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| maddler | b0unc3: just noticed the "background" for icons on Idea... | 00:00 |
| maddler | b0unc3: btw... yes... you need to reduce applet size... :) | 00:00 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: the applet size or the icon size ? | 01:01 |
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| sbaturzio | let me see..is there a way to sync google-calendar with my N800 gpe-calendar? I mean, from N800 to Gcalendar? | 01:14 |
| neal | opensync? | 01:14 |
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| sbaturzio | neal: really? google import ics only "by hand" o by opensync*? | 01:17 |
| neal | I don't understand. | 01:18 |
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| neal | opensync-plugin-google-calendar, on debian | 01:19 |
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| sbaturzio | AFAIR google calendar import *.ics files only from its import page. If opensync use that page for uploading calendar, why I can't do it with a script from my N800? | 01:20 |
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| neal | sbaturzio : That's wrong. | 01:30 |
| neal | sbaturzio : That have an API. | 01:30 |
| neal | s/That/They/ | 01:30 |
| sbaturzio | neal: so there's no something like "upload mu ics file and see google-calendar update automagically" | 01:31 |
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| neal | I don't know | 01:33 |
| neal | I don't use it. | 01:33 |
| sbaturzio | mmm....wait...maybe there is a workaround | 01:33 |
| disq | hey neal | 01:33 |
| disq | how's the music player project going | 01:34 |
| neal | I've been busy. | 01:34 |
| neal | It basically does what I want it to do. | 01:34 |
| sbaturzio | gcalendar can look for other *.ical files on other website...so if I upload my ical file on a website, google could look at it...must investigate | 01:34 |
| neal | there are a couple of bugs I've found | 01:34 |
| neal | but all I wanted was a sane, free software music player | 01:34 |
| disq | as submissions didn't work last time i checked. you probably have to use libid3 to read the album name off the file | 01:35 |
| neal | so, you might say, I've approached mission accomplished | 01:35 |
| disq | and track duration too | 01:35 |
| neal | disq: That's a bug with maemo's gstreamer | 01:35 |
| disq | it won't tell you the duration? | 01:35 |
| neal | disq: On my desktop computer, this works fine. | 01:35 |
| neal | the stream tags are correctly reported | 01:35 |
| neal | and so is the duration | 01:36 |
| disq | gah. | 01:36 |
| disq | so many music player projects it would be good if we unified them a little | 01:36 |
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| neal | well, there is canola | 01:36 |
| neal | damn, fucking usability nightmare | 01:37 |
| disq | canola is not good because the development is too slow | 01:37 |
| neal | and so complicated | 01:37 |
| neal | and not free softwre | 01:37 |
| neal | rhythmbox has insane dependencies | 01:37 |
| disq | there's kilikali, there's starling, a couple more, and i might start a seperate project myself someday | 01:37 |
| neal | I have not heard of kilikali | 01:37 |
| disq | a new project on the garage | 01:37 |
| disq | the latest svn head didn't work well though | 01:38 |
| neal | well, if you are complaining about unification, why are you starting your own? | 01:38 |
| disq | hehe | 01:38 |
| disq | not sure if i want to | 01:38 |
| neal | well, what do you mean? | 01:38 |
| neal | i.e., what do you want? | 01:39 |
| disq | but i might have to, given the current status of the music player software we have around | 01:39 |
| disq | i might just end up writing a dummy interface and publishing it though, gstreamer programming and its bugs are a whole different subject | 01:40 |
| neal | I think we are trying to have a discussion | 01:41 |
| neal | but I have no idea what you want | 01:41 |
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| disq | i want a road-tastic interface, also with keyboard shortcuts, dbus integration (global dbus events whenever a song starts playing, etc) | 01:42 |
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| neal | I don't know what road-tastic is | 01:42 |
| disq | so the last.fm support would be in a home applet that listens for dbus events, caches the track history in sqlite, and submits them whenever it's ready. also would provide a nice now playing interface | 01:43 |
| neal | keyboard short cuts are easy to add to free software | 01:43 |
| neal | as for dbus support, I don't see the motivation | 01:43 |
| disq | road tastic is something that is easy to use with one hand/standing up/on the road (ped) | 01:43 |
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| neal | ok. | 01:43 |
| neal | well, if you want tohack on starling, you are more than welcome | 01:44 |
| neal | but I'll be happy to review whatever you come up with | 01:44 |
| disq | also not to mention possible hacks like keeping the screen turned off (not sure how to do that without locking keys) but keep the keys alive, key combinations to lock/unlock the keys, etc | 01:44 |
| disq | could you refine the dependencies a bit, is the gpe libs (not to mention gnutls13) required? | 01:45 |
| disq | also, there should be a way to overcome gstreamer's bugs. osso-mediaplayer works ok, so maybe using the osso-mediaserver could provide better results | 01:47 |
| neal | the dependencies are due to libsoup | 01:47 |
| neal | all the dev packages are available | 01:47 |
| neal | so you don't need to compile them yourself | 01:47 |
| disq | ah, silly libsoup. it's only used for last.fm, right? how about libcurl | 01:48 |
| neal | write a patch | 01:49 |
| neal | preferably make it selectable at configure time | 01:49 |
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| disq | what's the url to get the latest starling? the /temp/starling gave me 404 | 01:50 |
| neal | linuxtogo.org/~neal | 01:50 |
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| disq | i tried mpd btw. doesn't work with gstreamer :) | 01:52 |
| disq | a wrapper layer on top of osso-mediaserver should be good | 01:53 |
| disq | since we can't directly patch it, how about unifying the basecode | 01:53 |
| neal | I'm off, later | 01:55 |
| disq | ok ttyl | 01:55 |
| disq | will try the latest starling | 01:55 |
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| [mbm] | hmm .. I should have the suspend script keep track of how long it's suspended | 02:03 |
| [mbm] | useless stat that would only add one more line to the script | 02:04 |
| disq | have it report it to a server :p | 02:09 |
| maddler | damn... no more beer! | 02:09 |
| [mbm] | disq: cool, then we could have a downtime pissing contest :P | 02:10 |
| disq | i need input on the mediaserver wrapper ideas, i'll go to sleep and ask tomorrow | 02:11 |
| [mbm] | must have missed the discussion on why it needs a wrapper | 02:13 |
| disq | instead of people trying to directly use gstreamer, we could get a nice api for all the music player authors out there | 02:14 |
| [mbm] | ah | 02:14 |
| disq | also all the wrapper-using players would have the things i want like a dbus events system :p | 02:14 |
| [mbm] | btw the backlight is rather easily controlled via shell or dbus | 02:14 |
| disq | anyway, night | 02:15 |
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| Unique311 | running out of things to do on this gadget...disection time.... | 02:42 |
| Unique311 | wheres the hardware hacks? | 02:43 |
