| lle2 | konttori: are you doing all that on the target, inside sb or on your host? | 00:00 |
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| konttori | all in target. well, coding in osx, then move file to target, retest | 00:01 |
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| konttori | cool. thanks Tak. it's working. | 00:02 |
| Tak | cool | 00:03 |
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| konttori | ok, still doesn't work from the desktop entry, but this is improvement already. | 00:05 |
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| Tak | pastebin your .desktop ? | 00:07 |
| konttori | umm.. how do I use pastebin? | 00:08 |
| Tak | http://rafb.net/paste/ | 00:08 |
| konttori | done | 00:09 |
| konttori | http://rafb.net/p/V0DYO558.html | 00:09 |
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| konttori | seems like there might be unnecessary white spaces in the file | 00:10 |
| konttori | those might affect it. | 00:10 |
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| konttori | ahh.. now it seems to be opening. | 00:12 |
| Tak | I seem to recall .desktop files can be ws-sensitive | 00:13 |
| konttori | It opens for a sec and then falls down | 00:13 |
| konttori | I removed the white spaces and that helped | 00:13 |
| konttori | But now it opens and immediately crashes. | 00:13 |
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| konttori | service looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/mqFzuV49.html | 00:15 |
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| Tak | hmm - your service line in .desktop doesn't match the name in the service file | 00:16 |
| konttori | should that have com.nokia.MediaCenter as well? | 00:16 |
| omega | does anyone have any example code showing Python access to osso-ic? AFAICT, the python osso bindings simply left that part out... | 00:17 |
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| Tak | konttori: I'm not 100% sure, but I think so | 00:19 |
| Tak | omega: they may be unimplemented - I think the python bindings aren't 100% complete | 00:20 |
| omega | there's a new release out, gonna install that and see | 00:20 |
| omega | but I should be able to manipulate the IC entirely via dbus, right? | 00:20 |
| konttori | ok, I tried with the com.nokia model, but no luck. | 00:21 |
| konttori | thanks anyway Tak, I'm a bit dixxy already, so I'll head to bed and fix it tomorrow. | 00:21 |
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| * Tak shrugs | 00:24 | |
| Tak | I haven't messed with IC | 00:24 |
| omega | hmm, I'd install python2.5, except it doesn't show up anywhere in the apt list even after following the instructions on the page... | 00:25 |
| omega | the packages doesn't even seem to exist in the repository ;-( | 00:27 |
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| omega | hrm, there's what's effectively a hidden link to an alternate set of instructions. | 00:28 |
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| Tak | fantastic | 00:31 |
| omega | still no hint of IC bindings | 00:32 |
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| Tak | awesome - pixel doubling will be added in the next n800 firmware | 00:50 |
| Tak | :-D | 00:50 |
| glas5 | nice | 00:51 |
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| hap | anyone using gaim on the n800 ? | 01:55 |
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| maddler | hap: installed it but never really used it actually | 02:04 |
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| hap | ok | 02:15 |
| hap | like everything on the n800 ? ;) | 02:15 |
| maddler | sorry, can't get it... | 02:19 |
| hap | you install things, but using it ... | 02:21 |
| hap | I played with the blackberry from a friend, damned it's great to get emails. | 02:22 |
| hap | keyboard is nice. | 02:22 |
| maddler | hap: E61 is a lot better IMHO... | 02:22 |
| maddler | btw... no... I install things and use them on N800... | 02:22 |
| maddler | simply I feel comfortable enough with default chat app... | 02:22 |
| hap | maddler: do you ? I just use the web browser sometimes, but it crashes going on gmail ... :( | 02:22 |
| hap | maddler: chat app ? typing on keyboard is slow, i think | 02:23 |
| maddler | web browser works fine here... | 02:23 |
| maddler | hap: not as fast as on a real kbd... but comfortable enough when sitting on sofa... or while moving... | 02:23 |
| maddler | it took a while top got used to thumb board... | 02:24 |
| maddler | but now is's fine... | 02:24 |
| maddler | the only thing I really miss is a decent mail app... | 02:24 |
| hap | mine keeps looping | 02:25 |
| hap | maddler: yeah you bet... | 02:25 |
| maddler | hap: dunno... | 02:25 |
| hap | the one within the blackberry is great | 02:25 |
| hap | i didn't try the E61 | 02:25 |
| maddler | hap: I'm using Profimail on E61 and it works amazingly well... | 02:25 |
| maddler | I was/am more than happy tro pay (just) 22eur. for such a great app... | 02:26 |
| maddler | E61's keyboard is very comfortable... | 02:26 |
| maddler | that's why prefer to use it when I need to write/read emails when abroad... | 02:26 |
| maddler | yes, I'm a techno geek... ;) | 02:27 |
| hap | we all are | 02:28 |
| maddler | I bet... | 02:30 |
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| maddler | yawn... | 02:35 |
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| hap | is there a better mp3 player than the multimedia player? | 02:38 |
| hap | mine keeps crashing to play remote http:// mp3 | 02:38 |
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| b0unc3 | hap: mplayer | 02:42 |
| hap | hmm | 02:43 |
| hap | b0unc3: works much better, i have to type mplayer "http://...mp3", :( | 02:47 |
| hap | b0unc3: isn't there an UI interface, and being able to say opera to use that for .mp3s ? | 02:47 |
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| maddler | damn... just found that my PCMCIA->SD adapter is not working... | 03:22 |
| maddler | average transfer speed is less than 30KBps | 03:22 |
| maddler | moving a 400 megs avi takes hours... | 03:23 |
| maddler | oook... my movie is ready now... | 03:23 |
| maddler | time to hit the b{e|a}d!!! :) | 03:23 |
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| maddler | ** gone with the bind! | 03:23 |
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| korc | hello, somebody can answer me a question?... how do I become a root?... i can to follow the 770's howto: https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot? | 05:08 |
