IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-03-01

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maddlerdamn... my scooter was stolen! :|00:18
chibiAcydthat sucks.00:19
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maddlerchibiAcyd: yep...00:20
maddlerif that was my laptop or my N800 would have been worse. anyway...00:21
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chibiAcydyeah. some goon stole my laptop last year, i guess he didn't realize to think that someone in network security would have their laptop phone home and rigged with a gps transponder00:23
chibiAcydso luckily i had it back in a few hours00:24
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maddlernever considered about that GPS stuff...00:24
maddlerhmmm... should find a way to put a GPS somewhere inside...00:25
maddlermaybe replacing battery... lol!00:25
Darknessson a nokia 770, can you put wifi in ad-hoc mode?00:26
chibiAcydyou can connect to ad-hoc systems00:26
chibiAcydif you install the wireless tools you can probably set it in ad-hoc via xterm00:27
Darknessswireless tools?00:28
maddlerDarknesss: dunno... never tried... I'd say yes btw...00:28
Darknesssit would be nice if I can make it broadcast an ssid or something00:28
Darknesssto detect it's presence00:29
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DarknessschibiAcyd, do you have a link to the wireless tools?00:29
chibiAcydthe wireless tools package is available in the maemo apps listing00:30
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Darknesssfound it, thanks00:32
chibiAcydno problem00:32
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Darknesssat least I think :)00:36
Darknessshmm, no install file00:36
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chibiAcydshould be a deb for it in there00:41
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Darknesssfound a deb here:
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maddlerdum deee daa...00:45
* maddler drinks warm beer...00:45
maddlerno... not a good day... :)00:45
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chibiAcydonly dark beers are good warm00:46
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maddlerand heineken != dark beer!00:47
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chibiAcydman, now i want a twelver of sunshine00:47
maddlerwhat's that?00:48
chibiAcydspring seasonal from new belgium brewing co00:49
maddlersounds nice...00:49
DarknessschibiAcyd, you belgian?00:50
chibiAcydit's got a nice citrus accent to it00:50
maddlerchibiAcyd: send me some as soon as you get some! :D00:51
chibiAcydnah, i'm welsh/american00:51
maddlerchibiAcyd: well nobody is perfect... :)00:51
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maddlerthanks god I'm italian...00:53
maddlerwell... beside an italian just stolen my scooter... :D00:53
Taknow if only you were a plumber...00:53
maddlerfeel free to call me Mario! :D00:54
chibiAcydby skooter do you mean vespa or go-ped?00:54
b0unc3anvedi un'italiano :)00:54
maddlersomething like a vespa...00:54
maddlerhehehehe... ciao paisa`! :D00:55
chibiAcydcause if it was a go-ped that would be too nerdy :p00:55
maddlerb0unc3: there are a few in here... :)00:55
maddlerhehehe... not that I'm not a nerd! :D00:55
maddlertechno-nerds will rule the world, sooner or later!00:55
b0unc3maddler: good00:55
maddlerb0unc3: where are you from?00:56
b0unc3maddler: Sicily , and you ?00:56
chibiAcydthe geek shall inherit the earth00:56
maddlerb0unc3: rome00:59
maddlerchibiAcyd: we will... we will...00:59
maddleronly the geek will sirvive! :D00:59
chibiAcydcause we will make the technology01:00
shackantroppi Taliani qui dentro01:03
maddlershackan: you could aways leave... ;)01:03
shackaneh, being italian is not my fault01:04
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maddlerno... but being here is your choice... :)01:04
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maddlershackan: where from?01:20
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chibiAcydwow i'm lagging01:25
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maddlerI'm thinking about suicide...01:29
maddlerFestival di Sanremo after a stolen scooter is TOO much!01:30
shackanmaddler, welcome to italy01:30
chibiAcydgo steal your scooter back01:30
maddlershackan: damn it! :D01:30
shackanyeah, and shoot that bastard in the back01:30
maddlerchibiAcyd: if I knew where it is... :)01:31
shackantsk, no gps on your scooter?01:31
chibiAcydfind some pompous american tourist, and steal their rental01:31
maddlerwell... you know...riches got to be shared... :)01:32
maddlerchibiAcyd: hahahaha... rented scooter are _dangerous_!01:32
