| Streg | download the software and follow the instructions | 00:00 |
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| kender | kkito, download the flasher | 00:00 |
| kkito | With the system power off can i flash the device? | 00:00 |
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| tolgam | speaking about strange bugs, my blue nokia logo has turned into a black one | 00:00 |
| tolgam | but the n800 is still working fine | 00:00 |
| kender | kkito, no | 00:00 |
| Streg | well you have to boot it to the flashing mode, but it takes only a few second, so it might work | 00:00 |
| kender | yes | 00:00 |
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| kender | tolgam, hehehe | 00:01 |
| Streg | tolgam: mine always started with a blue logo, but booted with a black one | 00:01 |
| kender | tolgam, and the others images goes fine? | 00:01 |
| tolgam | yup | 00:01 |
| kender | tolgam, and reflashing? | 00:01 |
| kender | hehe | 00:01 |
| Streg | I thought it was a "feature" | 00:01 |
| tolgam | I tried this and keep the black logo | 00:02 |
| tolgam | actually it started after a first reflashing | 00:02 |
| tolgam | the device was locked in a loop and thus I had to wipe everything out :/ | 00:02 |
| tolgam | Streg: :) | 00:02 |
| kender | hehe | 00:02 |
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| tolgam | I think I should take a picture and fill up a bug report but i'm too lazy to go fetching for the camera :p | 00:04 |
| kender | hehehe | 00:04 |
| Streg | I might have gotten my N800 to work with reflashing (had to do it once before) but I thought it can't be normal for the device to just reboot and hang from time to time without any special programs installed so "hopefully there's something more wrong than corrupted install" :) | 00:05 |
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| kender | maybe | 00:05 |
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| kender | I broke my device the first day | 00:05 |
| tolgam | I'm looking forward to the next firmware release | 00:06 |
| kender | I was so scared, but with reflashing it, everything solved | 00:06 |
| kender | was a busybox update | 00:06 |
| kender | that makes the system crash | 00:06 |
| tolgam | hoppefully all of those little bugs will be repared | 00:06 |
| kender | tolgam, :) | 00:06 |
| tolgam | kender: I was a little bit disapointed too, thinking "ok, stay calm, let's go digging the forums to find what happened..." :) | 00:08 |
| Tak | now that's optimism | 00:08 |
| kender | tolgam, hehe, yes, is difficult to be comprensive in that situation | 00:09 |
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| tolgam | actually, the important thing when you have a n800 is to have also a computer to be able to fix it from time to time :) | 00:11 |
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| kender | tolgam, yes, or...maybe, dualboot | 00:13 |
| kender | I'll buy a new SD card for putting there a second "stable" system | 00:13 |
| kender | to make tries, and fix the system | 00:13 |
| kkito | ehhh i flashed the n800 but the errors persist! :_( | 00:13 |
| kender | kkito, the flashing goes well? | 00:14 |
| kender | any error? | 00:14 |
| kkito | i cant boot up, the nokia screens appears for 3-4 seconds and then suddently go power off | 00:14 |
| kkito | Sending and flashing rootfs image (78336 kB)... | 00:14 |
| kkito | 100% (78336 of 78336 kB, avg. 6062 kB/s) | 00:14 |
| kkito | Finishing flashing... done | 00:14 |
| kender | kkito, how did you flashed it? | 00:14 |
| kkito | i think that yes.... | 00:14 |
| tolgam | did you charged your battery ? | 00:15 |
| tolgam | :) | 00:15 |
| kender | tolgam, :D | 00:15 |
| kkito | yes... the device is charged :) | 00:15 |
| kender | kkito, try putting it in rd mode | 00:15 |
| kender | set serial mode on | 00:15 |
| tolgam | ok, so there's a bug somewhere :) | 00:15 |
| kender | when I broke mine, they told me to do that | 00:16 |
| kkito | kender, how to do it? | 00:16 |
| maddler | doh! just realized thumb keyboard woorks good enought in xterm!!! | 00:16 |
| kender | kkito, ./flasher --help | 00:16 |
| tolgam | with the flasher tool | 00:16 |
| kkito | ok, .... i try | 00:16 |
| tolgam | you will get a lot of geeky messages a boot | 00:16 |
| kender | maddler, yes, but I hate that the hardward key in the middle of the rows doesn't run "enter" | 00:16 |
| tolgam | that rocks | 00:16 |
| kender | tolgam, yeah | 00:17 |
| kender | but...little, IMHO | 00:17 |
| kender | hehe | 00:17 |
| tolgam | ;) | 00:17 |
| kender | tolgam, where are you from? | 00:17 |
| kender | hehe | 00:17 |
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| tolgam | maybe "more kernel log at boot" could stand for a feature request :) | 00:17 |
| maddler | kender: sorry can't fet what you mean | 00:18 |
| tolgam | france | 00:18 |
| kender | maddler, sorry my english | 00:18 |
| kender | hehe | 00:18 |
| tolgam | sorry for mine too | 00:18 |
| kender | maddler, mm.. the direction buttons at the top of the device | 00:18 |
| kender | the hardware buttons | 00:18 |
| kender | in the middle of them | 00:18 |
| kender | there is a button | 00:18 |
| maddler | kender... and mine as well!ghghgh | 00:18 |
| kender | square button | 00:18 |
| tolgam | the thing between the four rows | 00:19 |
| kender | maddler, and you are from..? | 00:19 |
| maddler | oh, got it now | 00:19 |
| kender | tolgam, yes | 00:19 |
| kender | hehehe | 00:19 |
| kender | I would like to do it as an "enter" key | 00:19 |
| kender | rather than like "big" keys | 00:19 |
| tolgam | kender: you are spanish aren't you ? | 00:19 |
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| kender | tolgam, yes | 00:19 |
| kender | hehehe | 00:19 |
| kender | whois? | 00:19 |
| tolgam | yup, good bless /whois ;) | 00:20 |
| kender | hehehe | 00:20 |
| maddler | Rome, Italy | 00:20 |
| kender | maddler, :) | 00:20 |
| tolgam | so, an italian, a french and a spanish guy all of us trying to get understood speaking in english :) | 00:21 |
| kender | tolgam, any other better way? | 00:21 |
| maddler | yes, being able to use it as enter key wouldn't be too bad... | 00:21 |
| kender | hehehe | 00:21 |
| tolgam | ^_^ | 00:21 |
| kender | I don't know nor french, nor italian | 00:21 |
| kender | hehe | 00:21 |
| kender | maddler, like..."previous command, enter" | 00:22 |
| kender | I miss that so much | 00:22 |
| kender | maybe, in future versions, maemo hackers people, add that feature | 00:22 |
| maddler | tolgan, that's the funny part! | 00:22 |
| keesj | I can speak french dutch and english | 00:22 |
| maddler | isn't it? | 00:22 |
| guerby | tolgam, salut depuis Paris :) | 00:22 |
| tolgam | you must be mad of french to learn french, it's an horrible mess of complicated and useless grammatical rules | 00:22 |
| kender | keesj, we know, you are like god | 00:22 |
| kender | keesj, :P | 00:22 |
| tolgam | guerby: cool, on est deux français :) | 00:23 |
| keesj | yea , I can also speak with him | 00:23 |
| guerby | tolgam, ya fabien penso de temps en temps aussi | 00:23 |
| kender | tolgam, spanish is very complex too | 00:23 |
| tolgam | guerby: salut de Tours au passage | 00:23 |
| kkito | ph thank you, with the --enable-rd-mode my n800 is booting up again :P | 00:23 |
| maddler | french is boring as well! | 00:23 |
| Veggen | well. Except for norwegian, I speak english and french and can manage in italian and german, somewhat. | 00:23 |
| kender | kkito, :DDDDDD | 00:23 |
| kender | kkito, good news | 00:23 |
| * keesj was born in Millau | 00:23 | |
| kkito | :) yes! | 00:23 |
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| guerby | keesj, did you go back to see the viaduc? | 00:24 |
| tolgam | kender: but I found it simplier than french when I learned it :) | 00:24 |
| ||cw | and english isn't complex? | 00:24 |
| kender | well, I know basque too :P | 00:24 |
| kender | tolgam, spanish? | 00:24 |
| tolgam | guerby: :) | 00:24 |
| Tak | complicated and useless grammatical rules? sounds like english | 00:24 |
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| kkito | catalan is better ;) | 00:25 |
| kender | ||cw, mm.. idioms and phrasal verbs | 00:25 |
| ||cw | Tak: oh but in english, many of the rules can be broken and the meaning still understood | 00:25 |
| keesj | yes , I often come back there , I have to go under the viaduct to go to my house there | 00:25 |
| kender | kkito, bah! | 00:25 |
| kender | hehe | 00:25 |
| tolgam | kender: unfortunately I forgot almost everything. It's been a very long time since I studied it :( | 00:25 |
| keesj | I have never past over it :p | 00:25 |
| Tak | ||cw: luckily for most americans | 00:25 |
| kender | ||cw, I think, in any language, that is applyable | 00:25 |
| kender | hehe | 00:25 |
| tolgam | super ça va troller à fond sur qui qui cause la meilleure langue ^_^ | 00:25 |
| maddler | naaaaa... french worse! a lot worse than english! | 00:25 |
| ||cw | yeah, english is soo messed up that most native english speaker can't properly peak it | 00:26 |
| tolgam | maddler: yup | 00:26 |
| kender | spanish verbs tenses are havoc! | 00:26 |
| kender | heheh | 00:26 |
| tolgam | ||cw: that's also true for french :) | 00:26 |
| guerby | keesj, there is a nice road going up and a nice point of view from the top | 00:26 |
| kender | ||cw, yes, that's true | 00:26 |
| kender | ||cw, hear Bush | 00:26 |
| kender | :P | 00:26 |
| kender | hehe | 00:26 |
| Tak | kender: it's only really bad for the irregular ones | 00:27 |
| maddler | cw, you say that only because you don't know italian... | 00:27 |
| kender | Tak, but english is simplier in that sense | 00:27 |
| maddler | hehe | 00:27 |
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| Tak | I agree | 00:27 |
| kender | but...the english problem is phrasal verbs and idioms | 00:28 |
| kender | idioms, are in all language | 00:28 |
| kender | so.. | 00:28 |
| kender | and...all the meanings that words have | 00:28 |
| tolgam | kender: some english people are also a problem sometimes :p | 00:28 |
| kender | tolgam, that happens in any language! | 00:29 |
| kender | xD | 00:29 |
| kender | hey maddler the italian laugh, how it is? | 00:29 |
| kender | hehehe? | 00:29 |
| kender | jejejje? | 00:29 |
| kender | I have...curiosity about that | 00:29 |
| kender | hehe | 00:29 |
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| tolgam | maybe italian don't laugh at all | 00:29 |
| kender | in spain, we laugh "jejeje" "jijiji" and so.. | 00:29 |
| maddler | hahahaha | 00:29 |
| kender | tolgam, hehhehe | 00:29 |
| shackan | weird | 00:30 |
| tomv | say, is there a way to install python2.5-runtime without replacing nokia's os? it seems to complain about not being able to find some libraries (that are in the maemo bora repo). I've added the repository in the application manager, but no luck. | 00:30 |
| vittorio | guess that sounds funny | 00:30 |
| tolgam | "weird" what a surprising laugh :) | 00:30 |
| kender | tolgam, you humour is great! | 00:30 |
| kender | *your | 00:30 |
| maddler | and hehehe as well | 00:30 |
| maddler | or hihihi | 00:30 |
| maddler | and hohoho | 00:30 |
| kender | so, like in any other country | 00:30 |
| kender | tomv, replacing nokia os? | 00:31 |
| tolgam | tomv: you just interupted us in the middle of a very important debate about the way people laugh in their country :p | 00:31 |
| maddler | it actually depends on which kind of laugh you need... | 00:31 |
| shackan | kender, what did you expect? | 00:31 |
| tolgam | kender: ;) | 00:31 |
| kender | tolgam, hehehe | 00:31 |
| kender | shackan, maybe like us..."jejeje" | 00:32 |
| kender | and, portuguese? | 00:32 |
| kender | how the laugh? | 00:32 |
| kender | any portuguese here? | 00:32 |
| kender | hehe | 00:32 |
| Tak | portuguese don't laugh; they only kill | 00:32 |
| kender | Tak, oh...please! | 00:32 |
| * shackan wonders if this saturday was too late to apply for a code | 00:32 | |
| Tak | lol | 00:32 |
| kender | shackan, try | 00:32 |
| shackan | well, I mean last saturday | 00:32 |
| shackan | kender, I did | 00:32 |
| kender | hehe | 00:33 |
| kender | so, conclusion, the internation laugh is "hehehe" | 00:33 |
| kender | and, we, are odd | 00:33 |
| kender | hehe | 00:33 |
| shackan | no, YOU are | 00:33 |
| maddler | sounds good to me | 00:33 |
| kender | shackan, me? | 00:33 |
| tomv | kender: well, strike that part. I guess I'm just confused... | 00:33 |
| shackan | hahahahahaha, yes | 00:34 |
| kkito | do you nkow if there are any plans to support the IVA and powerVR processor in the maemo plataform in the near future= | 00:34 |
| kkito | ? | 00:34 |
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| kender | tomv, the os is the same if you install python | 00:34 |
| tomv | tolgam: maybe you can laugh at my questions later after I have left the channel... | 00:34 |
| kender | tomv, you only need to install some extra libs and python itself | 00:35 |
| kender | replace anything | 00:35 |
| tomv | kender: ok. so how do I install the dependencies? | 00:35 |
| tolgam | kender: I bet the "h" and the "e" are the two most used keys on your keyboard ;) You have an incredible rate of "hehe" when you speak :) | 00:35 |
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| tomv | kender: (For a moment I thought I needed to switch to the developer rootfs or something.) | 00:35 |
| kender | tomv, no | 00:36 |
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| kender | tomv, I'll recommend you to do it from xterm | 00:36 |
| kender | if you know how to do things with it | 00:36 |
| tolgam | tomv: sorry. I wouldn't laughed at you but more laugh at us. Honestly, our conversation is far from being really interesting for this chan | 00:36 |
| kender | tolgam, yes, here we use a lot "xD" | 00:36 |
| kender | and...."hehe" is the s/xD/hehehe/g | 00:37 |
| kender | understand? | 00:37 |
| kkito | xD = lol :P | 00:37 |
| tolgam | tomv: btw, I do not know how to help you but I would have be pleased to give you a tip if I could | 00:37 |
| kender | kkito, yes | 00:37 |
| kender | and....those, acronims | 00:38 |
| kender | god! | 00:38 |
| kender | CU | 00:38 |
| kender | BBL | 00:38 |
| kender | BRB | 00:38 |
| kender | LOL | 00:38 |
| tolgam | :) | 00:38 |
| kender | ag | 00:38 |
| maddler | SLTMSRT | 00:38 |
| kender | ?¿ | 00:38 |
| kender | RTFM? | 00:38 |
| kender | maybe? | 00:38 |
| trenka | so much noise from you :( | 00:39 |
| maddler | something like: greetings to your family | 00:39 |
| tolgam | kender: STFU | 00:39 |
| tolgam | you forgot this one ;) | 00:39 |
| kender | maddler, oh | 00:39 |
| kender | tolgam, I don't know the meaning | 00:39 |