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| * Pio porting xevil >:) | 08:24 | |
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| jtokash | ok, so I bought a windows mobile 5 blackjack without researching how to tether it to my n800 and now I'm sad. | 08:24 |
| jtokash | WM5 doesn't have DUN anymore, so you have to use PAN and the instructions on how to use PAN on the N800 are extensive | 08:25 |
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| konttori | morning! | 08:44 |
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| Wille | hi. just got my n800 :) | 08:50 |
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| konttori | Wille: congrats | 09:07 |
| Wille | konttori: thanks. i like it so far | 09:08 |
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| konttori | Hey, I'm having problem with my desktop / service file. I've got a python app I'm building. Well, it's quite done and it works when I run it from console as /usr/bin/app . However, when I run it from menu, app opens for a sec and then closes. Any ideas on what gives? | 09:10 |
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| Wille_ | grr damn 3g connection dropped | 09:11 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: are you bussy? | 10:07 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | keesj: probably :-/ | 10:32 |
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| ptman | Whee! I got my N800! | 10:41 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 11:00 |
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| bedboi | is it possible to make a widget transparent? | 11:04 |
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| maddler | re | 11:43 |
| maddler | Jaffa: morning... | 11:44 |
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| konttori | Hey, I'm having problem with my desktop / service file. I've got a python app I'm building. Well, it's quite done and it works when I run it from console as /usr/bin/app . However, when I run it from menu, app opens for a sec and then closes. Any ideas on what gives? | 11:55 |
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| konttori | Hey, I'm having problem with my desktop / service file. I've got a python app I'm building. Well, it's quite done and it works when I run it from console as /usr/bin/app . However, when I run it from menu, app opens for a sec and then closes. Any help would be much appreciated. | 11:58 |
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| konttori | anyone? | 12:06 |
| timeless | eh? | 12:06 |
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| timeless | the network is splitting | 12:06 |
| konttori | odd. does that happen often? | 12:07 |
| konttori | Never seen that before | 12:07 |
| inz | konttori, you're using DBus auto-start to start your program, but it doesn't register the name it's started by | 12:07 |
| konttori | You mean the problem is in the service file? | 12:07 |
| inz | The problem is in your application | 12:08 |
| inz | Or if you don't want to use dbus, then the problem is in your .desktop file | 12:08 |
| inz | i.e. if you have X-Osso-Service in .desktop, then you must have corresponding .service file and your application must do dbus_bus_request_name (on system bus) for the same name | 12:10 |
| konttori | Ahh. so, the app must do a call as well. I see. | 12:10 |
| neal | inz: really? | 12:11 |
| konttori | Is it the osso context call? | 12:11 |
| neal | inz: I thought osso_initialize did that for you | 12:11 |
| inz | neal, it does | 12:11 |
| inz | neal, but _someone_ must call it | 12:11 |
| konttori | So, basically, for app named App, one should do: osso_c = osso.Context("App", "1.0.0", False) | 12:12 |
| konttori | Or did I misunderstand something? | 12:12 |
| inz | I dunno of the python bindings, but something like that, yes | 12:12 |
| inz | If you use the default com.nokia. -prefix | 12:13 |
| inz | If you don't, then include the full service name | 12:13 |
| konttori | exciting. I'll test it | 12:15 |
| konttori | no go. Is there a log file that could check to see what is the problem? | 12:17 |
| konttori | Desktop and service files here: http://pastebin.com/890532 | 12:17 |
| konttori | In case you could have a look if there is something obviously wrong | 12:17 |
| inz | patebin seems s | 12:18 |
| inz | l | 12:18 |
| inz | o | 12:18 |
| inz | w | 12:19 |
| konttori | ahh... I'm getting cannot initialize context error when I run from console. | 12:19 |
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| konttori | Is that supposed to happen? | 12:20 |
| konttori | I have: osso_c = osso.Context("MediaCenter", "1.0.0", False) | 12:20 |
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| konttori | inz: yeah, pastebin is apparently in a sorry state. | 12:24 |
| inz | Does it work if you use com.nokia.MediaCenter? | 12:24 |
| konttori | umm... what do you mean? | 12:24 |
| inz | In the osso.Context -call | 12:24 |
| konttori | use that where? In the desktop file? | 12:24 |
| konttori | ahh... I'll try | 12:24 |
| konttori | nope. same error | 12:26 |
| konttori | osso.OssoException: Cannot initialize context | 12:26 |
| inz | doh | 12:26 |
| konttori | Just checking, but is the com.nokia necessary? | 12:27 |
| konttori | and are capital letters allowed in the name? | 12:28 |
| inz | The com.nokia isn't necessary | 12:28 |
| inz | And captial letters should be allowed | 12:28 |
| inz | -typo | 12:28 |
| konttori | same thing even without the com.nokia prefix. | 12:31 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:33 |
| inz | konttori, you could try running dbus-monitor --system "type='signal'" and trying to start your program | 12:34 |
| maddler | aloha kahua! | 12:34 |
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| inz | konttori, or make that --session, session bus is initialized first | 12:35 |
| konttori | --session "type='signal'" didn't go through. | 12:36 |
| konttori | Just gave me usage instructions | 12:37 |
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| konttori | ups. | 12:37 |
| konttori | Sorry. It gave me: failed to open connection to session message bus: unable to determine the address of the message bus | 12:38 |
| konttori | ahh... that was related to running it in gainroot | 12:39 |
| konttori | when I run it as user, it seems to crash in loading of an image. | 12:41 |
| konttori | Progress! | 12:41 |
