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| sp3000 | also there's the issue of finding the nail for that hammer | 00:00 |
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| Guard][an | finding the nail for that hammer ? | 00:03 |
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| sp3000 | I mean I don't see the problem in this case :) | 00:10 |
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| Tril | hey guys, been workin on settin up the new version of canola. keeps asking me for admin password, then loops back to the same page. won't work when i remote in either | 00:21 |
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| Tak | are you entering the correct password? ;-) | 00:22 |
| Lawlerskates | mmm | 00:22 |
| Tril | wouldn't work after a fresh install | 00:22 |
| Tril | just keeps headin back to same screen | 00:22 |
| Tak | did you have canola before this? | 00:22 |
| Tril | an older version, but never had to use the web config before | 00:23 |
| Tril | so might be an old password on there eh? anyone know how to reset em | 00:23 |
| Tak | try moving (or removing) ~/.canola, removing both packages, reinstalling, and restarting | 00:23 |
| Tril | cool | 00:23 |
| Tak | I experienced some weirdness when going from the older version to one of the beta2 versions | 00:24 |
| Tril | yea the older version worked perfect, this one wont even recognize any of my media | 00:24 |
| Tak | (by the time I suspected it wasn't my problem, it was too late to document anything) | 00:24 |
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| Glj12 | hallo | 00:24 |
| Glj12 | am i now "authed"? | 00:25 |
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| Glj12 | hmm | 00:25 |
| Glj12 | is there a vpn client that actually works with the nokia 770? | 00:25 |
| Pio | openvpn | 00:26 |
| Tak | supposedly vpnc does, but the gui at least doesn't work for me | 00:26 |
| Glj12 | me neither | 00:26 |
| Pio | i got openvpn working with little hassle | 00:26 |
| Glj12 | i didnt think openvpn was a cleint | 00:26 |
| Pio | its a server and client | 00:26 |
| Glj12 | i got openvpn, but idk how to use it as a client | 00:26 |
| Glj12 | ah, ok | 00:26 |
| Pio | it only connects to itself | 00:27 |
| Glj12 | lol | 00:27 |
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| Pio | its not able to connect to a cisco or netscreen or whatever proprietary vpn | 00:27 |
| Glj12 | so i cant use it to connect to my college vpn | 00:27 |
| Glj12 | ok | 00:27 |
| Tril | Tak to completely remove canola, do i need to use xterm? and command line remove | 00:27 |
| Pio | nope | 00:27 |
| Glj12 | hmm | 00:27 |
| Glj12 | umm.... vpnc is lame, i dont really get what my ID or ID "secret" might be | 00:27 |
| Glj12 | i leave it blank, but it just sits there and does nothing | 00:27 |
| Tak | I suggest renaming /home/user/.canola using xterm | 00:27 |
| Tril | gotcha | 00:28 |
| Tril | thanks | 00:28 |
| Glj12 | So, basically... no vpn. Awesome. | 00:28 |
| Glj12 | how about an ssh that installs? | 00:28 |
| Glj12 | i did the red pill mode, selected install, but apparently i dont have some random libzo package | 00:29 |
| Tak | you don't have an id/password for your vpn account? | 00:29 |
| Glj12 | i do | 00:29 |
| Glj12 | but thats a seperate field | 00:29 |
| Glj12 | im talking about the gateway id, as opposed to username and password | 00:30 |
| Tak | ah | 00:30 |
| Glj12 | what is that? | 00:30 |
| Tak | mine was provided to me with my vpn instructions | 00:30 |
| Glj12 | do you connect to a university vpn, or work? | 00:31 |
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| Tak | both ;-) | 00:31 |
| Glj12 | ha | 00:31 |
| Glj12 | usa? | 00:31 |
| Tak | yeah | 00:31 |
| Glj12 | i go to IU, so i mean, its only vpn. i go to vpn.blah blah address here... and it says cisco concentrator 3000 | 00:31 |
| Tak | I guess it's marked as "Group Authentication" info in other clients? | 00:32 |
| Glj12 | thats specifically for this vpnc, right? | 00:32 |
| Glj12 | humm... | 00:32 |
| Glj12 | maybe, can't remember. im used to leaving that blank | 00:32 |
| Tak | see if yours has instructions for macs? they usually contain a little more info | 00:33 |
| Glj12 | mind if i ask what college you attend? | 00:33 |
| Glj12 | see if i can compare | 00:33 |
| Tak | I don't | 00:33 |
| Tak | I work for one | 00:33 |
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| Glj12 | ah, k | 00:34 |
| Tak | https://www.ttuhsc.edu/it/helpdesk/vpn/documents/mac_os_x_clients.pdf is the doc for mine | 00:34 |
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| Glj12 | lol, forgot to install pdf | 00:34 |
| Glj12 | http://uits.iu.edu/scripts/ose.cgi?ajrq.def.help | 00:35 |
| Glj12 | wow, they give nix instructions | 00:35 |
| Glj12 | lol | 00:35 |
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| Tak | eww pptp | 00:35 |
| Glj12 | lol | 00:37 |
| Glj12 | yeah | 00:37 |
| maddler | any clue for N800 ftp client? | 00:38 |
| Tak | I'm not sure if anyone's got pptp working on the ITs | 00:38 |
| Glj12 | so vpnc wont work i guess? but look here, whats this? vpn.ius.edu | 00:38 |
| Glj12 | if you put it in your browser | 00:38 |
| Glj12 | doesnt that mean my vpnc client can work with it? | 00:38 |
| * Tak shrugs | 00:38 | |
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| Tak | it looks like your IPSec secret needs to be "hermanbwells" | 00:40 |
| Glj12 | i saw that, yeah | 00:41 |
| Glj12 | trying it now | 00:41 |
| Glj12 | too bad vpnc just sits there telling me to be patient while doing nothing | 00:41 |
| Glj12 | then what would the group be, the domain that i see when logging in on a winbox? | 00:42 |
| Tak | according to the instructions it doesn't care | 00:42 |
| Glj12 | hmmmm | 00:43 |
| Glj12 | bahhhhhh | 00:44 |
| Glj12 | do you think a standard vpn client will ever come to the 770? | 00:46 |
| Tak | standard? | 00:46 |
| Tak | vpnc and openvpn are standard for gnu/linux | 00:46 |
| Glj12 | erm, as opposed to only cisco | 00:46 |
| Glj12 | vpnc = only cisco, right? | 00:46 |
| Glj12 | oh wait, i actually got it to say something else... it states, (after i put ADS and hermanbwells as the secret) hash comparison failed: AUTHENTICATION_FAILED | 00:49 |
| Glj12 | check group password! | 00:49 |
| Glj12 | so hmmz | 00:49 |
| Tak | killer | 00:50 |
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| Glj12 | i'll try to find out a bloomington domain | 00:53 |
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| tomboh | blurgh, ignore that.. | 00:58 |
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| bmidgley | my n800 has real trouble playing dvd rips that work fine on my 770 | 01:27 |
| bmidgley | anyone else seeing this? | 01:28 |
| Milhouse | there's a N800 bug about videos pausing | 01:28 |
| bmidgley | video stops at random and player is unresponsive | 01:28 |
| Milhouse | that sounds familiar... ;) | 01:28 |
| bmidgley | even just playing start to finish without pausing won't work | 01:28 |
| Milhouse | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=991 | 01:29 |
| bmidgley | yep that would be it | 01:30 |
| bmidgley | this is the one thing that i've lost going from 770 to n800 | 01:31 |
| Milhouse | have you seen Ari Jaaksi's N800 roadmap? | 01:32 |
| Milhouse | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/02/high-level-roadmap.html | 01:33 |
| Milhouse | hopefully better video coming soon.. | 01:33 |
| dieguito | nokia store is dead? | 01:35 |
| dieguito | at least the europe/spanish one | 01:35 |
| Milhouse | The UK shop is up - but nothing available to buy (eg. N800 Case...) | 01:36 |
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| l7_ | http://www.kallisys.com/newton/einstein/ | 01:41 |
| l7_ | this looks like a really cool project | 01:41 |
| l7_ | http://homepage.mac.com/dillera/PhotoAlbum6.html | 01:41 |
| l7_ | newton OS emulated on the 770 | 01:41 |
| l7_ | any idea if an n800 version is coming? | 01:42 |
| maddler | l7_: not afaik... | 01:43 |
| maddler | time to hit the bed! | 01:43 |
| l7_ | too bad | 01:43 |
| * l7_ wonders if the N800 could emulate the 770 | 01:43 | |
| bmidgley | Milhouse: yes Ari's blog does look interesting | 01:44 |
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| gpd | hmm. what can I buy with a BestBuy $200 voucher? | 02:12 |
| Milhouse | flash memory? | 02:14 |
| gpd | just bought all that from newegg.com :( | 02:15 |
| Milhouse | put it towards a PS3? (no idea what best buy sell - I'm in the UK...) | 02:15 |
| gpd | also leaving USA (hence this gift) - so large things are out | 02:15 |
| Milhouse | hmm that rules out a PS3 | 02:15 |
| gpd | I'm returning to the UK -- bestbuy is like dixons | 02:15 |
| gpd | A wii is tempting - but again NTSC problems | 02:16 |
| Milhouse | do they do those battery-pack rechargers with all the different device tips? | 02:16 |
| gpd | PSP is not a bad idea -- but games probably US only | 02:16 |
| Milhouse | Wii is region locked - you'd have to buy all your games from the US | 02:16 |
| b0unc3 | Hi, the camera of my n800, inverts image when rotated, is this an hw problem ? or sw ? | 02:16 |
| Milhouse | hw - return to Nokia for repair | 02:16 |
| b0unc3 | ;-( | 02:17 |
| gpd | Milhouse: an uber-battery would be a nice idea -- for the N800. not sure if they have those | 02:17 |
| Milhouse | bounc3 - check this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4351&highlight=rotate | 02:17 |
| gpd | Maybe a teeny external USB hard drive for the N800 once Host mode is available :) | 02:18 |
| Milhouse | gpd - not seen any uber batteries for the n800, i agree that would be great. there are battery rechargers though that can recharge your phone, n800 etc when you are away from a power socket | 02:18 |
| gpd | they have these battery packs that provide a cable for use with DV cameras -- if it had the right connector it could power the N800 | 02:19 |
| gpd | [i say they in the general sense] | 02:19 |
| Milhouse | one of these: http://www.theinquirer.org/default.aspx?article=36313 | 02:20 |
| Milhouse | Anyone tried OS 2007 on the 770? Seems pretty good | 02:21 |
| Milhouse | so far | 02:21 |
| Milhouse | media player doesn't do much | 02:21 |
| Milhouse | but browsing and rss are ok | 02:21 |
| Milhouse | (new OS 2007 on 770 released today) | 02:21 |
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| gpd | http://www.tekkeon.com/site/products-mypowerall.php | 02:22 |
| gpd | that was more the sort of thing i was thinking of - | 02:22 |
| Milhouse | same sort of concept i think | 02:23 |
| gpd | yes - just more juice i think | 02:23 |
| Milhouse | just a big arse battery and a load of device specific tips :) | 02:23 |
| dolfun | "Nobody on their deathbed said, 'I wish I'd spent more time with my computer.'" - Dani Bunten [author of M.U.L.E.] | 02:24 |
| gpd | anyway -- might as well wander down there and browse. | 02:24 |
| gpd | we are pretty sure about the PSP being region locked | 02:24 |
| Milhouse | PSP... for umd video it is, not for games | 02:24 |
| Milhouse | I've got a Jap one, plays UK games no problemo | 02:25 |
| Milhouse | Not that I use it nowadays... | 02:25 |
| Milhouse | Games aren't that good - although Ridge Racer is quite awesome/addictive in a pick up/put down kind of way | 02:25 |
| dolfun | Milhouse 2007! YAHYYAYY | 02:27 |
| dolfun | the 770 is my portable games device | 02:27 |
| gpd | what about the Nintendo DS? | 02:28 |
| Milhouse | Don't think that's region locked for games either - my niece/nephew have Jap units playing UK games | 02:28 |
| Milhouse | Good 'ol Lik Sang... | 02:28 |
| gpd | hmm. well maybe i should just buy Wii components and import them back to the UK | 02:29 |
| Milhouse | Games are more "fun" than PSP games by all accounts | 02:29 |
| gpd | is the Wii out yet in Blightly? | 02:29 |
| Milhouse | Yes, kind of | 02:29 |
| Milhouse | Short supply at the moment | 02:29 |
| gpd | same here i think | 02:29 |
| gpd | what about Bluetooth headset for the N800 -- am I right that they are not supported as yet? | 02:30 |
| Milhouse | My advice - they're fun in a group setup, not so much fun single player. Game control is a bit of a nightmare in some games - eg. Need for Speed where you twist the controller, it's almost impossible | 02:30 |
| Milhouse | gpd - not yet | 02:30 |
| gpd | I just sold my EyeToy for PS2 ;) -- same concept -- group was great | 02:31 |
