IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-02-06

everaldogood solution, make more easy development00:00
MDKyet it hacks the apt db to make it look like you have perl installed00:00
everaldowe mus have same for Mono00:00
MDKperl seems to have a simple script which is run after devkit selection00:01
MDKwhich injects some crap into apt00:01
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lle2MDK: perl is not running outside sb as far as I know, it's running inside sb but from /scratchbox/something/or/the/other/perl00:01
alptko: a better reply: APIs with few entry points that do a lot are generally more suited for binding than APIs with lots of very simple entry points, where the value is mainly in the design and not the code (ipc is easy to do)00:01
everaldoMDK, sweet solution00:01
everaldoMDK, I can found it in scratchbox perl package?00:02
MDKlle2: yeah, I wasn't clear00:02
MDKlle2: I mean that it's not running using emulation00:02
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MDKperl in arm target runs natively on 38600:02
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MDKeveraldo: in the perl sbox devkit, yes00:03
ferencJaffa: here?00:03
everaldoMDK, good... I will take a look00:03
tkoalp, yeah, I can agree with that00:03
keesjferenc, did he mess up the upload again!00:04
tkoI'm not too happy about libosso myself, it's just weird in trying to abstract away dbus-isms, and yet exposing the concepts just with different names00:04
MDKyes, I agree00:04
ferenckeesj: well, i would not put it this way :)00:04
MDKeven if it's simpler in the end, the confusion might not be worth it00:05
ferenckeesj: there is 1 issue we have to fix00:05
valtsuferenc: hello00:05
keesjI would be great if we get this thing running!00:05
ferenchello valtsu :)00:05
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ferenckeesj: in order to send notifications you must give proper Maintainer addresses in the control files00:06
valtsuferenc: how's it going? hopefully well...00:06
ferenckeesj: without those you will never recieve mails about rejected packages00:06
ferencvaltsu: yes, everything is perfect, sort of. working remotely till April ;)00:06
ferenckeesj: so, you have to update all the packages00:06
keesjand those need a garage account , and a gpg?00:07
valtsuferenc: sounds fun :)00:07
ferenckeesj: and preferably use an email address that points to garage.maemo.org00:07
tkoferenc, I may be missing something, but would it be more safe to send notifications to the mail address registered to the uploader ?00:07
ferenckeesj: i would create a mailing list at mud-builder00:07
keesjwe have a mailing list ,00:07
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ferenctko: it is tricky to get the uploaders.00:08
ferenctko: easier to rely on the debian package itself00:08
keesjbut could all the packages be signed be a single "mud" key?00:08
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ferenckeesj: well, sure. if you can take care of the private key00:08
s-ndh-calp: thats all i got out of it
tkoferenc, I meant the garage user id of the uploader.. or the mail address from the signature00:09
ferenckeesj: there were again MD5 problems with the packages.00:09
ferenctko: well, that is damn good idea! the signature00:09
keesjferenc, My guess is that we will endup building on different hosts for different platform (I think) or have on dedicated machine.00:09
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tkoferenc, or the address of whoever made the last changelog entry00:10
ferenctko: though i got to hack the qmanager00:10
ferenctko: that's unreliable00:10
tkoI think all those would be more likely to be accurate than debian/control Maintainer :)00:10
ferenctko: unfortunately00:10
keesjvery nice good to have some feedback. can I summarize this and send it to the mud list?00:10
ferenctko: well, the signature is the best00:10
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ferenckeesj: please do it. and we have to spread this news among other projects as well00:11
ferencbut if i manage to get the mail address from the sigtnature then we are all set00:11
alps-ndh-c: haha. guess we just need to get full coverage now00:11
s-ndh-calp: and i changed a modfier in program.cs it wouldnt let me acces the standard konstructor otherwise00:12
ferenckeesj: you could mention that the proper maintainer address is important in order to send these notification emails00:13
s-ndh-cand in the c example they use some function to set the app title i didnt find naything like that in your binding dll00:13
alps-ndh-c: yeah, that api totally disappeared in the new parse of hildon-100:13
tigerts-ndh-c: nice!00:13
Takferenc: can I bug you about xmame?00:13
ferenckeesj: but we can get the uploader's address from the gpg/pgp signature. i will work on that.00:13
ferencTak: shoot00:14
ferenchybrid :)00:14
s-ndh-calp: thats what i changed used:
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* timely looks around00:14
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Takok - there was one guy who got worked up that it was in "free"00:15
ferencTak: but seriously. should we really have an "other" field in the catalog?00:15
Takin the catalog, yes00:15
|tbb|kaatis: have a new kernel now, and it looks like the installation run fine00:15
keesjand what was wrong with the md5 sum?00:16
ferenckeesj: i will check the logs and send an email to you00:16
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alps-ndh-c: i get it, looks like App is now Program. i'll try porting some c examples00:19
alpand looks like Views are gone completely00:19
tkoalp, App was a Widget, Program is not. HildonWindow is replacing View but is a real GtkWindow00:21
alptko: is there a porting guide?00:21
keesjferenc, you said I would create a mud mailing list could that be the maintainer email?00:21
* tko tries to navigate maemo.org00:22
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tkocan't comment on the quality, it's the first time I see that particular document :-]00:24
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alpis this api getting rolled out soon, or should we be concentrating on binding what's on the device?00:25
ferenckeesj: yes, in theoru we can do it00:25
ferenckeesj: i sent you and Jaffa an email00:25
ferenctko: when are you going to start migrating the projects from stage to garage?00:26
tkoferenc, I'm still not seeing any obvious benefit from doing that which would pay off the hassle00:27
ferenctko: documentation?00:27
ferenctko: account management, contribution management00:28
kaatis|tbb|, great00:28
ferenctko: public wiki, blogs etc etc00:28
ferenctko: and the hassle would not be yours but mine migrating the svn repos00:28
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tkoferenc, the problem with documentation is not the tools (we already have the wiki and svn) but getting the content00:29
ferenctko: beside that we would finally "integrate" the community00:29
tkoferenc, for account management we'd need to do some arbitrary splitting because of the apparent all or nothing access control per project00:29
ferenctko: having all maemo public projects at garage, that would reflect that we are together :)00:29
tkoand we have the wiki and blogs (more or less) already00:29
ferenctko: the idea is to split your huge 'haf' to smaller, manageable entities00:30
tkoand I simply don't want to use the bug tracker00:30
ferenctko: you don't have to use the garage trackers at all. just disable them and no one will see them.00:30
ferenctko: anyway, if you prefer hacking at stage i am fine with it...00:31
tkoferenc, which again comes back to me not seeing any benefit, really.. just moving the svn00:31
ferenctko: have you ever discussed this in the team?00:31
kaatisthat would be one less service to be maintained00:32
tkoyes, luc asked about migrating to garage and I asked the same things00:32
Takis dogfooding its own benefit? ;-)00:32
tkoother people might have differing opinions but I haven't seen any uncontrollable urge to migrate to garage00:33
ferenctko: well, the biggest benefit would be visibility00:33
ferenctko: if you have 9-10 smaller subprojects00:33
ferenctko: the community would understand better what you are doing00:33
alps-ndh-c: i updated the example in svn, no need to hack Program.cs. it now looks like this:
ferenctko: you could actually contact these subprojects a lot easier00:34
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voldoh, i just put my new 8gb card in to the n800, and formatted it00:34
volnow its a 2gb card :/00:34
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kaatisTak, and that too  :)00:34
c0ffeeferenc \o/00:34
s-ndh-calp: cool00:35
s-ndh-calp: i didnt get that instance thing00:35
kaatisvol, did it work as a 8gb card?00:35
kaatisbefore format00:35
volis it worth it to use ext2 over fat32?00:35
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volkaatis: yea cause i thought better of it on the second one00:36
volthat one is 8gb free00:36
volkaatis: i had to flash the sdhc enabled kernel first00:36
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kaatisvol, that's too bad! i can exchange it to a 2gb card which works! :)00:37
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ferencbtw. if someone is bored and want to write some FAQ pages:00:38
kaatisvol, i think you also need to update tools on the device, not just kernel00:38
ferencabout the FAQ stuff: let me know if you have access problems00:39
tkoferenc, the thing just is, if we're not going to use the forums, tracker, lists, tasks, docs, news, and files on garage, how is garage better than the current stage+bugzilla+lists+wiki ?00:39
ferenctko: you don't use them today, but that may change tomorrow.00:39
volkaatis: what tools do you mean?00:40
keesjtko, if you like bugzilla your a strange kind of person00:40
tkoI don't see we've been stopped by lack of *tools* before00:40
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tkokeesj, have ever used gforge trackers?00:40
nomiskeesj: wtf?00:40
ferenctko: having several smaller projects is a lot better then having a huge one with a very complicated strcuture00:40
nomisgforge/sourceforge-trackers are unusable crap.00:41
tkokeesj, and you call me strange. ugh :)00:41
Taknow, if only we had some faqs...00:41
ferencTak: well, i don;00:41
Tak("wtf?"  doesn't count)00:41
ferencTak: sorry. i have no question about the app catalog00:41
ferencTak: i thought somebody may have...00:42
c0ffeehow about why do i need to use so many repositories?00:42
tkoc0ffee, because developers don't care? :)00:42
Tak"What do all the colors mean?  What color will ITOS2008 be?"00:42
lle2c0ffee: nokia loves repositories00:42
ferencc0ffee: put it to the faq PAGE00:42
c0ffeeim only with this clumsy internet tablet thing00:42
ferencc0ffee: permission denied?00:42
ferencc0ffee: ok00:43
keesj"is is safe" to use the catalog, who must i contact if it does not work00:43
c0ffeesooo difficult to type00:43
tkolle2, come on, we only have a handful00:43
ferenckeesj: me00:43
ferencc0ffee: BT keyboard?00:43
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volkaatis: i was able to get it back to 8gb by specifying mkfs.vfat -F 3200:43
c0ffeeit´s painful00:43
keesjthe kind of question I had when failing to install openssh via the .install :(00:43
volit must default to 1600:43
c0ffeei wonder whether the stpaway is better00:44
ferenckeesj: valid question. pls add it to the FAQ :)00:44
lle2tko: doesn't change the fact that nokia loves repositories00:44