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| konttori | when I run the dbus-monitor with system or session (as user) and then try to open the app via the desktop, nothing appears in the console | 13:18 |
| konttori | I fixed the image related issue, which was nice, but now I'm back where I started. desktop icon isn't opening the app. | 13:20 |
| konttori | app works when executed as user from /usr/bin/ | 13:20 |
| konttori | I have the osso context line in the very beginning of the script | 13:20 |
| inz | Is is after gtk.init()? | 13:22 |
| inz | (is there such in python) | 13:22 |
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| konttori | nope, it's a pygame app. So, no gtk init | 13:22 |
| konttori | It's in the very first lines after imports | 13:23 |
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| inz | I'd suggest to drop the dbus stuff then | 13:23 |
| konttori | Umm... But how can I get the app to open from the desktop file? | 13:24 |
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| inz | konttori, remove the X-Osso-Service line from .desktop | 13:24 |
| konttori | Ahh | 13:24 |
| konttori | also osso-type ? | 13:25 |
| inz | I guess it doesn't matter | 13:25 |
| konttori | Great! Thank you ever so much! It's working!!! | 13:26 |
| konttori | Do I have to do something to get it to appear in the left side navigation? | 13:28 |
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| inz | I think it should appear, if your program's WMCLASS matches the binary-name in the .desktop | 13:32 |
| konttori | WMCLASS? | 13:34 |
| inz | Err, WM_CLASS actually, but anyway | 13:36 |
| inz | It's something that gtk by default sets to the binary name. | 13:36 |
| inz | But I really don't know what pygame does | 13:36 |
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| konttori | hey, thank you very much. It's much better situation already. I can live with this until I'm ready to release. At which time dpkg will be my next problem. Although, I am pretty sure I can get that working in osx. | 13:41 |
| * Jaffa wonders what konttori is working on | 13:42 | |
| konttori | I'm making a good music player. | 13:42 |
| konttori | Different look into what a music player should be than canola. | 13:43 |
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| konttori | Canola seems to be pretty much copying osx front row | 13:43 |
| konttori | And front row is not a good software imho. | 13:44 |
| konttori | at least as a music player. | 13:44 |
| osfameron | as long as the player doesn't crash a lot, and sorts tracks in alphabetical order of track tag, rather than alphabetical order of track *number*, like the default player (can you say "WTF?") it'll be an improvement | 13:45 |
| roope | Hm, interesting. | 13:47 |
| konttori | as I said, this will be quite different. It's in really nice shape already, but I'm kinda wondering at which point I should release it. Currently it seems to be e.g. problems playing music files that have both 1.1 mp3 id and 2.0 mp3id. And I need to add a caching layer for the id data so that not all files need to be polled on every opening of the player. | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | Screenshot? | 13:47 |
| roope | I think ... at least currently the UI is too heavy. It should be lighter. Give music more easily, with less steps. | 13:47 |
| konttori | After those are done... maybe I might consider releasing it. | 13:48 |
| roope | I don't want to manage my music with the device, just consume it. | 13:48 |
| osfameron | konttori: or you could release it now on alpha and get many eyes and hands to test it | 13:48 |
| konttori | roope: The emphasis has exactly been on that. Easier to use, less clutter. | 13:48 |
| roope | And no multiple views, if possible. :) | 13:48 |
| konttori | asfameron: the thing is that then I'd start getting bug reports that would take too much time. I'd rather release it when it's a bit more done. | 13:49 |
| osfameron | heh, fair enough | 13:49 |
| konttori | roope: it will have two views. But it will be natural to use. | 13:49 |
| osfameron | whatever you've got time for | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | konttori: you could release it and say "no bug reports please", or even just release it to #maemo ;-) | 13:51 |
| * konttori is considering that | 13:53 | |
| cosmo_ | does it use gstreamer? | 13:54 |
| konttori | yeah | 13:54 |
| cosmo_ | excellent, it'll play mods too | 13:54 |
| konttori | so, it doesn't consume too much power as it plays on dsp | 13:54 |
| konttori | Um... mods ... as in the amiga mods? Does gstreamer support those? | 13:55 |
| cosmo_ | there's a plugin available at garage | 13:55 |
| konttori | ahh... ok, I might consider adding support for mods at some point. ATM it'll be just mp3s | 13:55 |
| cosmo_ | you get a huge mod library on 1gb memory card | 13:56 |
| konttori | but then again it's easy to convert mods to mp3s | 13:56 |
| konttori | cosmo_ don't the mod files tend to take about the same space as mp3s? | 13:56 |
| cosmo_ | but shouldn't it support all gstreamer-supported formats? | 13:56 |
| konttori | cosmo_: it uses dsp call for playback (ATM) | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | konttori: a MOD only contains samples for instruments, they're *tiny* compared with MP3s | 13:57 |
| cosmo_ | nope, they typically take 5-500kb each | 13:57 |
| konttori | gnomevfssrc name=source ! dspmp3sink | 13:57 |
| * konttori stands corrected on mod issue | 13:57 | |
| cosmo_ | sid files are even smaller, but there's no plugin yet afaik | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, gstreamer can presumably report on the MIME types it supports? Passing that through a MIME type <-> file extension mapping is probably the best way of deciding which files to try and play | 13:58 |
| osfameron | mod? oh, like a midi thingy? | 13:58 |
| konttori | mods contain the samples as well | 13:58 |
| cosmo_ | it's more like midi than mp3 | 13:58 |
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| cosmo_ | but mods sound good.. midis sound terrible | 13:58 |
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| inz | cosmo, midi sound depends (highly) on your sw / hw | 13:59 |
| konttori | cosmo_ midis just need really good instruments. | 13:59 |
| cosmo_ | yeah i know, but with default soundcard midi sounds they usually sound terrible | 13:59 |
| konttori | for example the ones in garageband expansion packs are splendid in quality | 14:00 |
