IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-02-28

lle2konttori: are you doing all that on the target, inside sb or on your host?00:00
konttoriall in target. well, coding in osx, then move file to target, retest00:01
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konttoricool. thanks Tak. it's working.00:02
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konttoriok, still doesn't work from the desktop entry, but this is improvement already.00:05
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Takpastebin your .desktop ?00:07
konttoriumm.. how do I use pastebin?00:08
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konttoriseems like there might be unnecessary white spaces in the file00:10
konttorithose might affect it.00:10
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konttoriahh.. now it seems to be opening.00:12
TakI seem to recall .desktop files can be ws-sensitive00:13
konttoriIt opens for a sec and then falls down00:13
konttoriI removed the white spaces and that helped00:13
konttoriBut now it opens and immediately crashes.00:13
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konttoriservice looks like this:
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Takhmm - your service line in .desktop doesn't match the name in the service file00:16
konttorishould that have as well?00:16
omegadoes anyone have any example code showing Python access to osso-ic?  AFAICT, the python osso bindings simply left that part out...00:17
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Takkonttori: I'm not 100% sure, but I think so00:19
Takomega: they may be unimplemented - I think the python bindings aren't 100% complete00:20
omegathere's a new release out, gonna install that and see00:20
omegabut I should be able to manipulate the IC entirely via dbus, right?00:20
konttoriok, I tried with the model, but no luck.00:21
konttorithanks anyway Tak, I'm a bit dixxy already, so I'll head to bed and fix it tomorrow.00:21
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* Tak shrugs00:24
TakI haven't messed with IC00:24
omegahmm, I'd install python2.5, except it doesn't show up anywhere in the apt list even after following the instructions on the page...00:25
omegathe packages doesn't even seem to exist in the repository ;-(00:27
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omegahrm, there's what's effectively a hidden link to an alternate set of instructions.00:28
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omegastill no hint of IC bindings00:32
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Takawesome - pixel doubling will be added in the next n800 firmware00:50
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hapanyone using gaim on the n800 ?01:55
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maddlerhap: installed it but never really used it actually02:04
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haplike everything on the n800 ? ;)02:15
maddlersorry, can't get it...02:19
hapyou install things, but using it ...02:21
hapI played with the blackberry from a friend, damned it's great to get emails.02:22
hapkeyboard is nice.02:22
maddlerhap: E61 is a lot better IMHO...02:22
maddlerbtw... no... I install things and use them on N800...02:22
maddlersimply I feel comfortable enough with default chat app...02:22
hapmaddler: do you ? I just use the web browser sometimes, but it crashes going on gmail ... :(02:22
hapmaddler: chat app ? typing on keyboard is slow, i think02:23
maddlerweb browser works fine here...02:23
maddlerhap: not as fast as on a real kbd... but comfortable enough when sitting on sofa... or while moving...02:23
maddlerit took a while top got used to thumb board...02:24
maddlerbut now is's fine...02:24
maddlerthe only thing I really miss is a decent mail app...02:24
hapmine keeps looping02:25
hapmaddler: yeah you bet...02:25
maddlerhap: dunno...02:25
hapthe one within the blackberry is great02:25
hapi didn't try the E6102:25
maddlerhap: I'm using Profimail on E61 and it works amazingly well...02:25
maddlerI was/am more than happy tro pay (just) 22eur. for such a great app...02:26
maddlerE61's keyboard is very comfortable...02:26
maddlerthat's why prefer to use it when I need to write/read emails when abroad...02:26
maddleryes, I'm a techno geek... ;)02:27
hapwe all are02:28
maddlerI bet...02:30
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hapis there a better mp3 player than the multimedia player?02:38
hapmine keeps crashing to play remote http:// mp302:38
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b0unc3hap: mplayer02:42
hapb0unc3: works much better, i have to type mplayer "http://...mp3", :(02:47
hapb0unc3: isn't there an UI interface, and being able to say opera to use that for .mp3s ?02:47
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maddlerdamn... just found that my PCMCIA->SD adapter is not working...03:22
maddleraverage transfer speed is less than 30KBps03:22
maddlermoving a 400 megs avi takes hours...03:23
maddleroook... my movie is ready now...03:23
maddlertime to hit the b{e|a}d!!! :)03:23
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maddler** gone with the bind!03:23
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korchello, somebody can answer me a question?... how do I become a root?... i can to follow the 770's howto:
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* Pio porting xevil >:)08:24
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jtokashok, so I bought a windows mobile 5 blackjack without researching how to tether it to my n800 and now I'm sad.08:24
