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| BrianRice | canola is pretty impressive | 00:26 |
| inode0 | I was just playing with canola. I tried ushare on my slug and the mediastreamer didn't see it but canola did right away. | 00:28 |
| derf | [mbm]: Thanks... it says 4. | 00:29 |
| derf | 4 would've been enough... one of them must've gotten hosed or something. | 00:30 |
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| [mbm] | odd. my resolv.conf isn't updating | 00:36 |
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| maddler | mbm on sbox? | 00:43 |
| [mbm] | on the n800, but I think I know what I did to it | 00:43 |
| maddler | hehe... | 00:43 |
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| [mbm] | forgot that thigns were supposed to be routed via dnsmasq | 00:44 |
| maddler | that's a good starting point... :) | 00:44 |
| asys3 | hi, anyone her just tried dual boot from http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card ? I'd like to know if booting is possible from SD cards, too... | 00:46 |
| [mbm] | mmc means sd | 00:46 |
| asys3 | i only ask because sd=encrypted, mmc=not encrypted... | 00:46 |
| maddler | ? | 00:47 |
| maddler | where from? | 00:47 |
| asys3 | on sharp zaurus there where problems because the sd access source was closed - for mmc there was no problem. | 00:48 |
| maddler | asys3: really dunno... | 00:48 |
| [mbm] | think you're confused | 00:49 |
| maddler | btw on maemo SD and MMC are working in the same way... afaik... | 00:49 |
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| maddler | I mean there is no practical difference among them... | 00:49 |
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| gabor_ | good evening | 00:49 |
| asys3 | so the access to any sd/mmc or whatever access is coded in the controller and so it is accessible when booting from sd - that could be a reason. | 00:50 |
| asys3 | that can be the difference to the older zaurus design... | 00:50 |
| gabor_ | I want to develop for N800 | 00:51 |
| gabor_ | I have installed Scratchbox Apophis r4 (1.0.7) | 00:51 |
| [mbm] | you can access a card via serial or dma.. if I remember right the dma protocol was proprietary | 00:51 |
| gabor_ | next step is: $ bash maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh | 00:51 |
| asys3 | maddler/mbm: | 00:52 |
| gabor_ | but it complains that: E: The minimum required scratchbox-core version is 1.0.7. | 00:52 |
| gabor_ | ???? | 00:52 |
| asys3 | mbm: [sorry]: so when booting sd card access layer is available already - ok. so i can use my sd card for dual boot! that's good news. | 00:53 |
| [mbm] | that's one of the thigns on my todo list to try after I get this suspend mode stuff working | 00:53 |
| maddler | mbm... drop me a line if you need betatesting :) | 00:56 |
| [mbm] | got it mostly working | 00:56 |
| [mbm] | just that I can't turn off the damn retu watchdog | 00:57 |
| [mbm] | so best I can do is suspend for 60 seconds at a time | 00:57 |
| [mbm] | (repeatedly) | 00:57 |
| asys3 | [mbm]/maddler:thx for help - I'll try now dual boot :-))) | 00:57 |
| maddler | tried with BFG-9000? :D | 00:57 |
| maddler | [mbm]: better than nothing... | 00:57 |
| maddler | asys3: have fun! :) | 00:57 |
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| maddler | time to hit the bed! | 01:02 |
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| chx | I tried to Google -- would you guys think that the Maemo is portable to E90? | 02:20 |
| [mbm] | porting linux to an unknown device is always a pain in the ass | 02:24 |
| [mbm] | plus I'm guessing that the e90 doesn't have much in the way of ram and flash | 02:24 |
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| chx | another question... is there a case to hold a foldable BT keyboard / Nokia N800 together like the recent HTC Advantage? that would be very nice. | 02:27 |
| [mbm] | haven't heard of anything specifically designed for the n800 | 02:28 |
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| [mbm] | inz: around? | 02:30 |
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| svu | is there any way to check the startup sequence as it goes? | 02:36 |
| [mbm] | ok, think I've got all the quirks of the suspend script figured out .. now to find some testers | 02:36 |
| [mbm] | svu: check what? | 02:37 |
| svu | [mbm], check how processes are being started up. In real time. (like console or smth) | 02:37 |
| svu | The device hangs just before the Home screen | 02:37 |
| [mbm] | you installed dropbear | 02:37 |
| * [mbm] notes that dropbear is somewhat broken and will stall bootup | 02:38 | |
| [mbm] | hence why I was looking for inz a minute ago | 02:38 |
| svu | [mbm], yes I did! and what can I do now? | 02:39 |
| kkito | has n800 limitation on loading libs? limitations on lib size? | 02:39 |
| * svu at least now knows the matter of problem, huge thanks to [mbm] | 02:39 | |
| [mbm] | svu: it needs entropy; something random that it can generate random numbers based off .. in other words press a bunch of keys until it boots | 02:40 |
| svu | [mbm], I will try, thanks | 02:40 |
| [mbm] | (yeah, stupid, I know) | 02:40 |
| svu | :)) | 02:40 |
| svu | YES IT WORKED! | 02:41 |
| svu | MY GOD | 02:41 |
| [mbm] | it really should be using urandom since random blocked | 02:41 |
| svu | [mbm], if you ever happen to be in Cork, Ireland - I owe you a pint of Murphys or smt | 02:42 |
| [mbm] | :) | 02:42 |
| [mbm] | actually I could use someone to test a script to improve battery performance | 02:43 |
| mikemorrison | it's dropbear that is stalling the bootup?! damn. i'm having the same prob | 02:44 |
| disq | another victim | 02:44 |
| mikemorrison | is it just the server part? | 02:44 |
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| [mbm] | yep | 02:45 |
| [mbm] | although the client also has issues when you run it | 02:45 |
| * [mbm] has a bunch of patches which should be applied to dropbear | 02:45 | |
| disq | mbm, do you know who released the update? | 02:45 |
| * disq is playing with rdesktop | 02:45 | |
| [mbm] | disq: inz is the one who packaged dropbear | 02:46 |
| disq | bad, bad inz | 02:47 |
| disq | btw, /identify yourself :) | 02:47 |
| [mbm] | oh, didn't even notice I had reconnected | 02:48 |
| [mbm] | there. | 02:48 |
| b0unc3 | someone know how to set an icon image for a control panel applet on n800 ? | 02:49 |
| [mbm] | disq: http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh | 02:49 |
| disq | b0unc3: are you developing an applet, or do you want to change one of the stock itons? | 02:49 |
| mikemorrison | is there a replacement for gnome_vfs_volume_get_icon ()? this function returns "gnome" icons which aren't on the n800 | 02:49 |
| b0unc3 | disq: I'm developing a new one | 02:49 |
| disq | [mbm]: mm-mm.. high byte is hour, low byte is minute? that's geeky | 02:51 |
| [mbm] | disq: yeah, that's how you screw around with the rtc alarm clock | 02:52 |
| [mbm] | which then lets you sleep without missing the watchdog | 02:52 |
| disq | b0unc3: if it's not in the docs you could try looking for an applet in stage.maemo.org, or browse some header files | 02:52 |
| [mbm] | so you can actually go into standby mode and drop the power | 02:52 |
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| * [mbm] always had trouble with the battery draining itself in softoff mode | 02:53 | |
