| Sulis_ | Schmots, yes i know that, but wouldn't the people who pored it to the n800 be able to make it do the fullscreen stuff on the 70? | 00:00 |
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| Tak | yeah, it won't install | 00:04 |
| Tak | and of course there's no source | 00:05 |
| Tak | Skyhusker: can we get a 770 build of your xchat package, or the source with your maemo and debian foo? | 00:07 |
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| Superbia | Hi, I just got me a N800 today and must say I like it alot, but there are somethings that confuse me, is it so that the N800 can't run 770 software? | 00:09 |
| Tak | the N800 will run *most* 770 software | 00:10 |
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| Sulis_ | what are the shared things in canola fo? | 00:12 |
| Sulis_ | for* | 00:12 |
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| Skyhusker | Tak you can get both things :) | 00:20 |
| Tak | both would be great | 00:20 |
| Skyhusker | Tak source is at svn://svn.rm-fr.net/maemo/xchat/branches/2.8 IIRC | 00:20 |
| Skyhusker | Tak: and i'm uploading the gregale package right now | 00:21 |
| Tak | wonderful | 00:21 |
| Tak | the fast turnaround is much appreciated | 00:21 |
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| Skyhusker | Tak: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo gregale free | 00:24 |
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| Tak | great - are you planning to update the .install on downloads.maemo.org ? | 00:24 |
| Superbia | ahh okay, thanks | 00:24 |
| s100user | hello. | 00:25 |
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| Skyhusker | Tak: :wq'ing right now :) | 00:25 |
| s100user | anyone have the pressure sensitive isue on the n800? | 00:25 |
| Skyhusker | Tak: could you please test it? http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/install/xchat.install | 00:26 |
| Tak | will do | 00:26 |
| Skyhusker | btw, just in case anyone is interested, i'm working on a last.fm player for maemo | 00:27 |
| Skyhusker | almost all the backend code is ready, i just need to write the frontend :) | 00:27 |
| s100user | Skyhusker: sky.fm is great... | 00:28 |
| s100user | Skyhusker: I know they send music and artinst info.. i'd be great to see that too... | 00:28 |
| Tak | that's great | 00:28 |
| Skyhusker | s100user: my code reads all the info | 00:28 |
| Tak | assuming the source actually gets released, a canola plugin would be perfect for that | 00:28 |
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| Skyhusker | s100user: in fact, i plan to make something similar to the official player | 00:29 |
| Skyhusker | but using gtk, of course | 00:29 |
| s100user | sky.fm is great , because most of their servers use port 80.. so it can bypass firewalls... | 00:29 |
| Skyhusker | Tak: i always release the source :) | 00:29 |
| Tak | unable to install maemo-xchat :-| | 00:29 |
| Skyhusker | Tak: which error? | 00:29 |
| Tak | didn't give one | 00:29 |
| Tak | trying again | 00:29 |
| Skyhusker | s100user: last.fm also uses http | 00:30 |
| Skyhusker | s100user: both for streaming and metadata | 00:30 |
| s100user | Skyhusker: yes. that's what I meant... :) | 00:31 |
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| s100user | Skyhusker: I notice that, because I'm behind a firewall.. and that's one of the few stations that work... | 00:32 |
| Skyhusker | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/wp/archives/2007/02/18/preview/ | 00:33 |
| Skyhusker | a screenshot made last week | 00:33 |
| Tak | Skyhusker: you might want to add replaces/conflicts for xchat | 00:33 |
| Tak | that was my problem; I had old xchat installed | 00:33 |
| Tak | fullscreen isn't working :-| | 00:34 |
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| Skyhusker | Tak: try with a server window | 00:35 |
| Skyhusker | it won't work in the network list window | 00:35 |
| Tak | I'm on a server window | 00:35 |
| Skyhusker | let me take my 770 and try, sec | 00:35 |
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| Tak | just weird, because they use the same damn fs key | 00:36 |
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| Skyhusker | arg, i need to upgrade to gregale first | 00:37 |
| Skyhusker | will take some minutes | 00:37 |
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| Sulis_ | argh, how do i get root? | 00:39 |
| s100user | Is there a simple and FAST way to connect to a wireless ap? | 00:41 |
| s100user | By using the icon on the top right (search.. connect) it takes me >>10sec... and that's a bit anoying... | 00:41 |
| s100user | is it possible to issue a command linue command? | 00:41 |
| pbrook | s100user: You should be able to configure it with iwconfig. | 00:44 |
| disq | Sulis_: ssh root@127.1 is the safest way. or you could enable r&d mode and "sudo gainroot" afterwards | 00:45 |
| timeless | i prefer ssh root@127.1 :) | 00:45 |
| disq | always. | 00:45 |
| disq | and i don't trust "gainroot" or other packages like it that modify sudoers, i don't like flashing | 00:46 |
| Sulis_ | ok, why is that better? | 00:46 |
| timeless | it uses a standard app? | 00:46 |
| timeless | it doesn't require any evil untrusted unaudited hacks | 00:46 |
| disq | first, most people probably already have sshd on their n800 because of various reasons | 00:47 |
| disq | second, what timeless said | 00:47 |
| c0ffee | i think gainroot is besr | 00:47 |
| c0ffee | best | 00:47 |
| s100user | pbrook: thanks. I tried that.. but it didn't connect... (I was root) | 00:47 |
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| disq | can anybody enable "dual dictionary use" in input settings? i can't | 00:47 |
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| c0ffee | yes | 00:47 |
| s100user | pbrook: I think the problem is that my ap ssid is hidden... | 00:47 |
| s100user | pbrook: but connecting from another device takes 1sec... | 00:48 |
| pbrook | That shouldn't matter. | 00:48 |
| disq | there's a key in gconf for that but the gconf editor didn't allow me to change it. too lazy to do gconftool-2 bla bla. | 00:48 |
| c0ffee | i have en and de enabled | 00:48 |
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| disq | s100user: connection manager from the "start menu", then from the app menu, tools-connectivity settings. then hit the connections button on the bottom | 00:49 |
| Sulis_ | disq, you have to enable the language in the language tab | 00:49 |
| Sulis_ | oh no, general tab | 00:49 |
| disq | ahh, have to select two languages | 00:50 |
| disq | ok, selected english us and english uk. hehe | 00:50 |
| disq | thanks :) | 00:50 |
| Sulis_ | disq, why do you want both? | 00:52 |
| disq | because i want to use the custom dictionary but i also want my english words | 00:53 |
| disq | ie. i selected USe and UKe in the general tab, and chose custom-empty and UKe on the word completion tab | 00:54 |
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| Sulis_ | aah, gotcha | 00:54 |
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| Superbia | is it possible to get fully working perl on an N800? | 01:03 |
| s100user | pbrook: I just tried iwconfig again... didn't work... I did: | 01:03 |
| s100user | ifconfig wlan0 up | 01:03 |
| s100user | iwconfig mode managed essid my_ap | 01:03 |
| disq | probably | 01:03 |
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| Sulis_ | is there a general sources.list that i can download? | 01:04 |
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| pbrook | s100user: Works fine here. | 01:08 |
| pbrook | I've not figured out how to prod the dhcp client into action, but that's a fairly minor detail. | 01:08 |
| pbrook | Ah, there we go. "ifconfig wlan0 up;. iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid; iwconfig wlan0 key xxxx-xxxx-xx; udhcpc -i wlan0" | 01:11 |
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| JohnMeacham_ | how is pdf reading on the N800? signifigantly better? I am still wavering about upgrading. perhaps I will sell my 770 to offset the cost. | 01:12 |
| keesj | Superbia: yes I am pretty sure | 01:14 |
| keesj | there is a fully working perl in the sbox and the 770 did have a perl | 01:14 |
| keesj | I even tried very shortly to compile parrot :p | 01:15 |
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| Superbia | ahh nice, just need to keep looking then ^^ | 01:15 |
| s100user | pbrook: if you can, hide the ssid on the ap.. and try again... | 01:17 |
| s100user | I think this might be the cause... | 01:17 |
| pbrook | Of gourse teh gui doesn't know about teh connection, so eg. starting opera resets everything and kills the connection. | 01:18 |
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| s100user | bye... | 01:25 |
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| b0unc3 | people, there is any way to make an hildon-window transparent ? | 01:42 |
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| Sulis_ | why do i have vi, but apparently no escape key? | 03:15 |
| pbrook | Sulis_: It's the undo button. | 03:16 |
| Sulis_ | oh, that's handy! :) | 03:17 |
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| Com1 | <RobHu> Is the N800 fast enough to run a SNES emulator? | 03:45 |
| pbrook | Probably. | 03:45 |
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| Tak | an arm-optimized one, maybe | 03:48 |
| dolfun | lots of work | 03:48 |
| Tak | indeed | 03:48 |
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| dolfun | i'm curious as to why the genesis emus don't run, since its well... it's c code but... heh... can't even formulate a specific question | 03:51 |
| Com1 | it should be easy enough to print to a bluetooth printer from the n800, correct? | 03:51 |
| dolfun | i don't know of any printing for the nokias | 03:51 |
| Com1 | driver isn't neccessary....through bluetooth | 03:52 |
| Com1 | just like infa-red | 03:52 |
| Com1 | only BT drivers | 03:52 |
| dolfun | so the printer knows how to rasterize, say, a pdf file? | 03:52 |
| dolfun | what data gets sent to the printer? | 03:53 |
| Tak | dolfun: yeah...no useful output , just 'SDL Parachute deployed...' | 03:53 |
| Com1 | what.....so the printer will only print photos? | 03:53 |
| Com1 | bleh..useless | 03:54 |
| dolfun | i don't know anything Com1 , i'm just curious as to how they work | 03:54 |
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| dolfun | some code has to transform a file into a page description language, and some other code has to rasterize that | 03:55 |
| Com1 | the question is.....do printers need to have a common language? (PDL) in order to be able to accept BT devices? | 03:57 |
| Com1 | or can the BT device run that language itself? | 03:57 |
| Tak | I would think you'd need at least cups client software on the device | 04:00 |
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| ocnarfid | ARG gpodder. | 04:01 |
