IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-03-05

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[mbm]derf: /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max00:08
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BrianRicecanola is pretty impressive00:26
inode0I was just playing with canola. I tried ushare on my slug and the mediastreamer didn't see it but canola did right away.00:28
derf[mbm]: Thanks... it says 4.00:29
derf4 would've been enough... one of them must've gotten hosed or something.00:30
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[mbm]odd. my resolv.conf isn't updating00:36
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maddlermbm on sbox?00:43
[mbm]on the n800, but I think I know what I did to it00:43
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[mbm]forgot that thigns were supposed to be routed via dnsmasq00:44
maddlerthat's a good starting point... :)00:44
asys3hi, anyone her just tried dual boot from ? I'd like to know if booting is possible from SD cards, too...00:46
[mbm]mmc means sd00:46
asys3i only ask because sd=encrypted, mmc=not encrypted...00:46
maddlerwhere from?00:47
asys3on sharp zaurus there where problems because the sd access source was closed - for mmc there was no problem.00:48
maddlerasys3: really dunno...00:48
[mbm]think you're confused00:49
maddlerbtw on maemo SD and MMC are working in the same way... afaik...00:49
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maddlerI mean there is no practical difference among them...00:49
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gabor_good evening00:49
asys3so the access to any sd/mmc or whatever access is coded in the controller and so it is accessible when booting from sd - that could be a reason.00:50
asys3that can be the difference to the older zaurus design...00:50
gabor_I want to develop for N80000:51
gabor_I have installed Scratchbox Apophis r4 (1.0.7)00:51
[mbm]you can access a card via serial or dma.. if I remember right the dma protocol was proprietary00:51
gabor_next step is: $ bash maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh00:51
gabor_but it complains that: E: The minimum required scratchbox-core version is
asys3mbm: [sorry]: so when booting sd card access layer is available already - ok. so i can use my sd card for dual boot! that's good news.00:53
[mbm]that's one of the thigns on my todo list to try after I get this suspend mode stuff working00:53
maddlermbm... drop me a line if you need betatesting :)00:56
[mbm]got it mostly working00:56
[mbm]just that I can't turn off the damn retu watchdog00:57
[mbm]so best I can do is suspend for 60 seconds at a time00:57
asys3[mbm]/maddler:thx for help - I'll try now dual boot :-)))00:57
maddlertried with BFG-9000? :D00:57
maddler[mbm]: better than nothing...00:57
maddlerasys3: have fun! :)00:57
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maddlertime to hit the bed!01:02
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chxI tried to Google -- would you guys think that the Maemo is portable to E90?02:20
[mbm]porting linux to an unknown device is always a pain in the ass02:24
[mbm]plus I'm guessing that the e90 doesn't have much in the way of ram and flash02:24
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chxanother question... is there a case to hold a foldable BT keyboard / Nokia N800 together like the recent HTC Advantage? that would be very nice.02:27
[mbm]haven't heard of anything specifically designed for the n80002:28
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[mbm]inz: around?02:30
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svuis there any way to check the startup sequence as it goes?02:36
[mbm]ok, think I've got all the quirks of the suspend script figured out .. now to find some testers02:36
[mbm]svu: check what?02:37
svu[mbm], check how processes are being started up. In real time. (like console or smth)02:37
svuThe device hangs just before the Home screen02:37
[mbm]you installed dropbear02:37
* [mbm] notes that dropbear is somewhat broken and will stall bootup02:38
[mbm]hence why I was looking for inz a minute ago02:38
svu[mbm], yes I did! and what can I do now?02:39
kkitohas n800 limitation on loading libs? limitations on lib size?02:39
* svu at least now knows the matter of problem, huge thanks to [mbm] 02:39
[mbm]svu: it needs entropy; something random that it can generate random numbers based off .. in other words press a bunch of keys until it boots02:40
svu[mbm], I will try, thanks02:40
[mbm](yeah, stupid, I know)02:40
svuYES IT WORKED!02:41
svuMY GOD02:41
[mbm]it really should be using urandom since random blocked02:41
svu[mbm], if you ever happen to be in Cork, Ireland - I owe you a pint of Murphys or smt02:42
[mbm]actually I could use someone to test a script to improve battery performance02:43
mikemorrisonit's dropbear that is stalling the bootup?! damn. i'm having the same prob02:44
disqanother victim02:44
mikemorrisonis it just the server part?02:44
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[mbm]although the client also has issues when you run it02:45
* [mbm] has a bunch of patches which should be applied to dropbear02:45
disqmbm, do you know who released the update?02:45
* disq is playing with rdesktop02:45
[mbm]disq: inz is the one who packaged dropbear02:46
disqbad, bad inz02:47
disqbtw, /identify yourself :)02:47
[mbm]oh, didn't even notice I had reconnected02:48
b0unc3someone know how to set an icon image for a control panel applet on n800 ?02:49
disqb0unc3: are you developing an applet, or do you want to change one of the stock itons?02:49
mikemorrisonis there a replacement for gnome_vfs_volume_get_icon ()? this function returns "gnome" icons which aren't on the n80002:49
b0unc3disq: I'm developing a new one02:49
disq[mbm]: mm-mm.. high byte is hour, low byte is minute? that's geeky02:51
[mbm]disq: yeah, that's how you screw around with the rtc alarm clock02:52
[mbm]which then lets you sleep without missing the watchdog02:52
disqb0unc3: if it's not in the docs you could try looking for an applet in, or browse some header files02:52
[mbm]so you can actually go into standby mode and drop the power02:52
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* [mbm] always had trouble with the battery draining itself in softoff mode02:53
