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| keesj | mmcqd and metalayer-crawler are always on top in "top" and my average load is > 2 , is that normal behaviour? | 00:07 |
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| mgedmin | no | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | not after metalayer-crawler stops indexing your mmc cards | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | if you've just booted or just inserted a card, then it is normal | 00:09 |
| keesj | uptime 50 minutes | 00:10 |
| maddler | keesj... bug 978 | 00:11 |
| maddler | I think it may also be caused by symlinks abd crawler recursively trying to index... | 00:12 |
| maddler | s/abd/and/ | 00:13 |
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| mgedmin | it would be interesting to see what it crawls | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | http://localhost:8080/pdr/subjects/test2/current/report | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | oops | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | stupid x clipboard | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | ls -l /proc/`pidof metalayer-crawler`/fd | 00:16 |
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| keesj | maddler: thanks | 00:21 |
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| jtra | has anybody else who tried http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/xterm.html encountered some issues which are not described in "known issues" section? | 00:24 |
| Sulis | what should the links for internet radio stations actually look like for media player? the ones from shoutcast.com don't get labelled...so it's really quite hard to tell what they are | 00:25 |
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| keesj | jtra: I downloaded the sources but did not try yet, you are not making it easet to test | 00:28 |
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| jtra | keesj: what would help? | 00:33 |
| keesj | for hacker to put the different debs in one file, for users to put them in a .install. for me to put it in mud | 00:34 |
| keesj | and perhaps remove the -doc deb if not necerary, | 00:36 |
| jtra | you don't have to install -doc deb | 00:37 |
| keesj | but your website points to an apache directory , I can't even read the full file names | 00:38 |
| jtra | I will correct that | 00:39 |
| keesj | I am testing on the n800 , is the osso-xterm the right command to start? if so I get osso-xterm: error while loading shared libraries: libXau.so.0 | 00:39 |
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| jtra | the command is right | 00:42 |
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| keesj | and with apt-get update /upgrade the osso-xterm is replaced by the bora version | 00:45 |
| keesj | libxau6 is installed om the n800 not 0 | 00:45 |
| jtra | libXau.so.0 is in libxau0 package on 770 | 00:46 |
| keesj | I guess that a source rebuilt would be a better solution :p | 00:46 |
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| jtra | seems so, I don't have scratchbox for any other version than maemo2.1 | 00:47 |
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| keesj | jtra: why? | 00:51 |
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| keesj | 2.1 plays nice with 3.0 | 00:52 |
| keesj | I created a dsl based qemu image that does 2.1 and 3.0 but I have not tested it much | 00:53 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 01:04 |
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| neal | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/armel-minimal/ doesn't contain an arm rootstrap | 01:09 |
| neal | and the link, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-minimal-rootstrap.tgz, on http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html is broken | 01:10 |
| * pahartik notices that document at "http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation" suggests to "apt-get source su-18-kernel", but does not tell where that source can be fetched from | 01:14 | |
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| keesj | are many people going to fosdem? I might go | 01:20 |
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| Superbia | Hello, how come I keep getting permission denied when trying to execute code on my n800? doesn't really matter if it's a python or perl script.. still same | 01:23 |
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| b0unc3 | the battery of 770 and n800 are the same ? | 01:24 |
| disq | Superbia: maybe it's because /media/mmc*/ are mounted as noexec? :) | 01:24 |
| disq | b0unc3: yes. | 01:25 |
| b0unc3 | disq: ok, thanks | 01:25 |
| Superbia | disq, hehe might be :D so I might need to change that first hehe | 01:25 |
| disq | or copy the scrips over to ~ :) | 01:26 |
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| Superbia | is there a fstab I could edit like on "larger" linux systems or is it some special thingies here? :) | 01:26 |
| maddler | Superbia: look @ /etc/fstab | 01:27 |
| Superbia | thanks... man I really need to get nano or something... | 01:28 |
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| b0unc3 | argh... my n800 dosen't boot more... ;( | 01:32 |
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| disq | Superbia: there's a mc package somewhere. in fact i think maddler compiled it :) | 01:40 |
| Superbia | oh? hehe I can't seem to get vi to work as I want it on the onscreen keyboard... :P | 01:41 |
| disq | you could apt-get install ssh and ssh from your desktop box | 01:42 |
| disq | you'll have to login as root first (default password is rootme, change it) and change "user" 's password (which is locked by default i think) too | 01:42 |
| Superbia | done that... but it keeps disconnecting at random and then I need to restart the n800 for it to work again... | 01:43 |
| disq | interesting | 01:43 |
| Tak | anyone know what's the deal with the latest canola release ? | 01:43 |
| disq | there's a latest? lemme check | 01:43 |
| disq | oh, probably it's mplayer-enabled? | 01:44 |
| Tak | yeah, I just noticed when updating my apt sources | 01:44 |
| Superbia | starting to wonder if it's possible to put debian on the n800 and use the default ARM build of all packages... hehe finding repos for everything is more the half the work in getting it to work :P | 01:46 |
| Tak | hmm - I don't see anything about mplayer | 01:47 |
| disq | there's a guy who installed debian-armel in mmc, ran a second xserver from there (chrooted) and used vncviewer to connect | 01:47 |
| disq | details in planet.maemo.org or in maemo-(users|developers) mailinglist | 01:47 |
| Superbia | haha okay, that sounds a little complicated too... :P I was more thinking of doing a total backup and reflashing... must be possible right? | 01:48 |
| disq | Tak: there was some talk about it here today | 01:48 |
| Tak | I see | 01:48 |
| disq | i don't either | 01:50 |
| disq | time for bed, look in the irc logs, tak :) | 01:51 |
| disq | night | 01:51 |
| Superbia | night ^^ | 01:51 |
| maddler | Superbia: http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ | 01:53 |
| maddler | Tak: I checked an hour ago and no canola news... | 01:54 |
| maddler | lemme see... | 01:54 |
| maddler | damn techies!!! you can't leave them alone not even for a second! | 01:55 |
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| Superbia | thanks ^^ | 01:57 |
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| Superbia | hehe net techs? :P | 01:57 |
| maddler | hehe | 02:00 |
| Superbia | is there something wrong with the run-standalone.sh script or am I missing something again? I got not found and the scrupt I run it on? | 02:00 |
| * maddler is an happy techno geek! :D | 02:00 | |
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| Tak | Skyhusker's port of xchat rocks | 02:01 |
| maddler | Superbia: dunno... | 02:08 |
| Superbia | maddler: I think I need to start with understanding why I need it and work from there... ^^ | 02:09 |
| maddler | Tak: any special difference with inz's one? | 02:09 |
| maddler | Superbia: yep... sounds like a good strategy? | 02:10 |
| Tak | which one is inz's one? | 02:10 |
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| Superbia | maddler: yeah... I furst thought it was just python script.py but after some googling it seems I need to run run-standalone.sh script.py for it to work... need to figure out why.. | 02:11 |
| Pio | heh im trying to figure out which one i have now | 02:11 |
| Pio | which xchat port | 02:11 |
| Tak | this one is maemo-xchat 2.8.0 | 02:11 |
| Pio | hmm thats not the one i have | 02:12 |
| Superbia | why doesn't bluetooth start on boot on the n800? | 02:13 |
| maddler | Tak: where from? | 02:14 |
| maddler | Superbia: known bug | 02:14 |
| maddler | if you dare you could add an rc.local script to your boot sequence... | 02:15 |
| maddler | I have: haciconfig hci0 up | 02:15 |
| maddler | so that my BT is enabled by default at boot... | 02:15 |
| * pahartik manages to get "make config" of "linux-source-2.6.16" done on Maemo 2.2 and starts "make" | 02:15 | |
| Superbia | ahh thanks :) | 02:15 |
| maddler | Superbia: np | 02:15 |
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| Tak | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/install/xchat.install | 02:15 |
| Superbia | haha your making a kernel on the internet tablet or in a sandbox? | 02:16 |
| Superbia | maddler: should I make the /etc/rc.d dir too or is it placed somewhere else here? | 02:17 |
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| Pio | the version of xchat i have can't auto-join channels, the options are not in the server list dialogs.. is that different in skyhusker's by any chance? | 02:18 |
| Tak | yeah | 02:18 |
| Pio | thank god | 02:18 |
| Pio | im switching right now heh | 02:18 |
| * pahartik assumes that "/home/user/kernel-source-2.6.16/scripts/gen_initramfs_list.sh: 59: Syntax error: Bad substitution" means it wants "bash" or something | 02:18 | |
| Tak | in the old one, the dialogs run off the screen | 02:18 |
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| Toma- | Yellownotes is the bomb ;) | 02:19 |
| maddler | Superbia: having it in /etc/init.d/ is higly suggested... | 02:20 |
| Pio | hmm no mistral builds? | 02:21 |
| Pio | or scirocco | 02:21 |
| Superbia | maddler: hehe | 02:24 |
| maddler | Tak: it's not showing in available apps... | 02:24 |
| maddler | Tak: and the repository looks empty as well... | 02:24 |
| Tak | under m? | 02:24 |
| * konfoo scratches chin | 02:24 | |
| maddler | Tak: ok... ok... was lookig for ^x | 02:25 |
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| maddlero | ghgh | 02:28 |
| maddlero | yes... working pretty nice... | 02:28 |
| maddler | ping maddlero | 02:28 |
| maddler | wops... | 02:28 |
| maddler | :) | 02:29 |
| Tak | heh | 02:30 |
| maddler | Tak: I really miss full-screen btw... | 02:30 |
| Tak | ditto - supposedly it works on n800... | 02:31 |
| maddler | beide beside I still prefer using irssi over an ssh/screen session :) | 02:31 |
| * Tak shrugs | 02:31 | |
| maddler | Tak: no... it's not working on N800... | 02:31 |
| * Tak shrugs again | 02:31 | |
| com1 | has Fceu been updated yet for maemo? | 02:32 |
| * com1 waits | 02:32 | |
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| maddler | Architecture: armel | 02:32 |
| maddler | Version: 0.98.12-4 | 02:32 |
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| Tak | com1: not quite yet | 02:33 |
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| Tak | still tweaking | 02:33 |
| com1 | ok | 02:33 |
| * pahartik gives up with Linux kernel source as "bash" package conflicts with "busybox" package | 02:33 | |
| maddler | pahartik: use m-bash instead... | 02:34 |
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| com1 | tak, whaat u think of oqo? | 02:34 |
| com1 | ver 2 | 02:34 |
| pahartik | maddler: What is that? | 02:34 |
| Tak | oqo? | 02:34 |
| maddler | a working bash port | 02:35 |
| com1 | oqo.com | 02:36 |
| com1 | umpc | 02:36 |
| com1 | thought ya knew | 02:36 |
| Tak | eh - I am supremely unimpressed with any winbased umpc | 02:37 |
| Superbia | is it possible to reset a n800 to factory settings? | 02:38 |
| pahartik | maddler: Document at "http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006" does not know it, AltaVista did not show anything relevant | 02:38 |
| maddler | Superbia: you need to reflash... | 02:38 |
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| Superbia | maddler: yeah I was about to use the flashing tool... but it was older then the version I got with it as new... | 02:39 |
| maddler | pahartik: it should be in maemo-hackers's repo... IIRC | 02:39 |
| maddler | Superbia: user flasher-3.0 | 02:39 |
| Superbia | maddler: okay, that one is better then nokias own? :) | 02:40 |
| maddler | Superbia: sorry... my fault... flasher-3.0 is for linux based systems... | 02:41 |
| * maddler is linux-centric | 02:41 | |
| maddler | I should remember that there are some other OSs users around... | 02:41 |
| maddler | :) | 02:42 |
| Superbia | I got a linux box too so that is okay... just want to get it back to factory settings so I can make a clean backup and boot from sd from now on :P | 02:42 |
| pahartik | maddler: Document at "http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/m/" does not mention "m-bash"... | 02:42 |
| Toma- | Can you run mistral apps on gregale? | 02:43 |
| maddler | pahartik: wait... lemme check... | 02:43 |
| Tak | yes | 02:43 |
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| maddler | pahartik: bash-m | 02:45 |
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| pahartik | maddler: And... Based on "http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php", "flasher-3.0" is only available for Linux on wintel platform | 02:45 |
| maddler | on deb http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770 mistral user | 02:45 |
| maddler | pahartik: yes... I already said that... | 02:45 |
| maddler | on that other gui you need to use Nokia's official flasher | 02:46 |
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| Toma- | How do you find out what version you have? | 02:47 |
| pahartik | maddler: Oh, now AltaVista pointed me to relevant document for "bash-m" | 02:47 |
| Tak | of what? | 02:47 |
| Toma- | Of maemo | 02:48 |
| Toma- | I got a 2nd hand 770 and the guy said he updated it | 02:48 |
| Tak | control panel -> device -> about product | 02:49 |
| Toma- | .39-14?? | 02:50 |
| Tak | scirocco | 02:51 |
| Toma- | Cool :> | 02:51 |
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| Superbia | 2.2006.51-7 hmm | 02:52 |
| maddler | Superbia: on N800... | 02:53 |
| Superbia | yeah... latest flash I found is 51.6 | 02:54 |
| Superbia | 51-6* | 02:54 |
| maddler | here that 51-7 comes from? | 02:54 |
| maddler | here=where | 02:54 |
| Superbia | finland if you mean country | 02:54 |
| maddler | no... I mean... you have 51-7 on your device? | 02:55 |
| maddler | or whas that a typo? | 02:55 |
| Superbia | yeah | 02:55 |
| Superbia | I got 51-7 | 02:55 |
| maddler | doh... | 02:55 |
| maddler | so a new build... | 02:55 |
| Superbia | seems so | 02:55 |
| Superbia | but not even the nokia flashing tool finds it... it says I would downgrade if I continued... | 02:56 |
| maddler | yep... | 02:56 |
| maddler | that would be nice to have a changelog... | 02:56 |
| Toma- | God damn default browser keeps crashing ;/ | 02:57 |
| Superbia | how can I get you one? | 02:57 |
| maddler | have you got xterm? | 02:59 |
| Superbia | yeah | 02:59 |
| maddler | dpkg -l > packages.txt | 02:59 |
| maddler | and then mail me packages.txt | 02:59 |
| maddler | :) | 03:00 |
| maddler | maddler@maddler.net | 03:00 |
| juho | btw do you have any information when new upgrade comes for n800 os | 03:02 |
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| juho | maybe in few days | 03:02 |
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| Superbia | it should to trying to send it now | 03:06 |
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| * pahartik manages to install "bash-m" | 03:07 | |
| pahartik | maddler: Thank you | 03:07 |
| maddler | juho: it should be here in the next few weeks I'd say... | 03:14 |
| maddler | juho: even if I'm kinda curious about that 51-7 release... | 03:14 |
| juho | hmm so long, i thought that it would be released very soon | 03:15 |
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| Superbia | it can't be that new... it's mentioned in a artical from 020207 ^^ | 03:16 |
| pahartik | maddler: However, it still fails at same point... I do not know what it wants | 03:17 |
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| maddler | Superbia: any link? | 03:19 |
| Superbia | http://blog.2blocksaway.com/2007/02/02/customizing-the-nokia-n800-and-770-or-how-to-configure-the-device-for-your-purposes/ | 03:20 |
| Superbia | tried to get a flash from there... but 404 ofc | 03:20 |
| zanshin | hello everybody, I'm new to developing maemo applications. I've setup the develop environment, and did some experimenting with creating debian packages. The next thing I would like to try is to cross-compile for the arm cpu and test the program on the nokia 770. What is the best way to do this? | 03:22 |
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| paolo | Hello | 03:25 |
| paolo | I got the nokia 770 | 03:25 |
| Superbia | maddler; think I found the 51-7 flash if your intrested | 03:26 |
| paolo | And i need to install ssh.deb.armel | 03:26 |
| maddler | paolo: http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ | 03:26 |
| maddler | and download dropbear deb package | 03:27 |
| paolo | And many others, but i dont know where to search | 03:27 |
| maddler | Superbia: link? | 03:27 |
| maddler | paolo: www.maemo.org can be a nice start... | 03:27 |
| Superbia | maddler:http://blog.2blocksaway.com/files/ | 03:27 |
| Superbia | it seems like they just renamed the files and didn't update the artical | 03:28 |
| maddler | hehe... it happens... :) | 03:29 |
| paolo | How can i solve the problem of keyboard ? | 03:29 |
| Superbia | yeah :D downloading it now and will give it a try and see or hmm think I will try it tomorrow... starting to get late here :P | 03:29 |