| svu | it seems new dropbear update fixes the problem. I least I was able to turn off and boot normally | 02:53 |
| disq | [mbm]: btw i had a little chat with the mce maintainer, requested a few things like optionally mapping key presses to dbus messages when locked/instandby (for mp3 player functionality) | 02:53 |
| disq | [mbm]: at one point he stopped responding to my messages :P | 02:53 |
| [mbm] | cool. | 02:53 |
| [mbm] | hehe | 02:53 |
| [mbm] | disq: try the suspend script | 02:54 |
| b0unc3 | disq: fixed, with a reboot :) | 02:54 |
| disq | [mbm]: mm.. it somehow won't run as user :P | 02:55 |
| [mbm] | disq: no, needs to be running as root | 02:55 |
| disq | working :) | 02:55 |
| [mbm] | leave it running; goes into suspend when the screen blanks | 02:55 |
| disq | i got it into softpoweroff and it started doing stuff | 02:55 |
| [mbm] | yeah, that's the way I use it | 02:56 |
| disq | mm.. dropped connection | 02:56 |
| [mbm] | yeah, hardware is asleep | 02:56 |
| disq | just reconnected though | 02:56 |
| disq | nice it won't close/lose the open sockets | 02:56 |
| disq | sleep -57? | 02:56 |
| [mbm] | when you power back up it should be pretty much as you left it | 02:56 |
| [mbm] | oh .. bug in the display code | 02:57 |
| disq | the sequence was 25, 59, 45, 31, 18, -57, 49, 35 | 02:57 |
| disq | and reboot | 02:57 |
| [mbm] | reboot? | 02:57 |
| disq | it just rebooted. maybe the dsp bug kicked in :) | 02:58 |
| [mbm] | well, the numbers are the amount of seconds it's supposed to be sleeping for | 02:58 |
| [mbm] | at which point it wakes up and kicks the watchdog | 02:58 |
| [mbm] | if that fails then it actually loses power | 02:59 |
| * [mbm] fixes the display bug | 02:59 | |
| disq | trying again | 02:59 |
| [mbm] | -57 is supposed to be 63 | 02:59 |
| disq | reboot thingy might be because of the watchdog | 03:00 |
| [mbm] | maybe | 03:00 |
| [mbm] | one of them at least | 03:00 |
| [mbm] | there's several | 03:01 |
| [mbm] | also it behaves differently if the charger is attached | 03:01 |
| disq | and now it just turned off. had to unplug the charger of course | 03:01 |
| [mbm] | charger keeps waking up the device earlier than the alarm | 03:01 |
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| [mbm] | hmm | 03:03 |
| disq | ok trying again without the charger | 03:03 |
| [mbm] | dsp seems to have a few issues with suspend | 03:03 |
| [mbm] | media player occasionally locks up after the device has been in suspend mode | 03:03 |
| disq | connetionlost.wav played.. | 03:03 |
| [mbm] | not sure what's going on; mine had been in suspend mode for a few hours whtout any issue | 03:06 |
| disq | [mbm]: i woke it up, the screen came back and turned off again. had to put it to softpoweroff (single press to the pwrkey) and on to get it back | 03:07 |
| disq | (it was in natural standby when i ran the script) | 03:07 |
| svu | is there ruby for n800 anywhere? | 03:07 |
| disq | oh, reboot again. | 03:07 |
| disq | svu: i think so, check maemo.org/maemowiki | 03:08 |
| [mbm] | disq: probably woke it up at the same time it was trying to go back to sleep | 03:09 |
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| disq | trying to decide if i should get a openmokoThingy | 03:09 |
| disq | [mbm]: post it to maemo-dev after you're done with the script tonight, some nokia people would surely respond and give pointers | 03:10 |
| [mbm] | yeah, I'll keep toying with it | 03:11 |
| [mbm] | 99% working, it's just that pesky 1% | 03:11 |
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| derf | Okay, I think my gjiten port is Done. | 03:17 |
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| Unique311 | hello alll.. | 03:34 |
| Unique311 | gnupaint770 to gnupaint800 | 03:34 |
| Unique311 | anyone | 03:34 |
| Unique311 | would really appreciate it | 03:35 |
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| disq | Unique311: bug the author to release the source | 03:38 |
| disq | btw it's actually an IT2005 application (porting it to IT2006/2007 is a few hours work though) | 03:39 |
| Unique311 | k | 03:41 |
| [mbm] | hmm this dropbear thing is getting on my nerves | 03:41 |
| disq | yeah apparently so many people using dropbear instead of openssh :P | 03:44 |
| * [mbm] doesn't want openssh + openssl using up several mb | 03:45 | |
| disq | libssl is 128k | 03:46 |
| disq | ssh+ssd is around 800k | 03:46 |
| disq | though dunno maybe they're bigger and i missed some files :P | 03:47 |
| derf | I have not really had a space problem. | 03:47 |
| Unique311 | unless the dev for gnupaint releases the source im screwed | 03:48 |
| derf | And I'm running with cjk input with MB and MB of fonts and dictionaries. | 03:48 |
| Unique311 | kinda sucks | 03:48 |
| disq | Unique311: tuxpaint works on the n800. also maemopad+ has some primitive (ahem) sketching support | 03:48 |
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| [mbm] | gnu paint? http://gpaint.sourceforge.net/ | 03:49 |
| Unique311 | ya know | 03:49 |
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| disq | the n800 is so much better in terms of space, two full size sd slots, 256 megs of internal flash, 128 megs memory. every memory related spec is twice the size, compared to the 770 | 03:49 |
| Unique311 | thats it | 03:49 |
| disq | [mbm]: the author hildonized it, removed gnome stuff converted to gtk, etc. not much work and can be redone of course, but it's still work | 03:50 |
| pi-meson | Can I ask a quick scratchbox question? Does it support emulation of the n800? | 03:50 |
| derf | pi-meson: The device specifically? No. The processor? Yes. | 03:51 |
| disq | pi-meson: to some point. the base stuff is there, but it doesn't come with nokia specific stuff like the bundled programs, web browser, etc | 03:51 |
| derf | It's enough to do development on, though. | 03:52 |
| derf | Unless you're doing something particularly low-level. | 03:52 |
| disq | scratchbox/X11 experience is hellish for me even while developing. I always copy the binary over to my n800/770 and test it there | 03:52 |
| pi-meson | okay, here's my real question: the omap involved in the n800 uses an arm11 core, right? | 03:52 |
| derf | Really? I've had some glitches, but for the most part it works okay. | 03:52 |
| Unique311 | disq the source is on the site | 03:52 |
| derf | The main thing that bugs me is that the fonts are not the same. | 03:53 |
| derf | So it makes testing layout harder. | 03:53 |
| disq | pi-meson: it's a TI OMAP2420, uname and /dev/cpuinfo says "armv6l", go from there :) | 03:53 |
| pi-meson | disq: well, okay, so people familar with the arm port of qemu said that ARM refuses to let people write free software sims for the ARMv6 (arm 11 core) ISA | 03:54 |
| pi-meson | (as of last week) | 03:54 |
| disq | true. you can't compile v6-optimized code on scratchbox | 03:55 |
| disq | there's a cpu transparency kit though, you connect your n800 via usb, and it compiles/runs on the device transparently | 03:55 |
| disq | on the device's cpu to be precise | 03:55 |
| pi-meson | disq: do you really mean "compile", or just run? | 03:56 |
| pi-meson | like, I thought gcc had v6 support? | 03:56 |
| disq | Unique311: yes but it requires some porting. i didn't check but afaik the code on the site is gnome-specific. the original porter converted that to gtk+/hildon. it's not too much work but frankly i don't feel like it | 03:57 |
