| ajturner | mgedmin - how long should I have to do that, estimated? | 00:00 |
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| maddler | ajturner: from "a lot" to "more than a lot" IMHO | 00:01 |
| maddler | :) | 00:01 |
| ajturner | I mean, 1-2 mins | 00:01 |
| ajturner | or 10-20 mins? | 00:02 |
| maddler | ajturner: I have no idea... | 00:02 |
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| ajturner | and what does "like crazy " mean | 00:02 |
| ajturner | hrm | 00:02 |
| ajturner | so any of the keys? | 00:02 |
| ajturner | dpad 'nuff? | 00:02 |
| maddler | basically you have to supply some random data to kernel's entropy pool... | 00:03 |
| maddler | randomly pressing your pad... | 00:04 |
| ajturner | I 'm in rdmode - would that make it not work? | 00:04 |
| ajturner | just tried twice | 00:04 |
| maddler | once enough entropy will be gathered to dropbear it will complete generating keys or whatever and boot process will continue... | 00:05 |
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| maddler | only twice? | 00:05 |
| ajturner | maddler - should I wait until after the blue bar is finished? | 00:05 |
| ajturner | heh | 00:05 |
| maddler | I'd say more than 50 :) | 00:05 |
| ajturner | I tried mashing like crazy | 00:05 |
| maddler | ajturner: no idea... | 00:05 |
| ajturner | 3 mins, gave up | 00:06 |
| maddler | keep generating entropy until the blue bar is gone... and hands shown... | 00:06 |
| ajturner | thank gawd | 00:06 |
| ajturner | the third time there wasn't even a blue bar | 00:06 |
| ajturner | fourth time the charm I guess | 00:07 |
| ajturner | that was painful | 00:07 |
| ajturner | 2-3 days w/o N800 :( | 00:07 |
| tigert | gack | 00:07 |
| ajturner | indeed tigert | 00:07 |
| derf | They warned you that installing 3rd party software could harm your device. | 00:07 |
| ajturner | hah | 00:08 |
| tigert | hehe | 00:08 |
| tigert | man | 00:08 |
| tigert | it still sucks | 00:08 |
| tigert | but I must sleep now | 00:08 |
| tigert | night! | 00:08 |
| ajturner | I love hte N800, but the N800 w/o other s/w is not so much the useful | 00:08 |
| derf | I don't know why anyone would buy the thing and not install 3rd party software. | 00:08 |
| ajturner | g'night tigert | 00:08 |
| ajturner | derf - well, it's a nice disclaimer | 00:08 |
| ajturner | allows you to say the warranty is void? ;) | 00:09 |
| bill20r3 | can anyone reccomend an inexpensive bluetooth gps reciever? | 00:09 |
| ajturner | when is the next release | 00:09 |
| ajturner | bill2r3 - how inexpensive? | 00:09 |
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| derf | "Please don't abuse our tech support resources, we need them for people who don't actually know what they're doing." | 00:09 |
| maddler | tigert: see you dude... | 00:09 |
| ajturner | bill20r3 > or < $100 ? | 00:09 |
| maddler | derf: simply because they don't know about other software :) | 00:09 |
| bill20r3 | $100 please. | 00:10 |
| bill20r3 | err, < | 00:10 |
| maddler | bill20r3: usaually inexpensive receivers won't even try to understand your location... ;) | 00:10 |
| ajturner | the Wbt-200 is very nice | 00:10 |
| bill20r3 | I dont really need one, but it'd be fun to play with mapper, if I could find one cheap. | 00:10 |
| ajturner | http://www.semsons.com/wi3mugpsrebt.html | 00:10 |
| ajturner | $90 | 00:10 |
| * bill20r3 takes a look | 00:10 | |
| bill20r3 | cool, thanks. | 00:10 |
| maddler | bill20r3: give a look at Holux 236, nice device... | 00:10 |
| maddler | not sure price in $ | 00:10 |
| * bill20r3 googles | 00:10 | |
| maddler | ajturner: btw... if it won't boot... simply reflash it! :) | 00:11 |
| bill20r3 | looks like about $130us | 00:11 |
| ajturner | madler, considered that - but it works | 00:11 |
| ajturner | when is the next release? | 00:11 |
| ajturner | or how far along is... sardine? | 00:11 |
| maddler | next release should arrive soon... | 00:12 |
| Streg | I like my http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/holux-gpslim-240-little-doesnt-eat-much-power-206023.php small, cheap and does the job | 00:12 |
| ajturner | bill20r3, for a *really* nice bt gps, check out the NaviGPS - unlike the others it has a lcd display, but like 94 euro | 00:12 |
| maddler | Streg: yep... holux 240 is nice too... | 00:12 |
| maddler | Streg: but my 236 is small enough... :) | 00:13 |
| ajturner | WBT-200 is like a postage stamp :) | 00:13 |
| ajturner | yay - dropbear updated | 00:13 |
| maddler | ajturner: link for NaviGPS? | 00:13 |
| ajturner | now I can actually get down to dev | 00:13 |
| ajturner | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GPS_Reviews#NaviGPS_.2F_.28B.29GT-11 | 00:13 |
| Streg | maddler: well don't care so much about the size, but got a good deal on a brand new on on ebay.de, straight from taiwan. | 00:14 |
| ajturner | the WBT200 & NaviGPS are great b/c they're loggers, which means you don't need you N800 around to log GPS | 00:14 |
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| maddler | Streg: good... | 00:14 |
| ajturner | then d/l it via GPSBabel to GPX and view in MaemoMapper :) | 00:14 |
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| Pio | i got a cellink btg-7000.. it was like $45 USD :) | 00:15 |
| maddler | ajturner: yup... nice... | 00:16 |
| maddler | looking for NaviGPS in ebay... nothing... :( | 00:16 |
| ajturner | yeah, hard to get stateside unfor | 00:16 |
| ajturner | UK & Taiwan | 00:16 |
| ajturner | and limited quantities | 00:16 |
| ajturner | but very nice | 00:16 |
| maddler | .it here btw | 00:17 |
| ajturner | ah | 00:17 |
| ajturner | well, same prob :) but maybe easier to get shipped | 00:17 |
| ajturner | btw - why is Wordpress available to install ? | 00:18 |
| maddler | it should... | 00:18 |
| maddler | I'm happy with pppblog btw... | 00:18 |
| maddler | http://217.133.171.19:8180/blog/ | 00:18 |
| maddler | LD | 00:18 |
| maddler | :D | 00:18 |
| maddler | works nice enough... | 00:19 |
| ajturner | running off your N800? | 00:19 |
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| dragorn | anyone ever have control panel no longer be able to use small icons? | 00:20 |
| dragorn | oh, fun. now it no longer draws them as categories, it draws them as one big list. and it just crashed. :P | 00:22 |