ssvbhi, does anybody know which package contains n800 xvideo extension implementation source code?00:44
keesjI must go no time to be social00:44
ferenckeesj: :)00:44
kaatisvol, ok00:44
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lle2tko: it's a cultural thing, I'm not only talking about debian repos00:48
neostriderhello folks00:49
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neostrideranyone knows who to share internet between ubuntu and 770?00:49
neostriderusing wifi?00:49
hubbuy a wireless AP00:50
neostriderthanks kkito!00:51
neostrider( sister only calls me "kikito" hahahaha)00:51
neostrider(its rather strange see your nickname)00:52
kkitoneostrider, hehehe :P00:53
neostrider(where you from?)00:54
kkitoneostrider, i am from spain :)00:55
Takok, did I do something wrong, or is the faq not working correctly?00:55
kkitoTak, did you try the cps2 emu?00:56
Takkkito: not yet - no n80000:56
ferencTak: what happened?00:56
TakI put in references, but I can't click the links00:57
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ferenci see00:57
ferencTak: checking00:57
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ferencTak: it was a permission problem, now it works01:07
ferencTak: thanks for noticing!01:08
ferencwike editors will have to get used to the new wiki syntax01:08
Takand now I must bid you adieu01:09
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wmaddlerGreat! Xchat works...01:18
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MoRpHeUzcesman: ping01:27
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neostrider(still fighting the wifi dongle...)01:45
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MIkeBanyone owner of the nokia 800  ?   do you care to share your experience with the n800 versus the 700 ?  It it worth changing from the 770 to the n800 ?02:05
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maddlerwg 2002:08
nomisMIkeB: not if you're happy with the 770.02:10
maddlerMIkeB: 770 still a good device...02:11
maddlern800 is more "comfortable" I'd say..02:11
maddlerbut if you are satisfied with your 770 keep it...02:12
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MIkeBI got a 770. I like it tough,  nevertheless  I'd love it to be faster.  I understand the n800 is a bit faster.  Now I probably have the opportunity to seel my 770 and get a new n80002:13
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MIkeBthe question is to do it or not !.. ?02:14
volMIkeB: i have 16gb of storage on my 800, which is a major plus over my 770 for me02:14
s-ndh-cthe two sd card slots alone are a reason to think about geting the n800 atleast for me02:14
MIkeBspecially I am worried about the actual device's quality.  I had NO problems with my 700 (bottom cracks, WSOD, etc. nothing went wrong).02:14
MIkeBI have read about some issues with the n800 tough.....02:14
volive dropped my 800 twice (be careful with the sleeve) and its fine... the first time was down the stairs02:15
MIkeBlike the issue with the camera not inverting image  when turning the camera....02:15
maddlerMIkeB: mine is performing great...02:15
MIkeBmaddler , where was your n800 manufactured ?02:15
MIkeBand yours, vol ?02:16
maddlerbtw.. if you are a techno-geek as I am... go for n800! ;)02:16
maddlerMIkeB: no idea... never checked...02:16
MIkeBI guess I qualify as a techno-geek indeed.....02:16
maddlerMIkeB: ahaha... dn't wait then!02:17
MIkeBI am asking where it was manufactured since I read about those troubles with the camera on some specific batches of n800...02:17
maddlerbuy it!!!02:17
MIkeBnext time I am on the USA a few days, probably I'll get it.02:17
maddleryes..but since I had no problems I didn't checked :)02:18
maddlerwhere from02:18
MIkeBmexico city.02:19
MIkeBthey recently started selling the 770 here, but almost at twice the US price.02:19
MIkeBI bought mine in the US.02:19
MIkeByup, dawn !02:19
MIkeBdamn ! I mean.02:19
maddlerand I was complainiing about Italy!02:20
Yamazaki-kunmaddler: Two words for you: Carlos Slim.02:20
maddlerYamazaki-kun: ?02:20
Yamazaki-kunMexican businessman. Owns Telmex.02:21
maddlershould that ring any bell?02:21
Yamazaki-kunThe phone company over there.02:21
maddleryou know 1am here...02:21
Yamazaki-kunMexico's got some serious issues with cartels.02:21
maddlermy brain is sleeping already02:22
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maddlerI know the feeling...02:22
MIkeByeah, Slim own Telmex...  I really do not complain about TELMEX,  10 years ago it took MONTHS, many months, even years to get a phone line02:22
MIkeBnow you can get it on2 days.02:22
Yamazaki-kunSounds like a good start, except prices are still 50% higher than north of the border.02:24
MIkeBback to the n800:  did you all get it on CompUSA ? (Slim owned, by the way !)  :)  or on the nokia's site ?02:25
maddlernokia site... but Italy here..02:26
Yamazaki-kunGot mine at CompUSA. Sometimes I do wonder if the hard drive prices there can be explained by Mr Slim's ownership.02:26
* [mbm] went to 4-6 different compusa stores trying to find one02:29
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Yamazaki-kunFirst store and I got it; that was about a week after launch, before it showed on
[mbm]I'd call ahead to another store and they'd have sold out by the time I got there (either that or they were jerking me around and just wanted to drag me into the store)02:30
[mbm]would have ordered online but it was a firday morning and I didn't want to wait weekend+delivery02:30
maddlermbm... a guy at a nokia point here in *rome*  told me N800 was a SonyEricsson phone!02:31
[mbm]maddler: well, more than once I got a confused employee direct me over to the cellphone isle just because I said nokia02:32
Yamazaki-kunSeems to be good now. I picked my three closest stores and they all have inventory.02:32
maddlerbut at least brand was correcy!02:32
maddlerYamazaki-kun: good..02:32
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Yamazaki-kunDon't think any Sony Ericsson phones start with N.02:33
[mbm]Yamazaki-kun: hint - the one they have on demo shows up in their inventory system02:33
Yamazaki-kunK or W.02:33
[mbm]so they might not actually have any fore sale02:33
maddlerand P02:33
Yamazaki-kun[mbm]: Ouch. Seems every company has a crack-addled monkey doing their website.02:33
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maddlerYamazaki-kun: not even monkeys actually02:34
[mbm]you can call them and ask how many they have, but more stores refuse to tell you how many and refuse to hold any02:34
maddlermaybe amoeba...02:34
* [mbm] also found that compusa was the only store that carried em.. none of the other electronic stores had the 770 or the 80002:35
[mbm](bestbuy, microcenter, frys ..)02:35
maddlerbtw... N800 can't be bought in stores here...02:36
maddlerand 770 can only be bought at nokia points02:37
maddlerif u are lucky enough...02:37
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[mbm]hmm.. I need dselect .. the app installer doesn't tell me what's new in the repositories02:38
Yamazaki-kunNewegg still doesn't have it. But at least at Fry's you can get some schw33t oscilliscopes.02:39
[mbm]I find frys to be overpriced on almost everything02:39
[mbm]only time I buy there is when I need something asap or there's a sale02:39
konfoothe scopes at frys are trash02:45
Yamazaki-kunThey've got Tektronix, which seem to be pretty decent.02:48
Yamazaki-kunThe BK Precision or whatever is indeed utter crap.02:48
Yamazaki-kunNot even good enough to not notice it's crap in a high-school electronics lab.02:50
myren_i want a scope with 2.5 GSamples/s or better02:51
myren_highly considering picking up a tektronix02:52
myren_the old 684 or a new 202402:52
Yamazaki-kunI hope work's paying for that.02:52
myren_no.  :(02:52
myren_i'm just an embedded nutter02:52
myren_i write web sites so i can afford to hack SoC02:52
Yamazaki-kunSo by "new" you mean "newer".02:52
myren_yeah probably used.02:53
Yamazaki-kunNot a 2024B.02:53
myren_no a B02:53
myren_yeah no kidding02:54
Yamazaki-kunAt least they throw in the FFT for no extra charge now.02:54
Yamazaki-kunIIRC that was an extra ten years ago.02:54
myren_i've got an ARM mobile computer and arm sensor-net i want to put together, a scope is essential02:54
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neostriderI asked before, but im going to ask again ( I didnt get it working): how to share internet connection between 770 and ubuntu dapper using a wireless dongle?03:52
timelyif you're lazy, you can use sshd :)03:53
neostriderhumm..good idea03:54
timelyotherwise you're stuck trying to figure out nat or proxies03:54
* timely is lazy03:54
neostriderbut I dont even know how to create the adhoc03:54
* timely shrugs03:54
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jaebirdhow many times a day does your N800 reboot magically by itself? :)05:28
disqjaebird: one or two. it's a dsp problem and they're working on it05:33
jaebirddisq: really?05:34
jaebirddisq: what is the dsp doing when it reboots? playing music?05:34
jaebirdat first I thought it was my SDHC I reverted05:34
jaebirdnext I thought it was my WLAN...hmm. But if it is the dsp i'm happy.05:35
disqcheck the maemo lists for info. they're called idle reboots05:35
jaebirdi emailed the list for pointers on how to troubleshoot watchdog reboots, because bootreason w32... doesn't tell me anything05:36
disqa way to get more info is to install syslog i suppose05:36
jaebirdi thought that might help...haven't done it yet tho05:36
disqand even redirect its output to another box via udp (syslog -c ip:port i'm guessing)05:36
disqtho somebody already did that and posted the output to the idle reboots thread05:37
jaebirdwhich list, not the devel?05:37
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disqdevel or users i don't recall really05:39
disq[mbm]: if you're still there. J&R over at NY also sells the n80005:40
disqjaebird: erm. "SDHC Flash Support" is the topic (also "Idle Reboots") in maemo-devel05:41
jaebirdoh...ok, yeah saw the discussion (participated a little too)05:42
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rofltoshyessss... N800 is on its way:
rofltoshthanks to you all who gave me the debit card advice last week06:03
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MIkeBrofltosh, may I ask what is that about the debit card  and a n800 ?06:17
rofltoshi was having troubles with the nokia store last week... these good people pointed me in the right direction06:18
rofltoshi ended up having to open my first ever plastic card account06:18
MIkeBOh, I see.... you had  like a "virtual Credit card".....right?06:19
rofltoshi had a box of cash under my bed :]06:27
rofltoshi'm only 17 here06:27
rofltoshadios for now06:30
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jaebirdah yes, to be 17 :)06:31
jaebirdanyone here have a motorola linux phone? I can't get mine to dialout successfully on GPRS with the N80006:42
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jaebirdit works fine with my moto V54006:42
jaebirdbut not on my ROKR E206:42
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tolgamgood morning !07:04
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jeepershowdy, folks...07:16
jeepersi have a couple questions (three actually) and I'm hoping everyone is in a friendly mood...07:16
jeepersFirst, can you call maemopad or (preferably) the pdf reader with an argument telling it what file to open with? i'm trying to do this from python.07:17
