| derf | dragorn: You can select which pieces you want to flash. | 00:00 |
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| derf | Run the flasher with no args for help. | 00:01 |
| dragorn | thanks. Hadn't found anything definitive with google yet. | 00:01 |
| dragorn | The only thing I'd found was a bootloader flasher that run on the device itself | 00:02 |
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| dragorn | derf: yeah that did the trick. | 00:26 |
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| Unique311 | question... | 01:15 |
| Unique311 | www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/07/how_to_make | 01:16 |
| Unique311 | www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/07/how_to_make_a_w_1.html | 01:16 |
| Unique311 | possible with the n800? | 01:17 |
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| glas55 | sidewindow seems ppc only | 01:20 |
| glas55 | of course, you could probably hack something together | 01:20 |
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| jaebird | I use an 8GB SDHC card in my N800 with no problems at all. (kernel support is needed however) | 04:53 |
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| myren | what brand? | 05:18 |
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| Unique311 | 8gb | 05:25 |
| Unique311 | seling for 110 | 05:25 |
| Unique311 | ot bad | 05:26 |
| [mbm] | doesn't seem like that long ago that my desktop systems in total was less than 8G | 05:27 |
| Unique311 | remember a couple of months ago i was planning to get a 4gb...8gb reasonable price | 05:27 |
| Unique311 | lol | 05:28 |
| Unique311 | i started oout with 40gb | 05:28 |
| Unique311 | wonder if im going to feel like u do in a couple of years if not months mbm | 05:29 |
| [mbm] | we're getting to the point where terrabyte desktop systems aren't that unusual | 05:30 |
| jaebird | myren: ADATA Class 2 from newegg.com | 05:30 |
| jaebird | ~$72.00 US shipped | 05:31 |
| Unique311 | good price | 05:31 |
| jaebird | that is what I thought...seeing as I got a 2GB for 60 less than 6 months ago! | 05:32 |
| Unique311 | lo | 05:32 |
| Unique311 | 6 months is a while ago | 05:33 |
| chibiAcyd | lol, my n800 seems so tiny since most of my systems in house have atleast 2tb | 05:33 |
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| Unique311 | whats 6 months in computer age? | 05:33 |
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| chibiAcyd | technology doubles 4-6 months | 05:34 |
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| JoshTriplett | My n800 locks up on the boot screen, when the progress bar reaches the top, and I have to remove the battery to get it to shut off. I can sometimes get it to boot, by plugging in the power first and booting from there, which sometimes skips the progress screen and goes straight to the home screen. With it booted, how could I go about diagnosing the boot failures? | 05:35 |
| jaebird | do you have dropbear server? | 05:35 |
| JoshTriplett | jaebird: Yes. | 05:35 |
| jaebird | there was a bad update yesterday | 05:35 |
| [mbm] | update it to the latest | 05:35 |
| jaebird | you need to update again | 05:35 |
| JoshTriplett | jaebird: Oh? Cool. | 05:35 |
| JoshTriplett | jaebird: Thanks. | 05:35 |
| jaebird | i did not realize it till it was too late for my flashing finger! | 05:36 |
| jaebird | thought it was canola screwing up again :| | 05:36 |
| JoshTriplett | Why does booting from the charge screen bypass it? | 05:36 |
| jaebird | it is looking for random data...so just mash the keys like a wild man | 05:37 |
| JoshTriplett | Oh? | 05:37 |
| JoshTriplett | Will movement on the screen work? | 05:37 |
| jaebird | mine only bypassed it once...then I restarted | 05:37 |
| jaebird | don't think the ui is loaded yet | 05:37 |
| [mbm] | random data is generated based on when interrupts occur | 05:37 |
| JoshTriplett | Let me guess; it pulls from /dev/random rather than /dev/urandom? | 05:37 |
| [mbm] | JoshTriplett: yep | 05:38 |
| jaebird | something like that | 05:38 |
| [mbm] | the update switches it to urandom | 05:38 |
| JoshTriplett | And does so on every boot for some reason? | 05:38 |
| jaebird | what mbm said | 05:38 |
| jaebird | it on the ML | 05:38 |
| jaebird | what I | 05:38 |
| [mbm] | hmm .. could have sworn mobuzztv.com worked in the n800 browser last week | 05:38 |
| chibiAcyd | did the om-weather reboot problem get fixed yet? | 05:39 |
| jaebird | what i'd like is for the backup to _really_ backup! | 05:39 |
| * [mbm] wonders if mobuzz updated or if his n800 broke | 05:39 | |
| JoshTriplett | jaebird: Yeah, seconded. You can customize it to fix that, but it should do so by default... | 05:39 |
| * JoshTriplett reboots after updating... | 05:39 | |
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| jaebird | i'm loving the tomiko sudoko clone...lots of time wasted for me | 05:40 |
| JoshTriplett | Yay, it worked! | 05:40 |
| JoshTriplett | jaebird, [mbm]: thank you. | 05:40 |
| jaebird | no prob... | 05:41 |
| JoshTriplett | Now I just need to figure out why the dhcp client sometimes fails to send the hostname to my DHCP/DNS server, so I can't reach it by name, only by IP. | 05:41 |
| jaebird | I finally put some tape on my battery so that I can get it out easier | 05:41 |
| JoshTriplett | jaebird: Heh. | 05:42 |
| [mbm] | remember that silver tab that was stuck to the screen? I use that for my battery | 05:42 |
| jaebird | mbm: good idea | 05:43 |
| [mbm] | I'm used t a very similar tab already being on those types of batteries | 05:43 |
| jaebird | not sure why they didn't put a ribbon in there to begin with... | 05:44 |
| chibiAcyd | i just tap the corner with my finger and it pops the battery out | 05:45 |
| [mbm] | I've crashed my n800 several times to the point I needed to remove the battery | 05:45 |
| [mbm] | (usually my fault) | 05:46 |
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| jaebird | i've been doing that but g-forces is one thing that can shorten the life of LI batts | 05:46 |
| [mbm] | not particularly fond of shaking the thing until the battery falls out | 05:46 |
| jaebird | it just seems like a cleaner solution to _pull_ the battery out | 05:46 |
| * [mbm] has the power button mapped to softoff or menu | 05:47 | |
| [mbm] | which mkes it rather hard to turn off in a crash | 05:47 |
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| jaebird | even a dip switch inside the battery compartment would be more convenient | 05:48 |
| Unique311 | [mbm], you spoke of a sensor app earlier | 05:49 |
| Unique311 | a monitor | 05:49 |
| [mbm] | Unique311: I say many things, you'll have to do better to describe it | 05:49 |
| [mbm] | mmc sensors? temp sensor? | 05:50 |
| Unique311 | monitor temperature of the cpu | 05:50 |
| [mbm] | ah | 05:50 |
| Unique311 | ya | 05:50 |
| Unique311 | that was it | 05:50 |
| [mbm] | yeah there's a tmp105 chip hidden somewhere on the board | 05:50 |
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| [mbm] | you can look at /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0048/temp1_input | 05:51 |
| [mbm] | if you feel like playing where's waldo - http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~james.smith/n800_no_shields_1200_dpi.jpg | 05:52 |
| chibiAcyd | too hard to look at on the n800 itself | 05:54 |
| Unique311 | ya | 05:54 |
| chibiAcyd | i hope when skype comes out that it will support the video/voip | 05:57 |
| chibiAcyd | has anyone taken a look inside the camera barrel yet? | 06:00 |
| chibiAcyd | cause a white spot-led would be nice since the camera is inoperable in low light | 06:03 |
| [mbm] | hide an ir blaster somewhere | 06:03 |
| chibiAcyd | lol | 06:03 |
| myren | just strobe data to the IrDA | 06:04 |
| [mbm] | you've never heard of illuminating with ir? | 06:04 |
| myren | dude, his face has crazy frequency patterns at 56k! | 06:04 |
| chibiAcyd | i have, my security cam does that | 06:04 |
| chibiAcyd | i nees to work on the wordpress hack tomorrow | 06:06 |
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| * [mbm] guesses that the tmp105 is burried under one of the other chips; probably the cpu | 06:16 | |
| chibiAcyd | if someone wants to buy me a bga soldering arm i'd be willing to look lol | 06:20 |
| [mbm] | can of duster and an open terminal would tell you the same thing | 06:21 |
| chibiAcyd | i'm out of canned air | 06:21 |
| myren | what is the appropriate way to mount a bga? robotic part picker & heat bath? | 06:26 |
| [mbm] | probably | 06:26 |
| chibiAcyd | pretty much | 06:27 |
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| [mbm] | damn bluetooth is always turning itself on after a reboot | 06:43 |
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| Markov | http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ | 06:51 |
