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| sp3000 | so hm | 00:13 |
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| sp3000 | is this feedreader thing actually buildable | 00:13 |
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| sp3000 | I can't seem to satisfy the libossorssfeedreader build dep | 00:14 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: hahahaha... right!!! | 00:17 |
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| nelson | Is it just me, or does the RSS feed reader miss some entries and repeat others? | 00:27 |
| maddler | nelson: the second you said... :) | 00:27 |
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| Tak | it's trying to make up for the ones it misses | 00:28 |
| nelson | So it's not just me, then. | 00:28 |
| sp3000 | nelson: I have a feed that it likes to get a bunch of items every other time or whatever | 00:28 |
| sp3000 | like it alternates between the last two, and the rest | 00:28 |
| * sp3000 shrugs | 00:28 | |
| * sp3000 would kinda like to stopgap it from killing stuff too happily, but that would kinda require managing to build it first | 00:29 | |
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| nelson | I was also looking for a preference that tells it to keep more entries, but it seems to only keep one window's worth. | 00:30 |
| maddler | nelson: yep, you cannot change that. I think that was fixed on 770 | 00:32 |
| maddler | or at least there was some similar problem on 770 | 00:32 |
| * sp3000 would point out something on a cross-reference but those aren't on one | 00:32 | |
| sp3000 | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=953 fwiw | 00:32 |
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| nelson | Reading that bugzilla entry, it seems to me like the front page should show you ALL articles you haven't yet read (by starting up the newsreader), but the reader should also show you ALL the articles in the feed even if you've already read them. | 00:37 |
| maddler | nelson I'm trying http://moimart.org/stuff/bloglines_0.7-1_armel.deb right now... | 00:39 |
| maddler | lemme see if it works | 00:39 |
| nelson | maddler: well, but don't you think that the included application should work correctly out of the box? | 00:39 |
| maddler | nelson: yes, absolutely! | 00:40 |
| maddler | but in the meantime? | 00:40 |
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| sp3000 | nelson: read items are deleted when a new item is added | 00:40 |
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| sp3000 | sez the src | 00:40 |
| maddler | mgedmin: hehe | 00:40 |
| sp3000 | it's amusing | 00:40 |
| maddler | sp3000: unread items are deleted as well... | 00:41 |
| sp3000 | maddler: what items are unread? | 00:41 |
| maddler | unless you had the time to mark them for "later" | 00:41 |
| sp3000 | maddler: per docs in the sources, all items in a feed selected for viewing are read as of then | 00:41 |
| sp3000 | oh, you mean 'read', I meant 'considered read', different thing, see :) | 00:42 |
| maddler | right | 00:42 |
| sp3000 | the 'considered read' thing is reasonable for showing how much is new since you looked at it last | 00:42 |
| maddler | that's why you only have last 1 or 2 items per feed | 00:42 |
| sp3000 | it's not for deleting stuff obviously | 00:42 |
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| sp3000 | it might make sense to prioritize on 'unread' in the applet | 00:49 |
| sp3000 | which would mean current behavior in the applet except that 'read' items would appear at the bottom if not crowded out by 'unread' | 00:51 |
| maddler | btw... bloglines is working fine... :) | 00:54 |
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| maddler | hmmm... well... almost... | 00:59 |
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| maddler | time to hit the bed! | 01:12 |
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| Tak|770 | meh - ever since I got an n800, I'm having trouble connecting to my AP with the 770 | 01:20 |
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| maddler | Tak|770: which AP? | 01:37 |
| Tak|770 | wrt-something | 01:39 |
| maddler | hmm.. they alwais worked fine for me... | 01:39 |
| maddler | I'm using a wrt54gs now | 01:40 |
| maddler | with dd-wrt | 01:40 |
| maddler | and everything works fine | 01:40 |
| konfoo | ddwrt here too.. works like a charm :) | 01:44 |
| Tak|770 | my model isn't compatible with ddwrt | 01:49 |
| Tak|770 | it's in the compact series | 01:49 |
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| maddler | buy a wrt54gl then ;) | 01:51 |
| Tak|770 | heh | 01:52 |
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| gnuite | Does anyone know how to use the <graphic> tag in the osso-help framework? | 02:07 |
| gnuite | Specifically, I'd like to know what are the "system images" referred to by this statement in the HOWTO: "You have to define either the absolute path (with 'filename' parameter) to show third-party pictures or the plain filename when using system images." | 02:07 |
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| nelson | gnuite: well done with version 1.4, by the way. It just installed, and the model repository makes it very easy. | 02:17 |
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| gnuite | nelson: Thanks. :) | 02:18 |
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| nelson | gnuite: where should I record that the Wintec WBT-100 works nicely? | 02:20 |
| nelson | It's a REALLY REALLY nifty BT GPS receiver. | 02:20 |
| nelson | Supports USB as well, and .... the USB cable is also the charging cable. Comes with a cigarette llighter USB and a plug-in USB power supply. | 02:21 |
| nelson | Oh, and it has a compass, too. | 02:21 |
| gnuite | nelson: The only active list of GPS receivers that work with Maemo Mapper is in the InternetTabletTalk forums: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1970 | 02:21 |
| nelson | Oh, and it's only about 1" x 2" x 1/2" | 02:21 |
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| konfoo | i like my little gpslim 240 :) | 02:29 |
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| arnnn | how do I scroll to previous command on xterm ? | 02:40 |
| desrt | "up" | 02:41 |
| desrt | the hardware keypad on the unit sends up/down/left/right like normal | 02:41 |
| arnnn | thank you that's nice | 02:42 |
| arnnn | I already put http://repository.maemo.org distribution:bora components: free non-free extras on my application manager already but apt-get install libglade still doesn't work, it can't find libglad | 02:43 |
| arnnn | e | 02:43 |
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| arnnn | coudn't find package libglade | 02:44 |
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| konfoo | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35420 dynip client for anyone who needs one | 03:24 |
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| com1 | hi | 03:26 |
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| com1 | is gaim working on n800 yet? | 03:31 |
| konfoo | yes | 03:31 |
| com1 | where do i get it? | 03:31 |
| com1 | plz | 03:31 |
| konfoo | i think its in one of the mistral repos | 03:32 |
| konfoo | lemme check | 03:32 |
| com1 | great | 03:32 |
| konfoo | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35420 | 03:33 |
| juho | any idea when new tablet os upgrade comes to n800 | 03:34 |
| juho | hope they improve video playback | 03:34 |
| com1 | ari said hopefully 1 week | 03:34 |
| com1 | or two | 03:34 |
| juho | 1 week from now | 03:35 |
| com1 | yeah | 03:35 |
| com1 | yeah, video optimization was the goal | 03:35 |
| Molagi | nice | 03:37 |
| Molagi | it plays pretty good even now | 03:37 |
| Molagi | atleast with the standard media player | 03:38 |
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| juho | any improves for mplayer coming with that upgrade | 03:38 |
| Tak|770 | ...until it freezes | 03:38 |
| Molagi | no freezes with my n800 | 03:38 |
| Molagi | :P | 03:38 |
| Molagi | only with mplayer | 03:38 |
| Molagi | i got all the problems with mplayer, seems to freeze all the time | 03:39 |
| Tak|770 | I experience the opposite | 03:39 |
| Molagi | what kind of videos youre trying to play? | 03:39 |
| Tak|770 | ones I'd formatted for the 770 | 03:40 |
| Molagi | what video bitrate? | 03:40 |
| Tak|770 | low - like 200kbps | 03:40 |
| Molagi | yeah im using the same | 03:40 |
| Molagi | plays pretty nice with 350 | 03:41 |
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| pbrook | The crappy DSP code is usually what causes video playback to lockup on my n800. | 03:42 |
| pbrook | Try telling mplayer to use software mp3 decoding+esd (-ac ffmp3 -ao esd). | 03:43 |
| com1 | who's on their internet tablet now with BT DUN? | 03:43 |
| Tak|770 | oh! is it possible to do some kind of p2p connection between two ITs using bt? | 03:44 |
| Tak|770 | e.g. to play bomberman w/o wlan | 03:44 |
| pbrook | It's almost certainly possible, though you might have to set it up manually. | 03:46 |
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| pbrook | Tak|770: These instructions wrked pretty much out the box for connecting the n800 to my pc: http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN | 03:55 |
| pbrook | Ignore all the module loading bits, it's already built into the kernel. | 03:56 |
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| JoshTriplett | My N800 sometimes fails to send its hostname to my DHCP server (OpenWrt, dnsmasq), so the DNS can't resolve the N800's hostname to its IP address. Has anyone else observed this problem? How can I solve it? | 04:51 |
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| JoshTriplett | Or, for that matter, how can I diagnose it? | 04:58 |
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| l7 | hello | 06:37 |
| l7 | how are people liking the N800 compared to other gadgets in it's class? | 06:37 |
| l7 | i've been noticing the PSP is surprisingly in the same class | 06:38 |
| l7 | in terms of hardware anyhow | 06:38 |
| l7 | and i suppose the iphone does many of the same things as well, thought it is yet to come out | 06:38 |
| konfoo | the psp is entirely different except for form factor | 06:40 |
| gnuite | the screen resolution is too low for anything more serious than gaming. | 06:41 |
| konfoo | the netfront browser on the psp sucks. | 06:41 |
| konfoo | the psp works fine for gaming IMO | 06:41 |
| gnuite | not to put it down; it's a slick machine... but it's not an n800 competitor | 06:41 |
| konfoo | yeah.. in no way | 06:41 |
| konfoo | its a handheld gaming device. compare it to a gp2x if you will ;) | 06:42 |
| konfoo | it has a hardware 264 decoder which is its only saving grace | 06:42 |
| konfoo | but no hard drive on the other hand | 06:42 |
| l7 | gp2x? | 06:45 |
| l7 | who makes that? | 06:45 |
| l7 | it has some computer potential | 06:46 |
| l7 | and it's in the same price point | 06:46 |
| l7 | thought i admit the n800 has 4x the resolution | 06:46 |
| l7 | 800x480 is nice for the we | 06:46 |
| l7 | b | 06:46 |
| konfoo | the gp2x is killed by the batteries it uses and the small screen | 06:46 |
| konfoo | nod | 06:46 |
| konfoo | you cant beat it | 06:46 |
| l7 | true | 06:46 |
| l7 | it's probably the highest res in a device around the $300 price point | 06:47 |
| l7 | how are the external keyboards for the n800 like? | 06:47 |
| l7 | i know there is no offical keyboard | 06:47 |
| konfoo | unless you look at 3yo laptops yes :) | 06:47 |
| l7 | but i'm guessing a hack for bluetooth keyboards is available? | 06:47 |
| konfoo | i have a freedom mini, it works fine | 06:47 |
| l7 | lol, laptops are too big | 06:47 |
| konfoo | you dont need hacks | 06:48 |
| l7 | it's officially supported? | 06:48 |
| l7 | how much is the freedom mini? | 06:48 |
| konfoo | standard bluetooth input device | 06:48 |
| l7 | well i'm trying to think which device i want | 06:48 |
| l7 | for web + irc + ebooks + movies + music | 06:48 |
| l7 | and perhaps a few games on the side | 06:49 |
| l7 | oh yeah and ssh too | 06:49 |
| konfoo | hmm i would say n800 hands down | 06:49 |
| konfoo | trust me i have tried them all | 06:49 |
| l7 | gaming too? | 06:49 |
| l7 | i don't suppose the n800 will have a price drop anytime soon | 06:49 |
| konfoo | zaurus c-series, 770, 800, psp, gp2x, u101, pocketpcs up the ying yang, ... | 06:50 |
| konfoo | eh i dunno.. maybe | 06:50 |
| konfoo | i doubt it tho | 06:50 |
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| konfoo | http://www.amazon.com/Think-Outside-SBT5E-Stowaway-Bluetooth/dp/B000FG44BA/sr=8-6/qid=1171860645/ref=pd_bbs_sr_6/002-5792482-7928039?ie=UTF8&s=electronics bt keyboard | 06:51 |
| konfoo | http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-virtual-keyboard-BT-Keyboard/dp/B000BAY460/sr=1-9/qid=1171860691/ref=sr_1_9/002-5792482-7928039?ie=UTF8&s=electronics or that :) | 06:51 |
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| l7_ | hrm | 06:52 |
| l7_ | konfoo: you have the Stowaway Sierra Bluetooth Kbd? | 06:52 |
| l7_ | i'm wondering if it's the best BT keyboard out there | 06:52 |
| l7_ | not bad for 75 bucks | 06:53 |
| konfoo | i have the freedom mini and the stowaway | 06:53 |
| konfoo | stowaway is better | 06:53 |
| l7_ | hrm | 06:53 |
| konfoo | esp if you need to ssh and do work | 06:53 |
| konfoo | folds up nicely as well | 06:53 |
| l7_ | i wonder if it suppoorts my smartphone | 06:53 |
| l7_ | it would be nice to have a keyboard that supports both | 06:54 |
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| l7_ | what do you like about the stowaway sierra? | 06:54 |
| konfoo | eh it can take a beating in my backpack? :) | 06:55 |
| konfoo | reasonably good tactile response | 06:55 |
| l7_ | better than the freedom mini in both areas? | 06:56 |
| konfoo | yeah | 06:56 |
| konfoo | freedom mini is a toy, really | 06:56 |
| konfoo | i use it in my car when i need to browse the web, that's about it | 06:56 |
| l7_ | oh wait | 06:57 |
| l7_ | the freedom mini is really small though | 06:57 |
| konfoo | yeah | 06:57 |
| l7_ | i am planning on using this to take notes in class | 06:57 |
| l7_ | so i guess the sierra wins | 06:57 |
| konfoo | its the size of the n800's screen | 06:57 |
| konfoo | nod | 06:57 |
| tigert | morning | 06:58 |
| konfoo | evening :) | 06:58 |
| l7_ | i guess it's nice to have options | 06:58 |
| l7_ | have you tried the PSP too? | 06:59 |
| konfoo | the psp is a toy | 06:59 |
| l7_ | yeah | 06:59 |
| l7_ | it has IR keyboard support though | 07:00 |