jeepersI started out trying a subprocess.popen()07:17
MIkeBI just found a page with exactly the same issue I got now with the UPDATES on a view:  Care to take a look :
MIkeBThanks in advance....07:18
MIkeBopps, sorry wrong channel !07:18
jeepersok... maybe not...07:20
jeepershow about making an image of the entire rootfs on the device?07:21
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makuchakuHi all, I've downloaded the MaemoAppliance for VMWare, how do I run it?07:25
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imawinardo you have vmware?07:27
makuchakuimawinar: yeah07:27
imawinaropen virtual machine - then point to the dir with the vmx file07:27
makuchakuimawinar: there's no .vmx file, but some 54 archives (file described them as .zip)07:28
imawinarstrange... do they have sequential numbers as the extension? .001 .002 ...07:28
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imawinarmulti-part archive07:29
imawinarneed an archiver that can handle multi-part... aah need 7zip07:29
makuchakuunzip wont help? file-roller?07:30
imawinardon't know which unzip can do multi-part07:30
imawinaryou could try something strange and do cat Maemo* > Combinedmaemo.zip07:30
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imawinari think that might work07:31
makuchakuimawinar: hmm, good sugestion :)07:33
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jeepersmakuchaku: actually the zip app you want is 7zip07:33
jeepersyou'll notice it matches the file extension07:34
jeeperssorry... i just saw imawinar's mention of 7zip07:34
makuchakujeepers: ah... let me try the concatinating solution, if it dosnt works then i'll head to 7zip :)07:34
jeepersi think i'd just get 7zip... it's free and the file is really dense and you might destroy it... meaning another 1gb download.07:35
jeepersit explodes to 4gb07:35
makuchakujeepers, imawinar: concatinating dosnt works... i'll get 7zip07:36
jeepersby file, i meant the zip07:36
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jeepersok... i take it no one has made an image from the entire fs on the device?07:39
jeepershow about this...07:39
jeeperscan someone just look in their fs (dev or device) and tell me what the path is to the pdf viewer?07:40
imawinarwhat's the app name?07:40
kulve/usr/bin/osso_pdfviewer         /usr/bin/osso_pdfviewer.launch07:40
jeepersi don't know... that's my problem... ahhhh... thanks kulve07:41
kulvels /usr/bin/*pdf* ;)07:41
jeepersdoes it take command line args (from osso_pdfviewer.launch)?07:41
jeepersi would have done the ls but i don't have an image in my dev environ with all of the apps installed...07:42
jeeperswhich is why i wanted to make an image of the actual fs on the device07:42
kulveI don't know about the params07:43
kulvethey are usually started by mimetype I think07:43
makuchakujeepers: 4 gb... wow!07:43
jeepersthanks for that much... that is a lot more than i had07:43
jeepersmakuchaku: yeah... surprised me too07:44
makuchakujeepers: okay, p7zip is thankfully in fedora-extras :)07:44
jeeperslol... yeah...07:45
makuchakujeepers: blah... the image is corrupted... i'm downloading it again... i hope it runs the next time :)07:55
jeepershopefully you're on a fast connection...07:56
makuchakujeepers: last time, it took me 1 day to download :(07:57
jeepersi was on a business class dsl and it took me a few hours... if you have the space it might do to backup the file immediately after download07:57
jeepersi know it's 1gb but better safe...07:57
jeepersactually, it only took me two hours i think07:58
jeepersthat can't be... never mind07:58
makuchakujeepers: :)07:58
jeepersi just remembered that i left it running after work... i only watched it for two hours07:59
makuchakujeepers: btw, is "7z e MaemoAppliance-1.0-6.10.7z.001" is the right command to extract? This command showed me errors in the Ubuntu.vmdk file.08:00
jeepersunfortunately i did this on windows so i used a graphical version... wait one08:01
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jeepersmakuchaku: try that08:04
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makuchakujeepers: checking...08:04
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makuchakujeepers: noops, data error again. Let me download the torrent again!08:06
jeepersmakuchaku: also (from bottom of man page) /usr/share/doc/p7zip/DOCS/MANUAL08:06
makuchakujeepers: yap :)08:06
makuchakujeepers: brb, need to get some tea :)08:06
jeepersanyone know where i can get more info on osso and plugins?08:10
jeepersmakuchaku: does that mean it's working?08:11
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makuchakujeepers: no :(08:19
jeepersi was rooting for you08:20
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sxperttigert, the N800 was featured on the radio this morning...08:31
sxpertthe only bad thing noted was, as I understand, that the flash plugin is too old and thus prevents viewing some youtube-ish media08:32
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gpdcan you unmute the tablet from the command line?08:39
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jeepersok.. this is getting ridiculous... anyone know where the osso-pdfviewer binary is located? i can't find it in any repositories...08:44
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MacSlowMDK, ping08:51
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jeepersIs the pdf-viewer just unavailable?09:00
jeepersI can't believe that... but I can't find it.09:01
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jeepersfor the record (and anyone searching this log later) - the only place I could find the pdf-viewer was as source from here:
jeepersnot exactly a definitive repository09:07
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jeepersok.. g'nite all09:35
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MacSlowI get /usr/lib/ undefined reference to `osso_g_scanner_cache_open'09:56
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MacSlowwhat library does provide this call?09:56
MacSlowapparently libosso does not suffice09:57
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zuhThat's an osso extension for glib10:10
zuhMaybe you have a vanilla glib pulled in from somewhere?10:11
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MacSlowzuh, kind of... figured it out...10:16
MacSlowI'm trying to get something going with cairo on the N800 and just starting to get to know coding inside scratchbox...10:17
zuhCool :)10:17
MacSlowI totally don't get the way expose/refresh works on hildeon/osso10:17
zuhIt _should_ be the same... Any particular problems with it?10:18
zuhThough I must admit there has been some funny stuff I've noticed too10:18
zuhDon't remember what though10:18
MacSlowwell sofar I am only dealing with it inside teh x86 target on my laptop here... and the maemo-env inside xephyr flickers10:19
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MacSlowI need to get right into the fullscreen-mode anyway10:20
zuhBtw, building with CFLAGS='-mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp' most likely will be worth the trouble when you get to the point of running on device. I'm seeing up to 7x speedups with cairo-perf...10:23
zuhBut that will make the binaries not run on QEMU10:23
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zuhSo you'd need to have sbrsh set up if the compile process requires it10:23
zuh(I still need to blog/mail the list the results of my cairo-perf runs with vfp-enabled builds, but currently have lacked the time to do so...)10:25
MacSlowzuh, I fear I'm still far away from that point10:26
MacSlowbut thanks for the hint... it's in my irc-log now10:27
MacSlowargl... what path/url is needed to chechout the examples?10:28
MacSlow here10:28
zuhie. s,viewcvs.cgi,svn,10:29
MacSlowok thx10:33
tigert"A first release of the OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition is now available for download."10:36
tigertand this is 3 days old news10:37
tigertI need to read my news more often ;)10:37
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MacSlowhm... I assume if I want a proper fullscreen-able window I need to use a HildeonAppView instead of just a HildeonWindow?!10:39
tigertMacSlow: what are you working on?10:39
MDKMacSlow: pong10:40
X-FadeMacSlow: Will we see your lander game on N800 soon? :)10:40
MacSlowI'm trying very hard for getting a surprise going on teh N80010:40
MacSlowX-Fade, I did not write the lander-game10:41
X-FadeMacSlow: Ah, I thought you did..10:41
MacSlowtigert, I10:41
MDKMacSlow: HildonAppView is totally deprectated10:42
MacSlowm trying to get going with some cairo-love on the N80010:42
MDKdo not use10:42
MDKjust use HildonWindow and fire gtk_window_fullscreen on it10:42
MacSlowMDK, what Hildeon widget is the proper one to use to get a solid working fullscreen-mode going?10:42
MDKor whatever the function was10:42
MacSlowMDK, ok trying10:42
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tigertMacSlow: cool10:43
tigertMDK: nice progress on the mono stuff10:44
MacSlowstill I fear I'm going to push the N800 too hard with what I have going here on my desktop boxes10:44
timelyMDK: please use a spell checker10:44
keesjalp: where can we follow your mono work , I am very curious10:44
timelypeople who search for "deprectated" will or should not find what they seek10:44
MacSlowMDK, ok fullscreen works10:47
MacSlowbut how to I get Hildeon to refresh my window when _I_ want it?10:48
MacSlowI just don't see the stuff I draw with cairo10:48
MDKtimely: i don't give a hit10:49
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MDKMacSlow: how do you mean 'refresh' ? It works like standard GtkWindow10:49
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MDKthere is the xserver hack we talked with tko the other day10:50
zuhMacSlow: Are you obeying the expose area? I remember having trouble with it... (the same code worked on desktop, but failed on device)10:50
zuhMDK: Just one?-)10:50
MDKMacSlow: you can't use the usuall gaming-like drawing model10:51
MDK(draw, switch buffers, check how much time elapsed, etc., draw... )10:52
MDKbecause, putting it simple, switch buffers doesn't guarantee actual switching10:52
MacSlowMDK, well as a start I just want to see what I draw once (not game-like yet)10:52
MDKare you using Gtk 2.10 from experimental?10:53
MacSlowbut in order to see what I drew with cairo in the expose even-handler needs me to e.g. damage the window with the menu on the left-side and only then see what has been drawn10:53
MacSlowMDK, no10:53
MacSlowjust stock maemo 3.010:54
MacSlowand a cairo 1.13.10 compiled inside the x86-target on apophis10:54
MDKThan I don't know, we did a lot of bad things to gtk 2.610:54
MacSlowI tried to get newer glib/gtk going...10:55
MacSlowbut ran into issues "walking down the depencendy chain" at the pango part10:55
MDKjust use our experimental repository10:55
MacSlowsome gnome-common/aclocal stuff just did not work10:55
* zuh runs the upstream versions of the whole gtk stack up to gtkmm with no problems...10:55
MDKthis will brick some of your apps/functionality though10:56
zuhin fact I have a menu item in others menu that shuts down most of the UI (m-a-d, matchbox) and runs a demo UI there ;)10:56
MacSlowwell what repo to use for scratchbox then?10:56
MacSlowI don't know if all this is really worth the trouble... if the "game-loop" like stuff does not work anyway10:57
MDKthis is a work in progress though10:57
MDK(the experimental repo)10:58
