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| nomeata | Hi. Has anyone managed to use dasher as an input method for the n770? | 00:11 |
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| nomeata | And will there ever be one OS for both n770 and n800? | 00:14 |
| Tak | one os to rule them all, one os to bind them! | 00:18 |
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| [mbm] | too quiet in here. | 01:27 |
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| Schmots | I have good news.. and bad news on my quest to get the sdk vmware working. | 01:30 |
| Schmots | I forgot I setup a transparent proxy on my network like a year ago. | 01:30 |
| Schmots | turns out it was filtering out all sorts of files.. its off now. | 01:31 |
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| Schmots | I added xterm to the sdk.. its in the program list via xypher.. but when I select it, it doesn't run. Any ideas | 01:32 |
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| Schmots | anyone else here using the vmware sdk? | 01:34 |
| Schmots | hehe, how can there be so many people in here and so few people talking :-) | 01:35 |
| lle2 | easily! | 01:36 |
| lle2 | most of the people are from europe I believe | 01:37 |
| lle2 | if anyone wants to try new flashy Scratchbox 2 + Maemo rootstrap combo, instructions at http://rahina.org/sb2/ tell you how. | 01:39 |
| lle2 | To create debian packages you need to run it on a debian based system. | 01:40 |
| Schmots | I just want to try xterm on this development application. | 01:41 |
| Schmots | is there anywhere to look in scratchbox for logs of whats going wrong. | 01:41 |
| lle2 | I'm afraid I'm not much help with sb1 stuff | 01:42 |
| Schmots | ahh.. maybe its cause I seem to be in sbox-SDK_X86 | 01:42 |
| [mbm] | hmm anyone know how to get the new plazer client to do anything? | 01:43 |
| Schmots | how do I change my target run? | 01:43 |
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| Schmots | maybe thats my problem with the sdk is I pulled down the i386 stuff.. and isn't it supposed to simulate an arm? | 01:49 |
| garrett | [mbm]: I tried; it just shows up in extras and... does nothing... | 01:50 |
| garrett | would be nice to use | 01:50 |
| [mbm] | garrett: yeah that was my experience too .. thought it was supposed to pop up something on wifi connection | 01:51 |
| garrett | it actually makes much more sense on a device you carry around (: | 01:51 |
| garrett | [mbm]: yeah, or something, and it doesn't do anything ): | 01:51 |
| garrett | I looked in the applets area, looked in the status area config too | 01:51 |
| [mbm] | heh yeah, I want it to hop on the nearest hostpot, figure out where I am and download the maemo maps :) | 01:51 |
| garrett | that would be pretty rad | 01:51 |
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| garrett | ok, time to head home | 01:54 |
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| Schmots | I was hopeing to be able to do some development or at least port some apps over to the n800, but I can't get any of the apps I install on the maemo development applicnet to work in the xypher x-window | 01:55 |
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| framerate | does the guy who ported nethack live around here? ;) | 04:06 |
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| gnuite_ | I can't seem to get core dumps from my crashing app | 04:44 |
| gnuite_ | does my core-dumps dir need to have special perms? | 04:45 |
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| gnuite_ | Do I have to be in dev mode to get cores? | 05:11 |
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| Tak | g++, why must you consume all my resources? | 07:17 |
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| Sulis | hey all, can i ask how does maemo mapper actually load it's images? | 09:34 |
| Sulis | does it connect itself to google maps and download all the images that it thinks it'll need for the planned route? | 09:35 |
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| Tak | hmm - is it probable that the g++ in my armel chroot has entered an infinite loop? | 09:53 |
| c0ffee | do you get 'too many open files' errors? | 09:53 |
| Tak | no | 09:53 |
| Tak | it just eats all my resources and never exits | 09:54 |
| c0ffee | happens :) | 09:54 |
| c0ffee | i had that problem with sb 0.9/maemo 1.x and gawk | 09:54 |
| Tak | hmm - any tips for working around? | 09:55 |
| c0ffee | with gawk that was easy :) | 09:56 |
| c0ffee | you could submit a bugreport | 09:56 |
| Tak | hm | 09:56 |
| * Tak changes some flags and tries again | 09:58 | |
| Sulis | submit a bug report! | 09:58 |
| Tak | to what? gcc? maemo? qemu? | 09:59 |
| jacques | don't worry, wherever you submit it, they will point fingers at the others | 10:00 |
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| c0ffee | scratchbox | 10:04 |
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| Tak | are they going to accept a bug against 0.9.8 ? | 10:07 |
| c0ffee | dunno, try | 10:13 |
| c0ffee | but if it's a bug with 0.9.8, you could upgrade and see whether that helps | 10:13 |
| Tak | yeah - I have a newer one with the bora rootstrap | 10:14 |
| Sulis | is the n800 better than the sony mylo? i don't even know if the mylo is released yet... | 10:14 |
| Tak | what's "better" ? | 10:15 |
| c0ffee | the n800 is better than everything | 10:15 |
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| Sulis | wow, better than everything? sign me up! | 10:15 |
| c0ffee | the club membership fee is $400 | 10:16 |
| Sulis | no, it's £280 :P | 10:16 |
| c0ffee | same value, just different unit of meassurement | 10:16 |
| Sulis | ah, those imperial measurements, never got the hang of them | 10:17 |
| c0ffee | yeah | 10:17 |
| c0ffee | i also always have to convert prices to DM | 10:17 |
| Sulis | DM now? | 10:18 |
| c0ffee | now what? | 10:18 |
| Sulis | deutsch mark...i thought germany went euro? | 10:19 |
| c0ffee | doesn't keep me from converting prices, right? :) | 10:19 |
| inz | Sulis, germany went, all people didn't ;) | 10:19 |
| inz | I, too, sometimes convert prices to FIM to get a grasp of the real price | 10:20 |
| c0ffee | it commonly hurts to do so :) | 10:20 |
| Sulis | ah | 10:20 |
| inz | c0ffee, it really does | 10:20 |
| inz | c0ffee, that's why I only do it sometimes | 10:21 |
| inz | Normally just ignore the high price and buy things anyway ;) | 10:21 |
| Sulis | i don't suppose there's any kind of media player for the n800 with a web interface? or even a kind of music player that can have a visual client program running on a remote computer? | 10:22 |
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| Tak | there's glurp, but I think it's the reverse of what you want | 10:23 |
| Sulis | hmm, no, if i could run mpd on the n800 that would be quite good | 10:25 |
| Tak | I don't see why not | 10:27 |
| Tak | hmm, I think I'm having the same issue with the bora env too | 10:27 |
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| * sp3000 wonders who to blame when #2006-11-23T22:45:17 in a link alternate in the feed reader comes to the browser urlescaped such that the anchor doesn't work | 10:34 | |
| roope | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/n800.ars/1 | 10:35 |
| konfoo | is there a CHM reader for the n800? anyone? | 10:36 |
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| Tak | goo review | 10:44 |
| Tak | +d | 10:44 |
| cybergyp1y | konfoo: try fbreader - its ace | 10:46 |
| cybergyp1y | konfoo: http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/ | 10:47 |
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| konfoo | cybergyp1y: just adding the source as you mentioned it ;) | 10:48 |
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| tigert | morning | 10:58 |
| tigert | Sulis: mylo has a tiny small screen with very low resolution | 10:58 |
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| tigert | its "cute" but I wouldnt browse the web with it really | 10:58 |
| konfoo | its horrid | 10:58 |
| tigert | it has cool blue leds though | 10:59 |
| tigert | that pulsate nicely | 10:59 |
| konfoo | a child's toy :) | 10:59 |
| konfoo | ahh fbreader works like a charm with chm files | 10:59 |
| Sulis | tigert: you've used one? | 10:59 |
| tigert | played with one briefly | 11:00 |
| tigert | what kind of uses are you looking for? | 11:00 |
| bergie_ | "When you first attempt to access the Internet, you'll be presented with a list of available wireless networks. Pick one, authenticate if necessary, and you're ready to surf. The N800 can remember up to four connections and associated passwords." | 11:00 |
| tigert | for web browsing the N800 is the best mobile browser so far I have seen | 11:00 |
| bergie_ | WTF? I though it remembers as many as you need | 11:00 |
| tigert | and the screen is nice | 11:00 |
| tigert | bergie_: eh? | 11:00 |
| tigert | bergie_: indeed | 11:01 |
| bergie_ | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/n800.ars/3 | 11:01 |
| tigert | where is this? | 11:01 |
| tigert | perhaps the clever person counted that the dialog fits four lines :) | 11:01 |
| tigert | and didnt assume we have the feature of scrollbars :) | 11:01 |
| konfoo | lol | 11:01 |
| tigert | AFAIK I think it should remember more | 11:02 |
| tigert | and there is no real reason why it couldnt | 11:02 |
| * tigert thinks the reviewer had a brain fart | 11:02 | |
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| konfoo | hmm the n800 owrks great as an rf jammer | 11:04 |
| tigert | hehe | 11:04 |
| tigert | "The N800's menu system is well-thought-out and easy to use" | 11:05 |
| konfoo | if i put it between my rf keyboard and receiver no text comes through | 11:05 |
| tigert | hey! see! | 11:05 |
| koen | tigert: yeah 2 submenus called 'extra' is well thought out | 11:06 |
| tigert | koen: my point exactly | 11:06 |
| tigert | we need something different at some point | 11:06 |
| konfoo | you guys complain a lot | 11:06 |
| konfoo | :) | 11:06 |
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| tigert | we see and hear it all | 11:07 |
| roope | Yeah. :) | 11:07 |
| tigert | in the ui team | 11:08 |
| tigert | and we know its not the best solution but that's what we have now | 11:08 |
| roope | It's easy to be critical, since we know (well nearly) all of the bugs. Even those that the average user won't understand that are bugs. | 11:08 |