jtokashWM5 doesn't have DUN anymore, so you have to use PAN and the instructions on how to use PAN on the N800 are extensive08:25
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Willehi. just got my n800 :)08:50
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konttoriWille: congrats09:07
Willekonttori: thanks. i like it so far09:08
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konttoriHey, I'm having problem with my desktop / service file. I've got a python app I'm building. Well, it's quite done and it works when I run it from console as /usr/bin/app . However, when I run it from menu, app opens for a sec and then closes. Any ideas on what gives?09:10
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Wille_grr damn 3g connection dropped09:11
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keesjJaffa: are you bussy?10:07
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JaffaMorning, all10:32
Jaffakeesj: probably :-/10:32
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ptmanWhee! I got my N800!10:41
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bedboihi there11:00
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bedboiis it possible to make a widget transparent?11:04
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maddlerJaffa: morning...11:44
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konttoriHey, I'm having problem with my desktop / service file. I've got a python app I'm building. Well, it's quite done and it works when I run it from console as /usr/bin/app . However, when I run it from menu, app opens for a sec and then closes. Any ideas on what gives?11:55
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konttoriHey, I'm having problem with my desktop / service file. I've got a python app I'm building. Well, it's quite done and it works when I run it from console as /usr/bin/app . However, when I run it from menu, app opens for a sec and then closes. Any help would be much appreciated.11:58
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timelessthe network is splitting12:06
konttoriodd. does that happen often?12:07
konttoriNever seen that before12:07
inzkonttori, you're using DBus auto-start to start your program, but it doesn't register the name it's started by12:07
konttoriYou mean the problem is in the service file?12:07
inzThe problem is in your application12:08
inzOr if you don't want to use dbus, then the problem is in your .desktop file12:08
inzi.e. if you have X-Osso-Service in .desktop, then you must have corresponding .service file and your application must do dbus_bus_request_name (on system bus) for the same name12:10
konttoriAhh. so, the app must do a call as well. I see.12:10
nealinz: really?12:11
konttoriIs it the osso context call?12:11
nealinz: I thought osso_initialize did that for you12:11
inzneal, it does12:11
inzneal, but _someone_ must call it12:11
konttoriSo, basically, for app named App, one should do: osso_c = osso.Context("App", "1.0.0", False)12:12
konttoriOr did I misunderstand something?12:12
inzI dunno of the python bindings, but something like that, yes12:12
inzIf you use the default -prefix12:13
inzIf you don't, then include the full service name12:13
konttoriexciting. I'll test it12:15
konttorino go. Is there a log file that could check to see what is the problem?12:17
konttoriDesktop and service files here:
konttoriIn case you could have a look if there is something obviously wrong12:17
inzpatebin seems s12:18
konttoriahh... I'm getting cannot initialize context error when I run from console.12:19
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konttoriIs that supposed to happen?12:20
konttoriI have: osso_c = osso.Context("MediaCenter", "1.0.0", False)12:20
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konttoriinz: yeah, pastebin is apparently in a sorry state.12:24
inzDoes it work if you use
konttoriumm... what do you mean?12:24
inzIn the osso.Context -call12:24
konttoriuse that where? In the desktop file?12:24
konttoriahh... I'll try12:24
konttorinope. same error12:26
konttoriosso.OssoException: Cannot initialize context12:26
konttoriJust checking, but is the necessary?12:27
konttoriand are capital letters allowed in the name?12:28
inzThe isn't necessary12:28
inzAnd captial letters should be allowed12:28
konttorisame thing even without the prefix.12:31
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inzkonttori, you could try running dbus-monitor --system "type='signal'" and trying to start your program12:34
maddleraloha kahua!12:34
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inzkonttori, or make that --session, session bus is initialized first12:35
konttori--session "type='signal'"  didn't go through.12:36
konttoriJust gave me usage instructions12:37
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konttoriSorry. It gave me: failed to open connection to session message bus: unable to determine the address of the message bus12:38
konttoriahh... that was related to running it in gainroot12:39
konttoriwhen I run it as user, it seems to crash in loading of an image.12:41
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konttoriwhen I run the dbus-monitor with system or session (as user) and then try to open the app via the desktop, nothing appears in the console13:18
konttoriI fixed the image related issue, which was nice, but now I'm back where I started. desktop icon isn't opening the app.13:20
konttoriapp works when executed as user from /usr/bin/13:20
konttoriI have the osso context line in the very beginning of the script13:20
inzIs is after gtk.init()?13:22
inz(is there such in python)13:22
