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| lardman | Robot101: Bit late, but I did just find the manual, on the N800 itself | 00:11 |
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| lardman | Can anyone point me to instructions to easily package a command line app - using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, etc.? | 00:47 |
| SyntaxNinja | lardman: have you installed scratchbox, etc? | 00:47 |
| c0ffee | is the app already debianized? | 00:47 |
| lardman | SyntaxNinja: Yes ;) | 00:47 |
| SyntaxNinja | lardman: when I first learned to package tools w/ debian, here's the manual I used: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 00:48 |
| lardman | c0ffee: yes, I have the diff & dsc from debian packages | 00:48 |
| c0ffee | after unpacking the orig sources and applying the diff | 00:48 |
| c0ffee | fakeroot debian/rules binary | 00:48 |
| lardman | hmm, needs slice | 00:49 |
| * sp3000 wonders how that differs from dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b, if at all | 00:49 | |
| c0ffee | probably not :) | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | if you want to compile package foo | 00:49 |
| lardman | sp3000: lardman would also be interested to know | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | you should type apt-get build-dep foo | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | apt-get source foo | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | cd foo-* | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot etc | 00:50 |
| SyntaxNinja | It would be really nice if someone created a n800-dev package which depended on all the right magic packages for maemo and scratchbox and configured the system for cross-compilation using a postinst script or something :) | 00:50 |
| SyntaxNinja | instead of the ~200 steps that I'm following on the wiki, most of which I can't tell whether they apply to me or not ;) | 00:51 |
| c0ffee | hum | 00:51 |
| c0ffee | i just followed the INSTALL.txt and it worked[tm] | 00:51 |
| SyntaxNinja | this one: ? http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.0/INSTALL.txt | 00:53 |
| c0ffee | yes | 00:53 |
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| SyntaxNinja | Hm. I found a different starting point that got me to a generic scratchbox installer wiki page | 00:55 |
| SyntaxNinja | but anyway, I'm learning more about it all this way, so it's OK :) | 00:55 |
| mitcheloc | is anyone here responsible for discount codes? i'm speaking with the author of freeswitch in another IRC room and the n800 isn't compatible (voip capabilities over jabber), if he can get one cheap/free he said he'll add support | 01:02 |
| c0ffee | hum | 01:02 |
| c0ffee | the gtalk is voip over jabber | 01:02 |
| c0ffee | and it uses libjingle | 01:02 |
| lardman | Hmm, I appear to need something called slice, do I need to compile this myself or is it something standard for debian? | 01:02 |
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| c0ffee | mitcheloc, anyway, see http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram applications should be send to Quim dot Gil at maemo.org. | 01:05 |
| mitcheloc | thanks c0ffee, i passed the info along to him :) | 01:06 |
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| mitcheloc | hmm, could someone try calling into "conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org" maybe my device is acting up | 01:09 |
| lardman | damn! I just ran dpkg-buildpackage and it effectively did make distclean. Arrgh | 01:10 |
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| mru | good evening folks | 01:11 |
| mru | I thought someone here might like to know that I just committed some ffmpeg optimizations for armv6 | 01:12 |
| mru | i.e. n800 | 01:12 |
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| lardman | mru: sounds good | 01:13 |
| mru | the sample video that came on the n800 decodes 6% faster than before | 01:13 |
| mitcheloc | mru: how do we access your changes? | 01:13 |
| mru | ffmpeg svn | 01:14 |
| * Jaffa slaps together http://bleb.org/services/tuberss/delays.rss for any Londoners about. | 01:15 | |
| Jaffa | mru: excellent | 01:17 |
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| Markov | is there any documentation to help me out that would precede the maemo Turoial? | 01:28 |
| lardman | Markov: Getting to know about what in particular? | 01:28 |
| Markov | lardman, how do compile a very, very simple program | 01:29 |
| Markov | possibly on linking to libraries | 01:29 |
| Markov | rudamentary stuff | 01:29 |
| lardman | Markov: effectively standard stuff (due to scratchbox), search for gcc | 01:29 |
| lardman | gcc somefile.c -o somefile.out | 01:30 |
| Markov | lardman, "effectively standar stuff" what does this mean? | 01:30 |
| Markov | i know how to use gcc | 01:30 |
| lardman | It's the same then | 01:30 |
| Markov | when i look in the tutorial under building a package, it says to run some dpkg-buildpackage or something | 01:31 |
| Markov | what happened to gcc? | 01:31 |
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| lardman | when you're in scratchbox, you just pretend that you're compiling natively | 01:31 |
| Markov | aaahhhh | 01:31 |
| lardman | Markov: Well that bit has me stumped too, but for simple stuff you can just use gcc as usual. No idea how to package though | 01:32 |
| Markov | lardman, okay. do yo9u know if i can load somefile.out with the provided emulator? | 01:32 |
| lardman | yes you can | 01:32 |
| lardman | just run it inside scratchbox | 01:33 |
| Markov | okay. so what would run-standalone.sh ./maemo_hello do? | 01:33 |
| lardman | the script does some fiddling about to allow GUI apps to be run | 01:34 |
| lardman | or at least maemo linked apps, iirc | 01:34 |
| lardman | I thought you wanted simple though ;) or did you mean simple gui? | 01:35 |
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| Markov | i guess i mean simple gui | 01:38 |
| Markov | is there any use for command line tools on n800 | 01:38 |
| lardman | GUI is always nicer, but things without a GUI will always be needed | 01:39 |
| lardman | e.g. things that don't interact with the user | 01:39 |
| mitcheloc | hmm, tapioca installs but doesn't start on the n800... :( | 01:40 |
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| lardman | mitcheloc: what does the error show? | 01:40 |
| mitcheloc | it just plain doesn't start | 01:42 |
| mitcheloc | i take by the screen shots it was designed for the n770 | 01:42 |
| lardman | mitcheloc: Ah, you could always start it from the command line to see what it says | 01:43 |
| Markov | i'm sorry, but how do i edit a file from w/in scratchbox? | 01:43 |
| lardman | mitcheloc: vi | 01:43 |
| c0ffee | Markov, vim | 01:43 |
| Markov | emacs? | 01:43 |
| lardman | mitcheloc: sorry, wrong person | 01:43 |
| mitcheloc | wrong person :) | 01:43 |
| Markov | i dont use that? | 01:43 |
| mitcheloc | lardman: i'm just going to uninstall it, i re-read the description and it doesn't do what i want | 01:43 |
| c0ffee | Markov, then type vimtutor instead :) | 01:44 |
| mitcheloc | i *really* want a sip client | 01:44 |
| lardman | mitcheloc: My comment about vi | 01:44 |
| mitcheloc | heck i'd pay extra for it if it worked well | 01:44 |
| c0ffee | Markov, do you know gizmo? | 01:44 |
| Markov | no.... | 01:44 |
| mitcheloc | c0ffee: do you mean me? | 01:44 |
| c0ffee | erhm | 01:44 |
| c0ffee | yes :) | 01:44 |
| mitcheloc | c0ffee: heh, yes i know it, but i want this for corporate use, having an external service tied to the client won't work for me | 01:45 |
| mitcheloc | (sorry to be picky) | 01:45 |
| c0ffee | there is (was?) a sipphone port | 01:46 |
| mitcheloc | where is that? | 01:46 |
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| c0ffee | ehrm minisip | 01:48 |
| mitcheloc | from their webpage: "# Maemo (Nokia 770 platform - arm and i386) | 01:48 |
| mitcheloc | Note: The repository is not currently working (packages are out-datedd). We are trying to bring them back to life. You can find information on the build process in the repository source code Documentation." | 01:48 |
| mitcheloc | it's a work in progress | 01:49 |
| c0ffee | well, if you are so picky, you might have to do some extra work :) | 01:49 |
| mitcheloc | indeed, well i was also going to ask if there is anywhere that we can post bounties? | 01:50 |
| mitcheloc | i could put up $100 for an iax2 softphone | 01:50 |
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| c0ffee | there's no bounty program (yet?) | 01:52 |
| c0ffee | but you see, $100... | 01:52 |
| c0ffee | that's not even half an hour of work | 01:52 |
| mitcheloc | i understand, but a bounty is a collective effort as well, hopefully other people can pitch in also, if not nokia themselves :) | 01:53 |
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| * lardman has had enough of battling with debian pacaking for one evening | 01:56 | |
| lardman | and can't spell either, night all | 01:56 |
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| Markov | why does the fs in scratchbox not match the fs outside? | 02:08 |
| Markov | by outside i mean, in a regular shell | 02:09 |
| Markov | how can i fix this problem? | 02:09 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: it's a chroot environment -- that is, a self-contained sandbox | 02:11 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: that's intentional | 02:11 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: you can put some files in /scratchbox/users/<username>/home/<username> if you want them to be available within the chroot environment | 02:12 |
| Markov | Hydroxide: shouldn't i be able to access all the same bash commands though..? | 02:12 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: only what's in the chroot. but you have lots of packages available for installation to provide most functionality | 02:12 |
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| Markov | Hydroxide: [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/MyProjects] > apt-get install emacs E: Couldn't find package emacs | 02:13 |
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| bhima | good morning. | 02:14 |
| mitcheloc | c0ffee: http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/BidRequests/ShowBidRequest.asp?lngBidRequestId=613213 | 02:14 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: try apt-cache search emacs. | 02:14 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: probably emacs21 or similar. there are after all multiple versions of emacs in use | 02:14 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: or, even better, apt-cache search -n emacs | 02:14 |
| Markov | Hydroxide: those are both coming up with nothing | 02:15 |
| Markov | :/ | 02:15 |
| bhima | Can Scratchbox R4 be used to build 770 code, or do you really need two different toolchains? | 02:15 |
| c0ffee | on syslog.movial.fi there's some description howto install the 2.1 roottrap on r4 | 02:17 |
| maihem | can anybody point me to a resource for DSP programming on the n800? Just a step-by-step example would do for a start. | 02:17 |
| c0ffee | mitcheloc, good luck :) | 02:17 |
| mitcheloc | it's a start right? | 02:18 |
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| mitcheloc | :) | 02:18 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: try the debian package, then | 02:18 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: i.e. from Debian | 02:18 |
| Hydroxide | Markov: or install it from gnu.org | 02:18 |
| c0ffee | maihem, search the maemo-development mailing list for talk about that | 02:18 |
| bhima | Are there any technical reasons that 770 binaries couldn't run on the N800? CPU architecture differences? library changes? | 02:23 |
| c0ffee | yes :) | 02:24 |
| c0ffee | there are library differences | 02:24 |
| maihem | c0ffee: I did, but only turned up 770 instructions, seems there's a little more detail in places and the discussion is ongoing, so I'll watch for more. Thanks | 02:24 |
| c0ffee | basically armv5j has a jazelle extension | 02:25 |
| c0ffee | but i don't know whether the 770 really has it or if yes, if any program uses it | 02:25 |
| bhima | So, would it be reasonable to ask Nokia to update the 770's OS so that code which doesn't use N800 only APIs would be binary compatible across both? | 02:28 |
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| konfoo | i love rentacoder | 02:58 |
| konfoo | people wanting full websites for real estate tracking for 100 bucks | 02:58 |
| konfoo | what are they smoking | 02:58 |
| konfoo | (i want some) | 02:58 |