| disq | pi-meson: not sure :) there are some docs in the maemo site | 03:57 |
| disq | pi-meson: yeah, just run. http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_cpu_trans_bora.html | 03:58 |
| pi-meson | okay, wow, great. ARM, you suck! :) Thanks for the info though, this clears up everything. | 03:59 |
| disq | :) | 03:59 |
| Unique311 | disq: cool | 04:01 |
| disq | Unique311: if the it2005 porter had the sources (try sending a mail maybe) it's just some repackaging and recompiling to get it working on IT2006/2007 | 04:01 |
| Unique311 | k | 04:04 |
| Unique311 | http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/gnupaint770.html | 04:05 |
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| Unique311 | I left him a comment, hopefully he release the source.. | 04:10 |
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| BrianRice | hm. anyone know if delicious 770 ( http://moimart.org/category/delicious/ ) is still available somewhere? | 04:14 |
| BrianRice | the download links go to a dead site. perhaps i'll just notify the site owner | 04:14 |
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| disq | so who wants to write a semacode reader for maemo? :P | 05:07 |
| BrianRice | that would require a camera... | 05:21 |
| BrianRice | ah, the N800. not something i can do yet, then | 05:22 |
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| Emmy | I need some help compiling the cx3100x driver | 05:23 |
| disq | shoot. i didn't personally compile it but i read about it in maemo-dev | 05:27 |
| Emmy | disq: I've already have the maemo appliance with scratchbox installed, but I don't know the exact comand to compile the driver | 05:29 |
| disq | look for generic guidelines to compile a linux kernel module | 05:30 |
| disq | i had the line somewhere but i don't think i can find it right now | 05:30 |
| Emmy | I tried with make but it didn't work | 05:31 |
| disq | also, you need to get a binary file from the device (e*.ko? *mac.ko? something like that) to be able to compile a working driver. and there's a "calibration" utility you have to run on the device to make it work | 05:31 |
| Emmy | where do I get the binary file? | 05:31 |
| disq | Emmy: read the followups: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg08315.html | 05:32 |
| disq | Emmy: also this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/18776 | 05:34 |
| Emmy | disq: ok THANKS, do you know a goog guideline to compile a linux kernel module? | 05:34 |
| disq | Emmy: to compile a 2.6 kernel module try http://www.captain.at/programming/kernel-2.6/ and http://tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x181.html (found these via a one sec google search) | 05:35 |
| disq | the keywords i used were "compiling linux 2.6 modules" | 05:35 |
| Emmy | is the n800 kernel v. 2.6? | 05:35 |
| disq | yes. can i ask you the reason you're trying to recompile the module? | 05:36 |
| Emmy | cause there's a patch for the cx3110x, and with that patch you can use aireplay to crack WEP keys http://aircrack-ng.org | 05:37 |
| disq | ah okay :) | 05:37 |
| disq | injection? | 05:37 |
| Emmy | right! | 05:37 |
| Emmy | is there anything else I should know, I'm really new in Linux and compiling stuff | 05:39 |
| disq | not sure :) but google is your friend | 05:39 |
| Emmy | OK thanks a lot, "google knows everything!" | 05:41 |
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| mikemorrison | how do i use gdb to debug my program in the scratchbox? i have to launch with run-standalone.sh and gdb doesn't like this | 06:25 |
| disq | there's a way to tell gdb the cmd args, check the manpage/help | 06:26 |
| disq | you'll have to run /bin/sh with gdb, then set the arg1 to run-standalone.sh and arg2 to the binary | 06:26 |
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| disq | gah, i need to find a short document on X's WM hints | 06:29 |
| disq | i so hate xlib | 06:30 |
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| derf | Good luck, every window manager treats hints differently. | 06:40 |
| derf | You're better off trying to find a matchbox document, or just read the source. | 06:41 |
| mikemorrison | hmm. i can't seem to get this debugger going . it's buggered | 06:41 |
| mikemorrison | 06:41 | |
| disq | mike, i think "set args args" works | 06:46 |
| disq | ie. gdb /bin/sh and then set args "/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh" "/path/to/my/program" | 06:46 |
| disq | and then "run" | 06:46 |
| mikemorrison | yeah i tried that. same as running gdb --args ... | 06:49 |
| mikemorrison | it doesn't catch the segfault | 06:49 |
| disq | mmm | 06:51 |
| disq | you could make a my-standalone.sh and put gdb there | 06:52 |
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| tko | run-standalone.sh gdb /path/to/program | 07:36 |
| * disq made huge progress on the hack that's called "rdesktop" :) | 07:39 | |
| disq | menu button brings up contextmenu, also included disk sharing. hopefully the home button will work too | 07:40 |
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| inz | [mbm], dropbear-server now uses urandom | 08:56 |
| mikemorrison | tko: of course! now why didn't i think of that... thanks | 08:56 |
| disq | cool power key is XK_Execute | 08:56 |
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| [mbm] | inz: cool but I have a few mre patches | 09:08 |
| [mbm] | https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/package/dropbear/patches ;) | 09:10 |
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| derf | I'd like to have words with whoever decided that clicking on a scrollbar in the browser should send events to GtkIMContext. | 09:12 |
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| disq | don't we all | 09:14 |
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| [mbm] | hmm.. need a bigger battery | 09:21 |
| inz | [mbm], I'll check them later | 09:21 |
| [mbm] | the urandoom should have fixed the major issue | 09:22 |
| [mbm] | - hanging on boot | 09:23 |
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| disq | finally released rdesktop | 10:00 |
| [mbm] | :) | 10:00 |
| disq | added more ugly hacks to an already ugly port | 10:00 |
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| spaetz | mbm: are there bigger batteries? | 10:14 |
| [mbm] | don't know but I run mine flat pretty easily | 10:14 |
| spaetz | I kind of miss my slide-on cover like on the 770 | 10:14 |
| [mbm] | hence the suspend script | 10:14 |
| spaetz | It was a really good way of saving power when I did not need it | 10:15 |
| spaetz | Yep, I appreciate your suspend work :-) | 10:15 |
| spaetz | Looking forward to using it, once it becomes a little wider tested | 10:15 |
| [mbm] | well, worst that happens is you reboot | 10:16 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
| koen | hey Jaffa | 11:08 |
| JussiP | I made a video call from Australia to Finland with my N800. It worked flawlessly, even through a NAT firewall and al. I love you guys! | 11:11 |
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| thomasvs | hm, is there anyone who knows how I can get my jffs2 file system of my n800 ? | 11:13 |
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| inz | thomas, flasher -r <foo>.jffs2 -f? | 11:14 |
| [mbm] | thomasvs: confused as to what you're trying to get or why you're trying to get it | 11:14 |