svuit seems new dropbear update fixes the problem. I least I was able to turn off and boot normally02:53
disq[mbm]: btw i had a little chat with the mce maintainer, requested a few things like optionally mapping key presses to dbus messages when locked/instandby (for mp3 player functionality)02:53
disq[mbm]: at one point he stopped responding to my messages :P02:53
[mbm]disq: try the suspend script02:54
b0unc3disq: fixed, with a reboot :)02:54
disq[mbm]: mm.. it somehow won't run as user :P02:55
[mbm]disq: no, needs to be running as root02:55
disqworking :)02:55
[mbm]leave it running; goes into suspend when the screen blanks02:55
disqi got it into softpoweroff and it started doing stuff02:55
[mbm]yeah, that's the way I use it02:56
disqmm.. dropped connection02:56
[mbm]yeah, hardware is asleep02:56
disqjust reconnected though02:56
disqnice it won't close/lose the open sockets02:56
disqsleep -57?02:56
[mbm]when you power back up it should be pretty much as you left it02:56
[mbm]oh .. bug in the display code02:57
disqthe sequence was 25, 59, 45, 31, 18, -57, 49, 3502:57
disqand reboot02:57
disqit just rebooted. maybe the dsp bug kicked in :)02:58
[mbm]well, the numbers are the amount of seconds it's supposed to be sleeping for02:58
[mbm]at which point it wakes up and kicks the watchdog02:58
[mbm]if that fails then it actually loses power02:59
* [mbm] fixes the display bug02:59
disqtrying again02:59
[mbm]-57 is supposed to be 6302:59
disqreboot thingy might be because of the watchdog03:00
[mbm]one of them at least03:00
[mbm]there's several03:01
[mbm]also it behaves differently if the charger is attached03:01
disqand now it just turned off. had to unplug the charger of course03:01
[mbm]charger keeps waking up the device earlier than the alarm03:01
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disqok trying again without the charger03:03
[mbm]dsp seems to have a few issues with suspend03:03
[mbm]media player occasionally locks up after the device has been in suspend mode03:03
disqconnetionlost.wav played..03:03
[mbm]not sure what's going on; mine had been in suspend mode for a few hours whtout any issue03:06
disq[mbm]: i woke it up, the screen came back and turned off again. had to put it to softpoweroff (single press to the pwrkey) and on to get it back03:07
disq(it was in natural standby when i ran the script)03:07
svuis there ruby for n800 anywhere?03:07
disqoh, reboot again.03:07
disqsvu: i think so, check
[mbm]disq: probably woke it up at the same time it was trying to go back to sleep03:09
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disqtrying to decide if i should get a openmokoThingy03:09
disq[mbm]: post it to maemo-dev after you're done with the script tonight, some nokia people would surely respond and give pointers03:10
[mbm]yeah, I'll keep toying with it03:11
[mbm]99% working, it's just that pesky 1%03:11
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derfOkay, I think my gjiten port is Done.03:17
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Unique311hello alll..03:34
Unique311gnupaint770  to gnupaint80003:34
Unique311would really appreciate it03:35
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disqUnique311: bug the author to release the source03:38
disqbtw it's actually an IT2005 application (porting it to IT2006/2007 is a few hours work though)03:39
[mbm]hmm this dropbear thing is getting on my nerves03:41
disqyeah apparently so many people using dropbear instead of openssh :P03:44
* [mbm] doesn't want openssh + openssl using up several mb03:45
disqlibssl is 128k03:46
disqssh+ssd is around 800k03:46
disqthough dunno maybe they're bigger and i missed some files :P03:47
derfI have not really had a space problem.03:47
Unique311unless the dev for gnupaint releases the source im screwed03:48
derfAnd I'm running with cjk input with MB and MB of fonts and dictionaries.03:48
Unique311kinda sucks03:48
disqUnique311: tuxpaint works on the n800. also maemopad+ has some primitive (ahem) sketching support03:48
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[mbm]gnu paint?
Unique311ya  know03:49
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disqthe n800 is so much better in terms of space, two full size sd slots, 256 megs of internal flash, 128 megs memory. every memory related spec is twice the size, compared to the 77003:49
Unique311thats it03:49
disq[mbm]: the author hildonized it, removed gnome stuff converted to gtk, etc. not much work and can be redone of course, but it's still work03:50
pi-mesonCan I ask a quick scratchbox question? Does it support emulation of the n800?03:50
derfpi-meson: The device specifically? No. The processor? Yes.03:51
disqpi-meson: to some point. the base stuff is there, but it doesn't come with nokia specific stuff like the bundled programs, web browser, etc03:51
derfIt's enough to do development on, though.03:52
derfUnless you're doing something particularly low-level.03:52
disqscratchbox/X11 experience is hellish for me even while developing. I always copy the binary over to my n800/770 and test it there03:52
pi-mesonokay, here's my real question: the omap involved in the n800 uses an arm11 core, right?03:52
derfReally? I've had some glitches, but for the most part it works okay.03:52
Unique311disq the source is on the site03:52
derfThe main thing that bugs me is that the fonts are not the same.03:53
derfSo it makes testing layout harder.03:53
disqpi-meson: it's a TI OMAP2420, uname and /dev/cpuinfo says "armv6l", go from there :)03:53
pi-mesondisq: well, okay, so people familar with the arm port of qemu said that ARM refuses to let people write free software sims for the ARMv6 (arm 11 core) ISA03:54
pi-meson(as of last week)03:54
disqtrue. you can't compile v6-optimized code on scratchbox03:55
disqthere's a cpu transparency kit though, you connect your n800 via usb, and it compiles/runs on the device transparently03:55
disqon the device's cpu to be precise03:55
pi-mesondisq: do you really mean "compile", or just run?03:56
pi-mesonlike, I thought gcc had v6 support?03:56
disqUnique311: yes but it requires some porting. i didn't check but afaik the code on the site is gnome-specific. the original porter converted that to gtk+/hildon. it's not too much work but frankly i don't feel like it03:57
disqpi-meson: not sure :) there are some docs in the maemo site03:57
disqpi-meson: yeah, just run.