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konttorinope, it's a pygame app. So, no gtk init13:22
konttoriIt's in the very first lines after imports13:23
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inzI'd suggest to drop the dbus stuff then13:23
konttoriUmm... But how can I get the app to open from the desktop file?13:24
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inzkonttori, remove the X-Osso-Service line from .desktop13:24
konttorialso osso-type ?13:25
inzI guess it doesn't matter13:25
konttoriGreat! Thank you ever so much! It's working!!!13:26
konttoriDo I have to do something to get it to appear in the left side navigation?13:28
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inzI think it should appear, if your program's WMCLASS matches the binary-name in the .desktop13:32
inzErr, WM_CLASS actually, but anyway13:36
inzIt's something that gtk by default sets to the binary name.13:36
inzBut I really don't know what pygame does13:36
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konttorihey, thank you very much. It's much better situation already. I can live with this until I'm ready to release. At which time dpkg will be my next problem. Although, I am pretty sure I can get that working in osx.13:41
* Jaffa wonders what konttori is working on13:42
konttoriI'm making a good music player.13:42
konttoriDifferent look into what a music player should be than canola.13:43
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konttoriCanola seems to be pretty much copying osx front row13:43
konttoriAnd front row is not a good software imho.13:44
konttoriat least as a music player.13:44
osfameronas long as the player doesn't crash a lot, and sorts tracks in alphabetical order of track tag, rather than alphabetical order of track *number*, like the default player (can you say "WTF?") it'll be an improvement13:45
roopeHm, interesting.13:47
konttorias I said, this will be quite different. It's in really nice shape already, but I'm kinda wondering at which point I should release it. Currently it seems to be e.g. problems playing music files that have both 1.1 mp3 id and 2.0 mp3id. And I need to add a caching layer for the id data so that not all files need to be polled on every opening of the player.13:47
roopeI think ... at least currently the UI is too heavy. It should be lighter. Give music more easily, with less steps.13:47
konttoriAfter those are done... maybe I might consider releasing it.13:48
roopeI don't want to manage my music with the device, just consume it.13:48
osfameronkonttori: or you could release it now on alpha and get many eyes and hands to test it13:48
konttoriroope: The emphasis has exactly been on that. Easier to use, less clutter.13:48
roopeAnd no multiple views, if possible. :)13:48
konttoriasfameron: the thing is that then I'd start getting bug reports that would take too much time. I'd rather release it when it's a bit more done.13:49
osfameronheh, fair enough13:49
konttoriroope: it will have two views. But it will be natural to use.13:49
osfameronwhatever you've got time for13:49
Jaffakonttori: you could release it and say "no bug reports please", or even just release it to #maemo ;-)13:51
* konttori is considering that13:53
cosmo_does it use gstreamer?13:54
cosmo_excellent, it'll play mods too13:54
konttoriso, it doesn't consume too much power as it plays on dsp13:54
konttoriUm... mods ... as in the amiga mods? Does gstreamer support those?13:55
cosmo_there's a plugin available at garage13:55
konttoriahh... ok, I might consider adding support for mods at some point. ATM it'll be just mp3s13:55
cosmo_you get a huge mod library on 1gb memory card13:56
konttoribut then again it's easy to convert mods to mp3s13:56
konttoricosmo_ don't the mod files tend to take about the same space as mp3s?13:56
cosmo_but shouldn't it support all gstreamer-supported formats?13:56
konttoricosmo_: it uses dsp call for playback (ATM)13:57
Jaffakonttori: a MOD only contains samples for instruments, they're *tiny* compared with MP3s13:57
cosmo_nope, they typically take 5-500kb each13:57
konttorignomevfssrc name=source ! dspmp3sink13:57
* konttori stands corrected on mod issue13:57
cosmo_sid files are even smaller, but there's no plugin yet afaik13:58
JaffaHmm, gstreamer can presumably report on the MIME types it supports? Passing that through a MIME type <-> file extension mapping is probably the best way of deciding which files to try and play13:58
osfameronmod?  oh, like a midi thingy?13:58
konttorimods contain the samples as well13:58
cosmo_it's  more like  midi than mp313:58
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cosmo_but mods sound good.. midis sound terrible13:58
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inzcosmo, midi sound depends (highly) on your sw / hw13:59
konttoricosmo_ midis just need really good instruments.13:59
cosmo_yeah i know, but with default soundcard midi sounds they usually sound terrible13:59
konttorifor example the ones in garageband expansion packs are splendid in quality14:00
konttori(and consume tens of megs per instrument)14:00
cosmo_mods (should) sound the same everywhere14:00
inzI have one mod (coke.mod) that I've only heard correctly with one player14:02
inzAnd I really don't remember which one it was, some DOS player anyway14:03
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konttoriI had a few days ago a really like flashback on amiga game turrican 2. I then googled mods for it and was plesantly surprised that people had turned those into mp3s. Some spendid music in that game. Hmm... amiga emulator for maemo?  ;) No, seriously, emulators don't make sense on a device without proper dpad.14:15