| tigert | now, how to do it better and taking everything into account while doing it, is a good question | 11:08 |
| * tigert builds a new deb of Plankton while pondering that | 11:09 | |
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| konfoo | when's that smaller font in plankton coming? | 11:09 |
| * konfoo whistles | 11:09 | |
| tigert | it wont :) | 11:10 |
| tigert | do it yourself :) | 11:10 |
| konfoo | boo hiss | 11:10 |
| tigert | its hard enough to use without a stylus already :) | 11:11 |
| tigert | and I dont have a stylus when I finger-type with the finger keyboard a lot | 11:11 |
| tigert | so it makes sense to have stuff not-that-tiny | 11:11 |
| c0ffee | i normally finger-type on the normal keyboard | 11:11 |
| c0ffee | it's quicker somehow | 11:12 |
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| jacques | dang how do you do that? | 11:19 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:26 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:34 |
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| part | tigert: why isn't there a repository for the theme package? would make updates easier... | 11:50 |
| maddler | morning all! | 11:50 |
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| tigert | need to do that sometime | 12:01 |
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| Jaffa | morning, all | 12:09 |
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| part | tigert: how about just uploading it to extras? | 12:25 |
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| tigert | yea, will need to look into that | 12:31 |
| bergie_ | tigert: does the theme have a garage project yet? | 12:34 |
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| tigert | no | 12:38 |
| tigert | because it is part of HAF | 12:38 |
| tigert | it is in sardine, the development theme | 12:39 |
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| X-Fade | bergie: It automagically gets build here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine-experimental/main/h/hildon-theme-plankton/ | 13:08 |
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| tigert | but | 13:14 |
| tigert | yes, I am thinking of moving it to garage | 13:14 |
| part | yes, well, garage -> extras | 13:15 |
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| kkito | hello | 13:35 |
| kkito | is it possible to detect where the pen is untapped from touchscreen? | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | yes, you get a mouse release event there | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | I assume | 13:36 |
| kkito | mgedmin, ah ok :) thx | 13:37 |
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| mgedmin | so far all the repositories on my n800 are specifically for bora | 13:52 |
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| mgedmin | however I did not find maemo-mapper | 13:52 |
| timely | does the 770 maemomapper not work? | 13:52 |
| mgedmin | does the os2006 version work on os2007? | 13:52 |
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| Streg | mgedmin:yes. | 13:53 |
| mgedmin | I'd like to avoid adding mistral repositories to the app manager | 13:54 |
| mgedmin | maybe that's silly of me | 13:54 |
| |tbb|_ | is the source of the built in picture viewer of the n800 available? | 13:56 |
| Streg | mgedmin: just click the .deb from garage, no repos needed :) | 13:57 |
| mgedmin | duh | 13:57 |
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| timely | people who can physically peer over my shoulder are welcome to do so | 14:15 |
| kkito | i want to do a package that installs some files to the /media/mmc1, but the dpkg -i fails because it cannot set the ownership of the files/directories. Do you know how to do it? | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | now where did I put that remote for my spy satellite... | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | kkito: it seems to me to be a bad idea to require an MMC card for an application | 14:18 |
| kkito | mgedmin, is for the quale2 game, you dont want to install the game data files to the internal flash .... | 14:19 |
| mgedmin | probably not | 14:19 |
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| kkito | then for some apps we need to install some data files to the sd card.... And because the sd is vfat it hasnot got the ownership property, then how to install some files and dirs to the SD card without the dpkg fails claiming that it cannot set the ownership bit? | 14:22 |
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| mgedmin | I do not see a way, kkito | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | perhaps offer the game data as a separate download | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | and make the game launcher in your deb offer to download it automatically | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | bonus points for letting the user choose one of the two sd cards on the n800 | 14:29 |
| ocnarfid8 | install to the local card then move to the mmc in the postinstall? | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | that seems to be a bit pointless, if the game data does not fit in the builtin flash | 14:29 |
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| kkito | ocnarfid8, well it can be possible. Because only few kbytes of data is published witrh the package, because the quake2 original data cannot be distributed freely | 14:30 |
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| mgedmin | if the data fits in the internal flash, just keep it there | 14:32 |
| kkito | mgedmin, but it must to be complemented with the original quake2 data that it is 300 MB or more | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | but you cannot distribute the quake2 data anyway | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | so you cannot put it in the deb, right? | 14:33 |
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| mgedmin | if the user has it, tell him to put it in the mmc card | 14:33 |
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| kkito | mgedmin, offcourse... but the installer can create the correct directories, and there are some data files that aren't from official quake2 that must to be installed too | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 14:34 |
| kkito | sorry but my english is very bad, ai dont know if you can understand me :D | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | must these files be in the same place? | 14:35 |
| kkito | mgedmin, yes | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | I think I understand you perfectly | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | just not the whole situation | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 14:35 |
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| kkito | anyways it is only a very early release, because i dont want to work so much with it because the game must to be played with a 400x240 resolution for a good framerate (15-25 fps), and it is annoying without the double pixel feature on the n800. If nokia releases that feature on next updates or implements the powervr support, then i will make a really maemoized build, with a good graphical configuration and better controls... | 14:38 |
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| k-s | what do I need to get window title set? | 14:46 |
| k-s | I'm using SDL and its WM_SetCaption() | 14:47 |
| k-s | it uses XSetWMName() internally | 14:47 |
| k-s | but it still fails to display | 14:47 |
| k-s | so I wonder which X property does hildon-desktop/matchbox uses | 14:48 |
| kkito | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#gui | 14:50 |
| kkito | program = HILDON_PROGRAM(hildon_program_get_instance()); | 14:51 |
| kkito | g_set_application_name("App Title"); | 14:51 |
| kkito | /* Create HildonWindow and set it to HildonProgram */ | 14:51 |
| kkito | window = HILDON_WINDOW(hildon_window_new()); | 14:51 |
| kkito | hildon_program_add_window(program, window); | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | k-s: have you read http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GameDevelopment?highlight=%28SDL%29#head-c91f345718121fbd009c639728f9de0104308789 ? | 14:52 |
| k-s | kkito: it's an SDL app, not hildon... should I use hildon program anyway? | 14:53 |
| etrunko | k-s: no way | 14:53 |
| k-s | etrunko: that's what I imagined | 14:53 |
| k-s | mgedmin: it doesn't work | 14:54 |
| etrunko | k-s: still get that "unknown"? | 14:55 |
| k-s | I already have SDL_WM_SetCaption() (see above) and SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS set properly | 14:55 |
| k-s | etrunko: yep | 14:55 |
| etrunko | k-s: and it works in 770 | 14:55 |
| k-s | mgedmin: any other idea? | 14:56 |
| mgedmin | no :( | 14:58 |
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| etrunko | k-s: fill a bug?? | 15:01 |
| etrunko | hehe | 15:01 |
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| k-s | etrunko: http://maemo.org/lxr/source/gtk%2B/gdk/x11/gdkwindow-x11.c#2685 | 15:34 |
| k-s | SDL set WM_NAME, while GDK set _NET_WM_NAME | 15:34 |
| k-s | ouch | 15:34 |
| k-s | that sucks | 15:34 |
| etrunko | k-s: damn | 15:36 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 15:36 |
| pyhimys | Is canola ported for n800 allready? | 15:37 |
| etrunko | pyhimys: on the way | 15:38 |
| pyhimys | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=264&group_id=125&atid=532 | 15:38 |
| pyhimys | Trac,er | 15:38 |
| pyhimys | tracker says it's closed | 15:38 |
| kkito | we must to wait for the beta2 release... | 15:40 |
| kkito | k-s, i think that you can call the XchangeProperty directly then.... http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window-information/XChangeProperty.html | 15:40 |
| kkito | and get the properties with http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window-information/XGetWindowProperty.html | 15:41 |
| k-s | pyhimys: do you want to be an earlier tester? | 15:41 |
| k-s | we're recruiting :-) | 15:41 |
| kkito | k-s, iep i want too! :D | 15:42 |
| pyhimys | k-s: sure, haven't bricked the device yet ;) | 15:42 |
| kkito | k-s, i havnt the nickname registered in freenode i cannot do private messages i think | 15:42 |
| k-s | kkito: no problem, just say it here | 15:43 |
