| kkito | Sulis, what do you want, share or mount a smb drive? | 00:00 |
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| Sulis | mount | 00:01 |
| kkito | Sulis, the n800 kernel hasnt got support for samba filesystems, i dont know if in future version it will be included, anyways, there are some unnoficial kernels with smb support | 00:01 |
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| Sulis | oh really, well i'll have to learn to flash this thing eventually | 00:05 |
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| Sulis | where can i find these unofficial kernels? | 00:05 |
| kkito | did someone try to run qt4 on n800? | 00:06 |
| kkito | Sulis, i dont know, is better if you compile and configure your own kernel http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html | 00:09 |
| Sulis | ah right, that's cool | 00:10 |
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| kkito | Sulis, if you are going to build your own kernel, perhaps you may want to patch the kernel with the sdhc patch, for newer 8GB Sd cards http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=44 | 00:21 |
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| Sulis | yes, that has been a part of my plans for the near future | 00:23 |
| kkito | i dont know if there are a patch for usb host support too | 00:24 |
| kkito | or if it can be enabled directly on the kernel configuration | 00:24 |
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| Sulis | i'm not too bothered about that, i don't really have anything that i want usb host for | 00:26 |
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| view | ok, I added a package catalogue, on my 770, and now whenever I open application manager, it doesn't respond. | 00:33 |
| kkito | view, have you root access to the device? | 00:33 |
| view | well it's mine, but I don't know the root pwd | 00:34 |
| kkito | view, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 00:35 |
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| kkito | oh but you cannot run the package catalogue | 00:36 |
| view | soo.. | 00:36 |
| kkito | view, without root access i dont know how to solve the problem | 00:37 |
| kkito | without reflashing the device offcourse | 00:37 |
| kkito | you can try to reboot the system | 00:37 |
| view | ok | 00:38 |
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| view | yeah, no help. | 00:46 |
| view | just freezes up every time | 00:46 |
| kkito | view, :( | 00:47 |
| view | anyway I can access the repository list via terminal | 00:47 |
| view | ? | 00:47 |
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| Tak | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 00:48 |
| view | permissione denied | 00:49 |
| view | ;( | 00:49 |
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| b0unc3 | view: you can't became root ? | 00:51 |
| view | no, becomeroot isn't installed, and each time I open the application manager it freezes | 00:52 |
| b0unc3 | ssh is installed ? | 00:53 |
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| view | I don't think so | 00:54 |
| b0unc3 | if you try to apt-get something it work ? | 00:55 |
| b0unc3 | uhm.. but maybe it require root access... | 00:55 |
| view | yes, it does. | 00:55 |
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| b0unc3 | try to apt-get ssh or becameroot | 00:56 |
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| view | well I would, but becomeroot is in a different repository, that isn't intalled | 00:58 |
| view | isn't in my sources list* | 00:58 |
| b0unc3 | and if you download the .deb and install it with dpkg ? | 00:59 |
| view | I dunno.. | 00:59 |
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| kkito | view, i think that you must to rerflash your device | 01:07 |
| kkito | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 01:07 |
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| saerdnaer | is there a way to get known why my rootfs from flash doesn't boot? | 01:43 |
| saerdnaer | i have a secondary rootfs to get to the files | 01:43 |
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| _hijakk | Hey all, I hope I'm just blind - is there a way to set the desktop image? | 02:45 |
| kkito | _hijakk, yes you are blind! | 02:46 |
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| _hijakk | Woo, now how do I do it? | 02:48 |
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| _hijakk | n/m | 02:48 |
| _hijakk | >.> | 02:48 |
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| lirelent | alright I'm trying to cross-compile a text only application on a ubuntu laptop for a n770 | 07:47 |
| lirelent | so I followed http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installation | 07:47 |
| lirelent | and 1st of all it tells me to use sb-menu instead of sbox-config | 07:48 |
| lirelent | which isn't a huge issue | 07:48 |
| lirelent | but under the CPU-transparancy options the list is empty | 07:48 |
| lirelent | and I used the tar.gz packages | 07:48 |
| lirelent | since I wasn't getting run_me_first.sh with the .deb packages | 07:49 |
| lirelent | any thoughts? | 07:49 |
| lirelent | sorry if I'm being terse | 07:49 |
| tigert_ | install qemu? | 07:49 |
| lirelent | but it's been a loooong night | 07:49 |
| lirelent | how do you do that? | 07:49 |
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| lirelent | i downloaded it from the qemu site | 07:50 |
| tigert | apt-get? ;) | 07:50 |
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| BrianRice | did you make sure to get exactly the scratchbox-apophis version linked? | 07:50 |
| lirelent | yea | 07:50 |
| kulve | lirelent: did you try the maemo-installer script? | 07:50 |
| tigert | but the debian packages of sbox work fine on ubuntu | 07:50 |
| lirelent | kulve installer.txt didn't seem to indicate that exsisted for 2.2 | 07:51 |
| lirelent | just for 3.0 | 07:51 |
| lirelent | root@runabout:~/scratchbox# ls -l | 07:51 |
| lirelent | total 403792 | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 112652853 2006-12-22 07:29 Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131391604 2006-12-22 07:29 Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1901741 2007-02-05 18:16 qemu-0.9.0.tar.gz | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49932823 2006-11-30 12:30 scratchbox-core-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5055791 2006-11-30 12:31 scratchbox-devkit-debian-1.0.6-i386.tar.gz | 07:51 |
| kulve | lirelent: ah, sorry | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14395788 2006-11-30 12:31 scratchbox-libs-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49751041 2007-01-12 05:29 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm-1.0.5-i386.tar.gz | 07:51 |
| lirelent | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 47935438 2007-01-12 05:31 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386-1.0.5-i386.tar.gz | 07:51 |
| lirelent | root@runabout:~/scratchbox# | 07:51 |
| lirelent | those are the versions I have | 07:51 |
| lirelent | and used | 07:52 |
| BrianRice | actually, if i can be made to feel dumb for a minute, what is the solution to automatically connect to wifi networks that i trust? | 07:52 |
| kulve | lirelent: http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-devkit-cputransp-1.0.1-i386.tar.gz | 07:52 |
| kulve | lirelent: and probably: http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-devkit-perl-1.0.4-i386.tar.gz | 07:52 |
| BrianRice | i keep googling and not finding anything, which is baffling to me | 07:52 |
| Tak | afaik there isn't one | 07:52 |
| Tak | at least not for 770 | 07:53 |
| BrianRice | Tak: why not when the primary purpose of the device is to connect to the net? | 07:53 |
| * Tak shrugs | 07:53 | |
| lirelent | kulve do I just extract that to / like the other packages? | 07:53 |
| soulblaze | the n800 will cnnect to a trusted network..of course | 07:53 |
| Tak | they appear to have rectified in n800 | 07:53 |
| soulblaze | it'll also connect to any open network in site | 07:53 |
| tigert | there should be a setting in connection manager | 07:53 |
| kulve | lirelent: yep | 07:53 |
| BrianRice | ok, so netcat runs on it just fine but it can't auto-connect... seems like some shell scripts could fix this or something listening for the right dbus messages | 07:54 |
| soulblaze | I haven't used my n800 for anything besides an ebook reader in like a month.. | 07:54 |
| BrianRice | hm, well alright. i'll keep looking | 07:54 |
| lirelent | ooooh sweet thank SOOO much kulve | 07:55 |
| kulve | lirelent: np :) | 07:56 |
| lirelent | oh so under dev kits what should i choose | 07:56 |
| lirelent | cputransparancy or debian | 07:56 |
| lirelent | or both | 07:56 |
| kulve | both | 07:57 |
| kulve | but not the debian sarge thing | 07:57 |
| lirelent | right | 07:57 |
| kulve | all but the sarge thing | 07:58 |
| lirelent | and qemu-arm | 07:58 |
| lirelent | or qemu-armeb | 07:58 |
| soulblaze | speaking of arm coding..is t here any books that are out there that would be helpful to learn toc ode for the n800? | 07:58 |
| kulve | lirelent: latest qemu-arm | 07:58 |
| lirelent | uber ty kulve | 07:59 |
| kulve | soulblaze: it's basic "linux coding" | 07:59 |
| kulve | just few internet tablet related addons/tweaks | 07:59 |
| lirelent | wow I have to say this i just about the most useful irc channel I've /j ed | 08:00 |
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| kulve | lirelent: some times there are people that have time to help here and sometimes not ;) | 08:02 |
| lirelent | well lucky me | 08:02 |
| lirelent | been a long day | 08:02 |
| lirelent | so a change of luck is nice | 08:02 |
| soulblaze | ah so there's nothing specific? hm | 08:03 |
| lirelent | alright it's 1am so bed time, thank you again kulve | 08:04 |
| kulve | soulblaze: something specific | 08:04 |
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| kulve | soulblaze: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/how-to.html | 08:04 |
| soulblaze | thanks | 08:04 |
| kulve | soulblaze: especially: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 08:04 |
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| tigert | duh | 08:07 |
| acydlord | tigert, i love the theme :p | 08:10 |
| tigert | good:) | 08:11 |