maddlerI rented one some time ago... and last time that scooter saw maintenance was the day it left concessionary...01:33
disqscooters are really cute in italy01:33
disqi was in milano once there was this huge scooter parking spot01:34
shackanwrong, girls are really cute in italy01:34
chibiAcydbah, just got a call to update a business directory01:34
maddlerdisq: and you should see here in rome...01:34
maddlerdisq: 10 times more...01:34
shackanmaddler, you really don't appear too worried for just having had your scooter stolen01:35
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maddlershackan: what should I do?01:36
maddlerI haven't it anymore...01:36
maddlershackan: and... ?01:36
shackansmash something01:36
maddlerwill they bring it to me? I don't thing so...01:36
maddlersame... I'll just have something broken...01:36
maddlerscreaming and shouting and smashing stuff... won't give my scooter back...01:37
maddlerso... relax... drink a beer... and be happy!01:37
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maddlerok... the beer wasn't cold enough... :)01:41
shackanman, you're definitely not italian01:41
maddlerhehehe... maybe in one of my previou lifes...01:42
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maddlerok... /me feels better :)01:49
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disqall this beer talk. let me fetch a glass of scotch01:51
disqmmm that's better01:53
maddlerdisq: hehehe... I have som homemade cherry...01:54
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disq<3 glenmorangie (or 3>?) (this is starting to look like a regexp)01:55
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shackanI have to wake up early tomorrow, bye lushers :P01:57
disqnight :)01:58
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maddlershackan: bye shackan01:58
shackanbye maddy01:58
b0unc3shackan: bye bye01:58
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maddlerdum deee daaa...02:00
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disqi'll try out kmplayer02:06
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disqmm not there yet02:08
* maddler is encoding Goldmember :)02:10
maddler2X4GB SDs is nice... :D02:10
mazzenhas anyone experience with connecting the web with the 770 and *eplus*? i can send, but dont receive anything. :-(02:12
chibiAcydi ony have 2x 1gb but i got them for $12USD02:14
maddlerbo bad... :)02:15
maddlerhere 30E for 4GD02:15
chibiAcydit's about the same here02:16
* nomis bids 25.90 EUR.02:17
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nomisAre 4GB supported by the N800? How much hackery is necessary?02:18
maddlernomis: nothing...02:18
maddlerI simplu inserted them :)02:18
nomisheh, cool.02:18
maddlerby the way, I'm not sure that all 4GB are working out of the box...02:18
chibiAcydthey enabled it in the firmware didn't they?02:19
soulblazeit depends on what tech the 4gb sd card is using02:19
maddlerchibiAcyd: yes... even if only 2GB cards are officially supported...02:19
nomissoulblaze: in what sense?02:19
maddlersoulblaze: SDHC are not working...02:19
soulblazeif it's using the tech that had a theoretical max of 2gb, then it works fine..if it uses the newer (sdhc?) you need to find a flash image for it02:19
s-ndh-cis it possibleto run scratchbox *BSD?02:20
maddlerSDHC require an ad-hoc kernel...02:20
maddlers-ndh-c: I think so...02:20
b0unc3s-ndh-c: no...02:20
chibiAcydi'm glad they added something other than rsmmc02:20
maddlerchibiAcyd: yep... SD are faster...02:20
maddlerI can see the difference...02:20
chibiAcydand larger capacity02:21
maddleryep... that's not bad either...02:21
chibiAcydi would love to have a bga soldering arm02:21
chibiAcydwould be nice to be able to add more onboard memory02:22
s-ndh-ci guess i will try running scratchbox in a xen linux guest within netbsd02:25
s-ndh-chope that works02:25
maddlerchibiAcyd: hehehehe02:25
b0unc3s-ndh-c: maybe if you 'emulate' linux ...02:26
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b0unc3why if I put an url icon in the .desktop of a cp plugin , it dosen't work ?02:31
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maddlerno idea...02:39
maddlertime to hit the bed...02:43
b0unc3me too02:44
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omegaso, a particularly argumentative person in #dbus tells me that Maemo D-Bus doesn't support introspection, and the python bindings will not function *without* introspection, therefore the bindings are worthless02:46
omegaanyone know if this is true, and if so, why on earth the bindings are shipped?02:47
chibiAcydi remember reading something about the dbus being the reason bt headsets don't work02:48
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neostriderhello folks03:07
neostriderat last!
