IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-02-14

Michaelok me again00:00
Michaelcan you install the os from a 770 on a 80000:00
c0ffeeinstall? yes :)00:01
Michaelwill it work though?00:01
Michaelso i can put the os on it but i cant use it right?00:01
c0ffeethe hardware is just different00:03
c0ffeein contrast to a normal linux, the itos doesn't come with a whole bunch of drivers but just those required for the specific device00:03
tkojobi, anyway, I was thinking you could possibly use render extension to paint tinted background for the applet without needing to move pixels back and forth00:03
garrettjobi: nifty!00:04
Michaelright... but the hardware on the 800 is that much different? that it wouldn't work at all?00:04
garrettisnt't that a bit large though?00:04
jobitko: yes i think so too00:04
jobigarrett: yes00:05
tigertjobi: actually that looks nice too in a way00:05
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tigertmaybe it should be ~1/4 off the left top00:05
tigertand be larger00:05
tigert(the weather icon)00:05
tigertbut do it like I mockupped first00:05
tigertbut its worth thinking00:06
roopeoo. :) it's transparent.00:06
tigertlike this00:06
tigertgarrett: load it in the device00:07
tigertgarrett: on your big screen it looks always too big00:07
tkohmm.. :)00:07
tigertone tends to design too small UI elements00:07
garrettyeah, I agree about that -- but it seems too large percentage wise00:07
tigerttko: yea, but mine looks way better00:07
* tigert ducks :)00:07
garrettthe applets on my device are too large, for instance00:07
tigertgarrett: yeah00:07
tigertits huge00:07
tigertbut its a demo00:07
tigertgot to make a smaller variant00:07
tigertnow if this was svg and completely scalable... ;)00:08
tkotigert, of course :)00:08
tigertit would wrok though00:08
tigertas one could just render it to bitmap once00:08
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tigertjobi: nice00:08
jobiclock looks a bit tiny in comparison00:08
tigertmake a bigger clock :)00:09
garrettyeah, the weather dwarfs the clock00:09
tigertI'll make you a smaller one00:09
tigertone sec00:09
roopeyou could combine them. :)00:09
roopeSo tha6t the clock face is the blog in the weather thing. ;)00:09
roope¨the blob.00:09
roopeAnyways I think the clock is quite ok size in the actual device.00:10
roopeThat weather is a bit big now. :)00:10
jobiclock was made with bora API, wonder if we could get it released for N800 or even opened00:10
jobiit may be violating Ãpatents though, like "showing the time with 2 hands, a short and a long one"00:11
tigertjobi: haha00:13
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roopewould the top right corner ... you can put something there.00:13
roopeYou could put the sun or clouds shining out of that corner. :)00:14
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roopelike when kids draw a sun on paper corner.00:14
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jobii can try to make the background adapt to the size of the label tomorrow00:14
Mike-disconnectesorry got disconnected00:14
tigertjobi: can you do so that you tile the bg to the width of the weathericon + text?00:15
jobioff to bed for now, thanks tigert for the graphics00:15
jobitigert: yes00:15
tigert[ |__| ]00:15
tigertlike this00:15
tigertI can cut it up for you but it should be easy to get it from the pic too00:15
tigertjust take enough of the ends so the gradient works00:15
tigertthe center part should be tileable00:15
tigertnight from here too :)00:15
tkoI hate you guys. I need to get a transfer to the eye candy team too :)00:16
jobitko: you can make a backgroundable GtkTreeView ;)00:16
* tko kicks jobi 00:16
tigerttko: we all are the eye candy team00:16
tigerttko: a lot to do in various places00:17
roopeSome smooth animations to the treeview focus.00:17
tkofrom what I can tell some guys are doing nothing but, while we're mostly trying to get rid of glitches here and there :-/00:17
tigerto/~ Unsuck my GTK+, I can't take it anymore... o/~00:17
garretttigert: seriously00:18
garrettI've had to feel the pain of GTK+ theme suckage lately here too00:18
tigertgtk needs to adapt to 2000's00:18
tigertits too boxy and all animations etc are a royal pain in the ass00:18
axiquetko after some minor problems it works perfect now. Thanks again00:20
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Jaffalle2: hey, I'm about to head off to bed, but shout on the mailing list - sb2 stuff sounds interesting but I've made no attempt to try it at all00:21
tigertokay. good night!00:21
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Guardiananyone familiar with the pixmap/pixbuf engine ?00:23
Guardianis it possible to paint a widget with a sub region of a whole png file ? the motivation is to pack all pngs into a single big file00:24
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roope  ms isn't too hot on eyecandy. :)00:25
roope(if that is seriously their latest and greatest mobile phone ui)00:26
littlefaeWhere's the old wishlist gone? :/00:26
maddlerroope: that's very BAD!00:27
roopeWell, it's not bad, but it looks exactly like it has looked for years now.00:28
maddlerseeing WM running on a palm!00:28
roopeOh, that. :D00:28
maddlerroope: yep!00:28
maddlerpalm is long gone...00:28
* littlefae nods.00:28
maddlerthey are announcing a "new OS version" since I think 3 years or so...00:28
maddlerI mean PalmOS00:28
maddlerin the meantime PalmOS 5 is almost what it was 10 yrs ago...00:29
maddlertko: LOL!00:29
maddlerI've always avoided buying WM handelds...00:30
maddlerand got stuck with Palm...00:30
maddleruntil 770 release! ;)00:30
maddlerand that *really* changed my life! :D00:30
Mike-disconnecteyeah but with WM its easier to use00:30
littlefaeNo-one knows then? :p00:30
Mike-disconnectethe 800 is a pain in the ass to install anything00:31
maddlerMike-disconnecte: ultil when you don't start having problems...00:31
littlefaeOr, do I need to be flagged as 'voiced' before I can be even heard? :/  I never can tell in IRC00:31
maddlerMike-disconnecte: maybe... but being a long time linux user... ;)00:31
c0ffeelittlefae, no00:31
c0ffeelittlefae, we hear you00:31
maddlerI feel *SO* comfortable with package manager...00:31
Mike-disconnecteyeah i guess00:31
maddlerlittlefae: no... I can't read you...00:31
Mike-disconnectefor me who is a long time windows user and a linux user for only 2 weeks00:31
Mike-disconnecteit makes it harder00:32
littlefaeOh, just being ignored? :p  Thanks, I'll remember not to be so polite in future to you guys then..00:32
maddlercould you pleas try hitting ALT+F4 or CTRL+W?00:32
maddlerlittlefae: man... calm down...00:32
maddlerjust give us the time to notice your question...00:32
maddlerit's almost midnight... and *maybe* we are not to... hmmm... smart...00:33
JaffaMike-disconnecte: having (potentially) all the available software accessible through one interface sure should be confusing if your experience is limited to the "wonderful" world of Windows package management.00:33
littlefaeI'm calm, just intolerant of rude, ignorant people.  And noticing a question that has since scrolled off the screen seems difficult.00:33
maddlerlittlefae: go to wiki tab...00:33 does make it so much easier00:33
Jaffalittlefae: it'd also help if you were a) more explicit; b) confirmed it wasn't where it always was.00:33
maddlerlittlefae: I don't feel rude nor intollerant...00:33
maddlerif no one answered your question *maybe* simply no one noticed it...00:34
maddlerlittlefae: not because ignoring you...00:34
maddlerlittlefae: all of us are here to have fun... and to talk with other maemo users...00:34
littlefaeJaffa: Til the redesign from what it was, to what it is, I found the Wishlist through the Applications tab, along with WIP and App catalog 2006.00:34
Jaffalittlefae: For example, I just typed into my browser and it worked straight off. You're the one now being rude because people don't act like a search engine.00:34
c0ffeeah, flame time [tm] :)00:35
littlefaeI did a search on the site, it came up with garbage00:35
c0ffeeand i nearly went off to bed00:35
Jaffalittlefae: "what it was to what it is"?00:35
c0ffeethe wishlist is even linked from the frontpage!00:35
littlefaeYeah, used to be easy to find stuff, now its more like sourceforge.net00:35
