| tko | has anyone figured out yet where to report google reader bugs? | 00:00 |
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| ptman | they have a blog | 00:00 |
| ptman | I don't know if that's the proper place | 00:00 |
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| tko | I think I saw some place (or maybe it was calendar) but it seems I could've just as well sent them to devnull | 00:00 |
| tko | but the lack of search (still!) is hilarious | 00:01 |
| wwalker | I added http://repository.maemo.org/ both "free" and "non-free" The represh of the package list works without error, but their are no new packages :( ?? | 00:02 |
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| ptman | Do developers on garage get an automatic email forwarding like sourceforge gives you? | 00:03 |
| ajturner | wow, my N800 just randomly woke up and rebooted :p | 00:04 |
| ajturner | that's what you get for deving ;) | 00:04 |
| ptman | ah yes, I almost forgot, I wrote a simple ssh-askpass in python with hildon, because the ssh-package doesn't include one | 00:04 |
| tigert | no, it comes bundled with it I fear :P | 00:04 |
| tigert | they are trying to fix that bug | 00:04 |
| tko | ajturner, it received a secret firmware update and was instructed to reboot... or something :) | 00:04 |
| ptman | I think it should be extended to something like dialog(1) or zenity | 00:05 |
| ajturner | must have - I blame you tko | 00:05 |
| ptman | but maybe it would be in order to write it in C instead | 00:05 |
| ajturner | that might explain why the cam came out automatically too | 00:05 |
| tigert | hildonized zenity would rock | 00:05 |
| ajturner | it's watching me | 00:05 |
| tko | ptman, some 'what exactly does garage/gforge give me?' explanation would be nice, wouldn't it? :) | 00:05 |
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| ptman | yes, do you know where to find one? | 00:06 |
| tko | useful documentation about maemo? you must be new around here :-P | 00:07 |
| tigert | <@MDK> I love the sound of n800 rebooting in the morning | 00:07 |
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| ajturner | tko - say not such mean things | 00:08 |
| ajturner | tko ptman - gforge does *a lot* and can be referenced by looking at the gforge documentation, can't it? | 00:09 |
| tko | ajturner, I'm one of the people you can blame, so I'm allowed to say that, no? :) | 00:09 |
| ptman | that reminds me... how is it possible that trying to add ssh-agent to /etc/osso-af-init/maemo-af-desktop.sh made the 770 start a reboot loop | 00:09 |
| ptman | ajturner: even if gforge made it possible, is it in use in garage? | 00:10 |
| tko | ptman, the scripts are fragile and made a typo or something? | 00:10 |
| ajturner | ptman - not sure, how much of a mod of gforge is Garage? | 00:10 |
| ajturner | I would doubt much? | 00:10 |
| ptman | I have no idea | 00:10 |
| tko | ajturner, no idea, but mostly extensions I'd expect | 00:11 |
| tko | where's ferenc when you need him? | 00:11 |
| tigert | the mailing list feature is enabled | 00:13 |
| tigert | but if there is nothing, the project has no lists? | 00:13 |
| tko | from what I've seen from the garage projects, I think you get more or less everything by default and need to disable things you don't need or want | 00:14 |
| ptman | well, the gforge documentation was somewhat... bare | 00:16 |
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| ptman | maybe I'll just try | 00:16 |
| tko | oh, you found it? :) | 00:16 |
| ptman | bouncing mail will tell | 00:16 |
| tko | I tried to find some documentation when first signing up but can't recall finding anything useful | 00:17 |
| tko | we really need that evangelist/documentation guy | 00:18 |
| keesj | ptman: yes gforge user docs are hard to find | 00:19 |
| ptman | I found them | 00:20 |
| ptman | but it didn't really say much | 00:20 |
| keesj | ptman: I really missed basic things like how to import the initial svn data. how to create a website | 00:24 |
| ptman | on my sourceforge account settings page I can see: Mail sent to ptotterm@users.sourceforge.net (your mail alias) will be forwarded to the email address shown above. | 00:26 |
| ptman | so lets home garage works the same way | 00:26 |
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| keesj | who much disc space are the maemo sdk's supposed to take? (2.2 + 3.0 i386 + amrel) | 00:33 |
| keesj | how | 00:33 |
| ptman | over 1GB, IIRC | 00:34 |
| ptman | oh wait, that's just 2.2 | 00:34 |
| ptman | I don't know how much bora adds on top of that | 00:34 |
| keesj | I have about 1.9 gig for both then installed in the same scratchbox | 00:35 |
| ptman | well, garage doesn't have username@users.garage.maemo.org email forwarding | 00:35 |
| keesj | yes it does | 00:35 |
| ptman | I just sent mail, and it bounced | 00:36 |
| keesj | keesj@garage.maemo.org | 00:36 |
| ptman | oh, users was too much | 00:36 |
| ptman | thanks | 00:36 |
| tigert | hey btw | 00:38 |
| tigert | you realize the channel is logged to web? | 00:38 |
| tigert | so pasting mail addresses is not the best idea :/ | 00:38 |
| keesj | yes , I just realized | 00:38 |
| tko | eek! | 00:38 |
| tko | maybe some obfuscation would be in place for the web archives | 00:39 |
| keesj | somebody needs to find a simple solution to that spam problem | 00:39 |
| ptman | My simple solution is to forward everything to gmail, and forward that to a secret address that I don't publicize anywhere | 00:40 |
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| ptman | gmail takes care of all the spam, and very nicely | 00:40 |
| tko | I thought there are several solutions ISPs don't want to implement | 00:40 |
| hub | tko: which are? | 00:40 |
| tigert | gmail deals with spam nicely indeed | 00:41 |
| tigert | I wouldnt be surprised if they start selling a spamfilter appliance | 00:41 |
| tigert | it works awesomely well | 00:41 |
| hub | tigert: my thunderbird too | 00:42 |
| hub | tigert: basically I should put it on the server side :-) | 00:42 |
| ptman | one reason might be insane amounts of spam, I don't know what kind of pipe the appliance would require to access all that | 00:42 |
| tko | hub, well, enforcing all mail to be delivered through the isp's mail server would be a start, requiring strong enough authentication next, and then charging the abusers (monetary or hashcash or whatever, etc..) | 00:42 |
| ptman | they can make ridiculously better statistics than any single user | 00:43 |
| hub | tko: I don't trust ISP mail server. I have had a hard time finding an ISP that didn't want to force this on me | 00:43 |
| hub | tko: so MY server is relaying MY mail | 00:43 |
| tko | but like I said, I think there are several solutions that would definitely work which people don't want to implement for one reason or another | 00:44 |
| tigert | email is so 1995 | 00:45 |
| tigert | I hate it | 00:45 |
| tko | guess one could categorize them to be about money (isp side) or trust (customer side) | 00:45 |
| tko | I wonder how difficult would it be to merge email-ish and IM in the same interface | 00:47 |
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| ajturner | using bayesian filtering & perhaps an akismet plugin you could get good spam filtering as well | 00:54 |
| tko | spam should be fixed on the sender side IMO | 00:55 |
| ajturner | um... | 00:55 |
| ajturner | right! | 00:55 |
| tigert | heh | 00:56 |
| tigert | with guns, lots of guns | 00:56 |
| tigert | :) | 00:56 |
| tigert | people say graylisting works | 00:56 |
| tigert | but duh | 00:56 |
| tigert | I am bored of email | 00:56 |
| tigert | I just dont care | 00:56 |
| ajturner | tigert - if it isn't realtime - it's in no-time? | 00:57 |
| tko | simply hogging the connection to the server for one second per recipient should add some cost to spammers without really affecting legitimate uses | 00:57 |
| nomis | tko: what about mailinglists? | 00:58 |
| wwalker | recommendations for repos for a 770?? | 00:59 |
| tigert | ajturner: nah, I just like forums etc more | 00:59 |
| ajturner | hrm, that would be an interesting experiment if someon put their entire,personal/work email on a forum instead :) | 01:00 |
| tigert | ajturner: "I go to the site A when I want to hack on A" | 01:00 |
| tko | nomis, tricky, I know, though posts by subscribers only policy again gets you pretty far | 01:00 |
| tigert | ajturner: not like that | 01:00 |
| tigert | ajturner: but split per project | 01:00 |
| tko | eww, forums :-] | 01:00 |
| tigert | instead of having my mail program split them to folders | 01:00 |
| tigert | they would be in project websites | 01:00 |
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| tko | well, I suppose there must exist some usable forum somewhere | 01:00 |
| tigert | like maemo-devel would be in maemo site | 01:00 |
| ajturner | hrm, so when you go into 'Project A' - have the apps, docs, folders, sites, mail | 01:01 |
| tigert | and garage could have then project forums | 01:01 |
| tigert | just like ubuntuforums has a lot of stuff | 01:01 |
| tigert | I wouldnt have mail :) | 01:01 |
| ajturner | interesting - like Desktops, but stored/retrievable | 01:01 |
| keesj | :p not bad | 01:01 |
| tigert | ajturner: most non-programming projects have a web forum and those work nicely | 01:01 |
| tigert | its much more sensible to split the information per project | 01:01 |
| tigert | so I could have a rss feed of new topics in the N800 if I wanted | 01:02 |
| tigert | and such | 01:02 |
| tigert | most forums do RSS | 01:02 |
| tigert | so I could aggregate it etc | 01:02 |
| tko | one immediate problem that comes to mind about forums is that there's no notification about new activity | 01:02 |
| tigert | there can be | 01:02 |
| keesj | tigert: I will think about it while walking the dog , thanks | 01:02 |
| tigert | many of them do email notifications *cough* :) | 01:02 |
| ajturner | tko - that's forum implementation specific | 01:02 |
| tigert | but they do RSS feeds | 01:02 |
| ajturner | right | 01:02 |
| ajturner | that's a neat idea | 01:02 |
| ajturner | I've seen programs do similar, where you have a project and associate docs/apps with that project | 01:03 |
| * tko goes wander about the only forum I vaguely follow -- the itt | 01:03 | |
| ajturner | but not down to the sub-level, like folders in my mailbox, group of rss feeds | 01:03 |
| tigert | ajturner: for my aviation / flight sim hobby there is flightforum.fi for example | 01:03 |
| tigert | bunch of sections there | 01:03 |
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| ajturner | it's like a "frame-of-reference"-centric organication | 01:03 |
| tigert | it works nicely when I have a moment for flying in the day | 01:03 |
| tigert | or want a short break from my work routine | 01:03 |
| tigert | I go there | 01:04 |
| tigert | its all there then | 01:04 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:04 |
| tigert | with email | 01:04 |
| tigert | its all in one fscking app | 01:04 |
| tigert | a mess | 01:04 |
| ajturner | simply - I could see a script that fired up a folder of bookmarks, specified apps, etc. | 01:04 |
| tigert | and full of distraction | 01:04 |
| tigert | especially the inbox | 01:04 |
| ajturner | y | 01:04 |
| ajturner | agreed, email needs an overhaul how it's done | 01:04 |
| tigert | it helps a lot to have stuff split | 01:04 |
| ajturner | it's a central repo for todo, cal, important messages, lengthy discussions, large diatribes, corporate memos | 01:05 |
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| tigert | yeah | 01:05 |
| tko | no visible link that I could find.. how do you subscribe google reader to one specific forum at itt ? | 01:05 |
| tigert | its a big distraction for me to read everything in one place | 01:05 |
| ajturner | I have 465 unread emails in my gmail inbox | 01:05 |
| ajturner | half are read and marked unread as a kind of 'need to do' | 01:05 |
| tigert | since I plan to do thing A, which requires checking for new messages in mail | 01:05 |
| tigert | but then I see a mail from person B talking about C | 01:05 |
| tigert | and I start thinking about C and remember I had a deadline today to do this thing | 01:06 |
| tigert | and jump into finishing C | 01:06 |
| tigert | and forget A | 01:06 |
| ajturner | hrm, seems like it would be possible to setup IMAP folders to pre-filter based on criteria and then open your email program (thunderbird) just to that folder | 01:06 |
| tigert | it's a mess and I dont like it | 01:06 |
| tigert | but thats all too hard | 01:06 |
| tko | ajturner, at one point after reading something about gtd and applying it to mail I got an empty mailbox, but now I've 100+ unread mails which mostly indicate 'should do something about this' | 01:06 |
| konfoo | ahh i just LOVE moving domains between servers | 01:06 |
| tigert | having stuff just hosted on project sites works a lot better | 01:06 |
| ajturner | well, obviously you would pull a lazyweb and have someone do it for you | 01:06 |
| * konfoo bangs fists on desk | 01:06 | |
| tigert | ajturner: :) | 01:06 |
| ajturner | (putting in draft notes on blog entry now ;) ) | 01:07 |
| ajturner | not that lazyweb has ever *really* worked for me | 01:07 |
| tigert | ajturner: I think forums are working very well | 01:07 |
| ajturner | damn things busted | 01:07 |
| tigert | many people are just used to mailing lists | 01:07 |
| tigert | but forums are nice | 01:07 |
| tigert | its easy to see new threads, threads with new stuff show up in top etc | 01:07 |
| ajturner | hrm, what about your own personal forums - they're like forums, but only you have access to them | 01:07 |
| tigert | what for? | 01:08 |
| wwalker | is there a repo with an sshd (preferably dropbear for size, but openssl/openssh would do. | 01:08 |
| tigert | wwalker: maemo repo has openssh | 01:08 |
| tigert | wwalker: there is dropbear too | 01:08 |
| tigert | see downloads.maemo.org | 01:08 |
| tigert | with your device | 01:08 |
| tko | everything worth anything should be in maemo repositories (including the extras) -- everything else is in downloads.maemo.org | 01:08 |
| wwalker | tigert thx. via app mgr or via browsxer? | 01:09 |
| tko | or something like that :) | 01:09 |
| tigert | browser | 01:09 |
| ajturner | wwalker - app mgr | 01:09 |
| tigert | click on the green arrow next to openssh | 01:09 |
| ajturner | I just installed dropbear myself this morning | 01:09 |
| tigert | it adds the repository for you and installs it | 01:09 |
| ajturner | ah - tigert, why are some "missing installers"? they're just hosting their own instead of garage having the release files? | 01:09 |
| tigert | no | 01:10 |
| tigert | nobody did an .install file | 01:10 |
| tigert | its a bit confusing, we need to do something about that | 01:10 |
| tigert | .install is this "set up the repo for me and install the app" -one-click thing | 01:11 |
| keesj | while it is not web based I do use the scrapbook firefox plugin alot , it allows to download web pages just like you would bookmark them. only it allows to search in them and even nice to add post-it kinda notes on the downloaded page | 01:12 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:13 |
| tigert | it should sync to a web somewhere | 01:13 |
| tigert | this is what I dont like | 01:13 |
| tigert | a lot of different devices | 01:13 |
| VRe | There is such flow of mails on the mailing list and irc that now I can't anymore follow it all :( | 01:13 |
| tigert | with storage | 01:13 |
| tigert | and my data is scattered around | 01:13 |
| ajturner | keesj - have you seen Zotero? | 01:13 |
| ajturner | similar to that, made for 'citation' but the same idea - soon to sync w/ del.icio.us and others | 01:13 |
| ajturner | would be easy to sync w/ a device as well | 01:14 |
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| konfoo | ls | 01:17 |
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| tigert | password: | 01:24 |
| tigert | ;) | 01:24 |
| konfoo | :P | 01:27 |
| * keesj bookmarks Zotero :p | 01:27 | |
| ajturner | hrm, idea: write app to scan & parse ISBN barcodes using N800 camera | 01:29 |
| ajturner | ala DeliciousLibrary for Mac - useful for marking books you like/own, DVD's, albums - | 01:29 |
| keesj | for bar codes I don't think you have enoygh resolution | 01:29 |
| ajturner | or even imagine shopping to quickly look up a price online | 01:30 |
| ajturner | keesj - I think you do | 01:30 |
| keesj | perhaps , I would already be very happy with an instant lock button on the device | 01:31 |
| tko | ajturner, I might find that useful if librarything knew anything about finnish isbns... | 01:31 |
| ajturner | tko - amazon doesnt? | 01:31 |
| wwalker | OK, I'm on downloads.maemo.org/product/dropbear, but there is no download link :( | 01:31 |
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| ajturner | tko - besides.... who lives in Finland? | 01:32 |
| * ajturner ducks | 01:32 | |
| tko | ajturner, not about finnish books. there seems to be some link to some finnish libraries but it never finds my books | 01:32 |
| wwalker | ajturner: where did you get the .deb? | 01:32 |
| konfoo | i wonder if the camera could be used as a lock :) | 01:33 |
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| tko | konfoo, hmm, some face recognition and integration with lock code dialog... | 01:33 |
| konfoo | tko: lol | 01:34 |
| konfoo | i was thinking just a small applet to lock and unlock based on camera going out/in | 01:34 |
| ajturner | N800: I'm sorry, you must be having a bad hair day, I don't know who you are | 01:34 |
| konfoo | pop out/push in toggle lock | 01:34 |
| ajturner | wwalker - showed up for me in App Mgr - looking | 01:35 |
| ajturner | using bora | 01:35 |
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| ajturner | wwalker: http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ | 01:36 |
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| wwalker | ajturner: thx | 01:38 |