chibiAcydwhats this?03:08
neostridermy game engine =-D03:08
neostriderrunning on 77003:08
neostridernot as blazing fast as Doom for maemo, but works03:08
neostriderit tooks a good work to make it run03:09
neostriderand two years creating it from scratch03:09
neostriderwell...there is leaving now03:11
Pioneostrider, that little load average graph applet in your panel03:11
neostriderlots of work to be done03:11
Piowhat's that called, i was trying to remember what that is the other night03:11
Pioengine looks good btw :)03:11
neostriderlet me check it for you03:11
neostriderthanks =-D03:11
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Piolookin better05:01
Takhow's the performance ?05:02
Pioactually, great05:03
Pioits very smooth so far05:03
Pioi dont have the keys hooked into it so its not yet really playable so its hard to tell if i can use the 'smooth scroll' option05:06
Pioits running with half-size tiles too, i want to get it working with the full size ones..05:07
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OceanCan someone tell me wat does this error means > sbrsh server: Can't mount to point: /home/<username>/<host ip>-<target>/05:27
Oceani'm trying to test my Sbrsh but the server mount was denied..05:27
Oceanwhen i go logged into my device I see a <host ip>-<target> created on my /home/<username> dir already05:28
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mikemorrisonis there a header file with stock icons defined for hildon-ui?06:20
mikemorrisoni'm trying to port my app and i'm having some trouble figuring out how to show the appropriate icons for file types and directories06:21
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mikemorrisongnome_icon_lookup is not available and even gnome_vfs_volume_get_icon returns an icon that is not available06:23
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chibiAcydthey are closing all the compusas where i live =/07:09
jacquesthey should close the one by me - it's pathetic07:10
jacquesnobody is ever there, staff totally apathetic, prices suck compared to Fry's07:10
jacquesI've wondered for over a year how they could stay open07:11
jacquesfirst thing I bought at compusa in like four years was my N800 (because Fry's didn't have them yet)07:12
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jacquesheh, it looks like they *are* closing the one by me07:28
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Takwhere does it say which ones are closing ?07:30
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jacquesTak, it doesn't, but there is a list of stores which are remaining open:
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Takheh, mine is staying open08:02
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soulblaze_well/ two that I frequent08:07
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tigerthuomenta | morning08:15
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Takbuenos dias | morning :-P08:39
acydlordi think i'm gonna go pour out some liquor for compusa08:41
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keesjinz has blown the cover of a few nokians. i guess that's good09:17
mikemorrisonanyone know why i'd have a border on the left, right and bottom of my app when it's fullscreen on the n800?09:26
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inzkeesj, whaat?09:54
konttoriinz: Dude, what have you done.... Mark my words. Nothing good will come from blowing peoples covers.... shame on you .... ;) Seriously, what's up?10:01
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JaffaMorning, all10:32
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mk8Hi to all ...10:37
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TinY_Applecan someone help me with this problem? my sbrsh server mount return me Permission denied10:39
inzkonttori, if by "blowin cover" he means that I suggested using apt-cache show <packagename> to get package's maintainer...10:40
TinY_Apple>sbrsh server: Can't mounst to point10:40
TinY_AppleI've check my device.. a dir <host_ip-target> is created10:41
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konttoriinz: Ahh.. I see ;)10:53
konttoriBy the way, has anyone tried making a dpkg installer package on os x?10:53
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Jaffakonttori: if you install fink you've got dpkg directly11:20
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hrwwhere is maemo bugtracker?11:59
hrwon I do not see any11:59
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hrwis there a way to safely reboot n770?12:04
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mazzenwhats against switching off and on?12:05
greentuxsomebody knows how 770 checks if slider closed? seems tricky ;)12:06
hrwgreentux: magnet in cover12:06
greentuxhrw:  assumed that... ok. fine12:07
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hrwmazzen: I prefer to have filesystems synced before reboot12:07
hrwgreentux: atleast thats what guys from OE told me12:07