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fish_stupid question but i never tried that: its not possible to charge the n770 over usb?14:35
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bedboithere is no simple way to write a transparent widget in maemo14:41
bedboiisn't it?14:41
Jaffafish_: you can charge it over USB; however it won't charge through its USB port. You can get chargers which have modern Nokia tips which plug into USB ports, though.14:41
X-Fadebedboi: Check mweather?14:42
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kkitodo you know the svn url to download with a svn checkout ?14:48
timelessum, i don't recognize that14:49
kkitothx inz :)14:49
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fish_Jaffa: well.. i have to drive about 10 hours tomorrow so it would be nice to have my n770 with my gps14:54
fish_and i have a 12v to usb power supply for my gps14:54
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Jaffafish_: ah14:58
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chullerbtw. anyone tried to charge an n800 via usb up to now ? It seems not to work on the usb port, but with a usb -> nokia chergercable for a new nokia mobile it seems to work ...15:20
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Jaffachuller: it won't charge via the USB port, but you can use a USB -> Nokia charger cable and it will work (fairly obviously). Didn't I just say this? ;-)15:24
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chullerJaffa: sorry, wasnt finished, got distracted ;)15:25
chullermy question was, did it ever stop charging when being charged via an usb -> nokia charger ?15:25
chulleras for me it charged 10h straight and still was not shown the battery as full15:26
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mikethi, i'new at maemo platform and i got a little stuck..propably something stupid. any help appreciated :)16:28
miketi'm trying to run the maemo_hello application from the tutorial16:29
miketand i keep getting this message:   maemo_hello[5015]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display:16:29
miketi cant find anything on the web..16:31
mgedminhave you started Xephyr?16:32
mgedminhave you set DISPLAY to :2 in your scratchbox shell?16:32
mgedminhave you exported the DISPLAY variable?16:32
bstockhey does anyone know a good current bluetooth gps adapter i can use for the n770, specifically one that i can find on newegg.com16:34
bstocki think someone mentoned the i.Trek M3 before16:34
miketyes, yes and yes (through the
miketyes, (through the yes and yes16:35
mgedminhm, I think the error message implies that your display is not set16:36
mgedminotherwise it would say "cannot open display: :2"16:36
miketyeah i see it now..16:38
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miketi've been trying to execute both commands (export and af-sb-init) through a script..16:39
miketi did it manually and it worked..16:39
inzwhee, sardine-experimental is beautyful right now...16:42
inzinfoprints are shown like any normal application16:43
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bstockso does anyone have any ideas about a good bluetooth gps device?16:47
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mgedminbstock: there was a thread about bluetooth gps-es on, I think16:54
mgedminand a thread in the mailing list, a while ago16:54
mgedminI have a rebranded globalsat bt-30816:54
mgedminit works ok, but I wish I'd bought the nokia one instead16:54
mgedminI don't really need a yet another incompatible charger16:54
nnodanyone know how to select the auto-complete suggestion using the fullscreen keyboard on the n800?16:55
mgedminmy coworker is pretty happy with his gpslim (
mgedminnnod: I would guess that you do that by pressing the hardware RIGHT key16:55
inzTapping the suggestion should do that too, right?16:56
bstockit sounds like any of them with the SiRF Star III chipset should work though right?16:56
Veggenbstock: yah, that's the essence these days.16:56
bstockcool, thanks guys16:57
nnodmgedmin, inz: thanks, those both work. it was not intuitive for me...16:57
mgedminbstock: I haven't heard of any bluetooth GPSes that do not work16:57
mgedminlook for 'NMEA protocol' in the feature list16:57
Veggenbstock: of course they have to talk NMEA, but I haven't heard any that doesn't.16:57
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nnodanyone seen a bluetooth gps with datalogging for sale in europe?16:58
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keesjmy sound on the desktop is broken , can I use the nokia as speakers/sound system?17:22
keesjperhaps export some esd variable?17:22
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inzkeesj, I doubt the esd on 770/N800 listens on tcp17:24
keesjso also some nc | esd17:25
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keesjthat looks like the easy part , I woult be better if there was some alsa hack to add the n800 as sound device :)17:26
keesjwtf .. some alsa-maemo  plugin ??17:28
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mgedminyay, it works17:32
mgedminkeesj: ssh your-nokia; run esd -public -tcp -nobeeps there17:32
mgedminthen on your desktop export ESPEAKER=your-nokia and run an audio app that plays over esd17:32
keesjreally .. how cool17:33
JaffaCool :-)17:33
cosmo_does it work the other way?17:33
keesjREALLY COOL17:36
keesjperhaps then I can tweak my asoundrc so that it also works for firefox/flash17:37
cosmo_someone should make a nice gui for that (on both desktop and maemo)17:37
mgedminyou can run firefox under esddsp, but it is not very stable17:38
bergiennod: I'm using this one...