| kender | hehe | 00:39 |
| kender | I have seen it but.. | 00:40 |
| kender | trenka, sorry? | 00:40 |
| tolgam | it's close to what trenka said | 00:40 |
| tolgam | somehow | 00:40 |
| kender | I see | 00:40 |
| kender | well, after all | 00:41 |
| kender | a interesting off-topic | 00:41 |
| kender | hehe | 00:41 |
| kender | *an | 00:41 |
| Tak | stfu: a more offensive form of 'callate' | 00:41 |
| kender | Tak, thanks! | 00:42 |
| kender | ok, guys, see you | 00:42 |
| tolgam | buy | 00:42 |
| tolgam | bye | 00:43 |
| tolgam | s/buy/bye :p | 00:43 |
| kender | :) | 00:43 |
| tomv | tolgam, kender: hmhm. the solution was "be sure the bora repo url doesn't end in extras if you cut and paste", oh well. | 00:43 |
| kender | tomv, nice! | 00:43 |
| tomv | kender: yeah. cut and paste is the only entry method I could manage after typing in my WPA key and getting it wrong... | 00:44 |
| tolgam | doesn't seems to be an obvious solution... | 00:44 |
| tomv | tolgam: maybe the software could check if two app repos are the same... | 00:45 |
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| tomv | tolgam: but then, how many people do this wrongly... | 00:45 |
| kender | tomv, the software checks | 00:45 |
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| kender | apt-get update alert you if you have two repos that are the same | 00:46 |
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| tolgam | tomv: I think a frontend offering to select repos from a list would be a nicer solution | 00:46 |
| kender | [ off-topic again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3JCESdFNyw ] | 00:47 |
| tomv | kender: yeah, but the application manager doesn't tell me. not even in the logs... | 00:47 |
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| kender | yes, the application manager is a error silencer | 00:47 |
| tomv | tolgam: well, actually I guess the application manager should have gotten the additional repo from the .install file. | 00:47 |
| tomv | oh, well, I'm off writing python stuff now. :) thanks, though! | 00:48 |
| tolgam | is the .install a suitable place for repos ? | 00:48 |
| tolgam | tomv: happy hacking :) | 00:48 |
| tomv | tolgam: ah, no. but there should be if you have inter-repo dependencies. | 00:50 |
| tomv | tolgam: maybe something like that should go into the repo's Release file, but that's for another day. | 00:50 |
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| tolgam | tomv: :) | 00:52 |
| tomv | tolgam: well, the next day is only 7 minutes away and I need to give a talk tomorrow. so good night. | 00:53 |
| tomv | and happy laughing. we're doing mostly hahahahaha here. | 00:54 |
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| maddler | time to hit the bed here... | 00:58 |
| maddler | have fun, and remember to visit www.maemopeople.org! | 00:58 |
| maddler | hehe | 00:58 |
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| rofltosh | so, can anyone recommend a good N800 case? | 01:04 |
| rofltosh | i don't think the sunglass thing is gonna cut it for me | 01:05 |
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| maddler | try nintendo ds cases.. | 01:09 |
| maddler | has anyone tested maemo-mappr with vrtual earth? | 01:10 |
| rofltosh | maddker, the nintendo DS is about twice as thick as the N800 | 01:10 |
| rofltosh | i want this case to fit like size 0 pants on a fat guy | 01:11 |
| maddler | ehhh... | 01:12 |
| rofltosh | i'm thinking about nokia's flip case... it just protects the screen though | 01:15 |
| rofltosh | is the casing pretty durable? | 01:15 |
| rofltosh | like, enough to reside in an inside jacket pocket sans custom case | 01:15 |
| gpd | I would say so. The nokia 'case' looks ideal. Shame it is not yet available. | 01:18 |
| rofltosh | at least not stateside | 01:18 |
| gpd | I am contemplating the I-Blue GPS receiver - anyone know any other options I should checkout? | 01:18 |
| mitcheloc | gpd: i purchased the delorme a long time ago and still love it -- it's got a built in logger | 01:20 |
| mitcheloc | i haven't seen the i-blue, does it have that? | 01:20 |
| gpd | not sure -- not really researched yet. | 01:20 |
| gpd | http://www.buygpsnow.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=509 <- i-blue | 01:21 |
| mitcheloc | it looks neat with the power feature | 01:21 |
| mitcheloc | but i like the logger in mine :) i can toss it in my car and go for a trip and come back and download my route | 01:21 |
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| gpd | mitcheloc: any idea what it is called -- i am looking at their site now | 01:22 |
| gpd | Probably Earthmate Blue Logger | 01:24 |
| mitcheloc | sounds right | 01:24 |
| mitcheloc | the price was really good too when i bought it from them | 01:24 |
| mitcheloc | though their gps software sucked (2004ish version) | 01:24 |
| gpd | they only seem to have it with bundled maps for $$$ | 01:25 |
| gpd | I also have a Garmin eTrex Legend C -- so this is pure extravegance | 01:25 |
| gpd | however, when bundled with the N800 and maemo-mapper it becomes very attractive | 01:25 |
| gpd | the screen on the eTrex is Tiny! | 01:25 |
| mitcheloc | whats wrong with the $150 version? toss the map cd | 01:26 |
| gpd | 2x the price of the i-Blue... | 01:26 |
| mitcheloc | oh, ebay? then | 01:26 |
| mitcheloc | but it also has the logger which is sweet | 01:27 |
| gpd | is the software to extract the log windows only? | 01:27 |
| mitcheloc | I'm not sure, possibly just the official version, but i bet there are plenty of open source alternatives | 01:28 |
| gpd | Ok - thanks - I'll have to ponder some more. | 01:28 |
| * gpd contemplates GPS joy of bluetooth enabled digital SLR | 01:29 | |
| gpd | http://preview.tinyurl.com/ygsx8j <-- 32 Channel i-blue edition 2 | 01:32 |
| Zer0Her0 | there doesn't happen to be any last.fm players for either the 770 or the 800? | 01:35 |
| * Juhaz ponders whether to launch into a rant about insane n-channel gps receivers when there aren't nearly n satellites visible at any given time | 01:36 | |
| rofltosh | zer0her0, can't you go here ---> http://www.last.fm/listen/ from within opera? | 01:36 |
| Zer0Her0 | ah sweet, didn't know of that :) | 01:36 |
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| mitcheloc | gpd: that power save feature does look nice | 01:37 |
| maddler | gpd: have you installed mapper 1.3.5? | 01:37 |
| rofltosh | heh yeah Juhaz... I don't think that 32 GPS sats even exist | 01:38 |
| mitcheloc | i'm getting the mobo for my stompbox today!!! going to have evdo wifi wherever i go soon :) | 01:38 |
| rofltosh | hence nobody can dispute their false advertising | 01:38 |
| Juhaz | 29 sats | 01:38 |
| Juhaz | maybe third of which might be visible at once given very good conditions | 01:39 |
| rofltosh | right... i've never gotten >6 on my eTrex (which supposedly supports twelve) | 01:39 |
| Zer0Her0 | hmm rofltosh not a new enough flash version :( | 01:43 |
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| maddler | damn! virtualerth suport in maemo mapper not working... | 01:50 |
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| * sp3000 slaps the browser | 02:01 | |
| sp3000 | why do I get a download dialog that's contains a list, when the download dialog is modal such that I can't fill more than one slot in the list :) | 02:01 |
| sp3000 | s/'s// | 02:02 |
| sp3000 | well, except I can close it, so ... *shrug* | 02:04 |
| sp3000 | good enough :) | 02:07 |
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| Zer0Her0 | is 2.1 the newest release of maemo for the N770? | 02:31 |
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| svu | what would be the simplest way to provide mp3s to 800 from mt-daapd (bonjour server)? | 02:38 |
| rofltosh | maybe a VLC-like thing? | 02:40 |
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| cesman | svu: upnp | 02:43 |
| svu | cesman, is there upnp-compatible server for linux? | 02:43 |
| gpd | svu: gmediaserver works for me | 02:43 |
| cesman | install fuppes on your server and use media streamer on the 800 | 02:43 |
| cesman | svu: there are several | 02:44 |
| cesman | fuppes works the best for me | 02:44 |
| svu | ok, thanks, lads. I'll try | 02:44 |
| cesman | fuppes.sf.net | 02:44 |
| rofltosh | i use twonky on os x... its made of win | 02:44 |
| cesman | pay it forward :) | 02:44 |
| gpd | maddler: just trying maemo-mapper 1.35 now... | 02:44 |
| rofltosh | i think theres a really ismilar version forlinux | 02:44 |
| cesman | yes, twony is available for linux | 02:44 |
| * svu found gmediaserver as standard ubuntu package | 02:45 | |
| gpd | svu: yes, on ubuntu edgy it is just apt-get away | 02:45 |
| svu | sweet | 02:45 |
| gpd | just do... gmediaserver /path/to/music & | 02:45 |
| gpd | job ... done... | 02:45 |
| Pio | and the newer your libupnp the better | 02:46 |
| Pio | err.. actually gmediaserver doesnt use libupnp does it | 02:46 |
| * gpd confirms deletion of 1090063114 maps | 02:47 | |
| gpd | hmm... seem to have a nasty mixture of satelite and map maps... | 02:49 |
| rofltosh | is maemo mapper a free app? | 02:51 |
| gpd | ya | 02:51 |
| gpd | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=29 | 02:51 |
| rofltosh | pretty spiffy | 02:55 |
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| * gpd tries to find manufacturer of i-Blue devices... not obvious | 02:56 | |
| Zer0Her0 | does the N800 support flash? | 02:57 |
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| Aleksandyr | yes, v7 | 02:57 |
| Zer0Her0 | does the N770? | 02:59 |
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| Aleksandyr | Zer0Her0: yes, but v6 | 03:02 |
| * Aleksandyr crosses fingers and throws switch on a frankenstein-Classpath. JIT, here we come? | 03:03 | |
| Zer0Her0 | Aleksandyr: thank you | 03:04 |
| Zer0Her0 | i just need to break down and order an 800 i think hehe | 03:04 |
| Aleksandyr | Zer0Her0: if you're debating the two, clearly, go for the 800 ;) | 03:04 |
| Aleksandyr | any other questions stopping you? | 03:04 |
| Zer0Her0 | already have the 770 ;) | 03:05 |
| Zer0Her0 | money is all currently | 03:05 |
| * gpd contemplates buying GeForce 8800GS --- same price as N800! | 03:07 | |
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| Aleksandyr | ah. Personally I don't know if I'd upgrade: if it wasn't for the developer discount, I don't think I would have ;) | 03:07 |
| Aleksandyr | of course, Nokia's online store is having some severe issues with my code. | 03:07 |
| Zer0Her0 | sucks | 03:08 |
| * Aleksandyr stares down the extremely distasteful idea of writing his own JNI gtk-peer. | 03:08 | |
| Aleksandyr | yeah, I was expecting it today =/ | 03:08 |
| Zer0Her0 | ah even worse, well at least it's the beginning of the week. | 03:09 |
| rofltosh | i'm playing scrabble with teh family right now... unbeknownst to them i have a scrabble solver page up on my lappy | 03:10 |
| Aleksandyr | yeah, but if I had it in hand, I could probably have a working J2SE JVM right now =/ | 03:10 |
| Aleksandyr | rofltosh: lol | 03:10 |
| rofltosh | i think they got kinda suspicious when i expanded "ton" into "plutonium", using up all my letters (50 pt. bonus) | 03:11 |
| Zer0Her0 | nice | 03:11 |
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| rofltosh | wait, so aleksandyr; java support is coming to the N800? | 03:14 |
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| Aleksandyr | rofltosh: for very specific values of those words, yes, I am currently working on it. | 03:15 |
| rofltosh | i thought java was proprietary | 03:18 |
| rofltosh | at least the source code | 03:18 |
| Aleksandyr | rofltosh: for very specific values of proprietary. I'm using an open source JIT+JVM and such. | 03:21 |
| rofltosh | ah... so not sun's code of course | 03:21 |
| Aleksandyr | I mean, my release JamVM+Jikes+Classpath works, it's just slow. | 03:21 |
| Aleksandyr | well, Sun is open sourcing Java. At the moment I'm not using their code. | 03:22 |
| Aleksandyr | however, they open sourced J2ME, which would be fiercely useful, but nobody has a GTK peer (just Qt) for it. | 03:22 |
| glassss | j2me would be nice, makes for crappy ui's for 770 like device though | 03:23 |
| glassss | personal not so bad | 03:23 |
| glassss | or whatever they call it nowadays | 03:23 |
| glassss | anyways the one that is on communicators and uiq's | 03:24 |
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| Aleksandyr | that would be j2me personal profile | 03:26 |
| Aleksandyr | probably. | 03:26 |
| glassss | yeah i suppose that's it nowadays | 03:28 |
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| gpd | anyone know if there are windshield mounting kits compabitble with 7/n800? | 03:42 |
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| rofltosh | i saw a good one on flickr | 03:45 |
| rofltosh | one sec, i'll link you | 03:45 |
| rofltosh | here gpd: http://flickr.com/photos/teemu/189484087/ | 03:47 |
| rofltosh | the photos before and after it show the mount too | 03:47 |
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| wibbit | This is probably the wrong channel, however, I think you guys may be able to help :) | 03:49 |
| wibbit | I'm in the market for a new phone, however would really like some thing that would sync contacts and calendar (ideally tasks) with evolution. | 03:50 |
| wibbit | I've been using nokia for the last 6 years or so, and I'd like to stick with them | 03:50 |
| wibbit | Does any one have any suggestions? | 03:50 |
| Markov | has anyone noticed how ammusing the "Select your city" list is on the n800 | 03:50 |
| wibbit | Oh, in case it wasn't obvious, I use linux :) | 03:51 |
| Markov | Tijuana is on there but not Boston | 03:51 |
| Markov | or SanFrancisco | 03:51 |
| Zer0Her0 | is NY? | 03:51 |
| Markov | yes | 03:51 |
| Zer0Her0 | NYC is al? | 03:51 |
| Markov | al? | 03:51 |
| Zer0Her0 | i don't even know what i was trying for in that sentence | 03:51 |
| Zer0Her0 | :-D | 03:52 |
| Markov | heheh | 03:52 |
| Zer0Her0 | haha | 03:52 |
| rofltosh | they prolly just select a couple major cities from each time zone | 03:53 |
| rofltosh | hence boston doesn't make the cut | 03:54 |
| rofltosh | nor does san fran | 03:54 |
| * gpd hovers over checkout button for i-Blue 2 737 GPS receiver... | 04:02 | |
| desrt | ottawa is on the 770, but not toronto | 04:05 |
| desrt | which seems a bit odd, but not too odd | 04:06 |
| soleblaze | gpd: how much is it? | 04:11 |
| gpd | $74.95 ... ordered! | 04:11 |
| hub | desrt: because ottawa is the capital | 04:12 |
| hub | desrt: remember it is a territory nokia does not know about ;-) | 04:12 |