| konttori | (and consume tens of megs per instrument) | 14:00 |
| cosmo_ | mods (should) sound the same everywhere | 14:00 |
| inz | I have one mod (coke.mod) that I've only heard correctly with one player | 14:02 |
| inz | And I really don't remember which one it was, some DOS player anyway | 14:03 |
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| konttori | I had a few days ago a really like flashback on amiga game turrican 2. I then googled mods for it and was plesantly surprised that people had turned those into mp3s. Some spendid music in that game. Hmm... amiga emulator for maemo? ;) No, seriously, emulators don't make sense on a device without proper dpad. | 14:15 |
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| fish_ | stupid question but i never tried that: its not possible to charge the n770 over usb? | 14:35 |
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| bedboi | there is no simple way to write a transparent widget in maemo | 14:41 |
| bedboi | isn't it? | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | fish_: you can charge it over USB; however it won't charge through its USB port. You can get chargers which have modern Nokia tips which plug into USB ports, though. | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | bedboi: Check mweather? | 14:42 |
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| kkito | hello | 14:48 |
| kkito | do you know the svn url to download https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/ with a svn checkout ? | 14:48 |
| timeless | um, i don't recognize that | 14:49 |
| inz | kkito, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/ | 14:49 |
| kkito | thx inz :) | 14:49 |
| timeless | interesting | 14:50 |
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| fish_ | Jaffa: well.. i have to drive about 10 hours tomorrow so it would be nice to have my n770 with my gps | 14:54 |
| fish_ | and i have a 12v to usb power supply for my gps | 14:54 |
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| Jaffa | fish_: ah | 14:58 |
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| chuller | re | 15:18 |
| chuller | btw. anyone tried to charge an n800 via usb up to now ? It seems not to work on the usb port, but with a usb -> nokia chergercable for a new nokia mobile it seems to work ... | 15:20 |
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| Jaffa | chuller: it won't charge via the USB port, but you can use a USB -> Nokia charger cable and it will work (fairly obviously). Didn't I just say this? ;-) | 15:24 |
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| chuller | Jaffa: sorry, wasnt finished, got distracted ;) | 15:25 |
| chuller | my question was, did it ever stop charging when being charged via an usb -> nokia charger ? | 15:25 |
| chuller | as for me it charged 10h straight and still was not shown the battery as full | 15:26 |
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| miket | hi, i'new at maemo platform and i got a little stuck..propably something stupid. any help appreciated :) | 16:28 |
| miket | i'm trying to run the maemo_hello application from the tutorial | 16:29 |
| miket | and i keep getting this message: maemo_hello[5015]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: | 16:29 |
| miket | i cant find anything on the web.. | 16:31 |
| mgedmin | have you started Xephyr? | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | have you set DISPLAY to :2 in your scratchbox shell? | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | have you exported the DISPLAY variable? | 16:32 |
| bstock | hey does anyone know a good current bluetooth gps adapter i can use for the n770, specifically one that i can find on newegg.com | 16:34 |
| bstock | i think someone mentoned the i.Trek M3 before | 16:34 |
| miket | yes, yes and yes (through the start-xephyr.sh) | 16:35 |
| miket | yes, (through the start-xephyr.sh) yes and yes | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | hm, I think the error message implies that your display is not set | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | otherwise it would say "cannot open display: :2" | 16:36 |
| miket | yeah i see it now.. | 16:38 |
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| miket | i've been trying to execute both commands (export and af-sb-init) through a script.. | 16:39 |
| miket | i did it manually and it worked.. | 16:39 |
| miket | thnx | 16:42 |
| inz | whee, sardine-experimental is beautyful right now... | 16:42 |
| inz | infoprints are shown like any normal application | 16:43 |
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| bstock | so does anyone have any ideas about a good bluetooth gps device? | 16:47 |
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| kender | hi | 16:49 |
| bstock | hi.. | 16:51 |
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| mgedmin | bstock: there was a thread about bluetooth gps-es on internettablettalk.com, I think | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | and a thread in the mailing list, a while ago | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | I have a rebranded globalsat bt-308 | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | it works ok, but I wish I'd bought the nokia one instead | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | I don't really need a yet another incompatible charger | 16:54 |
| nnod | anyone know how to select the auto-complete suggestion using the fullscreen keyboard on the n800? | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | my coworker is pretty happy with his gpslim (http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/gr236.php) | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | nnod: I would guess that you do that by pressing the hardware RIGHT key | 16:55 |
| inz | Tapping the suggestion should do that too, right? | 16:56 |
| bstock | it sounds like any of them with the SiRF Star III chipset should work though right? | 16:56 |
| Veggen | bstock: yah, that's the essence these days. | 16:56 |
| bstock | cool, thanks guys | 16:57 |
| nnod | mgedmin, inz: thanks, those both work. it was not intuitive for me... | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | bstock: I haven't heard of any bluetooth GPSes that do not work | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | look for 'NMEA protocol' in the feature list | 16:57 |