Jaffalittlefae: and both look the same to me.00:35
maddlerJaffa: something like "caught somewhere in time" :)00:35
Jaffalittlefae: eh? can you give URLs, it's going to be a lot clearer00:36
Jaffac0ffee: I'm ill, I've got a doctor's note giving me permission ;-)00:36
c0ffeeJaffa, if you have an old account, then the wiki looks like *buargh* once you're logged in00:36
* maddler thinks that people keep complaining if they don't find readymade recipes...00:36
littlefaeI just remember maemo being a slow to load list of apps, at one point, now its all divided into sections with per-port pages.  Useful I guess, but missing the links I used to use.  Thankfully the old page is still listed as a link in my bookmarks. :D00:37
c0ffeereadymade recipes that have all information in the first two paragraphs00:37
maddlerlittlefae: as I said already go to "WIKI" tab...00:37
c0ffeebecause nobody reads more :)00:37
littlefaeI found it now, thanks. :)00:37
maddlerlittlefae: and from there you can go to applications and wish list... but... WAIT!00:37
littlefaeJaffa gave me the link. :)00:37
maddlerlittlefae: aren't you reading my answers?!00:37
maddlerlittlefae: damn... that's rude!00:38
littlefaeI read it, unlike you, and acknowledged, unlike you, well, until I complained.00:38
maddleroooh... I see...00:38
Jaffalittlefae: IRC is not a support channel.00:38
dolfunmain contrib non-free illegal00:38
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JaffaMike-disconnecte: hell, I hope you're joking about Windows' package management. Where's the dependency tracking? Where's the list of all the packages which can be installed? Where's the ability to upgrade my installed apps to their latest versions?00:39
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maddlerJaffa: you can even install apps on WM?! :O00:40
Jaffalittlefae: No-one answered you because 1) people were involved in more interesting discussions; 2) it was a foolish question which searching on or - always a first stop - Google could've answered more quickly.00:40
Jaffamaddler: I assume Mike-disconnecte meant XP/Vista ;-)00:40
Jaffalittlefae: e.g.
JaffaTop result :-)00:41
maddlerJaffa: oh... yes... it *could* be possible to install something...00:41
c0ffeei answered :(00:41
c0ffeeit's rude not to credit my supportful answer00:41
littlefaeI did three searches, through, not google I'll admit, all I got were a list of posts people had made.  I wouldn't have asked otherwise.00:41
maddlerJaffa: beside not being able to access it... :)00:41
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littlefaeNot my fault if the sites built-in search can't find it, is it?00:42
JaffaNot at all00:42
littlefaeBut you'd rather I go somewhere else to ask, when it fails?00:43
JaffaWell, I always try Google before asking any question; but maybe that's just me.00:44
JaffaAnd I'm sure no-one here doesn't want more contributors and conversationalists. But a confrontational "why won't people help me... bah" is just going to rub people up the wrong way.00:44
littlefaeI always preferred to use a sites own search tool.  Been my experience that google chucks up 5000 more answers, before the one I'm after, on the screen00:44
maddleras old Raymond says:
JaffaThe wonders of precise searching, I think. Whatever I'm searching for, if Google knows the answer (which it doesn't for some of the esoteric AS/400 stuff I need to know) it's usually returned on the front page00:45
littlefaeI didn't 'moan' about people not helping me, in fact I asked if I was being heard, because some channels, as I'm told, won't let you be heard til you are voiced.  I'm something of an IRC simpleton, I have no idea what its features are.  Now, I apologise if that sounded rude to you, I really am.  But at the same time I would've thought people would be polite enough to acknowledge someone else, even if they don't care, or00:47
Piolittlefae, welcome to irc ;)00:47
maddlerlittlefae: ACK00:47
littlefaeLet me guess, sending more than one line of text is wrong too? :/00:47
maddlerlittlefae: ACK00:47
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Jaffalittlefae: I got 7 lines and, for the record, I think "<littlefae> I'm calm, just intolerant of rude, ignorant people." *is* rude - but I apologise if I'm being over-sensitive.00:48
Com1just got my N800. It's great00:48
JaffaCom1 : cool. Has it randomly rebooted yet? :)00:48
Com1i heard about that.00:49
Com1not yet00:49
JaffaAh well, hopefully the fix'll be out before it does.00:49
littlefaeMy apologies.  I was brought up to think ignorance is rude.00:49
maddlerCom1: welcome home! :D00:50
Com1I did have problems with the Calibration utility not working OOB00:50
Com1i had to reflash it OOB00:50
Com1not a good start...but00:50
Com1so good after that00:50
maddlerJaffa: mine only rebooted once or twice since when I have it...00:50
Jaffalittlefae: IRC is a chaotic medium made of many simulataneous conversations. People will only get involved with one if they're bored, they're interested or it's quiet. Taking it personally when you ask an uninteresting question at a busy time is just going to make you unhappy most of the time.00:51
Jaffamaddler: mine seemed to go through a phase: it had a day of a number of reboots, but has seemed much better since.00:51
maddlerJaffa: to much coffee?00:51
Jaffamaddler: There's such a thing?00:51
maddlerapt-get install toomuchcaffeine00:52
Com1HEY EVERYONE! LOTS of Info here!  #Maeomo LOGS!    ---->
littlefaeDoesn't matter, seems like I should probably just go, before I get anyone elses backs up. :/00:52
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maddlerwill cause frequent reboots!00:52
maddlerCom1: :)00:52
maddlerbtw... in the meantime just undestood what caused kismet_server premature death... :)00:52
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maddlerit was cause my wlan auto connect...00:53
maddlerI was too focused on kismet... and never considered that...00:53
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* Jaffa beds01:00
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tigertwow, daily source code mentios N80001:02
maddlerJaffa: bye! :D01:03
maddlertigert: lier! you said you were goint to bed too! :D01:03
Veggentigert: will your theme with the cache actually make things go faster?01:03
Com1my N800 is new apps01:06
Com1WSOD looms01:06
maddlerCom1: that's NO good... :(01:06
Takaww, I missed the flamewar01:06
Com1my IRIVER PMP-120 is *nix hacked apps ever came out for that01:07
maddlerTak: I can start trolling if it can help...01:07
VeggenWSOD? on N800?01:07
Com1yeah. heard about it01:07
maddlerCom1: it was the same  on other Linux based devices... 770/N800 are somehow different...01:07 will show you01:08
maddlerbeing released from Nokia I think gave users a different feeling...01:08
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maddlerand being able to get so many informations on how to "hack" helped a lot as well...01:08
maddlerCom1: what's zophar?01:09
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Com1losts of Emulators for all kinds of devices..even run an emulator on Calculators01:10
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maddlerCom1: nice... nice..01:12
tigertmaddler: I am in bed :)01:14
maddlertigert: oh... sorry then... :)01:14
maddlerMike-disconnecte: Wite Screen Of Death01:18
maddlerok... time to hit the bed here...01:19
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Com1kill app skype/voip01:24
Com1as long as you have free  wifi01:24
Com1not used to this01:29
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Com1only one op here. ChanServ01:29
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Com1ok. is ssh working on n80001:44
Com1ssh client01:44
Com1I would love to try the "Boot from MMC/SD hack"01:45
Com1seems pretty complicated01:45
Com1wish N800 had Midi01:47
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Com1<Sulis> is the n800 better than the sony mylo? i don't even know if the mylo is released yet...01:49
Com1mylo is a piece of crap01:49
Com1in my opinion N800 is better than Sony's UXP01:50
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matt_cdoes anyone know off the top where maemo stores its POI db?01:55
sp3000kulve: guess what, osso_mime_open_file(...); sleep(5);01:56
