| garrett | tigert: do you know how to use mediastreamer? is there something that works on Linux or a Mac that it can read from? | 00:00 |
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| garrett | or is it some UI to a Windows-only thing? | 00:00 |
| nomis | grgh. dbus-dbg is just debug symbols. | 00:01 |
| tigert | garrett: gnu mediaserver | 00:01 |
| keesj | garrett there is http://www.gnu.org/software/gmediaserver/ it mostly works | 00:01 |
| tigert | works with it afaik | 00:01 |
| tigert | yeah | 00:01 |
| tigert | that one | 00:01 |
| tigert | itunes doesnt, as it is DAAP and mediastreamer does uPNP | 00:02 |
| tigert | UPnP even | 00:02 |
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| ferulo | garrett: I'd recommend you http://fuppes.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page | 00:07 |
| ferulo | is more stable than gmediaserver | 00:07 |
| maddler | has anyone any repo for N800? beside those already on wiki? | 00:08 |
| tigert | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM | 00:08 |
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| * nomis wonders if he should bring up his dbus-issues again... | 00:14 | |
| nomis | why doesn't dbus-send --session --print-reply /com/nokia/controlpanel/rpc com.nokia.controlpanel.rpc.run_applet string:disp_ap_application_title boolean:true work? | 00:14 |
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| maddler | open hand's Contacts is pretty good... | 00:22 |
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| nomis | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/statusbar.png | 00:24 |
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| garrett | maddler: it only shows a person's name for me | 00:26 |
| garrett | and a broken image | 00:26 |
| maddler | garrett: and looks like it can't correctly import VCFs... | 00:26 |
| garrett | oh, why does it take so long to change a background image? | 00:26 |
| maddler | sadly enough... | 00:26 |
| garrett | it changes it and just sits there with the cylon progress bar | 00:26 |
| nomis | garrett: yeah, thats weird. | 00:26 |
| garrett | and I'm like, "um... didn't the background change? what am I waiting for?" | 00:27 |
| nomis | tigert: is your theme available as an installable package? | 00:27 |
| garrett | nomis: he links to two debs | 00:28 |
| garrett | noir: it works well for me on my N800 | 00:28 |
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| Aleksandyr | ...great, wvWare doesn't work with whatever passes for glib on Maemo | 00:28 |
| maddler | yep... tigert... give us the deb! :D | 00:30 |
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| nomis | garrett: doh. /me feels stupid. | 00:30 |
| nomis | garrett: thanks. | 00:30 |
| garrett | nomis: it wasn't there at first; it's ok | 00:30 |
| garrett | and it's just a link to a page with links, essentially | 00:30 |
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| nomis | tigert: is the bright line in the topmost right edge intentional? It seems to end apruptly in the statusbar area. | 00:33 |
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| JoshTriplett | Does the Application Catalog work like a wiki, allowing any registered user to edit the metadata for any application? | 00:34 |
| nomis | tigert: oh, that differs a lot between desktop view and with some application open. | 00:35 |
| Tak | JoshTriplett: good question; I'll try | 00:35 |
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| Tak | JoshTriplett: apparently yes | 00:36 |
| Tak | I just edited the entry for cgoban | 00:36 |
| * Tak reverts | 00:36 | |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: Ah, actually, I think the one I want to edit has you as the maintainer; perhaps I should just ask you first, then. :) | 00:37 |
| Tak | LOL | 00:37 |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: xmame? | 00:37 |
| Tak | yeah | 00:37 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: License "Free (source available, Open Source license)": not so much. | 00:37 |
| Tak | well, the choices were basically "Free" or "Proprietary" | 00:38 |
| Tak | and, while xmame is not gpl, imo it's still an OSS license | 00:38 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: And it appears to show up in the "Garage Extras" channel under the "free" component. | 00:38 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: Not according to OSI, FSF, and Debian. | 00:38 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: It has source, true. | 00:39 |
| keesj | ~ # apt-get install xmoto | 00:39 |
| keesj | Reading package lists... Done | 00:39 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: But: "Redistributions may not be sold, nor may they be used in a commercial product or activity." | 00:39 |
| keesj | Segmentation faulty tree... 50% | 00:39 |
| keesj | wtf | 00:39 |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: And MAME itself has various other restrictions as well, IIRC. | 00:39 |
| keesj | JoshTriplett: sorry | 00:39 |
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| Tak | hmm | 00:40 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: I can understand that having to classify it as "proprietary" right next to stuff that doesn't even have source seems harsh. :) | 00:41 |
| Tak | how does the xmame license violate the OSI definition? | 00:41 |
| Tak | #6 ? | 00:41 |
| * JoshTriplett nods. | 00:41 | |
| JoshTriplett | "For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business," | 00:42 |
| * Tak files a feature request for more license options | 00:42 | |
| Tak | updated | 00:42 |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: Thank you. | 00:42 |
| Tak | np | 00:43 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: And yeah, dividing "proprietary" up with tags like "binary-only" versus "source", or "non-commercial" versus "no-modification", might make sense. | 00:43 |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: I think the origin of that issue with xmame comes from the days when they felt concerned about people selling CDs with xmame and a few hundred ROM images; "non-commercial" went along with "don't distribute with roms", and other things. Now, I think the clause mostly exists due to the logistical nightmare of relicensing software with numerous contributors. | 00:45 |
| * Tak nods | 00:46 | |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: Will that metadata change automatically move xmame from the "free" to the "non-free" component in the Garage Extras repository? | 00:48 |
| Tak | no, I'll have to re-upload to the extras repo | 00:48 |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: Well, thanks again for the trouble. | 00:50 |
| Tak | not a problem | 00:50 |
| Tak | errors should be fixed :-) | 00:50 |
| * JoshTriplett keeps a Notes window open on the N800 all the time, to quickly switch to and jot down notes. | 00:51 | |
| JoshTriplett | Maemo needs a reportbug. :) | 00:51 |
| JoshTriplett | s/notes/todo and bug items/, I mean. :) | 00:51 |
| nomis | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.controlpanel /com/nokia/controlpanel com.nokia.controlpanel.rpc.run_applet string:cpdisplay boolean:true | 00:52 |
| nomis | at least brings up the control panel, but not the display page. :-/ | 00:52 |
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| maddler | time to hit the bed here... | 00:54 |
| maddler | later dudes... | 00:54 |
| nomis | with --print-reply one unfortunately discovers, that the command is wrong though. | 00:54 |
| nomis | grgh. | 00:54 |
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| Tak | hmm, how do I tag a package non-free? | 00:59 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: Probably change debian/control and rebuild. | 00:59 |
| Tak | well yeah, but there's not a "free" field in debian/control currently | 01:00 |
| Tak | and google is being a worthless bitch | 01:00 |
| JoshTriplett | Hmmm. In Debian and similar, you typically see "games" versus "non-free/games" in "Section:". | 01:00 |