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| tigert | man, i am going to work too early :) | 08:13 |
| tigert | the irc is too quiet | 08:13 |
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| Tak | maemo sucks, why can't we have qt apps? | 08:29 |
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| disq | :) | 08:33 |
| Tak | in all seriousness , the hildon spinner control could be a lot more thumb-friendly | 08:37 |
| Tak | alternatively, I could just use a different control , but a spinner seems like the best fit for a range of integers | 08:41 |
| tigert | haha | 08:44 |
| tigert | sorry, was gmailing :) | 08:44 |
| tigert | a lot could be more thumb-friendly | 08:44 |
| BrianRice | speaking of which, at what level is the finger-ness of a click exposed? | 08:45 |
| tigert | but that would mean a lot bigger widgets. how would we do that? | 08:45 |
| tigert | it would break many app layouts, and those small dialogs would need to die | 08:46 |
| disq | yeah we would need specialized wizard type dialogs. like mediastreamer has but wider, 4-6 pages or so :) | 08:48 |
| Tak | well, instead of [5]^v like it is now, it could be \/[5]/\ | 08:48 |
| tigert | but i must admit, after using the thumb keyboard, i dont want topickup the stylus much | 08:48 |
| Tak | not much size difference, but a lot more thumbable | 08:48 |
| Tak | ditto | 08:49 |
| tigert | yea, or dialogs and views could slide like on the ipod. but that would mean redoing most apps | 08:49 |
| disq | i hate how the normal vkb resizes hildonwindow when it pops up | 08:49 |
| Tak | plus a lot of dialogs are already broken and need to be completely reworked (xchat) | 08:50 |
| tigert | or perhaps we should just experiment with this using few apps | 08:50 |
| disq | and it keeps popping under certain conditions (opera keeps focusing to that damn textarea when you just need to scroll, etc) | 08:50 |
| tigert | disq, it kinda has to, so your text entry field is not hiden under the keyboard | 08:50 |
| disq | is there a i dont want your stinkin vkb toggle somewhere btw? :) | 08:51 |
| disq | one could hit the rocker and enable thumbkb if needed | 08:51 |
| disq | or just press the finger etc | 08:51 |
| tigert | i would love to see maemo-mapper in canola-like thumbable ui | 08:51 |
| tigert | with fullscreen thumb dialog for driving directions etc | 08:51 |
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| disq | the translucent vkb idea is good, hope somebody develops it (as a hildon-whatever.so replacement) | 08:53 |
| disq | that way it also wouldn't resize | 08:53 |
| disq | how was fosdem btw :) | 08:53 |
| tigert | i dont think its actuallly that good in use | 08:54 |
| tigert | plus real transparency eats cpu we dont have | 08:54 |
| disq | the 2420 looks pretty idle to me :P | 08:55 |
| jacques | heh | 08:55 |
| disq | of course it's not an option in the 770 | 08:55 |
| jacques | what about the 2d/3d graphics accelerator? | 08:55 |
| disq | jacques: that falls under the category of licensing and money (and possibly lawyers?) | 08:56 |
| tigert | also even the iphone doesnt have it transparent | 08:56 |
| jacques | :-( | 08:56 |
| disq | iphone my ass, it's just a dumb phone :) | 08:56 |
| tigert | i think the problem is lack of feedback. | 08:56 |
| soulblaze | a dumb phone with 3 xscale processors | 08:57 |
| disq | feedback as in button-feedback, or licensing-feedback? | 08:57 |
| tigert | its already pretty tricky to type, what if it was evenharder to see the keys? | 08:57 |
| disq | mmm. if only we had 32bpp. though the hw designers first have to get a good screen, the digitizer's still screwed up with the n800 | 08:58 |
| disq | of course the 32bpp/alphachannel effect can be done with wasting more cpu for convenience, but might need more integration/hacking with the x server since gtk+ possibly wouldn't support it that way | 08:59 |
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| disq | dunno. | 09:01 |
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| disq | the popped up vkb just takes up too much screen estate | 09:02 |
| tigert | yea. but it has to. it cant really be smaller either | 09:03 |
| acydlord | i like the vkb | 09:03 |
| tigert | its already inconvenient to type | 09:03 |
| acydlord | nokia should have made a n800 bundle with a btkb | 09:04 |
| disq | space/prediction bar can be smaller, with real tiny fonts. probably numpad too | 09:04 |
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| tigert | the thumb board is great, but of course it overtakes everything | 09:04 |
| disq | btkb is too much clutter | 09:04 |
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| acydlord | i loved my btkb for when i had a desktop or something to set it on | 09:04 |
| tigert | bluetotooth keyboard works like shit when walking or standing | 09:04 |
| disq | also the huge margins on everything doesn't help, and i still didn't check out hildon theme tools | 09:05 |
| tigert | its a mobile device. i have a computer when i am sitting on a desk | 09:05 |
| tigert | the vkb doesnt have much margins that would affect this issue | 09:06 |
| tigert | the spacing of buttons is in the theme bitmaps | 09:06 |
| disq | yeah its the theme. in fullscreen mode it's much better etc | 09:06 |
| disq | i mean the app margins, not the theming of the vkb :) | 09:07 |
| tigert | yeah | 09:07 |
| tigert | fix it :) | 09:08 |
| tigert | ok, back with laptop, now I can type with a real kbd again | 09:08 |
| tigert | but its scary, I cannot type any faster on this | 09:08 |
| disq | :) identify yourself (to nickserv, i mean) | 09:08 |
| disq | if it's not your laptop then you're bound to suck at typing. it's the laptop way(tm) | 09:09 |
| tigert | id't | 09:09 |
| tigert | id'd even | 09:09 |
| disq | :) | 09:09 |
| tigert | this is an ibm usb keyboard | 09:09 |
| tigert | its pretty good | 09:09 |
| tigert | but I am pretty scary with the thumb keyboard typing | 09:10 |
| acydlord | i'm used to the thumb keyboard typing | 09:10 |
| soulblaze | ever try one of those thumbpad-type bleutooth keyboards? | 09:10 |
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| disq | i'm getting used to it now that i know it averages the finger press | 09:10 |
| acydlord | bbl, phone | 09:10 |
| disq | btw installed debian-armel on chroot as told in the ml | 09:11 |
| disq | looks good, though firefox-arm (iceweasel or whatever) refuses to work | 09:11 |
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| disq | btw tigert i updated maemopad+ again, added brush color dithering by pressure. it's not that good but it's different :) | 09:12 |
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| BrianRice | hm. where are the mappings from device buttons to keycodes documented, if anywhere except the header files? | 09:22 |
| BrianRice | (i discovered them via xev, but it'd be nice to know where that kind of info is provided) | 09:23 |
| disq | maemo.org wiki | 09:24 |
| BrianRice | is it really? | 09:24 |
| disq | also they are in the app development tutorial iirc | 09:25 |
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| disq | too bad they're still F keys in 2.2 and 3.0 and not unused-weird X keycodes | 09:26 |
| BrianRice | ah, there is a hardware keys section there: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#Hardware-keys | 09:26 |
| Andy80 | wow | 09:30 |
| Andy80 | so active this channel, in the morning too :) | 09:30 |
| BrianRice | 11:30pm here :P | 09:31 |
| Andy80 | 8:30 am here :) | 09:31 |
| * Andy80 yaaaaawwwwwnnnn..... :P | 09:31 | |
| BrianRice | any idea what's the most raw interface to the touchscreen pressure data? | 09:32 |
| * BrianRice wonders if anything in /dev is useful | 09:35 | |
| BrianRice | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_UseTouchscreenPressureData | 09:40 |
| koen | BrianRice: I suspect you want to hook into tslib | 09:40 |
| BrianRice | k | 09:40 |
| koen | or Xsp as that sample says | 09:40 |
| disq | GtkInput/GdkInput works for me. tough it's not perfect on patiently slow strokes | 09:41 |
| acydlord | where is the nginx htdocs folder on the n800? | 09:41 |
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| acydlord | i want to try to install wordpress or a cms using nginx and sqlite | 09:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:37 |
| keesj | Hi Jaffa | 10:38 |
| keesj | did you manage to upload stuff to the maemo repository? | 10:39 |
| Jaffa | Not yet, but I've not tried recently, TBH. | 10:45 |
| keesj | what about using hosting the offer to host an experimental mud repository? I don't want to be constrained much longer. | 10:51 |
| acydlord | sweet, the n800 works with my phone whereas the 770 didnt | 10:52 |
| keesj | guerby: do you have some information about how you use you n800 as phone? | 10:54 |
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| acydlord | i use my n800 as a sip phone | 10:56 |
| Pinguino | hello | 10:56 |
| Pinguino | any1 here from Israel? | 10:57 |
| Pinguino | I am looking for hebrew support | 10:57 |
| Pinguino | on the N770 | 10:57 |
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| Pinguino | I also have a question regarding the discount sent by e-mail | 10:59 |
| Veggen | acydlord: which sip-client? | 10:59 |
| acydlord | gizmo/asterix | 11:00 |
| Pinguino | I bought my 770 while visiting a friend in London | 11:00 |
| Pinguino | I live in Israel and what to use the discount I got for the 800 | 11:00 |
| Veggen | acydlord: hmm. It looks like that when I enable second sip account, it logs into gizmo servers and then the gizmo servers log into the asterisk...is that true? | 11:01 |
| Pinguino | is it possible? | 11:01 |
| acydlord | yep Veggen | 11:01 |
| keesj | acydlord: So i need to look if I can use asterix to hoock up to my phone provider? | 11:01 |
| acydlord | Pinguino, no idea unless you set up a forwarding address | 11:01 |
| Veggen | acydlord: hmmf. probably I need to get sip through my firewall, then ;) | 11:02 |
| acydlord | keesj probably, i know you can use gizmo with skype too | 11:02 |
| Pinguino | I tried using an international credit card belonging to my local bank and it was rejected | 11:02 |
| acydlord | have you tried calling nokia customer support to see if they will let you purchace it over the phone? | 11:03 |