| l7_ | i could probably take notes with it too | 07:00 |
| konfoo | i wouldnt even bother. most of its homebrew apps are featureless | 07:00 |
| l7_ | and perhaps ssh / irc as well | 07:00 |
| l7_ | featureless? | 07:00 |
| konfoo | basic functionality | 07:00 |
| l7_ | i'm sure maemo is much more mature than the psp's homebrew community in many ways | 07:01 |
| l7_ | does it have ssh? | 07:01 |
| konfoo | oh ofcourse | 07:01 |
| konfoo | no | 07:01 |
| l7_ | the psp has no ssh? | 07:01 |
| l7_ | wow | 07:01 |
| l7_ | there are ftp clients available so i assumed ssh would be there too | 07:01 |
| l7_ | but i guess not yet | 07:01 |
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| konfoo | the psp homebrew scene seems to focus on games mostly | 07:02 |
| konfoo | and/or defeating sony's horrid firmware protection | 07:02 |
| l7_ | yeah | 07:03 |
| l7_ | there is a repository of homebrew apps there too | 07:03 |
| l7_ | not sure how well it is supported though | 07:03 |
| l7_ | so how customizable is the n800's os? | 07:04 |
| l7_ | can you get your own browser if you want instead of using the stock one? | 07:04 |
| konfoo | its a full linux distribution | 07:04 |
| konfoo | well, as 'full' as one can say for a portable device | 07:04 |
| konfoo | the stock is opera. theres a compile of minimo | 07:05 |
| l7_ | oh nice | 07:06 |
| l7_ | how do you like minimo? | 07:06 |
| l7_ | i sorta want get both the n800 and the psp now | 07:06 |
| konfoo | haha | 07:07 |
| konfoo | minimo works great | 07:07 |
| l7_ | n800 for school and psp for fun | 07:07 |
| konfoo | it has a few glitches but no real showstoppers | 07:07 |
| l7_ | though their functionality does overlap a bit | 07:07 |
| l7_ | they both do music and movies | 07:07 |
| l7_ | and function as ebook readers | 07:08 |
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| konfoo | well canola on the n800 kills anything the psp has to offer for music playback/organization | 07:08 |
| konfoo | ebook reading on the psp sucks | 07:08 |
| l7_ | why? | 07:08 |
| konfoo | fbreader trumps it hands down | 07:08 |
| konfoo | limited pdf, no chm support, limited resolution.. | 07:08 |
| l7_ | hmm | 07:09 |
| l7_ | what kind of * | 07:09 |
| l7_ | (simple) games can you play on the n800? | 07:09 |
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| konfoo | check the app catalog on maemo.org. mame, nes, scummvm, .. | 07:10 |
| l7_ | can fbreader autoscroll? | 07:10 |
| l7_ | ah it's planned | 07:10 |
| l7_ | hrm the n800 is 350 compared to 200 for the psp | 07:11 |
| l7_ | it seems to pack in better functionality though | 07:11 |
| konfoo | well yeah its a handheld pc vs a toy | 07:12 |
| konfoo | :) | 07:12 |
| l7_ | heh | 07:12 |
| l7_ | i would probably learn more from the n800 | 07:12 |
| l7_ | would it still be worth considering a cheaper 770? | 07:12 |
| l7_ | or does the n800 trump it in every way? | 07:13 |
| konfoo | i have a 770 sitting here. no. | 07:13 |
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| l7_ | oh | 07:14 |
| l7_ | i heard the 770's processor feels a little slow | 07:14 |
| l7_ | which was one reason i held off buying it | 07:14 |
| konfoo | its fine actually, provided you dont load it down with a lot of crap | 07:14 |
| l7_ | ha | 07:15 |
| konfoo | but the 800 is noticeably more responsive | 07:15 |
| konfoo | plus you have two card slots, more ram, faster cpu.. | 07:15 |
| l7_ | ah yeah | 07:15 |
| l7_ | i think they upgraded the card slots nicely | 07:16 |
| l7_ | from being only rs-mmc | 07:16 |
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| l7_ | so it seems like nokia actually responds to it's customers | 07:16 |
| konfoo | well not with the cover :) | 07:16 |
| l7_ | oh right | 07:19 |
| l7_ | what is wrong with the cover again? | 07:19 |
| konfoo | it isnt there | 07:20 |
| l7_ | oh | 07:20 |
| l7_ | is a seperate one available? | 07:20 |
| konfoo | theres one that's going to ship sometime soon.. its just a hard flipcover | 07:21 |
| konfoo | not fantastic but better than a kick in the nuts | 07:21 |
| l7_ | "For me the Nokia 770 is the more ideal one. It’s protected by a hard cover and because of the smaller size one can easily take it along in a trouser pocket. Same won’t apply for the N800. That IT is more suitable at home. But then I can just as well use my Appel 12″ iBook. | 07:22 |
| l7_ | " | 07:22 |
| l7_ | is the n800 really that much bigger? | 07:22 |
| l7_ | http://spicygadget.com/2007/02/04/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-review/ | 07:22 |
| konfoo | no | 07:22 |
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| l7_ | the fm radio for the n800 is kinda cool too | 07:23 |
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| l7_ | ouch the n800 is $400 | 07:25 |
| l7_ | for some reason i thought it was $350 a few weeks back | 07:25 |
| l7_ | did they up the price after launch? | 07:25 |
| konfoo | no idea.. | 07:26 |
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| l7_ | http://www.nextag.com/Nokia-N800-NSERIES-INTERNET-533020854/price-history-html | 07:28 |
| l7_ | musthave been looking at the 770 | 07:30 |
| l7_ | the 770 is $300 now | 07:30 |
| l7_ | i could get a used PSP and a 770 for about 460 | 07:30 |
| l7_ | but the expensive rs-mmc media might eat up the savings | 07:33 |
| l7_ | hmm according to Nokia's website, the 770 is 7.27 oz | 07:34 |
| l7_ | er the 800 is 7.27 oz | 07:35 |
| l7_ | while the 770 is 8.01 oz | 07:35 |
| l7_ | the 800 is actually slimmer | 07:36 |
| l7_ | but slightly wider and not as tall | 07:36 |
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| dolfun | slimmer? | 07:43 |
| dolfun | looks thicker... | 07:43 |
| dolfun | the hard cover on the 770 is very useful | 07:44 |
| dolfun | but with a carrying case, the problem is solved | 07:44 |
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| l7_ | dolfun: http://www.nokiausa.com/N800/1,9008,feat:1,00.html | 07:52 |
| l7_ | http://www.nokiausa.com/770/1,7841,feat:1,00.html | 07:52 |
| l7_ | according to nokia, the 770 is 0.7 inches thick | 07:53 |
| l7_ | and the n800 is 0.5 inches thick | 07:53 |
| l7_ | unless there is a typo | 07:53 |
| l7_ | however i'm sure they don't take into the account the bulge | 07:54 |
| l7_ | does anyone here use a carrying case for their n800? | 07:54 |
| l7_ | i wonder i need to shop for a third party case | 07:54 |
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| dolfun | i would only upgrade to the n800 if it had fast 8-bit emulators | 07:55 |
| l7_ | hrm what are 8-bit emulators for? | 07:56 |
| dolfun | games | 07:56 |
| l7_ | oh | 07:58 |
| l7_ | what's been your experience with the current emulators? | 07:58 |
| l7_ | i would like to be able to play some of those on the n800 too | 07:58 |
| l7_ | of course you could get a PSP ;-) | 07:59 |
| dolfun | some games are playable on n770 | 08:00 |
| dolfun | emulated | 08:00 |
| tigert | heh | 08:00 |
| dolfun | xmame: space duel, gravitar, joust | 08:01 |
| tigert | scummvm works ok i think | 08:01 |
| dolfun | robotron barely | 08:01 |
| dolfun | scumvm is excellent | 08:01 |
| tigert | but get a psp for games :) | 08:01 |
| l7_ | hrm | 08:01 |
| l7_ | heh | 08:01 |
| dolfun | you can run a nes/snes emu on psp? | 08:01 |
| l7_ | yup | 08:02 |
| l7_ | even a n64 i've heard | 08:02 |
| l7_ | though the framerate isn't there yet | 08:02 |
| l7_ | wait, do all the 8bit emulators for the 770 work as well on the 800? | 08:02 |
| dolfun | i wouldn't buy a games-only device | 08:03 |
| l7_ | or are incompatibilies between the 770 and the 800 | 08:03 |
| l7_ | well the psp also does video, photos, and limited web | 08:03 |
| l7_ | there's some homebrew pda software too | 08:03 |
| dolfun | don't know, you have to search | 08:03 |
| l7_ | though i don't know how well it works | 08:03 |
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| dolfun | psp resolution not enough for work | 08:03 |
| l7_ | dolfun: what kind of work? | 08:04 |
| dolfun | shell, vnc, web | 08:04 |
| l7_ | weird, i would assume that everything that runs on the 770 would be 100% compatible with the 800... | 08:04 |
| tigert | yea. for good web 800px wide is minimum, unless one does some wacky zoom hacks | 08:04 |
| l7_ | this is disappointing | 08:04 |
| l7_ | if that is not the case | 08:04 |
| tigert | but those need to be really slick to not annoy | 08:05 |
| dolfun | if buying now, get a n800 | 08:05 |
| l7_ | i'm sure the iphone will find a way to be slick | 08:05 |
| tigert | l7, in theory yes | 08:05 |
| l7_ | hmm yeah | 08:05 |
| tigert | stuff needs to be recompiled of course | 08:05 |
| l7_ | tigert: in practice, there are problems then? | 08:05 |
| l7_ | hmm | 08:05 |
| tigert | or may need to | 08:05 |
| dolfun | last i heard nokia will not release OS upgrades for n770 | 08:05 |
| l7_ | is recompiling something a linux amatuer could pull off? | 08:06 |
| tigert | i havent used the game emulators on neither the 770 or N800 | 08:06 |
| dolfun | no | 08:06 |
| l7_ | just run config and make with a few different switches? | 08:06 |
| dolfun | Tak has done good work | 08:06 |
| tigert | people build packages for both generally | 08:06 |
| l7_ | oh | 08:06 |
| l7_ | is everything for the 770/800 open source? | 08:07 |
| tigert | what do you mean? | 08:07 |
| dolfun | i don't think opera is open source | 08:07 |
| tigert | a lot of the OS is, most 3rd party apps are | 08:07 |
| l7_ | i guess the majority of the third party applications | 08:08 |
| tigert | generally the bundled apps are closed source for their UI but the underlying libraries are usually open | 08:08 |
| tigert | and yea, opera natuurally is not open | 08:09 |
| l7_ | oh nice | 08:09 |
| l7_ | seems like you could replace most of the system with open source applications if you wanted too | 08:09 |
| l7_ | in theory | 08:09 |
| dolfun | l7_ get a bluetooth keyboard also | 08:10 |
| tigert | but stuff like the voip call, its built using open source media framework and jabber etc components | 08:10 |
| tigert | dolfun, nah. i like the thumb keyboard more | 08:10 |
| tigert | works just fine | 08:10 |
| dolfun | you're not chatting with it now, are you | 08:10 |
| tigert | guess what i have been using while talking with you :) | 08:11 |
| tigert | yes, i am | 08:11 |
| dolfun | then you are fast | 08:11 |
| tigert | and i am disturbingly fast with this | 08:11 |
| tigert | but it really works! | 08:11 |
| dolfun | i am very surprised ... | 08:12 |
| l7_ | dolfun: any recommendations for the bt keyboard? | 08:12 |
| tigert | it is the best input method i have used in a handheld device | 08:12 |
| dolfun | i use the thinkoutside stowaway - took some adjusting but i am close to full speed on it now | 08:12 |
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| tigert | a bt keyboard is useless on the go | 08:13 |
| tigert | you need a table | 08:13 |
| l7_ | konfoo was saying the sierra is good | 08:13 |
| dolfun | just something flat on my lap | 08:13 |
| Tak|770 | I'm loving the thumb kb too | 08:13 |
| l7_ | hrm | 08:13 |
| tigert | i chat a lot when walking etc.. the thumb keyboard on screen is perfect for that | 08:13 |
| Tak|770 | although I no doubt lack tigert's blazing speed | 08:13 |
| l7_ | ah nice | 08:13 |
| tigert | with a bt keyboard there are two things to juggle around | 08:14 |
| dolfun | i need it, can't deal with the thumbboard | 08:14 |
| tigert | one learns quick :) | 08:14 |
| l7_ | well i will use it a lot for taking notes in class | 08:14 |
| l7_ | twhen i want a full size | 08:14 |
| l7_ | but i also would like a thumbboard for walking and chatting | 08:14 |
| tigert | yea, for class the bt one is good since there is a table | 08:15 |
| l7_ | is there a way of attaching the keyboard to the n800 / 770? | 08:15 |
| tigert | but for mobile use this is a nice compromise | 08:15 |
| dolfun | oh and mahjong has me addicted now | 08:15 |
| l7_ | tigert: which is the nice compromise? the onscreen keyboard? | 08:15 |
| tigert | yes, the thumb keyboard | 08:16 |
| l7_ | hmm | 08:16 |
| l7_ | there is also the freedom mini | 08:16 |
| l7_ | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/bluetooth/freedom-input-mini-keyboard--it-loves-our-freedom-116004.php | 08:16 |
| tigert | i hate the small stylus keyboard - though with it you can see whwre you are typing | 08:16 |
| l7_ | which looks pretty cool | 08:16 |
| tigert | where, even | 08:16 |
| l7_ | but you'd still need to juggle when walking around | 08:16 |
| tigert | while the thumb board of course takes over the whole screen | 08:17 |
| l7_ | it would be neat if the freedom mini had a small lcd strip at the top | 08:17 |
| l7_ | tigert: what do you use to protect your screen? | 08:17 |
| dolfun | maybe the n900 will superconducting quantum interference diodes to read brain patterns for typing | 08:17 |
| dolfun | +have | 08:17 |
| * Shiiny would be happy with T9 on her 770 | 08:17 | |
| l7_ | ha | 08:17 |
| l7_ | steve jobs will be jealous | 08:18 |
| l7_ | unless the iphone already has it | 08:18 |
| l7_ | :) | 08:18 |
| tigert | i think the freedom mini is kinda a hardware version of the thumb kbd | 08:18 |
| l7_ | pretty much | 08:18 |
| tigert | l7, why is everyone asking about screen protecting? | 08:19 |
| l7_ | it looks like it would be a passable game controller too | 08:19 |
| l7_ | tigert: i dunno i always ask about screen protecting | 08:19 |
| tigert | its meant to be poked at | 08:19 |
| l7_ | with psps or n800s | 08:19 |
| l7_ | so the screen is tough? | 08:19 |
| tigert | well, my 770 screen is fine | 08:20 |
| tigert | and i abuse it a lot | 08:20 |
| tigert | and i am not paranoid about scratches since most of them would not be visible in normal use anyway | 08:20 |
| Shiiny | heh.. mine doesn't rotate... *sob* | 08:21 |
| dolfun | 3 weeks of daily use and no visible scratches here | 08:21 |
| l7_ | hrm, i'm a perfectionist | 08:21 |
| tigert | just dont put it in the same pocket with your keychain or rock collection :) | 08:21 |
| l7_ | there must be some kind of screen protector | 08:21 |
| l7_ | is the screen replaceable by any chance? | 08:22 |
| dolfun | get a case | 08:22 |
| tigert | but yea, i can understand it. its a $400 thing. | 08:22 |
| l7_ | one thing about the PSP is that you can replace the faceplate which included the covering of the screen | 08:22 |
| tigert | yea, it comes with a felt pouch for storage | 08:22 |
| Tak|770 | the rocks keep mine company :-p | 08:22 |
| dolfun | no hardshell? | 08:23 |
| l7_ | hrm, it seems like a soft pouch could still scuff the case | 08:23 |
| tigert | no. but hey, get a third party one, or make one yourself | 08:23 |