| Streg | I got a Holux GPSlim 240 (Sirf III) adapter from taiwan. 62euros including shipping. And I like it. | 04:13 |
| gpd | well -- hopefully I'll like this one. I'll need it as I'm moving to a new city soon. | 04:14 |
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| kkito | will be that or otehr gps receiver compatible with the nokia car navigation software for n800? | 04:14 |
| soleblaze | coo. | 04:14 |
| soleblaze | yeah, I have a sirf III | 04:14 |
| soleblaze | uhm | 04:14 |
| soleblaze | I forgot which one | 04:14 |
| soleblaze | but sirf III is a great chipset | 04:14 |
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| soleblaze | I had a garmin handheld before then..and the sirf III gets a lot better reception. | 04:15 |
| kkito | how can i add my mp3 to the mediaplayer library? | 04:15 |
| kkito | i write it to the removible sd card, but the mediaplayer dont detect the mp3 :( | 04:16 |
| gpd | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1970 <-- handy GPS devices that work with maemo mapper thread (bookmark) | 04:16 |
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| Markov | is there an FAQ page for Maemo Mapper? | 04:40 |
| Markov | seriously, I cannot find out what it does... | 04:40 |
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| rofltosh | markov, | 04:42 |
| rofltosh | http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ | 04:42 |
| rofltosh | so here's an interesting notion... | 04:44 |
| rofltosh | i want to prep an SD card for when the N800 arrives | 04:44 |
| rofltosh | what should i put on it? | 04:44 |
| shackan | stuff, lots of it | 04:45 |
| * rofltosh has no prior experience with these tablet thingies | 04:45 | |
| rofltosh | well besides the obvious stuff, like music | 04:45 |
| soleblaze | your 63 character WPA key (you do use one of those and not WEP right?) | 04:46 |
| rofltosh | correct | 04:47 |
| rofltosh | it's not 63 characters | 04:47 |
| rofltosh | it's actually hanshotfirst | 04:47 |
| soleblaze | hehe..mine is..I typed it in the first time..ittook me awhile | 04:47 |
| rofltosh | i don't mind telling you because you don't know where i live | 04:48 |
| soleblaze | New York. | 04:48 |
| soleblaze | yeah there's easier ones there ;) | 04:48 |
| rofltosh | actually i'm surrounded by college students with unprotected routers | 04:49 |
| soleblaze | There's a router somewhere around me | 04:49 |
| soleblaze | that someone got into and changed to PROTECT-YOUR-ROUTER | 04:49 |
| soleblaze | or something like that | 04:49 |
| soleblaze | there's also one named dontstealmyshit that's wep encrypted | 04:49 |
| rofltosh | i think that's on bash.org | 04:50 |
| soleblaze | There's an apartment building next door that has a buncha college kids | 04:50 |
| soleblaze | I caught it coming home when I had kismet running on my n800 | 04:50 |
| soleblaze | kismet doesn't show signal strength though =/ so it's useless for finding rogue aps | 04:51 |
| soleblaze | afk | 04:51 |
| rofltosh | does kismet for N770/800 have logging/cracking/sniffing ability? | 04:51 |
| rofltosh | or is it just a watered down ugly version | 04:52 |
| rofltosh | incidentally, i find it amusing that most routers have very well known default admin passwords that few people change | 04:54 |
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| Markov | usr: admin pw: admin :) | 05:12 |
| Markov | or pw: password | 05:12 |
| Markov | that's a good one | 05:12 |
| Markov | are there any applications for video calling for n800 now? | 05:14 |
| soleblaze | kismet has the logging/sniffing ability..works fine in rfmon | 05:17 |
| soleblaze | Markov: just the deafulat | 05:18 |
| soleblaze | default | 05:18 |
| soleblaze | I'm not all that familiar with kismet, so I don't know about any cracking. | 05:18 |
| Markov | i'm not much for crack sniffing either | 05:20 |
| * Markov is shameless | 05:21 | |
| soleblaze | haha | 05:21 |
| soleblaze | yeah, I'm waiting for some stuff to be ported over..don't feel like playing brick the n800 at the moment | 05:21 |
| soleblaze | ugh..noe of these days I'll find something that'll let me do middle click paste in os x | 05:23 |
| Markov | can i run os x on amd 64 yet? | 05:26 |
| Markov | heh | 05:26 |
| hub | Markov: is there any Mac with amd64? | 05:27 |
| hub | Markov: I think that answer it by itself | 05:27 |
| rofltosh | technically you could set it up in VMware | 05:27 |
| Markov | heh. "technically" can be fun, but may not be enough in this case :) | 05:28 |
| rofltosh | hey soleblaze, | 05:29 |
| soleblaze | os x for x86 machines don't currently use 64bit processors | 05:29 |
| rofltosh | do you mean just paste the contents of the clipboard or paste highlighted test | 05:29 |
| soleblaze | the next version can probably rtun on an amd64 once it's hacked | 05:29 |
| soleblaze | highlighted text | 05:30 |
| rofltosh | yeah, i was gonna say | 05:30 |
| soleblaze | I work on linux all day..and when I come hoem I keep trying to do it lol | 05:30 |
| rofltosh | just pasting might be easier to implement though | 05:30 |
| soleblaze | yeah..the mouse program I use lets me reassign keys | 05:30 |
| rofltosh | i set middle click to expose... when i get on my linux box i keep wondering where all the errant text comes from | 05:30 |
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| soleblaze | lol, yeah. Luckily the linux box I use has 3 buttons (my mouse on my imac has 6) | 05:31 |
| rofltosh | mx1000? | 05:32 |
| co[mute] | does anyone maybe have unionfs kernel module for scirocco release and want to mail me that? | 05:32 |
| soleblaze | G7, close | 05:33 |
| soleblaze | though I'm not sure what the difference is | 05:33 |
| rofltosh | mx1000 is teh biggar | 05:34 |
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| Texrat | hello | 05:39 |
| rofltosh | hey... do i know you from geekissues? | 05:39 |
| Texrat | internettablettalk | 05:39 |
| rofltosh | oh | 05:39 |
| Texrat | i think you just joined there? | 05:39 |
| rofltosh | you sounded familiar | 05:39 |
| rofltosh | yeah, i posted a pretty obnoxious thread | 05:39 |
| Texrat | first time I checked out the channel | 05:40 |
| Texrat | not much happening it seems tonight | 05:40 |
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| * rofltosh can't wait to pop his N800 cherry | 05:55 | |
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| behdad | Hello Freedom^WN800 lovers! | 06:00 |
| soleblaze | HAIL | 06:06 |
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| konfoo | hail brak! | 08:41 |
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| mitcheloc | hail hail | 08:43 |
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| keesj | Hi | 09:05 |
| keesj | could it be dropbrear who makes the n800 crash? | 09:05 |
| keesj | it nags about entropy of the random numnber generator, I can imagine such things can lock random processes | 09:07 |
| kulve | I don't know what you mean by crash, but dropbear might jam the boot process | 09:10 |
| kulve | link random to urandom (or vice versa) to move forward (with lesser security) | 09:10 |
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| mitcheloc | is it really that much less secure? | 09:20 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: Depends whom do you ask :) | 09:21 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: for me it's just find :) | 09:21 |
| kulve | fine | 09:21 |
| kulve | I don't keep my ssh always on, I just enable it, when I need it: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/ | 09:22 |
| kulve | (and I'm using open ssh) | 09:22 |
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| mitcheloc | kulve: i understand, i'm loving the n800 so far :) | 09:27 |
| mitcheloc | now if only it had a normal soft phone :) | 09:27 |
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| mitcheloc | n800 just rebooted while listening to music =/ | 09:38 |
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| shapr | :-( | 09:45 |
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| tigert_ | well | 10:11 |
| tigert_ | oops | 10:11 |
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| tigert | there is the watchdog | 10:12 |
| tigert | anything that chews a huge amount of cpu for a long time might cause it to wake up | 10:12 |
| tigert | but what's wrong with openssh? | 10:12 |
| tigert | its in the repository and works great | 10:12 |
| keesj | tigert: I do prefer openssh , in what repository? | 10:13 |
| keesj | I just don't thrust those binary packages with patches | 10:13 |
| kulve | I'm sure there are sources too | 10:14 |
| kulve | I have installed my openssh from some bora repo (in red pill mode) | 10:14 |
| tigert | isnt it in the maemo repo? | 10:14 |
| tigert | for bora? | 10:15 |
| keesj | I did not find it no | 10:15 |
| kulve | isn't "maemo repo" a bit wide term.. | 10:15 |
| keesj | we need a google search for all this stuff, | 10:15 |
| keesj | and I really don't understand all that free non-free extra stuff , all this debian complexity :p | 10:16 |
| tigert | yep. in repository.maemo.org bora free non-free | 10:16 |
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| tigert | we should just do .install files | 10:17 |
| tigert | for important things | 10:17 |
| tigert | like, make a "essentials" package that depends on a bunch of stuff that you want installed | 10:17 |
| keesj | tigert: I don't see it in the package manager | 10:18 |
| tigert | and then just do a .install file that does the repository stuff | 10:18 |
| tigert | 10:14 < kulve> I have installed my openssh from some bora repo (in red pill | 10:18 |
| tigert | mode) | 10:18 |
| tigert | red pill mode | 10:18 |
| tigert | to see it | 10:18 |
| kulve | apt-cache policy ssh | 10:18 |
| kulve | Candidate: 1:3.8p1-3osso7 | 10:18 |
| kulve | 500 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 10:18 |
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| zbenjamin | hello @ all | 10:18 |
| tigert | yeah | 10:19 |
| kulve | but that wouldn't show if it is extras or contrib.. | 10:19 |
| tigert | its in "free" | 10:19 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: I managed to copy the roofs without problems | 10:19 |
| tigert | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/ssh_3.8p1-3osso7_armel.deb < there is the .deb | 10:19 |
| tigert | BUT REMEMBER | 10:19 |
| tigert | when you install it | 10:19 |
| tigert | change your root password | 10:19 |
| tigert | from "rootme" to something else | 10:19 |
| tigert | as installing ssh installs sshd | 10:19 |
| tigert | and then its a good idea to change the pwd :) | 10:20 |
| kulve | you can use http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/ to disable sshd from starting up in boot ;) | 10:20 |
| tigert | its useful to have though | 10:20 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, ? what image? | 10:20 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: you were trying to copy the rootfs.jffs to tar ball yesterday..? | 10:21 |
| tigert | kulve: heh, I am ircing still from my abit bp6 | 10:21 |
| tigert | (just browsing your site) | 10:21 |
| kulve | tigert: oh :) | 10:21 |
| zbenjamin | yes. But which image file did you use? | 10:21 |
| kulve | the latest official | 10:21 |
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| zbenjamin | IT2007? or IT2006 | 10:22 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: oh, yes, it was 2007 | 10:22 |
| tigert | model name: Celeron (Mendocino) | 10:23 |
| tigert | model name: Celeron (Mendocino) | 10:23 |
| tigert | cpu MHz: 442.124 | 10:23 |
| tigert | cpu MHz: 442.124 | 10:23 |
| tigert | :) | 10:23 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: do you want me to try to do the same for it2006? | 10:23 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, i need 2006. It would be cool if you can check it for me | 10:23 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, the only thing i can do at the moment is to tar the filesystem directly on the device and cut the wrong stuff out | 10:24 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: hmm.. what's the latest 2006 image? | 10:25 |
| kulve | hmm.. Something new just released.. | 10:25 |
| keesj | so who want's to try the xmoto on the n800? | 10:25 |
| zbenjamin | just? wait a moment maybe it is newer than mine | 10:25 |
| keesj | it is getting pretty usable! | 10:25 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, my image is named : SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 10:26 |
| kulve | OS 2006 edition v. 3.2006.49-2 is now available! | 10:27 |
| kulve | http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 | 10:27 |
| kulve | can you get that from the nokia site and give url to me? :) | 10:27 |
| zbenjamin | wait | 10:28 |
| Veggen | tigerts: (ssh on boot) - ideally, we should make a framework for putting such things on enable/disable-buttons in the panel. | 10:30 |
| Veggen | so that you'd have an icon telling you that "ssh is enabled" - and click on it to change, etc. | 10:31 |
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| tigert | a control panel applet for services could also work | 10:31 |
| Veggen | tigert: mm. | 10:31 |
| kulve | tigert: like that mine? ;) | 10:31 |
| tigert | perhaps | 10:31 |
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| tigert | you lack a vital feature on your website though | 10:32 |
| tigert | no SCREENSHOT! | 10:32 |
| tigert | :) | 10:32 |
| kulve | oh | 10:33 |
| c0ffee | moin | 10:33 |
| kulve | tigert: It won't be pretty ;) | 10:34 |
| tigert | :) | 10:34 |
| tigert | want help in that? | 10:34 |
| tigert | make a shot of it and I can redesign the layout for you | 10:34 |
| tigert | if you want | 10:34 |
| tigert | I'll do an icon too :) | 10:34 |
| kulve | no need for such a simple tool.. | 10:34 |
| kulve | it doesn't have any icon though.. | 10:34 |
| tigert | well, even simple tools should be pleasant looking | 10:34 |
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| tigert | like on OS X there are lots of nice, slick utilities that also have a very pleasant ui | 10:38 |
| tigert | same with most the new web services | 10:38 |
| kulve | I do agree. | 10:39 |
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| kulve | tigert: Now there's the screenshot :) | 10:46 |
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| bedboi | damn | 10:56 |
| bedboi | nokia shop charged me for the full price!!! | 10:56 |
| c0ffee | just call them | 10:57 |