pi-mesonokay, wow, great. ARM, you suck! :)  Thanks for the info though, this clears up everything.03:59
Unique311disq: cool04:01
disqUnique311: if the it2005 porter had the sources (try sending a mail maybe) it's just some repackaging and recompiling to get it working on IT2006/200704:01
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Unique311I left him a comment, hopefully he release the source..04:10
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BrianRicehm. anyone know if delicious 770 ( ) is still available somewhere?04:14
BrianRicethe download links go to a dead site. perhaps i'll just notify the site owner04:14
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disqso who wants to write a semacode reader for maemo? :P05:07
BrianRicethat would require a camera...05:21
BrianRiceah, the N800. not something i can do yet, then05:22
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EmmyI need some help compiling the cx3100x driver05:23
disqshoot. i didn't personally compile it but i read about it in maemo-dev05:27
Emmydisq: I've already have the maemo appliance with scratchbox installed, but I don't know the exact comand to compile the driver05:29
disqlook for generic guidelines to compile a linux kernel module05:30
disqi had the line somewhere but i don't think i can find it right now05:30
EmmyI tried with make but it didn't work05:31
disqalso, you need to get a binary file from the device (e*.ko? *mac.ko? something like that) to be able to compile a working driver. and there's a "calibration" utility you have to run on the device to make it work05:31
Emmywhere do I get the binary file?05:31
disqEmmy: read the followups:
disqEmmy: also this:
Emmydisq: ok THANKS, do you know a goog guideline to compile a linux kernel module?05:34
disqEmmy: to compile a 2.6 kernel module try and (found these via a one sec google search)05:35
disqthe keywords i used were "compiling linux 2.6 modules"05:35
Emmyis the n800 kernel v. 2.6?05:35
disqyes. can i ask you the reason you're trying to recompile the module?05:36
Emmycause there's a patch for the cx3110x, and with that patch you can use aireplay to crack WEP keys http://aircrack-ng.org05:37
disqah okay :)05:37
Emmyis there anything else I should know, I'm really new in Linux and compiling stuff05:39
disqnot sure :) but google is your friend05:39
EmmyOK thanks a lot, "google knows everything!"05:41
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mikemorrisonhow do i use gdb to debug my program in the scratchbox? i have to launch with and gdb doesn't like this06:25
disqthere's a way to tell gdb the cmd args, check the manpage/help06:26
disqyou'll have to run /bin/sh with gdb, then set the arg1 to and arg2 to the binary06:26
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disqgah, i need to find a short document on X's WM hints06:29
disqi so hate xlib06:30
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derfGood luck, every window manager treats hints differently.06:40
derfYou're better off trying to find a matchbox document, or just read the source.06:41
mikemorrisonhmm. i can't seem to get this debugger going . it's buggered06:41
disqmike, i think "set args args" works06:46
disqie. gdb /bin/sh and then set args "/usr/bin/" "/path/to/my/program"06:46
disqand then "run"06:46
mikemorrisonyeah i tried that. same as running gdb --args ...06:49
mikemorrisonit doesn't catch the segfault06:49
disqyou could make a and put gdb there06:52
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* disq made huge progress on the hack that's called "rdesktop" :)07:39
disqmenu button brings up contextmenu, also included disk sharing. hopefully the home button will work too07:40
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inz[mbm], dropbear-server now uses urandom08:56
mikemorrisontko: of course! now why didn't i think of that... thanks08:56
disqcool power key is XK_Execute08:56
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[mbm]inz: cool but I have a few mre patches09:08
[mbm] ;)09:10
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derfI'd like to have words with whoever decided that clicking on a scrollbar in the browser should send events to GtkIMContext.09:12
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disqdon't we all09:14
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[mbm]hmm.. need a bigger battery09:21
inz[mbm], I'll check them later09:21
[mbm]the urandoom should have fixed the major issue09:22
[mbm]- hanging on boot09:23
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disqfinally released rdesktop10:00
disqadded more ugly hacks to an already ugly port10:00
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spaetzmbm: are there bigger batteries?10:14
[mbm]don't know but I run mine flat pretty easily10:14
spaetzI kind of miss my slide-on cover like on the 77010:14
[mbm]hence the suspend script10:14
spaetzIt was a really good way of saving power when I did not need it10:15
spaetzYep, I appreciate your suspend work :-)10:15
spaetzLooking forward to using it, once it becomes  a little wider tested10:15
[mbm]well, worst that happens is you reboot10:16
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JaffaMorning, all11:07
koenhey Jaffa11:08
JussiPI made a video call from Australia to Finland with my N800. It worked flawlessly, even through a NAT firewall and al. I love you guys!11:11
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thomasvshm, is there anyone who knows how I can get my jffs2 file system of my n800 ?11:13
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inzthomas, flasher -r <foo>.jffs2 -f?11:14
[mbm]thomasvs: confused as to what you're trying to get or why you're trying to get it11:14
thomasvs[mbm]: the root file system, because it has a bad sector/whatever and I want to see if I can fix it and get it to boot again11:15
thomasvsinz: that flashes an image onto the device, not the other way around, no ?11:15