| tigert | no wait | 08:23 |
| tigert | i think there was an accessory hard flap | 08:23 |
| l7_ | hmm | 08:24 |
| tigert | but its pretty tough device | 08:24 |
| tigert | i dont worry that much | 08:24 |
| l7_ | wow nokia is selling a bt keyboard officially now | 08:24 |
| l7_ | too bad it's $150 | 08:24 |
| l7_ | don't see a section for a hard case on their site | 08:25 |
| l7_ | hey which store would you buy your n800 from if you were buying today? | 08:26 |
| l7_ | i'm thinking about getting one of those extended warranties in case i drop it | 08:26 |
| l7_ | i'm wondering who has the best return policy / extended warranty | 08:27 |
| Shiiny | folks here know how to make my 770 accept bluetooth obex ? | 08:29 |
| Shiiny | vcals and such.... | 08:29 |
| Shiiny | ? | 08:30 |
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| l7_ | http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11173176&whse=&topnav=&cat= | 08:33 |
| l7_ | the ipaq looks like a joke compared the n800 | 08:33 |
| l7_ | considering it's running that godawful windows | 08:33 |
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| dolfun | some people want the windows software to synchronize with their windows desktop | 08:38 |
| l7_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=34584 | 08:39 |
| l7_ | i have a windows smartphone, the interface is so awful and bloated | 08:40 |
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| tigert | on nokia site -> accessories I can find a screen protector flap | 08:42 |
| tigert | but I have never seen one in real life | 08:42 |
| l7_ | weird, the 770's case is slide on off? | 08:42 |
| l7_ | a flip case would be nice | 08:42 |
| l7_ | nicer | 08:42 |
| l7_ | tigert: url? | 08:42 |
| tigert | its a hinged flap it seems | 08:42 |
| tigert | but the site is flash crap so I cannot url you | 08:42 |
| l7_ | a hinge is nice | 08:43 |
| l7_ | oh | 08:43 |
| l7_ | is it nokiausa.com? | 08:43 |
| l7_ | or nokia.coM? | 08:43 |
| tigert | lemme look | 08:43 |
| tigert | nokia.com > europe > (next page) > uk > accessories > browse by phone > N800 | 08:44 |
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| tigert | it doesnt seem to be in nokiausa.com | 08:45 |
| l7_ | http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/08/brando-case-review.html | 08:45 |
| l7_ | this is a nice 770 case | 08:45 |
| l7_ | not sure if it fits the 800 | 08:45 |
| l7_ | ah | 08:45 |
| l7_ | yeah i heard the cover came out in eu first | 08:45 |
| l7_ | that looks like a really nice case actually | 08:46 |
| dolfun | so you have $580 for the n800 plus accessories? | 08:46 |
| tigert | yea, I think its a back cover replacement | 08:46 |
| tigert | but I wouldnt need that | 08:46 |
| tigert | its goes just fine in the arse pocket of my jeans :) | 08:47 |
| l7_ | $580? | 08:47 |
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| dolfun | keyboard, case, sdram | 08:47 |
| l7_ | 1gb sd cards are $10 at staples this week :) | 08:47 |
| l7_ | er $5 | 08:47 |
| tigert | I would be surprised if there would not be cases available by 3rd parties for the N800 also | 08:47 |
| l7_ | keyboard is $75 | 08:48 |
| l7_ | case is $28 there | 08:48 |
| l7_ | i guess it's still around $520 | 08:48 |
| l7_ | keyboard should work w/ my phone too | 08:48 |
| l7_ | so it's kinda dual use | 08:48 |
| dolfun | right | 08:48 |
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| l7_ | http://shop.brando.com.hk/btsmartkeyboard.php | 08:53 |
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| sri | darn, no quim | 09:18 |
| sri | anyubody working on a port of Twisted? | 09:18 |
| * sri wants to write an easy client to control his mythtv box. | 09:19 | |
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| l7_ | that sounds cool | 09:25 |
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| ptman | has someone been able to install gconf-editor on it2006? | 09:43 |
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| osfameron | where can I install canola for N800 from? | 09:49 |
| osfameron | I can't see the link from https://garage.maemo.org/projects/canola/ | 09:50 |
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| tigert | afaik its not finished yet? | 09:56 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:38 |
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| osfameron | tigert: yeah, that might be it :-) I saw a blog via planet maemo that mentioned the pre-beta release, maybe it's still invite only for now | 10:39 |
| osfameron | ah yes, http://blog.locationist.net/2007/02/17/canola-10-beta-2-is-out/ | 10:40 |
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| Veggen | osfameron: you'll find the beta 2 download via the blog. | 10:50 |
| osfameron | Veggen: the blog says "after the --jump--" where "jump" is crossed out | 10:50 |
| Veggen | hmm. It wasn't when I downloaded it. | 10:51 |
| osfameron | ah, yes, he's removed the link as it wasn't official | 10:51 |
| ptman | have they fixed the sdl screen tear problem? | 10:56 |
| Veggen | ptman: Not yet, afaik. | 10:56 |
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| ptman | =( | 11:00 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 11:14 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:26 |
| mk8 | morning ... | 11:26 |
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| maddler | re | 11:43 |
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| disq | hey, morning (slept till noon) | 11:55 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | lo florian | 12:05 |
| maddler | doh... maemo is waking up! | 12:05 |
| florian | :-) | 12:05 |
| c0ffee | moin :) | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | florian: did you see the ITT thread where someone had improved GPE Calendar's home applet to be more consistent with the theme? | 12:06 |
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| florian | Jaffa: no, not yet | 12:08 |
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| Jaffa | florian: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35266#post34622 - no sign of the changes | 12:10 |
| disq | i finally gave up on gtktextbuffer last night, will do gtkhtml if i can find some docs | 12:14 |
| disq | gtktextbufferserialize just sucks | 12:14 |
| inz | disq, gtkhtml's generated html is butt ugly | 12:15 |
| wumpus | then don't look at it :) | 12:15 |
| disq | gtktextbufferserialize creates dupe tags (with different names!) on each serialization pass | 12:15 |
| disq | i also discovered nokia again cheated and they're using an unknown "libwpeditor.so" component in notes | 12:16 |
| disq | i hate it when they do that :p | 12:17 |
| wumpus | man, another closed source component? | 12:18 |
| disq | in other news, i created a 770.ico from qgn_list_shell_mydevice.png and using it in the shortcut to putty-the-tablets | 12:18 |
| disq | inz: current maemo-blog doesn't work, (just crashes when you hit the offline button) known problem? (man that was a HUGE pile of dependencies btw) | 12:20 |
| inz | disq, the offline mode is not yet implemented | 12:21 |
| inz | disq, and the dependencies are pita, indeed | 12:21 |
| inz | disq, I've not had any time/energy to work on it lately, it's till half-libsoup-half-xmlrpc-c based | 12:22 |
| disq | :) | 12:22 |
| disq | i was just checking it out, found it while i was looking for gtktextbuffer in google | 12:22 |
| inz | disq, last time I tried to work on it, I found myself "porting" libsoup to openssl | 12:22 |
| disq | i'm not a power blogger or anything :p | 12:22 |
| inz | disq, please don't copy any textbuffer code from there, it's butt ugly ;) | 12:23 |
| disq | yeah noticed | 12:23 |
| disq | :) | 12:23 |
| inz | disq, I just hacked something quickly together to be able to test the backends | 12:23 |
| disq | i copied widget-set-icon and toggletoolbutton-set-insensitive stuff though :p (insensitive stuff doesn't seem to work maybe it's not in the current theme) | 12:24 |
| inz | disq, I guess the insensitive toggle button isn't supported at all | 12:24 |
| inz | disq, I really don't know why though | 12:24 |
| inz | disq, as you might have guessed from the code, I like clever coding ;) | 12:25 |
| inz | disq, readability and supportability be damned ;) | 12:25 |
| disq | i was too bummed when i discovered what gtktextbuffer_serialize_rich_text does, though. maybe i should keep the code but write my own serialize/deserialize (to html, for instance?) functions | 12:26 |
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| inz | disq, well, it's nokia addition to textbuffer API, what did you expect from it, to work?-) | 12:30 |
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| disq | i wonder why they added it in the first place | 12:34 |
| disq | notes doesn't use it anyway | 12:34 |
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| inz | I'd guess it's for state saving | 12:41 |
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| disq | the point is it doesn't save very well. after each deserialization you have to filter out the dupe tags serialize() created :) | 12:42 |
| inz | phun | 12:42 |
| inz | I've really been meaning to rewrite the editor in maemo-blog as a widget | 12:43 |
| inz | And so that it would understand at least (x)html and markdown | 12:43 |
| inz | for input and for output | 12:43 |
| disq | it works sure but the document size keeps growing and it becomes unmanagable after some point, too much tags to iterate thru to see if the iter is really "bold" or not | 12:43 |
| wumpus | lol, thatt sounds like the html widget java used to have, each time you loaded/saved/loaded/saved the file was bigger than before :) | 12:44 |
| wumpus | crazyness | 12:44 |
| JohnMeacham | hello, quick question, sorry if it is a FAQ, does the N800 have a real FPU? I only have a 770 and some FPU intesive stuff I am writing is somewhat slow on it and am wondering if I should take the time to port it to fixed point? | 12:44 |
| inz | disq, I hope that the separation of the wpeditor and osso-notes means they're opening it... | 12:45 |
| wumpus | yes, it has a real fpu | 12:45 |
| wumpus | n770 only has emulation | 12:45 |
| glas5 | is the fpu in it faster than using fixed point if it's feasible? | 12:46 |
| wumpus | fixed point is always faster if it's applicable, I think | 12:46 |
| disq | inz: or maybe it's just some other guy/team developed libwpeditor, or they just licensed it from somewhere. or maybe some other app (osso-email?) is also using that | 12:46 |
| JohnMeacham | well. if all future units will have a real fpu, then I will spend my time on improving other parts of things than worrying about that. | 12:47 |
| inz | disq, apt-cache rdepends wpeditor lists only osso-notes | 12:47 |
| disq | JohnMeacham: there's some talk in maemo-developers (and somewhere in planet.maemo.org) about optimized compiles of the system, if you're interested | 12:48 |
| disq | inz: good point :) | 12:48 |
| disq | inz: ooh it's open http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/wpeditor_1.01-1.tar.gz | 12:49 |
| inz | great | 12:49 |
| inz | wonder why it's not in the repository... | 12:50 |
| JohnMeacham | disq: i would think the one they ship would be optimized.. At least, I would hope. I ported jhc (my haskell compiler) to the 770, but am working on a new gesture/handwriting recognizer that is somewhta FP intensive at the moment. I have been testing with my 770, and found it somewhat slow.. but am hoping the 800 will "just work". | 12:50 |
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| wumpus | inz: yeah, one would wonder why everthing is so spread out instead of in one place | 12:51 |
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| disq | the wp in wpeditor stands for "WordPad" btw. sheesh :p | 12:54 |
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| disq | not word processing. | 12:54 |
| JohnMeacham | currently, it is based on a pretty straightforward model, take the timeseries of X events, differentiate it to get the velocity of the pen, and find the local minima of velocity. this gives you distinct 'strokes'. then do a pattern match on the strokes... it works great a lot od the time but is very brittle. if the stroke identification fails, then the whole thing fails, it can't recover. I am hoping to help that with some | 12:55 |
| JohnMeacham | smarter algorithms. hidden markov models are my current best hope. they seem to solve similar problems in speech recognition admirably... | 12:55 |
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| disq | JohnMeacham: you can also use the pressure data n800 reports, though it's somewhat limited. the 770 also has it but only works with xinput (and i'm not sure how good it is) | 12:56 |
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| JohnMeacham | yeah. I have played with that. I am not sure yet whether it helps with recognition, but the more data the better. I wish it had capacitive sensing, so it could sense the 'proximity' of the pen rather than when it was actually phisically pressing on the screen. the maemo platform is great, but the UI limitations are quite difficult to overcome. not that that is maemo specific, it is agenela problem with tablet computing. | 12:58 |
| disq | yeah, proximity would be great. also of course if the back of the stylus could be used for alternate input (eraser in a drawing program, etc) | 13:00 |
| disq | i wonder if it's possible to bring the device out of standby with a short press to the power button | 13:05 |
| disq | no such option in mce, wonder if it can be added | 13:05 |
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| zbenjamin | is someone here who uses maemoit2006 src with the new scratchbox? | 13:06 |
| zbenjamin | i have problems with compiling the maemo_af_desktop package on it | 13:06 |
| zbenjamin | i get a erroe message that tells me to use --host switch (but i use it) | 13:06 |
| suihkulokki | you have incorrect cpu transparency settings | 13:07 |
| inz | zben, are you sure your target is configured properly? | 13:07 |
| zbenjamin | suihkulokki, is there something different comparing to the older scratchbox version?= | 13:08 |
| zbenjamin | inz, not really | 13:08 |
| zbenjamin | inz, it seems that i can not use a cpu transparency method | 13:08 |
| zbenjamin | i'm not able to select qemu at target creation | 13:09 |
| inz | zben, you need to install the cputransparency devkit | 13:09 |
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| zbenjamin | where to get? | 13:11 |