| kkito | thankyou | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | k-s: Can I test too? :) | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | yay, maemo-mapper appeared in extras for bora | 15:49 |
| k-s | X-Fade: sure | 15:49 |
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| k-s | canola is due to be released tomorrow, if no showstopper is found | 15:51 |
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| koen | released as in 'source'? | 15:52 |
| andrunko | koen: not yet | 15:52 |
| kkito | k-s, the installation goes ok using the canola.install :) | 16:03 |
| k-s | koen: put some pressure on how good would be canola as open source | 16:04 |
| k-s | koen: also, when you come for bossa conference, try to talk to our managers | 16:04 |
| Veggen | k-s: Have they solved the problems, yet? | 16:04 |
| koen | k-s: you mean get them drunk and steal the source? | 16:05 |
| Veggen | (s/they/you/ ?) | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | Hmm is it me, or is Canola actually slower on N800 than on 770? | 16:05 |
| etrunko | koen: lol | 16:05 |
| epx | hehe | 16:06 |
| k-s | X-Fade: it's slower | 16:08 |
| k-s | X-Fade: check tracker to see how to speed it up | 16:08 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: run gconftool-2 --set /apps/canola/ui_frame_delay -t int 15000 as user | 16:09 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: check https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=363&group_id=125&atid=529 | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | andrunko: Yeah, just found it in the tracker ;) | 16:11 |
| pyhimys | Canola thinks my .mp4 video files are audio, should I file a bug-report? | 16:11 |
| andrunko | pyhimys: please do it | 16:12 |
| etrunko | ok i promisse to release gconf-editor till tomorrow | 16:12 |
| etrunko | :P | 16:12 |
| andrunko | etrunko: :) | 16:12 |
| k-s | pyhimys: try to change GConf option extensions_audio | 16:12 |
| k-s | pyhimys: canola-conf-set_extensions_audio.sh | 16:13 |
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| andrunko | and extensions_video also | 16:13 |
| k-s | pyhimys: I did think that mp4 were just audio | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | k-s: Ah, that is _much_ better ;) | 16:13 |
| k-s | X-Fade: but is the tearing effect too annoying or you can accept it | 16:14 |
| k-s | ? | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | k-s: I hate waiting more than I hate tearing.. | 16:14 |
| andrunko | heh, most beta testers said the same | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | An application needs to be responsive. Adding delays to avoid tearing is not my thing :) | 16:15 |
| tzz | k-s: canola N800 beta2 bug report: gmediaserver register as a server, but no songs are found. Otherwise it has worked perfectly for me. | 16:22 |
| andrunko | tzz: see https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=219&group_id=125&atid=529 | 16:24 |
| andrunko | it's not a canola bug | 16:24 |
| andrunko | the same happens with ushare | 16:24 |
| tzz | OK, thanks | 16:25 |
| tzz | I may try fuppes tonight I guess | 16:27 |
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| zbenjamin | hi @ all | 16:30 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm scrolling between picture,video,audio while holding your finger pressed on the screen takes about 80% cpu :) That makes me wonder if that can't be optimized somehow.. | 16:32 |
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| kkito | if you open a not supported video file with canola, then a black square appears but if you go back to select another video, the black square didnt dissapears, you must to open a supported video file and then go back to remove the black square | 16:35 |
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| lsobral | kkito, please fill a bug | 16:40 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 16:45 |
| zbenjamin | is it possible to wait with sleep() for a dbus signal? | 16:47 |
| zbenjamin | i send a dbus request and go to sleep and wait for the answer | 16:47 |
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| Robot101 | zbenjamin: no, if you want to block your program use dbus_connection_read_write_dispatch | 16:47 |
| zbenjamin | Robot101, okay i need to use the osso_iap_get_statistics is there a blocking version too? | 16:48 |
| zbenjamin | or do i have to create my own blocking function? | 16:48 |
| Robot101 | oh... just go into the mainloop? | 16:48 |
| zbenjamin | the problem is i have no mainloop i want to dump the connection statistic every 20 seconds to a file / stdout | 16:49 |
| zbenjamin | do maemo have a pastebin'? | 16:50 |
| zbenjamin | !pastebin | 16:50 |
| c0ffee | try nomorepasting.com | 16:50 |
| Robot101 | zbenjamin: that would be trivial with a mainloop | 16:51 |
| Robot101 | so yes, your problem is you have no mainloop. | 16:51 |
| zbenjamin | http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=74286 | 16:53 |
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| zbenjamin | Robot101, thats the code | 16:55 |
| zbenjamin | maybe i do the dbus call by myself? | 16:57 |
| Robot101 | just use a mainloop | 16:59 |
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| Robot101 | g_idle_add (callback, 30000) | 16:59 |
| zbenjamin | callback == my callback ? | 17:01 |
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| Robot101 | in your timeout function, call the osso iap thing, then return TRUE so it keeps scheduling your call | 17:03 |
| Robot101 | then every time you get the OSSO IAP signal, print | 17:03 |
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| zbenjamin | okay i need a new callback function that gets called from the mainloop. There i have to call the osso_iap_get_statistics go back into mainloop and wait for the SIGNAL | 17:05 |
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| inz | Robot, you probably mean g_timeout_add instead of g_idle_add? | 17:11 |
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| zbenjamin | ? what do i have to use? | 17:14 |
| kkito | i think that canola needs a direct access shortcut to the now playing screen | 17:14 |
| andrunko | kkito: file a feature request | 17:14 |
| inz | zbenjamin, g_timeout_add(30000, _get_statistics, NULL); or something like that | 17:15 |
| zbenjamin | while(1){ g_timeout_add(30000, _get_statistics, NULL);} ?? this is enough? | 17:15 |
| k-s | kkito: do you know that from every screen, clicking on the big icon on the left goes to home? Than it's quick to go to nowplaying | 17:16 |
| inz | no, you use glib mainloop instead of your own. | 17:16 |
| k-s | kkito: you don't have to go "back" many times | 17:16 |
| k-s | X-Fade: about scrolling, it's hard, because we redraw texts on demand and you have to redraw almost the whole screen | 17:17 |
| kkito | k-s, true :), but anyway a direct acces will be a cool feature | 17:17 |
| inz | zbenjamin, i.e. GMainLoop *loop = g_main_loop_new(NULL, FALSE); g_timeout_add(30000, _get_statistics, NULL); g_main_loop_run(loop); | 17:17 |
| k-s | X-Fade: if we keep 8000 text lines rendered on memory, it would bring n800 to knees | 17:17 |
| zbenjamin | AH okay | 17:17 |
| kkito | then canola needs a memory management | 17:18 |
| inz | zbenjamin, then, if you have used dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main (or something that calls it), and have added a dbus match for the signal and installed a filter, it will get called | 17:19 |
| zbenjamin | inz, thank you i hope that osso_iap_get_statistics will do this | 17:19 |
| kkito | and i think that i shortcut for pause/play and volume is necessary too... n800 hasnt an external volume control, then if you are not on the now playing screen on canola you cannot change de volume, and sometime you need fast access to the volume for example if you recives a phone call | 17:21 |
| andrunko | kkito: volume you can use the hardware keys | 17:21 |
| kkito | ah ok :D | 17:21 |
| kkito | oh, canola crashed... | 17:22 |
| andrunko | kkito: can you reproduce? | 17:22 |
| andrunko | kkito, X-Fade: please join #canola | 17:23 |
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| inz | zbenjamin, you might need to explicitly call dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main | 17:25 |
| zbenjamin | so i have a problem because i cannot access the connection object | 17:25 |
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| k-s | pyhimys: mp4 can be both audio and video? | 17:27 |
| zbenjamin | inz, it seems that it gets not called | 17:29 |
| inz | zbenjamin, well, dbus_bus_get (which osso-ic uses) returns a shared bus. | 17:30 |
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| inz | zbenjamin, so if you call dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main(dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, NULL), NULL); you should do just fine | 17:31 |
| zbenjamin | i have to call it BEFORE entering the mainloop? | 17:32 |
| inz | zbenjamin, yeah | 17:32 |
| inz | zbenjamin, you can call it from the inside too, but I'd say it's not too smart | 17:32 |
| zbenjamin | its still not working it seems i miss something | 17:37 |
| Tak | doesn't that function create a main loop? | 17:38 |
| pyhimys | k-s: I suppose so. http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=MP4 | 17:38 |
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| zbenjamin | Tak, what function? | 17:39 |
| Tak | dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main() | 17:39 |
| zbenjamin | my new code: http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=74288 | 17:40 |
| k-s | pyhimys: I'll leave it as both video and audio | 17:40 |
| zbenjamin | dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main (DBusConnection *connection, GMainContext *context) | 17:40 |
| zbenjamin | Sets the watch and timeout functions of a DBusConnection to integrate the connection with the GLib main loop. | 17:40 |
| zbenjamin | inz, can you have a look at my paste? | 17:41 |
| pyhimys | k-s: that's propably for the best. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2006/02/08/how-to-convert-digital-audio-files.html | 17:42 |
| pyhimys | k-s: that says for the mpe : "An ISO standard format that offers higher quality than MP3 at the same bit rate" | 17:43 |
| pyhimys | mp4 that is | 17:43 |
| pyhimys | Isn't there possibility to snoop mimetype magically from the file headers rather than extension? | 17:46 |
| inz | zbenjamin, maybe later, going home now | 17:46 |