MacSlowMDK, under which env do I have to edit the sources.list11:01
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MDKie. scratchbox11:02
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MacSlowas root somewhere inside /scratchbox, as normal user logged in under a SDK_x86 target?11:02
MDKas normal user inside sbox11:02
MDKpossibly with fakeroot11:02
MDKactually not11:02
s-ndh-ci couldnt use apt-get in my 386 sdk target11:03
MDKhow come?11:03
JaffaMorning, all11:03
s-ndh-cnot sure, even with fakeroot apt gave me error about not beeing able to lock some dir11:03
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MacSlowMDK, is there any document on the net/wiki that explains how the x-server and gtk inside maemo work?11:07
MDKnot sure11:08
MDKgtk is not the problem afaik11:08
MacSlowMDK, not having access to the canola sources to try to learn form them makes all my intended plans... well certainly not easier11:08
MDKcanola is using SDL11:08
* MacSlow doesn't want to mention the missing OpenGL-driver for the MBR-chip :)11:08
MDKand, obviously, a different interface to X11:08
MacSlowMDK, what do you mean with "different interface to X"?11:11
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MDKwe have some modifications in our SDL too11:17
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MacSlowhi bilboed11:18
* Jaffa finally catches up and sees the H9 stuff. Intriguing.11:20
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bedboihi there.11:30
X-FadeJaffa: It would be nice if other vendors would also contribute to maemo. Coordinating the effort could be hard.11:34
JaffaX-Fade: if it is Maemo-based, hopefully having another vendor shipping Maemo will further encourage Nokia to separate Maemo releases from Nokia hardware releases/end-user product images.11:35
mitchelocX-Fade: What other vendors use Maemo?11:35
X-Fademitcheloc: Check ;)11:37
nomisis this really maemo or does it just look like it?11:37
JaffaThere are enough differences to suggest to me it's either a long-developed fork or a clone.11:38
X-Fadenomis: Well it looks like it.11:38
bedboiJaffa: what are you talking about?11:38
Jaffae.g. the number of shortcuts in the task navigator; desktop buttons; clock in the task bar11:38
Jaffabedboi: see
X-FadeJaffa: All those things can be done with only a few lines of code..11:39
mitchelocX-Fade: those blog entries have a lot of good info, i like that theme in there, makes me wish i didn't return my n800 heh11:39
suihkulokkiJaffa: We'll have to wait until they a) actually manage to release it b) realize that they actually need to publish some of their modifications =)11:40
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mitchelocX-Fade: however that asian umpc one looks *really* nice11:40
Jaffasuihkulokki: :)11:40
hapis canola available for the n800 (same question everyday)11:40
Jaffahap: I'm sure we'll see them posting about it on when they do11:40
keesjJaffa: I created a lib for wxwidgets but the wx-config is not inserted in the -dev package. what is a good start to start  looking?11:42
hapJaffa: yeah right11:42
X-Fademitcheloc: Nah, I like plankton a lot more..11:42
Jaffakeesj: the debian/wxwidgets-dev.files file11:43
roopeWell, it's a whole lot bigger.11:43
roopeThe device physically.11:43
JaffaThere are times I'd like a bigger, but same pixel count, screen11:43
JaffaFor example, you could get more information on screen due to things being readable at smaller sizes. You just have to look at the two screenshots to see that the H9's screen *looks* bigger.11:44
roopen800 has a 3.5 inch screen, that one has a 7 inch screen. It's actually a lot bigger.11:44
X-FadeJaffa: I want a 22" monitor @ 220 dpi  as my desktop :)11:44
JaffaX-Fade: yeah, that'd do :-)11:44
mitchelocX-Fade: i was referring to the plankton theme?11:45
keesjJaffa: and for version information (many packages I created do not have the right version in the deb file name11:45
* Jaffa remembers seeing a stupidly high-resolution, large monitor at IBM. Had 4 VGA inputs and needed 4 graphics cards to drive it :)11:45
roopesorry, um... 4.2 inch screen.11:45
roopeAnyway. that's ... almost like pepper pad size.11:45
Jaffakeesj: that comes from the directory name in build/<package>, e.g. wxwidgets-1.0.011:45
roopepepper pad has 8 inch screen, for comparison.11:46
mitchelocJaffa: how do you play a movie across all for panels?11:46
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mitchelocpepper pad is ugly :(11:46
Jaffamitcheloc: across all four gfx cards? No idea. It was displaying a slideshow rather than a movie; and running Linux, so I guess Xinerama.11:46
roopePepper pad is much too larger basically to carry and to use. We have one here.11:47
MDKI can bet 5e they just ripped the UI11:47
MDKnot really using our libraries/code11:47
keesjroope: I live next to the RAI in amstedam and this week they had some publishing conference, on the outside there was a billboard like you see a tram stations with an LCD screen ,so it was pretty big , I really had to come very close in order to see pixels11:48
JaffaMDK: I'd probably come down on the side of agreeing. There's still so much custom stuff in Maemo that they would have had to: 1) be very active on maemo-developers; 2) had a private agreement with Nokia11:48
Jaffakeesj: probably due to the capitals.11:50
keesjit talks about wxgtkBROKEN11:51
Jaffakeesj: that's fine, we handle that. It's just the Debian way.11:51
Jaffakeesj: Ah, I've found the bug. Hang on...11:51
keesjat the end the files are called wxgtk-dev_1_armel.deb and wxgtk1_1_armel.deb11:51
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s-ndh-calp: you around?11:53
Jaffakeesj: that version problem should be fixed in r123.11:54
keesjtrying, version control is so nice11:55
JaffaSubversion rocks :)11:55
hapcompared to CVS, for sure.11:58
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* Jaffa had the joy of using PVCS when he started at his current $EMPLOYER. That was unfun. CMVC at IBM's a bundle of laughs too.11:59
keesjI still use both a lot11:59
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keesjI hope h9 is gentoo based :p12:05
keesjbegin able to build everything from source really is great12:05
inzI'm able to do that in debian. Debian, however, doesn't force me to do that.12:11
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keesjYes, I guess you are right12:11
keesjI am just so used to have an up2date system with no releases.12:12
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suihkulokkikeesj: you *are* aware that there is multiple other ways of compiling a distro for sources other than gentoo?12:13
keesjBut I have not been able to create gentoo package either :p12:13
keesjwell a source ports collections is just great.12:13
koensuihkulokki: no, gentoo is the only one that is source-based12:14
koensuihkulokki: as the g3nt00 people keep telling me12:14
keesjI liked it in my bsd day's and I still think it is superiour12:14
koenI'm happy with my pixie-dust based debian12:14
keesjkoen: url?12:14
s-ndh-cso lfs is not source-based?12:15
koenkeesj: almost  every /. announcement about gentoo12:15
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keesjkoen: sorry , I don't understand , can you explain a little more what pixie-dust is?12:17
koenkeesj: "onzin spul", something made up12:18
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keesjkoen: but there must be a good reson why there is no current armel target for debian?12:25
Jaffakeesj: big projects move slowly12:25
keesjdo you think that will happen some day?12:25
Jaffa is one company's start at it12:25
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dwdHas anyone tried making the N800 (or 770) act as a bluetooth headset?12:27
dwdI was really thinking it might be much better as a speakerphone than the one in the phone, especially in the car.12:28
mitchelocdwd: cool idea... i didn't think the speakers were loud enough though12:29
dwdmitcheloc, Louder than the phone's, I'd have thought.12:30
dwdmitcheloc, Culd build a nice dialler interface, too, if you culd figure out how it would actually dial. :-)12:31
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inzgammu might help there12:38
Veggendwd: phonelink does that?12:39
Veggen(not tried, saw it on garage or in the app.catalog)12:39
dwdinz: I was thinking of looking into Gammu/Wammu/whatever, actually.12:40
s-ndh-cwhat are those .install files?12:42
* pahartik would like Nokia 770 to tell who is "calling" to Bluetooth paired telephone12:42
s-ndh-cpahartik: isnt that possible?12:43
pahartiks-ndh-c: Does current software support that feature?12:44
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s-ndh-cpahartik: not sure, thats why iam asking :)12:47
inzdwd, I've made gammu packages earlier for mistral, not sure if the work on bora12:47
inzdwd, I meant to do a sms writing app, but didn't. =)12:47
s-ndh-cinz: where can i get that?12:47
s-ndh-cdo you still have the package?12:47
inzs-ndh-c, repository12:48
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s-ndh-cnot sure if get that right but does that calls --monitor thing monitor for new calls?12:50
dwdinz: You have Bora and an N800, right?12:51
s-ndh-cwill check that out12:51
inzdwd, "yes"12:51
pahartiks-ndh-c: I just recently got WCDMA uplink with Bluetooth 2.0 and got more curious again12:51
maddler"jffs2_scan_inode_node(): CRC failed on node at"12:52
maddlerany clue on what does this mean?12:52
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maddlersounds like flash memory gor somehow corrupted...12:52
dwdinz: So the gammu work just ran out of steam for a bit. I'll have to have a fiddle, see what it can do.12:53
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inzI'll have to rebuild for bora, it uses libbluetooth2, where mistral used libbluetooth112:54
maddleris there any way to check jffs2 filesystem?12:59
dwdinz: Is the source in the repository too? If so, I'll just recompile it. I'll see if I can get python-gammu working, too.12:59
inzdwd, I just recompiled13:03
inzdwd, so now there's a bora version too13:03
dwdinz: Oh, cool.13:04
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dwdinz: I'll have to see if I can get the Python interface working, and dummy up something.13:04
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JaffaAha, N800 sources are available:
hapah good13:14
hapneed to inject that into the SDK, so we can use it there13:15
hapand change that shitty UI13:15
* Jaffa downloads and unpacks like Koen did for OS 2006.13:16
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littlefaeHello everybody13:19
littlefaeTak, are you around good buddy? :)13:19
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JaffaFor your pleasure:
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|tbb|_hap nice what they say about linux on gizmocall.com13:45
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dwdJaffa: Ooooh.13:55
|tbb|i would like to know if it will be hard to modify the rss-feed-reader applet that it works for example like a news ticker?13:57
hap|tbb|: didn't check, i tried with my powerbook14:03
hap|tbb|: what do they say ?14:03
|tbb|who? ive talk to nobody14:04
|tbb|yeah, gizmo  works now for europe countrys. the version for the n800 before has always cut out the "+" while dialing. go upgrade!14:06
X-FadeAh, tango-fied 770 and N800 icons:
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keesjJaffa: the svn update broke the wxGtk :( perhaps this is a Capital problem again?