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| [mbm] | Unique311: I'd love to see usb host mode working on an n800 ;) | 02:45 |
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| Unique311 | i'd love it too..more storage correct.. | 02:46 |
| chibiAcyd | Unique311, my 770 has an external antenna hack | 02:47 |
| [mbm] | actuall I'm not really concerned about storage; I want usb perhiperals | 02:47 |
| Unique311 | ok...chibiacid...got a tutorial? | 02:48 |
| chibiAcyd | sure don't, just solder a pigtail to the antenna connectors and dremmel a hole in the case for the n plug, and viola | 02:49 |
| * [mbm] has yet to see anyone paint a complete picture of usb host mode for the n800 .. there's a half written otg in the usb driver which makes reference to automatic switch, and there's a flasher flag for usb-host mode (presumably from the 770) | 02:50 | |
| [mbm] | chibiAcyd: you disconnected the internal antenna? | 02:50 |
| chibiAcyd | nomis, just branched it | 02:51 |
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| chibiAcyd | Bah coma for autocomplete is a pain | 02:52 |
| [mbm] | hmm doesn't sound right | 02:52 |
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| Unique311 | www.immunitysec.com/products-silica.shtml | 03:12 |
| Unique311 | 3600 dollars | 03:13 |
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| Unique311 | metasploit does the same thing | 03:13 |
| Unique311 | and is free | 03:13 |
| Unique311 | lol | 03:13 |
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| [mbm] | Unique311: and nothing is more fun than a bunch of wannabie hackers running canned metasploits | 03:16 |
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| Unique311 | hacking looks fun...is it? | 03:18 |
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| [mbm] | Unique311: it's all pimped macs running 3d user interfaces with animated sequences for the garbage file, oh and Angelina Jolie .. | 03:27 |
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| Unique311 | sounds good, i want to be down... | 03:31 |
| chibiAcyd | lol | 03:34 |
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| Unique311 | having issues removing zsh | 05:00 |
| Unique311 | error status 127 | 05:01 |
| Unique311 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/zsh.postrm: /var/lib/dpkg/info/zsh.postrm: 10: remove-shell: not found | 05:01 |
| Unique311 | the first error on an apt install | 05:02 |
| Unique311 | 3 more follows | 05:02 |
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| Tofi | hi, i just have a quick question. has anybody used injection successfully on the n800 with the cx3110x patch? | 05:58 |
| [mbm] | didn't know there was an injection patch | 05:59 |
| Tofi | you can get it here https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ | 05:59 |
| [mbm] | interesting. | 06:00 |
| Tofi | I've already compiled it and installed the module but i can't get it to work with aireplay | 06:01 |
| Tofi | anyone knows why it isn't working?? | 06:04 |
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| ts0_ | god, battery life is horrible | 06:12 |
| ts0_ | is kismet fixed yet? | 06:12 |
| * [mbm] working on some battery life issues | 06:13 | |
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| [mbm] | hmm dspctl needs some documentation | 06:25 |
| * [mbm] goes looking around google | 06:25 | |
| [mbm] | cool, found em | 06:29 |
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| ts0_ | good deal | 06:31 |
| ts0_ | its way worse than 770, and the case is so tight that its hard to replace the battery | 06:31 |
| [mbm] | just put a piece of tape on the battery so you can get it out later | 06:31 |
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| [mbm] | hmm why is dsme running dsp_dld with --disable-restart | 07:19 |
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| disq | morning | 07:28 |
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| disq | Tofi: did you run wlan-cal (via chroot /mnt/initfs, details in maemo-developers list) to calibrate it? did you replace the dummy umac.ko with the real one from the device? | 07:29 |
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| disq | Tofi: i posted the relevant urls to c3110x project forums, please read them | 07:36 |
| disq | morning tigert | 07:36 |
| [mbm] | hmm can't get the dsp to suspend properly | 07:36 |
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| Tofi | disq, i did run wlan-cal and the driver works. it's the injecion that doesn't...what do i have to do with the umac? | 07:39 |
| Tofi | ok i'll read them | 07:40 |
| disq | ah, if it works then nevermind. the umac that's included with the .tar.gz is a dummy one, but if the driver is working you probably already replaced it with the real one | 07:40 |
| [mbm] | anyone ever messed with dsp_dld or dspctl? | 07:41 |
| disq | dsp is evil | 07:41 |
| [mbm] | yes, yes it is | 07:41 |
| [mbm] | found the docs and it's still evil | 07:41 |
| disq | just get a beeper and connect it to the serial port :p | 07:41 |
| disq | btw do you have any touchscreen sensitivity loss on the right side? | 07:42 |
| disq | i think mine got worse | 07:42 |
| dragorn | Tofi: I'm working on building the drivers as well so i can add support to lorcon | 07:43 |
| [mbm] | haven't noticed it with mine but I saw complaints on the lists | 07:43 |
| Tofi | the only think i did was compiling the driver, then i copied it to the n800 rmmod, insmod, and chroot. should i do something with the umsc? | 07:43 |
| dragorn | Tofi: assuming inj actually works | 07:43 |
| dragorn | Tofi: the binary-blob drivers would return enotsupp and blow up tragically, so thats a good place to start looking if these don't do rawtx already | 07:44 |
| disq | Tofi: it's in the thread somewhere. i'm just a bystander reading the lists, no involvement with the wlan driver :) | 07:44 |
| dragorn | disq: Got a link to the thread? I came in late. | 07:44 |
| disq | just posted it to the cx3110x garage project forums :) | 07:44 |
| Tofi | disq, ok thanks. | 07:45 |
| [mbm] | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=842&forum_id=15 | 07:45 |
| disq | so many people asking to compile the driver and they just don't check the maemo-developers list, had to do something :) | 07:45 |
| [mbm] | ui goes pretty unresponsive when you nuke the dsp :/ | 07:48 |
| disq | somebody loves blocking calls to access dsp? :) | 07:48 |
| [mbm] | apparently | 07:48 |
| Tofi | has somebody used injection with the n800 | 07:49 |
| * [mbm] wonders if tofi is a closet script kiddie trying to pwn his neighbour's ap | 07:49 | |
| * disq wonders if mbm can be sneaky enough to put a hidden always-allow rule for nokia mac's in openwrt | 07:51 | |
| Tofi | haha, I just think it's a great tool to have. You'd be able to have internet access just abut everywhere | 07:51 |
| disq | i'm off to watch prison break. (couch potatoes unite) | 07:52 |
| [mbm] | I keep forgetting that firewalls and passwords are only to keep non elite people out | 07:53 |
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| disq | mmm.. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 (jpevelek says wontfix) | 07:54 |
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| dragorn | Tofi_: rawinject isn't going to get you internet access anywhere. You'd have better luck porting iodine. | 07:54 |
| [mbm] | dragorn: ah, but you forget that if tofi can't have internet access he doesn't want anyone else to either, hence the rawtx continuous transmit | 07:56 |
| Tofi_ | Well, here in Mexico most people have the same ap that the isp gaves with the default settings 64 wep, so... | 07:56 |