| maddler | ajturner: right :) | 00:22 |
| maddler | pretty fast, isn't it? :) | 00:22 |
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| ajturner | not shabby | 00:22 |
| ajturner | but I'm curious - why? | 00:22 |
| ajturner | I mean, web interface to the device - yay, | 00:22 |
| ajturner | but a blog? | 00:23 |
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| maddler | it's useful to use as a way to share files with my workmates... :) | 00:23 |
| ajturner | hrm | 00:23 |
| ajturner | interesting | 00:23 |
| maddler | yes... I mean... something "easier" would have done th job as well... | 00:23 |
| maddler | e.g. a simple html page... | 00:23 |
| maddler | but this way I can also organize informations and so on... | 00:24 |
| ajturner | right, I mean, could be super-cool | 00:24 |
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| maddler | yep... and also... | 00:24 |
| maddler | which is the _main_ point... | 00:24 |
| maddler | I'm a tegno-nerd! :D | 00:24 |
| maddler | let's face it! :D | 00:24 |
| ajturner | so yeah, imagine that this had a nice "Web service", so a desktop app would make REST queries to your device | 00:24 |
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| maddler | s/tegno/tecno/ | 00:24 |
| ajturner | for getting photos, calendar, etc. | 00:24 |
| maddler | REST? | 00:25 |
| ajturner | pull off an RSS feed from the N800 of photos, locations you've been | 00:25 |
| ajturner | maddler, think URL calls, like http://your8000/?request=getphotos | 00:25 |
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| ajturner | or request=addevent&name=Dinner&time=... | 00:26 |
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| ajturner | so really flexing the "device as a server of data" | 00:27 |
| ajturner | wonder if I can run a rails app on my N800 ;) | 00:28 |
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| maddler | hahaha... yep... that would be a nice point :) | 00:29 |
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| Tak | http://tinyurl.com/2bpwwz | 00:51 |
| b0unc3 | someone can do that : wc -l /home/user/.osso/menus/applications.menu ? | 00:52 |
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| [mbm] | 'lo. | 01:01 |
| kkito | hello :) | 01:01 |
| kkito | i am running kde 3.5 on the n800 ;) and it runs... FAST! | 01:01 |
| [mbm] | that just sounds so wrong | 01:02 |
| kkito | i amb browsing the web with konqueror... | 01:02 |
| kkito | do you know where the flash plugin is? | 01:02 |
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| [mbm] | sd card dual boot, or what'd you do with the 2007? | 01:02 |
| kkito | [mbm], to me? | 01:02 |
| [mbm] | kkito: yeah | 01:03 |
| kkito | i stopped the af-base-app and the window manager, and then startkde | 01:03 |
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| [mbm] | kkito: /usr/lib/browser/plugins | 01:04 |
| kkito | it is faster than the default desktop enviorment... | 01:04 |
| kkito | i am really impressed | 01:04 |
| kkito | [mbm], thx | 01:05 |
| [mbm] | thinking of installing debian on an sd card and either dualbooting or just chroot pivot into it | 01:06 |
| kkito | [mbm], n800 has enough power... if it can run kde 3.5 without problems.... | 01:07 |
| kkito | if it can run amarok it will be amazing :D | 01:08 |
| kkito | amarok with the gstreamer backend | 01:08 |
| [mbm] | what's amarok? | 01:08 |
| kkito | the best music manager/player | 01:08 |
| Knirch | s/the best// | 01:08 |
| kkito | yes it is the best ;) | 01:10 |
| Knirch | hardly | 01:10 |
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| kkito | an kdepim is 100 times better than gpe pim... | 01:11 |
| Knirch | oh, sorry, I seem to have misplaced the memo that tonight was going to be trollingnight. Guess I'll go to bed instead. Cheerio | 01:11 |
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| kkito | oh the flash plugin doesnt run in konqueror | 01:23 |
| kkito | :_( | 01:23 |
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| b0unc3 | the n800 can read an ext2 partition ? | 01:30 |
| derf | Yes. | 01:30 |
| derf | You have to insmod the kernel module, though. | 01:31 |
| [mbm] | it gives you a lovely "mmc card corrupted" message if you insert an sd card before loading the ext2/3 modules | 01:33 |
| b0unc3 | uhm... yes I see it ... seems that there are no modules for ext* support | 01:35 |
| b0unc3 | by default | 01:35 |
| kkito | b0unc3, yes | 01:35 |
| kkito | there are the modules | 01:35 |
| kkito | /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ | 01:36 |
| kkito | insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/mbcache.ko | 01:36 |
| kkito | insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ext2.ko | 01:36 |
| [mbm] | for ext3 it's mbcache, jbd, ext3 | 01:37 |
| b0unc3 | kkito: thanks. | 01:41 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: hi pal! | 01:43 |
| maddler | damn... looks like I'll have to replace one of my server's motherboard... | 01:44 |
| maddler | I hate that! :D | 01:44 |
| kkito | maddler, good luck | 01:53 |
| maddler | kkito: eh... just ordered new one... | 01:55 |
| maddler | it will be here tomorrow morning... | 01:56 |
| maddler | maybe a BIOS upgrade would solve the issue... | 01:56 |
| maddler | but being a server... I can't/won't take the risk... ;) | 01:56 |
| kkito | :) | 01:57 |
| maddler | maybe I'll just buy a new processor some time... and I'll keep it as last resort back-up ;) | 01:58 |
| kkito | oh you must to see how kde 3.5 runs on the n800 | 01:59 |
| maddler | I'd like to give this a try: INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6600 2.40GHz | 01:59 |
| kkito | it time to build more kde apps! :) | 02:00 |
| maddler | kkito: hehehe... what about an howto? :) | 02:00 |
| maddler | on how to make kde running on N800... | 02:00 |
| kkito | maddler, oh, it is not so difficult, but you must to install a lot of new packages | 02:00 |
| kkito | and some packages are a bit difficvult to build.... | 02:01 |
| kkito | anyways when i have a good kde app catalog i will make a tar.gz that you can extract on your sd card (ext2) and run a script to start a full kde enviorment :) | 02:02 |
| maddler | kkito: cool... | 02:02 |
| maddler | that would be _nice_! | 02:02 |
