| maddler | well I would also be happy to look after your bank accounts... | 00:00 |
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| maddler | as well as credit cards... | 00:00 |
| Superbia | thats great :D I'll send all my bills to you then :D | 00:00 |
| maddler | root access to all your system would also be apreciated... | 00:00 |
| maddler | hahaha | 00:00 |
| maddler | Superbia: can I send mine to you as well? | 00:00 |
| maddler | just got my taxes to pay... 1800E | 00:01 |
| maddler | :D | 00:01 |
| Superbia | haha wish I has root access to all my systems... forgotten about 4 systems passwords :S | 00:01 |
| Superbia | haha well I have enough to look after but thanks for asking :P | 00:01 |
| maddler | hehehehehe... | 00:01 |
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| maddler | Superbia: ok... man... drop me a line if you change your mind.. :DDDD | 00:02 |
| maddler | better to drink some beer... | 00:02 |
| maddler | :) | 00:02 |
| Superbia | haha will do :P | 00:02 |
| keesj | If you see this guy on fosdem , please offer him a beer http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/keesj.jpg | 00:03 |
| Superbia | one sec rebooting to linux had enough with windows for now :P | 00:03 |
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| neal | how do I enable the harddware buttons when the unit is closed? | 00:03 |
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| disq | what's in that glass? :P | 00:03 |
| maddler | keesj: naaa... someone told me he's a Windows user!!! | 00:03 |
| neal | and my application is in the foreground? | 00:03 |
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| keesj | red red wine | 00:04 |
| disq | neal: closed? | 00:04 |
| neal | 770 | 00:04 |
| neal | lid on | 00:04 |
| neal | that sort of thing | 00:04 |
| disq | ah. can't. | 00:04 |
| neal | I think I read that you can. | 00:04 |
| disq | mce or osso-systemui handles that, probably mce | 00:04 |
| neal | but I can't find it. | 00:04 |
| * maddler would be more than happy to offer good italian red wine to everybody! | 00:04 | |
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| maddler | ... next time you'll be in Rome :D | 00:05 |
| disq | if there was a way to "not lock the hw keys when the cover is on" then you could. check the control panel first :) | 00:05 |
| neal | I want to do it programmatically | 00:05 |
| neal | for my application | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | is that a good idea? | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | override the user's wishes? | 00:06 |
| neal | it's an mp3 player | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | I noticed that I do press random keys unintentionally when I'm putting it into my coat pocket | 00:06 |
| maddler | mgedmin: ask user if he/she wants to override him/herself! :DD | 00:06 |
| keesj | Superbia> btw anyone gotten java to run on n800? | 00:07 |
| mgedmin | it is a bit annoying to have to slide the 770 a bit out when you want to change the volume | 00:07 |
| mgedmin | somewhat worse with the n800 | 00:07 |
| disq | yeah. it is worse on the n800 | 00:07 |
| maddler | keesj: no... but I know of an N800 running to Java! :D | 00:07 |
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| maddler | ok... ok... sorry... but... friday night... a hard week... | 00:07 |
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| keesj | I have the cvm on the n800 but I have no clue what to do next | 00:08 |
| Superbia | there we go... back in linux | 00:08 |
| keesj | Superbia: what kind of java do you want? | 00:09 |
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| Superbia | so I can run jar? would like to if possible run mobile apps | 00:09 |
| keesj | so phoneme .. | 00:09 |
| Superbia | yeah I guess :) | 00:10 |
| keesj | the jvm works but I don't think we have peers for the graphical stuff | 00:10 |
| Superbia | I could give jvm a try and see how far I get | 00:11 |
| keesj | there is patch in mud for phoneme , | 00:11 |
| keesj | this is what I get http://paste-it.net/1341 | 00:12 |
| Superbia | hmm so something is missing | 00:13 |
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| keesj | No there are some jars in the system I guess that I just needs env vars to run hello world command line | 00:14 |
| Superbia | okay | 00:14 |
| keesj | but there are other implementation that use classpath and will allow more advanced java | 00:14 |
| Superbia | okay, think that might work better? | 00:15 |
| keesj | Superbia: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/mud/repository_it2007/phoneme_1.1.1.02-1_armel.deb | 00:15 |
| keesj | somebody posted my picture on the net, now I need to get me a new net identity. | 00:16 |
| Superbia | I'll give it a try | 00:16 |