| k-s | pyhimys: it's MUCH slower than just checking filename | 17:46 |
| zbenjamin | inz, hm its just a few lines of code | 17:46 |
| zbenjamin | inz, well i will be here tomorrow | 17:47 |
| pyhimys | k-s: yeah, there's that. | 17:47 |
| k-s | pyhimys: to check file extension is done by reading folder entries, it's fast, almost always cached... | 17:47 |
| zbenjamin | inz, or maybe this evening | 17:47 |
| k-s | pyhimys: but opening a file is slow, really... but it could be done when parsing, since the folder is already opened anyway... | 17:47 |
| k-s | pyhimys: but we'll miss that in this release | 17:48 |
| k-s | sorry | 17:48 |
| Tak | http://rafb.net/p/qTzImm60.html | 17:48 |
| pyhimys | k-s: no problem :) You're doing amazing job anyway | 17:48 |
| k-s | thanks | 17:48 |
| pyhimys | Can't wait to show canola my Apple loving, ipod-hugging friends ;) | 17:49 |
| wumpus | hehe | 17:51 |
| andrunko | :) | 17:51 |
| Tak | is there a canola release for n800 yet? | 17:52 |
| andrunko | Tak: just for the beta testers for now | 17:53 |
| Tak | is this an open beta? ;-) | 17:53 |
| k-s | Tak: not yet | 17:54 |
| k-s | but maybe we release it here earlier | 17:54 |
| k-s | :-) | 17:54 |
| k-s | andrunko: right? | 17:54 |
| andrunko | all of you that want to test please add "deb http://tester:beta2@openbossa.indt.org/canola/repository-beta2 bora user" to your sources.list | 17:55 |
| andrunko | or better, just access http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/repository-beta2/ | 17:55 |
| andrunko | there is an one click install file there | 17:56 |
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| andrunko | user: tester - password: beta2 | 17:56 |
| Tak | I appreciate that canola is so easy to theme, btw | 17:56 |
| Veggen | how does the one-click install work? is the repository added for the future updates, and for other packages in the same repository, too? (not tried it yet) | 17:57 |
| Tak | Veggen: yes | 17:57 |
| rhsanborn | Hey devs. Does anyone know if someone is working on porting skype to the 800. Or are they jst waiting for the official release? | 17:57 |
| Robot101 | rhsanborn: you can't port it without the source, so there can only be an official release... | 17:58 |
| Veggen | rhsanborn: There will probably be an official release. And skype is not open source, so porting for others is rather difficult. | 17:58 |
| tzz | Ari Jaaksi's blog says Skype is coming later this year, but no specifics | 17:59 |
| pyhimys | I cheated and renamed the mp4 files into avi | 17:59 |
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| rhsanborn | Veggen, Robot101 , i forgot that it was closed. I use it often and hate waiting until summer. | 18:00 |
| Veggen | personally, I sort of hate skype. I hate the tendency that "home ip-telephony" is in risk of being another proprietary protocol. | 18:01 |
| Robot101 | why not use some more open standards like google talk? | 18:01 |
| Tak | agreed | 18:02 |
| rhsanborn | Only becaue skype was first and now it is very difficult to get my sphere of people to change. | 18:02 |
| Veggen | rhsanborn: exactly the problem, I'd say :) | 18:02 |
| Veggen | People think free as in beer is "good enough", when it isn't really. | 18:03 |
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| rhsanborn | Well. Skype works...its free, they know how to use it... | 18:04 |
| rhsanborn | That said | 18:04 |
| Veggen | rhsanborn: it's Microsoft all over again. And I wouldn't like that to happen to ip-telephony :) | 18:04 |
| pbrook | thomasvs: By your own statement, not it doesn't, and only as in beer .... | 18:04 |
| rhsanborn | Jabber is open, right? | 18:05 |
| Veggen | jabber is open. | 18:05 |
| Pierre | jabber is free (as in free). | 18:05 |
| rhsanborn | And supports video, no? | 18:05 |
| Veggen | well, sort of. Most clients doesn't, but I think the standard does? | 18:06 |
| rhsanborn | I'd like to find something that works w/ the 800's camera | 18:06 |
| Robot101 | rhsanborn: the video stuff it does is open, it's Jingle | 18:07 |
| Robot101 | Nokia made a Windows client too: http://videovoip.tableteer.nokia.com/ | 18:07 |
| rhsanborn | I haven't had much luck w/ nokias client so far | 18:08 |
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| Robot101 | rhsanborn: the windows one, or the one on the N800? | 18:12 |
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| rhsanborn | The 800 to a win client | 18:12 |
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| rhsanborn | I've sent the invitation, but the win client won't add the 800 to the contacts and won't see an incoming call | 18:15 |
| |tbb|_ | u have to click the link on the nokia homepage addcontact | 18:18 |
| rhsanborn | Aye, I did...nothing. I did, however, not try it in IE | 18:19 |
| timely | tzz: didn't they announce Skype @CES? | 18:19 |
| rhsanborn | Skype is supposed to be released end Q2 | 18:20 |
| c0ffee | q2 which year? :) | 18:20 |
| rhsanborn | :P | 18:20 |
| timely | @CES they said this year | 18:20 |
| timely | and given that CES was in January, i think it's pretty safe to assume they aren't confusing years | 18:21 |
| rhsanborn | I think that he was joking | 18:22 |
| timely | @CES? | 18:22 |
| timely | in front of all that press? | 18:22 |
| timely | r you mean coffee? | 18:22 |
| timely | i need sleep, i don't think coffee would help me (clearly hasn't so far) | 18:22 |
| rhsanborn | I think coffee was joking | 18:23 |
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| fish_ | re | 18:31 |
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| RobHu | Are there any good applications for the n800 for taking notes in meetings, e.g. where you can draw diagrams and so on? | 18:34 |
| timely | i presume you consider sketch a bad app :) | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | RobHu: I believe someone's got the 770's Xournal port working on the N800 | 18:35 |
| RobHu | err... maybe something better for that purpose would be nice ;-) | 18:36 |
| RobHu | Jaffa: Thanks, I'll look at Xournal. | 18:36 |
| timely | i've played w/ xournal a bit, i was really not impressed :( | 18:36 |
| RobHu | I just ordered my n800, it won't arrive for a few days - but I am very exicted :D | 18:36 |
| timely | but i'm fairly picky | 18:36 |
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| * timely filed a couple of bugs about fmradio | 18:36 | |
| * timely has another couple to file | 18:36 | |
| timely | fmradio w/ valentine theme w/ portuguese - brazil locale is not pretty :) | 18:37 |
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| florian | hi all | 18:38 |
| maddler | florian: heya | 18:38 |
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| maddler | ghghghgh | 18:42 |
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| acidborg | hi | 18:56 |
| acidborg | Is GTK 2.10 support soon to come? | 18:56 |
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| * pahartik finds out that getting Maemo 2.2 to communicate with DUN is even more difficult than setting up networking with PAN | 20:15 | |
| mgedmin | maddler: hi | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | I believe you've contributed vim.xml to mud-builder? | 20:23 |
| ocnarfid8 | There is a N800 launch party tonight in NYC, I may go. | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | I have a patch for it | 20:23 |
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| myren | im' a little far away from ny | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | eek beagle ate 74 gigs (!!) and filled up my ~ completely | 20:28 |
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| Tak | hmm, so I've tracked down my g++ issue to the -mcpu=arm926ej-s flag | 20:29 |
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| koen | Tak: in their infinite wisdom gcc people changed that flag between gcc3 and gcc4, to make things worse | 20:33 |
| matt_c | mgedmin: but it knows where everything is now. | 20:33 |
| koen | so when maemo2 updates to gcc4: *poof* | 20:33 |
| Tak | s'ok - I can't use it anyway without g++ eating all my memory and then blowing its brains out | 20:33 |
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| * pahartik assumes that document at "http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO-BluetoothNetworking" is broken for DUN | 20:34 | |
| mgedmin | matt_c: not really, 73 gigs out of that are in a single log file repeating one error message saying that it one (and the same) email message in my spam mailbox is an ill-formed XML file | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | how stupid is that? | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | speaking of indexers, does anybody else dislike the new media player | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | or rather its method of library management? | 20:36 |
| Tak | heh, my fiancee hates it | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | "so what if you've swapped your mmc cards around, I'll pretend that nothing changed and will just refuse to play anything" | 20:38 |
| tzz | I should see if Canola+Avahi notices that correctly | 20:39 |
| tzz | since I have 2 2GB cards | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | it could at least have a menu option "please reindex" | 20:39 |
| etrunko | i've just uploaded gconf-editor to extras repository | 20:39 |
| matt_c | ouch | 20:39 |
| etrunko | both 2.x and 3.x | 20:39 |
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| mgedmin | I had a symlink ~/MyDocs/.sounds/mmc -> /media/mmc1/mp3 | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | so the media player, of course, duplicated every mp3 on my card | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | I removed the symlink, switched back to the media player, and saw that it was "refreshing" | 20:40 |
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| mgedmin | 30 seconds later it refreshed (incrementally) the whole song list with all the same duplicates | 20:40 |
| tzz | mgedmin: heh, you have to admit that's not a common scenario | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | I gave up, installed sqlite 3 and went to google to learn the syntax of the SQL "LIKE" expressions :) | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | tzz: agreed | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't mind removing the existing wrong metadata and reindexing | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | if I only knew how to trigger the reindexing | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | time to go file some bugs | 20:42 |