| ||cw | I don't think that's a flag, just a label | 01:00 |
| ||cw | or a repo | 01:00 |
| Tak | hmm - if my package is non-free/user/other , will the app manager install it? | 01:01 |
| Tak | dput.cf doesn't specify free/non-free either | 01:01 |
| ||cw | not sure that has anything to do with the package itself | 01:01 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: Possibly user/non-free/other; I dunno. | 01:01 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: Or possibly some other mechanism entirely. | 01:01 |
| JoshTriplett | I've only just started using Maemo; I haven't developed for it yet. :) | 01:01 |
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| Tak | heh, there's *nothing* in the bora or scirocco non-free pools | 01:02 |
| Tak | and the two non-free packages in mistral were put there by nokia employees | 01:04 |
| JoshTriplett | Tak: Do the two packages there have anything interesting in their control data? | 01:08 |
| Tak | not that I can see | 01:08 |
| Tak | one is Section: libs, and the other's user/multimedia | 01:09 |
| JoshTriplett | Huh. | 01:09 |
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| JoshTriplett | Tak: I found another source with non-free debs, and I don't see anything in their control files either. | 01:40 |
| JoshTriplett | Odd. | 01:40 |
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| Skyhusker | hi all | 01:41 |
| Skyhusker | has someone tried to make a GtkEntry insensitive on its "tap-and-hold" handler? it works inside scratchbox, but not in the N800 | 01:43 |
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| keesj | what cpu speed is the 770? | 01:51 |
| Skyhusker | 220 IIRC | 01:54 |
| Whiz | ~220? | 01:54 |
| dwd | keesj: 9.81m/s2 | 01:54 |
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| dwd | keesj: But only if you drop it. | 01:54 |
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| MoRpHeUz | is n800 capable of playing asf files ? | 02:01 |
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| |tbb| | nomis: still awake? | 02:01 |
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| nomis | |tbb|: yes | 02:03 |
| |tbb| | the screenshot u posted is from n770? | 02:03 |
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| JoshTriplett | MoRpHeUz: I dunno about the 770; I can check for the N800 if you give me an URL. | 02:05 |
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| MoRpHeUz | JoshTriplett: just a minute plz! =) | 02:07 |
| MoRpHeUz | will try to find one | 02:08 |
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| MoRpHeUz | JoshTriplett: couldnt find one...=( thanks for your help... | 02:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | (will keep trying to find it..) | 02:10 |
| nomis | |tbb|: no. | 02:11 |
| nomis | |tbb|: sorry for putting it into an existing directory with a confusing name. | 02:12 |
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| |tbb| | np | 02:13 |
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| cesman | MoRpHeUz: your best bet is to use media convertor or 770-encoder.pl | 02:39 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: hhmm...it's a "live tv"... | 02:39 |
| * cesman uses mythtv for livetv | 02:40 | |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: and you are able to watch it on 770 > | 02:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | ? | 02:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: that's exactly what I'm trying to do... | 02:41 |
| cesman | i use a wrapper around 770-encoder.pl to transcode the recording so I can take them on the go | 02:42 |
| cesman | I have a N800 | 02:42 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: could you send me the script/give more details ? that's exactly what I'm trying to do.. | 02:42 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 02:42 |
| cesman | there is also MythWebStream that can convert recording to flash | 02:42 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: I have mythtv with livetv and want to watch it on 770/800 | 02:43 |
| cesman | while I can view that on the n800, it isn't optimal | 02:43 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: with mythwebstream you mean ? | 02:43 |
| cesman | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/247076 | 02:43 |
| cesman | tell ya everything I did | 02:44 |
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| MoRpHeUz | cesman: thank you very much ;-) | 02:45 |
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| cesman | you're welcome | 02:45 |
| cesman | MoRpHeUz: any improvements you make, I'd be happy to look at them for inclusion in future KnoppMyth releases | 02:46 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: for sure ! | 02:46 |
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| MoRpHeUz | cesman: just to know, this script does not handle the live tv part right ? what do you use to send it ? vlc ? | 02:47 |
| cesman | MoRpHeUz: mythwebflash not stream | 02:47 |
| MoRpHeUz | ow ok | 02:47 |
| cesman | http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythWebFlash | 02:47 |
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| MoRpHeUz | cesman: thanks! | 02:49 |
| cesman | MoRpHeUz: mythtvstream can do live tv | 02:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: I'm looking at that code right now... | 02:50 |
| cesman | however it isn't tuned for the N770/800 | 02:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: they use vlc... | 02:50 |
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| MoRpHeUz | yeah.. | 02:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: thanks for all the help! =) | 02:50 |
| cesman | however I don't think it would be too different to optimize for the AVI that the N770/800 can handle | 02:51 |
| cesman | you're welcome | 02:51 |
| cesman | MoRpHeUz: what tuner card do you have? | 02:53 |
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| MoRpHeUz | cesman: it's not a good one hehe | 02:54 |
| cesman | hmmm...never heard of that brand ;) | 02:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: it's an analog one..made here in brazil... | 02:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: hahaha | 02:54 |
| cesman | as long as it works | 02:54 |
| cesman | my first tuner was an analog tuner | 02:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: =)...ow..the chipset is from aver media (www.aver.com) | 02:54 |
| cesman | you do use mythtv? | 02:55 |
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| MoRpHeUz | cesman: yeah! =) | 02:59 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: right now I'm working with it... | 02:59 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: check (http://gmyth.sf.net) | 02:59 |
| cesman | oh... | 03:00 |
| cesman | nice | 03:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 03:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: we can talk a lot about this mythtv stuff hehehe =) | 03:00 |
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| JoshTriplett | MoRpHeUz: That looks really promising. | 03:02 |
| MoRpHeUz | JoshTriplett: we hope so ;-) | 03:02 |
| MoRpHeUz | It does a lot of things right now, and I'm working on a way to watch live tv on 770/800 | 03:03 |
| JoshTriplett | MoRpHeUz: Unfortunately, you still need an MPEG-2 decoder if you have a hardware encoder. | 03:03 |
| MoRpHeUz | JoshTriplett: yeah...that's my problem...I need to transcode to a format so we can watch on the device... | 03:04 |
| axique_ | hi, has anyone a good tip how to play a mp3 file (from a python app) on the n800? gstreamer fails with: gst_pad_set_caps: assertion 'GST_IS_PAD (pad)' faile. | 03:04 |
| JoshTriplett | MoRpHeUz: That or figure out how to make a gst-plugins-mp2. :) | 03:04 |
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| cesman | MoRpHeUz: so, you can watch recorded programs?! | 03:05 |
| JoshTriplett | MoRpHeUz: Does your work integrate at all with the current feature of the N800 which shows "MythTV AV Media Server" under "Shared Media"? | 03:06 |