[mbm]oh, well you can read the flash via the /dev/mtdblock* from a running system11:15
[mbm]mtdblock4 should be root11:16
thomasvs[mbm]: well, it doesn't run anymore because a block on the file system is corrupted11:16
[mbm]boot it off mmc and then try that trick ;)11:16
thomasvsok, will try that.  how do I get it to boot off of mmc ?11:16
[mbm]there's a wiki page describing it11:16
thomasvsok, thanks11:17
inzthomas, sorry, misread one f as n11:18
thomasvsinz: that's ok.  I was actually expecting that flasher had an option, but yeah, I couldn't find it11:19
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AD-N770good morning11:27
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mk8Hi to all ...11:29
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mk8Hi to all ... my N800 was freezed so I refleash the S.O. after I'm no able to run the maemo mapper ... nobody have the same problem in that past . and have solved it ? ... (Sorry for my english ...:( )11:40
disqmk8: did you try with the latest mmapper? 1.4.2 i think11:42
mk8no .... the application is 1.3.1-311:43
disq1.4.2 should probably fix it. has it11:43
mk8disq .... thank's11:44
* shackan is *shocked*11:46
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shackanhow come a *linux* computer with an *open* platform can't play back my vorbis files?11:47
suihkulokkishackan: huh? it's a open platform so you can *add* a ogg player at leisure11:48
Knirchmaybe you *forgot* to actually *install* support?11:48
shackanKnirch, yes, I tought it was bundled, like mp3 support11:48
KnirchTo assume is to...11:48
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shackanit seems there's no such support either11:51
* shackan feels such a sad panda this morning...11:51
disqdon't go feeling pandas, please11:52
greygoofinally got my openvpn tunnel working in n800 :):)11:55
zeenixshackan: btw! there are serious doubts about the 'openness' or should i say 'freeness' of vorbis11:59
shackanzeenix, it's patented?11:59
mk8Sorry, a silly question? Is possible to use USB connection between PC and N800 to use the internet connection of my pc inside the N800?11:59
suihkulokkishackan: I'm under the impression mogg works on n800 as well12:00
disqmk8: yes. it's covered in somewhere, search for "usb networking"12:00
zeenixshackan: no it's not but mp3 people claim that vorbis voilates their patents12:00
zeenixshackan: since (they claim) vorbis isn't very different from mp3..12:01
shackanzeenix, yeeesh12:02
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mk8disq:  ....I tried to install mapper, but riquired libsqlite3 and libxau0 that I not found ...:( ....12:16
greygoomk8: mh, i guess you miss some repository containing them12:18
mk8... In this moment the network for N800 not work, so I must manual install all package copying the file using USB cable ... :(12:19
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disqmk8: you can try getting the required files from but they might require some other files and then it would go on like that12:40
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disqmk8: also, most of the libraries can't be installed via application manager (unless you enable red-pill mode, details in the wiki) you'll have to use "dpkg -i debname.deb" as root12:41
disqmk8: the easiest solution is to wait till you have network connectivity on the n800 and use the repositories12:41
timelesserm, you can use file manager to install .deb's using application manager..12:43
[mbm]disq: fyi, you forgot X-Icon-path in the rdesktop.desktop12:46
mk8I suppose that the best way is became root, but I must downlaod same package , so I try in the leta evening .....thank's to all ...12:47
timelessyou really don't need to be root, file manager will work12:47
timelessin fact, iirc application manager has an install from file12:47
disqdoh! let me submit a bug report to myself12:47
timelessyeah, app menu, application, install from file...12:48
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[mbm]disq: the default :: icon is ugly ;)12:48
disqtimeless: if the app category is not user/* regular app manager won't install it12:48
timelesseven for install from file?!12:48
timelessthat seems really stupid12:49
disqeven for that!!!11112:49
disqyeah it is12:49
timelessremind me to bonk marius?12:49
timelessbefore i bonk him, can you think of /any/ reason it might do that?12:49
disq[mbm]: the icon works for me without the x-icon-path, where did you see the ugly :: icon?12:49
[mbm]disq: in the app menu12:50
zuhI think it should have been named AINA in the true unix style (Aina Is Not Apt)12:50
disq[mbm]: app menu.. app menu... erm... the taskbar-thingy? it's ok there too12:50
[mbm]disq: I mean home -> menu -> extras -> rdesktop ..12:51
disqrebooting should fix it, though rebooting shouldn't be a solution. i'm submitting the bugreport :P12:51
timelesshrm, i'm assuming application installer is open source and that you could patch it..12:52
[mbm]went away after I messed with the .desktop file :P12:52
disqgforge's default tracker templates suck12:53
disqis there a better solution btw?12:54
disq(speaking of.. gforge > siebel)12:55
timelessdon't use it? :)12:55
timelessgoogle has some sort of app forge, no idea if it's any good12:55
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timelessnot sure what exactly you're looking for12:56
disqi'm only using garage because it's what maemo apps should use. having to add 92 (or some random number) app repositories is not a good thing12:56
* timeless sighs12:58
hrwdisq: lack of one good repository for maemo is also not a good thing12:58
timelessinstall from file explicitly checks for red pill12:59
timelessif you don't have redpill, you're likely to be rejected12:59
linux4a physicals keyboard Bluetoth n770 is release for n800 ? where can buy and inch oz ?12:59
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disqhrw: having projects that have lots of svn activity (and working code) but no actual releases is no good either. and it's another problem13:00