| Markov | has anyone ever seen this error or know what is causing it? /usr/include/hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h:28:24: glib-object.h: No such file or directory | 02:59 |
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| Markov | i get that when i put #include<hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h> | 02:59 |
| mitcheloc | konfoo: hey sometimes they get it for that :) | 02:59 |
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| Markov | i see it in /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib-object.h | 03:01 |
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| arnnn | is there any application that can teach me foreign languages? german and japanese for example ? | 03:33 |
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| konfoo | arnnn: babelfish :) | 03:38 |
| * konfoo whistles | 03:38 | |
| arnnn | konfoo, I think I'll just look for some htm or pdf document contains the vocabulary list | 03:41 |
| mburns | there are many, many foreign language teaching tools in the wild. | 03:41 |
| arnnn | mburns, how about the one that works with maemo 3.0 ? | 03:41 |
| arnnn | it be nice if it can play a sound of how to pronounce some words | 03:41 |
| Markov | you can always get forign language audio | 03:42 |
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| Markov | lots of CDs at your local library i'm sure | 03:43 |
| Markov | you can rip them, and put them on your n800 :) | 03:43 |
| mburns | or move to a country that primarily speaks that language. | 03:43 |
| Markov | i mean cd s for learning the language, not just pop music from the country... ;) | 03:43 |
| mburns | less helpful suggestion, but very effective when used properly | 03:44 |
| Markov | heh | 03:44 |
| arnnn | mburns, thank you for the suggestion | 03:49 |
| mburns | :) | 03:52 |
| Markov | can anyone help me with the error i get while trying to compile a "hello world" program using gcc in which I include hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h ?? please? | 03:58 |
| konfoo | mburns: thats actually the best suggestion of the lot | 04:01 |
| konfoo | even for just a month or two | 04:01 |
| mburns | just need to make a website about it and take donations for the trip :) | 04:01 |
| konfoo | lol | 04:01 |
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| imawinar | greets | 04:42 |
| imawinar | 4 | 04:43 |
| imawinar | 3 | 04:43 |
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| * imawinar wonders about maemo/n770 security | 04:47 | |
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| arnnn | can n800 have japanese language ? | 04:59 |
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| arnnn | how can I make the keyboard to always show itself ? | 05:25 |
| * imawinar dunnos sorry | 05:25 | |
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| bhima | Make sure the insertion point is always ina text field? :) | 05:27 |
| arnnn | bhima, thanks | 05:29 |
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| s-ndh-c | hm | 06:41 |
| s-ndh-c | ist it normal that i cant load the kernel modules that are distributed with the rootfs image? | 06:41 |
| s-ndh-c | i flashed my n770 with the developer rootfs image | 06:42 |
| attetl | window size | 06:42 |
| s-ndh-c | but i cant seem to load the nfs module i need for sbrsh | 06:42 |
| attetl | sorry | 06:42 |
| s-ndh-c | it says invalid module format | 06:42 |
| imawinar | oh you need a module? | 06:48 |
| imawinar | that explains a lot | 06:48 |
| s-ndh-c | iam just wondering why this module that seems to have been installed by flashing the new rootfs does not fot to the running kernel | 06:50 |
| s-ndh-c | *fit* | 06:50 |
| imawinar | i did not try dev system | 06:51 |
| imawinar | what is the nfs modules naming? | 06:52 |
| imawinar | the name | 06:52 |
| s-ndh-c | nfs.ko | 06:52 |
| s-ndh-c | strange thing is too that depmod spits an error at me cause there is only /lib/modules/2.6.16-omap1 and it searches for /lib/modules/2.6.16.27-omap1 | 06:54 |
| s-ndh-c | did i break something? | 06:54 |
| imawinar | on a linux box i would try depmod -a | 07:02 |
| imawinar | did you get errors flashing? | 07:02 |
| s-ndh-c | no | 07:03 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe there is more to do than just flashing the rootfs maybe the kernels are somewhere else? | 07:03 |
| s-ndh-c | but i made sure i installed the os2006 second release thing and then flashed over the developer rootfsimage for maem2.1 | 07:04 |
| s-ndh-c | so i asume that the kernel should be the same or am i wrong? | 07:04 |
| lle2 | s-ndh-c: the kernel is separate from the rootfs | 07:06 |
| s-ndh-c | lle2: but if maemo2.1 is compatible with os2006 second release | 07:07 |
| s-ndh-c | shouldnt they both use the same kernel? | 07:07 |
| lle2 | dunno how the thing that you're trying is shipped but there are four parts that need to be in sync for things to work, bootloader, kernel, initfs and rootfs | 07:07 |
| lle2 | I don't know much about maemo releases and their compatibility, I doub't different releases would use the same kernel, things change. | 07:09 |
| Tak | has anybody tried to load snd-pcm-oss with the stock n800 kernel? | 07:09 |
| imawinar | ah yes s-ndh-c initfs needs to have same kernel version as modules | 07:11 |
| s-ndh-c | imawinar: where do i get that? | 07:14 |
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| imawinar | see howto instructions flashing 770 | 07:15 |
| imawinar | i dont have URL | 07:15 |
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| * bhima just got a wiimote. | 07:24 | |
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| * bhima wonders if there's anything useful he can do with it on his 770. | 07:31 | |
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| s-ndh-c | hm | 07:40 |
| s-ndh-c | but this is only a jffs image it does only contain a new rootfs | 07:40 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 07:40 |
| s-ndh-c | will read the wiki pages again | 07:40 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 07:40 |
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| tigert | morning | 08:09 |
| imawinar | mmm | 08:10 |
| tigert | nice -22C today | 08:10 |
| tigert | looks like nice welcmome to finland -weather for quim :) | 08:10 |
| bhima | It's cold here. Down to 11C. :) | 08:11 |
| * tigert is bus-ircing with the 770 today | 08:11 | |
| bhima | tigert: popup keyboard, or bluetooth? | 08:11 |
| tigert | does the job nicely | 08:11 |
| tigert | thumb keyboard | 08:12 |
| bhima | brand..? | 08:12 |
| tigert | try using a bluetooth one on your lap - not fun | 08:12 |
| bhima | I've tried. | 08:13 |
| tigert | the on-screen finger keyboard i mean | 08:13 |
| tigert | its the best input method for a handheld i have encountered so far | 08:13 |
| * bhima has used a Newton and Apple Newton Keyboard, handheld. :) | 08:13 | |
| bhima | as in, literally walking aorund carrying them. | 08:14 |
| tigert | i dont yet another device to carry | 08:14 |
| tigert | +want | 08:14 |
| tigert | i can type fast enough | 08:15 |
| bhima | The mp2k's touch screen is not thumable. You really need a stylus. | 08:15 |
| bhima | I was thinking of making a chording keybaord built-in to its lid. | 08:16 |
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| tigert | yep. this is a good compromise. | 08:17 |
| tigert | i am surprised with the good typing speed i get with this | 08:18 |
| tigert | the N800 is even a bit better, as the hardware is faster | 08:19 |
| tigert | but this trusty old 770 works great for ssh+irc as well. | 08:20 |
| bhima | I prefer the look of the 770... | 08:20 |
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| tigert | the N800 seems better to hold though thanks to the bump in the back | 08:21 |
| tigert | for finger typing | 08:21 |
| bhima | My boss just got an N800 at compusa. They called it reconditioned, but it was probably used. | 08:22 |
| bhima | $200 | 08:22 |
| tigert | heh, this soon? | 08:22 |
| bhima | He wanted to move the icons to the right side of te screen. Was very disappointed to learn that you couldn't. | 08:22 |
| zuh | I have really dry hands and the N800 feels a bit too slippery for me, I probably should coat the back with leather of something... | 08:22 |
| bhima | I'm guessing it was just a customer return. | 08:22 |
| bhima | zuh: The velcro on the bakc of my 770 increases its friction. | 08:23 |
| tigert | zuh, i took the 770 for todays commute just to feel the difference, | 08:23 |
| cesman | wow $200 for a reconditioned N800! | 08:24 |
| tigert | and this feels more slippery than the N800 to me | 08:24 |
| tigert | i can feel the speed difference but this 770 is still a cute thing | 08:25 |
| tigert | and i think batterylife is better | 08:25 |
| bhima | I'd upgrade for $200. | 08:25 |
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| bhima | Though I still don't like Nokia's abandonment of any significant upgrades while the device is still on sale. | 08:26 |
| tigert | bhima, yeah,. that sucks with us | 08:26 |
| bhima | It makes me much more hesitant to spend a lot of money on an upgrade. | 08:27 |
| tigert | but like Ari blogged, hopefully something can be done. and, it is not abandoned | 08:27 |
| tigert | wasnt there just a new image again? | 08:27 |
| bhima | No new web browser == abandoned. | 08:28 |
| tigert | just not os2007 yet | 08:28 |
| tigert | its opera anyway, i dont think the new one is that different | 08:28 |
| tigert | but i see your point | 08:28 |
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| Tak | updated flash plugin would pacify a lot of people | 08:29 |
| * Jaffa doesn't care about the proprietary stuff. As a developer I want to just have to compile stuff once | 08:30 | |
| tigert | anyone tried to just copy the file? ;) | 08:30 |
| tigert | of course that breaks the eula i would guess. but would it work? | 08:30 |
| jacques | the hardware may be too different for just compiling once | 08:31 |
| Jaffa | Maybe once you've got the hacker edition as a base. | 08:31 |
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| Tak | yeah, I definitely can't just compile stuff once either way | 08:31 |
| jacques | if you compile soft-float for the 770, the 800 gets penalized | 08:31 |
| jacques | (for example) | 08:32 |
| tigert | but we seem to be great at breaking stuff between releases. hopefully that will be fixed. yelling on ari's blog with reasonable hints and suggestions has helped a lot though so keep doing it. | 08:32 |
| Jaffa | jacques: true. API compatibility is a must, though. | 08:32 |
| jacques | yeah API compat I agree with | 08:32 |
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| s-ndh-c | can someone tell me what i did wrong? in the wiki i see nothing that says i need some special kernel image to use the developer rootfs | 09:34 |
| s-ndh-c | but the kernel modules in /lib/modules/ arent for the running kernel | 09:35 |
| s-ndh-c | what steps did i miss? | 09:35 |
| s-ndh-c | i fist flashed the complete os2006 second relese image and then flashed the developer rootfs over that | 09:36 |
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| s-ndh-c | as this rootfs seems to be just some more developer friendly version of the os2006 image with all the default tools striped away + usbnetworking and sbrsh support | 09:43 |
| s-ndh-c | i thought they would use the same kernel atleast | 09:43 |
| konttori | Is the N800 camera really noisy on everybodys N800s? Or does mine have a flaw? | 09:44 |
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| guerby | konttori, very noisy in low light (like VGA camera phones) | 09:54 |
| konttori | So, like noisy always indoors? | 09:54 |
| wumpus | yeah the camera is very noisy | 09:55 |
| konttori | Hmm... makes me wonder why no-one put even a half decent effort on adding low light support to the chat soft / the cam driver. | 09:55 |
| kulve | because it would have costed a lot more (I would guess) | 09:56 |
| c0ffee | i want infra-red support | 09:56 |
| konttori | Like even just by making an average of three frames, noise will subside significantly. | 09:56 |
| konttori | And that's probably the silliest noise cancellation I can think of. | 09:56 |
| s-ndh-c | someone using the dev rootfs? | 10:00 |
| s-ndh-c | i must be missing something | 10:00 |
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| s-ndh-c | those freaking nfs and dependand kernel modules installed by the rootfs just dont match the installed kernel | 10:01 |
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| s-ndh-c | it seems to be the same version but modprobe or insmod both say invalid format | 10:01 |
| s-ndh-c | if someone has some tipp let me know | 10:03 |
| c0ffee | nothing in dmesg? | 10:03 |