| Milhouse | There's an article on the Register or Inquirer in the last few days, about Wii sales dropping off in Japan now that the initial hype is dying down - lack of good games, dodgey controls leading to drop in sales. Can't say I'm surprised, it does seem a bit of a fad (and I own one!) | 02:32 |
| gpd | bummer -- and there I was believing the hype :( | 02:32 |
| Milhouse | Inquirer: http://www.theinquirer.org/default.aspx?article=37732 | 02:32 |
| Milhouse | "Wii interest wanes" | 02:32 |
| Milhouse | How about flogging the voucher for $150 cash? :) | 02:33 |
| gpd | that is my next best bet ;) | 02:33 |
| gpd | after hanging around the store like a crazy person | 02:33 |
| Milhouse | Put it on eBay, maybe you can get more than $200! ;) | 02:33 |
| * gpd 'oi mate - you wanna buy a voucha... lovely jubly' | 02:34 | |
| jtra | hey, it seems that my translucent on screen keyboard for xterm works now - I will package it for curious, but it is a beta quality and it contains few bugs | 02:34 |
| Milhouse | got any screenshots to help me visualise this? | 02:35 |
| Milhouse | it sounds interesting, what does it offer that the standard vkb doesn't? | 02:35 |
| jtra | wait, I'm uploading screenshot | 02:36 |
| pbrook | I guess it means you get a full screenfull of text while you're typing. | 02:36 |
| pbrook | s/text/console/ | 02:36 |
| jtra | main feature is keys like alt, ctrl, F1..F12, PgDn and so on, and you can move it round the screen to a place where it does not obstruct view | 02:40 |
| Milhouse | cool | 02:40 |
| jtra | http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/xterm-translucent-beta.png | 02:41 |
| Milhouse | looks good! | 02:42 |
| Milhouse | (and I'm imortalised in png - yay!) | 02:43 |
| BrianRice | cool | 02:43 |
| Milhouse | any chance of a UK keyboard version? :) | 02:43 |
| jtra | Milhouse: no problem, you can redefine layout in python script and regenerate the image and key positions and codes | 02:46 |
| Pio | great idea, that | 02:46 |
| b0unc3 | jtra: cool! where I can get it ? | 02:49 |
| jtra | wait about 20 minutes, I will package it and prepare web page with information | 02:50 |
| b0unc3 | ok | 02:50 |
| Milhouse | you putting it on garage? | 02:51 |
| jtra | no, I don't have garage account, I will put it next to my other programs at http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/ | 02:52 |
| Pio | that shisen sho game looks kinda cool too :) | 02:55 |
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| pbrook | jtra: Where can I find teh source for the binaries on your site? | 02:57 |
| Milhouse | Is anyone else trying OS 2007 on 770? After all the noise would be a shame if people aren't interested. | 02:57 |
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| jtra | pbrook: openttd has source link on its page; my python games have python source inside .deb files | 03:02 |
| pbrook | jtra: Bah, that's a pain. The debs don't install on IT2007. | 03:04 |
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| BrianRice | Milhouse: i am but it's not a high priority yet | 03:05 |
| Milhouse | I've installed it - seems pretty good so far | 03:06 |
| BrianRice | cool | 03:06 |
| Milhouse | I'm just a bit concious that a lot of 770 owners made a song and dance about no 2007, and then the first version of 2007 on 770 seemed to fall on deaf ears :( | 03:07 |
| Milhouse | openssh and xterm for bora installed no problem | 03:07 |
| jtra | pbrook: I have only 770, so I don't know | 03:07 |
| Milhouse | yeah.. for those with only a 770 it may be tough to test :) | 03:08 |
| Milhouse | dual boot? | 03:08 |
| pbrook | You packages depend on python2.4, teh 800 has pythion2.5. | 03:08 |
| Milhouse | actually dual boot may not be an option | 03:08 |
| pbrook | My guess it they'd probably work if I could rebuild them. | 03:08 |
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| pbrook | jtra: I also don't have the osso-graphics-game-mahjong package. | 03:09 |
| jtra | pbrook: that one contains original mah jongg tiles | 03:09 |
| pbrook | jtra: Yeah, I figured that much... | 03:10 |
| jtra | pbrook: there was no indication under which licence they come so I decided to just depend on them without distributing them myself | 03:10 |
| pbrook | Where can I fing them? | 03:10 |
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| jtra | they are available in SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin OS Image, perhaps in others too, but I have not seen standalone .deb | 03:15 |
| pbrook | Oh, that explains why they're on the device by not in scratchbox. | 03:16 |
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| jtra | that was why I was also unsure about their license | 03:20 |
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| jtra | ok, it is here: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/xterm.html | 03:30 |
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| jtra | please report me any failures and successes with it - I will read them later, now I'm going to sleep | 03:44 |
| pbrook | Your vte sources don't build of maemo-3.0 | 03:45 |
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| pbrook | Goes into an infinitel loop at teh end of configure. | 03:46 |
| jtra | that sometimes happen for me too, but I'm not a autoconf/automake hacker | 03:47 |
| pbrook | Hmm, it seems to have decided to use block-n white, not white-on-black :-( | 03:48 |
| jtra | I remember that combination of plain make and fakeroot debian/rules binary was able to overcome that | 03:49 |
| jtra | pbrook: you can change that in menu | 03:49 |
| jtra | View->Reverse colors | 03:49 |
| pbrook | Ah yes. | 03:49 |
| jtra | it also defaults current directory to / which is strange, ~ would be better | 03:50 |
| pbrook | Also be nice if clicking on it didn't bring up the virtual keyboard :-) | 03:51 |
| jtra | pbrook: does it? it does not for me, I have taken care to switch this off | 03:52 |
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| pbrook | Yup. | 03:52 |
| jtra | on which OS you run that? | 03:52 |
| pbrook | Clinking on the buttos works as expected, but clocking on the terminal windows brings it up. | 03:52 |
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| pbrook | IT2007 (2.2006.51-6) | 03:53 |
| Markov | hey is there a software music player that i can use to create playlists and send/sync them with my tablet? | 03:53 |
| jtra | I have 2.2006.39 | 03:55 |
| pbrook | Uh, that's weird. I reinstalled the original osso-xerm and still have the keyboard overlay. | 03:55 |
| jtra | it is normal, the hack is inside libvte | 03:56 |
| jtra | xterm itself contains few changes like "do not popup menu" which were annoying with my feature | 03:57 |
| jtra | you need to reinstall libvte4 and libvte-common too | 03:58 |
| jtra | see you later; -> sleep | 04:01 |
| pbrook | Ok. The fonts are also a bit screwed up. It seems to be antialiased to be really dim instead of the nice clean, clear fonts the normal xterm uses. | 04:02 |
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| Markov | why does my contacts list not refresh properly | 04:17 |
| Markov | i see people online in my google talk account but no one shows up in the online contacts list | 04:17 |
| Markov | as in, i can see them on my pc but not on n800 | 04:21 |
| Robot101 | Markov: does it happen when you change networks? | 04:23 |
| Markov | Robot101: no... | 04:23 |
| Robot101 | when? you sign on and get nothing? | 04:23 |
| Markov | Robot101: i just tried disconnecting and reconnecting... | 04:23 |
| Markov | well, it's been idle all day | 04:23 |
| Markov | weird.. .they're showing up now | 04:24 |
| Markov | i guess i just have to disconnect from the network and reconnect | 04:24 |
| Markov | not so painful :) | 04:25 |
| Robot101 | that kinda sucks :( | 04:25 |
| Markov | heheh. yeah. i guess you don't have this problem. | 04:25 |
| Markov | ? | 04:25 |
| Robot101 | I've not seen it | 04:25 |
| Robot101 | and I'm the lead developer of the google talk backend :-O | 04:25 |
| Markov | heheheh | 04:26 |
| Markov | well i've come to the right place :) | 04:26 |
| Robot101 | not necessarily, other bits can fail and result in you getting no presence ;) | 04:26 |
| Robot101 | but that's really weird | 04:27 |
| Robot101 | does it happen reliably or did you just notice it now? | 04:27 |
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| Markov | no. it | 04:27 |
| Markov | 's happened before | 04:28 |
| Markov | there would be any problem with me being logged in somewhere else at the same time, right? | 04:28 |
| Robot101 | not unless its another N800/770 and a weird server bug was biting us | 04:29 |
| Robot101 | we have a fix for that in the next update | 04:29 |
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| Robot101 | thats why I asked about the different networks | 04:30 |
| Markov | heheh | 04:30 |
| Robot101 | if you sign on the N800 and then you get uncleanly disconnected, then come up on another network/IP and reconnect | 04:30 |
| Robot101 | the google server still thinks you're on the old IP | 04:30 |
| Robot101 | for quite a while | 04:30 |
| Markov | ah | 04:30 |
| Robot101 | and sends presence to the old you | 04:30 |
| Robot101 | so you don't see any contact info | 04:30 |
| Markov | that wouldn't be it. my n800 has been on one network all day | 04:31 |
| Robot101 | and no other devices/computers using telepathy? | 04:32 |
| Markov | i don't know what telepathy is | 04:33 |
| Robot101 | it's the IM backend stuff that the N800 uses | 04:33 |
| Robot101 | the stuff I work on | 04:33 |
| Robot101 | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org | 04:33 |
| Markov | nope. unless it's in gmail | 04:33 |
| Robot101 | nyet | 04:33 |
| Robot101 | hmm... | 04:33 |
| Robot101 | ok, how are you connected, wifi? | 04:33 |
| Markov | w/ n800 or at work? | 04:34 |
| Robot101 | the n800 | 04:34 |
| Markov | n800 == wifi; work == LAN | 04:34 |
| myren | what wifi chipset is in the n800? | 04:34 |
| Markov | i don't know heheheh | 04:34 |
| Robot101 | myren: some connexant thing | 04:37 |
| Markov | does anyone here use their tablet as an mp3 player? | 04:47 |
| Markov | if so, what pc software do you sue in tandem? | 04:47 |
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| hijakk | Hey all. I was wondering if anyone had a VMware or Virtual Machine image set up with a *nix distribution that had maemo development tools already installed? | 04:49 |
| Markov | hijakk: i do | 04:49 |
| Markov | hijakk: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 04:50 |
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| hijakk | Thanks! | 04:50 |
| Markov | yeppers | 04:50 |
| hijakk | I'm taking a computational linguistics class and the professor wants to see how many of the apps I could run on my n800 | 04:51 |
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| myren | heh good luck with that! | 04:54 |
| myren | do your signal decomposition on the dsp, | 04:54 |
| myren | maybe you'll have enough cpu left over to even THINK about the linguistics | 04:55 |
| hijakk | nah, no speech processing yet, lol. for the most part we're running apps like the collins parser, tgrep2, MXPOST, etc, on the Penn TreeBank Wall Street Journal corpus | 04:56 |
| hijakk | I figure I should be able to get collins and tgrep to compile OK | 04:57 |
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| myren | i want a digitizing pen i can stream live to my N800. | 05:01 |
| myren | that would fscking rule | 05:01 |
| myren | theres a bunch out there but i cant imagine any support linux | 05:01 |
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| Markov | why in god's name would you want to do comp linguistics on you rn800? :) | 05:13 |
| hijakk | Why else? Because it is there. | 05:14 |
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| gpd | Milhouse: I ended up getting a 160GB USB ultralight HDD :) | 06:04 |
| gpd | http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=262 | 06:04 |
| gpd | hopefully soon the N800 will support that as a drive :D | 06:05 |
| gpd | of course it will drain battery power like crazy so I"ll still need the external power | 06:05 |
| gpd | or it will just not work at all without external power and I'll have to use it as a draft excluder | 06:05 |
| gpd | Not bad for 105 grams though | 06:07 |
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| _TalonAWD | or if anyone is good with a programmer i got a socketed encrypted chip i need read | 06:07 |