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pippineek, I think I've received a semi broken N800 :|14:45
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Molagiwhats wrong about it14:46
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pippintrying to snap a photograph of the screen, (it seems like something driving the display itself isn't correctly aligned, thus I get color fringes and slight artifacts in the display)14:47
qoshey guys ... i want to flash a new kernel to my 770 :) is there a good guide or are there important things?14:48
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qossomebody alive?14:59
Molagioh that looks ugly15:00
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qosand its not normal ;)15:00
qosi have an n800 without these errors15:00
* pippin knows how the display is supposed to look :]15:01
pippinthe question is what to do about it15:01
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Molagisend it back15:04
* pippin is looking through the papers trying to figure out where to :]15:05
qosdoes somebody know where the diffrence is between flashing an entire maemo image and flashing only an kernel...15:05
X-Fadeqos: Entrire image also contains rootfs, initfs, bootloader..15:07
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qosX-Fade, so if i flash only a kernel is replaces only some directory of the fs?15:09
keesjpippin: lol I tried to view the soruce code of ,even in vi I get the black bars15:09
inzqos, it doesn't do anything to the (root)fs15:09
inzqos, but instead puts the kernel onto it's partition15:09
* pippin ❤ utf815:10
qossooo the kernel is on a serperate partition?15:10
inzqos, yeah15:10
qosinz, thx a lot15:11
qosso i want to flash the lastest OS 2006 ... but another kernel. first the new image ... than the new kernel?15:12
inzqos, or use the --flash-only option15:13
inzqos, or you might also be able to specify -F <new image> -k <kernel image> -f, but not sure of that15:13
qosinz, something to regard?15:13
qosinz, to use a full battery or tips like that?15:14
inzqos, just make sure the battery is not totally empty15:14
inzqos, I've flashed "my" device dozens of times, and have yet to see a failed flash15:15
inzEven if the battery is totally empty, a reflash should do it15:15
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qosinz, okay thx15:18
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pippinbah, nokia tells me to seek out the nearest service center with the device :| (which is at least 2h drive from here)15:20
keesjit was 5 minutes on the bicle for me!15:20
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|tbb|how can i remove a packet which i installed via dpkg -i debfile.deb like with apt-get remove --purge bla15:22
pippinI'll just have to postpone it until a time when I'll be in the vicinity of such a service point then :/, might be a couple of weeks15:22
s-ndh-c|tbb|: dpkg --purge?15:22
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|tbb|why do i have often to run start then stop then again start to get the gui visible?15:30
nomis(and why doesn't stop kill all the processes it started?)15:31
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maddlerdamn... can't manually install libncurses5_5.4-3.osso1_armel.deb15:40
|tbb|i would like to run osso-öock-ui but following error appears ->
maddlerit says it's inncompatible15:44
Jaffakeesj: next time I'll check it. Anyway, I'll have a look shortly.15:44
keesjI have fixed it in my version right now , don't worry :p15:45
keesjI run from one problem to the next .. now the wx-config link is installed but is absolute wx-config -> /home/keesj/mud-builder/build/wxgtk/wxGTK-2.8.0/debian/tmp/usr/lib/wx/config/gtk2-ansi-release-2.815:46
Jaffakeesj: feel free  to commit the fix15:47
Jaffakeesj : ta, my stupid fault. Sorry.15:50
keesjJaffa: that is the problem when you are the sole developer it is always you fault15:51
keesjand if it is open-source people know where to find you15:51
|tbb|ive modified the png files of statusbarclock src ive recompiled them and installed the package but the diggit color still remains being black. after i have change it to red. How can i be sure that the dpkg install method wont install the clock from cache or somewhere else? ive done before dpkg --purge statusbarclock before i done dpkg -i modified-statusbarclock.deb15:52
|tbb|i cant test it on scratchbox because i cant get the osso-clock-ui to run and change analog to digital - see errors on pastbin url15:53
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pancakedoes I have to put my projects into the garage16:14
pancaketo be accessible from the maemo-apps page?16:14
pancakeor wtf does I've to do?16:14
Jaffapancake: no, they can be anywhere. You need a Garage account and then you follow the well-written user guide. In other words, you RTFM ;-)16:15
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pancakebut i don't understand why it's mandatory to have a garage account :)16:16
JaffaYou don't need a garage project.16:16
JaffaBut the garage account can be considered the " login"16:16
pancakei say "garage account"16:16
JaffaYou obviously need *some* authentication to stop vandalism, give some accountability etc.16:17
pancakethere was any problem before?16:17
JaffaNo, it just makes sense.16:18
pancakeso, if the garage account is the maemo one too16:18
pancakewhy does my account only works in the garage?16:18
keesjJaffa: the singing does not for me16:19
Jaffapancake: I don't understand.16:20
keesjat leat can't we just get a ssh garage account with everyting setup16:20
Jaffakeesj: ?16:20
keesjjust like sourcefoge ,16:20
keesjyou upload , login to you own project and publish the dam file , how hard can that be?16:20
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pancakeJaffa: does the garage account must enable be to login here?
Jaffapancake: I thought it did, as I said: RTFM.16:21
Jaffapancake: mine works there16:21
pancakethat's what i'm doing, and it doesn't work16:21
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pancakethat's the problem :)16:21
pancakebtw i've no time for burocracy now16:21
keesjand the .install is as 10.000 times bigger security issue16:21
* pancake back to work16:22
Jaffakeesj: agreed, but I can see why they didn't want to give shell access out - and dput works for Debian (I assume)16:22
keesjit would be better if all the package in the extra's repo where signed so that at leat you know where they come from16:22
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AkatemikHi all. Is this channel dedicated to dev discussion, or could I ask about app availability too?16:40
JaffaAsk the question, not a meta-question ;-)16:40
AkatemikSure thing :)16:40
dwdJaffa: Can I ask if I can ask a question?16:41
AkatemikSo, I've been offered a cheap 770 (buddy moving on to 800). I wonder if there are programs so that I could take my mail to bus (offline), read them, write answers and sync again to imaps server while back online16:41
Jaffadwd: A meta-meta-question?16:41
AkatemikBasicly I would like to do something semi-useful while transiting from one place to another16:42
JaffaAkatemik: yes, both the built-in email client (such as it is), and Sylpheed (<plug />) support offline modes.16:42
AkatemikOh, great16:42
c0ffeehowever, the built-in email client only support imap up to a certain (very low) degree16:42
AkatemikMy buddy didn't use it for mail, so all he could say was that the original client is regarded as awful by many16:43
AkatemikI'll google sylpheed, let's see...16:43
everaldoMDK, ping16:43
JaffaAkatemik: I'll give you that one for free, since I know my own URLs ;-)16:43
feruloMDK, 48!16:43
AkatemikJaffa: What is this? Service on an irc channel :)16:44
JaffaAkatemik: don't get used to it, I've got real work to do ;-)16:44
AkatemikHmm, no gpg... Well, I'll live16:44
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AkatemikIt says that deving isn't finished. Will it ever be finished for 770 or will the final version be only for N800? This is one of the things I'm a bit afraid of, that 770 will be dumped now.16:45
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JaffaAkatemik: I have no plans to not support Sylpheed on earlier devices.16:47
AkatemikAlso, what is the status of PIM software on 770, can I use it as a "real" pda replacing my pencil&paper calendar?16:47
AkatemikJaffa: Sounds great16:47
JaffaAkatemik: see GPE Calendar, or others.16:47
VeggenAkatemik: replacing pen and paper, it should be good at. It's the synch-to-everywhere that's a bit tricky.16:48
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AkatemikVeggen: I don't have anything to sync to, I'm afraid :)16:49
AkatemikSince syncing my paper calendar is a bit hard, I haven't tried to use my laptop as my PIM16:50
AkatemikJaffa: Yeah, looks ok. If it also works fine, then I'll just go and buy that 77016:50
AkatemikVeggen: If I can make backups easily, it should be ok enough16:51
Veggenif builtin backup doesn't do it, it's not so difficult to do it with making a simple script or similar.16:52
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Veggenthe builtin backup is known to be a bit limited in what it deems backup-worthy, and isn't that configurable.16:52
AkatemikOk. I think this is all I need to know to make me buy it. All else is justa bonus :)16:52
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kkitoany news about canola on n800 ?16:58
etrunkokkito: not yet17:02
kkitoetrunko, :( oh17:03
kkitoetrunko, are you one of the developers17:03
etrunkokkito: not really, but we are co-workers17:04
etrunkokkito: sometimes i do some tests for them17:04
kkitoetrunko, oh, and do you know when the n800 version will be released?17:05
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etrunkokkito: unfortunately not.... maybe together with the new 770 version17:06
kkitowell i must to wait a little more...17:06
etrunkokkito: i'm sure you won't regret17:08
keesjI am searching for information about the debian/*.install file format and the new maintainers guide does not help17:08
jcml_keesj: hideous guess:
keesjnope :) but that is also good information :p17:11
jcml_sorry! :)17:12
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X-Fadekeesj: Isn't this what you are looking for?