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| konttori | c0ffee: do you know if the N800 usb supports host mode? | 10:05 |
| c0ffee | no idea | 10:08 |
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| roope | I think it doesn't. | 10:26 |
| inz | IIRC on the dev mailing list there was a post saying that there is no hw support | 10:26 |
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| imawinar | i heard someone got host mode going on the 770 | 10:32 |
| imawinar | im psyched. gonna have freebsd on livecd for binary security, then addon programs on usbstick, then vmware images for internet browsing on hdd | 10:34 |
| imawinar | oops wrong channel | 10:34 |
| mru | that seems a little careless for someone so paranoid ;-) | 10:35 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:37 |
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| |tbb| | morning | 10:38 |
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| tigert | morn | 10:43 |
| tigert | inz, what is new in the new xterm package? | 10:43 |
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| jcml_ | tigert: you mean the 0.13.mh19bora1 version for stock N800? | 10:51 |
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| jcml_ | If so, it seems to add PageUp/Down (and other common control keys) buttons to the UI. NB This was the change I noticed when I upgraded - I /may/ have picked up a new version from a differnt repo, and this feature may have been present before in the new repo's package ... :) | 10:55 |
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| makuchaku | Hi, anyone here ordering an N800 from the APAC countries? | 11:23 |
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| c0ffee | what is apac? | 11:24 |
| makuchaku | c0ffee: asia pacific :) | 11:24 |
| c0ffee | ah | 11:24 |
| c0ffee | i only knew asp | 11:24 |
| c0ffee | asia south-pacific | 11:24 |
| makuchaku | c0ffee: oh, never mind :) | 11:25 |
| c0ffee | anyway | 11:25 |
| c0ffee | i ordered from an EMEA country \o/ | 11:25 |
| makuchaku | c0ffee: wanted to know about apac orders because i'm from India & have orderd one through my relative in US... so was checking that if there's another way? | 11:26 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:27 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:27 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 11:28 |
| c0ffee | makuchaku, depends on what shop your code is attached to | 11:29 |
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| makuchaku | c0ffee: hmm | 11:33 |
| bedboi | makuchaku: i'm still having issues... | 11:38 |
| inz | tigert, in the very newest, changing the shortcuts run-time was fixed | 11:40 |
| inz | tigert, before that the buttons broke if you changed them, and only worked after a xterm restart | 11:41 |
| maddler | morning all... | 11:43 |
| tigert | ok | 11:45 |
| kulve | Tak: nope. The xmame in bora repository seems to be quite old.. | 11:46 |
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| makuchaku | bedboi: oh, you in italy? | 11:47 |
| maddler | makuchaku: me? maybe... ;) | 11:47 |
| bedboi | makuchaku: yep | 11:48 |
| makuchaku | bedboi: so how are you getting it? | 11:48 |
| maddler | bedboi: aue`! :D | 11:48 |
| bedboi | i'm having problems with credit card. | 11:48 |
| bedboi | maddler: hi there :) | 11:48 |
| maddler | hmmm... has anyone succeded using dummy connections on N800? | 11:49 |
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| bedboi | makuchaku: i phoned my bank and they told me that the web shop was trying to charge 339 eur instead of 99 | 11:49 |
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| shackan | bedboi, so you got a code? cool | 12:00 |
| bedboi | shackan: yep | 12:01 |
| dwd | Morning all. (My code still not accepted at the UK store, which is apparently a UK store problem) | 12:01 |
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| maddler | dwd: try calling them... | 12:13 |
| dwd | maddler: I would, but the "contact us" link doesn't give a phone number. | 12:14 |
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| maddler | wait... | 12:15 |
| lardman | morning | 12:16 |
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| maddler | dwd: 808 234 7149 | 12:18 |
| lardman | I'm coming round to the auto connect thing, but is there a way of only allowing certain programs to start an auto-connect? | 12:18 |
| maddler | lardman: no... | 12:19 |
| lardman | maddler: other than not running that progrm I suppose | 12:19 |
| lardman | What is the app which always connects? the rss reader? | 12:19 |
| maddler | and another odd thing is that even manually disconnecting the aut-connectio will happen after N minutes (according to what you have configure in network settings) | 12:20 |
| maddler | auto-connect | 12:20 |
| lardman | Ah yes, it will keep connecting, confused me for a while why it was connected when I unlocked keypad/screen | 12:20 |
| dwd | maddler: Ah, thanks. | 12:21 |
| lardman | The next question is how long does it stay connected once it's auto-connected? | 12:21 |
| lardman | I've a funny feeling it's until the usual wlan timeout, which in my case is never | 12:21 |
| lardman | Needs to allow it to connect briefly, then disconnect no matter what after a preset time (or after being idle for x seconds), plus only allow certain apps to perform the auto-connect | 12:22 |
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| maddler | lardman: right... once connected it'll wait for $timeout to expire | 12:24 |
| maddler | lardman: yes... e.g.: update RSS and then disconnect... | 12:24 |
| lardman | maddler: By default the wlan connection timeout is off (infinite) | 12:25 |
| maddler | lardman: exactly... that's the poing... :) | 12:26 |
| lardman | I wonder if people would be more impressed (as I assume it must have an effect) with battery life if this weren't the default | 12:27 |
| maddler | and I wonder if there is a way to make RSS connect-update-disconnect | 12:28 |
| lardman | That would be better handled in the auto-connect infrastructure imo | 12:28 |
| lardman | so have a different timeout/idle timeout for auto-connections | 12:29 |
| lardman | to that used for user-initiated connections | 12:29 |
| suihkulokki | you'll probably want to rise this autoconnect discussions at the mailing lists | 12:29 |
| lardman | yes, good idea, I was just getting ideas straight (and checking I'd not missed something!) | 12:30 |
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| bedboi | is the source of the maemo alarm clock available? | 12:36 |
| keesj | no | 12:36 |
| bedboi | i would like to know how they schedule the alarm | 12:37 |
| bedboi | in order to write an alarm scheduler | 12:37 |
| keesj | there is a howto for that | 12:37 |
| bedboi | it is a pity that gpe-calendar still misses this feature | 12:37 |
| bedboi | on the wiki? | 12:38 |
| jpetersen | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_alarm_interface_bora.html | 12:39 |
| keesj | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_alarm_interface_bora.html | 12:39 |
| keesj | dam ! | 12:39 |
| bedboi | ah, cool | 12:39 |
| inz | do note, that it's only for N800/bora | 12:40 |
| bedboi | yep | 12:40 |
| bedboi | so it will be simple to use that in gpe-calendar | 12:40 |
| inz | Meh, the source for alarmd 0.4.2 is still not available | 12:40 |
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| bedboi | that's very cool, i was thinking about starting a similar project with dbus | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | Anyone working on making the GPE Calendar home applet resizable? | 12:42 |
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| sbaturzio | bedboi: have you tried to look here? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.0/free/source/ | 12:43 |
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| tigert | duh | 12:45 |
| tigert | b0rkage | 12:45 |
| bedboi | sbaturzio: thanks :) | 12:46 |
| sbaturzio | bedboi: np | 12:46 |
| |tbb|_ | Jaffa that would be fine | 12:48 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: heya man! :D | 13:11 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|_: oh, and it was easy too: edit share/applications/hildon-home/gpe....desktop and copy the last three lines from homeossorss....desktop in the same folder. Restart and bang - it's resizable :) | 13:11 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|_: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/01/29/resizing_gpe_calendar_on_os_2007 | 13:17 |
| |tbb|_ | to bad it just wont work for the internetradio applet ;/ | 13:18 |
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| |tbb|_ | oh damn it works also, forgot the reboot | 13:20 |
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| |tbb|_ | but it sucks, cause the applets items wont fit after resize | 13:22 |
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| hap | has anyone tried to install alarmd within the scratchbox ? | 13:27 |
| hap | it fails for me | 13:27 |
| keesj | maemopeople ? | 13:29 |
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| |tbb|_ | question: will the more battery power consumed the more applets i have visible running? | 13:30 |
| keesj | Jaffa, the size thing is supposed to work on it2006. cosy bookmarks even defines it's own size withing the code | 13:30 |
| bedboi | don't think it is strictly true | 13:30 |
| keesj | The question is that do you call dynamic ? do you mean it does not require a restart? | 13:31 |
| lardman | |tbb|_: Shouldn't really, unless they initiate auto-connect, or do polling/timers, etc. | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | keesj: when you go to "Edit layout", resizable applets have a draggable corner at the bottom right. On OS 2006, applets which allowed resizing in their config file did it themselves, and it wasn't dynamic (i.e. at runtime) | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|_: what lardman wrote, although if they're badly behaved and don't follow the "you're not in the foreground, don't update" messages there'll be an increased load. | 13:32 |
| keesj | nice idea that maemo people | 13:36 |
| tigert | maemo people? | 13:37 |
| |tbb|_ | have i understand it right, the resize supposed to work on os2k6? | 13:37 |
| keesj | Created On:27-Jan-2007 15:33:56 UTC | 13:37 |
| jcml_ | tigert: http://www.maemopeople.org | 13:37 |
| tigert | oh | 13:37 |
| tigert | oh, user planet? | 13:37 |
| keesj | Registrant Organization:komputika s.a.s | 13:37 |
| tigert | ah ok, blog hosting for maemo matters | 13:38 |
| jcml_ | Looks like it. I was just about ask maddler to set me up a blog ... :-) | 13:38 |
| |tbb|_ | the resize thing was a first wish from me if i owned my n770 | 13:39 |
| keesj | I like the name and the community feeling it gives | 13:39 |
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| maddler | so... register and ask :) | 13:41 |
| keesj | but I have never blogged | 13:41 |
| maddler | keesj: not a good reason to not start! :D | 13:41 |
| maddler | in the meantime... | 13:41 |
| maddler | http://tinyurl.com/2hse3g | 13:42 |
| maddler | feedback apreciated | 13:42 |
| c0ffee | Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to. | 13:42 |
| c0ffee | nice error message, maddler | 13:42 |
| c0ffee | such big letters... easy to read | 13:42 |
| jcml_ | :) | 13:43 |
| maddler | mumble... | 13:44 |
| maddler | c0ffee: works? | 13:46 |
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| |tbb|_ | could any1 confirm that the resize thing work on OS2006 | 13:47 |
| jcml_ | maddler: no - it stays at tinyurl | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|_: OS 2006 does not support runtime resizable applets. | 13:47 |
| Eloi | maddler: works, and it's nice ;) But you will have some error in your template markup, because some things show displaced in konqueror. | 13:47 |
| |tbb|_ | k :/ | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|_: Applets on OS 2006 can, at startup, read the size they should be from a configuration file and configure themselves appropriately; but not all applets do (GPE Calendar has hardcoded width & height) | 13:47 |
| |tbb|_ | so how can i set the size? | 13:48 |
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| maddler | Eloi: damn... let me check... | 13:48 |
| maddler | jcml_: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves/2007/01/29/iputils_packages_ready_for_testing | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|_: of what? | 13:49 |
| maddler | try this... | 13:49 |
| maddler | jcml_: can you resolve www.maemopeople.org? | 13:49 |
| jcml_ | It works - what am I checking? The packages? | 13:49 |
