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| maddler | dum dee daaa... | 00:11 |
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| disq | mmm | 00:17 |
| disq | will release rdesktop 0.2, added a 8bpp checkbox | 00:17 |
| maddler | nice... :) | 00:21 |
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| b0unc3 | uhm, well idea seem to work fine and I can quit happy tonight :) | 00:29 |
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| maddler | idea? | 00:38 |
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| b0unc3 | yeah ... look here : http://nokia770.bouncelab.net/ss/n800-idea.png | 00:43 |
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| Molagi | looks nice | 00:54 |
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| flyingfred0 | disq: where can i get your release of rdesktop? | 01:12 |
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| maddler | b0unc3_: niiiiice... | 01:17 |
| disq | flyingfred0: i updated the maemo wiki applicationcatalog2006 | 01:17 |
| maddler | b0unc3_: any working binary? | 01:17 |
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| disq | i think somebody was working on that kind of mac-style launcher | 01:19 |
| maddler | disq: yep... but never seen anything working... | 01:19 |
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| disq | there are very few developers who actually come up with usable maemo softwre | 01:24 |
| maddler | disq: sounds so... | 01:24 |
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| Tak | disq: did you update the new app catalog? | 01:31 |
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| disq | the new app catalog only has .install files and i don't have it on a repo yet | 01:33 |
| disq | applied for a rdesktop project on the garage tho | 01:34 |
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| Sulis | hmm, my n800 takes a long time to start up now, it hangs for a really long time on the nokia screen with the blue bar at the bottom | 01:53 |
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| disq | Sulis: maybe a jffs2 problem? did you check dmesg output? | 01:59 |
| shackan_ | Sulis, how long? | 02:01 |
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| Sulis | shackan_: it's a couple of minutes | 02:20 |
| shackan_ | my boot time has always been more than a minute, don't know if it's normal | 02:22 |
| Sulis | shackan_: it used to be the case that the blue bar would get to the end and it would almost instantly go to the picture of the hands, play the little tune and i'd see the home screen | 02:24 |
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| Sulis | ok...it's longer than a couple of minutes... | 02:26 |
| Sulis | hmm, now it's been more than five minutes and it's still on the nokia screen... | 02:29 |
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| Sulis | now it won't boot at all! | 03:10 |
| Sulis | i've only had this thing for a few days...how can it have gone wrong already??? | 03:10 |
| Superbia | just reflash it and it will be as new again :) or take it back to the store and ask for a new if you think it's hardware failure :) | 03:15 |
| Sulis | hmm, so i really will *have* to find out how to flash it | 03:16 |
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| Superbia | theres a program for it on nokias webpage or if you use linux on maemo.org :) | 03:17 |
| Sulis | yeah, is there documentation with the linux program? | 03:19 |
| Superbia | hmm don't think it has manpages but there should be some good docs on the download page | 03:20 |
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| Markov | hey. how can i reboot the n800 if it is frozen and i cannot get to the "switch off" option? | 07:44 |
| derf | Markov: Remove the battery. | 07:45 |
| Markov | derf: is that safe? | 07:45 |
| derf | Unplug it first, obviously. | 07:46 |
| derf | I've had to do it a few times already. | 07:47 |
| Markov | the battery is hard as hell to get ouit | 07:47 |
| Markov | which end do you pry out first? | 07:47 |
| derf | The side near the outside, away from the leads. | 07:48 |
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| Markov | do you use a screwdriver or anything? | 07:54 |
| derf | Nope, fingers worked fine. | 07:54 |
| Markov | oh i got it | 07:54 |
| Markov | you have to pick at it in the right spot | 07:55 |
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| [mbm] | yay; suspend script works | 10:20 |
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| derf | suspend?! | 10:45 |
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| [mbm] | derf: yep; actual low power mode | 11:03 |
| [mbm] | softoff doesn't do much more than blank the screen | 11:04 |
| derf | Yeah, I noticed that. | 11:05 |
| derf | Since my ssh sessions seemed to have no problem. | 11:05 |
| derf | I don't even have suspend working on my laptop. | 11:06 |