| bhima | http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/LittleDuvessa/keesj.jpg ? | 00:17 |
| keesj | Superbia: don't expect to much , there is also http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006Wip | 00:17 |
| keesj | ugggggggg nope | 00:18 |
| mgedmin | hehe | 00:18 |
| bhima | keesj: So, URL? :) | 00:18 |
| keesj | I just posted it here a few minutes ago | 00:19 |
| keesj | http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/keesj.jpg | 00:19 |
| bhima | That's so much less exciting than the weird vampire picture I found. | 00:20 |
| mgedmin | http://images.google.com/images?q=keesj | 00:20 |
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| Superbia | phoneme was incompatible application package so that was a quite quick crash | 00:20 |
| keesj | Superbia: alright. works4me | 00:21 |
| Superbia | keesj: strange... can it be that I have that stupid 51-7 build and not 51-6? :S | 00:22 |
| keesj | Superbia: probabely you are just missing a reposutory | 00:23 |
| Superbia | keesj: might be... hmm | 00:24 |
| keesj | it looks like there a not much deps http://paste-it.net/1342/raw/ | 00:26 |
| keesj | I have to go | 00:26 |
| Superbia | okay, but thanks for giving me something to work with :) | 00:27 |
| Superbia | ahh there we go.. I was stupid enough to try the built in package manager... dpkg worked better :D | 00:29 |
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| kakos | Is there any way to turn a Maemo machine into a multiuser box complete with login screens and shit? | 00:41 |
| Superbia | I been wondering that too... or atleast get another username then user | 00:41 |
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| maddler | you can have as many users as you want... but not on the gui... | 00:43 |
| maddler | they will only be able to use commandline... | 00:43 |
| maddler | AFAIK | 00:43 |
| bhima | I have this feeling that if you try to change the name from 'user', things will break in strange places. | 00:43 |
| kakos | We'll SEE ABOUT THAT! | 00:43 |
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| Tak | it definitely will, particularly if you don't link /home/user | 00:43 |
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| Superbia | starting to get progress on my .jar files :D | 00:45 |
| Superbia | only one error now :P | 00:45 |
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| bhima | hmm. I have some java console code I want to run on my n800. | 00:46 |
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| maddler | bhima: don't touch "user" related stuff... most likely your device will need to be reflashed... | 00:51 |
| maddler | bhima: add another user if you need/want to... | 00:51 |
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| maddler | dum dee da... | 00:52 |
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| * bhima gets ready to install a wiki on his n800. | 00:53 | |
| Superbia | whats the fun in another user when you can't flash with it :P | 00:53 |
| Superbia | if it bitches abut Main-Class attribute missing in Manifest... is it possible to correct without recompiling? | 00:55 |
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| keesj | hmm , try jvm -classpath myjar.jar org.mysite.test.Test | 00:56 |
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| keesj | I cannot type text anymore on my n800 | 00:56 |
| keesj | the popup does not appear even after a reboot | 00:57 |
| Tak | Superbia: yeah, just edit the manifest in your jar and rejar it | 00:57 |
| Superbia | that I was afraid if Tak... not "my" jar... it's a downloaded cellphone app... last time I started breaking them apart to fix things my girlfriend was mad for weeks... :S | 00:58 |
| Tak | ah | 00:59 |
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| Tak | try keesj's suggestion? | 00:59 |
| Tak | or do you not know what class? | 00:59 |
| Superbia | thats I'm trying to figure out | 00:59 |
| maddler | keesj: check in control panel... | 01:00 |
| keesj | I had to reboot and remove the battery :p | 01:01 |
| maddler | remove the battery? | 01:01 |
| maddler | hmmm... | 01:01 |
| maddler | strange... but nice to know... | 01:01 |
| keesj | yes | 01:01 |
| maddler | you weren't charging... right? | 01:01 |
| maddler | hmmm wait... have you got any alarm? | 01:02 |
| keesj | yes , i was charging . no alarm , I have loaded the uinput module, and played with the jtra xterm | 01:03 |
| maddler | keesj: ok... if you were charging then it makes sense... that you had to remove battery... | 01:03 |
| Superbia | time to start eclipse... | 01:04 |
| keesj | I have had this problem before when just using the btkb + uinput , after a reboot there still was no on-screen keyboard. very funny , It can rember this but not that I want my bt on | 01:04 |
| keesj | Superbia: on the n800? | 01:04 |