| maddler | will you also have beryl running? | 02:03 |
| maddler | LOL! | 02:03 |
| kkito | maddler, jajaaj impossible! | 02:03 |
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| kkito | we need opengl support with tfp extension for that.... | 02:03 |
| maddler | hehehe... I know... just joking! :) | 02:03 |
| kkito | :) | 02:03 |
| MacSlow | and a driver to boot ;) | 02:04 |
| maddler | well... beside that... it can be done! | 02:05 |
| maddler | hahahaa | 02:05 |
| maddler | quote from: The young Frankenstein :D | 02:05 |
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| Streg | kde is nothing :) http://blog.locationist.net/2007/03/08/windows-xp-on-nokia-n800/ I'm actually using my N800 with mirc to post this message :) | 02:07 |
| maddler | Streg: hahahaha... | 02:07 |
| Streg | had to try :) | 02:07 |
| kkito | jajaaj :) | 02:07 |
| maddler | true... | 02:08 |
| kkito | but kde ir sunning natively on the n800 | 02:08 |
| kkito | is running | 02:08 |
| maddler | I have to confess I've been trying rdesktop yesterday! :D | 02:08 |
| Streg | but for a IM/widget/weather/news sideshow it could be useful | 02:08 |
| maddler | FORGIVE ME! | 02:08 |
| maddler | :) | 02:09 |
| kkito | and man! linux 2.6 is better than any windows ;) | 02:09 |
| maddler | I'm _very_ curious! | 02:09 |
| maddler | kkito: hey! you can't compare gold with stones! ;) | 02:09 |
| maddler | Linux is a real O.S. | 02:09 |
| maddler | windows is just a nice GUI! :D | 02:09 |
| maddler | ghghgh | 02:09 |
| Streg | true. Linux is better in most areas, I'm just lazy to make the final switch :) | 02:11 |
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| kkito | the problem is 3rt party software... | 02:16 |
| kkito | macromedia, adobe, and so... | 02:16 |
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| kerwood | Is there anything special I need to do when installing scratchbox/maemo within OpenSuSE 10.2? | 02:18 |
| maddler | kkito: yup... hopefully things will change... soon (I hope) | 02:18 |
| maddler | hmmm... looks like MDK blog needs a good antispam :) | 02:18 |
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| [mbm] | . | 02:30 |
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| maddler | [mbm]: .. | 02:35 |
| [mbm] | power management needs a lot of work :/ | 02:37 |
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| kkito | [mbm], ? | 02:41 |
| kkito | is it using acpi? | 02:41 |
| [mbm] | kkito: thread here - http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/008910.html | 02:42 |
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| maddler | hmmm... jsut realized I'm not getting maemo-devel mails... | 03:27 |
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| maddler | [mbm]: /wg 22 | 03:41 |
| maddler | wops! :D | 03:41 |
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| nelson | Is there an audio recorder for 2007 like maemo-recorder? | 03:50 |
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| Unique311 | did yaa try 2006 version of the recorder | 04:03 |
| ajturner | is there way to rdesktop the n770? | 04:10 |
| ajturner | or n800 | 04:10 |
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| nelson | Unique311: yes, I did. Worked nicely. | 04:14 |
| Unique311 | cool | 04:14 |
| Unique311 | i always try them unless i read somwhere it borkes tthe system | 04:15 |
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| nelson | Unique311: oh! I'm sorry ... I had tried the 2006 version on my 770. | 04:19 |
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| Unique311 | ok | 04:28 |
| kakos | Is there any way to speed up the "Annotate PDF" feature in Xournal on the 770? | 04:30 |
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| disq | kakos: xournal is painfully slow on the 770 no matter what you do | 04:48 |
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| Snelhest | what is the easiest way i can sftp to my N800 ? | 05:33 |
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| nelson | maemo-blog seems to crash on 2007. Anybody else using it? | 05:42 |
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| WillySilly | is there a ruby deb for os2007? | 05:47 |
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| RocketHPC | Does anyone know the status of Bluetooth mouse support on the N800? | 05:56 |
| RocketHPC | I am interested in using a Mogo Mouse for playing Quake 2 | 05:56 |
| nelson | lots of questions .... not many answers. | 06:01 |
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| hon | what are the currently supported devices? I am considering buying a few ones | 06:48 |
| Snelhest | hon: hmm? N800 and 770 only i think | 06:51 |
| hon | I want to use them as a test-bed. What is important for me is to be able to play with 802.11 module and other wireless modules (if there is any) as much as possible. Do you know what wireless modules are on the device? | 06:53 |
| Snelhest | not sure | 06:53 |
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| hon | what are the differences between 800 and 770? | 06:55 |
| Snelhest | hon: 800 are faster more ram | 06:55 |
| Snelhest | and alot more | 06:55 |
| hon | I see. Where can I find the specs? | 06:56 |
| Snelhest | hon: nokia's webpage | 06:56 |
| hon | somehow I cannot access their page. is there a friendly place (wiki/...) on maemo.org or I have to check the nokia's page? | 06:57 |
| Snelhest | hmm | 06:57 |
| Snelhest | no idea if the specs are in the wiki | 06:57 |
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| tchan | http://nokia770.com/nokia-770-specs/ | 07:21 |
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| hon | thanks a lot. I couldn't pass through the flash page | 07:40 |
| hon | is there a similar page for N800? I cannot find anything in http://www.nokiausa.com/N800 | 07:45 |
| hon | (some parts of the page do not work properly, and also I couldn't find any technical specs) | 07:46 |
| tchan | at nokia770.com there are several links to reviews of the N800. I think the reviews list the tech specs for the N800 | 07:46 |
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| hon | what is N880? there is a link for N880 which turns out to be photos of N800 | 07:49 |
| hon | is it upcoming? | 07:49 |