| acydlord | i had to purchase my 770 that way because my business credit card doesnt have 16 digits | 11:03 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: "http://www.bleb.org/repo <gregale|bora|...> free" will work as the test repo. | 11:13 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:14 |
| acydlord | morning | 11:15 |
| acydlord | did anyone notice the little nokia ad for an official nokia cover for the n800 on tableteer last week? | 11:17 |
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| Jaffa | People look at tableteer? | 11:22 |
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| acydlord | lol, i look at it occasionally | 11:25 |
| maddler | acydlord: it's only supposed to cover the scree... no added protection... afaik... | 11:25 |
| maddler | Jaffa: no... not really... :) | 11:25 |
| maddler | s/scree/screen/ | 11:26 |
| acydlord | yeah, it just looked like a little leather screen flap, but i haven't noticied it on tableteer or the nokia site since | 11:26 |
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| maddler | acydlord: it was on nokia.com's N800 page as well... | 11:29 |
| acydlord | ahh, i hadnt seen it on there | 11:29 |
| acydlord | hopefully more 3rd party case makers will make cases for the n800 since it has been getting more press than the 770 ever did | 11:30 |
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| maddler | acydlord: I hope so... | 11:31 |
| glas5 | press where? according to some nokia guy they don't practically market it at all outside usa.. | 11:31 |
| acydlord | something with SD card pockets would be nice :) | 11:31 |
| acydlord | it's been getting a lot of press on the internet | 11:32 |
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| inz | acyd, there's now a experimental wordpress package in maemo-hackers repository | 11:52 |
| inz | acyd, it's not perfect, it's based on WordPress4Sqlite from http://hasin.wordpress.com/2006/08/16/wordpress4sqlite-alpha-one/ | 11:53 |
| maddler | acydlord: yep... I had an aluminium case for my Palm... it was awesome... and save my/our life more than once... | 11:55 |
| acydlord | thanks inz | 11:55 |
| kkito | someone here has problems with maemo gslice memory allocate? | 11:55 |
| acydlord | i had an aluminum case for my old palm zire that was a life send | 11:55 |
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| hrw | hi | 12:20 |
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| hrw | mweather someone? | 12:42 |
| hrw | or only I am can get only fscking pittsburgh in it? | 12:43 |
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| hrw | hi flatronf701C | 12:45 |
| hrw | ops | 12:45 |
| hrw | hi florian_ | 12:45 |
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| florian_ | good morning | 12:46 |
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| hrw | florian: with nokia770 I feel like sharprom user.. fetch this app from here, that from there etc... | 12:56 |
| koen | hrw: you can even install debian an use vnc to view it..... | 12:57 |
| hrw | koen: kewl | 12:57 |
| florian | hrw: :-) | 12:57 |
| hrw | installing dropbear is... package mentioned in application catalog. then you go to dropbear homepage, then to maemo packages by someone-who-I-do-not-know-do-I-can-trust and then you can grab it | 12:58 |
| neal | hrw: You don't need dropbear | 12:58 |
| neal | hrw: just use repository.maemo.org mistral free | 12:58 |
| neal | and install ssh | 12:58 |
| neal | (from the commandline) | 12:58 |
| hrw | neal: I like dropbear because it is small | 12:59 |
| Veggen | Agree with the general opinion, though. More packages in "extras" and not in various private repositories would be good. | 13:00 |
| hrw | Veggen: if they use OE instead of what-they-use you would get a lot | 13:01 |
| keesj | veveggen. do you know why the external repositorie where created? | 13:01 |
| Veggen | keesj: I don't know the history behind, no... | 13:02 |
| Veggen | There might be a good reason, if so, then educate me ;) | 13:02 |
| Veggen | (from a user perspective, it's better in most ways to have a central "extras" repository - also because it forces people to cooperate and not create dependency-conflicts, etc) | 13:03 |
| keesj | oe might be the answer. i have a hard time understanding what oe is and how it works. pkgsrc might also be an answer | 13:04 |
| keesj | veggen. i don't know all the reasons for me it was to complicated | 13:05 |
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| keesj | can bb generate .deb files? | 13:09 |
| hrw | keesj: can | 13:09 |
| hrw | amount of informations provided by maemo package manager is below anything... | 13:10 |
| hrw | 'unable to install maemo-mapper' is all - no info why | 13:10 |
| neal | check the log | 13:10 |
| neal | it's there just very hidden | 13:11 |
| hrw | found | 13:12 |
| hrw | cool.. dpkg status file is broken | 13:15 |
| ptman | remove it, it should be rebuilt | 13:17 |
| ptman | or move it, if you don't want to destroy it | 13:17 |
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| hrw | ptman: first have to poweroff n770, connecto to pc, go into r&d mode to be able to use rootshell etc.. | 13:18 |
| hrw | n770 - device for simple users only | 13:19 |
| cosmo_ | wouldn't it be easier to just install the gainroot package? no r&d or reboot needed.. | 13:19 |
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| keesj | with a broken package manager? | 13:20 |
| hrw | cosmo_: to install something on dpkg/ipkg system you have their database working | 13:20 |
| cosmo_ | oh, true ;) | 13:21 |
| hrw | is there a way to switch n770 to 24h mode? am/pm is not natural for me | 13:22 |
| keesj | is oe "self hosting" can i install it inside sbox? | 13:23 |
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| hrw | keesj: OE is buildsystem | 13:23 |
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| hrw | keesj: and any distro created with OE can use OE | 13:23 |
| cosmo_ | hrw: when you start it first time, it asks locale-specific stuff.. have you checked the settings? | 13:25 |
| hrw | cosmo_: checked. it does not support Poland so I left any | 13:26 |
| koen | keesj: OE is MUD on steroids | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | Stonkingly large amounts of steroids. | 13:33 |
| keesj | yes. i understand and i am interested. mud is for maemo that is why it is simple . i will try to have a good look at oe. It would help if the nokia guys could tell what they think. i have read that they where considering bb. if so i would like to kown that. i am quite happy with the current pickup rate of mud | 13:33 |
| hrw | btw - is there home applet which allow me to put some quicklaunch icons? | 13:33 |
| ptman | I think I saw one | 13:33 |
| keesj | but mud needs to fix a few political problems first in order to gain life | 13:34 |
| lardman | hi hrw | 13:35 |
| keesj | hrhrw I don't think so | 13:35 |
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| ptman | maybe someone just mentioned how cool it would be in their blog on planet maemo, can't find it though | 13:36 |
| keesj | koen i think whe have met at fosdem but i am not sure. i talked to an oe guy about 3rd apps and the java sandbox model | 13:37 |
| lardman | What are the logistics required to use OE to build n770|800 packages? Could one do a half-way house without needing to build eveything (obviously not the toolchain, but libc, etc.)? | 13:37 |
| koen | lardman: it should be possible to use the scratchbox toolchain and ASSUME_PROVIDE gcc, glibc, etc | 13:38 |
| koen | keep in mind that maemo doesn't have a real EABI glibc | 13:38 |
| lardman | koen: Really? | 13:38 |
| * koen vomits on the csl toolchain | 13:38 | |
| * lardman too | 13:39 | |
| koen | lardman: it uses a small shim to translate syscall to OABI | 13:39 |
| lardman | oh right, you learn something new every day :) | 13:39 |
| hrw | lardman: poky has support for it but it will be not added into OE | 13:39 |
| keesj | hrw i started something siimilar for bookmarks it is called cosy-booknarks it shoud be easy to extend the app to exec local apps | 13:39 |
| lardman | hrw: support for what, the shim or nokia building? | 13:40 |
| hrw | lardman: nokia building | 13:40 |
| lardman | hrw: Oh, good good | 13:41 |
| acydlord | whats the string to execute the browser from gaim? i forgot it :( | 13:42 |
| hrw | anyway... maemo makes 800x480 screen working like 640x480 (in best case) | 13:42 |
| ptman | hrw: ? most apps can be zoomed to fullscreen | 13:43 |
| lardman | hrw: You're sounding a bit negative ;) | 13:44 |
| hrw | lardman: a bit? :D | 13:44 |
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| hrw | lardman: its my 8th or even 10th PDA-like device | 13:45 |
| lardman | hrw: where'd you pick up a 770? | 13:45 |
| obergix[work] | lardman: that's the good surprise of fosdem for hrw ;) | 13:45 |
| hrw | lardman: got it during fosdem from MDK | 13:45 |
| lardman | cool, good for you | 13:46 |
| lardman | what are your plans? | 13:46 |
| lardman | for it? | 13:46 |
| hrw | lardman: first look how it works, use it for some time and then time will show. | 13:46 |
| obergix[work] | lardman: porting openzaurus on it ;) | 13:46 |
| hrw | lardman: worst way: will gather dust | 13:46 |
| lardman | obergix[work]: A gpe image already runs, just needs some fiddling to alter the backlight control and battery reporting | 13:47 |
| hrw | lardman: best way: Ångström with GPE insted of maemo thing | 13:47 |
| obergix[work] | hrw: :) | 13:47 |
| lardman | hrw: I have some code for the battery reporting, just need to tweak minilite to talk to gconf for the backlight, or replace the initfs to be adventurous | 13:48 |
| hrw | obergix[work]: this device has some potential but I do not like maemo UI | 13:48 |
| hrw | lardman: or fix kernel driver to behave like it should | 13:48 |
| hrw | lardman: backlight driver is very,very simple thing | 13:48 |
| lardman | hrw: It does behave, it's just overridden | 13:48 |
| lardman | you can get it to work via sysfs, but then the maemo stuff changes it back to the original value | 13:49 |
| hrw | lardman: if you have maemo stuff running.. | 13:49 |
| lardman | hrw: Yes, but it's the stuff in the initfs, which noone has replaced yet | 13:50 |
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| Masakoo | Hello Jtjk | 13:51 |
| Jtjk | Hello, hei | 13:52 |
