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| Veggen | duh. think maemo mapper works. I just forgot to pair the N800 with the GPS. | 00:04 |
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| arnnnn | nokia gps kit doesn't have usa map, does it ? | 00:06 |
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| konfoo | im making a scratchbox vmware build.. anyone interested in it | 00:26 |
| konfoo | let me know and i will put it up for torrent | 00:26 |
| konfoo | for n800 dev.. | 00:26 |
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| Jaffa | konfoo: cool, I was thinking of doing something similar, but there's so much crap in my Ubuntu VMware player image I never got around to it. | 00:31 |
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| konfoo | Jaffa: nod, i am going for a stripped down barebones server + some essentials | 00:34 |
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| jtokash | konfoo, that would be excellent! | 00:42 |
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| skorianez | Hi | 00:44 |
| skorianez | Is there any one who can help a newbe setup scratchbox? | 00:45 |
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| wumpus | what's the problem skorianez ? | 00:48 |
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| skorianez | I setup everythink like in maemo.org | 00:49 |
| skorianez | but when I can switch from i386 to arm | 00:49 |
| skorianez | sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL | 00:49 |
| skorianez | I got this error: | 00:49 |
| wumpus | yep that's the line | 00:49 |
| skorianez | sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first | 00:49 |
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| skorianez | What I do | 00:50 |
| skorianez | ? | 00:50 |
| wumpus | you need to make sure nothing is running in scratchbox when you switch | 00:50 |
| skorianez | I loggoff scratchbox | 00:50 |
| skorianez | then login again , and same erro | 00:50 |
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| skorianez | wumpus, have any sugestions? | 00:52 |
| wumpus | I believe there was a command to kill everything running in the scratchbox, you might try that | 00:53 |
| wumpus | apart from that no idea :/ | 00:53 |
| skorianez | do you know such command? | 00:53 |
| skorianez | I am new in this | 00:53 |
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| skorianez | I find, :) sb-conf killall | 00:56 |
| * sp3001 slaps the browser for not emitting a resize event when focusing a textarea brings up the keys | 00:56 | |
| skorianez | now back to tutorial, thanks wumpus | 00:57 |
| sp3001 | whereas dismissing the keys does, and invoking the keys by touching the scrollbar when focus in textarea | 00:57 |
| |tbb| | minra, the hostname changed to the default name back, i wonder | 00:58 |
| minra | ah... interesting | 00:58 |
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| |tbb| | hmmh, or may its my fault ive not changed it at the file, i just typed hostname somehostname | 01:00 |
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| minra | i don't see hostname being a problem | 01:02 |
| |tbb| | i think its my fault | 01:04 |
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| skorianez | wumpus... still here? | 01:10 |
| wumpus | yeah | 01:10 |
| skorianez | now tha I in ARM can i use apt-get upgrade? | 01:11 |
| wumpus | yes | 01:11 |
| skorianez | can i install arms packges in my devel enviroment? | 01:11 |
| c0ffee | jhe, any news on the sco commands? :) | 01:12 |
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| wumpus | it's a cross compilation environment, so you need to install arm packages in the arm environment | 01:12 |
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| skorianez | I do a apt-get update, and get a lot off dependancy error | 01:13 |
| skorianez | with a do " apt-get install -f " it will remove a lot of think | 01:13 |
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| Molagi | what the hell is wrong with this day, nothing works | 01:19 |