| bedboi | what number? | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | keesj: easiest way to add a readline dependency - if it's not picked up already is to patch debian/control, or - if it's a tarball fetch - you can specify a <depends> in the fetch (planning to introduce the same to the deb fetcher) | 10:57 |
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| c0ffee | 800 71 36 18 maybe? | 10:58 |
| bedboi | yep | 10:59 |
| bedboi | calling | 10:59 |
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| bedboi | they told me that it should be re-accredited | 11:03 |
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| bedboi | that it was a check or something | 11:03 |
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| maddler | bedboi: they should have sent you an email with order details... | 11:20 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:21 |
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| bedboi | maddler: yep. the order details are fine | 11:25 |
| maddler | bedboi: total is ~100E? | 11:26 |
| bedboi | 99 | 11:26 |
| bedboi | now i have to wait till they re-accredit money on my card | 11:27 |
| maddler | did you called them? | 11:27 |
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| bedboi | yep | 11:29 |
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| maddler | ok... | 11:31 |
| * maddler wonders how nokia manages that stuff... | 11:32 | |
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| maddler | yesss!!! | 11:33 |
| * maddler managed to use USB connection on N800!!! | 11:33 | |
| keesj | in host mode? | 11:33 |
| lardman | maddler: USB host or client? | 11:33 |
| keesj | network connection? | 11:33 |
| maddler | keesj: yess!!! | 11:33 |
| keesj | kwel | 11:34 |
| maddler | browser works! | 11:34 |
| maddler | I defined a dummy ad-hoc wlan | 11:34 |
| maddler | on same usb0 subnet | 11:34 |
| maddler | with same usb0 gateway... | 11:35 |
| maddler | everything is working fine!!! | 11:35 |
| maddler | hmmm... only presence is not working... | 11:35 |
| maddler | dum de daa... | 11:36 |
| keesj | perhaps thats is a nat problem? | 11:36 |
| maddler | keesj: yup.. maybe... | 11:36 |
| maddler | but with the same gateway config everything is ok on 770 | 11:37 |
| bedboi | is it safe to use the same debian repository (for x86) in a normal debian environment | 11:37 |
| bedboi | ? | 11:37 |
| bedboi | the one in scratchbox | 11:37 |
| feren1 | bedboi: i would not do it. | 11:37 |
| bedboi | ah ok | 11:37 |
| bedboi | so there's no way to install a libosso on a normal debian distro | 11:38 |
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| keesj | Jaffa, I have pached the xmoto debian/control, the patches only works on the control generated for the n800 and not for the 770 :( | 11:40 |
| maddler | kool! fixed!!! | 11:40 |
| maddler | now... the only problem is that I'm supposed to NOT have wifi enabled in this area :) | 11:41 |
| maddler | but Packet data and Data call won't work... | 11:42 |
| Veggen | bluetooth net? | 11:46 |
| Veggen | it's more likely to go unnoticed. | 11:46 |
| Veggen | :) | 11:46 |
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| Veggen | I'm considering that for being able to use my N800 at work, too, towards the net. But someone is bound to discover if I put up a wifi access point. I'm not supposed to do that. | 11:48 |
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| maddler | Veggen: but even with bt networking you need to define a Dummy connection... | 12:13 |
| bedboi | it seems that scratchbox uses an old pkg-config | 12:13 |
| maddler | that's the point... | 12:13 |
| bedboi | i hit this bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4702 | 12:13 |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! | 12:16 |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | re | 12:44 |
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| |tbb| | hi all | 13:01 |
| keesj | hi | 13:01 |
| |tbb| | maddler did u receive my pm | 13:01 |
| |tbb| | got problems here with irssi | 13:01 |
| sKaBoy | is there gpesyncd for bora ? | 13:01 |
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| keesj | is Nokia 770 running Windows XP a scam or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nS9kOtA7A | 13:12 |
| tigert | keesj: just give a guess | 13:13 |
| tigert | since when was there an ARM version of XP? | 13:13 |
| keesj | and it is pretty fast. perhaps it's rdesktop? | 13:13 |
| tigert | you can actually see from the way the screen redraws it's probably VNC | 13:13 |
| suihkulokki | vnc? rdesktop? :) | 13:13 |
| trenka | is it true, that rdesktop works without keyboard support ? | 13:14 |
| keesj | I have neven had such good framerates with vnc | 13:14 |
| trenka | did not check, just asking | 13:14 |
| |tbb| | is it normal that the rss reader applet wont have a scrollbar to scroll down for all items? | 13:16 |
| |tbb| | btw it was remotedesktop on os2005 | 13:16 |
| nomis | does anyone know where the pixmaps for the brightness/volume statusbar applets are located? | 13:18 |
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| kulve | nomis: find /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ -name \*stat\* | 13:19 |
| kulve | maybe those | 13:19 |
| nomis | kulve: ah right. | 13:21 |
| nomis | kulve: thanks. I did not dig into hicolor for some weird reason... :) | 13:21 |
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| neostrider | hello fellows | 13:22 |
| neostrider | any SDL developer in the house? | 13:24 |
| |tbb| | IIRC the rssreader on os2k6 does it, could anyone confirm that | 13:26 |
| neostrider | ttb, do you have de deb there? | 13:27 |
| |tbb| | do u mean me? i mean the built in rssfeed reader applet | 13:28 |
| neostrider | oh | 13:29 |
| neostrider | ok | 13:29 |
| neostrider | never been able to test it | 13:29 |
| neostrider | i thought you were talking about a 3rd party tool | 13:29 |
| |tbb| | i would like to have a rssfeedreader applet which scrolls the items automaticly like a newsticker ;) but im not a developer right now ;( | 13:30 |
| neostrider | this newsticker...can you give me its url? | 13:32 |
| neostrider | maybe I can build it for you | 13:32 |
| neostrider | but I wouldnt be able to test it | 13:32 |
| neostrider | I dont have wireless | 13:33 |
| keesj | neostrider: I am wanabe sdl developer | 13:33 |
| neostrider | keesj..its me, Daniel Monteiro heheh | 13:35 |
| keesj | :) | 13:35 |
| neostrider | Ive been able to build a package ! =-D | 13:35 |
| neostrider | but only for a very simple app | 13:35 |
| neostrider | but I can only run it through x-terminal | 13:36 |
| neostrider | and thats my problem right now | 13:36 |
| keesj | great, I have been quite happy building them with mud | 13:36 |
| neostrider | can you take a little peek at it? | 13:36 |
| keesj | you can look at some examples there on how to create a menu icon | 13:37 |
| Veggen | neostrider: hildon development is not that difficult. Take a look at the hello world app, for example. | 13:37 |
| neostrider | veggen...im a SDL developer...as I am a game developer | 13:37 |
| neostrider | I want to learn hildon some day | 13:37 |
| neostrider | but right now, im in a big SDL project | 13:37 |
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| neostrider | keesj, where are this examples? im hunting SDL apps with source like a crazy | 13:38 |
| keesj | they are in mud , there is a sauna app and now xmoto | 13:38 |
| keesj | sauna game | 13:38 |
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| keesj | tuxpaint is also sdl based | 13:39 |
| neostrider | I know...but tux paint sources are HUGE | 13:40 |
| neostrider | I will re-download mud then | 13:40 |
| neostrider | but I couldnt find a link...in wich section is it? | 13:40 |
| keesj | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/index.php?id=gettingstarted | 13:40 |
| neostrider | thanks =-) | 13:41 |
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| neostrider | and how is xmoto going? | 13:41 |
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| keesj | I want to ask for beta tester today , | 13:41 |
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| keesj | I have setup a testing repository , and tryint to find the .install file information | 13:42 |
| keesj | I also created a small video that is currently being uploaded to google | 13:42 |
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| neostrider | I would love to test it | 13:43 |
| keesj | So it is going pretty well I would say , still no keyboard input but I have hacked around it | 13:43 |
| neostrider | requires internet conection on the device to test? | 13:43 |
| keesj | neostrider: do you have a 770 or a n800? | 13:44 |
| neostrider | 770 | 13:44 |
| neostrider | scirocco | 13:44 |
| neostrider | keesj...do I need a internet conenction on the device to test it? | 13:45 |
| keesj | no , but you will need to download a few .deb files | 13:46 |
| neostrider | no problem | 13:46 |
| neostrider | just tell me what to do =-) | 13:46 |
| keesj | I will first build the packages and test ok :p | 13:48 |
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| neostrider | ok =-) | 13:49 |
| neostrider | but hey | 13:49 |
| neostrider | can you take a little peek at my package? | 13:49 |
| neostrider | its very small | 13:49 |
| neostrider | it does build | 13:49 |
| keesj | yes sure | 13:49 |
| neostrider | install | 13:49 |
| neostrider | but doesnt run | 13:49 |
| neostrider | "kidsketch - loading" does nothing | 13:49 |
| keesj | it was the 3d engine? | 13:49 |
| neostrider | not yet | 13:50 |
| keesj | send it to my email ok? | 13:50 |
| neostrider | just a stupid drawing app I done as my first maemo project | 13:50 |
| neostrider | ok... | 13:50 |
| neostrider | sending | 13:50 |
| |tbb| | any good tutorial how to install xephyr etc. for using scratchbox | 13:52 |
| neostrider | ttb, I just apt'ed it | 13:52 |
| neostrider | ubuntu has it | 13:52 |
| neostrider | it was a bless hehe | 13:52 |
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| neostrider | tbb, I dont recommend xnest | 13:59 |
| neostrider | it gave a lot of headache to get the SDK working for quite some time | 13:59 |
| neostrider | hey...what name should I give to the dbus service of my SDL app? | 14:00 |
| _follower_ | bob? | 14:02 |
| neostrider | nice name | 14:03 |
| neostrider | hahahah | 14:03 |
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| |tbb| | yads | 14:12 |
| * Jaffa sees a mail on maemo-dev talking about an umbrella project which sounds an awful lot like mud-builder | 14:15 | |
| neostrider | hey keesj, this mud thing it doing something strange =-) | 14:15 |
| neostrider | <package> | 14:16 |
| neostrider | <fetch type="debian"> | 14:16 |
| neostrider | <name>cal</name> | 14:16 |
| neostrider | </fetch> | 14:16 |
| neostrider | </package> | 14:16 |
| neostrider | sorry | 14:16 |
| neostrider | wrong copy & paste | 14:16 |
| neostrider | Get:8 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free Packages [2126B] | 14:16 |
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| Jaffa | neostrider: what's strange? | 14:17 |
| neostrider | I didnt expected it to do it | 14:19 |
| keesj | YOYOYO xmoto on the N800 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5434097291911279996 | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | neostrider: to do what? You're saying fetch a package from upstream debian and build it. | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | keesj: btw, what was the problem you were having with 770/N800 for depends? | 14:19 |
| neostrider | why fetch? | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | neostrider: have you read http://mud-builder.maemo.org/docs/index.php?id=packageformat ? | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/index.php?id=packageformat sorry | 14:20 |
| neostrider | briefly | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | keesj: excellent video :-) | 14:21 |
| keesj | Jaffa, the default debian control file created by dh_make is different between the versions.(version 3.6.0 v.s. versoin 3.6.1) and diff format we use do not support this | 14:21 |
| neostrider | im not very familliar with debian packages (I came from a Series 60 universe =-P) | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | neostrider: The <fetch> tag says where to find the upstream source and how to unpack it. By specifying <fetch type="debian"> you're saying, go and get the source to the upstream debian package "cal", and unpack it in .../build/cal/cal-.../ | 14:22 |
| neostrider | (why is "kibe loko - programa do jo" related to the xmoto video?! hahahahhaha) | 14:22 |
| neostrider | oh | 14:22 |
| neostrider | ok | 14:22 |
| Jaffa | keesj: erk, really? Damnit. Can you post an example of each to the mailing list? | 14:22 |
| neostrider | I just saw a missing xml and tried to provide that one | 14:22 |
| keesj | Jaffa, I think I would prefer to have a (build-depends)-add/remove in the mud file | 14:24 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: agreed, although dpkg-buildpackage seems to do clever stuff with the ${shlib:Depends} and working out from ldd which packages need including. | 14:25 |
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| neostrider | good lord keesj...you did some great job! | 14:37 |
| keesj | neostrider, there are some guru's here who will be able to optimize this | 14:38 |
| neostrider | feels almost like the pc! | 14:39 |
| neostrider | (well, on the 300mhz n800 ;-) ) | 14:39 |
| keesj | yes and this in really a "normal" version with not much tweaking for the n800 | 14:40 |
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| keesj | I want to experiment with pixel doubling and I really want to program some assembly | 14:41 |
| neostrider | risky =-) | 14:41 |
| neostrider | but you seem skilled enough | 14:41 |
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| keesj | it is mainly time I have put into it , not skill but thanks anyway | 14:42 |
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| neostrider | yeah | 14:45 |
| neostrider | you have the same problem that i have | 14:45 |
| neostrider | i was stuck for qui | 14:45 |
| neostrider | quite some time | 14:45 |
| neostrider | so my projects almost stopped | 14:46 |
| neostrider | and maemo is not exactly easy to develop =-) | 14:46 |
| keesj | I has been a great learning experience for me and I love maemo for that | 14:47 |
| jait | uh oh, I just had a look at the *manual* installation instructions for maemo SDK 3.0 | 14:47 |
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| keesj | jait, the automated is also pretty much manual :p | 14:49 |
| jait | but do i really have to create the "sbox provided virtual packages" for every target? | 14:49 |
