IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-02-26

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c0ffeehum hum00:42
c0ffeenow all i need are super mario roms it seams00:42
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Molagidoes the emulator work properly on n800?00:51
b0unc3I made a mistake in the background function of an home plugin... and every time this function is called nokia reboots, how I can solve ?00:51
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c0ffeei still lack a game to test it00:55
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_acyd_c0ffee, which emulator?01:02
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Molagiis xmame still being slow or has the problems been fixed01:04
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acydlordi havent tested xmame yet, tried fceu with xmaeme yesterday01:04
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Takxmame will be slow until someone hand-implements arm-optimized code01:15
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emypanyone here familiar w/ scratchbox 2? i'm looking for a way to build armel packages from my mac os x (ppc)01:23
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lle2emyp: o/01:28
emyphi lle :)01:28
lle2that's going to be a little interesting...01:29
* emyp goes back to hunting for git01:29
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lle2emyp: os x doesn't use glibc, sb2 very much depends on it01:35
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jeepersHey... just for those that may search on this.01:36
jeepersI "fixed" the device.01:36
lle2emyp: but if you could maybe run let's say debian-ppc or some such then it could work01:36
jeepersIf you experience issues like I described above (today) then you should reflash the device and turn on developer mode.01:37
emypbut i like os x :)01:37
lle2emyp: I don't know if you could run it simply inside a chroot01:37
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lle2emyp: I know, I'm using os x myself right now ;)01:37
emypso you should make it work ;-)01:37
jeepersthat fixed it... i still don't know what caused it and why that fixed it but i'll tell Nokia about it and see what they say01:37
lle2emyp: now that's a *lot* easier said than done.. :)01:38
jeepersi'll also report back if turning off developer mode breaks it again01:38
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disqosx doesn't use glibc? why? :)01:39
lle2maybe apple didn't like to call it gnu/osx01:41
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b0unc3Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown <-- someone know what it mean ?01:44
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jacquesit means you cannot send a request after the transport endpoint shuts down01:45
jacquesa better question would be "why did the transport endpoint shut down?"01:46
emyplle2: so, there's fink and macports, are either of them apt based?01:46
lle2emyp: fink is, I think01:47
lle2emyp: but it doesn't provide glibc, at least the version I have01:47
emypso conceptually would it be possible w/ basic cross tools to repurpose fink for cross compiling?01:47
emypi don't really need to test on my mac, just build a package and install it on my device01:48
lle2yeah, in principle yes01:48
jacquesI wonder if a version of mplayer which works (somewhat) again on the N800 will be released soon01:48
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jacquesthe .10 version is bad for the N80001:48
lle2emyp: simplest thing to do is to hack together a custom debian package creation script for your package01:50
lle2emyp: but all this is quite academic since you lack also the toolchain01:51
lle2I'd recommend you to get debian running on your mac, maybe in a virtual machine or something01:51
lle2unless you really want to work on build tools01:52
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emypyeah my friend says i need to get code sourcery 2006 q3 set up (cross compile ... )01:54
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viewhi, just testing out IRC on my 77002:00
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Takme too :-p02:04
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viewhas gaim stopped working on the nokia 770 for anyone else?02:07
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acydlordit still works on my 77002:27
viewI can't get it to work, though it used to02:32
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disqinstalling debian-eabi to mmc04:17
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viewon the 770, has anyone successfully cross-compiled a terminal program?05:40
Tak*on* the 770, or for the 770?05:41
viewbasically, is it possible to do?05:42
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Taknot really05:47