| Markov | has this been compiled for n800? | 06:51 |
| Markov | or maemo | 06:51 |
| Markov | is there a way to record audio with the n800? | 06:52 |
| Tak | isn't there a 'maemo recorder' in extras? | 06:56 |
| dragorn | maemo uses alsa, so I'd expect recording to be pretty standard. Of course, I say expect with no testing at all | 06:56 |
| Markov | Tak: I don't see anything like that in extras | 06:57 |
| Tak | one sec | 06:57 |
| myren | pocketsphinx?! | 06:57 |
| myren | you must be shiitting me | 06:57 |
| * myren remembers sphinx2 | 06:57 | |
| Markov | why? | 06:57 |
| myren | sphinx was some scarry software a long time ago | 06:57 |
| Markov | myren: ?? is it crap? | 06:57 |
| myren | no, but you generally have to have had built the software to ahve any idea of how to use it | 06:58 |
| Markov | ewwww | 06:58 |
| Markov | this would be super cool to have compiled for maemo | 06:59 |
| Tak | 500 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free Packages | 06:59 |
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| Prez_ | hello | 08:25 |
| Prez_ | trying out my new n800! | 08:26 |
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| [mbm] | :) | 08:27 |
| disq | morning (nothing like having read the whole irc backlog via the maemo irclog archive from bed) | 08:29 |
| Prez_ | any suggestions 4 must have stuff on n800? | 08:30 |
| disq | maemo-mapper | 08:31 |
| Prez_ | what is it? | 08:31 |
| disq | it lets you browse google maps and cache them, also gps integration | 08:32 |
| * [mbm] learning all about crashing the dsp :/ | 08:33 | |
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| Prez_ | wow, i have a garmin gps, definetly will check it out | 08:33 |
| disq | Prez_: check the maemo garage for apps. also the applicationcatalog2006 in maemo.org/maemowiki, though it's kinda outdated | 08:33 |
| [mbm] | if you want to be a geek, the first thing you do is enable redpill and rd modes | 08:34 |
| Prez_ | i use my linux pc with gnokii to send sms messages, anything like that 4 n800? | 08:34 |
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| disq | the applicationcatalog2006 is for IT2006 (that's nokia 770) but most of the apps work with the IT2007 (that's what n800 runs) fine | 08:34 |
| bergie | disq: how does using this instead sound? http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 08:35 |
| disq | bergie: it sounds like missing .install files :) | 08:35 |
| bergie | ;-) | 08:35 |
| Prez_ | im at maemo.org now.. | 08:35 |
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| Prez_ | any recommendation 4 audio/video server y can control via browser from n800? i use slimserver, now looking to stream video too.. | 08:38 |
| Prez_ | wanna control all from n800 :-) | 08:39 |
| disq | I use mediaplayerclassic as the player on my htpc, it has a web interface :) | 08:39 |
| disq | Prez_: also check internettablettalk.com forums | 08:39 |
| [mbm] | vlc has a http page if you enable it | 08:39 |
| Prez_ | ok, will do | 08:40 |
| Prez_ | ok guys gotta crash.. will be.coming back, thanks 4 tips.. | 08:42 |
| disq | :) cya (and have fun) | 08:43 |
| disq | erm. with the n800. | 08:43 |
| Prez_ | hehe.. u too.. | 08:43 |
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| disq | what's with people and cisco fanboyness? cisco ap's are outdated, not to mention slow web ui | 09:14 |
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| disq | would prefer a 200mhz broadcom ap (preferably running openwrt) any day | 09:15 |
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| acydlord | i'm running ddwrt | 09:15 |
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| [mbm] | *cough* | 09:16 |
| disq | :) | 09:16 |
| tigert | darn | 09:18 |
| tigert | still sick :P | 09:18 |
| tigert | flu sucks | 09:18 |
| disq | ah, sorry to hear that man | 09:19 |
| acydlord | i'm glad i have a good immune system | 09:19 |
| acydlord | i've neverhad the joy of having the flu | 09:20 |
| [mbm] | I've accepted the fact I tend to feel like crap even on a good day | 09:20 |
| disq | i specifically hate the kind when one of your eyes get all watered up? what's that called, eye flu? | 09:21 |
| disq | so who wants to hildonize rdesktop :P | 09:25 |
| disq | it's possibly ~20 hours work provided you have experience with X11/GDK | 09:25 |
| [mbm] | heh | 09:26 |
| disq | maybe even 10 :) | 09:26 |
| [mbm] | you know, I'm learning way more than I ever wanted to about the n800's dsp chip :P | 09:27 |
| [mbm] | DSP load info: 10ms average = 0.31% 1sec average = 655.03% busiest 10ms = 4.90% 1min average = 21.83% busiest 1s = 655.21% | 09:28 |
| [mbm] | hmm irssi screwed that up | 09:29 |
| acydlord | lol | 09:29 |
| disq | nothing like using an irc client that's last updated 10 years ago (yep that's me) | 09:29 |
| spaetz | [mbm]: feel free to improve the ogg side of things there :-) | 09:29 |
| [mbm] | spaetz: someone would need to have a windows machine with the ti compiler and write a custom codec | 09:30 |
| disq | ogg side kinda falls under dsp programming or gstreamer optimization, no? | 09:30 |
| [mbm] | spaetz: but if you know such a person, the whole api is documented :P | 09:30 |
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| [mbm] | I just love how my dsp's load is 655% | 09:31 |
| [mbm] | mostly because it's crashed | 09:32 |
| disq | how do you read it | 09:32 |
| [mbm] | cat /sys/devices/platform/dsp/loadinfo | 09:33 |
| disq | 1sec average = 543.17% busiest 10ms = 100.00% | 09:33 |
| disq | how's that | 09:33 |
| disq | 10ms average = 420.43% | 09:33 |
| [mbm] | I have yet to look at that when my dsp is actually idle | 09:33 |
| disq | and i'm browsing thru strings in osso-media-server | 09:34 |
| disq | lawyer love. | 09:34 |
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| [mbm] | also fun to look at mblog in the same dir | 09:36 |
| disq | that's interesting.. osso-media-server reads what to do with the content-type from gconf | 09:38 |
| disq | <default>[video/x-h263,hantro4100dec,xvimagesink]</default> | 09:39 |
| disq | and stuff like that | 09:39 |
| [mbm] | yeah saw that | 09:39 |
| [mbm] | there was some divx stuff in there too | 09:40 |
| acydlord | do any of the gstreamer packages for mplayer add xvid support? | 09:41 |
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| disq | heh.. again, it reads the volume level it should play from gconf, /apps/osso/osso-music-player/volume (and mute) | 09:42 |
| disq | so it's possible there's no real api to control the media server | 09:43 |
| disq | and i was expecting fancy dbus support | 09:43 |
| [mbm] | noticed that when I crashed the dsp, the master volume stayed but the internet radio volume was at max | 09:45 |
| disq | i guess it's time for a new enh in bugzilla | 09:46 |
| [mbm] | wonder what the chances are of a flash player update | 09:50 |
| disq | it's known that the internal firmware build plays flash videos much better. so it's rumorable that they also updated it? :P | 09:51 |
| [mbm] | just finding less sites support flash7 | 09:51 |
| disq | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1125 vote if you're interested (ooh, spam) | 09:55 |
| [mbm] | hmm backlight flickers a bit when the system is busy | 09:58 |
| [mbm] | actually seems to be a side effect of being on the charger | 10:01 |
| [mbm] | ok, enough screwing with the dsp .. doesn't seem to be a good way to bootstrap it once it's hung | 10:03 |
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| acydlord | bah, the bluetooth headset i was trying to use for this mod sucks | 10:27 |
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| cosmo_ | should the built-in voip software work with gizmo server? | 10:32 |
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| tigert | there is a gizmo client for maemo | 10:37 |
| tigert | so maybe it doesnt, since if it did, one wouldnt need that? | 10:37 |
| sxpert | tigert, which unfortunately can only be used with gizmo servers... | 10:39 |
| ptman | sxpert: I thought gizmo had SIP support? | 10:39 |
| sxpert | yes, but the client appears locked | 10:39 |
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| ptman | damn | 10:40 |
| ptman | gizmo crashed on me if I used anything else audio-related | 10:40 |
| sxpert | haha | 10:40 |
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| cosmo_ | tigert: the built-in client seems better, as it can set presence automatically when connected to internet | 10:43 |
| tigert | yeah | 10:44 |
| tigert | and it doesnt need to run the voip app all the time | 10:44 |
| tigert | just the backend is there | 10:44 |
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| cosmo_ | i was just thinking, should i use some other server than chat.gizmoproject.com if i use the built-in client? | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
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| disq | morning | 10:50 |