| lardman | jait: The maemo*sdk*.sh file worked okay for me | 14:53 |
| neostrider | well keesj... I would say the same | 14:53 |
| neostrider | but Im not quite strong yet | 14:54 |
| |tbb| | is there a src available for the rssreaderapplet? | 14:54 |
| neostrider | anyway...im creating a script for creating all that package files junky automaticly | 14:54 |
| jait | well, even if I could use it, I guess would have to create the virtual packages for every new target | 14:54 |
| jait | which is really moronic | 14:54 |
| neostrider | well fellows | 14:57 |
| neostrider | im leaving | 14:58 |
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| jait | but I guess this depends on the rootstraps, which should obviously have some kind of "postinst" magic to do this automatically | 14:58 |
| neostrider | keesj, please, later, take a look at my package | 14:58 |
| keesj | yup | 14:58 |
| neostrider | thanks! | 15:00 |
| neostrider | bye | 15:00 |
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| kkito | hello :) | 15:02 |
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| VRe | I wonder if that develtoolkit 2.2 is out like I understood from Ari Jaaksi's blog? | 15:19 |
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| maddler | oh... heya Jaffa... | 15:30 |
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| |tbb| | tb@S574rm3d14:~$ /scratchbox/login | 15:31 |
| |tbb| | bash: /scratchbox/login: Keine Berechtigung | 15:31 |
| |tbb| | whats wrong? no permission | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | |tbb|: my guess would be that you haven't added yourself to the sbox group | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | either that, or you have, but then you did not log in and the new group didn't take effect yet | 15:32 |
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| kkito | Do you know if nokia has any plans to realize a powervr driver for n800 ? | 15:38 |
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| nomis | hmm, any garage admin available? | 15:44 |
| c0ffee | i think they're bussy fixing the broken hardware | 15:45 |
| nomis | hmm, at least the site is online at the moment. | 15:45 |
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| nomis | I wonder if I properly registered my account 7 months ago or if that one is discarded now... :-) | 15:45 |
| c0ffee | you should have a mail with the account details if the registration was complete | 15:46 |
| nomis | then I probably did not confirm. | 15:46 |
| * nomis creates a new account. | 15:47 | |
| mgedmin | hehe, when I registered for my garage account, I was doing five other things simultaneously | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | so of course I immediately forgot the random password I entered | 15:47 |
| c0ffee | like? breath? heart beating? etc.. | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | before I could confirm the account | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | (like reading mail, flashing new os on the 770, reinstalling packages, documenting everything I was doing, chatting on IRC) | 15:48 |
| nomis | eh, which reminds me that I got status messages regarding the hardware-fix on garage. | 15:48 |
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| nomis | now if I only knew my login name. I know the password I used and I know the email-address I used. | 15:49 |
| tigert | heheh | 15:49 |
| tigert | and it wasnt "nomis"? | 15:49 |
| nomis | tigert: it was "simon". doh. :) | 15:50 |
| tigert | hah | 15:50 |
| tigert | ok :) | 15:50 |
| tigert | goody | 15:50 |
| tigert | hmm. new plankton about to hit svn in a moment | 15:50 |
| thomasvs | does anyone know where the typing autocompletion gets stored ? | 15:51 |
| maddler | damn... I messed up screen blanking timeouts with gconf! :) | 15:52 |
| thomasvs | someone gave me an answer yesterday but that was for the handwriting recognition | 15:52 |
| maddler | looks like I'm gonna flash soon... | 15:52 |
| maddler | :) | 15:52 |
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| * nomis has submitted the statusbar-clock project for approval, this will be the (hopefully better maintained) panelclock. | 15:56 | |
| mgedmin | yay for clock! | 15:57 |
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| * mgedmin gets ready to bombard nomis with feature requests | 15:57 | |
| * nomis puts up his shields | 15:57 | |
| nomis | actually if they are reasonable you're welcome to help :) | 15:58 |
| * nomis gets eager and prepares the second project request | 15:59 | |
| * mgedmin nods | 15:59 | |
| nomis | mgedmin: I yesterday tried to use a color from the theme, they however weren't reasonable. | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | sadly I know very little about Gtk+ themes | 16:00 |
| nomis | the text[NORMAL] color for the widgets in the statusbar is a dark gray :-/ | 16:00 |
| thomasvs | etrunko: so I am trying to find the src deb for your rhythmbox port | 16:01 |
| thomasvs | so I can rebuild it for the n800 | 16:01 |
| thomasvs | etrunko: but I can't find it - any idea ? | 16:01 |
| nomis | wow, is the statusbar-clock already approved? That was fast. | 16:04 |
| * mgedmin 's favourite gripe against maemo package porters is not providing src debs | 16:04 | |
| * mgedmin waits for nomis to put some files in the svn repository | 16:05 | |
| tigert | mgedmin: yeah | 16:05 |
| tigert | that sucks a lot | 16:05 |
| tigert | especially if you would want to modify something | 16:05 |
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| tigert | and well, it's a gpl violation too | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | 6000 repositories sucks too :) | 16:05 |
| tigert | hehe | 16:06 |
| tigert | yeah | 16:06 |
| tigert | make allrepos.install ? | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | can a .install file add more than one repository? | 16:06 |
| * mgedmin should experiment if /me had time | 16:06 | |
| tigert | I think it could? | 16:07 |
| tigert | but I am not sure either | 16:07 |
| nomis | mgedmin: I have to do some renaming first though. | 16:07 |
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| maddler | hmm... does anyone knows how to apply default gconf xml files? | 16:10 |
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| mgedmin | define 'apply' in this context | 16:11 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: I made a not-so-smart move and deleted the gconf key in which display timeout values are stored... | 16:15 |
| maddler | /schemas/system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts | 16:15 |
| maddler | and I'm trying to fix it... | 16:15 |
| tigert | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/template/template.png | 16:15 |
| * tigert makes a big sigh of relief | 16:16 | |
| maddler | I found /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/system/osso/dsm/display/%gconf.xml which contains default values for display gconf values... | 16:16 |
| maddler | but I can't figure how to reapply them... | 16:16 |
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| maddler | tigert: nice... | 16:17 |
| tigert | lemme make a deb package | 16:17 |
| maddler | tigert: good... | 16:18 |
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| mgedmin | hehe | 16:18 |
| tigert | the sources you have already :) | 16:18 |
| mgedmin | "Arrows, we just love 'em..." "...are these even used anywhere?" | 16:18 |
| ajturner | ooh, sticker sheet! | 16:18 |
| tigert | hehe | 16:19 |
| tigert | :) | 16:19 |
| tigert | yea, this is the most wacky ever way to do gtk themes | 16:19 |
| maddler | hmmm... | 16:19 |
| tigert | but its also the first ever to not require a gtk engine hacker on standby next to you :) | 16:19 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: no deb src | 16:23 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: i make the tarballs public | 16:24 |
| etrunko | don't remember the right dependencies though | 16:24 |
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| etrunko | thomasvs: and we'll need a "special" playbin code developed by renatofilho | 16:26 |
| tigert | darn. how do I now put this theme for you | 16:26 |
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| maddler | damn... need a gconf guru! :D | 16:27 |
| tigert | this stupid firewall | 16:29 |
| * tigert connects his laptop with his phone 3G | 16:29 | |
| mgedmin | heh | 16:29 |
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| tigert | ok | 16:45 |
| tigert | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ | 16:45 |
| tigert | tell me if it works | 16:45 |
| tigert | its n800 only for now | 16:45 |
| tigert | have to make a version for os2006 next | 16:46 |
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| tigert | since the template has changed a bit | 16:46 |
| tigert | it should install probably on a 770 too but might break stuff, at least the control panel | 16:46 |
| tigert | install -cacher first | 16:46 |
| tigert | it is used to generate a gtkrc cache | 16:46 |
| tigert | when you install the actual theme | 16:46 |
| tigert | does it work? :) | 16:47 |
| tigert | it shouldnt need red pill mode | 16:47 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: statusbarclock is in svn. | 16:49 |
| nomis | mgedmin: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ | 16:49 |
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| wumpus | tigert: I'll try when I get home | 16:50 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: screenshot! | 16:54 |
| kaatis | tigert, both packages installed fine. plankton looks nice | 16:55 |
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| thomasvs | etrunko: where are the source tarballs ? | 16:57 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: i'll upload them to http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/etrunko | 16:58 |
| tigert | doing a screenshot soon | 16:59 |
| tigert | and a blog post | 16:59 |
| tigert | just installing the screenshot tool :) | 16:59 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: going lunch now | 16:59 |
| etrunko | brb | 16:59 |
| tigert | kaatis: cool | 17:00 |
| tigert | thanks | 17:00 |
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| maddler | doh! solved! | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | yay, how? | 17:21 |
| nelson | Anybody else having trouble with nokiausa.com giving you a null Order status: result? | 17:22 |
| nelson | It accepted my discount code just fine, and billed my credit card, but seems not to be shipping the order. | 17:23 |
| mukund | nelson: a friend says that he had trouble ordering the 800 with the US nokia site | 17:23 |
| nelson | If you had this trouble what did you do about it? | 17:23 |
| mukund | he called them apparently | 17:23 |
| |tbb| | how can i get root access under scratchbox | 17:23 |
| nelson | mukund: I hate to do that, because that drives their costs up. | 17:24 |
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| nelson | On the other hand...... | 17:24 |
| hap | nomis: no file ready to install, a screenshot ? :) | 17:24 |
| nomis | hap: well, the clock looks exactly as earlier... :) | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | but it's so pretty we can't stop wanting to look at it :) | 17:25 |
| nomis | mgedmin: svn checkout and compile :) | 17:26 |
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| nelson | "I'll go ahead and push that order through for you, sir. Something must be off in the online store, because this is the second call I've gotten on this." | 17:27 |
| Tak | nelson: on the other hand, if they screw up your order... | 17:28 |
| nelson | Hopefully somebody is keeping track of manual actions by the call center folks, so they can track down these problems. | 17:28 |
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| kkito | someone try to port gngeo to maemo? | 17:31 |
| tigert | ok | 17:32 |
| tigert | blog posted | 17:32 |
| tigert | |tbb|: you dont generally need root in sbox | 17:32 |
| tigert | is there a reason you need it? | 17:32 |
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| nelson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GnGeo | 17:33 |
| maddler | tigert: the theme rocks! :D | 17:34 |
| |tbb| | i was trying to install apps via apt-get in sbox | 17:34 |
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| kulve | |tbb|: no need for root on that | 17:34 |
| |tbb| | but ithink now i have broke my installation | 17:34 |
| |tbb| | nothing work anymore, how can i began from the begining (removing all of the installation from sbox) so i could give it a fresh try | 17:35 |
| kulve | reset you target (does not touch you home dir inside SB) or just make a new target.. | 17:36 |
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| |tbb| | i have extract a rootstrap inside the scratchbox from outside as root | 17:36 |
| kulve | wrong | 17:36 |
| |tbb| | could i remove /scratchbox | 17:37 |
| kulve | that wasn't a good thing.. I'm not sure how to "undo" that.. | 17:37 |
| kulve | you can, but make sure to stop it first.. | 17:37 |
| |tbb| | howto stop it? | 17:37 |
| kulve | depends on the distro.. | 17:37 |
| |tbb| | af-sb-init.sh stop this wont work | 17:38 |
| |tbb| | debian | 17:38 |
| kulve | "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" us root should do it | 17:38 |
| kulve | that af-sb-init.sh is only for starting maemo AF inside one target | 17:38 |
| |tbb| | There were errors during the umounting! | 17:38 |
| kulve | you have probably something running inside there.. | 17:39 |
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| kulve | try to kill all processes start there | 17:39 |
| |tbb| | umount: /scratchbox/users/tb/dev it tells me that is used | 17:39 |
| keesj | tbb are you running the x86 target? | 17:40 |
| |tbb| | yes | 17:40 |
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| nomis | how do I add a project to the Trove Software map? | 17:41 |
| lardman | Has anyone posted a bug about the installer script not working on a 64bit kernel? | 17:42 |
| |tbb| | will a reboot help? | 17:43 |
| nomis | ah, found it. | 17:43 |
| keesj | try playing with lsof ? | 17:44 |
| keesj | reboot hangs my system if sb is not shutdown properly | 17:44 |
| keesj | but a reboot will help :p | 17:44 |
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| tigert | maddler: cool | 17:45 |
| slaine_ | Hey Guys | 17:45 |
| Tak | heh, I'll probably end up doing gngeo sooner or later | 17:45 |
| Tak | (@ kkito) | 17:45 |
| keesj | tbb , usually on my machine it is a qemu process that is running | 17:45 |