timelessnokia 770, nokia n800. n770 doesn't exist13:00
timelessthere's a nokia bluetooth keyboard that works w/ the 770/n800, but i think your average bluetooth keyboard should work13:00
timelessbluetooth profiles are standardized and should just work13:01
glassany bt hid kb should work13:01
disqlinux4: bluetooth keyboards in the market should work. try before buying, or checking (or google) would also help13:01
glasssome of the non-hid's as well with the btkb driver afaik13:01
hrwmost of bt keyboards works as serial not hid13:01
hrwatleast most of those PDA ones13:02
glasshrw: most of the better one's, or about any, work as hid as well nowadays13:02
glassstowaways at least13:02
linux4disq: i would like buy a trademark nokia keyboard internettablettalk but where can buy13:02
timelessglass: i'm confused, the web seems to indicate the n800 supports both hid and serial port, does serial port just not work for keyboard input? :*13:03
linux4n800 is future upgrade to wireless wifi-N schema ? romaning and it is possible to add cell outdoor13:04
glassserial isn't standard, the driver just supports some kb's13:04
glassthrough that13:04
linux4timeless  bluethoot keyboard13:04
linux4timeless:  bluetooth keyboard13:04
* timeless is very confused13:05
timelesslinux4: you can generally pair the n800 w/ any bluetooth cell that has the DUN BT profile i suppose13:05
[mbm]glad to see I'm not the only one having parser errors with the above13:05
linux4serial port in maemo n800 ? i dont think13:05
timelessi've never had problems pairing that13:05
timelesslinux4: "serial port" is the name of a bluetooth "profile"13:06
timelessprofiles are a way of standardizing interface features13:06
linux4timeless: no cell for card wifi-n13:06
timelessand are named after the original system that had the feature13:06
timelessanyone here speak french?13:06
zuhlinux4: There is one actually, although it's just the bare pins in the battery compartment (no connector for it...)13:06
linux4timeless: ok13:06
* timeless suspects reading linux4 in translation (fr->en) would be helpful13:06
linux4no i understand13:10
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linux4only i search a link for buy a keyboard withe color form nokia n800 the official keyboard and i not understand well how Xscale is slow and no Duo Pro stick and BT keyboard form order and info to upgrade at wifi-N13:12
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linux4i search a table very light a phone edge is at 77 metric fr gr / and mameo is 300 gr13:13
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linux4maemo is EDGE ? SIM CARD feature ?13:19
glassyou're not making too much sense13:20
timelessglass: find a french translator13:22
linux4n800 or a phone Edge for making my number phone enabled when i move13:23
kkitodo you know if is it possible to shutdown the default maemo desktop, but not the X and a xterm and then load anything other window manager/desktop system?13:23
timelesskkito: desktop is lifeguarded13:24
disqafaik somebody is running wmaker on it13:24
timelessif you suppress that, you can hack your startup scripts to do just about anything you want13:24
linux4no others wm of gnome-amemo ?13:24
disqlinux4: nokia's internet tablets are not cellphones, so no edge or gprs or sim. only wifi and bluetooth13:24
kkitotimeless, do you know what are the scripts thad load the X and the desktop?13:25
kkitoi cannot find the Xorg bin13:25
zuhkkito: '/etc/init.d/af-base-apps stop' shuts down m-a-d and some other stuff13:25
kkitozuh, thx :)13:25
zuhkkito: But that might take down more than you want...13:25
linux4disq: ok no virtual edge for futur ?13:26
disqfgrep in /etc :) (mc's search is also handy to browse thru search results and stuff)13:26
zuhThe individual scripts are in /etc/osso-af-init/13:26
linux4when i installed SIP phone maemo become a cellphone13:26
disqlinux4: virtual? you mean planned? no13:26
timelessi could find out, but have other things to do, sorry :)13:26
zuhthey can be run by "source /etc/osso-af-init/<script>.sh start/stop"13:26
linux4disq: software emulation DSP software13:27
zuhYou might need to source some of the .defs files first though...13:27
shackanoh my13:30
shackanwhy do I need an active internet connection to configure canola?13:31
disqshackan: yeah it's that way13:34
disqok, i'll get some sleep. cya13:34
shackandisq, but, why?13:34
disqbecause indt loves web interfaces?13:34
* shackan doesn't love indt anymore13:34
disqi'm sure they'll fix it in the next release (which is.. IT2008?! :p )13:35
* disq stops with the jokes and goes to sleep13:35
linux4canola what is ?13:37
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shackanand now, soundconverter doesn't preserve ID3 attributes!!!13:37
* shackan cries13:37
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kkitohey when i kill  matchbox-window-manager every time it is automatically reload... how can i kill the process and not get it reloaded?14:08
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timelessas i said, it's lifeguarded14:14
timelessyou'd either have to remove the life guard, or change it14:14
timelessi'm sure google is fully capable of explaining this14:15
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florianhi jpetersen14:20
kulvekkito: flasher lifeguard reset14:20
kulvejust keywords14:21
kkitokulve, ? i must to execute that?14:21
kulvenope. Use those with the hint timeless said ;)14:21
kulvei.e. you can disable the reset behaviour with the flasher tool14:22
kkitokulve, but i must to reflash the system?14:22
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kulveIt's just a flag14:22
kkitook :)14:22
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kkitokulve, sorry but i am unable to do that, can you help some more? how to disable the lifeguard feature? ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags no-lifeguard-reset ?14:32