matt_cahh got it (~/MyDocs/.documents/poi.db)01:56
* sp3000 is amused01:56
sp3000that would probably make sense if I knew some dbus01:57
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myrensony's uxp's run real operating systems, iirc02:11
sp3000hrm, who do I bug to get fixed02:21
sp3000unpacked source browses better02:21
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ocnarfid8N800 NYC Launch Party was fun.04:41
ocnarfid8Will post pictures shortly.04:41
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ocnarfid8N800 Launch Party (in NYC):
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myrenlaunch some to Denver07:18
myrenwe're fucking dry07:18
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Markovhey. how do i select stuff in the browser?08:18
roopetap, tap and drag.08:20
roopeso like tap+release+tap same position+drag.08:20
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Markovokay.let me try that08:21
roopeIt's a "bit" tricky at first.08:23
Markovthat's kind of hard08:24
roopeIt was thought to be a rare use case. And we didn't want modes to the browser.08:26
tigertroope, btw. i managed to move a flickr picture note with the same method. :)08:28
tigertonce. ;)08:29
Markovis there a way to bring up the thumb pad without hitting the field with your finger?08:36
Markovare these answers in a manual or some08:37
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Markovwhat's frestonfire?08:44
tigertmarkov, there is a setting08:49
tigertin keyboard prefs08:49
cambbais there sshfs package for n800? I know one exists for 770, but instructions for n800 are little bit different (needs compiling with some patch)08:49
tigertin the tab that is not visible by default08:50
Tak|770it's like a gpl guitar hero that you play with kb08:50
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tigertmarkov, "open with rocker key" or smthg08:50
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sxpertI want that :D
Markovthanks tigert!08:55
tigertthen it pops up with the middle key09:05
bergieSome maemo apps have a "breadcrumb trail". Is there a widget for using it in your own apps?09:14
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tkobergie, not a common one yet.. MDK is going to be looking into 'widgetising' the ones we have to hildon-1 :)09:17
tigerttko: maybe those could be put in sardine into a libunstablecrap ?09:18
tigertso that people in the community could build and use them (when possible) in current devices too?09:18
* tigert wonders how much overhead that would mean09:19
tkotigert, maybe. good idea, need to think about it09:19
tigertthis way we could collaborate more with the community, and people wouldnt have to make this on/off decision about sardine09:19
tigertbecause it doesnt make much sense to depend on sardine for an end user app right now09:20
tigertyet if those widgets were available as "backported unstable crap" for bora, that would be useful09:20
tigertsince people could start using them and we'd get feedback09:20
tigertbergie: what do you have in mind btw?09:20
tigertdid you see Adam Curry mentioned N800 and GPS in his podcast?09:21
tkoheck, I could even put my carousel thingamagic there.. currently the only copy is on my laptop09:21
bergietigert: I'm trying to help the guy working on with the UI stuff09:22
* tko goes to try to catch a bus09:23
tigertyou should irc while in the bus09:24
tigertto save time :)09:24
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Markovis there an easier way to set the alarm than going through the clock and its menus?09:34
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zbenjaminhello @ all10:17
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MDKtko: I've got some content for the lib unstable crap too10:19
MDKie. the tag cloud widget10:19
inzuu, gtk2 goes web210:21
tigert:)10:25 (BETA)10:25
* tigert ducks10:25
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bergiewow, plankton really changes the feel of the N80010:41
tigertI am still not happy how the "home" view looks though10:44
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tigertthe toolbar looks weird without the app window10:44
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cesmanwhat is plankton?10:46
cesmangot a link to a screenshot?10:47
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bergieyesterday I was sitting in tram coming home from the center... the tram stopped at red lights at the corner of Sokos department store, my N800 automatically connected to the nearby "lasipalatsi" WiFi and Plazes positioned me there. Exactly as it should work ;-)10:48
cesmankulve: thanks for the link10:50
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pyhimysbergie: I couldn't get the plazes to work.10:58
bergiepyhimys: any errors?10:59
pyhimysbergie: no, it just wouldn't start10:59
pyhimysbergie: does it have logfile somewhere?11:00
bergienope, but if you run it from command line you get a lot more info11:01
pyhimysbergie: hey, it's updated11:01
pyhimysnow, it asks for password11:01
bergiegood :-)11:01
pyhimyswe're getting somewhere11:01
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bergiethe packaged version of maemoplazer_watcher (the process that you can leave open that automatically plazes you when you have new WiFi connection) doesn't work because of a missing symlink11:02
bergiebut you can start it by clicking the icon in toolbar yourself11:02
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AD-N770good morning11:20
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cybergyp1yhi guys , how do i install scummvm on my n800 , when i try it reports its for os2006 / 770? not 800 , yet this guy ( ) seems to have managed it11:25
cybergyp1ycan i install 770 apps on my n800 ?11:26
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timelyusually they'll work11:26
cybergyp1yok , thanks timely11:26
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Piotrasanyone knows where can I find libxslt package suitable for maemo2.2 ?11:35
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melmothoh oh, my n800 rebooted on its own, and is stuck on the nokia logo....12:08
melmothsame if i re re boot after removing the battery12:09
melmothany idea ?12:09
timelybe patient12:09
melmothit seems it reboot again after a while12:09
timelyusually when it pauses, it's doing garbage collection on your flash file system12:09
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timelybut if it reboots after a while, yes remove the battery12:09
melmothalready done12:09
timelythere's a hardware enforced timeout to avoid problems12:09
timelyif something doesn't say "i'm alive, making progress, etc..."12:10
timelythen the device reboots12:10
melmothwell, that s what seems to happens, as it keeps rebooting.12:10
melmothI was doing some sort of heavy cpu thingy before all of this happens (creating an clucene indexe)12:11
zuhI think filling the flash totally can end up in a boot loop12:11
timely"don't do that [as root]"12:12
timelybut most people don't do that12:12
melmothi was root when performing the stuff12:12
timelyas far as everyone i've spoken to knows, you need to be root to cause that problem12:12
melmothbecause i had to write in /usr/share ...seems this is what happens...12:12
timelywell, erm, um...12:12
melmothreflash ?12:12
timelyyes. and next time: "don't do that"12:13
* melmoth whistle12:13
melmoththanks for the info anyway12:13
timelyif you must, write things as a non root user to the wrong place12:13
timelybecome root and move them (same volume)12:13
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X-FadeHmm this new multitouch demo is even sweeter ;)
melmothany idea if i shall use Developer Root Filesystem for maemo 3.0 or if there is an another rootfs ?12:21
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X-FadeIf we had that then there wasn't a problem with scrolling and selecting ;)12:22
timelyyou should flash your device w/ the latest os flash from nokia12:23
timelyunless you want a less than useful or confused device, or know what you're doing, in which case you shouldn't be asking :)12:23
melmothi m just wondering if they are several version of it , the one i m downloading is called Maemo_Dev_Platform_v3.0_armel-rootfs.jffs2 , and i wonder if there is a 'non developper' or soemthing12:24