| thomasvs | [mbm]: the root file system, because it has a bad sector/whatever and I want to see if I can fix it and get it to boot again | 11:15 |
| thomasvs | inz: that flashes an image onto the device, not the other way around, no ? | 11:15 |
| [mbm] | oh, well you can read the flash via the /dev/mtdblock* from a running system | 11:15 |
| [mbm] | mtdblock4 should be root | 11:16 |
| thomasvs | [mbm]: well, it doesn't run anymore because a block on the file system is corrupted | 11:16 |
| [mbm] | boot it off mmc and then try that trick ;) | 11:16 |
| thomasvs | ok, will try that. how do I get it to boot off of mmc ? | 11:16 |
| [mbm] | there's a wiki page describing it | 11:16 |
| thomasvs | ok, thanks | 11:17 |
| inz | thomas, sorry, misread one f as n | 11:18 |
| thomasvs | inz: that's ok. I was actually expecting that flasher had an option, but yeah, I couldn't find it | 11:19 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:27 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 11:29 |
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| maddler | morning... | 11:38 |
| disq | morning | 11:40 |
| mk8 | Hi to all ... my N800 was freezed so I refleash the S.O. after I'm no able to run the maemo mapper ... nobody have the same problem in that past . and have solved it ? ... (Sorry for my english ...:( ) | 11:40 |
| disq | mk8: did you try with the latest mmapper? 1.4.2 i think | 11:42 |
| mk8 | no .... the application is 1.3.1-3 | 11:43 |
| disq | 1.4.2 should probably fix it. garage.maemo.org has it | 11:43 |
| mk8 | disq .... thank's | 11:44 |
| greygoo | morning | 11:46 |
| * shackan is *shocked* | 11:46 | |
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| shackan | how come a *linux* computer with an *open* platform can't play back my vorbis files? | 11:47 |
| suihkulokki | shackan: huh? it's a open platform so you can *add* a ogg player at leisure | 11:48 |
| Knirch | maybe you *forgot* to actually *install* support? | 11:48 |
| shackan | Knirch, yes, I tought it was bundled, like mp3 support | 11:48 |
| Knirch | To assume is to... | 11:48 |
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| Knirch | :) | 11:49 |
| shackan | it seems there's no such support either | 11:51 |
| * shackan feels such a sad panda this morning... | 11:51 | |
| disq | don't go feeling pandas, please | 11:52 |
| greygoo | haha | 11:55 |
| greygoo | finally got my openvpn tunnel working in n800 :):) | 11:55 |
| zeenix | shackan: btw! there are serious doubts about the 'openness' or should i say 'freeness' of vorbis | 11:59 |
| shackan | zeenix, it's patented? | 11:59 |
| mk8 | Sorry, a silly question? Is possible to use USB connection between PC and N800 to use the internet connection of my pc inside the N800? | 11:59 |
| suihkulokki | shackan: I'm under the impression mogg works on n800 as well | 12:00 |
| disq | mk8: yes. it's covered in maemo.org somewhere, search for "usb networking" | 12:00 |
| zeenix | shackan: no it's not but mp3 people claim that vorbis voilates their patents | 12:00 |
| mk8 | thank's | 12:00 |
| zeenix | shackan: since (they claim) vorbis isn't very different from mp3.. | 12:01 |
| shackan | zeenix, yeeesh | 12:02 |
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| mk8 | disq: ....I tried to install mapper, but riquired libsqlite3 and libxau0 that I not found ...:( .... | 12:16 |
| greygoo | mk8: mh, i guess you miss some repository containing them | 12:18 |
| mk8 | ... In this moment the network for N800 not work, so I must manual install all package copying the file using USB cable ... :( | 12:19 |
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| disq | mk8: you can try getting the required files from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/ but they might require some other files and then it would go on like that | 12:40 |
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| disq | mk8: also, most of the libraries can't be installed via application manager (unless you enable red-pill mode, details in the wiki) you'll have to use "dpkg -i debname.deb" as root | 12:41 |
| disq | mk8: the easiest solution is to wait till you have network connectivity on the n800 and use the repositories | 12:41 |
| timeless | erm, you can use file manager to install .deb's using application manager.. | 12:43 |
| [mbm] | disq: fyi, you forgot X-Icon-path in the rdesktop.desktop | 12:46 |
| mk8 | I suppose that the best way is became root, but I must downlaod same package , so I try in the leta evening .....thank's to all ... | 12:47 |
| timeless | you really don't need to be root, file manager will work | 12:47 |
| timeless | in fact, iirc application manager has an install from file | 12:47 |
| disq | doh! let me submit a bug report to myself | 12:47 |
| timeless | yeah, app menu, application, install from file... | 12:48 |
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| [mbm] | disq: the default :: icon is ugly ;) | 12:48 |
| disq | timeless: if the app category is not user/* regular app manager won't install it | 12:48 |
| timeless | even for install from file?! | 12:48 |
| timeless | that seems really stupid | 12:49 |
| disq | even for that!!!111 | 12:49 |
| disq | :P | 12:49 |
| disq | yeah it is | 12:49 |
| timeless | remind me to bonk marius? | 12:49 |
| timeless | before i bonk him, can you think of /any/ reason it might do that? | 12:49 |
| disq | [mbm]: the icon works for me without the x-icon-path, where did you see the ugly :: icon? | 12:49 |
| [mbm] | disq: in the app menu | 12:50 |
| zuh | I think it should have been named AINA in the true unix style (Aina Is Not Apt) | 12:50 |
| disq | [mbm]: app menu.. app menu... erm... the taskbar-thingy? it's ok there too | 12:50 |
| [mbm] | disq: I mean home -> menu -> extras -> rdesktop .. | 12:51 |
| disq | rebooting should fix it, though rebooting shouldn't be a solution. i'm submitting the bugreport :P | 12:51 |
| timeless | hrm, i'm assuming application installer is open source and that you could patch it.. | 12:52 |
| [mbm] | went away after I messed with the .desktop file :P | 12:52 |
| disq | gforge's default tracker templates suck | 12:53 |
| timeless | s/'s.*es//;s/$/s/ | 12:53 |
| disq | heh | 12:54 |
| disq | is there a better solution btw? | 12:54 |
| disq | (speaking of.. gforge > siebel) | 12:55 |
| timeless | don't use it? :) | 12:55 |
| timeless | google has some sort of app forge, no idea if it's any good | 12:55 |
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| timeless | not sure what exactly you're looking for | 12:56 |
| disq | i'm only using garage because it's what maemo apps should use. having to add 92 (or some random number) app repositories is not a good thing | 12:56 |
| hrw | morning | 12:58 |
| * timeless sighs | 12:58 | |
| hrw | disq: lack of one good repository for maemo is also not a good thing | 12:58 |
| timeless | install from file explicitly checks for red pill | 12:59 |
| timeless | if you don't have redpill, you're likely to be rejected | 12:59 |
| linux4 | a physicals keyboard Bluetoth n770 is release for n800 ? where can buy and inch oz ? | 12:59 |
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| timeless | ? | 13:00 |
| disq | hrw: having projects that have lots of svn activity (and working code) but no actual releases is no good either. and it's another problem | 13:00 |