| Guard][an | is it possible to early test GtkBuilder ??? google doen't help much here :/ | 10:53 |
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| Veggen | I kind of like getting apps/communication to enter the builtin things. I find the builtin things to be quite good at doing what it does, etc... | 11:02 |
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| Veggen | So - I don't use gaim, for example. I prefer to use the jabber<-><something>-gateway mechanism. That way,I get everything into my jabber client. | 11:04 |
| ptman | cosmo_: you seem to be using the right server, as far as I can tell | 11:04 |
| Veggen | ....and when here, I even use bitlbee ---> everything into my IRC client ;-) | 11:04 |
| ptman | Veggen: what gateway-software have you got installed and where? | 11:04 |
| ptman | that setup sounds quite cool | 11:04 |
| ptman | I would like to have an optional IRC->jabber gateway, so that when I'm not at some computer, I could access my IRC via the N800 | 11:05 |
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| mqu | hi. do you know if mppe is included in the 3.2006.49-2 kernel? | 11:06 |
| mqu | i'd need mppe for pptp at my university | 11:06 |
| Veggen | ptman: IRC to jabber, I don't think there is. | 11:08 |
| Veggen | But I can access jabber from my IRC. | 11:08 |
| ptman | Veggen: I found a couple of IRC to jabber proxies, haven't just had time to check them out | 11:08 |
| ptman | so they definately exist | 11:08 |
| Veggen | ptman: If you have jabber, and your jabber-server supports it, there is ways to access AIM/yahoo/whatever-IM through jabber. | 11:09 |
| Veggen | I use that, to get notifications for everything well integrated into my N800. | 11:09 |
| acydlord | i did jabber through jaim.at | 11:10 |
| Veggen | gaim is fair enough, but not as well integrated. | 11:10 |
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| acydlord | but it send add requests for every buddy | 11:10 |
| acydlord | drove me nuts | 11:10 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:10 |
| acydlord | and the stock jabber client doesnt tell you who is online on the other protocols | 11:10 |
| ptman | what jabber server do you use then? I'd mostly like to have one account to connect to, that connects me to MSN, several other jabber servers and IRC | 11:10 |
| acydlord | jaim.at has the protocol tunnels for just about everything | 11:11 |
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| cosmo_ | i didn't find information for irc gateway there | 11:16 |
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| cosmo_ | http://xmpppy.sourceforge.net/irc/features.html | 11:17 |
| c0ffee | i wonder how difficult it was to use the icq implementation from gaim and write a telepathy connector for it | 11:20 |
| c0ffee | that should be ideal | 11:20 |
| maddler | gooooooooooooooooooood moooooooooooooooooorning maemo! | 11:21 |
| * c0ffee . o O (drugs?) | 11:22 | |
| * Knirch . o O (coffee?) | 11:22 | |
| [mbm] | . o (bad movie references?) | 11:22 |
| zuh | It's a good movie! | 11:28 |
| zuh | (though I don't remember the name or the plot, just that it was vietnam and the above ;) | 11:28 |
| acydlord | and it had that bear robin williams | 11:29 |
| [mbm] | zuh: it was actually called "good morning vietnam" | 11:32 |
| [mbm] | and technically I was pointing out that it was a bad reference | 11:32 |
| [mbm] | maddler: battery dead again? | 11:33 |
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| disq | :) morning man | 11:39 |
| disq | vote bug 1125 ftw :p | 11:40 |
| disq | also, nokia people seem quiet on the lists today. flu epidemic? | 11:40 |
| [mbm] | hmm reminds me, I never read the maemo lists | 11:44 |
| [mbm] | should probably post my suspend stuff there one of these days | 11:44 |
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| maddler | [mbm]: didn't tried :) | 11:48 |
| disq | [mbm]: in fact why don't you do it right now? you'll probably get valuable info from nokians | 11:48 |
| [mbm] | disq: hmm -dev? | 11:48 |
| disq | yeah | 11:48 |
| maddler | [mbm]: yep... | 11:48 |
| maddler | best place... | 11:48 |
| maddler | btw... ggod morning vietnam was a great movie... | 11:49 |
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| disq | i agree | 11:50 |
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| maddler | brb | 11:52 |
| disq | wonder if tomorrow/friday is the day for the new firmware | 12:03 |
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| maddler | disq: that would be nice... | 12:04 |
| maddler | having the whole weekend to install and fix... | 12:05 |
| disq | :) | 12:06 |
| acydlord | it would be nice to get a new firmware on my bday lol | 12:06 |
| maddler | acydlord: only if you send cake to everyone of us! :D | 12:07 |
| acydlord | lol, i prolly wont even get any cake myself :( | 12:07 |
| disq | boot from the real linux (not vmware) on my htpc, flash it, if necessary set some flags, then try to guess the bootmenu blind (tv won't display textmode) fail and bring the 15" crt to the living room just to boot again from windows. yeah. a weekend should cover it | 12:08 |
| disq | (or i could just install the ntfs-rw stuff and edit boot.ini and set the default back to windows) | 12:08 |
| disq | of course the ideal would be to get the usb working in vmware | 12:09 |
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| maddler | disq: hehe | 12:10 |
| maddler | have fun! :D | 12:10 |
| disq | though i could also connect the tv via tvout and not vga, then textmode should work? | 12:10 |
| acydlord | perhaps | 12:11 |
| acydlord | my tv has an hdmi port | 12:11 |
| disq | mine have two but i don't have the cable, using a vga cable to get 720p | 12:11 |
| acydlord | i have a dvi->hdmi adapter thing | 12:12 |
| disq | but the cpu can't handle 720p h264 decoding so i'm stuck with HR rips :p | 12:12 |
| acydlord | i'll tell you what sucks for a media center pc | 12:13 |
| acydlord | amd geode series | 12:13 |
| soleblaze | geode sucks for everything | 12:14 |
| acydlord | geode is decent for desktop workstation | 12:14 |
| soleblaze | which is why they closed the building where it's developed and laid off most of the workers | 12:14 |
| acydlord | i'm actually on a geode powered system right now lol | 12:14 |
| soleblaze | weird :p | 12:14 |
| soleblaze | do you know if amd is actually discontinuing the geode? | 12:15 |
| soleblaze | (the main geode dev center was next door to where I work) | 12:15 |
| acydlord | not sure, i think they were switching to the opteron based embedded chips | 12:15 |
| disq | (heh i keep geode as geocode) | 12:15 |
| disq | s/keep/keep reading/ | 12:15 |
| acydlord | i think the main purchaser of the geode was frys electronics | 12:16 |
| acydlord | for their cheap barebones kits | 12:16 |
| soleblaze | We got a person or two who was working there | 12:16 |
| soleblaze | yeah. | 12:16 |
| soleblaze | they had that toy plasic looking thing | 12:16 |
| soleblaze | that never took off | 12:16 |
| acydlord | i actually bought one of those peice of chit GQ series comps | 12:17 |
| soleblaze | I was pretty interested in the geode awhile back..but it never took off | 12:17 |
| acydlord | ended up shelling about $1k in to it and now i use it as a desktop system | 12:17 |
| soleblaze | been watching the via mini itx stuff too | 12:17 |
| acydlord | it was the cheapest way i could find to get my hands on a geode system | 12:17 |
| acydlord | i'm interested in the new amd ati boards | 12:18 |
| soleblaze | haven't kept up with that | 12:18 |
| soleblaze | haven't kept up with via either.. | 12:18 |
| soleblaze | but via bearly moved since two years ago | 12:18 |
| acydlord | should be able to make something small and powerfull with embedded amd and ati tech | 12:18 |
| disq | the only way i'll upgrade my amd barton 2500+ is if i get a core2duo. but since i don't really care about 720p, i'm not planning to | 12:19 |
| soleblaze | wonder if I should go dumpster dive and see if they threw out any prototypes lol | 12:19 |
| acydlord | lol | 12:19 |
| acydlord | they probably gave them to frys to sell with all the other factory reject parts | 12:19 |
| disq | iirc somebody actually recovered quite a bit of storage like that | 12:20 |
| soleblaze | haha, yeah..actually I think there's still some sales people left in the building | 12:20 |
| soleblaze | I think it's way past time for me to get anything good | 12:20 |
| acydlord | lol, i got about 60 486's dumpster diving before | 12:20 |
| soleblaze | I should'av thought of that..ah well | 12:20 |
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| soleblaze | would be funny..we sould our trash to them..and then I come and steal their trash | 12:21 |
| acydlord | lol | 12:21 |