| slaine_ | I was asking about this a long time ago, I figure it's about time I asked again | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | tigert: shiny screenshot! | 17:46 |
| tigert | slaine_: ask, don't ask to ask :) | 17:46 |
| slaine_ | Is the maemo platform moving to be a more generic/abstracted project, or is it still /will it always be, specific to the Nokia tablets | 17:46 |
| slaine_ | tigert, takes a while to type that stuff, nice new theme btw. | 17:47 |
| kkito | Tak, i am trying to compile gngeo for maemo but it needs the opengl headers :? | 17:47 |
| tigert | slaine_: cool | 17:47 |
| nomis | slaine_: they want to become more generic. | 17:47 |
| slaine_ | We make a custom platform for a 15/17" terminal and I've been interested in using maemo on it | 17:47 |
| slaine_ | It's a custome Via PC really, with an LCD and touchscreen | 17:48 |
| slaine_ | http://www.lincor.com/marketssolutions1.php | 17:48 |
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| slaine_ | Our web site is pretty lame and you don't really get a feel for the product from it unfortunately. | 17:49 |
| |tbb| | kulve there isnt a process running like this | 17:49 |
| nomis | slaine_: right now you'll run into all kinds of Theme-scalability issues. | 17:49 |
| slaine_ | nod | 17:50 |
| slaine_ | The 15" unit is 1024x768 and the 17" is 1280x1024 | 17:50 |
| zbenjamin | time to go ~ have a nice day @ all | 17:50 |
| kulve | |tbb|: I don't have much hints for you.. Try move /scratchbox to somewhere and boot you computer. Then you should be able to install a new SB and you can remove the old one when you are sure you wont miss anything (deleting "active" SB can e.g. empty your /dev/) | 17:50 |
| slaine_ | We've currently got a custom FC5 based installation, I'm always on the look out for ways to improve on that. | 17:51 |
| keesj | tbb what error message do you get? | 17:51 |
| ||cw | also right now maemo is very tailored to the nokia devices, so much so that easy OS release only runs on one device | 17:51 |
| slaine_ | nod, so not much has changed on the generic front then since I last checked | 17:51 |
| keesj | this one? Check for scratchbox sessions running... | 17:51 |
| keesj | E: You must close your other scratchbox sessions first | 17:51 |
| slaine_ | Or maybe lots has changed, but there's still lots to do | 17:51 |
| ||cw | slaine_: what about starting with GPE? maemo also uses a lot of GPE stuff | 17:52 |
| Tak | mmm, so I see @ opengl | 17:52 |
| kulve | |tbb|: you also must not have any shells as cd'd to any SB directories.. | 17:52 |
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| keesj | slaine_, are the devices constrained with memory and such? do they use screen input? | 17:52 |
| keesj | |tbb|, what that the errror message? | 17:54 |
| slaine_ | keesj, Not really. Pretty beefy compared to embedded hardware, pretty lame compared to PC hardware. | 17:54 |
| ||cw | with miniITX? I cna't see why they would be contraind | 17:54 |
| slaine_ | They range from Via/Intel Celeron's with 128Mb upto 512Mb | 17:54 |
| kkito | well i put the gl headers and now gngeo builds ok... time to test in my n800 if it works.... | 17:54 |
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| Tak | is there libGL on bora? | 17:56 |
| |tbb| | umount: /scratchbox/users/tb/dev: Das Gerät wird momentan noch benutzt | 17:56 |
| kulve | Tak: there woudln't be much use for open gl on n800.. | 17:57 |
| Tak | I disagree, but either way I didn't think it was there | 17:58 |
| kulve | hmm.. what would you do with open gl there? | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | 3d desktop! | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | well, pretty visual effects essentially | 18:00 |
| kulve | without hw acceleration..? | 18:00 |
| wumpus | opengl would probably be horrendously slow | 18:00 |
| Tak | there is some hw acceleration available | 18:00 |
| Tak | simple stuff | 18:00 |
| wumpus | yeah, like blitting quads | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | what's the CPU in the nokia n-gage? it runs opengl reasonably fast | 18:00 |
| kulve | I'm there's nothing usefull | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | although the resolution is much lower | 18:00 |
| wumpus | that won't help a bit for texturing | 18:00 |
| kulve | +surew | 18:00 |
| kulve | -w | 18:00 |
| keesj | Tak, do you have more information about that for me? | 18:00 |
| glassss | mgedmin: 104 or so mhz arm9 | 18:01 |
| wumpus | apart from that, the lcd chip is connected to the processor via a quite slow 16 bit interface | 18:01 |
| Tak | about which? acceleration? | 18:01 |
| glassss | mgedmin: it doesn't run "opengl" that fast | 18:01 |
| kaatis | wtf. my n800 just rebooted spontaneously. something must be leaking bad | 18:01 |
| glassss | mgedmin: custom 3d engines in the games | 18:01 |
| mukund | if you're interested in opengl on the n800, you may want to look at: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/TinyGL/ | 18:01 |
| kulve | according to TI's reference omap2 there is a quite powerful 3d accelerator on omap2, but without support, it's useless.. | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | kaatis: my 770 spontaneously reboots twice a week or so | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | kaatis: check /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts I had a spate of spontaneous reboots caused by the dsp_dld | 18:01 |
| wumpus | ie, the frame buffer isn't even memory mapped, it has to be updated via that parallel bus | 18:01 |
| wumpus | look in the blizzard.c file in the kernel source for more info.. | 18:02 |
| Tak | mukund: nice | 18:02 |
| wumpus | kulve: there is supposed to be, but it isn't used/connected | 18:02 |
| wumpus | they use an external lcd chip | 18:02 |
| kaatis | Jaffa, ok. thanks for the infos. i'd like just to disable sound when i'm not explicitly playing a clip | 18:02 |
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| Jaffa | kaatis: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=976 | 18:03 |
| Robot101 | wumpus: a really slow bus, too. thanks TI. :) | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | kaatis: yeah, mine wasn't doing anything (no audio, whatever) when it rebooted about 4 times in as many hours | 18:03 |
| kulve | Jaffa: put syslog there and see if there will be something.. | 18:04 |
| wumpus | I wonder why they used this slow bus and lcd chip if omap2 has this 3d acceleration thing built in | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | It's been rebooted since, and syslog's deleted on reboot/stored in tmpfs isn't it? | 18:04 |
| wumpus | really a waste :) | 18:04 |
| wumpus | maybe power consumption reasons | 18:04 |
| kulve | I've seen open gl es cube with 400x240 reso running 72fps on n800 :) | 18:05 |
| kulve | but it gets much slower fast with details.. | 18:05 |
| wumpus | yeah, a lot of phones have software 3d too | 18:05 |
| glassss | a lot being nearly every phone | 18:05 |
| wumpus | if you do simple enough stuff it works | 18:06 |
| glassss | that has "3d" | 18:06 |
| wumpus | well I remember nvidia has some phone 3d chips | 18:06 |
| glassss | sometimes it's faster to code 3d in your own j2me routines instead of using built ins | 18:06 |
| kulve | nvidia has lot of them | 18:06 |
| kulve | and they seems to be very nice | 18:06 |
| glassss | wumpus: yes but them being in phones yet... | 18:06 |
| kulve | but probably very expensive too.. | 18:06 |
| wumpus | glassss: yeah, that could be the problem :) | 18:06 |
| keesj | I am going to look if tinygl is suitable to xmoto | 18:07 |
| keesj | hmm perhaps I should first try the default softare opengl on the n800 , perhaps they are better coders :p | 18:08 |
| keesj | Hi really hope I have not spend the last month programming for nothing ! | 18:10 |
| kulve | that open gl es I mentioned is open source (not sure about the lisence though) | 18:11 |
| keesj | neither is openvg right? | 18:11 |
| keesj | sorry misread | 18:11 |
| maddler | noway! I can't set display timeout to anything <> different values... | 18:11 |
| kulve | nope, open vg is some wider set of stuff | 18:11 |
| kulve | (afaik) | 18:11 |
| nomis | mgedmin: have a look at the project pages, I made a release (for IT 2007) | 18:12 |
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| mgedmin | nomis: did you upload it to extras? | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | screenshots of statusbar-clock on OS2007 would be interesting to see | 18:14 |
| jtra | mgedmin, kaatis: mine 770 reboots about twice a week spontaneously too (and it is independent of remaining battery) | 18:14 |
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| ||cw | mine reboots, but not that offten | 18:15 |
| ||cw | more often if I leave some app running, especialy opera | 18:15 |
| nomis | mgedmin: I am still trying to wrap my mind around all the stuff on garage. How do I upload to extras? | 18:17 |
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| Jaffa | nomis: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ExtrasRepository | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | nomis: use http://www.madboa.com/geek/gpg-quickstart/ to generate a RSA (sign only) GPG key | 18:18 |
| nomis | argh. Ok. | 18:18 |
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| Tak | maddler: so how did your experimenting with the display timeout go? | 18:20 |
| maddler | Tak: nothing... | 18:21 |
| maddler | until now at least... | 18:21 |
| maddler | but I managed to restore default values... :D | 18:21 |
| maddler | the only result achieved was to have NO value in dropdown list... | 18:21 |
| Tak | eek | 18:22 |
| maddler | hehehehe... I was almost ready for a flash... | 18:22 |
| maddler | but to surrender is not in my dictionary... | 18:22 |
| maddler | and I *want* _longer_ timeouts... | 18:23 |
| kkito | uoh gngeo running at fullspeed at n800! :D | 18:23 |
| Tak | what did you set it to? | 18:23 |
| kkito | i must to remap the keys | 18:23 |
| kkito | :P | 18:24 |
| Tak | kkito: so copying the header was all that was required? | 18:24 |
| Tak | it didn't complain about missing libs or undefined methods? | 18:24 |
| maddler | Tak: the higher usable value is 300 secs... | 18:24 |
| Tak | maddler: did you try 0? | 18:24 |
| kkito | Tak, I copy my /usr/include/GL from my ubuntu to the scratchbos /usr/include/GL and compiles fine | 18:24 |
| maddler | Tak: the point is that it looks like you cannot change default values... | 18:24 |
| maddler | Tak: I tried both with gconftool -s | 18:25 |
| maddler | Tak: and patching default XMLs | 18:25 |
| * Tak nods | 18:25 | |
| mgedmin | does the configuration app take the list of choices from gconf? | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | I suspect the list is hardcoded in the code | 18:25 |
| kkito | here my configure options for gngeo: CFLAGS="-O4 -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math" ./configure --disable-i386asm --enable-drz80 --enable-cyclone --prefix=/usr | 18:25 |
| maddler | [30,60,120,300] | 18:25 |
| maddler | stored in /schemas/system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts | 18:26 |
| Tak | kkito: are you planning to maintain a gngeo port? | 18:26 |
| maddler | if I try to set that list with gconftool -g /schemas/system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts | 18:26 |
| maddler | the dropdown becomes emtpy... | 18:26 |
| maddler | so I suspect there is something else which needs to be fixed... | 18:26 |
| maddler | dummo... dropdown list size... or something like that... | 18:27 |
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| kkito | Tak, no :P | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | maddler: types? | 18:27 |
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| maddler | s/dummo/dunno/ | 18:27 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: int | 18:27 |
| maddler | checked that already... | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | maddler: gconftool-2 --list-type=int? | 18:27 |
| maddler | is a list of int | 18:27 |
| Tak | :-P | 18:27 |
| maddler | yep... | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | hm | 18:28 |
| maddler | I can set list value... but the the dropdown is empty... | 18:28 |
| maddler | doublechecked --owner as well... | 18:28 |
| maddler | nothing... | 18:28 |
| maddler | I also tried to modify /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/system/osso/dsm/display/%gconf.xml | 18:29 |
| maddler | where I supposed default values were read from... but nothing again... | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | maddler: don't touch /system | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | maddler: edit /system/osso/dsm/display/ directly | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | err | 18:30 |
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| mgedmin | maddler: don't touch /schemas | 18:30 |
| kaatis | spontaneous reboot happened again | 18:30 |
| kulve | kaatis: syslog? | 18:30 |
| maddler | yep... that was my last resort... | 18:30 |
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| mgedmin | onftool-2 -s /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_dim_timeouts -t list --list-type int '[10,30,60,120,300]' | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | works for me | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | I see an extra entry (5 minutes) in the brightness period dropdown | 18:31 |
| maddler | mgedmin: let me try again... | 18:31 |
| maddler | yep... dim is working... | 18:32 |
| maddler | lemme check blank... | 18:32 |
| maddler | damn... what the hell... | 18:34 |
| * maddler wonders what was wrong with his commandline... | 18:34 | |
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| Tak | kkito: in that case, let me know what you did, and I'll put up a port on garage | 18:34 |
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| kkito | Tak, only download the source code from the gngeo project page, unpack it, copy the GL headers, and configure with the command that i pasted before, make and here you have your nice gngeo binary for n800 ;) | 18:36 |
| kkito | but the input isnt correct, it must to recode it, or i dont know if gngeo hav the ability to remap the buttons using a config file | 18:37 |
| kkito | my english is very bad... sorry :) | 18:37 |
| Tak | nah, your english is fine | 18:38 |
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| maddler | mgedmin: is exactly the same command I used before... | 18:38 |
| Tak | are neo geo games all a fixed resolution? | 18:38 |