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| disq | btw, who is the official nokia gateway-person between developers and osso? i got questions/ideas about mce, media server and some other stuff | 13:11 |
| inz | zben, http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/scratchbox-devkit-cputransp_1.0.1_i386.deb | 13:12 |
| suihkulokki | zbenjamin: ...where you got the rest of the scratchbox | 13:12 |
| inz | disq, apt-cache show <packagename> shows a maintainer for each package, they should at least know whom to forward the mails to | 13:12 |
| zbenjamin | inz, thx | 13:13 |
| kaatis | zbenjamin, you could also try the installer scripts from http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/ | 13:13 |
| kaatis | for setting scratchbox | 13:14 |
| disq | inz: mm good idea :) | 13:14 |
| Magi | Is there a nicer way of doing reset than taking the battery off? | 13:23 |
| Magi | Hmm, the battery doesn't come off very easily, have to sha-ke. | 13:24 |
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| Magi | Interesting, my n800 had crashed in my pocket and was in some strange stuck state with display on. | 13:25 |
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| florian | Jaffa: i see... very clever :-} | 13:27 |
| zbenjamin | kaatis, i do not use the bora release | 13:29 |
| zbenjamin | inz, now it compiles thx | 13:29 |
| zbenjamin | inz, does it make a difference which arm cpu transparency type i use? | 13:29 |
| inz | zben, I dunno -- I use the latest-and-the-greatest ;) | 13:32 |
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| florian | hi jpetersen | 13:53 |
| zbenjamin | inz, should be okay ;-) | 13:54 |
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| maddler | damn... what a bad monday!!! | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | oh? | 14:16 |
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| maddler | too many idiots around... | 14:18 |
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| maddler | there should a rule agains idiots on monday morning... | 14:24 |
| disq | uh | 14:24 |
| koen | there should be a rule against monday mornings | 14:25 |
| maddler | it sounds like they spent the whole w/e thinking about how to kill your patience... | 14:25 |
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| disq | i just sent a mail to the maintainer, proposing that mce/systemui should generate dbus messages for each keypress it receives when the device is locked or in softpoweroff | 14:35 |
| disq | this could be used in media player applications (ie. to adjust volume) etc. hope I get a quick reply :) | 14:36 |
| inz | disq, I think the keypad is turned off when the device is in "softpoweroff" | 14:38 |
| disq | "Currently even the interrupts from the | 14:45 |
| disq | keypresses are disabled, to save power" | 14:45 |
| disq | (yep he replied rather quickly) | 14:45 |
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| keesj | disq: I hope you find a good solution , I would guess that hardware buttons "just" generate interrupts | 14:47 |
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| Toma- | what is the default network interface name? | 14:59 |
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| inz | Toma, for wlan it's wlan0 | 15:04 |
| Toma- | ok thanks. | 15:05 |
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| keesj | maddler: why did you give the post such a bad title? why not the original? Worst-rated product that CNET readers love: | 15:09 |
| maddler | keesj: fixed :) | 15:16 |
| keesj | good! | 15:16 |
| maddler | btw... CNET keep saying that 770 is a bad product... that wasn't me... ;) | 15:17 |
| keesj | also discard my comment then :p | 15:17 |
| maddler | hehe... done already... :) | 15:17 |
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| kkito | did someone try the quake2 package that i made? | 15:36 |
| Toma- | how about quake 1? | 15:37 |
| maddler | kkito: I tried that some time ago...and it worked... | 15:37 |
| kkito | maddler, my package? | 15:38 |
| disq | sent another mail to the voip/chat maintainer about hooking the headset key. they're going to block my address on the nokia mailserver soon :p | 15:40 |
| inz | disq, they're using outlook, does it have such features?-) | 15:42 |
| disq | true :P | 15:42 |
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| kkito | i dont know who wants to make the n800 runs like a handsfree device... It is possible and it is not hard | 15:50 |
| kkito | i did a handsfree connection with my phne and n800 | 15:51 |
| kkito | then you can interact with the phone with AT commands | 15:51 |
| maddler | I don't remember... I could give it a try later this evening... | 15:51 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 16:00 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: back from the crypt? :D | 16:01 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: (phone) | 16:02 |
| Guard][an | please help, i need help about localizing gtk applications | 16:02 |
| Guard][an | i have a GtkButton with a label | 16:02 |
| Guard][an | i somehow understand that gettext enables me to have a different version of the label | 16:02 |
| Guard][an | depending on the locale | 16:02 |
| Guard][an | however, my button must be fixed size | 16:02 |
| Guard][an | as a consequence, how can i specify the font size depending on the local | 16:03 |
| Guard][an | e | 16:03 |
| Guard][an | and this font size should ideally come from the outside of my application | 16:03 |
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| sbaturzio | maddler: here I am | 16:07 |
| sbaturzio | I'm fighting with GPE-calendar and google ical files....seems GPE-calendar must be recompiled against N800 to let it work | 16:08 |
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| Dakylla | hi everyone | 16:11 |
| Dakylla | im very happy, now i have my N800 | 16:11 |
| Dakylla | :p | 16:11 |
| Dakylla | how can i sync it with evolution please ? | 16:11 |
| Dakylla | i'll be interrested even bye a closed source solution | 16:12 |
| Dakylla | :s | 16:12 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: never tried that... | 16:13 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: tried Dates already? | 16:14 |
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| sbaturzio | maddler: yes but I don't like it, GPE seems a project more advanced than dates | 16:14 |
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| Dakylla | i did tried Dates too | 16:14 |
| sbaturzio | but GPE-calendar crash if connected to an online calendar.ical file | 16:14 |
| Dakylla | sbaturzio: same problem here !! | 16:15 |
| Dakylla | tried witg google cal | 16:15 |
| Dakylla | with | 16:15 |
| Dakylla | that's really sad, there no way to sync this device with gnome :s | 16:15 |
| Dakylla | there should be syncml implementation or something | 16:16 |
| ||cw | Dakylla: you can sync it using gpe-sync, but currently reoccuring events will cause it to fail | 16:19 |
| ||cw | or at least, ical reoccuring events | 16:19 |
| Dakylla | cw: do i need gpesyncd for that ? | 16:20 |
| sbaturzio | so there should be a patched/recompiled version here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=34622&postcount=43 | 16:20 |
| ||cw | Dakylla: I don't recall the details | 16:20 |
| sbaturzio | but it need a libgcrypt11 not available with usual repositories | 16:20 |
| Dakylla | ok :) | 16:20 |
| ||cw | I have added a google ical to gpe-cal before though, and it did work until I added a reoccuring event | 16:21 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 16:24 |
| Dakylla | the provided like complaine about dependencies libsoup/libgnutls/libasn/libgcrypt | 16:25 |
| Dakylla | hi Andy80 | 16:25 |
| Dakylla | :s | 16:25 |
| Andy80 | do you think it's possible to recompile "spim", the MIPS/assembly emulator, to the N770/800 devices? | 16:25 |
| sbaturzio | Dakylla: in that post they say recompile gpe-calendar against N800 environment should solve the problem | 16:30 |
| sbaturzio | but we still need that missing libs | 16:30 |
| Dakylla | sbaturzio: i tried to recompile, but the maemo sdk installed by the script, is not working | 16:31 |
| Dakylla | gonna try manual install | 16:33 |
| ||cw | Andy80: only one way to know... | 16:34 |
| Andy80 | ||cw: I'll try :) | 16:36 |
| disq | Guard][an: use a atoi(_("somethingbutton_font_size")) as the fontsize? though check if you have another option, using gtk theming somehow | 16:36 |
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| Andy80 | ||cw: I switched to SDK_ARMEL, I did run configure, make, make install... it seems to run without errors, in the scratchbox at least :) | 16:39 |
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| Andy80 | ||cw: I'll try to build a package now | 16:39 |
| Guard][an | yeah i was looking at gtk theming | 16:40 |
| Guard][an | but it means that i need to have a different gtkrc file per locale | 16:40 |
| Guard][an | could work | 16:40 |
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| Com1 | Can the memory on the N800 be upgraded past 128? | 16:41 |
| maddler | Com1: can't get what you mean... | 16:42 |
| Com1 | is the memory upgradable | 16:42 |
| Com1 | can i upgrade | 16:43 |
| Veggen | Com1: nope. Or, I dunno if you can hack it. | 16:43 |
| Veggen | Com1: however, it does support 128MB swap on the internal SD card. | 16:44 |
| bergie | now, this would be cool to get to Maemo... http://www.conduit-project.org/ | 16:45 |
| Dakylla | bergie: i tried this too :) | 16:45 |
| Dakylla | too buggie for the moment :) | 16:46 |
| bergie | yeah, it looks quite experimental so far | 16:46 |
| bergie | but anyway Maemo needs some synchronization framework | 16:46 |
| Dakylla | bergie: deadly !! | 16:46 |
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| Com1 | ok guys. Who here has tried www.youos.com on your internet tablet? | 16:51 |
| Com1 | if so, what do you think? | 16:51 |
| Com1 | or eyeos.info | 16:52 |
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| Handful__ | I know gustavo announced here friday : but I've just launched the site, and added canola beta 2 to the application catalogue | 16:54 |
| Handful__ | http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/ | 16:54 |
| Handful__ | =) | 16:54 |
| Dakylla | wow wondefull | 16:55 |
| Com1 | youos.com is an operating system | 16:55 |
| Dakylla | i like the website | 16:55 |
| bergie | cool... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/canola/ | 16:56 |
| Handful__ | =) yeah | 16:57 |
| osfameron | woot! | 16:57 |
| Handful__ | I've just added it bergie =) | 16:57 |
| Handful__ | the site was made yesterday-today so please if you find (there must be alot) mistake.. send to me.. | 16:57 |
| thomasvs | does it play ogg ? | 16:57 |
| Handful__ | I was almost sleeping =) and here in finland with that cold out there.. I was supposed to be sleeping at 4am lol | 16:58 |
| Handful__ | thomas, if you device plays it... it plays. We don't ship with .ogg support instalations or anything | 16:58 |
| Handful__ | I think I will place this on the FAQ, its a good one | 16:58 |
| thomasvs | Handful__: well, it needs to play ogg if it wants to be the "ultimate" media player | 16:59 |
| osfameron | ogg out of the box would be nice. Having said that, it's probably nokia's job to get it working rather than canola | 17:00 |
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| thomasvs | osfameron: I'm just a user looking at a page that says this is the ultimate media player :) | 17:05 |
| osfameron | thomasvs: yeah, guess so :-) | 17:06 |
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| Com1 | no midi yet on internet tablets?!?!?! | 17:13 |
| keesj | ./xmoto -drawlib SDLGFX -win -res 800x600 -level 4 | 17:15 |
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| keesj | ./xmoto -drawlib SDLGFX -win -res 800x600 -level 4 | 17:15 |
| keesj | oops | 17:16 |
| Tak | lol | 17:16 |
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| Handful__ | thomasvs: ok ok =) but I think osfameron has a point there.. | 17:19 |
| Handful__ | working in the basic level, is not our purpose and we don't have a team for that : / we would like to.. | 17:20 |
| Handful__ | I think that as it doesn't play lets say, wmv with DRM, apple's itunes I need to change the tag line =) eheheh | 17:21 |
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| disq | ooh the new canola site | 17:23 |
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| zbenjamin | what is the default runlevel of the n770 ? | 17:23 |
| keesj | did anybody read the canola license agreement? | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | zbenjamin: 2, check /etc/inittab | 17:24 |
| keesj | In the first paragraph they refer to the "software described below" and in the second the software described above :) | 17:25 |
| disq | Handful__: is 1.0.1-1indt6 the latest? i'm asking because check for updates won't show me an update | 17:25 |
| dwd | keesj: Obviously you have to read between the lines. | 17:26 |
| Tak | there's a description in between in a really tiny font | 17:26 |
| zbenjamin | mgedmin, so if i want to start a daemon per default i have to add its script in rc2.d | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | note that rcS.d is ignored, which was pretty surprising for me | 17:28 |
| zbenjamin | mgedmin, so i have to use rc0.d for shutdown? | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | isn't that rc6? or is that reboot? | 17:28 |
| Handful__ | disQ yes : | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | anyway, update-rc.d with defaults works fine | 17:29 |
| Handful__ | in the splasj is r2454M the version | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | rcS is generally the startup one, the one that is run before running 1..5, but on the 770 it is not used | 17:29 |
| keesj | MS-TinyDammSmallFont[tm] | 17:29 |
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| mgedmin | invisible ink? | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | have you tried holding the tablet over fire? | 17:30 |
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| zbenjamin | mgedmin, okay thx for the help | 17:30 |
| Tak | hahaha | 17:30 |
| zbenjamin | btw does someone know where the iputils package is gone? i can not find it for it2006 .. maybe i have to look a bit longer? | 17:31 |
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| lardman | Would it be possible to get a kernel driver compiled for 2.6.10 (for example) to run under 2.6.18? What degree of fiddling would be necessary? | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | lardman: a simple recompiling should do | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | nothing less, I expect | 17:35 |