| JoshTriplett | MoRpHeUz: I noticed that when I first hooked up the device, and it navigated the recordings just fine; it just couldn't play them because it didn't understand the codec. | 03:06 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: yeah..and you can watch livetv also if you use gmyth on your PC... | 03:06 |
| MoRpHeUz | JoshTriplett: mythtv has a upnp server so any app that can work with upnp can show the "MythTV AV Media Server"... | 03:07 |
| * cesman have to play with it this weekend | 03:07 | |
| MoRpHeUz | JoshTriplett: canola does that, gmyth, ..... | 03:07 |
| * cesman may have to play with it this weekend | 03:08 | |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: gmyth just cant play livetv on the device (yet) hehe | 03:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | JoshTriplett: that problem is because you cant play mpeg2 files on the device... | 03:08 |
| JoshTriplett | MoRpHeUz: RIght. | 03:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 03:08 |
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| MoRpHeUz | let's see...as soon as I have a solution I'll tell you guys! =) | 03:12 |
| koos_ | axique_: why don't you use the osso-media-server via dbus? | 03:13 |
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| cesman | MoRpHeUz: cool! | 03:15 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 03:16 |
| cesman | I'll do my best to make sure KnoppMyth is Gmyth ready once I get the word | 03:16 |
| koos_ | hmm, my wifi on n800 is much worse than on the n770 | 03:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: that would be great! =) | 03:19 |
| cesman | :) | 03:19 |
| cesman | Open Source in action! | 03:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | haha! for sure!! ;-) | 03:19 |
| axique_ | koos_ i will try, did not know about it till now... | 03:19 |
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| axique_ | i just tought i have to use g streamer | 03:20 |
| axique_ | thanks | 03:20 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: right now I'm just not being able to stream a playlist from vlc... | 03:21 |
| koos_ | axique_: afaik, it's not documented but try run-standalone.sh dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.play_media string:file:///home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/Everyday.mp3 as a start | 03:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman: when it changes the current playlist item, the client stops...(even from my desktop)... | 03:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | (and I have already enabled that option: "keep stream output open") | 03:22 |
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| axique_ | koos_ thanks | 03:23 |
| cesman | responses will be slow | 03:23 |
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| neostrider | hello maemo people | 03:28 |
| JoshTriplett | koos_: How so? | 03:32 |
| JoshTriplett | koos_: (re: wifi) | 03:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | have to go now... | 03:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | see you on Monday! | 03:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | good night! =) | 03:33 |
| koos_ | JoshTriplett:speed, n880 only get to 100kb/s max and dropping often to 25. My 770 has a constant rate at 250kb/s | 03:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | cesman, JoshTriplett: just for your information: morpheuz@gmail.com ;-) | 03:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | see you! | 03:33 |
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| koos_ | (both running at the same time btw) | 03:34 |
| neostrider | good night people | 03:39 |
| axique_ | koos_ it works really nice, is there anywhere at least a little documentation? What I would need also is to repeat the track and to stop it...ist this as easy as playing? | 03:39 |
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| neostrider | 770 is not that slow =-P I just ran my raycaster demo on it...ran just like my 1.6 Ghz PC =-P | 03:40 |
| koos_ | axique_: Not that I know of (docs), but for stopping, use 'stop' instead of 'play_media url', likewise for pause | 03:42 |
| axique_ | koos_ thanks a lot for your help. good night | 03:43 |
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| neostrider | (indeed...the 770 seems quite fast on the right hands...) | 03:44 |
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| Markov | how much does twonkyvision cost?? | 04:01 |
| Markov | am i nuts or does it not say on the site? | 04:01 |
| Markov | are there any _good_ free upnp servers? | 04:01 |
| koos_ | can I already use sip or AIX w/ telepathy on N800? | 04:03 |
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| cesman | Markov: fuppes | 04:24 |
| cesman | Markov: fuppes.sf.net | 04:24 |
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| Markov | thanks cesman ! | 04:28 |
| Markov | do you ahve experience with it? | 04:28 |
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| cesman | yes | 04:33 |
| Markov | the interface is suhweet :) | 04:34 |
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| sri | does maemo have an irc client? :D | 05:12 |
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| cesman | sri: gaim | 05:14 |
| Pio | sri, xchat | 05:14 |
| sri | xchat for maemo? | 05:14 |
| Pio | yup | 05:14 |
| sri | gaim might be better.. | 05:14 |
| Pio | havent tried it | 05:14 |
| sri | more stuff for your memory :) | 05:15 |
| sri | if you know what I mean. | 05:15 |
| eeejay | is there a version of gaim for the n800? | 05:16 |
| cesman | yes | 05:16 |
| cesman | I have it installed | 05:16 |
| eeejay | in a repo? | 05:16 |
| * sri should set up his scratchbox stuff. | 05:16 | |
| cesman | yes, cannot recall which as I've lots of repos setup | 05:16 |
| eeejay | ah, ok | 05:17 |
| eeejay | couldn't find it, i'll look again | 05:17 |
| eeejay | is canola worth installing, or is it a resource hog? | 05:17 |
| sri | canoloa is? | 05:20 |
| sri | sorry, new to maemo :) | 05:20 |
| sri | ah, a media player. | 05:20 |
| sri | so I was looking at mediastreamer and it's UPnP support | 05:22 |
| * sri wanted to control mythtv from maemo | 05:22 | |
| sri | but apparently it doesn't work yet. | 05:22 |
| sri | but it seems you could easily write a python program that connects to the mythtv box and do the commands. | 05:22 |
| sri | does maemo's python support twisted? | 05:23 |
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| cesman | sri: what sort of control are you looking for? | 05:39 |
| cesman | sri: http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/68/54/ | 05:40 |
| cesman | works great here! | 05:40 |
| cesman | not that I use it much, but tested | 05:40 |
| pbrook | Hmm, that's not good. The sources in the maemo repository don't match the binaries. | 05:42 |
| pbrook | The binary is bluez-utils_3.7osso11, the source is only bluez-utils_3.7osso6 | 05:42 |
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| keesj | ping | 08:54 |
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| gnuite | Anybody have any idea why an apt-get update in my scratchbox won't resolve repository.maemo.org ? | 09:32 |
| gnuite | wget seems to resolve it fine ... | 09:33 |
| gnuite | And unfortunately, substituting the IP address isn't helping me (400 Bad Request) | 09:41 |
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| tigert | do you have some proxy or something in apt.conf? | 09:57 |
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| gnuite | No, I just finished running the maemo-provided scratchbox and sdk setup scripts | 10:00 |
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| gnuite | The only thing in my apt.conf.d is the gpg file (Acquire::gpgv::Options {"--ignore-time-conflict";};) | 10:02 |
| gnuite | file: works for the nokia bins, so I guess one option is to mirror repository.maemo.org . . . | 10:07 |
| * gnuite sighs... | 10:07 | |