| * pahartik feels frustrated due to lack of custom kernel image, but refuses to sleep | 03:31 | |
| Superbia | hehe yeah... I was a little surprised that there wasn't more "non maemo" flashes for it | 03:32 |
| maddler | pahartik: there is a howto about building custo kernel images... on maemo.org | 03:32 |
| paolo | Than i see that near the battery there is something that is similar to a serial port rs232 but it is not possibile to have the cable, i just asked to nokia and they said me that is only to flash and only they can use it have solved in any way the problem ? | 03:33 |
| maddler | are you working with that? | 03:33 |
| maddler | paolo: problem with keyboard? | 03:33 |
| Superbia | Night guys :) | 03:33 |
| maddler | the "serial" close to the battery is supposed to be something like a service stuff... or something like that... | 03:34 |
| maddler | Superbia: bye dude! | 03:34 |
| paolo | To use an external keyobard than to use the virtual of nokia | 03:34 |
| paolo | Night | 03:35 |
| maddler | paolo: you need to use a bluetooth keyboard... | 03:35 |
| maddler | *maybe* in the future it will also possibile to use usb keyboards... | 03:35 |
| maddler | *maybe* | 03:35 |
| paolo | But it is expensive something as 100 euros in italy | 03:35 |
| maddler | as of now a BT keyboard is your only chance... | 03:36 |
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| maddler | paolo: try on ebay... on keep using on screen keyboard... :) | 03:36 |
| maddler | cheaper keyboards tend to be low quality as well... | 03:37 |
| paolo | Some hacking to use the wifi on a cable sucoflex and connector sma ? | 03:38 |
| maddler | wifi on a cable? | 03:39 |
| paolo | So could be possibile to use an external antenna more efficent than nokia | 03:39 |
| maddler | sorry... but I can hardly see what you mean, dude... | 03:39 |
| maddler | oh... you mean adding an external antenna? | 03:39 |
| paolo | Yes | 03:40 |
| maddler | dunno... maybe... but I'd say internal antenna is working pretty good... | 03:40 |
| maddler | no need to have a hole in N800 case... | 03:40 |
| paolo | Possbly where are living but in italy there are not many hot spots and many people left them open without connection or they use wep | 03:42 |
| pahartik | maddler: I did read document at "http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation", but I do not really know if I missed something important, as it assumes that one can use "Scratchbox" | 03:43 |
| maddler | sorry... can't understand you... what an external antenna would change? | 03:43 |
| maddler | pahartik: if you cannot use sbox you cannot build :) | 03:44 |
| com1 | bleh, opera always crashes | 03:44 |
| paolo | We have realized the http://ninux.org here in italy, we buy connection and then we give for free and gratis, but at the moment the MAN is not complete in Rome | 03:44 |
| maddler | com1: tried enablig virtual memory? | 03:45 |
| com1 | ok, let me try | 03:45 |
| maddler | paolo: yes, but, what's the deal having an external antenna? | 03:45 |
| pahartik | maddler: "Scratchbox" seems to require wintel architecture, I tried to build on Nokia 770 with 1 GiB MMC as "/" filesystem | 03:45 |
| maddler | pahartik: no... it works on a Linux box... | 03:45 |
| maddler | pahartik: no other OSs :) | 03:46 |
| paolo | To have more gain (db) | 03:46 |
| pbrook | pahartik: AFAIK there's nothing x86 specific about scratchbox. It's certainly not windows based. | 03:47 |
| maddler | paolo: I can tell you it works amazingly... | 03:47 |
| paolo | I need to to update the kernel and i was thinking to take the complete kernel | 03:48 |
| shackan | maddler, but not when you're stealing your neighbour's wifi, which is what I assume paolo means | 03:48 |
| pbrook | Building stuff on the device itself is going to be painful at best. | 03:48 |
| pahartik | maddler: That sounds good... | 03:48 |
| maddler | shackan: hehehe... | 03:49 |
| maddler | pahartik: yep... if you have a linux box it won't be too hard to have sbox installed... | 03:50 |
| maddler | compiling on N800 would take a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time... | 03:50 |
| pahartik | pbrook: I do not see any big problems with building on Nokia 770 other than that it is apparently difficult to set up | 03:50 |
| maddler | paolo: complete kernel? | 03:50 |
| paolo | I would remove all the not free software of nokia and use more possbly free software (gnu gpl) | 03:51 |
| paolo | Yes, that available on maemo.org | 03:51 |
| pbrook | pahartik: It's also going to be pretty slow. The cpu issn't that fast, you've got very little ram, and the storage subsystem (mmc cards) are also fairly slow. | 03:51 |
| maddler | paolo: good luck... since you won't be able to use may "proprietary" devices... | 03:52 |
| maddler | paolo: that *could* be (maybe) in the future... | 03:52 |
| pbrook | pahartik: You're starting with a fairly stripped down system, so you're likely to have to replace a lot of that. | 03:52 |
| paolo | I need of ping, traceroute, nat and many others i just mounted the wireless tools to use iwconfig | 03:53 |
| pahartik | pbrook: I am not worried about time, my old Alpha workstation easily takes 10 hours while building native image of Linux kernel | 03:53 |
| maddler | paolo: I suggest you to spend some time looking at already available software... | 03:53 |
| pbrook | n800 is unlikely to be much/any faster. | 03:53 |
| * konfoo kicks windows | 03:53 | |
| pahartik | pbrook: And my Nokia 770 came with "charger", so battery would not run out of power | 03:53 |
| konfoo | i love the fact that adapter 0 = 65539 | 03:54 |
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| pbrook | pahartik: Apart from anything else, you have to start by cross-building a native toolchain... | 03:55 |
| maddler | pahartik: btw, ping and mtr have already been ported... | 03:56 |
| maddler | sorry... I meant paolo | 03:56 |
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| pahartik | pbrook: I have got this dual-CPU PowerPC 7455 workstation with plenty of RAM and disk space... And want custom kernel for Nokia 770 (I have built many Linux kernels for various architectures during almost 10 years, but only native binaries for architecture)... Which document should I look at? | 04:00 |
| pbrook | Cross compiling a kernel is dead easy once you have the toolchain (ie. compiler). | 04:01 |
| maddler | ok... time to hit the bed here... | 04:01 |
| maddler | pahartik: following the maemo's howto should give you everything you need... imho...\ | 04:01 |
| maddler | later... | 04:01 |
| maddler | I mean... see you all later... :) | 04:02 |
| paolo | Than i would like to know from nokia why they said that use embedded gnu/linux debian, and then left people to theirself, no ping, no traceroute,no iwconfig, no iwpriv, no iwspy, no iwlist, no shell why a community must work for free and gratis, and pay 378 euros and to help ourself when they could release just complete without create problems to us ? At the and no ssh and more bad thing is that usb is 1.1 when just was available the usb 2.0 | 04:02 |
| paolo | the mmc is a 16bit, and usb is not in host but you must write strings on shell to active it | 04:02 |
| pbrook | maddler: Doesn't the howto basically say "install the x86 scratchbox binaries"? | 04:02 |
| maddler | paolo: simply because the tablet is not intended to do all that... | 04:03 |
| maddler | pbrook: yes... | 04:03 |
| maddler | paolo: did you bought a PC? | 04:03 |
| pbrook | maddler: Not terribly helpful if you've only got ppc boxen... | 04:04 |
| maddler | paolo: when you buy a PC you install Linux on it... and start doing whatever you want... | 04:04 |
| maddler | paolo: you can't complain with Nokia about that... | 04:04 |
| maddler | paolo: I'd be happy to have _everything_ released under a GPL license... but that's another story... | 04:04 |
| maddler | paolo: and also, it only takes less than 1 hour to have a "fully" working N800... | 04:05 |
| maddler | pbrook: there is keesj vmware virtual machine... | 04:06 |
| pbrook | maddler: Still no use on ppc boxen. | 04:06 |
| pbrook | I guess you could run it under qemu if you're really patient. | 04:06 |
| maddler | pbrook: I can sell you a nice Intel or AMD box :) | 04:07 |
| maddler | paolo: by the way you just gave me the feeling that's easier to complain... instead of acting... | 04:08 |
| maddler | ok... and now... bed! | 04:08 |
| pbrook | It's pahartik that's got harware beyond his capabilities, not me. I already have fast amd boxen and am the person that built the sb/maemo arm toolchains in the first place ;-) | 04:08 |
| maddler | well... I could sell you a couple PCs anyway... :) | 04:09 |
| maddler | I will also give you a for free the OS! :D | 04:10 |
| maddler | afk! | 04:10 |
| paolo | Not all the people are able to do cross-compiling, me for the first one, could be better to use a mini gcc for armel. Flashing the nokia all the softwares deb.arm are not anymore good, and it is necessary to find or write software .deb.armel little endian until .deb.arm big endian, then i don't know the difference from big and little endian and why if you flash the nokia, the cpu think as little endian than big, things i never known | 04:11 |
| pbrook | paolo: You aren't making sense. | 04:11 |
| shackan | sigh | 04:12 |
| * pahartik notices that "http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/0.9.8/doc/installdoc.html#AEN54" and "http://scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#AEN47" mention "x86 platform" as requirement | 04:12 | |
| pbrook | That's what scratchbox it for. You don't need to know/care that you're building for a non-native target. | 04:12 |
| maddler | paolo: are you some kind of robot?! | 04:13 |
| * pahartik does not want wintel hardware, Alpha/PowerPC/SPARC (and many others) are quite nice | 04:13 | |
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| paolo | No, i am writing now, and | 04:14 |
| maddler | ok... then... better to take a good breath... focus on what you want to say... and say that... | 04:14 |
| maddler | short sentences... | 04:14 |
| paolo | I am in the middle of a street | 04:14 |
| maddler | it will help... | 04:14 |
| maddler | watch out for cars... | 04:15 |
| paolo | To sniff wifi, this because at home | 04:15 |
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| idefix | And this why at home i have not dsl, so now i am sniffing in the middle of a street | 04:19 |
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| idefix | good night | 04:20 |
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| maddler | at 3.20am?! in the street? man... you really haven't anything better to do? | 04:21 |
| maddler | ok... gone for real now...\ | 04:21 |
| Milhouse | paolo: you don't know the difference between big and little endian? i mean, that's like computer 101... ;) Always like MC 68Ks myself (big endian)... | 04:21 |
| Snelhest | ive ordered a nokia n800 2days ago and im wondering a small thing | 04:21 |
| Snelhest | is the operating system stored on the memory card? | 04:21 |
| pbrook | You're also completely wrong about the differece between arm and armel debs. They're both little-edian, just different ABIs. | 04:21 |
| Tak | what is this, flame the noob? | 04:22 |
| pbrook | Snelhest: No. It's got 256Mb flash built in. | 04:22 |
| Milhouse | was only joking - bad joke. sorry. :( | 04:22 |
| Snelhest | pbrook: ok, thanks :) | 04:22 |
| Snelhest | if i manage to break it installing some package etc is it easy to recover? | 04:22 |
| Milhouse | pretty much - just reflash it, effectively a factory reset | 04:23 |
| pbrook | It's fairly easy to reflash the whole thing, yes. | 04:23 |
| Snelhest | ok :) | 04:23 |
| Milhouse | pretty hard to "brick" it under normal circumstances | 04:23 |
| pbrook | You can also boot off a flash card if you want to. | 04:23 |
| Snelhest | ok | 04:23 |
| Snelhest | got a dell axim x51v now | 04:23 |
| pbrook | Doesn't do that out the box, but it's a fairly easy hack. | 04:24 |
| Milhouse | Snelhest - stepping up in the world, eh? ;) | 04:24 |
| Snelhest | ok, well i just wondered because i got a 2gb SD and a 1GB | 04:24 |
| Snelhest | Milhouse: :) | 04:24 |
| Milhouse | 4GB SD is supported despite what Nokia say, SDHC (8GB+) is also supported with a custom kernel (and you'll need a Linux PC to install the custom kernel, very easy if you have the PC) | 04:25 |
| Snelhest | got 2linux computers at home so thats not a problem | 04:25 |
| Snelhest | hmm AAC support? | 04:26 |
| Snelhest | do i need mplayer for that? | 04:26 |
| Milhouse | Anyone wonder if this $1.5B fine for Microsoft will focus Nokias attention on OGG support? | 04:26 |
| Snelhest | its not any protected music | 04:27 |
| Snelhest | but currently at my axim i got everything in aac | 04:27 |
| Milhouse | Snelhest - AAC Audio is supposedly supported out of the box, never tried it though | 04:28 |
| Snelhest | ok, nice | 04:28 |
| Milhouse | Audio: AAC, AMR, MP2, MP3, RA (RealAudio), WAV, WMA | 04:28 |
| Snelhest | :) | 04:28 |
| Milhouse | Video: 3GP, AVI, H.263, MPEG-1, MPEG-4, RV (Real Video) | 04:28 |
| Snelhest | when i was thinking about buying a 770 | 04:29 |
| Snelhest | there was a whole list of all applications | 04:29 |
| Snelhest | does there exist anyone now? | 04:29 |
| Snelhest | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 | 04:29 |
| Milhouse | That's out of date | 04:30 |
| pahartik | Snelhest: AAC is supported, but only as ADTS, not inside MPEG-4 container (apparently) | 04:30 |
| Milhouse | http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 04:30 |
| Snelhest | pahartik: hmmm ok | 04:30 |
| pbrook | Most of the 770 binaries will also work on the n800. Fixing the few that don't is usually fairly straightforward. | 04:31 |
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| Snelhest | http://snelhest.org/temp/mp4.png | 04:31 |
| Snelhest | pbrook: ive been converting all albums with foobar using nero's mp4 application | 04:31 |
| Snelhest | oops wrong person | 04:32 |
| Snelhest | pahartik: http://snelhest.org/temp/mp4.png | 04:32 |
| Milhouse | Why did you choose AAC? | 04:32 |
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| Snelhest | saving space, i got everything left in mp3 of course | 04:33 |
| Snelhest | but at my pda i only had 2gb space before | 04:33 |
| Milhouse | Not that you have an awful lot of choice for the N800, in terms of compressed formats. Maybe when they update the firmware in a few weeks they'll add additional formats | 04:33 |
| Snelhest | ok | 04:34 |
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| Snelhest | etc http://tinyurl.com/355sdz | 04:34 |
| Snelhest | gaim it says for os 2006 | 04:34 |
| Milhouse | yeah, works fine with the N800 | 04:34 |
| Snelhest | ok :) | 04:35 |
| Snelhest | does anyone feel like testing a mp4 file? ^^ | 04:36 |
| Milhouse | If you have a problem with GAIM, check the Internet Tablet forum - there is a thread on there specifically for GAIM/OS 2007. I think it may be dependent on a missing library, which may be installed when you install Maemo Mapper so possibly install the latter before GAIM if you have a problem. | 04:36 |
| Milhouse | Go on then | 04:36 |
| Snelhest | if it doesnt work i should start converting music to ogg right now | 04:36 |
| Snelhest | ok 1sec | 04:36 |
| Snelhest | uploading.. 2mb bifg | 04:37 |
| Snelhest | big* | 04:37 |
| Milhouse | np | 04:37 |
| Snelhest | got any link for that forum? | 04:37 |
| Milhouse | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ | 04:38 |
| Snelhest | thanks | 04:38 |
| Snelhest | ok, www.snelhest.org/temp/temp.mp4 | 04:38 |
| Milhouse | 404 | 04:38 |
| Snelhest | oops.. | 04:39 |
| Snelhest | www.snelhest.org/temp/test.mp4 | 04:39 |
| Snelhest | ^^ | 04:39 |
| Milhouse | got it - coming down now... | 04:39 |
| Snelhest | :) | 04:39 |
| Snelhest | converted over 60albums so i hope it works... | 04:39 |
| Milhouse | Bill Ray Cirus - Akey Brakey Heart... you sure? ;) | 04:40 |
| Snelhest | hah | 04:40 |
| Milhouse | I think this may traumatise my N800... just transferring it over now | 04:41 |
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| Snelhest | hmm, when you connect the n800 it appears as a standard UMS drive? | 04:41 |
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| Snelhest | no drivers right? | 04:42 |
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| Milhouse | correct - just a mass storage drive | 04:42 |
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| Snelhest | :) | 04:43 |
| Snelhest | 3,5mm sdcard mini-usb UMS, it cant get any better | 04:43 |
| Milhouse | Computer says... Yes | 04:44 |
| Milhouse | It plays fine on the N800 | 04:44 |
| Snelhest | ahh :) | 04:44 |
| Milhouse | (the test.mp4) | 04:44 |
| Milhouse | No offence, going to delete it now! ;) | 04:44 |
| Snelhest | haha ;) | 04:44 |
| Milhouse | Not my cup of tea - who are they? death metal or something? | 04:44 |
| Snelhest | yes, arch enemy | 04:45 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: So Maemo 3.0 default audio player does play audio inside MPEG-4 container as well? | 04:46 |
| Milhouse | You can't beat Perry Como | 04:46 |
| Milhouse | It played that file | 04:46 |
| Milhouse | Picked up the tags as well | 04:46 |
| Milhouse | Using the standard media player | 04:46 |
| Milhouse | all looked fine | 04:46 |
| Snelhest | nice | 04:46 |
| Snelhest | going to stick with mp4 then | 04:47 |
| Milhouse | Sounded terrible, but that wasn't due to technical issues. :) | 04:47 |
| Snelhest | :P | 04:47 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: (I have only tried with Maemo 2.1 so far, it did not want to do anything with MPEG-4 AAC) | 04:47 |
| Milhouse | Do you have a 770? | 04:48 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: Yes | 04:48 |
| Milhouse | Let me give that mp4 a spin on OS 2007 for 770 v2 | 04:48 |
| Snelhest | v2 = the latest? | 04:48 |
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| Milhouse | yes | 04:48 |
| Snelhest | ok | 04:49 |
| Snelhest | btw are there any way to connect a standard USB keyboard etc? | 04:49 |