bergieworks quite nicely with Maemo Mapper17:39
bergiethough the big field test will be hunting trip to lapland on mar 9th17:40
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* Jaffa uses a recent-from-eBay Deluo one and, although cheap, it appears Maemo Mapper crashes frequently with it.17:41
partkeesj: that alsa plugin is for os2006, there's working alsa in os200717:41
kenderpart, AFAIK there isn't alsa support on N800/os200717:41
keesjI have no idea what that plugin is :p17:41
partkeesj: me neither :)17:42
X-FadeDid anybody try Battlegweled multiplayer via wifi yet?17:43
partkender: I just checked again, my device has /proc/asound17:43
keesjpretty hard to search for alsa esd output , google returns more esd alsa output17:43
X-FadeIt seems indt has a new version, but I can't get that to work.17:43
kenderpart, yes, but nor alsa nor oss works17:44
kenderI tried compiling alsa oss emulation17:44
mgedmincan alsalib play over esd?17:44
mgedminI know pulseaudio has an alsalib plugin17:44
keesjthere is also a a2dp module in the mud builder file traker , I think that uses alsa17:44
kenderbut same17:44
keesjmgedmin: I think it would be possible with dmix / .asoundrc17:45
partkender: why the f*ck would you want oss emulation?17:45
Takbecause a lot of apps use oss?17:45
partlegacy apps17:45
kenderTak, yeah, that's it17:46
Takdude, what % of linux sound-producing apps use oss?  99%?17:46
Fatalit's sad, isn't it17:46
kenderpart, and, in the other hand, because I was only trying to do it work without using gstreamer in my app17:46
partkender: in any case, there's alsa support in the kernel, I'm not sure of the userspace tools17:47
partI don't have osso emulation enabled, and audio applications work17:48
kenderwhat audio applications?17:49
partrhythmbox and vlc mostly17:52
kenderrhythmbox uses gstreamer17:53
kendervlc...I don't think so17:53
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partand gstreamer uses alsa17:53
keesjskype used oss for a long time, so did flash17:54
kenderpart, there are some special sinks in the platform17:54
kenderdsppcmsink for wav (raw) audio files17:54
partkeesj: they are not audio applications, and as they use oss, they are legacy applications17:54
kenderand dspmp3sink17:54
kenderfor hardware mp3 decoding17:54
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Takheh, everything that uses oss is not automatically a legacy app18:00
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parttak: yes it is18:00
kendeross is deprecated18:00
Takin that case, new legacy apps are being written every day18:02
parttak: what, like non-free binary-only crap like skype? sure, they are still legacy apps18:02
Takplenty of free software too18:02
TakI didn't bring up skype18:03
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mgedminskype 1.3 betas use alsa, btw18:06
kenderand what about gizmo?18:07
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inzHmm, my libtool says that 1000 is not a non-negative integer...18:09
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s-ndh-chow does maemomapper work?18:14
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* mgedmin is not sure what kind of answer s-ndh-c expects18:20
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s-ndh-cdoes it start downloading the map parts after one entered the place it should give your driving directtions to?18:22
s-ndh-cor does it require persistent internetconnection all the time?18:23
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TakI downloaded all the maps for my "city"18:24
s-ndh-cah so you can select what masp to download?18:24
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s-ndh-cwould it be possible to download map data for my whole country? i guess that would kill whatever database backend it uses right?18:25
Veggens-ndh-c: yah, you can. Just zoom to the area you want downloaded, and there in the menus you can easily download that area in the zoom levels you want.18:25
Takdepends what country, I guess18:26
Veggenfor the whole country? sure, but not at the most detailed level, I guess ;) (unless your country is named Luxembourg or so ;-P)18:26
s-ndh-csounds cool, too bad i dont have a gps reciever18:26
s-ndh-cTak: germany for me18:26
s-ndh-ci mean i have non with bluetooth18:27
VeggenI found it still useful even tho I didn't always use it with gps.18:27
VeggenIt's, after all, instant access to street maps of anywhere.18:27
mgedminwell, not really18:27
TakI don't even have a gps18:27
s-ndh-cyeah thats cool18:27
mgedmingoogle doesn't have street maps for the whole world18:27
Veggenmgedmin: mm, ok.18:28
mgedminI have to be content with the pretty satelite pictures18:28
s-ndh-canyways have to go, will catch up on that later18:28
s-ndh-ccya guys18:28
TakI'm surprised google doesn't have *any* maps in mexico18:28