| lardman | mgedmin: Ah, that;s the problem, binary only | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | that's generally the problem with binary-only modules | 17:35 |
| lardman | I know. I was wondering whether any major changes in the kernel driver subsystems have occurred between these releases, or whether all that would be needed is a hex editor to change the version string, etc. | 17:36 |
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| disq | powervr eh :) | 17:39 |
| lardman | indeed | 17:40 |
| lardman | :) | 17:40 |
| wumpus | you have the binary driver for powervr? | 17:40 |
| keesj | A contest for better lokking canola home applet is really a must. I hope that this time I will get it running ,it looks very nice! | 17:40 |
| lardman | No, but I'm talking to a chap at Ti who says that a driver for the 2420 exists for 2.6.10 | 17:40 |
| disq | well the legal option would be to compile 2.6.10 (backport some required drivers like touchscreen wifi etc) and use it on the device | 17:41 |
| wumpus | mm I would go with the more interesting maybe-less-legal option | 17:41 |
| lardman | disq: Would be a shame to have to move everything else backwards | 17:41 |
| lardman | I just don't know whether that option is a goer | 17:41 |
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| disq | wumpus: i would too but i don't think you can distribute it on maemo.org that way :) | 17:42 |
| wumpus | anyway most binary only drivers have an open source wrapper so you can compile them for any kernel version | 17:42 |
| lardman | *most* | 17:42 |
| wumpus | disq: if it's owned by ti you cannot distribute it there anyway | 17:42 |
| wumpus | one would have to make a cleanroom implementation | 17:42 |
| wumpus | and that's a huge amount of work for a 3d engine :p | 17:42 |
| disq | you could instruct people to get the driver from this url (pepperpad3.com/drivers/etc/etc/driver.ko.gz) and put it in /home/user and then install an app/script that copies it over, etc | 17:42 |
| wumpus | you could also wrap the 2.6.10 driver in a 2.6.18 driver | 17:43 |
| lardman | Or if the Ti 2.6.10 sdk became openly available, you could apply a binary patch, if that would work | 17:43 |
| wumpus | a compatibility layer | 17:43 |
| wumpus | if they can do that with windows drivers, why not :) | 17:43 |
| lardman | Interesting thought | 17:44 |
| wumpus | it'd probably be very thin anyway | 17:44 |
| lardman | Well there's already an openly available 2.4.x driver | 17:44 |
| lardman | but that would need more work | 17:44 |
| lardman | I imagine | 17:44 |
| wumpus | yeah I imagine too | 17:44 |
| disq | it's actually here: http://updates.pepper.com/pub/pepperpad/sources/pepperpad2/3.0.3/pvrdrv.ko.tar | 17:44 |
| wumpus | that's the 2.4 or 2.6 one? | 17:45 |
| disq | (kkito found this url like 2 weeks ago) | 17:45 |
| wumpus | and how the hack did you get it :) | 17:45 |
| disq | wumpus: vermagic=2.6.13.4 preempt ARMv5 gcc-3.4 | 17:45 |
| wumpus | wow | 17:45 |
| disq | (i got the url from my irc chat log :P) | 17:45 |
| wumpus | yeah, but I mean the person that uploaded it there | 17:46 |
| Handful__ | hey kessj I think you can just change the .png for it =) | 17:46 |
| wumpus | a 'strings' on that driver reveals | 17:46 |
| wumpus | license=GPL | 17:46 |
| wumpus | whatever? | 17:46 |
| disq | yeah. they should make the source public if somebody talked to them | 17:47 |
| lardman | The URL came from a chap on the omap-open-source list, from his blog to be exact | 17:47 |
| disq | or if not a lawyer could solve it | 17:47 |
| wumpus | but I doubt it will work, as nokia doesn't use the 3d chip in its hardware | 17:47 |
| wumpus | but some crappy external lcd controller | 17:47 |
| lardman | I have a feeling they simply made a mistake with the license | 17:47 |
| lardman | the 3D chip doesn't write directly to the screen, so I'm not sure it would matter | 17:48 |
| wumpus | ohh | 17:48 |
| wumpus | so it's a 3d chip that writes to memory? | 17:48 |
| wumpus | that's creepy :) | 17:48 |
| lardman | That driver is also for different hardware, and a different type of MBX | 17:48 |
| wumpus | but makes sense | 17:48 |
| lardman | I think it would be better to concentrate on the OMAP2420 specific one | 17:49 |
| wumpus | true | 17:49 |
| disq | lardman: yeah, maybe copied over some stub code and forgot to change the license. though the module also says imagination tech as author, so they changed it alright | 17:49 |
| wumpus | if one could find a driver for that | 17:49 |
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| wumpus | also, I guess this goes with a GL drier? | 17:49 |
| wumpus | driver* | 17:50 |
| lardman | disq: Perhaps they didn't like the users seeing the tainted warning ;) | 17:50 |
| wumpus | with only the kernel module you're still nowhere | 17:50 |
| Guard][an | pff too bad gtk does not have anything like css for theming | 17:50 |
| Guard][an | qt's stylesheets are very sexy | 17:50 |
| lardman | wumpus: Yes, the kernel driver is only part of the way I agree | 17:50 |
| wumpus | lardman: hehe there's teh \0 hack for that | 17:50 |
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| disq | Guard][an: make your app load a ${LOCALE}.rc? | 17:50 |
| wumpus | license=GPL\0propatiary | 17:50 |
| disq | wumpus: lol, that works? | 17:51 |
| wumpus | yes, there was an article on the linux mailing list about it, they are now patching it :) | 17:51 |
| Guard][an | disq: well it's not only that problem, css enables to layout stuff, gtkrc doesn't :) | 17:51 |
| disq | license=GPL\0we ownzor j00 | 17:51 |
| disq | Guard][an: ooh. that's sexy. | 17:51 |
| disq | Guard][an: though there's glade for that :P | 17:52 |
| disq | (glade, which i really don't like btw) | 17:52 |
| Guard][an | hmm i'm not familiar with glade | 17:53 |
| Guard][an | the way i understand it is that it offers an xml description for your gui | 17:53 |
| Guard][an | but hierarchy information and positioning are in the same xml file | 17:53 |
| disq | yeah the interface is in a xml file, libglade loads it and hooks the events etc | 17:53 |
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| Guard][an | what's good with xhtml+css is that you can change the stylesheet and move the elements | 17:54 |
| bipolar | Is anyone using a bluetooth headset? I'd like to get one for making gizmo calls. | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | the .gtkrc files a re a little-bit css-like | 17:54 |
| disq | glade just used to be a interface designer and code generator back in 98/99 | 17:54 |
| Guard][an | not only change the background and colors | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | only you cannot modify spacing in them, afaiu | 17:54 |
| Guard][an | yeah and gtkrc is just a place holder | 17:54 |
| Guard][an | it all depends on your theme engine | 17:54 |
| Tak|work | I'm just glad that a gtkrc isn't interpreted differently by every app | 17:54 |
| wumpus | wow, at least that module has a lot of debugging symbols | 17:55 |
| disq | bipolar: i don't think they're properly supported at this point. there was some talk about it in maemo-users last week | 17:55 |
| Guard][an | like, googling for shaped windows, i just discovered that sapwood enhanced pixmap engine to allow for shaped windows | 17:55 |
| Guard][an | pixmap/pixbuf engine is somehow limited | 17:55 |
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| bipolar | disq: I guess I should subscibe to that list then | 17:55 |
| disq | let me try to find that mail | 17:56 |
| bipolar | disq: thanks! | 17:56 |
| disq | bipolar: somebody did this with a 770, though he couldn't get it to play audio (yet) http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothHeadsetHacking | 17:57 |
| keesj | at least MS is not to proud to offer a reboot option :P | 17:58 |
| bipolar | disq: thank you | 17:58 |
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| disq | bipolar: and this is another thread about bt headsets, rather long: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/16582 | 17:59 |
| disq | :) | 17:59 |
| c0ffee | somebody being me | 18:00 |
| disq | oh :) | 18:00 |
| bipolar | disq: you've been very helpful :) | 18:00 |
| disq | penguin-breeder.org eh | 18:01 |
| keesj | bipolar: there is also a package that is supposed to do something with bt headsets but I have note tried it yes https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=365&group_id=63&atid=295 | 18:01 |
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| disq | bipolar: you're welcome :) | 18:02 |
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| wumpus | damn, maemo supports no insmod -f | 18:10 |
| wumpus | I wondered what would happen when I'd force insert the pvrdrv :) | 18:10 |
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| suihkulokki | wumpus: a 1MB .ko for a different chip, kernel and SoC? | 18:12 |
| lardman | I've had a google, and can't find any examples of binary driver wrappers (of linux drivers that is, not ndiswrapper, etc.) | 18:12 |
| keesj | Handful__ I am not a very good artist :( | 18:13 |
| lardman | I've enquired of Ti whether the 2.6.10 SDK is available, that would be a better start | 18:14 |
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| dwd | Why do people keep asking about stateful inspection firewalls on the N800? Makes no sense at all. | 18:24 |
| disq | do they? | 18:25 |
| dwd | disq: Well, it's come up a few times on the list. | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | be happy no one is asking for antivirus software :) | 18:26 |
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| rev | huh. | 18:26 |
| dwd | mgedmin: Oh, don't even say it. | 18:27 |
| rev | is anyone from nokia here? | 18:27 |
| rev | especially someone who might have a connection to the N800 developer program? | 18:27 |
| Tak|work | I think it's partially because the n800 has that weird "autoconnect, but don't allow connections from outside if the connection seems to be idle" behavior | 18:27 |
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| dwd | rev: If you've got problems there, try dropping Quim Gil an email. | 18:28 |
| rev | dwd: no problems, just wanted to share a success story ... i was chosen for the N800 developer program, purchased it, then sold my 770 to a fellow developer, a very smart and capable guy whose never done any mobile development but wanted to start, for the price i got my N800 for | 18:29 |
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| rev | so while i was definately dubious on the value of the program, i've changed my mind | 18:29 |
| dwd | Tak|work: I suspect that's not actually intentional, but a byproduct of shutting down the wlan stuff so far that it doesn't generate interrupts. I'm a little nervous how that'll affect long-running connections, actually. | 18:30 |
| rev | because while my status didn't change much in a way, nokia getting me that cheap N800 both brought me up to date and the programs i maintain, but also brought someone else into the fold | 18:30 |
| Tak|work | rev: he actually came in here last week | 18:30 |
| rev | ah cool | 18:30 |
| rev | BrianRice ? | 18:30 |
| * rev was on his honeymoon last week | 18:30 | |
| rev | but i managed to send it off to him before we left | 18:30 |
| Tak|work | something like that | 18:30 |
| dwd | rev: The value of the program for me, aside from the obvious, was that I made the marketing guy at work hugely jealous, because he's only got a 770. :-) | 18:30 |
| Tak|work | dwd: it doesn't act like it's shut down from the device side, though | 18:31 |
| rev | dwd: hehe | 18:31 |
| dwd | Tak|work: Yeah, it's things like what happens if the IMAP server sends a push after 20 minutes of inactivity. | 18:32 |
| Tak|work | yeah | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | dwd: marketing guys usually get the cool toys, so that's excellent :) | 18:32 |
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| dwd | Jaffa: Exactly. He called me names for the entire week I was in the office. :-) | 18:32 |
| rev | haha | 18:34 |
| keesj | Great canola found the google maps :) | 18:35 |
| rev | keesj: what do oyu mean? | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | In "Pictures", presumably. | 18:35 |
| Tak|work | yeah, I removed my maps dir from the search | 18:35 |
| disq | yeah i did that too | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, how do I get Maemo Mapper to download maps at multiple zoom levels for a given area? The website doesn't seem to mention it and intuitive it wasn't. | 18:36 |
| disq | Jaffa: it's in download maps... dialog lemme check | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | how do I remove the maps dir from the search? | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | disq: I found the dialogue but couldn't work out how to use it without knowing lots of lat/longs | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | do I have to remove the whole mmc root, and then add the mp3 directories manually? | 18:38 |
| Tak|work | that's what I did | 18:38 |
| disq | mgedmin: open canola conf, remove the /media/mmc2 and add your specific media directories instead | 18:38 |
| Tak|work | except I had all my mp3 dirs in /media/mmc2/music | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | thought so | 18:38 |
| keesj | I takes some time to get used to the "interface" but I guess I is a killer app | 18:39 |
| disq | Jaffa: the zoom tab doesn't work? (though i use winmapper and then tar the contents, move it over to the n800 via scp, untar) | 18:39 |
| Tak|work | I wonder what prompted the decision to make the config tool web-based | 18:39 |
| disq | maybe they just don't like stock gtk? :P | 18:40 |
| Tak|work | they could have put it inside the canola interface then | 18:40 |
| dwd | Tak|work: Because teh web is kewl. | 18:40 |
| keesj | disq: development time? | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | Tak|work: apparently they want it configurable from their PCs | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | yeah, the web-only config tool was a bad design decision in my arrogant opinion | 18:41 |
| Tak|work | I agree | 18:41 |
| dwd | Jaffa: Telomer's configurable from a PC, and doesn't use teh web. :-) | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | slow startup, cumbersome ui, another unnecessary username/password pair | 18:41 |
| Tak|work | buggy ui | 18:42 |