| Veggen | bstock: of course they have to talk NMEA, but I haven't heard any that doesn't. | 16:57 |
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| nnod | anyone seen a bluetooth gps with datalogging for sale in europe? | 16:58 |
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| keesj | my sound on the desktop is broken , can I use the nokia as speakers/sound system? | 17:22 |
| keesj | perhaps export some esd variable? | 17:22 |
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| inz | keesj, I doubt the esd on 770/N800 listens on tcp | 17:24 |
| keesj | so also some nc | esd | 17:25 |
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| keesj | that looks like the easy part , I woult be better if there was some alsa hack to add the n800 as sound device :) | 17:26 |
| keesj | wtf .. http://tinyurl.com/2zpphh some alsa-maemo plugin ?? | 17:28 |
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| mgedmin | hm | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | yay, it works | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | keesj: ssh your-nokia; run esd -public -tcp -nobeeps there | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | then on your desktop export ESPEAKER=your-nokia and run an audio app that plays over esd | 17:32 |
| keesj | really .. how cool | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | Cool :-) | 17:33 |
| cosmo_ | does it work the other way? | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 17:34 |
| keesj | REALLY COOL | 17:36 |
| keesj | perhaps then I can tweak my asoundrc so that it also works for firefox/flash | 17:37 |
| cosmo_ | someone should make a nice gui for that (on both desktop and maemo) | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | you can run firefox under esddsp, but it is not very stable | 17:38 |
| bergie | nnod: I'm using this one... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GPS_Reviews#NaviGPS_.2F_.28B.29GT-11 | 17:39 |
| bergie | works quite nicely with Maemo Mapper | 17:39 |
| bergie | though the big field test will be hunting trip to lapland on mar 9th | 17:40 |
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| * Jaffa uses a recent-from-eBay Deluo one and, although cheap, it appears Maemo Mapper crashes frequently with it. | 17:41 | |
| part | keesj: that alsa plugin is for os2006, there's working alsa in os2007 | 17:41 |
| kender | part, AFAIK there isn't alsa support on N800/os2007 | 17:41 |
| keesj | I have no idea what that plugin is :p | 17:41 |
| part | keesj: me neither :) | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | Did anybody try Battlegweled multiplayer via wifi yet? | 17:43 |
| part | kender: I just checked again, my device has /proc/asound | 17:43 |
| keesj | pretty hard to search for alsa esd output , google returns more esd alsa output | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | It seems indt has a new version, but I can't get that to work. | 17:43 |
| kender | part, yes, but nor alsa nor oss works | 17:44 |
| kender | I tried compiling alsa oss emulation | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | can alsalib play over esd? | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | I know pulseaudio has an alsalib plugin | 17:44 |
| keesj | there is also a a2dp module in the mud builder file traker , I think that uses alsa | 17:44 |
| kender | but same | 17:44 |
| keesj | mgedmin: I think it would be possible with dmix / .asoundrc | 17:45 |
| part | kender: why the f*ck would you want oss emulation? | 17:45 |
| Tak | because a lot of apps use oss? | 17:45 |
| part | legacy apps | 17:45 |
| kender | Tak, yeah, that's it | 17:46 |
| Tak | dude, what % of linux sound-producing apps use oss? 99%? | 17:46 |
| Fatal | it's sad, isn't it | 17:46 |
| kender | part, and, in the other hand, because I was only trying to do it work without using gstreamer in my app | 17:46 |
| part | kender: in any case, there's alsa support in the kernel, I'm not sure of the userspace tools | 17:47 |
| part | I don't have osso emulation enabled, and audio applications work | 17:48 |
| part | s/osso/oss/ | 17:48 |
| part | uhh.. | 17:48 |
| kender | what audio applications? | 17:49 |
| part | rhythmbox and vlc mostly | 17:52 |
| kender | rhythmbox uses gstreamer | 17:53 |
| kender | vlc...I don't think so | 17:53 |
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| part | and gstreamer uses alsa | 17:53 |
| keesj | skype used oss for a long time, so did flash | 17:54 |
| kender | no | 17:54 |
| kender | part, there are some special sinks in the platform | 17:54 |
| kender | dsppcmsink for wav (raw) audio files | 17:54 |
| part | keesj: they are not audio applications, and as they use oss, they are legacy applications | 17:54 |
| kender | and dspmp3sink | 17:54 |
| kender | for hardware mp3 decoding | 17:54 |
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| Tak | heh, everything that uses oss is not automatically a legacy app | 18:00 |
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| part | tak: yes it is | 18:00 |
| kender | oss is deprecated | 18:00 |
| Tak | in that case, new legacy apps are being written every day | 18:02 |
| part | tak: what, like non-free binary-only crap like skype? sure, they are still legacy apps | 18:02 |
| Tak | plenty of free software too | 18:02 |
| Tak | I didn't bring up skype | 18:03 |
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| mgedmin | skype 1.3 betas use alsa, btw | 18:06 |
| kender | and what about gizmo? | 18:07 |
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| inz | Hmm, my libtool says that 1000 is not a non-negative integer... | 18:09 |
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| s-ndh-c | how does maemomapper work? | 18:14 |
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| mgedmin | well? | 18:20 |
| * mgedmin is not sure what kind of answer s-ndh-c expects | 18:20 | |
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| s-ndh-c | does it start downloading the map parts after one entered the place it should give your driving directtions to? | 18:22 |
| s-ndh-c | or does it require persistent internetconnection all the time? | 18:23 |
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| Tak | I downloaded all the maps for my "city" | 18:24 |
| s-ndh-c | ah so you can select what masp to download? | 18:24 |
| s-ndh-c | maps | 18:24 |
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| s-ndh-c | would it be possible to download map data for my whole country? i guess that would kill whatever database backend it uses right? | 18:25 |