kkitodid somebody try to port quake2 to n800 ?17:13
keesjI will read it again , perhaps I have just mised it thanks17:13
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X-Fadekeesj: What is it you are missing? :)17:14
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* jcml_ would give large amounts of money for quake to be ported, performant and usable with a BT mouse ...</hint>17:16
keesjI have a package that contains debian/aafd.install files , apparently it looks like a list of files that will be packages when I create the deb. I am searching for documentation about that , what kind of whildcards can I use for example?17:16
zuhjcml_: Buy an UMPC?-)17:17
keesjUMPC == opengl?17:17
zuhI thing those could run it in sw mode17:17
mgedminkeesj: man dh_install17:17
zuhBut "usable" is dirt in the eye of the beholder or something ;)17:17
mgedminnote that debian/foo.install is completely different from the maemo one-click .install files as described in
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kulvekeesj: I think you can use "normal" wildcards17:17
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keesjkulve: thanks17:20
kkitowell if nokia wants to pay for the powervr license we can have opengl support in the n80017:21
jcml_zuh: FOAD, you M$-lovin' capitalist ... ;-)17:21
zuhWe run gentoo on our Samsung Q1... ;)17:24
jcml_Ouch - I played with the Q1 for a week :( *pain*pain*pain* !!!17:28
keesjzuh: what does it cost? I really have been disovering so much devices this week17:29
keesjzuh: and who are We if I may ask?17:30
jcml_keesj: $LOTS.  /Far/ more than you can justify for a substandard tablet.  About the only decent thing was the stand on the back, IMHO ... :)17:31
kulvekeesj: zuh left already, but he'll probably comment later..17:31
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Jaffajcml_: which the N800 has now :)17:32
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jcml_Jaffa: My point /exactly/.17:34
jcml_Jaffa: Had I made it.17:34
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X-FadeToo bad there are only Linux 2.4 Powervr drivers with lots of digital blobs. That makes it hard to get powervr running..17:37
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kulvethat powervr could be quite cool..17:37
s-ndh-cwhats the prefered language for developing apps for maemo? c or python?17:38
kulvec ofc ;)17:38
JaffaC, with Python a close second.17:38
X-FadeI'm looking at the old driver and that doesn't give me much hope..17:38
kulveX-Fade: yeah, I'm pretty sure there won't be powervr unless nokia provides it..17:38
s-ndh-cjust wondered as there seems to python bindings for all that stuff17:39
kulve"MBX provides fill rates in excess of 300 million pixels/sec and throughput of 3.7 million triangles/sec, from a very small, very power-efficient core."17:39
X-Fadekulve: Imgtec doesn't even have a linux 2.6 driver. So even if Nokia wanted it..17:40
X-Fadekulve: Those Dell Axim X50v demos look sweet :)17:41
TakI'm confused about what the "tools and utilities" listmail is asking for17:44
|tbb|is it possible to run ssh -X sessions in fullscreen mode?17:46
|tbb|i try to start poker online via ssh -X session but without fullscreen no bid ;)17:47
Jaffa|tbb|: if the window opens itself full screen, it should work. Alternatively VNC...17:48
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|tbb|it runs under wine ;/17:52
keesjs-ndh-c: I am am playing with wxLua17:57
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nealchecked the md5sum on gergely and falshing a 770 with either flasher 2.0 or 3.0 results in Bootloader error log follows: Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed! Invalid magic on JFFS2 block 0 Image not complete17:59
nealI'm sure there is some logical explanation for this but it escapes me.17:59
keesjs-ndh-c: but my guess would be that c# is a very atractive platform.18:01
keesjunless we get java jit jazelle for free18:02
s-ndh-ckeesj: yeah c# is cool18:02
X-FadeHmm look what I found:18:08
X-FadeIt seems they have a linux sdk for TI OMAP2420 :)18:09
nealthis , only recommends -r, not -F which was required in my case18:11
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X-FadeI was able to download the openvg dsk :)18:13
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|tbb|yeah, have found out how it goes, first change the size of the window, and then do maximized an i can see the whole screen18:14
keesjso you only need drivers now :p18:15
kulveX-Fade: you don't do much with it18:15
kkitoif someone can make a bug report for the powervr support will be nice :P18:16
X-FadeHmm yeah, so it seems:
kulveX-Fade: But I would guess that they do have stuff working on 2.6 even though it might not been publicly announced. But I also guess that they would bill pretty much for using the chip/software/whatever and nokia is not willing to pay for it18:18
X-FadeWell, Nokia payed TI for the chips. So I guess they will need to ask TI :)18:19
X-FadeBut if I'm not mistaking some Nokia phones also use the powervr core?18:19
kulveTI probably bought the thing from powervr. Dunno which one should be asked..18:20
X-Fade Pretty big sdk. Too bad we don't have drivers.18:21
kulveX-Fade: Yeah, afaik some nokia phone uses omap2 and they have hw accelerated 3d, so they might be using the powervr chip.18:22
kkitoperhaps they are using symbian os not linux, and nokia pays for the symbian drivers18:23
|tbb|hmmh little problem after the display goes into save mode (goes black) and then u type on the touchscreen the X-Window is unvisible and u cant get it anymore to the foreground :/18:23
kulvekkito: yep, those are symbian phones18:23
X-FadeTi has sdks too:
X-FadeNotice the linux 2.4 there too :(18:24
kkito <-- here it says that 2.6 kernel is supported18:26
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alpit strikes me as suspicious. have you ever seen a real software firm with a product call itself an IP business?18:31
kulve(2.4 Kernel)18:31
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keesjwhat does this all mean?18:32
keesjso they say 2.6 is supported , so that is not the reason it is not included18:33
suihkulokkikeesj: with GPL'd driver in mainline linux?18:34
alpIP firms i can think of in the past include unisys trying to license gif, SCO etc. and they all had something in common: they were trying to charge for a commodity. if these guys actually had a 2.6 kernel mobile graphics framework, surely they would be showing it off by now18:34
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jonekhi, is openSSH usable on the N800?18:39
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keesjjonek: works good18:39
keesjsuihkulokki: just having it would be great , GPL would be a second step18:40
jonekdownload the .deb and dpkg -i ?18:40
Jaffajonek: apt-get install ssh18:40
keesjjonek: I think the .install from download maemo faile (did you try it?)18:41
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keesjI think I just added the maemo repo and typed apt-get install18:41
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Takis there an issue tracker for the new faq yet?18:51
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bedboiare there packages with gstreamer utils?19:15
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kenderbedboi, yes, there are19:21
bedboikender: url?19:22
kenderbedboi, maemo repo, I think19:22
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keesjkender: the uinput module you compiled worked for19:24
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kenderkeesj, great19:25
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kenderkeesj, I tried synergy too, it worked, but not very well19:26
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keesjwhat kind of problems did you have?19:26
kenderI tried using the touchscreen as a mouse for the pc19:26
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kenderThe mouse worked as if it was "clicked" always19:27
kenderthe moviments were very fast19:27
kenderand if you "tap" in two diferent places, the mouse doesn't move19:27
keesjso the mouse movent need to be absolute and are relative right?19:28
kenderI think that is because it is treated as a mouse, and no as a touchscreen19:29
keesjand it would be nice to get presure information then19:29
kenderyes, too19:29
kenderkeesj, I must study, see you later :)19:32
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jeepersmorning, folks19:56
jeepershas anyone installed the pdf-viewer from source?19:56
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tzzjeepers: I have only used evince, sorry19:59
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jeepersthanks, anyway... i found a source package from some obscure site (because maemo/nokia doesn't seem to have the packages available in the repositories)...20:00
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jeepersbut it won't compile. it has some freetype related issues...20:01
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jeepersok... i'm trying to make a package out of pdf-viewer source...20:20
jeepersI have freetype in /usr/include/freetype2/freetype20:21
tkodpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ?20:21
jeepersthe error i get is:20:21 #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME>20:22 In constructor `SplashFTFont::SplashFTFont(SplashFTFontFile*, SplashCoord*)':20:22 error: `FT_New_Size' undeclared (first use this function)20:22 error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.)20:22 In member function `virtual SplashPath* SplashFTFont::getGlyphPath(int)':20:22 error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, void*)'20:22 error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, void*)'20:22 error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, const FT_Vector*, void*)'20:22 error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, FT_Vector*, FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, const FT_Vector*, const FT_Vector*, void*)'20:22 error: `FT_Glyph' undeclared (first use this function)20:22 error: expected `;' before "glyph"20:22
fishARGS20:22 error: `glyph' undeclared (first use this function)20:22 error: `FT_Get_Glyph' undeclared (first use this function)20:22
tkomake it stop!20:22 error: `FT_OutlineGlyph' undeclared (first use this function)20:22 error: expected `)' before "glyph"20:22 error: `FT_Done_Glyph' undeclared (first use this function)20:22 warning: unused variable 'outlineFuncs'20:22
jeepersmake[3]: *** [SplashFTFont.o] Error 120:22
jeepersmake[3]: Leaving directory `/scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/osso-pdf-viewer-1.2.24/splash'20:22
jeepersmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 120:22
jeepersmake[2]: Leaving directory `/scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/osso-pdf-viewer-1.2.24'20:22
jeepersmake[1]: *** [all] Error 220:22
jeepersmake[1]: Leaving directory `/scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/osso-pdf-viewer-1.2.24'20:22
jeepersmake: *** [build-stamp] Error 220:22
jeepersall of this is done in the maemo scratchbox chroot20:22
X-FadeOh man ;)20:23
jeepersit looks bad but i think it is only a freetype issue...20:23
tkojeepers, unmodified rootstrap?20:23
jeepersdue to other stuff i've seen on the web20:23
jeepersyeah.. unmodified20:23
fishbtw is there something like syslog on maemo? maybe something like a logging ringbuffer like on openwrt (i think its part of busybox, logread)20:23
tkoIIRC freetype used to suggest using #include FREETYPE_H or something, which isn't nice20:24
X-Fadefish: you can just apt-get install syslog..20:24