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| kulve | gnuite: wget inside SB? | 10:19 |
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| Hydroxide | so, any idea where I can simply buy an RS-MMC to SD adapter so that I can use my Nokia 770's memory card in the N800? | 12:18 |
| Hydroxide | I don't have the adapter that came with it, but I think that was RS-MMC to some other kind of MMC, not to SD | 12:18 |
| Hydroxide | grr, the mailing lists say the original adapter would work. I hope I have it somewhere... | 12:20 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:36 |
| jurop88 | hi all | 12:36 |
| jurop88 | anybody knows if hildonDateEditor widget has signals (i.e. how to check when a date has changed?) | 12:37 |
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| svu | how could I _delete_ smtp server associated with some connection? if I clean the name, the button "Ok" gets disabled | 14:07 |
| ptman | which files get sourced by x terminal? | 14:08 |
| ptman | I want to use ssh-agent, and I can't figure out where I should start it | 14:08 |
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| skandaleras | Hi all :) , can I get gcc4.1 in a nokia 770? | 16:44 |
| c0ffee | why not? | 16:46 |
| skandaleras | Sorry, I'm a newbie, I'm looking in the maemo packages with "apt-cache search" and I only found the version 3.4 | 16:47 |
| skandaleras | I guess I need another deb repository | 16:47 |
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| keesj | skandaleras, I think there are big chances you will not succed :( | 16:48 |
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| c0ffee | yeah | 16:48 |
| Andy80 | hello | 16:48 |
| c0ffee | safest bet would be to compile it yourself :) | 16:48 |
| skandaleras | :_O | 16:48 |
| Andy80 | is maemo 2.2 compatible with OS2006? I mean... if I compile a software using 2.2 can this software run on my n770 too? | 16:50 |
| keesj | propbably even cross compile | 16:50 |
| skandaleras | thanks for your help, I'll keep on finding an easier way ;) | 16:50 |
| keesj | Andy80, as far a I understand this is what 2.2 is all about right? | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | uhm... no I don't understand :( | 16:51 |
| kulve | skandaleras: what are you doing? | 16:51 |
| skandaleras | I need gcc4.1 for some tests with VoIP | 16:52 |
| kulve | skandaleras: don't mess with the toolchains unless you really know what you are doing.. | 16:52 |
| skandaleras | kulve: I don't even know what's toolchains are :S | 16:52 |
| skandaleras | hahaha | 16:52 |
| kulve | gcc & friends | 16:53 |
| Andy80 | ah just a curiosity: what is that vertical 0-10 bar in wifiinfo? | 16:53 |
| keesj | 2.2 is a it2006 "builer" that works on the 1.0 scratchbox (that is how I understand it) | 16:53 |
| Andy80 | keesj: yes... I understand that scratchbox doesn't influence the compatibility... but os2006 is based on maemo. If, for example, someone makes big changes to maemo distro, for example the kernel, the gcc, the libc6 ecc... I don't know if it would be still compatible with os2006. Understand now? I only want to be sure that there's at least binary compatibility. | 16:57 |
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| pancake | hi* | 16:58 |
| pancake | where's the cpu-transparency tarball for the gregale? | 16:58 |
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| c0ffee | in the scratchbox r4 download directory | 17:02 |
| pancake | url? | 17:14 |
| pancake | can't find | 17:14 |
| pancake | cputransp-1.0.1 ? | 17:15 |
| c0ffee | http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-devkit-cputransp-1.0.1-i386.tar.gz | 17:15 |
| pancake | ok :) thank | 17:15 |
| pancake | s | 17:15 |
| pancake | d/l.. | 17:15 |
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| shackan | has granule been ported to the N800 yet? | 17:32 |
| shackan | it seems an awesome program on a mobile device | 17:32 |
| kkito | any news about canola on n800? | 17:38 |
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| Milhouse | OS 2007 for 770 now available - http://www.notacloud.com/blog/?p=27 | 17:52 |
| Milhouse | Canola on N800 news: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/2007/01/26/news-on-canola-for-the-n800/ | 17:52 |
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| Milhouse | Just announced it for you Carlos :) | 17:55 |
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| axique | hi, does anyone in here know how I have to encode a filename+path with spaces when I want to run os.system('run-standalone.sh dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.play_media string:file://'+(self.preferences['filename'])+' &') ? | 18:06 |
| carlosguerreiro | Hi | 18:07 |
| carlosguerreiro | A first release of OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition is now available for download. Details here: http://www.notacloud.com/blog/?p=27 | 18:08 |
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| ptman | axique: I guess spaces should be replaced with %20 | 18:10 |
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| snorkelyd | vertigo | 18:12 |
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| shackan | axique, why do you do the dbus call from python directly rather than calling dbus-send with a shell script invoked by a python program? | 18:14 |
| shackan | s/do/don\'t/ | 18:14 |
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| ptman | shackan: because it's in python and doesn't incur the overhead of launching a new process? | 18:15 |
| shackan | mm, os.system does create a new process indeed | 18:16 |
| ptman | argh... I'm sorry, my window wasn't scrolling | 18:16 |
| ptman | that's just what you were trying to say | 18:16 |
| axique | shackkkkkkkkkkkkan, could you give me a hint how to do this directly fro python? | 18:16 |
| axique | sorry my eyboard | 18:16 |
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| axique | shackan, can you give me a hint? | 18:16 |
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| nomis | axique: try os.execv or something like this. | 18:17 |
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| shackan | axique, you should import dbus and dbus.glib, then your command would be a one-liner http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html#python-invoking-methods | 18:17 |
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| koos_ | axique: I think you should use the lib also because then you can catch signals back from the mm-server like 'state_changed' for 'stopped'/'playing'/'paused'/'end_of_stream' | 18:21 |
| gnuite | I'm still having "Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'" issues with my "apt-get update" in scratchbox. It's not a DNS problem, as I can wget any of the files that it says it fails to fetch... | 18:28 |
| kkito | well my cps2 emu for n800 now has sound :) | 18:28 |
| Andy80 | the maemo updated tutorial (http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html) talks about this package: scratchbox-devkit-debian-1.0.7.tar.gz but the latest devikit-debian package available is 1.0.6 ... is it a mistake? | 18:28 |
| axique | koos_ thanks I'll try...will give you feedback | 18:30 |
| trenka_ | carlosguerreiro: could not you generate fiasco for the "hacked release" ? | 18:31 |
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| gnuite | Andy80: I think that must be a typo, because the INSTALL.txt file references "scratchbox-devkit-debian 1.0.6" | 18:33 |
| Andy80 | thanks gnuite | 18:34 |
| Andy80 | I'm installing Maemo 2.2 and Scratchbox from scratch, because I'm also writing a complete (in italian language) how to to install and configure Maemo SDK, so I need to be sure everything is right :) | 18:35 |
| Andy80 | anyway I try every step while I write the how to | 18:35 |
| gnuite | Hm, actually, I take that back... the INSTALL.txt file for 2.2 _does_ call for scratchbox-devkit-debian-1.0.7.tar.gz | 18:35 |
| koen | gnuite: is there a reason why maemo-mapper uses the localtime in the gpx tracks instead of the gps time? | 18:36 |