| Veggen | s-ndh-c: yah, you can. Just zoom to the area you want downloaded, and there in the menus you can easily download that area in the zoom levels you want. | 18:25 |
| Tak | depends what country, I guess | 18:26 |
| Veggen | for the whole country? sure, but not at the most detailed level, I guess ;) (unless your country is named Luxembourg or so ;-P) | 18:26 |
| s-ndh-c | sounds cool, too bad i dont have a gps reciever | 18:26 |
| s-ndh-c | Tak: germany for me | 18:26 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean i have non with bluetooth | 18:27 |
| Veggen | I found it still useful even tho I didn't always use it with gps. | 18:27 |
| Veggen | It's, after all, instant access to street maps of anywhere. | 18:27 |
| Tak | ditto | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | well, not really | 18:27 |
| Tak | I don't even have a gps | 18:27 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah thats cool | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | google doesn't have street maps for the whole world | 18:27 |
| Veggen | mgedmin: mm, ok. | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | I have to be content with the pretty satelite pictures | 18:28 |
| s-ndh-c | anyways have to go, will catch up on that later | 18:28 |
| s-ndh-c | cya guys | 18:28 |
| Tak | I'm surprised google doesn't have *any* maps in mexico | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | I was surprised that street maps of Goteborg are more detailed than sat maps | 18:29 |
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| kkito | why maemo is using a really older libxml ? | 18:47 |
| keesj | kkito: you where working on qt4 right? | 18:48 |
| kkito | keesj, yes | 18:48 |
| keesj | interesting :p | 18:48 |
| kkito | keesj, it runs really fast on a n800 | 18:48 |
| kkito | i am trying to compile kdelibs, perhaps the n800 has enough power to run some kde apps :/ | 18:49 |
| keesj | it must take ages to compile . it's already slow to compile on my normal machine. | 18:49 |
| kkito | 1 or 2 hours to compile qt4... | 18:49 |
| roope | exit | 18:49 |
| roope | oops. :) | 18:49 |
| keesj | exit not found :p | 18:49 |
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| zeenix | keesj: why should the compilation be slower_ | 18:50 |
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| zeenix | s/_/?/ | 18:51 |
| keesj | I don't understand everything about sbox but some thing are running under qemu | 18:51 |
| zeenix | keesj: actually compilation doesn't use qemu, thats the whole point of using sbox | 18:52 |
| zeenix | keesj: qemu is for running arm binaries, but otoh! many configure scripts compile and run binaries for some tests | 18:53 |
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| keesj | so the gcc -arm is on sbox is a i386 binary running? | 18:55 |
| timeless | typically if you have the proper dev kits | 18:56 |
| kkito | i think that is an arm enviorment running behind qemu | 18:56 |
| kkito | then the gcc is an arm bin | 18:56 |
| timeless | you could ask the apt system to get you arm-gcc-arm and use it | 18:56 |
| ptman | there isn't a precompiled fuse for bora? | 18:56 |
| timeless | but most people aren't that silly, afaik | 18:56 |
| keesj | but sbox detects if the code is compiled to arm of i386 then? | 18:57 |
| keesj | to = for | 18:57 |
| kulve | scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, not stripped | 18:57 |
| keesj | I should have asked such questions a long time ago | 18:57 |
| kulve | the compiler compiles only for one target (I think) | 18:57 |
| kulve | so in SB arm target, you have a i386 binary gcc, which makes arm binaries | 18:58 |
| kulve | for pure cross compiling there's no need for qemu | 18:58 |
| kulve | but e.g. configure runs tests and that's what qemu is for | 18:58 |
| keesj | I crosscompiled for win32 on linux and for the gp2x. it is more painfull then sbox :p | 19:00 |
| keesj | but again I used recent compilers. | 19:00 |
| Tak | meh, I looked at some gp2x stuff - it just looked like pain | 19:00 |
| keesj | Tak: I did not even find a volunteer to compile xmoto, I whill have to wait a while to have such a device to get motivated to find out how that format works | 19:03 |
| keesj | the gp2x really looks dull compared to the nokia's | 19:03 |
| Tak | I agree | 19:03 |
| zuh | The correct answer is of course make a sb toolchain/devkit for gp2x ;) | 19:03 |
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| keesj | i have big trouble spending more then 24 hours a day thinking. by the time i will have finshed sb3 will be out | 19:08 |
| keesj | i think i really made then jalouse when talking about the wiiremote ad the network connectivty | 19:09 |
| keesj | kkito do you have plans for keyboard input? | 19:13 |
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| kkito | keesj, first i want to know if kde apps and qt apps run ok on the device, If apps are going to run fast and without memory problems, then i will implement some hacks to the qt like vkb , fullscreen and right mouse click | 19:17 |
| Bipolar | kkito: you're my hero :) | 19:18 |
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| keesj | how is the startup time? do you use prelink? | 19:20 |
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| kkito | Bipolar, jajaja :P | 19:22 |
| keesj | what about skype , that looks like pure qt . perhas they are working on the keyboard input. i wonder when skype wil come | 19:22 |
| Bipolar | keesj: I'm pretty sure they won't use qt for thier nokia client | 19:23 |
| Bipolar | keesj: more likely they'll reimplement in gtk | 19:23 |
| Bipolar | otherwise it would be done by now :) | 19:23 |
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| keesj | i wonder what can be so secret. | 19:23 |
| keesj | i don't know if the window mobile client is qt based | 19:26 |
| ptman | isn't also the windows version written in delphi, at least I think I read that somewhere | 19:27 |
| ptman | so they probably have no problem rewriting the interface yet another time for anew device | 19:27 |
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| keesj | the long term solution is to not use skype at all. | 19:30 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 19:31 |
| kender | hello bedboi | 19:31 |
| pahartik | keesj: Proper solution | 19:31 |
| keesj | thanks | 19:32 |
