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| minra | konfoo - was linuxtorretns on good? | 00:17 |
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| dogbix | Maybe someone can tell me..will any bluetooth keyboard work with the n800 ? | 00:18 |
| minra | i don't know about 'any' but the thinkoutside kbds and the nokia ones have been mentioned here | 00:21 |
| minra | theoretically any should | 00:21 |
| minra | given a whatsitcalled - hid profile? | 00:21 |
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| dogbix | How about 'freedom universal bt keyboard' "works with blackberry, pda...etc".... | 00:23 |
| konfoo | im setting up my own torrent server | 00:23 |
| dogbix | I was wondering how the n800 handles it? does it still pop up the virtual on screen keyboard? | 00:23 |
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| Tak|770 | I think 'universal' is a good sign | 00:24 |
| dogbix | Thanks ;) | 00:24 |
| minra | konfoo - nice... i suppose visibility on a big torrent site isn't particuarly useful to the project - as long as its on garage or something | 00:26 |
| minra | thanks for easing the way into scratchbox konfoo | 00:27 |
| konfoo | no prob | 00:27 |
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| konfoo | http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468 mameo 3 vmware development appliance | 00:42 |
| konfoo | someone try torrent that so i can check my ports ;) | 00:43 |
| Zer0Her0 | konfoo: trying now | 00:45 |
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| Zer0Her0 | konfoo: not connecting | 00:54 |
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| inz | Gahh... | 00:59 |
| inz | I _always_ forget to end g_object_set with NULL... | 00:59 |
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| MDK | inz: haha | 01:04 |
| MDK | inz: it's our fav | 01:04 |
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| dieguito | if there was an epiphany port for maemo, would anyone use it? | 01:09 |
| dieguito | would anyone prefer mozilla rendering over opera rendering? | 01:09 |
| s-ndh-c | isnt there a gecko based browser allready for maemo? | 01:10 |
| jtokash | konfoo, trying to connect. says no seeds | 01:11 |
| dieguito | hmm I think I heard someone saying that there's "minimo" but it basically sucks | 01:11 |
| jtokash | 2 peers, 0 seeds | 01:13 |
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| Zer0Her0 | same problem | 01:15 |
| obra | why does minimo suck? | 01:15 |
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| Tak|770 | I can't imagine preferring an epiphany clone over a FF clone | 01:24 |
| Tak|770 | why not contribute to minimo and have one good gecko browser instead of two halfass ones? | 01:26 |
| sp3001 | anyone happen to be on friendly terms with nautilus-sendto? | 01:29 |
| sp3001 | itdoesn't find my bt devices unless I have them poke at the laptop from their end, whereas hcitool scan does find stuff | 01:30 |
| dieguito | obra: no idea, I heard something about that but I can't remember clearly about it and I haven't try it | 01:32 |
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| dieguito | Tak|770: I would use it if it retains the "normal" Epiphany functionality and style, but of course that would be more a matter of choice and not merit | 01:33 |
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| minra | not sure, heard it was less stable than the shipped opera | 01:39 |
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| konfoo | good god | 01:42 |
| konfoo | you guys are killing my connection | 01:42 |
| konfoo | ok its working now | 01:42 |
| minra | hmm azureus says i need to portforward in order to share the torrent / accept incoming connections | 01:43 |
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| minra | but ive shared before with torrents -- maybe the tracker negotiates incoming requests within the stream and the bittorrent client initiates the outgoing connection for upload | 01:44 |
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| * minra reads up on torrent+nat+fw | 01:46 | |
| minra | i want to help share obviously | 01:46 |
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| MDK | hmm, when checking a "real" memory usage of a program, what's the stat I'm interested in? | 01:52 |
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| minra | using what tool?? | 01:53 |
| minra | MDK | 01:53 |
| konfoo | minra it could be cause i am running the torrent on port 50010 | 01:53 |
| MDK | minra: /proc/*/smaps | 01:54 |
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| minra | ah coming here it is mapped to 6971 | 01:54 |
| minra | but i have no uploaders yet | 01:54 |
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| jacques | is the OMAP2420 ARM1136 a ARM1136JF-S or a ARM1136J-S ? | 01:58 |
| jacques | the docs on the TI site about it are worthless | 02:00 |
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| Zer0Her0 | konfoo: once we get a couple seeds it won't be so bad. | 02:01 |
| konfoo | zero indeed :) | 02:02 |
| konfoo | seems like its going ok now | 02:02 |
| konfoo | had to tweak my qos | 02:02 |
| konfoo | all the requests killed me for like 10 mins | 02:02 |
| minra | heh | 02:02 |
| minra | well bittorrent wants 6881-6889 open afaic see | 02:03 |
| konfoo | u can use any port, but nod thats the default | 02:03 |
| minra | so those are forwarded from wan to lan now... just gotta see if both nats are the right type | 02:04 |
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| minra | ok set up sua/nat for 6881-6889 to the dmz | 02:05 |
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| konfoo | i threw a desktop screenshot up | 02:09 |
| konfoo | and the nfo | 02:09 |
| ssvb | jacques: I guess if 'F' is hardware floating point support, then OMAP2420 is ARM1136JF-S | 02:09 |
| jacques | ssvb, really? excellent! how do you know? | 02:10 |
| jacques | (the F does denote a hardware VFP unit) | 02:10 |
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| minra | ok now i'm getting Tracker: [Failure reason "Tracker error 3"] | 02:17 |
| ssvb | jacques: you can check ARM docs: http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DDI0211H_arm1136_r1p1_trm.pdf | 02:17 |
| konfoo | minra: hmmmmm | 02:17 |
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| ssvb | jacques: "The ARM1136JF-S processor includes a VFP. The ARM1136J-S does not include a VFP, and therefore does not have any VFP registers." | 02:18 |
| jacques | ssvb, yeah, but how did you know the OMAP 2420 includes the F core? I can't find that documented | 02:19 |
| jacques | TI's documentation only says "ARM1136" | 02:20 |
| ssvb | jacques: /proc/cpuinfo for N800 has 'vfp' feature: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html | 02:20 |
| minra | i'll figger it out konfoo... im just slow | 02:21 |
| jacques | ssvb, thanks! | 02:21 |
| konfoo | minra: no worries | 02:23 |
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| minra | ...and no hurries :) the best part of unemployment | 02:26 |
| konfoo | haha | 02:26 |
| minra | i sometimes feel sorry for my friends with families and stressful jobs | 02:27 |
| minra | no free time whatsoever | 02:27 |
| konfoo | yep, same here | 02:28 |
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| minra | cool link ssvb | 02:29 |
| inz | any1 willing to test new osso-xterm from maemo-hackers.org repo on N800? | 02:30 |
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| konfoo | inz: more like is anyone not willing to test it :) | 02:31 |
| inz | I added a vertical tool bar which currently has only a control button (I figured that vertical space is more precious) | 02:33 |
| inz | The control button works like the shift button in the vkb | 02:34 |
| inz | I'll backport that to 770/mistral if it proves useful | 02:34 |
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| inz | meh, home (ctrl+left) and end (ctrl+right) don't seem to work | 02:47 |
| inz | But page up (ctrl+up) and page down (ctrl+down) do | 02:47 |
| inz | I guess I'll get more feedback tomorrow | 02:48 |
| inz | or at least some ;p | 02:48 |
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| sp3000 | inz: c-left/right wfm for start/end of line in irssi | 02:51 |
| inz | sp, weird, they don't for me =/ | 02:52 |
| sp3000 | and in bb | 02:52 |
| inz | well, good for you =) | 02:53 |
| sp3000 | now give me an alt/meta and an emacs :P | 02:53 |
| inz | use the cancel key for meta | 02:53 |
| sp3000 | oh :) | 02:54 |
| sp3000 | that made too much sense to occur to me I guess | 02:57 |
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| inz | /me too | 02:58 |
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| |tbb| | what this new image for 800 is good for? | 04:45 |
| jacques | does scratchbox really need to be at /scratchbox or is the documentation at scratchbox.org out of date? | 04:56 |
| Tak | I thought I read a mail about not needing it to be at /scratchbox , but now I can't find it | 04:59 |
| jacques | I thought I saw something about that too - a new feature for maemo or something | 05:00 |
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| jacques | another question - how can I find out what IP address my N800 has? | 05:01 |
| jacques | connection manager is rather ... simplistic | 05:01 |