| ajturner | yup | 01:38 |
| ajturner | granted, it wasn't apparent - had to dig through teh google | 01:38 |
| maddler | has anyone managed to have bash on N800? | 01:40 |
| maddler | not being able to use .profile is a real pain in the arse... | 01:41 |
| tko | "The hildon ui is like a prison. A "real" window manager would give us so much freedom." | 01:43 |
| tko | I can already see people doing manual window management and putting the browser and xchat side by side | 01:43 |
| wwalker | icewm! dwm? | 01:44 |
| tko | window maker | 01:45 |
| wwalker | I figured window maker is too big | 01:45 |
| Fatal | bah, ion3 or wmii | 01:46 |
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| wwalker | ion3 :) I remember that one. A little too thin for me, but cool | 01:46 |
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| rhsanborn | Does there exist a channel for general device use, rather than bothering the devs? :P | 01:47 |
| james_dev | hi, has anyone written anything with pygame? I'm having trouble with input. | 01:47 |
| tko | rhsanborn, this channel is fine. the devs wouldn't be the devs if they hadn't developed the skill to ignore the not interesting :) | 01:48 |
| rhsanborn | Alright. Let me check out one thing to make sure my question isn't completely silly :P | 01:49 |
| james_dev | Re: pygame, It seems that the keyboard (hardware keys) and touchscreen events don't get passed in. | 01:49 |
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| rhsanborn | tko, nm, thanks. I'm sure something else will come up. But I was having trouble with a few internet radio stations. Some were of the wrong format, and few of them were dead links :P | 01:53 |
| rhsanborn | I'm still getting used to the thing | 01:54 |
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| rhsanborn | How well does mplayer work on the n800? I'm quickly finding that there are vey few m3u streams... | 02:02 |
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| james_dev | Can't anyone confirm that pygame.event.wait() works on the N800? It doesn't seem to for me. | 02:04 |
| tko | window maker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPZcNCHBvQ | 02:04 |
| wwalker | anyone got an mencoder command that makes good videos for the 770? | 02:06 |
| rhsanborn | tko, would be REALLY nice t have a bluetooth keyboard with that :P I suppose thats after ahving removed the default interface? | 02:06 |
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| tko | seems that it takes 'only' 10 seconds or so to arrange the new windows so that they can actually be used... suppose that's an improvement of sorts, or something | 02:07 |
| ajturner | is there a DOS emu? | 02:08 |
| ajturner | wow, there are a lot of Spanish & Portuguese translated Maemo pages (ergo lots of 'dos' hits) | 02:09 |
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| wwalker | Is there a difference in MMC Mobile and RS-MMC? On newegg I can't find any RS-MMC? | 02:13 |
| wwalker | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010070068+1053119170&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=68 | 02:13 |
| ajturner | wwalker - check dealram.com | 02:14 |
| wwalker | ajturner: thx | 02:16 |
| ajturner | wwalker - np | 02:16 |
| ajturner | you're just happy b/c you saved a bundle on car insurance | 02:16 |
| ajturner | (bad TV commercial reference) | 02:16 |
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| rhsanborn | :P | 02:17 |
| korc_ | hello, somebody can help me with this error message? cp: cannot overwrite directory `/targets/arm/usr/include/asm' with non-directory | 02:23 |
| korc_ | Installing fakeroot version 1.4.2... | 02:23 |
| korc_ | im using debian sid | 02:24 |
| korc_ | im trying install the target arm in scratchbox | 02:26 |
| wwalker | ajturner: I just checked my mailbox and the RS-MMC isn't here yet... :( | 02:29 |
| ajturner | did you upgrade your shipping to 'Digital Delivery'? | 02:29 |
| wwalker | How do folks usually encode movies for the 770? | 02:29 |
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| kaatis | wwalker, mmc mobile should work as well | 02:40 |
| wwalker | kaatis: I kind of thought that from what I read on wikipedia, but wasn't sure. Bought regular rs-mmc | 02:41 |
| wwalker | ajturner: doh, forgot to upgrade to digital delivery | 02:42 |
| rhsanborn | One needs root access to install .deb packages, right? | 02:44 |
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| korc_ | aom | 02:48 |
| wwalker | How do I remount the memory card? | 02:48 |
| korc_ | ups... somebody know this error: ERROR: /scratchbox/dev does not contain standard device nodes! | 02:48 |
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| tigert | wwalker, plug it in the slot? | 02:49 |
| disq | hey tigert :) | 02:51 |
| wwalker | did that... :( | 02:51 |
| disq | have you checked out the latest maemopad+, any opinions? | 02:51 |
| disq | wwalker: closing the memory card door should help. it would say "memory card available" or sometimes "memory card unformatted" (when it somehow doesn't recognize the partitions) | 02:52 |
| wwalker | tigert: looks like "unplug the USB cable" is what I needed. | 02:52 |
| disq | ah. yeah. i never use the usb cable myself | 02:53 |
| wwalker | I plan to never use it again once I can ssh / scp | 02:53 |
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| rhsanborn | Sorry about that, I was disconnected. Do you need root to install .deb packs? | 02:55 |
| tigert | yea. it of course can not use the card while its being used for usb-storage | 02:56 |
| tigert | rh; use application installer | 02:56 |
| tigert | for commandline deb instalation you need root shell | 02:56 |
| tigert | now sleep :) night! | 02:56 |
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| ajturner | yeah tigert - a litle late/early there? | 02:57 |
| disq | night. | 02:57 |
| ajturner | .whereis tigert | 02:57 |
| rhsanborn | tigert, there are sme apps that aren't in the installer | 02:57 |
| whereisbot | [off] tigert is probably in Vantaa, FI [60.3 x 24.85] http://maps.google.com/maps?q=60.3,24.85+(tigert) | 02:58 |
| ajturner | .whereami | 02:58 |
| whereisbot | [off] ajturner is in NORTHVILLE, MI, US (set) [42.431 x -83.4846] http://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.431,-83.4846+(ajturner) | 02:58 |
| nomis | .whereami | 02:59 |
| wwalker | ajturner: where is the dropbear startup script? | 02:59 |
| whereisbot | [off] nomis is probably in Gießen, DE (guessed) [50.58 x 8.68] http://maps.google.com/maps?q=50.58,8.68+(nomis) | 02:59 |
| wwalker | or what argument to dpkg makes it list the files in a package? | 02:59 |
| ajturner | wwalker -? | 02:59 |
| rhsanborn | Funny... | 02:59 |
| ajturner | not sure | 02:59 |
| rhsanborn | .whereami | 02:59 |
| wwalker | ajturner, how did you start dropbear? | 02:59 |
| ajturner | nomis - gruß | 03:00 |
| ajturner | wwalker - just starts with the installer | 03:00 |
| whereisbot | rhsanborn is hiding behind the tapestries (c-68-42-90-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) | 03:00 |
| nomis | ok, whereisbot is about 80 km off :) | 03:00 |
| ajturner | rhsanborn - sorry, not perfect (slow cnxn in my house too apparently) | 03:00 |
| ajturner | where are you actually? notice you're in mi? | 03:00 |
| rhsanborn | I'm in whte lake | 03:01 |
| ajturner | nomis - update at hostip.info | 03:01 |
| ajturner | geebus that's close to me :) | 03:01 |
| rhsanborn | Aye | 03:01 |
| ajturner | why don't we have a SouthEast Michigan Maemo Users Group? (SEMMUG?) | 03:01 |
| rhsanborn | I got my n800 in novi this afternoon | 03:01 |
| wwalker | woot! | 03:01 |
| ajturner | rhsanborn - at CompUSA there? | 03:02 |
| rhsanborn | Aye | 03:02 |
| ajturner | that's where I got my 770 | 03:02 |
| rhsanborn | Small world | 03:02 |
| ajturner | what do you do? | 03:02 |
| rhsanborn | Anyone know how to get root on the 800? | 03:03 |
| ajturner | wwalker's going to laugh | 03:03 |
| wwalker | is there anyway to get the 770 to stay on with the case covering the screen? (like to use it as an mp3 player sometimes while keeping the screen protected. | 03:03 |
| ajturner | install DropbearSSH server | 03:03 |
| rhsanborn | I'm a student at oakland univesity | 03:03 |
| wwalker | lol | 03:03 |
| ajturner | but it's apparently easier on the N800 - took me < 5 mins | 03:03 |
| * ajturner digs for url | 03:04 | |
| wwalker | http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ | 03:04 |
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| ajturner | not that hard for N800 | 03:04 |
| rhsanborn | wwalker, 800 users wre complaining that there wasn't a case to use to shut it of, heh | 03:05 |
| ajturner | I just added the maemo repository and it was in teh app mgr | 03:05 |
| ajturner | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/InstallSsh2006?highlight=%28ssh%29 | 03:05 |
| ajturner | I agree partly - all the physical upgrades weren't the best on the N800 | 03:05 |
| ajturner | I don't like the lack of hard cover or the buttons on top | 03:05 |
| rhsanborn | I have the maemo repo. I'll see if dropbear is there | 03:05 |
| ajturner | wwalker - did you use those directions? and added http://repository.maemo.org/ mistral free non-free | 03:06 |
| ajturner | ? | 03:06 |
| ajturner | that may have been faster | 03:06 |
| ajturner | rhsanborn - CS major? | 03:06 |
| rhsanborn | Anthropology major, minor in french | 03:07 |
| ajturner | but a geek apparently :) | 03:07 |
| rhsanborn | Used to be cs. Now i'm more of a mild hobbiest/power user | 03:07 |
| wwalker | OK, so how do I get root access? I've got dropbear installed and can ssh to it as "user", but not as root | 03:08 |
| ajturner | ssh in as root | 03:09 |
| ajturner | and do rootme? | 03:09 |
| ajturner | wwalker - running OS2006? | 03:09 |
| wwalker | ajturner: yes to 2006 | 03:10 |
| wwalker | I think... | 03:10 |
| ajturner | so you can follow those directions as well | 03:10 |
| rhsanborn | How do you find the ip? | 03:11 |
| wwalker | used a differnt set of directions.... | 03:11 |
| ajturner | open xterm and type ifconfig | 03:11 |
| ajturner | for one | 03:11 |
| ajturner | or look at connected devices on your wireless router | 03:12 |
| rhsanborn | Ifconfig doesn't work w/o root | 03:12 |
| wwalker | ajturner: I missed that the pw was rootme | 03:12 |
| wwalker | I'm in now. Thanjks | 03:13 |
| ajturner | i - as in eye | 03:13 |
| ajturner | ? | 03:13 |
| * wwalker just needs to learn to type now. | 03:13 | |
| rhsanborn | Yes, ifconfig | 03:13 |
| rhsanborn | Sorry, it auto caps | 03:14 |
| ajturner | that's strange -worked for me this morning | 03:14 |
| ajturner | more than likely it's somewhere like 2-15 | 03:14 |
| rhsanborn | Used router though | 03:14 |
| ajturner | mine was 15 | 03:14 |
| ajturner | 192.168.0.15 | 03:15 |
| ajturner | ah | 03:15 |
| rhsanborn | Mine is 1.102 | 03:15 |
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| wwalker | rhsanborn: /sbin/ifconfig | 03:15 |
| ajturner | yeah, depends on router | 03:16 |
| ajturner | ap | 03:16 |
| rhsanborn | Can i change something so that it lets me su...now that i have ssh | 03:16 |
| rhsanborn | ? | 03:16 |
| kjetilho | yes, you can add su to /etc/sudoers | 03:17 |
| ajturner | su or sudo? | 03:17 |
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| kjetilho | I write "sudo su -" and enter my own password. although to be honest I prefer to do root work via ssh, since I don't have a proper keyboard | 03:18 |
| rhsanborn | Perhaps i should setup sudo. Just haven't ever used it. I always su in, do whataever, and logout. | 03:19 |
| wwalker | should I change the password for the default user or create a new user? Actually, I just got this Nokia 770 used. Should I just restore to factory pristine? | 03:19 |
| rhsanborn | Look for scraps of the past user :p | 03:20 |
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| wwalker | How involved is it to return the 770 to pristine state? | 03:22 |
| konfoo | just flash it | 03:23 |
| konfoo | 5 mins work | 03:23 |
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| kjetilho | hmm, gPodder seems to download podcasts alright, but playing them is another matter | 03:25 |
| kjetilho | the built-in Audio player (in 2006ed on 770) is kind of painful to use, too. what do you guys recommend? | 03:26 |
| rhsanborn | I wanted root so that i could insall mplayer :p | 03:27 |
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| kjetilho | you don't need root for that | 03:27 |
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| rhsanborn | For the 800 you do | 03:27 |
| rhsanborn | The package manager version of it doesn't work | 03:27 |
| rhsanborn | Need to use the .deb file | 03:28 |
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| rhsanborn | But it does look like mplayer isn't teribly stable on the 800 yet | 03:31 |
| Milhouse | Serge has some issues with the firmware | 03:32 |
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| rhsanborn | Indeed. A lot of issues it looks like | 03:32 |
| wwalker | konfoo: scariness....flashing.... | 03:34 |
| rhsanborn | Hopefully we will see youtube, etc work in a ffew hardware flashes | 03:35 |
| Milhouse | From Serge: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=34232#post34232 | 03:35 |
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| wwalker | "after which it reboots automatically -- you're done now!" - it only seems to have shut off, not rebooted. is it writing to flash with the screen off? or do I darte to turn it on? | 03:36 |
| wwalker | s/darte/dare/ | 03:36 |
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| konfoo | wwalker: really, it shouldnt be | 03:38 |
| wwalker | looks good :) | 03:40 |
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| ocnarfid8 | How do I auto complete the grey text when I'm typing something in? | 03:48 |
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| kjetilho | ocnarfid8: press right arrow | 03:50 |
| ocnarfid8 | Thank you sir. Didn't see it in the manual. | 03:51 |
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| wwalker | anyone use a 770 for movie watching? Is the builtin player best? mplayer? something else? | 03:57 |
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| kjetilho | wwalker: mplayer is slightly better, and more convenient to use since it automatically lists the video files on your MMC | 04:04 |
| rhsanborn | It also can handle more codecs, no? | 04:05 |
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| kjetilho | probably. you'd want to reencode the content anyway, so I don't think that matters much | 04:06 |
| rhsanborn | For ex i can't listen to .ra streams | 04:07 |
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| wwalker | so I should have both, and should probably encode for mplayer? | 04:12 |
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| rhsanborn | *Mew* no skype for like 6 mo | 04:15 |
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| ocnarfid8 | I thought the release date was before the second half of the year (4-5mo) | 04:20 |
| rhsanborn | Skype native on 770? | 04:20 |
| ocnarfid8 | Oh, 800 I was talking. | 04:20 |
| rhsanborn | ocnarfid8, you may be right. I too was talking about 80 | 04:21 |
| rhsanborn | 800 | 04:21 |
| ocnarfid8 | "end of the first half of 2007" | 04:22 |
| ocnarfid8 | Day before the iPhone comes out. :) | 04:22 |
| rhsanborn | Bah. Skype us a big deal to me. I hope someone hacks a port in the meantime | 04:24 |
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| rhsanborn | Are the card slots hot swapable? | 04:33 |
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| Milhouse | Yes | 04:44 |
| rhsanborn | Thx | 04:44 |
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| DryLand404 | n800 users? | 05:03 |
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| rhsanborn | Some ;p | 05:04 |
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| david_ | Hello | 05:05 |
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| Schmots | thats better | 05:05 |
| Schmots | I have my n800 comming Tuesday, and I am starting to play with the dev sdk right now. I have the vmware system, but when I try to apt-get update or install something via apt-get I get a 401 Unauthorized IP. Any ideas whats wrong? | 05:06 |
| rhsanborn | Hi, Schmots | 05:06 |
| Schmots | hi rhsanborn | 05:06 |
| rhsanborn | Answers are intermittent, but i'm someone here canhelp | 05:07 |
| Schmots | I hope so. | 05:08 |
| Schmots | I know my network links work.. I was able to wget the index from the repositry.. the only problem I have is vmware player will only bridge with your eth0 device.. which in my windwos system is my wired.. but I only use my wireless so I am having to NAT. | 05:09 |
| rhsanborn | Maybe a question for a vmware board? | 05:16 |
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| Schmots | its not a vmware issue | 05:16 |
| Schmots | its an issue against the maemo respostories and an ip restriction | 05:17 |
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| Schmots | just to eleminate it as a problem.. could someone try to apt-get update againt http://repository.maemo.org/dists/boara/ anything | 05:24 |
| JoshTriplett | Has anyone here managed to successfully gotten the built-in media player on n800 to play vorbis using mogg? | 05:24 |
| JoshTriplett | I installed the latest version, which claims support for n800, and it associates vorbis files with the media player, but the media player doesn't load the files. | 05:25 |
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| JoshTriplett | I noticed that the gconf schema uses "application/ogg", which doesn't match the (incorrect) mime type audio/x-vorbis used everywhere else in mogg; however, making the two match didn't fix the problem. | 05:26 |
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| Schmots | anyone able to do an apt-get update? | 05:29 |