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mazzendoes anyone has experience with eplus, wap and n770? i can connect, get an ip, but it sends only 360 bytes... i dont receive anything :(12:09
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maddlergooooooooooodmorning maemo!12:13
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hrwai_nw_installing and ai_nw_installing.. ai_ap_application_installer lack better progress informations.. (more detailed)12:15
s-ndh-cMDK: is it ok if i use some information form your wiki entry about mono on the n770/n800 and link to your tars for a german howto/Faq?12:16
MDKs-ndh-c: sure12:17
hrwuf.. ai_ni_install_successful12:17
hrwMDK: hi12:17
hrwecdgbdinfomationnoteok - those messages roxx12:17
hrwlets see does after reboot n770 will behave or not12:19
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hrwbug in it2007 (on 770) should be reported as n800 or n770 one?12:41
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tkohrw, in the garage project12:44
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maddler/wg 1712:59
ptmanwhat do I need to create an application entry in the application catalog? the "Create Maemo Application" menu entry is grayed out13:05
bergieptman: go to the appropriate application category13:07
ptmanwhere do you folks think a hildonized ssh-askpass should live?13:08
ptmanprobably security13:08
ptmanthanks, there it is then13:10
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konttoriJaffa: Thanks. Installed it. Should help quite a bit. Don't have the time to make the package anymore though. Leaving to Mauritius tomorrow and quite a bit of work to be done today. If I'm lucky, I'll release a snapshot of the player today. But probably on the 12 th or the 13th when I'm back again.14:17
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lardmanhmm, I compiled and tried to run Tiemu on the n800 and all I get is a black screen and lots of waiting around14:31
lardmanah ha, looks like this might be the issue:
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* mgedmin wants faster scrolling in the thumb-sized menus14:52
mgedminwhat are the changes in osso-xterm 0.13.mh21bora1?14:53
inzmgedmin, removed tooltips from tabs14:54
* mgedmin ports wget to bora14:54
mgedminthanks, inz14:54
mgedminany plans for fixing the theming bugs?14:55
mgedmin(terminal tabs are half-themed, half-not)14:55
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mgedminI'm not expressing myself clearly14:56
inzmgedmin, no plans currently14:56
hrwmgedmin: port or build?14:57
mgedminmore like build than port14:57
mgedminbut "port" sounds much cooler ;)14:57
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hrwmgedmin: ;D15:00
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lardmanAny c++ gurus about?17:34
hrwdepend on level of guruness17:35
lardmandoesn't need to much, don't want to tax you this late in the week ;)17:36
lardmantoo much even17:36
hrwthen ask?17:36
lardmanWhen one compares strings using std::operator<, are the two arguments addresses of string structures of some or other type?17:37
lardmanThat's my reading of the header anyway: basic_string.h17:37
hrwif std::string a < std::string b moment?17:37
lardmandunno, need to look and see where it's called from17:38
lardmanhrw: Rather than my trying to type it all, take a look here at my backtrace(s):
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hrwno idea17:42
lardmanI think it's choking on an address of 0x1017:44
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lardmanwhich sounds suspiciously small17:44
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zeenixhey behdad!18:01
behdadhi zeenix18:01
zeenixbehdad: i met a guy at FOSDEM which had some farsi string on his shirt which he claimed was written by you.18:01
behdadzeenix: was he Vincent Untz?18:02
zeenixbehdad: i could only translate three words but i can only remember one: mehtab (sun)18:02
behdadmahtab is the moonlight of a full moon18:02
zeenixbehdad: could be! didn't ask his name :)18:02
zeenixbehdad: or was it aftab18:02
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behdadzeenix: was he moving around taking photos of people with a I heart GNOME paper?18:03
behdadman, I wish I could make it to FOSDEM.  everybody had so much fun18:03
zeenixi dont remember seeing him doing anything like that18:03
behdadzeenix: Mirco!18:04
zeenixbehdad: yup yup! a least you missed lots of nice food, beer and chocholate :)18:04
behdadthe cairo bling guy18:04
behdadso he made a shirt out of his cairo magic18:04
zeenixanyways! what was the complete string?18:05
kkitozeenix, chocholate?18:05
zeenixkkito: chocolate18:06
zeenixkkito: i am not good at spellings18:06
kkitoah :P i dont know if you know what "chocho" means in spanish18:08
behdadzeenix: he thought I translated the phrase.  I didn't!18:09
zeenixwhich phrase?18:12
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bipolarare any of the openedhand devs here?18:19
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hrwbipolar: I'm working with them, but I'm not OH dev.18:34