| Snelhest | without modifying inside it ^^ | 04:49 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: Now my Nokia does have Maemo 2.2, but I have not tried AAC on it yet... Content got wiped out from MMC as I did "mke2fs" to copy new root filesystem on it | 04:50 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: "Nokia" as in "Nokia 770" | 04:51 |
| Milhouse | is AAC supported by OS 2006? | 04:51 |
| Milhouse | MP4 not working in OS 2007 on 770 :( | 04:53 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: Maemo 2.1 Audio player does play AAC just fine (using DSP), but does not understand MPEG-4 container | 04:53 |
| Milhouse | It's pulling out the tags OK, but won't play it ("File format not supported") | 04:54 |
| Milhouse | could be a gconf issue | 04:54 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: I would think it is "gstreamer" issue... Version they used probably did not have MPEG-4 demultiplexer code | 04:55 |
| Milhouse | that, or the decoder isn't registered - Markku provided me with a gconf patch to get streaming to work (needed to register the correct gsteamer plugin) | 04:57 |
| pahartik | Milhouse: But it is good to know that it has been fixed on Maemo 3.0... For example iTunes always encodes (and wants) AAC content inside MPEG-4 container, does not even look at ADTS AAC | 04:58 |
| Snelhest | the camera in n800, how good are the quality? | 04:59 |
| Snelhest | better than a camera phone? | 04:59 |
| Milhouse | Snelhest - awful | 04:59 |
| Snelhest | ok :/ | 04:59 |
| Milhouse | it's only a VGA camera - 640x480. Lots of noise when inside | 05:00 |
| pbrook | Snelhest: No. It's cheap webcam quality. | 05:00 |
| Snelhest | ok, are there any sample clips somewhere? | 05:00 |
| pahartik | Snelhest: Good enough to recognize person on other end of video call within few seconds... | 05:00 |
| Snelhest | ok | 05:00 |
| Milhouse | Needs a lot of light before the pictures become OK - in a dark room, reaaaaly bad quality | 05:00 |
| Snelhest | can you record with it? | 05:01 |
| shackan | evince on my n800, I'm an happy man now | 05:01 |
| shackan | ..if only I could find a decent calendar app | 05:02 |
| shackan | what do you people use to manage your schedule ? (google calendar or any internet based thing is not an option) | 05:03 |
| Milhouse | Snelhest - not yet, there is a motion detector app available, and a snapshot app | 05:04 |
| Snelhest | ok | 05:04 |
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| Toma- | http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/nokia770.png :D | 05:09 |
| Milhouse | Snelhest - try this link for a video of a video phone call | 05:09 |
| Milhouse | http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/02/n800-to-n800-video-calling-on-video.html | 05:09 |
| Snelhest | Milhouse: ive actually seen that | 05:09 |
| Milhouse | Unfortunately because it's flash, it reduces the quality even further :) | 05:09 |
| Snelhest | yea | 05:09 |
| Milhouse | Toma- nice! | 05:09 |
| Toma- | thx :D | 05:10 |
| Toma- | gonna get it running full screen soon. | 05:10 |
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| pahartik | shackan: PalmOS device... But I do not really have schedule | 05:19 |
| shackan | pahartik, but I 'm looking for a maemo calendar app obviously :P | 05:20 |
| pahartik | shackan: Me too | 05:21 |
| Toma- | someone needs to port abuse to maemo | 05:23 |
| Toma- | it would be perfect | 05:23 |
| pahartik | shackan: I expect GPE environment to be available and good enough someday | 05:24 |
| shackan | pahartik, me too, but I need something to write my lecture hours on _now_ :) | 05:25 |
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| dieguito | dudes | 09:01 |
| dieguito | I have a really weird mess going on here | 09:01 |
| dieguito | I have my discount code for n800, I have a friend on spain ready to bring it to me as soon as I buy it, but now I realize my discount code is for america not europe (the email said it was for europe!) | 09:02 |
| dieguito | so, if you by any reason are: a) coming to peru from usa, b) unwilling to buy your n800 and you have an europe code, c) you just moved to usa from europe and you got the code for europe and are in a similar problem than I am | 09:03 |
| dieguito | plz contact me | 09:03 |
| dieguito | :) | 09:03 |
| tigert | dieguito: mail quim | 09:13 |
| tigert | and request another code of course if it doesnt work | 09:13 |
| dieguito | tigert: actually I know about this confusion because of quim answering my mail to team@maemo.org | 09:14 |
| tigert | yeah | 09:14 |
| tigert | but its not like he cannot make you a new code that works for europe? | 09:14 |
| dieguito | he says it's highly probable that since non-european people gor american codes, I also got an american code | 09:14 |
| tigert | right | 09:14 |
| dieguito | he says it was possible while the program was still open, but now it's not easy | 09:14 |
| tigert | ah ok | 09:14 |
| tigert | duh | 09:14 |
| dieguito | :( | 09:15 |
| dieguito | well I sent an email to maemo-developers, let's see if by any chance someone is in the same situation or maybe is not going to buy the n800 and can swap with me and give away my code to someone | 09:20 |
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| keesj | Hi | 09:22 |
| keesj | I would really love a linkedin kind of service to map irc-nicks to open source software, companies and pictures of people | 09:23 |
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| part | hmm | 09:36 |
| part | how paranoid are airport security these days? | 09:37 |
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| part | can one take normal stuff like toothpaste in carry-on luggage? | 09:39 |
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| keesj | part: I would not take the gamble, I heard that event water bottles where rejected but that was a few month ago, toothpaste definitely is a good place for plasic bombs | 09:41 |
| roope | Planning on brushing your teeth while in the plane? | 09:45 |
| keesj | or meeting a nice girl | 09:46 |
| part | no, taking just one bag | 09:46 |
| keesj | part: your going to FOSDEM? | 09:46 |
| roope | Water bottles are still being rejected. I just came back from Barcelona. | 09:46 |
| part | keesj: mine going to fosdem, yes | 09:47 |
| tigert | morn | 09:49 |
| keesj | I plan to go but I am not really active enough in any community, so I don't have much to discuss :( | 09:50 |
| keesj | I see that there is a lot of java stuff. was it the same last year before the GPL licenced code? | 09:51 |
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| Jaffa | koen: awfully formal for a Friday morning ;-) | 10:46 |
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| koen | Jaffa: do we have casual friday on #maemo? | 10:47 |
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| zbenjamin | morning @ all | 10:48 |
| zbenjamin | where does maemo-af-desktop store the desktop applets settings? | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | koen: that'd imply every other day is *not* casual... | 10:57 |
| keesj | koen, Jaffa are you going to fosdem? | 10:59 |
| * Jaffa is not. | 11:00 | |
| koen | nflick 0.4.0 is cute | 11:01 |
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| koen | could use some preloading, though | 11:05 |
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| Veggen | hmmf. Does anyone else think that the home screen is too small, and could use some way to easily switch between applet sets? a la virtual desktops? | 11:14 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 11:15 |
| maddler | Veggen: hmmm... that could be nice... | 11:15 |
| maddler | as well as being able to have something like the Palm "main screen" | 11:16 |
| maddler | with application's icons on a matrix... | 11:16 |
| maddler | and organized by tabs... | 11:16 |
| maddler | Veggen: have you ever used a Palm handheld? | 11:16 |
| Veggen | yes. | 11:17 |
| Veggen | I get sort of "the palm feeling" with some of Maemo ;) | 11:17 |
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| Veggen | (but not all) | 11:18 |
| maddler | I think it's kinda useful to have the most N common used apps always ready to be launched... | 11:18 |
| Veggen | mm. | 11:18 |
| maddler | Veggen: beside the launcher... I have to admit that I feel more comfortable with maemo... :) | 11:18 |
| Veggen | well, it's definitely easier to develop for/port to. | 11:18 |
| Veggen | Coming from a Linux background, at least ;-) | 11:19 |
| * Jaffa finds the 770 and N800 *both* more stable than the Palm handheld I briefly had as a Psion replacement. | 11:20 | |
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| maddler | Jaffa: Palm and 770/N800, I think, are too different to be compared... | 11:25 |
| maddler | Psion was a great device... | 11:25 |
| maddler | I had a 3c/5/5MX | 11:25 |
| maddler | and they were all gread devices... | 11:25 |
| maddler | and netbook was nice too... but TOO expensive... | 11:26 |
| maddler | I think N800 could be compared to Netbook... somehow... | 11:26 |
| maddler | beside N800 is *smaller* | 11:26 |
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| maddler | I was reading latest "netbook" specs... it's using Winblows Mobile... :( | 11:29 |
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| maddler | btw... having a Palm launcher like on N800 would be nice... | 11:30 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:30 |
| maddler | it shouldn't be too hard to write... at least with a minimal set of function... | 11:30 |
| maddler | AD-N770: hi... | 11:30 |
| inz | 24057 inz 17 0 165m 133m 964 R 0.0 53.4 1:29.28 vim | 11:32 |
| tigert | hmm | 11:33 |
| tigert | you vi is bigger than mine :( | 11:33 |
| inz | ;) | 11:33 |
| maddler | tigert: you are not using enough... :) | 11:34 |
| maddler | the more you use it... the bigger it becomes... | 11:34 |
| maddler | you know... | 11:34 |
| inz | Can you guess when I started the vim: http://stats.ircing.org/graph.php5?graph=4&start=-86400&title=Day | 11:36 |
| tigert | http://www.irondriveusb.com/ | 11:36 |
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| kkito | hello :) | 11:42 |
| maddler | heya | 11:45 |
| maddler | tigert: no "buy" link... :D | 11:47 |
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| Guard][an | morning maemo | 11:59 |
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| Jaffa | maddler: I've had S5, S5mxes, Revos and still use my Netbook as a serial console for headless boxes. USB serial on my N800 would alleviate that use and I could sell it. | 12:01 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: Aren't the OBD car guys using bt-serial? | 12:12 |
| koen | hmmm | 12:13 |
| koen | I can't find the charger for the netbook pro | 12:13 |
| koen | and it's some damned 15V one, so I can't re-use a regular one | 12:13 |
| lardman | gf tidying? | 12:13 |
| lardman | I have similar problems, normally with bills though | 12:14 |
| koen | we moved my desk and toys into one room and I piled all chargers on one big heap | 12:14 |
| koen | except the nbp one | 12:14 |
| koen | ah well | 12:15 |
| koen | enought toys left to bring to fosdem | 12:15 |
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| lardman | I see g77 is in the repository.maemo.org pool for maemo2.1, I'll try installing that in the bora scratchbox and see | 12:20 |
| lardman | g77 is also listed in the installed packages list for 2.1, is there such a list for 3.0 (obviously it's not there, but just out of interest)? | 12:21 |
| lardman | Any mud experts about? | 12:26 |
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| inz | grr, maemo-launcher in sardine-experimental still uses hildon-libs0 | 12:33 |
| tigert | maddler: I guess Real Men know how to get it? :) | 12:34 |
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| zbenjamin | hn i have problems with the terminal for it2006 i can not use backspace | 12:52 |
| zbenjamin | anyone here who has the same problem? | 12:52 |
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| crux | hi | 12:53 |
| maddler | Jaffa: if you'll ever decide to sell the Netbook drop me a line... | 12:53 |
| manaPirat | hi guys :) | 12:53 |
| maddler | tigert: lol! | 12:54 |
| manaPirat | hey roope, your there? ;) | 12:54 |
| crux | anyone an idea or link to docs on how i can load additional modules on the n800 upon bootup - I'd like to have the ext3 module loaded, but can't find any place beside writing an own init script for that - which would be a bit overkill i guess | 12:54 |
| maddler | crux: create /etc/init.d/rc.local | 12:55 |
| crux | ah, ok | 12:55 |
| crux | thanks | 12:55 |
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| maddler | crux: and use insmod to load modules you need,,, | 12:55 |
| crux | i was looking for *local* :), did not think of having to create it | 12:55 |
| maddler | crux: hehehe... lesson 1) if you don't have it, create it | 12:56 |
| maddler | :) | 12:56 |
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| crux | yeah, not yet used to such a stripped down system :) | 12:56 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 13:04 |
| manaPirat | hi sbaturzio | 13:05 |
| sbaturzio | manaPirat: Ciao | 13:05 |
| manaPirat | hey did anyone of you went through the struggle of compiling nomachines nx-librarys for ARM/Maemo? ;) | 13:05 |
| crux | mh, i added an /etc/init.d/rc.local and added insmod lines for all needed modules, if i run /etc/init.d/rc.local in xterm as root, all the modules get loaded fine, however - doing a reboot does not get the modules loaded - do i have to add an S* link to some runlevel dir for the rc.local as well ? | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | maddler: will do | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | lardman: yeah, bt-serial's an option - but I've already got a USB serial adapter :) | 13:07 |
| crux | or is entering "reboot" not initiating a real reboot of the machine - it felt a bit fast too me - faster than the startup after inserting a battery | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | lardman: how can I help with mud, btw? | 13:07 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I just sent an email summarising my questions | 13:08 |
| crux | lets switch it off and take out the battery - to make sure i do a full boot :) | 13:09 |
| maddler | crux: yes... use update-rc.d | 13:09 |
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| crux | i see | 13:09 |
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| crux | there are BP-5L batteries with 1500mAh and with 1300mAh - amazing they completely look the same, beside the capacity they are identical :) | 13:10 |
| crux | just saw it ... | 13:10 |
| sbaturzio | crux: If N800 works as a Debian, rc.local should be placed in /etc | 13:11 |
| crux | mh, i don;t have a debian system at hand right now, is it really in /etc there ? | 13:11 |
| sbaturzio | at least, mine is in /etc/rc.local | 13:11 |
| crux | mh, i'll try with update-rc first and then move it over there, stil have to wait until the battery is charged a bit so it boots :) | 13:12 |
| kkito | anyways if you want to load some modules on bootup you must to edit /etc/modules | 13:13 |
| crux | mh, there was no /etc/modules - i looked for that as well :) | 13:13 |
| crux | so both ways are valid - rc.local and /etc/modules - but if /etc/modules works i'd expect this the way its supposed to be set up | 13:13 |
| crux | lets see :) | 13:13 |
| crux | lol | 13:16 |
| crux | "/usr/sbin/update-rc.d: shift: 177: can't shift that many" | 13:17 |
| disq | mmm multiple virtual home screens, eh? yeah that would be useful | 13:17 |
| sbaturzio | crux: wait...actually in Debian sid /etc/rc.local is called/executed thru /etc/init.d/rc.local | 13:18 |
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| sbaturzio | let me paste the content of /etc/init.d/rc.local somewhere | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | lardman: ah, cool. | 13:20 |
| balor | From the Lakia user docs I'm using the start-xephyr.sh script, however Eclipse throws the error that "Xephyr cannot open host display. Is DISPLAY set?". Starting Xephyr as my user on a clean xterm works. Where should I set the DISPLAY variable? Should I need to set it? | 13:20 |
| crux | sbaturzio: yes, /etc/init.d/rc.local i also still had in mind | 13:20 |
| crux | ah i guess update-rc.d need arguments :) | 13:22 |
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| sbaturzio | crux: this is what I see in /etc/init.d/rc.local: http://paste.plone.org/13084 | 13:22 |
| crux | argllll, someday I'll pack all man pages in a package for maemo .... | 13:22 |
| sbaturzio | crux: update-rc.d is quite complex...there should be a frontend called rcconf | 13:23 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Make sense? | 13:23 |
| lardman | Jaffa: my email that is | 13:23 |
| crux | mh, i guess writin a simple start/stop script would have been as much work :) | 13:23 |
| crux | update-rc.d rc.local defaults seems to create sane links | 13:26 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Mud seems similar to bitbake, did anyone try this (or has this conversation already taken place)? | 13:27 |
| balor | Has anyone seen my Xephyr error before? | 13:27 |
| crux | as the frontend semms not to exist as well ... I wonder - if i add some original debian arm sources, how much would i screw up my system by adding all the stuff i miss :) | 13:27 |
| maddler | crux: try... :) | 13:28 |
| crux | balor: DISPLAY can be simply set by "export DISPLAY=<you display stuff> | 13:28 |
| balor | crux: thanks, I think it was failing because I was running it inside scratchbox | 13:29 |
| crux | does the n800 have some kind of watchdog running - i sometimes get strange reboots if i don;t use it at all, as long as interact with it no reboots occur ... | 13:30 |
| crux | maddler: yes, works now, got my memoy card automounted on boot finally :):) | 13:30 |
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| sbaturzio | BTW of watchdog....yesterday my N800 was off and recharging....and it rebooted! :-/ | 13:33 |
| crux | yeah, i had some strange reboots, i just realise it when it happens by hearing the nokia bootup sound | 13:33 |
| bergie | crux: I see a bunch of them too | 13:33 |
| bergie | about 1-2 per day | 13:34 |
| crux | sometimes after 4h just laying around it reboots out of nothing | 13:34 |