| Schmots | I can't even browse repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/sources | 05:30 |
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| rhsanborn | One sec schmots | 05:31 |
| Schmots | thanks | 05:31 |
| JoshTriplett | Schmots: That url doesn't exist; s/sources/source/ | 05:34 |
| JoshTriplett | Schmots: And in any case, source doesn't contain anything. | 05:34 |
| Schmots | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/source/Sources | 05:35 |
| Schmots | or even http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/Release all locations with the software and databases for the apt repository | 05:36 |
| Schmots | well, I will have to try and solve my problem in the morning. Later | 05:37 |
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| JoshTriplett | I just checked, and gst-launch-0.10 can play vorbis from the command line. | 05:39 |
| JoshTriplett | So I just need to figure out how to get the media player to handle vorbis. | 05:39 |
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| dolfun | <dolfun> am i the only person who can hear his/her computer *think*? | 05:48 |
| dolfun | <Evil_Otto> dolfun: it's called 'mescaline | 05:48 |
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| ocnarfid8 | hmph my fmradio stopped working, only sounds like static now. | 05:58 |
| rhsanborn | I have to go outside yet to test my fm | 05:59 |
| ocnarfid8 | oh wait. | 05:59 |
| ocnarfid8 | works with headphones. | 05:59 |
| ocnarfid8 | holy this device is sexy. | 06:00 |
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| rhsanborn | Aye | 06:00 |
| ocnarfid8 | Matey | 06:01 |
| ocnarfid8 | I haven't been excited about a piece of hardware like this in a LONG time. | 06:02 |
| ocnarfid8 | (and software) | 06:02 |
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| rhsanborn | Its pretty sweet. Just need to get my keyboard | 06:04 |
| ocnarfid8 | Which one are you getting? | 06:04 |
| rhsanborn | Stowaway | 06:05 |
| ocnarfid8 | $130/ | 06:06 |
| ocnarfid8 | ? | 06:06 |
| ocnarfid8 | Why do you like that one better then the nokia one? | 06:06 |
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| rhsanborn | Stowaway can be had for 80 or 90 | 06:07 |
| rhsanborn | Nokia is 130 | 06:07 |
| ocnarfid8 | is the nokia one full size? | 06:07 |
| ocnarfid8 | i kind of want a smaller then full size one i think | 06:08 |
| rhsanborn | Not sure. I def want full | 06:08 |
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| kjetilho | it would be nice if the E61 could be used as a bluetooth keyboard. but I don't think it supports that. | 06:13 |
| kjetilho | of course it wouldn't be a proper keyboard, but I always carry it with me, and it's way faster than the on screen keyboards | 06:14 |
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| ocnarfid8 | you guys get podcasts on the N800? what software do you use? | 06:17 |
| matt_c | ocnarfid8: there's a gpodder build for maemo | 06:19 |
| matt_c | I haven't tried it on my 770 but it works on teh 800 | 06:19 |
| ocnarfid8 | I thought I read it had a memory leak or memory issues. | 06:19 |
| ocnarfid8 | (thou i could be wrong) | 06:19 |
| matt_c | ocnarfid8: http://www.flickr.com/photos/postneo/383208690/ | 06:19 |
| matt_c | You need to make sure that there's a card in the external slot or else it will crash, but it works fine for me | 06:20 |
| ocnarfid8 | will give that a go. | 06:20 |
| matt_c | oh looks like there's a new version out: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=170 | 06:21 |
| rhsanborn | Is gpodder a .deb? | 06:21 |
| matt_c | rhsanborn: that's the way I installed it | 06:22 |
| matt_c | make sure you grab wget too | 06:22 |
| rhsanborn | In maemo garage? | 06:22 |
| matt_c | rhsanborn: in the link above. | 06:22 |
| rhsanborn | Thx. Btw, do you know of a skype build for 800? | 06:22 |
| matt_c | I prefer gizmo, haven't looked for skype. | 06:23 |
| matt_c | I think there's something in the works but I haven't seen anything. | 06:23 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: When you say "full size", do you mean laptop-sized? | 06:25 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: I assume it doesn't have a numpad. :) | 06:25 |
| ocnarfid8 | JoshTriplett: yes more or less -- in terms of key size. | 06:25 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Cool. | 06:25 |
| ocnarfid8 | There are three listed .. hang on let me dig up the URL | 06:25 |
| ocnarfid8 | damn i closed that tab. | 06:27 |
| JoshTriplett | Ah, got it! I can't yet get the media player to play vorbis *files*, but I got it to play vorbis streams. | 06:27 |
| JoshTriplett | ...he says as it mysteriously stops playing... | 06:29 |
| ocnarfid8 | so many dependenies eek. To install one package I have to go down a tree of others and find libraries. | 06:31 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: You shouldn't; apt should find all those dependencies, if the repository and packages got set up correctly. | 06:32 |
| ocnarfid8 | JoshTriplett: I should use the cmdline you are saying? I have been clicking on the web link to the .deb packages which I guess is handled by the app manager? | 06:32 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: You should tell the application manager about an apt source. | 06:33 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Then installing one package should pull in its dependencies. | 06:33 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: If the software you want to install doesn't have an apt source, you can easily make one on a Debian system with web access. | 06:34 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: man dpkg-scanpackages. | 06:34 |
| rhsanborn | If i install a .deb file can i later remove it using the nice app ui? | 06:35 |
| ocnarfid8 | How do i know what apt source a package is in? (ie gpodder: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=170) | 06:36 |
| JoshTriplett | rhsanborn: If the app manager acknowledges its existence, yes. (section user, or an app manager in red pill mode) | 06:37 |
| JoshTriplett | rhsanborn: For most normal debs, yes. | 06:37 |
| rhsanborn | Cool. I'd like to be able to remove them if need be, in the future. | 06:37 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Those debs don't have an apt source. Looking to see if a gpodder apt source exists... | 06:38 |
| rhsanborn | You also mentioned that you need an external card in it or gpodder | 06:38 |
| rhsanborn | Does it just need to be in or does it have to be formatted a certain way? | 06:39 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: I can't find any apt source for gpodder. | 06:39 |
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| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: So you either have to make an apt source, get someone to make an apt source, or install deps by hand. | 06:39 |
| ocnarfid8 | JoshTriplett: thanks, will figure it out by hand. | 06:40 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: What dependencies did it want, anyway, besides wget? | 06:40 |
| ocnarfid8 | Need phython which needs some other library i have to locate. | 06:40 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Ah. Do you have the maemo apt source? | 06:40 |
| ocnarfid8 | yea i'm going to see if I can install python that way. | 06:40 |
| ocnarfid8 | yup, found bora-extra, cool. | 06:41 |
| ocnarfid8 | eek. not quite. | 06:41 |
| ocnarfid8 | missing lots of libs can't install it. | 06:41 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: No, not the one I mean. | 06:43 |
| JoshTriplett | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free | 06:43 |
| JoshTriplett | You might also want deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free | 06:44 |
| ocnarfid8 | from the commandline you mean? | 06:44 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: No, app manager. | 06:44 |
| ocnarfid8 | so many 'catalogues' its a bit confusing. | 06:45 |
| ocnarfid8 | less missing libraries. | 06:47 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: What do you have left? | 06:47 |
| ocnarfid8 | still missing libgdbm3. | 06:47 |
| * ocnarfid8 pours another glass of wine | 06:48 | |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Then you don't have the right maemo repository. | 06:48 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Can you go to the command line and cat /etc/apt/sources.list, and paste that here? | 06:48 |
| ocnarfid8 | yup give me a sec. | 06:48 |
| JoshTriplett | Er... | 06:48 |
| JoshTriplett | paste it at pastebin, rather. | 06:49 |
| rhsanborn | ocnarfid8, using .deb for python? | 06:49 |
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| JoshTriplett | Ah, I think I figured out what causes the radio app to intermittently fail on this Ogg stream: it seems to fail at song transitions. | 06:53 |
| JoshTriplett | Perhaps it chokes on the media change info. | 06:53 |
| rhsanborn | What folder does it mount via usb? | 06:56 |
| ocnarfid8 | JoshTriplett: http://pastebin.ca/350013 | 06:56 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: OK. First of all, you shouldn't have any mistral sources. | 06:59 |
| ocnarfid8 | what are those about? | 06:59 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: You also have the mulliner source twice. :) | 06:59 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: mistral == os2006; bora == os2007. | 06:59 |
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| ocnarfid8 | gotcha. I thought some 2006 apps work in 2007 though? | 07:00 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Sometimes... | 07:01 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: But they can also break your system. :) | 07:01 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: At least, to the point where you have to use the command line to unwedge it. | 07:01 |
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| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: OK, it looks like you don't have the main maemo source, and you have various sources duplicated. | 07:02 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: Would you rather fix this through the application manager, or by replacing /etc/apt/sources.list on the command line? | 07:02 |
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| ocnarfid8 | i can do it on the cmdline, I am ssh'd into it | 07:02 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: OK. | 07:02 |
| JoshTriplett | Then one moment and I'll pastebin you a file to replace /etc/apt/sources.list with. | 07:03 |
| ocnarfid8 | cool thanks | 07:03 |
| JoshTriplett | Out of curiosity, what does the one unlabeled source (deb http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo bora free) have? | 07:03 |
| ocnarfid8 | Don't recall | 07:04 |
| JoshTriplett | Oh, wait, it has a label, it just got wrapped oddly... | 07:05 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: http://pastebin.ca/350023 | 07:06 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: That has all your sources, plus the main Maemo source (which you didn't have). I also replaced the mistral sources with the corresponding bora sources. | 07:08 |
| ocnarfid8 | cool let me reload the app manager and try python again | 07:08 |
| JoshTriplett | ocnarfid8: It should work; you have all the sources I do, and I installed Python straight from the app manager interface. | 07:10 |
| ocnarfid8 | yup, looksl ike its cooking now, had to refresh the app list. | 07:10 |
| ocnarfid8 | nice. thanks so much for your help! | 07:10 |
| ocnarfid8 | lets see what else i need for gpodder | 07:10 |
| ocnarfid8 | ok just need wget now, let see. | 07:14 |
| ocnarfid8 | oh there is a deb of it on the gpodder page | 07:16 |
| konfoo | ahhh i just love the postfix | 07:17 |
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| JoshTriplett | Does a deb for osso-mediaengine exist anywhere? | 07:31 |
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| JoshTriplett | Anyone have the tremor plugin installed? | 07:58 |
| JoshTriplett | I wondered if you could run a quick test if so. | 07:58 |
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| JoshTriplett | Nevermind, figured it out. | 08:13 |
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| JoshTriplett | alp: Trying to get my n800 to play Ogg streams. | 08:25 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: I've got it to the point where the built-in media player will play an Ogg stream, but stop at each song change. | 08:26 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: I tested on the command line with gst-launch-0.10, and it does the same thing. | 08:26 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: And I tested on my laptop, and it again does the same thing. So I want to know how to make a gstreamer pipeline that doesn't stop at the end of each song, and then how to make the media player use that. | 08:28 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: I didn't realize you hung out on #maemo. | 08:28 |
| alp | JoshTriplett: we seem to share interests :-) i've been around since the 770 | 08:32 |
| * JoshTriplett got one of the Developer Device discounts for the n800. | 08:34 | |
| alp | they did well to send you one | 08:34 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: :) | 08:34 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Thanks. | 08:34 |
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| JoshTriplett | alp: I haven't had time to set up scratchbox yet, but I've had lots of fun playing with the python runtime. | 08:39 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: I've managed to write a simple mythfrontend remote control. | 08:40 |
| alp | neat. i've got a c# replacement for the proprietary radio program | 08:41 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: fmradio? *Awesome!* | 08:42 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Need a tester? :) | 08:42 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Got an apt source? | 08:43 |
| alp | i'm just pushing the git repos now. v4l2-sharp and alsa-sharp are done | 08:43 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Wow. | 08:43 |
| alp | i had to objdump some nokia blobs to get at the neat stuff | 08:43 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Nice. How much work did the gnireenigne require? | 08:44 |
| alp | it was only for the d-bus stuff actually, to switch output between headset and speakers, watch for headset etc. the radio and alsa are bog standard | 08:46 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Ah, right; since you have to have the headphones plugged in as an antenna, you need to allow the user to switch between them independently of the plug detection? | 08:47 |
| alp | precisely | 08:47 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: That seems like something the audio tray icon should let you do. | 08:47 |
| alp | yeah. unfortunately the abstractions break down sometimes. they probably wanted to do this non-invasively | 08:48 |
| alp | it actually has to poll a fair bit to stop osso from switching things back to what it expects | 08:48 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Ow. | 08:48 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: So how does the radio work, then? | 08:48 |
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| alp | it plays back to "Line". we have to set the alsa ""Line Playback Switch" element 0-1 to true, and "Line Playback Volume" to something sensible as the media framework doesn't touch "master", only the default alsa device | 08:50 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: How do you tune it? | 08:51 |
| alp | v4l2 ioctls | 08:51 |
| JoshTriplett | Cool. | 08:51 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Did you use gstreamer for this? | 08:51 |
| alp | no gstreamer, and nor did they | 08:52 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Ah. | 08:52 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: So, you use v4l2 ioctls to tune it, but you don't use v4l devices to listen to it? | 08:52 |
| obra | Possibly offensive question: has anyone cross-compiled thunderbird for maemo? | 08:52 |
| alp | the gstreamer tuner stuff was awkward last time i looked. it's not even a stream here, just a control interface | 08:52 |
| alp | don't know why anyone would want to record FM, but i'm going to investigate using Line as a source | 08:53 |
| obra | alp: having a tivo for my favorite radio programs would be wonderful ;) | 08:53 |
| JoshTriplett | Ditto; that might actually get me to listen to radio. :) | 08:54 |
| obra | Not everything is podcasted yet. | 08:54 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Given some of the audio fingerprinting technology available, you could use that to name the song. :) | 08:54 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Lots of uses for having a stream available. | 08:54 |
| alp | i thought about that josh, but i don't know any open algorithms | 08:54 |
| JoshTriplett | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_fingerprint lists a few open ones. | 08:56 |
| JoshTriplett | musicbrainz, for instance. | 08:56 |
| JoshTriplett | Hmmm, wait. | 08:57 |
| JoshTriplett | Looks like they have a binary component to actually compute the fingerprint, sigh. | 08:57 |
| JoshTriplett | Correction: you can compute the ID to look up a fingerprint using the open library, you just can't fingerprint new audio. | 09:00 |
| JoshTriplett | Which seems suboptimal... | 09:00 |
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| alp | cunning business plan though | 09:02 |
| jtokash | When I call shutdown -P now from an xterm on my n800, it reboots. | 09:02 |
| jtokash | Is there a way to get it to turn off? | 09:02 |
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| JoshTriplett | -h seems to work. | 09:04 |
| jtokash | great, thanks JoshTriplett! | 09:04 |
| jtokash | works great now! | 09:06 |