| ocnarfid | freakin keeps loosings the podcasts. | 04:01 |
| pbrook | Does your printer come with drivers? That should be a fairly good clue whether you need them or not. | 04:01 |
| Sulis_ | what program can i use to stream music to my n800 in linux | 04:06 |
| Sulis_ | music or video i guess | 04:07 |
| inode1 | I use slimserver for streaming music | 04:15 |
| Sulis_ | that'll work with media streamer? | 04:22 |
| inode1 | If that is the default internet radio thing on the N770/N800 yes | 04:27 |
| inode1 | Doesn't take much horsepower either. I run it on a slug, works nice even with multiple streams playing. | 04:33 |
| Sulis_ | good, my laptop should handle it easilly then | 04:37 |
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| dolfun | <victori> what is up with the aolbonics, dospod? | 04:49 |
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| Toma- | is there any way to get the filemanager to acess a samba share? | 05:26 |
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| dolfun | i don't know Toma- sorry, | 05:29 |
| Toma- | thanks :) | 05:30 |
| dolfun | google smbmount or mount -t smbfs and maemo | 05:30 |
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| nickers | any word on n800 rhythmbox? i saw today in the cvs files that n800 support was finished in the root trunk | 06:11 |
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| tigert | nickers, sweet | 07:51 |
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| konfoo | anyone here been playing with the camera? | 08:13 |
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| zuh | Yes | 08:20 |
| konfoo | do you know what video input # it uses? | 08:20 |
| hijakk | dang - you all see tonight's woot? That's crazy.. As powerful as my desktop with a bigger display.. | 08:21 |
| konfoo | hijakk: hmmmmmmm :) | 08:21 |
| hijakk | It's also 17 pounds, and $1700.. For a refurb. | 08:22 |
| zuh | konfoo: Humm? I just use the gst plugin, dunno about that... Is that related to the v4l API? | 08:22 |
| konfoo | zuh: yeah | 08:22 |
| zuh | Haven't played with that at all then :) | 08:23 |
| konfoo | ok no worries :) | 08:23 |
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| konfoo | well whaddaya know the motion detector works | 08:42 |
| konfoo | hahaha | 08:49 |
| konfoo | motion detection on n800 with remote browser | 08:49 |
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| konfoo | anyone want to try this motion detector out | 09:06 |
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| Superbia | Hi, anyone know where I might find fully working perl for N800 or perl device modules atleast? | 09:28 |
| Ircnet | Hello, does anyone know where i can find file utility for 770? I need it to be able to see what program makes the core dumps to my memory card. | 09:32 |
| inz | Irc, does the perl from repository.maemo.org's mistral repository work? | 09:32 |
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| Superbia | hmm if it's 5.8.3 it runs but it's gimped... can't make the perl modules etc... missing MakeMaker.pm... | 09:36 |
| sampeson | sorry for stupid nick. Gaim seems difficult for me... | 09:36 |
| sampeson | I know that file program can be found from file utils in linux but has anyone compiled it to maemo? | 09:38 |
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| konfoo | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4869 | 09:49 |
| Superbia | haha nice | 09:50 |
| konfoo | :) | 09:50 |
| konfoo | i need to figure out mud builder for all the crap i have compiled | 09:51 |
| konfoo | its getting out of hand | 09:51 |
| Superbia | hehe, I'm trying to figure out perl... seems like the perl that come with the n800 is missing some components | 09:52 |
| konfoo | good luck :) | 09:52 |
| konfoo | theres a compile of php as well floating about | 09:52 |
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| Superbia | thanks hehe :) ohh? maybe make my N800 into a webserver then :P | 09:53 |
| konfoo | yeah why not ;) | 09:53 |
| konfoo | use with nginx or lighty and youre set | 09:53 |
| Superbia | hehe yeah | 09:53 |
| konfoo | you know we used to host webservers on a 286 back in the day | 09:54 |
| konfoo | this little box is vast milestones ahead of those pieces of crap :) | 09:54 |
| Superbia | yeah that was the good old day when things didn't need several gigs of storage and ram :P | 09:54 |
| Superbia | my friend is using his old retired palm 515 as a router hehe so this would prolly work fine | 09:55 |
| pyhimys | konfoo: what did you run on them? iirc minix requred 386 | 09:55 |
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| konfoo | phy: linux 0.9 ran on a 286, so did minix | 09:59 |
| konfoo | i think it needed 8mb minimum ram | 09:59 |
| pyhimys | konfoo: what a memory hog :) | 10:00 |
| konfoo | haha | 10:00 |
| k-kway | did the 286 have mmu? | 10:00 |
| Superbia | is it hard to make packages that will run on the n800? I mean if I could compiles my perl modules on a linux box and just make a deb and install them that way | 10:00 |
| glas5 | it didn't need a 386? | 10:00 |
| k-kway | Superbia: not that hard, | 10:00 |
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| k-kway | Superbia: how would you package the perl modules in a debian archive? | 10:01 |
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| Superbia | good question k-kway, but there is already a packaged with them just not the right version so I assumed it wouldn't be that hard | 10:02 |
| konfoo | k-kway: er yeah | 10:02 |
| konfoo | all i remember is that it was a step up from the ibm system 36 mainframe :) | 10:03 |
| konfoo | now that, was a pile | 10:03 |
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| zbenjamin | morning @ all | 10:10 |
| Superbia | what is the chance that a debian arm built packaged would work on a internet tablet? | 10:11 |
| k-kway | Superbia: checkout the mud project on garage it concentrates on building .debs from various sources | 10:12 |
| Superbia | ahh thanks | 10:12 |
| k-kway | usualy we build from source, so that is arch idenpendent | 10:14 |
| k-kway | my kid just drawn om my resing letter :( need to boot windows to print it again | 10:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:45 |
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| Superbia | Morning ^^ | 10:47 |
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| Superbia | hmm am I missing something, or how is it ment to install apps from maemo.org's package list if they don't have an installer? mainly nano in this case | 10:48 |
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| Jaffa | Superbia: what do you mean by "installer"? | 10:49 |
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| inz | Jaffa, .install file | 10:49 |
| Superbia | missing .install | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | Ah. | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | Superbia: you need to add the repo information manually, or find a .deb to download. | 10:49 |
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| Guard][an | good morning maemo | 10:50 |
| Superbia | ahh how many more repos do I need? :P I got like 10 or so in my sources.list already... :P | 10:50 |
| Jaffa | You need all the ones which cover all the software you want, and no more ;-) | 10:50 |
| Superbia | haha thanks, that really cleared things up :D | 10:51 |
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| maddler | re | 10:55 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 11:44 |
| lardman | hi bedboi | 11:46 |
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| k-kway | Jaffa: I am getting errors when mud is trying to build a depenency | 11:55 |
| Superbia | this repo stuff is really confusing... | 11:57 |
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| k-kway | Jaffa: hmm it-s a different problem while building the bc package : unpacking bc_1.06.orig.tar.gz ,applying ./bc_1.06-20.diff.gz , Set build dir to [/home/keesj/mud-builder/build/dc/dc-1.06], Failed to run build on util-linux: Build dir not set. | 11:58 |
| k-kway | perhaps aproblem with the -20? | 11:58 |
| k-kway | bc -> dc? | 11:59 |
| inz | doh, tried to package drupal with database.sqlite.inc, but install doesn't work | 12:01 |
| inz | :( | 12:01 |
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| k-kway | inz what kind of n3w8ie error message to you get? | 12:04 |
| inz | k-kway, I don't really get a error message, I get a failed SQL query | 12:05 |
| inz | k-kway, it seems to try to select before creating any tables. | 12:05 |
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| k-kway | "Skype has just asked the FCC to force wireless phone companies to open their networks to all comers."(slashdot) would that be good news for maemo? how is the skype port comming? | 12:07 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: I'd need to see a full log. | 12:15 |
| keesj | Jaffa: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/4u.log | 12:20 |
| Superbia | is GPE-calendar the best option atm if I want to be able to sync with google calendar? | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | keesj: so you've created a util-linux package, using a deb fetch? | 12:22 |
| keesj | yes | 12:22 |
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| Jaffa | OK, can you `rm -rf build' and try again? I'd like to compare the logs :) | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | Ah, I think I know what it is. | 12:24 |
| keesj | Jaffa http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/4u2.log | 12:24 |
| keesj | so how many files are on my home dir on box :p | 12:25 |
| keesj | I should really call it trashcan | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | Yep, I know what it is. Raise a bug and attach the 4u2.log, I'll try and look at it later. | 12:26 |
| keesj | done | 12:30 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: ta | 12:37 |
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| Handful__ | tigerT : just read your comment : about speed x volume : I Would REALLY use that ehhehe | 12:40 |
| Handful__ | and also some : noise measurement inside the car =) to adjust it =) | 12:41 |
| Handful__ | my car is loud as hell inside, even when moving slow | 12:41 |
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| Handful__ | tigert : But what I would really want for Brazil is : to be able to be warned when approaching a speed radar over the speed limit = ) | 12:50 |
| Handful__ | I think this could also be used here in Finland! At least near by Oulu there's a lot of speed radars : ) | 12:50 |
| ptman | Is there a shortage of N800s? My still hasn't arrived... =( | 12:52 |
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| maddler | ptman: has it been shipped? | 12:56 |
| ptman | Actually I don't quite know... It's not going to be _mine_ actually. A company buys it, and I'll develop some software on the platform. They just told earlier from the company that it should arrive on week 6 and it still hasn't arrived | 12:57 |