| [mbm] | yeah we have them here; they're called 2wire | 07:57 |
| Tofi_ | right! | 07:57 |
| dragorn | yeah you have fun trying to do even 64bit wep on your handheld. | 07:57 |
| Tofi_ | dragorn: you think It won't work? | 07:58 |
| dragorn | I think it will be slow, and it's a silly use of your time | 07:58 |
| [mbm] | don't they have evdo in mexico? | 07:59 |
| dragorn | very, very slow. | 07:59 |
| Tofi_ | 'cause of the cpu? | 07:59 |
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| mikemorrison | are there any open source programs for the n800 that implement a folder tree like the one in the file manager? | 08:07 |
| disq | if you're looking for an example to load tree sub-items on access, there should be one in the gtk manual/demos somewhere | 08:17 |
| mikemorrison | no. i'm looking for an example on how to get the bloody icons | 08:22 |
| disq | maemopad+ uses some maemo icons, check the code in svn. src/interface.c | 08:23 |
| mikemorrison | looks like it just uses hard-coded names.. i wish there was a better api for this | 08:28 |
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| disq | the files are pngs in /usr/share/somewhere/icons/hicolor/26x26/ | 08:31 |
| mikemorrison | yes i realize that. i was hoping to include a header, and then reference the define as is done in gtk | 08:31 |
| mikemorrison | i would also like to be able to call a function on a uri and have it tell me the icon name i should display for that uri | 08:32 |
| disq | yeah i know it's ugly :) | 08:36 |
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| pwille | D'oh, the build in email client is really bad :( It does not notice changes (read/unread) on messages it has already downloaded. (imap) | 09:15 |
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| disq | morning | 10:38 |
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| |mk8| | Hi to all ... | 10:47 |
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| kkito | i cannot understand why vbk must to be developed on top of gtk... | 12:29 |
| kkito | vkb | 12:29 |
| kkito | i must to really bad hack X11 apps that doesnt depend on gtk.... | 12:30 |
| Uebli | Hello, i am using ubuntu 6.06 LTS after a new installation of my host and after installation an starting the maemo environment i get the error msg.....[sbox-i386: ~] > maemo-launcher: error kernel w/o support for user processes rising the oom value | 12:31 |
| Uebli | maemo-launcher: error kernel w/o support for user processes rising the oom value... the view of the environment in xephyr is not clear. The upper right icons are not there. I get a white background. This is the first time that i see this. Any idea how can i fix that | 12:31 |
| Uebli | sorry correction i mean the upper left icons (the internet globe) | 12:32 |
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| k-way | kkito: I think that the current input method really is a combo of kernel , x-server and such | 12:35 |
| k-way | kkito: there are some wiki pages describing the x protocol that the components use | 12:36 |
| kkito | k-way, you need a gdk window to get the events | 12:36 |
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| s-ndh-c | when will modest be released? | 12:37 |
| kkito | it is hardcoded in gtk | 12:37 |
| s-ndh-c | anyone knows? | 12:37 |
| keesj | there are also many posts on this subject , I think emaces has been ported | 12:37 |
| kkito | a good implementation will be a Xserver input driver that get events from dbus or similar | 12:38 |
| kkito | and then replicate on the Xserver side | 12:38 |
| kkito | it is simple, and all apps can use it | 12:38 |
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| keesj | https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/browse.php?by=lang&lang=2 | 12:39 |
| kkito | keesj, i know about that :) thx | 12:40 |
| keesj | kkito: I also wonder how that would work when the keyboard is changed or attached , | 12:40 |
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| kkito | keesj, xorg can handle more than one keyboard inpput driver | 12:45 |
| kkito | no problem | 12:45 |
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| keesj | kkito: but how is the "x-org" keyboard supposed to know you clicked on a input widget and need an onscreeen keyboard. | 13:10 |
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| kkito | keesj, we can make a keyboard daemon, that get dbus events, for show or unshow the osd keyboard, then patching the gtk, qt, etc.. is simple | 13:12 |
| kkito | and for not patched toolkits or similar, we can bind a button to the device to show the keyboard | 13:13 |
| keesj | kkito: and that would "just" send x keyboard events? | 13:14 |
| kkito | the virtual keyboard can send dbus events to a dbus kbd xorg input driver, then it generate the apropiate events | 13:14 |
| kkito | X events.... | 13:14 |
| keesj | I guess that it would be a good aproach . I would love to see it work for sdl | 13:15 |
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| kkito | and i think that there are good news related to the powervr support :D | 13:15 |
| keesj | of course the thumb keyboard that I use a lot workds differently since is sends whole strings at once | 13:16 |
| keesj | kkito: really? | 13:16 |
| lardman | kkito: What's the good news? :) | 13:16 |
| kkito | look at the bug https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 | 13:16 |
| kkito | it is reported to disqspam@oynasana.com | 13:17 |
| kkito | and if you take a look at the oynasana.com webpage... | 13:17 |
| disq | so.. :) | 13:17 |
| disq | i added myself as cc | 13:17 |
| kkito | ah ok xD | 13:18 |
| kkito | sorry ;P the page it isnt in english and i cannot understand | 13:18 |
| lardman | looks like a game site? Not a dev site | 13:18 |
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| kkito | yes my fault | 13:18 |
| kkito | then no good news xD | 13:19 |
| keesj | disq: yes , very nice for spam. I really love that bugzilla | 13:19 |
| kkito | disq, are you from turkey? | 13:23 |
| disq | yes | 13:24 |
| kkito | i visited turkey the last summer :) | 13:25 |
| kkito | nice place :P | 13:25 |
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| kkito | well i visited Istambul | 13:28 |
| kkito | i am from spain there are more people here from spain? | 13:28 |
| disq | i'll catch a quick nap, ttyl :) | 13:28 |
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| biw | hi, I'm trying to upgrade a 770 with newer packages etc | 13:51 |
| biw | but when I try things I keep getting: 307 Please authenticate yourself here [IP: 84.45.224.15 80] | 13:51 |
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| mgedmin | biw: looks like the wireless net you're using wants you to use a web browser to log in | 14:07 |
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| biw | I have logged in | 14:13 |
| biw | the connection is open now | 14:13 |
| biw | ok, I had and it must have timed out | 14:13 |
| biw | I'd left digg.com/spy in the background to try and keep it open | 14:14 |
| biw | yea that's working now I've logged in again | 14:15 |
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| biw | hi, how do I get the keyboard input to popup? | 14:42 |
| biw | I've got rdesktop up and running, but can't find hwo to type anything in | 14:42 |
| neostrider | biw , scratchbox or device? | 14:42 |
| mgedmin | there's no way, afaik | 14:43 |
| biw | device | 14:43 |
| biw | ahh right ok | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | rdesktop hasn't been hildonized enough yet | 14:43 |