| jcml_ | yeah - I just registered ... | 13:49 |
| |tbb|_ | to set the size for the applets on 770 | 13:50 |
| maddler | jcml_: so maybe something wrong with tinyurl... | 13:50 |
| maddler | Eloi: could you send me a screenshot to maddler@maemopeople.org | 13:51 |
| Eloi | maddler: ok | 13:51 |
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| jcml_ | |tbb|_: oh, blast. My 770's at home today. It's my first day out with N800, and I didn't want to make the 770 jealous ... | 13:51 |
| maddler | jcml_: drop me a mail with blogname... | 13:51 |
| jcml_ | maddler: just doing that ... | 13:51 |
| maddler | time to go buy something to eat... | 13:51 |
| maddler | jcml_: good... | 13:51 |
| maddler | it'll be ready ASAP :) | 13:51 |
| maddler | brb | 13:51 |
| jcml_ | maddler: Email sent. TIA | 13:52 |
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| ab | what's up with download.kernelconcepts.de? | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: it depends which applet you want to resize - very few support it on OS 2006 | 13:58 |
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| Eloi | maddler: screenshot sent. | 14:00 |
| |tbb| | for example the iradio | 14:01 |
| |tbb| | also very important the rssreader | 14:02 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: Neither of those are resizable on OS 2006, AFAIK | 14:04 |
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| maddler | Eloi: thx | 14:13 |
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| Eloi | maddler: welcome :) | 14:22 |
| bedboi | finally i have filed the n800 order | 14:25 |
| bedboi | i remember that there was some way to track the order | 14:26 |
| jcml_ | bedboi: Works in the UK: http://direct.nokia.com/orderTracking.aspx | 14:27 |
| maddler | jcml_: blog name? :) | 14:27 |
| bedboi | jcml_: thanks a lot | 14:27 |
| jcml_ | "jcml" please | 14:27 |
| jcml_ | ^maddler | 14:27 |
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| maddler | jcml_: ok | 14:31 |
| maddler | jcml_: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jcml | 14:35 |
| maddler | there you go! :D | 14:35 |
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| * Eloi se va a comer | 14:36 | |
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| zbenjamin | when i try to build the rootfs i get the erroe | 14:47 |
| zbenjamin | r: E: Couldn't find package codelockui-l10n-3.0-engb | 14:47 |
| zbenjamin | any ideas? | 14:47 |
| jcml_ | maddler: thx! | 14:47 |
| zbenjamin | anyone can help me with this error when building the rootfs : E: Couldn't find package codelockui-l10n-3.0-engb . The tutorial i used:http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_use_flasher_rootfs.html | 14:50 |
| zbenjamin | google helped not | 14:50 |
| Jaffa | maddler: now that maemopeople is syndicated on planet, is it possible to hack b2evo to include the blog name of the overall Atom feed? | 14:51 |
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| maddler | hmmm... | 14:54 |
| maddler | you mean close to the post title? | 14:55 |
| maddler | maybe blogger name could be better... or maybe short blog name... | 14:55 |
| maddler | complete blog name could be too long... | 14:56 |
| zbenjamin | inz, are you here? | 14:56 |
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| here | no... here is me! | 14:56 |
| here | :DDDDD | 14:56 |
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| zbenjamin | maddler, *lol* | 14:56 |
| maddler | :D | 14:57 |
| zbenjamin | maddler, can you help me with my build rootfs problem? | 14:58 |
| maddler | zbenjamin: I don't think so... | 14:58 |
| maddler | sorry... | 14:58 |
| zbenjamin | no problem. It's strange but i followed the tutorial and it does not work .... | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | maddler: I meant in the feed title, e.g. "madraves - Iputils packages ready for testing" | 15:01 |
| maddler | Jaffa: yes... I was saying the same... | 15:03 |
| maddler | gotta give a look @ atom generator src | 15:03 |
| maddler | but I'd say yes... | 15:03 |
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| Jaffa | maddler: excellent | 15:07 |
| inz | zben, yup | 15:08 |
| inz | hap, how does alarmd install fail for you on scratchbox? | 15:09 |
| hap | hmm, let me start that vmware again | 15:10 |
| zbenjamin | inz, ever tried to create a custom rootfs for IT2006? | 15:12 |
| inz | zben, err, at least in a looooong while | 15:12 |
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| inz | zben, +not that is | 15:13 |
| zbenjamin | i get this error: E: Couldn't find package codelockui-l10n-3.0-engb | 15:14 |
| zbenjamin | do i have to use maemo2.0rcsomething or maemo2.1 to build the rootfs | 15:14 |
| inz | either should do | 15:15 |
| zbenjamin | inz, but what about the missing package? | 15:16 |
| inz | no idea | 15:16 |
| hap | inz: | 15:16 |
| hap | Setting up alarmd (0.4.2) ... | 15:16 |
| hap | /etc/init.d/alarmd: line 1: whoami: command not found | 15:16 |
| inz | interesting | 15:16 |
| hap | many errors like that, cp command not found, grep command not found, etc | 15:16 |
| hap | Starting OSSO Alarm Daemon: alarmd/etc/init.d/alarmd: line 42: dsmetool: command not found | 15:17 |
| hap | no alarmd=>no osso-clock-ui | 15:17 |
| zbenjamin | inz, normally i would try to customize the rootfs from the fiasco image but this doesn't work. I get errors when using tar to copy the files from the jffs2 image to my harddisk (some hardlinks are not copied) and after creating a new jffs2 image its only half in size as the original image | 15:18 |
| inz | hap, okie, seems like it doesn't install too cleanly on scratchbox... | 15:19 |
| hap | inz: i was trying to install packages so i'd have the same setup than my N800 | 15:20 |
| inz | hap, you can get it installed by altering the postinst script for example | 15:22 |
| hap | hmm yeah i could | 15:23 |
| hap | has anyone actualy tried to get the list of packages from his N800 and apt-get install within the scratchbox? | 15:24 |
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| inz | hap, there's quite a bit of packages not available | 15:26 |
| hap | ah | 15:27 |
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| hap | so the scratchbox is just to compile and test your software, you can't have the same env ? | 15:28 |
| henryykt | hi there, how are you all? i've just received a new N800 and encountered the following problem: application manager cannot refresh application list. the log indicates that gzip segfaults. Is this a know problem? | 15:29 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: what repositories have you added? | 15:30 |
| henryykt | jcml_: none yet. only the default | 15:30 |
| inz | hap, not perfectly same, no | 15:30 |
| inz | hap, and qemu isn't quite perfect | 15:31 |
| inz | hap, +emulating wlan, bt, dsp and so on wouldn't be trivial | 15:31 |
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| hap | hmm yeah you're right. | 15:31 |
| hap | is there more documents about the scratchbox ? I have the feeling i could just keep within the SDK_ARMEL, why should I care about the X86 ? | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | hap: testing without the device or using qemu | 15:33 |
| hap | without using qemu ? | 15:33 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: are you able to use the browser to access /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 15:33 |
| hap | ah yeah right | 15:33 |
| keesj | reinstalling the bora sdk for the 10't time now. | 15:34 |
| hap | keesj: i just kept a fresh version of the ubuntu vmware image | 15:34 |
| keesj | I hope they don't pay there bandwith bill :) | 15:34 |
| hap | "in case" | 15:34 |
| henryykt | jcml_: i'll try | 15:35 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: Great. I suggest you post it here. I've just done a refresh (with default repos+some extra ones) and it's fine ... | 15:36 |
| henryykt | jcml_: nothing strange there.. just deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ bora user | 15:37 |
| henryykt | jcml_: and the non-certified one | 15:37 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: do you have the ability to get dmesg output? | 15:38 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: perhaps by giving the application manager the xterm .deb directly ...? | 15:39 |
| henryykt | jcml_: good suggestion, i'll try that before reflashing | 15:40 |
| hap | http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html#screenshots nice UI | 15:43 |
| keesj | any idea what it message means? if test -e package.lst; then ../src/xmoto -pack; fi | 15:44 |
| keesj | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 288: _dl_start_final: Assertion `info->l.l_tls_modid == 0' failed! | 15:44 |
| inz | glibc or qemu (or both) bug | 15:45 |
| luogni | keesj, http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-September/005675.html | 15:45 |
| keesj | bugger! so I can not do much about it | 15:47 |
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| kulve | keesj: I had that problem when starting scratchbox | 15:48 |
| kulve | fixed by setting a kernel option | 15:48 |
| keesj | any option ? | 15:48 |
| |tbb| | hey kulve | 15:48 |
| kulve | keesj: CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y | 15:48 |
| kulve | |tbb|: nope, haven't checked it.. | 15:49 |
| henryykt | jcml_: xterm needs libncurses as dependancy and the installer says incompatible package.... think i needs red pill mode?? | 15:49 |
| |tbb| | ah k, | 15:49 |
| kulve | henryykt: dependencies don't need to be in user -section, they should be installed automatically when you install the one depending on ti | 15:49 |
| kulve | it | 15:49 |
| henryykt | kulve: the problem is that i cannot install anything from a repository. i need to install from .deb. dependencies don't seems to come automatically | 15:53 |
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| keesj | henryykt, yes, with dkpg -i .deb , no deps are installed copied(I think you can force it and after that fixit) | 15:55 |
| keesj | Why did it take 30+ years before I discovered screen :( | 15:57 |
| henryykt | i'm going to refresh the device... there's no way i can install xterm :( | 15:57 |
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| jcml_ | henryykt: yes, you need red pill mode. I forgot that ... | 16:00 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: can you not install libncurses manually and then ssh? | 16:00 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: s/ssh/xterm/ | 16:00 |
| henryykt | jcml_: i cannot find the red pill mode on n800 | 16:01 |
| henryykt | jcml_: entering matrix als url and cancel doesn't seem to trigger the hidden feature | 16:01 |
| kulve | henryykt: it works as in 770 | 16:01 |
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| kulve | henryykt: at least it did on my 51-6 sw version | 16:02 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: I found that getting it even /slightly/ wrong (and then backspacing) made it not work. | 16:02 |
| zbenjamin | hi kulve | 16:02 |
| henryykt | heheh... my fault. got wrong field... i can enable it now | 16:02 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: you put in in "Name", didn't you ... | 16:03 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, do you know about building a rootfs image for IT2006 on Nokia770? | 16:03 |
| henryykt | jcml_: yes :( | 16:03 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: nope | 16:04 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: interesting topic, but I haven't yet got to it with my n800.. | 16:04 |
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| zbenjamin | damn | 16:05 |
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| |tbb| | everytime Disconnect joins the channel im getting fear ;) | 16:06 |
| henryykt | yes, xterm installed :) | 16:06 |
| jcml_ | :) | 16:07 |
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| henryykt | jcml_: i don't see anything strange with dmesg. anything else i can look into? | 16:08 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: check df | 16:09 |
| zbenjamin | anyone here who knows about building a rootfs? | 16:09 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: I know something about the topic, but nothing maemo-specific | 16:10 |
| zbenjamin | <sigh> | 16:10 |
| zbenjamin | oh | 16:10 |
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| zbenjamin | kulve, one moment | 16:11 |
| kulve | I know, that you can take you scratchbox target, add some device nodes, fix sshd directory access rights and it should boot up. Assuming you have all neccessary apps like init there.. | 16:12 |
| henryykt | jcml_: not much there.. i'll try enabling r&d mode and do a apt-get update | 16:12 |