| kkito | i tested cyberlip and it runs at full speed, i am going to test metal slug... | 18:38 |
| kkito | Tak, yes | 18:39 |
| maddler | could having used gconf-clean.sh changed something? | 18:39 |
| Tak | excellent - onscreen buttons for all! | 18:39 |
| maddler | mgedmin: and the only other diff are the '' | 18:39 |
| maddler | mgedmin: but that shouldn't make any difference since the value was accepted... | 18:40 |
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| mgedmin | maddler: maybe you just needed to close the display settings dialog and reopen it? | 18:45 |
| maddler | mgedmin: done... done... | 18:47 |
| maddler | mgedmin: gconftool-2 -s /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts --owner=osso-applet-display -t list --list-type int [30,60,120,300,600,3600] | 18:48 |
| maddler | this is the commandline I was using... | 18:48 |
| maddler | the only differences are --owner and missing '' | 18:48 |
| maddler | but now it's working anyway... | 18:48 |
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| dwd | Hmmm. Ordering my N800, got a tracking number for UPS from the NSeries site, and UPS don't know anything about it. I wonder what might be the matter. | 19:00 |
| kulve | it will take some ours for it to show in the ups pages | 19:01 |
| kulve | hours | 19:01 |
| jcml_ | dwd: I found that my UPS number wasn't recognised by UPS for a while | 19:01 |
| dwd | Ah. There's a sensible bit of progamming, then. | 19:01 |
| jcml_ | Has anyone in the UK had to return their N800 yet? I've got the "camera flips /twice/" problem that I hear is only fixable in hardware and I'd like to get information about the RMA process ... | 19:03 |
| nomis | jcml_: I've mailed to nokia-online-sales and have not yet gotten a reply. | 19:03 |
| nomis | jcml_: I am worried about my discount code. | 19:04 |
| dwd | jcml_: If it's anything like the 770's returns and repair handling, I'd be worried. | 19:04 |
| jcml_ | :(( | 19:04 |
| dwd | nomis: In what way? Mine worked on the NSeries shop site, but not the one linked to from the discount email. | 19:05 |
| dwd | jcml_: My 770 had the white screen of death, and was taken away for over 6 weeks. | 19:05 |
| nomis | dwd: I phoned them to learn how they handle returns, and they want to pick up the device and refund my money. | 19:06 |
| jcml_ | WTF? /seriously/? | 19:06 |
| dwd | jcml_: Yep. | 19:06 |
| nomis | dwd: if things go wrong I'll end up with no N800 and no discount code. | 19:06 |
| dwd | jcml_: They, erm, lost it. | 19:06 |
| jcml_ | christ | 19:07 |
| bedboi | nomis: what are you talking about | 19:07 |
| bedboi | ? | 19:07 |
| dwd | nomis: Refunding the price you paid, or the price of a new N800, though? | 19:07 |
| nomis | dwd: the price I paid of course. | 19:07 |
| bedboi | nomis: they have charged you too much | 19:07 |
| bedboi | ? | 19:07 |
| nomis | bedboi: no, my N800 suffers from a defective camera. | 19:07 |
| bedboi | ah | 19:07 |
| hub | nomis: then it will be fixed or exchanged | 19:08 |
| hub | nomis: like any other service | 19:08 |
| nomis | hub: I asked the guy on the phone and he told me that their system would not allow exchange. Yes, this is utterly stupid. | 19:08 |
| hub | nomis: probably as stupid as not selling it in Canada. not surprised in the end | 19:09 |
| hub | nomis: call the tech support? | 19:09 |
| nomis | hub: I am not going to open the device myself. | 19:09 |
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| hub | nomis: not saying that | 19:10 |
| jcml_ | nomis: was this "no exchange" problem caused by a cross-border complication of any kind? | 19:10 |
| suihkulokki | nomis: where did you call to ask for changing ? | 19:10 |
| nomis | jcml_: well, the device shipped from belgium, but the transaction should be governed by german law completely. | 19:10 |
| hub | jcml_: no. I'm the one talking cross-border | 19:10 |
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| nomis | suihkulokki: the phone number as specified on the notice of delivery. | 19:11 |
| jcml_ | ta | 19:11 |
| hub | europe has not border | 19:11 |
| hub | :-) | 19:11 |
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| suihkulokki | nomis: perhaps they did not understand your complaint.. things like defective cameras are handled by authorized repair centers | 19:12 |
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| nomis | suihkulokki: I think I made it pretty clear to that guy that I suspect a hardware defect. He said "don't worry you're covered by the 14-days no-questions-asked thing as requested by law anyways". | 19:13 |
| maddler | nomis: I really can't understand why can't you get you N800 replaced instead of a refund | 19:14 |
| nomis | maddler: I can't understand it either. | 19:14 |
| hub | nomis: tell him you want to get it *fixed* | 19:14 |
| hub | sometime things are lost in translation | 19:14 |
| nomis | what translation? | 19:14 |
| nomis | the guy on the phone was speaking german :) | 19:15 |
| jcml_ | Anyone know if the camera issue can be fixed by a Nokia Service Centre? | 19:15 |
| jcml_ | Or is that a bad idea ... ? | 19:15 |
| maddler | jcml_: sounds fine to me... | 19:15 |
| jcml_ | maddler: did you try that for your 770 WSOD? | 19:16 |
| maddler | I mean... if he bought not using discount code... I can't believe he couldn't get it repaired/replaced... | 19:16 |
| tigert | my n800 has similar camera switch prob | 19:16 |
| hub | nomis: call that a joke | 19:16 |
| maddler | jcml_: no... | 19:16 |
| jcml_ | maddler: oops - meant dwd, not you | 19:16 |
| jcml_ | maddler: oh - did you have one, too? | 19:16 |
| maddler | I've always been lucky... :) | 19:16 |
| maddler | yep... :D | 19:16 |
| maddler | 770 was my first love... | 19:16 |
| jcml_ | :) | 19:16 |
| jcml_ | me2</aol> | 19:16 |
| maddler | it was the device who made me decide to leave Palm after *years*! | 19:17 |
| nomis | hub: ok :) | 19:17 |
| maddler | I was using Palm since the eve of the Palm Pilot... | 19:17 |
| maddler | 10 years? | 19:17 |
| jcml_ | heh - it was my first portable device evar | 19:17 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: ping | 19:17 |
| maddler | no... I'm a technogeek... | 19:17 |
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| Tak | ditto @ jcml_ | 19:17 |
| maddler | btw... the no_blank_display hack rocks! | 19:18 |
| maddler | I have my logs scrolling on N800! | 19:18 |
| maddler | hahahaha | 19:18 |
| jcml_ | tigert: any idea if the camera issue is a certain batch that got a wrongly spec'd camera/trip switch/etc, or an actual manufacturing issue? | 19:19 |
| tigert | no idea. i didnt bother anyone about it yet. | 19:20 |
| tigert | i can open mine and see if it shows anything misplaced or such | 19:20 |
| jcml_ | ooo - could you, please? If it's an /easy/ hack, I'd be willing to try it ... :) | 19:21 |
| nomis | here are other people discussing this issue. It seems to affect a batch of devices: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4351 | 19:21 |
| jcml_ | ... but I don't want to invalidate the warranty finding out it's unfixable without a replacement! | 19:21 |
| nomis | tigert: and keep the macro lens ready :) | 19:21 |
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| tigert | yea | 19:23 |
| tigert | will try to have time | 19:24 |
| maddler | nomis: but isn't the camera working at all? or what? | 19:24 |
| maddler | (wasn't reading) | 19:24 |
| monteslu | hey guys, I've been out of if for a bit, is there going to be a 2007 OS for the 770 ? | 19:24 |
| nomis | maddler: the switch that senses the turning of the camera does not operate properly. | 19:24 |
| jcml_ | maddler: same symptoms as on the ITT thread 5 lines above ... | 19:24 |
| nomis | maddler: i.e. the image does not get flipped when I turn the camera backwards. | 19:24 |
| jcml_ | nomis: does yours not flip at all, or does it flip /twice/? | 19:25 |
| nomis | (or only gets flipped when the cam points to the top) | 19:25 |
| tigert | if its the same prob,the camera rotated -switch will trip back | 19:25 |
| tigert | when one rotates it enough | 19:25 |
| jcml_ | Dammit. That really should have been caught in QA :( | 19:26 |
| nomis | for me its really exactly the same as described in the thread. | 19:26 |
| tigert | it feels like there is a contact prob w/ the switch | 19:26 |
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| tigert | none of my several protos have this problem | 19:27 |
| jcml_ | tigert: mine feels rough at first, but no moreso than I'd expect from a rotating camera ... | 19:27 |
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| tigert | so it feels like bad luck in manufacturing | 19:27 |
| jcml_ | "at first" == "3 o'clock to 12 o'clock" | 19:28 |
| tigert | the camera itself works ok | 19:28 |
| Robot101 | has anyone played with the internet call invitations? | 19:28 |
| nomis | (except for the baaaad noise in the image, but I guess thats the same in all devices) | 19:28 |
| roope | yeah, i also haven't seen one broken like that. | 19:29 |
| Robot101 | nomis: the camera's not very good in artificial light | 19:29 |
| nomis | and it could be positioned better, so that it actually captures the person looking at the device. | 19:30 |
| konfoo | tigert: any chance for a 12pt version of your new theme? :) | 19:30 |
| kkito | do you know where i can find the keycodes from a n800? | 19:31 |
| jcml_ | kkito: xev is available from some repo or other ... | 19:32 |
| tigert | konfoo, no. too small :) | 19:33 |
| kkito | jcml_, thx if google doesnt find it for me i will try to install xev :P | 19:33 |
| tigert | do it yourself :) | 19:33 |
| jcml_ | :) | 19:33 |
| ||cw | tigert: do you have a gimp file of it? | 19:34 |
| tigert | also, a lott of the superfluous padding and borders can be tweaked | 19:34 |
| ||cw | or photoshop, or something vector and object based | 19:34 |
| konfoo | tigert: heh ok | 19:34 |
| tigert | its just matchbox and gtk themes you know :) | 19:34 |
| konfoo | tigert: you need some glasses :) | 19:35 |
| tigert | i should do one where the app is flush to the right screen border | 19:35 |
| tigert | cw, svg isnt ok? ;) | 19:35 |
| tigert | open your eyes :) | 19:36 |
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| konfoo | tigert: indeed - that 5px gap on the right between the scroll bar in opera and the edge of the display is annoying. wasted screen real estate | 19:36 |
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| tigert | i removed the Gimp file as it didnt quite work for this. its a lot better to do it in vectors | 19:36 |
| tigert | konfoo. agreed. i am trying to make the graphics folks into senses with a largish cluebat | 19:37 |
| konfoo | tigert: the menu bar on the left side of the screen is a lot of wasted space as well.. but maybe that's just me | 19:38 |
| * koen|wifi_ hands tigert some polishing tools for his cluebat | 19:38 | |
| tigert | but it should mostly be config files and theming, so just dig in and try different things if you have time. | 19:38 |
| tigert | koen, i do my own polished themes for myself :) | 19:39 |
| koen|wifi_ | tigert: the plankton theme looks nice | 19:39 |
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| tigert | it just took a while to do | 19:39 |
| tigert | noticed the usability improvement in the thumb keyboard? | 19:40 |
| * koen needs to figure out why meamo-maper is so unstable on the n800 | 19:40 | |
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| jcml_ | tigert: definately! | 19:40 |
| maddler | koen: working fine with me... | 19:40 |
| maddler | tried 1.3.5? | 19:40 |
| tigert | it has a strong blue color on the presed down buttons, so you get better feedback when typing. important for typing accuracy and speed at least for me. | 19:41 |
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| jcml_ | tigert: It's now /totally/ "chatting on gtalk while walking down the street"-able :) | 19:41 |
| maddler | tigert: is there an installable/usable release of the theme? | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | jcml_: :D | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | tigert: the thing that annoys me most is the difference between when it clicks, and when it actually registers a keypress | 19:41 |
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| tigert | jcml, yea. the thumb kbd is the best handheld input method i have used. | 19:41 |
| tigert | i love it | 19:41 |
| maddler | tigert: I didn't liked it too much on 770... | 19:42 |
| maddler | because of the feedback... | 19:42 |
| tigert | robot. yeah. that sucks. should be part of the input method | 19:42 |
| maddler | on N800 it's a LOT better... | 19:42 |
| maddler | and yes... I'm using it a lot! | 19:42 |
| koen_ | maddler: it works fine, but it justs exits at random | 19:42 |
| maddler | koen_: who knows... | 19:42 |
| tigert | anone got a usb click transducer? tat could work for feedback nicely ;) | 19:43 |
| kkito | sorry but i cannt find the package with xev, if someone can help me please :) | 19:43 |
| maddler | tigert: hahaha | 19:43 |
| jcml_ | tigert: if only you could get slight ridges to pop out of the screen to provide some /tactile/ clue about the thumb board ... :) | 19:43 |
| tigert | yea, on n800 the thumb kbd is faster and thus easier to type with | 19:43 |
| maddler | ok... TTL here... | 19:43 |
| maddler | later dudes... | 19:43 |
| tigert | jc, yea. lots could be done really with fairly simple things ;) | 19:44 |
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| jcml_ | :) | 19:44 |
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| jcml_ | kkito: I must've been thinking of the 770, as I can't see it in my 800's package list. I'll check the 770 later this evening and let you know if that'd be useful ... | 19:47 |
| Tak | kkito: are you looking for keys for the gngeo config file? | 19:48 |
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| kkito | Tak, yes | 19:51 |
| Tak | p1key 288,289,27,285,287,13,273,274,276,275 | 19:51 |
| kkito | Tak, thank you! :) | 19:52 |
| Tak | should give you zoomin, zoomout, esc, menu, fullscreen, enter, up, down, left, right | 19:52 |
| Tak | for a, b, c, d, start, coin, up, down, left, right (respectively) | 19:52 |
| kkito | :) | 19:53 |
| thomasvs | etrunko: pong | 19:56 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: i've uploaded the rb tarball with dependencies | 19:57 |
| etrunko | http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/etrunko/rhythmbox_maemo.tar.bz2 | 19:57 |
| thomasvs | etrunko: cool, now I need to figure out how I build a deb for the n800 in scratchbox | 19:57 |