| WillySilly | no, it doesnt need to be in /scratchbox | 05:04 |
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| s-ndh-c | jacques: xterm -> ifconfig ? | 05:04 |
| s-ndh-c | i think there some applet for the home screen too that displays the ip | 05:05 |
| |tbb| | called iphome | 05:05 |
| |tbb| | whats the img good 4? | 05:06 |
| jacques | s-ndh-c, ok, I just installed xterm and I can do it with /sbin/ifconfig but I was hoping there was an easier way | 05:08 |
| jacques | WillySilly, thanks | 05:08 |
| jacques | I read you could install apps to a SD card but how do I tell application manager to do that ? | 05:08 |
| |tbb| | jacques, iphome applet does it! | 05:09 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe unpack the deb and change the install target,then build a new package from that | 05:09 |
| s-ndh-c | not sure | 05:10 |
| s-ndh-c | never tried that | 05:10 |
| jacques | |tbb|, of thanks, I didn't know you were answering my question before :-) | 05:10 |
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| minra | is there an mplayer for 800 yet? | 06:14 |
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| anothy_x | [mbm] - my N800 seems to be stuck in the same state yours was in on tuesday (looping reboots on the "NOKIA" screen). i read the logs, but i'm not clear what you did to reset the thing and get it working again. | 06:45 |
| anothy_x | looks like others have had this problem, too: paci, about a week ago. hrm. | 06:48 |
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| SyntaxNinja | greets! | 08:09 |
| SyntaxNinja | I'd like to install some nice applications like gpe-calendar on my Nokia N800; I took the blue pill or something, but the application manager isn't showing me too many things to install. any tips? | 08:09 |
| keesj | Do you have to many or the few choices? | 08:13 |
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| SyntaxNinja | I have too few choices | 08:14 |
| SyntaxNinja | do I need to add apt soruces or something fromm here: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories | 08:14 |
| SyntaxNinja | it's only showing me 3 apps I can install | 08:14 |
| keesj | So you want to know how to adds repositories, is that your question? | 08:16 |
| SyntaxNinja | no. I'm wondering what repositories I need to add, and if adding repositories is the right thing to get the applications Ii'm interested in. | 08:18 |
| SyntaxNinja | I just added the maemo one listed at link above, and am updating, seems like a largeish download, so I guess it's a big list :) | 08:18 |
| keesj | was big but I only tried the 770 version of that http://repository.maemo.org/ | 08:20 |
| keesj | I think that most packages you install will require this repository for dependencies. I am not sure | 08:21 |
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| SyntaxNinja | aaaand it crashed my machine. d'oh | 08:31 |
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| SyntaxNinja | damn. it's in a reboot loop now :( | 08:35 |
| SyntaxNinja | so sad | 08:35 |
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| konfoo | http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468 grab and help seed :) | 08:42 |
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| minra | oh yeah i got distracted | 08:50 |
| minra | woot ... the forwarding works | 08:52 |
| keesj | konfoo, I will try :) | 08:55 |
| keesj | was it tested under linux? | 08:55 |
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| SyntaxNinja | any tips for a nokia n800 stuck in a reboot loop? I can get it to shut off, but I can't get it to boot properly | 08:59 |
| SyntaxNinja | is there anything short of a re-flash thata might help? | 08:59 |
| Milhouse | SyntaxNinja: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=30502#post30502 | 09:01 |
| konfoo | keesj: no but it should work fine. nothing out of the ordinary in the config.. | 09:03 |
| keesj | is perl installed by default on the 770? | 09:12 |
| minra | no | 09:19 |
| minra | perl is not small | 09:20 |
| keesj | it ended up on my device anyway | 09:20 |
| minra | konfoo, that scratchbox will compile apps for 770 or 800? | 09:21 |
| SyntaxNinja | Milhouse: thanks for the link. My flasher isn't managing to execute; just waitinig for the device. I tried replacing the /proc/ with /dev as suggested, but no dice | 09:23 |
| SyntaxNinja | the nokia image is on the screen w/ a little usb icon in the upper-right | 09:23 |
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| SyntaxNinja | ahh, nm. got it to work. | 09:30 |
| SyntaxNinja | it doesn't reset now, but it sits at a white screen | 09:31 |
| minra | kinda wish you'd get a console on boot :/ | 09:38 |
| SyntaxNinja | yeah | 09:40 |
| SyntaxNinja | I'll try reflashing the image | 09:40 |
| * minra tries to figure out how to make a simple bash pipe that will throttle a cat | 09:40 | |
| SyntaxNinja | i bet that'll fix it. lame, though. | 09:40 |
| SyntaxNinja | cats are nice! | 09:40 |
| minra | hmm that must look odd to non unixers | 09:40 |
| minra | i want to cat a vt100 animation slowly | 09:41 |
| minra | like at 4800 baud (chars per second) | 09:41 |
| minra | you used to be able to limit it with stty but that hasnt worked for .. decades | 09:41 |
| SyntaxNinja | minra: don't call me a non unixer! ;) | 09:42 |
| konfoo | minra: 800, bora | 09:43 |
| minra | ah silly me | 09:43 |
| keesj | minra, perhaps stty will help? | 09:44 |
| minra | stty used to, about 11 years ago | 09:46 |
| minra | ok i will write it in c | 09:47 |
| minra | but i feel silly | 09:47 |
| keesj | perhaps just do a read/write with a sleep in between? | 09:51 |
| keesj | cat /etc/passwd | perl -e "while(<STDIN>){print , sleep 1}" | 09:51 |
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| minra | ah nice... i just have to make it character-by-character and sleep for 1/2400th of a second | 09:57 |
| minra | but am busy with something else right now... but perl might be the way | 09:58 |
| minra | oh cool, linux sleep can do floating point -- echo "hi";sleep 0.5; echo "there" | 10:00 |
| SyntaxNinja | ahh. got my device back. yay | 10:00 |
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| [mbm] | anothy_x: not entirely sure myself, reflashed it a few times and then put it into r&d mode .. at some point it magically booted again | 10:35 |
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| minra | keesj, cat $1 | ( while read -n 1 achar; do echo -n $achar ; sleep 0.0005 ; done ) | 10:58 |
| minra | minra enjoys the vt100 animations at lhttp://artscene.textfiles.com/vt100/ | 10:58 |
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| minra | hmm they dont all work right | 10:59 |
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| keesj | it is possible that because you use stdin/stdout the terminal chars a messed up | 11:00 |
| keesj | perhaps some use color? | 11:00 |
| minra | yeah and many assume a certain width | 11:00 |
| minra | reset | 11:00 |
| minra | oops | 11:00 |
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| [mbm] | any way to get some wifi logs to debug connection issues? | 11:01 |
| kulve | icd seems to log to syslog (on n800) | 11:02 |
| [mbm] | didn't seem to be a syslogd running on my 800 | 11:02 |
| kulve | I installed it with apt-get as root.. | 11:04 |
| [mbm] | busybox version with a memroy log or are you actually burning up flash for the logs? | 11:05 |
| kulve | I think I'm burning up the flash | 11:05 |
| kulve | and the stuff seems to log a lot to syslog | 11:06 |
| [mbm] | hmm.. don't like logging to flash devices; makes them wear out quicker | 11:06 |
| [mbm] | huh.. iwevent actually works .. didn't expect it to | 11:06 |
| kulve | maybe the /var/log can be a link to e.g. /media/mmc2/logs? | 11:07 |
| kulve | (the internal mmc) | 11:07 |
| [mbm] | yeah, was thinking that | 11:07 |
| [mbm] | got an access point that it refuses to connect to, and attempting to connect means that the next time you scan you won't see ANY networks | 11:08 |
| [mbm] | something really buggy with the wpa handling | 11:08 |
| kulve | odd | 11:08 |
| [mbm] | usually have to switch to offline mode and back again to restart the wifi before it'll see anything | 11:08 |
| kulve | there seems to be issues with wpa2 at least | 11:08 |
| [mbm] | also seems to have issues if the wireless is extremely active | 11:09 |
| kulve | I'm using wpa-psk and it has worked fluently. Except that I can't copy a 500M file to mmc with scp. It get's stalled after a 100M or so | 11:09 |
| [mbm] | if another wifi client starts hogging the wifi my n800 usually gets disconnected | 11:10 |
| [mbm] | wow, tons of syslog spam | 11:17 |
| kulve | yep | 11:17 |
| kulve | e.g. filemanager logs a lot. And the ics | 11:17 |
| kulve | icd | 11:17 |
| kulve | some init scripts rotates the logs on every boot, so they shouldn't grow up very big.. | 11:18 |
| [mbm] | doesn't look like it hooked into the rc.d directories to launch on boot | 11:19 |
| [mbm] | hmm, looks like the cron job would start it | 11:22 |
| kulve | I have /etc/init.d/syslogd | 11:23 |
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| kulve | sysklogd: mv -f /var/log/syslog /var/log/syslog.old | 11:24 |
| [mbm] | sure, but the typical sysv init style is to have a /etc/rc${runlevel}.d/ with an S??sysklogd linked to /etc/init.d/sysklogd | 11:25 |