| maddler | keesj: hehehehe... | 01:04 |
| Superbia | haha no... on my mbp | 01:05 |
| maddler | today a work mate insisted that would be possible to run Beryl on N800... :) | 01:05 |
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| Tak | possible, sure | 01:05 |
| Tak | usable... | 01:05 |
| mgedmin | at 30 seconds per frame? | 01:05 |
| Superbia | haha didn't even know it had 3d acc :P | 01:05 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 01:05 |
| maddler | Superbia: yeah... it has a couple Cs and a few Ks as well! :DDD | 01:06 |
| keesj | with some extra batteries perhaps? | 01:06 |
| maddler | keesj: yeah dilithium batteries! | 01:06 |
| Superbia | maddler: hehe | 01:06 |
| Fabianx | everaldo, you might want to join #nx too. | 01:07 |
| Superbia | I just get beryl to work on my stationary today... but it's not really that stable on a 8800 :S | 01:08 |
| maddler | Fabianx: what about #py as well? :D | 01:08 |
| everaldo | Fabianx, freenode? | 01:08 |
| maddler | Superbia: maybe with 2.0-ND! | 01:08 |
| maddler | ND -> Next Dimension :D | 01:09 |
| Fabianx | everaldo, yes | 01:09 |
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| Superbia | maddler: hehe I think nvidia needs to get their linux drivers in line and start working as they should... 8800 support is a laugh it seems | 01:09 |
| maddler | yep... I had nvidia on my previous laptop... | 01:10 |
| Superbia | hehe | 01:15 |
| Superbia | I like nvidia.. but they could atleast try and make drivers as fast as new cards | 01:15 |
| maddler | hehehe... to late for last year's xmas gift... and to early for next! ;D | 01:17 |
| Superbia | yeha | 01:17 |
| Superbia | yeah* | 01:17 |
| Superbia | I really miss my "back" button on the mouse while surfing in linux :S | 01:18 |
| neal | For those interested, I've finished a first version of the mp3 player I was working on. It's at plato.walfield.org/temp/starling | 01:19 |
| neal | you need to install it with dpkg -i --force-architecture | 01:19 |
| neal | if you have gpe-calendar installed then you already have its dependencies. | 01:19 |
| Superbia | work in n800 too? :) | 01:20 |
| neal | I don't have one of those | 01:20 |
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| Superbia | then we'll just have to try it :) | 01:20 |
| neal | anyways, I'm off for the evening. | 01:22 |
| maddler | neal: welcome back then! :D | 01:23 |
| maddler | 00:23 here :D | 01:23 |
| neal | welcome back? | 01:23 |
| maddler | so the evening is over... :D | 01:23 |
| maddler | hehehe... don't mind... I tend to be kinda idiot at the end of the week... | 01:24 |
| neal | for me evening = dinner time until I go to bed | 01:24 |
| maddler | :) | 01:24 |
| Superbia | seems to run fine on N800... will try it out some :) | 01:24 |
| neal | how does one do multi-select? | 01:25 |
| neal | oh cool. | 01:25 |
| neal | the hardware buttons are mapped to play, next and previous | 01:26 |
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| disq | neal: ooh, nice. does it have playlist editing? i might send in patches for a fullscreen-n800-operation-mode someday | 01:39 |
| disq | neal: lastfm? cool! | 01:41 |
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| Superbia | bah... these jar files drive me mad... | 01:44 |
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| mgedmin | brain in a jar? | 01:47 |
| mgedmin | kind of mad | 01:47 |
| Superbia | starting to feel like it... trying to figure out mainclass... | 01:47 |
| mgedmin | mad scientist :) | 01:48 |
| Superbia | haha | 01:48 |
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| dolfun | nice neal.... | 02:32 |
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| rev | hey folks | 03:37 |
| rev | anyone here know how the 770/800 tells between a thumbpress and a stylus tap? | 03:38 |
| disq | how do 770/800 tells, or how can you tell using an api? which one? | 03:41 |
| disq | second one i know | 03:41 |
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| rev | well, how does it tell, and can we tell via some api? | 03:42 |
| rev | presumably there is a standard api for this, e.g. the touchscreen driver | 03:42 |
| disq | there's a hildon-finger.h (but it's basically checks if the pressure reported by the touchscreen >=0.4) | 03:42 |
| rev | BrianRice was wondering if pressure data was available, like with wacom tablets | 03:42 |
| rev | ohhh, so pressure is sensed! | 03:42 |
| rev | i thought it wasn't, but i'm glad to be wrong | 03:43 |
| disq | it is. maemopad+ uses it, even. | 03:43 |
| BrianRice | yay | 03:43 |
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| rev | now to write a plugin i guess, eh? | 03:46 |
| * rev idly wonders if the FFI works on the nokia | 03:46 | |
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| arnnn | how do I install gconf-editor on n800 ? | 04:23 |