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| soleblaze | our streets slowly becoming a graveyard of tech companies..quite a few empty buildings now | 12:22 |
| acydlord | sad | 12:23 |
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| acydlord | most of arizona became like that | 12:23 |
| acydlord | and now places are starting to move back in | 12:23 |
| soleblaze | yeah. Seagates the biggest employer in the town (longmont, co) ..employs like 3000 people | 12:23 |
| soleblaze | I'm surprised how many tech companies are in colorado | 12:24 |
| acydlord | same here | 12:24 |
| acydlord | maybe its the nice weather | 12:24 |
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| soleblaze | yeah, we only got 8 feet of snow between december and january..not like new york lol | 12:25 |
| acydlord | lol, we actually got some snow where i live, and i live in the middle of the desert | 12:26 |
| acydlord | granted it only stuck about 24 hours though lol | 12:26 |
| soleblaze | haha yeah, I heard about that | 12:26 |
| soleblaze | I'm from louisiana..snowed 3 times (if snow = 1 inch) before I moved out..first year here..it snowed 4 feet..I hate snow lol | 12:27 |
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| acydlord | lol, i love snow | 12:27 |
| soleblaze | I'm a really crappy driver, and the snow makes it so much worse | 12:27 |
| soleblaze | I guess it's fine if I don't have to go out in it | 12:28 |
| soleblaze | so rumors of a firmware upgrade? | 12:29 |
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| acydlord | guess so | 12:29 |
| soleblaze | maybe then it won't crash when you sneeze | 12:30 |
| harryF | just installed the latest maemo 3.0, run apt-get update and I'm getting errors with bsdutils 1:2.12p-4sarge1.osso2 | 12:30 |
| soleblaze | Though I think that's more something devs will fix once they move apps over | 12:30 |
| harryF | anyone knows a workaround? | 12:30 |
| florian | good monring | 12:32 |
| * harryF gives up to run maemo 3.0 on an ubuntu system and tries the vmware appliance instead | 12:33 | |
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| cosmo_ | hmm.. is there a gstreamer ogg plugin? | 12:44 |
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| * inz is successfully running maemo 3.0 on 2½ ubuntu systems | 12:54 | |
| inz | cosmo, tremor demuxes ogg and plays vorbis | 12:55 |
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| inz | cosmo, I think there's a generic ogg demuxer too | 12:55 |
| cosmo_ | not in application catalog | 13:00 |
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| [mbm] | disq, maddler: script posted. | 13:04 |
| kulve | I've planned to build the ogg stuff (vorbis, tremor, ogg) and the respective gst plugins and put them in a repo after the next OS upgrade has been released.. | 13:04 |
| maddler | [mbm]: good :) | 13:05 |
| lardman | I was thinking that about the wishlist | 13:05 |
| lardman | that somethings already exist | 13:06 |
| inz | cosmo, I'm not sure if it has been packaged | 13:06 |
| tigert | argh | 13:06 |
| tigert | internettablettalk forum has a kaptcha in the search form | 13:06 |
| inz | /brick itt | 13:06 |
| spaetz | tigert: that one is hel, isn't it? | 13:06 |
| Veggen | kaptcha is....wrong. | 13:07 |
| tigert | and I fail it | 13:07 |
| tigert | its too hard | 13:07 |
| tigert | :) | 13:07 |
| tigert | its way way smudged and hard to see | 13:07 |
| spaetz | Especially in the maemo style you cannot even see it (if I remember correctly) | 13:07 |
| spaetz | it's impossible to decipher for me as well | 13:07 |
| tigert | finally | 13:07 |
| tigert | got an easy one | 13:07 |
| tigert | but some chars are just impossible to tell | 13:07 |
| tigert | so | 13:08 |
| tigert | has anyone got POI icons to work in maemomapper? | 13:08 |
| tigert | where should those be? | 13:08 |
| inz | Let's DDoS their captcha-generator! | 13:08 |
| inz | So that it causes more load than the search would | 13:09 |
| tigert | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/413484629/ | 13:09 |
| disq | [mbm]: great :) | 13:09 |
| tigert | a mockup btw | 13:09 |
| [mbm] | tigert: you need a kaptcha bot, those things do better at it than I do :/ | 13:09 |
| tigert | this geonames script is sweet :) | 13:09 |
| tigert | [mbm]: yeah :) | 13:09 |
| [mbm] | poi stuff looks cool, can't wait until it it gets integrated with plazer | 13:10 |
| nomis | plazer? | 13:11 |
| [mbm] | guess your position pased on things like visible wifi networks | 13:11 |
| * [mbm] doesn't have any bluetooth gps devices .. plazer wifi or usb host mode please ;) | 13:11 | |
| disq | i can't wait until plazer supports visible access points and not the currently connected one | 13:12 |
| disq | erm, or i can, i guess | 13:13 |
| tigert | [mbm]: you saw bergie's script, right? | 13:14 |
| tigert | its linked from the flickr page | 13:14 |
| tigert | it currently pulls stuff from geonames.org | 13:14 |
| [mbm] | tigert: yeah, it was mentioned earlier | 13:14 |
| tigert | disq: interesting idea | 13:15 |
| tigert | disq: though I dont know if plazes can do this | 13:15 |
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| tigert | you mean like "I am on this 3G connection now, but I see this wlan here.." ? | 13:15 |
| disq | yeah.. wlans i can't connect, etc | 13:16 |
| [mbm] | it should be "you're on a 3G connection, I know where you are - you're next to mbm's cellphone" ;) | 13:16 |
| disq | i can't meaning they're protected and/or encrypted | 13:16 |
| tigert | disq: I wonder if the plazes protocol kinda works in a way that the server pokes at your routing or such? | 13:17 |
| tigert | or does the client just tell some stuff ? | 13:17 |
| Veggen | mm, I wish we had ipv6 and all the nifty stuff that comes with it (some of it backported, though). IPV6 mobility, for example. Roaming between different ip-networks! yay! | 13:17 |
| disq | i'm guessing the latter | 13:17 |
| tigert | my point is, do you need to be connected via that connection to be able to "plaze" yourself? | 13:17 |
| tigert | Veggen: yeah, mobile ip or something would be good | 13:17 |
| [mbm] | tigert: I figured the connection was just because you weren't going to ahve the entire plazes database on your sd card | 13:18 |
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| tigert | right | 13:19 |
| tigert | yea, I havent looked into the client code | 13:19 |
| [mbm] | I haven't either; loaded the client, went "huh; didn't do anything" and that's as far as I got | 13:20 |
| acydlord | it places you by tracert and registered plazes | 13:21 |
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| acydlord | and by routing | 13:21 |
| acydlord | say someone with a similar dns has registered their home, and your ip is a couple numbers off them with similar dns, it will say you're near their registered location | 13:22 |
| disq | i thought it was just submit ap mac hash and enter geo coordinates | 13:23 |
| inz | \o/ 10 in a row w/ ITT captcha! | 13:23 |
| acydlord | thats if it's a registered location | 13:23 |
| cosmo_ | should the old maemo mapper uris work? | 13:23 |
| inz | This is one of the best games ever! | 13:23 |
| cosmo_ | for example http://mt.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.11&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d | 13:24 |
| acydlord | i was working with the placez code in perl to make a real time plazer for my website | 13:24 |
| acydlord | inz, what base did you use for your wordpress sqlite hack? | 13:24 |
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| inz | acyd, wp 2.0.9 + rd as WordPress rolls out new versions? | 13:27 |
| inz | acyd, http://hasin.wordpress.com/2006/08/16/wordpress4sqlite-alpha-one/ | 13:27 |
| acydlord | yeah, i was looking at that | 13:27 |
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| acydlord | as well as a 1.0.5 wp hack that added suppord for different db types | 13:28 |
| tigert | ah | 13:30 |
| acydlord | hmm, i just read that install php has an id of zero for a field, and if you set the id to 1 it kills the logic complaint | 13:30 |
| tigert | on the latest maemo-mapper the POI icons work again | 13:30 |
| tigert | there was a bug | 13:30 |
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| tigert | cosmo_: click the "download" button in the map repositories dialog | 13:31 |
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| cosmo_ | you mean the auto-download in menu? | 13:34 |
| tigert | no | 13:37 |
| tigert | in maps -> manage repositories | 13:38 |
| tigert | the "Download..." button there | 13:38 |
| tigert | it fetches you repositories automatically | 13:38 |
| cosmo_ | hmm, i don't have that button. maybe i have old version | 13:38 |
| tigert | yes | 13:38 |
| tigert | you do | 13:38 |
| tigert | upgrade :) | 13:38 |
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| cosmo_ | weird, the maemo mapper repo does not have updated version | 13:42 |