| kulve | hmm.. | 11:25 |
| [mbm] | just that with this, the cron script runs "/etc/init.d/sysklogd reload-or-restart" every day/week which spawns it | 11:26 |
| kulve | I do have the syslog up'n'running after every boot | 11:26 |
| kulve | looks a bit weird arrangement | 11:26 |
| * [mbm] walks through the startup scripts | 11:27 | |
| [mbm] | inittab is showing /etc/init.d/rcS, then init.d/rc with a runlevel of 2 | 11:29 |
| [mbm] | rc does a loop through rc2.d/ | 11:29 |
| [mbm] | .. looks like a standard sysv bootup | 11:30 |
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| [mbm] | ah, rc2.d/S10sysklogd | 11:31 |
| kulve | I did do find on the /etc and still missed that.. | 11:32 |
| [mbm] | missed it because it didn't show on the dpkg -L | 11:32 |
| kulve | those are usually made with update-rc.d on the postinst | 11:33 |
| [mbm] | must be debian style update-rcd | 11:33 |
| [mbm] | right | 11:33 |
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| [mbm] | hmm .. now I just need a gconf-editor for all this gnome style crap | 11:36 |
| kulve | [mbm]: I'm doing a CP applet for starting and stopping /etc/init.d/* stuff. So with that it's easy to enable syslog only when you need it :) | 11:37 |
| [mbm] | :) | 11:37 |
| [mbm] | hmm amazing, don't see gconf-editor in any of the standard repositories | 11:38 |
| kulve | there's gconftool-2 ;) | 11:38 |
| [mbm] | yeah, that's the annoying commandline version | 11:38 |
| [mbm] | pretty nasty to browse with it | 11:39 |
| [mbm] | hmm.. http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2007/01/gconf-editor.html | 11:39 |
| [mbm] | 'soon to be released' | 11:39 |
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| [mbm] | could also use an applet to fix the default file handlers .. I'd rather use mplayer than have mediaplayer whine about codecs | 11:45 |
| c0ffee | hum | 11:45 |
| c0ffee | nici client sources | 11:45 |
| c0ffee | somebody had a look at that? | 11:45 |
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| inz | New osso-xterm packages for 770 and N800 | 12:25 |
| inz | If anyone is willing to test, I'd be glad to get some brief feedback | 12:25 |
| inz | What's new: toolbar with control button, screen next/prev window buttons | 12:28 |
| keesj | inz i can test is with the 770 | 12:32 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:33 |
| inz | morning | 12:33 |
| keesj | is it in the maemo-hackers repo? | 12:33 |
| inz | keesj, yeah | 12:33 |
| keesj | (once again logged in to the nokia but I have to find it now ) | 12:34 |
| inz | =) | 12:34 |
| keesj | I can already guess if it is upstairs or by by "feeling" the network speed | 12:35 |
| keesj | http://repository.maemo.org is pretty slow these days | 12:39 |
| inz | yup | 12:39 |
| inz | That's why my xterm package is independent of it ;) | 12:39 |
| keesj | I just did a apt-get update but after that apt-get upgrade downloads the headers again :( | 12:40 |
| keesj | inz , I will first need to solve these problems sorry http://paste-it.net/1026 | 12:42 |
| inz | keesj, the W: in the beginning means that it's a warning | 12:43 |
| inz | keesj, you can safely ignore those | 12:43 |
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| inz | keesj, and you can fix the first one by: wget -q -O - http://inz.fi/pubkey.txt | apt-key add - | 12:46 |
| inz | The other two are not fixable... (unless you disable the tableteer repos) | 12:46 |
| keesj | I never get updates from them anyway (osso-xterm was kept back) http://paste-it.net/1027 | 12:48 |
| inz | keesj, then "force" it's upgrade with apt-get install osso-xterm | 12:49 |
| keesj | Do i need to restart for the new fonts? | 12:53 |
| keesj | the C button on the right is not fully visible http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/screenshot01.png | 12:53 |
| keesj | are those control chars? | 12:54 |
| inz | Yeah, the C is for control | 12:56 |
| inz | The left and right are for screen, they act a bit funny when used without it ;) | 12:56 |
| inz | And yes, it seems you need to reboot to get bitstream fonts working. | 12:57 |
| inz | It's probably due to launcher... | 12:57 |
| keesj | yep looks nice http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/screenshot00.png | 12:58 |
| inz | Good to know it works, thanks =) | 12:59 |
| inz | btw, you can disable the toolbar from view menu | 12:59 |
| keesj | the control presses n and n how do I use control? | 12:59 |
| inz | Press the c once (so that it stays down) and press the key you want ctrlified | 13:00 |
| keesj | I need to install screen right? | 13:00 |
| inz | To get the < and > keys working, you need screen, yes | 13:00 |
| keesj | I have compiled irssi this morning | 13:00 |
| inz | But I can see from the first screenshot, that they're working as they're supposed to | 13:00 |
| keesj | it seams a bit strange to have both tabs and screen running | 13:01 |
| inz | i never use tabs... | 13:01 |
| inz | They cost way too much screen space | 13:01 |
| keesj | perhaps you can make the vertical room between the buttons larger? | 13:02 |
| [mbm] | last time I tried the osso-xterm from mamemo-hackers it didn't work on the n800; had to get the one from repository.mameo.org | 13:03 |
| inz | keesj, Not really, it's a GtkToolbar, the spacings aren't tunable | 13:03 |
| inz | [mbm], it was probably before I fixed it ;) | 13:03 |
| keesj | inz, from what deb did you install screen? | 13:06 |
| keesj | and you you run from flash card ? | 13:06 |
| AD-N770 | do you have the n800 at hand ? please, could you test if last release of my nethack port work on it ? | 13:07 |
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| inz | keesj, i don't have screen on the device, i use it through ssh | 13:08 |
| suihkulokki | AD-N770: thanks for the nethack update! | 13:08 |
| keesj | inz can't you add hspacers/springs or similar? | 13:08 |
| inz | keesj, i could add some separators, but i doubt they'd fix the gfx | 13:10 |
| AD-N770 | suihkulokki, do you tried it with the N800 ? do you know if it installs/runs properly ? | 13:11 |
| [mbm] | inz: xterm works on the 800 now | 13:13 |
| inz | AD, works fine on N800 | 13:15 |
| * [mbm] has no use for any of the new xterm features | 13:16 | |
| inz | =( | 13:16 |
| keesj | the [c] is very nice , | 13:16 |
| AD-N770 | thanks inz | 13:16 |
| inz | [mbm], well, it installs you pretty fonts and should launch faster ;) | 13:17 |
| [mbm] | map the c to the center button on the touchpad and it'd be useful | 13:17 |
| keesj | center button? | 13:17 |
| inz | [mbm], the problem is that the "center" button is used to launche thumb keyboard | 13:17 |
| AD-N770 | next job is try to fix the tuner tool for N800, probably during next weekend | 13:17 |
| inz | [mbm], and one shouldn't break system wide things like that | 13:18 |
| [mbm] | inz: yeah, which isn't too useful with xterm imho | 13:18 |
| inz | [mbm], granted, there is a lot of space you can ram your thumb into ;) | 13:18 |
| keesj | inz did you create separate packages or not? | 13:18 |
| [mbm] | well, that and I really don't care for a keyboard that covers the entire screen | 13:19 |
| inz | keesj, separate packages for what? | 13:19 |
| [mbm] | I sort of like to see the app I'm controlling | 13:19 |
| keesj | for the 770 and the 800 | 13:19 |
| inz | keesj, the new vte library is the same for both, but the xterm package itself is different for both | 13:20 |
| jtra | inz: nice xterm, I had plans to hack it too - but digressed by programming games :) | 13:20 |
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| inz | keesj, if I build it on mistral, it depends on packages that aren't installed by default on the N800, and I don't want to depend on the repository.maemo.org | 13:20 |
| jtra | inz: I also had idea of full screen translucent keyboard, that might be even usefull | 13:20 |
| keesj | jtra, do you really expect people to remeber the passwords of your game? | 13:20 |
| inz | jtra, translucency is just slow w/o hw acceleration... | 13:21 |
| inz | jtra, of course you can go pseudo, but then you lose the benefits | 13:21 |
| suihkulokki | AD-N770: no, I just have a 770 | 13:22 |
| jtra | keesj: heh, I done that in the same way as I did in 1998, but it is easy to change it | 13:24 |
| keesj | jtra I have read your webpage, | 13:24 |
| jtra | inz: if it would be integrated into libvte drawing it should be fast enough | 13:25 |
| [mbm] | hmm is there a statusbar-cpu for the 800 yet? | 13:27 |
| inz | jtra, you've got a point there... | 13:28 |
| inz | [mbm], nope, thanks for reminding... | 13:28 |
| keesj | inz, what deb repository when you want to port something to the maemo platform | 13:30 |
| keesj | what ode /lua version did you use when testing xmoto? | 13:30 |
| keesj | mud allows us to fetch source debs from different repositories but most seam useless to me | 13:31 |
| jtra | btw, now I'm porting my Shishen Sho game clone from ruby and tk to python and gtk | 13:31 |
| inz | keesj, the one that happends to be on the machine I use, usually debian/testing or ubuntu/edgy | 13:31 |
| inz | keesj, I don't remember the versions, they were at work, and I'm at home now. | 13:32 |
| inz | keesj, they weren't bleeding edge, that I do remember | 13:32 |