| suihkulokki | zbenjamin: if there is any errors when using make_rootimage.sh about "can't find package", and you can't find the packages from anywhere, please file bugs to bugzilla | 16:13 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: I wouldn't worry about r&d yet - just reflash and check it works as expected first ... | 16:15 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, okay there are two possible ways i can go : 1. use the image file from Fiasco image. Unpack it mount the jffs2 image tar the rootfs copy it to my harddisk make changes and go the way back . But i get errors when i tar the roofs (can not stat some files) and after creating a new jffs2 image the new on e is only half in size as the old one .... | 16:15 |
| kulve | suihkulokki: so, there's a script for the rootfs? | 16:15 |
| suihkulokki | kulve: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/integration/trunk/rootimagescripts/ | 16:16 |
| suihkulokki | ofcourse, it's two years out of date :) | 16:16 |
| zbenjamin | suihkulokki, the sources.list points to maemo1.1 repository | 16:16 |
| kulve | suihkulokki: nice, and "nice" .. | 16:16 |
| zbenjamin | suihkulokki,is there a new script for IT2006? | 16:17 |
| suihkulokki | zbenjamin: you can edit the file... | 16:17 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: are you tarring it as root? | 16:17 |
| zbenjamin | yes | 16:17 |
| zbenjamin | but i can try it again just one moment | 16:18 |
| henryykt | jcml: running apt-get update causes the same error message as in application catalog: Sub-process gzip recived a segmentation fault | 16:18 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: and have you copied the stuff with -R? I.e. copied e.g. device nodes as device nodes.. | 16:18 |
| kulve | or with -a | 16:18 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: and there's /nothing/ in dmesg? | 16:19 |
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| jcml_ | henryykt: sounds like bad flash to me :( I wonder if the flasher has any badblocks functionality in it? | 16:20 |
| kulve | syslog is one place for debug output. It might tell something (even though I don't know what you are discussing about..) | 16:20 |
| maddler | jcml_: welcome home! :D | 16:20 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, are the -R and -a arguments for tar? | 16:21 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: cp | 16:21 |
| jcml_ | maddler: thx for the space :) | 16:21 |
| henryykt | jcml_: there's now a JFFS2 warning: jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary | 16:21 |
| henryykt | jcml_: i tried gzip on a file and used ctrl-c to abort | 16:21 |
| henryykt | jcml_: even gzip on a small file won't return | 16:22 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: Woah</neo>. Was that while trying to gzip /any/ file? | 16:22 |
| zbenjamin | kulve this is the way: 1. mount the jffs2 image to /mnt -> cd /mnt -> tar czvf ~/rootfs.tar.gz . -> cd ~ -> tar czvf rootfs.tar.gz -> modify the stuff -> create tar image -> use script to create a jffs2 image | 16:22 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: what does "df" give you? | 16:23 |
| henryykt | jcml_: 99% on /mnt/initfs | 16:23 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: same here | 16:23 |
| henryykt | jcml_: other ones almost empty | 16:24 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: can you echo "wibble" > /home/user/aFile ? | 16:24 |
| bergie | inz: ping | 16:24 |
| henryykt | jcml_: yes, just tried that | 16:24 |
| henryykt | jcml_: gzip will hang | 16:25 |
| henryykt | jcml_: and segfault when i use ctrl-c | 16:25 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/integration/trunk/rootimagescripts/tar2jffs2.sh | 16:26 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: you can try those commands to make the jff2 image.. | 16:26 |
| jcml_ | henryykt: I wonder if either the source image or badblocks on your device have screwed up the gzip portion of your busybox binary :| | 16:27 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: but you shouldn't get any errors with tar I think.. | 16:27 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, thats the script i'm using | 16:27 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: ok | 16:27 |
| zbenjamin | tar is running i will paste the result | 16:29 |
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| zbenjamin | the stderr result | 16:30 |
| henryykt | jcml_: i'll try reflash. hope that helps. someone on the users list seems to have the same problem | 16:30 |
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| zbenjamin | i get for : tar, sync, retu, tahvo the error: ./bin/<binaryname> cannot stat. : input/output error | 16:32 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, any ideas about that? | 16:33 |
| zbenjamin | i'm running tar as root | 16:33 |
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| covux | hi. is there a new version of mmc-unison or extrootfs for latest os2006 release? | 16:35 |
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| kulve | zbenjamin: not really. Doesn't sound good | 16:45 |
| henryykt | jcml_: well, reflashing did the trick. everything is ok now. nokia should do more about QA though. | 16:45 |
| zbenjamin | damn it must be possible to create my own image | 16:46 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: it sure is | 16:46 |
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| henryykt | jcml_: anyway, thanx for your help | 16:47 |
| zbenjamin | the problem is i have to flash ca 80 devices with my modifications to maemo-af-desktop i made last week. but without a image.......... | 16:47 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: either they have done something weird with the jffs image or there's some other problem.. | 16:47 |
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| zbenjamin | kulve, the only difference is the kernel module i use for mounting the jffs2 image. I use block2mtd module because the blkmtd module is not available on my kernel it is deprecated | 16:49 |
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| zbenjamin | kulve, do you have the block2mtd module on you system? | 16:49 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: can you try that on some other computer? | 16:49 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: nope | 16:49 |
| zbenjamin | hm i can try to use our server... just one momen | 16:50 |
| zbenjamin | t | 16:50 |
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| nomis | Hmm. I am trying to install the maemo-bora devel-environment. | 16:56 |
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| nomis | I mistyped the "I accept" for the proprietary stuff and now "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit" fails with "E: Couldn't find package maemo-explicit" | 16:56 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, same error on a other computer with the blkmtd module | 16:57 |
| nomis | (not sure if this is related) | 16:57 |
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| nomis | can anyone help me there? | 16:57 |
| nomis | ah, seems executing the script again might help. | 16:58 |
| nomis | mpf. no. | 17:00 |
| covux | are there other ways to extend root fs except mmc-unisonfs or extrootfs? | 17:01 |
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| zbenjamin | tar kills my server....... | 17:02 |
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| jtra | lol http://www.mac-essentials.de/bilder2007/iphone-shuffle.jpg | 17:04 |
| zbenjamin | me slowly begins to hate rootfs building | 17:06 |
| * zbenjamin slowly begins to hate rootfs building | 17:06 | |
| mgedmin | jtra: is that related to this: http://doc.weblogs.com/2007/01/10#newsFromTheFuture ? | 17:07 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: can you copy the mounted rootfs image? With cp -a ? | 17:08 |
| keesj | while we are pasting http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/915.gif | 17:08 |
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| kulve | I've done it several times without problems.. | 17:08 |
| kulve | with it2006 image | 17:09 |
| jtra | mgedmin: perhaps, but not neccessarily; I found the link on reddit | 17:09 |
| kulve | even though I said that I haven't.. | 17:09 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, cp -aR * /to/some/location ? | 17:10 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, is the syntax okay? | 17:11 |
| kulve | just -a | 17:12 |
| kulve | -a, --archive | 17:12 |
| kulve | same as -dpR | 17:12 |
| kulve | I usually put -v too even though it slows things down | 17:13 |
| zbenjamin | that cannot create the /dev/* files | 17:14 |
| zbenjamin | and hardlinks are ignored... | 17:14 |
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| zbenjamin | it seems that tar is the only way to do this | 17:15 |
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| kulve | that should especially copy /dev/* properly | 17:15 |
| thomasvs | Hi. is repository.maemo.org down ? | 17:15 |
| kulve | seems to be.. | 17:16 |
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| herzi | garage.m.o as well | 17:21 |
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| nomis | ok, so it is not just me :) | 17:21 |
| Tak | kulve: did you ever resolve your xmame issues? | 17:21 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, you are right it copys the device files but it complains about hardlinks.... they must have done something with the imge | 17:22 |
| kulve | Tak: nope, but I haven't really had time to try.. | 17:23 |
| keesj | Jaffa, can you build xmoto for me? | 17:23 |
| Tak | ok | 17:23 |
| Tak | what rom(s) did you try? | 17:23 |
| kulve | e.g. bubble bobble (bublbobl.zip) | 17:23 |
| kulve | from couple of places | 17:23 |
| Tak | ok, I'll see if there's an issue | 17:24 |
| kulve | 68705.bin NOT FOUND | 17:24 |
| keesj | or anybody else who has mud installed | 17:24 |
| kulve | that + two other | 17:24 |
| Tak | do you know if the same roms run on xmame on a pc? | 17:24 |
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| kulve | no.. | 17:25 |
| Tak | ok | 17:25 |
| kulve | in fact I have had same kind of troubles before, when I was trying on linux desktop.. | 17:25 |
| keesj | with X11 threre is the xrand extension | 17:26 |
| kulve | is the problem in roms? do I have too old version of xmame? Should I have some other rom (zip) files there too.. | 17:26 |
| Tak | it's likely the roms | 17:27 |
| Tak | I've had the same issues, but they're not limited to the maemo builds of xmame | 17:27 |
| keesj | nobody??? | 17:29 |
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| inz | keesj, I can try building | 17:33 |
| keesj | that would be great! | 17:34 |
| inz | grr, repository.maemo.org giving me 503 | 17:37 |
| zbenjamin | inz, same for me | 17:37 |
| inz | Can't fetch readline to build lua... | 17:37 |
| keesj | bugger ! | 17:38 |
| zbenjamin | can i use dpkg -l output as input for my makerootimage script? | 17:38 |
| ||cw | you guys seen this yet? http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/nokia-n800-dissection-and-reassembly.html | 17:40 |
| maddler | ||cw: yep... | 17:40 |
| inz | zbenjamin, I guess it would be possible with some sed magic | 17:41 |
| zbenjamin | inz, so there should be all packages i need in this output.... | 17:43 |
| inz | zbenjamin, you could try dpkg-repack to create them, all of them aren't available normally | 17:43 |
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| keesj | I can not get the sdk setup to work , I just installed sb using the installer script and did not create a target , I expected that the maemo-sdk would create one but the script stops because it thinks I have setup target (that is my interpretation) http://paste-it.net/1096 | 17:51 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: what's the error message about the hardlinks? | 17:54 |
| herzi | zbenjamin: don't use dpkg -l, use dpkg --get-selections | 17:54 |
| pashi | inz: repository.maemo.org is back online. There was some maintenance break | 17:54 |
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| bergie | inz: can you join #geoclue ? I want to check some details about Maemo Blogger geo support | 17:59 |
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| zbenjamin | kulve, the same input output error | 17:59 |
| zbenjamin | maybe i can tar / on the device ???? | 18:00 |
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| kulve | zbenjamin: you can try.. | 18:01 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: I'm not sure how good the busybox's tar is there.. | 18:02 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: but that's not actually the same thing, since it's booted alread, etc.. | 18:02 |