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kkitothat command doesnt run for me14:32
kulvethat's a buggy flasher regarding to options..14:33
kkitokulve, thankyou :D14:34
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Guardianhello maemo14:38
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kkitothe flaag is reset everytime that i reboot the system?14:44
kkitokulve, i am doing something bad, i shutdown the device, run the flasher utility with the flags, then plug the device to the usb and i press the home+powerbutton, then the flag is enabled... but i boot up the device but the window-manager is reloaded every time that i kill it14:47
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kulvekkito: hmm.. yeah. It doesn't now reset the device, but it will restart the mb like 10 times..14:51
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kkitokulve, ahhhh ok after 10 or more killall -9 matchbox-window-manager, now it is definitively killed....14:52
kulveyou can try to search /etc/osso-af-init/* and modify it so, that it's started only once..14:53
kkitook :)14:54
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kkitorunning kde4 under n800 ;)15:01
kkitoand it runs.. smooth!15:01
kkitoawesome :D i never expected that results15:02
kulvescreenshots, screenshots15:02
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kkitokulve ok :P15:03
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JaffaFeh, GNOME runs fine too: ;-)15:07
kkitoJaffa, :)15:08
kkitoif it can run kde, it can run gnome offcourse15:09
kkitobut i prefeer kde :P15:09
* Jaffa 's never seen a KDE desktop look as visually clean as a GNOME one; the fonts always seem "off"15:09
kkitoanyways i have not a full kde desktop, because kde4 it is not stable and not the apps is running15:10
kkitoJaffa, but kde4 will have a god pim suite plus a webkit navigator15:10
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JaffaYep. Does KDE have a built-in onscreen keyboard?15:15
kkitoJaffa, i am working on implementing it on qt15:17
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kkitowhat is the opera browser's bin?15:28 or something15:30
inzIt's not a library... :/15:34
c0ffee.a maybe, and we don't have the .a :)15:36
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kkitodid you see the images?16:11
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kulvekkito: yep16:15
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k-skkito: vnc?16:40
kkitok-s, it is running on the n800, natively16:40
k-skkito: put the binary somewhere! I want to try16:41
k-skkito: no packages needed, just some tar.gz16:41
kkitok-s, it is 800 MegaBytes16:41
k-skkito: do you plan to strip it down and put somewhere?16:41
k-sor is it just for fun?16:42
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kkitok-s, i dont know, perhaps in the future, when kde4 goes stable, i'll make some packages or something16:43
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k-skkito: cool16:45
k-skkito: any news on opie with new qt4?16:46
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kkitok-s, i dont know if opie will use qt4 :? but what do you want opie if you can run a full kde desktop :D16:47
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zullakkito: Is this a full replacement of the boot system?16:49
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kkitozulla, no, i run it killing the maemo desktop first16:52
kkitoand then i run startkde ...16:52
zullahow do you handle Wifi-Connections?16:52
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zulla...within kde on the n800?16:54
kkitozulla, it is kde4, actually kde4 is in alpha state, most of the thinks doesnt run16:56
zullaah, ok.16:56
kkitobut in the future, kde has his own network manager16:56
zullais there any "full" Linux Desktop except Maemo that one can use on a tablet PC? I tried to use Gnome and KDE on a Sony U tablet a year ago and both weren't usable without a keyboard and just a pen. Maemo is the first tablet-able Linux desktop that I liked.16:58
zullaBoth KDE and pure (= non-Hildon) Gnome both lack pen-style input and on-screen-keyboards.16:59
kkitozulla, offcourse but it can be implemented... it is opensource ...17:01
k-s[WORK]kkito: I want opie because it have nifty pda apps17:02
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k-s[WORK]full-size kde desktop doesn't17:02
zullakkito: yes, but despite a large number of tablet PCs, there still isn't anyone making it. So I guess that Maemo is the best alternative, so far.17:03
* zulla only has an N800 tablet and no tablet PC to run Linux on.17:03
kkitok-s[WORK], kde has kdepim, webbrowser (web 2.0 compatible), and so more...17:04
kkitozulla, well, i dont know why nobody did it, but it is no so hard to do17:05
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Unique311hello all17:27
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MDKinz: hey, is the maemo-hackers terminal using hildon program or hildon app view?17:28
inzMDK, program17:29
inzMDK, and the trunk can be built w/ libhildon117:29
MDKinz: cool17:30
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hrwMDK: hi17:36
MDKhrw: hey17:36
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hrwMDK: after fosdem I reminded that one person from our (OE) booth shown me your businesscard and asked 'can you read his name' ;D17:37
MDKmy firstname got internationalized somewhere in the process17:39
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hrwMDK: second too17:40
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lardman_How would one go about compiling something using an OE-built toolchain to be compatible with Maemo?17:49
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lardmanAre there any abi changes between gcc 3.4.4 and 4.x.x for example?17:50
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hrwlardman: nokia use 3.4.4 in OS200717:55
hrwVersion: 1:3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso317:56