| Molagi | im trying to install osso xterm | 01:20 |
| Molagi | and when i execute it comes error "internal error application "X Terminal" closed" | 01:20 |
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| Jaffa | Molagi: I've seen a few people report it. | 01:23 |
| Molagi | it worked yesterday | 01:23 |
| Molagi | after i reinstalled it now it doesnt work | 01:24 |
| Molagi | i formatted my n800 | 01:24 |
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| guerby | Molagi, Jan 11 01:01:16 <framerate2>"Internal Error" is my xterm error :( | 01:29 |
| Molagi | :( | 01:30 |
| Molagi | the app wont even open | 01:30 |
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| guerby | Molagi, I'm trying to find in my log framerat1|afk solution | 01:31 |
| jhe | c0ffee: not really, ville is aware of it but he had no definitive answer when I talked to him over google talk yesterday. he'll be back in finland next week though. | 01:32 |
| Molagi | ok | 01:33 |
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| guerby | Molagi, no luck I don't find anything indicating a solution | 01:35 |
| guerby | Molagi, there it is | 01:36 |
| guerby | # | 01:36 |
| guerby | FYI: There is another version of osso-xterm which is not compatible, if you are having difficulty installing osso-xterm: | 01:36 |
| guerby | * | 01:36 |
| guerby | Disable all other repositories except for repository.maemo.org | 01:36 |
| guerby | * | 01:36 |
| guerby | Refresh the package list | 01:36 |
| guerby | * | 01:36 |
| guerby | Look for osso-xterm without a stylized logo | 01:36 |
| guerby | Molagi, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications | 01:36 |
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| Molagi | ok | 01:38 |
| Molagi | does that one work? | 01:45 |
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| Molagi | THANK YOU! | 01:48 |
| Molagi | its workin | 01:48 |
| Molagi | <3 | 01:48 |
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| Molagi | hmm | 01:58 |
| Molagi | now irssi doenst work | 01:58 |
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| Molagi | NO WINDOWS: -!- Irssi: Invalid charset: CP1252 setupterm() failed for TERM=xterm: 0 Cant initialize screen handling, quitting you can still use the dummo mode with -d parameter | 02:00 |
| Molagi | what does that mean ;O | 02:00 |
| Jaffa | tzz: I don't think you're on mud-builder-users, so: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-January/000018.html | 02:01 |
| |tbb| | if i try to start visudo i became no editor found /usr/bin/editor | 02:02 |
| |tbb| | do i have to set a link to an editor? | 02:02 |
| kaatis | does "EDITOR=vi visudo" work | 02:03 |
| |tbb| | yeah perfect | 02:03 |
| |tbb| | hmmh | 02:03 |
| * |tbb| wonders how less he knows | 02:04 | |
| kaatis | default editor is propably set to /usr/bin/editor somewhere, which is missing | 02:05 |
| |tbb| | if installed leafpad, i was thinking then it might works but it wont work so | 02:05 |
| |tbb| | editor=leafpad also works :I | 02:06 |
| |tbb| | user all means all user or the user which name is user ? | 02:07 |
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| Molagi | hmm how do i create a new internet radio channel | 02:12 |
| * minra cant help anybody | 02:13 | |
| Veggen | Molagi: do you have the URL on a web page? | 02:13 |
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| Molagi | yeah | 02:13 |
| Molagi | where do i add it | 02:13 |
| Veggen | The easiest is to just clock on the URL. | 02:13 |
| Veggen | Then media player will open, and if you then clock and hold on the channel playing, you can save it. | 02:13 |
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| Molagi | oh yeah | 02:16 |
| Molagi | thx | 02:16 |
| Veggen | did it work? | 02:16 |
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| guerby | Molagi, happy to see xterm working for you :) | 02:16 |
| Molagi | yeah thx for the help | 02:17 |
| Molagi | now i need to figure how to get irssi working :D | 02:17 |
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| sxpert | hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bymmMarHclU | 02:20 |