Takessentially it's a direct recompile unless there's some weird lib you need05:48
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viewI'd like to try and compile a program from source that runs in the terminal, the compile that to run on ARM05:49
spidergoatview, you need to do some learning05:50
viewyeah, I know.05:51
viewthat's why I'm here05:51
spidergoati do also05:51
Takis a good place to start05:56
viewto cross compile something, I could do it on another machine?05:56
viewok thanks05:56
Takyeah, you do it on a pc05:57
viewwhat about a mac?05:59
Takgood question05:59
viewa mac is all I've got, with XP in parallels06:01
Suliswell a mac is only a pc now anyway06:02
Takthere's a vmware player image floating around that has the environment preconfigured06:02
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gnuitedoes ossohelp_dialog_help_enable() work on ordinary dialog boxes?  The example in the Help Framework HOWTO uses a HildonColorSelector, but it doesn't have to be a hildon-specific dialog, right?  gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons() will work fine?06:10
gnuiteI ask because it doesn't seem to be working for me...06:11
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risk23hey folks, i've just got a new n800 and, despite adding all the bora repos i could find, installs of various packages fail because of missing library dependencies, namely things like libXau, libglade etc. searched wiki, faq and googled. any ideas?06:43
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tigerti have it. lemme see08:36
tigertis there an apt commandline to check where something comes from?08:37
tigertwait, switching to subway08:37
tigerthm. and its 2 hours since anyway. i bet you left the channel already and i am talkig to myself :)08:38
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zuhtigert: apt-cache policy <pkg>08:45
tigertgood to know :)08:45
tigerti filter out parts and joins so i sometimes miss people leaving08:46
* zuh too08:47
zuhCan't stand the noise that generates08:47
zuhI'm even considering ignoring nick changes (due to people using away-nicks)08:48
tigertit spoilsthe channel activity stuff08:49
zuhIf a well-populated channel is ~idle all day, the backlog is all "foo|lunch is now known as foo|scratchingmyass"08:49
zuhWith the most important message of your life embedded somewhere deep within08:50
tigertyeah :)08:50
* zuh . o O ( although, if the most important message of your life is in IRC, you don't really have a life... )08:53
mukssame, if join and part messages can ruin your day ;)08:55
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JaffaMorning, all11:03
fish_anybody knows a vmware image/"appliance" with maemo+scratchbox for the _n770_?11:04
fish_i'v found one for the n80011:05
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AD-N770good morning11:17
lardmanAnyone have a pointer to some examples of using gdb (to track down segfaults)?11:17
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lardmanIs it possible to get gdb to give me a list of the calling functions running up to my segfault?11:27
Veggenbt ?11:28
lardmanAt the moment I just get 0x... in std::string::compare () from /usr/lib/
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lardmanah, thanks Veggen11:28
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lardmanI thought a backtrace did something else, should have rtfm I guess11:29
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keesjthe n800 was by far the moost mobile linux@fosdem11:43
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Jaffakeesj: cool11:57
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* obergix[work] is happy... made the road to work today using the GPS and my 770... nice to finally have a cool GPS device 12:06
genevenhopefully you don't need it to get to work :)12:08
obergix[work]geneven: :)12:08
obergix[work]geneven: also would be better without proprietary software... but eh... nobody's perfect12:09
genevenI haven't gotten mine to work yet12:09
genevenbut Ive never used one before12:10
genevenI got a holux gpslim24012:11
obergix[work]geneven: I personally bought the kit from nokia with the navicore and car mounter...12:14
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geneveni was/am looking for inexpensive first, works second12:19
* Jaffa tried to use Maemo Mapper over the weekend with a GPS - the thing crashed so often it was unusable.12:21
obergix[work]Jaffa: a friend of mine used it on a N800 to come to FOSDEM from Paris, and he seem pretty happy with it12:22
genevenI couldnt find good docs so i am not sure i'm set up corectly12:25