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| disq | hon: "the 880" was the rumored name for the N800. | 07:52 |
| Snelhest | hon: no, i got one in front of me :) | 07:52 |
| hon | Especifically, I want to know if there is anything for 802.11n in the device (N800). The reviews are not so technical | 07:53 |
| Snelhest | hon: i really dont think so | 07:55 |
| hon | We have some custom built devices (using VxWorks), and I want to switch to an open platform. Any sort of specs is very appreciated. (even e.g. lspci, cat /proc/cpuinfo, cat /etc/meminfo, ...) | 07:57 |
| Snelhest | hon: ok, 1sec | 07:58 |
| hon | Snelhest: thanks a lot | 07:58 |
| Snelhest | http://pastebin.ca/385939 | 07:59 |
| Snelhest | hon: only /etc/cpuinfo worked though | 07:59 |
| derf | I don't know what you're using it for, but anything not using VxWorks would be an improvement. | 08:00 |
| hon | Snelhest: sorry, can you also try cat /proc/meminfo (/etc/meminfo was my mistake) | 08:01 |
| Snelhest | ah | 08:01 |
| Snelhest | http://pastebin.ca/385945 | 08:02 |
| hon | thanks a lot. btw does it have java? | 08:03 |
| Snelhest | 90% sure it doesnt | 08:03 |
| * hon is curious what that "java" in the "Features" of the cpu is ... | 08:04 | |
| derf | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-April/003544.html | 08:05 |
| derf | No idea what the current status is, but that was the first Google result. | 08:05 |
| JussiP | You mean Jazelle? | 08:08 |
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| keesj | Happy happy joy joy | 10:27 |
| zuh | keesj: You found powervr drivers? | 10:30 |
| keesj | :) I read about it a bit yesterday on this channel. but no. | 10:31 |
| acydlord | aw crap, it's my birthday | 10:31 |
| keesj | it's just that I started my new jobs and I am very happy with that, | 10:31 |
| zuh | keesj: cool | 10:32 |
| zuh | acydlord: Congrats! :) | 10:32 |
| keesj | I get to hack all day long, and they will pay me*I hope* | 10:32 |
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| acydlord | ty zuh, i'm a quarter of a century old today | 10:32 |
| zuh | ah, I remember the days... | 10:33 |
| zuh | Well, it _was_ only two years ago ;) | 10:33 |
| zeenix | keesj: which job? | 10:34 |
| keesj | I never head anybody on irc tell where they where working | 10:35 |
| keesj | I don't know why | 10:36 |
| keesj | I get to work on the linux kernel group for an embeded device | 10:36 |
| keesj | I have been doing mostly java and such, my previous job was at http://www.exmachina.nl/ | 10:37 |
| keesj | hmm apperently they are searching to replace me http://www.exmachina.nl/jobs.php | 10:38 |
| acydlord | lol | 10:39 |
| acydlord | i applied for a job at godaddy but they denied me employment | 10:39 |
| acydlord | might apply for a job at dell since they might be supporting linux soon | 10:39 |
| sxpert | doesn't godaddy uses MS crap exclusively ? | 10:42 |
| acydlord | nah, godaddy uses linux servers | 10:43 |
| acydlord | they have linux and ms | 10:43 |
| acydlord | and dell has ben using windows only on their systems, but the customers are requesting linux installs as an option | 10:44 |
| keesj | there was a mail about power consuption yesterday | 10:44 |
| keesj | my n800 really feels like a laptop It feels like I have to recharge it very often. this it not the case with my 770 running it2007-haxor , that one fels more like a phone that needs rechage once in a while at night | 10:45 |
| keesj | do other feel the same? | 10:45 |
| Veggen | yes. | 10:46 |
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| Veggen | keesj: But I believe these are known problems, expected to be better in next release? | 10:47 |
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| acydlord | i have to recharge my n800 just about every 3 hours of use like clockwork | 10:51 |
| Veggen | might be bugs that causes something to use 100% CPU at times? | 10:52 |
| Veggen | (have you checked top?) | 10:52 |
| Veggen | I don't think mine is that bad. | 10:52 |
| [mbm] | there's tons of says to drain the n800 battery | 10:52 |
| keesj | yes , I have removed the crawlers , canola and media-streamer | 10:53 |
| acydlord | i had to recharge my 770 every 4-5 hours of heavy use | 10:53 |
| acydlord | i'm almost always running xchat and gaim | 10:53 |
| [mbm] | wifi and bluetooth are probably the biggest drain | 10:53 |
| keesj | acydlord: Heavy use! | 10:53 |
| acydlord | well the n800 i have to recharge after 3 of heavy use | 10:54 |
| [mbm] | but a loaded cpu (check your loadavg) and even an unused mmc card will drain | 10:54 |
| keesj | I also have the feeling it's hot sometimes at the top | 10:54 |
| acydlord | sd cards use less power than rs-mmc don't they? | 10:54 |
| acydlord | keesj, it will get hot near the battery under heavy load | 10:55 |
| [mbm] | batteries get hot as they charge or discharge | 10:56 |
| acydlord | i wonder how hard it would be to undervolt the proc like i used to do in my laptop | 10:57 |
| acydlord | i used to get 6 hours out of a 3hr battery on my laptop that way lol | 10:57 |
| * [mbm] has been screwing around with the power management stuff | 10:58 | |
| acydlord | sweet | 10:59 |
| [mbm] | best thing you can do is turn the device off when you're not using it, but that comes with the downside of waiting 30 sec for it to boot | 10:59 |
| * acydlord has been fixing wordpress sqlite support | 10:59 | |
| inz | acyd, how's it coming? | 11:00 |
| [mbm] | I've been putting mine into standby mode lately and getting decent battery | 11:00 |
| acydlord | pretty good so far inz | 11:00 |
| acydlord | hopefully i can get it to return 0 errors soon | 11:00 |
| inz | acyd, great! | 11:00 |
| acydlord | as of right now the only place it is giving me erros is the dashboard page | 11:01 |
| zeenix | keesj: thats weird! at least me and zuh would tell where we work at :) | 11:02 |
| acydlord | i currently work in my apartment modding and building computers | 11:05 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:28 |
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| acydlord | morning | 11:29 |
| acydlord | lol, i accidentally hit kill with no process selected | 11:31 |
| acydlord | rebooted the n800 | 11:31 |
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| [mbm] | shocking huh? | 11:31 |
| acydlord | i know right? | 11:32 |