| kkito | you must to respect the speed limits, driving on a public way it is not a game, you can crash an kill someone, please if you want to run, you can rent a private racing circuit, there you cannot kill innocent people | 12:58 |
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| ptman | kkito: while I agree with you, it really would help to know where those radars are, because generally all cars drive a bit over the limit and I have no idea what the threashold on those radars is | 12:59 |
| tigert | Handful__: navicore has that :) | 13:00 |
| tigert | it warns about the automatic traffic cameras :) | 13:00 |
| tigert | if you are speeding | 13:00 |
| tigert | maemo mapper could do the same with a POI database | 13:00 |
| ptman | and because all are driving too fast, if I follow regulations precisely there will only be much more overtakes which lowers the safety of the roads much more than just 3% more speed | 13:00 |
| tigert | Handful__: but yeah, using the car telemetry data in canola or other apps might make sense for a car kit | 13:01 |
| Handful__ | tigert : that's good | 13:07 |
| Handful__ | tigert : I'm installing the plankton theme all around the office here in oulu :) | 13:08 |
| Handful__ | I just can't use the black one ehehehe | 13:08 |
| Handful__ | and plankton is just **** nice =) | 13:09 |
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| disq | i wish the contacts app had built in transport support | 13:17 |
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| Jaffa | kkito: also, in the UK at least, many of the speed limits are wrong and anachronistic. Many country roads have a 60mph limit where they should be 40, or even 30. Others are 60mph where they could be 70. Motorways are 70mph blanket, no matter what the whether, despite the 85th percentile of traffic travelling at a speed of 85mph on UK motorways. | 13:18 |
| Handful__ | kkito : I had tickets 2 times in roads where the speed limit were 60km/h. you know how fast I was? 66km/h , so I would really love to know that I'm slight above the limit, maybe because I'm trying to pass a truck on the right lane... | 13:22 |
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| MDK | so what's the story with midgard migration? | 13:36 |
| MDK | is it okay to put the documentation in the existing wiki? | 13:36 |
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| disq | existing? old or new? | 13:43 |
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| MDK | existing == www.maemo.org new = test.maemo.org | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | MDK: http://test.maemo.org/community/wiki/frontpage/ Scroll down to the bottom. | 13:44 |
| MDK | if I understand this whole thing correctly | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | It seems that all pages are imported.. | 13:45 |
| MDK | so it's okay to edit new wiki? It won't disapper? | 13:45 |
| MDK | *disappear | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | MDK: I'm not able to edit the pages there. | 13:47 |
| Superbia | anyone managed to figure out how to get gmail with the default email client? I seen some chat logs from here that seems to indicate it... but might be wrong | 13:47 |
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| disq | http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/02/21/2326240.shtml | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | lol | 13:49 |
| Superbia | haha thats solid alright :D | 13:49 |
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| tigert | MDK: ask ferenc | 13:50 |
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| inz | gtkdoc <3 | 14:01 |
| inz | I'm compiling libsoup, my laptops stays nice and quiet, until gtkdoc starts running | 14:01 |
| inz | After that the cpu fan stars whirring ;) | 14:01 |
| disq | :) | 14:03 |
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| Handful__ | :) | 14:06 |
| kkito | what is https://stage.maemo.org/ ? | 14:11 |
| tigert | its yet another piece in the puzzle of confusing naming of all things nokia | 14:13 |
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| MDK | hah | 14:32 |
| MDK | kkito: it's the public svn repository | 14:32 |
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| Handful__ | lsobral : hei leo! | 14:38 |
| lsobral | hi Handful__ ! | 14:38 |
| Handful__ | the picasa web support rocked =) | 14:39 |
| lsobral | :) | 14:40 |
| Handful__ | but did you do something about the gallery rss and the albums rss? | 14:40 |
| lsobral | I tested both and they worked ok | 14:41 |
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| lsobral | in the galery rss just one photo per gallery is displayed | 14:42 |
| Handful__ | yeah | 14:42 |
| Handful__ | is just the link for the full album | 14:42 |
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| bergie | hey, any recommendations for a Linux UPnP server to use with Canola? | 14:52 |
| koen | mediatomb? ushare? | 14:55 |
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| Handful__ | bergie | 14:55 |
| Handful__ | linux ? | 14:55 |
| Handful__ | twonky was the best one so far in our tests : / | 14:56 |
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| bergie | Handful_: I'm using this has a home server: http://www.linkstationwiki.net/index.php?title=Projects/OpenLink | 14:57 |
| bergie | but twonky is proprietary, isn't it? | 14:58 |
| Handful__ | yeah : / | 14:59 |
| kpenrose | anyone have problems downloading maps for maemo mapper? I get an error trying to download google street maps. | 14:59 |
| bergie | then again, so is Canola :-/ | 14:59 |
| Handful__ | we also used fuppes, but empty titles were crashing s | 14:59 |
| Handful__ | bergie : we are preparing the sources to release a big part of it | 14:59 |
| bergie | great! | 14:59 |
| Handful__ | only the parts that are under heavy dev will not be open, but at least is a beggining.. | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | Handful__: Which parts will that be? | 15:00 |
| Handful__ | we tried so much to do that... I'm very excited with the possibilities =) | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Handful__: We will too :) | 15:00 |
| Handful__ | X-Fade AFAIK, we will release everything but the ui layer (the smallest part) because has some sdl issues | 15:00 |
| Handful__ | and we are porting to other API now | 15:00 |
| Handful__ | so, no sense deploy it now | 15:01 |
| bergie | Handful__: May I blog this? :-) | 15:01 |
| Handful__ | wait a little bit more =) | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Handful__: Evas? | 15:01 |
| bergie | sure | 15:01 |
| Jaffa | Handful__: surely opening up the bit which is being worked on most actively is one of the most important, as it lets new developers get a grasp of the direction of the project. | 15:01 |
| Handful__ | we are argumenting about afull release | 15:01 |
| Handful__ | Jaffa : I also think so, but not every manager in the world : / | 15:01 |
| Handful__ | but hey guys, is a start! =) | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | Handful__: Can you tell us more about the business case for indt to develop software like this? | 15:02 |
| Jaffa | Handful__: fair enough :-) | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | How are they making money out of this? | 15:02 |
| bergie | Handful__: How is the web configuration UI done? What programming language? | 15:02 |
| Handful__ | send my an email with your question! | 15:02 |
| bergie | it could use a bit of love :-) | 15:02 |
| Handful__ | bergie : UI is pure html + mochikit for Ajax | 15:02 |
| bergie | ok | 15:02 |
| Handful__ | the backend is a custom made web server + gconf | 15:02 |
| bergie | Actually, gconf was answer enough :-) thx | 15:03 |
| Handful__ | so, I read luis saying that the worst thing about closed source project.. was that annoying bugs never get fixed | 15:03 |
| bergie | I'm considering that with GeoClue we could have an app that would subscribe to local news podcasts based on location | 15:03 |
| Handful__ | now it will be easy to fix them =) | 15:03 |
| bergie | I think I saw a service related to that | 15:03 |
| Handful__ | and even create support for more servers..etc | 15:03 |
| bergie | this would be nice with Canola... http://blog.homac.de/?p=48 | 15:05 |
| Handful__ | open the core, willmake possible to implement a lot of ideas, and providem them as downloadable plugins =) | 15:05 |
| Handful__ | so we can keep the basic canola very simple (which is my goal) and the users can customize as much as they want =) | 15:06 |
| bergie | nice | 15:06 |
| bergie | BTW, comments on autodownload of podcasts? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35956&postcount=44 | 15:06 |
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| Handful__ | this is on our todo since the beginning, but we needed to focus on the basic things | 15:07 |
| bergie | understandably | 15:08 |
| Handful__ | : ( I really wanted that.. but I can run the project thinking of myself... so we set up some priorities : / | 15:08 |
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| Handful__ | but, once it's done.. we will try to make it right =) | 15:08 |
| bergie | well, you guys are doing a great job with the basic UI things | 15:08 |
| andrunko | morn | 15:08 |
| Veggen | ...but I'd like a way to cache podcasts. Right now, gpodder is a better alternative for me for podcasts, as I'd like to download podcasts to listen to when on the bus or similar. | 15:10 |
| Veggen | (oh, I see it's what's being discussed ;) | 15:10 |
| Handful__ | Veggen : yes.. | 15:15 |
| bergie | Veggen: yeah, but gPodder also has the issue that it doesn't auto-download on the background | 15:15 |
| bergie | Veggen: So I always forget to download the stuff when I'm at home and then notice on the bus I have only old podcasts | 15:15 |
| Handful__ | we want to provide that.. | 15:15 |
| Handful__ | but think about the problems on maemo... download on background.. and theres no space left... andyou need to provide also management for the caches... | 15:16 |
| Handful__ | I know someone said "let the user delete the cache themselves" but it doesn't work like that | 15:16 |
| bergie | Handful__: set up a maximum (configurable) cache size | 15:16 |
| bergie | and provide possibility to autodelete stuff user has already listened to | 15:16 |
| bergie | (though then a "keep" button would be nice) | 15:17 |
| bergie | Have you seen how Democracy Player handles this? | 15:17 |
| Handful__ | yeah bergie, I use it | 15:17 |
| bergie | that provides a quite nice "just works" experience | 15:17 |
| Handful__ | but on the desktop right? =) | 15:17 |
| bergie | if Canola could do the same on Maemo it'd totally rock | 15:17 |
| Handful__ | that's the goal, but Maemo is a little bit different =) eheheh | 15:18 |