timelythat sure doesn't look like something for your device12:25
timelyat least not if you're an end user or want to be one ever :)12:25
timely i believe is the right url12:25
timelyi'm assuming you have an n80012:25
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melmothwell, it boots now with a 'sdk' instead of a 'nokia' logo :)12:30
timelyclearly i don't think that'll be an improvement12:30
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melmothyeop, it definitively looks like there should be another rootfs for the user..i have no opera anymore.12:35
maddlerX-Fade: amazing...12:36
X-FadeYep, that is really cool.12:40
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X-FadeJust for fun I tried to load the pepperpad powervr driver on N800. The result is not surprising ;)13:04
X-Fade[75323.939636] pvrdrv: version magic ' preempt ARMv5 gcc-3.4' should be '2.6.18-omap1 mod_unload ARMv6 gcc-3.4'13:04
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maddlerX-Fade: what powervr is supposed to do?13:11
X-Fademaddler: Give 3D acceleration on N800.13:12
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zuhOr graphics acceleration in general13:16
maddleroh... I see... sounds interesting...13:17
zuhSounds depressing, since there is no hints of getting it ever...13:24
melmothGRumble. any idea what is the name of the root fs to flash the n800 with os7 ? I only find a developper one that does not comes with all the defaults apps13:32
mgedminmelmoth: the one you can download from
melmothi try with this one as well, but it failed with:13:34
mgedmin(and technically it's more than just the root fs; it's a fiasco image that has the kernel, initfs and rootfs in it, if not more)13:34
melmothVersion of 'sw-release': <no version>13:34
melmothSending and flashing rootfs image (81597 kB)...13:34
melmoth100% (81597 of 81597 kB, avg. 135769 kB/s)13:34
melmothFinishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed!13:34
melmothUnable to get error strings: Connection timed out13:34
melmothand then i can reboot with the sdk rootfs.13:35
melmothi try several flasher binary as well (i m running ubuntu dapper):flasher.dapper , flasher-3.0 and the one compiled with static libs13:35
melmothoh, and i did check the md5sum match MD5SUMS file13:36
mgedminmelmoth: how do you flash?13:36
mgedminwhat's the command line?13:36
mgedminit should be ./flasher-3.0 -f -F RX-34_2007SE_2* -R13:37
melmothroot@satellite:/home/melmoth/maemo# /home/melmoth/bin/flasher-3.0 -r RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R13:38
melmothoh, i did not used -F13:38
mgedminyes, use -F instead of -r13:39
inzIf you use -r <blabla>.bin, your rootfs will look very funny ;)13:39
mgedminbecause you've got a fiasco image and not a rootfs13:39
melmothok,makes sense. thanks13:39
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kkitohello :)13:39
tigert"The whole thing is a fiasco!!"13:40
tigertwho came up with that name anyway? :)13:40
melmothLooks like its booting like when i received it the first day :)13:41
suihkulokkitigert: same ones who came up with NOLO ?13:42
tigertI never realized that one :))13:46
inz"Emabarassed over fiasco" -- "NOLO fiascosta"13:47
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tigertyay for ferenc13:52
tigertOS 2005 Edition version 3.2005.51-13  Bugfix release13:52
X-FadeWhat? Phase2?13:52
X-FadeAh ;)13:52
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tigertOS 2005 Edition version 5.2006.13-7  The last release of OS 2005 Edition13:52
tigertOS 2006 Edition version 1.2006.26-8  The first release13:52
tigertOS 2006 Edition version 2.2006.39-14  Bugfix update #113:52
tigertOS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2  Bugfix update #2 - This is the latest one currently!13:52
tigertmy voice was heard!13:53
c0ffeenot only yours13:53
c0ffeethis is the current release13:53
c0ffeethis is the last release13:53
c0ffeeyou should download this release, because it's the latest13:53
c0ffeedownload this release13:53
* tigert looks in the N800 page13:54
tigertthere's just one currently13:54
tigertwhich makes it a bit easier :)13:54
tigertc0ffee: but the above was what is there now in the 770 downloads13:54
tigerta lot better13:55
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koentigert: any idea why we still don't get updates via the AM?13:57
tigertper package?13:58
tigertbecause our packaging sucks and it'd break everything I guess. we try to fix that part first13:59
zuhYeah, probably it would cause even more problems currently (install a 3rd party app -> upgraded lib version -> either it fails to upgrade anything or the 3rd party app gets the boot)14:00
zuhNot a good scenario either way14:01
zuhNow the responsibility is entirely on the 3rd party side, but if Nokia supported upgrading they'd have to take responsibility for fixing problems with installed 3rd party packages too...14:03
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tigertit needs some thinking first14:04
tigertonce we get sardine and those things smooth14:05
tigertthen maybe14:05
tigertits a good goal of course14:05
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MagiHi. Can anyone tell how to configure Escape in xterm? Just adding "Esc" shortcut button doesn't help.14:34
mgedminwhat's wrong with using the hardware Esc key?14:35
MagiWhich button is it?14:35
zuhIt's the one with the arrow14:35
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MagiThe back-curved arrow? Uhh, ok, I've been trying to find Esc for half an hour now...14:36
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mgedminyes, the first one below the d-pad14:38
* sp3000 missed it too for like a week14:38
sp3000it's too obvious or something :)14:39
* sp3000 missed it too for like a week14:39
* sp3000 slaps his window switching muscle memory14:39
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timelysp3000: of course, there's no way for me to get from that number to the other number14:42
timelytigert: :)14:43
timelybut isn't OpenBSD not a linux distro?14:43
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inzDoes it list maemo ;)14:44
inz(not bored 'nuff to look for it ;)14:44
koenwasn't maemo the framework and IT200x the distro?14:44
timelyi'm reading, i'll tell you if i see it14:44
timelynope, not there14:45
inzkoen, whatever ;)14:45
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timelyand if they're going to list OpenBSD, shouldn't they list SNV (and Solaris 10, and the new Solaris Express Developer thing)14:46
timelyand Nexenta :)14:46
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maddlernice... my new N80 just arrived... a nice view next to N800 :D15:42
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kkitooh, the mv on maemo hasnt the -u option :?15:44
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VeggenI just ordered a Nokia 6233. It has 3G, at least, but as I have the N800, I don't care about functionality on it... ;-)15:47
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Veggen(that's the standard model we get at work, nowadays)15:48
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timelymaddler: you like the n80 more than the n800?15:49
timelyveggen: yeah, i need to find a 3g cell phone for <$60 just for my 770/n800 devices :)15:50
maddlertimely: not at all... and they are two completely different devices...15:51
maddlerbut N80+N800 is a great du15:51
timelyecho */*|xargs -n1 svn up --non-interactive15:55
timelyis my favorite command :)15:55
* timely wonders how to get time to work correctly15:57
inztimely, what's wrong with your time, do you live in a twisted timespace?15:57
timelyinz: i have a script that likes to do:15:58
timelytime cvs up foo15:58
timelyi don't think that:15:58
timelytime echo */*| xargs -n1 svn up15:58
timelywill work15:58
timelyi think i'll try:15:58
timelyecho */*|xargs -n1 time svn up15:58
inzThat should work unless there's lots of */*15:59
timelythere are lots of */*15:59
timelyit has each project from garage15:59
inzIt will give you separate times15:59
timelyyeah, i know15:59
timelynot sure i can do much better than that15:59
inztime sh -c 'echo */*|xargs -n1 svn up'16:00
vidarinotime ( ... )16:00
inzYeah, that works too, should be pretty much the same thing16:00