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| Tak | doesn't it report thumbpress as shift+click or something ? | 05:08 |
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| disq | Tak: it does, see hildon-finger.c for details :) | 05:30 |
| arnnn | how can I change the value in gconf-editor ? | 05:35 |
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| dolfun | i just left my 770 on for... i don't know how many days... i think 5 | 06:25 |
| dolfun | maybe 7 | 06:25 |
| dolfun | with cover closed | 06:25 |
| dolfun | and it's still going ? | 06:25 |
| Tak | screen and wifi use most of the power | 06:26 |
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| BrianRice | dolfun: even the product page says standby time should be 7 days: http://www.nokiausa.com/770/1,7841,feat:1,00.html | 06:47 |
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| dolfun | thx BrianRice ... that's pretty amazing stuff. Almost makes turning it off unnecessary :) | 07:28 |
| Tak | I never turn mine off | 07:29 |
| BrianRice | eh, mine reboots itself on its own more often than 7 days anyway :) | 07:29 |
| Tak | it takes way more power to power it up than to let it sit overnight | 07:29 |
| rev | dolfun: that's what PDA type devices do... not to burst your bubble, it is handy and all. :D | 07:32 |
| rev | the only time i've turned off my 770/800 was to reboot it | 07:33 |
| dolfun | ah, it's my first pda | 07:33 |
| dolfun | actually no, i used a psion netbook for a few months as a portable wlan ssh and vnc terminal | 07:34 |
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| rev | ah cool | 07:41 |
| rev | how did you like that? | 07:41 |
| rev | i've always wanted one of those, or at least to play with one | 07:41 |
| rev | i'm always on the lookout for a cheap Psion, to see if there are any ideas to steal from it | 07:42 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: ? | 08:53 |
| dolfun | rev, a bunch of geeks made a linux for the netbook (and the series 5) | 08:55 |
| inz | heh -- I misread: "bunch of geeks made linux for nethack" | 08:56 |
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| dolfun | hahahaha which is not so far from the truth | 08:59 |
| dolfun | anybody here know the nethack porter for maemo / nokia? | 09:00 |
| dolfun | i want to get T.O.M.E. running | 09:01 |
| keesj | dolfun: search the irc logs :) | 09:09 |
| keesj | he is often on irc , | 09:09 |
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| Naughty | hi guys | 11:32 |
| Naughty | i was thinking about buying the nokie N800, is there any putty like apps for it? | 11:33 |
| Naughty | nokia* | 11:33 |
| neal | you mean ssh? | 11:33 |
| Naughty | ye | 11:33 |
| neal | there is xterm and ssh | 11:33 |
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| Naughty | they both have the irssi application? | 11:34 |
| neal | what is both? | 11:34 |
| Naughty | xterm and ssh | 11:34 |
| Naughty | im just not familiar with linux based applications :P | 11:35 |
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| cosmo_ | Naughty: irssi usually runs on remote server inside screen, you ssh to it and use it from there | 11:38 |
| Naughty | ok | 11:38 |
| cosmo_ | but i'd suggest using xchat or gaim on N800, as using irssi with virtual keyboard is a pain | 11:38 |
| cosmo_ | or get a bluetooth keyboard | 11:39 |
| Naughty | i do have screen | 11:39 |
| Naughty | i just wanna know if i can learn to use any of those apps cause ima girl so :D | 11:39 |
| cosmo_ | for example it's not very easy to enter ctrl-keypresses with virtual keyboard and stylus, but it is possible if needed | 11:40 |
| cosmo_ | i know a lot of girls who use screen+irssi, so that's not a explanation ;) | 11:40 |
| neal | do you mean you are a girl figuratively or do you mean you are girl physically? | 11:40 |
| Naughty | well i have nokia 7710 witch is basically same kinda phone, tho its symbian | 11:41 |
| neal | i.e., do you mean it derogatorily or are you using it as an appeal? | 11:41 |
| Naughty | and i had no trouble at all using putty with stylus | 11:41 |
| glas5 | there's hacks to the xterm | 11:41 |
| glas5 | you can run irssi even locally | 11:41 |
| Naughty | well i dont need that :D | 11:42 |
| glas5 | naughty: but do take into consideration that 770/800 are not phones | 11:42 |
| Naughty | hahha yeah :D | 11:42 |
| Naughty | this nokia 7710 that i have has same features, but not wlan capability | 11:43 |
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| glas5 | well, 770/800 don't have built in gprs(or 3g) | 11:44 |
| Naughty | any other useful apps for n800? | 11:44 |
| glas5 | lots.. | 11:45 |
| glas5 | check the application guide | 11:45 |
| glas5 | i like fbreader for reading books | 11:45 |