| disq | use the maemo garage | 13:42 |
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| tigert | http://www.gnuite.com/nokia770/maemo-mapper.install < this ? | 13:45 |
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| cosmo_ | missing deps hildon-libs0 0.12.24-1 and libsqlite3-0 3.3.5 | 13:46 |
| tigert | on the .install file? | 13:46 |
| cosmo_ | the one from garage | 13:46 |
| tigert | see cosmo_ 770? | 13:47 |
| tigert | erm | 13:47 |
| tigert | I mean, is this a 770? | 13:47 |
| cosmo_ | 770, 2006 edition | 13:47 |
| tigert | I had the same problem with firmware 2.2006.39-14. After upgrading to latest firmware (3.2006.49-2) the installation worked. | 13:47 |
| tigert | says the forum | 13:47 |
| cosmo_ | oh, there's a new firmware available.. i haven't noticed that | 13:48 |
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| inz | I'm still building my IT2006 packages with "mistral", just to stay away from that kind of annyoances | 13:57 |
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| tigert | ah, that is what "gregale" is? | 14:09 |
| * tigert wonders who comes up with those names | 14:09 | |
| disq | you don't know? :) | 14:10 |
| acydlord | i forgot to install the nokia flasher on windows hooking up the 770 lol | 14:13 |
| tigert | disq: no :) | 14:17 |
| disq | i knew that mistral and bora were winds, turns out so are scirocco and gregale | 14:25 |
| disq | my name suggestion for IT2007 3.1: "Willy-willy" (A tropical cyclone (with winds 33 knots or greater) in Australia) | 14:26 |
| disq | though it'll probably be "Etesian" or "Contrastes" since they're going with mediterranean winds | 14:29 |
| disq | http://ggweather.com/winds.html | 14:29 |
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| disq | "Levantera" or "Maestro" are also possible names | 14:31 |
| disq | hmmm.. | 14:32 |
| disq | etesian or contrastes could be the next (if ever) IT2006 release, levantera or maestro the new IT2007 | 14:33 |
| disq | (and now i feel like i'm talking to myself) | 14:33 |
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| kkito | disq, and Tramontana? | 14:53 |
| kkito | :) | 14:53 |
| disq | possible :) | 14:55 |
| disq | my money's on maestro though | 14:55 |
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| maddler | maestro/maestrale should be same as mistral... IIRC | 15:05 |
| disq | makes sense | 15:05 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone (Canola-peeps, perhaps) thought of doing an "Origami Experience" launcher for Maemo? http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/10/first-shots-impressions-of-origami-experience/ | 15:12 |
| * mgedmin gave up on Canola after the last bug https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=557&group_id=125&atid=529 | 15:14 | |
| Jaffa | Crazy. | 15:15 |
| disq | yeah. maybe it really liked it? | 15:21 |
| disq | second it being the track. | 15:21 |
| disq | i only use canola on the road. i use mediastreamer at home (before/during sleep or shortly after waking up, usually) | 15:22 |
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| kkito | anyways origami devices are hw accelerated | 15:25 |
| kkito | graphic hw accelerated | 15:25 |
| kkito | if we have opengl support on the n800 we can do something similar with gtk2+cario+glitz or qt4+arthur(opengl backend) | 15:26 |
| kkito | it is not plausible implement it using sdl or another low level graphic api, because all the widgets must to be implemented again.... | 15:27 |
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| tigert | the biggest problem is gtk and the whole boxed model | 15:29 |
| tigert | and when you touch something | 15:29 |
| tigert | then it triggers a refresh of the whole widget hierarchy | 15:29 |
| tigert | just when you dont want that | 15:29 |
| kkito | i dont know why nokia choses gtk and not qt.... | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | hm | 15:30 |
| sxpert-work | kkito: because qt would have been non free in that particular use case I suppose | 15:30 |
| * mgedmin likes gtk+ better | 15:31 | |
| k-s | mgedmin: that bug is really weird | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | kkito: Canola seems to be a start in implementing a full screen pretty UI framework (however horrible it allegedly is) on top of SDL | 15:31 |
| kkito | sxpert-work, only non-free for commercial apps without free source code | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | a lot of very, very weird things happen if you try to use both Canola and the Media Player at the same time | 15:31 |
| k-s | mgedmin: but you can use MPlayer backend and be happy... you'd loose DMAP, but no big deal | 15:31 |
| tigert | Qt isnt exactly the ideal slick eye candy sweetness in my book | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | kkito: how would Qt help produce full screen "custom" UIs? | 15:32 |
| sxpert-work | kkito: which the devices have plenty of | 15:32 |
| k-s | Jaffa: we're moving to Evas... it will bring us much power | 15:32 |
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| Jaffa | k-s: cool | 15:32 |
| tigert | evas might be interesting yeah | 15:32 |
| sxpert-work | k-s: haha. good joke | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | k-s: you mean I could tell Canola to use a different backend? how? | 15:32 |
| kkito | Jaffa, Qt is reallyy good, good designed and c++, it is really more productive than other any linux lib api | 15:32 |
| k-s | sxpert-work: which joke? | 15:32 |
| k-s | mgedmin: just install mplayer plugin package | 15:33 |
| sxpert-work | Jaffa: for a full screen custom ui, use a gtk window and draw whatever you want on it | 15:33 |
| kkito | and offcourse you can do anything using qt, look at mythtv | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | kkito: "really good" and "good designed" don't help with eye-candy. C++ is a just a language. | 15:33 |
| k-s | kkito: agreed! | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | mythtv uses Qt? I didn't know that | 15:33 |
| kkito | mgedmin, yes | 15:33 |
| sxpert-work | as long as wx<blah> isn't mentionned :D | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | kkito: and, as sxpert-work says you can do anything you want in Gtk, so... | 15:34 |
| k-s | Jaffa: see Zack Rusin's work | 15:34 |
| kkito | Jaffa, Offcourse nad using Xlib too... | 15:34 |
| k-s | Jaffa: yes... you can, try to use GDK for something neat... you'll give up ASAP | 15:34 |
| k-s | Jaffa: or cairo... | 15:34 |
| mgedmin | have you seen macslow's bling demo? | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | There've been a number of people here or on maemo-developers say "It's so *stupid* that Nokia didn't use Qt" without explaining *why* Qt is so much better. It's just developer personal opinion. | 15:35 |
| sxpert-work | k-s: I use cairo inside ONE gtk window for my carpc stuff. | 15:35 |
| k-s | Jaffa: I have a blog entry on why GLib sucks | 15:35 |
| k-s | Jaffa: if you want I can write why Qt is better suited | 15:35 |
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| * Jaffa doesn't care that much, TBH ;-). AFAICS, the problems with Maemo wouldn't be solved in any way by the use of Qt over GTK | 15:37 | |
| kkito | Jaffa, if you take a llok at the qt source code... you'll see that it has a really good enginiered design... one of the most elegants that i ever see on a UI graphical api | 15:37 |
| k-s | Jaffa: Qt provides full featured bluetooth classes (connection to headsets? act as a handsfree?), it provides OpenGL/ES and OpenVG,. ... | 15:38 |
| sxpert-work | kkito: but the default themes look like shit :D | 15:38 |
| kkito | sorry for my english :) | 15:38 |
| k-s | sxpert-work: so as gtk themes... or do you think clearlooks is the default theme? | 15:38 |
| kkito | sxpert-work, i agree, but qt4 has some nice themes | 15:38 |
| kkito | clearlooks is a default theme on qt4 ;) | 15:39 |
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| sxpert-work | k-s: whoever came with keramik should be shot :D | 15:39 |
| jamey | Qt is a graphical toolkit, what is it doing providing bluetooth? | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | k-s: eh? why would I want Bluetooth connectivity in a GUI library, or is it trying to be an "application framework" for any conceivable application? | 15:39 |
| k-s | sxpert-work: kernamik is KDE theme, not qt | 15:39 |
| sxpert-work | k-s: yeah, well... | 15:40 |
| k-s | jamey: no, it's a framework, it provides non-gui resources | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | k-s: So kkito's Qt compile can take advantage of the OpenGL/ES and OpenVG hardware (whatever it was) in the N800? I thought there was a lack of drivers, not userland gizmos to use it. | 15:40 |
| sxpert-work | k-s: the special qmake hacks and stuff are totally braindead... | 15:40 |