| [mbm] | no. | 11:32 |
| acydlord | i meant to highlight grsync | 11:32 |
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| acydlord | cyrsync is not that great | 11:34 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:39 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 13:24 |
| florian | hi maddler | 13:25 |
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| maddler | florian: hi | 13:27 |
| tigert | http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1071349/L/ < great UI :) | 13:45 |
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| florian | hi herzi | 13:46 |
| florian | tigert: wah! | 13:46 |
| herzi | hey florian | 13:47 |
| florian | tigert: i wonder if that would make a good wallpaper :-) | 13:51 |
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| kkito | hello | 13:55 |
| kkito | do you know how to install python python-dev on the scratchbox ? | 13:56 |
| aCiDBaSe | apt-get install python2.5-dev | 13:56 |
| kkito | aCiDBaSe, i have a lot of dependency errors | 13:56 |
| aCiDBaSe | did you put the SDK and extra respositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and ran apt-get update? | 13:57 |
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| kkito | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 13:58 |
| kkito | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 13:58 |
| kkito | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free | 13:58 |
| kkito | i need more repositories? | 13:58 |
| tigert | florian: it did :) | 14:01 |
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| florian | tigert: :-) | 14:01 |
| kkito | aCiDBaSe, what repositories do you have on the scratchbox? | 14:01 |
| aCiDBaSe | kkito: your source.list is ok... | 14:02 |
| kkito | hmmm | 14:03 |
| aCiDBaSe | kkito: can you send me the dependency problems? | 14:03 |
| kkito | aCiDBaSe, yes one second :) | 14:03 |
| kkito | anyways i am going to do an apt-get upgrade, perhaps that solves something... | 14:04 |
| aCiDBaSe | ok | 14:05 |
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| kkito | a lot of dependency problems with an apt-get upgrade too... it claims that pkg-config it is not installable :/ | 14:07 |
| kkito | http://pastebin.com/895823 | 14:07 |
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| kkito | wel li installled using dpkg --forca-all ... | 14:19 |
| Veggen | kkito: uhm...busybox is | 14:21 |
| kkito | :P | 14:21 |
| Veggen | *not* smart to upgrade. | 14:21 |
| Veggen | apt-get upgrade. | 14:21 |
| Veggen | (is dangerous) | 14:21 |
| kkito | why the hell the osso/hildeon desktop components are not freedesktop compatible.... | 14:22 |
| kkito | the window manager sucks | 14:22 |
| kkito | it is linux, ok, but the desktop components are not linux standard (freedesktop) it is a headache to make linux/Desktop software to run ok under n800 | 14:23 |
| kkito | Linux=GNU/linux | 14:24 |
| kkito | and the crappy Vkb implementation... | 14:24 |
| spaetz | Is it normal that Nokia service oes not reply within 3 days after writing them? | 14:25 |
| spaetz | my headset broke and I need it replaced | 14:25 |
| kkito | spaetz, oh :( i dont know | 14:26 |
| kkito | send another email | 14:26 |
| acydlord | usually perephials aren't covered under the warraunty | 14:26 |
| kkito | or call :/ | 14:26 |
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| kkito | how is it the right mouse click implemented on maemo? is it gtk dependent ? | 14:40 |
| acydlord | holding the stylus in place for a second is right click | 14:41 |
| kkito | acydlord, yes, i know, but how is it imlemented? | 14:41 |
| kkito | on top of gtk? or on top of X? | 14:41 |
| timeless | "badly" ;-) | 14:42 |
| acydlord | ^ | 14:42 |
| acydlord | other than that not exactly sure | 14:42 |
| timeless | note that right clicking on a maemo system running on a desktop "works" | 14:42 |
| jait | you mean the tap'n hold? i think it's in gtk | 14:42 |
| timeless | i.e. you get the "CSM" (whatever that is) | 14:42 |
| suihkulokki | Context Sensitive Menu | 14:43 |
| acydlord | i think tap-menu works as well, not sure | 14:43 |
| kkito | because i installed kde 3.5.6, sll is working nice, i binded the buttons to kde, fullscreen, + - buttons etc... | 14:43 |
| kkito | but if right mouse click is implemented on top of gtk... bad think, i must to instll kde mouse emulation ... | 14:44 |
| kkito | thing :P | 14:44 |
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| kkito | the funny thing is that it is faster kde for me than the maemo desktop..... | 14:45 |
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| kkito | an it runs ok without swap | 14:49 |
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| zuh | Tap&hold is not right-clicking, it's a separate maemo-API in GtkWidget | 14:49 |
| zuh | There was this gtk module, libstylus or something, that implemented right clicking with a long press. IMO it worked better than t&h but you don't get fancy animations etc with that... | 14:51 |
| zuh | But that was implemented so that it matched right-click on desktop and thus wouldn't need maemo-specific code for context menus etc | 14:51 |
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| kkito | zuh, http://www.abisource.com/projects/libstylus/ ? | 14:54 |
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| maddler | yum! | 15:16 |
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| s-ndh-c | is there any effort from nokia`s side to provide some PIM application that can be easily synced with common desktop software like evolution or ms outlook? | 15:36 |
| acydlord | nokia is lazy, why do you think they made maemo open source? | 15:38 |
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| maddler | acydlord: hehehehe | 15:41 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean they have that in their smartphones too, why not on the tablets? | 15:42 |
| acydlord | the tabletsuse evolution databases for the contacts and such | 15:42 |
| s-ndh-c | what i would love to have would be a mailclient which supports imap mailpush, and the option to easily sync calendar,contacts and todo information with my desktop | 15:44 |
| acydlord | welcome to the club | 15:45 |
| acydlord | i would like a mail client that has more features than pine | 15:45 |