| Naughty | it had sum messaging app on it? | 11:45 |
| glas5 | gaim | 11:45 |
| Naughty | does it support messenger? | 11:45 |
| glas5 | dunno | 11:45 |
| cosmo_ | Naughty: are you the one in galtsu? :) | 11:45 |
| Naughty | yeah:D | 11:45 |
| Naughty | busted :D | 11:46 |
| cosmo_ | very nice :) | 11:46 |
| cosmo_ | i think killer apps for maemo are mod player plugin, pengupop, scummvm, and the built-in mahjong | 11:48 |
| glas5 | cosmo: you the cosmo from tupsula btw? | 11:49 |
| glas5 | i guess so | 11:49 |
| cosmo_ | yep | 11:49 |
| cosmo_ | busted ;) | 11:49 |
| Naughty | mahjong :< | 11:49 |
| glas5 | for me maemo killer apps currently are fbreader and the browser | 11:49 |
| glas5 | i usually just irc from the phone | 11:49 |
| Naughty | me too | 11:49 |
| Naughty | but try to use putty with gprs... | 11:50 |
| glas5 | well i run a client on the phone itself | 11:50 |
| Naughty | ye i run a java irc client | 11:50 |
| Naughty | but they crash every other second | 11:50 |
| glas5 | i run a native symbian one.. of which there isn't a 3rd edition port | 11:50 |
| glas5 | they dont probably crash, they just get shut down by the system | 11:51 |
| Naughty | oh they crash, and the system crashes | 11:51 |
| glas5 | low mem etc etc.. j2me apps can't refuse to die if asked | 11:51 |
| glas5 | oh | 11:51 |
| glas5 | :p | 11:51 |
| glas5 | never had jmirc "crash" on any platform for me | 11:51 |
| glas5 | i use wirelessirc mostly though.. | 11:51 |
| Naughty | and usually i get 5-10 errors and :DDd | 11:52 |
| Naughty | so hope n800 is stable and has stable programs | 11:52 |
| cosmo_ | dunno about N800, but my 770 is stable enough | 11:53 |
| cosmo_ | earlier IT versions crashed a lot more | 11:53 |
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| glas5 | it was fine on the last trip i made | 11:54 |
| glas5 | i don't use it that often tbh | 11:54 |
| glas5 | only on out-of-town trips | 11:54 |
| glas5 | on traintrips etc | 11:54 |
| glas5 | planes | 11:54 |
| cosmo_ | Naughty: if you travel often by bus or train, get konttori's mediaconverter and encode some movies or tv-series for your N800 | 11:55 |
| Naughty | haah :D | 11:55 |
| cosmo_ | i usually watch dr. who on the bus to work ;) | 11:56 |
| glas5 | and couple of nice chunky sd cards for mem | 11:56 |
| Naughty | i just watch days of our lives ;) | 11:56 |
| glas5 | haha | 11:56 |
| Naughty | and i only travel to school and back | 11:56 |
| glas5 | i guess if i went to lectures i'd carry it there | 11:56 |
| glas5 | but haven't done that much lately | 11:57 |
| cosmo_ | it's excellent for lecture-irc | 11:57 |
| Naughty | yeah i bet :) | 11:57 |
| glas5 | yeah i'd imagine so | 11:57 |
| glas5 | used to irc with a phone a lot | 11:57 |
| glas5 | from lectures | 11:57 |
| glas5 | dunno how wise that was :p | 11:57 |
| Naughty | and i got to school in helsinki, and even all the bars have wlan ;D | 11:57 |
| cosmo_ | it's a pity that in Finland we don't have a lot of open wlans | 11:58 |
| Naughty | in helsinki there is | 11:58 |
| glas5 | cosmo: well, kultanen apina has ;p | 11:58 |
| Naughty | and just most of the seniors dont even know what wlan is and they dont secure it | 11:58 |
| cosmo_ | it's very annoying to go and ask wlan key from bartender (who usually doesn't have a clue) | 11:59 |
| glas5 | though, with flatfee 3g(paid by work, too) i don't really give a shit about free wifi anymore | 11:59 |
| Naughty | hahah i think thats fun | 11:59 |
| glas5 | i just use 3g | 11:59 |
| glas5 | the latency isn't too bad for ssh | 12:00 |
| glas5 | for irssi | 12:00 |
| cosmo_ | in Riga for example there were always like 5 wlans available in city center and most were open | 12:00 |
| glas5 | sometimes wifi pricing just sucks too much | 12:00 |
| glas5 | at 3gsm the pricing was ridiculous, managed to find 1 working free spot though( named linksys no less.. near nokia booth no less.. ) | 12:01 |
| glas5 | friggin 615e per visitor and they don't arrange working wifi for that even but ask more.. | 12:02 |
| glas5 | too bad 3g roaming isn't affordable | 12:02 |
| cosmo_ | earlier there was discussion if 770/800 could be made a mobile wifi ap with 3g uplink | 12:03 |
| Naughty | stupid question: what difference is in gprs and 3g | 12:03 |
| cosmo_ | gprs=slow, modem speef, 3g is a bit faster | 12:04 |
| Naughty | yeah that i knew already | 12:04 |
| glas5 | different tech | 12:04 |
| glas5 | 3g has better ping | 12:04 |
| glas5 | less latency | 12:05 |
| glas5 | so less pain in using irssi over ssh | 12:05 |
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| Naughty | ye if its faster, naturally | 12:05 |
| Naughty | so 800 can use it? | 12:05 |
| glas5 | if you got a 3g phone | 12:05 |
| Naughty | havent had any 3g phones | 12:05 |
| Naughty | well is it a 3g phone :DDD | 12:05 |