| biw | so I need to find something on the machine I'm rdesktoped into | 14:43 |
| neostrider | biw , "center key"? | 14:43 |
| neostrider | oh...ok | 14:43 |
| neostrider | sorry | 14:43 |
| neostrider | hey folks...any debian packaging guru here? | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | I think someone was working on it... | 14:43 |
| neostrider | i have some serious issues with mine .desktop file | 14:44 |
| mgedmin | I don't think .desktop files are debian-packaging specific | 14:44 |
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| dyncorp | hildonized sounds like a mathematical transformation | 14:45 |
| neostrider | well. so any .desktop file guru? hehehehe | 14:45 |
| neostrider | dyncorp , I must agree with you. hildonized sounds math and maemized sounds like chemistry | 14:46 |
| dyncorp | i don't know what the .desktop file is sorry | 14:47 |
| neostrider | ok | 14:49 |
| neostrider | it is the "shortcut" for your application in the device menu | 14:49 |
| neostrider | just like a "shortcut" on a Gnome desktop | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | canned answer #6: check for trailing whitespace in your .desktop file; maemo doesn't like it | 14:51 |
| neostrider | thanks! | 14:51 |
| neostrider | hey mgedmin, any canned answer to "SDL app doesnt show up in the 'task bar' " issue? | 14:56 |
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| mgedmin | there was a wiki page about SDL apps | 14:56 |
| neostrider | good...but I guess it was not enough | 14:56 |
| neostrider | indeed , im gathering information , to create something more informative | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GameDevelopment | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | it suggests setting SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS before you initialize SDL | 14:57 |
| neostrider | well this wiki page shows something Im going to try | 14:57 |
| neostrider | yes | 14:58 |
| neostrider | exactly this | 14:58 |
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| neostrider | mgedmin, thanks! issue solved! | 15:08 |
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| maddler | hey all... | 15:16 |
| neostrider | hey maddler! | 15:16 |
| maddler | hi, neostrider | 15:16 |
| neostrider | whats news!? | 15:16 |
| florian | hi maddler | 15:19 |
| maddler | nothing special... working as always... | 15:20 |
| maddler | heya florian! :) | 15:20 |
| neostrider | any cool maemo game coming out ,guys? | 15:22 |
| neostrider | brb | 15:28 |
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| neostrider | hey folks | 15:59 |
| neostrider | quick question | 15:59 |
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| neostrider | what key is home in the PC keyboard ? | 16:00 |
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| neostrider | anybody home? | 16:00 |
| inz | neostrider, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/hildon-libs/hildon-1/src/hildon-defines.h | 16:00 |
| neostrider | thanks! | 16:01 |
| neostrider | something is wrong | 16:01 |
| neostrider | F5 is the key | 16:01 |
| neostrider | but doesnt work | 16:01 |
| inz | I think it's handeld by mce, which you don't have in your sb-env | 16:02 |
| inz | -e+e | 16:02 |
| neostrider | how do I set it? | 16:05 |
| neostrider | bye | 16:14 |
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| Unique311 | back like crack | 16:26 |
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| sampeson | hi | 16:42 |
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| sampeson | related to testability of Maemo (and 770/880) is there any plans of creating firmwares so that all SW is build with debug symbols? | 16:44 |
| sampeson | related to this also: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues | 16:45 |
| sampeson | I can easily produce core dumps so it would be useful to get the real fault place also to be able to produce better bug reports | 16:46 |
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| inz | sampeson, there are -dbg packages for many components in the repository | 16:47 |
| sampeson | in which repository? | 16:47 |
| inz | repository.maemo.org | 16:47 |
| sampeson | can I get e.g. browser with debug flags ,-P | 16:47 |
| inz | That you cannot.. =( | 16:48 |
| inz | But glib, gtk | 16:48 |
| inz | But it seems they're there only for bora =( | 16:48 |
| sampeson | ok, I have only 770 in my hand | 16:50 |
| sampeson | but is there some reason why that kind of firmwares cannot be created? | 16:50 |
| sampeson | does it make possible to reverse engineer the drivers and closed source stuff or why there isn't? | 16:51 |
| inz | Most likely because they would be HUGE | 16:51 |
| sampeson | aah, yes, that explains | 16:51 |
| sampeson | I have 66 core dumps from my 770 that are pointing to some program | 16:52 |
| dragorn | generally speaking you keep a symbol file for the binaries on your host system and put the stripped binary on the embedded device | 16:52 |
| sampeson | need to make statistics | 16:52 |
| dragorn | and then coalesce the symbols during debugging, it's pretty trivial to load the core w/ the fully symboled file | 16:52 |
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| dragorn | i can see why they wouldn't provide symboled versions of the closed-source stuff however | 16:53 |
| dragorn | wouldn't do you any good if they did, you can't fix it | 16:53 |
| sampeson | yes, but can provide core dumps that would help to fix the problem | 16:54 |
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| dragorn | right - which you can do w/out the symbols | 16:56 |
| sampeson | so I can e.g. add all my 10 core dumbs to bug report against browser and it would be useful? | 16:57 |
| inz | it's possible =) | 16:58 |
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| sampeson | ok, need to prepare bug report then... | 17:01 |
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| s-ndh-c | is there any PIM thing that can be synced with exchange/outlook? | 17:05 |
| s-ndh-c | or atleast with evolution on my desktop | 17:05 |
| s-ndh-c | ? | 17:05 |
| cosmo_ | gpe pim | 17:17 |
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| cosmo_ | can be synced to evolution using opensync | 17:18 |
| Veggen | cosmo: last I looked, it was quite a manual job to set it up. | 17:18 |
| cosmo_ | yep, i've never done it.. lots of manual hacking | 17:18 |
| Veggen | (I should test it soon myself. I'd also like to sync with my cell phone) | 17:18 |
| cosmo_ | i'm using gpe to read my webcal, but it is read only, not sync | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | GPE PIM can be downloaded from Outlook via SyncML (via ScheduleWorld in my case) | 17:19 |
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| sampeson | doh, I have 20 pcs of core dumps for browser | 17:41 |
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| sampeson | here are the statistics | 17:52 |
| sampeson | Crashed programAmountPercentage | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/browser2030,3 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/mahjong_startup710,61 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs812,12 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/osso_rss_feed_reader913,64 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /usr/sbin/wlancond69,09 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/osso-xterm46,06 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/ossofilemanager 23,03 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | canola11,52 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | dsme -d -l syslog -v 4 -p /usr/lib/dsme/libstartup.so11,52 | 17:52 |