| crux | if i use it for 5 hours, never ever rebooted at all | 13:34 |
| sbaturzio | crux: that's right...but I never supposed it can reboot when it's off/recharging ;) | 13:34 |
| crux | thats why i wondered about some watchdog functionality going nuts | 13:34 |
| crux | mh, i had the impression it does not really switch off | 13:34 |
| lardman | the kernel has to run to charge it | 13:35 |
| crux | if i take out the battery, and put it in again, its definatly in another state as if i select "shut down" | 13:35 |
| lardman | so it's not off if charging | 13:35 |
| balor | So I've started Xephyr and MAEMO AF Desktop, but I still don't see the desktop in my Xephyr screen. Any ideas on what might be going wrong? (I did start Xephyr before Maemo) | 13:35 |
| lardman | unplug it, then switch off, and it's really off | 13:35 |
| crux | yes, after you plug in the chargere, it does some kind of "half boot" :) | 13:35 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: the email did make sense, and the bitbake comparison discussion has not taken place (unless I've forgotten) | 13:36 |
| balor | Or should I actually see a Hildon desktop if I start Xephyr and Maemo from the Lakia plugin? (that's what I expected) | 13:36 |
| crux | what i also had 2 times now was the state of constantly booting, i got the nokia bootupscren, after some time it flickers and seems to start over, so never ever comes back to the desktop, had to reflash the whole system to get it useable again, i wonder what could have caused it | 13:37 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Interesting. The advantage of bitbake is that all of these recipes already exist | 13:37 |
| sbaturzio | balor: which command have you used to start xephyr? | 13:37 |
| crux | not that i complain - i know i try out a lot, so i expet things like that to happen, just would like to know what might trigger it (to not cause it again :) | 13:38 |
| balor | sbaturzio: the start-xephyr script from the docs "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 880x480x156 -dpi 96 -ac" | 13:38 |
| sbaturzio | perfect....so in scratchbox , after the login execute: $ export DISPLAY=2: | 13:39 |
| crux | not DISPLAY=:2 ? | 13:39 |
| mgedmin | :2 is correct | 13:40 |
| sbaturzio | yes, it's correct. then start $ af-sb-init.sh start | 13:40 |
| sbaturzio | :2 is correct | 13:40 |
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| balor | sbaturzio: Excuse my n00bness, but I'm just clicking the "Start Maemo" button in Eclipse. Where should I set the DISPLAY=:2 variable? | 13:41 |
| sbaturzio | (this keyboard doesn't follow my fingers) | 13:41 |
| balor | sbaturzio: given that i've set that in the plugin preferences | 13:41 |
| sbaturzio | balor: after logged in scratchbox, create a file called .bashrc and place it in your home | 13:41 |
| balor | sbaturzio: I get it now. But will that file be picked up from my normal X session? | 13:42 |
| sbaturzio | inside that file write : export DISPLAY=:2 | 13:43 |
| sbaturzio | balor: I hope...don't know if eclipse start a bash in scratchbox | 13:43 |
| crux | balor: it will get started whenever the user with the .bashrc in the home starts a new bash | 13:43 |
| crux | so if eclipse starts a bash, it should be set | 13:44 |
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| crux | weird | 13:54 |
| crux | i bought this second battery, and when i put it in and attach the charger the screen just gets grey and i cant start the device at all - however, if i take it out and put it in again with no charger attached i can boot the system and afterwards charge it without any problems ... | 13:55 |
| sbaturzio | crux: maybe the n800 need at least a minimum charge inside the battery to boot and to start the charging process | 13:57 |
| crux | yes, but thats the strange thing, it boots from the almost empty battery when no charger is attached | 13:57 |
| crux | if one is attached it does not boot | 13:57 |
| crux | but after it booted without the charger, i can charge it | 13:58 |
| crux | my logic is not compatible to n800 logic | 13:58 |
| crux | i guess i don;t have to ask here if somebody got voip with video running from nokia to windows/macos/linux ... | 13:59 |
| * sbaturzio is away: Lunch time... | 13:59 | |
| crux | i just don;t want to try out the quadrillion voip tools that exist out there ... | 13:59 |
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| zbenjamin | inz, are you here? | 14:02 |
| zbenjamin | i want to create a commandline utility that prints me the wlan statistic every 20 seconds. But it seems that the callback never get called (or g_print not works in the callback) here is the code http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=74643 can someone have a look at? | 14:06 |
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| keesj | zbenjamin: I think there is a iphome applet that shows the traffic , | 14:18 |
| zbenjamin | keesj, i'll have a look. Thx but i think i have found the bug atm | 14:19 |
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| sgbirch | I have just bought a N800, how can I find out which version of the OS it is running, or are all N800 on OS Edition 2007? | 14:20 |
| crux | mh, is there a gcc existing for the n800 itself or do i always have to crosscompile stuff on another machine ? | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | sgbirch: control panel -> device -> about | 14:20 |
| crux | sgbirch: yes, its running os2007 | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | all N800 have some version of OS2007 | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | I think there are two revisions of it | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | maybe I'm wrong | 14:20 |
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| mgedmin | mine already had the second one when I got it | 14:21 |
| crux | oh, yes that brings up my other question, i saw that the mplayer for the n770/n800 has some video out module called "n770" | 14:21 |
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| crux | i assume it uses the dsp part of the cpu, however, using -vo n770 on the n800 gives me a "device not found" or similar | 14:21 |
| sgbirch | Ahhh ... ok, Internet Tablet OS 2007, version 2.2006.51-6 | 14:21 |
| crux | I could not find anything about the difference tof n770/n800 there and if there will be a patch for mplayer on n800 | 14:22 |
| sgbirch | Thanks guys. Another (hopefully) simple newbie Q, where can I find the IP address assigned to it by DHCP? | 14:22 |
| crux | as with all the other vo modules, mplayer is considerably slower than the buildin media player | 14:22 |
| b0unc3 | sgbirch: ifconfig | 14:22 |
| crux | if you have xterm installed ... | 14:23 |
| crux | maybe under connection manager, not sure | 14:23 |
| sgbirch | b0unc3: I havent managed to find a command line yet :-( Is that via ssh? | 14:23 |
| crux | sgbirch: not by default | 14:24 |
| crux | sgbirch: you need to install osso-xterm | 14:24 |
| crux | then you got a terminal | 14:24 |
| crux | also possible to install an ssh server, but then i think you'll also have to enable root mode to set passwords for the user if i remember correctly | 14:24 |
| keesj | is there a gtalk client for the 770 with video support? | 14:25 |
| crux | so for playing around i found it easier to first install an xterm | 14:25 |
| b0unc3 | if you install an ssh server, you can login as root without flashing | 14:25 |
| sgbirch | b0unc3: Sorry to hit you with noob q, I know linux (debian) very weel, just having some trouble getting past the "user friendly" programs on the N800 so I can actually start to use the beast :-) | 14:25 |
| crux | keesj: for the n800 the build in is for jabber/gtalk, the 770 doea not have a camera ? | 14:25 |
| sgbirch | Is there a "getting started" howto or faq for ppl that already know linux? | 14:26 |
| mgedmin | crux: xv is the right choice for mplayer on n800 | 14:26 |
| crux | mgedmin: really ? its amazingly slow with the sample video that the internal player plays very well | 14:26 |
| mgedmin | I'm not an expert in these matters | 14:27 |
| kkito | the mplayer is optimized for the 770 | 14:27 |
| kkito | not for the n800 | 14:27 |
| crux | sgbirch: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/FrontPage?action=show&redirect=StartSeite | 14:27 |
| lardman | crux: n770 does the image doubling I think, this is specific to the chip in the 770 iirc | 14:27 |
| crux | scroll down a bit, there is the documentation section, i got all my knowledge from there :) | 14:28 |
| sgbirch | crux: perfect, thanks | 14:28 |
| crux | actually, the documetation is amazing, never started with some device and got so much info | 14:29 |
| crux | mh, i guess i have to play around with codecs, bitrates and resolutions to find the perfect combination for mplayer/n800 | 14:30 |
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| sgbirch | Ahh ... found the repositories. Can I assume a "New Catalogue" is the form for adding an entry to /etc/apt/sources.list? | 14:33 |
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| lardman | crux: the huge mplayer thread on itt explains about the n770 module | 14:33 |
| b0unc3 | sgbirch: right | 14:33 |
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| kkito | i dont know why nokia didnt release a webkit build for the n800... | 14:35 |
| kkito | and for the 770 | 14:35 |
| kkito | they prefer to pay opera | 14:36 |
| kkito | ... and now, 770 dont have browser updates... | 14:36 |
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| Superbia | maddler: have you checked out the new build? havn't had time myself yet :) | 14:37 |
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| sgbirch | crux: I have the X Terminal running, thanks. How do I become root? | 14:39 |
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| crux | sgbirch: there is a "howto become root really easy" doc | 14:41 |
| kkito | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 | 14:41 |
| sgbirch | crux: found it, cool | 14:41 |
| crux | basically you either have to flash the device into rd mode, wich works with some tools called "flasher" | 14:41 |
| crux | or you install the becomeroot package which i think does the same changes in somee /etc file to allow doing | 14:42 |
| crux | sudo gainroot | 14:42 |
| kkito | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 14:42 |
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| sbaturzio | if I remember well....in red pill mode I've installed the ssh server, then to become root from inside the n800 is easy: $ ssh root@localhost | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | sgbirch: or you install an ssh server and ssh root@localhost | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | password: rootme | 14:43 |
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| maddler | crux: you don't need to use R&D mode with http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 | 14:57 |
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| crux | maddler: yes, i meant there are two ways to get root, both work and are not depending | 14:58 |
| maddler | 3 ways... :) | 14:59 |
| maddler | to be precise... :) | 14:59 |
| crux | yes | 14:59 |
| crux | i did not think about the ssh approach | 14:59 |
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| crux | I'm try to get a voip call with video running, n800 <-> macbook (ichat) | 15:02 |
| crux | with googletalk accounts | 15:03 |
| crux | and ichat just tell me that the other logged in accounts capabilities are only text (no audio, no video) | 15:03 |
| crux | did anyone get a connection n800 <-> win/mac/lin with audio(maybe video) with googletalk/jabber accounts working ? I mean am I just too stupid to find the right button to click or is it just not (yet) working | 15:04 |
| crux | at all | 15:05 |
| kkito | crux, not working | 15:05 |
| crux | damned :( | 15:05 |
| crux | you talk about ichat or in general | 15:05 |
| crux | ? | 15:06 |
| kkito | crux, only works with the nokia client | 15:06 |
| disq | crux: it won't work with ichat. neither audio nor video | 15:06 |
| kkito | and for audio you can use gizmo too | 15:07 |
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| crux | ok, and also not with any other jabber client that uses the googletalk libj[something] library | 15:07 |
| kkito | http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/gizmo-project-voip-client-for-nokia-n800/ | 15:07 |
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| kkito | http://videovoip.tableteer.nokia.com/ | 15:09 |
| crux | i had the impression the build in client was heavily inspired if not the reason by/for http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ | 15:09 |
| AD-N770 | hello all | 15:09 |
| AD-N770 | for those that love play nethack on their devices | 15:09 |
| AD-N770 | I uploaded a new build that fixes the problem related to inventory and the context menu feature | 15:10 |
| crux | http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Landell | 15:10 |
| AD-N770 | almost I think that this should be fixed now on the N800 | 15:10 |
| Magi | Nobody I know has n800 so haven't been able to even try the voip or video calls. 8-( | 15:10 |
| AD-N770 | enjoy with the game | 15:10 |
| crux | anyone ever tried this to use in combination with the n800 ? I id not yet built it but want to try on the weekend, if its known not to work just tell me now to help me save my time ;) | 15:11 |
| cosmo_ | do gtkmm c++ apps compile & work nicely on maemo? | 15:11 |
| crux | i just stumbled across it from some report which said that this landell is actually developd by nokia developers and it looks like the build in voip aplication uses this telepathy framework as well | 15:12 |
| kkito | crux, the gtalk/jabber nokia client doesn't support voip | 15:12 |
| crux | what is the definition for "voip" in this case ? sip/h323 or anything ? | 15:13 |
| kkito | crux, ah but there are a tapioca client for the 770, perhaps it will run ok | 15:14 |
| crux | yes, just also saw it, no sip support yet | 15:14 |
| crux | so maybe its deveolped by nokia guys but independant of the built in client | 15:14 |
| crux | i have to poke around the file of the built in thinggy to find out more ... | 15:15 |
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| kkito | crux, but you can do voice calls with the tapioca | 15:17 |
| kkito | http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Maemo <-- here says: Voice calls can be done by tapping the green phone button. | 15:18 |
| crux | yes, anyone knows how the gtalk voice calls work, what is this xmpp stuff - i up to now only used h.323 and slowly started moving to sip, all this weird new stuff is still confusing me ;) | 15:18 |
| crux | as the n800 video calls also have to somehow get the video and audio to the other device ... | 15:18 |
| crux | i mean the calls with the built in client | 15:19 |
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| crux | i also was able to make a audio call between the n800 and a linux box using jabbin (http://www.jabbin.com/int/), however - audio only and the call duration was 1 sec - then jabbin decided to crash ... | 15:20 |
| sgbirch | Magi: Me too, dont know any n800 users. Want to try a call? | 15:21 |
| Magi | Sure... | 15:21 |
| crux | but it was jabbin2.0 - which is only beta yet, i still have to file the bugreport somewhere on their page | 15:21 |
| Magi | I'm magi42@gmail.com | 15:21 |
| crux | oh, i have a n800 | 15:21 |
| crux | just call chullerelg@googletalk.com, but maybe later, right now not so good :) | 15:22 |
| crux | I guess i'll come here more often :) | 15:22 |
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| sgbirch | Magi: I am sgbirch@gmail.com | 15:23 |
| sgbirch | Magi: I am trying to connect to you ... | 15:23 |
| Magi | ok | 15:23 |
| sgbirch | Magi: Are you currently logged in on your n800? | 15:24 |
| Magi | yeh, is there a problem? | 15:25 |
| manaPirat | everaldo: hey are you there? :) | 15:25 |
| sgbirch | Magi: Probably just noob, I only got my n800 recently, trying to connect ... | 15:25 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, Yes | 15:26 |
| dev | hi, I'm trying to get MaemoMapper to get me some maps for Bruxells this weekend | 15:26 |
| manaPirat | aah well hey this seems to be my lucky day :D | 15:26 |
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| manaPirat | i read your blog | 15:26 |
| manaPirat | on simos.org | 15:26 |
| everaldo | yes | 15:26 |
| everaldo | what post? | 15:26 |
| manaPirat | the recent entyr about nxclient on N770 ;D | 15:26 |
| dev | I've set autodownload | 15:26 |
| dev | shouldn't it not start zooming in? | 15:26 |
| manaPirat | i am BURNING to know how you did it ;) | 15:26 |
| manaPirat | i emailed you about the thing, not knowing that you hang out here | 15:27 |
| everaldo | oh | 15:27 |
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| everaldo | manaPirat, well... I compile NX for nokia and create an script using expect to control NX | 15:27 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, I am working on a hildon/gtk client | 15:28 |
| manaPirat | aah, good to hear | 15:28 |
| everaldo | but the problem is that NX make all calls to X Window | 15:28 |
| manaPirat | well i am using NX for 3 years now or so .. but i am rather new to N770, having the device for 1 day only | 15:28 |
| everaldo | and for a moment I dont have sucess to embed X under gtk | 15:29 |
| manaPirat | but it seems to work eve, the rendering part i mean, seeing your screenshots | 15:29 |
| everaldo | yes.. this works | 15:29 |
| everaldo | I use for some time here | 15:29 |
| manaPirat | and tha calls that cant be established are needed for .. ? | 15:29 |
| everaldo | well... we need a gtk/hildon client | 15:30 |
| manaPirat | well, i perosnally would be happy with any solution at all, crappy or not, with gui or not :D | 15:30 |
| crux | hehe, a true linux user speaks :) | 15:31 |
| everaldo | hehehe | 15:31 |
| Magi | sgbirch: it was nice to try it out, not very good quality though | 15:31 |
| manaPirat | :P | 15:31 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, I will release a version and create a project at maemo garage | 15:31 |