Jaffaobergix[work]: the trouble is there's no logging and it's accepting data from third party services (whether GPX files or NMEA data), there could be buffer overflows or parsing bugs which are tricky to track down.12:26
genevenI don't know if i needed to do anything in the control panel12:27
JaffaThe source is horrid, so trying to add the logging to track them down will not be fun.12:27
keesjgeneve. what maemo-mapper and maemo version where you running? is have yet to see maemo-mapper crash.12:32
keesjand about the source i d'ont know if it is great or bad to have it all in ne file. at least you knw  where to search :p12:34
Jaffakeesj: Maemo Mapper 1.4 on my N800 seems to regularly crash with my Deluo GPS enabled and "Show GPS info" enabled.12:35
genevenit didn't crash for me!  just doesn't work yet12:35
obergix[work]guerby: any comment on your experience with maemo-mapper ? ;)12:36
keesjis used the mud version ported to sqlite3 so i cannot compare12:37
keesji used it this week-end from asteram to brussels and back with no problem12:38
Jaffakeesj: given the GPS was cheap, I suspect malformed NMEA data causing a segfault.12:39
keesjmine was about 80 euro. the brand is adapt. perhaps that driving on the right side of the road and using the mertic system wil help?12:42
keesj jaffa did you read gustavo's last blog entry?12:45
Jaffakeesj: :)12:45
Jaffakeesj: yeah, briefly.12:46
keesjthey talk about nokia considering the  openembeded build systen. It makes me wonder...12:47
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jtrakeesj: how do you like xterm with on screen keyboard?12:54
keesjit looks nice but i did not manager to use it a lot , I think I hit some bugs because the normal keyboard also keepy popping up12:55
keesjI would must say that I have used the thumb keyboard much more lately since it's the faster then using the stylus12:57
keesjI hoped the translucent keyboard would be more usable, my concultion so far is that I would want the keyboard to be a thumb keyboard and I would like the keyboard to be behind the content12:58
keesjjtra: I guess I have learned a lot from your experiment :p12:59
Jaffajtra: doesn't libvte support a background image? you could put the keyboard image there and then keep all the existing code for accepting keystrokes. I agree with keesj that it'd be better behind the content: I know the layout of the keyboard so I just need a hint to hit the right place on screen.12:59
jtrait might be interesting to generate thumb on screen keyboard for full screen xterm12:59
jtraJaffa: it is not a problem to place drawing code just before characters are drawn (I have not tried that), but I worry that applications like mc which set both foreground and background colors will just overwrite all the keyboard13:02
keesjperhaps that can be "fixes" in .Xdefaults kind of configuration?13:02
jtraI guess not, or does those color specifications allow semitransparent colors?13:04
keesjI also understand the canola people are playing with eevas, I found the eem demo very pleasing for the eyes13:08
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guerbyobergix[work], maemo mapper on n800 disappears if I turn of the GPS. Sometimes it won't connect any more for long period of times to the GPS but I suspect the bluetooth stack more than maemo mapper. I don't know if gnuite has a n800 now13:45
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obergix[work]guerby: thx for your cable btw, it helped a great deal upgrade everything yesterday... although the writing to the SD through the cable was SLOOOOOW ;)13:55
guerbyobergix[work], I get 800Kbyte/s when writing through scp over wifi, I use USB only for flashing13:59
obergix[work]guerby: well, I had to put stuff onto the SD through the windows app... so I think the cable was needed more or less ;)14:02
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jhs_sCan someone point me to the current instructions for the garage repository? Those I got by mail some months ago do not seem valid anymore14:23
jhs_ssorry, found them:
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inz5511hyvin sanottu14:56
inzMy connection was a bit laggy... ;)14:57
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Toma-how do you reset the wifi after running something like kismet or airodump? ifconfig wont reset it15:10
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ptmanToma-: reboot15:10
Toma-ahh damn :<15:11
kulveToma-: try setting offline mode and back to online mode?15:11
Toma-yeh tried that, no go15:11
Toma-i feel yucky rebooting all the time with linux :>15:11
kulvewith 770 it worked just by disconnecting wlan and connecting again15:11
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lardmanAnyone tried compiling Qalculate?16:47
JaffaSome QT-based.16:47
* Jaffa has galculator compiled.16:47
lardmanAh, Qcalculate also has a GTK+ version, and can do more than a normal calc16:48