| [mbm] | heh | 11:06 |
| [mbm] | theres a 64 second hardware warchdog that I haven't been able to figure out | 11:07 |
| [mbm] | it's part of retu | 11:07 |
| [mbm] | so the script is update the watchdog, set a wakeup and then suspend for 60 sec | 11:08 |
| [mbm] | repeatedly | 11:09 |
| [mbm] | suspend seems to cut power to the screen, wireless and sd cards | 11:10 |
| derf | Excellent. I think except for adding fullscreen support, this port of gjiten is done. | 11:14 |
| derf | And maybe figuring out why on earth it shows up in the application menu twice. | 11:14 |
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| [mbm] | http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh | 11:18 |
| [mbm] | needs work; suspends whnever the screen trns off | 11:19 |
| derf | I'd like to figure out how to get it to dim the display when it's unplugged, and change the blank timeouts. | 11:21 |
| derf | Well, presumably I could change all the settings with gconf, if I could just figure out how to detect the event. | 11:22 |
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| [mbm] | you can read/set the backlight either from shell or gconf | 11:25 |
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| [mbm] | in gconf - /sys/osso/dsm/display | 11:28 |
| [mbm] | shell - /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel | 11:29 |
| derf | Yeah, but how do I find out when the adapter has been (un)plugged. | 11:31 |
| kulve | listen to dbus messages | 11:31 |
| derf | I don't see documentation for such things anywhere. | 11:36 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#Hardware-states | 11:39 |
| kulve | libosso callbacks.. | 11:39 |
| kulve | dunno, if there's a DBUS docs somewhere about those. Use dbus-monitor to find them out? | 11:40 |
| derf | I know next to nothing about dbus. | 11:40 |
| kulve | Nokia-N800-51:~# dbus-monitor --system | 11:41 |
| kulve | signal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_disconnected | 11:42 |
| kulve | signal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_charging_off | 11:42 |
| kulve | signal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=charger_connected | 11:42 |
| kulve | signal sender=:1.7 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.bme.signal; member=battery_full | 11:42 |
| derf | Sweet. | 11:43 |
| [mbm] | hmm .. my suspend script triggers a soft lock with the timer irq | 11:53 |
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| [mbm] | non fatal; just annoying | 11:55 |
| derf | Hmm, their e-mail program does not deal well with 21,000 messages. | 12:00 |
| kulve | does it do well with anything.. | 12:01 |
| derf | I have no idea... I just started it for the first time. | 12:01 |
| derf | Is there something better? | 12:01 |
| [mbm] | anyone want to verify my suspend script in non rd mode? | 12:02 |
| kulve | derf: I think not really.. | 12:02 |
| kulve | derf: ssh + pine :) | 12:02 |
| [mbm] | my system is prety customized; not sure the script will wwork for anyone else | 12:03 |
| [mbm] | no takers? | 12:10 |
| kulve | [mbm]: I can test.. Just tell me what and how :) | 12:11 |
| [mbm] | http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh | 12:13 |
| [mbm] | open an xterm; run the cript and leave it running | 12:14 |
| kulve | as root? | 12:14 |
| kulve | I don't have root in xterm | 12:14 |
| kulve | just over ssh | 12:15 |
| [mbm] | ok; run via ssh | 12:15 |
| kulve | what should it do? | 12:15 |
| [mbm] | if you have softoff use it, otherwise wait for it to turn off the screen due to idle timeout | 12:16 |
| kulve | "wait" | 12:16 |
| [mbm] | script should see the screen off and suspend | 12:16 |
| kulve | ok | 12:16 |
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| kulve | how do I see that it goes suspend? | 12:17 |
| [mbm] | and resume with power | 12:17 |
| [mbm] | leave the screen off for over a minute | 12:18 |
| kulve | still "wait". I have set the idle times pretty long.. | 12:18 |
| [mbm] | then power back up | 12:18 |
| kulve | now the screen dimmed, not blanked yet | 12:18 |
| svu | is there anyone who's n800 hangs at boot time (when the blue progress bar at the bottom reached the right end)? | 12:18 |
| [mbm] | dmesg should then show the VMMC changed | 12:18 |
| kulve | [mbm]: btw. I have it on charger now.. Does it matter? | 12:20 |
| [mbm] | shouldn't | 12:20 |
| kulve | blanked | 12:21 |
| kulve | refresh, sleep | 12:21 |
| [mbm] | right; leave it that way | 12:22 |
| [mbm] | refresh means it updated the watchdog timers | 12:22 |
| [mbm] | sleep means it's waitng for an alarm | 12:23 |
| [mbm] | it sleeps for a minute at a time | 12:23 |
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| [mbm] | so you see the cycle repeat | 12:23 |
| kulve | should I see more "sleep"s ? | 12:24 |
| spaetz | [mbm]: are you creating a better power save mode? | 12:24 |