| sampeson | /sbin/mce11,52 | 17:53 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/dbus-daemon –session11,52 | 17:53 |
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| sampeson | /usr/bin/ias11,52 | 17:53 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop11,52 | 17:53 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/maemoblocks /tmp/.gamewrapper/sockets/smaemoblocksv0.1 1 /tmp/.gamewra11,52 | 17:53 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/osso_alarm11,52 | 17:53 |
| sampeson | /usr/bin/osso_hss11,52 | 17:53 |
| sampeson | /usr/sbin/icd11,52 | 17:53 |
| sampeson | so one third of the core dumps comes from browser | 17:53 |
| sampeson | is there by the way some way to check which of those are critical progs that create system restart? | 17:54 |
| sampeson | or is it so that they don't create any watchdog resets | 17:55 |
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| Unique311 | any one use the command line to nstall apps | 17:57 |
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| Unique311 | if so.. can ya send e the commands you us for retrieving maemohackers and oakcourt gpgkeys | 17:59 |
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| Unique311 | having errors from those 2 about the keys | 18:01 |
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| sp3000 | sampeson: /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets | 18:07 |
| bipolar | kkito: how goes the qt4 work? | 18:14 |
| kkito | bipolar, i am working on the virtual keyboard, but it is a shit... because it is developed on top of gtk.... | 18:16 |
| bipolar | kkito: how does it send keystrokes? | 18:16 |
| kkito | bipolar, using the gdk/gtk window/event management | 18:17 |
| kkito | it is hard and ugly develop a hack fot qt that support it.... | 18:17 |
| bipolar | kkito: jeez | 18:17 |
| bipolar | why didn't they use X like xvkbd? there must have been a reason.... | 18:17 |
| sp3000 | sampeson: (also, pastebin) :) | 18:18 |
| kkito | bipolar, i dont know but nokia people must to develop a virtual keyboard that can be integrated easy and without gtk dependencies to any X app | 18:19 |
| bipolar | kkito: how does a bluetooth keyboard work then... X must have the abiltiy to use the standard input devices.... | 18:20 |
| kkito | bipolar, i havent a bluetooth keyboard :( | 18:20 |
| kkito | anyways qt runs really good on n800 | 18:21 |
| kkito | better than gtk+ | 18:21 |
| bipolar | kkito: you can use x2x if you need to do input testing. | 18:21 |
| bipolar | kkito: did you figure out what causes some apps to not load? | 18:22 |
| kkito | bipolar, :) i didnt know of that soft. | 18:22 |
| bipolar | kkito: hehe.. it's really, really cool. | 18:22 |
| kkito | bipolar, qt apps run ok, it is some kde4 apps that didnt run, but perhaps is a kde4 fault because it is in alpha state | 18:22 |
| kkito | but it is awesome how well kde4 apps run on the n800... :) | 18:24 |
| bipolar | kkito: what does work? | 18:24 |
| kkito | http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0831cj4.jpg | 18:25 |
| bipolar | kkito: that... is.... awesome | 18:25 |
| kkito | :) | 18:26 |
| bipolar | kkito: is the standard maemo stuff still running in the background? | 18:27 |
| kkito | bipolar, not at all | 18:27 |
| bipolar | kkito: ahh... | 18:27 |
| bipolar | kkito: maybe a port of xvkbd is in order then? :) | 18:27 |
| kkito | bipolar, yes i am doing it now :) | 18:28 |
| bipolar | hehe | 18:28 |
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| keesj | kkito: what kind of crazy version is that? | 18:38 |
| kkito | keesj, the kde version? | 18:39 |
| keesj | yes | 18:39 |
| kkito | kde4 alpha 3 | 18:39 |
| kkito | 3.80.3 | 18:39 |
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| Superbia | bah.. I have needed to reflash my n800 twice now for no apperant reason... :S | 18:47 |
| Superbia | anyone else having problem with the N800 acting "funky"? | 18:48 |
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| maddler | [mbm]: alive? | 18:53 |
| maddler | Superbia: why reflashed? | 18:53 |
| maddler | I mean... failed to boot or something? | 18:54 |
| Superbia | maddler; it went into reboot loop... first time it's been run till battery dried out, loaded it and reboot loop... second time... just flashed... had it turned off over night to reinstall apps today and bang... reboot loop again | 18:56 |
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| maddler | try to understand if the loop occurs after installing a specific app... | 18:58 |
| maddler | install one by one... | 18:58 |
| maddler | and try to reboot after each install... | 18:58 |
| Superbia | I thought see first... but as the first time it started like that it hadn't gotten anything installed for several days and been rebooted several times... second time I had just flashed it, checked that it booted, turned it off then when I turned it on the next morning reboot loop | 18:59 |
| maddler | boring stuff... but it will save you from the next reflash... ;) | 18:59 |
| maddler | Superbia: solar flares... :) | 19:00 |
| Superbia | yeah... when I get it working I will make my own flash to have ready with apps and alls :P | 19:00 |
| Superbia | maddler; haha to much BOFH ^^ | 19:00 |
| maddler | Superbia: yep... I was also thinking about a custom rootfs... | 19:01 |
| maddler | BOFH rules! | 19:01 |
| Superbia | ohh yeah :D | 19:01 |
| [mbm] | maddler: yo | 19:01 |
| Superbia | yeah... custom rootfs == ghost for tablet :P | 19:01 |
| maddler | [mbm]: left suspend | 19:02 |
| maddler | [mbm]: left suspend.sh running tonight... | 19:02 |
| maddler | and... BOOM! :D | 19:02 |
| [mbm] | ? | 19:02 |
| maddler | this morning the battery was depleted... | 19:02 |
| maddler | and needed to remove it in order to be able to reboot :) | 19:02 |
| [mbm] | weird; mine's been in suspend for the last 9 hours | 19:02 |
| [mbm] | battery looks fine | 19:03 |
| maddler | eh... | 19:03 |
| maddler | maybe not being in RD mode... | 19:03 |
| [mbm] | only sign of anything odd is that the dsp is hung | 19:03 |
| [mbm] | haven't figured out the magic dspctl command to reset the dsp | 19:04 |
| maddler | hehe | 19:05 |
| [mbm] | hm the battery meter is pretty useless | 19:06 |
| [mbm] | would like to know actual drain, percentage .. etc | 19:06 |
| maddler | yep... that would help... | 19:07 |
| [mbm] | right now I only know that the battery meter shows the same thing it did 9 hours ago | 19:07 |
| NickDe | [mbm]: that can't be that hard to implement and hildonize | 19:07 |
| [mbm] | which means the suspend script must be doing something | 19:07 |
| NickDe | [mbm]: Mine has been in suspend with the script almost since you gave it to me.. woke up fine | 19:07 |
| NickDe | and batt looks ok | 19:07 |
| maddler | I'll try again tonight with RD mode on... | 19:08 |
| NickDe | I would like a better batt app | 19:08 |
| [mbm] | maddler: as I said before; I run rd mode with lifeguard and omap watchdog turned off | 19:08 |
| [mbm] | could probably manage with the omap on, but afaik the lifeguard would reboot due to loadavg being too high aver a suspend | 19:09 |
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| maddler | [mbm]: yep... I simply wasn't too lazy to enable RD before goint to bed... :) | 19:16 |
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| kender | hi | 19:16 |
| maddler | heya | 19:17 |
| kender | nice to see you maddler | 19:18 |
| maddler | :) | 19:25 |