lardmanunit tracking, etc.16:48
Jaffalardman: sounds good16:48
lardmanmatt_c: Is that an emulator?16:48
lardmanI don't like RPN16:48
matt_clardman: no, it's a ground up rewrite.16:48
matt_clardman: nevermind then16:48
lardmanI've got giac/xcas compiled (same chap who wrote the CAS for the HP calcs I think), but segfaulting16:49
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disqlooking for iceweasel-armel build :)16:49
lardmanI wonder whether Tiemu would run at a decent speed with vfp (it was very very slow, and ran out of memory)16:52
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Jaffadisq: you'll be lucky16:54
disqthere's an arm build, would it work without some kind of emulation?16:54
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kkitohello :)16:55
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lardmanhi kkito16:55
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kkitois someone workins on a webkit port for the n800?16:55
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lardmanmatt_c: This might be of interest to you, assuming you have an N800 & toolchain:
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manaPirathi guys :)17:47
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ts0_is openssh not supported on N800/IT2007?17:55
osfameronyou have to install dropbear ssh17:56
osfameronthen it works fine17:56
b0unc3ts0_: openssh is supported on n80017:56
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* mgedmin wonders about the meaning of the word "supported"18:02
mgedminif you call Nokia's customer support, I'm pretty sure they will not answer questions about openssh on the internet tablets18:02
mgedminbut you can install either openssh or dropbear on both 770 and N80018:02
osfameronand they work very well18:03
matt_copenssh works just fine on my N80018:04
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disqyeah mine too18:05
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Takwhat's with the guy astroturfing winmobile on the maemo lists?18:16
mgedminI didn't get it either18:17
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mgedmindoes anybody know where to find gnumeric repositories for the 770 and n800?18:18
JaffaTak: I must've self-filtered that out of my mind :)18:19
Takhmm - someone should remove gnumeric from the app catalog18:19
Takthere's no .install file and the homepage is the generic gnumeric homepage (with no itos package)18:20
ts0_ok, I had a problem installing openssh for some reason18:20
ts0_i'll take another look18:20
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ts0_dropbear doesn't work for me, I want SOCKS18:20
mgedmints0_: openssh is a system-level package18:21
mgedminyou need to enable the red-pill mode18:21
mgedminthen you can use the single-click install file to install it18:22
mgedminred-pill mode:
mgedminsingle-click install:
Jaffamgedmin: .installs won't work for system packages without Red Pill mode? Hmm.18:23
* mgedmin nods18:24
mgedminat least that's how it was on the 77018:24
JaffaI think I'd argue that's a misfeature.18:24
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mgedminI think there's a need for an openssh-wrapper package18:24
mgedminthat would be in section: user/tools18:24
mgedminthat would depend on ssh18:24
mgedminand that would pop up a dialog letting the user change the root password18:25
ts0_it works fine on the 77018:27
ts0_i'm in rd mode, is that not the same?18:27
ts0_ah, ok18:27
mgedminin rd mode you can do sudo gainroot18:28
mgedminand then, as root, you can apt-get install ssh18:28
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mgedminit's an alternative way of installing it18:28
mgedminenabling red-pill mode in the app manager is easier than enabling r&d mode for the whole device18:28
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ts0_r&d for the whole device was a single command line and call it a day18:29
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mgedminplus cable18:31
mgedminI hate cables18:32
mgedminplus reboot18:32
mgedminI hate reboots18:32
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lardmanmgedmin: Do you use gnumeric?18:39
mgedminsometimes, on my laptop18:39
lardmanah, I was wondering whether there's a way of making the vkb stay up on the n80018:39
mgedmindo you have gnumeric on the n800?18:40
osfamerondoes it compile for n800 ?18:40
mgedminI assume so, given that lardman has it :)18:40
lardmanno idea, I just went to the 2006 apps page and downloaded it directly18:40
lardmanno recompile I'm afraid18:40
osfameronyay!  I thought I'd tried to install it and it failed, must have got condused18:41
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mgedmin2006 apps page in the old wiki?18:41
* mgedmin google-finds