pahartikVeggen: My Nokia 770 does have Nokia 6151 as mobile WCDMA uplink16:02
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timelyi'm also not sure which is more useful timing the whole process or timing tree at a time16:02
pahartikVeggen: Quite nice combination, even though Nokia 770 does not have Bluetooth 2.0 and Nokia 6151 does not have HSDPA :)16:04
VeggenMy current cell phone only has GPRS. Wasn't exactly fast, when I was out travelling ;)16:08
Veggen(I don't care too much about cost of usage - paid by work ;P)16:09
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pahartikVeggen: Oh, I have used GPRS uplink for years, over IrDA on PalmOS device and over Bluetooth 1.2 on PowerPC laptop16:11
timelysp3000: wanna talk me through setting up scratchbox2 on a system that isn't really "normal"? :)16:12
Veggenpahartik: it works, by all means. But fast? nah ;)16:12
Veggenpahartik: I downloaded detailed maps over all Milano, for example, to Maemo mapper. Glad I had an access point nearby when I did it, but with 3G speeds, it'd be doable on the road, too.16:13
pahartikVeggen: Bandwidth was almost never issue, but sometimes latency irritated me...16:14
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andrunkonew canola beta2 version uploaded to repository16:20
timelyandrunko: but where are the sources? ;-)16:21
andrunkoi will mail them to you, heh16:21
timelyask diego for my email address? :)16:21
andrunkoheh, i will16:22
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sp3000timely: eek :)16:28
sp3000I set it up on a box yesterdayish but that box is very normal16:28
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sp3000it compiled a $testprogram for target per instructions, and that's about all I know about it :D16:29
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timelysp3000: shall we try?16:33
timelyi wonder if i can add a user for you and have you try :)16:33
* sp3000 just followed instructions :)16:33
* timely goes to look for them16:33
sp3000 and the linked README16:34
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timelyUX: useradd: scratchbox name too long.16:38
timelythat's not promising :)16:38
Mike-disconnectemorning all16:38
timely8.3 limits anyone? :)16:38
Mike-disconnectejust wondering something16:38
timelymike: for some of us it's nearly evening16:38
Mike-disconnecteis there a site that can tell me what the difference is between the hardware of the 770 and 800?16:39
Mike-disconnecteok... good evening to some, morning to others :-D16:39
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kkitoMike-disconnecte, you can search for it on the wikipedia16:40
Mike-disconnectewill check it out there16:40
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* timely frowns16:57
timelynow i have to remember how to use git clone16:57
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sp3000timely: do tell me when you find out17:05
timelyi've managed to get it work17:05
* sp3000 didn't bother and just used another box to play on17:05
timelybut i can't remember how17:05
timelyand those are internal17:06
kkitohow to do a mv -u on the n800?17:06
timelykkito: install zip, use tar, use, rsync, install mv?17:06
kkitobecause the mv bin form n800 didnt recognize the -u flag!17:06
timelykkito: normjally you're using busybox17:06
timelynot mv17:06
* sp3000 wonders if it's more practical to install rsync than script around that or try getting a real mv17:06
* timely would install rsync17:07
* sp3000 too17:07
timelyif it isn't more practical (and it almost certainly is), it's certainly more useful17:07
melmothkkito: i never use the u flag...but what about using rsync ?17:07
melmothoh, people type way fatser than me here :)17:07
sp3000or, you could use rsync17:07
kkitoehhh... rsync is not good for the task that i want to do17:08
timelywhat's your task?17:08
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kkitomy problem is that i want that a package, installs some files to the SD card, but when the dpkg cannot copy the files because it cannot set the ownership... then i copy that files to the internal memory and then on the postinst script mmove the contents to the /media/mmc117:09
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timelyrsync almost certainly has a "continue anyway" mode17:11
mgedminyou could use test and mv instead of mv -u17:11
timelyand unless you use --delete, rsync should work17:11
timelysp3000: did you see my output from df?17:11
sp3000don't think so17:12
timely[wiggum]$ df -h .17:12
timelyFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on17:12
timely                      112G -8.0Z  321G 101% /home/.lery17:12
timely[wiggum]$ coreutils-6.7/src/df -h .17:12
timelyFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on17:12
timely                      112G -210G  321G   -  /home/.lery17:12
sp3000-8.0Z, gj :D17:12
sp3000(what happens when you mix bytes with your antibytes?)17:15
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* pahartik finds out that "Z" in that "df" output stands for ZiB (zebibyte, 2^70)17:24
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jtradf supports reporting of sizes up to 2^70? cool :)17:28
maddlerjtra: yep... I'm going to buy a new 160ZB SATA/30 HD! :D17:29
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jtrabut that minus sign means _you_ owe that to the drive ;-)17:29
Mike-disconnecteanyone know where i can download the it2006 image without having a 770?17:30
mgedminI don't think you can17:31
mgedminIIRC the click-through licence said something about forbidding redistribution17:31
Mike-disconnectethat sux17:31
Mike-disconnectewanted to try it on a 80017:32
Mike-disconnecteread somewhere that the hardware is not that different17:32
Takdid you try putting in the mac from your n800?17:32
pahartikMike-disconnecte: You only need MAC of 802.11 interface of Nokia 770 device and HTTP client... (For some reason it did not work with Bluetooth MAC (yes, it is probably not called MAC in official context))17:33
melmothwhy cannot i change the current time ? Whatever the change i make, it keeps being the old time.17:33
Mike-disconnecteyeah it didnt work17:33
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mgedminI strongly suspect OS2006 won't work on OS200717:34
mgedminI think the flasher will refuse to flash it17:34
mgedminthere's a device ID in there somewhere17:34
Mike-disconnecteits worth a shot though17:34
mgedminthe hardware is different enough, have you read the notes about os2007for770?17:35
Mike-disconnectenot fully17:35
Mike-disconnectethe only thing i am insterested in is the screen and the wlan17:35
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Mike-disconnecteif those 2 things are the same it should work17:36
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Mike-disconnecteand i want to be able to put it in to usb host mode17:36
Mike-disconnecteanyone know what the first 6 of the mac address for the 770 is?17:38
mgedminI've seen three 770 that have Wifi macs starting with 00:14:A717:39
pahartikMike-disconnecte: One could probably find MAC strings by using "grep" with regular expression on documents under
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mgedminI do not think he has the filesystem access needed for grep17:45
pahartikmgedmin: So HTTP client is still needed...17:46
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mgedminI have filesystem access :)17:48
mgedminthe only MAC address in there is for a Think Outside Keyboard17:48
pahartikmgedmin: Damn that :)17:49
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pahartikmgedmin: But can it be called MAC, since it is Bluetooth?17:50
mgedminI think so, yes17:50
mgedminThe following technologies use the MAC-48 identifier format: * Ethernet, * 802.11, * Bluetooth, ... --
pahartikmgedmin: That is good information17:53
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ocnarfidWHere are some shots from that launchparty:
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ajturnerI like that the pic of the N800 by itself has tags like: beer, wine, pipes18:16
ajturnerand geeks - of course18:16
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ajturnerwhen does the N95 get released?18:17
ajturnerwonder if the GPS from the N95 can feed the N800?18:17
ocnarfidWThis I don't know, just got mine a few days ago.18:17