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| konfoo | gpd: oh usb host on n800 works? :) | 07:39 |
| konfoo | tell me more :) | 07:39 |
| gpd | 20:04 gpd> hopefully soon | 07:41 |
| hijakk_food | It should eventually at least. There's that article on ITT talking about the USB power management chip. http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/02/07/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-chips-revealed/ | 07:43 |
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| tigert | morning i mean | 08:06 |
| tigert | or something | 08:07 |
| tigert | was wget packaged for os2007? | 08:07 |
| konfoo | i dunno.. u need a compile? | 08:12 |
| gpd | i compiled wget for os2007 iirc | 08:28 |
| gpd | http://www.grahamdavies.net/bora_debs/ <-- in there | 08:29 |
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| tigert | gpodder depends on it | 08:31 |
| tigert | it was on some repo even i think | 08:31 |
| tigert | since i had it before reflashing | 08:31 |
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| inz | morning | 08:38 |
| tigert | moro | 08:38 |
| tigert | its fscking -20°C here | 08:38 |
| tigert | the touchscreen is not designed for this i bet :) | 08:39 |
| inz | yeah, I was very lucky this morning, had to only wait ~½ minute when changing buses | 08:39 |
| zuh | s/sck/efresh/ ;) | 08:39 |
| tigert | it was way harderr to type :) | 08:40 |
| tigert | of course my hands operating limits were close too :) | 08:40 |
| zuh | duh, s/fsck/refresh/ | 08:40 |
| tigert | heh | 08:40 |
| zuh | My brains must've frozen when I cycled | 08:40 |
| inz | Gotta agree on that too, was quite tired when I woke up, but the minute I stepped out of the door... ;) | 08:41 |
| hijakk_food | I like living in Arizona now. It's 51°f right now | 08:41 |
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| inz | Uhh, irssi recode is nice, what we need next is a built in unit converter ;) | 08:41 |
| gpd | like a channel bot ;) | 08:42 |
| tigert | or brains ;) | 08:42 |
| inz | gpd, rather built in into the irc client, so that everyone would see the units they prefer | 08:42 |
| hijakk_food | Er, about 11C | 08:42 |
| gpd | ah - indeed, that would be very cool | 08:43 |
| inz | hijakk, yeah, google worked ;) | 08:43 |
| inz | Of course it would have it's fallbacks -- there are lots of things which are universally measured in weird units, like display sizes | 08:44 |
| inz | eh, s/fall/draw/ | 08:44 |
| inz | So we'd need a huge context table ;) | 08:45 |
| tigert | hmm. is libcanola something that can be used to build a gui menu thing or what? | 08:45 |
| * tigert wishes it was free | 08:45 | |
| hijakk_food | It would be pretty hard to tell if someone was talking about, say, capacitance. | 08:46 |
| tigert | inz, you mean you are 18.5 iPods tall and weigh 75 milk cartons? :) | 08:46 |
| part | tigert: full or empty milk cartons? | 08:47 |
| tigert | hhrm. out of the subway to te coldness again | 08:47 |
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| tigert | part, that depends on his weight :^) | 08:47 |
| hijakk_food | Where is everyone located? | 08:48 |
| gpd | !cnn 90024 | 08:48 |
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| gBot | gpd: The current temperature in Beverly Hills, CA is 54°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph (0 km/h). | 08:48 |
| zuh | tigert: It links to sqlite and dbus etc so maybe that's more on the backend side. libcanola-sdl sounds more like UI (but then again, it might be just the drawing stuff while the menu structure is somewhere else...) | 08:48 |
| Markov | !cnn 15222 | 08:49 |
| gBot | Markov: The current temperature in Pittsburgh, PA is 36°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Wind: N at 8 mph (13 km/h). | 08:49 |
| Markov | not bad at all | 08:50 |
| gpd | it does a bunch of stuff - but seems broken atm -- not used for a long time! | 08:50 |
| hijakk | !cnn 85712 | 08:50 |
| gBot | hijakk: The current temperature in Tucson, AZ is 50°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph (0 km/h). | 08:50 |
| zuh | Hmh, it would be good if it knew some human-readable units ;) | 08:50 |
| zuh | oh, there is km/h at least | 08:50 |
| Guard][an | morning :) | 08:52 |
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| Markov | they should display the time in that readout as well | 08:52 |
| Markov | heh | 08:52 |
| Markov | do any of you use your n800 for listening to mp3s? | 08:53 |
| Tak|770 | I would expect a us readout to use imperial units | 08:53 |
| Tak|770 | Markov: I do | 08:54 |
| Markov | Tak|770: what software do you use in tandem on you pc? | 08:54 |
| Markov | Tak|770: i've been using WMP11, but I try to avoid using ms products if i can... | 08:55 |
| Tak|770 | in tandem? | 08:55 |
| Markov | how do you get music/playlists on to your n800? | 08:55 |
| zuh | tigert: The canola seems to be built as a plugin system... I wonder how easy it would be to reverse-engineer the plugin API ;) | 08:56 |
| Tak|770 | I just dump music to the card[s] | 08:58 |
| Tak|770 | I mostly shuffle, so no playlists | 08:58 |
| Markov | how much music do you have? | 08:59 |
| Tak|770 | zuh: handful was saying they've been ok'd to release source (soon) | 08:59 |
| Markov | when will canola come out of beta? | 08:59 |
| Tak|770 | Markov: 2g at a time currently ;-) | 08:59 |
| zuh | Tak|770: Soon or "real soon now" ;) | 09:00 |
| Markov | Tak|770: heheheh. ditto | 09:00 |
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| Markov | windows media player 11 allows you to sync to the n800 via usb. it also has a upnp server buiilt in... | 09:01 |
| inz | If there's any users of nginx, I just upgraded it to 0.5.13 | 09:01 |
| Tak|770 | I use a card reader to dump music, or scp for small amounts | 09:04 |
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| MIkeB | Hello all: Anyone knows where to get openssh for the Nokia N800 ? The install link on maemo.org applications does not work. | 09:17 |
| tigert | zuh: checked out carman yet? | 09:22 |
| * tigert is thinking of a bluetooth-rs232 dongle | 09:22 | |
| sp3000 | MIkeB: it does claim to require red-pill mode, do you have that? | 09:23 |
| MIkeB | hello, anyone has installed openssh on a nokia n800 ? | 09:23 |
| tigert | MIkeB: all of us? | 09:23 |
| Tak|770 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/ssh_3.8p1-3osso7_armel.deb | 09:23 |
| tigert | remember to change your root pwd afterwards | 09:23 |
| tigert | so its no longer "rootme" | 09:23 |
| MIkeB | sp3000, not yet...is red pill activated the same way as in the 770 ? (i had a 770, just got the n800 yesterday) | 09:23 |
| tigert | yes, the same way | 09:23 |
| Tak|770 | btw, awesome default pw choice | 09:24 |
| MIkeB | let me try.... | 09:24 |
| tigert | :) | 09:24 |
| * sp3000 goes unplug some cables | 09:24 | |
| MIkeB | thanks seems its working now, yesterday I was typing the "matrix" thing not on the web address, of course it was not working.....dumb me. | 09:27 |
| Tak|770 | I did that at first too | 09:27 |
| MIkeB | yea, I got the n800 in the usa and I just got home, now thet Iread the howto realized my error.... | 09:28 |
| tigert | it needs to be in the web address afaik | 09:29 |
| tigert | but on N800 there is also a "name" field | 09:29 |
| tigert | which is the first one | 09:29 |
| MIkeB | yes, correct. in the web address | 09:29 |
| tigert | and you first think its the first field like on 770 | 09:29 |
| MIkeB | nope, its the 2nd one. 2nd field | 09:29 |
| tigert | yea | 09:29 |
| MIkeB | on the n800 | 09:29 |
| MIkeB | yea , that is exactly what happened to me. | 09:29 |
| tigert | same here | 09:29 |
| MIkeB | :) | 09:29 |
| tigert | since I was used to the first generation ui, I also added repositories with urls as names the first time :) | 09:30 |
| MIkeB | that is why there is the documentation: Read the Fine Manual. ;) | 09:30 |
| MIkeB | well, I am very happy with the n800 after all ! | 09:30 |
| tigert | well, it was just "D'oh" moment | 09:30 |
| tigert | good to hear | 09:30 |
| MIkeB | except for the actual metal chassis, I like the machine. | 09:30 |
| tigert | the metal front plate you mean :) | 09:31 |
| tigert | I think the rest of the thing is sturdy plastic | 09:31 |
| MIkeB | yeah, the silver "border" its kind of ...not well finished......if you get what I mean. | 09:31 |
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| tigert | paint it :) | 09:31 |
| tigert | its rather easy to remove | 09:31 |
| MIkeB | it kinda has like an edge on the screen side...like a blade edge....so to say. | 09:32 |
| MIkeB | its not a color issue. | 09:32 |
| Markov | ever tried using handwriting recognition and osso xterm? | 09:32 |
| tigert | there are three "prongs" under where the stand rests against the casing | 09:32 |
| MIkeB | you already removed yours ? | 09:32 |
| tigert | Markov: 0ne cAn Usua11y sP0t th0sE th4T AttemPt it | 09:33 |
| tigert | MIkeB: I have several prototypes, I work "here" | 09:33 |
| tigert | but the cover comes off quite easily - of course this is all voiding the warranty etc etc | 09:34 |
| Markov | tigert: heheheh. actually it looks more like pppWpWd | 09:34 |
| tigert | Markov: yeah :) | 09:34 |
| Markov | tigert: aka pwd | 09:34 |
| tigert | its pretty bad imho | 09:34 |
| tigert | I guess I should teach it my handwriting, which you can do, | 09:34 |
| tigert | but I like the thumb keyboard so much | 09:34 |
| tigert | I can type pretty much the same speed with it than with a real keyboard | 09:35 |
| Markov | i mean it's not only that the hw rec is bad, but xterm duplicates whatever you type | 09:35 |
| Markov | go try it | 09:35 |
| Markov | you'll see | 09:35 |
| tigert | ah, ok | 09:35 |
| MIkeB | ok, ssh is installed now..... I'll go and look for gnumeric....guess on red pill mode also...right? | 09:35 |
| MIkeB | on the right repository, of course. | 09:35 |
| tigert | is this the maemo-hackers term, orr the one that has courier font? | 09:35 |
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| hijakk | Bleh, so, weird situation: I can use DB client on the tablet itself, but I can't SSH in over wireless anymore.. anyone get that? | 09:41 |
| c0ffee | did you install the dbserver? | 09:42 |
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| hijakk | yep, I had it working | 09:42 |
| hijakk | gonna reinstall them | 09:43 |
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| hijakk | Issue resolved by removing dropbear, installing openssh | 09:48 |
| inz | The dropbear server takes a long time to start accepting connections | 09:49 |
| inz | Waiting for 'nuff entropy or something | 09:50 |
| hijakk | odd. It had always been snappy before.. Oh well - this works. | 09:50 |
| hijakk | Hey, is the flite package in the app manager the speech synthesis engine? | 09:51 |
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| keesj | Hi | 09:53 |
| hijakk | hi | 09:53 |
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| tigert | hijakk: yes | 09:56 |
| tigert | hijakk: works with maemo-mapper driving routing at least | 09:57 |
| hijakk | fun - any way to play with it otherwise? | 09:57 |
| tigert | "tuurn right at lsdöklksöldkflösköelkrnkatu" :) | 09:57 |
| tigert | dunno, I guess it can be piped with text and it talks it | 09:57 |
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| keesj | does the chroot in the vnchack allow to install different versions of common libs? I am tryint to understand why I could not install "normal" arm debians if they appear to work on the device? | 09:58 |
| tigert | yeah | 09:58 |
| tigert | "echo foo | flite" works | 09:58 |
| keesj | jeff added some speeech reconition stuff to mud. pocketsphinx | 09:59 |
| keesj | I did not manager to really get it working because it needs training. | 10:00 |
| tigert | "new message from Joe" would be fun for the jabber thing | 10:00 |
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| keesj | I would like that for my gmail | 10:02 |
| hijakk | Every five seconds.. "New message from Drugsforlessdotcom" | 10:02 |
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| keesj | :0 "yet an other maemo dev flame mail" | 10:03 |
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| zbenjamin | morning @ all | 10:04 |
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| tigert | well | 10:04 |
| hijakk | Aaahahah, this is great. coworkers will get a kick out of this one | 10:04 |
| tigert | the mail notification pretty much sucks | 10:04 |