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| kkito | what does the O and E on EABI OABI means? | 13:55 |
| hrw | Old, Extended? | 13:55 |
| lardman | koen? | 13:55 |
| koen | O = old E = embedded | 13:56 |
| koen | the 'EABI' term was invented by marketing | 13:56 |
| hrw | ah | 13:56 |
| kkito | ah ok | 13:56 |
| kkito | :) | 13:56 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 13:56 |
| bedboi | anyone ever used GdkRegion ? | 13:57 |
| kkito | then perhaps the OABI is the problem that i have with qt4 on n800 | 13:57 |
| kkito | i get a gslice memory allocate error when i try to run some qt4 app on it | 13:57 |
| inz | bedboi, what about it? | 13:58 |
| kkito | i am building the qt4 without glib support.... perhaps it solves the problem :? | 13:58 |
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| acydlord | i hate when a file starts downloading around 2mbps, and then drops to around 2kbps | 13:58 |
| hrw | http://www.hrw.one.pl/2007/02/27/nokia-770-first-observations/ - my first rant | 13:59 |
| bedboi | inz: i define a GdkRegion which is an approximation of a circle | 14:00 |
| bedboi | then i try to use gdk_region_point_in, giving the center of the circle and it returns FALSE | 14:00 |
| cosmo_ | "first not nice thing - flasher is available as binary only " ? | 14:01 |
| bedboi | which, damn, should be TRUE | 14:01 |
| bedboi | inz: and if i use gdk_region_get_clipbox it returns me a dummy rectangle (0,0,0,0) | 14:01 |
| hrw | cosmo_: http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php - show me source here | 14:01 |
| cosmo_ | there is clock applet, at least i got one.. and 24h clock | 14:01 |
| inz | bedboi, how does your approximation work? | 14:02 |
| cosmo_ | hrw: who cares about the source if it just works? | 14:02 |
| hrw | cosmo_: I do | 14:02 |
| cosmo_ | "to get rootshell you need to enable it from PC first" not true, just install the gainroot deb package | 14:02 |
| bedboi | works quite well... i mean i have set N_POINTS and i evaluate in a for these N_POINTS | 14:02 |
| hrw | cosmo_: and I'm unable to flash n770 from few other devices which I have here | 14:02 |
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| lardman | hrw: You should be able to remove applets from the main screen | 14:03 |
| hrw | cosmo_: can you install software with fscked dpkg status file? | 14:03 |
| hrw | lardman: statusbar applets | 14:03 |
| inz | bedboi, and you're using gdk_region_polygon? | 14:03 |
| hrw | lardman: home screen applets are awful too | 14:03 |
| cosmo_ | "no good package management" it's better than symbian or zaurus at least, is there something better than the maemo apt-based system? | 14:03 |
| lardman | hrw: Ah right, yep, that is a problem. I imagine you could do so with some symlink deleting | 14:03 |
| bedboi | inz: yep of course | 14:04 |
| hrw | cosmo_: dont make me laugh ok? | 14:04 |
| cosmo_ | hrw: it's a special case if you get it corrupted. i've never had it happen.. | 14:04 |
| hrw | cosmo_: run maemo package manager and tell me how to uninstall www browser | 14:04 |
| bedboi | inz: gdk_region_polygon(points, CIRCLE_POINTS, GDK_EVEN_ODD_RULE); | 14:04 |
| cosmo_ | hrw: it's stored in flash, it cannot be uninstalled | 14:04 |
| hrw | cosmo_: never say never - I got corruption during first hour of usage | 14:05 |
| hrw | cosmo_: it can. nokia just does not allow to do it | 14:05 |
| cosmo_ | hmm, i thought the files & packages in the flash image are read only? | 14:05 |
| hrw | cosmo_: ok, so maybe | 14:06 |
| cosmo_ | and i wouldn't call it slow, compared to for example nokia communicators which use much the same hardware | 14:06 |
| lardman | hrw: red pillmode | 14:06 |
| hrw | cosmo_: nope. rootfs is jffs2 - anything can be removed | 14:07 |
| kkito | yes, the glibc oabi is the problem with qt4.... now qt4 is running on my n800 :D | 14:07 |
| lardman | hrw: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 14:07 |
| hrw | cosmo_: I have pxa255/400 palmtops and they are faster | 14:07 |
| hrw | lardman: thx | 14:08 |
| bedboi | inz: LOL, there was a cut and paste error.... i was evaluating cos(theta) even for y | 14:08 |
| inz | bedboi, ;) | 14:09 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: do you run your pxa with a bitmap-intesive gtk theme? | 14:10 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: I do not because I can choose to not | 14:11 |
| cosmo_ | i still think the package management is the best available. only desktop linuxes have better GUI for it | 14:11 |
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| hrw | cosmo_: lack of ability to select 'I want those 5 to be installed during my lunch break' is not a bonus for me | 14:12 |
| cosmo_ | is it possible on some mobile platform? | 14:13 |
| hrw | cosmo_: yes | 14:13 |
| hrw | cosmo_: any gpe/opie powered | 14:13 |
| cosmo_ | the package manager gui is not the best, i'd prefer something like synaptic | 14:13 |
| cosmo_ | hrw: they use ipk, which is buggy as hell | 14:14 |
| hrw | I like aptitude but it is not good for n770 | 14:14 |
| hrw | cosmo_: thats the other thing. | 14:14 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: well, if you create a plain theme, you get much more responsive GUI | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | hrw: gpe allows you to select packages and a time to install them? Cool. | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | hrw: FWIW, many of your UI niggles are fixed in OS 2007/Maemo 3. | 14:18 |
| hrw | now I need to get dropbear-server working, login and I see a way to gain few MB | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | hrw: which you can now install on your 770 with the os2007on770 project (if you want to just hack about) | 14:19 |
| bedboi | another question: anyone knows how to vertical align a text in a pango layout? | 14:19 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: and 'ofcourse' it req reflashing? | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | hrw: "of course". | 14:20 |
| inz | bedboi, doesn't pango layout's height depend on the content? | 14:21 |
| hrw | n770 - upgrades in openwrt style | 14:21 |
| bedboi | inz: yep, you are right. | 14:22 |
| bedboi | inz: so if i have to gtk_paint_layout the pango layout in the middle of the rectangle i have to do some math | 14:22 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: I'd like in-place upgrades, but can understand why Nokia did it the way they did with the resources they've got available. Given limited resources, I'd rather they focussed on getting fixed firmware images out than in-place upgrades. | 14:23 |
| inz | bedboi, int w,h; pango_layout_get_size(layout, w, h); gtk_paint_layout(yadayada, rect.x + (rect.width - w) / 2, rect.y + (rect.height - h) / 2); or something | 14:24 |
| inz | Oops, &w, &h obviously | 14:24 |
| hrw | Jaffa: it2006 backup -> it2007HE works? | 14:25 |
| bedboi | yep | 14:25 |
| inz | bedboi, And add PANGO_PIXELS() around w and h in paint_layout | 14:25 |
| inz | Err, don't use get_pixel_size instead ;) | 14:25 |
| inz | +: | 14:25 |
| Jaffa | hrw: IT2006 backup -> IT2007 supposedly works, but I just tarred up my home directory. | 14:25 |
| * Jaffa hasn't tried IT2007HE, since he sold his 770 | 14:25 | |
| hrw | Jaffa: this device has it2006 since 11 today | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | :) | 14:26 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: did you figure out why you don't have 24h already? | 14:27 |
| acydlord | i need to edit the stupid time ap since i live somewhere that's not listed on it and we don't have daylight savings lol | 14:28 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: probably will have to dig which location has 24h and which not | 14:28 |
| acydlord | kinda screws up checking global times | 14:28 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: and will get something like 'you live in Poland, use English language and Brazil language settings | 14:29 |
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| acydlord | brb, checking gconf | 14:31 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: actually you just need to create the locale for pl_PL and get it to the device | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | there's a garage project for extra locales | 14:32 |
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| mgedmin | I never bothered; panelclock gives me a 24 hour clock in the statusbar, which is all I need | 14:33 |
| bedboi | well, i'm finishing developing a "circular" menu | 14:33 |
| bedboi | i'll use that to input number in gpe-sudoku | 14:34 |
| kkito | oh, qt4 is really more responsive than gtk2 on the n800 ... | 14:34 |
| acydlord | lol nice, i just broke my clock =x | 14:34 |
| suihkulokki | kkito: let me guess: qt4 without pixmap theme is faster than gtk2 theme with heavy pixmaps? | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | qt4 with anti-aliasing? | 14:35 |
| kkito | suihkulokki, offcourse i am using the default theme for the qt4, but anyways, i run qt designer and it really starts fast | 14:35 |
| acydlord | fixed | 14:35 |
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| kkito | qt4 is awesome | 14:36 |
| kkito | Jaffa, i dont know if it has antialiasing, i think that yes | 14:36 |
| kkito | the font rendering is good | 14:37 |
| acydlord | anyone know how to add a time zone for the osso-clock on the n800?? | 14:39 |
| Jaffa | kkito: screenshots? | 14:43 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: it2007 has some stuff from list done | 15:08 |
| hrw | bu.. Contact under it2007 cant import vcard with photo | 15:11 |
| timeless | hrw: um, got a url? | 15:15 |
| timeless | just saying "foo doesn't work" isn't anywhere near as useful as either a maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi url, or a url to such an example | 15:15 |
| acydlord | is it possible to open a text file via osso-xterm? | 15:16 |
| hrw | timeless: url for? | 15:16 |
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| timeless | a vcard that doesn't import | 15:16 |
| hrw | timeless: its private vcard sent from my mobile phone | 15:16 |
| kkito | Jaffa, 83.56.186.155:8002 | 15:17 |
| hrw | timeless: I can try to create similar vcard and test with it | 15:17 |
| timeless | you can try using dbus :) | 15:17 |