ajturneryour N800 or 95?18:17
ajturnerright, but teh q is the other side - can the gps on teh N95 be offered via a BT cnxn18:18
matt_cajturner: it might be possible to write a wrapper in say Python that reads the connection (if avaialble from the API) and spits it out over BT18:19
ajturnera software NMEA - or BT gpsd ;)18:19
ajturnermatt_c - but you don't think it's supported on the device currently?18:19
ajturnerwhat is the eta of the N95, my 6600 is getting awfully dated18:20
matt_cMy guess would be a few months but that's just a guess.18:20
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ajturnerof course, it's always +n months to make it stateside18:21
ajturnerheck, we can't even *get* the 6600 or better here from a carrier :p18:21
matt_cajturner: I got a 6682 from cingular, but it has *no* memory18:21
ajturnerit's a sad - sad state of affairs here18:21
ajturnerbut you can't get it anymore, can you?18:21
ajturnerwe're relegated to ebay or int'l18:22
matt_cajturner: a place like letstalk might still have it18:22
ajturnerbut that's the 6682 , quite dated itself18:22
ajturnerjust need to pick one up on one of my trips abroad18:22
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matt_cajturner: yeah, I've had it for a year or so now.18:23
matt_cYou can snag E61's and similar for full price at various places too.18:24
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matt_cfor location stuff on the N95 you might be able to make use of this API:
ajturnerE61 - qwerty?!?! eep!18:25
floriangood morning18:25
ajturnerrun away!18:25
ajturnermatt_c - good find on the api18:26
ajturnerthough I would prefer to work in python18:26
ajturnerso much nicer than setting up targets & compiling :p18:26
matt_cajturner: there's a whole set of C++ location APIs that a smart person could write a Python wrapper fo.18:26
ajturnermatt_c - thank goodness for smart people ;)18:26
ajturnerpersonally, I like working on the application level than the system/tool level :)18:27
ajturnerthere are some good python libs for PythonS60 for doing NMEA parsing & GPS data display18:28
ajturnerso just gotta poke one of those devs to extend to add this ;)18:28
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RobHuWhat is all this talk about peppervr about? Is it a graphics chip? Doesn't the OS already provide hw acceleration for graphics?18:31
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Mike-disconnecteanyone know if there is a softmac update for the n800? or how to get the one for the 770 to work on the 800?18:58
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Guardianhmm how can i know the total amount of memory used by my application ?19:03
Guardianis it accurate ?19:03
mgedminGuardian: that's a very difficult question to answer on a linux system19:03
Taksomething like a memory profiling tool (in scratchbox) might be better19:03
Guardianand top has a column %MEM , i guess the number is not that accurate19:04
mgedminsee e.g.
Guardianmgedmin: oh really ? i thought it was straighforward but i did not know the right command :)19:04
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mgedminvirtual memory, shared libraries, mmapped files... how do you count what memory is actually used?19:04
kulvecat /proc/<pid>/smaps19:05
Guardiankulve: the device i'm using does not have smaps :(19:05
Takimo shared libs don't count19:05
Guardiani'm testing on something else than the N770 or N80019:05
kulveGuardian: well, there would have still been quite a many numbers to interpret..19:06
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Guardianthx for the link mgedmin19:06
kulveI checked the smaps on my desktop..19:06
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mgedminI like this way: run free; look at the amount of free memory (+buffers/cache); run the program, while it is running run free again and see the difference19:07
mgedminsome people don't like this method19:07
mgedminbecause, e.g. it includes any shared libraries that weren't used before but are loaded by your program19:07
Taknot great for watching noninstant memory usage19:07
mgedminbtw free on the n800 reports memory used by the disk cache as used19:09
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mgedminand doesn't have the 'cached' column19:09
mgedminI don't like that19:09
maddlerever tried htop?19:10
maddleris an "advanced" top...19:10
Takthey should have called it hitop19:12
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Takmuch cooler name19:14
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maddleroh... :)19:19
* maddler goes home...19:22
maddlersee you all later...19:22
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Mike-disconnectename michael19:24
Mike-disconnectehow do u change your name again?19:24
Mike-disconnectenever mind19:24
mgedmin/nick ?19:26
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tkotigert, I think it's pretty safe to say that if nothing on the product needs the theming, it's not done19:28
tkoI should probably install irc on my n800...19:28
Takjust install the whole internet19:29
tkoI'm still waiting for getting it at the office :)19:29
tkoofficially that is19:29
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s-ndh-cwill future versions of the itos have newer gtk versions?19:43
tkonaw.. we'll just aim backwards towards gtk119:45
s-ndh-cjust asking as this hildon-1 branch seems to want gtk 2.1019:46
tkowe're catching up
tkohmm, missing link?
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zuhbleh, hildon-desktop runs, but matchbox doesn't move statusbar window to the correct position -> home menu doesn't open19:50
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s-ndh-ciam trying to build gtk2.10 inside my bora scratchbox target then build hildon-1 against that to see how well the c# binding works alp did against the hildon-1 source19:50
tkos-ndh-c, if you're about to play with 2.10, you should grab most if not all packages in sardine/experimental19:52
zuhAnd funnily enough, hildon-desktop didn't run through the link nor with maemo-summoner. I got it to run with '/lib/ /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch'... :)19:52
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s-ndh-ctko: is it enough to change the sources list and do a dist-upgrade inside my bora sdk target?19:53
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tkos-ndh-c, upgrading to sardine/unstable requires some extra steps ( but once you have unstable, upgrading to experimental should work with dist-upgrade19:54
s-ndh-cok thx19:54
tkothough that's only because we don't have the repository properly configured, you should never get anything from experimental by default19:54
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tkothere may be some bump on the roads, it's not called unstable or experimental for nothing19:56
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tkoMDK, btw, are you already thinking about replacing the infoprint code with notification ?19:58
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zuhHeh, that's funny, pango in sardine depends on cairo but gtk is still 2.6.10 :)20:01
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ferulozuh: add sardine-experimental repository20:16
k-sdoes somebody know which X window property application switcher looks in n800?20:16
feruloand you will get gtk 2.10.6 :)20:16
k-sin 770 it works, but in N800 it doesn't20:16
k-sit show "Unknow"20:17
k-sit's a SDL app20:17
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jobik-s: WM_CLASS20:21
k-sjobi: are you sure?20:21
k-sjobi: I have both WM_CLASS and _NET_WM_CLASS, but it just doesn't work on n800... desktop and 770 are ok20:21
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jobik-s: there are strange things happening with SDL on N80020:22
k-sjobi: That's in the popup that appears on the bottom-left20:22
k-sjobi: I know20:22
k-sjobi: we're trying to figure out some weirdness here, due canola development20:23
jobik-s: Lucas mentioned it20:23
k-sjobi: like a misterious click that happens when you create a new Xwindow over SDL (used to play video inside canola)20:23
k-sjobi: it works with desktop or 770, but n800 it fails20:24
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haphas someone a deb package for 'screen' (gnu util) ?20:43