mgedminI was surprised that street maps of Goteborg are more detailed than sat maps18:29
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kkitowhy maemo is using a really older libxml ?18:47
keesjkkito: you where working on qt4 right?18:48
kkitokeesj, yes18:48
keesjinteresting :p18:48
kkitokeesj, it runs really fast on a n80018:48
kkitoi am trying to compile kdelibs, perhaps the n800 has enough power to run some kde apps :/18:49
keesjit must take ages to compile . it's already slow to compile on my normal machine.18:49
kkito1 or 2 hours to compile qt4...18:49
roopeoops. :)18:49
keesjexit not found :p18:49
zeenixkeesj: why should the compilation be slower_18:50
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keesjI don't understand everything about sbox but some thing are running under qemu18:51
zeenixkeesj: actually compilation doesn't use qemu, thats the whole point of using sbox18:52
zeenixkeesj: qemu is for running arm binaries, but otoh! many configure scripts compile and run binaries for some tests18:53
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keesjso the gcc -arm is on sbox is a i386 binary running?18:55
timelesstypically if you have the proper dev kits18:56
kkitoi think that is an arm enviorment running behind qemu18:56
kkitothen the gcc is an arm bin18:56
timelessyou could ask the apt system to get you arm-gcc-arm and use it18:56
ptmanthere isn't a precompiled fuse for bora?18:56
timelessbut most people aren't that silly, afaik18:56
keesjbut sbox detects if the code is compiled to arm of i386 then?18:57
keesjto = for18:57
kulvescratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, not stripped18:57
keesjI should have asked such questions a long time ago18:57
kulvethe compiler compiles only for one target (I think)18:57
kulveso in SB arm target, you have a i386 binary gcc, which makes arm binaries18:58
kulvefor pure cross compiling there's no need for qemu18:58
kulvebut e.g. configure runs tests and that's what qemu is for18:58
keesjI crosscompiled for win32 on linux and  for the gp2x. it is more painfull then sbox :p19:00
keesjbut again I used recent compilers.19:00
Takmeh, I looked at some gp2x stuff - it just looked like pain19:00
keesjTak: I did not even find a volunteer to compile xmoto, I whill have to wait a while to have such a device to get motivated to find out how that format works19:03
keesjthe gp2x really looks dull compared to the nokia's19:03
TakI agree19:03
zuhThe correct answer is of course make a sb toolchain/devkit for gp2x ;)19:03
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keesji have big trouble spending more then 24 hours a day thinking. by the time i will have finshed sb3 will be out19:08
keesji think i really made then jalouse when talking about the wiiremote ad the network connectivty19:09
keesjkkito do you have plans for keyboard input?19:13
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kkitokeesj, first i want to know if kde apps and qt apps run ok on the device, If apps are going to run fast and without memory problems, then i will implement some hacks to the qt like vkb , fullscreen and right mouse click19:17
Bipolarkkito: you're my hero :)19:18
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keesjhow is the startup time? do you use prelink?19:20
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kkitoBipolar, jajaja :P19:22
keesjwhat about skype , that looks like pure qt . perhas they are working on the keyboard input. i wonder when skype wil come19:22
Bipolarkeesj: I'm pretty sure they won't use qt for thier nokia client19:23
Bipolarkeesj: more likely they'll reimplement in gtk19:23
Bipolarotherwise it would be done by now :)19:23
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keesji wonder what can be so secret.19:23
keesji don't know if the window mobile client is qt based19:26
ptmanisn't also the windows version written in delphi, at least I think I read that somewhere19:27
ptmanso they probably have no problem rewriting the interface yet another time for anew device19:27
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keesjthe long term solution is to not use skype at all.19:30
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bedboihi there.19:31
kenderhello bedboi19:31
pahartikkeesj: Proper solution19:31
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manaPirathi guys :)20:05
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timelesswhat is that?20:22
timelesswhat is that?20:22
mgedminis it supposed to look that way?20:22
Pioim still working on it heh20:23
Pioi was just excited to have it build20:23
Pioits apparently not made to build with any recent versions of g++20:23
Pioyeah i dont know whats up with the colors.. some kind of color depth issue i think.. havent even checked it out20:24