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| acydlord | i mean even having images would be nice | 15:46 |
| s-ndh-c | and i would need alarm feature | 15:46 |
| s-ndh-c | seems like i would have to spend some freetime investigating how that could be accomplished | 15:48 |
| * tigert just uses gmail happily | 15:48 | |
| tigert | sync is for wimps anyway | 15:48 |
| * tigert ducks | 15:48 | |
| acydlord | i pretty much only use the onboard mail client to tell me when to go check gmail | 15:49 |
| s-ndh-c | will gmail support imap any soon? | 15:49 |
| jaebird | i would like to see a gmail app for N800 | 15:50 |
| acydlord | i think it supports both imap and pop | 15:50 |
| jwb | acydlord, um... i don't think it does imap | 15:50 |
| jwb | unless that's a new development | 15:50 |
| s-ndh-c | no they only do pop3 | 15:50 |
| acydlord | ahh | 15:51 |
| s-ndh-c | i allways wondered about that | 15:51 |
| jaebird | the java midlet google made is a nice way of getting mail on my phone...but a full featured client would be cool for the N800 | 15:51 |
| s-ndh-c | every freemailer supports imap, atleast all i know, except gmail | 15:51 |
| acydlord | imap is oldschool though :p | 15:52 |
| s-ndh-c | is there anything better? | 15:52 |
| acydlord | chuck norris roundhousing mail to you? | 15:52 |
| maddler | imap oldschool? naaaa... | 15:55 |
| maddler | it's the future! :D | 15:55 |
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| jamey | is there anyone here who maintains maemo scratchbox/tools/bin ? | 16:51 |
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| jamey | btw, yesterday I built and packaged cdbs, boost, flex, gmp, icu, python-central, python-support, python-defaults, twisted 2.4.0, and zope for N800. | 16:53 |
| jamey | I will make them available on a repository today. | 16:53 |
| jamey | also packaged python-defaults and lsb | 16:54 |
| neal | isn't cdbs already part of the debian devkit? | 16:54 |
| jamey | wasn't available for n800, or perhaps was too old for the packages I was building | 16:54 |
| jamey | I only built it because apt-get install didn't install it | 16:54 |
| neal | it's provided by scratchbox | 16:55 |
| neal | try apt-get built-dep in the future | 16:55 |
| jamey | ah, then it was too old for my needs | 16:55 |
| neal | and it worked? | 16:55 |
| jamey | dpkg-buildpackage was unhappy, now happy :) | 16:55 |
| jamey | it worked | 16:55 |
| neal | that's interesting because I needed a new version of dpkg | 16:55 |
| neal | and I couldn't get it to use that instead of the scrachbox one | 16:56 |
| neal | or, you just satisfied the dependencythat is a possibility | 16:56 |
| neal | and the build happened to work with the old version. | 16:56 |
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| jamey | could be that it used the old version. I changed control files in several packages to use debhelper 4 instead of 5 and it did not seem to cause problems in building packages for that either. | 16:57 |
| jamey | I would prefer scratchkit-devkit-debian not to be monolithic so I could upgrade components separately | 16:58 |
| jamey | e.g., debhelper and cdbs | 16:58 |
| jamey | in order to get all this to work, I also removed scratchbox/tools/bin/python and edited the scripts in that directory to use /scratchboox/tools/bin/python2.3 instead. (Actually, they worked even using target python, but it was a little slow). | 17:00 |
| derf | For most packages I have to go into debian/compat and change "5" to "4". | 17:01 |
| derf | To get them to build on scratchbox. | 17:01 |
| derf | I haven't yet run across one that _actually_ needed something in 5. | 17:01 |
| zuh | kkito: nope, not that one | 17:04 |
| kkito | zuh, no? | 17:07 |
| kkito | zuh, where can i find the sources? | 17:07 |
| zuh | kkito: I think it is the libgtkstylus from openembedded, so the openembedded site is a good bet (but it's too confusing to quickly see where the sources are... | 17:09 |
| zuh | ) | 17:09 |
| kkito | zuh, ah but if it depends on gtk.... | 17:09 |
| tigert | with Qt this also would be so much better! :) | 17:11 |
| zuh | kkito: Well, yes, as I said it was a Gtk+ module ;) | 17:11 |
| kkito | it can be implemented without using toolkits | 17:11 |
| kkito | that is the good way... | 17:11 |
| kkito | and libstylus is on desgin, there are nothing usable | 17:12 |
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| bill20r3 | can I flash IT2006 on to a N800? | 17:18 |
| kkito | bill20r3, why do you want that? | 17:19 |
| bill20r3 | just because there's more apps for it. | 17:19 |
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| spaetz | bill20r3: I would guess no, but then I haven't tried. | 17:35 |
| spaetz | Pretty sure actually | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | bill20r3: you can't flash IT2006 on a N800 | 17:36 |
| bill20r3 | I'd hate to be the one to find out. | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | what apps are you missing, specifically? | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | the flasher checks the device ID and refuses to flash a wrong OS | 17:36 |
| bill20r3 | nothing specific, I was just going thru the repository and a lot of stuff wouldnt install. | 17:37 |
| zuh | At least some of the ones that won't install only do so due to strict versions in the packaging (ie. they *would* work but the appmanager just refuses to install them...) | 17:39 |
| * zuh has done dpkg --force-depends -i on some mistral packages, but don't try that at home ;) | 17:40 | |
| * mgedmin chose to never add mistral repos to his N800, and to recompile any packages he found missing | 17:41 | |
| zuh | ...and hopefully uploading them somewhere so others can get them too?-) | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:44 |
| bill20r3 | is it ok to install mistral packages, or just bora? | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | some mistral packages may work | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | I tend to stick to bora | 17:46 |
| bill20r3 | gotcha. | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | unless I see reports saying that a mistral version of some specific package worked on the n800 | 17:46 |