| manaPirat | well, guys .. nx is THE powerfeatuzre for _any_ embedded linux | 15:31 |
| sgbirch | Does anybody else have a n800 and want to try a video call (sgbirch@gmail.com) | 15:32 |
| manaPirat | *g* eve .. the well known "lets bother him"-question is: WHEN? :D | 15:32 |
| manaPirat | i'd be a willing tester though i have not tried any crosscompiles yet | 15:32 |
| Magi | I can't say that the voice reception was "crystal clear"... | 15:33 |
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| sgbirch | Magi: both voice and video were broken | 15:33 |
| tigert | the voip? | 15:34 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, You are Christoph or Uwe ? | 15:34 |
| tigert | it depends a lot on the network quality | 15:34 |
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| manaPirat | hehe, i am Christoph | 15:34 |
| Magi | sgbirch: yeah. It's not a big problem that the video is a bit blurry, but voice shouldn't be. | 15:34 |
| manaPirat | so well .. if you need help at anything that speedup the process or provide more dokumentation & stuff, i might be able to take that duty | 15:34 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, You are not the only one interested on it ;) | 15:35 |
| sgbirch | Magi: yeah, I agree - getting the voice through is most important. | 15:35 |
| crux | sgbirch: i can try in about 3 - 4 hours, before that its not the best idea | 15:35 |
| crux | still at work | 15:35 |
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| Magi | sgbirch: I may also be that the mic is too insensitive, so speaking more loudly might make it better. | 15:35 |
| manaPirat | eve thats for sure eve :) | 15:35 |
| manaPirat | -eve | 15:35 |
| crux | but my girlfriend also has a n800, so i can confirm taht n800 <-> n800 video calls via umts dialup work fluently and clear | 15:35 |
| manaPirat | you are from portugal right? | 15:35 |
| everaldo | no... Brazil | 15:35 |
| crux | i hiope tht the crash of jabbin was related to its beta status and not a generic protocall problem | 15:36 |
| manaPirat | aaah, thats where nomachine is to hm? | 15:36 |
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| manaPirat | ok so we know each other now and you know there should be some (unskilled) support if you need it | 15:37 |
| manaPirat | release often, release early. should provide some fun ;) | 15:37 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, well... on weekend I will work on a better documentation... keep looking at maemo planet or my blog | 15:37 |
| manaPirat | okay :) .. and you provide the source to your nxrunner? :D | 15:38 |
| everaldo | tomorow I will write the procedure and try with last NX (1.5 I think) | 15:38 |
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| everaldo | manaPirat, yes... I will provide all | 15:38 |
| manaPirat | last NX? that is 2.1 i think | 15:38 |
| everaldo | oh | 15:38 |
| manaPirat | cool, you are the man everaldo :) | 15:38 |
| everaldo | then I really need update | 15:38 |
| manaPirat | are you wathcing the freenx-mailing list? | 15:39 |
| manaPirat | sometimes there are client-relevant things to. alot to learn it seems | 15:39 |
| manaPirat | well but older clients shpuld be supported by servers | 15:39 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, no, is better wath | 15:40 |
| everaldo | I will subscribe | 15:40 |
| manaPirat | dont feel bothered by me :) | 15:40 |
| crux | whats the advantage of nx to vnc, i'm only used to vnc up to know | 15:40 |
| crux | yes and its enough to give me some link with the advantages :) | 15:41 |
| everaldo | nx is much more fast | 15:41 |
| manaPirat | crux it is liek cmparing jpg and svg | 15:41 |
| crux | ok, thats enough :) | 15:41 |
| crux | and that explains it :) | 15:41 |
| manaPirat | hehe nx tunnels through ssh, compresses, caches, tunnels sounds, printing, filemounting .. this thing is a beast | 15:41 |
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| crux | boah, i see, no more vnc ... | 15:44 |
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| manaPirat | ;) | 15:45 |
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| manaPirat | if you like a testdrive on that visit nomachine.com or if that doesnt work ask me. I'd provide you with a limited time session on a server | 15:45 |
| neal | When extracting Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz, I get the following errors: tar: ./dev/kmem: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted | 15:46 |
| neal | anyone else seen this? | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | how do you extract it? | 15:46 |
| crux | no, its ok, i was just hearing it alot in the background noise here and when reading it in the channel now i thought i want to know whats the difference | 15:46 |
| manaPirat | :o) | 15:46 |
| crux | but i guess i get the picture, if i like to try it out i'd set up an own server i think | 15:46 |
| neal | sbox-config -er /scratchbox/packages/... | 15:47 |
| manaPirat | i use nx-sessions like 90% of my time at PC's .. | 15:47 |
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| mgedmin | neal: maemo 2.2 needs scratchbox 1.0, which uses 'sb-conf rootstrap' instead of 'sbox-config -er' | 15:48 |
| neal | hmm. | 15:49 |
| neal | I see. | 15:49 |
| crux | haha, i have to work with tools right now that are so slow that i have to chat in order not to go insane while waiting for the browser to wake up again :) | 15:49 |
| neal | 2.2 is for the 770, right? | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | neal: yes | 15:49 |
| neal | good, thanks. | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | neal: apps built with maemo 2.0 should work on all three os2006 revisions | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | apps built with 2.1 or 2.2 sometimes not work on earlier os2006 revisions | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | judging from the posts on the mailing list | 15:49 |
| dev | anybody here using maemomapper without a gps? and can help me dl some maps for bruxelles for the weekend? | 15:50 |
| neal | sure, makes sense | 15:50 |
| crux | yes, i use it with a gps | 15:50 |
| crux | but you dont need that to get maps of bruxelles | 15:50 |
| crux | i usually donwload a map of the world | 15:50 |
| tigert | dev: yes | 15:51 |
| Veggen | dev: you just have to zoom into the area you go to, then somewhere in the menu you have a choice to download manually, and can choose zoom levels etc. for an area. | 15:51 |
| crux | then select the area i want, zoom in while downloading every 3rd resolution until i have the city in the screen, then i download resolutions 1 - 5 for it, was about 50mb for prague | 15:51 |
| tigert | dev: just tap to browse around the area with certain zoom levels | 15:51 |
| tigert | there is also an area download tool | 15:51 |
| Veggen | (and if you have the actual area you want on the screen, it's not so difficult) | 15:51 |
| tigert | but its just easier to fool around there | 15:51 |
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| dev | hmm, but I can zoom | 15:51 |
| dev | can't | 15:52 |
| tigert | ytes | 15:52 |
| dev | actually | 15:52 |
| tigert | do this for the zoom levels | 15:52 |
| tigert | but there is the batch download thing too | 15:52 |
| manaPirat | . | 15:52 |
| dev | I'm missing obviously something important :-) | 15:52 |
| dev | I start it, and have google street and a world map | 15:52 |
| crux | yes, and selecting all resolutions of the map while watching the whole globe is just funny - i mean the announcement that you are going to download something around 30TB or so :) | 15:53 |
| manaPirat | hmm 30TB ... | 15:53 |
| crux | dev: in the menu, maps -> manage maps | 15:53 |
| manaPirat | heard that the N770 can act as a USB host .. maybe attach a USB-storage to the thing? | 15:53 |
| dev | crux: a there | 15:53 |
| dev | +m | 15:53 |
| crux | there you can select eitehr to download maps by the route or by the area that currently is displayed | 15:53 |
| dev | ok, have area | 15:54 |
| Veggen | crux: you can zoom, surely? | 15:54 |
| crux | on the next tab you can select the resolutions you like to download, and clikcing ok fetches them | 15:54 |
| neal | mgedmin : http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html says to still use sbox-config -er | 15:54 |
| dev | there is 15 selected | 15:54 |
| crux | Veggen: using the zoom buttons of the device | 15:54 |
| crux | like fullscreen/zoomin/zoomout | 15:54 |
| Veggen | crux: ah, that one was to dev. | 15:54 |
| crux | i used gpsdrive alot and maemo mapper is such an improvement | 15:54 |
| dev | crux: thanks, the buttons | 15:55 |
| crux | yeah, took me also some minutes to realize | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | neal: maybe I'm wrong then | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | I assumed 2.2 was for scratchbox 1.0 | 15:55 |
| dev | I tried the stylus and everything else, thx! | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it is a bug in the tutorial | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | fwiw I used 2.1 in scratchbox 1.0 successfully | 15:56 |
| neal | the tutorial says to get scratchbox 1.0.x | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_20.html says to get 0.9.8.8 for maemo 2.2 | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | this is just crazy | 15:56 |
| neal | I'm looking at http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html | 15:57 |
| neal | which is linked from http://maemo.org/platform/docs/how-to.html | 15:57 |
| neal | under maemo 2.2 documents | 15:57 |
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| tigert | http://www.fukung.net/v/2716/50_pics.jpg | 15:59 |
| tigert | some patience there, I say | 15:59 |
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| crux | so, this weekend is going to be fun, wanna try maeme :) | 16:00 |
| manaPirat | oi | 16:00 |
| crux | and i ordered a bluetooth gamepad, so i need to find some nice games :) | 16:00 |
| manaPirat | i wonder when the first snes emulater gets ported :) | 16:01 |
| manaPirat | i allways loved hehe, guess what, "secret of mana" .. i think this is ideal for gamepad usage | 16:01 |
| crux | isn't there one ? i thought i read it - but maybe i mixed it up - so many emus available already /// | 16:01 |
| manaPirat | all i saw was NES not SNES | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | tigert: I reckon they cheated - note the orange square at the bottom-right of the left hand side. | 16:02 |
| crux | I'm not a console player at all, just started to love mame since i have this samsung Q1 - perfect gaming device with mame and freevo | 16:02 |
| kkito | manaPirat, it can be ported but with poor compatibility and bad framerate :( | 16:02 |
| everaldo | is easy create a maemo garage project? | 16:02 |
| crux | ah, maybe NES - as said, consoles are nothing i know much about | 16:02 |
| kkito | mame is slow on the n800 | 16:03 |
| crux | i thought it might depend on the game | 16:03 |
| manaPirat | yes kkito, i dont doubt that :-/ | 16:03 |
| everaldo | manaPirat, "mnx" is a good name for project? | 16:03 |
| everaldo | "MNX" = Maemo NX | 16:03 |
| crux | I don;t want to run the bloated 70mb roms ... | 16:03 |
| tigert | Jaffa: yeah | 16:03 |
| tigert | Jaffa: I noticed the same | 16:03 |
| manaPirat | but i wonder .. snes emulation was smooth on my 166 Pentium (MMX) 7 years ago *lol* so why shouldnt it on an N770? | 16:03 |
| manaPirat | eve yes that sounds good :D | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | everaldo: minx? | 16:04 |
| crux | also the mame emulator on my palm Tungsten is really amazingly fast | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | more pronounceable | 16:04 |
| manaPirat | or .. well how "gnereal" will your projetc will be? | 16:04 |
| crux | so if its only half its speed i'd be happy | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | though probably harder to google | 16:04 |
| manaPirat | it will probably run on other plattforms as well .. so .. hmm | 16:04 |
| everaldo | mgedmin, minx ? | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | "mnx" is sort of hard to pronounce | 16:05 |
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| manaPirat | ok but it is a specific package, then yes, go with minx :) | 16:05 |
| manaPirat | or .. maenx :D | 16:05 |
| crux | mgedmin: in german it sounds cool | 16:05 |
| everaldo | maenx | 16:05 |
| everaldo | good... I like it | 16:05 |
| manaPirat | lol really? | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | mænx | 16:05 |
| manaPirat | hehe mge | 16:05 |
| manaPirat | makes me remamber the good old mailbomber .. ænima | 16:06 |
| * mgedmin wonders how many people can see utf-8 in irc channels | 16:06 | |
| manaPirat | a=e | 16:06 |
| everaldo | I can see | 16:06 |
| manaPirat | mge we are using linux, don't we? | 16:06 |
| crux | i can - have to be able to get chinese letters ... | 16:06 |
| crux | or glyphs ... whatever they might be called | 16:06 |
| manaPirat | have you guys yet tried to stream video to maemo over your lan? | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | yeah | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | using vlc.. | 16:08 |
| manaPirat | and? :) works? | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | yes... | 16:08 |
| manaPirat | ... but? | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | actually I could stream using gstreamer and vlc | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | everything depends on what kind of codec you want to use | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | just a minute ;-) | 16:08 |
| manaPirat | uhun .... hmm | 16:09 |
| manaPirat | no problem | 16:09 |
| crux | ok, finally weekend, have fun :) | 16:09 |
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| manaPirat | i admire how easy kaffeine makes streaming for you .. but it is not documented at all what kidn of stream that actually is and which clients might udnerstand it | 16:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: if you want to use vlc you can check the command lines I've tested here: http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/ | 16:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | it's the second post | 16:10 |
| manaPirat | man you guys blog-alot :D | 16:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | I'm going to write a post about using gstreamer but here is the line: | 16:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | (assuming the video source is an mpeg2 - if it's not, you might want to change things in this pipe) | 16:11 |
| MoRpHeUz | server: gst-launch-0.10 -v filesrc location=dvb.mpg ! flutsdemux name=d ! queue ! ffdec_mpeg2video ! videoscale !video/x-raw-yuv,width=240,height=144 ! ffenc_h263p ! rtph263ppay !udpsink d. ! queue ! fakesink silent=true | 16:11 |
| manaPirat | oh nifty | 16:12 |
| MoRpHeUz | client: gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc uri=udp://192.168.1.53 caps="application/x-rtp,media=(string)video, payload=(int)96, clock-rate=(int)90000,encoding-name=(string)H263-1998, ssrc=(guint)2572236931,clock-base=(guint)1217098624, seqnum-base=(guint)3621" ! queue !rtph263pdepay ! ffdec_h263 ! xvimagesink sync=false | 16:12 |
| manaPirat | i copy that | 16:12 |
| MoRpHeUz | IMHO, vlc is easier to use.=) | 16:12 |
| manaPirat | mybe i can try it out tomorow | 16:12 |
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| manaPirat | all this video-streaming is pure magic to me :D .. yet | 16:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: then please, post your results as a comment in my blog, so we can keep getting better results =) | 16:13 |
| manaPirat | yes OK i will | 16:13 |
| everaldo | ok... time to eat... tomorow I will blog about my NX progress... after blog about my Mono under N770 progress | 16:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: but what you said about kaffeine ? | 16:13 |
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| manaPirat | i said that it is so f**n easy to stream with it | 16:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: I thought kaffeine was just able to receive streams... | 16:14 |
| manaPirat | but that i dont knwo which clients are compatoble with its stream | 16:14 |
| manaPirat | nope, you can send broadcast streams too | 16:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | let me take a look.... | 16:14 |
| manaPirat | i can have a DVB-T device on the one PC, running kaffeine and broadcasting, while i watch it on another PC with kaffeeine recaiving | 16:15 |
| manaPirat | forgive my typos ..... | 16:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: hhmm...it must be some "kaffeine's protocol".... | 16:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | I was not able to play the stream using mplayer... | 16:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: the problem is that kaffeine does not transcode the video, so you'll not be able to watch the video on n770/800 | 16:17 |
| manaPirat | yeah so ,.. it is "pure" i guess | 16:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | do you use mythtv ? | 16:18 |
| manaPirat | nope, .. but i think i will have to try it tomorrow :D or this evening | 16:18 |
| manaPirat | is it as easy as kaffeine? with tuning DVB ... | 16:18 |
| manaPirat | <-- noob | 16:19 |
| cybergyp1y | mythtv is far superior to 'just' a desktop app like kaffiene | 16:19 |
| sgbirch | Can you suggest an ffmpeg line for optimal conversion for the 770/800? | 16:19 |
| cybergyp1y | it even appears in the mediaplyer server list , but mediaplayer doesnt stream the recordings as they are (for me) mpeg2 streams from the satellite | 16:19 |
| manaPirat | ah so mythtv does upnp hm? nice | 16:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | cybergyp1y: it's due the resolution and format... | 16:20 |
| sgbirch | I mean, if you have a (say) video downloaded from youtube, how best to prep it for the 770/800? | 16:20 |
| manaPirat | well morpheuz is the one to ask, read his blog | 16:20 |
| cybergyp1y | but its possible to have a transcode script that converts any captured programme to 'n800' format after its recorded :) | 16:20 |
| cybergyp1y | MoRpHeUz: yea | 16:20 |
| sgbirch | cybergyp1y: That would be a very useful tool | 16:21 |