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lardmangnumeric is fine, just drives me insane with the vkb flicking up and down as I try to put data in, was annoying enough that I went and booted my PC instead18:50
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osfameronthe vkb is annoying isn't it?18:50
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osfameronI guess pairing with a BT keyboard would be a workaround18:51
lardmanbut perhaps I've missed something, is it possible to get it to stay there?18:51
lardmanI think I will have to just buy a bt keyboard anyway18:52
Jaffalardman: NAFAIK18:53
mgedminwow, gnumeric weighs 10 megs18:54
lardmanJaffa: No, nor me, I thought I might have missed something in one of the menus18:54
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lardmanI'm tempted by something like this:
lardmannot going to be able to type very fast, but want something I don't need to have on a flat surface19:01
Taklot cheaper than the $130 stowaway..19:02
lardmanit's not going to be HID though, so would need to mess about with settings to get it to work19:04
Takoh, I thought from the description that it was hid19:04
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lardmanit has drivers, I think that;s a bad sign19:05
* Jaffa 's Stowaway came with a drivers CD that I've never even looked at.19:06
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Takhas anybody gotten one of the usb power adapters?19:11
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lardmannight all19:22
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mgedminmy 770 ran out of disk space while installing gnumeric ...19:26
JaffaTak: I've got a generic Nokia phone charger one with a CA-44 adapter19:27
Takis there a model of phone that has the same plug as an IT?19:28
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JaffaTak: any recent Nokia19:32
Jaffa(I believe)19:32
Takwhich models are recent?  (770 was my first nokia product)19:32
glas5n70 and newer with few exceptions19:33
mgedminmy 6125 has a new-style small charger plug19:34
Takcool, thanks19:34
myrenunionfs + sd card == good19:38
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Jaffamyren: unionfs working on OS 2007? There were problems with unmounting and corruption I believe on OS 2006 (so I switched to bind mounts instead)19:42
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myrenI DONT KNOW19:54
myrenoops, capslock19:54
myrenbinds suck, you cant really do any overlaying, which is easily 100x better than symlinkins + binding19:54
* myren is still waiting on his credit card company to send him the new airmiles plastic before purchasing19:55
mgedminwhen it works19:55
myreni've been using unionfs on my wifi routers for years now, and its never given me problems.  i cant fathom why there would be corruption on a maemo19:56
myrenthen again i dont own a maemo19:56
* Jaffa didn't mention symlinks; just cp -a /home/user to /media/mmc3/overlays/_home_user, rm -rf /home/user/* and mount -o bind at startup. Frees up space for apps, too.19:56
Jaffamyren: there were problems with unmounting things still in use at shutdown19:56
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myrenyeah linux umount has always sucked nads19:57
myrenone of the most god awful shitsuckers in the linux planet19:57
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TakSkyhusker: great work on xchat20:02
Skyhuskerthanks Tak :)20:02
Takdid you figure out the issue with fullscreening on os2006?20:03
Skyhuskernot yet, will try to fix it next weekend20:03
Skyhuskeri'm expending almost all the coding time in the player20:04
Skyhuskerbut fixing that bug is in my todo list20:04
Taknot a huge deal - it's just nice to be able to set server passwords, autojoin channels, etc20:05
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Skyhuskeri think you can already do that20:07
Takthat's what I mean20:08
Takit *is* nice20:08
Skyhuskersorry, misunderstood :)20:10
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c0ffeeis any of the emulators aside from scummvm in a state that allows for playing games on the IT?20:22
s-ndh-ci think someone ported mame20:25
Takfceu is your best candidate20:25
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c0ffeeso i need some super mario for fceu20:26
revi can send it your way20:26
revSMB 1,2 and/or 320:26
* rev plays zelda mostly20:26
c0ffee3 would be nice20:26
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Takyeah, I just finished the fourth dungeon in zelda ;-)20:27
revdcc or email?20:27
revTak: woot!20:27
c0ffeeas you prefer20:27
TakI really need to release my latest changes - maybe this weekend20:27
revdcc is fine, though i'm behind a firewall, doth that matter? one sec lemme find it20:27