| bergie | sure | 15:18 |
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| Handful__ | so I'm hearing everyone's opinion about it | 15:18 |
| bergie | and Canola does a lot more | 15:18 |
| Handful__ | and we will make it! now with n800 is easier | 15:18 |
| Handful__ | 2 memory cards..etc | 15:18 |
| Handful__ | I'm very excited about new versions etc | 15:18 |
| Handful__ | being able to do REALLy more stuff | 15:19 |
| bergie | yeah... with two 8GB cards I could actually carry all my music on the N800 | 15:19 |
| disq | you guys should just make your svn public | 15:19 |
| disq | and forget about making a source release etc. if anybody's interested they should get the sources from svn | 15:20 |
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| disq | and keeping the part that's "very much in development" closed sucks | 15:21 |
| Handful__ | disq : thats so much easier, but dude... | 15:21 |
| Handful__ | I think the hardest part of the whole project was to convince people to release the sources.. | 15:21 |
| Veggen | What's INDTs business case? | 15:22 |
| disq | would it help if i sent some lawyers your way? :P | 15:22 |
| Handful__ | : / it's frustating now that we are getting there.. to hear "that sucks" =) but ok... it's your point | 15:22 |
| bergie | Handful__: Are you going to host on Garage BTW? | 15:23 |
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| disq | that sucks because.. well, nokia is doing it with most of their exciting developments (it2007, before release?) | 15:23 |
| Handful__ | Veggen : we provide development / research in a lot of areas (mechanics, logistics, network, etc) OS is a small stream starting to show things.. | 15:23 |
| Handful__ | yeah for sure, but as nokia started a lot more "closed" and was slowly opening things up | 15:23 |
| Veggen | Handful: well, yah. But ok, about the N800 development, what's the plan? And what's the goal for INDTs development there? | 15:24 |
| Handful__ | I believe we could do the same | 15:24 |
| Veggen | mm. | 15:24 |
| Handful__ | Veggen : I think you email the Office's manager =) | 15:24 |
| kkito | Handful__, are you changing SDL for another api on canola? | 15:24 |
| Veggen | no, I was just wondering ;) Whether or not they had any closed source-business to speak of, a plan of how to make money, etc. Every company needs to make money, I know that :) | 15:25 |
| disq | imho slowly opening things up usually doesn't work for the outside developers. you can't send in a patch without sources. or you can't make a fork (if it's even possible with the current license, not sure, haven't read the agreement X-| ) | 15:25 |
| bergie | Veggen: AFAIK INdT is a research institute funded by Nokia | 15:25 |
| bergie | Veggen: so they have to research stuff not make direct revenue :-) | 15:25 |
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| Veggen | ok. | 15:25 |
| Veggen | good :) | 15:26 |
| bergie | Brazilian tax stuff if I understood correctly | 15:26 |
| Handful__ | Yes bergie | 15:26 |
| Handful__ | but for example : we cannot work for nokia for free. That's against the law | 15:27 |
| disq | btw i looked at the bt-headset stuff (not connecting a headset, rather emulating a headset) but couldn't find where to start | 15:27 |
| Handful__ | but know we do generate money through research projects | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | disq: as can be seen why (AFAIK) there haven't been loads of patches submitted externally for Maemo. There's no build environment, no way of getting a handle on the whole thing | 15:27 |
| Handful__ | in several areas | 15:27 |
| * Jaffa 's theory, anyway. | 15:27 | |
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| Handful__ | Veggen I understand you point : like if would create a branded canola or something like that.. and "tie" this to some content-provider bundle | 15:28 |
| disq | yeah sometimes i feel like we're wasting time. also the crappy hardware doesn't help much (touchscreen started to lose sensitivity on the left side too) | 15:28 |
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| disq | and if i send it to the service i know they're going to hold on to it for 2 or 3 months (not that there's a n800 service back here) | 15:30 |
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| Handful__ | but that happens in a lot of products | 15:31 |
| Handful__ | my powerbook is dying | 15:31 |
| Handful__ | but if I took to some service center... heheeh bye bye | 15:31 |
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| disq | but you didn't purchase your powerbook 30 days ago, did you :) | 15:31 |
| Handful__ | lol ok ok, no | 15:32 |
| disq | or a year (my 770. the touchscreen barely works in the middle, works ok in corners/sides) | 15:32 |
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| Handful__ | funny thing.. mine still works good (no I'm not advocating.. just saying) =) | 15:35 |
| disq | yeah. lucky i didn't have one of those faulty touchscreens/controllers on the 770 | 15:35 |
| disq | but inspect your n800 about the pressure sensitivity problem. just to be sure | 15:36 |
| Handful__ | ok I will do that | 15:37 |
| disq | in mine it's apparent in the right side of the screen (scrollbar area) and now where the "start menu" is | 15:37 |
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| Veggen | a wiki page about "known issues" would be good. | 15:37 |
| Veggen | oh, there is. | 15:38 |
| Veggen | but it doesn't include hardware issues. | 15:38 |
| Veggen | and doesn't look updated. | 15:38 |
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| bergie | hmm... looks like Canola doesn't notice if your speakers are muted | 15:40 |
| Handful__ | we do have the mute signal in the volume bar, but we chose to no control the master volume | 15:40 |
| Handful__ | but yeah.. now that you said : we should have a clear indication of that | 15:41 |
| tigert | it kinda sucks though since canola only has fullscreen mode | 15:41 |
| Handful__ | that's why is going under redesign | 15:41 |
| tigert | so its awkward to go to the volume control | 15:41 |
| tigert | ok, interesting | 15:41 |
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| Handful__ | tigert : yes tigert and we needed to hear first | 15:41 |
| Handful__ | before doing things.. | 15:41 |
| tigert | Handful__: where was the suggestions page? | 15:41 |
| tigert | I have two more ideas | 15:41 |
| cybergypsy | Handful__: can you get Canola to recognise .mp2 as well as .mp3 ? | 15:42 |
| Handful__ | I'colleting everyone ideas =) | 15:42 |
| tigert | 1) for photocasts, please *rotate* the slideshow | 15:42 |
| tigert | I want to use this as my "flickr friends photos" photoframe on my work desk :) | 15:42 |
| Handful__ | cybe : send a email to k2 | 15:42 |
| tigert | so it should just loop infinitely, but periodically (every 15 mins?) check for updates in the feed | 15:42 |
| Handful__ | tigert : yeah, to use better the screen right? | 15:42 |
| tigert | and should just drop off N older ones in the slideshow | 15:42 |
| Handful__ | yeah. the photoframe thing | 15:42 |
| tigert | also | 15:42 |
| tigert | I dont know if we have enough performance, | 15:43 |
| Handful__ | thumbs? | 15:43 |
| Handful__ | =) | 15:43 |
| tigert | but it would be sweet to always scale (keeping aspect ratio) to *fill the whole screen* (no black bars) | 15:43 |
| Handful__ | I really would like to do that ehehe | 15:43 |
| tigert | and then slowly scroll the "overlapping" side accross | 15:43 |
| tigert | just do it very very slow | 15:43 |
| Handful__ | and also if possible the "ken burns" effect | 15:43 |
| tigert | yea, but scaling is too much | 15:43 |
| disq | Handful__: "lock/unlock screen" mode like iphone to prevent unintended touches. but keep the volume keys working, even add key combinations. | 15:43 |
| Handful__ | yeah.. but we tried in the 770 -> no way | 15:44 |
| tigert | but just the sliding will do LOTS | 15:44 |
| tigert | but it can be very slow | 15:44 |
| Handful__ | just moving sides..yeah | 15:44 |
| Handful__ | but's possible... | 15:44 |
| tigert | just like 1-2px / sec | 15:44 |
| andrunko | cybergypsy: to make canola recognise mp2 files you can change /apps/canola/extensions_audio gconf key and add mp2 there | 15:44 |
| disq | locking/unlocking the whole device is not practical on the road/bus etc | 15:44 |
| Handful__ | not VERY good, but possible | 15:44 |
| tigert | just increase the time per slide | 15:44 |
| Handful__ | yeah | 15:44 |
| tigert | its kinda fast now, for photoframe use it does not need to be that fast | 15:44 |
| andrunko | cybergypsy: or use canola-conf-set_extensions_audio.sh | 15:44 |
| Handful__ | tigert : we tought of placing a configure tool for slideshows.. | 15:44 |
| Handful__ | yeah.. sometimes takes times to download the pics | 15:44 |
| tigert | Handful__: configure tool, or maybe just in the slideshow view, when you start it, | 15:45 |
| tigert | at the same time with the arrows, | 15:45 |
| tigert | you can just have 3 buttons in the bottomish center | 15:45 |
| Handful__ | yeah, I think we can solve that.. with a better set of options | 15:45 |
| Handful__ | but I'm with you in those suggestion | 15:45 |
| tigert | [ 3s ] [ 10s ] [ 20s ] | 15:45 |
| tigert | for example | 15:45 |
| tigert | just ad-hoc setting | 15:45 |
| Handful__ | I see, like the ratings stars | 15:45 |
| Handful__ | yeah.. | 15:45 |
| tigert | since it depends on the situation what you want | 15:45 |
| keesj | I want bookmarks | 15:45 |
| Handful__ | that's what we 've planned for a lot of features | 15:45 |
| Handful__ | buttons on the rating / bar | 15:46 |
| tigert | Handful__: do you have a wiki for this? | 15:46 |
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| cybergypsy | ok , thanks andrunko - that`ll save me renaming | 15:46 |
| Handful__ | not | 15:46 |
| Handful__ | but I think it's a good idea to start one know | 15:46 |
| Handful__ | actually | 15:46 |
| tigert | Handful__: would be fun to have a hackfest for this in some conference, but we'd need to get this freed first :P | 15:46 |
| Handful__ | let me request it =) | 15:46 |
| Handful__ | tigert : our dream =) some guys here in the channel (andrunko, chenca, Ks) would love that =) | 15:47 |
| andrunko | sure :) | 15:47 |
| Handful__ | tigert : i will open a wiki, and ask people to try to propose the at least a detailed "sequence" for any requested features.. like you did briefly here | 15:47 |
| Handful__ | so others users can really "vote" on it | 15:47 |
| tigert | Handful__: yea, a small "storyboard" plus some use cases | 15:48 |
| Handful__ | yes | 15:48 |
| Handful__ | that's right | 15:48 |
| tigert | perhaps it could have a template to copy for each entry | 15:48 |
| Handful__ | yeah | 15:48 |
| Handful__ | I will work on that.. | 15:48 |
| Handful__ | because now that is redesign time... | 15:48 |