| k-s | Jaffa: if you avoid X and go with framebuffer | 15:40 |
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| k-s | sxpert-work: sure, it's much sane to do it by hand (read GObject sucks) | 15:41 |
| glas55 | does that help with access to the hw accell? | 15:41 |
| k-s | glas55: I think so | 15:41 |
| glas55 | why? | 15:41 |
| k-s | zack will be here in Recife, I'll ask him about this | 15:41 |
| k-s | but I think you need the kernel part to foward to hw | 15:42 |
| glas55 | of course, and afaik we lack that? | 15:42 |
| glas55 | so | 15:42 |
| jamey | if the driver is there, then X will also be able to use OpenGL/ES and OpenVG hardware | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Exactly. No driver => no amount of framework/toolkit frippery will solve it. | 15:43 |
| jamey | but the driver is not available yet | 15:43 |
| k-s | you could have paid trolls to do that | 15:43 |
| sxpert-work | jamey: blame texas instruments | 15:43 |
| k-s | AFAIK there is 2.4 kernel module out there | 15:43 |
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| k-s | so it would be a matter of porting | 15:44 |
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| * jamey knows to blame texas instruments and/or original creator of the graphics accelerator | 15:44 | |
| glas55 | they had qtopia phone edition ported to 770 at 3gsm btw | 15:45 |
| k-s | glas55: really? | 15:45 |
| k-s | cool | 15:45 |
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| jamey | but anyway, when the accelerator driver is available, both GTK and Qt will be able to use it :) | 15:46 |
| glas55 | yes | 15:46 |
| Veggen | hmm. Gotta ask my Trolltech contact about that, then ;) | 15:46 |
| acydlord | hmm, i think i might be able to have wordpress returning no errors tomorrow | 15:50 |
| greentux | hi | 15:52 |
| greentux | somebody knows if libdbusfile has some documentation/sourcecode available? | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | Cool, temp sensor: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37962 | 15:52 |
| k-s | jamey: since when GTK has opengl backend? | 15:53 |
| acydlord | for some retarded reason xchat in windows doesnt want to open urls | 15:53 |
| tigert | hm. the foldable microwave oven chip is not found yet though | 15:54 |
| tigert | oops | 15:54 |
| jamey | GTK uses Cairo which has opengl backend, I think there might also be an opengl canvas for GTK | 15:54 |
| jamey | multiple paths from GTK to opengl | 15:54 |
| k-s | jamey: 1) GTK doesn't use Cairo everywhere | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | tigert: so it *could* make tea. excellent :) | 15:56 |
| k-s | jamey: 2) Cairo OpenGL backend sucks hard (http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html) | 15:56 |
| kkito | Jaffa, Qt is faster than qt rendering on, X11, Xrender, opengl | 15:56 |
| k-s | jamey: 3) Cairo is OpenGL not OpenGL/ES | 15:56 |
| kkito | there are a lot of benchmarks out there | 15:56 |
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| kkito | sorry qt is faster than gtk | 15:57 |
| k-s | I see GTK will have problems in near future... this mono stuff is making developers go away.... Number of core developers working on GLib and fundamentals of GTK are going down... | 15:58 |
| k-s | also, the license doesn't help at all... LGPL is not that good for projects... | 15:59 |
| k-s | at least with QT you pay, with code or with money... both ways the platform improves | 15:59 |
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| jamey | GTK does need a lot of work | 16:05 |
| k-s | jamey: for sure | 16:05 |
| jamey | has anyone built twisted for Maemo? | 16:06 |
| nomis | kkito: is this statement based on a measurement or on a impression? | 16:07 |
| k-s | jamey: problem is that few people have the knowledge or want to work on its core... IMHO Nokia, Fluendo and other companies should setup a company with funding to work on the basis... if the base is weak, the whole platform looses :-( | 16:07 |
| k-s | jamey: some guys where at INdT are using it for http://garage.maemo.org/projects/brisa | 16:07 |
| kkito | nomis, what statement? | 16:07 |
| nomis | kkito: "qt is faster than gtk" | 16:08 |
| kkito | nomis, there are benchmarks out there | 16:08 |
| kkito | on qt4 arthur is 2x or more faster than cairo | 16:08 |
| robtaylor | kkito: that depends on the benchmark, iirc | 16:08 |
| nomis | kkito: pre- or post-optimization cairo? ;) | 16:08 |
| kkito | nomis, :) | 16:09 |
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| kkito | qt4 is improving too. Qt 4.3 will be faster than no other QT out there | 16:09 |
| nomis | well, the discussion is moot anyway. Trolltech managed to basically kill qtopia with their license politics and I don't see why we should run into that again. | 16:12 |
| * nomis puts asbestos underware on. | 16:12 | |
| kkito | qtopia is gpled | 16:13 |
| kkito | like qt4 | 16:13 |
| nomis | kkito: the question is: Is it a healthy community project? And from what I've heard it is not. | 16:14 |
| nomis | I am biased of course. | 16:14 |
| kkito | nomis, what who wants qtopia on the n800? | 16:15 |
| * jamey sad that I cannot use debian binaries on N800 | 16:15 | |
| kkito | qtopia uses framebuffer for rendering | 16:15 |
| kkito | not Xorg | 16:15 |
| k-s | jamey: debian will move to armel, than that would be possible | 16:15 |
| kkito | n800 is like more a PC than a embedded device... | 16:15 |
| nomis | kkito: sorry, I don't get your point. | 16:15 |
| jamey | k-s, yes, some day it will be possible but today it is not | 16:16 |
| jamey | I do have someone on my team building Ubuntu for armel but that is not ready yet either | 16:16 |
| k-s | jamey: blame debian slowness | 16:17 |
| jamey | blame is not very useful, so I will refrain | 16:18 |
| jamey | just whinging, sorry | 16:18 |
| acydlord | i need to run down to compusa soon and see what kind of deals they have since mine is closing | 16:19 |
| disq | jamey: i want iceweasel-armel. :) | 16:20 |
| jamey | is there something like rpmfind or ipkgfind for maemo? | 16:28 |
| robtaylor | jamey: apt-cache search | 16:28 |
| jamey | robtaylor, that only works for feeds in /etc/apt/source.list | 16:28 |
| jamey | rpmfind and ipkgfind help find feeds that would be helpful if they were in /etc/apt/sources.list | 16:29 |
| robtaylor | jamey: well, its crack to phave multple sources of packages. maemo sucks in that respect, as does fedora | 16:30 |
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| robtaylor | but what can you do =) | 16:31 |
| robtaylor | jamey: the closest thing is http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 16:31 |
| acydlord | going to bed, night | 16:32 |
| jamey | could write something that trolls rss or something and collects deb files into an uber feed, a planet for apt rather than for people | 16:33 |
| disq | there's this: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/03/06/repository-watcher-back-online/ | 16:34 |
| jamey | disq, that is very close | 16:37 |
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| jamey | interesting, a closed wiki | 16:41 |
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| jamey | ok, zope.interface built, starting on twisted | 16:42 |
| jamey | hmm, I'm beginning to like scratchbox, twisted built and installed | 16:43 |
| jamey | neither packaged, will try that now | 16:43 |
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| jamey | I see how to upgrade python in the target, but how do I updated it in scratchbox/tools? | 16:44 |
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| kender | hello | 16:50 |
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| mqu | the maemo wiki says, the kernel zImage should'nt be too big. i cannot find any information how big that would be. i just created a zImage of 1.27 megabytes | 17:11 |
| mqu | is that fine? thx | 17:12 |
| mqu | (to be more precise, i fetched the kernel 2.6.16 sources from the maemo repository and added CONFIG_PPP_MPPE=y) | 17:13 |
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| jamey | mqu, sounds about the right size for a zImage | 17:17 |
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| mqu | jamey: cool, thanks. sounds like there is no exact limit or what? | 17:18 |
| jamey | I do not think so but I do not really know | 17:18 |
| mqu | jamey: but it seems if the image is too big, i can reflash it, isn't it? i wouldn't want to have it sent to nokia or something :/ | 17:19 |
| dragorn | mqu: I don't know what too big is | 17:24 |
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| dragorn | mqu: but the firmware zImage extract is 1283k | 17:24 |
| dragorn | mqu: If that gives you some sort of benchmark. I suppose you could see what the flash mapping is - if the initfs is after the kernel, then "worst case" is you blow away part of your initfs and it won't boot anymore, and you just flash the kernel and initfs back. If something more critical lives after the kernel, you have to worry more. | 17:25 |