| timeless | nokia 770, nokia n800. n770 doesn't exist | 13:00 |
| timeless | there's a nokia bluetooth keyboard that works w/ the 770/n800, but i think your average bluetooth keyboard should work | 13:00 |
| timeless | bluetooth profiles are standardized and should just work | 13:01 |
| glass | any bt hid kb should work | 13:01 |
| disq | linux4: bluetooth keyboards in the market should work. try before buying, or checking internettablettalk.com (or google) would also help | 13:01 |
| glass | some of the non-hid's as well with the btkb driver afaik | 13:01 |
| hrw | most of bt keyboards works as serial not hid | 13:01 |
| hrw | atleast most of those PDA ones | 13:02 |
| glass | hrw: most of the better one's, or about any, work as hid as well nowadays | 13:02 |
| glass | stowaways at least | 13:02 |
| linux4 | disq: i would like buy a trademark nokia keyboard internettablettalk but where can buy | 13:02 |
| timeless | glass: i'm confused, the web seems to indicate the n800 supports both hid and serial port, does serial port just not work for keyboard input? :* | 13:03 |
| linux4 | n800 is future upgrade to wireless wifi-N schema ? romaning and it is possible to add cell outdoor | 13:04 |
| glass | serial isn't standard, the driver just supports some kb's | 13:04 |
| glass | through that | 13:04 |
| linux4 | timeless bluethoot keyboard | 13:04 |
| linux4 | timeless: bluetooth keyboard | 13:04 |
| * timeless is very confused | 13:05 | |
| timeless | linux4: you can generally pair the n800 w/ any bluetooth cell that has the DUN BT profile i suppose | 13:05 |
| [mbm] | glad to see I'm not the only one having parser errors with the above | 13:05 |
| linux4 | serial port in maemo n800 ? i dont think | 13:05 |
| timeless | i've never had problems pairing that | 13:05 |
| timeless | linux4: "serial port" is the name of a bluetooth "profile" | 13:06 |
| timeless | profiles are a way of standardizing interface features | 13:06 |
| linux4 | timeless: no cell for card wifi-n | 13:06 |
| timeless | and are named after the original system that had the feature | 13:06 |
| timeless | anyone here speak french? | 13:06 |
| zuh | linux4: There is one actually, although it's just the bare pins in the battery compartment (no connector for it...) | 13:06 |
| linux4 | timeless: ok | 13:06 |
| * timeless suspects reading linux4 in translation (fr->en) would be helpful | 13:06 | |
| linux4 | no i understand | 13:10 |
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| linux4 | only i search a link for buy a keyboard withe color form nokia n800 the official keyboard and i not understand well how Xscale is slow and no Duo Pro stick and BT keyboard form order and info to upgrade at wifi-N | 13:12 |
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| linux4 | i search a table very light a phone edge is at 77 metric fr gr / and mameo is 300 gr | 13:13 |
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| linux4 | maemo is EDGE ? SIM CARD feature ? | 13:19 |
| glass | you're not making too much sense | 13:20 |
| kkito | hello | 13:22 |
| timeless | glass: find a french translator | 13:22 |
| linux4 | n800 or a phone Edge for making my number phone enabled when i move | 13:23 |
| kkito | do you know if is it possible to shutdown the default maemo desktop, but not the X and a xterm and then load anything other window manager/desktop system? | 13:23 |
| timeless | kkito: desktop is lifeguarded | 13:24 |
| timeless | sp | 13:24 |
| disq | afaik somebody is running wmaker on it | 13:24 |
| timeless | if you suppress that, you can hack your startup scripts to do just about anything you want | 13:24 |
| linux4 | no others wm of gnome-amemo ? | 13:24 |
| disq | linux4: nokia's internet tablets are not cellphones, so no edge or gprs or sim. only wifi and bluetooth | 13:24 |
| kkito | timeless, do you know what are the scripts thad load the X and the desktop? | 13:25 |
| kkito | i cannot find the Xorg bin | 13:25 |
| zuh | kkito: '/etc/init.d/af-base-apps stop' shuts down m-a-d and some other stuff | 13:25 |
| kkito | zuh, thx :) | 13:25 |
| zuh | kkito: But that might take down more than you want... | 13:25 |
| linux4 | disq: ok no virtual edge for futur ? | 13:26 |
| disq | fgrep in /etc :) (mc's search is also handy to browse thru search results and stuff) | 13:26 |
| zuh | The individual scripts are in /etc/osso-af-init/ | 13:26 |
| linux4 | when i installed SIP phone maemo become a cellphone | 13:26 |
| disq | linux4: virtual? you mean planned? no | 13:26 |
| timeless | i could find out, but have other things to do, sorry :) | 13:26 |
| zuh | they can be run by "source /etc/osso-af-init/<script>.sh start/stop" | 13:26 |
| linux4 | disq: software emulation DSP software | 13:27 |
| zuh | You might need to source some of the .defs files first though... | 13:27 |
| shackan | oh my | 13:30 |
| shackan | why do I need an active internet connection to configure canola? | 13:31 |
| disq | shackan: yeah it's that way | 13:34 |
| disq | ok, i'll get some sleep. cya | 13:34 |
| shackan | disq, but, why? | 13:34 |
| disq | because indt loves web interfaces? | 13:34 |
| * shackan doesn't love indt anymore | 13:34 | |
| disq | i'm sure they'll fix it in the next release (which is.. IT2008?! :p ) | 13:35 |
| * disq stops with the jokes and goes to sleep | 13:35 | |
| linux4 | canola what is ? | 13:37 |
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| shackan | and now, soundconverter doesn't preserve ID3 attributes!!! | 13:37 |
| * shackan cries | 13:37 | |
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| kkito | hey when i kill matchbox-window-manager every time it is automatically reload... how can i kill the process and not get it reloaded? | 14:08 |
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| timeless | as i said, it's lifeguarded | 14:14 |
| timeless | you'd either have to remove the life guard, or change it | 14:14 |
| timeless | i'm sure google is fully capable of explaining this | 14:15 |
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| florian | hi jpetersen | 14:20 |
| jpetersen | hi | 14:20 |
| kulve | kkito: flasher lifeguard reset | 14:20 |
| kulve | just keywords | 14:21 |
| kkito | kulve, ? i must to execute that? | 14:21 |
| kulve | nope. Use those with the hint timeless said ;) | 14:21 |
| kulve | i.e. you can disable the reset behaviour with the flasher tool | 14:22 |
| kkito | kulve, but i must to reflash the system? | 14:22 |
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| kulve | no | 14:22 |
| kulve | It's just a flag | 14:22 |
| kkito | ok :) | 14:22 |
| kkito | thankyou | 14:22 |
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| kkito | kulve, sorry but i am unable to do that, can you help some more? how to disable the lifeguard feature? ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags no-lifeguard-reset ? | 14:32 |
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| kkito | that command doesnt run for me | 14:32 |
| kulve | --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 14:32 |
| kulve | that's a buggy flasher regarding to options.. | 14:33 |
| kkito | kulve, thankyou :D | 14:34 |
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| Guardian | hello maemo | 14:38 |
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| kkito | the flaag is reset everytime that i reboot the system? | 14:44 |