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| glas5 | 800 isn't a phone at all | 12:05 |
| glas5 | you need a seperate phone to connect through gprs or 3g | 12:06 |
| glas5 | can't make calls with it | 12:06 |
| Naughty | k | 12:06 |
| glas5 | well, wifi calls you could.. | 12:06 |
| Naughty | k | 12:07 |
| Naughty | lol | 12:07 |
| Naughty | i didnt tought of that | 12:07 |
| Naughty | tought it was a phone like my 7710 | 12:07 |
| Naughty | nokia sells it as a phone | 12:08 |
| glas5 | no they don't really | 12:08 |
| glas5 | everybody just expects it's a phone because it's a nokia... | 12:08 |
| Naughty | no they have it under mobilephones gategory | 12:09 |
| glas5 | where? | 12:12 |
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| glas5 | ahh indeed they have | 12:12 |
| glas5 | never noticed | 12:12 |
| glas5 | that's stupid i agree | 12:12 |
| glas5 | under phones->multimediacomputers | 12:12 |
| Naughty | ffs i want a phone with touching screen :<<< | 12:16 |
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| Naughty | this nokia 7710 has it, its so fast to type and irc, but its too laggy and buggy | 12:17 |
| Naughty | and cant use wlan | 12:17 |
| cosmo_ | i think ericsson's communicators have touchscreen | 12:17 |
| plaes | P800, P990 have.. | 12:18 |
| cosmo_ | i like to have separate small phone & large internet tablet | 12:18 |
| glas5 | yeah me too | 12:20 |
| glas5 | i like a smallish phone for on-the-go irc.. | 12:20 |
| glas5 | easy to pocket and check and put back.. | 12:20 |
| glas5 | all uiq devices have touchscreen.. | 12:21 |
| glas5 | (i'm not too sure about all but all major anyhow and all apps would expect it) | 12:21 |
| roope | yeah, uiq's are nice, if you want it. | 12:28 |
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| cosmo_ | i think it wouldn't be bad idea for nokia to just make a maemo based phone, just to see if it would sell | 12:30 |
| glas5 | just latch on a modem | 12:36 |
| glas5 | does n800 do sdio? | 12:36 |
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| Sulis | is there a way that i can use my n800 as a handsfree for my phone? | 12:48 |
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| svu | can maemo-mapper use tomtom maps? | 13:14 |
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| cosmo_ | no. | 13:32 |
| Guard][an | "i think it wouldn't be bad idea for nokia to just make a maemo based phone, just to see if it would sell" --> it's funny how people assume that big company are worth wasting money in random projects :) | 13:33 |
| Guard][an | big companies | 13:34 |
| cosmo_ | more than small companies :) | 13:34 |
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| Guard][an | i'm pretty sure the N770 and N800 are not profitable business | 13:35 |
| Guard][an | just balance the amount of skilled engineers it requires to the number of units sold | 13:35 |
| neal | the number of units sold is public information? | 13:36 |
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| Guard][an | i don't think so, and i don't know it, but i would image were talking about 10 000 - 30 000 units | 13:36 |
| trenka | it's not a public information even for the team :) | 13:36 |
| Guard][an | -image+imagine | 13:37 |
| Guard][an | gosh i just can't type this morning | 13:37 |
| neal | you're speculation seems quite ungrounded | 13:37 |
| neal | especially for such an unqualified statement | 13:38 |
| cosmo_ | i think the number of units sold is quite good.. at least here in finland a lot of people have them | 13:40 |
| cosmo_ | even non-nokia engineers who got one for free | 13:40 |
| Guard][an | i did not state it wasn't good :) | 13:41 |
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| Guard][an | neal: indeed it's only speculation from my part | 13:42 |
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| Sulis | anyone know if i can use my n800 as a handsfree device? | 13:52 |
| Guard][an | handsfree device ? | 13:53 |
| Sulis | yeah, like pair it with my phone and be able to make calls and stuff | 13:54 |
| trenka | I've heared such requirement already, hmmm | 13:57 |
| Sulis | but it can't presently be done? | 13:59 |
| trenka | I do not know out-of-box solution | 13:59 |
| Sulis | ok | 14:01 |
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| Superbia | Hello guys :) | 14:03 |
| Superbia | is there any hardware stops for running a linux system on a N800 without heavy modifications? like say sid? | 14:04 |
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| trenka | Superbia: disk space | 14:07 |
| Superbia | trenka; huh? I can get 4gb max with memory cards can't I? | 14:08 |
| trenka | yes, you can | 14:08 |
| Superbia | so it is basicly possible? :) | 14:09 |
| Superbia | why I'm asking is that I found ftp.hands.com and they seems to have a working sid for armel | 14:09 |