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| keesj | and all you did was getting the source from outside scrachbox and copying to the scratchbox? | 13:33 |
| inz | keesj, I may have changed debhelper dependency from >= 5.0.0 to 4, but IIRC not anything besides that | 13:34 |
| keesj | thanks | 13:34 |
| inz | Maybe changing debian/compat from 5 to 4 too. | 13:34 |
| inz | debhelper 4.x doesn't like if debian/compat says 5 | 13:34 |
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| [mbm] | hmm .. n800: /sys/power/state says it supports both standby and mem; any way in the ui to suspend to mem? | 13:43 |
| inz | afaik no | 13:45 |
| [mbm] | hrm. | 13:46 |
| [mbm] | lately I've been doing a lock screen and just letting it sleep .. mem would be better on the battery | 13:46 |
| inz | you can add a "soft poweroff" option to powerkeymenu, if you remove a comment from /etc/systemui/systemui.xml, but I don't think it does that | 13:47 |
| [mbm] | could do it in mce; PowerKeyShortAction=softpoweroff | 13:48 |
| [mbm] | did an 'echo mem > state' and it seemed to work fine | 13:48 |
| inz | Once I get the cpu applet fixed, you might be able to do a "sh -c 'echo "echo mem > /sys/power/state"|sudo gainroot'" | 13:51 |
| [mbm] | hmm soft poweroff seems to be a mock thing | 13:52 |
| [mbm] | doesn't drop the voltage | 13:52 |
| inz | do | 13:52 |
| inz | +h | 13:52 |
| [mbm] | when you do mem it shows up in dmesg as going into low power | 13:54 |
| keesj | and does one know if it is possible not to put docs in the deb packages? | 13:54 |
| MDK | inz: btw, I noticed strange thing in maemo hackers terminal with n800 | 13:54 |
| MDK | inz: the first time I launch the vkb in the terminal, the space bar is missing | 13:54 |
| MDK | (yeah, I know, it sounds rather strange) | 13:54 |
| inz | MDK, remember the "i always forget the terminating NULL" -rant earlier? | 13:55 |
| MDK | haha | 13:55 |
| inz | MDK, go upgrade your terminal and be happy ;) | 13:55 |
| inz | Thumb kbd launching and the "space missing" boogs are fixed now. =) | 13:56 |
| [mbm] | hmm 'standby' and 'mem' appear identical | 13:58 |
| MDK | ah, cool | 13:58 |
| keesj | Pressing two hardware buttons at the same time: was that possible? | 14:02 |
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| [mbm] | heh, https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=943 .. talking about the 770's cover mode vs the 800 | 14:08 |
| MDK | yeah | 14:09 |
| MDK | the crappy part is that when you "lock device" it still responds to keys | 14:10 |
| MDK | I mean, "lock device" should be an extended "lock touchscreen and keys" | 14:10 |
| [mbm] | yeah, I'm looking for a proper 800 standby mode | 14:10 |
| [mbm] | easy to do from the terminal :/ | 14:10 |
| MDK | so when you "lock it" it diplsays the lock code dialog but keys are all active. So sooner or later "cancel" will get pressed in your pocket | 14:11 |
| MDK | effectively shutting down the device completely | 14:11 |
| MDK | this is moronic | 14:11 |
| [mbm] | if you play with /sys/power/state you can put the device into standby and it only appears to respond to the power button; dmesg shows the voltage for most of the key systems shut off | 14:12 |
| [mbm] | seems odd that there's not a standby mode in the power menu | 14:13 |
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| [mbm] | hmm doesn't even flash the led in that mode | 14:15 |
| kulve | [mbm]: I hope you are documenting your experiments to maemo wiki? :) | 14:16 |
| [mbm] | if I come up with anythign useful I will | 14:17 |
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| kulve | [mbm]: I think you have already set useful things. At least other people don't need to check the same things | 14:24 |
| kulve | s,set,said, | 14:26 |
| [mbm] | lmao - to prove how ineffective the 'soft poweroff' mode is, media player is still playing | 14:27 |
| [mbm] | I want the thing to go into standby, not just turn off the screen and pretend | 14:28 |
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| wumpus | mm, echo mem > /sys/power/state makes the device kinda instable | 14:34 |
| wumpus | it seems to come out fine then suddenly rebooted | 14:34 |
| [mbm] | no issues with it here | 14:34 |
| [mbm] | then again I am in r&d mode, might have some wd turned off | 14:35 |
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| wumpus | also, the keyboard was messed up, the up and down key in xterm suddenly caused the fontsize to change, instead of browsing through history | 14:36 |
| kulve | [mbm]: yeah, the R&D can really change things | 14:36 |
| wumpus | that might be the reason of the reboot as well | 14:36 |
| wumpus | as it looked clean (I saw the shutdown logo just appear and poof) | 14:36 |
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| [mbm] | kulve: true, but I hate the idiot mode it tends to put you in otherwise | 14:37 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 14:37 |
| wumpus | r&d mode is off here, I achieved root through the ssh thing | 14:37 |
| [mbm] | I turned r&d mode on to debug a bootup issue and never bothered to turn it back off | 14:38 |
| kulve | yeah, I haven't enabled R&d either | 14:38 |
| [mbm] | the obvious differences are that it displays the version numbers on the bootup screen and doesn't make you hold down the power for 3 sec | 14:39 |
| kulve | I somehow remember that the R&D mode disabled some power saving stuff on 770 but I can't be sure about that. And I don't know about n800 | 14:42 |
| tigert | it does | 14:44 |
| tigert | at least the serial console is on AFAIK | 14:44 |
| tigert | and perhaps something else | 14:44 |
| inz | tigert, upgrade your osso-xterm now or be square! | 14:45 |
| [mbm] | those are optional flags | 14:45 |
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| tigert | !! | 14:46 |
| tigert | ok! | 14:46 |
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| [mbm] | inz: next version of xterm you should support commandline switches so I can spawn kismet directly | 15:12 |
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| keesj | Yes , something like konsole ! | 15:17 |
| keesj | I really love the tab management of console. | 15:17 |
| [mbm] | well, as is I need to run xterm then launch the program; would be nice if the 'open in terminal' modes actually worked | 15:19 |
| wumpus | mm talking about kismet, does anyone else have the problem that after running kismet you cannot select a network anymore through the connection menu? | 15:20 |
| wumpus | probably it puts the prism chip in some weird state, but haven't been able to find out what | 15:21 |
| [mbm] | yeah, that's because kismet screws with the wifi card and puts it into monitor mode | 15:21 |
| [mbm] | switch to offline mode then switch back to normal mode | 15:21 |
| wumpus | ok thanks :D | 15:21 |
| wumpus | omfg I installed some update to busybox now my device does not boot anymore | 15:22 |
| [mbm] | been there, done that | 15:24 |
| wumpus | I can't even turn it off anymore it remains in a loop showing the nokia logo | 15:24 |
| [mbm] | heh yep. | 15:24 |
| [mbm] | reflash it | 15:24 |
| wumpus | okay | 15:24 |
| [mbm] | (someone really ought to put a warning on that package) | 15:24 |
| wumpus | why is it there anyway? | 15:24 |
| wumpus | reflashing will delete everything on the device right? | 15:25 |
| [mbm] | dunno, I was pretty pissed when I found that bug last week | 15:25 |
| [mbm] | yep | 15:25 |
| wumpus | damn | 15:25 |
| kulve | what does it screw up? | 15:25 |
| [mbm] | kulve: if you update busybox on the n800 it somehow refuses to boot | 15:26 |
| kulve | does it get any further if you disable the rebooting stuff with the flasher? | 15:26 |
| wumpus | it just bricks it | 15:26 |
| wumpus | yeah, I guess I have to experiment with the flasher now a bit | 15:26 |
| [mbm] | it's the 1.1.3-3.sdk2 iirc | 15:26 |
| wumpus | can I also fetch the filesystem from it in some way? | 15:26 |
| [mbm] | and don't ask me how I fixed mine, because I had to play with the flasher before mine booted | 15:27 |
| kulve | wumpus: probably not | 15:27 |
| wumpus | it's a great update, I was really so tired of seeing other things than the nokia startup screen :) | 15:27 |
| [mbm] | put mine in r&d mode just to watch it boot | 15:27 |
| kulve | no-lifeguard-reset might help it go further but if busybox is messed up, it may not help at all.. | 15:28 |
| [mbm] | I had updated to busybox, noticed my xterm wouldn't start and hunted all over the palce for the correct version of the busybox package | 15:29 |
| [mbm] | then I decided to power down and leave it for some other day | 15:29 |
| [mbm] | bad idea | 15:29 |
| guerby | wumpus, please update http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications | 15:33 |
| keesj | any body willing to make an icon for irssi? | 15:35 |
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| keesj | perhaps just a small flame like on the website http://www.irssi.org/about | 15:35 |
| wumpus | find: Filesystem loop detected; `./scratchbox/users/orion/scratchbox' has the same device number and inode as a directory which is 3 levels higher in the filesystem hierarchy | 15:36 |
| wumpus | interesting :) | 15:36 |
| c0ffee | see the mount output | 15:38 |
| [mbm] | you can do tricks like that wqith mount -o bind /directory /directory | 15:39 |