| maddler | TTL here! | 19:25 |
| maddler | later, folks! | 19:25 |
| kender | CU | 19:25 |
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| bergie | is there pysqlite for bora? | 20:49 |
| bergie | there was for maemo 2... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/pysqlite2/ | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | hm | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | there's python 2.5 for bora | 20:51 |
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| mgedmin | python 2.5 has a sqlite module in the standard library | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | yup, import sqlite3 works | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | bergie: ^ | 20:52 |
| bergie | ah, great | 20:53 |
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| neal | how are the POIs for memo mapper supposed to work? | 20:53 |
| bergie | neal: there's some info here... http://eko.one.pl/index.php?page=Nokia770_software | 20:56 |
| bergie | I'm just looking at autopopulating some wikipedia data there | 20:56 |
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| bergie | at least this works ;-) | 20:58 |
| bergie | import sqlite3 | 20:58 |
| bergie | con = sqlite3.connect("/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/poi.db") | 20:58 |
| bergie | cur = con.cursor() | 20:58 |
| bergie | cur.execute("select * from poi order by lat, lon") | 20:58 |
| bergie | print cur.fetchall() | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | neal: you hold the stylus pressed for a while on a location, and then you can add/edit POIs from the popup menu | 21:00 |
| neal | ah, cool | 21:01 |
| neal | thanks. | 21:01 |
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| bill20r3 | anyone with a N800 have a few minutes for some pre-purchase questions? | 21:06 |
| bill20r3 | how is the battery life in the real world? | 21:06 |
| tomboh | the POI stuff is neat - I've imported data from openguides.org RDF without too much trouble | 21:06 |
| tomboh | just need to get rid of the purple squares now :) | 21:06 |
| kender | bill20r3, it depends of the usage (wifi) | 21:07 |
| thomasvs | tomboh: how do you import it ? | 21:07 |
| kender | bill20r3, using wifi all the time, I calculate arround 5 hours | 21:07 |
| thomasvs | and on a related note, why does it only show purple dots and not some text or something ? | 21:07 |
| bill20r3 | does it depend on the wifi being on and associated to an AP, or to how much actual traffic you're passing? | 21:07 |
| bill20r3 | kender, 5 hours huh? that's better than I'd have guessed. | 21:08 |
| kender | ;-) | 21:08 |
| bill20r3 | have you been happy with your n800 so far? | 21:08 |
| tomboh | thomasvs: some messy XML SAX parsing in Perl and DBD::SQLite | 21:08 |
| kender | yeah, I'm very happy | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | I charge my n800 once or twice a day | 21:08 |
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| bill20r3 | I mostly just want it for reading boingboing on my sofa, and irc'ing. | 21:09 |
| bill20r3 | is there a good irc client? | 21:09 |
| kender | there is xchat | 21:09 |
| kender | but is a little bit deprecated | 21:09 |
| kender | we have ircii also | 21:09 |
| bill20r3 | I had a zaurus, anyone know how it compares to that? | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | what does 'deprecated' mean in this context? | 21:09 |
| bill20r3 | "unmaintained" I'd guess. | 21:09 |
| kender | yes | 21:09 |
| bill20r3 | bitchx in a console is fine for me. | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | xchat works well enough for me | 21:10 |
| bill20r3 | the zaurus looked great in demos, but was pretty clunky to actually use. | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | the quirks are that some gui dialogs do not fit in the screen | 21:10 |
| kender | it haaven't got fullscreen mode | 21:10 |
| neal | bill20r3: You want to spend 400EUR to read boingboing from your sofa? | 21:10 |
| bill20r3 | it's only $400US for me. :-) | 21:11 |
| bill20r3 | a little better. | 21:11 |
| [mbm] | damn keyboard support | 21:11 |
| neal | crazy | 21:11 |
| [mbm] | I did an x2x and connected to my n800 | 21:11 |
| neal | I have a 770 and I find the web browsing experience horrible | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | mbm: woohoo | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | neal: n800 is much better | 21:12 |
| [mbm] | works fine except the enter key | 21:12 |
| neal | opera has horrible navigation features | 21:12 |
| Tak | actually skyhusker's xchat is very nice | 21:12 |
| bill20r3 | I dont suppose you can change the battery while it's suspended? | 21:12 |
| neal | and the screen is too small | 21:12 |
| [mbm] | which seems to be mapped to 'bring up the fullscreen keyboard' | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | it graduated from "horrible" to "usable" | 21:12 |
| [mbm] | bill20r3: nope. | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | [mbm]: the hildon input method does that | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | you can switch to xim and use the keyboard normally | 21:12 |
| [mbm] | bill20r3: as shipped, the n800 really has no concept of suspend | 21:12 |
| [mbm] | mgedmin: details? | 21:13 |
| neal | mgedmin: I doubt the n800 fixes these problems | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | the wiki had instructions for setting up keyboard shortcuts to switch between xim and hildon-input-method | 21:13 |
| bill20r3 | is the handwriting recognition good enough to actually use? (that is, as least as good as a Pilot) | 21:13 |
| Tak | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/pool/gregale/maemo-xchat_2.8.0-gregale1_armel.deb | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | or you can try shift+f10 and choose the input method there | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | the wiki page I mentioned: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | bill20r3: hw recognition is not good enough, imho | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | I liked graffiti | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | I find the virtual kb easier to use than the hw misrecognition | 21:14 |
| Tak | ditto | 21:14 |
| bill20r3 | heh | 21:14 |
| [mbm] | the handwriting sucks, although I suppose you can manually retrain each character | 21:14 |
| Tak | I *love* the fullscreen thumbboard | 21:14 |
| bill20r3 | can you use a usb keyboard, or only bluetooth? | 21:15 |
| [mbm] | I did find one use for the handwriting mode | 21:15 |
| [mbm] | which is that you can define arbitrary scribbles to be 80+ character commands | 21:15 |
| [mbm] | so I have a few scribbles which ssh into my machines and type passwords | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | so far nobody succeeded using any USB device with the 770 | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | so far nobody succeeded using any USB device with the N800 | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | mbm: I had a spiral scribble mapped to 'source ~/.profile' :) | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | now I have a osso-xterm sidebar button mapped to that | 21:16 |
| bill20r3 | how big is the N800 charger? | 21:17 |
| disq | by sidebar buttons are pgup pgdn home end tab esc enter(yes, because popping the vkb in mc is ugly) and ctrl | 21:17 |
| disq | s/by/my | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | mm, enter | 21:18 |