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| zbenjamin | kulve, do i have to take care of some folders that should not be in rootfs? | 18:08 |
| zbenjamin | kulve, why is the root user chrooted to initfs? | 18:10 |
| kulve | I don't have much advices if you are doing it inside the device.. | 18:10 |
| nomis | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/panelclock_0.6_armel.deb <--- n800-Version | 18:10 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: sounds weird.. | 18:10 |
| kulve | zbenjamin: I think you should try to find a way to copy the hardlinks.. | 18:11 |
| kulve | but I'm off now | 18:11 |
| * nomis finally has to get his act together to put this on Garage. | 18:11 | |
| keesj | nomis, join mud! | 18:12 |
| nomis | keesj: mud? | 18:12 |
| covux | nomis: could you build new version of mmc-unionfs for n770 please? :) | 18:13 |
| keesj | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php | 18:13 |
| Veggen | keesj: When's the batch of mud-packages gonna be in extra, btw? | 18:13 |
| Veggen | <---impatient. I want new things to play with. Now ;-) | 18:14 |
| keesj | good question I don't know , I also wonder when mud is gonna be in mud | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I'm not sure it was intended for random new projects, but fair enough :-) | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | panelclock *may* well be better off as a garage project, though: managing the entire project as a single patch file could be Unfun. | 18:14 |
| nomis | keesj: hmm, since this is a nXY0-specific package it would make sense to make an official garage-project from it. Shouldn't it end up in a feed then anyway? | 18:14 |
| * Jaffa wishes ferenc would get back to him about his extras upload stuff failing so stuff could be released from mud | 18:14 | |
| zbenjamin | kulve, a other wired thing is that the other links to busybox are okay to copy but not the tar link | 18:15 |
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| * mgedmin wants a well-mainained panelclock for both n770 and n800, downloadable from the extras repository | 18:15 | |
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| nomis | mgedmin: while I cannot guarantee for the "well-maintained", I'll definitely try to put it onto a reasonable repository. | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | yay | 18:18 |
| nomis | I wonder if I should dare to remove the timezone-hacks. | 18:18 |
| nomis | and I have to think of something about the new dark theme. The black digits on black background kind of suck. | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 18:19 |
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| mgedmin | it would be best if panelclock autodetected the darkness of the background and automatically chose between black or white text | 18:20 |
| nomis | yeah. | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | or maybe extract some standard colour from the gtk theme and use it? | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | the one that the title bar uses, for example | 18:21 |
| Tak | why not use the gtk theme's fg and bg colors? | 18:21 |
| nomis | mgedmin: any idea which one? | 18:22 |
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| nomis | argh. | 18:24 |
| nomis | someone please beat up the descision makers who decided to remove the cover. | 18:24 |
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| nomis | The soft bag does not the device from waking up if anything somehow presses against the touchscreen. | 18:24 |
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| nomis | and if I enable auto-lock of touchscreen and keys the device tends to lock itself when it is left open but unattended on the side for a minute. | 18:25 |
| lardman | nomis: You need to lock the screen first | 18:25 |
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| nomis | lardman: that sucks. | 18:26 |
| nomis | I really don't get the reasoning behind this descision. | 18:26 |
| lardman | nomis: It's okay, just a quick 2-key press | 18:26 |
| nomis | lardman: compared to just sliding on the cover this is an annoyance. | 18:27 |
| lardman | you'll get used to it | 18:27 |
| nomis | and I have to unlock it again when I want to use it. It was so nice to get the 770 out of its cover and it lights up and is instantly ready to use. | 18:27 |
| nomis | feels more "always on" to me. | 18:28 |
| keesj | yes , a simple switch would be great, | 18:32 |
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| nomis | It should just notice if it is put away in its bag. | 18:34 |
| Tak | ooo, maybe you could write a webcam app | 18:35 |
| maddler | hmmm... anyone aware of a "screen always on" patch/hack? | 18:35 |
| maddler | I'd like to use my N800 as an external console... | 18:35 |
| jcml_ | maddler: Get online, start playing a BBC Real stream. Stop it, while staying online. 50% of the time, my screen doesn't then turn off until I go offline (even when locked) ... | 18:37 |
| Tak | you could use gconf to set /system/osso/dsm/display/display_blank_timeout to 0 ... | 18:38 |
| Tak | barring that, you could write a little app that calls osso_display_blanking_pause every 59s | 18:39 |
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| * keesj finally found something useful to do with the camera, use is a switch! | 18:42 | |
| keesj | like the teletubbies "and wave bye bye" | 18:42 |
| wumpus | hehe | 18:43 |
| wumpus | you mean like gesture recognition? | 18:43 |
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| Tak | if image brightness changes more than e.g. 90% in 1s, enter standby | 18:47 |
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| rofltosh | does anybody know where the N800 is available retail? | 18:50 |
| rofltosh | besides CompUSA that is | 18:50 |
| koen|gprs_ | nokia.com/n800 -> buy now | 18:50 |
| rofltosh | best buy, circuit city, etc? | 18:50 |
| maddler | jcml_: hehehe... | 18:50 |
| rofltosh | no credit card :( | 18:50 |
| bhima | I haven't heard of any other place. | 18:50 |
| bhima | prepaid credit card? Or open a bank account and get a debit card? | 18:51 |
| rofltosh | well i'm 17 | 18:51 |
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| rofltosh | 16 actually... i turn 17 tomorrow | 18:52 |
| rofltosh | i called them up and they don't accept money order, cash, whatever | 18:52 |
| Tak | wtf, compusa doesn't accept cash? | 18:52 |
| rofltosh | no, nokia | 18:52 |
| dwd | rofltosh: Use Parents(tm). That's an excellent payment method. | 18:52 |
| rofltosh | my nearest copmUSA is ~170 miles away | 18:52 |
| rofltosh | haha, | 18:52 |
| Tak | eek | 18:53 |
| rofltosh | teh parents are like "you're old enough to handle your own finances, so nope" | 18:53 |
| rofltosh | already tried that | 18:53 |
| tzz | rofltosh: where are you? | 18:53 |
| rofltosh | so wait, bhima... prepaid credit card? | 18:53 |
| Tak | you can't pay them to purchase on CC? | 18:53 |
| rofltosh | about 30 miles south of syracuse NY | 18:53 |
| rofltosh | no, tak | 18:53 |
| rofltosh | they're oblivitards | 18:53 |
| bhima | rofltosh: Point out to them that the law doesn't permit you to be responsible. | 18:53 |
| rofltosh | as i did. | 18:54 |
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| rofltosh | i'm like "well seeing as i can't legally own a credit card or buy anything on credit, i can't be fully responsible" | 18:54 |
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| tzz | rofltosh: sorry I can't help you, I'm in Boston... | 18:54 |
| rofltosh | heh, no worries | 18:54 |
| rofltosh | bhima, what do you mean by prepaid credit card? | 18:55 |
| rofltosh | is that something a minor could get? | 18:55 |
| glassss | a cc that you pay before | 18:55 |
| glassss | well | 18:55 |
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| glassss | in practice you could get them easily in someone elses name etc etc... | 18:55 |
| Tak | #maemo: the channel that encourages credit card fraud :-P | 18:55 |
| rofltosh | hm... visa gift card | 18:56 |
| glassss | yeah | 18:56 |
| rofltosh | works like a debit card | 18:56 |
| rofltosh | brb, phone call to make | 18:57 |
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| tzz | rofltosh: so why don't you open a bank account? They usually come with a debit card. That was my first one many years ago... | 19:03 |
| rofltosh | tzz, i have a savings account... no debit card though | 19:03 |
| rofltosh | i would need to open a checking account, for which adulthood is a prerequisite | 19:03 |
| rofltosh | i think if i can find a local place that sells visa gift cards, that'll work out okay | 19:03 |
| Tak | actually I got my first checking acct at 14 | 19:04 |
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| Tak | although I think my parents had to sign something | 19:04 |
| Pio | yeah i think i had a checking account when i was 15 | 19:04 |
| tzz | rofltosh: really? I'm surprised (and over 30, so what do I know...) | 19:04 |
| Pio | i dont remember having to get parents signature even | 19:04 |
| Pio | just paychecks heh | 19:04 |
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| ||cw | me too, with a card | 19:04 |
| keesj | rofltosh, apt-get dist-upgrade parents. what kind of help are you after? | 19:05 |
| maddler | I'm amazed... here in .it is *so* easy to get a prepayd CC | 19:05 |
| rofltosh | hahaha | 19:05 |
| rofltosh | well i just want to somehow convert cash in my savings account into liquid currency that the nokia store will accept | 19:06 |
| rofltosh | i s'pose this isn't the best place to ask for ideas, but eh | 19:06 |
| keesj | so you want to send me money so I can buy one? | 19:07 |
| ||cw | if you've got that much in savings, a checking account really should be no probelm. | 19:07 |
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| rofltosh | well i won't have *that* much in savings after i buy said N800 | 19:07 |
| ||cw | certainly you can't get a credit card without a co-signer, but a check card is not credit | 19:07 |
| rofltosh | as far as i know, a checking account has a minimum balance of ~$500 to avoid fees | 19:08 |
| Tak | no, nearly ever bank offers a no-minimum-balance account | 19:08 |
| ||cw | o_O | 19:08 |
| ||cw | do you have a job? | 19:09 |
| Tak | (in the US) | 19:09 |
| rofltosh | yep... burger king | 19:09 |
| ||cw | do they offer direct deposite? | 19:09 |
| rofltosh | tak, maybe my parents are feeding me misinformation then | 19:09 |
| rofltosh | i don't know ||cw, i could ask | 19:09 |
| ||cw | most banks will give you free checking if you setup direct deposit | 19:09 |
| ||cw | if not outright | 19:10 |
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| rofltosh | hm, i'll look into it | 19:10 |
| rofltosh | ooh... apparently our local bank does according to google | 19:10 |
| ||cw | some even give you free checks, forever | 19:11 |
| rofltosh | well i have little use for checks at this point :] ...really i'm mostly saving for college | 19:12 |
| rofltosh | an N800 is the only really major thing i see myself needing to buy in the near future | 19:12 |
| rofltosh | i'm gonna go walk down to the bank... thanks for all the help guys :] | 19:13 |
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| rofltosh | sorry to derail whatever topic you had before i came here | 19:13 |
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| Tak | topic? we don't need no stinking topic! | 19:13 |
| c0ffee | taktaktak :) | 19:14 |
| Tak | 7 more! you can do it! | 19:15 |
| c0ffee | /alias repeat script exec Irssi::active_win()->command("say" . " $1-" x $0) | 19:16 |
| Tak | hehehe | 19:16 |
| s-ndh-c | is the re someway to more power out of the headphone jack? | 19:18 |
| s-ndh-c | its just not loud enough | 19:19 |
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| maddler | ok... TTL reached here... | 19:24 |
| maddler | see you later dudes... | 19:24 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: the text[GTK_STATE_NORMAL] style is not set to a reasonable value for the items in the status bar :-/ | 19:31 |
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| keesj | did you booth change the main volume and the media player volume.? | 19:37 |
| lardman | Cool, N800 can be seen and receive files from phones. I'll be able to share in all the rubbish my office mates bluetooth around at coffee time :) | 19:38 |
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| lardman | shame the bt icon on the status bar switches off when you turn bt off (then you have to dig back through the control panel to switch back on again) | 19:39 |