| trenka | if you have our kernel and initfs, it should be possible, but I did not try | 14:10 |
| Superbia | ahh okay... hmm maybe worth trying on my memory stick... got a 2gb sd | 14:11 |
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| Superbia | would be fun to try to run a linux dist with xorg and gnome or something just to see if it's possible :) | 14:14 |
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| Superbia | haha they managed to get gentoo working with e17 on a ipaq... hmm think it's time to start reading about the n800 kernel hehe | 14:34 |
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| cosmo_ | i think RAM is the problem.. current Gnome needs about 256 megs. other problem is the input, you need good virtual keyboard integration | 14:48 |
| Superbia | yeah... that is why I was thinking of gnome first as I seen lots of ppl run it on fullsize tablet like le1600 and so... | 14:49 |
| Superbia | assumed it has good onscreen support nativly... but fluxbox or so would work fine to... | 14:49 |
| trenka | Superbia: better use Daniel's xorg anyway :) | 14:49 |
| Superbia | or that hehe | 14:50 |
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| cosmo_ | i think maemo is much more suitable for 770/800 than any "normal" desktop environment | 14:51 |
| cosmo_ | GPE could also work | 14:51 |
| Superbia | probably... but I'm having little problems adepting to hildon :P I would like E or something :) | 14:51 |
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| disq | Sulis: i blogged about that in maemopeople.org (the pair-with-phone-use-handsfree-etc thing) though i really don't know where to start (where to start reading the docs) | 15:24 |
| disq | i mean, it's not common practice to get linux to emulate a headset | 15:26 |
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| Superbia | ohh I like wmaker ^^ | 15:29 |
| Superbia | and you can use standard themes without hussle... thats great :D | 15:31 |
| Superbia | brb | 15:33 |
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| saerdnaer | hi | 16:15 |
| saerdnaer | where can i get this tar2jffs2.sh script? | 16:15 |
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| saerdnaer | the subversion repository isn't publicy accessible any more | 16:17 |
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| Sulis | disq, i've just read about someone doing something with gnokii, buti don't know if that would only support nokia phones then | 16:20 |
| Sulis | anyway, i gotta go | 16:22 |
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| saerdnaer | ah okay i found a solution, just use mkfs.jffs2 | 16:47 |
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| ts0_ | is openssh not working on n800? | 17:02 |
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| |tbb| | how can i surf without the internally connection manager want to connect to a location | 17:29 |
| disq | you can add a dummy connection in the 770 | 17:38 |
| disq | that won't work with n800 though | 17:38 |
| |tbb| | i would like to doing a script which connects me with my n800 to any ap i prefer | 17:39 |
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| inode0 | Playing around I installed ushare on my slug. Using fuse/djmount it works fine from linux but the media streamer on the N800 doesn't seem to find it. Any ideas? | 17:48 |
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| kender | hello | 18:12 |
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| |mk8| | Hi to all ... | 18:31 |
| tuxperger | Hi - how things in Belgium | 18:34 |
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| jonek | hi | 19:57 |
| jonek | how do I input destinations on street level in the maemo mapper route download dialog? | 19:57 |
| jonek | it works very nicely with city names and ZIP codes | 19:59 |
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| maddler | jonek: use same syntax you wound use on Google Maps | 20:00 |
| maddler | I use something like: 157, Via Nazionale, Roma Italy | 20:01 |
| maddler | and it usually works :) | 20:01 |
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| jonek | maddler: I used the same syntax as in google maps in firefox on my desktop but get an error message on the n800 | 20:05 |
| maddler | jonek: maybe it's a top secret address? :) | 20:06 |
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| jonek | nope: in firefox (usual webinterface to google maps) it worked | 20:12 |
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| ts0_ | is openssh not working on n800? | 20:19 |
| jonek | ts0_: yes it is | 20:20 |
| maddler | ts0_: it's working... afaik... | 20:20 |
| jonek | ts0_: sorry I missread your question, I have OpenSSH running on a N800 | 20:24 |