| tigert | as there is too much mail anyway | 10:04 |
| keesj | tigert: yes but still. I have been thinking about what you said about mail. still I like my content to be agreagated | 10:05 |
| hijakk | Having an option in the highlighted text context menu that says something like "read it to me" would be cool, and should theoretically be fairly easy to implement | 10:06 |
| keesj | I also installed rss2mail->gmail now. but it is wa to much content. | 10:06 |
| keesj | I tend to "star" message I find wors reading . but I already have to much stared messages | 10:06 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 10:08 |
| hijakk | Oh yes, oh yes. I will have fun with flite and ssh on my laptop at my next party. | 10:08 |
| keesj | tigert: perhaps it is time to start using bessian filters to filter wanted content | 10:09 |
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| keesj | and that people don't expect responses:p | 10:10 |
| hijakk | Is it possible to define maemo mapper's map cache size? Can we clear it? | 10:13 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
| hijakk | morning | 10:32 |
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| tigert | keesj: :) | 10:47 |
| tigert | "Sorry, your VOIP call was determined as SPAM" | 10:47 |
| tigert | hijakk: bergie has this small cute rabbit toy | 10:48 |
| tigert | it has wlan | 10:48 |
| koen | "sorry, your lunch meat was determined as SPAM" | 10:48 |
| tigert | and it can talk text and play back mp3's you can send to it remotely | 10:48 |
| tigert | it also has two ears that can be moved and eyes that blink with leds | 10:48 |
| tigert | its scary | 10:48 |
| timelyx | hi tigert | 10:48 |
| koen | it is, our local mac store had one | 10:48 |
| timelyx | did you get my poke about the vkb? | 10:49 |
| bergie | tigert: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/meet_nabaztag-our_new_general_manager.html | 10:49 |
| hijakk | awesome.. I think I've seen those on, like, gizmodo | 10:49 |
| tigert | http://www.nabaztag.com/en/index.html | 10:49 |
| tigert | yeah | 10:49 |
| bergie | the service is really slow (all commands are routed through the manufacturer's website) but other than that it works quite well | 10:50 |
| bergie | it was easy to make Midgard send its notifications to the rabbit for example | 10:50 |
| hijakk | I think my girlfriend would leave me, or have me put away, if I got one of those... | 10:50 |
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| hijakk | Oh yeah, class tomorrow huh. Night all. | 10:52 |
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| hijakk_sleeps | and apparently nabaztag is armenian for rabbit. | 10:55 |
| keesj | :p | 10:55 |
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| fish_ | is there a vmware image for maemo 2.2? i only found an image for 3.0 | 11:17 |
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| rambokid | tigert: hey tigert. are you coming to FOSDEM? | 11:19 |
| Guard][an | haha i want to buy cillit bang now http://youtube.com/watch?v=KPONH2j4In8 | 11:20 |
| zeenix | rambokid: no! he is sending me in his place :) | 11:23 |
| rambokid | zeenix: sorry? | 11:24 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:28 |
| Guard][an | morning | 11:33 |
| zeenix | rambokid: nm! just a bad joke | 11:34 |
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| alump_ | what's the best way to get multible UIs inside one sbox? or any good howto on the Web? | 11:36 |
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| Jaffa | Guard][an: My brother has a "Hi, I'm Barry Scott" T-shirt | 11:37 |
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| alump | own tmps for the users, or modify configure files | 11:38 |
| Guard][an | Jaffa: :D | 11:38 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:38 |
| lardman | anyone compiled (or know of someone having compiled) mesa? | 11:39 |
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| lardman | or indeed any form of OpenGL(ES) | 11:40 |
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| maddler | 'morning all! | 11:45 |
| koen | lardman: there's a 770 branch in vincent svn | 11:45 |
| lardman | koen: Ah cool. I looked at vincent, but iirc it looked like it was aimed at WinCE | 11:48 |
| * lardman didn't look hard enough | 11:48 | |
| koen | hasn't seen any commit in over a year iirc | 11:49 |
| inz | Just packaged php5-fastcgi for nginx... | 11:49 |
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| koen | o-hand has an updated version in their svn iirc | 11:49 |
| lardman | koen: oh right | 11:49 |
| inz | If you're interested in php on 770 or N800... | 11:49 |
| lardman | I'm not actually bothered about openGL(ES) in this case (excluding obvious ongoing interest in PowerVR), I just need to to compile giac/xcas | 11:50 |
| lardman | which is more a fault in the giac/xcas build process than anything else me-thinks | 11:50 |
| tigert | rambokid: unfortunately not :( | 11:53 |
| rambokid | oh, hm. | 11:54 |
| tigert | when is it? | 11:55 |
| tigert | perhaps there would be things to talk about | 11:55 |
| bergie | inz: interesting... since Piotras has already mostly ported Midgard libs to Maemo that means we could actually get Midgard to run :-) | 11:55 |
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| rambokid | this weekend, we're leaving tomorrow evening to bruessels ;) | 11:55 |
| tigert | but I dont want to risk guadec and gnome summit budget for myself, as those are more important | 11:55 |
| tigert | rambokid: ah :) | 11:56 |
| tigert | not then :) | 11:56 |
| tigert | but mdk and tommi will be there atleast | 11:56 |
| rambokid | mdk? | 11:56 |
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| kkito | hello :) | 11:57 |
| inz | bergie, interesting idea... | 11:57 |
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| * koen wants this on his n800: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDjvGu19XJQ&eurl= | 12:00 | |
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| lardman | Bought your video goggles yet? ;) | 12:04 |
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| Jaffa | koen: cool | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | koen: I suppose using a v4l device with Xv and overlaying a simple game should be straightforward (unless the image is incorporated into the gameplay somehow) | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | Ah, motion of the image affects motion in-game. I'm amazed a treo has the processing power for that | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | So it some kind of mobile eyetoy.. | 12:11 |
| jtra | inz: have you seen my progress? http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/xterm.html | 12:12 |
| glas5 | jaffa: such games existed for 7650 already | 12:12 |
| glas5 | anyways, realeyes3d http://www.realeyes3d.com/pages/home/home.php type pointer/mouse could be fun with n800 | 12:13 |
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| glas5 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNoTTXOyDjg | 12:14 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:19 |
| koen | Jaffa: motion tracking is not that cpu intensive, just monitor a 8x8 grid | 12:23 |
| lardman | depends on how fast the scene can move between frames | 12:23 |
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| lardman | perhaps that's why the "aliens" were so rudimentary? | 12:24 |
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| X-Fade | Some nice cairo/svg aliens would be better ;) | 12:25 |
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| MDK | rambokid: yes? | 12:41 |
| MDK | rambokid: yes, we're comming | 12:42 |
| MDK | rambokid: me, xan, tommi, fer, tapani, luc and carlos from our team | 12:43 |
| rambokid | MDK: oops, sorry. i was just wondering who you are when tigert mentioned you. didn't mean to summon you ;) | 12:44 |
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| MDK | ah, okay | 12:45 |
| MDK | I'm the guy who keeps an eye on hildon and theming these days | 12:45 |
| rambokid | ah, we've prolly caused you some headaches already then ;) | 12:46 |
| MDK | yeah | 12:46 |
| MDK | that's why I'm coming | 12:47 |
| koen | can hildon be built against a stock gtk+ nowadays? | 12:47 |
| * MDK readies his chainsaw | 12:47 | |
| koen | or does it still lack #ifdefs for touchstuff? | 12:47 |
| MDK | koen: it still lacks fiew bits, but we're getting closer | 12:48 |
| alump | anyone here fixed maemo/sbox UI to work with multiple users? | 12:48 |
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| bergie | inz: does your PHP package also do php-cli? | 13:42 |
| disq | <3 php-cli | 13:42 |
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| keesj | glas5: you can created a nice demo for the quite easy with the n800 webcam , you might win a "creative" contest | 14:01 |
| keesj | just put a green and a red point on your head and write simple software to find the points on the n800 webcam | 14:02 |
| keesj | maemopeople would walk around with dots' on there head. | 14:03 |
| glas5 | hmm yeah | 14:03 |
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| keesj | I have written this for green values afew year ago it was really easy, no fancy maths required | 14:04 |
| glas5 | i remember seeing some pointer device for disabled.. that had a dot on your forehead | 14:04 |
| glas5 | +camera + software | 14:05 |
| keesj | still a nice idea | 14:05 |
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| jtra | keesj: have you seen http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/xterm.html | 14:22 |
| keesj | jtra: smooth , | 14:24 |
| tigert | jtra: is the vte deb the same as maemo-hackers vte? | 14:25 |
| keesj | BUT WHY CAPS LOCK!! | 14:25 |
| tigert | ie, does that work? | 14:25 |
| tigert | it feels WAY too small for typing thouhg | 14:25 |
| tigert | also, use bitstream vera sans | 14:25 |
| tigert | its a LOT more readable | 14:25 |
| keesj | tigert: I don't agree , once I knew that the touch is averaged I can even type 70% of the letter on the small nont thumb keyboard right | 14:26 |
| tigert | yeah, but 70% is not enough | 14:26 |
| keesj | it is 70% of the time :) | 14:27 |
| tigert | the point is it needs to be good enough so you can really use it fast enough to be ble to take part in a conversation | 14:27 |
| keesj | yes , but with the current thumb you cannot follow the conversation while typing | 14:28 |
| keesj | if we are talking about irc that is | 14:28 |
| tigert | irc yes | 14:29 |
| tigert | but it is a compromise. | 14:30 |
| jtra | tigert: no, most of changes are actually in libvte, osso-xterm has few cosmetic changes | 14:31 |
| keesj | it is at least on reason to support translucent keyboards | 14:31 |
| jtra | it is relatively easy to make new keyboard layouts | 14:32 |
| jtra | you just need to edit python source and regenerate keyboard image | 14:32 |
| keesj | but with more keyboard hacks comming (the vnc stuff , the sdl stuff the xterm stuff ) nokian's must finally understand that the current implementation is just not enough, people are trying to fix the problem in different ways, and it is all a big mess... | 14:33 |
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| keesj | btw , even with sdl apps maemo manages to draw some messages above the surface | 14:34 |
| jtra | you can also draw your keyboard in any drawing program if you keep key positions or update key positions in .places file | 14:35 |
| keesj | I just want it to work in a generic way, I will sometime plug a bt keyboard and I don't want the keyboard on the xterm to pop -up in those cases | 14:36 |
| keesj | jtra: I apreciate your work and would very much like to test it. | 14:37 |
| jtra | there is a "hide" button which will collapse the keyboard to three buttons | 14:37 |
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| keesj | jtra would it also be possible to draw the keyboard behind the content, I mostly know where to find qwerty keys | 14:39 |
| jtra | according to web server logs about 40 people looked at the page but only one downloaded .debs (pbrook who also described his experience, see irc log about 12 hours ago) | 14:40 |
| maddler | jtra: nice... | 14:41 |
| maddler | I'm going to test it later... | 14:41 |
| maddler | sounds nice... | 14:41 |
| maddler | jtra: what about known bugs? | 14:42 |
| keesj | jtra: I missed to add a ? to my previous question :p | 14:42 |