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| mitcheloc | did everyone see this? http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/nokias-n800-dissected-look-at-all-the-pretty-innards/ | 19:41 |
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| henryykt | hi, on the 770. I can create a .fonts directory and drop in new fonts. on the n800, this doesn't seem to work anymore. anyone notice this also? | 19:50 |
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| mgedmin | henryykt: the ~/.fonts/ feature is enabled in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | a line that says '<dir>~/.fonts</dir>' | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | you could check what fonts.conf says on your N800 | 19:52 |
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| zuh | or fc-list in the xterm | 19:55 |
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| tomv | hi. is here a good place to ask a scratchbox question? I'm trying to install scratchbox and the maemo SDK via the scripts. unfortunately, apt seems unable to resolve any DNS names even though resolv.conf is correctly configured. is there something smarter to do than add every hostname I need to /etc/hosts? (it seems that libnss-mdns or somesuch is missing...) | 19:56 |
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| rofltosh | woot... gonna get a checking account with debit card | 19:59 |
| kulve | tomv: nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 20:00 |
| kulve | that's what my resolv.conf says and it seems to be working ok | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | tomv: which /etc/resolv.conf? the one in the host system, or the one in the scratchbox target chroot? | 20:01 |
| henryykt | mgedmin: hmm... that line is there. i'm checking on 770 for any difference.. | 20:02 |
| inz | tomv, try sb-conf in -e | 20:02 |
| tomv | kulve,mgedmin: both inside the chroot and outside the resolv.conf is pointing to 127.0.0.1 (after giving up on using the DNS in my net). | 20:02 |
| inz | then it won't help | 20:02 |
| tomv | I've straced ssh to find that it looks for libnss-mdns but can't find it... | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | tomv: and do you have a DNS server running on your machine? | 20:03 |
| tomv | mgedmin: yup. works outside scratchbox (dig foo @localhost). | 20:03 |
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| mgedmin | hmm | 20:04 |
| tomv | and by the speed of it, it's not a DNS timeout... | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | what's /etc/nssswitch.conf look like inside scratchbox? | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | the 'hosts:' line only | 20:04 |
| kulve | tomv: does "host repository.maemo.org" work outside? | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | is interesting | 20:04 |
| tomv | mgedmin: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 | 20:05 |
| tomv | n | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | well then | 20:05 |
| tomv | that's a striking similarity with my host. | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | I wonder how it got to be that way | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | probably copied from the host system | 20:05 |
| tomv | kulve: yup. I think mgedmin is on the right track. thanks. | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | it means "if the name cannot be resolved from /etc/hosts and mdns returns "does not exist", don't even bother with DNS" | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | I htink | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | change it to the standard "host: files dns" | 20:06 |
| tomv | mgedmin: so what's a more successful line... | 20:06 |
| tomv | ah. thanks. | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | and maybe report a bug to scratchbox maintainers that having avahi/libnss-mdns/whatever installed breaks scratchbox's target configuration | 20:06 |
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| tomv | sure, that's with the bugzilla at scratchbox.org? | 20:08 |
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| * mgedmin actually has no idea | 20:10 | |
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| tomv | what's the place to report bugs with the maemo_*_install.sh btw? I think the check for VDSO support (whatever that might be) didn't work as well as it should. | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | wasn't there a contact email at the top of that script? | 20:13 |
| c0ffee | dso is dynamic shared object | 20:14 |
| kaatis | tomv, iirc maemo bugzilla has a category for installer | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | and vdso is a virtual dynamic shared object: http://www.trilithium.com/johan/2005/08/linux-gate/ | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | in short, it is a mechanism for the kernel to tell the system library how to make system calls fast | 20:17 |
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| tomv | after testing: the name service problem is solved. thanks again, I've filed a scratchbox bug at http://bugzilla.scratchbox.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=296 . | 20:30 |
| rev | woot! | 20:32 |
| * rev just ordered his N800! | 20:32 | |
| * ||cw isn't ordering one onless someone gives him a lot for his 770 | 20:34 | |
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| MDK | xan: ping | 20:42 |
| keesj | inz did you find readline? | 20:42 |
| xan | MDK, pong | 20:42 |
| MDK | xan: where is the review you mentioned during our toilet chit-chat? | 20:43 |
| MDK | ups. That sounded bad. | 20:43 |
| zuh | ... | 20:43 |
| xan | MDK, heh.... yeah | 20:44 |
| xan | MDK, don't remember, let me check | 20:44 |
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| xan | MDK, http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/26/review_nokia_n800/page3.html | 20:45 |
| xan | MDK, that's where he talks about reliability | 20:46 |
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| tko | MDK, too much information | 20:56 |
| c0ffee | :) | 20:57 |
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| daveaitel | does anyone here work at Nokia by any chance? | 21:03 |
| daveaitel | I need to talk to someone regarding resellers and whatnot | 21:03 |
| MDK | daveaitel: yes, people here work at nokia. But definitelly not marketing/sales people. | 21:05 |
| kulve | I'm pretty sure the developers .. yes .. | 21:05 |
| daveaitel | yeah, but it's likely they could put me in touch with like an "enterprise sales" | 21:06 |
| daveaitel | rather than, say, the guy you talk to when you want just one | 21:06 |
| ferulo | xan: dude, I found in verokokauppa an old friend of mine from Spain, 6 years without seeing him! | 21:07 |
| tko | daveaitel, nokia people here (except for carlos) are ones committing stuff to svn.. do you think those will know about resellers? :) | 21:07 |
| daveaitel | Possibly. :> | 21:07 |
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| ferulo | he has been living in finland for 2 years | 21:07 |
| daveaitel | Was worth a shot before trying the Nokia phone bank | 21:07 |
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| tko | daveaitel, IIRC the point of contact for enterprise sales or whatnot is mentioned in nokia.com somewhere | 21:07 |
| daveaitel | we're planning on ordering quite a few :> | 21:07 |
| daveaitel | I'll go call them then :> | 21:07 |
| Tak | so the best compile options for n800 are -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s ? | 21:09 |
| tko | Tak, depends | 21:10 |
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| MDK | softfp? | 21:10 |
| tko | Tak, apparently if you end up having codepaths that jump between thumb and vfp code a lot, the end result is significantly slower | 21:11 |
| Tak | hm | 21:11 |
| Tak | so trial and error is the best bet | 21:12 |
| tko | we switched gtk and pango to use vfp which increased boot time and memory consumption about 5s and 5Mb .. reverted it | 21:12 |
| Tak | heh, eek | 21:12 |
| MDK | tko: seriously? | 21:13 |
| MDK | tko: are you sure we didn't do something else in the mean time? | 21:13 |
| tko | MDK, NB#50847 | 21:13 |
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| shapr | ||cw: Hey, you asked for an action shot... http://picasaweb.google.com/shae.erisson/OakMountain20070127/photo#5025111427466324306 | 21:16 |
| nelson | rofltosh: there's a CompUSA in the Carousel Mall. | 21:16 |
| nelson | Has anybody else with US discount code received their order? My order seems to have gone through, but the "Order Status" field on the tracking page is empty. | 21:18 |
| nelson | That's not a good sign. | 21:18 |
| konfoo | nelson same here | 21:18 |
| konfoo | i got charged the $125.. but there is no order tracking | 21:18 |
| thomasvs | I am trying to find info on the maemo.org site on how I can enable more repositories for my new n800, but I am not finding that info | 21:20 |
| thomasvs | it's also not in the manual, it just has a very short section on the application manager | 21:20 |
| thomasvs | what am I missing ? | 21:20 |
| nelson | thomasvs: Open the Application Mangler | 21:20 |
| thomasvs | nelson: right, there I can add repo's, but how do I know what repo's to add ? | 21:21 |
| nelson | Ahhhh, I see. I've been adding the repo's for the applications I need. | 21:21 |
| nelson | But I agree with you that Nokia should have just one feed. | 21:21 |
| nelson | (not that you were saying that) | 21:22 |
| thomasvs | nelson: ok, so you go look for an application you want and then figure out hwat repo it is in and then add it ? | 21:22 |
| thomasvs | nelson: heh, well, still just figuring out how to get started | 21:22 |
| nelson | Yep, e.g. maemo-mapper needs two repos. | 21:22 |
| thomasvs | for example, how to install ssh on it | 21:22 |
| myren_ | i cant fathom why vfp would hurt boot time.... | 21:22 |
| myren_ | gtk boot doesnt strike me as very floating point intensive | 21:22 |
| thomasvs | and I guess I expected some document on the maemo site that would tell me, maybe I am looking in the wrong place | 21:22 |
| myren_ | i'd think it'd be basically inconsequential | 21:23 |
| nelson | konfoo: Yep, I got charged the $125 also. | 21:23 |
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| nelson | koen|edge_: so, y'know what I'd like to see? The OpenMoko paired with the Nokia 770. Happy Linux Goodness all around!! | 21:25 |
| * Tak mumbles about not having a gsm provider | 21:27 | |
| tko | myren_, it's not. but switching between thumb and vfp was effective trashing instruction cache (?, i-cache) | 21:27 |
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| myren_ | tko: so the vfp can only be accessed through the native arm instruction set? | 21:29 |
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| ssvb | tko: is gtk stuff built using thumb now? | 21:30 |
| tko | myren_, how else? | 21:31 |
| thomasvs | nelson: so I see an application list at http://guerby.org/ftp/dpkg-n800.txt but it does not mention repositories at all | 21:31 |
| kulve | thomasvs: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories | 21:31 |
| tko | ssvb, yes, it's been using thumb for a long time .. there was only one gtk version which ever had vfp enabled | 21:32 |
| myren_ | tko, native instruction set as compared to thumb. i dont really know thumb, nor why thumb wouldnt be extensible to permit vfp usage | 21:32 |
| myren_ | what about compiling the entire OS in arm instead of thumb? has anyone tried it? | 21:33 |
| myren_ | kinda retarded that that would be required to make use of the vfp | 21:34 |
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| tko | myren_, afaik thumb is just a different instruction set. enabling vfp uses still the same instructions, but the size of an instruction is larger. and using two instruction sets is trashing the cache | 21:34 |
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| tko | I'm sure there's a page somewhere (wikipedia) which can explain it much more clearly | 21:35 |
| ssvb | myren_: thumb is a limited subset of instructions which are encoded in 16-bits each instead 32-bits for normal arm, it helps to reduce code size, but it also reduces performance somewhat as you generally need more instructions to do the same job | 21:35 |
| inz | keesj, now I did | 21:35 |
| myren_ | ok, i was thinking thumb was an alternate instruction set. | 21:35 |
| myren_ | as in, totally different | 21:36 |
| lle2 | tko: there are limitations to from which mode certain instructions are available | 21:36 |
| myren_ | its unfortuante the i-cache doesnt just pad the 16bit instruction words to 32bit. certainly instruction cache bandwidth isnt a problem | 21:37 |