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| gpd | Disconnect: any tips on keyboard configuration with N800? I can't find xmodmap or xev. | 03:08 |
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| gpd | hah! using my Bluetooth sierra with a PowerBook G4 - we'll see if that shed's any light on the matter. | 03:31 |
| gpd | not much - recognizes it as ANSI standard 101/102 keys | 03:33 |
| gpd | http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config.html | 03:34 |
| gpd | seems i'll have to RTFM unless daniels can assist | 03:34 |
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| gpd | http://hektor.umcs.lublin.pl/~mikosmul/computing/articles/custom-keyboard-layouts-xkb.html | 03:58 |
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| konfoo | hmm anyone know a good place to host the torrent for this vmware n800 dev image | 04:14 |
| konfoo | maybe vmware themselves :P | 04:14 |
| minra | www.linuxtorrents.com? | 04:16 |
| minra | is it a complete OS, with a scratchbox running inside it? or is it just the scratchbox somehow running 'natively' in vmware? | 04:17 |
| konfoo | no, complete os configged for scratchboxing | 04:18 |
| konfoo | ubuntu server + base gnome + devtools etc | 04:18 |
| minra | nice... how big? | 04:20 |
| konfoo | prolly around 300 megs when i get done compressing it | 04:20 |
| konfoo | still have to purge unneeded stuff like OO | 04:21 |
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| wumpus | hey putting only scratchbox in a vm sounds interesting too | 04:24 |
| wumpus | it would be a very good emulator | 04:24 |
| jtokash | konfoo, I'm really looking forward to it | 04:25 |
| konfoo | ill be done with it tomorrow sometime ;) | 04:25 |
| wumpus | yeah it at least gives an option to do maemo dev in windows | 04:25 |
| konfoo | exactly | 04:25 |
| Zer0Her0 | or macintel ;) | 04:26 |
| wumpus | :) | 04:26 |
| konfoo | im customizing it for source editing.. drpython, scite etc | 04:26 |
| konfoo | hesitant to integrate eclipse into it cause i dont know their redist policy | 04:26 |
| minra | come to think of it, ubuntu isnt such a bad choice for the host os since it is so easy to get around | 04:29 |
| wumpus | yeah ubuntu is nice and friendly | 04:30 |
| wumpus | I really like it as a linux distrib | 04:31 |
| konfoo | hassle-free | 04:31 |
| konfoo | lets you get on with doing actual work | 04:31 |
| konfoo | not dicking with having to configure stuff | 04:31 |
| jtokash | konfoo, I can host the image if you need it | 04:32 |
| konfoo | ok thanks. i can host as well, just not torrent | 04:32 |
| konfoo | not enough b/w ;) | 04:33 |
| jtokash | what's involved in hosting a torrent? | 04:33 |
| jtokash | oh, you'd have to run the torrent client on the server | 04:34 |
| konfoo | seeding it until there are enough seeds to take over | 04:34 |
| jtokash | hmmm | 04:34 |
| konfoo | nod | 04:34 |
| konfoo | i may give it a whirl | 04:34 |
| jtokash | I can be a seed | 04:34 |
| konfoo | great :) i will let u know | 04:35 |
| jtokash | my upstream at home isn't being used for anything | 04:35 |
| minra | http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php just been reading the eclipse EPL license legalise -- if you redistribute eclipse, you are a "contributor" and must distribute eclipse also under the EPL. but nowhere do i see them mention barriers to including eclipse in a distribution | 04:35 |
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| konfoo | minra: good to know | 04:37 |
| minra | since you are not charging money for 'derivative works' i don't see any violation.. but IANAL | 04:37 |
| konfoo | yeah me neither.. | 04:37 |
| minra | likewise, i see no grounds that bundling eclipse with other software would affect terms of redistribution | 04:38 |
| minra | additionally, the EPL allows a simple redistributor to do so anonymously | 04:39 |
| konfoo | ok great i will throw it on here then | 04:39 |
| konfoo | if anyone complains after the fact im sure an 'oh sorry my mistake' and rebundling will suffice | 04:39 |