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timelesswow, compusa is closing 126/225 stores, that'll hurt nokia's distribution efforts :)20:25
Takeek - link?20:25
timelessin other news, good to see that search engines got free speech for ad placement (</imo>)20:26
Takhaha, I wonder if the one here will get closed20:27
timelessnote: i didn't read the article20:28
keesjis this really possible? what happens to people working there?20:28
timelessthere isn't one near "here" :(20:28
timelessit happens20:28
timelessyou get laid off20:28
timelessprobably 1-2 months severance20:28
chibiAcydif they close the comp usa here i've still got fry's20:28
timelessmaybe medical for 620:28
timelesschibiacyd: only west coast people have that20:28
timelessat least, in general20:28
Takthere are some in texas as well20:29
chibiAcydyeah. they've been slowly moving east though20:29
chibiAcydfry's electronics/outpost.com20:29
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Takit'd be great if the compusa here got replaced with a fry's20:30
* timeless shrugs20:30
timelessi grew up w/ compusa20:30
timelessmy pc at home is one20:30
timelessi remember visiting fry's in the bay area20:31
timelessthey were certainly nifty20:31
timelessbut when i was actually living there, i wasn't as impressed20:31
chibiAcydfrys doesnt always have the best product20:31
timelessactually, the more amazing thing is going into a store, asking a question about a box20:31
timelessand watching the store guy *open* the box to try to answer it20:31
timelesssince, you're kind of used to stores needing to cell shrink wrapped boxes..20:32
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timelessa whole bunch of comments worth reading..20:47
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chibiAcydi hope they don't close my compusa, cause thats where i usually shop since boycotting best buy20:53
timeless> In the US, we call that store Radio Shack. You have questions? We have blank stares!20:54
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Takyeah, my choices here currently are best buy, compusa, or, for limited things, circuit city20:56
Takall of which suck20:56
Takbut compusa sucks slightly less20:56
chibiAcydat least radio shack will usually tell you they don't know20:57
chibiAcydthe compusa here surprisingly has competent employees20:58
timelesstak: sounds like England is much worse20:58
timelessbut, Finland certainly isn't great20:58
timelessthey only have *one* store20:59
timelesscalled PCWorld (?)20:59
Molagiwhats wrong with finland?20:59
Takah - how about australia?21:00
timelessi think there's only one real computer chain in Finland, but i can't even remember its name21:00
Molagilol no21:00
Molagitheres many21:00
ptmanI can't really think of any chain, just some big and small shops21:01
ptmanpcsuperstore went bankrupt21:02
Molagii think is the largest now21:02
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ptmanI forgot it's a chain21:02
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Knowledgedo you guys know what profile a device would have to support in order to be used as a BT headset?21:17
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c0ffeeKnowledge, sco21:23
Knowledgec0ffee: I'm sorry, sco?21:24
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c0ffeethe profile's called sco21:25
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KnowledgeI see...hmm, is it a common profile? I'm trying to find a way to be able to use the 770/800 as a BT headset21:29
juhoanyone got information when upgrade comes for IT os 200721:30
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konttorijuho: in march? ;)21:38
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bedboiAnyone knows if there is a way to use with n800?21:45
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chibiAcydi believe their flash player works with the n8021:48
bedboiIt should21:49
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bedboiBrw the flash app doesn't seem to start...21:50
bedboiDamn keyb21:51
chibiAcydweird. the one on seems to work21:52
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hapmy homemade flash player works too for mp3, but it hangs sometimes22:00
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chibiAcydscripts seem to hang on a lot of multimedia flash apps22:02
konttori_Is there an easy way to make installer packages for maemo in os x?22:02
juhobtw does gaim work on N800's OS22:05
chibiAcydsure does juho22:05
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konttori_Does anyone know any way to control master volume from python?22:27
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chibiAcydnope, haven't worked in python in years22:30
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keesj maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets |22:36
keesj16:16 < inz> keesj, I doubt the esd on 770/N800 listens on tcp22:36