| Andy80 | gnuite: yes but 1.0.7 devkit-debian doesn't exist... neither in tar.gz nor in .deb version | 18:36 |
| koen | gnuite: it took me a while to figure out that mm was using the (incorrect) local time instead of the (correct) time derived from the gps | 18:37 |
| gnuite | koen: Because maemo-mapper doesn't parse and keep track of time. | 18:37 |
| gnuite | Not that it couldn't... I just didn't think it necessary. | 18:37 |
| melmoth | Grmblblblblbl, i think dbus/osso and desktopn integration will drive me mad... | 18:37 |
| ptman | now that there are more people here, I'll have to ask again. Is there a shell script which runs in the parent process of all user processes? I would like to use ssh-agent, but I don't quite know where to start it | 18:37 |
| ptman | user processes meaning processes run as the user "user" | 18:37 |
| koen | gnuite: it leads to nasty surprises when using mm's gpx tracks for geotagging pictures | 18:37 |
| koen | gnuite: and I need to send in an update for the dutch translation, someone translated 'route' and 'track' to the same word, leading to a duplicate menu-entry | 18:38 |
| gnuite | koen: Yeah, I can understand that... I'll look into parsing the time from the GPS receiver... | 18:39 |
| pbrook | ptman: .profile should, but it relies on your terminal emulator giving you a login shell. osso-xterm appears to be broken in that respect. | 18:39 |
| gnuite | It's bound to more accurate than the nokia 770's shitty internal clock | 18:39 |
| koen | gnuite: the info screen already displays gps time, so I thought mm already used it somewhere | 18:39 |
| gnuite | koen: Sounds like a fuzzy translation... | 18:40 |
| kkito | do you know if there are an armv6 asm memcpy, memset implementations? | 18:41 |
| ptman | pbrook: but .profile Isn't goog enough, I have it there now, and three different instances of ssh-agent are started, even though I export SSH_AGENT_PID and only launch ssh-agent if it isn't defined | 18:41 |
| pbrook | ptman: https://nowt.dyndns.org/recover_agent | 18:42 |
| pbrook | Will retrieve information about an existing ssh-agent. | 18:42 |
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| ptman | Ah, thank you. I'm thankful | 18:43 |
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| ptman | err.. grateful | 18:44 |
| pbrook | That version of the script braks if there's more than one user has ssh-agent running. The fixed version adds "-u user" to the find commands. It's removed because the n800 "find" implementation doesn't support -user. | 18:45 |
| pbrook | I'm sure there are other ways of fixing it, but I didn't bother as there's only ever one user on my n800 ;-) | 18:46 |
| melmoth | Any idea why i always have a "maemo_af_desktop[20689]: We could not read lowmem page stats." error message in scrtachbox whenever i try to launch an application with the GUI ? | 18:46 |
| melmoth | Exxcept of course, witht he tutorial example | 18:46 |
| melmoth | i try to make another one, and i cannot understand what s wrong... | 18:47 |
| tko | melmoth, it's probably just a silly note about certain /proc entries which only exist on the device | 18:52 |
| axique | melmoth I had the same problem, as far as i see it, you must not have a typo in the icon bas64 encoding | 18:53 |
| axique | I started from gpodder -> changed step by step to my program and now everything works | 18:54 |
| melmoth | same stuff withou an icon. | 18:55 |
| melmoth | Right now, i just try the simpliest stuff possible, a python script , a desktop entry , and a dbus service entry | 18:55 |
| melmoth | as i do not want to confuse all the namespace (application name, service name, and so on) all stuff i have to name are called 'pierre' | 18:56 |
| axique | then I don't know it...much luck | 18:57 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 18:57 |
| Andy80 | another error on the official 2.2 tutorial: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-minimal-rootstrap.tgz doesn't exist | 18:58 |
| Andy80 | this is the correct url: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz | 18:59 |
| axique | again the dbus-problem...please can anyone help me again... | 18:59 |
| gnuite | Well, my "could not resolve" problems in scratchbox are not limited to apt-get update, it seems... svn can't resolve hostnames either... | 19:00 |
| axique | the console code was: os.system("run-standalone.sh dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.play_media string:'file://"+(self.preferences['filename'])+"' &") | 19:00 |
| axique | my python code (after intialicing osso, osso_rpc):self.osso_rpc.rpc_run("com.nokia.osso_media_server","/com/nokia/osso_media_server","com.nokia.osso_media_server", "com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.play_media",("string:'file://"+(self.preferences['filename'])+"'",)) | 19:00 |
| Andy80 | gnuite: check your ...../etc/resolv.conf | 19:00 |
| gnuite | yeah, it looks fine | 19:00 |
| gnuite | wget works | 19:01 |
| axique | but I get | 19:01 |
| axique | 10460: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_member (method)" failed in file dbus-message.c line 800. | 19:01 |
| axique | This is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library. | 19:01 |
| axique | what did I wrogn? | 19:01 |
| gnuite | why does wget work? | 19:01 |
| Andy80 | gnuite: then don't know, sorry :( | 19:02 |
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| garrett | hey all | 19:02 |
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| melmoth | im going mad with this desktop stuff... | 19:15 |
| melmoth | Why is there no debugging available as to what s going on ? | 19:15 |
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| axique | i got it working...no dbus problems anymore | 19:22 |
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| gnuite | Does anyone know how, in a Makefile, to differentiate between the two arm processors (770's and N800's), for optimization purposes? | 19:24 |
| gnuite | in scratchbox... | 19:25 |
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| tko | gnuite, in general, don't try. use something explicit, like ./configure --enable-optimize-for=n800 or rely on caller setting CFLAGS properly or similar | 19:26 |
| gnuite | all right, thanks tko... Do you happen to know the best mcpu/march for the N800? I'm guessing "-march=armv6j -mcpu=arm1136jfs", although the march might be unnecessary? | 19:28 |
| pbrook | -mcpu implies -march. There's no point specifying both. | 19:30 |
| melmoth | Grumble, i still cannot make it works...if anybody could give me an hint at what s wrong with my .desktop file (or dbus service file).... | 19:30 |
| melmoth | http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/maemosword/rapier/?C=M;O=A | 19:30 |
| pbrook | Note that armv6 binaries won't work under scratchbox/qemu. | 19:30 |
| tko | gnuite, nope.. | 19:30 |
| melmoth | this would be..much appreciated, because i m completly lost now. | 19:30 |
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| pbrook | gnuite: In practive there's very little difference between the processors. | 19:31 |
| Disconnect | isn't there an fpu in the n800? that can make a huge difference | 19:32 |
| pbrook | The main difference is that the n800 has a FPU, the n700 does not. Nost existig software doesn't use te FPU though. | 19:32 |
| pbrook | "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softp" will tell gcc to generate hard-float code. The ABI is the same, so you can mix+atch. | 19:33 |
| Disconnect | for as long as i can remember, devs have been blaming arm performance problems on the lack of fpu. (on things like ipaqs and zaurii) course, its a cop-out, but still.. | 19:33 |
| pbrook | I've no idea if the n800 kernel supports VFP properly. | 19:33 |
| tko | be aware that constantly switching between vfp and thumb code (most of the existing libraries) can actually be slower than all thumb | 19:34 |