| tigert | Use case: "user is doing foo, and wants to do bar, by doing..." | 15:48 |
| tigert | Proposed solution: blah blah | 15:48 |
| disq | if only somebody were to port mpd, i will hack mpc for my needs btw :) | 15:48 |
| tigert | Additional comments: | 15:48 |
| Handful__ | its the time to see all possible features really "integrated" | 15:48 |
| tigert | maybe something like this? | 15:48 |
| tigert | questions: perhaps too | 15:49 |
| Handful__ | sometimes now... I feel like (we are pushing something into somewhere we shouldn't ) | 15:49 |
| tigert | so you get a bit more unified entries there | 15:49 |
| Handful__ | yes | 15:49 |
| Handful__ | and I think there's a lot =) | 15:49 |
| tigert | but we should not make it a mess with everything possible | 15:49 |
| tigert | its quite good now, but it already is kind of complex to navigate sometimes | 15:49 |
| tigert | when you forgot where something was | 15:49 |
| tigert | so it needs to stay consistent | 15:50 |
| Handful__ | but people should know..that there's only 3 developers on the project now , 1 ui + 1 intern of graphics =) so we SHOULD REALLY choose well | 15:50 |
| Handful__ | yeah | 15:50 |
| Handful__ | a lot of small things could have been done better | 15:50 |
| Handful__ | but as requirements evolves...we need to follow | 15:50 |
| Handful__ | and for me, there's nothing better to see people using and hear them | 15:50 |
| Handful__ | for example, there's a lot of changes for multiple selection on list, but now that the "remote control" need is down.. it's going to be redesigned to work correctly with that | 15:51 |
| Handful__ | and I also have some other thumb projects on going..so lot's of new interaction ideas are being "tested" for the n800 screen | 15:52 |
| Handful__ | =) | 15:52 |
| Handful__ | one thing that I really don't like : is the menu on the first screen (actually when it has more than 3 items | 15:52 |
| Handful__ | I'm planning to really organize features better, make a more consistent home screen | 15:52 |
| kpenrose | Handful__: Just came on, what application are we talking about here? | 15:53 |
| Handful__ | have a nice "play now button" =) that can take you straight to the player | 15:53 |
| Handful__ | kpenrose : canola player | 15:53 |
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| Handful__ | but tigert : I will do the wiki thing =) maybe on garage itself? | 15:54 |
| Handful__ | I just hope my lap top stay alive for the next weeks , because I don't think there's a apple support place here | 15:55 |
| Guardian | ouch gtk drives me crazy :) | 15:55 |
| Guardian | i can't get rid of the empty space between a button and it's child label | 15:55 |
| Guardian | whatever i might try | 15:55 |
| Guardian | xthickness, border width, etc | 15:56 |
| Guardian | can't make it :( | 15:56 |
| tigert | Handful__: yeah, on garage | 15:58 |
| keesj | perhas radio and webcam support would be nice in calona , together with music /webcam vidjee screensavers | 15:58 |
| tigert | Handful__: while you are at it, move the code there too *cough* :^) | 15:58 |
| Handful__ | hahaha | 15:58 |
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| tigert | Handful__: but yeah, the garage project lets you have wiki and stuff | 15:58 |
| tigert | I need to put plankton there too | 15:58 |
| Handful__ | I can do that =) and become a homeless unemploeyed guy here in Oulu | 15:59 |
| tigert | :) | 15:59 |
| Handful__ | I planning to create also using that template, I have also a very simple neutral gray theme that I did for some gtk project.. | 15:59 |
| keesj | Handful__: that does sound very atractive, no need to work , Oulu | 15:59 |
| tigert | Handful__: but seriously, canola would really be one of the big maemo opensource app projects getting lots of interest | 16:00 |
| Handful__ | its not as close to be good like plankton but we should get more themes from the people =) eheh | 16:00 |
| tigert | just food for thought, although I bet you have a mouthful already :) | 16:00 |
| tigert | Handful__: yeah | 16:00 |
| Handful__ | yes.. that's exactly what we use as argument internally | 16:00 |
| tigert | MDK and I are writing a google doc about using the theme tools | 16:00 |
| tigert | actually let us share the url | 16:00 |
| Handful__ | because we think people would really like to thinker with it | 16:00 |
| tigert | since its not secret | 16:00 |
| tigert | just not finished | 16:00 |
| Handful__ | ok | 16:00 |
| tigert | Handful__: yeah | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | nice! | 16:01 |
| Guardian | GtkButton has style properties that are read only like "child-displacement-x" "default-border" etc, why the hell is this hardcoded ? | 16:01 |
| tigert | Handful__: stuff like the "control volume with car speed" stuff | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | I was almost doing a slidesheet on photoshop ahahaha | 16:01 |
| tigert | and using canola as a car mediacenter | 16:01 |
| tigert | etc | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | yeah =) | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | Canola Car Edition =) | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | hahahah | 16:01 |
| tigert | there would be lots of stuff that is simply impossible because you can not hack it | 16:01 |
| tigert | but lemme ask mdk to make the doc public | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | ok | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | but still I don't want to be a homeless guy here in oulu | 16:01 |
| Handful__ | too cold nowdays lol | 16:02 |
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| Handful__ | and the food today.. NO WAY | 16:02 |
| disq | :) | 16:02 |
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| inz | disq, just commited maemo-blog that doesn't require xmlrpc-c anymore | 16:04 |
| inz | disq, and all the dependencies are in maemo-hackers.org repository | 16:04 |
| timeless | hello world | 16:05 |
| timeless | has anyone here ever seen a PDF with a web link? | 16:05 |
| kpenrose | so, how long before canola is out of beta for the 800? I hear many good things about it. | 16:05 |
| disq | inz: good to hear. though my intentions was inspect the gtktextview code :p | 16:06 |
| tigert | Handful__: you can move to spain and work for fluendo or something :) | 16:06 |
| disq | inz: btw you should use wpeditor as the editor widget, it's really cool | 16:06 |
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| tigert | inz: woot | 16:06 |
| tigert | timeless: often | 16:06 |
| tigert | kpenrose: use the beta | 16:06 |
| tigert | :) | 16:06 |
| inz | disq, I'm considering that -- although it probably doesn't support anything else than html, nor does it support inline images (I suppose) | 16:07 |
| Handful__ | tigert : I like potatos and meatballs thanx ehehe | 16:07 |
| timeless | tigert: if you use pdfviewer on your n800 | 16:07 |
| inz | disq, but it would at least be a "good" starting point for a fork | 16:07 |
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| timeless | and load a pdf w/ such a link, what happens if you trigger the link? | 16:07 |
| disq | inz: no it doesn't but yeah you can fork it | 16:07 |
| timeless | http://cran.r-project.org/doc/manuals/R-intro.pdf page 75 has a web link in case you don't have one handy | 16:07 |
| tigert | Handful__: they got them there :) | 16:08 |
| inz | disq, I checked the source a bit, it didn't look too nice -- better than my current though ;) | 16:08 |
| tigert | timeless: not sure in that | 16:08 |
| tigert | timeless: I bet you already know what happens? :) | 16:08 |
| timeless | tigert: not this time | 16:09 |
| disq | well i kinda liked it, i don't think it can be cleaner than that given how gtktextbuffer works | 16:09 |
| timeless | my devices are charging for my trip to fosdem | 16:09 |
| bilboed | Handful__, he, we have potatos and meatballs in spain too :) | 16:09 |
| timeless | and i need to read a stupid spec and see how often it's lying | 16:09 |
| timeless | oh, and i need to find my name tag | 16:09 |
| timeless | it says "timeless", but i can't remember where it is | 16:09 |
| tigert | timeless: I should do chargers from some prototype units :) | 16:10 |
| tigert | one really eats battery fast when REALLY starting to like the device like I do | 16:10 |
| Handful__ | hei bilboed : how are you dude? coming to bossa ? | 16:11 |
| disq | tigert: did the rx34 prototypes had "n800" written on the case? (or, can you reveal this information? :P ) | 16:11 |
| bilboed | Handful__, no, wim is going instead | 16:11 |
| Handful__ | I like -30 =) | 16:11 |
| bilboed | Handful__, you're insane :) | 16:11 |
| tigert | disq: protos probably can be anything | 16:11 |
| Handful__ | heheh I know that | 16:11 |
| Handful__ | I like avanto | 16:11 |
| bilboed | Handful__, 14C here... and i'm freezing | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | Handful__: idea/wishlist for canola: when you change the volume, do a smooth slide over 1 second instead of changing it abruptly | 16:12 |
| Handful__ | slide in the bar you say? | 16:12 |
| tigert | hmm | 16:12 |
| tigert | EFHF 221350Z 01005KT 320V100 CAVOK M12/M19 Q1034 | 16:12 |
| timeless | ?! | 16:12 |
| tigert | oh, the temperature warmed up drastically | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | disq: according to Karoliina's blog, her prototype didn't. | 16:12 |
| tigert | -12 only | 16:12 |
| part | it's still too cold | 16:13 |
| timeless | tigert: just fly to brussels | 16:13 |
| disq | i like cold outdoors and really warm indoors | 16:13 |
| tigert | timeless: nah | 16:13 |
| tigert | its fine like this | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | Handful__: not a visual effect, but an audio effect | 16:13 |
| Handful__ | -15 here It's good enough | 16:13 |
| tigert | better this than +2 and wet and sloshy | 16:13 |
| Handful__ | AHHH | 16:13 |
| Handful__ | I see it | 16:13 |
| disq | Jaffa: oh. i was just wondering :) | 16:13 |
| mgedmin | the user interface is very smooth, and these sudden volume jumps are a bit jarring | 16:13 |
| Handful__ | tigert : agreed | 16:13 |
| Handful__ | Andrunko : is that possible dude? | 16:14 |
| andrunko | Handful__: sorry, let me read the bl | 16:14 |
| Handful__ | to smoothly increase / decrease the volume.. not jumping to the new one | 16:15 |
| disq | Handful__: feature request - really easy: listen for dbus messages to pause/next/prev and volume. also provide the "current playing filename" and/or "current playing title/artist" via a dbus service? | 16:15 |
| tigert | darn. sucks to miss fosdem | 16:15 |
| tigert | all the cool kids are going | 16:16 |
| disq | (i also mailed the osso-mediaserver's maintainer for this but haven't got any replies yet) | 16:16 |
| Handful__ | Andrunko ; your problem hehehe | 16:16 |
| tigert | but I hope to go to LGM and guadec | 16:16 |