| disq | also skyhusker's xchat is quite nice indeed | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | I have pgup/pgdn/home/end there, but never use them | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | I also have ctrl-d, useful for mutt :) | 21:18 |
| [mbm] | I have the sidebar set to pgup/pgdn ctrl-a ctrl-c ctrl-d | 21:18 |
| Tak | disq: only thing missing IMO is fullscreen | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | disq: is there more than one xchat port for maemo? | 21:18 |
| disq | i had a osso-xterm patch that enabled hwkey shortcuts to act as home/end/pgup/pgdn (you would first hit esc then leftarrow, it would translate as home) but it's not necessary with the new stuff now | 21:19 |
| Tak | yeah, there's one in extras and another | 21:19 |
| disq | Tak: it has fullscreen | 21:19 |
| disq | mine has it | 21:19 |
| Tak | n800? | 21:19 |
| [mbm] | odd; the enter on the keypad is properly mapped. | 21:19 |
| disq | yeah. the bora build | 21:19 |
| Tak | yeah, doesn't work for me on the 770 | 21:20 |
| Tak | not a huge deal though | 21:20 |
| disq | [mbm]: valid return sequence (that won't pop up the vkb) is KP_Enter | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | I noticed one nice effect: if somebody mentions your name when xchat is minimised, its icon in the task navigator pulses slowly | 21:20 |
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| mgedmin | hm, nobody added xchat to downloads.maemo.org | 21:21 |
| disq | yeah it does :) though i only use xchat when i'm quite bored in a bus trip | 21:21 |
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| disq | to check out what's been going on here (got miau the irc bouncer set up) | 21:21 |
| disq | i could also use the maemo irc logs archive :) | 21:22 |
| Tak | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-xchat | 21:22 |
| [mbm] | yay; xim works | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | what sillyness, search for "xchat" doesn't find it | 21:22 |
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| mgedmin | hm, "x-chat" works | 21:23 |
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| disq | new info about the locking mechanism: mce disables keyboard interrupts (on the n800 only) and blanks display, meanwhile osso-systemui-tklock eats keypresses | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | is the power button a regular key, or is it handled differently somehow? | 21:24 |
| jobi | it's handled differently | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | mce must notice power button presses even when keyboard interrupts are disabled, I suppose | 21:24 |
| disq | but it's also a regular key. XK_Execute. | 21:25 |
| jobi | I think it gets them from the kernel, bypasses X | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | disabled kb interrupts might explain that bug I saw when it was impossible to unlock my n800 | 21:25 |
| * mgedmin apparently has the xchat without fullscreen support | 21:25 | |
| disq | maybe gtk windows block it but x windows receive it | 21:25 |
| Tak | 2.6.something is the extras one; 2.8.0 is the skyhusker one | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | yes, skyhusker is mentioned in the about dialog, and it is 2.8.0 | 21:26 |
| disq | in fact, the latest rdesktop listens for keypresses and on XK_Execute it minimizes the actual x window | 21:26 |
| * mgedmin opens app manager and checks for upgrades | 21:26 | |
| mgedmin | in os2006 the app manager offered me to update package lists when I pressed the "check for updates" button; in os2007 it doesn't | 21:27 |
| [mbm] | there's a reload button on the toolbar | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | I don't see one | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | there's "update", info and search | 21:27 |
| [mbm] | rightmost button; two arrows in a circle | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | not here | 21:28 |
| * [mbm] switches out of redpill and looks | 21:28 | |
| disq | only redpill has the refresh button in the mainscreen | 21:29 |
| disq | not sure about the toolbar | 21:29 |
| [mbm] | ah; redpill only | 21:29 |
| [mbm] | just checked | 21:29 |
| Veggen | I prefer running in redpill, but I'm rather careful about what I install/upgrade. | 21:30 |
| [mbm] | ditto; afaik the busybox will still brick the device | 21:30 |
| [mbm] | which means I can't use magic:sys | 21:30 |
| [mbm] | and app manager ignores a dpkg hold or force-version | 21:31 |
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| [mbm] | other major gripes with app manager - you can't queue up multiple packages; you install them individually and each time it scrolls back to the top of the list | 21:32 |
| Veggen | mmm, major one, yes. | 21:32 |
| [mbm] | I'd also like 'these are the new packages in the repo' screen | 21:32 |
| [mbm] | saw someone ported synaptic; tempted to use that | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | ooh, that one, very annoying | 21:33 |
| bill20r3 | am I going to want a SD card with a n800? | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | bill20r3: depends | 21:33 |
| Veggen | bill: definitely. | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | it comes with a 128 mb one | 21:33 |
| Veggen | well, depends, yes. | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | if you have any mp3 files/ebooks/videos, you'll definitely want a bigger one | 21:34 |
| bill20r3 | how big of an SD will it support? | 21:34 |
| * [mbm] uses two 4G sd cards | 21:34 | |
| bill20r3 | nice. | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | I ran out of space on my 1 gig rs-mmc on the 770, so I bought a 4 gig SD card | 21:34 |
| derf | It claims to only support 2GB cards. | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | note: officially the n800 supports sd cards up to 2 gb | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | some 4 gb sd cards (those that are not sdhc) also work | 21:34 |
| [mbm] | if you go higher than 2G (or certain 4G cards) then you need to update the kernel to SDHC | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | there's a patched kernel that adds support for sdhc cards | 21:34 |
| derf | buy.com had a couple of sales last month for 2GB cards for $0 after rebates. | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | I expect nokia will include that patch in the next os2007 revision | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | (this is what happened with the 770 and 2 gb rs-mmc card support) | 21:35 |
| kender | nice | 21:35 |
| [mbm] | got my 4G cards off amazon; transcend 4G.. ~ $50 or | 21:35 |
| [mbm] | so | 21:35 |
| bill20r3 | what's the main app repository site? | 21:35 |
| [mbm] | works without the SDHC kernel | 21:35 |
| derf | They also had some ridiculous "Use Google Checkout for the first time and get $10 off" deal. | 21:36 |
| derf | So I actually got paid $10 to buy the card. | 21:36 |
| derf | And will never, ever use Google Checkout again. | 21:36 |
| kender | bill20r3, maemo repository extra | 21:36 |
| kender | and maemo repository itself | 21:36 |
| Tak | aww, no 16g sdhc yet | 21:37 |
| bill20r3 | err, I meant "where can I go look at what apps are available" | 21:37 |
| [mbm] | hmm .. anyone know the api for getting the battery status? | 21:37 |
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| bill20r3 | out. | 21:39 |
| kender | oh | 21:39 |
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| [mbm] | bill20r3: I'll print you a list | 21:39 |
| kender | http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 21:39 |