| kkito | kulve, i am doing something bad, i shutdown the device, run the flasher utility with the flags, then plug the device to the usb and i press the home+powerbutton, then the flag is enabled... but i boot up the device but the window-manager is reloaded every time that i kill it | 14:47 |
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| kulve | kkito: hmm.. yeah. It doesn't now reset the device, but it will restart the mb like 10 times.. | 14:51 |
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| kkito | kulve, ahhhh ok after 10 or more killall -9 matchbox-window-manager, now it is definitively killed.... | 14:52 |
| kkito | :) | 14:52 |
| kulve | you can try to search /etc/osso-af-init/* and modify it so, that it's started only once.. | 14:53 |
| kkito | ok :) | 14:54 |
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| kkito | running kde4 under n800 ;) | 15:01 |
| kkito | and it runs.. smooth! | 15:01 |
| kkito | awesome :D i never expected that results | 15:02 |
| kulve | screenshots, screenshots | 15:02 |
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| kkito | kulve ok :P | 15:03 |
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| Jaffa | Feh, GNOME runs fine too: http://bleb.org/photos/show.html?id=65&album=wibble ;-) | 15:07 |
| kkito | Jaffa, :) | 15:08 |
| kkito | if it can run kde, it can run gnome offcourse | 15:09 |
| kkito | but i prefeer kde :P | 15:09 |
| * Jaffa 's never seen a KDE desktop look as visually clean as a GNOME one; the fonts always seem "off" | 15:09 | |
| kkito | anyways i have not a full kde desktop, because kde4 it is not stable and not the apps is running | 15:10 |
| kkito | Jaffa, but kde4 will have a god pim suite plus a webkit navigator | 15:10 |
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| Jaffa | Yep. Does KDE have a built-in onscreen keyboard? | 15:15 |
| kkito | Jaffa, i am working on implementing it on qt | 15:17 |
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| kkito | what is the opera browser's bin? | 15:28 |
| c0ffee | libopera.so or something | 15:30 |
| inz | It's not a library... :/ | 15:34 |
| c0ffee | .a maybe, and we don't have the .a :) | 15:36 |
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| kkito | http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0827pv0.jpg | 16:00 |
| kkito | http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0829pn9.jpg | 16:00 |
| kkito | http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0830dm7.jpg | 16:01 |
| kkito | http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0831cj4.jpg | 16:01 |
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| kkito | did you see the images? | 16:11 |
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| kulve | kkito: yep | 16:15 |
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| k-s | kkito: vnc? | 16:40 |
| kkito | k-s, it is running on the n800, natively | 16:40 |
| k-s | kkito: put the binary somewhere! I want to try | 16:41 |
| k-s | kkito: no packages needed, just some tar.gz | 16:41 |
| kkito | k-s, it is 800 MegaBytes | 16:41 |
| k-s | ouch | 16:41 |
| k-s | kkito: do you plan to strip it down and put somewhere? | 16:41 |
| k-s | or is it just for fun? | 16:42 |
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| kkito | k-s, i dont know, perhaps in the future, when kde4 goes stable, i'll make some packages or something | 16:43 |
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| k-s | kkito: cool | 16:45 |
| k-s | kkito: any news on opie with new qt4? | 16:46 |
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| kkito | k-s, i dont know if opie will use qt4 :? but what do you want opie if you can run a full kde desktop :D | 16:47 |
| kkito | why | 16:47 |
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| zulla | kkito: Is this a full replacement of the boot system? | 16:49 |
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| kkito | zulla, no, i run it killing the maemo desktop first | 16:52 |
| kkito | and then i run startkde ... | 16:52 |
| zulla | how do you handle Wifi-Connections? | 16:52 |
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| zulla | ...within kde on the n800? | 16:54 |
| kkito | zulla, it is kde4, actually kde4 is in alpha state, most of the thinks doesnt run | 16:56 |
| kkito | things | 16:56 |
| zulla | ah, ok. | 16:56 |
| kkito | but in the future, kde has his own network manager | 16:56 |
| zulla | is there any "full" Linux Desktop except Maemo that one can use on a tablet PC? I tried to use Gnome and KDE on a Sony U tablet a year ago and both weren't usable without a keyboard and just a pen. Maemo is the first tablet-able Linux desktop that I liked. | 16:58 |
| zulla | Both KDE and pure (= non-Hildon) Gnome both lack pen-style input and on-screen-keyboards. | 16:59 |
| kkito | zulla, offcourse but it can be implemented... it is opensource ... | 17:01 |
| k-s[WORK] | kkito: I want opie because it have nifty pda apps | 17:02 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 17:02 |
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| k-s[WORK] | full-size kde desktop doesn't | 17:02 |
| zulla | kkito: yes, but despite a large number of tablet PCs, there still isn't anyone making it. So I guess that Maemo is the best alternative, so far. | 17:03 |
| * zulla only has an N800 tablet and no tablet PC to run Linux on. | 17:03 | |
| kkito | k-s[WORK], kde has kdepim, webbrowser (web 2.0 compatible), and so more... | 17:04 |
| kkito | zulla, well, i dont know why nobody did it, but it is no so hard to do | 17:05 |
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| Unique311 | hello all | 17:27 |
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| MDK | inz: hey, is the maemo-hackers terminal using hildon program or hildon app view? | 17:28 |
| inz | MDK, program | 17:29 |
| inz | MDK, and the trunk can be built w/ libhildon1 | 17:29 |
| MDK | inz: cool | 17:30 |
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| hrw | MDK: hi | 17:36 |
| MDK | hrw: hey | 17:36 |
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| hrw | MDK: after fosdem I reminded that one person from our (OE) booth shown me your businesscard and asked 'can you read his name' ;D | 17:37 |
| MDK | heh | 17:38 |
| MDK | my firstname got internationalized somewhere in the process | 17:39 |
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| hrw | MDK: second too | 17:40 |
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| lardman_ | How would one go about compiling something using an OE-built toolchain to be compatible with Maemo? | 17:49 |
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| lardman | Are there any abi changes between gcc 3.4.4 and 4.x.x for example? | 17:50 |
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| hrw | lardman: nokia use 3.4.4 in OS2007 | 17:55 |
| hrw | Version: 1:3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso3 | 17:56 |
| hrw | csl toolchain which is ..... | 17:56 |
| hrw | no comments from me | 17:56 |
| Magi | a newbie question, is there gcc that runs on the thing itself, not on pc? | 17:56 |
| hrw | Magi: it can be provided but it is not available normally | 17:58 |
| Magi | So no package? | 17:58 |
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| hrw | I do not think so | 18:00 |
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| lardman | hrw: I was wondering whether I could build something with another (less buggy) toolchain and run it on the nokia | 18:06 |