| manaPirat | hm cyber but i want to watch my DVB-Streams life as they come form the broadcasting stations :) without big delay | 16:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | sgbirch: there is a line from ffmpeg also | 16:21 |
| cybergyp1y | sgbirch: have a look for the 770-encode.pl script - bleb.org - i think | 16:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | you can use the same options I used for vlc.. | 16:21 |
| cybergyp1y | manaPirat: yea - me too :) | 16:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | cybergyp1y: yeah, that's a good script to to what sgbirch wants.... | 16:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: I'm working on a solution for this =) | 16:22 |
| sgbirch | Thank you, found it | 16:22 |
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| manaPirat | :) .. something like a package for the streamingserver would be cool "stream2maemo.deb" :D | 16:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | cybergyp1y, manaPirat: probably you will be able to watch your DVB-streams using mythtv + vlc on the computer side and some application + gmyth on 770/800 | 16:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: http://gmyth.sf.net .. | 16:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | we are able to stream livetv already...but we are having some problems regarding DVB cards yet.. | 16:23 |
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| manaPirat | i loked for gmyth .. it is source only :-/ .. will have to setup crosscompiling aht R&D first i guess | 16:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | will do some work with Captain_Murdoch (the guy from mythtranscode) to try to solve this inside mythtv or we'll use this solution regarding mythtv+vlc (wich already works for low resolution mpeg2, but for high resolution it doesnt) | 16:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: maybe we'll have some application using gmyth in a near future ;-) | 16:25 |
| manaPirat | so the transocing woukld occur on maemo hm? ok but think about cpu-load, batterylifetime and so on *g* | 16:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | no.. | 16:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | the transcode will be done in your computer | 16:26 |
| manaPirat | ah :) | 16:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | you'll just watch the videos on the maemo side =) | 16:26 |
| manaPirat | ok, now i have 2 maemo projects i will try to follow and test :) | 16:26 |
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| MoRpHeUz | manaPirat: please, keep in touch about wishes, bugs, etc.. =) | 16:27 |
| manaPirat | this device is a great toy :D | 16:27 |
| manaPirat | yes morphoys i willt ry to provide good feedback | 16:27 |
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| manaPirat | man, i write like i speak .. just ignore this ;D | 16:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | haha | 16:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | that's ok | 16:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 16:29 |
| disq | mgedmin: erm, utf8, i can't see utf8. last time my client updated is 1997, that's 10 years back :p (ok, late response) | 16:30 |
| manaPirat | so much to try and so fews time .. i have to try that usb-host hackup .. | 16:30 |
| manaPirat | lol disq what are you using? | 16:30 |
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| disq | xircon, for win32 | 16:30 |
| disq | has tcl scripting :) | 16:31 |
| disq | (i even added capab-identify support yesterday but don't think i can add utf8) | 16:31 |
| manaPirat | hehe | 16:32 |
| manaPirat | some people say that linux is a relict ... | 16:32 |
| manaPirat | but when i look at the mayority of small software on windows .. i feel like unpacking my win95 floppy disks | 16:33 |
| manaPirat | and that doesnt mean old software is bad | 16:33 |
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| disq | :) | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | sgbirch/cybergyp1y: http://www.bleb.org/software/770/#encode specifically | 16:34 |
| manaPirat | aaah nice | 16:35 |
| manaPirat | good aproach, idiot safe value-ranges :D | 16:36 |
| manaPirat | and it can be piped to a socket? | 16:36 |
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| sgbirch | Jaffa: I have it, 770-encode is working. Thanks. | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | sgbirch: Cool, let me know if you have any problems. | 16:38 |
| sgbirch | Jaffa: Well .... I didnt find ssh in the repositories mentioned on maemo | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | It's in repository.maemo.org bora free IIRC | 16:43 |
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| neal | maemo-launcher/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory | 16:44 |
| neal | any clue what that could mean? | 16:45 |
| manaPirat | eeeh something is missing? ;D | 16:45 |
| neal | would seem so | 16:45 |
| manaPirat | :-/ | 16:46 |
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| wumpus | the emulator is missing , I think | 16:46 |
| neal | hmm. | 16:47 |
| wumpus | misc_runner is used to run arm binaries | 16:47 |
| neal | yeah, that may be it | 16:47 |
| neal | it doesn't show up in sb-menu | 16:47 |
| neal | but I have it installed on the host. | 16:48 |
| VRe | Mmm.. voip with this might be nice .. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/23/sagem_shows_off_earpiece/ | 16:48 |
| sgbirch | Jaffa: It looks to me like 770-encode uses mencoder, which then calls ffmpeg. Do you know why it doesnt use ffmpeg directly, what does mencoder add to the mix? | 16:48 |
| manaPirat | lol VRe looks like "We are the Borg, resistance is futile .." | 16:49 |
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| neal | anyone know what I have to install to get the qemu transparency methods? | 16:53 |
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| Tak | mencoder doesn't call ffmpeg, although they do share some libraries | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | sgbirch: mencoder binaries are more prevalent than ffmpeg ones, I already knew mencoder when I started 770-encode | 16:55 |
| Tak | mencoder gives you more control in general imo | 16:56 |
| Toma- | is gregale worth the download? whats are the "enchancements"? | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | "wifi bugfixes" | 17:01 |
| Toma- | ahh super. | 17:01 |
| neal | os2006.2 was really unstable for me. | 17:01 |
| neal | os2006.3 is back to the regular problems. | 17:01 |
| neal | as far as I can tell | 17:01 |
| Toma- | regular problems? | 17:02 |
| neal | slow | 17:03 |
| neal | sporadic reboots | 17:03 |
| Toma- | oh. | 17:03 |
| neal | but less frequent | 17:03 |
| neal | working alarm | 17:03 |
| neal | .2 would not work consistently for me | 17:03 |
| neal | for whatever reason it wouldn't go off | 17:03 |
| neal | figured out the problem | 17:04 |
| neal | I had to install scratchbox-devkit-cputransp | 17:04 |
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| neal | which isn't mentioned in the tutorial | 17:05 |
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| Toma- | well ive got scirocco now and i do get alot of whacky wifi behavior | 17:06 |
| Toma- | can you run the osso apps from terminal like 'browser.launch'? | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | yes, but I do not remember how | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | check the mailing list archives | 17:07 |
| Toma- | ok | 17:07 |
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| neal | lovely. | 17:08 |
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| neal | I should be able to install the arm packages into my arm scratchbox | 17:32 |
| neal | but I'm getting the following error: | 17:32 |
| neal | package architecture (armel) does not match system (arm) | 17:32 |
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| neal | did I set up something incorrectly? | 17:32 |
| pbrook | Sounds like you're trying to install regular debian packages, not maemo packages. | 17:33 |
| pbrook | They use different ABIs, so are not compatible. | 17:33 |
| neal | it may sound that way | 17:33 |
| neal | but it seems like its the reverse | 17:33 |
| neal | I'm trying to install some of these: http://downloads.kernelconcepts.de/maemo2/dists/mistral/free/binary-armel/ | 17:34 |
| neal | they are armel | 17:34 |
| neal | and work on the device | 17:34 |
| pbrook | You are using a maemo scratchbox setup, right? | 17:34 |
| neal | yes. | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | hm | 17:35 |
| pbrook | dpkg apparently thinks otherwise. | 17:35 |
| neal | I'm using qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 for transparency | 17:36 |
| neal | like the bora tutorial suggests | 17:36 |
| neal | and cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | same here | 17:38 |
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| neal | mgedmin : Can you install packages? | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | fakeroot dpkg -i *.deb | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | or with apt-get | 17:39 |
| neal | hmm. | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | I've seen this problem reported on the maemo mailing list | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | I do not remember how it ended | 17:40 |
| neal | with apt-get, it wants to remove lots of packages | 17:40 |
| neal | which can't be a good thing. | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | or maybe I saw it here on IRC a while ago :/ | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | I currently have the 2.1 sdk installed in scratchbox 1.0 | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | previously I had 2.0 in scratchbox 0.9.8 | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | I also have 3.0 in the same scratchbox 1.0 | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | I haven't tried 2.2 yet | 17:41 |
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| kakos | Quick question: Is there any way to add new input methods into Maemo? | 17:58 |
| kakos | Well, obviously there is, but is there a easy and elegant way of doing it | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | I guess that depends on your definition of "easy and elegant" | 17:58 |
| kakos | mgedmin: Is there a framework already in place to do it, like making new toolbar apps or the like? | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_him_bora.html | 17:59 |
| kakos | Anything lik ethat in... ummm, not bora? | 18:00 |
| * kakos is still in the stone age of the 770 | 18:00 | |
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| neal | I'm waiting for the 880 before I upgrade. | 18:00 |
| kakos | Or does that work in 770 too? | 18:00 |
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| mgedmin | I think it does, but I don't really know | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | the document says it's been "reviewed for maemo 3.0" | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | does that mean it was written for maemo 2.x first? | 18:02 |
| kakos | Okay. The HIM framework does exist on 2.x | 18:02 |
| kakos | Cool. thanks <3 | 18:02 |
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| kakos | BTW, on a quick tangent, anyone with the N800 think it is worth the upgrade? | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | yes, absolutely | 18:03 |
| kakos | mgedmin: Any particular reasons for saying that? | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | more ram, faster, integrated stand | 18:03 |
| kakos | Is there some aspect of the N800 that makes it a slam dunk as far as upgrading? | 18:03 |
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| kakos | More RAM for storage or more RAM for application usage or both? | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | for application usage | 18:04 |
| Toma- | what the mencoder/ffmpeg options to encode a video to 770 compatible format? | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | I haven't created a swap partition yet | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | I usually have at least 4 apps open | 18:04 |
| kakos | Nice. | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | I haven't run out of ram yet | 18:04 |
| kakos | I've never ran into memory problems on my 770, but I've always had a swap on it | 18:04 |
| kakos | And speed has never been a huge issue on it | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | 2 full-size SD card slots are also very nice | 18:04 |
| maddler | mgedmin: 2 SD are GREAT! :D | 18:05 |
| kakos | I will admit that is one part that is really tempting me | 18:05 |
| kakos | I could use it as a storage unit for my camera pics | 18:05 |
| maddler | having 8GB in my pocket isn't that bad... | 18:05 |
| Tak | Is that 8GB in your pocket... | 18:06 |
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| maddler | 2x4GB SDs | 18:06 |
| kakos | He's just happy to see you | 18:06 |
| maddler | kakos: hahahahahahahaha | 18:06 |
| * Tak ^5s kakos | 18:06 | |
| neal | what do you store on 8GB? | 18:06 |
| kakos | neal: Lots of porn | 18:07 |
| maddler | my N800 (a.k.a. Godot) loves me! | 18:07 |
| neal | in an "internet tablet" | 18:07 |
| kakos | neal: The internet is for porn | 18:07 |
| maddler | kakos: yeah... high quality pr0n! :D | 18:07 |
| maddler | neal: I keep with my mp3s... docs... and whatever... | 18:07 |
| kakos | Nokia would sell a lot more of these things if they marketed it as a "porn tablet" | 18:07 |
| neal | is there even a good mp3 player for it? | 18:07 |
| tzz | 8GB = 1% of my music collection or 10% of my comics collection :) | 18:07 |
| maddler | instead of having my USB disk... MP3 player... | 18:08 |
| kakos | Maybe they can sell a porn flavored version: The Nokia XXX800 | 18:08 |
| neal | the supplied audio player is horrid | 18:08 |
| maddler | neal: Canola is nice... | 18:08 |
| kakos | Canola is sweet | 18:08 |
| neal | very non-free | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | pretty | 18:08 |
| maddler | tzz: 8GB are enough for a journey... | 18:08 |
| kakos | neal: Canola is non-free? | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | the builtin media player is also very nonfree, afaiu | 18:08 |
| neal | kakos: free as in beer | 18:08 |
| neal | kakos: but not free as in freedom | 18:08 |
| kakos | True enough | 18:09 |
| neal | yes. | 18:09 |
| neal | but it has the double disadvantage of sucking a lot | 18:09 |
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| obra | neal: is the issue codecs? or are other parts of canola also not-free? | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | yes, it has that strange half-unfinished feel | 18:09 |
| Tak | you must be an optimist | 18:10 |
| keesj | it does | 18:10 |
| neal | obra : You can't get the source to the player. | 18:10 |
| obra | ah. I hadn't realized. I'd thought it was sitting in svn on garage. alas. | 18:10 |
| neal | Q: Is Canola Free? Is it also Open Source? | 18:11 |
| neal | A: Yes and No. Canola is free, and will continue to be free but it's not YET open source. We have plans to release the source or at least a big part of it, which will allow users to create custom plugins. | 18:11 |
| neal | http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/faqissues.html | 18:11 |
| keesj | does canola use the gstreamer-sdl project? | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | I don't quite like the "at least a big part" part of it | 18:12 |
| kakos | mgedmin: It could be a case that they are just covering their ass in case they feel compelled to do it in the future | 18:13 |
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| disq | kakos: late response i know, but, n800 is about 500 times faster than the 770. although not having the slip-on cover makes it worse as a portable music player (unlocking is cumbersome, requires access to most of the buttons etc) | 18:13 |
| neal | 500? | 18:14 |
| neal | damn. | 18:14 |
| kakos | disq: 500 times faster with a 100MHz jump in core speed? | 18:14 |
| disq | there's only 100mhz difference but the fpu and increased memory really makes it a lot faster | 18:14 |
| kakos | Impressive | 18:14 |
| disq | not just one third faster, but a lot | 18:14 |
| disq | (though not much apps use the fpu right now afaik) | 18:15 |
| kakos | Er... fpu? | 18:15 |
| disq | in other words, i, having used the n800 for a month or so now, can't _stand_ to use the 770. it's painfully slow to me | 18:15 |
| keesj | so nobody managed to create a real "lock" button? | 18:15 |
| s-ndh-c | floating point unit | 18:15 |
| kakos | I wasn't aware they had added a FPU to the ARM processor | 18:15 |
| keesj | s-ndh-c: from the mailing list I understood that code is not compiled to use the fpu in favour or the thumb intrustion set | 18:16 |
| manaPirat | that should make the porting of emulators more promising heh? | 18:16 |
| disq | keesj: yeah. i'll try to come up with a concept mp3 player design (by design I mean a kinda-working prototype app) soon | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | On the other hand, the n800 doesn't have hardware support for pixeldoubling so it is actually slower when playing movies.. | 18:17 |
| Tak | that plays hell with emulators too | 18:17 |
| kakos | Interesting. The VFP is a fully compliant floating point unit | 18:17 |
| kakos | Cool | 18:17 |
| manaPirat | hell or well? :D | 18:17 |
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| disq | if course it's not "500 times" faster but much more than one third faster. i could say twice the speed, i think. | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | And the vsync detection in X is not present, so tearing is bad in movies too. | 18:17 |
| Tak | I feel comfortable saying that it's at least 8 billion times faster | 18:18 |
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| Jaffa | Video playback sucks on the N800, with the pausing bug (Xv?) and tearing. | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | I dunno... I would agree with "somewhat faster" | 18:18 |
| manaPirat | aha, nice to know | 18:18 |
| Tak | the pausing bug is the dsp, not xv | 18:18 |