keesj16:17 < keesj> so also some nc | esd22:36
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keesj16:18 < keesj> that looks like the easy part , I woult be better if there was some alsa hack to add the n800 as sound device :)22:36
keesj16:20 < keesj> wtf .. some alsa-maemo  plugin ??22:36
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keesj16:23 < mgedmin> hm22:36
keesj16:24 < mgedmin> yay, it works22:36
keesj16:24 < mgedmin> keesj: ssh your-nokia; run esd -public -tcp -nobeeps there22:36
keesj16:25 < mgedmin> then on your desktop export ESPEAKER=your-nokia and run an audio app that plays over esd22:36
keesj16:25 < keesj> really .. how cool22:36
keesj16:25 < Jaffa> Cool :-)22:36
keesj16:26 < cosmo_> does it work the other way?22:36
keesj16:26 < mgedminREALLY COOL22:37
c0ffeethat happens when you use a lame client that doesn't have paste protection!22:37
ptmanwhere should I place modules in maemo?22:37
c0ffeeshame on you22:37
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ptmanI'm trying to get fuse working in bora22:37
c0ffee/lib/modules/$(uname -r) ?22:37
ptmandoesn't exist22:38
c0ffeecreate it22:38
ptmanand still there are modules loaded22:38
c0ffeethey're from initfs22:38
c0ffeebut it's packed22:38
c0ffeeyou can't put extra modules there22:38
ptmanall right22:38
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chibiAcydanyone know how to add a timezone to osso-clock?22:43
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bstockkeesj: so i ssh in and run 'esd -public -tcp -nobeeps', then on a term window on desktop type 'export ESD=<Nokia IP>' and i should get sound on my desktop22:50
bstocker, on desktop type 'export ESPEAKER=<nokia IP>'22:51
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nealwhy not use gstreamer?22:51
keesjneal would gstreamer work with firefox?22:53
keesjwhat is so ! great about gstreamer! any way ! tee ! foo ! nice ! sink ! flexlible| you get used to it22:53
nealgst-launch-0.10 udpsrc ! dspmp3sink22:54
nealgst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=... ! udpsink ...22:54
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nealI was think to use gstreamer instead of esd22:55
keesjplaybin did not work right?22:55
nealplaybin does not work on the 770, no22:55
nealyou need to auto detect the stuff on your own22:55
nealor debug playbin and make a new package22:55
nealactually, I bet it is a problem with the dspmp3sink22:56
nealit doesn't report tags22:56
nealI can't seek with it correctly22:56
nealand it crashes when you send it an ogg22:56
keesjfeel free to post a comment
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keesjI would really love some .asoundrc magic to pipe the audio to the n80022:57
keesjeven if it means using gstreamer :p22:57
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keesjbstock: yes, only that"only" works for esd apps or apps using oss that uare started running esddsp23:03
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nealwhere is the definitive guide for writing .desktop and .service files?23:37
nealI've been hacking on this for three days23:37
nealit is really quite frustrating23:37
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omegaok, so I'm tyring to use the ICd from python using osso.rpc, and nothing's happening23:43
omegaanyone have experience with osso.rpc?23:43
omegait looks to me as if the bindings themselves are broken:23:44
omega SystemError('NULL result without error in PyObject_Call',)23:44
omegafrom osso.Rpc.rpc_run()23:45
omegaalso, anyone know if /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max is set anywhere during boot, or where I would go about doing that, since sysctl.conf is not here?23:46
omegamax=4 is just too low23:46
konttori_Neal: I haven't found one. But I just got my app almost working (no app icon in task bar, but opens from menu) ... Still no idea how to get the icon to appear23:48
nealthat's my problem23:48
konttori_You have the same problem?23:50
nealthe thing that drives me crazy is that I wrote a few thousand lines of code in a few days23:51
nealand have spent nearly as much time trying to figure out how do to this.23:51
TakI have the opposite problem23:52
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TakI can't get my icon to appear in the taskbar without an entry showing in the menu23:52
konttori_neal: I hear you. I definately would like Nokia to make a sort of installer generator app for maemo.23:52
konttori_can't be that hard23:52
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konttori_Tak: With our powers combined....23:53
nealI want better debugging output23:53
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chibiAcydwhat charset do the files in /usr/share/zoneinfo use?23:59

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