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| bill20r3 | how hard is it to set up the toolchain to cross compile stuff? I'd like to get BitchX running. | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | you need a linux system (or vmware, to use the image someone built) | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | ubuntu or debian, preferably | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | then you install scratchbox (there are debs at scratchbox.org) and run the maemo 3.0 installer script | 17:50 |
| bill20r3 | hmm | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | much harder than a typical linux package installation, but not too hard | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | or you could ask someone else to build bitchx for you | 17:51 |
| bill20r3 | doesn't sound impossible. | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | is there a package for os2006? | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | I don't see it on http://downloads.maemo.org | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | there's irssi | 17:54 |
| bill20r3 | does it have some special terminal needs? | 17:54 |
| bill20r3 | I ran it and it complained about somehting, but it was late and I went to bed instead of figuring it out. | 17:54 |
| Tak | I never bothered to install bitchx or irssi since I had ssh... | 17:55 |
| * mgedmin uses x-chat | 17:56 | |
| Tak | I do too, now | 17:56 |
| bill20r3 | does xchat run on the n800? | 17:56 |
| bill20r3 | that'd be good. | 17:56 |
| acydlord | aye it does | 17:56 |
| bill20r3 | excellent. | 17:56 |
| acydlord | add the maemo-hackers repo | 17:56 |
| Tak | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/pool/bora/maemo-xchat_2.8.0-bora1_armel.deb | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | or http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-xchat | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | easier | 17:58 |
| Tak | good point | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | no need to copy and paste repository urls manually | 17:58 |
| * bill20r3 trys installing. | 18:04 | |
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| ajturner | when using VNC server on N800, "Return" hits the dpad button (so changes text input) - how to make it send a return? | 18:10 |
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| dyncorp | ok today i will learn how to port apps to maemo | 18:50 |
| * dyncorp points to thermos full of coffee | 18:50 | |
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| * osfameron has uninstalled Canola... regretfully | 18:52 | |
| osfameron | it was keeping files open (I think for indexing) which meant that I couldn't mount the memory cards when I connected to my lappy | 18:53 |
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| kkito | osfameron, i think that is the canola applet | 19:05 |
| kkito | if you remove the canola applet from you desktop you can umount the memory card | 19:05 |
| osfameron | kkito: the control panel thingy? | 19:05 |
| osfameron | ah! | 19:05 |
| osfameron | I think I tried to add it, and it was broken so I'd already removed it | 19:05 |
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| tko | whew.. finally managed to get some sapwood documentation done. maybe tomorrow I'll make some noise about it | 19:24 |
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| jku | It seems that to monitor changes in internet connectivity I should use libconic (conicconnectionevent.h and friends). So far I've been working with python, but there doesn't seem to be a libconic module? | 19:32 |
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| jku | Are there other approaches to the problem (connectivity events)? If not, is writing a python-wrapper for libconic a big job or should I abandon python? | 19:36 |
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| dyncorp | osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed | 20:33 |
| dyncorp | i see two people have had this issue in irc logs | 20:34 |
| dyncorp | idanok, if I only install vncviewer it doesn't complain about the osso thing | 20:35 |
| dyncorp | same here | 20:35 |
| dyncorp | this allows forced reinstall of a package said to be extant | 20:44 |
| dyncorp | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install osso-bttools | 20:44 |
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| dyncorp | error remains though. i do see this error after any package install /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not foun | 20:45 |
| dyncorp | Something tried to execute /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure, but this program is not available on Maemo. Apparently this eventuality is not fatal. | 20:47 |
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| dyncorp | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install osso-app-killer ... also successful | 20:49 |
| dyncorp | but dist-upgrade still reports osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed | 20:50 |
| dyncorp | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. | 20:50 |
| dyncorp | somehow apt must be told that osso-bttools _is_ presently installed | 20:50 |
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| dyncorp | google finds only two hits for the pkgProblemResolver error | 20:52 |
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| maddler | doh! | 20:52 |
| dyncorp | apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade | 20:53 |
| dyncorp | this yields much interesting output | 20:54 |
| dyncorp | err |grep broken |wc -l | 20:59 |
| dyncorp | 52 | 20:59 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: ! | 21:13 |
| tko | "PHP was designed as an example of how not to name functions." :-) | 21:16 |
| sp3000 | php was designed? | 21:21 |
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| jku | well, not all Designers are Intelligent... | 21:23 |
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| dyncorp | ok there are no held packages either | 21:28 |
| dyncorp | i need to do a complete reinstall. What's the maemo version of choice now (for best end-user app functionality) for a N770? | 21:29 |
| dyncorp | I heard 2007 was out, have old 2006 apps been compiled for it? | 21:30 |
| Tak | 2007 on 770 is still in development | 21:31 |