| lardman | hrw: Assuming I use the same version of libc, and other shared libs, etc. | 18:06 |
| hrw | lardman: you need to use poky then. and POKY_MODE = "eabi5" to get proper toolchain. | 18:07 |
| hrw | lardman: and expect many breakage | 18:07 |
| lardman | hrw: Sounds like fun | 18:08 |
| lardman | is that because the csl toolchain uses a funny eabi? | 18:08 |
| hrw | lardman: no. it is broken or not good tested | 18:09 |
| lardman | Okay, something to look into after my hols | 18:09 |
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| spaetz | shitty N800 headset broke, grumble | 18:24 |
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| kender | hi | 18:52 |
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| Unique311 | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=paint | 19:31 |
| Unique311 | can these aapps be ported to n800 | 19:31 |
| Unique311 | right now running on the zaurus | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | what, all of them? | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | I know that tuxpaint was ported for the 770 | 19:31 |
| kender | and runs on N800 | 19:31 |
| Unique311 | cloverpaint preferably | 19:31 |
| hrw | Unique311: does it run under opie or sharprom/cacko? | 19:32 |
| Unique311 | tuxpaint is alright | 19:32 |
| hrw | Unique311: if yes then no way to get it on nokias rather | 19:32 |
| Unique311 | im not sure | 19:32 |
| Unique311 | let me do some investigation | 19:32 |
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| Unique311 | have the model numbes of the zaurus | 19:35 |
| Unique311 | but not sure on what is being runneron then | 19:36 |
| hrw | let me look | 19:37 |
| Unique311 | sl-c700, 750, 760, 860, 6000, c3000, c1000 | 19:37 |
| hrw | Unique311: none of those apps will run under maemo | 19:39 |
| hrw | Unique311: like most of soft from killefiz. | 19:39 |
| lardman | there's no source for cloverpaint either | 19:39 |
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| hrw | Unique311: you have to remember that killefiz lists few years old software ;) | 19:39 |
| hrw | lardman: and it is GPL violation | 19:40 |
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| lardman | hrw: It's not released under GPL | 19:40 |
| Unique311 | ya a couple of the apps have the source included | 19:41 |
| lardman | Unique311: QPaint is Qtopia, so doesn't matter | 19:41 |
| hrw | lardman: QT/E license force you to release on GPL. I do not think that this developer bought qt license rather | 19:42 |
| lardman | hrw: I think cloverpaint looks like it's x11 based | 19:42 |
| lardman | tuxpaint is possible, as it just uses SDL from the looks of it | 19:43 |
| Unique311 | i have tuxpaint.. | 19:43 |
| Unique311 | lacks a lot of features | 19:43 |
| Unique311 | petite pienture would be nice but site is down | 19:44 |
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| hrw | lardman: cloverpaint use Qt - just checked. | 19:45 |
| Tak | I see there aren't any Maemo items at http://code.google.com/soc/ | 19:46 |
| lardman | hrw: I stand corrected | 19:47 |
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| hrw | hi pvanhoof | 19:47 |
| pvanhoof | hey | 19:47 |
| lardman | night chaps | 19:48 |
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| Unique311 | alot of apps for the zaurus...how old is it? | 19:49 |
| hrw | Unique311: 'apps' as many of killefix items are crap | 19:49 |
| hrw | Unique311: and most of those apps are from 2002-2004. usually one version created and then forgotten | 19:50 |
| s-ndh-c | when will modest be reeleased? | 19:50 |
| s-ndh-c | -e | 19:50 |
| Unique311 | k | 19:50 |
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| AD-N770 | hi ppl | 19:57 |
| kender | hey AD-N770 | 19:57 |
| AD-N770 | I've a N800 device with an infinite loop reboot at my hands. I'm triing to recover it now | 19:58 |
| AD-N770 | what I found until now is that mounting the rootfs require 4m 7s | 19:58 |
| AD-N770 | do you know what could be the reason ? | 19:59 |
| AD-N770 | I'm using serial console and the interactive shell to mount it manually | 19:59 |
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| hrw | AD-N770: lifeguard-reset? | 20:00 |
| AD-N770 | disabled | 20:00 |
| AD-N770 | but it continues rebooting | 20:01 |
| [mbm] | there's some situation where if you get into a reboot loop you have to go into rd mode | 20:01 |
| AD-N770 | I'm in rd mode | 20:01 |
| [mbm] | ran into it on my n800 where reflashing didn't work | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | jffs2 flash? | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | the garbage collector sometimes takes a long time | 20:02 |
| AD-N770 | if I continue with linuxrc after mount | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | and sometimes triggers the watchdog | 20:02 |
| AD-N770 | I'm getting Starting init | 20:02 |
| AD-N770 | init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl | 20:02 |
| AD-N770 | I would like recover it if is posible without reflashing | 20:03 |
| AD-N770 | is the second time that I need to reflash on that device | 20:04 |
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| AD-N770 | I would like find the reason | 20:04 |
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| hrw | AD-N770: I have 770 for week and 4 flashes during that time (one by my fault) | 20:05 |
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| s-ndh-c | only reflashed once as i tried to upgrade from official itos2006 to sardine :) | 20:06 |
| hrw | sardine? | 20:06 |
| s-ndh-c | i think the problem was that it is not possible to upgrade a running framework | 20:07 |
| [mbm] | AD-N770: if you're running into a watchdog you can disable omap watchdog and lifeguard reset via the flasher; attempting to disable retu watchdog will cause a reboot loop | 20:07 |
| AD-N770 | this isn't my device | 20:07 |
| s-ndh-c | i just symlinked /home/user to the mmc | 20:08 |
| s-ndh-c | so i can reflash without loosing downloaded documents and stuff | 20:09 |
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| AD-N770 | I'm going to try something more tomorrow. I've a cold and probably my single neurone isn't enough. | 20:13 |
| AD-N770 | and I need recharge the N800 battery now :) | 20:14 |
| AD-N770 | see u tomorrow | 20:14 |
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| maddlah | back! | 20:45 |
| pwille | is it possible to see the statusmessage of other people on your jabber contact list? | 20:46 |
| kender | yes | 20:47 |
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| b0unc3 | maddlah: :) | 20:49 |
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| maddlah | b0unc3: ao`! :D | 20:57 |
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| maddler | ora va meglio :) | 20:57 |
| maddler | b0unc3: ma quella roba che m'hai fatto vedere ieri? esiste? :) | 20:57 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: ovvio :) | 20:58 |
| maddler | wops... | 20:58 |
| maddler | and is it installable? :) | 20:58 |
| b0unc3 | of course :) | 20:58 |
| maddler | and are you going to give me the link? :) | 20:58 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: http://b0unc3.homeunix.net/nokia770/idea_1.0_armel.deb | 20:59 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: remember, it's a beta version :) | 21:00 |