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| disq | ooh finally some interesting talk while i'm on a bus :p changed the default font to bitstream in xchat its much better now | 14:47 |
| jtra | keesj: keyboard is transparent .png file which is drawn over drawed text | 14:47 |
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| jtra | it might be possible to draw png before, but I think that text is drawn with opaque background, so this would not work without further modifications | 14:50 |
| disq | also i can't seem to enable dual dictionary use in word completion somehow it's disabled | 14:50 |
| disq | switching between custom and uk depending on the language i'm typing in | 14:51 |
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| maddler | disq: you could also give a try to Lucida Typewriter | 15:02 |
| disq | lemme find it | 15:03 |
| disq | uh, can't right now | 15:05 |
| disq | bus, remember :p | 15:06 |
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| disq | anyway cya. | 15:23 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 15:27 |
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| kpenrose | Is there an N800 specific group or is this the place to ask n800 questions? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | I don't know of any more specific channels for N800 | 15:40 |
| maddler | kpenrose: I'd say you can ask here... | 15:40 |
| kpenrose | My question is hardware related: I was wondering if anyone else had a very loose earphone jack. I'm going to have to send mine in for service. | 15:41 |
| kpenrose | 2 days old - somewhat disappointed. | 15:41 |
| Veggen | kpenrose: it might be just that you need to push it a bit more in. | 15:42 |
| Veggen | it works even if it isn't all the way in. | 15:42 |
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| elephantum | is it correct, that there is no cairo available in bora? | 15:44 |
| elephantum | or there is some way to get cairo (especially python binding) for in-memory rendering? | 15:45 |
| maddler | kpenrose: mine works fine... | 15:45 |
| kpenrose | Veggen: I've pushed, doesn't help, right ear channel is very weak, for fm radio I need to wiggle the connector to keep the stations tuned in | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | kpenrose: you have to push really, really hard | 15:47 |
| kpenrose | mgedmin: seriously? I'm capable of pushing VERY hard, I don't want to break anything. | 15:48 |
| kpenrose | When my plug is in I still see about 1/8" of the plug. | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | well, it's rather difficult to describe hardness of pushing objectively | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | it was harder than I expected | 15:49 |
| maddler | kpenrose: just check that it plugs all way down... | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | but not as hard that I'd be afraid to break something | 15:49 |
| maddler | mgedmin: doh! :D | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | no plug was sticking out | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | when I fully pushed in the headphones that came with my n800 | 15:49 |
| maddler | sounds like an XXX channel! :D | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | initially the plug did stop with part of it still sticking out, and I had to push harder | 15:50 |
| sbaturzio | kpenrose: have you tried with another earphones? | 15:51 |
| kpenrose | sbaturzio: yes, my iPod earphones - same results. If people are telling me that the plug should be flush against the body of the n800, I'm going to push harder. | 15:53 |
| kpenrose | and how come there is no calendar application? | 15:54 |
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| mgedmin | yes, th eplug should be flush against the body | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | there are 3rd party calendar applications | 15:56 |
| kpenrose | I'd try this pushing thing now, but the tablet is home resting on my nightstand. | 15:56 |
| kpenrose | mgedmin: any you can recommend? What is a good site other than maemo? | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | I don't use any | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | there's Dates, GPE Calendar, and some commercial one DejaSomething, I think | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | Dates is nice and clean, but a very very early version, so not fully functional | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | GPE Calendar is probably the most advanced open-source solution, but I haven't tried it yet | 15:57 |
| sbaturzio | what's the meaning of that button in the middle of the cable of N800 earphones? | 15:58 |
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| kpenrose | sbaturzio: That's a microphone. | 15:59 |
| sbaturzio | mgedmin: gpe-cal cuold be a nice solution....if only I know how to sync with evolution... | 15:59 |
| sbaturzio | kpenrose: sure? the microphone isn't above the N800 itself? | 15:59 |
| kpenrose | sbaturzio: I could be wrong, that's what I assumed. There's speakers on the n800 too! | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | sbaturzio: I assume you can use that button to answer/hang up when you're doing VoIP calls | 16:01 |
| sbaturzio | mgedmin: so there is a way to query its status? | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | I assume so | 16:01 |
| sbaturzio | a "mute" for mediaplayer could be useful | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | hm | 16:01 |
| kpenrose | Mine's not a button, it's a little black box with a small hole in it. That's why I assumed it was a mic. | 16:02 |
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| sbaturzio | kpenrose: mine's have a label "HS-48". is the same for you? | 16:03 |
| kpenrose | Dont' know - don't have it with me. I'll have to check it again later. Since my problems were at the other end of the wire, I didn't look that closely. ;-) | 16:07 |
| sbaturzio | kpenrose: I givea better look at it: you're right. There is a little hole on one side, near the cables directed to the earphones | 16:08 |
| kpenrose | sbaturzio: put in the earphones, start up a internet call, and blow in the hole and see (or hear) if you can hear the noise in the earphones. | 16:10 |
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| sbaturzio | kpenrose: argh...must go...see you this evening. Next time I'll try to call someone: I still need to test the webcam ;-) | 16:12 |
| sbaturzio | Ciao | 16:15 |
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| kpenrose | Since I'm still a newbie with my 800, can someone tell me what they've installed, or what they recommend for apps that aren't preinstalled? | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | fbreader | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | canola | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | if you're a linux geek, then osso-xterm, ssh, mc, less, vim | 16:21 |
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| ajturner | MaemoMapper | 16:21 |
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| mgedmin | password safe | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | vnc viewer | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | xchat | 16:21 |
| ajturner | ScummVM | 16:22 |
| mgedmin | statusbar-clock | 16:22 |
| mgedmin | load applet | 16:22 |
| mgedmin | all of these should be findable and installable from http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 16:23 |
| kpenrose | ajturner: MaemoMapper requires bluetoothe gps? | 16:24 |
| ajturner | kpenrose - no, it can still just map and display POI | 16:24 |
| ajturner | if you want "tracking", then yes - currently, though this will change in the near future | 16:24 |
| tzz | kpenrose: evince (to read comics and PDFs), xgalaga is fun, Canola for music, mplayer for video, ssh for access to other systems | 16:25 |
| kpenrose | tzz: how is mplayer better than the preinstalled media player? Canola is still beta, no? | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | ajturner: how's it going to do tracking without GPS? Cell information from mobile phone? | 16:26 |
| tzz | kpenrose: I'm not into games, but there are quite a few now | 16:26 |
| ajturner | jaffa - MaemoPlazer soon, and probably GeoClue | 16:26 |
| tzz | kpenrose: mplayer works better for me, and plays more formats and resolutions. Canola is beta but works well for me. | 16:26 |
| Guard][an | tko: is there a source repository available to the public for gtkbuilder ? | 16:26 |
| ajturner | bergie & tigert are heading that up | 16:26 |
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| tzz | kpenrose: ssvb and others are on the mplayer project; the N800 has a lot of potential for video playing that's untapped yet | 16:27 |
| kpenrose | One more question (haha): can the n800 be tethered to a mobile phone? | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | yes | 16:27 |
| * mgedmin assumes that by "tethered" you mean "connect to the internet using bluetooth and data call/gprs/edge/3g/whatever" | 16:28 | |
| tzz | with elastic bands you can secure them together well :) | 16:28 |
| kpenrose | Actually I meant through usb. | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | no | 16:28 |
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| Guard][an | inside scratchbox SDK_PC target, how to work with the hildon input method virtual keyboard ? | 16:34 |
| Guard][an | i can't manage to select it, even using maemo-gtk-im-switch | 16:35 |
| Guard][an | the virtual keyboard never appears | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | have you installed the nokia binary packages? | 16:36 |
| Guard][an | yes | 16:36 |
| Guard][an | i also regenerated the gtk.immodules file | 16:37 |
| Guard][an | cause osso input method wasn't listed | 16:37 |
| Guard][an | now OSSO input method appears in the input method list | 16:37 |
| Guard][an | but selecting it has no effect | 16:37 |
| Guard][an | i would like to give the hildon im plugin tutorial a try | 16:37 |
| Guard][an | so ? :) | 16:43 |
| Guard][an | indeed this is not very handy to use the vkb when using the pc sdk, appart when you want to play with the hildon im plugin tutorial ;) | 16:43 |
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| tigert | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/UserInterface | 16:58 |
| tigert | I did this today | 16:58 |
| tigert | put your bitchin' issues there if you have stuff | 16:58 |
| tigert | please file bugs also! | 16:58 |
| tigert | this is not something that replaces bugzilla | 16:59 |
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| Guard][an | well | 16:59 |
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| RobHu | Canola is awesome! | 17:01 |
| Guard][an | tigert: if only bug entries were not ignored | 17:01 |
| Guard][an | tigert: or i'm just having bad luck ... | 17:01 |
| koen | RobHu: if only it were opensource | 17:01 |
| RobHu | Aren't they intending to open source it? | 17:01 |
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| koen | I heard nokia intended to opensource maemo as well | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | really??? | 17:02 |
| koen | more than a year later still nothing | 17:02 |
| koen | "not overnight" seems to mean "when hell freezes over" | 17:02 |
| kpenrose | I've noticed a bug: Connect to pc via usb, transfer file to n800, unmount the n800, open file manager on the n800 - internal and external cards greyed out - can't move files onto the cards. anyone else see this? | 17:03 |
| tigert | Guard][an: public bugzilla should not be ignored | 17:03 |
| Guard][an | tigert: in fact this is the way i see it: if someone from the community even bother taking time to file a proper bug report, it must not remain opened forever. mark it as duplicate, non existent, whatever, but please do something. it's somehow basic politeness | 17:04 |
| Guard][an | the user made an effort, the team responsible for the package has to give an answer | 17:05 |
| tigert | Guard][an: I totally agree | 17:05 |
| tigert | we are trying to open up our user interface process | 17:05 |
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| tigert | its a lot of learning for many people | 17:06 |
| RobHu | I thought maemo was gpl? | 17:06 |
| Toma- | whats the default bluetooth number for the 770? my phone wont pair :/ | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | Toma-: you enter any number on the phone, then you get a dialog on the 770 and enter the same number | 17:07 |