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| mqu | dragorn: ok, i'll have a look | 17:29 |
| dragorn | mqu: and if anyone else here has a better answer, listen to them, 'cause I have no idea what the mapping is or what will really happen if you over-size the kernel into the next flash block :P | 17:30 |
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| thomasvs | hey, can you change the name of the device after installation ? | 17:38 |
| thomasvs | I finally managed to recover my jffs2 root image and now I would like to make sure it has the right name | 17:38 |
| dragorn | yeah it's in control panel somewhere | 17:38 |
| tchan | Is there a consensus on whether its worthwhile to upgrade from a 770 to the N800 or not? Enough bang for the buck? | 17:39 |
| cosmo_ | tchan: probably not | 17:40 |
| * Jaffa wouldn't for full price, especially with OS2007on770 coming along; but then the 770 met my needs. I wouldn't go back now, though. | 17:40 | |
| cosmo_ | i won't upgrade, as i want hard cover so that i can take my 770 on the road | 17:40 |
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| tchan | I haven't had the chance to hold a N800 in my hands yet, but I did see the reviews and drooled over being able to use SD memory cards (quite a few in other devices around the house) and the FM radio chip in the N800. | 17:42 |
| Robot101 | tchan: they're definitely faster and able to run more tasks at once, and being able to put in a good 4GB (or 8 if you patch your kernel) of SD is pretty cool | 17:43 |
| derf | thomasvs: Have you gotten Vorbis/Theora in gstreamer working yet? | 17:43 |
| cosmo_ | tchan: i've played with N800 but it wasn't better enough imho | 17:48 |
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| kkito | tchan, plus 330 mhz armv6 snf 128 MB main memory | 17:48 |
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| kkito | snf= and :D | 17:48 |
| tchan | thanks to all for the advice. I was considering stopping by the compusa that's closing soon and seeing if they had any N800's left. I guess I won't even bother then.... | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | I'd say the n800 is considerably better | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | I can't say whether it's worth the price for you | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | the 770 was a little on the 'too slow' side | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | the n800 is 'not very snappy, but fast enough' | 17:51 |
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| thomasvs | derf: on the device ? vorbis yes, theora not tried yet | 17:57 |
| thomasvs | derf: supposedly the vorbis support would integrate with the media player but that doesn't seem to work for me | 17:57 |
| thomasvs | derf: I just spent a week though trying to recover my file system so I haven't done much recently :) | 17:58 |
| derf | thomasvs: Yeah, the integration didn't work for me, either. | 17:58 |
| derf | I've bricked the thing 4 or 5 times so far, and I haven't even had it a week. | 17:58 |
| derf | So I'm not keeping anything important on the file system. | 17:59 |
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| thomasvs | yes, everything is on my flash card | 18:01 |
| thomasvs | but I had installed a bunch of software and I didn't want to reinstall everything for the fourth time in two weeks | 18:01 |
| thomasvs | I'm a little surprised the device is that easy to break :) their support department will be going through hell | 18:02 |
| derf | Maybe it's my card, but that's been really flaky for me as well. | 18:02 |
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| derf | Things ran much better when I took the one out of the internal slot (though maybe just not using it for swap would've also helped). | 18:03 |
| derf | And I tried two cards in that slot, including the one that comes with the device. | 18:03 |
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| thomasvs | hm, I really don't see where in the control panel I can change the device name | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | I think it's in the bluetooth config | 18:08 |
| tigert | thomasvs: bluetooth | 18:08 |
| thomasvs | ahah, thanks | 18:08 |
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| dragorn | it's also in personalization or something | 18:10 |
| dragorn | but the device isn't in this room so I can't check | 18:10 |
| tigert | I dont think there is such a thing? | 18:11 |
| thomasvs | me neither | 18:12 |
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| sm0kr | hi* | 18:44 |
| sm0kr | it is possible to remove a maemo garage account? | 18:44 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 18:45 |
| maddler | bedboilo! | 18:45 |
| maddler | :D | 18:45 |
| maddler | aue`! | 18:46 |
| bedboi | eheh | 18:46 |
| bedboi | aue' | 18:46 |
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| bedboi | anyone knows if there's a gstreamer plugin for dsp decoding of mpeg videos? | 18:46 |
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| maddler | see you later folks... | 19:26 |
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| matsavhalev | Is there a ruby package for latest maemo | 19:29 |
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| matsavhalev | or any onboard way to compile one? | 19:30 |
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| lardman | I'd like to add PowerVR to the "Wish list", the only problem is the justification. Do you think that being able to play flashy games and perhaps have a flashier UI are reasonable reasons? | 19:36 |
| dragorn | video acceleration | 19:36 |
| dragorn | there were several wince devices which used powervr to accelerate the video playback very nicely | 19:36 |
| lardman | okay, so there's another thing then, better video playback. Are you sure that wasn't the IVA device though? | 19:37 |
| dragorn | also, nothing wrong with games/ui elements as part of the justification, we paid for the silicon, lets use it :) | 19:37 |
| dragorn | better looking, and games, can only HELP sell more devices, right? | 19:37 |
| lardman | that would be another justification - it's there, it's frutstating that it can't be uised! | 19:37 |
| lardman | that was my reckoning | 19:37 |
| Tak | if games weren't a justification, there wouldn't be so many game and emulator projects | 19:38 |
| dragorn | lardman: I've been told it was done via powervr, but I'd have to go find my friend and hassle the info out of him (re: video) | 19:38 |
| lardman | dragorn: Okay | 19:40 |
| Tak | wow - I didn't know bricolage was a real word | 19:40 |
| kkito | lardman, gtk+cario+glitz render to an opengl surface | 19:40 |
| lardman | cool | 19:40 |
| kkito | lardman, or qt4+arthur | 19:40 |
| kkito | with powervr we'll have a graphic hw accelerated toolkit.... | 19:41 |
| kkito | we can for example, zoom in/out wepages or mke it miniatures of it... etc etc etc | 19:41 |
| kkito | better than does opera now | 19:42 |
| Tak | yeah, there are a lot of benefits that could be derived from hardware accelerated video outside of the gaming realm | 19:42 |
| kkito | and if tfp extension is implemented... perhaps we'll have a composite desktop... with translucy windows | 19:43 |
| kkito | and with cool effects like compiz does | 19:43 |
| Tak | the place where translucency would really shine IMO is the fullscreen vkb | 19:43 |
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| Tak | most of the cool compiz/beryl effects are related to things that don't happen on an IT with the stock wm: window moves, desktop changes, etc | 19:44 |
| * timeless wants it for the windowed vkb | 19:46 | |
| timeless | so that it would stop messing up web browsers that use onresize | 19:46 |
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| lardman | Right, it's sent. If people have more ideas, I'm sure they can tack them on to the thread, or add them to the wiki if it makes it there | 19:50 |
| [mbm] | it'd be fun to see google earth on a tablet | 19:51 |
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| bill20r3 | I got my N800 yesterday, is there a list anywhere of "must have" software to install? | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | depends on your needs, I suppose | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | I must have fbreader | 19:51 |
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| mgedmin | statusbarclock | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | load-applet | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | osso-xterm | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | ssh | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | less | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | mc | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | vim | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | omweather | 19:52 |