| wumpus | ahh I see, mount is used to link a filesystem somewhere else | 15:39 |
| [mbm] | it can be | 15:39 |
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| c0ffee | if you shut down the sbox using /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop | 15:41 |
| [mbm] | mount basically takes two args, a source and a directory to place it .. there's a few obscure options like '-o move' and '-o bind' that let you give an existing directory as source | 15:41 |
| [mbm] | find also has options to stop at filesystem boundaries | 15:42 |
| c0ffee | the mounts are removed | 15:42 |
| c0ffee | and with unionfs you can also overlay mount | 15:42 |
| [mbm] | cache on write | 15:43 |
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| keesj | cache on write? | 15:44 |
| keesj | never mind | 15:44 |
| [mbm] | term used to describe filesystems such as unionfs | 15:44 |
| [mbm] | basically you take two filesystems, eg one fully populated and one completely empty | 15:45 |
| [mbm] | and you use union to bind them as one virtual filesystem | 15:45 |
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| [mbm] | so if the populated filesystem was a cdrom, it's now writable | 15:45 |
| keesj | that sounds like copy on write for read only file system | 15:45 |
| [mbm] | and all changes get stored to the other filesystem | 15:45 |
| [mbm] | exactly | 15:46 |
| [mbm] | problem is that they tend to be braindead and not notice when the file has been reverted back to it's original state | 15:46 |
| keesj | the last linux journal / magazine also talked about a new kind of crash-safe file system that was not journalling | 15:47 |
| [mbm] | so you change the file, it creates a copy, you revert it, you still have copies on both filesystems | 15:47 |
| keesj | I was thinking about that for the mud builder and the wmware cdrom | 15:47 |
| [mbm] | I use mini_fo for my router distribution | 15:48 |
| [mbm] | basically a smaller version of uinionfs | 15:48 |
| keesj | You can provide a environment for developers that can "trashed" after each use | 15:49 |
| [mbm] | well, reason I did it was because squashfs gets better compression than jffs2 | 15:49 |
| [mbm] | so I crammed everything into squashfs then created a jffs2 overlay to make it seem writable | 15:50 |
| keesj | [mbm], I have very much fun learning all this. | 15:51 |
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| kpel | hi | 15:52 |
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| [mbm] | you're slo right about the 'trashed' part - I had it so if you held a button it didn't mount jffs2 and you got whatever was on squashfs | 15:52 |
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| Andy80 | hi :) | 15:53 |
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| Andy80 | does 770 run java midp 1.0/2.0 apps? | 16:04 |
| tzz | andy80: there's some work being done, but nothing yet | 16:05 |
| Andy80 | ok thanks | 16:06 |
| Andy80 | and... another big big question... I see for example that Os 2007 only runs on N800. This means that Os 2006 is the last release for N770? | 16:06 |
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| kulve | Andy80: it seems that it's going to be the latest offcial release | 16:07 |
| Andy80 | :( | 16:08 |
| kulve | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ | 16:08 |
| kulve | "The goal is to provide an engineering release of those parts of the software that can be made to work." | 16:09 |
| Andy80 | then... N770 is missing other important things... for example... the flash plugin distributed with 770 is quite old! I cannot view google video or youtube videos. Then... I cannot watch any kid of video! I tried both AVI and WMV but nothing to do :( | 16:10 |
| Whiz | 770-encode.pl :) | 16:11 |
| kulve | I think the 770 does not have the power to show flash videos | 16:11 |
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| Andy80 | Whiz: website not found... | 16:12 |
| kulve | try google that.. | 16:13 |
| inz | [mbm], you can now run /usr/bin/osso-xterm foobar to get a terminal (or a tab) running foobar | 16:13 |
| [mbm] | cool | 16:13 |
| Whiz | Andy80, http://www.bleb.org/software/770/ | 16:14 |
| Andy80 | thanks :) | 16:14 |
| ssvb | kulve: try mplayer, you will see that 770 has enough power for most videos from youtube | 16:16 |
| kulve | ssvb: is there mplayer for n800? :) | 16:16 |
| [mbm] | mplayer works on the n800 | 16:16 |
| kulve | the "built-in" isn't very nice.. | 16:16 |
| [mbm] | don't expect miracles though | 16:17 |
| ssvb | kulve: hmm, i thought you asked about 770 :) | 16:17 |
| kulve | [mbm]: not according to http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications.. | 16:17 |
| kulve | ssvb: I did | 16:17 |
| [mbm] | plays most common filetypes but usually very slow | 16:17 |
| kulve | ssvb: but I have n800 :) | 16:17 |
| Molagi | mplayer works sucky on my n800 | 16:17 |
| Molagi | the video is warping | 16:18 |
| Andy80 | ssvb: does mplayer play flash videos? | 16:18 |
| [mbm] | mplayer works fine on my 800 except that can't keep up with most codecs | 16:18 |
| ssvb | Andy80: yes, though it has some troubles with seekeng in flv files | 16:18 |
| Andy80 | ssvb: ok, I finish recharging the 770 battery and I try it! :) | 16:19 |
| Molagi | [mbm] does it work flawlessly | 16:19 |
| Molagi | is the video playback fast? | 16:19 |
| [mbm] | apart from the slow framerate on some videos I haven't noticed any problems | 16:20 |
| Molagi | because when i play some videos with it, it freezes like every two minutes and warps | 16:20 |
| Andy80 | anyway... if the main problem with codecs is license.... well... we could release it in a separate website... like it usually happens for most linux distro ;) | 16:20 |
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| [mbm] | early versions of mplayer tried to use the 770's yuv hack and displayed a mini multicolored mess on the screen but recent versions have been fine | 16:21 |
| wumpus | mm, I flashed my device now it turns on, shows the nokia logo, and turns off again | 16:26 |
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| wumpus | I suppose more than busybox is now broken :/ | 16:27 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 16:27 |
| kulve | wumpus: battery empty? | 16:27 |
| wumpus | root@sulphur:~# ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 16:30 |
| wumpus | flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) | 16:30 |
| wumpus | SW version in image: RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_MR0 | 16:30 |
| wumpus | all the status messages seem ok | 16:30 |
| wumpus | yes battery is ok too | 16:30 |
| [mbm] | I reflashed mine a few times, didn't get it working until I switched to r&d mode (might have been a coincidence) | 16:30 |
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| wumpus | * | 16:31 |
| wumpus | * | 16:31 |
| wumpus | PC: Watch the messages as the image loads to the N800 after which it reboots automatically -- you're done now! | 16:31 |
| wumpus | it doesn't reboot automatically | 16:31 |
| wumpus | Finishing flashing... done, it now still hangs in the nokia screen with the USB logo | 16:31 |
| * [mbm] curious to know what finally fixes it .. didn't keep good notes of mine | 16:35 | |
| [mbm] | inz: what's the syntax for launching an app into xterm? every time I try it just stalls at the commandline | 16:36 |
| wumpus | Version of 'sw-release': RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_MR0 | 16:43 |
| wumpus | The device root device is 'flash' | 16:43 |
| wumpus | it should have flashed ok | 16:44 |
| wumpus | mm let's try flashing from windows then :/ | 16:44 |
| wumpus | note to self: never install updates to init on an embedded device | 16:45 |
| Andy80 | my N770 has just reboot itself :( I just turned it on, I was selecting the connection and... puff!!! it rebooted!!! :( | 16:45 |
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| [mbm] | wumpus: same thing in windows | 16:46 |
| kpel | does 770 keep system logs like a 'normal' unix system? | 16:46 |
| [mbm] | kpel: no, at least not without syslogd from a 3rd party | 16:47 |
| kpel | ok thanks | 16:47 |
| [mbm] | you probably don't want it to log to the internal flash either | 16:47 |
| kpel | true. maybe a ring buffer would be nice for that job | 16:48 |
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| [mbm] | busybox version of syslog supports a nice 16k ring buffer | 16:49 |
| [mbm] | (in mem) | 16:49 |
| kpel | cool, thanks | 16:49 |
| [mbm] | my concern isn't with the log size, but the frequency of the writes | 16:49 |
| [mbm] | flash will eventually wear out | 16:50 |
| kpel | that's a concern indeed. there are no mips to spare | 16:50 |
| wumpus | also think about power consumption | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | Ok, I tried to use 770-encoder, but it gives me this error: mplayer doesn't support FFmpeg lavc encoder | 16:50 |
| * [mbm] used to have a swapfile on a compact flash card a few years back .. amazing how quickly you could burn out one of those | 16:51 | |
| Andy80 | [mbm]: you don't suggest to use swap file on mmc? | 16:52 |
| wumpus | ok no luck either flashing in windows | 16:53 |
| wumpus | how can the device get so messed up? | 16:53 |
| [mbm] | Andy80: not unless you want to break the mmc | 16:53 |