| Veggen | Toma: you initalize pairing from the 770, that works. | 17:07 |
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| Toma- | oh ok | 17:07 |
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| Toma- | Sweet. :D thanks | 17:08 |
| Toma- | i should have RTFM'ed :/ | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | koen: you *really* can't expect these things to happen overnight. | 17:09 |
| Tak | I agree | 17:10 |
| Tak | it's easy to release the source to something if it doesn't have to go through sixteen committees | 17:10 |
| RobHu | What parts of maemo are not GPL? | 17:11 |
| florian | RobHu: there are only a few pats GPL, most of the end user applications are not open and most of the libraries are LGPL. | 17:14 |
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| Jaffa | RobHu: it depends how you define "Maemo". But that goes back to the *looong* argument yesterday | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | I think those non-gpled parts are not part of maemo | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | they are part of IT OS | 17:16 |
| RobHu | Isn't it in their interests to GPL it all? They'd have more developers working on it. It's not like the built in applications are all that /good/ anyway. | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | I suspect the managers fear that some other company will make a better device | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | so they think their mostly-inferior closed software will be a competetetetive advantage | 17:19 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 17:19 | |
| keesj | Jaffa: bloged about the local debian install, would it be hard to "just" create s debian on the sd card and boot from there? | 17:19 |
| Tak | lol | 17:19 |
| keesj | whell the apps from intd are really getting somewhere that is where the adventages is . if you can have such kind of software for you hardware | 17:21 |
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| keesj | canola could really use some love from an interaction desinger, but it looks nice | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | I got the impression canola has one | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | but then I know little about HCI | 17:22 |
| tzz | keesj: Canola definitely has had usability tests, a project member discussed it yesterday in the context of multiple selections | 17:23 |
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| tigert | tzz: are the results / use cases available somewhere? | 17:24 |
| keesj | Im really get confussed everytime I press something , for example the "video" , if it is in the middle of the screen something different happens then when it is next to other icons | 17:24 |
| tigert | would be interesting to see (and yes, ours arent available either, I know) | 17:24 |
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| kender | hello | 17:25 |
| keesj | if you press it again it open something that has to do with video , if you press in when you are waching a video it does yet something else | 17:25 |
| tzz | tigert: you should ask the Canola team | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | keesj: Booting from Debian would be tricky, as you'd have kernel/initrd/module differences to worry about. Keeping it once everything's nicely running in userland keeps it simpler. | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: hope you don't mind me CCing you on my MUD mail, since you commented about version numbers here the other day. | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: not at all | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | I should join the mud mailing list and send my patch for vim | 17:26 |
| keesj | or the way the back button works. It was yeasy to change the volume on the media player but I haven't found the same function on the video player. not to speak about items that are not clickable (that last one I whoul hope is just a bug) | 17:28 |
| keesj | Jaffa: and the kernel/initrd/module are not opensource ??? | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | keesj: items that are not clickable: that's a hidden gconf toggle | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | you can make them clickable | 17:31 |
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| mgedmin | according to canola developers, that's a feature, not a bug | 17:32 |
| keesj | alright, I guess I need to go to the canola forum thanks | 17:32 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: It's certainly doable to port Debian-proper to the ITT - someone here had an almost functional Ubuntu port. Personally, I'm more interested in user-land improvements/hacks rather than kernel-level ones. | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | keesj: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=459&group_id=125&atid=529 | 17:33 |
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| tigert | what i would love, is Canola for my ubuntu with lirc support | 17:38 |
| tigert | that would rock for a mediacenter | 17:38 |
| kkito | tigert, you have mythtv | 17:38 |
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| tigert | have you tried installing and configuring it? | 17:39 |
| kkito | tigert, no | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | elisa looks somewhat canola-ish | 17:39 |
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| mgedmin | http://www.fluendo.com/elisa/screenshots.php | 17:42 |
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| bstock | ok so i'm here: http://maemo.org/downloads/d2.php which os is the 2006.2 os for the n770? | 17:43 |
| Tak | why do you want 2006.2 ? | 17:43 |
| bstock | um.. why not? i'm upgrading anyway, might as well do 2006.2 over 2006.1 right? | 17:44 |
| Tak | there's 2006.3 now ;-) | 17:44 |
| bstock | oh really... wow | 17:44 |
| bstock | when did this happen? | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | a while ago | 17:44 |
| bstock | heh | 17:44 |
| bstock | could you direct me to a bin file for this? | 17:44 |
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| mgedmin | bstock: SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | pay attention at the "2006SE_3" bit | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | there's 2006SE_1, 2006SE_2, and 2006SE_3 | 17:45 |
| bstock | yup gotcha | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | it also sorts nicely | 17:45 |
| bstock | oh ok, so 2006.3 is the 3rd... i knew there were 3 of them | 17:46 |
| bstock | i was thinking 2006.0 was the first | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | interestingly the very first N800 rom image is not available for download | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | there's only 2007SE_2 | 17:46 |
| bstock | hmm that's kind of weird | 17:46 |
| bstock | should i use flasher3 for this, or is flasher3 only for the n800 | 17:47 |
| bstock | would it make a difference over flasher2? prob not | 17:47 |
| tomboh | I've used flasher3 on a 770 successfully | 17:48 |
| bstock | alright cool | 17:48 |
| Tak | omfg - why is everyone *so resistant* to adding wep+eap support to the devices? | 17:48 |
| Tak | is it stupid? yes. do I have a choice about the access provider's stupid implementation? no. | 17:49 |
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| koen | Tak: lots of universities around europes use EAP/TTLS as part of the eduroam project | 17:56 |
| Tak | lots of universities in the us use it too | 17:56 |
| koen | Tak: I guess nokia doesn't like students ;) | 17:56 |
| Tak | for instance, texas tech university, where my fiancee goes to school and I am employed and neither of us can get wifi on our ITs | 17:57 |
| koen | right | 17:57 |
| koen | eduroam is even nicer since I can login with the same credentials anywhere | 17:58 |
| koen | so wifi Just Works(TM) if I where to visit the university of Wolfsburg for example | 17:58 |
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| kender | koen, here I have eduroam too, but I don't know how to get the certificate | 18:01 |
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| bstock | so has anyone noted any significant differences between 2006.2 and 2006.3? | 18:08 |
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| mgedmin | can't say I've noticed, but the bluetooth connection loss problem that plagued maemo mapper is supposedly fixed | 18:11 |
| bstock | because i don't really see a difference at all | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | iirc | 18:11 |
| Tak | yeah, hard to say - the changelog was basically: "wifi improvements" | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | there are also some wifi fixes for bugs that I haven't encountered | 18:11 |
| bstock | heh yeah i saw that | 18:11 |
| RobHu | Has anyone tried out RAID 0-ing across the two mmc card slots in a n800? >.< | 18:11 |
| bstock | because i'm running 2006.2 and i use a bluetooth cell phone for internet connectivity, and that all works fine. | 18:12 |
| bstock | just upgraded my friend's 770 to 2006.3 and it looks identical | 18:12 |
| bstock | RobHu: why do you want to RAID them? i don't think you would see much of a performance boost | 18:13 |
| bstock | besides, is there an mdadm suite for maemo | 18:14 |
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| mgedmin | yeah, bluetooth with phone never caused any problems for me | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | but maemo mapper used to lose bluetooth connection every 10 to 20 minutes | 18:16 |
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| mgedmin | and it didn't realize it lost connection, it just stopped receiving data | 18:16 |
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| bstock | hmm speaking of maemo mapper, is it possible to connect to a bluetooth gps and bluetooth cell phone simultaneously? | 18:18 |
| Veggen | bstock: yes. | 18:18 |
| bstock | sweet | 18:18 |
| tigert | yea, works nicely. | 18:20 |
| tigert | and the driving directions rock too | 18:20 |
| tigert | it uses network to gett hem | 18:20 |
| bstock | sweet, i need to fork up the $$ for a bluetooth gps device still but wanted to make sure it'd work | 18:21 |
| tigert | tap+hold stylus on a point in a map | 18:21 |
| tigert | yea. works ok | 18:21 |
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| kkito | did wpa supplicant not run on the n800/770 ? | 18:25 |
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| Jaffa | How're the spoken directions with flite on an N800? | 18:27 |
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| Tak | I was able to build and install wpa_supplicant, but never had any luck running it | 18:33 |
| tigert | ok if you are in england | 18:34 |
| tigert | not so good in the land of kalakukkopiirakantie | 18:34 |
| zeenix | tigert: is that really a word? :) | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | Hmm found a presentation by Daniel Stone about maemo at LCA2007. http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2007/video/tuesday/tuesday_1620_Debian.ogg | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | Not that you can play it on the tablet ;) | 18:35 |
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| Tak | I couldn't get any theora video to play on a tablet | 18:36 |
| Paavo | tigert: or "Nordenskiöldinkatu" :) | 18:36 |
| RobHu | bstock: Wouldn't you? | 18:37 |
| * mgedmin wgets | 18:38 | |
| * Tak tries to get translations for those in the hope that "kalakukkopiirakantie" -> "fish" or something | 18:38 | |
| zeenix | Tak: tie is a 'street' so it can't be a fish at least | 18:39 |
| zeenix | Tak: and piiraka is a pie, if i didn't get the spelling wrong | 18:40 |
| * Tak knows zero northern european languages | 18:40 | |
| mgedmin | hey, my n800 just spontaneously rebooted | 18:40 |
| zeenix | the biggest problem with finnish is that you can say a completely different word by just getting one letter wrong :( | 18:40 |
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| Guard][an | hmm | 18:41 |
| Guard][an | i'm still fighting with osso input method | 18:41 |
| Guard][an | in the sdk | 18:41 |
| Guard][an | doesn't work :( | 18:41 |
| Tak | zeenix: with chinese, you can get four completely different words without getting any letters wrong ;-) | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | 32wd_to | 18:43 |