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| JoshTriplett | Hmmm, odd. | 09:11 |
| JoshTriplett | I started my n800 back up, and it didn't listen on ssh. | 09:11 |
| JoshTriplett | ps aux from an xterm shows dropbear running, though. | 09:11 |
| jtokash | you need to use your browser or something | 09:11 |
| jtokash | to get the internet connection to be fully running | 09:11 |
| jtokash | Sounds odd, I know | 09:12 |
| JoshTriplett | That works. | 09:12 |
| JoshTriplett | I would go with "broken", personally. :) | 09:12 |
| JoshTriplett | What precisely does that do? | 09:12 |
| jtokash | Even though iphome shows an ip address and the world icon has an antenna on it, it hasn't set up everything yet, I guess | 09:12 |
| JoshTriplett | What doesn't happen with the internet connection until you bring up a browser? | 09:12 |
| jtokash | good question. don't know. | 09:13 |
| * JoshTriplett tries rebooting again and investigating. | 09:13 | |
| JoshTriplett | Useful tip, by the way: printf "Host n800\n Alias nokian800\n User user\n" >> ~/.ssh/config | 09:15 |
| obra | tigert: is there any chance of a 12pt version of your gorgeous, gorgeous plankton theme? | 09:15 |
| JoshTriplett | jtokash: Looks like after you reboot the interface does come up; I can ping the device, and nmap it. | 09:17 |
| JoshTriplett | jtokash: It listens on 6000 for X11 connections, even. | 09:17 |
| JoshTriplett | jtokash: Just not on 22 for ssh. | 09:17 |
| JoshTriplett | jtokash: ifconfig shows the interface up. | 09:17 |
| JoshTriplett | jtokash: Looks like touching the wireless icon and clicking "change connection" then "cancel" gets ssh listening as well. | 09:19 |
| JoshTriplett | By the way, I figured out how to give Internet radio stations names rather than numbers. | 09:20 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, python2.4-numeric gives "corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive". Is this an error in the repo or in my system? | 09:21 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: What OS? | 09:21 |
| Akatemik | Newest fo 770 | 09:21 |
| Akatemik | That is the updated 2006 | 09:21 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Can you point at the deb? | 09:21 |
| JoshTriplett | s/at/me at/ | 09:21 |
| Akatemik | Filename is python2.4-numeric_24.2-1osso3_armel.deb, I'll check from which repo that comes from | 09:22 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Check out ~/.mediaplayer-engine/radiochannels.m3u | 09:23 |
| Akatemik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/2.1/free/p/python-numeric/python2.5-numeric_24.2-1osso4_armel.deb | 09:23 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Uh, that deb has python2.5-numeric, not python2.4-numeric. | 09:24 |
| Akatemik | Whoops, so not that :) | 09:24 |
| alp | JoshTriplett: yep, right there. didn't know about the numbers restriction | 09:25 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: When you add a radio station through the GUI, it doesn't offer you any option to name it. | 09:25 |
| Akatemik | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.1/free/p/python-numeric/python2.4-numeric_24.2-1osso3_armel.deb | 09:25 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: So the UI just displays it as the URL. | 09:25 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Or IP address. | 09:25 |
| Akatemik | Just checked the first repo in my sources.list that seemed to apply. Sorry, still need to wake up (and have breakfast) | 09:26 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: The deb looks fine. | 09:26 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: No tar corruption. | 09:26 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, is there a way to ask apt "where would you download this file"? Would make these kind of things faster to check | 09:26 |
| Akatemik | JoshTriplett: Hmm, so I'll try to redownload. If it doesn't work, something else is amiss | 09:27 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: apt-cache policy shows you which repo. | 09:27 |
| Akatemik | JoshTriplett: Ha, nice to know. Thanks | 09:27 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: And apt-get has an option to print full URIs. | 09:28 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: --print-uris, I think. | 09:28 |
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| JoshTriplett | Oh, fun; my n800 just rebooted when I sshed to it. | 09:28 |
| Akatemik | Err, my 770 refuses to connect to the repository.maemo.org | 09:29 |
| Akatemik | Apt just stops at that point :/ | 09:29 |
| Akatemik | Nothing wrong with the wlan, since I'm connected with ssh from my desktop, nothing wrong with the repo either (works on firefox) | 09:30 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: apt-get --print-uris --download-only --reinstall install python2.4-numeric | 09:31 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: That should work. | 09:31 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: It'll print a full URI for the python2.4-numeric apt would install. | 09:31 |
| Akatemik | Ok, works now. Odd, I'd thought that apt has some kind of mechanism to verify and redownload packages, if there are transmission errors (not that there should be with tcp...) | 09:33 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: It should definitely not get errors. | 09:33 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: In particular, it checks a checksum for every package. | 09:33 |
| Akatemik | Err... I got weird dependecy loops, so I decided to remove all problematic packages and try installing telomer again, but: http://rafb.net/p/2wVRs859.html | 09:38 |
| Akatemik | Now I get that last error about osso-voip with every apt-get command | 09:40 |
| zuh | That's not dependancy loop, that's a broken dpkg database | 09:41 |
| Akatemik | Now is | 09:41 |
| Akatemik | But it was a dependency problem before. Just explaining why I first remove a package and then try to install it again | 09:42 |
| zuh | It's broken in the remove command too... | 09:42 |
| Akatemik | Arh, and so is my vi broken over ssh. When I make a modification, suddenly the whole line jumps and I'm not where I was supposed to be | 09:44 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: "reset" | 09:44 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Possibly just a terminal problem. | 09:44 |
| Akatemik | JoshTriplett: Switching to xterm, maybe 770 doesn't understand about rxvt | 09:45 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Probably not. | 09:46 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Though I think a package exists with more terminfo definitions. | 09:46 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: ncurses-term, I think. | 09:46 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Large, though. | 09:46 |
| Akatemik | Also, it seems that vi doesn't like to jump with : command | 09:46 |
| Akatemik | pagedowning worked | 09:46 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Wait, did you install vi, or did you use the builtin vi? | 09:47 |
| Akatemik | Builtin | 09:47 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Ah. busybox vi has many features removed. :) | 09:47 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: busybox vi != vim. :) | 09:47 |
| Akatemik | Well, it did the jump, but then got all the lines mixed up | 09:47 |
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| Akatemik | But it seems like my /var/lib/dpkg/status is really messed up | 09:48 |
| Akatemik | I think I got it fixed now | 09:53 |
| Akatemik | Sure would like to know how it broke down | 09:53 |
| Akatemik | I see... so the original problem is that python2.4-pysqlite2 depends on sqlite >= 3.0.8. Sqlite is 2.8, but the package sqlite3 doesn't provide sqlite... | 09:56 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Yay. | 09:57 |
| Akatemik | Is there an alternative place to get python2.4? I'd really like to try telmoer | 09:57 |
| Akatemik | telomer, even | 09:57 |
| * JoshTriplett uses n800 and python2.5, so I dunno. | 09:58 | |
| Akatemik | I could get python2.5 for 770 too, but unfortunately telomer won't take it | 09:58 |
| JoshTriplett | Ah. | 09:58 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Sounds to me like a bug in python2.4-pysqlite2. | 09:59 |
| Akatemik | Or in the packaging of sqlite3. I'm not sure if the former is supposed to depend on latter, or if the latter is supposed to say "Hey, I can replace the original sqlite" | 10:00 |
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| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: Versioned provides don't work. | 10:01 |
| JoshTriplett | Akatemik: So if python2.4-pysqlite2 depends on sqlite >= 3.0.8, it needs a real sqlite package with version >= 3.0.8. | 10:02 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, I see | 10:02 |
| Akatemik | Well, I "fixed" my problem... The sqlite in mistral pool is newer than the one in scirocco pool | 10:03 |
| JoshTriplett | Huh. Why does Xomap run at 96 dpi? | 10:04 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, telomer seems nice | 10:10 |
| Akatemik | Or should I say, workable | 10:11 |
| alp | JoshTriplett: i think a lot of people gave up on using the X dpi information | 10:17 |
| Akatemik | I wish there was a comparison of features between tinymail and IPL | 10:17 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Yeah, unfortunately. | 10:19 |
| alp | maybe modesetting will change that, but the gnome toolchain at least has its own way of doing things (right?) | 10:19 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: It has its own way of doing things, yes. I wouldn't call it "right". :) | 10:19 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Any idea how to get x authentication working? | 10:19 |
| alp | JoshTriplett: haha, how did you know what i was just doing? | 10:20 |
| alp | was just looking for the xauth data after you mentioned the port was open | 10:20 |
| JoshTriplett | :) | 10:20 |
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| JoshTriplett | alp: I think I found it. | 10:32 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Check out /etc/init.d/x-server. | 10:32 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: That shows how Xomap gets run. | 10:32 |
| alp | yep, i see it | 10:32 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: I think that despite listening on TCP it has no auth data. | 10:32 |
| alp | yeah, it's not in ARGS | 10:32 |
| * JoshTriplett plays with the args. | 10:32 | |
| alp | or we could just add new cookies by connecting over the local socket first | 10:33 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: If you had any means of connecting to the local socket. :) | 10:33 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Or adding cookies. | 10:33 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: DISPLAY=:0 from an xterm or ssh session doesn't seem to work. | 10:33 |
| alp | works for me | 10:36 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Can you start a program? | 10:36 |
| JoshTriplett | alp: Hmmm, looks like "-nollsten tcp" works if you want to avoid listening on 6000. | 10:37 |
| * JoshTriplett tries -ac | 10:41 | |
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| JoshTriplett | alp: x2x works. :) | 10:52 |
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| keesj | alp: did you try more package from there? | 11:34 |
| alp | keesj: yep. i've used a few. sometimes there are abi mismatches since it's a year ahead of 'bora' | 11:35 |
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| keesj | it's a more recent toolchain right? | 11:39 |
| keesj | I would really love to see a linux fromscatch or gentoo based image for the maemo platform | 11:41 |
| keesj | I don't have the knowledge yet to do it :( | 11:41 |
| Guardian | what would be the use of a gentoo based image ? | 11:42 |
| keesj | to always have a recent toolchain , easy way of testing packages, being able to compile the importent packages yourself | 11:43 |
| keesj | a working gdb , stuff like that | 11:44 |
| keesj | I guess http://armel-debs.applieddata.net/debian/pool/ is a nice effort | 11:44 |
| keesj | Guardian: perhaps it is just a lak of knowledge from my side but I have no idea how nokia creates the base packages | 11:46 |
| koen | note that the debian armel packages are incompatible with maemo armel packages | 11:46 |
| koen | maemo used that god forsaken patched-to-hell glibc 2.3 and gcc 3 from codesourcery | 11:47 |
| koen | debian uses glibc 2.4 and gcc 4.1 from gnu | 11:47 |
| keesj | koen: do you know what kind of tools nokia uses , I might be handy to know , perhaps we are duplicating work with the mud project | 11:48 |
| keesj | People seam capable of contributing mud packages and I am quite happy with that | 11:48 |
| koen | keesj: even nokia doesn't know what tools they are using | 11:49 |
| keesj | lol | 11:49 |
| koen | devesh had to admit that the people that put together the IT200x firmware images are not in the maemo/osso department | 11:50 |
| keesj | Guardian: perhaps my explaination is very clear, but do you understand what I am trying to say? | 11:50 |
| keesj | Do you know who did it then? | 11:53 |
| Guardian | keesj: sure i undertsand, it's just that i never felt the use of recompiling the base packages | 11:55 |
| kulve | I felt that ;) | 11:56 |
| kulve | I just had to compile most of the stuff starting from libc | 11:56 |
| kulve | same code, but different gcc options.. | 11:57 |
| keesj | I love when it's possible to do that (for example adding debug info) | 11:58 |
| keesj | or thumb thing | 11:58 |
| kulve | I removed the thumb. Every packaged seemed to grow about 30%, which was expected.. | 11:59 |
| keesj | better speed | 12:00 |
| kulve | well, I'm going to test, if the bigger size has bigger impact that the armv6 optimizations.. | 12:00 |
| Guardian | thumb ? | 12:00 |
| Guardian | set of compiler options ? | 12:00 |
| kulve | Guardian: http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/archi-thumb.html | 12:01 |
| keesj | kulve: do you have some hints about how you recompiled things? | 12:02 |
| kulve | "The Thumb instruction set features a subset of the most commonly used 32-bit ARM instructions which have been compressed into 16-bit wide opcodes." | 12:02 |
| kulve | keesj: I build always everything with dpkg-buildpackage. To enable the optimizations I added the ifndefs to debian/rules. Many of the rules files already have that for thumb, so I just added a few more | 12:03 |
| keesj | kulve: but do you have a system to keep the changes/differences? | 12:05 |
| kulve | keesj: no :/ | 12:05 |
| keesj | kulve: try mud :p | 12:05 |
| kulve | if you mean patches to source codes | 12:05 |
| keesj | patches to the rules / control or source | 12:05 |
| kulve | one annoying problem I bumped into was that there is no sources for the latest binaries for some packages | 12:06 |
| keesj | but what I like about gentoo is that the options would not be package specific, gentoo would introduce a "thumb" flag and adding this to your default flags and running a emerge --newuse world would rebuild all the packages that can make use of the thumb keyword | 12:07 |
| kulve | i.e. for gst-base-plugins and for X there was slightly newer binary that the sources | 12:07 |
| keesj | kulve: specialy in the extra reptository or also in the default maemo repositories? | 12:07 |
| kulve | any repository | 12:08 |
| keesj | kulve: I would really like to have the Xnest binay , if you have it laying around... | 12:08 |
| koen | keesj: xnest, why not Xephyr? | 12:08 |
| kulve | hmm.. Xnest for arm..? | 12:08 |
| keesj | yes fro arm , I want to experiment with different window managers | 12:09 |
| kulve | hmm again. Why do you need xnest for that? | 12:10 |
| keesj | what other options do I have? | 12:10 |
| kulve | well, first thouhg: Disable starting of maemo-af-desktop as it may require exactly matchbox. Then start your own wm and then start some apps there.. | 12:11 |
| keesj | that sounds like a reciepe for hell :) and watchdog resets, missing plugins etc | 12:12 |
| melmoth | anybody here familiar with libosso (and preferrabily python) ? I would like an example of rpc call with arguments | 12:12 |
| kulve | disable of course the reset | 12:12 |
| zuh | kulve: nono, m-a-d runs fine without matchbox | 12:14 |
| kulve | zuh: well, that should ease things up.. | 12:14 |
| keesj | melmoth: this is what I do in cosy-home to open the browser (c) http://paste-it.net/1228 http://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/api/html/cosy-bookmarks_8c-source.html | 12:15 |
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| zuh | and if you shut it down with the scripts, it won't even be restarted (as it will if you just kill it) | 12:16 |
| melmoth | hmm, let me have a look | 12:16 |
| keesj | zuh: what is m-a-d? | 12:16 |
| zuh | maemo-af-desktop | 12:16 |
| fish_ | re | 12:17 |
| Guardian | kulve: thx for the link | 12:17 |
| kulve | np | 12:18 |
| keesj | anyway , if anybody can help me getting xnest runnning on arm I would be happy :) | 12:18 |
| kulve | keesj: just compile you own wm, and start it instead of matchbox :) | 12:18 |
| zuh | keesj: just put http://rafb.net/p/GfhYl664.html in a script and call it with "stop" or "start" as the argument | 12:19 |
| zuh | so shutdown mb, start your own, experiment, kill it, start up mb and you're right back where you started | 12:20 |
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| ptman | is gtkhtml available to python in maemo? | 12:21 |
| melmoth | ok, so you are using rpc_run_with_default... I ll try with that, but i try a similar method, the difference being that the args are not an undefined size list but a tuple in python, and i m afraid it may not be working. | 12:22 |