| wumpus | it all reports update fine, but it just switches off after boot :/ | 16:53 |
| [mbm] | wumpus: by burn up I mean the card was rendered unusable | 16:53 |
| Andy80 | mmm... :( | 16:54 |
| [mbm] | wumpus: been there; I don't remember what fixed it but I did put it in r&d mode | 16:54 |
| wumpus | I flashed a lot of devices in my life but never had that using the vendor tool to flash the vendor image messed something up | 16:54 |
| wumpus | ill try that next | 16:55 |
| keesj | hmm I installed screen on the 770 but It cannot create pty's | 16:56 |
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| keesj | No more PTYs. is the message | 16:56 |
| * [mbm] remembers reflashing in windows, reflashing under linux, flashing individual pices under linux, and then finally putting it into r&d mode | 16:56 | |
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| wumpus | [mbm]: yup it prints all kinds of interesting stuff now | 16:58 |
| wumpus | and it boots | 16:58 |
| [mbm] | :) | 16:59 |
| wumpus | nice :D | 16:59 |
| inz | [mbm], err, did you install the 0.13.mh15(bora1) version? | 17:00 |
| wumpus | and now it boots in production mode again too | 17:01 |
| [mbm] | inz: yep | 17:01 |
| [mbm] | wumpus: left mine in r&d .. more fun | 17:01 |
| [mbm] | really wonder how a busybox applet could render the device unbootable even after reflashing | 17:02 |
| kulve | no easily.. | 17:02 |
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| kulve | but there are bits in the flash that are not overwritten on reflash I think | 17:02 |
| [mbm] | almost sounds like the busybox app puked all over the r&d settings area | 17:03 |
| kulve | e.g. I think it remembers ther R&D mode over reflash | 17:03 |
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| [mbm] | well yeah, flash is partitioned, look at /proc/mtd for a list of partitions | 17:04 |
| [mbm] | boot, config, kernel, initrd, root | 17:04 |
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| wumpus | it probably sets some flag if init refuses to work, and remembers that until r&d mode is set | 17:09 |
| wumpus | ie like 'need repair' | 17:09 |
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| inz | [mbm], if you run /usr/bin/osso-xterm top it doen't launch top in new tab? | 17:10 |
| [mbm] | heh, my car has one of those .. service light comes on .. why? car needs servicing? nope, it just wants you to drag it into the shop so someone can hit the reset button | 17:10 |
| [mbm] | inz: no, that dumps me back to the commandline without doing anythign .. if I give it a full path then it just stalls on the commandline until I kill it | 17:11 |
| inz | hmm, weird... | 17:12 |
| [mbm] | oh, would also be nice if the commandline syntax matched the real xterm program (including things like -rv) | 17:12 |
| inz | [mbm], yeah, but it's awfully lot of work ;) | 17:13 |
| [mbm] | I know | 17:14 |
| [mbm] | just mean when you add an option, add it in the same way that a normal xterm takes it | 17:15 |
| wumpus | [mbm]: it's been common practice for nokia devices too, I hacked the 3310 series a bit back in the days, if something strange happened you needed to jump through all kinds of hoops to reset 'contact service' mode :) | 17:16 |
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| c0ffee | ooooh, the tension | 17:20 |
| c0ffee | will the codes be sent at midnight? | 17:20 |
| keesj | let the countdown begin! | 17:20 |
| keesj | midnight in china? | 17:20 |
| c0ffee | last time i received it at 10:51 am | 17:21 |
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| [mbm] | hmm nifty article about erasing ink and reusing printer paper fails to mention that if you feed the same sheet through a printer a few dozen times it gets nasty and that if the paper isn't crisp it gets jammed | 17:22 |
| [mbm] | http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23382487-details/Just+what+James+Bond+ordered+-+paper+on+which+the+writing+vanishes/article.do | 17:22 |
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| c0ffee | that sounds 'useful' | 17:22 |
| [mbm] | yep, who's the target demographic? spies printing out secret codes? | 17:23 |
| [mbm] | maybe it's for printing porn without getting caught with the evidence | 17:24 |
| c0ffee | printed porn is sooo 80s | 17:25 |
| c0ffee | nowadays you have a sd card full of avis | 17:25 |
| [mbm] | yeah, no papercut issues there | 17:26 |
| [mbm] | (they invented the same 'erase and reuse your paper' thing in the early 90s .. r&d department there didn't do their homework on what happened to that one) | 17:28 |
| c0ffee | oh boy oh boy | 17:30 |
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| c0ffee | it's like the day before christmas | 17:30 |
| c0ffee | just that i can't be sure, santa will really come | 17:30 |
| c0ffee | and first, i have to drive home anyway | 17:30 |
| c0ffee | so bbl & | 17:31 |
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| keesj | inz, funny I can only start xterm or screen not both | 17:36 |
| keesj | perhaps the kernel only allows on "tty" at the time? | 17:37 |
| [mbm] | probably ran out of /dev entries | 17:38 |
| keesj | if I do /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max and nr there are max 4 pty and 3 are "in use" | 17:38 |
| keesj | yep echo "20" > max solved the problem , | 17:40 |
| keesj | what would be a good place to put such a command ? | 17:41 |
| keesj | and the arrows work | 17:42 |
| [mbm] | usually done by sysctl | 17:42 |
| [mbm] | should be a /etc/sysctl.conf and a 'sysctl -p' somewhere in startup | 17:43 |
| * [mbm] didn't look to see if maemo actually does it that way | 17:43 | |
| pahartik | [mbm]: Maemo 2.1 does not have "sysctl" | 17:44 |
| [mbm] | hmm, appears 3.0 does but it's not actually implemented in the startup | 17:44 |
| * [mbm] pokes through 'sysctl -a' | 17:46 | |
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| timeless | hello world | 18:06 |
| timeless | anyone here happen to have a win32 flasher that can clear RD flags? | 18:06 |
| * timeless just crashed vmware player... | 18:07 | |
| keesj | inz, perhaps you can add a copy&paste option on the osso-xterm | 18:09 |
| timeless | keesj: xterm doesn't have copy/paste in the menu? | 18:09 |
| keesj | yes , but not the combined action | 18:10 |
| timeless | why bother? | 18:10 |
| timeless | the stupid clipboard will replace itself w/ your selection | 18:10 |
| timeless | pasting will paste the xterm selection | 18:10 |
| keesj | not the clipboard is not replaced when I do a selection , but that would also be fine by me | 18:12 |
| timeless | hrm, indeed | 18:12 |
| timeless | well, from memory, i sure remember having my clipboard destroyed when i make a selection | 18:12 |
| timeless | it always annoyed me | 18:12 |
| keesj | it is the same difference between windows and unix copy&paste | 18:13 |
| keesj | I prefer the windows aproach , it just happen to often on that I want to replace and url in the brower and by error select a new part | 18:14 |
| timeless | personally if someoen's going to spend time enhancing the xterm | 18:15 |
| keesj | (for firefox you can paste with the middle mouse button anywhere) | 18:15 |
| timeless | i'd rather they fix it so that the on screen keyboard doesn't trigger | 18:15 |
| timeless | um, that's wrong | 18:15 |
| timeless | please don't spread any opinions about firefox | 18:15 |
| timeless | anyway, doesn't trigger resizing of the terminal | 18:16 |
| timeless | because it costs me a lot in GPRS packet $ | 18:16 |
| timeless | in firefox, middle clicking can do a number of things | 18:16 |
| timeless | it can open the current link in a new window | 18:16 |
| timeless | it can close the clicked tab | 18:16 |
| timeless | it can load the clipbord into the current tab | 18:16 |
| timeless | and it can paste the clipboard into an edit field | 18:16 |
| timeless | it might be able to do some other things too | 18:16 |
| keesj | and worse it can do the freaking mouse scrolling thing | 18:17 |
| timeless | but those are the first *three* that comes to mind | 18:17 |
| timeless | oh, yes! | 18:17 |
| * timeless totally forgot | 18:17 | |
| timeless | anyway, is there a flasher for win32 that can clear RD flags? | 18:19 |
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| Jaffa | Evening, all | 18:23 |
| keesj | Hi | 18:23 |
| wumpus | yeah I prefer the windows copy/paste style too, if only that confusing X has two clipboards | 18:24 |
| wumpus | and it's too easy to get stuff to end up in the clipboard | 18:24 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: I've been up away from the Internet, visiting my grandad in hospital. About to have a cup of tea to warm up, then I'll look over the emails I see I've got from you ;-) | 18:27 |
| keesj | Jaffa, I think I need a svn accont ;p | 18:28 |
| Zer0Her0 | rocKon80 | 18:30 |
| Zer0Her0 | totally wrong window, that person isn't even on this network | 18:30 |
| keesj | my laptop screen did not react on stylus input! I am officially ill | 18:32 |
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| AD-N770 | hi ppl | 18:37 |
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| inz | keesj, I tried to open gnome System menu with thumb press on my laptop ;) | 18:55 |