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| Jaffa | dsp_dld in lifeguard_restarts? | 18:45 |
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| mgedmin | /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 7 | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | but I think that was a while ago | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | last lifeguard restart was in hildon-input-method | 18:47 |
| Tak | guerby: hah, I figured it worked for you, given you're hosting it as openvpn for the n800 ;-) | 18:55 |
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| bstock | RobHu: since you'd be using software raid, i think any throughput gain you would have by doing raid0 would be negated by the cpu overhead of software raid | 19:00 |
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| bstock | but you could always try it and see how well it works, only takes a few minutes | 19:00 |
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| RobHu | bstock: Surely the overhead of raid0 is extremely small though? It's just block interleaving | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | writing to flash seems to require a lot of CPU | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | raid0 writes twice as much | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | probably "a lot of CPU" is incorrect | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | the cpu is reported to be idle at that time by, e.g., vmstat | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | but there are a *lot* of interrupts | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | and applications that try to access flash stall | 19:05 |
| RobHu | bstock: I would like to, but I'm at work atm :) | 19:06 |
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| bstock | i'd be interested to know the results (i have a 770 or i'd probably try it), but i think the cpu overhead will be too great | 19:08 |
| Tak | I'd think raid5 would be more interesting than raid0 | 19:08 |
| bstock | heh, raid5 on 2 devices.. | 19:09 |
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| RobHu | You could use the internal flash too :P | 19:09 |
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| keesj | X-Fade: interesting video! | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | does't .ogg store the original aspect ratio? | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | or is that video misencoded? | 19:14 |
| keesj | it is also the first time I head somebody else say maemo | 19:15 |
| keesj | My name is Daniel and I pronounce Maemo as maemo | 19:15 |
| Tak | hmm - it never occurred to me that it could be pronounced more than one way | 19:16 |
| keesj | hi does not pronnouce the e in maemo it is more mamo | 19:16 |
| * Tak pronounces it "maim-oh" | 19:16 | |
| keesj | and it could also be pronouced memo (ae in latin became e later on) | 19:16 |
| keesj | I say ma-aim-o | 19:17 |
| Tak | I would think they'd have connected the ae in the logo if it were meant to be pronounced like encyclop(ae|e)dia | 19:18 |
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| * Jaffa thinks he tends to say "Mai-moe", but doesn't actually say it outloud very often. | 19:23 | |
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| keesj | Tak: looking at the logo I would say Ma-aim-o https://garage.maemo.org/themes/gforge/images//maemo/maemologo.png | 19:26 |
| * inz finds a forgotten firefox window which says "Nordenskiöldinkatu" and gets a strangest feeling of deja vu | 19:27 | |
| * mgedmin has no idea how to express his pronunciation of Maemo using the weird English pronunciation rules | 19:27 | |
| timeless | you could just use soundex or something | 19:28 |
| timeless | May-m[oh] | 19:28 |
| Molagi | i just say meemo | 19:28 |
| Molagi | :P | 19:28 |
| timeless | me m[oh]? | 19:28 |
| timeless | or is that the finnish ee? | 19:29 |
| Molagi | yeah something like that | 19:29 |
| Molagi | english e | 19:29 |
| kkito | ... :P lol [maemo] :D | 19:29 |
| kkito | [maémo] | 19:29 |
| inz | mäëmö | 19:30 |
| dev | any idea what I can use to have the fosdem schedule on my n800, I tried gpe-calendar, but it seems it is not able to import or subscribe the ical data there | 19:30 |
| mgedmin | Dates? | 19:30 |
| kkito | insert it manually :D | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | supposedly you can drop the .ical file into some directory (but I don't know which), and it will pick it up | 19:31 |
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| keesj | mgedmin: and how do you compare media-center and canola? | 19:31 |
| Tak | afaict you have to replace Dates's calendar.ics | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | what's media-center? | 19:32 |
| keesj | mgedmin: you joking right? | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | no | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | is that the standard n800 media player? | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | I thought it was called just "media player" | 19:34 |
| keesj | I was reffering to the window media center | 19:34 |
| keesj | not that I have ever used it/ | 19:35 |
| Tak | there's a windows media center? | 19:35 |
| timeless | it's windows xp media something editiojn | 19:36 |
| timeless | essentially its own os | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | never used it | 19:37 |
| timeless | "buy a dell?" | 19:37 |
| keesj | my dell came with anti virus :p http://tinyurl.com/3yqbo7 tiny link to a tiny image hosted on a bad company | 19:40 |
| dev | thanks, I'll give Dates a try | 19:41 |
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| Tak | I've had success importing .ics with gpe-calendar | 19:41 |
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| dev | Tak: thx, I'll try converting ical to ics first | 19:46 |
| Tak | I thought ics was ical ? | 19:46 |
| dev | Tak: yes, I just realised what I said :( | 19:47 |
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| mgedmin | the handy 'mv' utility can convert a .ical file to .ics :) | 19:52 |
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| timeless | docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1975/6mhlv6vvd?a=view | 20:02 |
| timeless | oops | 20:02 |
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| Schmots | Surely someone else can either verify this issue, or let me know whats wrong. I have an n800, I am booting off the internal mmc parition 2 formated ext2. When the system first boots 98% of the time the first parititon(fat) is mounted and avalible through the file manager. However if I plug in the usb it unmounts both mmc cards (as it should) but only the external gets presented to the usb, I get am message on the 800 saying the intern | 20:19 |
| c0ffee | your line was truncated by the server, Schmots | 20:20 |
| pbrook | Schmots: If you're booting off an mmc then there's no way it can unmount it. | 20:23 |
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| pbrook | I'd guess it's smart enough to avoid exporting the device over USB if it's still in use. | 20:24 |
| Tak | ime it won't export it even if you're swapping | 20:25 |
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| dolfun | Tak, hows the emulation scene going | 20:47 |
| Tak | lot of changes for fceu that I need to release | 20:48 |
| dolfun | Noticeable speed increase over the 770? | 20:48 |
| Tak | sound is smooth on the n800 now | 20:48 |
| dolfun | nice... | 20:48 |
| dolfun | howd you do that? | 20:49 |
| Tak | switched back to esd, worked in some pseudo-buffering | 20:49 |
| bstock | sweet, so does fceu running on xmaeme run smooth with sound now? | 20:50 |
| Tak | if somebody(ssvb) works me up an accelerated pixel-doubling hack, I expect you could get full speed with zero frameskipping | 20:51 |
| Tak | bstock: on n800, it runs smoothly with smooth audio at frameskip 1 (iirc, maybe 2) | 20:51 |
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| Tak | some speed enhancement on the 770 by disabling the sound-based timing/throttling | 20:52 |
| dolfun | bstock, you know that xmame performance is game-dependent... | 20:53 |
| dolfun | you kept your 770 Tak? | 20:53 |
| Tak | next xmaeme release will have more detailed keybinding info, will search more locations (/media/mmc[12]/roms, ~/MyDocs/.documents/.games, ~/MyDocs/.games) | 20:54 |
| Tak | yes | 20:54 |
| Tak | my fiancee is the primary user of the n800, and I primarily use the 770 | 20:54 |
| Tak | she's pushing for a genesis emu, but I have yet to get one to even run past the SEGA screen on an IT | 20:55 |
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| dolfun | hehe | 21:00 |
| dolfun | your fiancee is cool | 21:00 |
| Tak | totally; she kicks ass | 21:01 |
| dolfun | yes the keybinding was a bit dicey for me a couple of months ago...had trouble getting some of the stowaway keys to work | 21:01 |
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| Tak | yeah, I don't have a stowaway to test | 21:02 |
| Tak | all the important buttons are onscreen for the next fceu release, though | 21:02 |
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| Tak | the only hw button that doesn't have an onscreen equivalent is the volume control | 21:05 |
| Tak | (which is new ;-) | 21:05 |
| dolfun | ah a pre-mixer volume control? | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | not another one! | 21:05 |
| dolfun | i like them | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | why does the 770/n800 have two volume controls? | 21:06 |
| dolfun | mgedmin, don't know what you mean... | 21:06 |
| Tak | yeah, it's the internal fceu volume, not the master volume | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | one that you control in the media player | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | another that you control from the speaker statusbar icon | 21:06 |
| bstock | is it possible to get fceu to run and have control? there's no A/B buttons without xmaeme is there? | 21:06 |
| Tak | like the one in the media player ;-) | 21:06 |
| keesj | mgedmin: it has many :) | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | that's one volume control too many | 21:06 |
| Tak | bstock: there should be - if not, pass -xres 800 -yres 480 at the command line | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | canola also has its own, and it doesn't remember my previous setting :/ | 21:07 |
| dolfun | mgedmin, when multiple programs can emit sound, one wants to be able to adjust their volumes relative to one another | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | I don't | 21:07 |
| bstock | hmm thanks, maybe i'll try that out | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | I want to adjust speaker and headphone volumes separately | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | but I can't | 21:07 |
| Tak | all xmaeme does is give you a pretty way to pass commandline options to the emulators | 21:07 |
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| dolfun | Tak, what are you looking at on the genesis side? dgen? | 21:08 |
| bstock | i thought xmaeme provided the buttons, when i just ran fceu it didn't have them | 21:08 |
| Tak | so far I tried dgen, generator, and gens | 21:08 |
| bstock | that was a while ago i tried though | 21:08 |
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| Tak | oh, and one of the cyclone-based gp2x ones | 21:08 |
| Tak | nah, the buttons are part of fceu | 21:08 |
| dolfun | any early indications which might be fastest? | 21:08 |
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| Tak | they all crash and/or hang at or before the end of the SEGA screen | 21:09 |
| Tak | so it's difficult to judge | 21:09 |
| Tak | the cyclone-based one would almost definitely be the fastest if I could get it to build and run | 21:09 |
| dolfun | i suppose efficiency on x86 wouldn't be a good baseline | 21:09 |
| Tak | no | 21:10 |
| dolfun | talked to the gp2x cyclone devs yet? | 21:10 |
| Tak | not yet | 21:10 |
| bstock | ok, yeah fceu works fine alone, will running in xmaeme hinder performance vs. just running fceu from CLI | 21:10 |
| Tak | bstock: other than the amount of memory that xmaeme consumes, there shouldn't be any difference | 21:11 |
| bstock | yeah that's what i thought | 21:12 |
| bstock | so right now there's no good way to run NES games w/ sound right? i've tried playing with the frameskip stuff but any time i have sound it just kills performance | 21:13 |