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| melmoth | actually i was trying rpc_async_run_with default :) because the main problem i have is having the gui not to feel forzen when performing a time consuming stuff such as I/O or call to a library that takes time | 12:23 |
| melmoth | usually, in pygtk i wad launching those stuff in a separate thread, so the GUI felt reactive. | 12:23 |
| melmoth | but on maemo, the applications till feels frozen, so i m trying to workaround this by using dbus... | 12:23 |
| zuh | keesj: I use this in a demo package that shuts down the whole desktop, matchbox and sapwood and runs a dedicated UI (which uses the vanilla gtk stack from a prefix) and then when that finishes it starts the maemo desktop again... No reflashing or anything ;) | 12:23 |
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| melmoth | ptman: i do not know, but i do not have a gtkhtml2 module available to import with python2.5 | 12:25 |
| ptman | damn | 12:26 |
| ptman | how should I render html, then | 12:26 |
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| melmoth | ptman: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-September/005643.html | 12:27 |
| melmoth | may be i did not found the module because i did not look very well :) | 12:28 |
| melmoth | but i do not know wich .deb gives it, nor what is the exact name of the module to import | 12:28 |
| ptman | or if it is even importable in python | 12:29 |
| ptman | I really wouldn't like to write the app in C | 12:29 |
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| kulve | any gstreamer gurus here? How do I store video from the camera to the disk with gst-launch and how do I then play it back with gst-launch? I can actually store the video, but playback doesn't work. | 12:30 |
| ptman | the package doesn't contain anything related to python | 12:30 |
| melmoth | may be there is no module in python for it :( I used a gtktextview to display text. | 12:32 |
| ptman | for text, it would be okay, but not for html | 12:32 |
| melmoth | luckily i only have test to display :) | 12:33 |
| melmoth | What about having a little c program that would generate the html for you using gtk ? | 12:34 |
| melmoth | so you could call it with d-bus message, and wait for the result, and thus help me with my (how do i use dbus with argument problem :) ) ? | 12:34 |
| ptman | =P | 12:35 |
| ptman | very nice approach to getting others to solve your problem =) | 12:35 |
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| ptman | I really wouldn't want to have a separate process, especially coded in C | 12:36 |
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| keesj | zuh: and the script you just provided helps sutting down the interface right? | 12:39 |
| keesj | I must start my own right after that | 12:40 |
| tko | ptman, gtkhtml python bindings are in the same source package as gnome bindings in general, right? currently I think we have bindings only for gtk | 12:40 |
| ptman | I wouldn't know | 12:40 |
| ptman | I've actually never even touched gtk/gnome -programming in my life | 12:41 |
| suihkulokki | time to pop your virginity | 12:41 |
| ptman | I've only hacked together a ssh-askpass in python for maemo | 12:41 |
| keesj | ptman: perhaps wxWidget + lua is something for you, it also contains a simple html renderer ? http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/07/p49#more49 | 12:43 |
| keesj | (this is my own post so I sould not make to much comerials for it | 12:44 |
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| melmoth | oups... if i use osso_rpc.rpc_async_run, my python2.5 segfault... | 12:52 |
| melmoth | Shall i send a gdb baktrace and a test case to somebody ? | 12:52 |
| zuh | keesj: It just stops/starts matchbox, nothing else | 12:52 |
| melmoth | any idea where to find python2.5 debug symbols package as well ? | 12:53 |
| zuh | keesj: if you just play with window managers, you don't need to shut down the whole thing... | 12:53 |
| kulve | testing those with the rootfs on mmc might be still a good idea.. :) | 12:55 |
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| keesj | kulve: having the rootfs on the mmc will really change the way you think about the device, other device come with 20Gig + hard disks | 13:19 |
| tko | http://fredericiana.com/2007/02/10/web-20-explained/ - nice | 13:20 |
| keesj | I find the difference between the 770 and n800 in terms of memory and flash already quite huge | 13:20 |
| kulve | I have "dev rootfs" on the 2nd partition of my mmc | 13:21 |
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| kulve | no matter what I screw up, the flash rootfs will boot up :) | 13:22 |
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| keesj | I did not find time to do it | 13:27 |
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| kulve | install boot menu, take the rootfs.jffs2 fromm fiasco, copy to mmc and boot :) | 13:31 |
| kulve | I slightly modified the bootmenu to boot from mmc partition 2 | 13:32 |
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| keesj | I saw the post on the mailing list , I tried adding bootmenu a while ago and that did not work | 13:33 |
| kulve | hmm, I didn't have any problems with it, when trying from Ãflash | 13:33 |
| kulve | didn't work on mmc | 13:34 |
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| pbrook | I'm having problems with video playback on my n800. When I seek within a file (eg. skipping ahead) the media player locks up 90% of the time. | 14:01 |
| pbrook | I've tried both mplayer and the shipped media player, both are the same. | 14:02 |
| pbrook | Anybody else having similar problems? | 14:02 |
| kulve | o/ | 14:02 |
| kulve | but I haven't really tried to solve it.. | 14:02 |
| kulve | I'm waiting for someone to make a gst-based open source player.. | 14:03 |
| suihkulokki | if it's both that are locking up, I't point the finger to the dsp-mp3 decoder | 14:04 |
| pbrook | That was my suspicion too. | 14:05 |
| suihkulokki | since it's pretty much the only thing those too players share | 14:05 |
| pbrook | Is that open-source? | 14:05 |
| suihkulokki | mp3? | 14:05 |
| bilboed | the dsp-mp3 decoder is proprietary | 14:05 |
| pbrook | Boo. | 14:05 |
| bilboed | but is usable with any gstreamer app | 14:05 |
| pbrook | Doesn't help me debug it :-) | 14:05 |
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| bilboed | pbrook, debug what ? | 14:06 |
| suihkulokki | pbrook: try forcing esd sound output on mplayer | 14:06 |
| pbrook | Hmm, that's annoying, it's started working now :-/ | 14:06 |
| bilboed | first step to getting a nice gst-based player : have a way to install up-to-date gstreamer core + plugins | 14:08 |
| suihkulokki | pbrook: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues | 14:08 |
| bilboed | including, alas, gst-plugins-ugly and gst-ffmpeg | 14:08 |
| bilboed | which nokia will never officially support (because of legal issues) | 14:09 |
| pbrook | suihkulokki: It's not rebooting, it's just stalling the player. | 14:09 |
| kulve | repeating my earlier question: any gstreamer gurus here? How do I store video from the camera to the disk with gst-launch and how do I then play it back with gst-launch? I can actually store the video, but playback doesn't work. | 14:10 |
| bilboed | kulve, you'll need to store it in a container format, and I don' think there's any muxer shipped with the n800 | 14:11 |
| kulve | bilboed: I think the gst core is pretty up-to-date? And you can install plugins easily there.. | 14:11 |
| kulve | bilboed: I compiled ogg, vorbis and theora plugins and libs there.. | 14:11 |
| kulve | could those be used as the container? | 14:11 |
| bilboed | kulve, lots of bugfixes since those :) | 14:11 |
| bilboed | kulve, is there an oggmuxer (gst-inspect oggmux) ? | 14:11 |
| kulve | hmm.. I need to boot to my dev fs. Just a sec | 14:12 |
| bilboed | kulve, you could cross-compile one easily | 14:12 |
| bilboed | kulve, although oggmux doesn't support mpeg4 | 14:12 |
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| bilboed | kulve, so you might want to try installing the avimuxer | 14:12 |
| kulve | bilboed: first I would like to get the raw video on the disk, then perform some measurements on encoding/decoding theora | 14:13 |
| bilboed | kulve, if you don't put the video in container, you won't be able to play it back | 14:14 |
| fish_ | weird... it seams that if then nokia 770 is plugged on the power supply and you choose 'switch off' it doesnt really switch off.. if you switch it on again it has still some temporarly settings in the ram or something | 14:14 |
| kulve | bilboed: but could the ogg be used as the container (ogg was the container, right?)? | 14:14 |
| fish_ | i had kismet running and the wifi interface doesnt come up properly so i tried to 'reboot' the device | 14:15 |
| fish_ | but it didnt work until i remove the power supply | 14:15 |
| bilboed | kulve, only if the oggmuxer knows how to packetize that format | 14:15 |
| bilboed | kulve, and AFAIK, ogg can only contain theora, vorbis, speex and dirac | 14:15 |
| kulve | fish_: you have charger connected? | 14:15 |
| kulve | if so, it doesn boot really. Just shuts down the apps | 14:15 |
| fish_ | yes, thats what i mean | 14:16 |
| zeno_ | Hi! I want to install osso-xterm mh19 on my nokia 770 manually, but there are libs missing. Could someone helpme with that ? | 14:16 |
| fish_ | i rebooted it w/o the charger and it works | 14:16 |
| tigert | zeno_: add the repository? | 14:17 |
| kulve | bilboed: yup, I have the oggmux, and yup, it supports only those you listed.. | 14:17 |
| tigert | zeno_: it depends on a bunch of packages | 14:17 |
| kulve | fish_: you can try to set it to offline mode and back to normal instead of bootin | 14:17 |
| tigert | zeno_: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 14:17 |
| tigert | zeno_: the packages are listed there on the end of the page if you want to install manually | 14:17 |
| zeno_ | id depends on ncurses 5.5-1, but the version http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/ is nmot compatible | 14:18 |
| tigert | oh | 14:18 |
| tigert | hm | 14:18 |
| tigert | compatible with what? | 14:18 |
| tigert | application installer? | 14:18 |
| zeno_ | i have no internet for my device now | 14:18 |
| kulve | bilboed: any ideas how I could test encoding raw video from mmc to /dev/null using theora and gst-launch? | 14:18 |
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| tigert | zeno_: "Then enable red-pill mode in application manager and install the packages with Package -> Install from file... in the same order as above." | 14:18 |
| bilboed | kulve, mmc ? | 14:19 |
| tigert | zeno_: you enabled red-pill mode? | 14:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: do you want to encode video on the device ? | 14:19 |
| kulve | bilboed: I want to save a raw video (with headers) to mmc and then encode it taking time | 14:19 |
| zeno_ | @tigert ist says the ncurses there is just not compatible, if i try to install it. i can install the regural osso-xterm | 14:19 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: yup, on the device | 14:19 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: for performance tests | 14:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | hhmm | 14:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe....... | 14:20 |
| tigert | zeno_: did you enable red-pill mode? | 14:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | tell me about your results after you get them, plz =) | 14:20 |
| bilboed | kulve, you're still not getting it. You can NOT save raw video without putting it in a container format | 14:20 |
| tigert | zeno_: in normal mode it says all non-user packages are "not compatible" - ncurses is a library | 14:20 |
| kulve | bilboed: yeah, you said that already ;) But isn't there any container for non-encoded video? | 14:21 |
| tigert | zeno_: redpill mode is a hack to make application installer see all packages | 14:21 |
| zeno_ | i just clicked at the package in the file manager | 14:21 |
| bilboed | kulve, yes, avi or quicktime | 14:21 |
| tigert | zeno_: yes, you need to enable red pill mode | 14:21 |
| keesj | ååwñ | 14:21 |
| bilboed | kulve, so try installing avi | 14:21 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: I will blog it :) | 14:21 |
| zeno_ | ah, perhaps i try this :) | 14:21 |
| tigert | zeno_: see the link on the maemo hackers page | 14:21 |
| bilboed | kulve, or use, at your own risk, the quicktime ffmpeg muxer | 14:21 |
| bilboed | kulve, emphasis on "at your own risk" | 14:21 |
| zeno_ | ok, thank you very much i try this | 14:21 |
| kulve | bilboed: avi sounds better :) | 14:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | great... | 14:22 |
| tigert | zeno_: that should help :) | 14:22 |
| tigert | the app installer is meant to show just "end user applications" and hide all dependencies like libraries etc | 14:23 |
| kulve | bilboed: | 14:23 |
| kulve | Plugin Details: Name: avi Description: AVI stream handling | 14:23 |
| kulve | nice paste again. | 14:23 |
| jmspeex | bilboed: Ogg can also contain FLAC, PCM, RGB/YUV, MNG... and of course anything else you define a spec for | 14:23 |
| kulve | anyway, I have that on the device | 14:23 |
| bilboed | jmspeex, the ogg muxer does not allow those types currently | 14:23 |
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| bilboed | jmspeex, but patches are welcome | 14:24 |
| bilboed | kulve, that's the demuxer, not the muxer | 14:24 |
| kulve | avidemux: Avi demuxer | 14:24 |
| kulve | avimux: Avi muxer | 14:24 |
| bilboed | aaah, then go ahead | 14:24 |
| jmspeex | bilboed: You mean Ogg of whatever Ogg implementation you've got? | 14:24 |
| bilboed | kulve, do a gst-inspect avimux, to be sure it accepts raw video | 14:25 |
| bilboed | jmspeex, I'm talking about the gstreamer oggmux elemen | 14:25 |
| bilboed | t | 14:25 |
| jmspeex | OK | 14:25 |
| kulve | video/x-raw-yuv | 14:25 |
| bilboed | kulve, then go ahead | 14:25 |
| keesj | what is a nice mini debian based distro? | 14:26 |
| bilboed | jmspeex, in fact, oggmux also accepts flac and ogm audio/video (puke here) | 14:26 |
| bilboed | jmspeex, and cmml (annodex-relate stuff) | 14:27 |
| kulve | bilboed: hmm.. src capabilities: | 14:29 |
| kulve | video/x-msvideo | 14:29 |
| kulve | and I don't want audio at all.. | 14:29 |
| bilboed | kulve, ?? | 14:30 |
| bilboed | kulve, you can only connect one pad to it | 14:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | I would love a solution to stream ogg (theora+vorbis)... | 14:30 |
| bilboed | MoRpHeUz, flumotion ? | 14:30 |
| tigert | zeno_: any success? | 14:30 |
| kulve | bilboed: this works(?): gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! "video/x-raw-yuv, width=352, height=288, framerate=10/1" ! filesink location= /media/mmc1/videos/record-352x288x10-yuv.avi | 14:30 |
| kulve | this doesnt: gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! "video/x-raw-yuv, width=352, height=288, framerate=10/1" ! avimux ! filesink location= /media/mmc1/videos/record-352x288x10-yuv.avi | 14:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | bilboed: but it can encode in real time ? I have an mpeg4 movie and then want to transcode and stream... | 14:31 |
| bilboed | kulve, what's the error ? | 14:31 |
| kulve | ERROR: Pipeline doesn't want to pause. | 14:31 |
| kulve | ERROR: from element /pipeline0/v4l2src0: Could not negotiate format | 14:31 |
| bilboed | MoRpHeUz, on a desktop computer, yes. On the n800.... if you manage to overclock it yes :) | 14:31 |
| bilboed | kulve, remove the caps filter | 14:31 |
| bilboed | kulve, v4l2src ! avimux ! filesink | 14:31 |
| zeno_ | @tigert: i just installed it in red pillmode. thank you very much again, this was very helpful !!! next time i ask questions about porting apps :) cu | 14:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | bilboed: it's on a desktop hehe, I just want to stream to n800 | 14:32 |
| kulve | bilboed: same error | 14:32 |
| bilboed | MoRpHeUz, then yeah, you can do that | 14:32 |
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| MoRpHeUz | hhmm | 14:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | will try flumotion now... | 14:32 |
| kulve | bilboed: didn't even affect when I removed that one extra space in location parametrer ;) | 14:32 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: yeah, stream from dvb to n800 :) | 14:33 |
| timely | anyone alive? | 14:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: tha'ts great! =) | 14:33 |
| kulve | that should be possible and worked with vlc with 770 | 14:33 |
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| bilboed | kulve, hmmm.... should work | 14:34 |
| bilboed | kulve, unfortunately, the installed gstreamer doesn't have debuging, so it's going to be really hard to figure out the issue | 14:34 |
| bilboed | kulve, run the same command line with -v -t -m , and paste the result on pastebin.ca | 14:34 |
| bilboed | wow, I'm glad I bought this extra gig of ram. My computer's now responsive when compiling c++ :) | 14:35 |
| timely | bilboed: erm | 14:35 |
| timely | ever heard of nice? :) | 14:35 |
| bilboed | timeless, nice will not affect the fact that it's going to swap like a madman on the harddrive | 14:36 |
| kulve | bilboed: http://pastebin.ca/350404 | 14:36 |
| bilboed | this is weird | 14:36 |
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| sp3000 | wtfbbqcobol | 14:37 |
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| sp3000 | why is my device with no apps running going bright every 10 mins :) | 14:37 |
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| bilboed | stupid keyboard shortcuts | 14:37 |
| bilboed | kulve, try v4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv ! xvimageink | 14:37 |
| bilboed | kulve, try v4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv ! xvimagesink | 14:37 |
| kulve | -sh: try: not found | 14:38 |
| kulve | ;) | 14:38 |
| bilboed | tsss | 14:38 |