| pbrook | The hardware bounces to the kernel for things like denormals, and the initial linux implementation of the bounce handler was fairly crap. | 19:34 |
| pbrook | tko: Swithing between arm and thumb has no overhead. | 19:34 |
| zuh | tko: is there a list of things that are compiled with thumb/vfp/whatnot? | 19:34 |
| tko | pbrook, overflows icache | 19:35 |
| gnuite | should we be using -mthumb, then? | 19:35 |
| pbrook | tko: Huh? | 19:35 |
| pbrook | VFP code is likely to be significantly smaller than the equivalend soft-float code. | 19:36 |
| tko | zuh, we probably have it internally somewhere.. there'd be a bug trace from gtk if you felt motivated | 19:36 |
| suihkulokki | pbrook: otoh there is not much code using floats in the first place | 19:36 |
| tko | pbrook, feel free to recompile gtk and pango with vfp enabled and see what happens to bootup time | 19:36 |
| pbrook | tko: There are two things that could cause slowness: Additional overhead for context switching, and bigger code because you're builfing in ARM mode. | 19:38 |
| pbrook | ARM code may be slower, but that's just because it's bigger. It makes no difference whether it's mixed with thumb or all arm. | 19:40 |
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| tko | pbrook, well, that's the explanation I got after enabling vfp for gtk (and pango) .. originally when thumb was enabled (from default non-vfp mode) we took a slight performance hit | 19:42 |
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| pbrook | tko: Sure. If you rebuild thumb code as vfp (which implies arm mode) it'll end up bigger and slower. | 19:43 |
| pbrook | You said the slowdown comes from mixing vfp+thumb, which is wrong. | 19:43 |
| pbrook | Using a mix of thumb+vfp is actually wat you want: Use vfp for anything that spends a significant amount of time doing FP math, and thumb for everything else. | 19:44 |
| pbrook | I can believe that gtk comes under "everything else". | 19:45 |
| tko | we started from non-thumb non-vfp compilation, switched to thumb non-vfp and got small performance hit, switched to non-thumb vfp and got another performance hit | 19:45 |
| pbrook | Oh. Your comment about icache is completely bogus then. | 19:46 |
| tko | don't kick the messenger | 19:46 |
| zuh | Does that "compilation" mean the whole stack or just gtk? | 19:47 |
| pbrook | I'd guess it's the context swith/lazy FP traps that are killing you. | 19:47 |
| tko | gtk+pango only | 19:47 |
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| tko | everything else is mostly thumb | 19:48 |
| tko | I'm sure there's an objdump invocation one could use to figure out what's thumb and what's not | 19:48 |
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| maddler | hey all! | 20:30 |
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| nomis | maddler: hi | 20:31 |
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| * matt_c wonders out loud what the best IRC client for the N800 is. | 20:36 | |
| matt_c | (I suppose that I should see if the IT2006 build of irssi works | 20:37 |
| matt_c | ) | 20:37 |
| garrett | xchat is ok | 20:37 |
| trenka | garrett: how about adopting xchat's dialogs for our device. Is it ok? | 20:41 |
| garrett | that would be nice if someone did that (: | 20:42 |
| gnuite | I have no idea what's wrong with my scratchbox's apt-get ... getaddrinfo() works fine in a test program I wrote, but not in apt-get... | 20:42 |
| gnuite | maybe my mistake was using the maemo-provided setup scripts... I guess I can try to re-install scratchbox manually... | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | gnuite: what's the problem, apt-get cannot resolve hostnames? | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | are you running ubuntu feisty perhaps? | 20:43 |
| gnuite | mgedmin: Yes, exactly... running etch... wget seems to work... | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | a bunch of folks had the problem with /etc/nssswitch.conf | 20:43 |
| gnuite | in scratchbox or outside? | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | it tries to use mdns (avahi/zeroconf stuff) that is not available inside scratchbox | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | the fix is to change nsswitch.conf to have hosts: files dns | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | without the mdns bits | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | time to make this a FAQ somewhere | 20:44 |
| gnuite | outside scratchbox, right? | 20:45 |
| garrett | hmm, I wonder if there is a way to tweak the buffer settings for the media player's streaming stuff | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | gnuite: no | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | don't touch the system's nsswitch.conf | 20:46 |
| garrett | seems like I need to increase the buffer just a little bit | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | fix the one inside scratchbox | 20:46 |
| maddler | matt_c: irssi! :D | 20:46 |
| gnuite | the one in scratchbox doesn't mention mdns... | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 20:47 |
| matt_c | maddler: but of course :) | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | maybe check resolv.conf then? | 20:47 |
| gnuite | well, that's the funny thing... no matter what's in /etc/resolv.conf, wget still works, but apt-get doesn't... svn doesn't work, either, by the way... | 20:48 |
| nomis | don't mess with /etc/resolv.conf. Otherwise the dnsmasq stuff won't work properly. | 20:48 |
| nomis | (at least thats my experience from the 770) | 20:49 |
| gnuite | so leave it at "nameserver 127.0.0.1"? | 20:49 |
| nomis | yep. | 20:49 |
| nomis | I forgot where dnsmasq has its configuration, but once you hardcode something in your resolv.conf e.g. switching networks then depends if this nameserver is reachable. | 20:50 |
| gnuite | does this apply to scratchbox, too, or just on the device? | 20:51 |
| nomis | no idea about scratchbox. | 20:51 |
| nomis | probably not, not sure. | 20:51 |
| nomis | (at least I did not notice a dnsmasq process in the output of ps yet) | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | afair scratchbox doesn't have dnsmasq | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | the installer copies the system-wide resolv.conf into each target | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | which does not work too well if you have dhcp and move between networks | 20:52 |
| gnuite | more info: my test program (which uses getaddrinfo) does seem to be affected by /etc/resolv.conf, although wget is not... | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | strange that wget works, but apt doesn't | 20:52 |
| gnuite | funny, the installer did not copy the system-wide resolv.conf into my targets... | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | maybe there's a proxy configured somewhere in apt.conf? | 20:53 |
| gnuite | I wonder if my install got screwed up somehow | 20:53 |
| gnuite | no proxy that I can find... the only thing in apt.conf.d is 50gpgv | 20:54 |
| gnuite | I wish scratchbox had ping... is it available in the repository somewhere? | 20:55 |
| garrett | ping would be nice | 20:55 |
| suihkulokki | ping needs r00t | 20:55 |
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| mgedmin | that's why have the suid bit ;) | 20:57 |
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| gnuite | adding repository.maemo.org to /etc/hosts has no effect... what is going on!? | 21:06 |
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| tko | hmm, gossip for maemo.. why? :) | 21:09 |
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| suihkulokki | gnuite: see /scratchbox/etc/hosts and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 21:11 |
| gnuite | the ones that point to be system (outside scratchbox) ? | 21:12 |
| gnuite | s/to be/to my/ | 21:12 |
| *** qgil changes topic to "Maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | Developer Device Progarm is over, thanks to everybody | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/" | 21:13 | |