| timeless | hrw: please do, and when you have one that fails, file a bug and attach the example | 15:18 |
| hrw | timeless: sure | 15:18 |
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| acydlord | hmm | 15:29 |
| acydlord | how possible would it be to use the camera's orientation sensor to automatically switch the orientation in fbreader? | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | Isn't the camera's "sensor" a mechanical switch on the rotation of the barrel? | 15:31 |
| shackan | yes | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | So the answer to acydlord's question would be a "no" | 15:32 |
| acydlord | but it's not :p | 15:32 |
| acydlord | open your camera, and rotate the 770 upside down so you can still see the screen | 15:32 |
| acydlord | err 800 | 15:32 |
| * shackan makes a try | 15:32 | |
| timeless | fwiw, it's n800, please don't forget the n | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | acydlord: err, yes - does what I'd expect; unless I'm missing something. | 15:33 |
| timeless | both in any presentations you make and any software you write | 15:33 |
| acydlord | in the camera app it flipped the image | 15:34 |
| timeless | feel free to complain to nokia about the n if you like, but they'll ignore you :) | 15:34 |
| acydlord | thats right, they added it to the n series | 15:34 |
| shackan | ok, pulled the camera, rotated the tablet, what am I supposed to see now ? | 15:35 |
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| Jaffa | acydlord: 1) open the camera: see yourself; 2) turn the N800 through 180 degrees, imagining an axis from you, through the screen. It will now be upside down and still facing you; 3) you'll still appear the right way up => image not flipped. | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | This was discussed on ITT, people displayed a distinct lack of knowledge of how a video camera and TV works. | 15:35 |
| shackan | well.. lol | 15:36 |
| acydlord | my brain is failing me this morning | 15:38 |
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| acydlord | dissregard my noobishness on that one lol | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:39 |
| shackan | anyway, I'm noticing the plastic layer on the screen is scratched WAY TOO EASILY, I use the utmost care with the pen but I really couln't avoid leaving scratches on it, it that normal ? | 15:39 |
| kkito | you can detect the camera movement, when there are enough movement you can do the screen rotation.... 1- open the webcam, 2-move the webcam (movement detected), 3- the screen is rotated 4- close the webcam | 15:39 |
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| kkito | and the same to rotate the screen again | 15:39 |
| kkito | anyways this is high cpu intensive | 15:40 |
| acydlord | i havent had any scratches on my n800, my 770 has a few hideous ones though | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | shackan: keeping the thin plastic layer on it which came with it, or the actual screen itself? | 15:41 |
| shackan | Jaffa, I left the plastic on | 15:41 |
| acydlord | bah, my text editor can't detect the charset for the files in /usr/share/zoneinfo | 15:41 |
| kkito | a "mouse" gestures feature could be cool... press the "joyupad" middle button and without release the button write the gesture to the screen | 15:41 |
| kkito | to rotate, full screen, close app, etc etc.... | 15:42 |
| shackan | Jaffa, was I supposed to remove the plastic ? | 15:42 |
| acydlord | that would be pretty sweet | 15:42 |
| acydlord | yeah, you're supposed to remove that plastic | 15:42 |
| shackan | ... | 15:43 |
| acydlord | if you're referring to the vinyl cling in the packaging | 15:43 |
| shackan | why is it there in the first place then ? | 15:43 |
| acydlord | to protect the screen during shipping and such | 15:43 |
| shackan | acydlord, I mean the adesive layer | 15:43 |
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| shackan | well, good to know, I'll get rid of it once it becomes too scratched | 15:44 |
| acydlord | can someone get me plaintext of the /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Arizona file so i can update me clock? :) | 15:46 |
| melmoth | acydlord ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/ ?? | 15:56 |
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| melmoth | not 100% sure this is what you are looking for; but i guess it is | 15:56 |
| acydlord | nope, i need the x and y coord for the osso-clock so i can add my city | 15:59 |
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| hrw | ~lart nokia | 16:13 |
| hrw | I wonder how device with so poor software support can get such popularity.... | 16:13 |
| hrw | ah.. marketing... | 16:13 |
| acydlord | it's nothing compared to the miracle windows pulled with vista | 16:17 |
| acydlord | it's not even compatible with some microsoft software still | 16:17 |
| osfameron | also, it's an internet tablet and the internet application works well | 16:17 |
| osfameron | the fact that the media player and rss reader suck rocks is beside the point | 16:18 |
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| osfameron | to be fair, the ssh client is rather nice | 16:18 |
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| hrw | osfameron: too bad that you need to hunt for extra applications instead of just select them in package manager | 16:19 |
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| osfameron | hrw: yeah, the default config of the package repos is poor | 16:21 |
| acydlord | my main qualm with it is the lack of certian time zones, and the email client needs features | 16:21 |
| osfameron | I like the "Install now" functionality on some sites | 16:21 |
| osfameron | I've not used the email client yet | 16:21 |
| osfameron | I wish the RSS reader worked, it would be really cute | 16:21 |
| lardman | hrw: That is the goal of the MUD project, remove the need to hunt about | 16:21 |
| osfameron | what is MUD ? | 16:21 |
| acydlord | rss reader works fine for me | 16:21 |
| lardman | hrw: Using OE would be even better | 16:21 |
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| lardman | osfameron: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mud-builder/ | 16:22 |
| osfameron | acydlord: really? I have 2 problems - 1) some RSS feeds cause it to crash, and 2) the scrolling is completely broken on very long pages | 16:22 |
| hrw | lardman: OE lack maemo stuff | 16:22 |
| acydlord | well yeah thescrolling on the rss reader does suck | 16:22 |
| lardman | hrw: I just want it to build packages and stick them in a feed for me | 16:22 |
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| lardman | hrw: A maemo-ised package is just one with some extra patches, etc. | 16:23 |
| osfameron | acydlord: more than sucking, it's broken. Sometimes it's almost impossible to scroll past an entry that it seems to want to stay on... | 16:23 |
| acydlord | i had the same problem with the rss reader on the 770, i think someone mapped the scroll inputs to the wrong pixels lol | 16:24 |
| osfameron | lardman: ta | 16:24 |
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| hrw | uf! Polish locale installed | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | osfameron: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ is prettier than the garage page ;-) | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | IMNSHO | 16:28 |
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| chuller | hi | 16:29 |
| osfameron | Jaffa: so it is! | 16:30 |
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| koen | hrw: I'll have a look at adding maemo4 (aka hildon-one) to OE after I finish writing my presentations and lab assignments | 16:31 |
| lardman | koen: Do you plan on adding all of the maemo packages? Or a maemo config? | 16:32 |
| koen | lardman: I'll add just enough bits to build maemo-mapper | 16:32 |
| koen | lardman: dunno what the rest of the OE devs will add | 16:32 |
| lardman | koen: Ah, fair enough, so it'll have all the assume provided bits, or a replacement of the csl toolchain? | 16:33 |
| chuller | anyone here ever used the navicore navigation software for n770 ? Should it work on n800 as well ? | 16:33 |
| koen | I want to run hildon stuff on !nokia devices | 16:34 |
| lardman | koen: oh right | 16:34 |
| koen | so I don't give a shit about crappy toolchains | 16:34 |
| lardman | koen: I was just wanting to remain compatible with the Nokia stuff, but still use OE/bitbake to build packages (& deps) without all the fannying about | 16:34 |
| * lardman thinks that sounds like the Sharp 'ROM' ;) | 16:35 | |
| koen | that's a nice goal, but I'm not going to spend time on that | 16:35 |
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| lardman | koen: If i have assume_provided | 16:35 |
| lardman | oops | 16:35 |
| lardman | assume_provided_libc=some_nokia_version, will it be copied into tmp or used in place? Same with toolchain, etc. | 16:36 |
| shackan | when I connect to a wep network, what type of key type does the n800 connection manager assume ? it doesn't ask for any | 16:37 |
| koen | it will be assumed to be provided | 16:37 |
| koen | so you have to place it in staging/lib yourself | 16:37 |
| lardman | I see | 16:37 |
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| hrw | lardman: currently nokia 770/800 is like sharprom | 16:43 |
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| hrw | hm. bt in n770 support more then one BT connection in same time? | 16:46 |
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| Veggen | hrw: yes. | 16:46 |
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| hrw | FSCK.....R@#$%#^*#&^%(*#GUIRWGH@IO#%@ | 16:47 |
| lardman | hrw: Yes, but I don't have any real problem with that atm, I just want to be able to build stuff easily | 16:47 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia morons | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | What now? ;-) | 16:47 |
| lardman | Though more info about the dsp would of course still be appreciated | 16:48 |
| hrw | installing software on nokia is ..... and .... and ....!#$. | 16:48 |
| hrw | dependency hell like in redhat few years ago, like in sharprom... | 16:48 |
| hrw | to install maemo-mapper you need: install sqlite3 (by hand), libxau (by hand) and then maemo-mapper | 16:48 |