| Tak | but a lot of 2006 apps run with no modification | 21:32 |
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| dyncorp | hi Tak :) good to see you... i am going to get cracking on TOME now | 21:35 |
| dyncorp | i've got the x86 version modded to be presized to fit the 770 screen, with my tileset | 21:35 |
| Tak | cool | 21:37 |
| dyncorp | well i'll take the plunge and go for 2007 | 21:37 |
| dyncorp | that way it will probably be easier to get going on the n800, right? | 21:38 |
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| * Tak shrugs | 21:38 | |
| dyncorp | heh | 21:38 |
| Tak | like I said, most 2006 apps run on 2007 with no modification | 21:39 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: aue`! | 21:52 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: have you completed homeworks? :D | 21:52 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: of course :) | 21:52 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:54 |
| maddler | b0unc3: :) | 21:57 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: take a look : http://b0unc3.homeunix.net/nokia770/ss/idea-n800-tab.png | 21:59 |
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| maddler | lemme see... | 22:01 |
| maddler | niiiiice... | 22:01 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: yes... but it still crash sometime ... :) | 22:03 |
| derf | Wait, how did you get your clock into 24h time? | 22:03 |
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| sp3000 | via his moon-man locale no doubt | 22:04 |
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| derf | I very much dislike that I can't customize regional settings individually. | 22:05 |
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| derf | I should just figure out where all that is stored and edit it manually. | 22:05 |
| maddler | b0unc3: you still need to study... :D | 22:05 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: I know... | 22:07 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: would you like to try it? | 22:07 |
| b0unc3 | only to see how the 'tabs' working | 22:07 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: yep... need to put my daughter into the bed before... brb | 22:25 |
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| dyncorp | any guesses as to the percent of 770 users running Os2007? | 22:27 |
| Pio | im not yet.. | 22:27 |
| Tak | I would say few | 22:27 |
| Tak | I'm not | 22:28 |
| dyncorp | maybe i'd be better off putting 2.2 on the root, and eventually 2007 on the mmc | 22:28 |
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| s-ndh-c | dyncorp: yeah thats like i have it | 22:37 |
| s-ndh-c | i have itos2006 on the flash and 2007 on the mmc | 22:38 |
| dyncorp | s-ndh-c: so you have os 2006 edition version 3.2006.49-2 (lastest on maemo downloads) | 22:38 |
| dyncorp | Bugfix update #2 | 22:38 |
| s-ndh-c | dyncorp: no didnt upgrade yet | 22:38 |
| dyncorp | ah ok | 22:38 |
| dyncorp | i don't see an initfs with that, is it independent of the kernel? | 22:39 |
| s-ndh-c | but will do later | 22:39 |
| dyncorp | or is that the whole flash drive plus kernel | 22:39 |
| s-ndh-c | dyncorp: what? | 22:39 |
| dyncorp | heh just looking to see if i have to get install anything else | 22:40 |
| dyncorp | have SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:40 |
| dyncorp | but there are a variety of kernel zimages i can download also | 22:41 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah this bin image has all | 22:41 |
| s-ndh-c | you can donwload patched kernels with some additional stuff | 22:42 |
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| dyncorp | thanks s-ndh-c | 22:44 |
| dyncorp | this is much harder than i expected | 22:45 |
| dyncorp | *mustering the courage to wipe my n770 ... | 22:46 |
| s-ndh-c | i just symlinked /home/user to a directory on the mmc | 22:47 |
| s-ndh-c | so i can flash the rootfs without losing any of my documents and stuff | 22:48 |
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| s-ndh-c | if i install the latest 2006 image | 23:25 |
| s-ndh-c | do i have to change the distribution setting in from mistral to gregale for the maemo repos? | 23:25 |
| s-ndh-c | -in | 23:25 |
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| dyncorp | Maemo 2.2 Package Repository | 23:37 |
| dyncorp | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free | 23:37 |
| dyncorp | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free | 23:37 |
| dyncorp | according to : https://stage.maemo.org/svn/website/trunk/documentation/content/xdocs/downloads/download-sdk.xml | 23:38 |
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| philn|home | hi | 23:41 |
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| philn|home | i'm trying to get a simple pygtk app working under scratchbox/xephyr, but it won't start: can't open display :2 | 23:43 |
| philn|home | do i need to start xephyr from scratchbox or from outside of it? | 23:43 |
| dyncorp | question: is 2 the right number? | 23:43 |
| ptman | i started it from outside scratchbox | 23:43 |
| ptman | the right number is whatever you tell xephyr to listen on | 23:44 |
| philn|home | i'm following that doc: http://maemo.org//platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installing-Xephyr | 23:44 |
| philn|home | so yes it starts fine outside of scratchbox, but can't access it from my scratchbox session | 23:45 |
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| philn|home | ha it works now, cool :) | 23:47 |
| philn|home | ok now the fun part can start | 23:48 |
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| rschuste1 | hi all | 23:49 |
| rschuste1 | can anyone tell me where to find current/latest sources for the xserver-kdrive-omap (as used on n770)? | 23:50 |
| rschuste1 | (or are the -omap changes already back in fd.o's version?) | 23:50 |
| dyncorp | tarent erwirkt Ordnungsgeld gegen SCO | 23:51 |
| dyncorp | \o/ | 23:51 |
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| cosmo_ | hm, mediaconverter failed to add subtitles :( | 23:52 |
| cosmo_ | should it work? | 23:52 |
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| rschuste1 | what kind of funny bot(?) is dyncorp | 23:56 |
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