hrwcsl toolchain which is .....17:56
hrwno comments from me17:56
Magia newbie question, is there gcc that runs on the thing itself, not on pc?17:56
hrwMagi: it can be provided but it is not available normally17:58
MagiSo no package?17:58
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hrwI do not think so18:00
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lardmanhrw: I was wondering whether I could build something with another (less buggy) toolchain and run it on the nokia18:06
lardmanhrw: Assuming I use the same version of libc, and other shared libs, etc.18:06
hrwlardman: you need to use poky then. and POKY_MODE = "eabi5" to get proper toolchain.18:07
hrwlardman: and expect many breakage18:07
lardmanhrw: Sounds like fun18:08
lardmanis that because the csl toolchain uses a funny eabi?18:08
hrwlardman: no. it is broken or not good tested18:09
lardmanOkay, something to look into after my hols18:09
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spaetzshitty N800 headset broke, grumble18:24
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Unique311can these aapps be ported to n80019:31
Unique311right now running on the zaurus19:31
mgedminwhat, all of them?19:31
mgedminI know that tuxpaint was ported for the 77019:31
kenderand runs on N80019:31
Unique311cloverpaint preferably19:31
hrwUnique311: does it run under opie or sharprom/cacko?19:32
Unique311tuxpaint is alright19:32
hrwUnique311: if yes then no way to get it on nokias rather19:32
Unique311im not sure19:32
Unique311let me do some investigation19:32
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Unique311have the model numbes of the zaurus19:35
Unique311but not sure on what is being runneron then19:36
hrwlet me look19:37
Unique311sl-c700,  750, 760, 860, 6000, c3000, c100019:37
hrwUnique311: none of those apps will run under maemo19:39
hrwUnique311: like most of soft from killefiz.19:39
lardmanthere's no source for cloverpaint either19:39
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hrwUnique311: you have to remember that killefiz lists few years old software ;)19:39
hrwlardman: and it is GPL violation19:40
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lardmanhrw: It's not released under GPL19:40
Unique311ya a couple of the apps have the source included19:41
lardmanUnique311: QPaint is Qtopia, so doesn't matter19:41
hrwlardman: QT/E license force you to release on GPL. I do not think that this developer bought qt license rather19:42
lardmanhrw: I think cloverpaint looks like it's x11 based19:42
lardmantuxpaint is possible, as it just uses SDL from the looks of it19:43
Unique311i have tuxpaint..19:43
Unique311lacks a lot of features19:43
Unique311petite pienture would be nice but site is down19:44
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hrwlardman: cloverpaint use Qt - just checked.19:45
TakI see there aren't any Maemo items at
lardmanhrw: I stand corrected19:47
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hrwhi pvanhoof19:47
lardmannight chaps19:48
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Unique311alot of apps for the old is it?19:49
hrwUnique311: 'apps' as many of killefix items are crap19:49
hrwUnique311: and most of those apps are from 2002-2004. usually one version created and then forgotten19:50
s-ndh-cwhen will modest be reeleased?19:50
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AD-N770hi ppl19:57
kenderhey AD-N77019:57
AD-N770I've a N800 device with an infinite loop reboot at my hands. I'm triing to recover it now19:58
AD-N770what I found until now is that mounting the rootfs require 4m 7s19:58
AD-N770do you know what could be the reason ?19:59
AD-N770I'm using serial console and the interactive shell to mount it manually19:59
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hrwAD-N770: lifeguard-reset?20:00
AD-N770but it continues rebooting20:01
[mbm]there's some situation where if you get into a reboot loop you have to go into rd mode20:01
AD-N770I'm in rd mode20:01
[mbm]ran into it on my n800 where reflashing didn't work20:01
mgedminjffs2 flash?20:01
mgedminthe garbage collector sometimes takes a long time20:02
AD-N770if I continue with linuxrc after mount20:02
mgedminand sometimes triggers the watchdog20:02
AD-N770I'm getting Starting init20:02
AD-N770init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl20:02
AD-N770I would like recover it if is posible without reflashing20:03
AD-N770is the second time that I need to reflash on that device20:04
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AD-N770I would like find the reason20:04
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hrwAD-N770: I have 770 for week and 4 flashes during that time (one by my fault)20:05
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s-ndh-conly reflashed once as i tried to upgrade from official itos2006 to sardine :)20:06
s-ndh-ci think the problem was that it is not possible to  upgrade a running framework20:07
[mbm]AD-N770: if you're running into a watchdog you can disable omap watchdog and lifeguard reset via the flasher; attempting to disable retu watchdog will cause a reboot loop20:07
AD-N770this isn't my device20:07
s-ndh-ci just symlinked /home/user to the mmc20:08
s-ndh-cso i can reflash without loosing downloaded documents and stuff20:09
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AD-N770I'm going to try something more tomorrow. I've a cold and probably my single neurone isn't enough.20:13
AD-N770and I need recharge the N800 battery now :)20:14
AD-N770see u tomorrow20:14
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pwilleis it possible to see the statusmessage of other people on your jabber contact list?20:46
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b0unc3maddlah: :)20:49
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maddlahb0unc3: ao`! :D20:57
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maddlerora va meglio :)20:57