| lardman | Indeed, for those who wonder at hrw's outbursts, you should try openzaurus on a Zaurus, all the deps are available and install automatically. I hope Nokia will go that way | 16:49 |
| hrw | device should be EASY to use | 16:49 |
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| hrw | nokia did n770 in own style.. their phones are 'easy' so why not tablets? :D | 16:50 |
| lardman | because other people want to add stuff! | 16:50 |
| Veggen | mmm, all of this isn't nokias fault. | 16:50 |
| lardman | no, it's not | 16:51 |
| hrw | Veggen: then why there is NO repository with SOFTWARE? | 16:51 |
| acydlord | i don't have any problem with the way programs are added on the tablets, i'm used to debian so i'm right at home | 16:51 |
| tomboh | hrw: I installed maemo-mapper using the Package front-end and it automatically dealt with its dependencies | 16:51 |
| Veggen | It would help if the Nokia community could agree on a repository to use ;) (the "extras", probably) | 16:51 |
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| glas5 | openzaurus is not by sharp either.. | 16:51 |
| hrw | tomboh: which repositories had to add? | 16:51 |
| Veggen | eh, the maemo community | 16:51 |
| lardman | hrw: Have you added the repository.maemo.org repos? | 16:51 |
| hrw | lardman: extra one | 16:51 |
| tomboh | hrw: it was a gregale repo from mamo extras, IIRC | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | dum-de-dum, hrw must be living in some alternative universe | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | installing maemo mapper was a single click for me | 16:52 |
| tomboh | I don't have my 770 to hand, unfortunately | 16:52 |
| acydlord | does anyone know how to synch osso-clock with tzconfig? | 16:52 |
| lardman | hrw: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories | 16:52 |
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| mgedmin | the single-click install files help dealing with the repository mess, although I sometimes have doubts whether it is a step in the right direction | 16:52 |
| lardman | hrw: add the Maemo repository | 16:53 |
| lardman | mgedmin: what does single click do, does it add the repo as well as installing? | 16:53 |
| tomboh | lardman: none of those repos contain the latest maemo-mapper as it's only in the gregale repo for 770 | 16:53 |
| Veggen | mgedmin: fewer repositories is better. I don't really like things automatically messing with my sources.list. | 16:53 |
| tomboh | it's not in mistral | 16:53 |
| lardman | tomboh: No, but libXXX is probably in there | 16:53 |
| hrw | mgedmin: I maintain OpenZaurus for years | 16:53 |
| acydlord | i installed maemo-mapper from one of the repos with no problems | 16:54 |
| lardman | likewise, but I'd already added lots of extras to pull in the extra libraries | 16:54 |
| lardman | s/extras/extra repos | 16:54 |
| acydlord | yeah, first thing i did when i got home with the n800 was added all the repos they had listed in the wiki | 16:54 |
| hrw | mgedmin: last release had 12000 packages available - 3-4 thousands of source packages was used to build repository | 16:55 |
| lardman | hrw: Agreed, this is why all of the various repos ought to be centralised, though not necessarily by Nokia | 16:55 |
| acydlord | if i could only get this clock problem fixed i'd be happy for now | 16:55 |
| lardman | hrw: Which is where MUD or OE steps in | 16:55 |
| hrw | lardman: I just wonder why after about 2 years from release of n770 it is still not done | 16:56 |
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| lardman | hrw: OE took a while to happen | 16:56 |
| hrw | lardman: even sharprom users got repository with OE software | 16:57 |
| lardman | hrw: Only because OE existed though. People reach the limits of what they can do (compiling things themselves), then they look for another way; that's much like what happened for openzaurus. | 16:58 |
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| lardman | hrw: I think that as more devices and software versions cohabit (and therefore need to be built and maintained), there may be even more drive to automate the building and patching, which is what OE stemmed from | 16:59 |
| osfameronx | what's OE? | 16:59 |
| lardman | OpenEmbedded | 16:59 |
| lardman | http://openembedded.org | 16:59 |
| osfameronx | looks like the same kind of thing as scratchbox ? | 17:00 |
| hrw | osfameronx: buildsystem capable of building packages, toolchains, distributions for many different machines/architectures | 17:00 |
| hrw | osfameronx: more then | 17:00 |
| * timeless wonders how friendly the flasher is to random platforms | 17:00 | |
| timeless | has anyone here looked at how the osx flasher works? :) | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | Part of the problem with the extras repository stems from the version/codename mess that Maemo 2.x/3.0 had. ie. "mistral/scirocco/gregale" all effectively being compatible, and often compatible with bora | 17:00 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: reverse engineering the USB protocol is your best bet. | 17:01 |
| timeless | jaffa: not quite on my todo list | 17:01 |
| lardman | Jaffa: At the moment they are compatible, but that needn't be the case forever | 17:01 |
| lardman | Does anyone know whether a .install file can be used to just add a repo? Do they act temporarily by adding the repo to install some package, or is the repo then saved for later use too? | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | lardman: no, and when they're not compatible, change the version number. Debian don't change "sarge" to "bob" when they change a version. | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | lardman: they can just add a repo, I believe. And the repos remain. | 17:03 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Cool, thanks | 17:03 |
| lardman | Jaffa: There should be some install files on the http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories page then | 17:03 |
| lardman | IMO anyway | 17:04 |
| suihkulokki | Well I think it's stupid to make give codenames to releases that are 100% bugfixes only | 17:04 |
| suihkulokki | 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 where all just bugfixes | 17:04 |
| * Jaffa wonders if we'd be better off just getting rid of all of the mistral/scirocco/gregale/bora distinction, and just use "Depends: maemo (>= 3.0)" in the package. | 17:04 | |
| Jaffa | lardman: agreed | 17:04 |
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| lardman | The version thing would be solved by depending on a Maemo package, or on any other package that is updated between the versions. But this assumes a single repo that holds all of the debs for a given release | 17:07 |
| hrw | Jaffa: and make people more annoyed because they have soft in package manager and cant install it | 17:07 |
| lardman | hrw: How's this done with OZ, I can't remember | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | lardman: yes, the point is that it'd make it easier for both users and developers to use ExtrasRepository | 17:07 |
| shackan | bloody hell, I just feel so dumb, iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc essid .... channel 1 key restricted .... and the bloody tablet does not connect (at least, it gets no dhcp) | 17:07 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Yes it would indeed | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | hrw: maybe. But that can be solved in the UI. | 17:08 |
| lardman | Or by not adding repos that they can't install stuff from | 17:08 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: by testing ALL packages descriptions to know which are installable? you are insane | 17:08 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: eh? it's only the system meta-package you need to worry about, presumably other dependencies would be resolvable. And when in-place upgrades are possible, you can lift the restriction anyway. | 17:09 |
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| Jaffa | Hildon App Mgr is already parsing Maemo-Icon-26 from every package description to render an icon, checking a Depends: maemo (>= 3.0) should be perfectly doable. | 17:11 |
| hrw | ok | 17:11 |
| hrw | I have to go | 17:11 |
| hrw | cu | 17:11 |
| lardman | bye hrw | 17:11 |
| lardman | Jaffa: So that's why it's so damn slow! | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | bye | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | lardman: :) | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | Hell, you could even filter them at the `apt-get update' stage. | 17:12 |
| lardman | Yes, that would probably be the best way, though then it becomes a bit more non-standard | 17:12 |
| lardman | Why not just separate the repos/feeds, and then for a last check depend on maemoX.x.x too | 17:13 |
| lardman | which is much like what we have atm | 17:13 |
| acydlord | can i edit a text file from osso-xterm without installing vi? | 17:13 |
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| lardman | with the official repository.maemo.org stuff | 17:13 |
| lardman | acydlord: vi is installed by default isn't it? | 17:13 |
| acydlord | not on the n800 | 17:14 |
| acydlord | oh, guess it is =x | 17:14 |
| acydlord | i need either coffee or sleep | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | lardman: because as a developer I don't want to compile the same thing 4 times and upload it to loads of different repositories (even using mud); as a user I don't want to add mistral repositories to my N800 in case it contains software which isn't compatible. but I've got to, as a minor API change occurs and a whole new repo is required. | 17:14 |
| acydlord | now i just need to remember how to use vi | 17:15 |
| lardman | Jaffa: That's where MUD should handle deps, and auto build for different distros (like OE/bitbake) | 17:16 |
| lardman | I think that's the point hrw was trying to get across: when a new openzaurus release is produced, it comes with a whole feed of packages that have been compiled to be compatible with it | 17:17 |
| lardman | the same sort of thing would be good for the various maemo releases | 17:17 |
| lardman | especially for third party applications | 17:17 |