| Tak | it doesn't affect mplayer | 18:18 |
| s-ndh-c | iam happy with my n770 but 16gb removable storage would a nice, i think iam going to buy a n800 soon | 18:18 |
| s-ndh-c | -a | 18:18 |
| Tak | (imo) | 18:19 |
| kakos | I can upgrade to the N800 for free anytime, but my 770 is just doing fine for me. | 18:19 |
| s-ndh-c | then i would have enough space for my music | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | Tak: mplayer's still so patchy on the N800, I wouldn't be convinced. As I heard it, it was ssvb himself who suggested it was Xv... | 18:19 |
| neal | for free? | 18:19 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 18:19 |
| neal | kakos: how's that? | 18:19 |
| Tak | mplayer's patchy, but it doesn't hang | 18:19 |
| kakos | neal: CompUSA's extended warranties | 18:19 |
| manaPirat | in fact, aren't we all waiting for the next offspring? | 18:19 |
| neal | huh? | 18:19 |
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| neal | I'm curious | 18:19 |
| kakos | neal: CompUSA's extended warranties are more replacement thingies than anything. If your device breaks, they replace it. | 18:20 |
| Tak | andrunko: speaking of mplayer... | 18:20 |
| kakos | neal: There is a clause in there that if they can't replace it with the same thing, they give you full credit for the purchase cost. | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | .- | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | wrong window | 18:20 |
| manaPirat | nah not fair breaking your device ;) | 18:20 |
| kakos | neal: I bought my 770 when it was $400. So, once all the 770s are gone, I go in, say it doesn't work. They give me $400 credit | 18:20 |
| s-ndh-c | lol | 18:20 |
| disq | :) | 18:21 |
| manaPirat | dont you loose warrenty when replacing certain software components? ;) | 18:21 |
| obra | haven't nokia said they'll continue to sell the 770? | 18:21 |
| kakos | manaPirat: I lose the extended warranty, but it cost me $50 for a free upgrade. Whoopee doo | 18:21 |
| manaPirat | tse ... | 18:21 |
| kakos | I used this with my video card. I started off with a $200 nVidia card and am now using whatever the top of the line bullshit is and I've only paid maybe $50 extra at each iteration. | 18:22 |
| manaPirat | well no need to upgrade for me .. i got my n770 for 130 EUR, cant complain | 18:22 |
| neal | my generated debs are for arm and not armel | 18:22 |
| disq | i had paid 360eur for mine :/ | 18:22 |
| manaPirat | and they take your stuff back without checking? | 18:22 |
| neal | but they run | 18:23 |
| kakos | manaPirat: Yeah. They're lazy. If they do check, I go round back, punch a hole in the screen, and return | 18:23 |
| manaPirat | hadn't bought it if it whernt priced like that .. so .. happy to be here guys :) | 18:23 |
| disq | btw texrat in ITT forums was sending out extra/$1 slip-on covers. got mine a few minutes ago. nice. my original one had so many scratches | 18:23 |
| manaPirat | hmm what is the difference between arm and armel? | 18:23 |
| kakos | One ends in -el | 18:24 |
| manaPirat | hehe, i think .. a wesnoth port would also rock | 18:24 |
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| manaPirat | is there something like a "mostw anted" list? .. i saw one but that gave me 404 | 18:25 |
| jon1012 | hey I've seen that os2007 on 770 it's great :) I hope it will become stable one day | 18:25 |
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| s-ndh-c | i think there is some appcatalog wishlist on the wiki | 18:25 |
| inz | mana, http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 18:25 |
| manaPirat | inz so that is what "armel" stands for? | 18:25 |
| Tak | isn't chaos strikes back supposed to be wesnothlike? | 18:25 |
| disq | i need interface advice. who feels like talking ui? :) | 18:26 |
| manaPirat | hmm no tak i dont think so | 18:26 |
| inz | mana, yeah | 18:26 |
| manaPirat | wesnoth is as well verry big .. not easy to slim down i think | 18:26 |
| manaPirat | thank you inz. i think i understand | 18:27 |
| manaPirat | have to go guys | 18:27 |
| manaPirat | hapyp weekend | 18:27 |
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| Tak | disq: shoot? | 18:27 |
| disq | Tak: i'm going to add checklist/todo type of memos to maemopad+ | 18:28 |
| disq | Tak: each item will have one (or two) checkbox at the left side | 18:28 |
| disq | my problem is with the right side. i don't want to use item_count times GtkEntryBox to implement it | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | have you considered a GtkTreeView? | 18:30 |
| disq | one option is to add a "checkboxed" type to wpeditor (the text editor widget i use) and use that, like how it handles bulleted lines, but with checkboxes | 18:30 |
| disq | wpeditor is also the widget osso-notes uses | 18:30 |
| disq | mgedmin: no. gtktreeview is messy, i would prefer the gtkentrybox approach instead :p | 18:31 |
| neal | gtktreeview is great. | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | unrelated question about maemopad+: is there a way to enable word wrapping for text notes? | 18:32 |
| disq | mgedmin: the latest version has a word wrap toggle in tools menu | 18:32 |
| * mgedmin starts Application Manager and checks for updates | 18:32 | |
| disq | 0.30 is the latest, which also uses wpeditor | 18:32 |
| Tak | I recommend treeview as well | 18:33 |
| disq | did you get what i'm trying to do? like a shopping list, or a todo list, etc | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | that naturally translates to a gtk tree view with two columns and editable rows | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | with checkboxes in one column and text in the other one | 18:35 |
| disq | if each item was a leaf in the treeview, it would still limit the user, because you could only enter one line per item | 18:35 |
| disq | but dunno, maybe limiting is good | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | it was enough for palmos I think... | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | or could you attach notes to todo items? | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I don't remember | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I never did | 18:36 |
| disq | hmmm.. like a two-pane view? notes on top, if you select one, there's a description box at the bottom which you can enter whatever, or just don't use that option | 18:36 |
| * mgedmin is waiting for a maemo port of open hand's Tasks | 18:36 | |
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| mgedmin | nomis: my patch for statusbar clock color selection is buggy | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | last night my clock turned back into black, dunno why | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | I still use the plankton theme | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | maybe the string data returned by gdk_property_get is not null-terminated? | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | disq: is dragging and dropping of nodes of the tree in the todo list for maemopad+? | 18:47 |
| disq | mgedmin: yes. | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | and renaming too? :) | 18:48 |
| disq | should be | 18:48 |
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| neal | what's the right gstreamer sink to use for maemo? | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | xv for n800, dspsomethingIdontrememberwhat for 770 | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | dspfbsink | 19:12 |
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| mgedmin | probably | 19:12 |
| disq | :) | 19:14 |
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| mgedmin | actually, I don't remember the name of the video sink that uses xv | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | either | 19:15 |
| disq | neal: you could search in maemo-developers :) | 19:16 |
| disq | probably every thread that includes webcam-recording-talk has the gstreamer sink name | 19:16 |
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| kpenrose | Anyone gotten subscription working in gpe-calendar on 800? | 19:24 |
| Tak | apparently someone has | 19:26 |
| disq | hmm | 19:26 |
| Tak | http://tinyurl.com/25fl2r | 19:26 |
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| disq | me want screenshots | 19:35 |
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| mgedmin | interesting bug on my n800 | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | the task navigator and statusbar are not redrawn after it woke up from display blanking | 19:36 |
| disq | never had it | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | however lifeguard doesn't reset it | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | first time for me | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | the application in the foreground (fbreader) works fine | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | home key does nothing | 19:37 |
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| mgedmin | power button works | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | minimize button works | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | and now I have an empty desktop and cannot do anything | 19:38 |
| disq | uh | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | sadly I'm offline so I can't ssh in and take a look | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | I suppose one of the applets blocked maemo_af_desktop | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | but did not crash it, so lifeguard thinks everything is still hunky-dory | 19:39 |
| * mgedmin reboots | 19:39 | |
| disq | do you have custom home applets running? | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | yes: omweather | 19:40 |
| disq | it's probably one of them | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | and two statusbar applets: load-applet and statusbar-clock | 19:40 |
| disq | ah. didn't try the weather applets in bora yet | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | (both with my own small patches) | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | the size of omweather changed, now it is too wide | 19:42 |
| * mgedmin disables it and reenables it | 19:42 | |
| mgedmin | I installed it yesterday, I think | 19:42 |
| disq | the old omweather without the tabs looked better btw. the tabbed version doesn't look that good | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | caused no problems until now | 19:42 |
| disq | hmm | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | tabs? what tabs? | 19:43 |
| trenka | tabs? what tabs? | 19:43 |
| disq | mine had tabs | 19:43 |
| disq | you could add multiple cities | 19:43 |
| disq | if you had only one city it would still display them though (the "/CITYNAME\" is a tab) | 19:44 |
| trenka | BTW, Vlad accept ideas about customization | 19:44 |
| trenka | Ok, I'll tell him | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | http://mg.pov.lt/omweather.png | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | pretty, but I see no tabs | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | unless those < / > arrows are meant to represent tabs | 19:46 |
| disq | oh i think that's the new version | 19:46 |
| disq | i think the arrows are buttons to switch cities | 19:46 |
| disq | (or days?) | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | and the screenshot catches me lying: I installed omweather on wednesday | 19:47 |
| dieguito | hey people, weird question, anyone remember the weight of the n800 box? | 19:48 |
| disq | i still have the box (and the contents obviously) but no way to weight it | 19:49 |
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| dieguito | nevermind, both ups and fedex ask for $100> usd for sending anything | 19:59 |
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| keesj | jtra i am now running the translucent keyboard xterm | 20:03 |
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| obra | keesj: is that a feature in the latest build of osso-xterm? | 20:10 |
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| bipolar | is anyone here using any PIM apps? I'd like to see what others are doing. I need something that syncs with my server (citadel, which supports groupdav, kolab1, and ical over webdav), or syncs with my desktop (kontact, I might use evolution if I have to). | 20:16 |
| neal | gpe can sync via opensyn | 20:17 |
| neal | so if you can run opensync on your host you could use that | 20:18 |
| bipolar | ok | 20:18 |
| cosmo_ | gpe can read webcals, but not write | 20:21 |
| neal | that's not true | 20:22 |
| neal | wait | 20:22 |
| neal | what's a "webcal"? | 20:22 |
| bipolar | neal: ical file over http (webdav) | 20:23 |
| neal | it can do that | 20:23 |
| neal | but it can't synchronize; only publish | 20:23 |
| bipolar | neal: when I try to set it up, gpe crashes on startup | 20:24 |
| neal | works for me | 20:24 |
| neal | at least on my 770 | 20:24 |
| bipolar | crashes on n800 | 20:24 |
| neal | and my laptop | 20:24 |
| neal | I don't have one | 20:24 |
| neal | so, someone needs to debug it | 20:24 |
| cosmo_ | neal: by publishing it means it overwrites the full file on server? | 20:25 |
| neal | yup | 20:25 |
| bipolar | neal: are you a gpe dev? | 20:25 |
| cosmo_ | it would be great if it could do full sync. i'm currently using a webcal with mozilla sunbird.. | 20:25 |
| neal | yes | 20:25 |
| neal | cosmo_ : Sure. | 20:25 |
| neal | cosmo_ : Use gpesyncd | 20:26 |
| bipolar | neal: if it will help, I'll work with you on my 800 to get it working. | 20:26 |
| bipolar | neal: I'll donate a couple of hours starting now :) | 20:26 |
| neal | you need to start by figuring out where it crashed | 20:26 |
| neal | so, try gdb | 20:26 |
| bipolar | let me get my 800... its in the car, charging. | 20:27 |
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| bipolar | installing gdb | 20:30 |
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| bipolar | neal: do you have a gpe repo that has debuging symbols? | 20:32 |
| neal | I asked florian last week to create one | 20:33 |
| neal | I don't think he has | 20:33 |
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| neal | he's the one that builds the packages for maemo | 20:33 |
| bipolar | (gdb) bt all | 20:33 |
| bipolar | No symbol table is loaded. Use the "file" command. | 20:33 |
| neal | right | 20:34 |
| bipolar | maybe just an executable I can copy over? | 20:34 |
| neal | I don't have an n800 | 20:34 |
| neal | and I don't have a bora environment set up | 20:34 |
| neal | so, I can't help you | 20:34 |
| neal | in that regard | 20:34 |
| bipolar | hmm... how hard would it be for me to setup a build enviroment? | 20:35 |
| neal | a few hours | 20:35 |
| bipolar | what if I've already installed the debs? :) | 20:35 |
| neal | anyways, you can still figure our where gpe-calendar is crashing | 20:36 |
| neal | s/our/out/ | 20:36 |
| neal | we just won't get so much information | 20:36 |
| neal | so it might be prudent to start there | 20:36 |
| bipolar | neal: ok. you'd need to walk me though how to do that. I've only ever used gdb to get a full backtrace | 20:36 |
| neal | same deal | 20:36 |
| neal | just run with gdb | 20:36 |
| neal | then when it crashes, you'll get a gdb prompt | 20:36 |
| neal | then you type bt | 20:37 |
| neal | and we hope for the best | 20:37 |
| bipolar | got it... right after "Updating My Calendar" | 20:37 |
| bipolar | #0 0x41208a90 in pthread_create () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 | 20:37 |
| bipolar | #1 0x410316b8 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6 | 20:37 |
| neal | ok. | 20:37 |
| neal | so it is crashing in libsoup | 20:37 |
| neal | that means we are either sending libsoup shit | 20:38 |
| neal | (possible) | 20:38 |
| neal | or, libsoup is borked | 20:38 |
| neal | also possible | 20:38 |
| neal | what's the URL that you've input? | 20:38 |
| neal | it it a good url? | 20:38 |
| neal | properly prefaced with http://? | 20:38 |
| bipolar | neal: where can I get that info besides inside gpe? is it stored in a config file somewhere? | 20:41 |
| neal | what did you enter? | 20:41 |
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| bipolar | I beleve I entered it correctly, but I want to double check | 20:41 |
| neal | I haven't check malformed urls | 20:42 |
| neal | so that might be the problem | 20:42 |
| bipolar | I can't start gpe to check, it just crashes. | 20:42 |
| neal | hmm. | 20:43 |
| neal | ok, sqlite ~/.gpe/calendar | 20:43 |
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| bipolar | installing sqlite | 20:43 |
| bipolar | I'm in | 20:44 |
| neal | select url, username, password from calendars; | 20:44 |
| neal | obviously don't show me your password :) | 20:44 |
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| bipolar | http://citadel.seseco.com/groupdav/Calendar/calendar.ics|bflong|password | 20:45 |
| bipolar | that looks right | 20:45 |
| neal | yes. | 20:45 |
| neal | are you pushing or pulling? | 20:45 |
| neal | subscription or publish? | 20:45 |
| bipolar | I think I set it up to publish... is there a way to check for that too? | 20:46 |
| neal | sure but let's just start by disabling it | 20:46 |
| neal | update calendars set mode=0; | 20:47 |
| neal | that will disable all the calendars | 20:47 |
| neal | then we start gpe-calendar again to verify that this really is the problem. | 20:47 |
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| bipolar | neal: it's not crashing | 20:48 |
| neal | ok. | 20:48 |
| neal | so that was the problem. | 20:48 |
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| neal | it sounds to me like libsoup needs to be recompile or we built against one version of libsoup and then another is installed | 20:48 |
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| bipolar | neal: I have installed: libsoup2.2-8 2.2.93-1 | 20:49 |
| neal | yes. | 20:49 |
| andrunko | Tak: canola mplayer support is there, just add experimental to the components in application manager | 20:49 |
| bipolar | needs to be built for os2007? | 20:50 |
| andrunko | or add -> "deb http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/repository-beta2/bora bora user experimental" to your sources.list | 20:50 |