| konfoo | if not they can talk to my lawyer | 04:40 |
| konfoo | (/dev/null) | 04:40 |
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| minra | i had to do some legal schooling a while back and man do i hate that stuff | 04:41 |
| konfoo | i did corporate law at the university and it was so very boring | 04:41 |
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| minra | rehi Tak | 05:06 |
| Tak|770 | howdy | 05:06 |
| minra | i hate the fact that it is so overgrown, complicated, micromanaging.. often ethically inconsistent | 05:06 |
| * minra takes it to #politics | 05:06 | |
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| Tak|770 | hmm - the first completion for 'we...' is 'weirdass' | 05:09 |
| konfoo | minra ;) | 05:10 |
| minra | hahaha | 05:13 |
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| Andy80 | Hi | 05:20 |
| Andy80 | I'm writing from n770! | 05:20 |
| Tak|770 | ditto | 05:21 |
| pahartik | Andy80: well done | 05:23 |
| Andy80 | Thanks! I've bought it just today :) | 05:25 |
| minra | it took about 3 weeks for me to stop being gigglyhappy about the 770 | 05:31 |
| Zer0Her0 | ah | 05:32 |
| Zer0Her0 | oops wrong window | 05:32 |
| Andy80 | eh eh | 05:33 |
| pahartik | minra: first three weeks I had to work on setting things up way I want | 05:36 |
| Tak|770 | I was writing and porting apps | 05:38 |
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| Tak|770 | going, 'Wow, this is cool!' the whole time | 05:39 |
| minra | that's what i said when i saw some of your work :) | 05:42 |
| Tak|770 | pff | 05:42 |
| minra | the emu capabilities are a bit of a bummer, but at least some of my xmame favorites work great | 05:43 |
| Tak|770 | have you played since the pixel doubling went in? | 05:44 |
| gpd | is there a way to svn co the whole of garage? or is it per project? | 05:45 |
| minra | yeah, made 1942 way mo bettuh | 05:46 |
| * Tak|770 shrugs | 05:46 | |
| minra | the vector games run nice cause iirc they dont redraw the whole screen | 05:47 |
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| Tak|770 | eh, the no-simultaneous-buttons thing makes games like 194[23] less playable than they could be | 05:48 |
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| minra | i dont notice any issues when using a bt keyboard | 05:50 |
| minra | but yeah, it does have drawbacks as an emu platform | 05:51 |
| Tak|770 | ah, the kb helps... | 05:51 |
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| minra | i even got some halfway decent scores in robotron | 05:51 |
| Tak|770 | cool | 05:52 |
| minra | are you going to try for a developer n800 kit? | 05:52 |
| Tak|770 | I'm hopeful | 05:52 |
| konfoo | there is that bluetooth gamepad... | 05:53 |
| konfoo | and ofcourse a wiimote | 05:53 |
| minra | well the stowaway rests fine on my lap, but where to put the 770... same issue would arise with the game pad | 05:54 |
| Tak|770 | I've got some experimental packages for bora... | 05:54 |
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| konfoo | i noticed a wii remote wont pair with the 800 cause the remote uses no passcode and the bora bt app wont let you not use a passcode :( | 05:55 |
| Tak|770 | doesn't the stowaway have a stand for a device? | 05:55 |
| minra | i just get the feeling someone at nokia said "we don't want people to play games on this" | 05:55 |
| konfoo | minra you got it.. | 05:55 |
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| konfoo | the will of the people! however.. | 05:55 |
| minra | it does, but the stand extends beyond the keyboard and the weight of the 770 pushes it down between your legs, so you really need a flat surface | 05:55 |
| Tak|770 | heh, like 50% of the apps on garage are games | 05:56 |
| konfoo | you guys ever play lemonade stand on pocketpc? those types of games would work perfectly | 05:57 |
| konfoo | sorry lemonade tycoon | 05:57 |
| minra | hmm, i think one could make the directional pad more responsive by attaching bumps to the 4 directions, so the thumb can quickly hit them without activating the center button | 05:57 |