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| konfoo | anyone know how to get the /dev/dsp working for audio? i have this in my cat of /dev/sndstat: | 21:18 |
| konfoo | Card config: | 21:18 |
| konfoo | OMAP24xx EAC with codec TSC2301 | 21:18 |
| konfoo | Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG | 21:18 |
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| superbia | bah... I hate errors I can't figure out | 22:06 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:16 |
| tigert | konfoo: use gstreamer | 22:19 |
| superbia | hello | 22:19 |
| tigert | there is a gst driver for it afaik | 22:19 |
| kender | dspmp3sink | 22:20 |
| kender | or maybe, dsppcmsink | 22:20 |
| tigert | yeah | 22:20 |
| tigert | afaik there is no other driver for the sound device | 22:20 |
| kender | no, I have tried compiling oss emulation modules for alsa | 22:21 |
| kender | and they don't seem to work | 22:21 |
| tigert | but the gst stuff there is very good afaik | 22:21 |
| tigert | so why not just use that? | 22:21 |
| kender | yes, but in many cases you need to recode 1/3 of a program | 22:21 |
| kender | (my case..) | 22:22 |
| kender | hehe | 22:22 |
| kender | and know, I have a big problem with it | 22:22 |
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| kender | because the way that the original program use the oss driver, with gst I can't do that | 22:22 |
| neal | tigert: What do you mean the gstreamer stuff is very good? | 22:22 |
| kender | neal, you can do great things in a very simple way | 22:23 |
| tigert | neal: its working nicely wiht the dsp | 22:23 |
| kender | you only have to catch what you need and use it | 22:23 |
| neal | as far as I can tell, the dspmp3sink doesn't report id3 tags | 22:23 |
| tigert | and its configured for you and it works | 22:23 |
| tigert | just like you wish stuff was on your regular linux distro :P | 22:23 |
| neal | which other plugins do | 22:24 |
| neal | and playbin is completely broken as far as I can tell | 22:24 |
| tigert | well, this is my _impression_ which may be wrong too | 22:24 |
| kender | I think I have used it in the N800 | 22:24 |
| kender | but I'm not sure | 22:24 |
| neal | both of these things are quite inconvenient | 22:24 |
| neal | because it works on other distributions | 22:24 |
| tigert | should do a simple webcam util with python and gstreamer | 22:24 |
| neal | which means that one has to introduce maemo specific hacks | 22:24 |
| kender | yeah | 22:24 |
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| kender | change one line of the code | 22:25 |
| kender | s/dspmp3sink/alsasink/g | 22:25 |
| kender | that's all | 22:25 |
| kender | and add a mp3 decoder | 22:25 |
| kender | mad or any else | 22:26 |
| neal | kender : are you responding to something I sad? | 22:26 |
| neal | said | 22:26 |
| kender | <neal> which means that one has to introduce maemo specific hacks | 22:26 |
| kender | that are the specific hacks | 22:27 |
| neal | playbin is also broken | 22:27 |
| kender | If you have an app that works with gst | 22:27 |
| kender | yes, but better is not to use it in the device | 22:27 |
| kender | if you use it you don't use mp3 hardware decoder | 22:27 |
| neal | huh? | 22:28 |
| neal | with playbin? | 22:28 |
| kender | any way, I don't know why it doesn't work | 22:28 |
| kender | mm.. | 22:28 |
| neal | playbin auto detects the best module | 22:28 |
| kender | maybe that's not true | 22:28 |
| kender | mine I mean | 22:28 |
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| kender | neal, I think that they use gstreamer because they are using the lastest tecnology | 22:31 |
| kender | dbus, hal | 22:31 |
| neal | I'm not against gstreamer | 22:32 |
| neal | I'm for it | 22:32 |
| neal | but it sucks that they use it and still the stuff is not portable | 22:32 |
| neal | it's like with gtk+ | 22:32 |
| kender | hehehe | 22:32 |
| kender | yeah, true | 22:32 |
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| kender | but, same things happen with everything :( | 22:32 |
| kender | and the closed code parts doesn't help very much | 22:33 |
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| maddler | exit | 22:38 |
| maddler | wops :D | 22:38 |
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| superbia | hmm lets see if this works better | 22:52 |
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| bingo | hi do you know if there is a way to took photos and videos with the N800? | 23:22 |
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| maddler | bingo: no, not yet at least... | 23:34 |
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| superbia | is it easy to brick a nokia tablet? :D | 23:53 |
| superbia | or can just almost always just reflash it? | 23:55 |
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