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| part | mgedmin: not to mention that the config thing doesn't actually work | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | dwd: heh | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | I didn't see anything worth configuring in it :) | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: "Allow local web connections only" would be one | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | it's set to a sane setting by default | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | disq: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=17&group_id=29&atid=188 suggests it's not possible without writing down the co-ordinates I want | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | now it could allow paswordless configuration over localhost | 18:43 |
| part | or it could be a proper gui tool | 18:44 |
| fish_ | re | 18:44 |
| disq | Jaffa: it auto-fills the coords in the area tab. you just "zoom out enough" so that your area is covered, then select specific zoom steps to download | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | disq: I see. | 18:46 |
| fish_ | btw: is it possible to enter coordinates by hand? | 18:46 |
| fish_ | -> enter the coordinates with the keyboard | 18:46 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: I thought it was set to bind to 0.0.0.0 which is hardly sane in my book (depends if you trust the Canola guys to write a secure web server, I suppose ;-)) | 18:46 |
| disq | Jaffa: just downloaded around 800 images, so it works for me :p | 18:47 |
| dwd | Jaffa: u/p sent by Basic auth over unencrypted connection? | 18:47 |
| * dwd is just guessing. | 18:48 | |
| Jaffa | dwd: No, form-based login IIRC (again, unencrypted) | 18:48 |
| thomasvs | hm, so canola asked me for an admin pw, then a user and password | 18:48 |
| thomasvs | and that is before it has done anything useful yet :) | 18:48 |
| dwd | Ah. Sniffer-tastic. | 18:48 |
| Guard][an | haha | 18:49 |
| Guard][an | * src/pixbuf-draw.c (draw_simple_image): Never shape | 18:49 |
| Guard][an | the window, even if we are allowed to. Shaping is | 18:49 |
| Guard][an | ugly -- if the widget isn't NO_WINDOW (most are), | 18:49 |
| Guard][an | you'll just have to draw it rectangular. | 18:49 |
| thomasvs | I wish I could figure out the web ui's desire when it presents me with the media library | 18:49 |
| thomasvs | green arrows, red arrows, and some paths | 18:49 |
| Guard][an | from the pixbuf engine changelog, great assertion, reminds me "640ko is enough ... | 18:49 |
| Guard][an | " | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: dwd: canola popped up a basic http authentication dialog | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | I don't recall if there was ssl involved | 18:52 |
| dwd | mgedmin: Ah, using that powerful base64 encoding. | 18:52 |
| disq | stop with the sarcasm please :) | 18:53 |
| dwd | mgedmin: Doubtful, since most http clients can't handle ADH, so it'd need a certificate, and you'd have endless fun and games with dialog boxes moaning about it. | 18:53 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: ah yes, it was form-based to ask for the admin password to set | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | ADH... ? | 18:53 |
| dwd | Cert-less encryption in TLS. | 18:55 |
| dwd | No mutual auth, just encryption. (Usually 256-bit AES) | 18:55 |
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| mgedmin | wikipedia doesn't know that | 19:03 |
| lardman | Ah shame, Ti only has a driver that supports the dev board, not something with output | 19:04 |
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| bipolar | hmm... my n800 just locked up then rebooted :\ | 19:11 |
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| mgedmin | bipolar: you may want to check http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues | 19:12 |
| Andy80 | I think I need a little help with the creation of a package :\ I've followed this guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html to create a .deb package for my N770. The package was created, I successfully installed it on my N770, but..... only /usr/share/ stuff is present. No bin at all. What could be wrong? | 19:17 |
| dwd | mgedmin: Hmmm. I know more than Wikipedia. (Including how to spell encyclopædia, of course) | 19:18 |
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| mgedmin | Andy80: the 'install' rule in debian/rules | 19:19 |
| bipolar | mgedmin: thanks! | 19:19 |
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| Andy80 | mgedmin: can I copy the rule file somewhere, so you can give it a look? | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | Andy80: sure, try http://pastey.net | 19:20 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: http://pastebin.ca/363742 | 19:21 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: the problem is that debian/spim/ contains only usr/share/ folder, no usr/bin at all | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | what does your Makefile do? | 19:22 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: I paste it too... | 19:22 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: http://pastebin.ca/363747 | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | dum-de-dum | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | your Makefile ignores $(DESTDIR) | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | fix it | 19:26 |
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| mgedmin | BIN_DIR = $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | etc | 19:26 |
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| mgedmin | also for EXCEPTION_DIR and MAN_DIR | 19:26 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: where is $(DESTDIR) defined? | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | it's a command-line argument passed to make in debian/rules | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | line 59 | 19:29 |
| Andy80 | ok... I fixed the Makefile | 19:29 |
| Andy80 | now I try to re-run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot :) | 19:29 |
| Andy80 | mmm.... errors | 19:31 |
| Andy80 | I paste them.... | 19:31 |
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| Andy80 | mgedmin: http://pastebin.ca/363755 | 19:31 |
| osfameron | gosh, canola takes a while to "configure local database" | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | change the install rule in Makefile by adding -D to the arguments of 'install' | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | i.e. 'install -c -s -D spim $(BIN_DIR)" | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | etc | 19:33 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: infact, the debian/spin/ is empty now | 19:33 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: ok... | 19:33 |
| part | mgedmin: actually, that should be $(DESTDIR)/bin, as DESTDIR tends to be something like /usr or /usr/local | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | part: you're confusing DESTDIR with PREFIX | 19:35 |
| part | ah, yes, I am | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: no errors now :) | 19:35 |
| bipolar | I need an edge (celular internet) to bt gateway.... | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | yay | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: I'm going to try it on n770 ;) let's cross our fingers! | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | bipolar: it's called a "mobile phone" :) | 19:35 |
| bipolar | mgedmin: I have one, but it doesn't do edge :\ | 19:36 |
| bipolar | I have an edge card for my laptop, and USB ones just came out. | 19:36 |
| bipolar | I can connect to the internet though my phone, but it's too damn slow :p | 19:37 |
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| mgedmin | there's also 3G with its own confusing set of acronyms | 19:39 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: I get this error, installing the package: trying to overwrite directory `/usr/bin' in package libglib2.0-dev with nondirectory | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | something's wrong then | 19:40 |
| Andy80 | yes | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | ah, I know | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | I think | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | edit the makefile again | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | make it install -c -s -D spim $(BINDIR)/spim | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | or perhaps two rules: -mkdir -p $(BINDIR) followed by the original install -c -s spim $(BINDIR) without the -D | 19:41 |
| tko | hmm, usually it's $(DESTDIR)$(BINDIR)/whatever | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | perhaps that's a good idea... I suggested Andy80 change the BINDIR definition to include $(DESTDIR) | 19:42 |
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| mgedmin | I have done little packaging, so I don't know what is the "standard" way of doing things | 19:42 |
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| Andy80 | mgedmin: so, the final string is: install -c -s -D spim $(DESTDIR)$(BINDIR)/spim | 19:44 |
| Andy80 | ? | 19:44 |
| tko | mgedmin, that should work as long as you don't need it without the $(DESTDIR) :) | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | Andy80: only if you've changed the BINDIR definition back to what it was (i.e. without $(DESTDIR)) | 19:44 |
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| mgedmin | DESTDIR needs to be included in the command exactly once: either directly, or indirectly through BINDIR | 19:45 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: my lines are: BIN_DIR = $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin | 19:45 |
| Andy80 | and EXCEPTION_DIR = $(DESTDIR)/usr/lib | 19:45 |
| jaeku | is there a one-stop guide for using the auto build tools? i dont know where to start... | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | also you'll need to make the same modification to the install line that installs exceptions.s | 19:45 |
| Andy80 | yes | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | that is, repeat the file name after the destination directory | 19:45 |
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| mgedmin | because otherwise install -D will think you want a file named 'lib' | 19:46 |
| keesj | the package manager and the posibilities to become root using the package manager are real security issues imho | 19:46 |
| Andy80 | so BIN/EXC... are modified... now I change the install to: install -c -s -D spim $(DESTDIR)$(BINDIR)/spim | 19:46 |
| Andy80 | right? | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | no | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | install -c -s -D spim $(BINDIR)/spim | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | because you said your BINDIR already includes DESTDIR | 19:47 |
| Andy80 | ah okok | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | jaeku: the autoconf book: http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/ | 19:47 |
| jaeku | cool, thanks | 19:48 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: ok, rebuilt, let's try again :) | 19:49 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: at least, now I got no errors executing dpkg --install on the scratchbox... I hope it will work on n770 too | 19:50 |
| bipolar | Has anyone gotten a word processor or spreadsheet working on an 800? | 19:50 |
| tko | bipolar, there's abiword and gnumeric | 19:51 |
| tko | not sure about port status though :-] | 19:51 |
| bipolar | tko: yeah, not for 800 :( | 19:51 |
| c0ffee | tko, didn't you say the sources of the itos (at least the gpl part) was available somewhere on maemo.org? | 19:51 |
| jaeku | has anyone written anything that makes my tablet into a mobile hotspot using my phone's connection? | 19:51 |
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| Andy80 | mgedmin: it works!!!! | 19:52 |
| Andy80 | yeaaaahhh :D | 19:52 |
| Andy80 | my first .deb "serious" package, without using checkinstall ;) | 19:53 |
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| bipolar | jaeku: that would be an interesting thing.... | 19:53 |
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| jaeku | fo sho ;) | 19:53 |
| rev | forilla | 19:53 |
| jaeku | i have other great ideas too ^_^ | 19:54 |
| tko | c0ffee, http://www.maemo.org/downloads/Nokia_N800_OS.php | 19:54 |
| jaeku | none which i can reveal... otherwise i'd have to kill you all | 19:54 |
| tko | very well hidden... | 19:54 |
| c0ffee | tko, ah thanks | 19:55 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: should I put this package somewhere, so other people can use it? | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | probably | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | I don't even know what it is :) | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | you could create a garage project, I suppose, and upload both the source and binary packages there | 19:56 |
| Andy80 | mgedmin: it's a mips emulator that runs mips-assembly code | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | and then upload it into maemo extras, like suggested here: src/ivija/review/eversheds/browser.py | 19:57 |
| Tak|work | or use mud-builder | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | and add an entry on downloads.maemo.org | 19:57 |
| Tak|work | if the changes to upstream source are trivial | 19:57 |
| Andy80 | I'll create a little page on my wiki in the meantime | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | I still haven't figured out how to use mud-builder properly | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | it produces somewhat strange packages | 19:58 |
| jaeku | Andy80: what is the emulator called? | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | e.g. I see no way to specify a version number, or add debian/changelog entries explaining what I did | 19:58 |
| Andy80 | jaeku: spim | 19:58 |
| Tak|work | wouldn't that be part of your patch? | 19:58 |
| jaeku | oh, cool... i have a senior design project in the works that will utilize spim... GET IT WORKING ON MY 770!!!!!!!! | 19:59 |
| disq | c0ffee: this is easier, http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/ | 19:59 |
| jaeku | Andy80: is it for the 800 or the 770? | 20:00 |
| Andy80 | jaeku: I built it in 2.2/maemo scratchbox and I run it on 770, but I think it will run on 800 too... wanna try? | 20:00 |
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| jaeku | Andy80: well, not right now... if it gets in the apps list i'll defintely use it soon | 20:01 |