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| suihkulokki | wumpus: well it's not confusing, if you never tell about the selection/middle clip "trick" | 19:02 |
| suihkulokki | ..and only use modern application (aka. not xterm) | 19:02 |
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| konfoo | anyone try the vmware appliance yet? | 19:08 |
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| keesj | I will start the download again | 19:19 |
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| keesj | it was giving strange errors | 19:20 |
| konfoo | there seem to be 5-6 seeds now so someone has to have it ;) | 19:20 |
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| sp3000 | wumpus: not really easy to accidentally get stuff into clipboard uless you use broken apps like xchat | 19:27 |
| sp3000 | that clobber clip on selection | 19:27 |
| sp3000 | fortunately that's the only relevant suchly brokne app that comes to mind today | 19:27 |
| wumpus | yeah, I use xchat, that's probably the problem then :) | 19:32 |
| wumpus | stupid that it doesn't have normal gtk-ish behavior then | 19:32 |
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| hap | hi | 19:52 |
| keesj | konfoo: this is what I get [18:52:32] rejected by tracker - Tracker error 3 | 19:57 |
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| hap | stupid question, how can I see maemo working on a windows machine ? | 20:04 |
| hap | is there an emulator, can I just install maemo with a vmware? | 20:05 |
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| konfoo | Tracker error 3 meant that you stats update failed. This problem is usually fixed with a re-announce Simply wait for it to re-announce | 20:10 |
| tko | hap, maemo only runs in linux, a rather customized linux at that .. there may be a vmware image, poke ferulo | 20:10 |
| konfoo | u got a port blocked on your f/w or something? | 20:10 |
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| ferulo | yeah, I made a vmware image based on ubuntu+mistral SDK | 20:11 |
| ferulo | I should update it at some point to bora | 20:11 |
| hap | ferulo: ok,i guess i have to wait to see that working then. | 20:12 |
| ferulo | well, it's not that difficult to make it | 20:12 |
| ferulo | just download a ubuntu vmware image | 20:12 |
| ferulo | install vmplayer | 20:12 |
| ferulo | opern it | 20:12 |
| ferulo | install SDK following instructions on maemo.org | 20:12 |
| ferulo | and that's all folks! | 20:12 |
| konfoo | ferulo: already done http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 20:12 |
| hap | ah, the SDK runs on linux ? | 20:13 |
| c0ffee | hey ferulo | 20:13 |
| ferulo | yeah | 20:13 |
| c0ffee | what about providing a more recent gtk for scratchbox, so ppl could use the current gazpacho? | 20:13 |
| ferulo | c0ffee: you don't need any new gtk at all | 20:14 |
| ferulo | I've it running with the bora | 20:14 |
| c0ffee | hum | 20:14 |
| c0ffee | here it wants kiwi, and kiwi wants gtk 2.8 | 20:14 |
| ferulo | hehe, there is a little trick | 20:14 |
| ferulo | kiwi wants pygtk 2.8 | 20:14 |
| ferulo | not gtk 2.8 | 20:14 |
| c0ffee | yes | 20:14 |
| ferulo | and with bora we have gtk 2.6 and pygtk 2.10 | 20:14 |
| ferulo | don't ask why :) | 20:14 |
| c0ffee | hum | 20:15 |
| ferulo | well, patched version of pygtk | 20:15 |
| ferulo | buuut | 20:15 |
| ferulo | you cannot build kiwi package from scratch | 20:15 |
| c0ffee | when i got the latest kiwi on my bora, it complained during the built phase | 20:15 |
| c0ffee | indeed | 20:15 |
| ferulo | it would fail because of the python in the scratchbox | 20:15 |
| ferulo | I was wondering how to fix it... | 20:15 |
| ferulo | the easy solution is not build a kiwi package | 20:15 |
| ferulo | but uncompress the tarrball | 20:15 |
| ferulo | and doing: | 20:16 |
| ferulo | python2.5 ./setup.py intall | 20:16 |
| ferulo | :) | 20:16 |
| ferulo | then you can just install gazpacho on top of it | 20:16 |
| ferulo | then grab gazpacho-hildon from stage.maemo.org | 20:16 |
| ferulo | and buld the package (you need to edit the control file to change dependecies from python2.4 to python2.5) | 20:16 |
| c0ffee | doesn't kiwi compile with python2.4 as well? | 20:17 |
| ferulo | the problem with python2.4 from scratchbox is that it tries to find pygtk package, and looks on /scratchbos/tools/lib/python2.4/site-packages | 20:18 |
| ferulo | or something like that | 20:18 |
| ferulo | and you don't want that path | 20:18 |
| ferulo | you want the one coming from python2.5 from maemo extras | 20:18 |
| ferulo | that is the on which has pygtk installed on it | 20:18 |
| ferulo | maybe setting a custom PYTHONPATH env could work, no idea right now | 20:19 |
| c0ffee | my bora doesn't have python2.5 btw | 20:19 |
| ferulo | you neeed to add maemo.org extra repository | 20:19 |
| c0ffee | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 20:19 |
| c0ffee | like this? | 20:19 |
| ferulo | no | 20:19 |
| ferulo | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free | 20:20 |
| ferulo | IIRC | 20:20 |
| c0ffee | well, i'll check that out | 20:20 |
| c0ffee | after diner | 20:20 |
| c0ffee | thx so far :) | 20:20 |
| ferulo | np | 20:20 |
| hap | konfoo: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468 looks good, but taking a long time | 20:25 |
| hap | konfoo: you don't have a link to download somwhere ? :) | 20:26 |
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| konfoo | hap it will speed up as more seeders join, it only went up yesterday | 20:26 |
| hap | ah ok | 20:26 |
| hap | well, i'll just wait then. | 20:27 |
| hap | konfoo: why don't you upload it on usenet binaries ? | 20:28 |
| hap | konfoo: would be faster :] | 20:28 |
| hap | & you would upload it once | 20:28 |
| konfoo | im sure someone else will, i dont have the b/w to do that and seed this | 20:29 |
| hap | ok | 20:29 |
| konfoo | plus you cant point to usenet binaries from the vmware community appliance page | 20:29 |
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| hap | yeah, that's true. | 20:29 |
| konfoo | if you know a direct download place to host it let me know ;) | 20:29 |
| hap | how big is it ? | 20:29 |
| konfoo | 1gb | 20:29 |
| hap | hmm | 20:30 |
| hap | no way to compress it more ? | 20:30 |
| konfoo | no its already compressed with max lzma | 20:31 |
| hap | konfoo: i have a place to put it for few weeks if you wish, with a fast download bandwidth | 20:31 |
| hap | konfoo: want it ? | 20:32 |
| konfoo | sure ;) | 20:32 |
| hap | ok give me a min | 20:32 |
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| konfoo | hap: thanks ;) it will take a while to upload | 20:38 |
| hap | yeah i'm sure | 20:39 |
| hap | keep me in touch with a /query | 20:39 |
| wumpus | how big is it? | 20:39 |
| konfoo | ok will do | 20:39 |
| konfoo | around 1gb | 20:39 |
| wumpus | hmm to big to host on my university machine | 20:40 |
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| lasala | well great... my n800 reboots in an infinite loop | 20:45 |
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| lasala | i flashed the os and it still does it | 20:46 |
| nelson | I've had that problem on the N770, but only after writing to the filesystem. Unless it's been fixed in the N800 image, there's a filesystem corruption bug. | 20:49 |
| nelson | Once your filesystem is corrupted, you need to reflash, because the machine reboots after about a minute of runtime. | 20:49 |
| lasala | i have reflashed it a couple of times and still get the same problem | 20:50 |
| lasala | this really blows | 20:50 |
| nelson | What do you do after you reflash it? | 20:52 |
| nelson | Or does it start rebooting immediately after reflashing? | 20:52 |
| lasala | i do nothing for a couple of minutes... then unplug the usb cable and try turning it on | 20:54 |
| lasala | ok i got it to work ... had to add --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 20:56 |
| lasala | whatever this does | 20:56 |
| hap | konfoo: when do you think you'll upload it ? after the torrent ? | 20:56 |
| konfoo | yep | 20:56 |
| hap | ok, so it's will take _a while_ :) | 20:56 |
| hap | i'll leave my torrent open too, for seeding | 20:56 |
| konfoo | lol ;) | 20:57 |
| hap | konfoo: can you link to any file on the vmware image website ? | 20:57 |
| hap | or just torrents? | 20:57 |
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| nelson | koen: So ..... is the Neo193's bluetooth going to work as a modem for Internet Tablets? :-) | 21:03 |
| koen | nelson: I hope so :) | 21:03 |
| nelson | Or would it be more like an access point? | 21:03 |
| koen | although I wouldn't mind if it used PAN instead of DUN | 21:03 |
| nelson | cuz if it operates as a BT access point, then the Neo1973 and N800 could talk back and forth to each other. | 21:04 |
| nelson | (Everybody needs to be a walking network, y'see) | 21:04 |
| hap | anyone installed a dns tunnel system on his nokia, to get free wifi access anywhere? | 21:05 |
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| nelson | DNS tunnel?? I doubt that works in enough places to make it worthwhile. | 21:06 |
| c0ffee | ferulo, it deso btw :) | 21:06 |
| c0ffee | ehrm | 21:06 |
| ferulo | deso? | 21:06 |
| c0ffee | nelson, it works :) | 21:06 |
| c0ffee | ferulo, tab completion mistake | 21:06 |