Juhazjeepers, please use a pastebin if it's more than few lines...20:24
jeeperssorry... ok20:24
tkodoes GPL require that the released source code actually compiles? :)20:24
jeepershey... everyone seemed asleep so i thought i'd wake ya'll up :)20:25
fishX-Fade: uhm okay ;)20:25
Takshould be ok as long as it doesn't compile on the dev's system either  ;-)20:25
keesjtko: I don't even think you are required to deliver the build tools20:25
tkojeepers, there's probably some odd difference between our internal build environment and yours.. you might want to complain to the list or bugzilla20:26
fishX-Fade: but maybe logging everything to the memory is not a very good idea because the limited write cycles..20:26
fishX-Fade: thats why they use this logging buffer stuff on openwrt20:26
tkokeesj, if the compiler is 'common enough' but I think you are required to deliver specialised tools20:26
keesjso I think you could make something opensource without devivering the Makefiles and such20:26
jeeperstko: ok... i'll see if i can figure out what that difference is first20:26
tkojeepers, you can't, that would be up to the SDK maintainers20:27
Takkeesj: one could argue that the build system is part of the project20:27
jeeperstko: well, i can find out how to get mine to compile.20:27
fishkeesj: afaik, no20:27
fishkeesj: the makefile must be released too20:28
keesjyes , but may well have a different license . just like bitkeper was used for linux development20:28
jeeperstko: that's more important to me right now... and it will give the folks somewhere to start in fixing the maemo image supplied on vmware20:28
Taktrue - but the normal autotools-based project has the COPYING file covering all the contents, including (presumably) the build scripts20:29
keesjno way that the Makefile fall under that same licence as the software20:29
tkojeepers, I can only think of different versions of freetype or compilers, neither which makes any sense20:29
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lle2keesj: "complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable"20:31
lle2keesj: from section 3 of gpl20:32
keesjhmm . I did not aways to that.20:35
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koenkeesj: also note how nokia's statement on 'release after cleaning up the source' violates the GPL as well20:35
Akatemikhi again, ircing with my new, second hand 770 :)20:35
fishwhat do you recomment to play simple .wav files? i need something for kismet...20:35
koenkeesj: the GPL wants the source as it was when building the distributed binary20:35
TakAkatemik: very nice - what are secondhand 770s going for nowadays?20:35
* Tak reports keesj to the FSF20:36
tkokoen, we made such statements?20:36
Akatemikapplication manager says that dropbear is broken, but seems to work...20:36
AkatemikTak: 80eur20:36
koentko: yes20:36
Takhmm, not bad20:36
Takat that price, I might get another just to mount in my car or something20:37
koentko: see the thread where I ask for the wifi driver source20:37
AkatemikTak: friend's a dev, switched to 80020:37
keesjGPL gives freedom to the source , not the user :(20:37
* Tak nods20:38
TakI'd say GPL gives freedom to the user, not (necessarily) the developer20:38
Akatemikthose smug bastards get these for 99, brand new20:38
* Tak tries not to look like a smug bastard20:39
* Juhaz spots a smug bastard20:39
* koen is a smug bastard regardless of the discounts20:39
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tzz770 is a top seller on amazon at $300 today btw.  I thought that was interesting.20:44
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tkokoen, I see there's a difference between complying with the GPL and proactively making source available to the world20:46
koentko: there is20:46
koentko: but starting to nitpick about email not being a proper medium to ask is just pissing people off20:47
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tkokoen, dunno about email, but maemo-developers is not the proper recipient for such requests20:51
koentko: it seems to be, as the author of the code responds there20:51
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jeepersis there somewhere i can get an "official" package or source for the pdf viewer?20:52
koenso either don't respond, or stop playing silly games20:52
koenyou can't have both20:52
tkokoen, author of the code is not the one who's going to take care of shipping the sources.. the correct recipient is stated in the gpl offer20:53
tkothe list might work because many people read it, but in such cases it's more like an accident20:53
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tkofor example talking about the pdf-reader on the list probably won't get you far20:54
jeeperstko: YEAH!20:55
jeepersso how about that package for the reader?20:55
Veggenhmmf. does one accept the "EUSA" or what they called it? Does it in any way govern how I can release things developed with it?20:56
c0ffeejaffa pasted an uirl to the n800 sources earlier today20:56
keesjalso on the mailing list20:57
jeepersc0ffee: was that in response to the question about pdf reader sources?20:57
tko :)20:57
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jonnylambhey. i'm a little new to this. i got my n800 last night and am very impressed. there are a few things I want to help claer up though. could someone tell me where the code for libconic is.. i'm having a little trouble finding myself around on viewsvn..!21:01
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VeggenWhat does one need the EUSA binaries for?21:01
keesjtko, lol21:03
jeepersc0ffee: should i just be downloading the tar from or am i looking in the wrong spot?21:03
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jeepersc0ffee: is the pdf-viewer source contained in that tar?21:03
jeepersc0ffee: ok.. downloading... thanks again21:04
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nomisjeepers: someone already unpacked this.21:05
c0ffeeosso-pdf-viewer 1.3.49-221:05
Veggen(hmmf. to accept or not to accept)21:05
jeepersnomis: where is that?21:05
AkatemikJaffa: Loading sylpheed now :)21:05
nomisjeepers: dang. Looking for the link.21:06
Veggennothing on them when googling, either.21:07
jeepersnomis: thanks21:07
Veggensomeone must know something about the binary-only install one can choose (but is optional) in scratchbox?21:13
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keesjHi ssvb21:22
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AkatemikHmm, sylpheed isn't doing much with the imap-account...21:25
ssvbhi keesj21:25
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keesjssvb, done some nice things lately?21:29
Veggenkeesj: you have scratchbox installed, right?21:31
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keesjVeggen, plenty of them21:32
keesjnot 2.2 yet21:32
tzzcan anyone with a 770 please visit  I need the user agent string :)21:32
Veggenkeesh: hmm, not for N800 either?21:33
VeggenAnyone here who does?21:33
ssvbkeesj, no, I did not have much free time (for maemo related development) lately21:34
keesjwhat a shame21:34
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keesjufo is still as wip , does it need much work?21:36
tzzno one with a 770?  OK, I'll google it...21:36
Veggenkeesj: just wondering if I need the extra properietary binaries with restricted license, or if I can skip them. Don't expect to do much very advanced development.21:36
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ssvbkeesj: not really, it is almost ready for use21:37
tzzsurprising, wikipedia really does have everything.
keesjVeggen, I don't know , I just used the installer21:38
Veggenkeesj: but you're asked a question if you accept a license :)21:38
ssvbkeesj: the most important things are .deb packaging & adding gui for configuration (maemo games startup?)21:38
Veggenkeesj: (that is, towards the end of the sdk-installer)21:38
Veggenkeesj: Now, it sits there and wants me to type "I accept".21:39
keesjssvb, perhaps I can play around with it a bit (put it in mud)21:39
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Veggeni hate eula-type-things. And I'm no lawyer. I'd like to say no if these binaries are generally not needed :) (I can probably get them later)21:39
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keesjVeggen, I have not read the thing. I have not typed I accept , (it was a cut&paste error)21:43
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s-ndh-cdoes libhildonlgpl contain all hildon stuff? i mean all the special hildon widgets?21:44
tkos-ndh-c, depends on version, but you should look at hildon-libs rather21:44
s-ndh-ctko: in it200621:44
tkos-ndh-c, hildon-lgpl is either empty or contains a subset of widgets21:45
s-ndh-ctko: whats hildon-libs?21:45
tkothe package for hildon widgets21:45
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s-ndh-ctko: so this is somekind of merge?21:47
s-ndh-cand this hildon-1 thing is some future api i guess, it looks different than hildon-libs21:49
jeepersfor anyone keeping score or anyone searching the logs: the pdf-reader 1.3 source builds fine!!! :)21:50
jeepersThanks, nomis!21:50
jeepersmoral of the story: don't use 1.2 sources21:51
Takfor anyone searching the logs: I hate you21:51
tkook, short history. first we had hildon-lgpl and hildon-libs, then everything from hildon-lgpl was merged into hildon-libs, then we started the great cleanup and renamed hildon-libs to hildon (and dropped lots of crap)21:51
tkopoke MDK about hildon :)21:52
jeepersactually... correction -> pdf-viewer21:52
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s-ndh-ctko: ok i was just trying to figure out where to find the sourcecode of whatever librarys those widgets are in in it200621:54
jaekis it possible to edit the ppp chatscripts for the bluetooth network connections? i want it to use ssh to create a tunnel each time i connect to the net with my cell, and rip it down when the connection is dropped21:54
jeepersok... hopefully last issue with the pdf viewer:21:55
jaeki really dont get why they dont keep "os2006" up to date with "os2007"21:56
jeepersdoes anyone know if it is ok to force the install and disregard the depency upon osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr0?21:56
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jaekthey are almost identical platforms... right?21:56
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jaekby segragating the two devices, they are only hurting themselves beacuse there is going to be less software that works on both21:57
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jaekdevelopers will most likely only produce versions for their specific machine21:58
* jaek lets out a long drawn out sigh21:58
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AkatemikHmm, is it normal for the mail app to take a long time to fetch mail, or did it die when it saw how many messages are in my INBOX (trying to get mail work at all, after sylpheed didn't work)?21:59
jeeperspdf viewer install fails with "Package osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr0 is not installed."21:59
VeggenI wonder - would the N800 have oomph enough to do raw conversion of digital images?22:01
jeepersnomis: do you have a link for osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr0 and osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr22:01
jaekmail app sucks... it is horrific to use on a large IMAP folder22:01
Veggen<--have to try building dcraw and dependencies.22:01
nomisjeepers: nope.22:01
Akatemikjaek: Like a bit under 5000 messages?22:01
jeepersnomis: thanks anyway22:02
jaekAkatemik, i had like 600 messages and it was dirt slow22:02