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| manaPirat | hi guys :) | 20:05 |
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| Pio | http://pio.longstair.com/misc/maemo_xevil.jpg | 20:20 |
| Pio | :) | 20:20 |
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| timeless | what is that? | 20:22 |
| Pio | xevil | 20:22 |
| timeless | what is that? | 20:22 |
| Pio | http://www.xevil.com/ | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | is it supposed to look that way? | 20:22 |
| Pio | nope | 20:22 |
| Pio | im still working on it heh | 20:23 |
| Pio | i was just excited to have it build | 20:23 |
| Pio | its apparently not made to build with any recent versions of g++ | 20:23 |
| timeless | http://www.xevil.com/xevil/sshots/UNIX-snaps.html | 20:23 |
| Pio | yeah i dont know whats up with the colors.. some kind of color depth issue i think.. havent even checked it out | 20:24 |
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| timeless | wow, compusa is closing 126/225 stores, that'll hurt nokia's distribution efforts :) | 20:25 |
| Tak | eek - link? | 20:25 |
| timeless | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2099068,00.asp | 20:25 |
| timeless | in other news, good to see that search engines got free speech for ad placement (</imo>) | 20:26 |
| Tak | haha, I wonder if the one here will get closed | 20:27 |
| timeless | note: i didn't read the article | 20:28 |
| keesj | is this really possible? what happens to people working there? | 20:28 |
| timeless | there isn't one near "here" :( | 20:28 |
| timeless | it happens | 20:28 |
| timeless | you get laid off | 20:28 |
| timeless | probably 1-2 months severance | 20:28 |
| chibiAcyd | if they close the comp usa here i've still got fry's | 20:28 |
| timeless | maybe medical for 6 | 20:28 |
| timeless | chibiacyd: only west coast people have that | 20:28 |
| timeless | at least, in general | 20:28 |
| Tak | there are some in texas as well | 20:29 |
| keesj | fry? | 20:29 |
| chibiAcyd | yeah. they've been slowly moving east though | 20:29 |
| chibiAcyd | fry's electronics/outpost.com | 20:29 |
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| Tak | it'd be great if the compusa here got replaced with a fry's | 20:30 |
| * timeless shrugs | 20:30 | |
| timeless | i grew up w/ compusa | 20:30 |
| timeless | my pc at home is one | 20:30 |
| timeless | i remember visiting fry's in the bay area | 20:31 |
| timeless | they were certainly nifty | 20:31 |
| timeless | but when i was actually living there, i wasn't as impressed | 20:31 |
| chibiAcyd | frys doesnt always have the best product | 20:31 |
| timeless | actually, the more amazing thing is going into a store, asking a question about a box | 20:31 |
| timeless | and watching the store guy *open* the box to try to answer it | 20:31 |
| timeless | since, you're kind of used to stores needing to cell shrink wrapped boxes.. | 20:32 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 20:39 |
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| timeless | http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?threshold=3&mode=flat&commentsort=4&op=Change&sid=224528 | 20:47 |
| timeless | a whole bunch of comments worth reading.. | 20:47 |
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| chibiAcyd | i hope they don't close my compusa, cause thats where i usually shop since boycotting best buy | 20:53 |
| timeless | > In the US, we call that store Radio Shack. You have questions? We have blank stares! | 20:54 |
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| chibiAcyd | lmao | 20:55 |
| Tak | yeah, my choices here currently are best buy, compusa, or, for limited things, circuit city | 20:56 |
| Tak | all of which suck | 20:56 |
| Tak | but compusa sucks slightly less | 20:56 |
| chibiAcyd | at least radio shack will usually tell you they don't know | 20:57 |
| chibiAcyd | the compusa here surprisingly has competent employees | 20:58 |
| timeless | tak: sounds like England is much worse | 20:58 |
| timeless | but, Finland certainly isn't great | 20:58 |
| Tak | eh? | 20:58 |
| timeless | they only have *one* store | 20:59 |
| timeless | called PCWorld (?) | 20:59 |
| ptman | ? | 20:59 |
| timeless | (England) | 20:59 |
| Molagi | whats wrong with finland? | 20:59 |
| ptman | oh | 20:59 |
| Tak | ah - how about australia? | 21:00 |
| timeless | i think there's only one real computer chain in Finland, but i can't even remember its name | 21:00 |
| Molagi | lol no | 21:00 |
| Molagi | theres many | 21:00 |
| ptman | I can't really think of any chain, just some big and small shops | 21:01 |
| ptman | pcsuperstore went bankrupt | 21:02 |
| Molagi | yeah | 21:02 |
| Molagi | i think verkkokauppa.com is the largest now | 21:02 |
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| ptman | I forgot it's a chain | 21:02 |
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| Knowledge | do you guys know what profile a device would have to support in order to be used as a BT headset? | 21:17 |
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| c0ffee | Knowledge, sco | 21:23 |
| Knowledge | c0ffee: I'm sorry, sco? | 21:24 |
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| c0ffee | the profile's called sco | 21:25 |
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| Knowledge | I see...hmm, is it a common profile? I'm trying to find a way to be able to use the 770/800 as a BT headset | 21:29 |
| juho | anyone got information when upgrade comes for IT os 2007 | 21:30 |
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| konttori | juho: in march? ;) | 21:38 |
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| bedboi | Anyone knows if there is a way to use last.fm with n800? | 21:45 |
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| chibiAcyd | i believe their flash player works with the n80 | 21:48 |
| bedboi | It should | 21:49 |
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| bedboi | Brw the flash app doesn't seem to start... | 21:50 |
| bedboi | Damn keyb | 21:51 |
| chibiAcyd | weird. the one on radioblogclub.com seems to work | 21:52 |
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| hap | my homemade flash player works too for mp3, but it hangs sometimes | 22:00 |
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| chibiAcyd | scripts seem to hang on a lot of multimedia flash apps | 22:02 |
| konttori_ | Is there an easy way to make installer packages for maemo in os x? | 22:02 |