| c0ffee | ferulo, but kiwi also works | 21:06 |
| ferulo | with the PYTHONPATH thing? or using python2.5 manual install? | 21:07 |
| nelson | I don't doubt that it works through some systems, but ..... all of them? Or enough of them? | 21:07 |
| c0ffee | something like fakeroot debian/rules DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION=2.5 binary | 21:07 |
| hap | nelson: it does work almost everywhere, you always have DNS turned on (I'm talking about pay-per-use wifi network) | 21:07 |
| c0ffee | i have it running on os2005 | 21:07 |
| c0ffee | (yes yes, there's even for the 770 a later os) | 21:08 |
| hap | nelson: starbuck, train stations, etc. | 21:08 |
| c0ffee | the nstx client that comes with debian should compile w/o modifications | 21:08 |
| hap | compukid: ok great to hear | 21:08 |
| hap | c0ffee: ok great to hear | 21:08 |
| c0ffee | and the itos kernel comes with tun/tap modules | 21:09 |
| hap | ok | 21:09 |
| hap | c0ffee: have you used it yourself on field ? :) | 21:09 |
| nelson | hap: I travel to India frequently. I'll see if DNS resolution works next time I'm there, but .... you realize the damage that DNS tunnelling would do to somebody's DNS cache? | 21:09 |
| c0ffee | on a regular basis, yes | 21:09 |
| hap | c0ffee: ok, sounds what I want then. | 21:09 |
| hap | nelson: honestly, I don't care | 21:09 |
| c0ffee | nelson, when i stay at a hotel, where i have to pay nearly 300$/night without breakfast | 21:09 |
| c0ffee | nelson, i don't see why i should care for their dns cache | 21:10 |
| hap | you bet... | 21:10 |
| hap | or phone companies who already rip everyone's ass, and ask for a 1E/minute 5K wifi connection ? | 21:10 |
| hap | naah... don't care at all for their dns cache :) | 21:10 |
| c0ffee | ferulo, works nearly :/ | 21:11 |
| c0ffee | cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/': No such file or directory | 21:11 |
| nelson | c0ffee: yeah, I know what you mean. | 21:11 |
| nelson | hap: yeah, but still, you're talking about screwing over everybody else. Sooner or later that will be noticed, and the hole shut down. | 21:11 |
| hap | nelson: no it won't be shut down. | 21:12 |
| hap | how would it be... | 21:12 |
| c0ffee | easy | 21:12 |
| c0ffee | and if they are to greedy to pay an IT guy to do it, they don't deserve bette | 21:13 |
| c0ffee | +r | 21:13 |
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| hap | they couldn't anyway, except maybe having a specific DNS _before_ authentication | 21:13 |
| c0ffee | koen is now known as kown|bragging | 21:13 |
| hap | that blocks everyone | 21:13 |
| hap | they're not that smart | 21:14 |
| koen|gprs | c0ffee: Koen|hugeLatency | 21:14 |
| c0ffee | :) | 21:15 |
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| jacques | is there a way totell how much battery is left on N800 from the command line? | 22:00 |
| nelson | It's almost certainly available via a file underneath /proc | 22:01 |
| nelson | But sorry, no, I don't know which one. | 22:01 |
| jacques | I looked, but saw nothing | 22:01 |
| jacques | I'm used to seeing stuff nuder /proc/acpi but not here | 22:01 |
| jacques | I looked under /sys too | 22:02 |
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| keesj | Hi have the feeling that some aread on my the screen are starting to respond less (the place where the icon is located to open the menu) . it there anything I can do to "fix" this? | 22:17 |
| keesj | area | 22:18 |
| c0ffee | 770 or 800? | 22:20 |
| keesj | 770 | 22:20 |
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| keesj | i heard the 800 screen was harder | 22:21 |
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| c0ffee | you can read out /dev/input/event2 or something to see whether it's really worse | 22:26 |
| c0ffee | it should report the pressure data there | 22:26 |
| c0ffee | that would allow you to verify your feeling at least | 22:28 |
| keesj | thanks , that looks like yet an other twoo week project, I will first try cleaning it | 22:30 |
| c0ffee | you can download the evdump utility | 22:30 |
| c0ffee | it compiles fine | 22:30 |
| s-ndh-c | jacques: i think the battery applet gets that info via dbus | 22:30 |
| keesj | s-ndh-c: I have tried my luck by typing lsof I have not idea if that means something but I saw no "battery" kinda open file | 22:32 |
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| s-ndh-c | as there doesnt seem to be anyway to get that from kernel interfaces they must be using dbus to distribute that info | 22:35 |
| s-ndh-c | cant think of another way | 22:35 |
| s-ndh-c | but i have no exp with dbus, so i didnt reveal anything usefull yet | 22:35 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 22:36 |
| keesj | first time I get real sound with my 770 flash audio streaming works http://hinchcliffeandcompany.com/screencasts/qedwiki.html | 22:36 |
| keesj | Jaffa: are you ready for the n800 party? | 22:39 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe one could look at the code of the battery applet thing, not sure if that is open or is part of the closed source parts | 22:39 |
| keesj | it runs as appet inside the desktop , did you search the mainling list , I know there has been discution about that before | 22:40 |
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| SyntaxNinja | so... gpe-calendar crashed my nokia n800 and put it into a reboot loop; where do I report such a bug? | 22:44 |
| keesj | c0ffee: where can I download evdump? | 22:44 |
| konfoo | did you guys see this 8gb sdhc card for $69 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820211148&ATT=20-211-148&CMP=OTC-Froogle | 22:45 |
| c0ffee | http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=evtest.*vojtech | 22:45 |
| keesj | thanks | 22:46 |
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| MDK | ferulo: ping | 23:02 |
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| ferulo | MDK: pong | 23:08 |
| MDK | ferulo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldominic/363791993/ | 23:09 |
| s-ndh-c | MDK: how was that done? | 23:10 |
| ferulo | MDK: wow! | 23:10 |
| ferulo | btw MDK , don't post prototipes pictures! :) | 23:10 |
| MDK | ferulo: I got that shit working and I know exactly what needs to be done | 23:10 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean i build the runtime for arm and copied the managed stuff from my x86 install | 23:10 |
| s-ndh-c | but i would like to have a package | 23:11 |
| MDK | ferulo: but I need help with packaging ;) | 23:11 |
| s-ndh-c | nt just coping the files over | 23:11 |
| ferulo | ok. I hope I can go tomorrow to the office | 23:11 |
| s-ndh-c | but i didnt manage to build a package yet | 23:11 |
| s-ndh-c | i never did debian packaging | 23:11 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 23:11 |
| MDK | packaging is one thing. Another is making the monovm a devkit | 23:11 |
| MDK | but that works smoothly | 23:12 |
| MDK | you can easily run the vm on i386 on the arm target and it'll work cool | 23:12 |
| MDK | the performance seems to be very good | 23:13 |
| MDK | starting this app takes just 3 secs, including loading the image | 23:13 |
| ferulo | MDK: how is the startup of gtk-sharp? | 23:13 |
| ferulo | mono-launcher! :) | 23:13 |
| tko | lol | 23:13 |
| ferulo | pygtk programs now are ~1sec | 23:13 |
| ferulo | but importing gst makes it 2.5sec thing :( | 23:13 |
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| tko | we just need to push all the launcher hacks into /sbin/init :) | 23:14 |
| ferulo | we should try those ld patches to make it faster :p | 23:14 |
| c0ffee | ferulo, getting the rules file to work is close to impossible | 23:25 |
| c0ffee | dh_python for example checks that the version is at most 2.4 | 23:26 |
| konfoo | mdk what is the mem usage like when running the mono vm? nice job btw :) | 23:28 |
| MDK | konfoo: Ive got some stats, but I'm not sure what to look at | 23:29 |
| MDK | btw, the core job of arm port was done by lupus, I just did the ugly part of compiling and figuring out all the bits ;) | 23:29 |
| MDK | konfoo: private memory is around 1.5mb | 23:30 |
| konfoo | wow not bad | 23:30 |
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| MDK | it would be totally freaky to run winforms on it ;) | 23:34 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah i think they draw allmost allstuf on foot with cairo or whatever, as winforms on msnet uses massive pinvoke to winapi stuff | 23:36 |
| tko | hmm, I once again realized maemo infrastructure is kind of lacking. every other project I can recall provides developers some uncomplicated web space for file sharing | 23:36 |
| c0ffee | doesn't garage come with ftp? | 23:37 |
| c0ffee | you could just make a world rw /pub | 23:37 |
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| hap | konfoo: pff, it will forever for the torrent :) | 23:39 |
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| |tbb| | everybody else got the problem that kismet everytime stop working after a few minutes sniffing? (on a n800) | 23:51 |
| s-ndh-c | can i just use --prefix during configure to create a package that installs into the mmc card? | 23:55 |
| s-ndh-c | have no space left on the internal flash | 23:55 |
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