jaekit would hang for like a minute just loading the inbox22:02
AkatemikI see. Might be that. It's just that the status bar is stuck in getting 1/4719...22:02
Akatemikjaek: What do you use then?22:02
jaekAkatemik, i just dont use it unless i really need to read my mail ;)22:03
AkatemikWhoa, mail app loaded the first 200 messages22:03
Akatemikjaek: So you don't have an alternative?22:03
jaekthey obviously dont have a real computer scientist working on the mail app... must be using horrific algorithims22:03
jaekAkatemik, i think there is another email client you can use, check the applications list22:03
Akatemikjaek: I found sylpheed, but that doesn't seem to do anything. Hard to know what goes wrong, but there are no messages, nothin, when trying to connect22:04
jaekeither that, or they didnt design it for people that dont clean out their mail box22:04
Akatemikmail app at least attempted, so it theoretically should work22:04
jaekAkatemik, i think your only solution would be to clean out your inbox then22:04
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jaeki dropped all messages that are dated >2007010122:05
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jaekless than... not greater than22:05
* jaek is full of complaints with maemo today22:05
Akatemikjaek: Could do. Before that I'll see if I can make mutt work nicely in offline mode22:05
jaeki just wish they made ONE PLATFORM TO RULE THEM ALL22:05
jaekthey take a small 3rd party community and cut it up even into smaller chunks22:06
jaekand i imagine that each device is going to have its own separate version of maemo?22:06
jaeknot to mention stop supporting the old machines, which i hate22:07
Takactually if you don't need platform-specific stuff like Xv, you can build binaries for the n800 in a mistral environment22:07
keesjjaek, there are plenty of platforms that rule them all22:07
jaekTak, but you cant design a 2007 maemo app that will work both ways22:07
AkatemikSylpheed needed me to say "Rebuild folder tree", and now it sees my mailbox22:07
jaekkeesj, you know what i mean... just not having to segragate the machines22:07
AkatemikNext step, SSL22:07
Taksure you can - you build it in a scratchbox with the mistral sdk22:08
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jaekTak, but then you cant use the features in os200722:08
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Takso you want nokia to never add new features?22:08
jaekthey should have seriously maintained a core of libraries that are shared, and only differentiate on platform when no other choice (web cam...)22:09
jaekso you write for one platform22:09
Akatemikjaek: Sylpheed seems to load about 23 messages / second22:09
jaekwho the eff wants to have to maintain separate versions of their programs just so they run on all tablets?22:09
AkatemikAfter three minutes I'll know is it dead or usable22:09
jaekAkatemik, it should be super fast if you are using IMAP cus it just needs to download headers22:10
AkatemikI sure hope it isn't downloading the body too...22:10
Takin the worst case, you don't maintain separate source trees, you just build N times22:10
Akatemikjaek: Yeah, if it indeed is downloading only headers... My desktop mutt loads the box in five seconds22:10
Takin the best case, you build once22:10
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jaekTak, if your app is for os2007, you cant build for os2006, can you?22:11
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suihkulokkijaek: why do you think so?22:11
jaeksuihkulokki, because the APIs arent the same?22:11
Takif different code is required for different platforms, you use a standard mechanism like autotools22:11
jaekand the environments are going to be different?22:11
Takthis is not the first time that people have written code to run on multiple platforms22:12
jaeki'm saying the developer shouldnt have to worry about that... maemo should be maemo22:12
suihkulokkijaek: nope. the apis enviroinments are almost identifical. Did you even check what apis changed?22:13
Takit's easy to say that - gnu/linux should be gnu/linux too22:13
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jaektrue, that was a bad statement22:13
jaeksuihkulokki, but if you do use anything that is different, then you have a problem22:13
suihkulokkijaek: still not true. you can allways pull in the updated library with dependencies if you really need it.22:14
jaeksure, you can write libc from strach if you want also22:15
Akatemikjaek: Ok, an almost 5k message folder in sylpheed, and working ok22:15
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AkatemikI'll keep testing how well it handles new mail, offline and so on22:15
suihkulokkijaek: the libc is same (minus some optimisations) on both versions..22:15
jaeksuihkulokki, it was just an anology22:15
jaekanyway, i just feel like they are going to drop support for the 770 and i'm stuck with a machine that cant run any new software22:16
suihkulokkijaek: really, before you start hanging the rope to the roof, you should consider how shared libraries and dependencies work on linux :)22:17
* jaek sighs....22:17
jaeksuihkulokki, "pull in the updated library" for your own app isnt conforming to your understanding of how shared libs works22:18
onionwell, it should work the linux(well debian) way to just "apt-get upgrade" and it would be running os200722:19
Fatalos2007 pooochuu22:19
jaekanyways, got go get to class, sorry for the ranting22:19
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jeepersok.. annoyance has set it... but i'm not going to rant.. no, sir...22:23
jeepersi finally got the full OS2007 source downloaded22:23
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jeepersand it only has the source for pdf-viewer... the one i got from nomis.22:23
jeepersthat package builds with a dependency upon osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr022:24
jeepersand osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr22:24
jeepersneither of which are in the tar or in any repository22:25
jeepersany glimmers of hope would be appreciated22:25
suihkulokkijeepers: you can remove the dependencies22:26
jeepersbut will that break something?22:26
tkosome packages are hidden from dpkg database, and it might include the l10n packages22:26
suihkulokkijeepers: l10n22:26
Takany mud builders here?22:26
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suihkulokkijeepers: aka. translations. but they are already installed on the device22:26
tkoso the files are probably present but dpkg doesn't know about the packages (which is by design, for better or worse)22:26
jeepersi'll try and force it without the dependencies... thanks again22:27
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Veggenok. dcraw was probably not useful ;)22:29
tkohmm, should poke gqil or someone about what's the point of not making all the (gpl) sources available for everyone.. I feel so silly to see other people host the sources22:32
nomisheh  :)22:33
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c0ffeeok ok22:36
c0ffeebt headset w0rks22:36
keesjI really wonder what people will do / think if the h9 is maemo based  (is that good or bad for nokia)22:36
keesjc0ffee, a phone headset?22:37
Takkeesj: got a sec for mud q?22:37
keesjTak, yes22:38
TakI'm trying to build tf with mud22:38
c0ffeeok, works is a bit much :)22:38
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TakI created tf.xml (identical to cal.xml)22:38
Taktinyfugue (mud client)22:38
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jeepersok.. it installed but fails to open. it shows up under Xephyr but fails to open22:39
jeepersi get this error on the console: maemo_af_desktop[4914]: We could not read lowmem page stats.22:39
Tak`mud build tf` fails because it can't find where to DL the tf sources22:39
Takbut `mud build cal` gets the cal sources (from the same place) fine22:40
TakI can pastebin some output if it'd be helpful22:40
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keesjTak, yes please22:41
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tkojeepers, I volunteer jobi to answer all your maemo_af_desktop problems :)22:43
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jeeperslol... i'm sure jobi will jump right on that22:43
keesjTak, can you paste it?22:43
Takgetting there22:43
TakI see what it is22:44
Taktf has been uploaded to mistral extras22:44
Takbut diff-only, so there's no source tarball for mud to grab there22:44
jeepersyeah... i'm not having a fun time here.22:44
jeeperssupposedly the binaries end up in /usr/bin but they aren't there...22:45
jeepersbut the app shows up in the maemo desktop in Xephyr...22:45
jeepersi don't know.22:45
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keesjTak, let me be your rubber duck22:46
Takoh, got it22:46
Takso is this a bug or a user error?22:46
keesjI don't know , let me try to get the source on  ubuntu22:47
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keesjTak, what version did you want? ubuntu gave me tf_4.0s1.orig.tar.gz and the sf website is at version 5.x22:51
Takthe ubuntu ver is fine22:51
TakI got it to build by commenting out the maemo repos in the mud sources.list22:51
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keesjTak,  perhaps you can try to add a <deb-src> field?22:55
keesjjust like libhttpfetcher22:55
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keesjhmm every time I run the command and extra repo is added to the source.list22:56
Takyeah, me too22:56
keesjthat is clearly a bug[tm]22:57
Takadding the deb-src line doesn't help22:57
keesjthis worked for me
Takwhat does your sources.list look like?22:59
keesjthis is the source list in build/source.list23:01
Takadd mistral repos to the top and try ;-)23:01
Takmistral garage extras specifically23:01
keesjyour building for the 770?23:02
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keesjmud first copies the /etc/apt/source.list23:03
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keesjTak, I will try again with the different sdk23:05
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keesjTak yep it works , do you want to test the package?23:08
keesjTak, do you have a garage email address?23:10
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keesjI still have my debian/xxx.install that is not working :(23:19
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keesjTak, I just sent a new xml file your way , do you care to test it?23:19
Taksorry, had an impromptu meeting ;-)23:21
Takby garage email address, you mean am I registered @ garage?23:22
Takyeah - you found it ;-)23:22
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Taksame problem with your xml23:25
Takhowever, the metadata addition is cool23:25
keesjcan you post your sources.list and sb version?23:27
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Takscratchbox is still 0.9.823:31
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keesjTak, I have the same setup , can you rm -rf build and try again?23:35
Taksame result23:35
keesjcan you paste your /etc/apt/source.list so I can just try the same?23:37
Takfirst 7 lines of previous paste23:37
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Tak is the output I get23:38
Takalthough I think the order of the top and bottom stuff is goofy due to some stderr/stdout weirdness23:39
keesjTak,  It would tak a debian expert to know if this is a bug or feature.23:42
keesjIt is not what I would like to happen :)23:43
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keesjTak: I added the file to the svn anyway I think is it a bug and should be fixed :p23:58

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