| gnuite | suihkulokki: What about them? | 21:13 |
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| gnuite | well, apt-get can resolve localhost... I guess that's good... ? | 21:14 |
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| gnuite | but it can't resolve anything else in /etc/hosts | 21:16 |
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| gnuite | Does "400 URI Failure" mean anything? strace -f revealed it being passed between threads, but I don't know what to make of it | 21:29 |
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| nomis | heh, google brings up stuff about Uri Geller... | 21:35 |
| MoRpHeUz | anybody from canada here ? | 21:36 |
| MoRpHeUz | I need to know where I can buy an n800 at canada... | 21:36 |
| suihkulokki | gnuite: those files are the ones x86 binaries use to resolv | 21:37 |
| gnuite | suihkulokki: Okay... all of my resolv.conf files are the same... | 21:39 |
| gnuite | I've tried everything that I can think of... I still don't know why apt-get and svn can't resolve names when wget and my simple getaddrinfo() program work fine... I give up... I can't set up the maemo 3.0 SDK on my machine... | 21:42 |
| gnuite | I've wasted 8 hours of my life so far; I won't waste any more. | 21:43 |
| gnuite | Back to scratchbox 0.9.8! Woo ha! | 21:43 |
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| gnuite | Thanks for the help, everyone. I know you tried. :( | 21:44 |
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| makuchaku | Hello :) I was looking at the Sardine page... what is HAF? How does one expands it? | 21:54 |
| Milhouse | morpheuz: Check http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3897 | 21:55 |
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| nomis | makuchaku: "Hildon Application Framework" | 21:56 |
| makuchaku | nomis: blah! Thanks... i'm going nuts i think... :) | 21:56 |
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| tko | it might help if someone not knowing much about sardine came up with an outline for the pages to make them more understandable. we should be able to find people to fill in the blanks then | 22:01 |
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| qgil | tko: one day I will go through all the somewhat official pages at maemo.org, if that helps | 22:10 |
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| tko | qgil, oh, it probably will | 22:11 |
| c0ffee | qgil \o/ | 22:11 |
| tko | I think a lot could be achieved by having someone sit down and try to figure out the big picture for documentation and then go poke the right people for the details | 22:12 |
| qgil | c0ffee: how should I interpret that ascii icon? | 22:12 |
| c0ffee | as somebody waving with both hands :) | 22:12 |
| tko | we don't suck on details, we suck on organizing the details :) | 22:12 |
| tko | well, at least I mostly do | 22:12 |
| eeejay | y | 22:12 |
| qgil | c0ffee: weird, I saw two hands around ashouting mouth... | 22:12 |
| c0ffee | anyway :) | 22:13 |
| c0ffee | who's responsible for the restricted download areas on maemo.org? | 22:13 |
| qgil | tko: I suck at planning the organization of details | 22:13 |
| c0ffee | i'm told that there's a new bt firmware blob for the 770 that should appear there soon, if the responsible person puts it up | 22:14 |
| qgil | c0ffee: what you mean? | 22:14 |
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| c0ffee | the restricted download are? you know, where you have to enter your mac address to download the fiasco image etc | 22:14 |
| c0ffee | area | 22:15 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:15 |
| qgil | c0ffee: I'm not as clever as ferenc, but I would say that the bt firmware or whatever new code gets in need to wait to a next release of a full image | 22:16 |
| qgil | c0ffee: it's not like sardine, I mean, where certain people have commit rights and that's it | 22:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | Milhouse: thanks! =) | 22:17 |
| c0ffee | so i should bug ferenc, right :) | 22:17 |
| qgil | c0ffee: those "restricted downloads" are downloaded under a EUSA (End User Software Agreement) between the user and Nokia, this implies a lot of internal revision that goes even beyond ferenc's long hands - but it's true that ferenc is closer to an answer than useless me | 22:19 |
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| tko | that reminds me, is the full n800 source download page linked in any visible way in maemo.org or tableteer? | 22:19 |
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| c0ffee | i just know of an url for the 770 sources | 22:19 |
| tko | c0ffee, was that somewhere visible? | 22:20 |
| c0ffee | let me check where i got it from | 22:20 |
| tko | well, I was interested in a link trace that starts from http://maemo.org/ .. | 22:22 |
| c0ffee | http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/ is the url | 22:23 |
| c0ffee | but it don't think that's linked somewhere official | 22:23 |
| tko | ah, I knew that, but it's unofficial | 22:23 |
| tko | you can get the full sources from maemo.org also, but I haven't figured out how one would find the link | 22:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | Milhouse: is there Frys's stores in Canada ? | 22:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | (my contact will be in Toronto) | 22:24 |
| c0ffee | the maemo link structure could use some input from an usability export anyway | 22:24 |
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| maddler | dum dee daaaa... | 22:40 |
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| tko | nomis, you can always ask.. tigert here does the plankton theme, it might be possible | 22:42 |
| tko | (more appropriate channel that gtk :) | 22:43 |
| nomis | yeah :) | 22:43 |
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| nomis | just popped in my mind when these questions about exposing etc. came up. | 22:43 |
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| nomis | heh, I could just cannibalize the pixmaps for the big clock :) | 22:45 |
| MDK | re | 22:45 |
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| snorkelyd | pempemwww.google.com | 22:50 |
| tko | MDK, do you happen to have mdk@maemo.org address? it would be much easier to use when assigning bugs to you :) until we get a bugzilla upgrade at least | 22:50 |
| snorkelyd | pack | 22:52 |
| MDK | tko: I didn't know we have such addresses even | 22:52 |
| tko | why am I not surprised... | 22:53 |
| MDK | ;) | 22:54 |
| qgil | a post-it reading "@maemo.org usage policy" is stick in my nearest wall at the office... (if that helps) | 22:55 |
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| tko | even qgil knew that, so it must be your fault ;-) | 22:55 |
| qgil | well, you only need to read the mailing lists :) | 22:55 |
| MDK | I actually try... | 22:57 |
| MDK | but there is a bit too much trafic recently | 22:57 |
| MDK | the idea of splitting the lists is good | 22:57 |
| qgil | MDK: should I deduce then that you filter automatically all the emails coming from ferenc? ;) | 22:58 |
| MDK | hmm | 22:59 |
| MDK | all my mailing list traffic goes to a separate place... | 22:59 |
| qgil | oh, and even my emails as well, since I used sometimes a @maemo.org address as well | 22:59 |
| MDK | I look there from time to time... | 22:59 |
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| MDK | but usually I can't get the 'unread' count below 50 ;) | 23:00 |
| qgil | in months like January, 50 is a good mark | 23:00 |
| MDK | it's actually amazing to me, how much people are interested in the hardware | 23:01 |
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| MDK | I mean, most of the stuff seems to be related to hardware | 23:01 |
| qgil | tko, what do you think about the 3 lists proposal? (you can answer via voice on Monday, if you feel bored) | 23:01 |
| desrt | qgil; word up. | 23:01 |
| MDK | like SD card max capacity support etc. | 23:01 |
| tko | MDK, vocal minority I suppose | 23:02 |