| devesh | acylord: isnt nano there ??? | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | lardman: agreed, but we're a way off from that. | 17:19 |
| acydlord | nope | 17:19 |
| acydlord | nano isnt in xterm | 17:19 |
| Tak | makes sense - nano requires ctrl+blah to do anything | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | maemo-hackers xterm lets you use ctrl+blah | 17:21 |
| Tak | yeah, but it didn't always ;-) | 17:21 |
| Tak | at least not without fun menu exploration | 17:21 |
| acydlord | the menu key lets you do ctrl+blah also | 17:21 |
| kkito | who downloaded my qt4 build? | 17:22 |
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| * Jaffa wanted screenshots not a tarball ;-) | 17:23 | |
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| Jaffa | kkito: Although it's cool you've got it working. | 17:24 |
| kkito | Jaffa, you downloaded the qt4? you must to try the qt designer or the qt demo, all the widgets on qt desiigner are really fast and responsive, and the dialogs etc load very fast. | 17:25 |
| devesh | kkito : do you have any link ? instructions. Would be interested to followup | 17:25 |
| kkito | devesh, 83.56.186.155:8002 | 17:26 |
| bipolar | kkito: is someone building qt4 for maemo? | 17:26 |
| kkito | you onky must to extract the package with tar -xvzf qt4.tar.gz -C /path_where_do_you_want_to_install | 17:26 |
| bipolar | kkito: is it integrated well? | 17:26 |
| kkito | i have it on /opt | 17:26 |
| devesh | kkito, so do i just untar it on the device . I have a n770 | 17:26 |
| kkito | no no, no integration, only make it to build and run | 17:27 |
| kkito | devesh, i compiled for the n800 | 17:27 |
| bipolar | kkito: ok. | 17:27 |
| devesh | kkito : should not matter as the toolchains are the same. | 17:27 |
| kkito | then you can try | 17:27 |
| devesh | kkito : cool .. downloading ...... | 17:28 |
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| lardman | devesh: As long as it doesn't need floating point/hasn't been compiled to use vfp | 17:28 |
| devesh | kkito : so it runs on x window as framebuffer ??? or just use the n800 framebuffer | 17:28 |
| kkito | it is qt X11 | 17:28 |
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| kkito | it renders with X11 and Xrender | 17:29 |
| devesh | lardman: i think, there is compatibility on that level . no ? | 17:29 |
| devesh | would need to check .. does it say something about that issue somewhere ? | 17:30 |
| kkito | i dont use any Cflags to enable the vfp | 17:30 |
| devesh | kkito : what about input ? does it have some kind of vkb ? | 17:31 |
| kkito | devesh, no | 17:31 |
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| shackan | please bear with me for a second, iwconfig eth1 essid id mode ad-hoc key restricted 00000 on my laptop, I use the same key on the n800, what's wrong ? | 17:33 |
| florian | hey devesh | 17:33 |
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| devesh | florian: hi .. been a while | 17:33 |
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| manaPirat | hi guys :) | 17:34 |
| florian | devesh: yes indeed, how are you? | 17:34 |
| manaPirat | well uhm, can you tell me what the cleanest solution fis to get net-tools or similar (ping, telnet, wget ...) for my N770? | 17:34 |
| manaPirat | shall i install http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.2/free/b/busybox/busybox_1.01-4.osso12_armel.deb? i heard that net-tools isnt compatible :-/ | 17:36 |
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| mgedmin | manaPirat: don't | 17:43 |
| manaPirat | no? | 17:43 |
| manaPirat | you cant tell or i shouldn? ;) | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | if you upgrade the busybox on the 770 with a different one, you may render your 770 unbootable | 17:43 |
| manaPirat | uh .. ok | 17:44 |
| manaPirat | that was close :D | 17:44 |
| * manaPirat canceling | 17:44 | |
| mgedmin | the one in repository.maemo.org is intended for scratchbox and doesn't have some of the plugins that the 770 needs | 17:44 |
| Veggen | nothing that a reflash can't fix, though ;-P | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | (another good way to brick a 770 is to run sudo apt-get upgrade, or try to upgrade maemo-launcher) | 17:44 |
| manaPirat | hmm ... so .. .. eh ;) .. is there a clean way? | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | yes, a reflash fixes almost everything | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | there should be a package with ping etc. | 17:45 |
| manaPirat | just want to ping :-/ .. broadcast :D | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | but I don't know if there is one | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | I haven't looked yet | 17:45 |
| Veggen | mgedmin: The unbrickability is a thing Nokia have got right, at least :) Hard to brick totally. | 17:45 |
| manaPirat | ok, thanks for the warning, saved me :D | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | Veggen: try dropping it from some height | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | shouldn't be too hard :) | 17:46 |
| manaPirat | *sigh no net* | 17:46 |
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| shackan | I'm seriously going to trow a chair out of the window | 17:50 |
| manaPirat | hmm what du yoi think about how this guy does it ... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/15521#15521 | 17:51 |
| manaPirat | eeh "do you" | 17:51 |
| shackan | a wep ad-hoc connection with my laptop, it's that simple, still no way to make that work | 17:51 |
| kkito | for the people that downloaded the qt4, run qtconfig first, and change the theme (Plastique is nice...) and set the default font size to 14 | 17:51 |
| shackan | maddler, hi | 17:51 |
| maddler | shackan: hi | 17:51 |
| manaPirat | hi | 17:51 |
| Jaffa | lo maddler | 17:54 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: heya dude! | 17:55 |
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| devesh | does anyone knows how to enable hildon theme for a gtk application launched as sudo ? | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | can you not launch the application with sudo? | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | on recent ubuntu systems synaptic runs as user, then invokes gksu for the actual package installation | 18:27 |
| devesh | mgedmin : yes for desktop with a proper concept of multiuser not like n770 | 18:27 |
| k-s | devesh: on maemo, try to run with run-standalone | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | how does the application manager work? it also needs root, and it is themed | 18:27 |
| devesh | k-s: isnt that more for scratchbox | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | are the sources of the app manager available? | 18:28 |
| k-s | devesh: no, it sets environment | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | I think so, for some reason | 18:28 |
| k-s | mgedmin: yes, look at the repository.maemo.org | 18:28 |
| neal | devesh : Why don't you use a sub-process which runs as root and communicate with that? | 18:28 |
| devesh | mgedmin : application manager is better architected, it has a worker process running as root , and the UI i think talks over pipe | 18:28 |
| neal | devesh : Then you also control the complexity of the privileged code | 18:28 |
| devesh | neal : yes, but it would involve quite much rewrite of synaptic :( | 18:29 |
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| Jaffa | devesh: running the entirety of a GUI app as root isn't great, you should be able to use the existing app manager's sudo entries so users won't even need to gainroot. | 18:29 |
| devesh | jaffa : i agree with you ... but as i said, it would be going away from synaptic common code base | 18:30 |
| devesh | jaffa : i would have preffered more the gksu approach | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | does gksu work on the 770? | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | devesh: how does it invoke apt? system("apt-get", "install", packages) ? | 18:31 |
| devesh | mgedmin : not yet ;) would require the xomap to run with auth etc ... | 18:31 |
| devesh | jaffa : all over ipc pipe's .. using a proprietary (though source is available) protocol | 18:32 |
| devesh | mgedmin : would also mean that user need to know his/her root password | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | you mean, xomap doesn't support xauth? | 18:33 |
| manaPirat | aaah .. hacking in busybox works :) | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | isn't that part of the core protocol? | 18:33 |
| manaPirat | but i picked the wrong build, the one without ping -.- | 18:33 |
| devesh | mgedmin : yes it supports but it is not by default launched with those flags | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | actually, I once tried to make sudo update-manager passwordless on my ubuntu system, and that broke it completely | 18:34 |
| acydlord | wordpress = the slow on n800 | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | I began to suspect that gksu/gksudo doesn't support passwordless sudo | 18:34 |
| devesh | mgedmin : but i suspect even with gksu, i would still run in that theme problem | 18:34 |
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| devesh | maybe best bet is to try run-standalone, i have though never tried that on device | 18:35 |
| devesh | and i think that still will not work ... i think the moment you sudo .. env is reset except for HOME and DISPLAY | 18:36 |
| k-s | devesh: run sudo run-standalone.sh | 18:37 |
| k-s | devesh: run sudo run-standalone.sh app | 18:37 |
| devesh | k-s : i will give it a shot | 18:38 |
| devesh | k-s : but does that mean i will have to add run-standalone.sh to sudoer file . that would be nasty | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | make your app a shell script that runs-standalone.sh on your app.bin | 18:40 |
| k-s | devesh: add your own wrapper, that does run-standalone | 18:40 |
| k-s | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nrun-standalone.sh synaptic' > /usr/bin/synaptic.sh | 18:41 |
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| manaPirat | yeha :D | 18:42 |
| * manaPirat pings arround | 18:42 | |
| manaPirat | eeeh | 18:42 |
| manaPirat | can you tell me how to type ctrl+x on maemo? :P | 18:42 |