| kulve | bilboed: works | 14:38 |
| bilboed | can you run it with -v -m and paste the result on pastebin ? | 14:39 |
| kulve | http://pastebin.ca/350407 | 14:39 |
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| bilboed | kulve, ok, avimux doesn't accept raw yuv video in UYVY format | 14:41 |
| kulve | bilboed: gst-inspect-0.10 avimux: http://pastebin.ca/raw/350410 | 14:41 |
| bilboed | kulve, you need to convert it | 14:41 |
| bilboed | kulve, do you have ffmpegcolorspace | 14:41 |
| kulve | ok | 14:41 |
| bilboed | ? | 14:41 |
| kulve | gst-inspect-0.10 |grep ffmpegcolorspace | 14:42 |
| kulve | ffmpegcolorspace: ffmpegcolorspace: FFMPEG Colorspace converter | 14:42 |
| bilboed | then stick it before the muxer | 14:42 |
| bilboed | and you might want to reduce the width/height of the video | 14:42 |
| fish_ | is there a reason why "My device's name" != `hostname`? | 14:43 |
| kulve | bilboed: nice. At least totem plays the file on my desktop | 14:46 |
| bilboed | kulve, yeah | 14:46 |
| fish_ | can i turn the mouse cursor on somehow? | 14:46 |
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| kulve | fish_: ls /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/ | 14:47 |
| kulve | that has something to do with tit | 14:47 |
| kulve | it | 14:47 |
| fish_ | ah | 14:47 |
| fish_ | thanks | 14:47 |
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| bilboed | hmm.. the camera video quality is not bad... when there's enough light | 14:48 |
| kulve | bilboed: excellent. I can play it with in the device too :) | 14:48 |
| kulve | bilboed: true | 14:48 |
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| zuh | I played around with the noise reduction in the ffenc_mpeg4 plugin and it was "ok" then in low light too... | 14:50 |
| bilboed | grrr... they don't have the gdp elements installed | 14:50 |
| kulve | bilboed: thanks alot! | 14:50 |
| bilboed | why why why don't we have a repository with ALL the gstreamer elements | 14:50 |
| kulve | zuh: remember to contribute that info to malomo project, when the time comes :) | 14:50 |
| zuh | yeah, sure :) | 14:51 |
| kulve | bilboed: some of the gst-plugin sources even compiles quite a many of the plugins, but just leaves them out of the .deb .. | 14:51 |
| bilboed | yeah, it sucks | 14:51 |
| bilboed | wtf, there's a conflict with gstreamer0.10-plugins-base | 14:53 |
| bilboed | Conflicts: gstremer0.10-hantro (<< 0.20050831.5-2) | 14:53 |
| zuh | They also change the names... ;) | 14:53 |
| kulve | bilboed: that "saving to file" gst-launch takes <50% cpu time when saving to /dev/null with that 352x288 resolution | 14:53 |
| bilboed | kulve, yeah, it's mostly ffmpegcolorspace taking up all cpu | 14:54 |
| bilboed | kulve, for fun, you can add audio recording :) | 14:54 |
| kulve | zuh: have you tried replacing the whole gst on the device? Does the nokia-version include some mandatory patches to get the dsp-stuff working? Besides the plugins.. | 14:54 |
| bilboed | kulve, just don't forget to put queues before the muxer if you do so | 14:54 |
| kulve | bilboed: decoding ogg is another performance test I'm going to do | 14:55 |
| bilboed | kulve, you mean either vorbis or theora, because ogg is not a codec | 14:55 |
| kulve | bilboed: ah, sorry. I'm just starting to learn that .ogg is just (in my case) a vorbis encoded audio :) | 14:56 |
| bilboed | same mistake people do with .avi or .mov | 14:56 |
| kulve | decoding vorbis, encoding/decoding(?) theora. Both with stock optimizations and with armv6+vfp stuff | 14:56 |
| bilboed | I don't know if libvorbis/libtheora have armv6 and/or vfp optimizations | 14:57 |
| kulve | not manually, but I've compiled those with the parameters to gcc | 14:57 |
| kulve | actaully I think threora had some vfp stuff | 14:57 |
| zuh | kulve: no, just built the plugins | 14:57 |
| bilboed | kulve, right, those are not optimizations | 14:58 |
| bilboed | coffeepotsrc ! bilboedcupsink | 14:58 |
| kulve | bbiam | 14:58 |
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| Toma- | has anyone got a nokia770 theme for Xoo? | 15:01 |
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| Toma- | and can you run the VNC viewer at fullscreen? | 15:02 |
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| fish_ | why does i have to open the xterm for having the dropbear server come up? | 15:09 |
| kulve | because of too low entropy I would guess | 15:10 |
| fish_ | ah.. thats possible... | 15:10 |
| kulve | that can be workarounded by linking urandom to random (or was it vice versa), but udev would overwrite that on next boot.. | 15:11 |
| fish_ | and it would suck from security point of view.. | 15:11 |
| kulve | yeah, but now sure how severe issue that would be.. | 15:12 |
| kulve | s,now,not, | 15:12 |
| bilboed | anybody interested in making this app work on the n800 ? http://davyd.livejournal.com/207738.html | 15:12 |
| bilboed | that would be one hell of a killer app | 15:12 |
| fish_ | however, synergy works nice on maemo =) | 15:12 |
| fish_ | just tried that | 15:13 |
| fish_ | well.. not that nice i see.. if i press return it triggers the virtual keyboard.. | 15:13 |
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| MoRpHeUz | bilboed: no succes running flumotion on ubuntu =\ | 15:25 |
| bilboed | MoRpHeUz, even with the admin ? | 15:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | bilboed: that's the problem, when admin tries to connect I get an error on the manager and everything stops.. | 15:26 |
| fish_ | http://freigeist.org/content/Maemo/Synergy/ <- it works.. but when i press return it opens the virtual keyboard.. any ideas how to work around that? | 15:26 |
| bilboed | MoRpHeUz, did you start the manager ? | 15:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | yeah... | 15:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | also the worker | 15:27 |
| bilboed | MoRpHeUz, weird | 15:27 |
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| fish_ | cool, that AutoScan looks nice =) | 15:34 |
| maddler | fish_: yes... :) | 15:46 |
| c0ffee | hum | 15:49 |
| c0ffee | badsig error for catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com | 15:50 |
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| kulve | time gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=record-352x288x10-yuv.avi ! avidemux ! theoraenc bitrate=128 quality=16 quick=true ! oggmux ! filesink location=record-352x288x10-yuv.ogg | 15:53 |
| kulve | it takes 1min23sec to encode a 18sec raw video from the camera | 15:53 |
| kulve | without vfp | 15:54 |
| zuh | That's not exactly surprising I guess :) | 15:54 |
| kulve | nope | 15:54 |
| kulve | it took >8min with quick=false | 15:54 |
| kulve | but the quality is very good comparing to the original | 15:54 |
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| kulve | but the video is just slow panning to the right. That probably affects the quality quite a much | 15:55 |
| fish_ | maddler: but it bind *:4555 | 15:58 |
| fish_ | +s | 15:58 |
| fish_ | and btw: whats port 1025/udp? | 16:00 |
| kulve | grep -c 1025 /etc/services | 16:01 |
| kulve | 0 | 16:01 |
| kulve | nothing official..? | 16:01 |
| fish_ | kulve: well, its open on my 770 | 16:01 |
| maddler | fish_: yep... port 6000 is listening as well... | 16:01 |
| fish_ | maddler: ? not on my 770.. | 16:03 |
| kjetilho | port 6000 is X | 16:10 |
| fish_ | but its not open here | 16:10 |
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| Guardian | :( how come thunderbird eats 400mb of memory on my workstation :( | 16:11 |
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| kulve | Guardian: virtual? | 16:12 |
| kulve | 200m here | 16:12 |
| fish_ | Guardian: well.. looks like an mozilla app :P | 16:13 |
| maemokid | hi | 16:13 |
| maemokid | anyone using xmame on his 770/n800? | 16:15 |
| kulve | maemokid: I tried, but I didn't find suitable roms | 16:18 |
| maemokid | well i found at least one, pengupop | 16:19 |
| maemokid | but i wonder if the hardware keys are really useful... | 16:20 |
| Guardian | kulve: seems 150 physical, remaining in virtual mem | 16:21 |
| kulve | the hw keys of n800/770 are a bit lousy for gaming.. | 16:21 |
| maemokid | yes... they are not made for gaming... an alternative would be a bluetooth kb | 16:21 |
| Guardian | fish_: yeah ... somehow xul is nice but it's damn too hungry... | 16:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | bilboed: flumotion is only able to stream live content ? If I want to stream a file that is on the disk, it's not possible ? | 16:23 |
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| fish_ | did someone tried to contact google for a permission to use the google maps graphics? | 16:29 |
| kulve | I would guess, they don't give permission for that.. | 16:30 |
| maemokid | well, why do you need a permission? | 16:30 |
| kulve | because it would be illegal otherwise ;) | 16:30 |
| kulve | (I think) | 16:30 |
| fish_ | kulve: maybe they would if they had a possibility to place localized adds on it | 16:30 |
| fish_ | maemokid: because it would be nice to use apps like maemo-mapper "legal" | 16:31 |
| kulve | well, maybe, but that would be quite a process.. | 16:31 |
| kjetilho | fish_: there's an API for using Google Maps on-line | 16:31 |
| kjetilho | off-line usage is probably out of the question | 16:31 |
| maemokid | hmmmm well given the cooperation between google and nokia (google talk) I dont think google has a problem with it | 16:32 |
| maemokid | i use virtual earth anyway ;) | 16:32 |
| kjetilho | anyone can get a license to use the API, just register | 16:32 |
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| MoRpHeUz | the bluetooth gps that nokia sells is good outside usa and europe ? | 16:33 |
| fish_ | kjetilho: yes, but that covers only the use of the google maps javascript/ajax api | 16:33 |
| kjetilho | yes | 16:33 |
| kjetilho | what do you need? | 16:33 |
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| fish_ | kjetilho: it would be nice to have a legal integration of google maps in maemo-mapper | 17:09 |
| kjetilho | I have no idea how maemo-mapper works | 17:09 |
| fish_ | i'm pretty sure its not javascript | 17:09 |
| matt_c | it is almost certainly in violation of the google maps terms of service. | 17:10 |
| kjetilho | that doesn't matter | 17:10 |
| kjetilho | the API is an API, it isn't locked to a specific language | 17:10 |
| kjetilho | storing maps persistently, or scrubbing off the Google Maps watermark -- that would be a violation | 17:11 |
| matt_c | Yahoo actually has an API for retrieving tiles, so even if google takes action against maemo-mapper one could probably rewrite it to use yahoo | 17:11 |
| matt_c | kjetilho: I don't think the tile retriving bit is part of the official google API | 17:11 |
| kjetilho | matt_c: eh, how could the API be any different? | 17:11 |
| kjetilho | I have a simple free GPS util for Symbian which uses Google Maps | 17:12 |
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| matt_c | kjetilho: that is also almost certainly in violation of google's terms of service. | 17:12 |
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| matt_c | they're both useful but hopefully under the radar enough to not be noticed. | 17:13 |
| kjetilho | matt_c: why don't you read the terms rather than spread FUD | 17:13 |
| matt_c | kjetilho: it's been awhile since I've read them in detail, so they might have changed. | 17:14 |
| kjetilho | hmm, "There is a limit of 50,000 geocode requests per day per Maps API key" | 17:16 |
| kjetilho | that would be a bottleneck very quickly ... | 17:16 |
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| fish_ | "# | 17:24 |
| fish_ | 1.1 Description of Service. The API consists of Javascript that allows You to display Google map images on your website, subject to the limitations and conditions described below. The API is limited to allowing You to display map images only, and does not provide You with the ability to access the underlying map data, any services provided by Google in connection with its maps service (such as local search or directions), or any other Google service." | 17:24 |
| maemokid | hum | 17:24 |
| fish_ | and thats not hard to find: http://www.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html | 17:25 |
| maemokid | if google would like to avoid that progs like maemo mapper access the data, they could easily stop it by not showing the map data in the url | 17:25 |
| fish_ | maemokid: and how should the javascript access that data? | 17:26 |
| kjetilho | the JavaScript could be rewritten to do the correct HTTP calls. | 17:26 |
| maemokid | thanks kjetilho | 17:26 |
| kjetilho | but the restriction on traffic makes it unworkable without an enterprise license | 17:26 |
| fish_ | kjetilho: eh, and whats a 'correct http call'? | 17:27 |
| kjetilho | a request which contains the parameters needed to fetch the right tile | 17:27 |
| fish_ | kjetilho: and how should that stop abuse? | 17:28 |
| kjetilho | ? | 17:28 |
| maemokid | well maemo mapper uses the url format of longitude/latitude | 17:28 |
| fish_ | well, how should that avoid that maemo mapper access the data? | 17:28 |
| maemokid | if this data is encrypted for example | 17:29 |
| fish_ | maemokid: and how should it be decrypted in the legal use of it? | 17:29 |
| fish_ | would be pretty stupid so encrypt data at the server and decrypt it with client side javascript | 17:30 |
| maemokid | dont know, i am not into java ;) | 17:30 |
| kjetilho | fish_: Google can't control what software uses a given API key | 17:30 |
| maemokid | anyway, maemo mapper is a great tool and i dont think google has a problem with it | 17:30 |
| fish_ | kjetilho: they can't control but they can prohibit it with they terms of use | 17:30 |
| maemokid | given the number of people having maemo mapper installed | 17:31 |
| fish_ | but it still sucks to do it if its not legal | 17:31 |
| maemokid | so you don´t use it? | 17:32 |
| fish_ | no, i use it | 17:32 |
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| fish_ | but thats not the point, the point is that maemo is a very nice free software platform and it would be very nice to have a permission to use the map data legaly | 17:33 |
| maemokid | well if you ask google for permission they would certainly deny... i think they would get a problem with naviteq, the provider of the maps | 17:33 |
| saerdnaer | hi | 17:34 |
| fish_ | yes, thats possible | 17:34 |
| saerdnaer | is there a way to get debug messages from the rss feed reader? | 17:34 |
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| maemokid | i would also prefer to run maemo mapper without officially, but.... | 17:34 |
| fish_ | maemokid: it must be possible to place adds or something on the maemo mapper maps, like it would be possible to do that with google maps | 17:35 |
| maemokid | -without | 17:35 |
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| melmoth | Any idea how to be able to scroll a gtk scrolledWindow with the 'plastic pen' as in opera, and not with the elevator ? | 17:35 |
| maemokid | maybe the number of users is to small anyway... | 17:35 |
| fish_ | google is a "big fan" of oss | 17:36 |
| saerdnaer | fish_: was this an answer to my or maemokid's question? | 17:36 |
| maemokid | to mine ;) | 17:36 |
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| kjetilho | saerdnaer: I'm afraid you're being ignored :) | 17:36 |
| saerdnaer | ;-) | 17:37 |
| kjetilho | saerdnaer: you can log in from a PC using ssh and run applications manually | 17:37 |
| maemokid | i can´t answer saerdnaer, i am not into linux | 17:37 |
| kjetilho | I use that to debug gpodder | 17:37 |
| saerdnaer | how can i run it manually? | 17:37 |
| maemokid | xterm? | 17:38 |
| saerdnaer | which command? | 17:38 |
| kjetilho | well, the RSS reader is an applet, so not too sure | 17:38 |
| saerdnaer | i tried to run it via :/osso_rssfeedreader or so, but this hadn't worked | 17:39 |
| kjetilho | looks like /usr/bin/osso_rss_feed_reader | 17:39 |
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| saerdnaer | this is what i already have tried, but this doesn't work as desciribed above | 17:39 |
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| maemokid | anyone using a bt gamingpad already? | 17:45 |
| fish_ | btw: is it possible to display an image from the command line? image-viewer image.jpg doesnt seem to work.. | 17:47 |
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| kulve | fish_: osso_mime_open | 17:55 |
| kulve | you need to make a 10 line c-program to use it from cmd line, but it would be only 10.. :) | 17:56 |
| ocnarfid8 | Is it just me or does the clock tell you the wrong day? | 17:57 |
| ocnarfid8 | Its 02/11/07 right? It tells me its Friday. | 17:57 |
| ocnarfid8 | (N800) | 17:57 |
| melmoth | 11/02/07 may be ? | 17:57 |
| kjetilho | ocnarfid8: it's 2007-02-11 today | 17:58 |
| kjetilho | it's impossible to tell which date you think it is :) | 17:58 |
| Fatal | got to love ??/??/?? notation | 17:58 |
| ocnarfid8 | wait a sec. was set to English (UK) | 17:59 |
| ocnarfid8 | maybe that is it. | 17:59 |
| Fatal | I have to use random dates at work since our head office is nowadays in the states :/ | 17:59 |
| ocnarfid8 | jeez i need coffee. | 18:01 |
| ocnarfid8 | i'm loosing it US order of the date. | 18:01 |
| ocnarfid8 | 02/11/2007 is correct. :) | 18:01 |
| Fatal | o_O mm/dd/yyyy ? jikes | 18:02 |
| maemokid | thats the US format isn´t it? | 18:02 |
| ocnarfid8 | i don't know anymore. :) but it seems to show the correct day now, yes./ | 18:02 |
| Fatal | US format is mm/dd/yy | 18:03 |
| Fatal | (*cringe*) | 18:03 |
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| roope | time formats. :) There was a nice discussion about that some weeks ago in the mailing list. | 18:16 |
| roope | If it would have been simple to implement, it would have been there. | 18:17 |
