41
kkitobetter than does opera now19:42
Takyeah, there are a lot of benefits that could be derived from hardware accelerated video outside of the gaming realm19:42
kkitoand if tfp extension is implemented... perhaps we'll have a composite desktop... with translucy windows19:43
kkitoand with cool effects like compiz does19:43
Takthe place where translucency would really shine IMO is the fullscreen vkb19:43
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Takmost of the cool compiz/beryl effects are related to things that don't happen on an IT with the stock wm: window moves, desktop changes, etc19:44
* timeless wants it for the windowed vkb19:46
timelessso that it would stop messing up web browsers that use onresize19:46
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lardmanRight, it's sent. If people have more ideas, I'm sure they can tack them on to the thread, or add them to the wiki if it makes it there19:50
[mbm]it'd be fun to see google earth on a tablet19:51
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bill20r3I got my N800 yesterday, is there a list anywhere of "must have" software to install?19:51
mgedmindepends on your needs, I suppose19:51
mgedminI must have fbreader19:51
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* bill20r3 saves list19:52
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keesjins't xmoto enough reasons?19:52
mgedminvncviewer, maemo maper, xchat, canola19:52
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bill20r3Can I use a usb gps reciever, or only bluetooth?19:54
mgedminonly bt19:54
[mbm]nobody has gotten usb working on the n80019:54
lardmanI'm off on holiday, see you all in a few weeks19:55
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bill20r3I think I read somewhere that it'd work with a powered hub, but that the N800 wont power the device.19:56
bill20r3is that true, or am I mistaken?19:56
mgedminit's half-true for the 77019:56
mgedminnot all powered usb hubs supply power to the upstream port19:56
mgedminin fact, those that do are violating the usb spec, afaiu19:57
mgedminon the n800 there's also a software problem: the usb driver doesn't yet support host mode19:57
mgedminthe chip is too new, or something like that19:57
derfWow, that kind of sucks.19:58
derfHow am I supposed to plug in my authentic USB NES controller and play emulated NES games?19:58
bill20r3ahh, ok.19:58
bill20r3I guess you need a magical usb to bluetooth adapter.19:59
* mgedmin would like to plug in an external LCD19:59
* bill20r3 looks for a cheap bt gps reciever.19:59
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s-ndh-ccan you have internet connection via cellphone an gps reciever connected at once?20:01
kkitowhat is the xorg version from n800?20:01
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dragorncool, osso-xterm returns mouse events to curses.20:04
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[mbm]dragorn: posted the suspend stuff to the maemo dev list; was a response by someone at nokia20:06
dragorn[mbm]: yah?20:06
[mbm]nothing too insightful, but interesting20:08
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[mbm]hmm.. isn't that a stereotype?20:13
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tkosomeone mention to Guard][an when he gets back?20:23
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maddlerflorian: hi20:58
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timelesshi jmr21:43
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dh_swingHey all. Anyone get qtopia 4.2 running on a N800?21:51
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dh_swingFrom the logs it looks like kkito managed a kde4 alpha...21:55
dh_swingkkito: how about a quick one pager on your work?21:56
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Takqtopia's proprietary, isn't it?21:58
dh_swingThey gpl'd 4.221:59
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dh_swingWith a descent on-screen keyboard, and all periphs working -- I would love to compare the two platforms...22:01
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maddlerdh_swing: yep, that would be a nice benchmark...22:13
* ljp has qtopia running on 77022:15
dh_swingI had seen that... Any docs on that other than a single photo?22:15
maddlerljp: hmmm... and you didn't said anything?! :D22:15
dh_swingmaddler: Throw in a damn 2.6 driver for opengl/vg, and we would really be off and running.22:16
maddlerdh_swing: indeed...22:16
thomasvswhy is it so hard to find where to buy nokia stuff22:16
thomasvsall I want is some gps22:16
dh_swingCome on nokia!!  You gave us this fun, <semi-open> platform; now let us realize it's full potential!22:17
dh_swingSpend a few damn $$ on a driver from TI, and give a little love back...22:17
thomasvs <-- where is the buy button22:17
maddlerthomasvs: still not released, dude...22:18
florianheh, that seems to be a frequent problem with the Nokia website ;)22:18
maddleryou have to wait...22:18
maddlerbeside that... yes... they could make it a better experience... :)22:19
maddleraway from being a well-made site...22:19
thomasvsmaddler: why doesn't the site *say* that ?22:22
maddlerwell... it's not even saying you can buy... :)22:22
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maddlerhehehe... joking... as florian said... Nokia's web is not so "user friendly"22:23
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maddlerthey make great phones (and IT of course!) but they should spend a bit more for their web site...22:23
tigertI think they *spend* enough22:24
tigertchanging the agency might help22:24
thomasvsmaddler: well, it is in a shop :)22:25
thomasvswell, ok, I will just use the intarweb to rant omnidirectionally :)22:25
thomasvsbye guys22:25
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roopeYou can't buy any of the nokia products from that site.22:36
roopeI guess they don't want to aggravate their retailers.22:36
roopeWith the internet tablet it's just bit of a problem. :)22:36
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s-ndh-cis there any PIM for maemo that can be synced with outlook or atleast a desktop installation of evolution?22:42
s-ndh-ci want to use my n770 to access my mails and stuff and have my contacts when iam on the run22:43
tigertuse gmail22:47
s-ndh-ctigert: iam doing that atm22:47
timelessgoogle calendar works iirc22:47
s-ndh-cwill modest be released soon?22:48
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Takgpe-cal syncs with gcal22:49
TakI bet evolution syncs with gcal ;-)22:49
s-ndh-chm will have a look at that22:49
tigerttimeless: it doesnt quite work22:49
tigertit seems to be getting better22:49
tigertthey have been fixing the html I guess22:50
s-ndh-cis there any documentation on all that? somepage that shows which pim apps availiable for maemo sync with what software and such?22:50
tigertit renders ok but adding events seems a bit broken22:50
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maddlerGuard][an: a message from tko ->
Guard][angonna read :)23:23
maddlerGuard][an: you're welcome...23:23
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ajturnerok, so the other day some app mgr update hosed my N800 to where it will boot showing the progress bar then hang23:56
ajturnerI finally got a liinux live cd and enable-rd-mode, but now it just hangs w/o even showing the blue bar23:56
mgedminlet me guess, you have dropbear installed?23:57
ajturnerwas that the culprit?23:57
ajturneryeah, up'd dropbear & canola23:57
ajturnerso what is the resolution23:57
mgedminpressing the keypad keys randomly to populate the kernel's entropy pool23:57
mgedminand one it boots, upgrade dropbear asap23:58
mgedminI don't know exactly how long you have to keep pressing the keys23:58
mgedminI use openssh instead of dropbear23:58
mgedminbut this problem was mentioned several times in the mailing list during the last several days23:58

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