| tigert | Handful__: if you do the template btw, use Inkscape and the SVG | 16:16 |
| andrunko | Handful__: yeah, it's possible | 16:16 |
| tigert | its much nicer to edit | 16:16 |
| tigert | Handful__: one thing I need to try some day, is to get a projector, project the template to a wall, and sketch it with a thick pencil :) | 16:16 |
| tigert | or finger paints or such :) | 16:16 |
| Handful__ | ok =) | 16:16 |
| tigert | and then photograph it and scale to correct size again | 16:17 |
| Handful__ | lol | 16:17 |
| tigert | that'd make a sweet theme :) | 16:17 |
| Handful__ | owo | 16:17 |
| andrunko | disq: yeah, this is in my TODO list since the beggining, provide a player dbus interface, so you can control canola using dbus | 16:17 |
| Handful__ | paint with your toe! | 16:17 |
| andrunko | but we have a lot of things to do first | 16:17 |
| tigert | Handful__: :) | 16:17 |
| tigert | what would ROCK is aboriginal style theme btw | 16:17 |
| tigert | holy crap that would rule on the high res screen | 16:17 |
| disq | andrunko: yeah, makes it possible for new stuff like a now playing desktop applet, or an audioscrobbler (last.fm) plugin to report back played tracks | 16:17 |
| Handful__ | aboriginal? I can make some "xingu" style | 16:17 |
| tigert | http://www.artsansfrontieres.com.au/ASF_Australian_Aboriginal_Paintings/233%20women%20dreaming.JPG | 16:18 |
| disq | andrunko: now, i could do it if you guys opened the source :p | 16:18 |
| andrunko | disq: yeah, that's the idea | 16:18 |
| tigert | like that ^^^ | 16:18 |
| tigert | would at least be different :) | 16:18 |
| andrunko | disq: hehehe, but i can do it :P | 16:18 |
| disq | i know you can, but you have a lot of things to do first :p | 16:19 |
| andrunko | the code will be opened soon or later, you can bet | 16:19 |
| andrunko | but we can't do much | 16:19 |
| disq | hopefully :) anyway thanks for the response | 16:19 |
| andrunko | :) | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | andrunko: Start leaking certain files ;) | 16:19 |
| Handful__ | andrunko : if we could decided that it was open already for a year =) like Carman =) | 16:20 |
| andrunko | yeah, for eg the mplayer plugin, i did it in one day, it's not optimized, and it could be improved if the source was opened | 16:21 |
| andrunko | btw, i will release the package for it today | 16:21 |
| Handful__ | let's update the website also | 16:25 |
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| Handful__ | andrunko tell me the hour.. I need to cut my hair, and things close early here =) I'm always facing the closed door! ehehe I'm almost a jackson five member | 16:28 |
| andrunko | Handful__: ok i will tell you, go cut your hair, i need to finish some things first :) | 16:30 |
| Handful__ | hehehe =) I also need to ask some finnish guys with beard out there.. how to prevent you beard to freeze =) | 16:30 |
| marciom | hehe | 16:31 |
| pyhimys | Handful__: it's impossible, you just have to wipe it clean with your mittens when you go inside | 16:31 |
| RobHu | I just tried to tar -xf a 3.0 GB tar on my N800... I got a 'file too large' error. Does anyone know if there is a simple work around for this (other than not using the tar ;-) | 16:39 |
| disq | it might be related to the filesystem | 16:42 |
| disq | ie some don't allow files over 2gigs | 16:42 |
| disq | or it might be related to binutils | 16:42 |
| pyhimys | RobHu: split it with an another machine? | 16:42 |
| RobHu | disq: It's ext2 | 16:43 |
| pyhimys | then cat foo.tar.* | tar xf - | 16:43 |
| RobHu | ooh, that's a good idea | 16:43 |
| RobHu | I get | 16:44 |
| RobHu | cat: ../music.tar: File too large | 16:44 |
| RobHu | I can't use another system as I'm here at work and don't have sufficient control over my desktop | 16:44 |
| Handful__ | pyhimys : thanks =) | 16:44 |
| pyhimys | Handful__: you have mittens, don't you? | 16:45 |
| ||cw | was the n800's libc compiled with large file support? | 16:45 |
| ||cw | I'm guessing not given the target market | 16:46 |
| Handful__ | yes =) of course! | 16:46 |
| pyhimys | hmm, does n800 have head or tail? | 16:46 |
| disq | mmm, large file support.. | 16:47 |
| disq | pyhimys: it has both | 16:47 |
| RobHu | Yes | 16:47 |
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| RobHu | What are your head / tail thoughts? | 16:47 |
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| pyhimys | wc -l foo.tar | 16:48 |
| pyhimys | dunno if it can be done though | 16:48 |
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| ||cw | RobHu: just curious, where are doing this at? isn't a SD card only 4 gig max? | 16:49 |
| pyhimys | then you have how many lines the tar-file has | 16:49 |
| disq | that would be painfully slow | 16:50 |
| RobHu | ||cw: Nope. I have a 8GB one here. | 16:50 |
| RobHu | I have a 8GB and a 1GB card in my N800 | 16:50 |
| ||cw | nice | 16:50 |
| disq | i only have a 2gb. using two cards increase battery usage | 16:50 |
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| ||cw | disq: yeah, that's was one benifit of the rs-mmc, lower power draw, like half that of SD | 16:51 |
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| disq | i'm using my 2gig rsmmc :p | 16:51 |
| bergie | is there a bittorrent client for Maemo (bora) now? | 16:52 |
| disq | and currently my 770 doesn't have a memory card in, because now i only use it to test new builds of software | 16:52 |
| disq | there is a soulseek client.. well.. no, i guess. | 16:52 |
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| bergie | this looks promising but I can't find released software... http://www.flickr.com/photos/teemu/151726823/ | 16:53 |
| bergie | and there is this, but OS2006... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/ctorrent/ | 16:54 |
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| ||cw | doesn't a lot of 2006 stuff work on newer releases as well? | 16:55 |
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| bstock_ | RobHu, did you ever get a chance to try out the raid0 thing? | 16:56 |
| tigert | bergie: try it | 16:56 |
| tigert | at least maemo mapper worked | 16:56 |
| RobHu | bstock_: sadly no :/ | 16:58 |
| disq | bergie: looks nice | 16:58 |
| RobHu | I don't actually get any free time at home until friday | 16:58 |
| bergie | ctorrent deb doesn't install on OS2007 | 16:58 |
| RobHu | So I'm doomed over this 3GB tar basically? | 16:58 |
| bergie | oh well, would've been nice to try getting a movie from publicdomaintorrents | 16:59 |
| bstock_ | you could split it | 16:59 |
| RobHu | bstock_: What do you mean? | 16:59 |
| bstock_ | if you're running linux on your desktop, you can use the split command to split up a file into multiple parts | 17:00 |
| RobHu | Tar won't work on a split tar file though will it? | 17:01 |
| RobHu | Anyway, I don't have control over my desktop here. | 17:01 |
| RobHu | I'd have to download the file to my desktop, alter it, then upload it, then download it to my n800 | 17:01 |
| RobHu | Given that all of this would have to happen over the network too (they're on different networks) this doesnt seem feasible | 17:01 |
| RobHu | I was hoping there would be some way of persuading tar to work with the file through some clever magic | 17:01 |
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| MDK | does extras upload queue try to build package from sources | 17:03 |
| MDK | ? | 17:03 |
| pyhimys | RobHu: well, you could try to split it using head/tail | 17:03 |
| pyhimys | RobHu: but it could be filesystem issue | 17:03 |
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| ||cw | "file too large" is a libc LFS issue not just a file system issue | 17:05 |
| disq | Jaffa: now, if only mud cached the downloaded files somewhere :p | 17:05 |
| part | mdk: afaik no | 17:07 |
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| disq | MDK: no | 17:07 |
| * lardman hates debian 'rules' | 17:08 | |
| part | lardman: what, you got the NIH syndrome? | 17:09 |
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| lardman | NIH? | 17:09 |
| part | not invented here | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | disq: it's in the TODO; feel free to submit a patch ;-) | 17:10 |
| lardman | I just find them rather confusing, certainly when compared with bitbake .bb recipes | 17:10 |
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| lardman | I've also done my fair share of cursing apt-get and dpkg this afternoon ;) | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | MDK: no, it doesn't; best you'd get is MUD and, hopefully, maddler's build server he's building for it. | 17:10 |
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| part | lardman: it's a makefile | 17:11 |
| lardman | part: But it generally calls things from here there and everywhere | 17:11 |
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| part | lardman: mostly from build-essential, and if not there, then there's a build-dependency | 17:12 |
| keesj | how do I remove each trace of canola (is the metalayer-crawler part of canola? | 17:12 |
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| part | keesj: flash again? :) | 17:12 |
| keesj | I never flased my n800! | 17:13 |
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| lardman | part: I'm just suffering from annoyances - octave builds using configure & make, but dpkg-buildpackage somehow screws up the LD_LIBRARY_PATH; fltk refuses to build using dpkg-buildpackage; Mesa assumes that you want to build all sorts of x86 rubbish, etc. | 17:13 |
| keesj | the crawler just shouw run with less priority it renders my systemunusable | 17:13 |
| keesj | I had the same problems with the 770. | 17:14 |
| lardman | Are things like debhelper available in the maemo repo? | 17:16 |
| lardman | Or does it come with v5 installed....hmm? | 17:16 |
| keesj | for realy security I guess you need something like the java sandox, apparmor? | 17:16 |
| disq | wow.. building mpd via mud. hope it works | 17:18 |
| disq | keesj: were you able to test libmad, how's the cpu usage? | 17:18 |
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| keesj | I only ran top while the system was idle (a few minutes after booting) | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | keesj: I think metalayer-crawler is part of the standard n800 image | 17:20 |
| keesj | Ok thanks , makes me wonder. do you feel like I am bashing canola? | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: even if you don't use mud, you might want to look at the number of hacks it does to get existing debian packages compiling for Maemo | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | (e.g. debian/compat, debhelper versions etc.) | 17:32 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I think I will take a look at MUD when I get home this evening | 17:39 |
| lardman | atm I'm looking at having to manually package about 1/2 the deps for giac/xcas, which sounds like a pita | 17:39 |