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| inz | re | 20:52 |
| tigert | re | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | wow, I filed a beagle bug and got a response from the developers saying that they can reproduce it from the test case WITHIN TWO MINUTES | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | amazing | 20:53 |
| Tak | very nice | 20:53 |
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| Michael | good afternoon | 20:55 |
| Michael | I am a newbie with Maemo.... and I have a few questions that I hope someone will help me out with | 20:55 |
| Michael | I have a N800 that I am trying to get the power levels of access points around me | 20:56 |
| Michael | I am using aircrack and to a point it works, but it (aircrack) doesn't report the power levels. All of the access points show up with a power level of -96 | 20:58 |
| Michael | I know that it can be done, because I have done it with the standard aircrack-ng on other linux distributions | 20:59 |
| Michael | I do hope that someone will be able to assist me | 20:59 |
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| tigert | what do you mean by power levels? | 21:00 |
| tigert | how strong they are? | 21:01 |
| Michael | ok if I am sitting across the room (10 ft at most) from an access point | 21:01 |
| tigert | it could be the wlan driver and aircrack do not exactly understand each other on maemo | 21:01 |
| tigert | the "Connection manager" app in Tools shows a crude level of 4 bars | 21:01 |
| tigert | which is better than nothing of course | 21:01 |
| Michael | it should register the power level (rf strength) some where in the -50 - -60 range | 21:02 |
| Michael | ok, is there a way to change the wlan driver to something that can report power levels? | 21:02 |
| tigert | no idea :/ | 21:03 |
| tigert | what about iwconfig? | 21:03 |
| tigert | it reports the signal level | 21:03 |
| Michael | yes it does, | 21:03 |
| Michael | let me look and see what it reports the power as | 21:03 |
| tigert | maybe the wlan chip just doesnt report that correctly - but I know nothing about this stuff really more than this | 21:04 |
| Michael | I am in the same boat here | 21:04 |
| tigert | I just make pretty themes and try to do UI :) | 21:04 |
| Michael | iwconfig does report the power levels but i would like to some how get that to incorporate into aircrack | 21:05 |
| Michael | because the way i look at it, if iwconfig reports it correctly, then so should aircrack | 21:05 |
| Michael | make sense? | 21:05 |
| tigert | yeah | 21:06 |
| Michael | ok, how about this now.... | 21:06 |
| tigert | maybe ask the aircrack port author? | 21:06 |
| Michael | there is an application out there called wmwave | 21:06 |
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| tigert | kismet might work too, dunno if that was ported | 21:07 |
| Michael | this basically does what iwconfig does, but shows it in a "graphical" interface | 21:07 |
| tigert | I think it can report signal levels | 21:07 |
| Michael | i have the armel package but when i install it i get an error saying that libc6 2.5 needs to be installed | 21:07 |
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| Michael | but there is no armel package for libc6 that i can find | 21:08 |
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| garrett | tigert: kistmet runs fine on my n800 fwiw | 21:08 |
| tigert | is it for OS2007? | 21:08 |
| Michael | yes | 21:08 |
| tigert | garrett: hm, can you help michael with the package? | 21:08 |
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| Michael | kismet runs fine on mine too | 21:08 |
| tigert | garrett: perhaps there is a repository missing? | 21:08 |
| tigert | ah ok | 21:08 |
| tigert | does it report the levels? | 21:08 |
| garrett | oh | 21:08 |
| garrett | hmm | 21:08 |
| tigert | garrett: disregard :) | 21:08 |
| Michael | but i need to get it working with aircrack | 21:08 |
| tigert | since it works | 21:09 |
| tigert | Michael: I think the best bet is to mail the guy who ported it to maemo | 21:09 |
| Michael | ok... will do | 21:09 |
| tigert | or if there is a mailing list or suhc? | 21:09 |
| Michael | where is a good repository? | 21:09 |
| tigert | well | 21:10 |
| tigert | if there is a repository that some app has dependencies in, the website usually mentions it | 21:10 |
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| Michael | ok... i guess i will have to look around | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | is it just me, or is the traffic in maemo lists higher than the traffic in ubuntu lists these days? | 21:11 |
| Michael | well... that can only be a good thing | 21:12 |
| Michael | :-D | 21:12 |
| Michael | this little nokia has gotten me so involved with linux | 21:13 |
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| Michael | which i have not had any experience with | 21:13 |
| Michael | since 2 weeks ago ;-) | 21:13 |
| Tak | mgedmin: yeah - I like it though | 21:13 |
| tigert | Michael: :) | 21:13 |
| s-ndh-c | does itos2007 run on n770 too? | 21:15 |
| tigert | negative | 21:15 |
| tigert | there is a hax0r edition | 21:16 |
| Michael | ok for all of you wlan experst out there\ | 21:16 |
| tigert | that is basically the developer filesystem for testing software | 21:16 |
| Michael | this is my thing... | 21:16 |
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| s-ndh-c | does it have a newer gtk? | 21:17 |
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| s-ndh-c | or is it still 2.6? | 21:17 |
| tigert | I think os2007 is 2.6 still | 21:17 |
| Michael | I just ran kismet and it says the following" server is not reporting card powerlevels. No signal information is avaiable" | 21:17 |
| tko | os2007 is 2.6.10 | 21:17 |
| s-ndh-c | oh | 21:17 |
| tigert | s-ndh-c: "cairo" is the magic word here | 21:18 |
| s-ndh-c | would be cool if i could have that on my device(n770) for development | 21:18 |
| tko | cairo is a five letter word :) | 21:18 |
| tigert | s-ndh-c: you can have os2007 for development on your device | 21:18 |
| tigert | http://www.notacloud.com/blog/?p=27 | 21:18 |
| ajturner | besides, probably better to dev on a desk/laptop | 21:19 |
| s-ndh-c | so i could test that hildon-1 branch on the device | 21:19 |
| tigert | But this is not an official release. It\u2019s not a end-user ready release. It\u2019s a tool to allow developers to continue working on the 770, moving on to the OS 2007 / Bora software platform, bridging the gap between 770 and N800. It\u2019s less than alpha. No Q.A. was done on it and who knows what it might do. It should not brick your device but then again, we can\u2019t be totally sure of that either. I\u2019m running it on my 770 and s | 21:19 |
| tigert | Multimedia is still quite broken, but there\u2019s still hope. | 21:19 |
| tigert | Have a look at Markku\u2019s notes if you are interested in the gory details. You will also find there instructions for how to flash this release on your 770. Markku is updating these notes as he continues to work on this. Help is appreciated. The wiki page is open to contributions. Additions and corrections are welcome, including suggestions for addressing the remaining issues. | 21:19 |
| tigert | eeeeeerrgk | 21:20 |
| tigert | sorry | 21:20 |
| tigert | stupid X cut buffer | 21:20 |
| tigert | that was way more than I intended to paste | 21:20 |
| Michael | lol | 21:20 |
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| s-ndh-c | :) | 21:21 |
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| mgedmin | tigert: you know a lot about maemo and theming, right? | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | is there a way for the theme to tell statusbar applets what would be a good text colour to use? | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | black panel clock on a dark blue status bar is a bit invisible | 21:23 |
| tko | tigert, common theme for us, if we're not using it (like text in status bar) it's probably badly themed | 21:25 |
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| tko | someone should make sure our gtkrc's include settings for all kinds of colors even if we don't immediately use it | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | how does the drawing of status bar applets work? | 21:26 |
| tigert | mgedmin: well | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | when it is exposed, does the desktop/matchbox/whatever first draw an empty bar, and then each applet draws itself? | 21:27 |
| tigert | mgedmin: there are logical colours defined in gtkrc | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | perhaps the applet could sample the pixel colour at its location and choose black or white depending on that? | 21:27 |
| tko | could be fairly easy to check the average brightness of status bar background image and save the background color for bg[NORMAL] etc. | 21:27 |
| tigert | mgedmin: I am not sure if there is anything defined for that thing though | 21:27 |
| tko | and same for fg[] and text[] and all that | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | I tried to look at the gtkrc files in the n800 themes | 21:28 |
| tigert | yea, the problem is when the themes are all images | 21:28 |
| tigert | but | 21:28 |
| tigert | tko: I think we could do something like PanelBackgroundColor and PanelForegroundColor? | 21:28 |
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| tigert | for such things - they generally should be approximately ok then | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | that would be nice, for the future at least | 21:28 |
| tigert | if the theme author uses some thought | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | could be also useful for this: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/lucasr/2007/02/13/0 | 21:29 |
| tigert | tko: I'll try to put plankton in garage soon | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | systray icons in the panel | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | err statusbar | 21:29 |
| tko | tigert, yeah, but we also need to assign the logical color for certain widgets so that statusbar widgets get the right color already by default | 21:29 |
| tigert | does garage have forums or wiki? | 21:29 |