| manaPirat | aah ok sorry .. right mosue button | 18:43 |
| * mgedmin blinks | 18:43 | |
| manaPirat | ;) | 18:43 |
| keesj | in the xterm it is possible using the menu | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | or the toolbar | 18:43 |
| manaPirat | indeed, thx :) | 18:45 |
| manaPirat | i love homegrew .. the point where "nothing can be done" is pushed further | 18:46 |
| manaPirat | away | 18:46 |
| manaPirat | time so find out if the adhook wlan panasonic beamer in the meeting room has an ip and ports ............. | 18:47 |
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| devesh | mgedmin : cool that works :) | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | yay | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | (whatever that is) | 18:49 |
| bedboi | is there any documentation about how to write a widget for hildon? | 18:49 |
| bedboi | i mean hildon only supports toplevel windows | 18:52 |
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| bipolar | kkito: what are your plans on using qt4 on the 800? I've done programing with qt4 and would love to be able to use it. A Kontact port would be awesome too. :D | 19:18 |
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| bipolar | although kontact is currently qt3 | 19:18 |
| kkito | bipolar, hmmf but kontact iis kde... | 19:18 |
| bipolar | kkito: kontact would require kdelib, but not the entire kde system. | 19:19 |
| bipolar | kkito: but it's qt3 anyway, so it would have to wait until it was ported as part of kde 4. | 19:19 |
| kkito | perhaps the development snapshots compiles with qt4 :? | 19:20 |
| kkito | well first we must to integrate the qt4 to the maemo, making the vkb to popup, fullscreen button, and right mouse button to run.... | 19:22 |
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| kkito | bipolar, we have http://www.thekompany.com/projects/aethera/screenshots.php3?PHPSESSID=44ea32ac253d9f6ab8dce3d72a98144d is like kontac | 19:30 |
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| bipolar | kkito: I've tried that. it, uh. sucks. :\ | 19:32 |
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| bipolar | at least on windows. havn't tried the linux version | 19:33 |
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| bipolar | I was actualy thinking about trying to install colinux and ubuntu just to get kontact on windows, but I'm not sure how well it would work. | 19:35 |
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| hrw | someone remember/know which PIM supports alarms on n770/800 and it2007? | 19:40 |
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| mgedmin | osso-clock | 19:41 |
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| mgedmin | on n800/it2007 | 19:41 |
| hrw | mgedmin: osso-clock sounds more like alarmclock then pim.. | 19:41 |
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| mgedmin | it supports many (optionally recurring) alarms, with a single-line description | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | it does not work very reliably, though | 19:42 |
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| mgedmin | yesterday it didn't ring in the morning, but instead decided to activate my 9 am alarm in the afternoon when I clicked on the globe icon in the statusbar | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | go figure | 19:42 |
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| hrw | in other words: there is such one | 19:44 |
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| thomasvs | hi. My n800 locked up. I had to take out the battery. Now it doesn't properly boot. The boot log shows that there is a problem with an erase block on the root file system. | 20:05 |
| thomasvs | What can I use to extract the jffs2 root and analyze it on my machine ? | 20:05 |
| trenka | boot from mmc ? | 20:06 |
| thomasvs | trenka: ok, and after that ? | 20:06 |
| trenka | I guess you can use mtd subsystem for your purposes | 20:07 |
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| guerby | keesj, my ISP provides SIP so I installed gizmo and used the SIP capability of gizmo | 20:13 |
| guerby | keesj, I believe gizmo also provide SIP if you pay | 20:14 |
| panthar | Is there an equivalent to home-image-loader in os2007? I'm looking to convert some older themes to install cleanly. | 20:19 |
| panthar | And one of the steps in the postinst calls /usr/bin/home-image-loader | 20:20 |
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| kender | hello | 20:53 |
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| keesj | hi | 21:01 |
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| guerby | keesj, my ISP provides SIP so I installed gizmo and used the SIP capability of gizmo | 21:04 |
| guerby | keesj, I believe gizmo also provide SIP if you pay | 21:04 |
| keesj | i will have to ask my provider | 21:05 |
| kender | hey keesj ;-) | 21:08 |
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| kender | thanks for asking in the mailing about the project :) | 21:08 |
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| keesj | kender it really is getting impressive. perhaps the message is not clear? | 21:12 |
| kender | "We kender is I have started porting an application " | 21:14 |
| kender | that's the only thing that I don't understand | 21:14 |
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| keesj | yes /me bad | 21:17 |
| kender | but, avoiding that (I think that the message is understandable cutting that, you can imaging what to put there) everything else is understandable | 21:18 |
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| cxmac | hi all | 21:41 |
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| lirelent | hello | 22:37 |
| lirelent | anyone know how to get around the "permission denied error" when running binaries off the mmc card? | 22:40 |
| koen | you mounted it with -o user? | 22:41 |
| lirelent | i just pluged it in | 22:41 |
| lirelent | but even running it as root doesn't work | 22:42 |
| lirelent | and chmod 777 doesn't change the flags | 22:42 |
| lirelent | until i move it to internal flash | 22:42 |
| suihkulokki | that FAT filesystem for you | 22:42 |
| lirelent | then chmod 777 works | 22:42 |
| lirelent | and it runs just fine | 22:42 |
| lirelent | suihkulokki that's what google seems to indicate | 22:43 |
| lirelent | so should I just try to format it as ext2? | 22:43 |
| lirelent | or 3 for that matter? | 22:43 |
| s-ndh-c | lirelent: try mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc1 | 22:47 |
| s-ndh-c | that seems to work for me | 22:47 |
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| lirelent | is there a way to always mount the card exec? | 22:48 |
| s-ndh-c | i guess editing the fstab file would be the way | 22:48 |
| s-ndh-c | never tried that | 22:49 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:49 |
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| lirelent | i have to admit haking the n770 is world easier then the sl-5500 | 22:51 |
| lirelent | nicer device too | 22:51 |
| Tak | too bad sharp never marketed the clamshell models in the us | 22:52 |
| glas5 | clamshells would have been nice | 22:52 |
| glas5 | 5500 was nice for it's time | 22:52 |
| glas5 | coupled with the first gprs phones.. | 22:52 |
| lirelent | well no luck with editing the fstab | 22:59 |
| lirelent | that's annoying | 22:59 |
| lirelent | though the remount trick does work | 22:59 |
| lirelent | is there a startup script that gets run that I could add that to? | 22:59 |
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| tigert | man. forgot canola passwd. where does it keep it? | 23:11 |
| Tak | time to reflash :-P | 23:12 |
| lirelent | hehe @ Tak yea I've done that a few times the last few days | 23:13 |
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| lsobral | tigert, no need to reflash, you can remove the canola database, in ~/.canola/canola.db | 23:21 |
| lsobral | the password is stored encrypted in this database | 23:23 |
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| florian__ | re | 23:32 |
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| konttori | I'm having trouble with .desktop entry for a python file. For some reason the file isn't working when I run it from the extras folder. Is there a log that might help me see why that is? | 23:34 |
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| konttori | when I run from console python app.py, it works. even if I run it python /usr/bin/app , it works. | 23:35 |
| konttori | But it doesn't run with /usr/bin/app . SHould it run with that comman in console? | 23:36 |
| tigert | ok cool | 23:36 |
| konttori | Any ideas? | 23:37 |
| konttori | so, the desktop and service files seem to be working properly, but the app isn't opening. | 23:40 |
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| konttori | are capital letters illegal for a service name? | 23:41 |
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| Tak | does app begin with #!/usr/bin/python (or whatever) ? | 23:43 |
| konttori | #! /usr/bin/env python | 23:43 |
| konttori | yeah | 23:43 |
| konttori | If I try to run it as /usr/bin/app, I get: No such file or directory | 23:44 |
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| Tak | try stripping out the space between #! and /u ? | 23:44 |
| konttori | thanks | 23:45 |
| konttori | might help | 23:45 |
| konttori | could be that the correct is: #!/usr/bin/env python2.5 | 23:49 |
| Tak | well, does `env python` get you anything from the shell? | 23:49 |
| konttori | yeah | 23:50 |
| konttori | ok, so it does not matter if its python or python2.5 | 23:50 |
| konttori | oh, do I have to import hildon or osso? | 23:51 |
| konttori | is the osso context mandatory? | 23:51 |
| Tak | I wouldn't think so if the app runs when you call python explicitly | 23:52 |
| Tak | or are we on to a different issue? | 23:52 |
| konttori | yeah, app runs from python just fine | 23:52 |
| konttori | and we're still in the same issue | 23:52 |
| konttori | app isn't running from console | 23:53 |
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| konttori | I still get the no such file or dir. | 23:59 |
| Tak | how about replacing the env line with /usr/bin/python ? | 23:59 |
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