| juho | btw does gaim work on N800's OS | 22:05 |
| chibiAcyd | sure does juho | 22:05 |
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| konttori_ | Does anyone know any way to control master volume from python? | 22:27 |
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| chibiAcyd | nope, haven't worked in python in years | 22:30 |
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| keesj | maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:16 < inz> keesj, I doubt the esd on 770/N800 listens on tcp | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:17 < keesj> so also some nc | esd | 22:36 |
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| keesj | 16:18 < keesj> that looks like the easy part , I woult be better if there was some alsa hack to add the n800 as sound device :) | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:20 < keesj> wtf .. http://tinyurl.com/2zpphh some alsa-maemo plugin ?? | 22:36 |
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| keesj | 16:23 < mgedmin> hm | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:24 < mgedmin> yay, it works | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:24 < mgedmin> keesj: ssh your-nokia; run esd -public -tcp -nobeeps there | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:25 < mgedmin> then on your desktop export ESPEAKER=your-nokia and run an audio app that plays over esd | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:25 < keesj> really .. how cool | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:25 < Jaffa> Cool :-) | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:26 < cosmo_> does it work the other way? | 22:36 |
| keesj | 16:26 < mgedminREALLY COOL | 22:37 |
| c0ffee | that happens when you use a lame client that doesn't have paste protection! | 22:37 |
| ptman | where should I place modules in maemo? | 22:37 |
| Fatal | :) | 22:37 |
| c0ffee | shame on you | 22:37 |
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| ptman | I'm trying to get fuse working in bora | 22:37 |
| c0ffee | /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ? | 22:37 |
| ptman | doesn't exist | 22:38 |
| c0ffee | create it | 22:38 |
| ptman | and still there are modules loaded | 22:38 |
| c0ffee | they're from initfs | 22:38 |
| c0ffee | but it's packed | 22:38 |
| c0ffee | you can't put extra modules there | 22:38 |
| ptman | all right | 22:38 |
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| chibiAcyd | anyone know how to add a timezone to osso-clock? | 22:43 |
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| bstock | keesj: so i ssh in and run 'esd -public -tcp -nobeeps', then on a term window on desktop type 'export ESD=<Nokia IP>' and i should get sound on my desktop | 22:50 |
| bstock | ? | 22:50 |
| bstock | er, on desktop type 'export ESPEAKER=<nokia IP>' | 22:51 |
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| neal | why not use gstreamer? | 22:51 |
| keesj | re | 22:52 |
| keesj | neal would gstreamer work with firefox? | 22:53 |
| keesj | what is so ! great about gstreamer! any way ! tee ! foo ! nice ! sink ! flexlible| you get used to it | 22:53 |
| neal | gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc ! dspmp3sink | 22:54 |
| neal | gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=... ! udpsink ... | 22:54 |
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| neal | oh. | 22:54 |
| neal | I was think to use gstreamer instead of esd | 22:55 |
| keesj | playbin did not work right? | 22:55 |
| neal | playbin does not work on the 770, no | 22:55 |
| neal | you need to auto detect the stuff on your own | 22:55 |
| neal | or debug playbin and make a new package | 22:55 |
| neal | actually, I bet it is a problem with the dspmp3sink | 22:56 |
| neal | it doesn't report tags | 22:56 |
| neal | I can't seek with it correctly | 22:56 |
| neal | and it crashes when you send it an ogg | 22:56 |
| keesj | feel free to post a comment http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/28/p64#more64 | 22:56 |
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| keesj | I would really love some .asoundrc magic to pipe the audio to the n800 | 22:57 |
| keesj | even if it means using gstreamer :p | 22:57 |
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| keesj | bstock: yes, only that"only" works for esd apps or apps using oss that uare started running esddsp | 23:03 |
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| chibiAcyd | lol | 23:34 |
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| neal | where is the definitive guide for writing .desktop and .service files? | 23:37 |
| neal | I've been hacking on this for three days | 23:37 |
| neal | it is really quite frustrating | 23:37 |
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| omega | ok, so I'm tyring to use the ICd from python using osso.rpc, and nothing's happening | 23:43 |
| omega | anyone have experience with osso.rpc? | 23:43 |
| omega | it looks to me as if the bindings themselves are broken: | 23:44 |
| omega | SystemError('NULL result without error in PyObject_Call',) | 23:44 |
| omega | from osso.Rpc.rpc_run() | 23:45 |
| omega | also, anyone know if /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max is set anywhere during boot, or where I would go about doing that, since sysctl.conf is not here? | 23:46 |
| omega | max=4 is just too low | 23:46 |
| konttori_ | Neal: I haven't found one. But I just got my app almost working (no app icon in task bar, but opens from menu) ... Still no idea how to get the icon to appear | 23:48 |
| neal | right | 23:48 |
| neal | that's my problem | 23:48 |
| konttori_ | You have the same problem? | 23:50 |
| neal | yes. | 23:51 |
| neal | the thing that drives me crazy is that I wrote a few thousand lines of code in a few days | 23:51 |
| neal | and have spent nearly as much time trying to figure out how do to this. | 23:51 |
| Tak | I have the opposite problem | 23:52 |
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| Tak | I can't get my icon to appear in the taskbar without an entry showing in the menu | 23:52 |
| konttori_ | neal: I hear you. I definately would like Nokia to make a sort of installer generator app for maemo. | 23:52 |
| konttori_ | can't be that hard | 23:52 |
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| konttori_ | Tak: With our powers combined.... | 23:53 |
| neal | I want better debugging output | 23:53 |
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