| qgil | MDK: these come mostly from users, and users deal with things they can touch | 23:02 |
| tko | qgil, hmm, let me recheck the details | 23:02 |
| qgil | desrt: hi | 23:02 |
| desrt | qgil; thanks for seeing that i made it onto the "nice" list instead of "naughty" :) | 23:02 |
| MDK | I have nothing against hw questions, but would be good to have a separate place for them | 23:03 |
| MDK | since maemo is a 'development platform' => software | 23:03 |
| * qgil mumbles why everybody is so criptic with me today | 23:03 | |
| MDK | or maybe it was 'internet tablet os' | 23:03 |
| MDK | or whatever | 23:03 |
| desrt | qgil; n800 dev programme :p | 23:03 |
| desrt | like santas "naughty" and "nice" list :) | 23:03 |
| Robot101 | lol | 23:03 |
| * MDK is lost in the naming | 23:03 | |
| desrt | see? rob understands :p | 23:04 |
| qgil | MDK: if a memroy card bigger than 2Gb is not supported it's a softare problem | 23:04 |
| qgil | since the 4Gb cards fit in the hole as well ;) | 23:04 |
| Robot101 | desrt: but I cheated, I was already on the list of elves. :) | 23:04 |
| tko | hrm, ephy didn't like the proposal and got all screwy | 23:04 |
| desrt | qgil; you know there's a new SD-HD (high density, i think) standard that's incompat with original SD... | 23:04 |
| qgil | desrt: right, I missed the cultural background of the Santa thing | 23:04 |
| desrt | qgil; same size cards. different spec. | 23:05 |
| desrt | qgil; it kicks in at 8GB, i think | 23:05 |
| jtra | my 770 have just rebooted (for no obvious reason) :( | 23:05 |
| desrt | Robot101; now that's interesting. | 23:06 |
| MDK | jtra: that happens | 23:06 |
| pbrook | desrt: I think many 4G cards are also SD-HD. One of the differences is that they're fat32 formatted by default, which is required for >2gb partitions. | 23:06 |
| MDK | jtra: post to the mailing list, since our people don't want to believe it really happens | 23:06 |
| MacSlow | hi MDK, qgil | 23:07 |
| jtra | MDK: about twice a week for me | 23:07 |
| MacSlow | hey desrt | 23:07 |
| desrt | MacSlow; hello :) | 23:07 |
| jtra | and this time wifi was not active | 23:07 |
| MDK | hey MacSlow | 23:07 |
| qgil | MDK: don be so cruel, our people know very well that it happens, they test a lot | 23:07 |
| tko | qgil, there's also internettablettalk forums we should probably consider.. I noticed they also have a developer section which I think is a bad idea | 23:07 |
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| MacSlow | MDK, is there a special trick needed to get hildeon to not try to "precache" everything? | 23:08 |
| qgil | tko: well, yes, but first we need to define a consistent maemo offer, and then we will see how we "negotiate" with "the outside" (if apprpriate) | 23:08 |
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| MDK | MacSlow: precache? | 23:08 |
| qgil | hi MacSlow | 23:09 |
| tko | in general I agree on the idea that we should (at least) separate platform developers from application developers from users, but as MDK pointed out, probably also somehow try to separate product discussions from the platform/apps development | 23:09 |
| MacSlow | MDK, well... I've tried to get a simple spinning bar (drawn via cairo) but it does not even work within the Apophis-environment on my laptop | 23:09 |
| jtra | bootreason says '32wd to' | 23:10 |
| MDK | MacSlow: but what do you mean by 'precache' ? | 23:10 |
| MacSlow | MDK, since I want to for some... say 20 fps... I call gtk_widget_queue_draw() in a timed handler... but for some reason yet unknow to me that does not work | 23:10 |
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| MDK | ah | 23:10 |
| MDK | tko: remember this one? | 23:10 |
| tko | qgil, my understanding is that maemo.org is about development, end users in tableteer or itt.. then again, the application catalog and not so useful tableteer site are making the picture fuzzy | 23:10 |
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| MDK | MacSlow: we've got some hack in xserver, I think | 23:10 |
| qgil | tko: agreed | 23:11 |
| thomas_ | Hi. someone posted european links some time ago for 8 GB SDHC cards - anyone have them ? | 23:11 |
| MDK | but I'm not really sure | 23:11 |
| MacSlow | MDK, I must have missed some crucial info in the hildeon docs | 23:11 |
| MDK | it shouldn't happen in the sbox | 23:11 |
| thomas_ | I'm finding good prices on newegg.com but not sure if they ship to europe | 23:11 |
| MacSlow | MDK, I just don't understand how the canola folks got the anims done | 23:11 |
| MDK | daniels would now the answer, but AFAIK we somehow limit the fps to 14 | 23:11 |
| MDK | *know | 23:11 |
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| MDK | MacSlow: canola folks use SDL | 23:12 |
| MacSlow | MDK, well ok 14 fps... as long as it just animates :) | 23:12 |
| MacSlow | MDK, ah SDK ok | 23:12 |
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| MDK | afaik this hack is going away anyways | 23:12 |
| MacSlow | I guess my "thing" I have here is still to heavy for the N800 anyway | 23:12 |
| tko | MacSlow, gtk_widget_queue_draw() most definitely should work on gtk level, but as MDK put it, we're probably doing something funny in the xserver | 23:12 |
| MacSlow | to bad I wish I could put the "thing" here to the N800... just for the fun/look of it | 23:13 |
| MDK | MacSlow: on the desktop, when you draw in the expose event, you can be sure the thing will appear on the screen (somehow) | 23:14 |
| MDK | in our setup/X mod, you can't be sure of that | 23:14 |
| MDK | something you draw in expose might not make it to the actual screen | 23:14 |
| MDK | if you draw too fast, you actually get nothing displayed | 23:14 |
| MDK | draw too fast -> too many expose events | 23:14 |
| MDK | you should try hard-limiting the fps | 23:15 |
| MacSlow | well I guess it is just to much to sort out for me (maemo/hildeon greenhorn) to justify doing this "gag" | 23:15 |
| qgil | MacSlow: are you trying to make the N800 screen show one of your jumps - I'm afraid our hardware is still not prepared to taht ;) | 23:15 |
| MacSlow | qgil, no... :) | 23:15 |
| MacSlow | qgil, it's just some cairo thing I'm doing for fosdem | 23:15 |
| MacSlow | and it would have been nice to control show it on the N800 with the touchscreen | 23:16 |
| MacSlow | but as it is alreay pretty heavy (still) for the laptop here... it might be much too much for the N800 | 23:16 |
| qgil | MacSlow: make a video, broadcast it via vnc and mave the hand here and there while speaking ;) | 23:17 |
| MacSlow | and even if I got it going... the 14 fps restriction would make the anims and fades look nasty | 23:17 |
| MacSlow | qgil, that's very nasty cheating... we don't need this :) | 23:17 |
| MDK | MacSlow: are you planning to go to LRL this year? | 23:18 |
| qgil | the qgil that said that sentence is NOT the qgil working at Nokia but the qgil formerly coordinator of FLOSS events ;) | 23:18 |
| MacSlow | MDK, well I would like to for sure... but don't think I will be able to afford it | 23:18 |
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| MDK | haha | 23:22 |
| MDK | MacSlow: i somehow just recalled that apple-girl | 23:23 |
| MDK | from LRL last year | 23:23 |
| MDK | it seems so surreal today | 23:23 |
| MacSlow | MDK, well her father was at apple not herself :) | 23:23 |
| MDK | yeah yeah | 23:23 |
| MDK | I think she was screwing us in | 23:24 |
| MacSlow | MDK, maybe... maybe not | 23:24 |
| MDK | whatever | 23:24 |
| MacSlow | at least she had good music-taste :) | 23:24 |
| MDK | one can see it http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldominic/198322999/in/set-72157594211911382/ here | 23:27 |
| MDK | you seem to be sharing the taste | 23:27 |
| qgil | I see | 23:30 |
| MacSlow | MDK, that's why I said that she had good music-taste :) | 23:32 |
| tigert | hi quim | 23:33 |
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| qgil | hi tigert | 23:59 |
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