| tko | tigert, both, I think | 21:29 |
| tigert | then we could use that for planning theme stuff | 21:30 |
| tigert | I hate this "all our widgets are actually gtk but we use our own weird naming for them" | 21:30 |
| tigert | ie, treeview is "listbox" etc crazy | 21:31 |
| tko | one wiki I found: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=125&type=g | 21:31 |
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| tko | tigert, I can see how the naming could be useful for UI design - call it a palette of widgets or something | 21:33 |
| tko | but I hate the naming as well :) | 21:33 |
| tigert | wtf, why does creativecommons page show in french? | 21:33 |
| tigert | tko: yeah | 21:33 |
| tigert | but it causes endless confusion | 21:33 |
| tigert | gtk should have a good scheme and everyone should use that | 21:33 |
| tko | I think it's only treeview that gets overloaded, for many widgets there's 1-to-1 mapping | 21:35 |
| Veggen | gconf-editor? does it work? (I see it's packaged) | 21:37 |
| tigert | it's good to be garage admin sometimes :) | 21:37 |
| tigert | damn | 21:38 |
| tigert | ferenc was faster! | 21:38 |
| tko | ? | 21:38 |
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| k-s | Veggen: it's not "that optimized" (ui-wise) but it works | 21:41 |
| Veggen | k-s: I see. | 21:41 |
| Veggen | good enough for me. | 21:42 |
| k-s | Veggen: try it... etrunko is the man behind its port | 21:42 |
| Veggen | it does seem to work, although I haven't tried to change anything ;) | 21:43 |
| Veggen | hmm. camera-is-out. | 21:44 |
| etrunko | lol | 21:44 |
| Veggen | internal-mmc-cover-open. | 21:44 |
| Veggen | on-camera-out. | 21:44 |
| kender | any where can I get the source of this project? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mgstmodplug/ | 21:44 |
| Veggen | Hmm. I see good possibilities for customizing functionality here. | 21:44 |
| kender | aren't all the garage project open source? | 21:44 |
| tko | kender, should be in the garage project... | 21:46 |
| * pbrook can't see any source there either. | 21:46 | |
| etrunko | is it possible to set one .install file for each OS in the new application catalog? | 21:46 |
| s-ndh-c | wow it boots lets see what works and what not :) | 21:46 |
| tko | hmm, I thought sources were required for garage project hosting .. misses pretty much the whole point otherwise | 21:46 |
| kender | the SVN is empty, and in download section there is not src | 21:46 |
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| etrunko | i have http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/install/gconf-editor.install for N800 | 21:47 |
| k-s | etrunko: you can use just one install | 21:47 |
| kender | etrunko, wow, thanks | 21:48 |
| k-s | just use both lines | 21:48 |
| etrunko | and http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/scirocco/install/gconf-editor.install for 770 | 21:48 |
| etrunko | k-s: the problem is i didn't create this file | 21:48 |
| kender | etrunko, the app is in the web page? | 21:48 |
| k-s | ah | 21:48 |
| etrunko | and i don't have access to it | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | k-s: the extras repository creates the install files automatically | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | I think the best solutions would be to change the application catalog | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | so that you could enter the fields in a web form | 21:48 |
| etrunko | kender: i'm trying to create an entry for it | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | and it would give you a single .install file for multiple OS versions | 21:48 |
| kender | etrunko, nice :) | 21:49 |
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| zyga | hello | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | where's the issue tracker for downloads.maemo.org? | 21:50 |
| zyga | is the n800 capable (on its own) to run the toolchain and build software or is cross compilation the only way to develop software for this platform? | 21:51 |
| tko | I have a better quiz: where's the issue tracker for garage.maemo.org ? :) | 21:51 |
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| kender | tko, hehee | 21:51 |
| tko | mgedmin, I'd try bugzilla | 21:51 |
| kender | tko, I'm still trying to get the admin of the maemo-fm project... | 21:52 |
| Veggen | zyga: there's not that much memory, but in theory, I don't see why it shouldn't work. | 21:52 |
| kender | I have mailed them, but they don't answer | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | I think it's at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo2midgard/ | 21:52 |
| tko | kender, is that the tableteer radio or something else? | 21:52 |
| kender | tko, it is a shell-fm port; a last.fm radio streamers player | 21:53 |
| Tak | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?group_id=106 | 21:53 |
| kender | know I'm dealing with Gstreamer, trying to learn how to do a plugin to make a new src element | 21:54 |
| kender | etrunko, gconf works really nice, thanks a lot! | 21:54 |
| etrunko | kender: you're welcome | 21:55 |
| etrunko | :) | 21:55 |
| kender | etrunko, but, you can't edit the keys? :S | 21:55 |
| s-ndh-c | is there xterm for the n800 too? or can i install the package for the n700 with that hacker edition? | 21:55 |
| kender | s-ndh-c, xterm is available for the n800 | 21:56 |
| etrunko | kender: try some clicks over the key | 21:56 |
| etrunko | s/over/on | 21:56 |
| kender | oh, hehe, over the Value | 21:56 |
| kender | no over the key itself | 21:56 |
| kender | hehe | 21:56 |
| etrunko | or over the value | 21:56 |
| etrunko | over the key it opens a dialog | 21:56 |
| kender | no for me | 21:57 |
| kender | :S | 21:57 |
| timely | hola | 21:57 |
| etrunko | at least it should | 21:57 |
| etrunko | :P | 21:57 |
| kender | hola timely :) | 21:57 |
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| kender | etrunko, over the value, the key could be edited | 21:57 |
| kender | over the key name, nothing happen | 21:57 |
| kender | hehe | 21:57 |
| timely | yo estoy buscando ayuda con el .. | 21:57 |
| etrunko | kender: works on 770 only | 22:00 |
| etrunko | :P | 22:00 |
| kender | etrunko, :S | 22:00 |
| kender | hehe | 22:00 |
| kender | and, so, why it is in bora repo ? :P | 22:00 |
| kender | *is it | 22:00 |
| etrunko | kender: because it sort of works | 22:01 |
| etrunko | :P | 22:01 |
| etrunko | hehe | 22:01 |
| timely | jefe de los applicationes | 22:01 |
| kender | etrunko, ok :) | 22:01 |
| etrunko | i'll try to fix it later | 22:01 |
| kender | etrunko, nice to hear that :D | 22:01 |
| kender | timely, no sabes ingles? | 22:02 |
| timely | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/install/maemoplazer.install | 22:03 |
| timely | perdoname :) | 22:03 |
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| kender | timely, no importa | 22:04 |
| Michael | hello again | 22:04 |
| maemokid | hi | 22:04 |
| timely | shouldclicking that link work? | 22:04 |
| Michael | does anyone here know how to change the wlan driver on a n800? | 22:04 |
| Michael | u have to double click | 22:05 |
| kender | timely, yes | 22:05 |
| timely | i got it from download.maeemo | 22:05 |
| Michael | i cant get maemoplazer to work | 22:05 |
| timely | it asked to add a epsitory, i let it | 22:05 |
| Michael | i installed it but it does nothing | 22:05 |
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| Michael | it doesn't open up | 22:06 |
| timely | then it said there ws a missing dependency | 22:06 |
| kender | good night | 22:06 |
| garrett | Michael: I also had the same problems | 22:06 |
| ajturner | Michael - have python installed? | 22:06 |
| ajturner | I ran it | 22:06 |
| Michael | nope | 22:06 |
| garrett | I do have python too | 22:06 |
| Michael | i will go and get it now | 22:06 |
| ajturner | and ran from the cmd line | 22:06 |
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| ajturner | maemoplazer.py? | 22:07 |
| Michael | u know how to change the wlan drivers? | 22:07 |
| ajturner | I don't | 22:07 |
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| Michael | i really wish that some one knew how to do it | 22:07 |
| ajturner | Micheal - why? | 22:08 |
| Michael | i am trying to get aircrack working properly | 22:08 |
| timely | isn't the point of the link to make sue dependences will just work? | 22:08 |
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| timely | i'm not realy sure hat's wrong since the eror is in portuguese | 22:10 |
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| maemokid | hmmm should i deinstall maemo mapper v1.3.5 before installing v1.4? | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | I wouldn't've thought that should be necessary. | 22:14 |
| dolfun | i want to set up tv streaming to the 770 | 22:14 |
| dolfun | anobody done that here? | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | maemokid: what would be the point? | 22:15 |
| dolfun | i was thinking mplayer + a little website to control the channels | 22:15 |
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| mgedmin | dpkg/apt/the application manager all support upgrades | 22:15 |
| maemokid | well i installed it from the mistral repository | 22:16 |
| maemokid | someone said i should delete mistral repositories... | 22:16 |
| Michael | anyone remeber the command to convert a arm.deb package to armel.deb in scratchbox? | 22:16 |
| Jaffa | Michael: err, you need to recompile it from source. | 22:17 |
| Michael | ok, i have the source as well | 22:17 |
| * timely would suggest an audrey - less squinting | 22:17 | |
| mgedmin | maemokid: do you have a nokia n800? | 22:17 |
| Michael | i am trying to compile dsniff | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | Michael: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 22:17 |
| maemokid | yes | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | maemokid: if so, I would suggest that you remove the mistral repository (just to be on the safe side) | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | then upgrade maemo-mapper to 1.4 from the bora repository | 22:18 |
| maemokid | thx mgedmin | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | Michael: However for porting I'd plug http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ as that'll handle the Application Manager requirements as well, if it's not already a Maemo package. | 22:18 |