| [mbm] | spaetz: yep | 12:24 |
| [mbm] | kulve: no; wifi is off | 12:24 |
| [mbm] | when you power it back you may see mmore | 12:25 |
| spaetz | cool, will you post your result to the list (or some other place)? that would be awesome | 12:25 |
| k-way | I am really happy with the it2007 for n 770. | 12:26 |
| [mbm] | reason i said to keep it off over a min was to see if it'd refresh the watchdog correctly | 12:26 |
| kulve | [mbm]: so, I'll just power it up normally now? | 12:26 |
| k-way | typing is even beter then with the n800 | 12:26 |
| [mbm] | if that fails it actually turns off | 12:26 |
| [mbm] | kulve: power button should bring it back to where you left it | 12:27 |
| [mbm] | spaetz: http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh | 12:27 |
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| kulve | [mbm]: so it seems | 12:27 |
| kulve | it just "unblanked" | 12:27 |
| [mbm] | kulve: dmesg show VMMC? | 12:28 |
| kulve | nice, I got the whole suspend.sh output, since my ssh didn't timeout yet.. | 12:29 |
| [mbm] | " Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 0 mV" | 12:29 |
| [mbm] | bbiab. | 12:29 |
| kulve | 94576.828216] menelaus: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 0 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0x30) | 12:30 |
| kulve | [94576.843902] menelaus: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 0 mV (reg 0x07, val 0x01) | 12:30 |
| kulve | [94599.448608] BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! | 12:30 |
| kulve | [94599.448638] [<c00284b0>] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [<c0071618>] (softlockup_tick+0x9c/0xc0) | 12:30 |
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| [mbm] | kulve: yeah, same stuff I see here. | 12:45 |
| [mbm] | kernel stuff needs to be cleaned up, but otherwise seems to be working | 12:46 |
| [mbm] | be interesting to look at the current draw from the battery and see how close suspend mode is to actually turning it off | 12:47 |
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| Unique311 | any news on gnupaint800? | 15:49 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 16:02 |
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| hp | Bluetooth connection to a PC (really: Linux and Bluez, specifically Fedora) using DUN i.e. "just as with a cell phone", is that of general interest? Main point is that no tinkering (as with PAN) is be needed on the N800, though several steps needed on the PC. | 16:39 |
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| kkito | do you know if there are any gdb and strace package for the n800? | 17:44 |
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| k-way | kkito: yes there are | 17:51 |
| k-way | http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 17:52 |
| k-way | gdb is in there, I don't know how weel it works. | 17:53 |
| k-way | kkito: are you running from flash? | 17:53 |
| ptman | aren't those tools best run in the SDK | 17:59 |
| k-way | ptman: sometimes , but not always | 18:00 |
| k-way | I use the sdk less and less, I try to work on the deskopt and use sb for cross compiling | 18:00 |
| ptman | I meant sb of course with the SDK | 18:01 |
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| kkito | k-way, thank you, yes i am running from flash | 18:09 |
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| kender | hi | 18:38 |
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| derf | Goddamn, bricked the thing again. | 20:11 |
| derf | This is starting to get annoying. | 20:11 |
| kender | hehehe | 20:12 |
| derf | I mean, I didn't even do anything to it. | 20:12 |
| kender | derf, make a rescue sd partition | 20:13 |
| kender | derf, maybe update the system? | 20:13 |
| derf | Update to what? | 20:13 |
| derf | The backup program doesn't save any of the useful stuff (like /etc, /usr, etc.) | 20:13 |
| kender | I mean, you briked your device because you updated the system | 20:13 |
| kender | yeah, that's true | 20:14 |
| derf | But I didn't update the system. | 20:14 |
| kender | ok | 20:14 |
| derf | I just rebooted because the menus stopped working properly and it had become really, really, slow. | 20:14 |
| derf | And it didn't come back up. | 20:15 |
| kender | maybe the jffs2 trash collector is doing something strage | 20:16 |
| derf | I'd also been having I/O errors on mmc1, but I took that out. | 20:17 |
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| k-way | derf: do you happens to have canola and media streamer installed | 21:09 |
| derf | k-way: No. | 21:09 |
| derf | Why? | 21:09 |
| k-way | because they scan the media, | 21:10 |
| derf | Ugh. | 21:10 |
| derf | I mean, there was nothing on them, except some .debs. | 21:11 |
| derf | But those .debs kept disappearing. | 21:11 |
| derf | And eventually the whole directory they were in vanished. | 21:11 |