| keesj | I tried to find somebody to compile xmoto for the gp2x , but up to now failed :( | 21:15 |
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| Tak | bstock: on which machine? | 21:16 |
| bstock | 770 | 21:16 |
| Tak | frameskip 2 seemed to work ok for me on 770 | 21:17 |
| Guard][an | re | 21:17 |
| Tak | the sound is going to be choppy, but the gameplay should be normalish speed | 21:17 |
| myren | jeeze, nes has problems running??? :/ | 21:20 |
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| bstock | anyone able to get SMB or punchout to run well? those are the only 2 games i've tried and they both run kinda choppy when i have sound on | 21:21 |
| bstock | punchout is worse than SMB | 21:21 |
| Tak | I'm playing both of those | 21:21 |
| bstock | hmm | 21:22 |
| Tak | in fact my current savegame is on king hippo ;-) | 21:22 |
| c0ffee | somebody here working with telepathy? | 21:23 |
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| ocnarfidW | I know what your thinking c0ffee | 21:24 |
| c0ffee | ok, let me rephrase | 21:24 |
| c0ffee | is somebody here working with telepathy who hadn't have a clown for breakfast? | 21:25 |
| ocnarfidW | mmm clowns. | 21:25 |
| _pcfe_ | cruncy ans full of funky colours | 21:25 |
| maddler | sorry I only had a clown! | 21:25 |
| _pcfe_ | s/cruncy ans/crunchy and/ | 21:25 |
| ocnarfidW | c0ffee: do you really mean what you think you mean or something different? | 21:27 |
| c0ffee | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/ | 21:27 |
| c0ffee | it's the communication api used on maemo | 21:27 |
| ocnarfidW | This makes more sense to me now. :) | 21:27 |
| ocnarfidW | I thought you were trying to read my mind or something. | 21:28 |
| c0ffee | nah, that's pointless | 21:28 |
| timeless | does anyone here know anything about DSM(E)? | 21:28 |
| Guard][an | so, anyone succeeded in running the hildon input method plugin example ? | 21:28 |
| keesj | lol , Robustness: one component can crash without crashing others | 21:30 |
| guerby | Tak, indeed :) (about openvpn) | 21:30 |
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| timeless | keesj: but only one, right? if a second crashes, all the others should crash in sympathy? :) | 21:30 |
| keesj | Usualy I wil read " other compontent can crash whout crashing yours | 21:30 |
| keesj | timeless: also possible | 21:31 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:37 |
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| jobi | Aloha sbaturzio | 21:39 |
| sbaturzio | jobi: ciao | 21:39 |
| jobi | on OT subject, would anyone have a recent PCMCIA WIFI card with good linux support to recommend? | 21:44 |
| c0ffee | i like orinoco gold cards | 21:44 |
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| * timeless sighs | 21:45 | |
| timeless | dbus is such a stupid design | 21:45 |
| jobi | c0ffee: i used them too, but you don't find them these days | 21:45 |
| timeless | square peg, round hole, meet hammer | 21:46 |
| c0ffee | the madwifi cards (atheros) have good support | 21:46 |
| c0ffee | but it's a blob driver | 21:46 |
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| * timeless frowns | 21:54 | |
| timeless | so, no one knows anything about dsm/dsme? :( | 21:54 |
| kpenrose | question: when I see maemo 3.0 bora - does that refer to the OS on the N800? | 21:54 |
| timeless | yes | 21:54 |
| timeless | although not specifically | 21:54 |
| kpenrose | timeless: yes, but? | 21:54 |
| timeless | theoretically you could somehow get it onto a 770 | 21:54 |
| suihkulokki | timeless: DSME is not as important as people think it is. | 21:55 |
| timeless | or you could watch your 770 die trying :) | 21:55 |
| timeless | suihkulokki: i know | 21:55 |
| timeless | i read that thread | 21:55 |
| kpenrose | timeless: so the gpe apps that say they work on maemo 3.0 bora will work on the stock 80? | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | kpenrose: yes | 21:55 |
| kpenrose | *800 | 21:55 |
| kpenrose | thanks | 21:55 |
| Tak | like with os2007on770, for example.. | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | techically, bora is the name of the SDK for IT OS 2007 that is used on the N800 | 21:55 |
| bipolar | kennethd: the calendar app crashes loading a remote calendar.... :P | 21:55 |
| timeless | mgedmin: for, not on | 21:56 |
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| timeless | since last i checked the people who made the os didn't use the sdk :) | 21:56 |
| Schmots | finally fixed my iet | 21:56 |
| Schmots | inet | 21:56 |
| Schmots | as I tried to say before it crashed.. | 21:56 |
| Schmots | I am booting off the internal sd on a n800 | 21:56 |
| Schmots | however I can't access the first parition (fat) while I am booting off the second parition. | 21:56 |
| mgedmin | timeless: the "on" referred to IT OS 2007, not the SDK | 21:56 |
| Schmots | Is this normal? | 21:56 |
| mgedmin | bad sentence structure | 21:57 |
| Schmots | and by access I mean via usb | 21:57 |
| timeless | ambiguity is dangerous :) | 21:57 |
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| timeless | i know you're sleeping, but i'll be quick | 21:57 |
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| timeless | aww fsck | 21:58 |
| * timeless kicks nowp | 21:58 | |
| Schmots | ... so no one else has this problem, no one knows or no one cares :-) | 21:59 |
| timeless | schmots: standard pc rules say you only access one primary partition at a time :) | 21:59 |
| timeless | but i doubt that's particularly relevant | 21:59 |
| timeless | (circa 1986?) | 22:00 |
| Schmots | Its weirder than that. on boot mmcblk0p1 is mounted properly to /media/mmc2 | 22:00 |
| Schmots | and I am booting off mmcblk0p2 | 22:00 |
| Schmots | but if I hookup usb, mmcblk1p1 will hook up with the pc, but mmcblk0p1 won't and it unmounts on the tablet and won't remount usable by 'user' | 22:01 |
| Schmots | I can't even chown the dir after remounting. | 22:01 |
| timeless | suihkulokki? | 22:02 |
| suihkulokki | timeless? | 22:02 |
| timeless | see invite | 22:03 |
| * timeless can't use /msg | 22:03 | |
| maddler | re | 22:05 |
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| Sulis_ | woo, i'm on my brand new n800! | 22:13 |
| mgedmin | :) | 22:14 |
| Sulis_ | :) | 22:14 |
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| mazzen | if i set up a brand new scratchbox on my pc, tried to set up the ARMEL target, but have no "CPU-transparency method" to select, did i something wrong? | 22:19 |
| c0ffee | yes | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | yes | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | next time select qemu | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | I think you can change that with sb-menu | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | or at worst you can remove the target and start from scratch | 22:20 |
| Tak | don't the scripts set that for you? | 22:20 |
| Tak | I don't remember having to choose | 22:21 |
| c0ffee | or you forgot to install cpu transparency | 22:21 |
| c0ffee | it's a seperate tarball | 22:21 |
| mazzen | no, im still at the point, where i can ... or better could select it, but i can't as there is nothing i can select. just "none" | 22:21 |
| mazzen | ah! | 22:21 |
| mazzen | yes, that could be... i'll take a look | 22:21 |
| Tak | what is the deal with people releasing binaries today as gpl, and promising sources "in a few days or so, when it's cleaned up" ? | 22:22 |
| * Tak pet peeve | 22:22 | |
| c0ffee | i'd do it just to piss off opensource lunatics | 22:22 |
| mazzen | c0ffee: yes, i didnt installed it, as it isnt listed on http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installation | 22:22 |
| mazzen | but thanks for the hint | 22:22 |
| c0ffee | please file a bug report about that | 22:23 |
| pahartik | c0ffee: I really need to build custom kernel for Maemo 2.2... Is first required thing to get Scratchbox installed? | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | yes | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | there's an howto in the wiki | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | it's a bit rusty, but works | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | you need to install the host-gcc packages as well | 22:25 |
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| mazzen | in fact, the page is outdated for maemo 2.2! sbox-config is obsolete, too | 22:26 |
| c0ffee | you can just install the sdk as described for 3.0 | 22:27 |
| c0ffee | and create an additional target for 2.2 | 22:27 |
| c0ffee | there's a short howto on syslog.movial.fi describing that | 22:27 |
| keesj | c0ffee: host-gcc? | 22:30 |
| c0ffee | when you compile the kernel the makefile insists on executing host-gcc | 22:30 |
| c0ffee | at least here | 22:31 |
| pahartik | c0ffee: On document at "http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#Pre-requisites" I see "x86 processor" as requirement (for Scratchbox?)... Is that correct? | 22:32 |
| c0ffee | afaik yes | 22:33 |
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| pahartik | c0ffee: Well, I do not have one... Can I just install native GCC and stuff on Maemo 2.2 device and build Linux kernel on it? | 22:34 |
| c0ffee | if you have enough free space | 22:35 |
| c0ffee | and time | 22:35 |
| Schmots | Anyone else with the usb problem I described (hopeful) | 22:35 |
| keesj | Sulis_: congrats! | 22:35 |
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| Sulis_ | keesj, thanks! | 22:36 |
| Schmots | Sulis its a realy nice device | 22:36 |
| Sulis_ | yes, i'm seeing that | 22:38 |
| Schmots | are you irc'n from the device? | 22:39 |
| Sulis_ | yup | 22:39 |
| Schmots | so you already got root I take it:-) | 22:39 |
| MDK | tko: ping | 22:40 |
| tko | MDK: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around. | 22:40 |
| Schmots | using simply cli or the gaim plugin? | 22:40 |
| Sulis_ | Schmots, i don't have root, i went to maemo.org | 22:40 |
| Sulis_ | i'm using xchat | 22:40 |
| Schmots | ah, strickly repository listings.. gotcha | 22:40 |
| Sulis_ | i guess i'll have to do some reading to get root and get some more packages | 22:42 |
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| Sulis_ | i've got to get a different kernel to use smb? | 22:51 |
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| Skyhusker | channel hi | 23:08 |
| Skyhusker | errr, hi | 23:08 |
| Skyhusker | XD | 23:08 |
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| * timeless rotfl | 23:36 | |
| timeless | do i win a prize for crashing notes? | 23:36 |
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| tko | you get to keep both pieces | 23:42 |
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| Sulis_ | hmm, i can't install vim because there's a dependancy missing | 23:49 |
| Sulis_ | libxt6 | 23:49 |
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| disq | timeless: how? if it's reproducable could you also try if you can crash maemopad+? :) | 23:50 |
| timeless | disq: wrong notes :) | 23:51 |
| Tak | meh, it would be great if somebody would enhance the xchat port | 23:52 |
| disq | enhance? | 23:52 |
| Tak | make not suck | 23:53 |
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| Tak | fullscreen mode would be nice | 23:53 |
| Tak | having the dialogs not run off the screen with no scrollability would be nice | 23:53 |
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| Sulis_ | tak, i'm using it fullscreen.... | 23:54 |
| Tak | better default colors (dare I suggest in-line with the theme) would be nice | 23:54 |
| Tak | Sulis_: as in, it covers the menu bar and application area? | 23:54 |
| Sulis_ | yeah | 23:54 |
| Tak | by pressing the fullscreen button? or how? | 23:55 |
| disq | yeah works here too. fullscreen button. | 23:55 |
| disq | you should install the bora build :) (if you have bora, of course) | 23:55 |
| Sulis_ | yup, fullscreen button | 23:55 |
| Tak | where did you get yours, and what version is it? | 23:55 |
| Tak | heh, I'm talking about the 770 | 23:55 |
| disq | you can get bora on the 770, if you want a fullscreen xchat that badly :p | 23:56 |
| Sulis_ | ah, i'm on the n800, can the it really be so different? | 23:56 |
| Tak | I'd prefer one that didn't require that... | 23:56 |
| disq | it might work, yeah | 23:57 |
| Schmots | Sulis diffrernt firmware.. kernel and hardware | 23:57 |
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