| jobi | tigert: http://people.via.ecp.fr/~jobi/home-weather-8bit.png :) | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | uninstall + install is almost exactly the same as upgrade with the debian packaging tools | 22:18 |
| tigert | !!! | 22:18 |
| tigert | schweet | 22:19 |
| tigert | jobi: I'll try to do you another bg image for this | 22:19 |
| tigert | it looks neat | 22:19 |
| inz | jobi, is that missing a minus sign ;) | 22:19 |
| maemokid | mgedmin: updated successfully :) | 22:19 |
| tigert | make a package? :) | 22:19 |
| Michael | thanks | 22:19 |
| tigert | or does it depend on a new framework? | 22:19 |
| Michael | i have never tried it out yet, so i will give it a shot | 22:19 |
| Michael | is it easy to use? | 22:19 |
| inz | tigert, aren't you running hildon-desktop yet?-) | 22:21 |
| jobi | tigert: it uses the new desktop code | 22:21 |
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| jobi | tigert: and it's not doing anything but lying about the weather in helsinki yet | 22:21 |
| jobi | cool thing is this translucent stuff would work just as well with bora desktop | 22:22 |
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| MacSlow | tigert, btw... did xrender hit hildeon? | 22:23 |
| tko | hmm, I wonder how the TN would look if the same effect would be applied to the buttons | 22:23 |
| MacSlow | tigert, just wondering with the obvious transparent stuff in screenshots going on | 22:24 |
| jobi | tko: you mean, seeing the home window underneath? | 22:24 |
| tigert | I bet that is still the "uglyhack" dept | 22:24 |
| tko | jobi, or rather, the background image | 22:24 |
| MacSlow | *sniff* | 22:24 |
| tigert | MacSlow: ask jobi :) | 22:24 |
| MacSlow | jobi, so... | 22:24 |
| jobi | MacSlow: it's the poorman's composite ;) | 22:24 |
| MacSlow | jobi, still no true xredner?! | 22:25 |
| jobi | MacSlow: grabbing the content of the underlying window and doing composite on the client side | 22:25 |
| zuh | Hmm, hasn't xrender been available all along? | 22:25 |
| jobi | yes I think it is | 22:25 |
| jobi | not accelerated though AFAIK | 22:26 |
| MacSlow | jobi, btw... what about that powervr mbx driver for the pepperpad... any slight chance of getting driver-sources of any kind? | 22:26 |
| jobi | MacSlow: no clue sorry | 22:26 |
| zuh | jobi: So far, nothing has been ;) | 22:26 |
| myren | hmm good call on the pepperpad | 22:27 |
| myren | been looking for anyone that powervr mbx support | 22:27 |
| X-Fade | http://updates.pepper.com/pub/pepperpad/sources/pepperpad2/3.0.3/pvrdrv.ko.tar | 22:28 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 22:28 |
| pbrook | I wouldn't bet on getting anything useful out of PowerVR. | 22:28 |
| X-Fade | http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html | 22:28 |
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| X-Fade | vermagic: 2.6.13.4 preempt ARMv5 gcc-3.4 | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | That looks like a 2.6 kernel powervr driver to me.. | 22:29 |
| Tak | is there a doc for programming the fm radio yet? | 22:29 |
| MacSlow | well even if it would lack GL (as daniels hints) maybe it comes with some EXA-support | 22:30 |
| Jaffa | Tak: it's just a V4L device, AFAIK | 22:30 |
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| MacSlow | that could still mean some acceleration | 22:30 |
| Tak | including setting the frequencies, etc? | 22:31 |
| jeepers | hey, folks... anyone know why i might be told that a chgrp is "not permitted?" | 22:32 |
| jeepers | i tried it as root and user on the actual device | 22:32 |
| jeepers | i can do a chown | 22:32 |
| inz | jobi, hildon-desktop doesn't compile without hildin-libs-dev currently, hd-notification-manager.c uses <hildon-widgets/...> | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | jeepers: not trying on a FAT filing system are you? | 22:32 |
| jeepers | doh!!! um... maybe... | 22:33 |
| jobi | inz: damn | 22:34 |
| jobi | let me check | 22:34 |
| maddler | re | 22:37 |
| maddler | mgedmin: heya dude | 22:38 |
| * mgedmin waves back | 22:38 | |
| Veggen | hmm. X on the N800 has tcp-port open. Hadn't noticed before. | 22:38 |
| maddler | Veggen: yep... | 22:38 |
| maddler | fire up iptables :) | 22:38 |
| timely | kender: so.. | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | hey, true | 22:43 |
| wumpus | Veggen: from outside even? | 22:43 |
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| Veggen | wumpus: yup, although not with "xhost +" | 22:45 |
| wumpus | I see, it has port 6000 open | 22:45 |
| jobi | inz: hopefully fixed, I can't compile from here | 22:45 |
| wumpus | it should probably be configured to only accept locally via unix sockets | 22:45 |
| Veggen | mmm. Where does the X config live? | 22:45 |
| wumpus | like most modern linux distributions | 22:45 |
| wumpus | it's something in the X command line | 22:45 |
| * mgedmin creates a bug: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1055 | 22:46 | |
| wumpus | /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp | 22:46 |
| wumpus | that's the line on my desktop machine | 22:46 |
| wumpus | it's probably the nolisten tcp part | 22:47 |
| Veggen | wumpus: sure, but this Xomap server I don't know. | 22:47 |
| wumpus | same, I think | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | it is started as /usr/bin/Xomap -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | according to ps | 22:48 |
| Veggen | mmm. | 22:48 |
| jobi | inz: now for real :) | 22:48 |
| wumpus | ps output is cropped | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | this is shorter than the width of the screen | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | so I think not in this case | 22:48 |
| wumpus | then look at the dsp_dld line, it's cropped at the same position | 22:48 |
| Veggen | wump: nope. | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | on the 770 it was Xomap -mouse /dev/input/mouse0 -mouse /dev/input/event2 -dpi 96 | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | no mention of tcp in either case | 22:49 |
| Veggen | /sbin/udhcpc -i wlan0 -s /etc/udhcpc/udhcpc.script -H is cropped. | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | wumpus: dsme -d -l syslog -v 4 -p /usr/lib/dsme/libstartup.so is longer | 22:49 |
| wumpus | if you don't mention tcp | 22:49 |
| wumpus | it will listen there | 22:49 |
| Veggen | but /usr/bin/Xomap -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr is shorter. | 22:49 |
| wumpus | adding -nolisten tcp should fix it | 22:50 |
| Veggen | hmm. strings. I need strings. | 22:50 |
| wumpus | but might get you into other trouble :) | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | /proc/$pid/cmdline confirms that -wr is the last argument | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | +1 for strings | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | oh how I miss my strings... | 22:50 |
| wumpus | I see | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | um, don't quote that out of context | 22:50 |
| wumpus | /etc/init.d/x-server | 22:50 |
| Veggen | mgedmin: should be easy to compile. | 22:50 |
| wumpus | there it is | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | I think I tried once, and got bogged down in dependencies | 22:50 |
| Veggen | binutils. ugh. | 22:51 |
| wumpus | uhm, I stopped X and the device rebooten | 22:52 |
| wumpus | this is scary | 22:52 |
| timely | x is lifeguarded | 22:52 |
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| timely | as are a dozen other items | 22:52 |
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| timely | this is the way you make a consumer device if you've been making cell phones for 10 years | 22:52 |
| wumpus | hehe , more like booby trapped | 22:52 |
| wumpus | lets' see if it worked | 22:52 |
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| wumpus | 6000 is closed | 22:53 |
| wumpus | and the device works fine | 22:53 |
| Veggen | Installed binutils from repository. Now I have strings. | 22:53 |
| mgedmin | wumpus: what did you do? | 22:53 |
| mgedmin | -nolisten tcp? | 22:53 |
| wumpus | yup, added -nolisten tcp to ARGS in that init file | 22:54 |
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| mgedmin | wumpus: please comment on https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1055 then | 22:54 |
| wumpus | ok | 22:54 |
| Veggen | mgedmin: binutils is in a repository, and installed ok. With strings. | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | oh, cool | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | um, which repository? | 22:55 |
| Veggen | (how do I see, again?) | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | apt-cache policy packagename | 22:56 |
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| Veggen | repository.maemo.org mistral/free. | 22:57 |
| zyga | is there any hardware driver for the n800 a closed source binary? | 22:57 |
| wumpus | zyga: yes, the wifi chip | 22:57 |
| zyga | what about the display? | 22:58 |
| wumpus | and the DSP part of the codecs | 22:58 |
| wumpus | the display is open, at least the kernel driver | 22:58 |
| wumpus | it's in blizzard.c | 22:58 |
| Michael | wumpus: I am just jumping in here.... is the wlan driver able to be changed? | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | hm, binutils is not in repository.maemo.org bora/free | 23:00 |
| wumpus | afaik, the CX3110x driver is closed source binary blob | 23:01 |
| wumpus | it's some conexant chip | 23:02 |
| wumpus | there's also an umac driver that is closed.. bluetooth I think | 23:02 |
| * timely ponders | 23:02 | |
| timely | i thought i saw CX3110x on garrage | 23:02 |
| Michael | it is there but there is nothing in it | 23:03 |
| pbrook | That N800 also has proper graphics hardware (pvr MBX), but just doesn't use it. | 23:03 |
| Michael | so there is no way to tell the 800 to use a different driver for wireless? | 23:03 |
| pahartik | wumpus: I "rmmod cx3110x umac" and BÃluetooth still orks on Maemo 2.2 | 23:03 |
| pahartik | wumpus: I "rmmod cx3110x umac" and Bluetooth still works on Maemo 2.2 | 23:04 |
| timely | hrm | 23:04 |
| timely | there's a driver in the cx3110x project | 23:04 |
| wumpus | tigert: someone is trying an open source project I think | 23:04 |
| timely | at least i checked it out | 23:04 |
| wumpus | sorry, timely | 23:04 |
| timely | sorry?\ | 23:04 |