bipolarhrw: ahh. hiya!18:34
bipolarhrw: I'm wondering if the work on e-eds allows the use of the groupdav plugin.18:34
bipolarhrw: since our groupware server does groupdav, it would be awesome to have it on the handheld :)18:35
hrwno idea18:35
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hrwMDK: alive?18:35
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kkitooh, dbus 1.0.2 doesnt run in arm scratchbox :(18:42
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kkitoi build kdelibs4 and kdepim4 yesterday... i dont know if it will run on the n800 :P18:47
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bipolarkkito: very cool :)18:51
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kkitobipolar, :)18:53
bipolarkkito: can I try it out :D18:53
hrwkde and n7700?18:53
bipolarI take it that keyboard input won't work...18:53
bipolarI've got an 80018:54
bipolarhrw: yea :)18:54
bipolarhrw: kkito is porting qt418:54
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kkitobipolar, i think that it is not possible to install kdelib ons the n800, only the libkhtml is more than 35 megas19:29
bipolarkkito: yeah.. thats huge. But I have my root moved to a 2 gig SD card :)19:29
hrwbipolar: think also about needed ram19:30
kkitobipolar, but its is possible to format the sdcard with ext3 ?19:30
bipolarkkito: yep19:30
kkitooh, then i must to do it....19:30
bipolarkkito: i also have a swap partition on it ;)19:30
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bipolarkkito: just use fdisk on it like any other hard drive. I suguest doing it on the pc as the busybox version of fdisk sucks19:31
bipolarhrw: yeah.. there's only one way to find out though :)19:31
hrwbipolar: yep.19:32
hrwbipolar: are there any docs aout how to replace maemo with something other?19:33
bipolarhrw: I havn't seen any... but it can't be THAT hard...19:33
bipolarBut really, the goal would be to get the kde apps on it, not to really run full kde on it.19:34
bipolarwell, who knows19:34
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kkitoif we can run kdelibs ok, we can do a kmaemo :P19:36
bipolarthats great...19:36
shackanplease don't!19:36
bipolarsomeone set that as part of the topic!19:36
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zulladeveloper frustration: the things that itch me on the N800 are way too big to scratch.20:00
* zulla wishes he was a better low-level developer...20:01
hrwzulla: things are annoy me on 770 are...20:01
zullahrw: mostly: slow video playback20:02
zullahrw: that hardware should be able to play DVD video, reading the specs.20:02
hrwzulla: screen space wasting, lack of personalizations20:03
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keesjkkito: hmm yes 32 mb is big foryet an  other toolkit20:04
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zullahrw: also, I miss an alternative browser. but porting, say, gtk+webcore, epiphany (or even firefox - it has the CPU and RAM) to Maemo isn't something you do over a weekend...20:05
kkitokeesj, 32 imb s libkhtml20:05
keesjstripeded and thumbed, that must also eat memory20:06
hrwzulla: port or build?20:06
zullahrw: port. people claim that hildonizing a Gnome app is easy to do, but that's what I mean with developer frustration: I doubt that it's easy for an app like epiphany...20:08
zullahrw: ...or firefox.20:08
hrwzulla: truely speaking I would like to get rid of hildon20:08
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zullahrw: Then port Opie. "Should be easy."20:09
hrwzulla: opie? I want apps not old stuff20:10
hrwzulla: and someone already got opie running on 77020:10
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hrwzulla: I think rather about something more pda related but it is problem for 770/n800 as it will be degradation of functionality20:11
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zullahrw: what's your alternative to Hildon/Maemo? So far, I don't see many.20:12
_RISC_hi all20:12
_RISC_excuse me in advance for my bad english20:12
_RISC_i have one question20:12
_RISC_i try to install scratchbox on fedora 620:12
_RISC_with the binary image20:13
_RISC_i follow the istruction istallation in scratchbox.org20:13
_RISC_after istallationstep20:13
hrwzulla: gpe is going into better shape then it was20:14
_RISC_when i try to connect20:14
_RISC_i have the follow20:14
hrwzulla: but still no good gui for X11 systems20:14
zullahrw: gpe? that site seems just as dead. Last news item one year ago, dead links...20:15
_RISC_ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up!20:15
_RISC_but i have follow the istallation istructions20:15
keesj_RISC_: try runnint /scratcbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start as root20:15
* zulla looked at http://gpe.handhelds.org20:16
hrwzulla: is about year old but admins refuse to take it down20:16
keesjzulla eem?20:16
_RISC_thanks keesj20:16
* florian shoots handhelds.org20:16
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_RISC_ /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start Starting Scratchbox: binfmt_misc, mount.20:17