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| matt_c | yes, because RFC822 is so much nicer... | 18:25 |
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| saerdnaer | kjetilho: is there a howto for installing gpodder? | 18:32 |
| kjetilho | saerdnaer: no idea. it isn't quite working for me yet :) | 18:33 |
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| saerdnaer | i already thought aboout extending the new reader to download exclosurs | 18:33 |
| kjetilho | but I installed the prerequisites with apt-get install, then allowed the Application manager to deal with the gpodder deb itself | 18:33 |
| saerdnaer | so is there a .deb for install? | 18:34 |
| kjetilho | yes, at garage.maemo.org | 18:34 |
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| ocnarfid8 | it doesn't start for me for some reason. | 18:38 |
| kjetilho | ocnarfid8: you're probably missing python2.5-xml | 18:39 |
| kjetilho | and/or python2.5-osso | 18:39 |
| ocnarfid8 | kjetilho: thanks let me check | 18:39 |
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| ocnarfid8 | sweet, that did the trick, thanks kjetilho | 18:41 |
| pbrook | Grrrr, more binary packages where the source doesn't match :-( | 18:42 |
| koen | that's nokia for you | 18:43 |
| pbrook | And missing build-depends. | 18:43 |
| koen | "fixing that won't happen overnight" | 18:43 |
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| koen | that's the official statement the past year(s) | 18:43 |
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| * pbrook writes a letter to the legal department. | 18:44 | |
| pbrook | Incorrect source versions is very annoying, but a believable oversight. Missing build-depends is just unacceptable. | 18:45 |
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| suihkulokki | pbrook: which build dependencies are missing? | 18:46 |
| pbrook | osso-dsp-headers-rx-34 (>= 2006.40.1) | 18:46 |
| pbrook | For gst-plugins-dsp0.10 | 18:46 |
| suihkulokki | oh. the dsp stuff continues to suck. | 18:48 |
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| suihkulokki | pbrook: gst-plugins-dsp0.10 is (c) Nokia, legal isn't going to get you far. try asking the guy whose copyright is in the sources | 18:58 |
| matt_c | hmm mime-support doesn't seem to want to configure on the N800 | 19:00 |
| kjetilho | ocnarfid8: does playing the podcasts work for you? | 19:09 |
| ocnarfid8 | haven't tried yet, was going to jump down to the cafe and play with it. | 19:10 |
| kjetilho | it tries to do an RPC call to launch the audio player with it, but nothing happens here | 19:10 |
| kjetilho | I don't know how that RPC thingy should work | 19:11 |
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| ocnarfid8 | hm. downlaoded one podcast but it doesn'tshow up under downloaded. | 19:19 |
| kjetilho | try to restart gpodder ... | 19:19 |
| kjetilho | it needs a little "polish" :) | 19:20 |
| ocnarfid8 | was just going to say that heh | 19:20 |
| ocnarfid8 | Plays OK for me. | 19:21 |
| kjetilho | bummer. you've got an n800, right? I'm on 770 | 19:22 |
| ocnarfid8 | yup | 19:22 |
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| matt_c | kjetilho: have you tried the gpodder release from a day or two ago? | 19:24 |
| gnuite | How do I build the same code into (unique) debian packages for maemo2 and maemo3? If I just build them separately, they'll have the same filename because they technically use the same architecture string (armel)... | 19:25 |
| kjetilho | matt_c: yes | 19:25 |
| Guardian | good question i definitely want to know the answer :) | 19:25 |
| pbrook | gnuite: Use different version suffixes. | 19:26 |
| matt_c | gnuite: I'm still learning a lot about creating debs, maybe set those up as different architectures? | 19:26 |
| gnuite | pbrook: you mean -1 and -2, right? | 19:26 |
| kjetilho | matt_c: I run the RPC call manually in Python, and get no feedback. | 19:26 |
| gnuite | pbrook: doesn't that change the code, then? Or, I guess, the configure.ac file? | 19:27 |
| pbrook | I mean eg. -1bora and -1minstral. | 19:27 |
| pbrook | Assuming you're already using -1/-2 for normal revisions. | 19:28 |
| gnuite | pbrook: does -1bora have priority over -1minstral, if someone has both repositories set up? | 19:28 |
| fish_ | btw: are there some nice helpers for creating .deb packages? i "ported" a few small apps and i was everytime to lazy to write those debian/control, debian/rules.. files | 19:28 |
| pbrook | Dunno. | 19:28 |
| matt_c | kjetilho: whatver gpodder is doing to launch the media player works on the 800 but not the 770 (I'm guessing) | 19:28 |
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| kjetilho | should this work? | 19:28 |
| kjetilho | dbus-send /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:file:///media/mmc1/some-audio-file | 19:29 |
| matt_c | fish_: dh_make | 19:29 |
| pbrook | gnuite: "don't do that" would be my advice ;-) | 19:29 |
| gnuite | pbrook: In any case, that _would_ require changing code, right? Or can I specify that in the configure line (rules)? | 19:29 |
| gnuite | pbrook: so what's the right answer, then? Abandon mistral and just build for bora? (No) Create separate codelines for mistral and bora, even though the C code is the same? | 19:30 |
| gnuite | There has to be a better way... | 19:30 |
| matt_c | I feel like targets in a makefile would suffice | 19:30 |
| kjetilho | gnuite: I think "don't do that" is don't set up both "mistral" and "bora" on your tablet. | 19:30 |
| zuh | gnuite: Just the .deb version? It's taken from the changelog file, so you'd need to do two build runs anyway... | 19:30 |
| pbrook | what zuh said. | 19:31 |
| fish_ | matt_c: ah | 19:31 |
| fish_ | matt_c: that looks good | 19:31 |
| gnuite | kjetilho: ahh, yes... good advice, but in the midterm, while there are still so few apps built for bora, the mistral repos are needed for many things | 19:31 |
| matt_c | fish_: yeah, that got me started anyway. | 19:32 |
| pbrook | checkout source; run script (included in svn) that adds apropriate bits to changelog; build. | 19:32 |
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| pbrook | You may be able to add magic to the rules file to do this without manual intervention, I'm not sure. | 19:32 |
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| kjetilho | does dbus log anywhere? | 19:34 |
| kulve | kjetilho: there's dbus-monitor to monitor dbus stuff | 19:35 |
| kjetilho | aha, thanks. hmm -- I guess it's a design choice that messages can be ignored by all dbus users | 19:37 |
| kjetilho | without any feedback? | 19:37 |
| kjetilho | hey, running that while clicking around is very interesting :-) | 19:38 |
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| kulve | kjetilho: yaeh, there are a lot of interesting messages from e.g. lower levels.. | 19:40 |
| kjetilho | can I browse the interfaces somehow? | 19:41 |
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| kulve | that should hear all messages I think? Maybe you could set some filters, if you don't want to see them all | 19:42 |
| kulve | zuh: might know more about that | 19:42 |
| kjetilho | kulve: yeah, but I want to look for other possible messages | 19:42 |
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| kulve | kjetilho: is there any other messages..? | 19:43 |
| kjetilho | yes, messages which aren't currently used by the system :) | 19:44 |
| kulve | oh | 19:44 |
| kulve | dunno if you can know those beforehand.. | 19:44 |
| kulve | listening all gconf-changes could also reveal something.. | 19:45 |
| kjetilho | I'm trying to find the right RPC or dbus call to launch an MP3 file. | 19:45 |
| kjetilho | in OS2007 it is com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open | 19:46 |
| kulve | I once made a little c-program that just passed the argv[1] to osso_mime_open | 19:47 |
| kulve | passes | 19:47 |
| kulve | then you can open any registered mime type with registerd app | 19:47 |
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| kjetilho | hmm, that should be somewhere in the python-osso module, shouldn't it? | 19:49 |
| fish_ | kulve: seams that i'm to stupid for 10 lines c :/ i didn't even know what to include and how to compile it.. | 19:49 |
| kulve | /usr/include] > grep osso_mime_open * | 19:50 |
| kulve | osso-mime.h:gint osso_mime_open_file (DBusConnection *con, | 19:50 |
| fish_ | yes, i tried that.. | 19:50 |
| fish_ | /usr/include/osso-mime.h:26:19: glib.h: No such file or directory | 19:51 |
| fish_ | and so on... ;) | 19:51 |
| fish_ | maybe its just because i have a very old sdk | 19:51 |
| kulve | compile flags: | 19:51 |
| kulve | pkg-config --cflags --libs libossomime | 19:51 |
| kulve | and I think you can get the required dbus-connection from osso (after osso_initialize) with: gpointer osso_get_dbus_connection(osso_context_t *osso); | 19:52 |
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| kulve | should work with pretty old sdk too | 19:53 |
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| kulve | fish_: if you don't use autotools, you can pass those compile flags to gcc with just `pkg-config --cflags --libs libossomime` | 19:54 |
| fish_ | do i need a dbus-connection? | 19:54 |
| kulve | yes | 19:54 |
| fish_ | okay | 19:54 |
| kulve | at least according to the API :) | 19:54 |
| kulve | all maemo apps does the osso_initialize in the beginning, so you can copy it from there | 19:55 |
| kulve | and since you need to use the libosso too, you need the pkgconfig thing for libosso too | 19:58 |
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| kjetilho | hrm, the maemo LXR can't find osso_mime_open at all | 20:06 |
| tko | LXR might be completely out of date | 20:09 |
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| kjetilho | looks like search never returns anything at all | 20:11 |
| fish_ | osso = osso_get_dbus_connection(osso_initialize("osso_open_app", "0.0.1", 0, NULL)); | 20:12 |
| fish_ | return(!osso_mime_open_file(osso,gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path(argv[1]))); | 20:12 |
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| fish_ | that starts the image viewer if i give it a image but the image viewer doesnt show that images.. | 20:13 |
| fish_ | ah | 20:13 |
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| kjetilho | so have all the hackers moved on to 770 now? | 20:15 |
| kjetilho | eh, n800 of course :) | 20:15 |
| kulve | fish_: what if you call it twice? | 20:16 |
| kulve | does it then always open it on the second by the latest and sometimes already on the first? | 20:17 |
| fish_ | kulve: ah | 20:17 |
| fish_ | that works =) | 20:17 |
| kulve | I doubt that's the correct behaviour ;) | 20:17 |
| kulve | I believe it should open it on the first.. | 20:17 |
| fish_ | when i call it the first time it just opens the image-viewer | 20:18 |
| kulve | fish_: but good that you get it working | 20:18 |
| kulve | fish_: how many times you tried? | 20:18 |
| fish_ | and when the image viewer is open and i call it again it opens it | 20:18 |
| kulve | try 10 times.. | 20:18 |
| kulve | closing the image viewer always after starting it.. | 20:18 |
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| fish_ | no, everytime its the same | 20:21 |
| fish_ | it just opens the image viewer with the first image in the image folder | 20:22 |
| fish_ | and not with that image i gave it | 20:22 |
| fish_ | but if the image viewer is still open it opens the specified image | 20:22 |
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| kulve | fish_: ok | 20:34 |
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| bedboi | hi | 20:36 |
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| maemokid | re | 20:40 |
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| sp3000 | gee, http://maemo.org/lxr/source/dbus/ is useful | 20:43 |
| robster | hhm | 20:51 |
| robster | how do i take a screenshot on on the n800 ? | 20:51 |
| tolgam | with a camera... | 20:51 |
| robster | tolgam: that's not the answer i was hoping for. | 20:51 |
| tolgam | but that's indeed a solution ;) | 20:52 |
| zuh | tolgam: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/17/maemo-screen-grabber/ | 20:53 |
| s-ndh-c | isnt there this applet that can do it? | 20:53 |
| s-ndh-c | h | 20:53 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast there is one for the n770 | 20:53 |
| zuh | I'm not sure if there's a n800 version of the applet... | 20:53 |
| s-ndh-c | can the n770 be used as bluetooth hid device? | 20:55 |
| s-ndh-c | i would like to control my media pc with it | 20:55 |
| s-ndh-c | i have seen simmilar functionality in a bunch of sonyericcson phones, and would like to have something like that on my n770 | 20:56 |
| sp3000 | @£²³¢"#¤ lack of text select mode in the browser | 20:58 |
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| zuh | double-tap-and-drag | 20:58 |
| zuh | (if you manage to activate it that is) | 20:59 |
| sp3000 | I know | 20:59 |
| sp3000 | it sucks goat nuts | 20:59 |
| zuh | It relies on pure luck to succeed though :) | 20:59 |
| tko | naw, skill | 20:59 |
| tko | :) | 20:59 |
| zuh | The chat view would have a more sensible one ;) but it's not on and not really possible to enable without the client code... :/ | 21:00 |
| zuh | I guess some ugly hack on the lib side would do it... | 21:00 |
| sp3000 | this one SE phone has a quite satisfactory ui for that -- corner menu, "select", drag | 21:03 |
| sp3000 | you probably fail to hit the exact place you want to start at ~twice, so that's 5 taps | 21:04 |
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| sp3000 | for N800, you probably fail to activate text select ~every other time | 21:04 |
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| sp3000 | so that's 6 taps already, even assuming the double tap doesn't decrease accuracy of the start point, which it does | 21:05 |
| sp3000 | and the other sombrero figures above are very generous, too | 21:06 |
| sp3000 | I'd say getting below the taps of the selectionmodeful ui even counting turning it off, in practice, takes superhuman kill or luck :) | 21:07 |
| sp3000 | </rant> | 21:09 |
| sp3000 | s/kill/skill/, too :) | 21:10 |
| lle2 | would somebody want to donate their pet project's source tarball for sb2 testing? | 21:11 |
| keesj | there is a mouse on my application manager | 21:12 |
| Fatal | theres cheese on my 770 | 21:12 |
| Fatal | want to swap? | 21:12 |
| lle2 | working debian packaging would be good | 21:12 |
| c0ffee | lle2, what about an arbitrary package from maemo? | 21:13 |
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| lle2 | c0ffee: well, that's so obvious, I'm kinda curious to see what actual non-nokia developers do | 21:14 |
| lle2 | maybe I'll look at the garage | 21:14 |
| c0ffee | i don't have software with a debian subdir, sorry | 21:14 |
| * lle2 doesn't really have any idea about app development for maemo | 21:14 | |
| keesj | does sb2 support .deb packaging then? | 21:15 |
| c0ffee | besides some that is based on maemopad and uses the same debian/ | 21:15 |
| lle2 | keesj: I don't no if it does ;) that's what I'd like to find out | 21:15 |
| lle2 | s/no/know | 21:15 |
| keesj | you could try to run mud and compile xmoto ! | 21:16 |
| lle2 | it's surprisingly difficult to download sources from maemo.org... | 21:16 |
| lle2 | keesj: I'd be thrilled with a simple url pointing to a .tar.gz containing the sources.. ;) | 21:17 |
| keesj | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/435/cosy-bookmarks_0.5.tar.gz | 21:17 |
| lle2 | thanks | 21:17 |
| Bipolar | Is anyone working on hildon bindings for Qt4? A google search brings up a few hits but nothing concrete. | 21:17 |
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| keesj | hildon bindings for qt4 , ? what would that be? | 21:18 |
| tko | errr... what? | 21:18 |
| lle2 | damn, I'm missing debhelper scripts on my gentoo x) | 21:19 |
| keesj | :) | 21:19 |
| Bipolar | To make qt based apps integrate better with the desktop. maybe I'm asking it wrong.... :p | 21:19 |
| keesj | lle2, I installed sb1 on DammSmallLinux yesterday , that was also quite hard | 21:20 |
| lle2 | haha | 21:20 |
| lle2 | what made it difficult? | 21:20 |
| keesj | because it's based on busybox | 21:20 |
| lle2 | I see | 21:20 |
| keesj | so for example the groups command does not work | 21:21 |
| lle2 | sb1 could add those little utils so it would become completely self-contained | 21:22 |
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| keesj | yes, there are only very few dependencies , python was also required for the login script | 21:22 |
| keesj | 2.3 worked | 21:23 |
| lle2 | at one point it did work just fine as a standalone distro inside UML | 21:23 |
| keesj | how to I install maemo-mapper on the n800? the .install does not work | 21:24 |
| lle2 | no idea | 21:24 |
| lle2 | I only play mahjong with the tablet | 21:24 |
| keesj | lle2, nice , I am trying something similar that is why I started with a small distro and have a cow fs running | 21:24 |
| maemokid | install it from the application manager | 21:24 |
| maemokid | keesj | 21:24 |
| keesj | lle2, I play mahjong together with my girlfriend with two styluses :p | 21:25 |
| keesj | maemokid, from what repository? | 21:26 |
| lle2 | keesj: that's the best use for the device I've heard of ;) | 21:26 |
| maemokid | good question ^^ | 21:27 |
| keesj | maemokid, can you type apt-cache policy maemo-mapper on the device? | 21:27 |
| maemokid | ok, mom | 21:28 |
| maemokid | http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free | 21:29 |
| keesj | hmm mistral :( | 21:30 |
| maemokid | i have a n800 | 21:30 |
| maemokid | and it works | 21:30 |
| maemokid | vers. 1.3.5 | 21:30 |
| keesj | yes I will try to compile it :) | 21:30 |
| maemokid | i simply installed it | 21:30 |
| keesj | I don't want to mix the repositories | 21:31 |
| maemokid | hmmm why not? could it cause problems? | 21:33 |