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| myren_ | so as to permit not-god-awful context changes into and out of thumb | 21:37 |
| * myren_ is dont talking out of his ass | 21:38 | |
| myren_ | *done | 21:38 |
| ssvb | myren_: you can read ARM architecture reference manual for more details, need a link? | 21:38 |
| myren_ | ssvb: i have it somewhere on this laptop. :) just under-utilized. | 21:38 |
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| ssvb | tko: did you try buiding gtk without thumb? what is the difference in code size and performance? | 21:39 |
| ssvb | tko: at least for n800 ram size should not be such a big issue as for 770 | 21:40 |
| lle2 | tko: so depending what you're doing, you may end up having to switch out of thumb and certainly it will have an influence on performance, I wouldn't think that mixing 16 & 32 bit instructions would force a flush on the cache? | 21:41 |
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| tko | ssvb, can't recall. the size difference was noticeable, performance impact negligible | 21:42 |
| lle2 | that would be sad even for arm standards | 21:42 |
| tko | lle2, that would be sad indeed.. so it must be true :-P | 21:42 |
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| tko | lle2, naw, I got the impression using two different instructions sets just wastes the icache | 21:42 |
| Tak | meh, I hope the toolchain in the newer scratchbox is less fragile | 21:42 |
| tko | lle2, gtk+pango being vfp and jumping in and out of glib which is thumb.. see NB#50847 | 21:43 |
| lle2 | tko: ok, yeah, thumb and vfp might not be brilliant. why is it thumb anyway? | 21:44 |
| tko | lle2, footprint reduction | 21:44 |
| lle2 | tko: oh great... | 21:44 |
| tko | NB#26453 | 21:44 |
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| lle2 | tko: how much was a "noticeable footprint reduction"? | 21:45 |
| myren_ | somewhere between 50% and 0% improvement. =] | 21:46 |
| tko | hmm, there were measurements somewhere which included performance as well | 21:46 |
| lle2 | myren_: it could be negative as well ;) | 21:46 |
| tko | "size of libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.600.10 decreased from 2.9M to 2.3M" | 21:47 |
| * rofltosh has a checking account with debit card now... thanks everyone :] | 21:47 | |
| rofltosh | N800 shall be purchased within a week | 21:47 |
| myren_ | that must've been some pretty complex code. | 21:47 |
| tko | gtk complex? never :-P | 21:48 |
| lle2 | tko: ok, not bad. I just wonder if it really was necessary. | 21:48 |
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| myren_ | compiling without thumb, how hard would that be? | 21:48 |
| lle2 | depends how screwed up the debian packaging is | 21:49 |
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| tko | myren_, get the source package and make sure DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS environment variable does *not* include 'thumb' | 21:49 |
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| myren_ | the source tree is retrieved through debian source packages? really? thats an interesting distribution choice. | 21:50 |
| tko | all thumb enabled packages use the ifeq findstring DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, thumb thingie | 21:51 |
| tko | you can do a checkout if you like | 21:51 |
| myren_ | pardon my newbishness. i still havent placed my order, but i really have no excuse for not downloading and playing around with scratchbox yet. | 21:51 |
| tko | apt-get source is usually just more stable choice, and you're very likely to get the same version you're currently running effortlessly | 21:52 |
| Andy80 | one quick question... is it possible to connect to WPA protected access point with Nokia 770 ? | 21:54 |
| kulve | should be | 21:55 |
| glassss | yes | 21:55 |
| myren_ | i'm trying to think of another commercial project in existance that uses dpkg. | 21:55 |
| myren_ | way to go nokia. | 21:55 |
| glassss | wpa-psk works like a charm anyhow | 21:55 |
| Andy80 | because, I've just ordered a Fonera | 21:55 |
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| Andy80 | and it only works with WPA | 21:55 |
| Andy80 | no wep at all :( | 21:55 |
| kulve | wep shouldn't be used anyway.. | 21:55 |
| glassss | yeah | 21:55 |
| Andy80 | thanks :) | 21:56 |
| rofltosh | wait, does the N800 support WEP | 22:00 |
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| rofltosh | not that i use it for my own network, but like at friends' houses | 22:00 |
| kulve | rofltosh: uep | 22:01 |
| kulve | yep | 22:01 |
| rofltosh | pretty neat | 22:01 |
| thomasvs | hm, is there a problem with the maemo repository ? | 22:01 |
| thomasvs | every download fails | 22:01 |
| kulve | hmm.. | 22:02 |
| kulve | no | 22:02 |
| kulve | I managed to download a file, but slowly | 22:02 |
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| tko | thomasvs, earlier today the whole site was timing out | 22:03 |
| bilboed | Hi all. I'm able to pair my phone with my n800, but unable to see the files on it or connect to the internet via the phone's gprs. Is there a way to debug that ? | 22:03 |
| MDK | bilboed: check your phone on http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothDUN | 22:04 |
| bilboed | MDK, it wasn't on it for the n770 | 22:05 |
| bilboed | MDK, let me check | 22:05 |
| bilboed | are there tools to debug/use the bluetooth stack ? | 22:05 |
| kulve | maybe something is printed on syslog? That's not on the device by default though.. | 22:05 |
| suihkulokki | bilboed: it's normal bluez.. | 22:06 |
| keesj | bilboed, perhaps you need to authorize the n800 on your phone | 22:07 |
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| bilboed | keesj, already done | 22:08 |
| bilboed | keesj, i entered the 4-digit pairing code, and authorized the n800 on my phone | 22:09 |
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| kender | hi | 22:26 |
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| keesj | Jaffa, I am trying to add readline as dependency in mud , do you know it this is possible? | 22:26 |
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| thomasvs | where is word completion data stored, and can I delete words from it ? | 22:30 |
| bilboed | thomasvs, lol :) | 22:30 |
| Tak | yes, my completion db is utterly filled with obscenity | 22:31 |
| thomasvs | bilboed: don't want people knowing my pwd's :) | 22:31 |
| maddler | thomasvs: sudo rm -rf / | 22:31 |
| maddler | :DDDDDDDDD | 22:31 |
| bilboed | thomasvs, I think passwords don't get recorded | 22:31 |
| thomasvs | bilboed: I'm pretty sure they do | 22:31 |
| keesj | yes they are | 22:31 |
| keesj | in xterm they do | 22:32 |
| thomasvs | yes | 22:32 |
| bilboed | aah, yes, in xterm | 22:32 |
| thomasvs | I get my password even in my browser now | 22:32 |
| bilboed | not those in password UI entries | 22:32 |
| thomasvs | right | 22:32 |
| keesj | but it does not remember capitals | 22:32 |
| thomasvs | sheesh, my ssh connection to it is unstable to the point of useless | 22:32 |
| thomasvs | does it use dasher for completion perhaps ? | 22:33 |
| myren_ | ooohhh low blow | 22:33 |
| thomasvs | ? | 22:33 |
| myren_ | your dasher crack. ;) | 22:34 |
| thomasvs | oh, didn't know there was an "issue" with dasher ? | 22:34 |
| thomasvs | it's the only thing I know that does completion, so maybe I thought it was using that | 22:34 |
| kulve | ~/.osso/hildon-input-method | 22:34 |
| kulve | but not easily per word | 22:35 |
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| idan | howdy | 23:19 |
| idan | I just flashed my 770 with scirocco | 23:19 |
| keesj | hi | 23:20 |
| idan | and I've run into a problem when apt-getting, google isn't helping :( : | 23:20 |
| idan | osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed | 23:20 |
| idan | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. | 23:20 |
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| idan | does anybody know about this? | 23:22 |
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| keesj | I don't | 23:26 |
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| idan | grr :( | 23:28 |
| Tak | what do you have in your sources.list ? | 23:29 |
| tzz | idab: did you try to install osso-bttools | 23:30 |
| idan | Tak: pastebinning in a second, basically the 2 original ones and repository.maemo.org + extras | 23:30 |
| Tak | sounds right then | 23:31 |
| idan | tzz: tried apt-get -f --reinstall install osso-app-killer osso-bttools | 23:31 |
| idan | problem persists | 23:31 |
| tzz | idan: can you try just bttools? | 23:31 |
| idan | tzz: sure, one sec | 23:32 |
| kender | hey, If there is a project in maemo garage, but it seems abandoned (the only one developer doesn't answer and no files nor anything else is in the project page), what can be done? my project is just the same, so... better not to create a new one with different name | 23:33 |
| idan | Tak: my sources.list is at http://pastebin.com/870656 | 23:33 |
| tzz | kender: you could talk to the garage admins | 23:34 |
| keesj | kender, if you know the answer let me know | 23:34 |
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| kender | keesj, :) | 23:34 |
| kender | tzz, ok, I'll do | 23:34 |
| idan | tzz: reinstall works as expected, don't know if this is related but apt-get complains about not finding dpkg-preconfigure | 23:34 |
| idan | trying to apt-get something else now to see if it fixed things... | 23:35 |
| kender | the project is maemo-fm...so, if anyone knows something about the developer... | 23:35 |
| idan | nope :( | 23:35 |
| Tak | add the mistral repos for maemo as well? | 23:35 |
| tzz | idan: sorry, no idea what's wrong then | 23:35 |
| idan | Tak: in parallel to scirocco or instead of? | 23:36 |
| etrunko | idan: are you trying a dist-upgrade or something like that? | 23:36 |
| Tak | addition | 23:36 |
| idan | etrunko: apt-get install gzip | 23:36 |
| idan | or anything els | 23:36 |
| idan | *else | 23:36 |
| idan | I used to have mistral, but I just installed the latest firmware image | 23:37 |
| idan | it worked long enough for me to install ssh and osso-xterm | 23:37 |
| idan | (via application manager / red-pill mode) | 23:37 |
| etrunko | idan: i see | 23:37 |
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| etrunko | it doesn't work here also | 23:37 |
| idan | any clues, detectives? | 23:37 |
| idan | :) | 23:37 |
| idan | oy :( | 23:37 |
| idan | so it is not something I am doing wrong, it's a bug? | 23:38 |
| kender | keesj, http://www.flickr.com/photos/keesj/ yours? | 23:38 |
| etrunko | idan: but gzip is provided by another package | 23:38 |
| etrunko | busybox | 23:38 |
| idan | good to know, but vncviewer is not in busybox :) | 23:39 |
| keesj | nope | 23:39 |
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| etrunko | damn | 23:40 |
| idan | ok, if I only install vncviewer it doesn't complain about the osso thing | 23:40 |
| idan | didn't know that busybox had that, maybe it's only a problem with those packages? | 23:40 |
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| idan | Tak: is it safe to have both mistral and scirocco repos in parallel? | 23:44 |
| idan | I think there are some things in mistral that are not in scirocco repos yet, apparently | 23:44 |
| Tak | yeah, I think so too | 23:45 |
| idan | you think it is safe or no? :) | 23:45 |
| Tak | I have them both on mine | 23:45 |
| Tak | however disclaimer etc | 23:45 |
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| idan | ok all, thanks for the assistance | 23:52 |
| idan | I think I'm good from here for a while, at least ;) | 23:53 |
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| kkito | hello, mi n800 doesnt boot :( i press de power up button, and then appears the nokia logo for 2 seconds and suddently shut down. | 23:56 |
| kkito | if someone knows how to solve it... | 23:56 |
| ||cw | dead battery? | 23:57 |
| Streg | kkito: I took my N800 for service today, because it hang on the blue nokia logo :( | 23:57 |
| kender | kkito, reflashing it? | 23:57 |
| kkito | kender, reflashing the n800 can solve the problem? | 23:58 |
| kender | maybe | 23:59 |
| kkito | Streg, did you try to flash the device? | 23:59 |
| kkito | kender, but i cannot boot up the system | 23:59 |
| kender | you can try, the guarraty allow you to do that | 23:59 |
| kender | kkito, don't worry | 23:59 |
| Streg | kkito: I was unable to boot to the flashing mode, so no | 23:59 |
| kender | you don't need to boot | 23:59 |
| kkito | How to boot to the flashing mode? | 23:59 |
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