mgedminI had one20:43
mgedminfor mistral20:43
tko ?20:43
mgedminhad one bug: didn't create /var/run/screen after each reboot20:43
haptko: yeah, missing ..20:44
Takseems like a prime candidate for mud-builder20:45
mgedminor you can wait 10 minutes and I'll fix it to be installable in blue-pill mode20:45
hapmgedmin: i wll wait :)20:45
mgedminand add the missing mkdir to the init script20:45
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jobik-s: I remember our SDL guy was doing some funny hacks to workaround some even funnier hacks in SDL for N80020:47
jobiKuisma is the one to ask20:48
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jobiit seemed SDL as using 2 different windows for whether you are fullscreen or not or something like that20:48
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alex-weejhow come n800 doesn't have vorbis out of the box?20:49
mgedmingood, the screen in ubuntu already mkdirs /var/run/screens in its init.d script20:49
koenbecause 98% of nokia's costumers have no idea what 'vorbis' is?20:49
Takjobi: that explains some weird bug reports I've had20:49
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pahartikkoen: "costumers" indeed :)20:51
alex-weejkoen: the situation is catch 22, and i'd have thought better of nokia given this whole project20:51
pahartikkoen: Describes that group quite well, I imagine20:51
alex-weeji'm sure they can see that vorbis = free, efficient codec = more "1000s of songs" on the thing20:52
mgedminogg support would tickle the same audience that nokia wants to please by giving away discount codes: open source software developers20:52
tkohaving 0 mindshare doesn't help in that picture, though20:52
koeninstall the vorbis plugin and you can play your oggs20:52
tkoand someone would have to form a legal opinion on the whole issue20:53
* koen has 0 oggs 20:54
koenall mp3 or mp420:54
* pahartik has only encoded audio content to AAC20:55
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mgedminhap: can you try the screen package I just built?20:55
mgedminhey, I can do that myself, too!20:57
mgedminhm, it's not installable21:04
maddlermgedmin: I'll be happy to test... :)21:05
alex-weejkoen: good for you :/21:05
maddlerI would have been even happier if sshfs was working...21:05
mgedminok, back to the drawing board21:05
mgedminubuntu's version of screen has insane dependencies (perl-base!)21:06
mgedminlsb-base is nice too21:06
mgedminah, for the prettyfied init script21:06
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[mbm]there's a program called dtach which is a mini version of screen21:07
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mgedminwhere do all those perl dependencies come from?21:14
mgedminand only when I compile in bora21:14
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Jaffaevening, all21:19
mgedminmy screen package only works until first reboot21:19
mgedminsomething's wrong with the init.d script21:19
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mgedminit is not being run?21:21
mgedmin/etc/rcS.d/S70screen-cleanup exists21:22
JaffaIt's run-level 2 which is started, not single-user mode21:22
JaffaSo it needs to go in /etc/rc2.d/21:22
mgedminrcS is not single-user, it's startup21:22
mgedminon desktop systems rcS is used before one of rc<number>.d21:23
mgedminon maemo it is not used at all21:23
* Jaffa really thinks rcS.d is single-user, not startup. On Debian its contents duplicate a lot of rc2.d21:23
JaffaHmm, maybe not.21:24
mgedminrun level 1 is single-user21:26
mgedminbuilding fixed screen now21:26
mgedminanyone has any ideas why dpkg-buildpackage in bora adds perl to my dependencies?21:26
Jaffamgedmin: ${perl:Depends} in debian/control ?21:27
mgedminno, just ${shlibs:Depends}21:28
mgedminmaybe I should create a garage project21:29
mgedminand let somebody else figure it out :)21:29
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mgedminaargh, it didn't work21:31
hapmgedmin: i ll wait you fix it ;)21:31
mgedminokay, last attempt21:38
timelyanyone here familiar w/ garage?21:38
timelywhat kind of licenses can you specify when you create a project?21:39
mgedmina bunch21:39
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timelyis there "assorted open source"?21:39
mgedmincan't type in xchat while firefox has a drop-down open :/21:39
mgedminhuh, looks like a bug21:40
tkotimely, ?21:40
timelyswitch to chatzilla(xulrunner) :)21:40
timelyyeah, i'm reading it21:40
mgedminduh, there is an "other"21:41
* mgedmin can't use scrollbars21:41
timelybut i'm not sure what that means21:41
mgedminI guess the garage admins will have to manually check and approve it21:41
mgedminyay, screen works for os200621:42
Takxmame is "other/proprietary"21:42
mgedmineven after reboot21:42
mgedminis there a utf-8 capable ncurses for maemo?21:43
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timelyi ask because someone submitted a project which said in its description ~various open source licenses~21:44
timelyand then specified a license that wasn't other for the license field21:44
timelynot sure what happened to it21:45
mgedminaha, the perl-base dependency came not from my screen package, but from debconf21:46
mgedminwhich is not available for bora21:46
jobitigert: around?21:48
tigertman. adam curry replied to my blog post :-o21:49
tigertlazyweb is amazing21:49
jobitigert: made a package of that dynanic draw thing21:50
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tigertjobi: its the same binary though?22:05
tigertjobi: or did you even hildonize it? :)22:05
jobitigert: just added fullscreen22:05
jobiand a .desktop file :p22:05
tigertits kinda fun when you sketch something,22:05
tigertand then the screen blanks )22:05
koentigert: did you see yet?22:06
tigertand it's all gone since it doesnt refresh :)22:06
koen(those are mockups)22:06
tigertkoen: hm22:06
tigertsweet stuff22:08
tigertbut IMHO too small22:08
tigertdid it have a stylus?22:08
tigertI have realized,22:08
tigertthe more I use the thumb board22:08
tigertis that its not about how much you can stuff on the screen22:08
tigertbut how much you can do with your big ol' thumb22:08
tigertwe should do more with the iphone like scrolling etc ideas22:08
tigertnot trying to stuff the one screen full of everything22:08
tigertbut do sliding or such so we can have better interaction with some views or such22:09
koentigert: those mockups also forget that the actual screen is 300dpi22:09
roopethe openmoko link, the ui style logic is quite nice.22:10
tigertkoen: most people who have not used an actual screen of that dpi22:10
tigertdo not realize that22:10
tigertit is HUGE on your laptop screen22:10
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koentigert: I'm trying it on a 200dpi vga screen right now22:12
koenlet see if I can fix some sizes to be a bit more sane22:12
tigertthats docuwiki btw22:12
tigertedit link per chapter22:12
tigertits nice for spec writing in collaborative way22:13
tigertkoen: try it on the N80022:13
tigertor the 770 if you have one handy22:13
roopeI'm quite impressed with those ui concepts. They make sense.22:13
koenI don't have a buildenv for an n80022:13
koenand I need my n800 for actual work :)22:13
tigertno wait, its mediawiki22:15
tigertkoen: I mean22:16
tigertview the screenshots in the browser, silly :)22:16
tigertor set $DISPLAY?22:16
roopewell, except the virtual keyboard layouts could be a bit optimized. ;)22:17
Taktigert: I agree22:18
koen200DPI vga display22:18
timelytigert: is the only easy place for me to get it2005sr0 from
tigerttimely: no idea :)22:19
tigertI only work here22:19
timelyin fact22:19
timelyi can't find it22:19
timelyall i see is "bugfix release"22:20
tigertkoen: its funny that the openmoko screenshot of yours has an icon I did22:20
timelyhrm, i wonder how to verify that the device i have is genuine22:20
tigerttimely: FCC sticker?22:21
tigertroope: yea, the toolbar in middle is interesting idea22:21
tigertroope: its where your thumb likely is22:21
timelytigert: all i see is CE(three digits) (!)22:21
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timelydoes that mean it's counterfeit? :)22:22
tigerttimely: wlan mac address22:22
timelyyeah, it has that22:22
tigerttimely: try that22:22
timelyand lets me get the updates w/ the mac address22:22