| derf | My favorite was the period of time in which I could ls mmc1, and it would show up empty, and then I could cd into debs, and it would be there. | 21:12 |
| k-way | I sometimes had to remove the battery but make the thing working again | 21:12 |
| derf | Yes, that didn't work. | 21:13 |
| derf | I had to re-flash. | 21:13 |
| hefner | is there some magic I must do to make the dropbear client work? Whenever I try to connect anywhere, it gives a warning about the random source then hangs forever. | 21:17 |
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| themikester61 | Has anyone happened to have heard any news lately regarding the usage of bluetooth headsets with the 770? | 21:22 |
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| gl33b0rg | not i | 21:29 |
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| Unique311 | hello | 21:37 |
| florian | hi all | 21:40 |
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| Snelhest | anyone here that are developing canola? | 21:55 |
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| superbia | something I havn't managed to figure out yet is why isn't there a "large" distro for the n800 when I find alot of armel compiled packages for diffrent distros? | 22:01 |
| superbia | is it some installer problem or am I missing something? | 22:01 |
| k-way | superbia: I think that ionly command line programs make sence, there are no tabled based linux distro's around | 22:03 |
| k-way | not the same thing :) | 22:03 |
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| k-way | but there was a post about installing debian arm in a chroot a last week check jaffa's blog | 22:04 |
| k-way | I uses vnc to popup the keyboard when required this is apparently on of the bigest problems | 22:04 |
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| superbia | hmm okay | 22:06 |
| superbia | yeah... I read about the chroot thingie... my N800 has gotten the cute idea that reboot loop is the shit now... so I need to flash it anyhow... would have loved to try something freaky or something... I don't get well along with this hildon thingie and would love to have just a regular old X interface... like windowmaker or fluxbox hehe | 22:07 |
| k-way | I would like mezzo :) | 22:08 |
| superbia | mezzo? :D | 22:08 |
| k-way | or enligthemen embeded eem | 22:09 |
| superbia | wow funky :D | 22:09 |
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| superbia | yeah... it's insane that they have E17 with entrance login on ipaq and we can't even get shitty gdm :P | 22:10 |
| k-way | http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=644&slide=4&title=symphony%2Bos%2B2006-05%2Bbeta%2Bscreenshots | 22:10 |
| superbia | looks nice I must say :) | 22:11 |
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| k-way | it's just based on xul/firefox | 22:11 |
| superbia | heh :) | 22:12 |
| k-way | it's a bit a mix of the maemo "one window" at a time + active borders | 22:12 |
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| hefner | that's totally unreadable | 22:13 |
| superbia | huh? | 22:14 |
| hefner | black on dark blue? | 22:14 |
| superbia | works ^^ | 22:14 |
| superbia | to bad the onscreen desktop sucks so bad in windowmaker... otherwise I would make that standard and always use that | 22:16 |
| k-way | i use wmii or kde | 22:16 |
| superbia | keyboard not desktop... bah.. .still hungover I think... :S | 22:16 |
| superbia | on your internet tablet? | 22:17 |
| k-way | no :) | 22:17 |
| superbia | I mean for my tablet ofc :D I use kde too... starting to experiment with xfce4 but I managed to frall up the localization of my system | 22:18 |
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| elshadii | I'm trying to install xterm on an N800, when I execute xterm after installation it starts then immediately exits is this a place I can get help? | 22:38 |
| derf | It is, but I don't know how to help you. | 22:39 |
| derf | Of the many problems I've had, that's not one of them. | 22:39 |
| BrianRice | elshadii: do you have busybox installed? (dunno if it's standard, but a missing shell might mess with xterm) | 22:43 |
| elshadii | ok that's a good question, I am looking | 22:46 |
| elshadii | it is not on the installed list or on the list of installable apps | 22:54 |
| elshadii | do you know where I can get a package for the N800 | 22:55 |
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| ptman | There has to be a shell on the N800 or it won't even boot | 23:04 |
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| derf | Weird. I now appear be to limited to 3 console sessions. | 23:55 |
| derf | I can't open up anymore ssh sessions or xterm tabs. | 23:55 |
| derf | (but if I close one, I can open up one of the other) | 23:56 |
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