c0ffeeif your firewall is smart enough, it doesn't :)20:28
c0ffeeit isn't :)20:29
c0ffeeDCC SEND from rev [ port 63740]20:29 then :)20:30
revah, ok20:30
revc0ffee: sent!20:31
c0ffeeta :)20:31
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mgedminmmm, coffee...20:39
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MoRpHeUzwhich brand for a 2 GB sd that works well with n800 ?20:44
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c0ffeewhat are the fcue key mappings?21:10
c0ffeeah, got it :)21:11
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keesjI remeber vaguely a mail about proposed new guidelines for the packages singing. and the maemo repository, it was also about not allowing repositories to be installed, does somebody remember the subject?21:49
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keesjI found it. it was called Locking down21:56
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viewhmm, for some reason I can no longer connect to google talk on the 77022:02
keesjany error message?22:03
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view"cannot connect to one or more accounts"22:04
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keesjand when you press on the puppet" no special message?22:04
viewthe puppet?22:05
keesjthe two people  on the left , sorry for the bad description22:05
viewnope, nothing22:05
keesjI had a certificate expired this week-end22:05
viewhow'd you fix it?22:06
keesjis was because the date on my machine was in 1970,22:06
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keesjhmm 'O what year is it then?"22:08
mgedmin2007, last time I checked22:09
viewyeah, according to the desktop thing, 0722:10
cosmo_depends if we are in matrix or holodeck or something like that22:11
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viewI tried readding the account, still no luck22:24
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maddlerdoes anyone remember which script is callend on USB cable connection?22:55
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maddlercan't recall its name...22:55
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superbiawould be fun to have uplink to the nokia tablets :) miss that game23:04
Sulisthat's what it was called!23:09
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superbiahuh? uplink?23:13
superbiait's quite nice... but probably to graphically demanding for a N800 or so...23:15
Sulisi thought of it the other day, but couldn't remember its name23:15
superbiahehe ^^ I just read about it when trying to find info about silica intrestingly enough hehe23:15
Sulisgraphically demanding?23:16
superbiaI don't know.. .but I think it needed 32 mb graphics memory23:16
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superbiadonno if n800 even have graphics memory23:16
glas5uplink was a fun game...23:17
glas5porting it could be a lot of work though23:17
glas5even if you had the source23:17
superbiaas I was afraid of...23:17
Sulisthere is a *nix version out there23:18
superbiahmm should maybe send them a mail and ask then to compile it for armel :P23:18
Sulislast time i looked it was quite unfinished23:20
superbiaoh? wasn't it full release for linux?23:20
Sulisi don't think so23:20
superbiathen I don't think they should have charged 50 dollars for it :)23:21
superbiathat feels kinda unfair :)23:21
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Sulisyou mean to say that you played it on linux?23:23
superbiayeah... I played a demo and they had it in the local computer store for linux a while back... quite a while acctually...23:27
maddlerlast time I tried Upling I was actually unable to even start it...23:28
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Pioi once had a panel applet that shows a load average meter with a clock superimposed on top of it.. does anyone know which applet this is?23:30
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Pioi cant seem to find it now23:30
maddlerbtw... an ASCII version could be nice... :)23:30
maddlerPio: no... sorry...23:30
Sulismaddler, of uplink?23:32
glas5terminal version23:33
superbiaanyone know any good games? I got a 5 hour train ride tomorrow23:35
glas5dunno..   nethack?23:35
glas5or the scummvm games23:36
glas5i think i'd opt for fbreader and some ebooks though23:36
superbiajust downloaded pengupop...23:36
superbiayeah... might do that... with some luck train has wlan23:36
Sulisi'm quite impressed with fbreader23:37
Sulisi especially like the turnng on the side thing23:37
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Sulisi guess i'm showing how new to maemo i am...23:40
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Sulisis there any way that i can use samba shares on my n800?23:47
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