| keesj | lle2, but to be serious all packages in mud are source based and produce a .deb file it might be a good test case | 21:33 |
| lle2 | keesj: yup, eventually. Right now I'm still working out the basics. | 21:34 |
| keesj | because some package will end up in http://repository.maemo.org bora and the dependencies will mix | 21:34 |
| maemokid | also for other applications? | 21:35 |
| keesj | lle2, what would really be cool is if it can boostrap a debian build environment | 21:35 |
| keesj | maemokid, yes | 21:35 |
| maemokid | i see... | 21:36 |
| keesj | maemokid, specially since the package names are the same between the releases, I would at least remove the repo from the list | 21:37 |
| maemokid | ok, will do so | 21:37 |
| lle2 | keesj: sb2 is now stand-alone, no need for any sb1 foreign wrapper stuff. I've got the maemo rootstrap extracted to $HOME/buildroot and I'm using stock codesourcery arm-2006q3 toolchain | 21:37 |
| lle2 | keesj: only additional trick is to build a recent libtool inside sb2 with ./configure --prefix=$SBOX_TARGET_ROOT && make && make install | 21:38 |
| lle2 | but I've no idea if debian package creation works now. Will know that tomorrow. | 21:39 |
| lle2 | after I've gotten something built properly I'll post a sb2 based maemo sdk somewhere | 21:41 |
| kulve | lle2: svn export https://garage.maemo.org/svn/malomo && cd malomo && ./autogen.sh && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 21:44 |
| kulve | :) | 21:44 |
| lle2 | uhhuh. | 21:47 |
| keesj | Granite Bay, CA 95746., is that usa? | 21:52 |
| keesj | google was my friend sorry | 21:53 |
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| keesj | perhaps pointing my webbrowser to would have helped :( https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/736/maemo-mapper_1.3.5_armel.deb | 22:01 |
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| rhsanborn | Anyone know how to d/l and install new codecs for mplayer? | 22:02 |
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| keesj | no sorry | 22:11 |
| s-ndh-c | doesnt it come with all supported codecs? | 22:11 |
| rhsanborn | Perhaps...i'll try one of the win streams... | 22:13 |
| wwalker | where do I read to understand the different names (mistral bora, ...)? | 22:14 |
| keesj | wwalker, goto http://repository.maemo.org/stable/ and look for directories with the same time stamp, they are symlinks :P | 22:16 |
| s-ndh-c | mistral is the 2.x(os2006) sdk, bora is the 3.0(o2007) sdk | 22:16 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast that is what i think | 22:16 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:16 |
| keesj | s-ndh-c, nope , mistral = 2.0 sirocco 2.1 gregale 2.2? | 22:17 |
| s-ndh-c | ok | 22:17 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:17 |
| s-ndh-c | are the differences that big? | 22:17 |
| keesj | it2006 ~= 2.0 + 2.1 + 2.2 ?? | 22:17 |
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| s-ndh-c | i mean my os2006 second release image has mistral repo added | 22:17 |
| s-ndh-c | even the nokia ones | 22:18 |
| keesj | it only gets better :) but I am no expert. | 22:18 |
| wwalker | nmatrix9: keesj OK, that makes sense, I have IT 2006. can I only use mistral stuff? Can I upgrade to 2.1 or 2.2? | 22:18 |
| s-ndh-c | i think its like keesj said | 22:18 |
| s-ndh-c | mistral is the sdk for the first it2006 realse | 22:18 |
| s-ndh-c | scirocco for the second | 22:18 |
| s-ndh-c | and gregale is the newest that has just been released some weeks ago or so | 22:19 |
| wwalker | I just reinstalled my 770 from scratch. so I can use any package from any of those releases? | 22:19 |
| keesj | wwalker, I did not upgrade my system to gregale yet, but i done the upgrade using apt-get dist-upgrade + a few reboots | 22:19 |
| wwalker | so I just edit apt-sources and do an apt-get distupgrade? | 22:20 |
| keesj | wwalker, why not flash gregale? I think that os /bluetooth worked better in newer releases, | 22:20 |
| s-ndh-c | i dont think thats a good idea, as kernel and initfs are on different filesystem images | 22:20 |
| s-ndh-c | dont think you can update the kernel with dpkg | 22:20 |
| s-ndh-c | but maybe iam wrong | 22:21 |
| s-ndh-c | not sure if they changed the kernel at all | 22:21 |
| keesj | wwalker, I would really just create a backup and flash the device , that is the only officialy supported way | 22:21 |
| s-ndh-c | thats better than losing data and ending in a reboot loop or such and having to flash the device anyways | 22:22 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:22 |
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| s-ndh-c | does someone know if the sourcecode of the haf version used in the it2006 images is availiable? | 22:22 |
| keesj | haf? | 22:23 |
| wwalker | OK, _can_ one brick the device? or can I always power on with the HOME key pressed and USB flash the original Nokia firware in place? | 22:23 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean if its possible to download the exact same branch that has been used to in those images | 22:23 |
| s-ndh-c | hildon application framework | 22:23 |
| s-ndh-c | i only need libhildon-lgpl and hildon-libs sourcecode i guess | 22:23 |
| maddler | wwalker: as far as i know you cannot brick... | 22:24 |
| wwalker | maddler: thx, that makes experimentation much less scary | 22:24 |
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| maddler | wwalker: hehehe... yep... and after a while youll also become fast in restoring the device to its previous state... :D | 22:24 |
| wwalker | anyone disagree with maddler? Is there a way to brick the device? I've already flashed it, so I'm comfy with that simple process | 22:25 |
| s-ndh-c | if seen on this maemopeople blog someone uploaded the sourcecode for the 2007 image | 22:25 |
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| keesj | it's just like the old windows 95 days, play around and reinstall once in a while | 22:25 |
| s-ndh-c | but what about the old ones? | 22:25 |
| s-ndh-c | someone knows? | 22:25 |
| keesj | 2006 is on koen's blog | 22:26 |
| s-ndh-c | oh will look for that thx | 22:26 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:26 |
| jtra | keesj: hey, I see on google you ran in to "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 288: _dl_start_final: Assertion `info->l.l_tls_modid == 0' failed!" error, did you solve it? it is happening for me too | 22:27 |
| keesj | I think your kernel needs ??VSBO?? support | 22:28 |
| keesj | I installed onto a different machine | 22:28 |
| maddler | wwalker: I would only suggest to have your /home/user linked to /media/mmc1/user | 22:28 |
| maddler | this way you will keep settings and stuff... | 22:29 |
| c0ffee | VDSO | 22:29 |
| c0ffee | virtual dynamic shared object | 22:29 |
| jtra | I have changed my libvte tree a bit and now it refuse to compile | 22:29 |
| keesj | yes , the problem will alway recur on the same system at the same point but not with ever package :( | 22:30 |
| jtra | :-( | 22:30 |
| keesj | the my dsl based sdk if you have patience | 22:32 |
| s-ndh-c | maddler: is it possible to have all on the mmc? | 22:32 |
| keesj | 1.4 gig http://maemo.mmapps.net:81/ | 22:33 |
| maddler | s-ndh-c: yes... you can define where to boot from... using flasher or bootmenu package... | 22:33 |
| maddler | you could have a "stable" version on flash and a "testing" system booting from MMC | 22:34 |
| maddler | brb... | 22:36 |
| lle2 | kulve: that needs some gstreamer crap from some repository, right? | 22:36 |
| kulve | lle2: yep | 22:36 |
| kulve | hmm.. | 22:37 |
| lle2 | kulve: well, I don't have apt. | 22:37 |
| kulve | it should work with the rootstrap | 22:37 |
| lle2 | didn't | 22:37 |
| kulve | all needs something.. Like hildon.. | 22:37 |
| lle2 | I tried it with rootstrap | 22:37 |
| s-ndh-c | keesj: i dont see anything like that on this blog | 22:38 |
| kulve | lle2: hmm.. it shouldn't require anything special.. | 22:38 |
| keesj | google koen + maemo + source http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/ | 22:38 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:39 |
| s-ndh-c | thx | 22:39 |
| lle2 | kulve: gstinterfaces-0.10 | 22:42 |
| lle2 | kulve: hmm, but it's there, strange. | 22:43 |
| lle2 | kulve: my bug | 22:43 |
| jtra | hmm, build process deletes one .h file and truncates .c file when failing with that error, that is pretty bad | 22:43 |
| keesj | diskfull? | 22:43 |
| keesj | jtra, I am trying again my failing package | 22:44 |
| jtra | keesj: no, 1G free on / | 22:44 |
| jtra | I tried to reorginize automake source files, that was the thing which triggered the error | 22:45 |
| keesj | jtra, I rember now.. I it happens when using automake/autogen. I ended up running that outside of scratchbox and create a.tar.gz package with the code | 22:46 |
| lle2 | kulve: this is the traditional secondary library dependency linking problem | 22:46 |
| keesj | lle2, the one that requires to build 10.000 packages? | 22:47 |
| jtra | keesj: aha, the truncated .h and .c are actually generated during build process | 22:47 |
| lle2 | keesj: no :) | 22:47 |
| lle2 | keesj: the one that makes cross-ld not add secondary dependencies automatically | 22:48 |
| lle2 | keesj: you have to list them on the command line | 22:48 |
| lle2 | keesj: sb1 works around this, sb2 doesn't seem to :) | 22:48 |
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| keesj | I understand that debian does this by parsing the output of ldd | 22:49 |
| lle2 | yeah, but we need to do this when gcc is executed | 22:49 |
| lle2 | otherwise builds fail | 22:49 |
| keesj | just ignore me , I will be of no use to you :p | 22:50 |
| keesj | all I want i a working maemo-mapper so I can go on holiday next week | 22:50 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 22:50 |
| s-ndh-c | those sources on koen`s blog dont contain the hildon stuff | 22:51 |
| s-ndh-c | or iam just blind | 22:51 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:51 |
| s-ndh-c | anyways time to get some new smokes | 22:53 |
| s-ndh-c | brb | 22:53 |
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| rhsanborn | Is mplayer capable of playing ra or wmp streams? | 23:07 |
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| maddler | keesj: what's the problem with maemo mapper? | 23:11 |
| keesj | there is no repository for it, the dependencies in the source refer to a old sqlite | 23:16 |
| s-ndh-c | rhsanborn: it supports windows media stuff if you install the win32codecs package | 23:16 |
| keesj | I am no trying to compile it for bora , | 23:17 |
| s-ndh-c | not sure if that works on the n770 | 23:17 |
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| rhsanborn | I'll see if i can find that codecs pack | 23:19 |
| disq | hi everyone | 23:20 |
| disq | itt is funny today. "very fast sketch artist and a big whiteboard" to simulate tv-out on n800. heh | 23:25 |
| tigert | that codecs pack for sure wont work on the 770 | 23:26 |
| tigert | afaik it only works on x86 linux | 23:26 |
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| disq | anybody like the new media player on the n800 btw? | 23:28 |
| disq | i sure don't, the playlist feature is odd (or not working?) | 23:28 |
| roope | :) | 23:28 |
| roope | tigert: I installed the new skin. | 23:28 |
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| tigert | works? | 23:29 |
| roope | It's very nice. Personally I would like the active (and passive) focuses (foci?) to be less dark. They're currently quite dark, actually. | 23:29 |
| tigert | you mean the blue borders? | 23:30 |
| tigert | or what= | 23:30 |
| tigert | ? | 23:30 |
| roope | And then again, the grey bar on scroll bars to be slightly darker, it's a bit hard to see right now. | 23:30 |
| roope | Blue focus on list items. Like in task launcher or file manager. | 23:30 |
| tigert | yea, the scrollbar got a bit too light perhaps | 23:30 |
| tigert | I'll probably get back to the correct set, its kinda drifting to very light stuff now | 23:30 |
| tigert | oh right | 23:31 |
| roope | Iteration is good. :) | 23:31 |
| lle2 | kulve: built ok, packaging will be tested tomorrow | 23:31 |
| tigert | yea, I havent got into the focus stuff yet | 23:31 |
| tigert | roope: making it less "in your face" | 23:31 |
| roope | the thumb kb looks nice, I like it. | 23:31 |
| roope | Except well why the backspace is like that. :) | 23:31 |
| tigert | yea, we need to fix the layout some too - it'd be sweet if the keyboard background could be off-white | 23:31 |
| tigert | ie, the grid between keys | 23:31 |
| disq | which theme is that :) | 23:31 |
| tigert | but it looks bad since some keys are not quite flush to edge and the typing area is always white | 23:32 |
| tigert | disq: plankton | 23:32 |
| disq | sounds nice (though i really really love the default black theme, sans the insane gutters) | 23:32 |
| tigert | the gutters can be removed with a theme | 23:32 |
| tigert | thats on my todo list too, but feel free to hack it | 23:32 |
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| disq | nobody's working on it currently? then i will :) | 23:32 |
| tigert | I will | 23:32 |
| tigert | we want to reduce it at some point | 23:33 |
| disq | is konttori's tool still the recommended one? | 23:33 |
| tigert | that or hildon-theme-tools | 23:33 |
| tigert | but that requires scratchbox | 23:33 |
| disq | okay, will install that | 23:33 |
| tigert | we need to write some docs | 23:33 |
| suihkulokki | uiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiijiooooooooooooooooooooooooooofdddddddddddddddddccccccci | 23:33 |
| disq | have you had a chance to check out maemopad+ btw, getting better | 23:33 |
| tigert | not lately | 23:33 |
| suihkulokki | sorry | 23:33 |
| tigert | heh | 23:33 |
| disq | i added in pressure support the other day | 23:34 |
| tigert | suihkulokki: handwriting recognition testing? =) | 23:34 |
| tigert | disq: cool | 23:34 |
| suihkulokki | tigert: cat seeking attention | 23:34 |
| disq | though the gtk xinput implementation has some bugs, i stepped on a few of them (also some crashes on mistral, but i got around that) | 23:35 |
| tigert | suihkulokki: :) | 23:35 |
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| nomis | disq: I had a problem with it drawing stuff when I dragged the separator line around. Not sure if this is a current version though. | 23:35 |
| rhsanborn | Anyone know where i can get that win codec? | 23:36 |
| s-ndh-c | is there some way to get the progressbar out of a progressbarbanner? | 23:36 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean a reference to the progressbar that is used within the banner | 23:37 |
| tigert | rhsanborn: it pretty likely will not work in the 770 | 23:37 |
| rhsanborn | Using a 800 | 23:37 |
| tigert | well, neither on that one | 23:38 |
| suihkulokki | rhsanborn: why not just try the streams? | 23:38 |
| tigert | I think the win32 codecs depend on x86 cpu | 23:38 |
| rhsanborn | Pff. Bah | 23:38 |
| rhsanborn | suihkulokki, i've tried them...no go | 23:38 |
| Fatal | yes, silly isn't it. the 770/n800 should emulate x86 arch | 23:38 |
| Fatal | i mean, NES is emulatable, and wintendo runs on those simple little pic processors called x86 | 23:39 |
| pbrook | Fatal: It's Already doable with qemu. | 23:39 |
| Fatal | and that's roughly the same now isn't it? | 23:39 |
| disq | nomis: the older build had some crashes on on n800, if the stylus went out of bounds | 23:40 |
| disq | though dragging the seperator etc worked for me for a long time | 23:41 |
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| MDK | suihkulokki: http://www.bitboost.com/pawsense/ | 23:42 |
| nomis | disq: hmm, this is version 0.25 here, and it draws if I drag the bar to the right. Maybe not properly calibrated or something? | 23:43 |
| tigert | MDK: wow | 23:43 |
| MDK | it actually looks like something serious | 23:44 |
| disq | nomis: mmm i'll try right now | 23:44 |
| suihkulokki | funny ;) | 23:45 |
| disq | nomis: wow that's a funny bug | 23:45 |
| disq | totally gtk's fault though :) will try to get around it tonight | 23:46 |
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| s-ndh-c | MDK: is that hildon-1 branch fully functional? | 23:47 |
| s-ndh-c | or is it realy just some future thing | 23:47 |
| MDK | s-ndh-c: it's functional | 23:48 |
| MDK | at least, it was on friday ;) | 23:48 |
| s-ndh-c | MDK: how does one set an apptitle? | 23:48 |
| MDK | use gtk_window_set_title ? | 23:48 |
| MDK | *using | 23:48 |
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| s-ndh-c | MDK: yeah but it display <unknown>-Mytitle in the title bar | 23:49 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast with that c# binding alp build against that hildon-1 branch | 23:50 |
| MDK | hmmmmm | 23:50 |
| MDK | s-ndh-c: will check tomorrow. As I said, this is a work in progress. | 23:50 |
| s-ndh-c | MDK: ok | 23:50 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 23:50 |
| MDK | so things in "general should work" but those kind of little details might not | 23:50 |
| MDK | afaik it's something related to windowmanager integration | 23:50 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah i tried to do this banner example it in c#, it seems to work but i cant set the fraction on the progressbanner | 23:51 |
| s-ndh-c | but the rest works | 23:51 |
| s-ndh-c | but that might be something borked in the code gapi generates | 23:51 |
| disq | i hate hitting the wrong menuitem on my 770, because middle part the screen is now insensitive | 23:51 |
| disq | nomis: yep, related to gtk xinput extensions. doesn't happen on the 770 | 23:52 |
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| nomis | disq: ok. | 23:55 |
| Tak | I demand a maemo port of Pawsense | 23:55 |
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| Tak | only it should also detect squirrel, mouse, and roach typing | 23:58 |
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