| lardman | and those that did build, have probably got the wrong deps anyway as they all need the -d flag to ignore the random bits that I don't have in scratchbox | 17:40 |
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| keesj | lardman: what toolkit does is use? | 17:45 |
| keesj | is = it | 17:45 |
| lardman | fltk | 17:46 |
| keesj | what resolution whould I expect from the webcam? | 17:46 |
| lardman | and it (giac/xcas) needs openGL | 17:46 |
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| keesj | lardman: and you want to run mesa or tinygl? | 17:47 |
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| lardman | Yes, mesa - tinygl doesn't have the required functions, though it builds fine. As does Mesa for that matter | 17:47 |
| keesj | what resolution can I expect from the cam vga = 640x480? is the rgb or yuv? | 17:48 |
| lardman | someone posted some specs to the dev ml | 17:48 |
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| * lardman needs to work out which of the 6 or so Mesa packages that the debian config trys to build are actually needed | 17:50 | |
| lardman | Jaffa: Is there a way, with MUD, to specify extra CFLAGS, or does this need to be done by patching? | 17:51 |
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| keesj | lardman|afk: there is a build-env check the mud package format documentation | 17:54 |
| keesj | this one http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/index.php?id=packageformat it's called <env> | 17:54 |
| keesj | but I did not yet have to use it , I would like c flags and such to be configured somewhere else | 17:55 |
| keesj | so we can build thumd and normal binaries | 17:55 |
| hs` | Hi, could anyone please point me to where handling of dial-up happens in the 770? I can't dial-up through the phone from a laptop and I'd like to grab the config from the 770 (which works). | 17:55 |
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| keesj | thumb | 17:57 |
| Guardian | hmm | 17:58 |
| Guardian | from, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt "$ sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh" you do it and you get "E: This script should NOT be run as user root" | 17:59 |
| Guardian | how to report that efficiently (without opening a bug on the public bugzilla that nobody will ever read) | 17:59 |
| Guardian | ? | 17:59 |
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| c0ffee | by opening a bug in the public bugzilla that will be read | 18:01 |
| Guardian | unfortunately i'm afraid it won't | 18:02 |
| c0ffee | then keep the bug a secret | 18:02 |
| c0ffee | if everybody has this attitude, we can stop the whole bug reporting thing | 18:02 |
| Guardian | i already tried to open bugs, and already mentioned that any sign of life from nokia/maemo would just have been basic politeness | 18:02 |
| Guardian | and about THIS attitude, please consider i'm offering to take the necessary time to report this small error in a detailed way, i just don't want to send it to bugs@blackhole.com | 18:04 |
| keesj | Guardian: I had the same problem I thing you need to add the path component to make it work | 18:04 |
| Guardian | keesj: the install script, well launching it without sudo just seems to work | 18:05 |
| keesj | Guadrian http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/install_3.txt | 18:05 |
| c0ffee | if you stop to use the bugzilla, it won't improve the situation | 18:05 |
| c0ffee | because then you can't even complain for nobody reading your bugs | 18:06 |
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| Guardian | keesj: strange, i just launched it as user and at the moment it's unpacking rootstraps | 18:07 |
| disq | keesj: btw most of the webcam questions you asked in the list are already answered there somewhere, i suggest you run a search :) | 18:08 |
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| keesj | and don't file it in the installer but sdk->installler :p | 18:09 |
| bergie | cool, Canola seems to work very nicely with TwonkyMediaServer | 18:10 |
| keesj | disq: I did try , I tryed my google mail since the maemo list is not searchable , I tried google emgaget nokia.com/n800 maemofr.org nokia770.com | 18:10 |
| disq | lemme find some threads for you :) | 18:11 |
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| Guardian | hmm | 18:13 |
| Guardian | i just reinstalled everything using the install scripts | 18:13 |
| Guardian | and under scratchbox, osso input method is not working/enabled | 18:14 |
| Guardian | i have no virtual keyboard, thus i can't test the hildon im plugin | 18:14 |
| Guardian | any idea please ? | 18:14 |
| disq | any ideas why mud would hang doing "/scratchbox/tools/bin/chown -R -f 0:0 gdb-6.4.90.dfsg.orig.tmp-nest/gdb-6.4.90.dfsg.orig"? it's been 15 minutes or so | 18:14 |
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| keesj | Camera is vga. So that means 640 x 480! | 18:18 |
| Guardian | can you use the virtual keyboard from scratchbox ? | 18:18 |
| disq | i sometimes have problems with it, though not sure when | 18:19 |
| disq | let me try | 18:19 |
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| disq | Guardian: it works, but enter won't work. neither on the vkb nor the real one | 18:21 |
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| Guardian | hmm | 18:22 |
| Guardian | here it does not work | 18:22 |
| Guardian | and right clicking a text widget, and looking at the input methods list does not show any OSSO input method entry | 18:22 |
| disq | also here af-sb-init.sh stop won't kill all the processes | 18:23 |
| disq | i have to kill a few manually | 18:23 |
| disq | (arm target) | 18:23 |
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| Guardian | disq: whatever the target i selec, x86 or armel, i just don't have the hildon input method sdk :( even after a fresh install | 18:31 |
| keesj | disq: it used to work on the old targets ,perhaps you need the maemo-explicit thing? | 18:32 |
| disq | Guardian: i meant, i didn't try the x86 target, i rarely use it | 18:32 |
| Guardian | ok | 18:33 |
| Guardian | well :( don't know what to try next | 18:33 |
| keesj | here is the proof that it once worked http://www.keesj.dds.nl/n770/ruby/wxruby/textctrl_23_08_2006.mpeg | 18:35 |
| Guardian | i tried to browse the dev mailing list archive without success | 18:35 |
| Molagi | hmm what is a good media server for media streamer? | 18:35 |
| Molagi | n800 media streamer | 18:35 |
| disq | i use windows media connect, works for me | 18:35 |
| Molagi | is it only for winxp? | 18:35 |
| Molagi | im using windows 2000 pro | 18:36 |
| disq | dunno | 18:36 |
| kkito | did someone try to compile and run firefox on the n800? | 18:36 |
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| disq | yeah, somebody compiled a second x server, and ran firefox and other stuff there, connecting to it (locally) via vncviewer | 18:37 |
| Guardian | ouch | 18:37 |
| Molagi | damn its only for windowsXP | 18:37 |
| Molagi | :( | 18:37 |
| Guardian | firefox can't open a page in less than 30Mb on a desktop | 18:37 |
| Guardian | and you want to use it on the tablet :) | 18:37 |
| lardman | keesj: Thanks, will take a look | 18:37 |
| disq | Molagi: afaik FUPPES works, though can't be sure | 18:38 |
| Molagi | hmm | 18:38 |
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| Molagi | do i need canola for it? | 18:39 |
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| disq | no | 18:40 |
| matt_c | ushare works great for media streamer too | 18:41 |
| Molagi | hmm | 18:41 |
| Molagi | gotta try it | 18:41 |
| Molagi | im installing that FUPPES now | 18:41 |
| matt_c | IIRC ushare also worked with Canola, but Itunes 7.0.2 did not | 18:41 |
| matt_c | (there should be a ticket for that) | 18:41 |
| Molagi | hmm | 18:42 |
| Molagi | that fuppes is pretty strange | 18:42 |
| Molagi | theres no UI | 18:42 |
| matt_c | Molagi: there more servers than clients. For ushare you just point it to a directory for your media at the commandline and it does the rest. I think FUPPES is the same. | 18:43 |
| lardman | Anyone here with a maemo 2.1/2.2 scratchbox in front of them? | 18:44 |
| Molagi | hmm | 18:44 |
| Molagi | ok | 18:44 |
| kpenrose | anyone know where the settings for things like phones etc. are kept? I want to edit one manually to use pulse for connecting to a blackberry | 18:44 |
| Molagi | oh yeah i got it working | 18:50 |
| Molagi | ty | 18:50 |
| lardman | I'm confused, using my 2.1 scratchbox/toolchain, I have g77 available, but it's not in the same location as the other toolchain components. g77 isn't in the bora scratchbox/toolchain. I'd like to work out whether I installed it myself | 18:50 |
| dev | Molagi: do you want to try Coherence? https://coherence.beebits.net/wiki | 18:53 |
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| Molagi | ok | 18:54 |
| dev | both the server and the mediarenderer backends work with Media Streamer | 18:54 |
| dev | some issues with the MediaRenderer are still open | 18:55 |
| cosmo_ | anyone familiar with gnome-vfs? | 18:56 |
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| inz | cosmo, what of it? | 19:00 |
| cosmo_ | i'm trying to learn it, sorry for stupid question.. but how do i list files in a directory? | 19:00 |
| cosmo_ | gnome_vfs_directory_visit_files? | 19:00 |
| cosmo_ | or maybe gnome_vfs_directory_list_load? | 19:02 |
| inz | while (gnome_vfs_directory_read_next(dir, &file) == GNOME_VFS_OK) would be my guess | 19:03 |
| inz | But list_load works too | 19:03 |
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| inz | I think, the documentation isn't the best ;) | 19:04 |
| cosmo_ | thanks | 19:04 |
| cosmo_ | i agree on the documentation | 19:05 |
| cosmo_ | i found only one short tutorial about gnome-vfs | 19:05 |
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| tko | inz, do you have a screenshot of maemo-blog yet? I'm not touching any GUI thing that doesn't have screenshots :-P | 19:16 |
| inz | tko, you would touch it even less, if you saw screenshots | 19:16 |
| tko | uhh | 19:17 |
| konfoo | heh | 19:17 |
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| inz | tko, see tigert's pretty mockups: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoBlog/UserInterfaceSketches | 19:19 |
| inz | tko, they're not how the app looks like though ;) | 19:19 |
| inz | (yet) | 19:19 |
| tko | inz, exactly | 19:20 |
| tko | I've seen blue sky ideas, but where's the current UI?! | 19:20 |
| inz | tko, in the stone ages | 19:20 |
| tko | maybe I should start kicking out all GUI apps without screenshots from the application catalogs :) | 19:20 |
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| lardman | no-one has an old scratchbox they can try typing 'g77' into? | 19:21 |
| tko | if g77 exists in sbox then it's even more scary than I originally thought | 19:22 |