_RISC_now i must start login?20:17
_RISC_now when i start login i have a new error:20:18
_RISC_ERROR: '/opt/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid' is not suid ROOT.20:18
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keesjthe canola guys also mentioned that they wanted to start using evas20:20
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_RISC_keesj: i try to start sbox_ctl but now i have a new error20:23
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_RISC_neverone have istalled scratchbox on fedora core?20:26
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bergiehey, anyone know where I can find gconf for pymaemo?20:31
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bergieThe name com.plazes.maemoplazer was not provided by any .service files21:03
bergiethough I'm quite sure it is21:03
bergie# cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.plazes.maemoplazer.service21:04
bergie[D-BUS Service]21:04
bergieaha, fixed21:06
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disqi'll try to compile firefox1.5 on armel on the n80021:20
disq<3 chroot21:21
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mgedminthat will be something interesting to see21:23
disqsomebody actually did that and posted screenshots21:24
* mgedmin checks firefox memory usage on the desktop: currently 198.1 megs of virtual memory (89.6 megs RSS)21:24
disqbut i'm guessing he's using the arm build. which i couldn't get to run21:24
mgedminoh? that was not firefox though remote X?21:24
disqit was thru X, but a second X on the n80021:24
disqi actually have that set up21:24
disqthere's a debian-armel root image which you extract to mmc and then set up a little chroot21:25
_RISC_ chmod u+s /opt/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid21:30
_RISC_ihave resolved with  chmod u+s /opt/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid21:30
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mazzendoes the opera browser on the nokia 770 has problem with proxy servers?22:49
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keesj so who want's to test drive xmoto 0.2.5 on the n800?(I have22:51
keesj               about 10 minutes)22:51
keesjalright :)22:54
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etrunkokeesj: i do23:12
keesjthe best thing would be to add my repository temporarely and run apt-get update apt-get install xmoto23:15
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keesj#maemo:name mud23:16
keesjdeb bora testing23:16
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Piogot any screens?23:19
keesjI have a movie!23:19
keesjhere are some old screens and this is the video
Piowhat is that profiler you are running in that one screenshot?23:23
keesjit rulez bigtime23:24
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user__hi all23:25
etrunkokeesj: where is libode0 package?23:25
keesjnot in there?23:27
user__one quick question.  I'm trying to launch a url rom gaim, but cannot figure out the syntax for /usr/bin/browser   I am running 2.2006.51-6...anybody know the correct way to open opera with a given url?23:27
etrunkokeesj: nop23:28
etrunkouser__: you need a D-Bus call23:29
keesjit is there but perhaps I did something wrong23:29
keesj repository_it2007/libode0-dev_0.5-5_armel.deb23:30
etrunkokeesj: its libode0c2 not libode023:30
etrunkono libode0 there23:31
keesjthanks I see that both libode0c2 and libode0 are there23:31
etrunkothe package can be there, but it is not in the list23:31
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keesjetrunko: thank I will first remove the files and generate libode again.23:35
user__oh man, so you can't call the url from the command line?23:36
keesjit is very hard to test such thing on a device used to developer the program23:36
Takyou can make a dbus call from the command line, can't you?23:37
user__I have no idea23:37
user__i know osso-xterm advanced from allows you to open a url from the menu23:39
etrunkouser__: steal their code then23:39
user__ok, i'll have to check it out23:40
sp3000user__: dbus-monitor and launch an url from some other app23:40
user__i'm not a developer at all, but i can read the source code right?23:40
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sp3000user__: ...which gives you dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser string:
Takxchat launches displayed urls as well23:44
keesjetrunko: I will not be able to fix the problem right now :( may I ask you to test an oter time?23:46
keesjthanks for testing23:46
user__you rule, that workedperfectly!23:47
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user__thanks sp3000, i can confirm that works perfectly in gaim on the N80023:52
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etrunkokeesj: sure23:52
etrunkoanyway, i have to go now23:53
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kkito:) i get kmail running on the n800 ;)23:59
kkitowell time ti eat ti eat simething23:59

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