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| Andy80 | jaeku: the funny thing is that I started studying mips assembly.... just this morning :D | 20:02 |
| * jaeku hates how the 800 and the 770 have separate software repos... sucks for the users in the end | 20:02 | |
| jaeku | Andy80: cool, i took an architecture class where the the main architecture was mips | 20:02 |
| Tak|work | would suck more if there was a bunch of software listed in the 770 repo that couldn't be installed | 20:02 |
| jaeku | Andy80: and now i have a senior design class where the prof from that class is making us make an arm->mips binary converter | 20:03 |
| Andy80 | :) | 20:03 |
| pbrook | jaeku: Use qemu :-) | 20:03 |
| jaeku | pbrook: yeah, that is on my list of emus to investigate | 20:03 |
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| timeless | jaeku: *shrug* | 20:04 |
| pbrook | The mips backend is probably bitrotted, but not that hard to fix. | 20:04 |
| timeless | the systems don't have identical software | 20:04 |
| timeless | so things don't actually work correctly if you put them together | 20:04 |
| timeless | why does each linux distro/version have its own repo? | 20:04 |
| * timeless thinks the answer is to waste space | 20:04 | |
| jaeku | timeless: i'm talking about how maemo segragates the two machines... they should have a single API for all machines | 20:05 |
| pbrook | Why? | 20:05 |
| jaeku | so you have a larger software pool and so developers dont have to work on maintaining two projects? | 20:05 |
| timeless | jaeku: the problem is that they chose to bump the apis for random components between 2006 and 2007 | 20:05 |
| timeless | it's the linux way | 20:05 |
| timeless | is it smart? nah | 20:05 |
| timeless | but it's more fun | 20:05 |
| timeless | divide and conquer, right? | 20:06 |
| pbrook | The only relistic way to make that happen is to make os2007 run on the n770. | 20:06 |
| timeless | there's a garage project by that name | 20:06 |
| jaeku | yeah, so they are dropping support for the 770 if they dont make os2007 for the 770 | 20:06 |
| timeless | um | 20:06 |
| timeless | i just got a 770 today | 20:06 |
| timeless | i'm supposed to take it w/ me to fosdem | 20:06 |
| timeless | not quite sure why | 20:06 |
| jaeku | i hate companies that drop support for hardware that is only a year old | 20:07 |
| part | timeless: why? | 20:07 |
| timeless | why? | 20:07 |
| timeless | how should i know? | 20:07 |
| * timeless looks at back | 20:07 | |
| jaeku | i had tons of respect for nokia before they started to segratate the two machines | 20:07 |
| timeless | yep, it says "certified gopher" | 20:07 |
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| part | why are you supposed to take it to fosdem? | 20:07 |
| * timeless points to the "certified gopher" sticker | 20:07 | |
| jaeku | timeless: what do you mean gopher? you from UMN? | 20:07 |
| pbrook | jaeku: Not supporting cuppoorting new OS releases on old hardware is somewhat different from dropping support. | 20:07 |
| timeless | 'Ours note reason why, ours but to do or die' | 20:08 |
| Com1 | does OMAP 2420 support midi? | 20:08 |
| timeless | eep | 20:08 |
| * timeless sighs | 20:08 | |
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| timeless | ("Ours is not to reason why . . . Ours is but to do or die. | 20:08 |
| timeless | somethinig like that | 20:08 |
| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 20:08 |
| * timeless wants the risk version | 20:08 | |
| timeless | which is something like | 20:09 |
| timeless | "Ours is not to question why, ours is to do or die" | 20:09 |
| timeless | but google is flaking on me | 20:09 |
| part | jaeku: how long are mobile phones usually supported, a year? | 20:09 |
| timeless | jaeku: gopher this, gopher that | 20:09 |
| timeless | jaeku: it's part of the origin of the gopher name in context | 20:09 |
| timeless | gopher this (get me this), gopher that (get me that) | 20:10 |
| timeless | "go for" | 20:10 |
| jaeku | oh.. | 20:10 |
| * timeless concludes jaeku is a finn | 20:10 | |
| * pbrook points at most other year-old PDA/smartphone-like devices that are running crufty versions of wince/palm/symbian | 20:11 | |
| jaeku | nope, i'm a social mutt, mix between american and korean culture | 20:11 |
| timeless | interesting | 20:11 |
| timeless | you should have known gopher :( | 20:11 |
| jaeku | i wish i was a finn... i hate the US | 20:11 |
| jaeku | nah, i go to the UofM so when you said gopher, i thought you went there too ;) | 20:12 |
| jaeku | gopher is the UofM's mascot | 20:12 |
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| timeless | UofMN you mean | 20:12 |
| timeless | i went to a UofM | 20:12 |
| jaeku | yeah, you are right... | 20:13 |
| timeless | i think mine might be cannonical | 20:13 |
| timeless | since iirc it's UMich, not UofM | 20:13 |
| jaeku | anyone know the s60 API well enough to know if it would be possible to write a HID software keyboard for it? | 20:14 |
| timeless | similarly, UMass, UMiss | 20:14 |
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| Tak|work | UMinn? | 20:14 |
| timeless | and you never hear about missouri :) | 20:14 |
| kkito | Com1, if you want midi support you can compile timidity for the n800 | 20:14 |
| timeless | tak: nah, see scrollback :) | 20:14 |
| jaeku | timeless: well, the domain for my school is umn.edu so UMN makes more sense... all the locals here know what you mean by UofM so it kinda slipped | 20:14 |
| Tak|work | I've been seeing | 20:14 |
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| konfoo | umn.. lol.. you know about mapserver then? | 20:15 |
| timeless | dunno, i think perhaps every M thinks it's UofM :) | 20:15 |
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| Tak|work | hmm - freecol looks like it would be a great IT game if we had java | 20:16 |
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| timeless | anyway, looks like i'm wrong about UofM, oh well :) | 20:16 |
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| timeless | You are currently using 2759 MB (98%) of your 2819 MB. | 20:18 |
| timeless | ouch | 20:18 |
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| Tak|work | aww, I'm only at 15% - I guess I need to subscribe lkml or something | 20:18 |
| timeless | bugzilla works wonders | 20:18 |
| timeless | 'course, it helps to get bugmail for all changes to all public bugs | 20:19 |
| timeless | at this rate, i'm gauranteed to run out long before april :( | 20:19 |
| timeless | mid march if i'm really lucky | 20:19 |
| * jaeku is scared to look at the os2007 app list | 20:20 | |
| disq | at 38% here | 20:21 |
| disq | i had 5000 messages from lkml it was 45%-ish | 20:21 |
| disq | then i unsubscribed and purged them all | 20:21 |
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| maddler | back | 20:26 |
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| rhsanborn | What client do you you guys use for vid chat? | 20:36 |
| Sulis | anyone think it's worth paying extra for a class 6 sdhc card than a class 2 sdhc card? | 20:37 |
| Com1 | i installed the FM prog for the n800, i can't find it to load it up | 20:38 |
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| Tak|work | desktop applets menu? | 20:39 |
| rhsanborn | Com1, its only a desktop applet | 20:39 |
| Com1 | huh? i can't find it | 20:40 |
| melmoth | you can launch it from an xterm as well. | 20:40 |
| Com1 | i downloaded it | 20:40 |
| Com1 | i don't have xterm | 20:40 |
| ferulo | ey, can anyone here upload a video to youtube? | 20:40 |
| Com1 | :p | 20:40 |
| sbaturzio | Com1: select an applet from "desktop" | 20:40 |
| * melmoth could not live wihtout a shell. | 20:40 | |
| ferulo | http://www.gnome.org/~fherrera/fridayvideo1.ogg | 20:40 |
| rhsanborn | Go to the desktop and tap the home menu up top | 20:41 |
| sbaturzio | Com1: you should see a list of available applets, fm radio is in it | 20:41 |
| ferulo | I don't know if youtube understand theora videos... I can provide an avi version of it | 20:41 |
| rhsanborn | I wish unzip was available :( | 20:42 |
| Tak|work | it is | 20:42 |
| Sulis | lol, in xterm | 20:42 |
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| rhsanborn | Gunzip is in xterm. Unzip didn't work for me | 20:43 |
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| Tak|work | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/mistral/free/u/unzip/unzip_5.52-10_armel.deb | 20:44 |
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| rhsanborn | Thx Tak|work | 20:46 |
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| Com1 | Great.thnks Sbaturzio | 20:46 |
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| jaeku | is there a channel for s60 related topics? | 21:03 |
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| MDK | s60? | 21:04 |
| jtra | cool, this prank works with 770 too, http://koolestone.blogspot.com/2007/02/if-you-are-sitting-next-to-someone-who.html | 21:04 |
| jaeku | symbian os7~ | 21:05 |
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| tko | MDK, Series 60 | 21:08 |
| jaeku | i want to know hwo much control you have over the bluetooth interface... i want to write a HID bluetooth keyboard for it | 21:08 |
| rhsanborn | I know that someone had ported vim to the 770. Anyone know if it works on the 800? | 21:09 |
| jaeku | i have my phone with me all the time, and i type like a demon with it, so i want to use it as a keyboard for my 770 | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | rhsanborn: yep | 21:09 |
| rhsanborn | mgedmin, thx. Know if its avail viia maemo garage? Or should i just google it? | 21:10 |
| keesj | jaeku: that should farely easy | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | rhsanborn: I built a vim package with all the bells and whistles (but it weighs 20 megs when installed) | 21:12 |
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| keesj | but if you want to use the phone as keyboard and it implements hid you don't need any programming | 21:13 |
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| mgedmin | rhsanborn: wait 5 minutes and you'll find a .install file at https://downloads.maemo.org/product/vim | 21:13 |
| rhsanborn | Thx mgedmin. What kinds of bells and whistles? (I'm using a 1GB mem card atm) | 21:14 |
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| c0ffee | disq, that is incomplete | 21:14 |
| c0ffee | disq, and i want to verify whether the official is too | 21:14 |
| jaeku | keesj: well, that is the problem... what phone out there lets you use its keyboard as a HID keyboard? none that i know of. | 21:15 |
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| mgedmin | rhsanborn: syntax highlighting, online help, UTF-8 support, file explorer, xterm mouse support | 21:16 |
| Paavo | jaeku: you could try #symbian, but that's mostly populated by really bitter Symbian C++ developers :) | 21:17 |
| rhsanborn | I might have to go dl the dev package to port latex and stuff as well | 21:17 |
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| jaeku | Paavo: ah, thanks | 21:18 |
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| rhsanborn | Thx so much mgedmin | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | just built it for os2006 too | 21:25 |
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| mgedmin | why did I assume it took 20 megs? only about 6 | 21:29 |
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| rhsanborn | Perfect. I'm building my app list so that i can take notes and write reports | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | downloads.maemo.org is STUPID | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | looks like it picks image scaling factors randomly | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | look at https://downloads.maemo.org/product/vim and https://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-mapper | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | three different scale factors for the images | 21:33 |
| Tak|work | nice | 21:33 |
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| Tak|work | submit a bug | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | most interestingly, when I uploaded the first vim screenshot, it was scaled down to 240x144, when I uploaded the second, both were scaled to 800x480 | 21:34 |
| * mgedmin goes to the tracker | 21:35 | |
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| mgedmin | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=484&group_id=106&atid=457 | 21:39 |
| * mgedmin hates sourceforge and its clones | 21:39 | |
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| Jaffa | Gah, something keeps segfaulting maemo-mapper. | 21:44 |
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| dolfun | i'm surprised a mapper works well with the memory limits | 21:46 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I hope you are using the official :p | 21:50 |
| keesj | but that said I have use mud's maemo-mapper with no problem | 21:51 |
| RobHu | I'd like to build a new kernel that supports SDHC, and put all this on a SDHC card (so as not to fsck over the OS in ROM). Could someone please point me to where I might RTFM? :-) | 21:52 |
| keesj | Canola has bigger UI problems then the default maemo apps. | 21:53 |
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| Tak|work | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html | 21:53 |
| RobHu | Tak|work: Thankyou | 21:53 |
| keesj | every time I press something it's a supprise what will happen. but it does look nice and upnp works better alright | 21:54 |
| RobHu | Tak|work: Do you know where the appropriate SDHC foo is? I heard there was a kernel patch, but that also the latest kernel might have that patch in it. | 21:54 |
| Tak|work | sorry, no | 21:54 |
| Tak|work | someone's built a sdhc-enabled kernel, though | 21:55 |
| RobHu | ah | 21:55 |
| keesj | jaeku: I use kbdd for my non hid keyboard , | 21:55 |
| RobHu | I would just like sdhc with ext3 (I assume I want ext3 and not ext2) | 21:55 |
| RobHu | Do you happen to have a link Tak|work ? | 21:55 |
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| Tak|work | http://intr.overt.org/blog/ | 21:57 |
| RobHu | Thanks | 21:58 |
| RobHu | Has anyone had any experience using ext2 vs ext3 on the N770 or N800? | 22:04 |
| Tak|work | afaict, the general consensus is ext3 bad for flash | 22:05 |
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| sonarmtl | hi guys what is the default root password? | 22:09 |