timelyiirc it doesn't let me get updates w/ fake ones22:22
tigertif it reads "PROTOTYPE NOT FOR SALE" or something, its not a sales version obviously :)22:22
timelyit doesn't say that :)22:22
tigertyea, sounds like a sales one22:23
timelyis CE the european equivalent of FCC?22:23
roopenot quite. CE is the electrical standard.22:24
roopeFCC is telecomms, right.22:24
roopeit's the this device will not electrocute you -standard.22:24
timelythe fakes don't have that :)22:25
timelymy flasher won't flash my device22:25
timelythe flasher3 is supposed to flash 770s, right?22:25
jobiwhat is flickr gamma?22:26
roopewell, more over the overall simplicity. i like it.22:26
tigertjobi: flickr is no longer beta, but since no respectable "web 2.0" service can be "1.0" or "stable" they are "gamma" to stay cool22:27
koentigert: html 2.0!22:27
* timely prefers html 3.222:27
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timelyeveryone knows that ms software isn't good until after 3.122:27
jobinor after 3.1122:28
timelyhrm this could be bad22:28
timelyi'm flashing a device w/ an image that wasn't quite in place when the flasher started reading it :)22:28
timelyi hope it doesn't become a brick :)22:28
tkoso, we're at 3.0 now... :)22:29
roopegood times are a'coming22:29
timelywhy is nickserv nagging me?22:29
suihkulokkimaemo 3.11 for workgroups22:29
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timelysuihkulokki: you know we need that22:30
timelybut we don't have MS Schedule+22:30
timelyand given that maemo3 already exists22:30
ferulotigert: look at this web 2.0 logo picture:
timelyit looks like you'll have to wait until long after 3.11 to get 3.11fw22:30
ferulois there any kind of pattern regarding logos in web 2.0? :p22:31
* timely frowns22:31
timelyum, has anyone here used the date time picker when they first flashed their device?22:31
* timely wonders if this is something that was fixed after the sales release or for os200622:32
timely(or 2007)22:32
tigertferulo: :)22:32
zuhtimely: Just don't pop the camera out when you are in the wizards ;)22:32
timelyzuh: camera? this is a 770 running the shipping software22:33
tigerttimely: try it with a freshly flashed N80022:33
tigertits kinda cute :)22:33
* timely finds ice age22:33
* timely frowns22:33
timelywhy didn't i find iceage before?22:33
timelyi know i looked22:33
tigert"hello worl... hey! HEY!! I'm here HEY HEY! Can anyone hear me??? I can do video calls and all.. hey.!!"22:34
tigert"What is this dialog on top of me?"22:34
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jobi"Whose that mighty wizard anyway?"22:35
timelythe 770 sales release software is kinda laggy22:36
timelyi asked it to move a video to my device22:36
timelyand had time to look in my mmc, not see it, go back to the source folder, see the file, and try to move it again!22:36
timelyall before the move progress dialog appeared :)22:37
timelythis should be fun, since i now have a move file to memory card dialog and the file is gone22:37
* timely wonders if the app will crash :)22:37
sp3000hey, it's gnomevfs, right, it'll probably try to delete the file that's in the way :P22:38
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timelyi was expecting it to do that :)22:39
* timely was disappointed22:39
timelynothing happened22:39
timelyit didn't even apologize for not being able to move the file22:39
sp3000ever tried to replace files in a directory with themselves via two paths using symlinks along the path to the same directory? :D22:40
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timelywhy do i have a "favourites" file22:41
arnnnnis the gps navigation kit work in the us ? is there us map ?22:41
timelydidn't someone tell them that Americans don't have "favourites"?22:41
sp3000desk, pply directly to the forehead. desk, apply ...22:42
* timely ponders22:42
timelyi'm playing a file using "Audio player"22:42
timelybut i mvoed it using file manager22:42
timelyso it isn't there anymore22:43
* timely wonders when Audio player will realize it's gone :)22:43
arnnnndoes the navigation kit work in USA ?22:43
* timely is looking22:43
Mike-disconnecteok all...i am back again22:45
Mike-disconnectequestion... anyone know how to change the wifi driver on the 770 (got one from a friend to test on)22:45
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timelywell, audio player gives me absolutely no feedback when i try to play the song that's no longer on the file system :)22:52
Mike-disconnectequestion... anyone know how to change the wifi driver on the 770 (got one from a friend to test on)22:53
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timelyroot@nexenta:~# man zfs22:56
timelyNo manual entry for zfs22:56
timelySee 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.22:56
timelyoops, wrong window22:56
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arnnnnwhat's the difference between handheld and vehicle navigator ?23:00
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Stregfor the the other one you'll need an automatic transmission? :)23:04
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ajturnerw00t - when did Maemo Mapper get added to the bora repo?23:06
bergie I think couple days ago23:06
bergieseems to work just fine23:07
* bergie wonders why Maemo Mapper doesn't supply the openstreetmap tile URLs as a default23:07
bergiethat'd make it a lot more legimate23:07
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timelyprovide a patch, the source is open23:08
Mike-disconnectequestion... anyone know how to change the wifi driver on the 770 (got one from a friend to test on)23:08
timelymike: you sound like a broken record23:08
timelytry a mailing list23:08
Mike-disconnectei have... i saw it yesterday, but cant seem to find it today23:12
Mike-disconnectejust my lucj23:12
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bergietimely: I'd love to, but C isn't really my cup of tea23:21
* bergie is quite busy between hacking Midgard and new stuff like Maemo Plazer23:21
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bergieBTW, anybody here know whether the python applet examples run in existing maemo or just some upcoming version?
bergiethe commit times are suspiciously recent at least ;-)23:24
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nelsonHmmmm....  I'm stuck in continual reboot mode.23:29
nelsonpatience hasn't solved it.23:30
timelypull the battery23:30
nelsonremoving the battery and waiting hasn't solved it.23:30
ttobinnelson: reflash23:30
ttobinnelson: and don't upgrade busybox23:30
nelsondidn't upgrade busybox.23:30
nelsoninstalled tigert's theme.23:30
ttobinhm, weird, you didn't run against maemo:sys or whatnot?23:30
ttobinoh well :(23:31
nelsonDidn't gainroot either.23:31
timelyanyway, us site doesn't seem to show the gps for 770 stuff23:31
ttobinmy co-worker's N800 freaked out with the perpetual reboots once he upgraded busybox23:31
timelydefinitely no sign of navicore for us23:33
timelysince that's where it'd be23:33
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nelsonDoes flasher2 work for OS2007?23:34
timelyi wouldn't recommend it :)23:34
* timely considers contributing to the #maemo drinking game23:36
sbaturziotoday I've made some test with aircrack-ng, after some test the wlan0 device seems disappeared. Only a reboot bring it up again23:36
sbaturziois there another way to bring up the device manually?23:37
mgedminnelson: did you install the theme cacher first?23:37
mgedminnelson: as an alternative to reflashing you could use the flasher to disable the lifeguard23:38
nelsonmgedmin: yes, I installed theme cacher first.23:38
mgedminit might then boot (into some broken state)23:38
nelsonmgedmin: I'll give it a try.23:39
mgedmintimely: have a drink every time someone gets into a reboot loop?23:39
mgedminnelson: you have a n800, I assume?23:39
timelyi was thinking more like "change log between os2005 and 2005.1" :)23:39
nelsonmgedmin: yes23:40
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nelsonHmmmm.....  no-lifeguard-reset is turned on, but it's still rebooting.23:51
* nelson reflashes23:51
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mgedminaaah, automated tests are good23:59

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