maddlerb0unc3: ma quella roba che m'hai fatto vedere ieri? esiste? :)20:57
b0unc3maddler: ovvio :)20:58
maddlerand is it installable? :)20:58
b0unc3of course :)20:58
maddlerand are you going to give me the link? :)20:58
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b0unc3maddler: remember, it's a beta version :)21:00
b0unc3let me know if you find some bug21:00
zuhWhat is it?21:00
maddlerb0unc3: yep, that's why I asked... ;)21:01
b0unc3maddler: 770 or n800 ?21:01
zuhb0unc3: Not found...21:02
b0unc3zuh: ops... :)21:02
maddlerb0unc3: both :)21:02
maddlerI'm an addicted! :D21:02
kenderb0unc3, =)21:03
b0unc3maddler: good, idea work on both :)21:03
Veggenzuh: But why do you insist on a "start"-button? ;)21:03
zuhVeggen: ?21:04
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Veggeneh, not zuh.21:04
* zuh thought so21:04
maddlerhmmm... can't you configure buttons?21:05
b0unc3maddler: I'm developing a control panel applet to do that21:05
zuhb0unc3: You could do it with the settings API for applets too21:06
Veggenb0unc3: what I'd like, is a "tabbed" home screen.21:06
maddlerb0unc3: oh... nice...21:06
maddlerhmmm... xterm icon is not working/starting21:06
Veggenhmm. Could one make an applet that can embed other of the applets?21:07
Veggenin that case, it could be fixable even if Nokia doesn't like the idea.21:07
b0unc3maddler: take a look on /tmp/loggerhome21:07
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mgedmincool, a launcher applet at last21:09
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maddlermgedmin: I'd say _the_ launcher app...21:31
maddlerif the promises will be kept! :D21:32
maddleryou know... italians... do it better! :D21:32
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disqneed a tabbed homescreen that also enables docking of desktop applets (even same applet multiple times)21:39
disqie. use nokia's web shortcut homeapplet in the tabs and make it into a launcher-grid tabscreen21:40
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maddleryep... that would be nice...21:41
disqput gpe-calendar, omweather and gpe-todo and clock to another tabscreen21:41
maddlerlet's see... what b0unc3 will be able to do... :)21:41
disqyeah :)21:41
disqmaddler: tried the new rdesktop?21:41
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maddler disq not yet... worth a try? :)21:47
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disqmaddler: yes :)21:53
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c0ffeewhat's the name of the garage admin project?22:09
c0ffeeor where should I post to for problems with garage?22:09
shackanwhat would be the best way to implement a 'submit to' button in the n800 browser?22:11
c0ffee<button name="submit to"/>22:14
shackaneh, now embed it into the browser22:15
disq<input type="button" name="submit to"/> should work better22:15
disqor s/name/value22:16
c0ffeei refuse to write proper html22:16
c0ffeeit makes me look bad22:16
cosmo_mod player plugin rules, i just listened to mods for 4 hours, maybe less than 100mb in size22:17
c0ffeei once wrote a mod player/editor myself22:17
c0ffeemods rule bigtime22:17
[mbm]don't see many mod files anymore22:20
c0ffeearen't some ringtones mod files?22:20
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maddlermbm... any progress with suspend?23:07
maddler[mbm]: I was thinking about that this morning...23:07
maddlerwhen I found my N800's battery fully depleted after a night spent with "" running :)23:08
[mbm]I've been playing with the script somewhat23:09
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[mbm]make sure you have the latest version23:10
[mbm]seems to work ok for me23:10
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[mbm]loadavg after a suspend is screwed up23:11
[mbm]and the audio has hung on occasion23:11
maddler[mbm]: gimme the link...23:12
[mbm]but the actual battery usage has improved23:12
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maddlerok... lemme check... :)23:15
maddlerlooks like it's working...23:18
maddlerI'll leave it running tonight...23:18
maddlerwe'll see tomorrow morning :)23:18
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Veggenhmm. rdesktop in a repository. Does it work, nowadays?23:28
[mbm]disq just uploaded that yesterday23:28
[mbm]reminds me, I should actually try it23:28
maddlerdoh... spntaneous reboot...23:29
Veggenme too. I have nowhere to really try it, though. Probably need to use bluetooth PAN at work :)23:29
[mbm]maddler: suppose I should mention that my n800 is in rd with omap watchdog and lifeguard turned off23:29
[mbm]so the only thing capable of rebooting it is retu23:30
maddleryup... I supposed you were in RD mode...23:30
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[mbm]hmm yep, rdesktop actually works23:37
maddlerlemme try... :)23:39
[mbm]needs a keyboard23:39
[mbm](onscreen keyboard doesn't work)23:39
disqneeds proper hildonization and a developer23:39
[mbm]if you type your login ahead of time you can connect and use the mouse23:40
disqyou'll have to use windows vkb23:40
Takwindows onscreen kb?23:40
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[mbm]suspect it would be more fun with a bluetooth keyboard for the 80023:40
maddlerhmmm... crashed...23:41
disqyou should see the lengths i went to to get the power/home keys to properly minimize it :)23:41
disq(in maemo powerkey is mapped to XK_Execute btw :p )23:41
disqalso david the mce maintainer replied to my 15 day old mail, saying he'll see what he can do about that23:42
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disq(about optionally getting the hw keys send dbus messages when the device is locked/suspended, for mp3 player functionality)23:43
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disq somebody has a lot of free time23:48
maddlerstrange feeling to see winblows on Godot's screen!23:48
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maddlerdisq: you bet...23:50
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