| RobHu | rootme | 22:09 |
| sonarmtl | doesn't accept it... | 22:10 |
| sonarmtl | 3.2006.49-9 | 22:10 |
| RobHu | I only know that as it's what it is on my N800 | 22:11 |
| Tak|work | I just use `sudo gainroot` on the 770 | 22:12 |
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| c0ffee | the default su isn't suid root | 22:13 |
| c0ffee | you have to apply the one or the other trick to get root | 22:13 |
| bipolar | RobHu: I would not use EXT3... the journaling won't gain you much. | 22:15 |
| RobHu | If it crashes it will recover more quickly though? | 22:16 |
| c0ffee | jffs2 is a journaled fs as well | 22:21 |
| c0ffee | and in contrast to ext3 it won't wear out your flash in no time | 22:22 |
| bipolar | c0ffee: if the noatime option is used, ext won't wear it out fast either... | 22:22 |
| c0ffee | hum | 22:23 |
| c0ffee | all it needs is a single sector it writes often | 22:23 |
| c0ffee | and i bet you have that with or without noatime | 22:23 |
| RobHu | From what I've read jffs2 is very slow on the N800 on account of it being a compressed file system | 22:23 |
| c0ffee | compression is optional on jffs2 | 22:24 |
| c0ffee | and at least on the 770, it wasn't used | 22:24 |
| Veggen | uh? | 22:24 |
| RobHu | I wonder if modern flash cards do write levelling? | 22:24 |
| bipolar | jffs requires an mtd device..... is the sd card read as an mtd device? | 22:24 |
| keesj | memory type device? | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | ah, you want to access the sd card | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | there you don't have direct access to the flash (i.e. mtd device) anyway | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | and the sd card does do wear leveling | 22:25 |
| alp | RobHu: even better, if both the device and software do write levelling, they can act to cancel out the effects of each other | 22:25 |
| RobHu | alp: Yeah, well obviously I don't want that :-) | 22:26 |
| RobHu | So it would be good to know if my card has write levelling or not | 22:26 |
| bipolar | on the internal flash the only thing you want to run is jffs2. you can't replace it if it wears out :p | 22:27 |
| bipolar | RobHu: you want to move your root file system to the SD card, right? | 22:27 |
| RobHu | This is a shiny new 8GB card :-) | 22:27 |
| RobHu | bipolar: Yes | 22:27 |
| bipolar | RobHu: ok. first, upgrade your kernel so you can read the card. | 22:27 |
| alp | i was going to say that i assume removable storage does it in hardware because it's usually formatted to vfat, but that gives the vendors too much credit | 22:28 |
| bipolar | RobHu: then put the card in a reader on a pc so you can repartition it. (partitioning on the nokia is a major PITA) | 22:28 |
| RobHu | I'm a bit worried about bricking it by upgrading the kernel. So my plan was to first get it running of a different 1GB card, then when that works with the new kernel sort out the 8GB card | 22:28 |
| bipolar | RobHu: my understanding is that flashing the kernel with the USB connection is not very dangerous. the bootloader that does the flashing loads before the kernel, so if it doesn't work you can just reflash. | 22:29 |
| bipolar | RobHu: I reflashed mine just to get the higher speed sd bus. | 22:29 |
| RobHu | oh right ok | 22:30 |
| RobHu | bipolar: Which kernel did you use? I'm wondering if I should use the kernel from http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=44 | 22:30 |
| bipolar | RobHu: thats the one I installed. | 22:31 |
| * bipolar is on the phone | 22:31 | |
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| RobHu | Hmm it says Suitable USB device not found, waiting ... perhaps I have to put it in some kind of mode first | 22:39 |
| Tak|work | you are reading the instructions, correct? | 22:40 |
| RobHu | I figured it out :) | 22:42 |
| RobHu | Looks like that worked | 22:42 |
| RobHu | bipolar: What result do you get from uname -a? | 22:45 |
| |tbb| | could anyone help me? | 22:45 |
| RobHu | |tbb|: Whats the problem? | 22:47 |
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| RobHu | wah! It doesnt charge from USB and I left the power adapter at work :( | 22:47 |
| RobHu | also now my internal flash card is not mounted :S | 22:48 |
| |tbb| | i would like to softpower of my c1000 and push it on via script | 22:48 |
| |tbb| | is that possible? | 22:48 |
| RobHu | What are the paths to the cards? | 22:48 |
| RobHu | aha, found them | 22:49 |
| RobHu | Is /dev/mmcblk1* the second mmc card? (the external one?) | 22:50 |
| RobHu | It would appear it is | 22:53 |
| Veggen | it is. | 22:56 |
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| Veggen | somewhat illogical, it's mounted at /media/mmc1, while the internal (first) is at /media/mmc2 | 22:56 |
| RobHu | I believe ext3 has some advantages over ext2. I wonder what option is required to disable the journal... | 22:57 |
| Tak|work | ext3 is only ext2 + journal | 22:57 |
| tko | 770 only had external mmc and it was in /media/mmc1... | 22:57 |
| Veggen | sure. for backward compatibility, it's sort of good. | 22:57 |
| Veggen | but looking at the N800 in itself, maybe not :) I might even like /media/internal and /media/external | 22:58 |
| RobHu | ext3 is more than just ext2 + journal, that used to be the case but it hasn't been true for a long time | 22:58 |
| RobHu | That's why ext2 undelete utilities dont work for instance | 22:58 |
| RobHu | ext3 has features like dir_index that ext2 doesn't have too | 22:59 |
| BrianRice | none of these are really going to pay off on a flash drive | 22:59 |
| BrianRice | (re: ext3) | 22:59 |
| bipolar | RobHu: Sorry... was afk for a while | 23:00 |
| RobHu | bipolar: Given that I can read the 8gb card I assume what I did worked :) | 23:00 |
| bipolar | RobHu: awesome :) | 23:00 |
| RobHu | BrianRice: Yes, but are there other improvements to the ext3 codebase over the ext2 code? If ext2 really is just ext3 without a journal then I have nothing to lose by creating ext3 without a journal. | 23:01 |
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| bipolar | RobHu: afaik, ext2 and ext3 share code. | 23:01 |
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| bipolar | RobHu: maybe I'm wrong :\ | 23:02 |
| RobHu | I think they do too | 23:02 |
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| RobHu | Probably there is almost no difference between using ext2 and ext3 sans journal | 23:02 |
| RobHu | Hmm | 23:02 |
| RobHu | I'm not sure this new kernel supports ext3 :'( | 23:02 |
| bipolar | I used ext2. I never tried 3 | 23:03 |
| * RobHu stops trying to do fancy things | 23:04 | |
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| RobHu | bipolar: does uname - a give you Linux Nokia-N800-51 2.6.18-omap1 #3 Tue Feb 6 22:30:15 PST 2007 armv6l unknown | 23:12 |
| bipolar | RobHu: Linux Nokia-N800-51 2.6.18-omap1 #3 Tue Feb 6 22:30:15 PST 2007 armv6l unknown | 23:12 |
| bipolar | yep | 23:12 |
| bipolar | exact same kernel | 23:12 |
| RobHu | hmm | 23:13 |
| jaeku | anyone here know about the steps i would need to take to attempt to get an internship at nokia in the summer for someone that lives abroad? | 23:13 |
| glas5 | nokias recry system most probably | 23:13 |
| glas5 | just google nokia + internship | 23:14 |
| glas5 | if you really want to.. :) | 23:14 |
| jaeku | ok | 23:15 |
| RobHu | boom | 23:15 |
| RobHu | Reboot | 23:15 |
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| jaeku | hmm, not just nokia but the maemo team? | 23:15 |
| RobHu | while running mkfs.ext2 on the 8gb card | 23:15 |
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| glas5 | well if they have such positions you would apply to them probably through nokias career/recry thing | 23:16 |
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| jaeku | ah, alright | 23:17 |
| RobHu | The reboot is not encouraging :S | 23:17 |
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| RobHu | Hmm.. after mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc running mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 results in mount: Mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 failed: Invalid argument | 23:19 |
| RobHu | It's like the kernel doesnt know what ext2 is | 23:19 |
| robster | alp: howdy | 23:20 |
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| RobHu | Could someone who has the stock kernel please post uname -a ? | 23:20 |
| alp | robster: yo | 23:20 |
| robster | alp: you are rarely on jabber | 23:21 |
| alp | i am on right now | 23:21 |
| alp | alp [at] ndesk [dot] org | 23:21 |
| robster | yes, i have you on my OH, roster | 23:21 |
| alp | hmm, i see other OH people online | 23:22 |
| robster | alp: yes, but i assume they have their OH computer plugged in and turned on? | 23:23 |
| MDK | ferulo: man, the music is creepy | 23:23 |
| alp | robster: it does help :-) | 23:23 |
| ferulo | MDK: it is not! | 23:24 |
| MDK | ferulo: it's scary dude ;) | 23:24 |
| MDK | david lynch | 23:24 |
| MDK | too much david lynch ferulo | 23:25 |
| ferulo | MDK: it's julio medem film | 23:26 |
| ferulo | http://imdb.com/title/tt0133363/ | 23:26 |
| MDK | btw, are you the copyright owner? ;) | 23:27 |
| MDK | I'll send riaa after you | 23:27 |
| RobHu | No one got a stock kernel to hand? | 23:27 |
| RobHu | bipolar: So what did you do to mount your ext2 partition? | 23:28 |
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| ferulo | MDK: http://imdb.com/title/tt0133363/soundtrack | 23:29 |
| ferulo | MDK: search fi.wikipedia.org for The Harmony Sisters | 23:30 |
| ferulo | it's a pre-50s recording | 23:30 |
| ferulo | so no copyright over the recording :) | 23:30 |
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| MDK | http://creativefriday.com/Parallels_Coherence.mp4 | 23:31 |
| MDK | this is cool | 23:31 |
| MDK | running win32 inside mac osx | 23:31 |
| MDK | win32 apps that is | 23:32 |
| MDK | using a "hidden" virtual machine | 23:32 |
| pahartik | RobHu: "Linux kovu 2.6.16.27-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 29 16:29:50 EET 2006 armv5tejl unknown" | 23:33 |
| pahartik | RobHu: "insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext2.ko" | 23:34 |
| bipolar | RobHu: I followed the directions at.... | 23:34 |
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| bipolar | RobHu: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 23:35 |
| RobHu | pahartik: Thanks - the insmod wont work for me because I have a different kernel | 23:36 |
| bipolar | RobHu: I also did it over a ssh login... using the xterm is painful without a keyboard. :p | 23:36 |
| pahartik | RobHu: And apparently different hardware... | 23:36 |
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| RobHu | bipolar: Yes, I'm using ssh :-) Could you possibly tell me what you get when you do this: ls -l /mnt/initfs/lib/modules ? | 23:37 |
| bipolar | RobHu: yes... I ran into that too. don't use the 'current' link. :) | 23:38 |
| bipolar | RobHu: just replace 'current' with '2.6.18-omap1' in the commands. I don't know why it's broken | 23:39 |
| RobHu | bipolar: current on my n800 is a symlink to the only directory on there | 23:39 |
| RobHu | hmm | 23:39 |
| bipolar | yes. something is wrong with it. maybe its a problem with the shell. I dunno. I just left it as it was and used the directory. | 23:39 |
| RobHu | bipolar: So you're using ext2 on it now? Could you lsmod and check it lists ext2? | 23:40 |
| RobHu | I dont think the kernel I have has ext2 support, and the modules dont load with this kernel. | 23:40 |
| bipolar | RobHu: yes. the ext2 module is loaded. | 23:41 |
| RobHu | How odd! | 23:41 |
| RobHu | bipolar: Could you give me your df lines for /dev/mmcbl* please? | 23:41 |
| RobHu | or | 23:41 |
| RobHu | better yet, mount | 23:41 |
| bipolar | /dev/mmcblk0p2 on / type ext2 (rw,noatime) | 23:42 |
| bipolar | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,ro,nosuid,nodev,noexec,sync,noatime,nodiratime) | 23:42 |
| RobHu | grr :-) | 23:43 |
| RobHu | what about: ls -l /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ext2.ko ? | 23:43 |
| bipolar | rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 60811 Dec 19 11:56 /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ext2.ko | 23:43 |
| RobHu | omg | 23:43 |
| RobHu | What am I doing wrong? | 23:43 |
| RobHu | Perhaps I need to load something before ext2 | 23:43 |
| bipolar | what doesn insmod tell you? | 23:44 |
| RobHu | arg | 23:44 |
| RobHu | I needed mbcache | 23:44 |
| RobHu | bipolar: Thanks for all that ) | 23:44 |
| RobHu | :-) | 23:44 |
| bipolar | RobHu: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card << last line :) | 23:45 |
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| RobHu | lol | 23:46 |
| bipolar | has anyone gotten the media apps on the 800 to read files from a mythtv box? | 23:46 |
| RobHu | RTFM! | 23:46 |
| bipolar | I have mythtv, the 800 sees the server, but doesn't show anything shared on it. | 23:46 |
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| RobHu | Interesting. My new shiny 8GB sdhc card is about 15% slower than the old 1GB SD card | 23:48 |
| bipolar | thats not good :\ | 23:50 |
| bipolar | RobHu: how are you measuring the speed? | 23:50 |
| RobHu | bipolar: time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null bs=8192 count=10240 for read speed | 23:50 |
| RobHu | heh, just copied things over from one card to the other. They have the same stuff on, now one says used 44%, and the other used 5% >.< | 23:54 |
| bipolar | RobHu: :) | 23:54 |
| RobHu | Very swish | 23:55 |
| RobHu | I may well use the 1GB one for the OS and so on, and use the 8GB one for mp3s and such :-) | 23:55 |
| bipolar | I gotta get one of those huge cards... just for the heck of it. 2GB isn't big enough :) | 23:55 |
| bipolar | RobHu: why not get 2 8GB ones? the external slot will read them too :) | 23:56 |
| bipolar | I only have 1.3GB left! omg! | 23:56 |
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| RobHu | hehe :-) | 23:56 |
| RobHu | I just bought 8GB one (which is in the external slot) to see if it would work | 23:57 |
| bipolar | ah | 23:57 |
| RobHu | I thought I'd feel pretty silly buying two, and then finding out it didn't work for some reason | 23:57 |
| bipolar | gotcha | 23:57 |
| RobHu | I'm not sure I can envisage a use for > 9GB atm anyway :-) | 23:57 |
| RobHu | a /reasonable/ use ;-) | 23:57 |
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| RobHu | Might as well wait until the 16GB ones come out | 23:57 |
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