| thomasvs | etrunko: unless it needs code changes for hildon ? | 19:57 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: it might not be necessary | 19:58 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: the dependencies are already installable | 19:58 |
| etrunko | there is still some work to do in rb code | 19:58 |
| Tak | I'm having a mental blank - how can I do: #ifdef FOO or BAR ? | 19:59 |
| etrunko | and we have to figure out a way to package the maemo-decodebin | 19:59 |
| etrunko | Tak: #if defined FOO || defined BAR | 19:59 |
| Tak | ah, there it is - thanks | 19:59 |
| etrunko | Tak: np | 19:59 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: please tell me if there's still some dependency missing | 20:00 |
| etrunko | but i think it's everything there | 20:00 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: oh, and i'd be nice to adapt the changes to 0.9.7 also | 20:00 |
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| thomasvs | etrunko: maemo-decode is source, so that is something I need to build a deb for too ? | 20:03 |
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| etrunko | thomasvs: README | 20:03 |
| etrunko | thomasvs: and it needs some tests | 20:03 |
| * thomasvs wonders why playbin needs replacing | 20:04 | |
| etrunko | thomasvs: i dunno also | 20:04 |
| etrunko | let me see if renatofilho has some better explanation | 20:05 |
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| etrunko | renatofilho: hi | 20:06 |
| renatofilho | hi etrunko | 20:06 |
| etrunko | renatofilho: remember that gst element you created for rhythmbox on maemo? | 20:07 |
| renatofilho | etrunko: yes | 20:07 |
| etrunko | why do we need to replace the playbin from gst-plugins-base? | 20:07 |
| etrunko | btw, does maemo has a playbin? | 20:08 |
| renatofilho | etrunko: maemo has but no work with dps elements | 20:08 |
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| Tak | kkito: can I put your name in the authors file? | 20:28 |
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| andreasn | tigert: hey | 20:28 |
| tigert | hi | 20:28 |
| tigert | :) | 20:28 |
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| tigert | so do you want to try out the theme tool? | 20:28 |
| tigert | got a device btw? | 20:29 |
| andreasn | no, I want to replace the icons | 20:29 |
| andreasn | to see what works and what's don't | 20:29 |
| tigert | ah okay | 20:29 |
| andreasn | and what's missing and stuff | 20:29 |
| tigert | then you can also just install ssh | 20:29 |
| tigert | well | 20:29 |
| tigert | andreasn: its all a mess | 20:29 |
| tigert | we use totally different sizes, | 20:29 |
| andreasn | no kidding :) | 20:29 |
| tigert | the filenames are all weird | 20:29 |
| tigert | etc | 20:29 |
| tigert | the sizes actually have a reason since the screen density is so big | 20:30 |
| andreasn | I've pasted generated icons from g-i-t in the 54x64 images | 20:30 |
| andreasn | going to test how it works out now | 20:30 |
| Robot101 | PLEASE MIND THE GAP BETWEEN THE SDK AND REALITY | 20:31 |
| tigert | :) | 20:31 |
| Tak | there's a gap?! | 20:31 |
| tigert | andreasn: so to get the icons and try out things, | 20:33 |
| tigert | you can install ssh from the "maemo" repository | 20:33 |
| tigert | (and change your root pwd) | 20:33 |
| tigert | then if you have wlan, just scp /usr/share/icons to your desktop and look there | 20:33 |
| tigert | and take a backup and replace stuff and scp back | 20:33 |
| tigert | and reboot to see changes | 20:33 |
| andreasn | a, good tip | 20:34 |
| tigert | we try to get icons also themeable | 20:34 |
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| tigert | they are in the correct place and one can force icon theme change in gtkrc of course, | 20:34 |
| tigert | but not everything might work, as some apps might assume things are in a fixed path | 20:34 |
| tigert | but most things should be ok | 20:34 |
| tigert | but the names are all wierdo | 20:34 |
| tigert | and the sizes | 20:35 |
| andreasn | so we need some icon-naming-utils voodoo? | 20:35 |
| tigert | and there are png's in scalable/ dir etc horror | 20:35 |
| tigert | "some" is the understatement of the year | 20:35 |
| tigert | but yeah | 20:35 |
| tigert | some stuff can be done definitely | 20:35 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 20:50 |
| nelson | Hi. | 20:50 |
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| kkito | Tak, yes :) you can put WereWolf (irc-hispano) | 20:58 |
| Tak | will do | 20:59 |
| kkito | Tak, thank you! | 20:59 |
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| Tak | no, thank you | 21:00 |
| tigert | have you guys tried videocalls? | 21:05 |
| Tak | sweet - my activity percentage is 66.6% :-) | 21:05 |
| tigert | and do you also get this "scratching" mode of audio every now and then? | 21:05 |
| tigert | like very distorted audio? | 21:06 |
| tigert | I am trying to figure out what causes it | 21:06 |
| part | tigert: yes, and it worked for us | 21:06 |
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| tigert | strange | 21:07 |
| tigert | it generally works okay | 21:07 |
| tigert | but after say, 10 mins I sometimes get this brief moment of distorted audio | 21:08 |
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| tigert | then it works again | 21:09 |
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| Tak | does SDL_HWSURFACE actually get us any benefit on the 770 or n800? | 21:12 |
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| c0ffee | hum | 21:18 |
| c0ffee | would be fun to use the sisusbvga driver with the 800 i guess | 21:18 |
| henryykt | hi all | 21:18 |
| c0ffee | so you could use it for making presentations | 21:18 |
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| maddler | damn... the gconftool stuff didn't worked! | 21:42 |
| maddler | mge around? | 21:42 |
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| keesj | c0ffee, what is sisusbvga , and why can you make presentations with it? | 21:50 |
| Tak | usb display driver, correct? | 21:51 |
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| ||cw | keesj: SIS usb VGA adapter i'd guess | 22:01 |
| ||cw | c0ffee: it would be "fun" except that the 800 has no USB host support like the 770 does | 22:02 |
| c0ffee | doesn't have or isn't enabled yet? | 22:03 |
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| ||cw | n on eis really clearn, but there's refernces to the hardware to support it not being wired up | 22:04 |
| c0ffee | well | 22:05 |
| c0ffee | another advantage of the 770 then | 22:06 |
| trenka | c0ffee: have you hacked fiasco ? | 22:08 |
| maddler | no... restarting dbus daemon is *not* a good idea! :D | 22:08 |
| hub | not USB host suppport? | 22:09 |
| hub | damn | 22:09 |
| hub | I'll stick to the 770 for that then :-( | 22:09 |
| maddler | looks like that after so much experimenting is almost time for a reflash! :D | 22:09 |
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| ||cw | c0ffee: found it, list email on usb host mode http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007255.html | 22:11 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:12 |
| etrunko | please test http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/etrunko/evince_n800.tar.gz | 22:14 |
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| rev | hey! i just go a new n800. i've one nagging question- how the hell do i put the thing to sleep? you know, like when i put my 770 in its sleeve | 22:19 |
| Disconnect | ||cw: you're gonna make me cry :( usb host was the best thing about the tablet... | 22:19 |
| rev | i don't want to do a rfull shut down, that would be nuts | 22:19 |
| maddler | rev: how much can you pay? :D | 22:19 |
| rev | Disconnect: usb host on what? | 22:19 |
| rev | maddler: ? | 22:19 |
| Disconnect | rev: n800 - see the url ||cw posted | 22:19 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 22:19 |
| rev | Disconnect: oh, no usb host on the 800? a bummer, but i never got around to soldering my 770. oh well. :/ | 22:20 |
| maddler | rev: you need to patch a XML file... | 22:20 |
| Disconnect | rev: there was a solder-free 5v injector plan (thoughtfix maybe?) | 22:20 |
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| c0ffee | hum, the maemo downloads page is great | 22:32 |
| c0ffee | "update internet tablet os 2006 release" | 22:32 |
| c0ffee | "this is the final release of the internet tablet os 2006 edition" | 22:32 |
| c0ffee | "the latest internet tablet os 2006 edition" | 22:32 |
| lle2 | x) | 22:34 |
| c0ffee | \o/ ll2 | 22:35 |
| lle2 | they could've just made md5 checksum of the release name and refer to that, would be less confusing | 22:37 |
| Pio | heh | 22:37 |
| c0ffee | lle2, who's responsible for the mac address protected download areas on maemo.org? | 22:42 |
| lle2 | c0ffee: I didn't even know such things existed :) | 22:42 |
| c0ffee | :) | 22:42 |
| c0ffee | what are you doing at nokia nowadays? | 22:44 |
| lle2 | well.. kernel stuff at the moment | 22:44 |
| lle2 | a bit all over the lower layers of the stack, dunno what I can say really. | 22:46 |
| nomis | grgh. My new statusbar applet refuses to show, apparently not even the _initialize function gets called. | 22:46 |
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| suihkulokki | c0ffee: team@maemo.org ,most probably | 22:55 |
| nomis | maemo_af_desktop[6392]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - add_item: assertion `item' failed | 22:55 |
| c0ffee | ferenc is a better bet | 22:55 |
| nomis | that sounds as if it could be a problem, but I don't get why. | 22:55 |
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| acidborg | hi | 23:08 |
| acidborg | I'm my maemo + scratchbox installation | 23:09 |
| acidborg | and I have some questions | 23:09 |
| acidborg | is is normal that the only installed program is maemopad? | 23:10 |
| nomis | acidborg: yes. | 23:10 |
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| nomis | acidborg: it does not contain the full environment from the N800 | 23:11 |
| acidborg | nomis: can I install other programs in my scratchbox installation? | 23:11 |
| nomis | acidborg: yes. some (proprietary) are also mentioned in the maemo scratchbox installation guide. | 23:12 |
| * rev claps his hands ... yea! Squeak works on the N800 with the same VM tarball that you use for the 770! | 23:12 | |
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| acidborg | another question: I'm trying python programming in maemo, but I found this problem: | 23:14 |
| acidborg | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > run-standalone.sh ./prueba-python.py | 23:14 |
| acidborg | Traceback (most recent call last): | 23:15 |
| acidborg | File "./prueba-python.py", line 2, in ? | 23:15 |
| acidborg | import gtk | 23:15 |
| acidborg | ImportError: No module named gtk | 23:15 |
| etrunko | aCiDBaSe: run python2.5 instead of just python | 23:15 |
| etrunko | #!/usr/bin/env python2.5 | 23:15 |
| acidborg | when I use apt-cache search python it only shows python2.3 | 23:15 |
| etrunko | acidborg: python2.3 is from scratchbox | 23:16 |
| acidborg | is this correct or am I missing any repository? | 23:16 |
| etrunko | acidborg: you'll nedd to add deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free non-free | 23:16 |
| etrunko | and deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free | 23:16 |
| etrunko | then apt-get update | 23:17 |
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| etrunko | and fakeroot apt-get install python2.5-* | 23:17 |
| acidborg | etrunko: I've already done that but python2.5 doesn't appears in apt-cache search | 23:19 |
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| etrunko | acidborg: added those two repositories i told you? | 23:22 |
| acidborg | etrunko: yeah | 23:23 |
| etrunko | this should be enough | 23:23 |
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| lardman | Anyone here familiar with gstreamer? | 23:23 |
| lardman | I just compiled the ogg gstreamer plugin to use vfp | 23:23 |
| lardman | and get the following error: | 23:23 |
| lardman | gst-inspect-0.10 --gst-plugin-spew /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvorbis.so | 23:24 |
| lardman | Could not load plugin file: Opening module failed | 23:24 |
| acidborg | etrunko: I'm using scratchbox inside chroot because I'm using AMD64 (I don't know whether this is important) | 23:24 |
| etrunko | acidborg: any error messages while runing apt-get update? | 23:25 |
| etrunko | *running | 23:25 |
| Tak | that's not gstreamer-specific probably | 23:25 |
| acidborg | etrunko: none | 23:25 |
| dwd | lardman: I'd agree with Tak, sounds like a gmodule error. | 23:25 |
| Tak | generic gmodule failure message | 23:25 |
| Tak | I used to get the same one when I was writing gaim plugins ;-) | 23:25 |
| etrunko | acidborg: really weird | 23:26 |
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| lardman | hmm, odd that as the ogg plugin works fine with gst-inspect | 23:27 |
| etrunko | acidborg: try installing the packages manually then | 23:27 |
| etrunko | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/ | 23:27 |
| acidborg | etrunko: I think that maybe my scratchbox installation isn't right, but af-sb-init.sh works for me! | 23:27 |
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| etrunko | acidborg: beware there are different versions | 23:28 |
| acidborg | etrunko: what do you mean? | 23:28 |
| etrunko | try installing the latest python-runtime package to see the exact versions it depends | 23:28 |
| dwd | lardman: I can duplicate that on Ubuntu by using gst-inspect-0.10 on a 0.8 plugin, if that helps. | 23:29 |
| etrunko | acidborg: there were bugs in some packages, that were fixed with new releases | 23:30 |
| lardman | dwd: Thanks for the idea, but the ogg and vorbis plugins came from the same 0.10.9 source | 23:31 |
| acidborg | etrunko: I will reinstall scratchbox | 23:31 |
| acidborg | etrunko: thanks for your help :-) | 23:31 |
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| etrunko | acidborg: no problem | 23:34 |
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| acidborg | thanks again for your help | 23:48 |
| acidborg | bye | 23:48 |
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| nomis | man. I am stuck. | 23:49 |
| nomis | I guess I should start again from the clock applet and slowly cut'n'paste-transform the applet into the new one. | 23:49 |
| nomis | shit. | 23:49 |
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| Jaffa | evening, all | 23:55 |
| c0ffee | \o/ Jaffa | 23:56 |
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