| b0unc3 | let me know if you find some bug | 21:00 |
| zuh | What is it? | 21:00 |
| maddler | b0unc3: yep, that's why I asked... ;) | 21:01 |
| b0unc3 | zuh: http://nokia770.bouncelab.net/ss/n800-desk.png | 21:01 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: 770 or n800 ? | 21:01 |
| zuh | b0unc3: Not found... | 21:02 |
| b0unc3 | zuh: ops... http://nokia770.bouncelab.net/ss/n800-idea.png :) | 21:02 |
| maddler | b0unc3: both :) | 21:02 |
| maddler | I'm an addicted! :D | 21:02 |
| kender | b0unc3, =) | 21:03 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: good, idea work on both :) | 21:03 |
| Veggen | zuh: But why do you insist on a "start"-button? ;) | 21:03 |
| zuh | Veggen: ? | 21:04 |
| Veggen | ("Inizio") | 21:04 |
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| Veggen | eh, not zuh. | 21:04 |
| * zuh thought so | 21:04 | |
| Veggen | sorry. | 21:04 |
| maddler | hmmm... can't you configure buttons? | 21:05 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: I'm developing a control panel applet to do that | 21:05 |
| zuh | b0unc3: You could do it with the settings API for applets too | 21:06 |
| Veggen | b0unc3: what I'd like, is a "tabbed" home screen. | 21:06 |
| maddler | b0unc3: oh... nice... | 21:06 |
| maddler | hmmm... xterm icon is not working/starting | 21:06 |
| Veggen | hmm. Could one make an applet that can embed other of the applets? | 21:07 |
| Veggen | in that case, it could be fixable even if Nokia doesn't like the idea. | 21:07 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: take a look on /tmp/loggerhome | 21:07 |
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| mgedmin | cool, a launcher applet at last | 21:09 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: I'd say _the_ launcher app... | 21:31 |
| maddler | if the promises will be kept! :D | 21:32 |
| maddler | you know... italians... do it better! :D | 21:32 |
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| disq | :) | 21:36 |
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| disq | need a tabbed homescreen that also enables docking of desktop applets (even same applet multiple times) | 21:39 |
| disq | ie. use nokia's web shortcut homeapplet in the tabs and make it into a launcher-grid tabscreen | 21:40 |
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| maddler | yep... that would be nice... | 21:41 |
| disq | put gpe-calendar, omweather and gpe-todo and clock to another tabscreen | 21:41 |
| maddler | let's see... what b0unc3 will be able to do... :) | 21:41 |
| disq | yeah :) | 21:41 |
| disq | maddler: tried the new rdesktop? | 21:41 |
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| b0unc3 | :) | 21:44 |
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| maddler | disq not yet... worth a try? :) | 21:47 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:47 |
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| disq | maddler: yes :) | 21:53 |
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| c0ffee | what's the name of the garage admin project? | 22:09 |
| c0ffee | or where should I post to for problems with garage? | 22:09 |
| shackan | what would be the best way to implement a 'submit to del.icio.us' button in the n800 browser? | 22:11 |
| c0ffee | <button name="submit to del.icio.us"/> | 22:14 |
| shackan | eh, now embed it into the browser | 22:15 |
| disq | <input type="button" name="submit to del.icio.us"/> should work better | 22:15 |
| disq | or s/name/value | 22:16 |
| c0ffee | i refuse to write proper html | 22:16 |
| c0ffee | it makes me look bad | 22:16 |
| cosmo_ | mod player plugin rules, i just listened to mods for 4 hours, maybe less than 100mb in size | 22:17 |
| c0ffee | i once wrote a mod player/editor myself | 22:17 |
| c0ffee | mods rule bigtime | 22:17 |
| [mbm] | don't see many mod files anymore | 22:20 |
| c0ffee | aren't some ringtones mod files? | 22:20 |
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| maddler | mbm... any progress with suspend? | 23:07 |
| maddler | [mbm]: I was thinking about that this morning... | 23:07 |
| maddler | when I found my N800's battery fully depleted after a night spent with "suspend.sh" running :) | 23:08 |
| [mbm] | I've been playing with the script somewhat | 23:09 |
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| [mbm] | make sure you have the latest version | 23:10 |
| [mbm] | seems to work ok for me | 23:10 |
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| [mbm] | loadavg after a suspend is screwed up | 23:11 |
| [mbm] | and the audio has hung on occasion | 23:11 |
| maddler | [mbm]: gimme the link... | 23:12 |
| [mbm] | but the actual battery usage has improved | 23:12 |
| [mbm] | maddler: http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh | 23:12 |
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| maddler | ok... lemme check... :) | 23:15 |
| maddler | looks like it's working... | 23:18 |
| maddler | I'll leave it running tonight... | 23:18 |
| maddler | we'll see tomorrow morning :) | 23:18 |
| [mbm] | :) | 23:18 |
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| Veggen | hmm. rdesktop in a repository. Does it work, nowadays? | 23:28 |
| [mbm] | disq just uploaded that yesterday | 23:28 |
| [mbm] | reminds me, I should actually try it | 23:28 |
| maddler | doh... spntaneous reboot... | 23:29 |
| Veggen | me too. I have nowhere to really try it, though. Probably need to use bluetooth PAN at work :) | 23:29 |
| [mbm] | maddler: suppose I should mention that my n800 is in rd with omap watchdog and lifeguard turned off | 23:29 |
| [mbm] | so the only thing capable of rebooting it is retu | 23:30 |
| maddler | yup... I supposed you were in RD mode... | 23:30 |
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| [mbm] | hmm yep, rdesktop actually works | 23:37 |
| [mbm] | creepy. | 23:37 |
| maddler | lemme try... :) | 23:39 |
| [mbm] | needs a keyboard | 23:39 |
| [mbm] | (onscreen keyboard doesn't work) | 23:39 |
| Veggen | oh. | 23:39 |
| disq | needs proper hildonization and a developer | 23:39 |
| [mbm] | if you type your login ahead of time you can connect and use the mouse | 23:40 |
| disq | you'll have to use windows vkb | 23:40 |
| Tak | windows onscreen kb? | 23:40 |
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| [mbm] | suspect it would be more fun with a bluetooth keyboard for the 800 | 23:40 |
| maddler | hmmm... crashed... | 23:41 |
| disq | you should see the lengths i went to to get the power/home keys to properly minimize it :) | 23:41 |
| disq | (in maemo powerkey is mapped to XK_Execute btw :p ) | 23:41 |
| maddler | working! | 23:42 |
| disq | also david the mce maintainer replied to my 15 day old mail, saying he'll see what he can do about that | 23:42 |
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| disq | (about optionally getting the hw keys send dbus messages when the device is locked/suspended, for mp3 player functionality) | 23:43 |
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| disq | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROZG4he2cuE somebody has a lot of free time | 23:48 |
| maddler | strange feeling to see winblows on Godot's screen! | 23:48 |
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| maddler | disq: you bet... | 23:50 |
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