| tko | lardman, define 'old' ? | 19:22 |
| matt_c | ./configure --please-don't-check-to-see-if-I-have-g77 | 19:23 |
| lardman | for maemo 2.1 | 19:23 |
| lardman | tko: It exists in my one | 19:23 |
| tko | matt_c, you mean g77 or the ten different variants? :) | 19:23 |
| lardman | ah, but they're all called f77 ;) | 19:23 |
| lardman | or indeed maemo 2.0, as they all use the same toolchain tarball | 19:24 |
| lardman | iirc | 19:24 |
| tko | but it seems g77 comes elsewhere .. no idea why | 19:25 |
| lardman | so you have it too? | 19:25 |
| tko | I have a big mess of sbox installation, but the tools are from 2.0 era | 19:25 |
| tko | /usr/bin/g77 | 19:25 |
| lardman | yep | 19:25 |
| tko | g77-3.4 package etc | 19:25 |
| lardman | not in the same location as the main gcc install | 19:26 |
| tko | maybe it's there just to make configure script run faster? :) | 19:26 |
| lardman | no, it does work, Octave certainly compiles | 19:26 |
| lardman | It's just missing from the bora scratchbox/toolchain setup | 19:26 |
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| lardman | Off home to see whether I can copy g77 to the bora setup, and look at mud | 19:29 |
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| konfoo | kees are you here | 19:47 |
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| cosmo_ | inz: do you know any good gnome developer irc channel? | 19:50 |
| disq | cosmo_: they probably won't help you, try the mailing list archives, or if not, posting to a mailing list | 19:50 |
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| tko | hmm, no one seems to have found sardine-developers list yet | 19:51 |
| tko | cosmo_, #gnome-hackers on gimpnet | 19:51 |
| tko | cosmo_, or if it's gtk then #gtk+ | 19:52 |
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| b0unc3 | there is any way to make an hildon-window transparent ? | 19:54 |
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| BCOW | hi ppl | 19:54 |
| BCOW | im in a bit of "trouble" :D after updating canola i got my device in a weird state.. weird meaning that everything works well (os and kernel) but nothing can be seen from the screen | 19:55 |
| BCOW | only some mild variations of colors | 19:55 |
| tko | b0unc3, you can think of it as GtkWindow and go from there | 19:55 |
| BCOW | i tryed reflashing my 770 but it wont fix the problem | 19:56 |
| BCOW | ideas? =) | 19:56 |
| BCOW | im fresh out :D | 19:56 |
| ||cw | classic bad screen issue? | 19:57 |
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| BCOW | ||cw: wouldnt know.. never happened before | 19:58 |
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| BCOW | to me atleast | 19:58 |
| BCOW | so all information and fixes are greatly appreciated | 19:58 |
| b0unc3 | tko: I do that. But the same transparent GtkWindow, that work fine on my linux desktop, don't work on nokia :-( | 19:58 |
| ||cw | happened to quite a few devices when it was first released, usualy after 3-4 reboots | 19:58 |
| ||cw | the "fix" was to send it to nokia for warentee repair | 19:58 |
| BCOW | great :D | 19:58 |
| BCOW | so just pack the thing in a box with a lots of fluffy and soft stuff and post it back to nokia, argh.. | 20:00 |
| Whiz | "no more pr0n at the toilet of my workplace" | 20:00 |
| BCOW | :D | 20:01 |
| tko | b0unc3, and how are you trying to make the window transparent? | 20:01 |
| BCOW | ||cw: its kinda obvius it needs to be a hardware issue since the bootldr wont even show up.. | 20:02 |
| BCOW | ||cw: but mayby i just package the thing up then and post it to Nokia.. | 20:03 |
| Whiz | you wont last a day.. tomorrow I see you ordering a n800 :) | 20:03 |
| BCOW | :D | 20:04 |
| BCOW | no prob | 20:04 |
| BCOW | Whiz: you told me about canolas new version day before yesterday? ... i just remembered the damn thing today ;D | 20:04 |
| Whiz | :) kjiah | 20:04 |
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| BCOW | ||cw: any idea will the authorized nokia repair shops take these in or do i really need to ship this somewhere and see how postal service misplaces the package for the next decade. | 20:05 |
| b0unc3 | tko: with the use of pixmap and the gtk_widget_shape_combine_mask method | 20:06 |
| Whiz | buy an insurance for the package? | 20:08 |
| BCOW | yeah .. i have to pay THEM the money THEY are going to pay ME when THEY loose the package. :D whats the point? :D | 20:08 |
| Whiz | but YOU broke the damn thing :D | 20:08 |
| BCOW | no i didnt :D | 20:08 |
| BCOW | the small hairy hands in a some german assembly plant did | 20:09 |
| Whiz | yeah yeah :D | 20:09 |
| tko | b0unc3, interesting. other than matchbox doing something funny I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work | 20:09 |
| BCOW | or the injuneer who designed the damn thing in a first place did | 20:09 |
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| ||cw | BCOW: don't know, there's no show anywhere near me | 20:14 |
| ||cw | shop^ | 20:14 |
| BCOW | ok | 20:15 |
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| b0unc3 | tko: but you have nerver succesfully used some transparent window on nokia ? | 20:17 |
| tko | b0unc3, depending on the theme the menus are slightly transparent (rounded corners) | 20:18 |
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| b0unc3 | tko: which theme do that ? | 20:24 |
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| tko | b0unc3, plankton does, and possibly all the non-default themes | 20:32 |
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| b0unc3 | tko: interesting, I'll try plankton theme. | 20:36 |
| tigert | tko: also the OS2006 theme had rounded menu corners on 770 | 20:36 |
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| neal | osso_initialize is failing for my application. Any tips for getting more verbose output? The tutorial just fails in this case. | 20:38 |
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| tigert | ls | 20:38 |
| tigert | oops :) | 20:38 |
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| florian | hi all | 20:56 |
| myren | hey | 20:56 |
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| lardman | evening all | 21:01 |
| lardman | Anyone got latex to work inside scratchbox? | 21:01 |
| lardman | mine moans about missing latex.fmt | 21:02 |
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| tigert | maybe scratchbox has latex allergy? :) | 21:08 |
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| saerdnaer | hi | 21:10 |
| saerdnaer | does the bootmenu also work for initfs 3.2006 ? | 21:10 |
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| svu_ | How could I ask maemo-mapper for directions to some particular place (so it would tell directions me using flite)? It is not evident from UI | 21:19 |
| Pio | route -> download iirc | 21:20 |
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| svu_ | Pio, download .... from where? | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | there's a cgi script on gnuite's web server that asks google for directions and converts them to the format maemo-mapper wants | 21:23 |
| koen | svu_: route -> download | 21:24 |
| koen | svu_: or tap&hold on the place you want to go | 21:24 |
| koen | (took me a while to figure that out) | 21:24 |
| svu_ | koen, thank, I'll try | 21:24 |
| svu_ | something has to be done, usability-wise | 21:24 |
| lardman | tigert: You may be right ;) | 21:28 |
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| lardman | tigert: certainly making me allergic to packages that expect documentation to be built! | 21:28 |
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| tigert | :) | 21:39 |
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| * pahartik does have "gcc 4:3.4.4-7osso2", "libc6-dev 2.3.5cs2005q3.2-4osso18" and "kernel-source-2.6.16 2.6.16.rel-osso29" available in "Application manager" of Maemo 2.2... Are they up-to-date for building latest Linux kernel image? | 22:12 | |
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| cosmo_ | inz & others thanks for hints, i coded my first gnome app today ;) | 22:28 |
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| maddler | re | 22:31 |
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| lardman | Messing about with mud, how is build > env used? | 22:38 |
| lardman | or rather <build><env> | 22:39 |
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| lardman | I tried setting CFLAGS in there, but it doesn't appear to have carried through | 22:41 |
| lardman | Other than that, it looks very useful (doesn't seem to pick up the description for some reason though) | 22:42 |
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| inz | cosmo_, congrats ;) | 22:53 |
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| MDK | hmm, anybody has a clue how to access the extras config in garage? | 22:56 |
| MDK | I need to update my ssh key | 22:57 |
| maddler | MDK: lemme see... | 22:58 |
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| MDK | I remember it was somewhere... | 23:00 |
| maddler | there should be a link in the invitation email... | 23:01 |
| maddler | but can't find it... | 23:01 |
| MDK | the link leads (now) to "you have no contributions" page | 23:03 |
| disq | yeah you have ask ferenc to reset it, then you'll receive the invitation again | 23:06 |
| maddler | hmmm... I was pretty sure I changed it... hmmm | 23:06 |
| disq | that's what i did before. couldn't find it myself either | 23:06 |
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| MDK | actually, I'm not really sure why it doesn't work | 23:06 |
| maddler | no... true... I wasn't able to use my first non-rsa key... | 23:07 |
| MDK | I think I put the right ssh key there | 23:07 |
| MDK | but somehow I get permission denied | 23:07 |
| disq | hmm | 23:07 |
| disq | my pgp key was bad the first time. apparently pgp8win32's version string was too long, had to shorten it | 23:07 |
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| MDK | koen: I released nflick 0.4.0, it has fullscreen hw-keys navigation | 23:14 |
| koen | MDK: cool | 23:15 |
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| koen | MDK: my nXXX's are at the bottom of my bag, so I'll install it at fosdem :) | 23:16 |
| * pahartik installs packages in order to attempt building custom Linux kernel image on Nokia 770 | 23:16 | |
| koen | MDK: any .debs yet? | 23:17 |
| MDK | koen: ah, so you're coming too? Cool, let's meet there. | 23:17 |
| MDK | koen: in garage for bora and scirocco | 23:17 |
| * koen downloads | 23:18 | |
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| Sulis | can i rearrange where the programs are listed in the little...prgram listy thing...? | 23:20 |
| Pio | yeah | 23:20 |
| Pio | control panel -> task navigator -> organiz | 23:20 |
| Pio | or something to that effect | 23:20 |
| Sulis | ahh, thanks | 23:21 |
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