| wumpus | yeah adressed the wrong person :) | 23:05 |
| wumpus | stupid tab | 23:05 |
| * timely still doesn't get it | 23:05 | |
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| * timely tries to remember how to find out who a person is | 23:06 | |
| * timely goes to attack the garage database | 23:06 | |
| Michael | lol | 23:06 |
| Michael | wumpus | 23:07 |
| Michael | i have a question for you now | 23:07 |
| tigert | wumpus: ? | 23:07 |
| tigert | eh ok :) | 23:07 |
| tigert | np | 23:07 |
| timely | tigert: bad nick completion :) | 23:07 |
| tigert | yea, figured about now | 23:07 |
| Michael | how can i go about using aircrack to give me correct data from the access point power level? | 23:08 |
| tigert | MacSlow: the transparent stuff is part of "we should be less boring on our "desktop" -thinking | 23:08 |
| MacSlow | tigert, :) | 23:08 |
| tigert | MacSlow: its a start at least :) | 23:08 |
| MacSlow | tigert, it certainly is! | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | I like the new themes on the os2007 | 23:09 |
| mgedmin | especially the virtual keyboard in Balaton | 23:09 |
| timely | mgedmin; install valentine | 23:09 |
| timely | and tell me if you retain that opinion | 23:09 |
| wumpus | Michael: I don't know, I ran kismet though | 23:09 |
| wumpus | aircrack or anything that injects packets probably doesn't work | 23:09 |
| Michael | so did i | 23:09 |
| Michael | but it doesn't show the signal strengths | 23:10 |
| mgedmin | timely: I do not see how Valentine can change my opinion on the look of virtual keyboard in Balaton ;) | 23:10 |
| Michael | i dont want to inject anything | 23:10 |
| Michael | just want to be able to see whats going on | 23:10 |
| * timely ponders | 23:11 | |
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| timely | the drivers for cx3110x don't look that different | 23:11 |
| Tak | I like the new themes as well | 23:11 |
| Michael | timely: how would you install the driver? | 23:12 |
| timely | what's the license of cx3110x anyway? | 23:12 |
| timely | michael: i woudln't | 23:12 |
| Michael | lol | 23:12 |
| timely | i read things, i don't install them | 23:12 |
| Michael | makes sense | 23:12 |
| Michael | but if you did install things..... how would you go about doing it ;-) | 23:13 |
| tigert | themes.. | 23:13 |
| tigert | which reminds me I need to update plankton | 23:13 |
| wumpus | at least don't replace the other one, you could of course upload the driver and temporarily insmod it | 23:13 |
| Michael | insmod? | 23:13 |
| wumpus | yeah, like insert kernel module :p | 23:14 |
| Michael | still very new with this side of the world | 23:14 |
| tigert | wumpus: michael is linux newbie still | 23:14 |
| tigert | learning fast though :) | 23:14 |
| Michael | trying!!!!! | 23:14 |
| tigert | you are doing fine :) | 23:14 |
| disq | i still feel like i should complain about the osso-mediaplayer | 23:14 |
| Michael | been messing around with this thing for 1 week now | 23:14 |
| * timely ponders | 23:14 | |
| timely | are you guys absolutely certain the cx driver isn't part of the open source release? | 23:14 |
| wumpus | no I am not sure | 23:15 |
| disq | playlist operations are virtually nonexistent | 23:15 |
| wumpus | but *usually* wifi drivers are closed | 23:15 |
| wumpus | because of some regulation restricting the strength of transmissions | 23:15 |
| Michael | does anyone know what kind of wifi chipset it is? | 23:15 |
| Michael | maybe we can find a driver that will work with it | 23:15 |
| timely | michael: really, the cx driver in garage is a very very close match | 23:16 |
| timely | which is ocnfusing me | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74615.844512] Loading 3826.arm firmware | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74616.087585] (c)opyright 2004 Conexant | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74616.087646] | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74616.087646] build info: PRISM SoftMAC | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74616.087677] creator: [kvalo] | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74616.087707] date: [06/11/28-15:03] | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74616.087707] | 23:16 |
| wumpus | [74616.095092] CX3110x: MAC address 00:19:xx:xx:xx:xx | 23:16 |
| Michael | but i dont see one | 23:16 |
| Michael | i see a garage, but no file | 23:17 |
| wumpus | that's what mine says in dmesg | 23:17 |
| maddler | it's a conexant | 23:17 |
| timely | ok | 23:18 |
| timely | lemme put it differently | 23:18 |
| timely | the person who created the garage project is the author of the driver | 23:18 |
| Michael | go ahead | 23:18 |
| Michael | oh ok | 23:18 |
| timely | it's not just some random person | 23:18 |
| Michael | so there is no file in there right now | 23:18 |
| timely | what do you mean? | 23:18 |
| Michael | thats understandable | 23:18 |
| timely | there's an svn repo | 23:18 |
| Michael | oh ok | 23:19 |
| timely | and you can check it out | 23:19 |
| Michael | still new | 23:19 |
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| Michael | ok now i see... didn't know about svn's | 23:20 |
| Michael | *learning* | 23:20 |
| wumpus | let's check it out | 23:20 |
| wumpus | yep that seems to be the driver | 23:21 |
| timely | it's not necessarily absolutely current | 23:21 |
| wumpus | but it has two closed source components | 23:21 |
| wumpus | (.lib) | 23:21 |
| timely | mtum? | 23:22 |
| Michael | mtum? | 23:22 |
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| timely | oh, and umac | 23:24 |
| timely | counting is hard :) | 23:24 |
| timely | yeah, i don't think nokia has them | 23:25 |
| timely | sorry :) | 23:25 |
| suihkulokki | wumpus: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-April/003575.html | 23:25 |
| timely | yeah, sorry | 23:26 |
| suihkulokki | funnily enough I hear a lot whining about non-free wifi driver, but not a single test report of the GPL wifi driver... | 23:28 |
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| wumpus | maybe you don't even need the closed source components to change what Michael wants, to see the network strengths | 23:29 |
| Michael | *interesting* | 23:29 |
| lle2 | suihkulokki: that's because people don't drink enough guinness | 23:29 |
| suihkulokki | lle2: was there guinness in aussie bar? | 23:29 |
| * pahartik gives up on trying to set up DUN between Maemo 2.2 and Bluez on Linux workstation, continues using PAN instead | 23:33 | |
| ocnarfid8 | Anyone going to the NYC nokia N800 launch let me know we can say hi there later. :) | 23:35 |
| lle2 | suihkulokki: yup | 23:35 |
| Tak | I'm not fond enough of reflashing to hack around with my tablets' kernels | 23:35 |
| myren | http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html | 23:36 |
| myren | ^-- powervr mbx stuff for the pepperpad | 23:36 |
| myren | that just got released | 23:36 |
| tigert | jobi: around? | 23:36 |
| myren | its binary, but hackign it to work isnt inconcievable | 23:37 |
| jobi | tigert: yes | 23:37 |
| Pio | anyone have any reason why i should *not* buy this for use with my 770? http://tekgems.com/Products/et-29965-con-btg-7000.htm?frg-2132007 | 23:37 |
| tigert | jobi: got you another graphic | 23:37 |
| jobi | tigert: cool | 23:38 |
| tigert | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/jobi/trans-applet-blue.png | 23:40 |
| tigert | hows something like this? | 23:41 |
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| tigert | its huge too :) | 23:41 |
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| tigert | but not that big on the device screen | 23:42 |
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| jobi | tigert: but it's not that transparent :) | 23:42 |
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| tigert | hrmph :) | 23:45 |
| tigert | a sec | 23:45 |
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| tigert | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/jobi/weather-kludget-bg.png | 23:46 |
| tigert | this has some transparency | 23:46 |
| garrett | wow that looks dark here | 23:46 |
| tko | jobi, oh, how were you painting the applet background? or is it just a bg_pixmap too ? | 23:47 |
| garrett | but I'm sure it will look cool in context (: | 23:47 |
| lle2 | who was the mud maintainer? I tried to use the svn version with sb2 and basically nothing worked :) | 23:47 |
| * garrett looks at the previous URL | 23:47 | |
| garrett | oh ok, nice! | 23:47 |
| tigert | jobi: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/jobi/trans-applet-blue.png | 23:48 |
| tigert | jobi: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/jobi/weather-kludget-bg.png | 23:48 |
| tigert | use that? | 23:48 |
| tigert | align the weather icon at 128x128 size so that it is equally far from each white border line on the left edge of the rectangle | 23:49 |
| tigert | lemme actually update the mockup | 23:49 |
| jobi | tko: painting | 23:49 |
| c0ffee | lle2, Jaffa | 23:49 |
| jobi | tigert: thanks, will try | 23:49 |
| axique | hi..can someone please help me with a localisation question? My localisation works perfectly when I (also) use textdomain(PACKAGE). But this binds my gmo file, so the rest of the hildon desktop (which was not loaded) will not find its own strings anymore. How can I avoid this? | 23:49 |
| tko | jobi, gdk_draw_pixbuf ? | 23:50 |
| lle2 | c0ffee: right, thanks | 23:50 |
| tigert | jobi: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/jobi/trans-applet-blue.png | 23:50 |
| tigert | like this | 23:50 |
| axique | forgot...its a home applet | 23:50 |
| tigert | w00t that looks good | 23:50 |
| tigert | garrett: like the font btw? | 23:50 |
| tko | axique, dgettext | 23:50 |
| tigert | garrett: its a recent discovery. Computer Modern Unicode | 23:50 |
| tigert | bold | 23:50 |
| tigert | <3 | 23:51 |
| garrett | oh cool | 23:51 |
| axique | tko thanks I'll try | 23:51 |
| garrett | http://canopus.iacp.dvo.ru/~panov/cm-unicode/ | 23:51 |
| garrett | nice! | 23:51 |
| tigert | http://cm-unicode.sourceforge.net/ | 23:51 |
| tigert | yea | 23:51 |
| tigert | the same site | 23:51 |
| tigert | the boldface is very pretty imho | 23:51 |
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| jobi | need to adjust the offsets but http://people.via.ecp.fr/~jobi/weather-applet-offset.png | 23:56 |
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