| Tak | andrunko: very cool - I'll give it a whirl tonight | 20:50 |
| andrunko | note, it's experimental, most bugs are mplayer related, slowness for eg | 20:50 |
| Tak | yeah, I expected that | 20:50 |
| andrunko | the default player is faster, but it supports less formats | 20:50 |
| Tak | is the configuration self-evident? | 20:51 |
| andrunko | after installation go to canola configurator/plugins/mplayer | 20:51 |
| Tak | cool | 20:51 |
| andrunko | there will be an option to enable mplayer as the default player | 20:51 |
| Tak | awesome - great work | 20:51 |
| andrunko | tnx | 20:51 |
| andrunko | :) | 20:51 |
| andrunko | Tak: you will need the latest canola, update it first if you haven't done it yet, refresh packages list and check for updates | 20:53 |
| Tak | iirc I have -indt7 | 20:53 |
| andrunko | yeah, this is the latest one | 20:54 |
| neal | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3503&page=5 | 20:55 |
| neal | bipolar: According to some people recompile has fixed some problems | 20:55 |
| neal | and a .deb is provided | 20:56 |
| neal | it would be nice to know if that fixes your problem as well | 20:56 |
| bipolar | ohh... cool. I'll try it. | 20:56 |
| neal | and if so, it sounds like something needs a recompile | 20:56 |
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| glj12 | Anyone know if aireplay works on the n770? | 20:57 |
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| mgedmin770 | my n800 is trying to make me angry | 20:59 |
| glj12 | succeeding? | 20:59 |
| mgedmin770 | it just refused to unlock | 20:59 |
| bipolar | mgedmin770: thats becouse you havn't changed your nick! :) | 20:59 |
| mgedmin770 | I had to pull out the battery | 21:00 |
| glj12 | ew | 21:00 |
| mgedmin770 | it plainly ignored d-pad presses | 21:00 |
| glj12 | so no one knows if aireplay can work without the driver being patched? | 21:00 |
| trenka | mgedmin770: yes! found the same with maemo-mapper | 21:02 |
| trenka | after some kind of timeout | 21:02 |
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| glj12 | ... | 21:10 |
| sgbirch | has anybody expereinced crashing problems when copying files to the n800 using the USB cable? I am trying to copy large video files from an Ubuntu (edgy) box. Every so often the n800 crashes and reboots. Strange! Any ideas? | 21:10 |
| Tak | I experienced similar issues with the 770 | 21:10 |
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| Tak | artificially slowing the copy process seemed to help | 21:11 |
| sgbirch | Hmm .. not good. I end up with a corrupt SD card which has to be cleaned using fsck.vfat | 21:11 |
| Tak | I eventually just bought a $10 card reader | 21:11 |
| sgbirch | Tak: I could issue a 'sync' between each file, maybe that will help. | 21:12 |
| sgbirch | Tak: I already have a SD card reader but I was hoping the days of pulling the SD for updates would be over. | 21:12 |
| mgedmin800 | never did copy large files over usb | 21:12 |
| mgedmin800 | flash writes eat cpu a lot on the n800 | 21:13 |
| mgedmin800 | could be the watchdog resets it because of that | 21:13 |
| sgbirch | mgedmin800: Ahhh ... yeah, that would explain it. | 21:14 |
| Tak | you could try running a niced scp from the n800 | 21:14 |
| mgedmin800 | report it to bugzilla? | 21:14 |
| bipolar | neal: it works :) | 21:14 |
| sgbirch | Tak: I havent managed to get ssh up yet, only had the machine for a couple days | 21:14 |
| * Tak nods | 21:14 | |
| neal | lovely | 21:14 |
| bipolar | neal: I was able to publish to my server | 21:14 |
| neal | would you be so kind as to briefly summarizes this in the ltg bugzilla? | 21:15 |
| bipolar | neal: btw, how does it handel 'offline' access? is the calendar cached localy? | 21:15 |
| bipolar | neal: sure. can you provide a link to the bug? | 21:15 |
| neal | all calendar data is stored locally | 21:15 |
| neal | a link to the bug or the bugzilla? | 21:15 |
| bipolar | the bug. I want to be sure I get the right one | 21:16 |
| neal | http://bugs.linuxtogo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25 | 21:16 |
| mgedmin800 | bugs.maemo.org | 21:16 |
| neal | actually, someone already posted that | 21:17 |
| bipolar | neal: it looks like someone alrady... | 21:17 |
| bipolar | yeah | 21:17 |
| neal | well, I guess florian just needs to be whack to recompile it | 21:17 |
| bipolar | need a bora repo | 21:17 |
| bipolar | now... on to contacts.... | 21:17 |
| neal | to sync gpe-contacts, you need gpesyncd | 21:18 |
| bipolar | neal: and it syncs with opensync or something else? | 21:18 |
| neal | with opensync | 21:18 |
| bipolar | ok... I wonder if opensync has a groupdav plugin... | 21:19 |
| glj12 | Anyone know if aireplay works on the n770? | 21:23 |
| glj12 | or if the conexant wireless needs to be patched first for it to work? | 21:25 |
| bipolar | neal: how does gpe-calendar handle offline items? in other words... if I'm not connected, and I add an event via gpe, and I add an event on my server somehow, what happens the next time gpe gets internet access? | 21:25 |
| neal | the problem with publishing is it is not syncing | 21:26 |
| neal | so you only publish; you never download | 21:26 |
| neal | i.e., you simply overwrite changes | 21:26 |
| bipolar | oh... crap. | 21:27 |
| bipolar | thats not going to work then.... | 21:27 |
| neal | it was enough for my use | 21:27 |
| neal | namely, me seeing my wife's calendar | 21:27 |
| neal | and she seeing mine | 21:27 |
| bipolar | neal: ok. that functionality is fine. does gpesyncd do calendar syncing too? | 21:28 |
| neal | opensync does syncing | 21:28 |
| neal | so, yes | 21:29 |
| glj12 | So... no one knows. Spiffy. | 21:29 |
| bipolar | neal: ok. good. is gpesyncd a seperate package? | 21:29 |
| neal | I think so | 21:29 |
| neal | I haven't used it myself | 21:29 |
| Tak | glj12: sorry, no | 21:29 |
| bipolar | neal: I don't think it's in the repo :\ | 21:30 |
| glj12 | i wish there were forums even discussing this | 21:30 |
| Tak | there may be - have you tried internettablettalk.com ? | 21:31 |
| glj12 | oh yeah, definitely | 21:31 |
| glj12 | i've searched that, and all up and down google | 21:31 |
| glj12 | some spanish sites discuss it, but don't seem to mention any progress | 21:32 |
| Tak | you're a pioneer ;-) | 21:32 |
| glj12 | :P | 21:32 |
| glj12 | the spanish was a bit hard to understand, (slang and all) | 21:32 |
| glj12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4894 Posted by me. :) | 21:32 |
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| neal | hmm, gst-launch-0.10 -v playbin uri=file:///home/user/... doesn't work for me. | 21:46 |
| neal | I get Pipeline is PREROLLING ... | 21:46 |
| neal | and then nothing | 21:46 |
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| bipolar | is there a doc somewhere showing how to get started with scrachbox? I have it installed, and have maemo-explicit installed on both targets, but I don't know where to go from here. | 22:08 |
| bipolar | wtf can I do with this thing? :) | 22:08 |
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| neal | it's a build environment | 22:14 |
| neal | if you don't want to build, it is not very helpful | 22:14 |
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| bipolar | I do want to build. I just need to know how. I'm starting up xephyr now. | 22:14 |
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| bipolar | I guess it's just a normal debian enviroment? | 22:18 |
| Tak | normalish | 22:18 |
| bipolar | heh... | 22:18 |
| bipolar | I need to figure out how it works... the last build system I used was an old version of openembedded | 22:19 |
| Tak | just like building anything on a linux system | 22:22 |
| bipolar | Tak: what about building the armel binaries? if I'm in SDK_ARMEL target, does it run everything though a cpu emulator like qemu? | 22:23 |
| Tak | yes | 22:23 |
| bipolar | oh... well that makes it simple. | 22:24 |
| bipolar | Tak: thanks! that helped a lot. | 22:24 |
| Tak | although if you're building for bora, qemu apparently doesn't implement all the ARMv6 instructions | 22:24 |
| bipolar | oh... crap. I am building for bora. | 22:24 |
| Tak | it may only matter if you use the -mcpu=arm1136ej-s cflag, I'm not 100% sure | 22:25 |
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| mgedmin | seriously, wtf? now my n800 won't go online | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | it refuses to show the "select connection" dialog | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | I don't mind a bug every now and then, but not all within minutes of each other! | 22:30 |
| * mgedmin reboots again | 22:31 | |
| disq | huh | 22:32 |
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| disq | afaik yes, it only matters if you optimize for arm5/arm6 | 22:32 |
| disq | then you have to set up cpu transparency and connect your n800 via usb etc, details in maemo.org | 22:33 |
| disq | i didn't do that because my vmware won't recognize the usb ports | 22:33 |
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| neal | playbin doesn't work for me; it just hangs | 22:44 |
| neal | however, | 22:44 |
| neal | gst-launch-0.10 -v file:///ho... ! dspmp3sink works | 22:44 |
| neal | anyone have an insight into this? | 22:44 |
| neal | this doesn't work: gst-launch-0.10 -v playbin uri=file:///ho... | 22:46 |
| keesj | all software that starts with the letter g is are badly documented | 22:46 |
| neal | what about h? | 22:46 |
| neal | or m? | 22:46 |
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| keesj | m is already much better | 22:46 |
| keesj | h? | 22:46 |
| neal | hildon | 22:47 |
| keesj | :) | 22:47 |
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| keesj | the letter g an h are very close one to a ohter | 22:47 |
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| cosmo_ | mod player gsrtreamer plugin is the bestest | 22:50 |
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| disq | modest announced! | 22:51 |
| disq | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:51 |
| cosmo_ | i wish someone ported a sid player next ;) | 22:51 |
| keesj | disq: is that you secret project? | 22:52 |
| cosmo_ | looks good.. well, anything is better than the nokia mail client | 22:52 |
| disq | no i just saw it in maemo-devel | 22:52 |
| disq | i'm not affiliated with nokia :) | 22:52 |
| keesj | neither is modest is it? | 22:53 |
| keesj | I think tinymail is | 22:53 |
| keesj | there is a talk about tinymail on fosdem | 22:53 |
| keesj | I better stop typing now , no much interesing information , but... I will go to fosdem tomorow and sunday | 22:54 |
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| disq | modest is affiliated with nokia, and afaik so is tinymail | 22:55 |
| disq | http://www.tinymail.org/usedby.html | 22:55 |
| Tak | hah - "Permission Denied" | 22:57 |
| disq | yep :) | 22:58 |
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| MoRpHeUz | neal: playbin just doesnt work hehe | 22:58 |
| mgedmin | tinymail is not affiliated with nokia | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | it's an incredibly flexible component-based email library | 22:59 |
| neal | MoRpHeUz : What do you mean? | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | modest is based on tinymail | 22:59 |
| keesj | garage really needs some love from somebody | 22:59 |
| neal | MoRpHeUz : As you find that funny or you know that it does not work? | 22:59 |
| disq | keesj: it's just the modest project that's problematic in garage, probably because they were in a hurry opening it, and everybody's on their way to fosdem? | 23:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | neal: in every test I did it didnt work. regarding what I know it just works with wav files | 23:00 |
| neal | evil. | 23:00 |
| neal | very evil. | 23:00 |
| disq | how well do imap wrappers for gmail work? | 23:00 |
| Tak | I didn't know there were imap wrappers | 23:01 |
| disq | there are little python scripts :) | 23:01 |
| Tak | ay | 23:01 |
| keesj | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory doc ... sure go a ahead... | 23:05 |
| disq | docs, who needs em | 23:05 |
| disq | :p | 23:05 |
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| konfoo | keesj: about the motion app - i didnt modify a lot at all except tune the config and remove some exit(-1)s | 23:06 |
| konfoo | motion has always been sort of unstable so im waiting until its fully out of svn before wasting time with patching for n800 compat | 23:06 |
| keesj | konfoo: konfoo I just would be very happy with some working code to start with. | 23:08 |
| disq | you guys have gdb for armel? | 23:08 |
| disq | i tried compiling it with mud but it hung somewhere at dkpg-source, didn't have the time to debug | 23:08 |
| keesj | disq: I even have it on the device (n800 that is) | 23:09 |
| keesj | but I did not compile it , perhaps you are missing some repos? | 23:09 |
| disq | apt-get gdb won't install it | 23:09 |
| disq | and my repos should be fine :) | 23:09 |
| keesj | I know it was kind of broken on the 770 | 23:10 |
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| Tak | yeah, I had issues with gdb and gave up | 23:10 |
| Superbia | http://www.hi-mobile.net/Nokia/Nokia-N800-Full-Unlocked/ I wonder where the sim goes and how you get it to vibrate ^^ | 23:10 |
| keesj | apt-cache policy gdb -> http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 23:11 |
| keesj | SIM-free as "with not sim" | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | Tri band! | 23:12 |
| keesj | tri-band as in bleutooth wifi and fm-radio | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | must mean 802.11b, 802.11g and BT | 23:12 |
| Tak | rofl wow! | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | or maybe fm | 23:12 |
| Superbia | I sure don't have a clue... but in sweden they many times write "sim-free" when there is no subscription... | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | "Included Accessories: 1 Nokia N800 Phone" | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | :) | 23:13 |
| Superbia | the vibration then? :) | 23:13 |
| konfoo | keesj: i'll put the source on my site | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | what's AVI cable? | 23:13 |
| maddler | Superbia: you could also get an unlocked n800 on ebay at 500€ | 23:13 |
| maddler | :DDDD | 23:13 |
| Superbia | haha think I will be okay with mine :P | 23:14 |
| Superbia | can always shake it a little and pretend it vibrates :P | 23:14 |
| maddler | but youu'll also get battery | 23:14 |
| * Tak writes a tutorial on unlocking your n800 and enabling vibration | 23:14 | |
| keesj | lol | 23:15 |
| maddler | lol! | 23:15 |
| Superbia | whats a AVI-cable? :S | 23:15 |
| keesj | that would be wiibration since I can vitrate the wiiremote from my n800 | 23:15 |
| Superbia | haha | 23:15 |
| konfoo | ah but can you move the n800 with the wiimote | 23:16 |
| keesj | AVI-over WIFI support | 23:16 |
| Tak | does it come with a bottle of wifi spray? | 23:16 |
| keesj | konfoo: yes , I play snooker , and the n800 is the ball | 23:16 |
| konfoo | heh | 23:17 |
| maddler | insmod g_wificable | 23:17 |
| Superbia | hmm hehe oh well... still curious why nokia makes a device like this, have linux on it and does even have a slight resemblance of a manual in the box :P | 23:18 |
| maddler | Superbia: man man | 23:18 |
| keesj | maddler: :p | 23:18 |
| Superbia | maddler: didn't they remove man from the n800? :P | 23:19 |
| maddler | ghghgh | 23:19 |
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| maddler | sure they did... that's why they gave you the flyer... | 23:19 |
| Tak | the manual's on the device | 23:19 |
| maddler | :D | 23:19 |
| disq | keesj: thanks. i was missing that :) | 23:20 |
| keesj | If you close that xterm with irssi , you wil find that there is a deskopt behind | 23:20 |
| Superbia | ohh... hmm don't think I seen any pdfs around... need to have a look | 23:21 |
| maddler | I have a desktop behing my laptop as well | 23:21 |
| mgedmin | n800 has a bunch of them in many languages | 23:21 |
| keesj | Superbia: I just disoverd them today whe I used the file manager for the firt time . | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | I moved them all to a mmc card to make backups smaller | 23:22 |
| Tak | I just deleted all the not $LANG ones | 23:22 |
| maddler | where are them? /var simething? | 23:23 |
| keesj | MyDocs/.documents/*.pdf | 23:24 |
| keesj | 17.6M ... | 23:25 |
| Superbia | btw anyone gotten java to run on n800? | 23:25 |
| dolfun | "the n800 doesn't have hardware support for pixeldoubling" <<<< is that true? | 23:26 |
| Tak | yes afaik | 23:26 |
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| maddler | oh... you meant PDFs... deleted them already... ghgh | 23:29 |
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| disq | looks like modest garage page now works | 23:30 |
| * mgedmin is unable to consciously delete information | 23:30 | |
| disq | mgedmin: yeah that's a curse | 23:31 |
| maddler | mgedmin: I only saved englsh one | 23:31 |
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| Tak | ditto | 23:32 |
| maddler | my finnish is not good enough to read manual | 23:34 |
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| Tak | I could probably read the spanish one, but there's no sense in keeping two presentations of the same info | 23:35 |
| maddler | :) | 23:36 |
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| disq | i just asked the mpd guys: it doesn't support gstreamer and would require a lot of changes | 23:45 |
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| Superbia | http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800 why you need my wlan number? :) | 23:55 |
| Superbia | or they maybe I should say... | 23:56 |
| konfoo | Superbia: so they can track your every move | 23:58 |
| Superbia | cool... could they atleast give latest build? :S | 23:58 |
| maddler | use mac changer to generate random mac! :D | 23:58 |
| Superbia | haha | 23:58 |
| Superbia | nah... now I know that alteast someone cares for what I do :P | 23:59 |
| maddler | hahaha... | 23:59 |
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