| * bill20r3 saves list | 19:52 | |
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| keesj | ins't xmoto enough reasons? | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | vncviewer, maemo maper, xchat, canola | 19:52 |
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| bill20r3 | Can I use a usb gps reciever, or only bluetooth? | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | only bt | 19:54 |
| [mbm] | nobody has gotten usb working on the n800 | 19:54 |
| lardman | I'm off on holiday, see you all in a few weeks | 19:55 |
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| bill20r3 | I think I read somewhere that it'd work with a powered hub, but that the N800 wont power the device. | 19:56 |
| bill20r3 | is that true, or am I mistaken? | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | it's half-true for the 770 | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | not all powered usb hubs supply power to the upstream port | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | in fact, those that do are violating the usb spec, afaiu | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | on the n800 there's also a software problem: the usb driver doesn't yet support host mode | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | the chip is too new, or something like that | 19:57 |
| derf | Wow, that kind of sucks. | 19:58 |
| derf | How am I supposed to plug in my authentic USB NES controller and play emulated NES games? | 19:58 |
| bill20r3 | ahh, ok. | 19:58 |
| bill20r3 | I guess you need a magical usb to bluetooth adapter. | 19:59 |
| * mgedmin would like to plug in an external LCD | 19:59 | |
| * bill20r3 looks for a cheap bt gps reciever. | 19:59 | |
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| s-ndh-c | can you have internet connection via cellphone an gps reciever connected at once? | 20:01 |
| s-ndh-c | *and* | 20:01 |
| kkito | what is the xorg version from n800? | 20:01 |
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| dragorn | cool, osso-xterm returns mouse events to curses. | 20:04 |
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| [mbm] | dragorn: posted the suspend stuff to the maemo dev list; was a response by someone at nokia | 20:06 |
| dragorn | [mbm]: yah? | 20:06 |
| [mbm] | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/008915.html | 20:08 |
| [mbm] | nothing too insightful, but interesting | 20:08 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 20:11 |
| [mbm] | hmm.. isn't that a stereotype? | 20:13 |
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| tko | someone mention http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383035 to Guard][an when he gets back? | 20:23 |
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| maddler | doh! | 20:49 |
| florian | re | 20:52 |
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| maddler | florian: hi | 20:58 |
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| timeless | hi jmr | 21:43 |
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| dh_swing | Hey all. Anyone get qtopia 4.2 running on a N800? | 21:51 |
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| dh_swing | From the logs it looks like kkito managed a kde4 alpha... | 21:55 |
| dh_swing | kkito: how about a quick one pager on your work? | 21:56 |
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| Tak | qtopia's proprietary, isn't it? | 21:58 |
| dh_swing | They gpl'd 4.2 | 21:59 |
| dh_swing | http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2006-12-19.3282791093 | 21:59 |
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| Tak | ah | 22:00 |
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| dh_swing | With a descent on-screen keyboard, and all periphs working -- I would love to compare the two platforms... | 22:01 |
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| maddler | dh_swing: yep, that would be a nice benchmark... | 22:13 |
| * ljp has qtopia running on 770 | 22:15 | |
| dh_swing | I had seen that... Any docs on that other than a single photo? | 22:15 |
| maddler | ljp: hmmm... and you didn't said anything?! :D | 22:15 |
| dh_swing | maddler: Throw in a damn 2.6 driver for opengl/vg, and we would really be off and running. | 22:16 |
| maddler | dh_swing: indeed... | 22:16 |
| thomasvs | why is it so hard to find where to buy nokia stuff | 22:16 |
| thomasvs | all I want is some gps | 22:16 |
| dh_swing | Come on nokia!! You gave us this fun, <semi-open> platform; now let us realize it's full potential! | 22:17 |
| dh_swing | Spend a few damn $$ on a driver from TI, and give a little love back... | 22:17 |
| thomasvs | http://europe.nokia.com/accessorieslink?s=N800NavigationKit <-- where is the buy button | 22:17 |
| maddler | thomasvs: still not released, dude... | 22:18 |
| florian | heh, that seems to be a frequent problem with the Nokia website ;) | 22:18 |
| maddler | you have to wait... | 22:18 |
| maddler | :) | 22:18 |
| maddler | beside that... yes... they could make it a better experience... :) | 22:19 |
| maddler | away from being a well-made site... | 22:19 |
| thomasvs | maddler: why doesn't the site *say* that ? | 22:22 |
| maddler | well... it's not even saying you can buy... :) | 22:22 |
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| maddler | hehehe... joking... as florian said... Nokia's web is not so "user friendly" | 22:23 |
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| maddler | they make great phones (and IT of course!) but they should spend a bit more for their web site... | 22:23 |
| tigert | I think they *spend* enough | 22:24 |
| tigert | changing the agency might help | 22:24 |
| thomasvs | maddler: well, it is in a shop :) | 22:25 |
| thomasvs | well, ok, I will just use the intarweb to rant omnidirectionally :) | 22:25 |
| thomasvs | bye guys | 22:25 |
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| roope | Morning. | 22:35 |
| roope | You can't buy any of the nokia products from that site. | 22:36 |
| roope | I guess they don't want to aggravate their retailers. | 22:36 |
| roope | With the internet tablet it's just bit of a problem. :) | 22:36 |
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| s-ndh-c | is there any PIM for maemo that can be synced with outlook or atleast a desktop installation of evolution? | 22:42 |
| s-ndh-c | i want to use my n770 to access my mails and stuff and have my contacts when iam on the run | 22:43 |
| tigert | use gmail | 22:47 |
| tigert | :] | 22:47 |
| s-ndh-c | tigert: iam doing that atm | 22:47 |
| timeless | google calendar works iirc | 22:47 |
| s-ndh-c | will modest be released soon? | 22:48 |
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| Tak | gpe-cal syncs with gcal | 22:49 |
| Tak | I bet evolution syncs with gcal ;-) | 22:49 |
| s-ndh-c | hm will have a look at that | 22:49 |
| tigert | timeless: it doesnt quite work | 22:49 |
| tigert | almost | 22:49 |
| tigert | it seems to be getting better | 22:49 |
| tigert | they have been fixing the html I guess | 22:50 |
| s-ndh-c | is there any documentation on all that? somepage that shows which pim apps availiable for maemo sync with what software and such? | 22:50 |
| tigert | it renders ok but adding events seems a bit broken | 22:50 |
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| maddler | Guard][an: a message from tko -> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383035 | 23:21 |
| maddler | :) | 23:21 |
| Guard][an | hmm | 23:23 |
| Guard][an | gonna read :) | 23:23 |
| Guard][an | thx | 23:23 |
| maddler | Guard][an: you're welcome... | 23:23 |
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| ajturner | ok, so the other day some app mgr update hosed my N800 to where it will boot showing the progress bar then hang | 23:56 |
| ajturner | I finally got a liinux live cd and enable-rd-mode, but now it just hangs w/o even showing the blue bar | 23:56 |
| mgedmin | let me guess, you have dropbear installed? | 23:57 |
| ajturner | was that the culprit? | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | yup | 23:57 |
| ajturner | yeah, up'd dropbear & canola | 23:57 |
| ajturner | so what is the resolution | 23:57 |
| ajturner | :) | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | pressing the keypad keys randomly to populate the kernel's entropy pool | 23:57 |
| mgedmin | and one it boots, upgrade dropbear asap | 23:58 |
| mgedmin | I don't know exactly how long you have to keep pressing the keys | 23:58 |
| mgedmin | I use openssh instead of dropbear | 23:58 |
| mgedmin | but this problem was mentioned several times in the mailing list during the last several days | 23:58 |
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