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| kender | there are more, but most of them are here | 21:40 |
| [mbm] | http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/list.txt | 21:41 |
| [mbm] | that's with the various repos I have in mine | 21:41 |
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| QWERT2007 | VIVA ARABIC | 21:49 |
| [mbm] | heh, cute /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi1.0/disable_{kp,tp} | 21:50 |
| Unique311 | mbm the difference between openwrt and dd-wrt | 21:51 |
| Unique311 | ? | 21:51 |
| [mbm] | this is hardly the place, but since you asked - dd-wrt is an end user "click the webpage button" sort of thing, and openwrt is a "let's make it into a linux distribution" | 21:52 |
| [mbm] | hmm.. n800 has a temperature sensor? | 21:53 |
| [mbm] | cool. | 21:53 |
| Unique311 | linux distro on a router r regular desktop | 21:53 |
| [mbm] | it's a mini debian for your router | 21:54 |
| Unique311 | k | 21:54 |
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| kender | [mbm], you have said, temperature sensor?! | 22:03 |
| [mbm] | kender: yep, although I'm not sure what it's attached to | 22:04 |
| kender | :o | 22:04 |
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| mgedmin | hyperspace, probably | 22:05 |
| [mbm] | cat /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0048/temp1_input | 22:05 |
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| disq | it detected temp changes fine here, probably one of the chips have it internally (but which one) | 22:07 |
| [mbm] | not even sure what the units are | 22:07 |
| [mbm] | hmm .. /sys/module/omapfb/parameters/accel = 0 ? | 22:09 |
| * [mbm] turns accel on. | 22:09 | |
| disq | since temp1_crit_hyst is 75000 i'm assuming that's 75 degrees celcius | 22:10 |
| [mbm] | seems a bit high | 22:10 |
| disq | and temp1_crit is 80000. 75/80 celc are common temp alert values | 22:10 |
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| disq | ok let's put it in the freezer and see | 22:10 |
| mgedmin | yay for science! | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | fwiw temp1_input is 37500 here | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | the n800 is chargin, and does not feel warm to touch | 22:11 |
| [mbm] | 27500 in a nice ac'd office | 22:11 |
| disq | it's at 23750 and won't come down | 22:11 |
| disq | erm, 23500 now | 22:12 |
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| disq | yeah it detects changes as .25 points at a time (250 units) | 22:12 |
| [mbm] | hmm the omapfb/accel didn't magically give me any more fps in mplayer | 22:14 |
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| maddler | 24500 here :) | 22:16 |
| maddler | in my room... | 22:16 |
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| derf | [mbm]: AFAIK, battery status is sent via d-bus. | 22:18 |
| ajturner | [mbm] accel?! | 22:18 |
| [mbm] | derf: this is on the i2c bus; named 'tmp105' | 22:19 |
| * [mbm] pokes around the sources | 22:19 | |
| [mbm] | ah, it's one of these - http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tmp105.html | 22:20 |
| [mbm] | should dig up that picture someone took of the board and see if there's a tmp105 on one of the chips | 22:23 |
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| bergie | hey, I've just written a script that populates Maemo Mapper POIs from nearby wikipedia pages | 22:28 |
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| dragorn | huh thats fun, my 800 was sitting there charging w/ an xterm open and decided it needed to reboot | 22:29 |
| [mbm] | looking at the 1200dpi scan of the board; don't see a tmp105 .. might be included in one of the other chips | 22:30 |
| [mbm] | dragorn: mine did that until I disabled the watchdogs | 22:30 |
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| Unique311 | mbm i do care.. using d-wrt on my router.... | 22:35 |
| Unique311 | i killed that router so many times..trying different firmware... | 22:35 |
| Unique311 | kinda happy with dd-wrt | 22:36 |
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| bergie | here's an example of a positioned wikipedia page: http://www.nehmer.net/~bergie/maemomapper-wikipedia-poi-detail.png | 22:59 |
| bergie | bunch of them around... http://www.nehmer.net/~bergie/maemomapper-wikipedia-poi1.png | 23:00 |
| derf | Whoa, that's awesome. | 23:00 |
| dragorn | neat trick | 23:01 |
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| disq | eko's (the guy in eko.pl) patch included icons for poi categories, maybe maemo mapper already supports the icons but it's undocumented? | 23:04 |
| disq | though it could also be in the help file | 23:04 |
| disq | bergie: neat :) | 23:04 |
| bergie | disq: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=37905&postcount=28 | 23:10 |
| disq | bergie: the package is actually named "geoclue", all lowercase. you might want to mention that. though nevermind, most people will just use the appmanager | 23:11 |
| disq | mmm. "The name org.foinse_project.geoclue.position.hostip was not provided by any .service files"? is there a seperate python bindings package? | 23:13 |
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| bergie | disq: it *should* be coming from geoclue | 23:14 |
| bergie | wikipedia2poi just uses DBUS to talk with it | 23:14 |
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| disq | yeah | 23:15 |
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| disq | it's a geoclue problem i think | 23:18 |
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| bergie | disq: it worked for tigert at least | 23:19 |
| bergie | get the latest geoclue package | 23:19 |
| disq | Version: 0.2svn20070301-0mh1 | 23:19 |
| disq | gotta ask inz | 23:19 |
| bergie | ah, wait... you also need the position provider package :-) | 23:20 |
| disq | ahh had to install geoclue-server-position-hostip | 23:20 |
| bergie | yep | 23:20 |
| disq | installing now | 23:20 |
| disq | yeah works. though i need something to fake my position :) | 23:21 |
| disq | since my gps is still in the us waiting for delivery | 23:21 |
| bergie | hostip uses IP-based positioning | 23:21 |
| bergie | so it works if you're connected with a public IP | 23:22 |
| disq | -999.99, -999.99 :) | 23:22 |
| bergie | I got that from behind a NAT too | 23:22 |
| bergie | from my office network it worked, though | 23:23 |
| disq | won't get any better than this since i can't connect my adsl line to the n800 | 23:23 |
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| bergie | as soon as the dbus-python and python2.5 incompatibility is fixed for bora we can start using Plazes as the position source here | 23:23 |
| disq | i'll set my position in the script and to at least see what it comes up with | 23:23 |
| disq | s/and// | 23:23 |
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| tigert | yea it works great for me | 23:27 |
| tigert | hostip will work | 23:27 |
| tigert | pretty neat | 23:28 |
| disq | you should get the poi db location from gconf :) | 23:29 |
| disq | mine is in /mmc2/appdata/mapper/poi | 23:29 |
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| bergie | disq: yeah, that is a TODO | 23:31 |
| disq | :) | 23:31 |
| bergie | I haven't had time to learn GConf yet ;-) | 23:31 |
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| s-ndh-c | :) | 23:34 |
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| dragorn | so, say I nuked a module in my initfs, any way to flash just the initfs over usb, or am I going to have to nuke the entire device | 23:59 |
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