| minra | true | 05:57 |
| minra | im going to attach those self-adhesive little anti-slip rubber things to each side and see how those work out | 05:58 |
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| Tak|770 | I would think they'd make it stick to the cover or one's pocket | 05:59 |
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| gpd | ooh -- finally got maemochron working on N800 | 06:12 |
| gpd | hmm... except it doesn't seem to make any noise | 06:13 |
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| oknewbie | This may not be the right place. Does anyone know if IT2007 will be available for the 770 as well? | 06:16 |
| gpd | oknewbie: see topic | 06:16 |
| minra | right the cover wont fit anymore.. but the top of the rubber pad isnt sticky | 06:17 |
| minra | it doesnt help as much as id hoped | 06:17 |
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| gpd | http://tinyurl.com/yf2xhh | 06:18 |
| gpd | ^ oknewbie | 06:18 |
| oknewbie | okay thanx | 06:18 |
| Tak|770 | gpd: lack of esd? | 06:19 |
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| oknewbie | Last question will the maemo developer try to work on bug fixes for the 770's OS or as end users are we being dumped (Not trying to sound rude) | 06:34 |
| oknewbie | Just trying to plan my next purchase | 06:35 |
| oknewbie | Anyway I have used a lot of the software you all have provided and it has been great thank you very much | 06:37 |
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| konfoo | woot broken 800 returned and replaced by compusa | 06:54 |
| * konfoo still in shock | 06:54 | |
| gpd | 'broken' ? | 06:55 |
| konfoo | bad card reader | 06:55 |
| gpd | why the shock? | 06:55 |
| gpd | i thought you meant you dropped it or something | 06:56 |
| konfoo | the shock that it went without issue at compusa | 06:56 |
| gpd | so you weren't tempted to exchange it for Windows Vista then... | 06:56 |
| konfoo | window what now? | 06:56 |
| konfoo | :) | 06:57 |
| gpd | http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/01/19/decisions-decisions/ | 06:57 |
| konfoo | haha | 06:57 |
| konfoo | brilliant | 06:57 |
| konfoo | yet true | 06:57 |
| gpd | 'one heckuva OS' - I don't think I could even say that tongue in cheek | 06:58 |
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| konfoo | well you know how the microsofties get about their new os releases :) | 06:59 |
| arnnn | suddenly just now when I tried to open my .txt file it says 'internal error, application closed', what's wrong with my n800 ? | 06:59 |
| arnnn | internal error. Application 'Notes' closed | 07:00 |
| gpd | arnnn: all .txt files? after reboot? only on card? | 07:00 |
| arnnn | gpd, yes all .txt files | 07:01 |
| arnnn | gpd, after startup | 07:01 |
| arnnn | gpd, they are on card | 07:01 |
| arnnn | gpd, I don't store anything on n800, everything is on card | 07:01 |
| gpd | did you try on n800? you may have a corrupt card? | 07:01 |
| arnnn | gpd, I have .pdf files in the card, and they open fine | 07:01 |
| gpd | otherwise no idea... :( | 07:02 |
| gpd | can you load notes without a file? | 07:02 |
| arnnn | gpd, I can't even open notes | 07:02 |
| gpd | hmm | 07:02 |
| arnnn | gpd, nope | 07:02 |
| gpd | did you apt-get update or anything? | 07:02 |
| arnnn | gpd, nope, I didn't even have xterm | 07:02 |
| arnnn | I don't even have xterm | 07:03 |
| * gpd scratches head | 07:03 | |
| arnnn | I'm also charging right now, by the way | 07:03 |
| soleman | weee.. | 07:08 |
| soleman | I got my n800 to go into the reboot loop less than 3 hours after I got it lol | 07:09 |
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| minra | heh... does the n800 have a robust way of reflashing a borked OS? | 07:13 |
| arnnn | should I reflash my n800 to fix notes ? | 07:21 |
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| arnnn | so in order to reflash, I need to have xterm ? | 07:23 |
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| arnnn | do I need a linux pc connected to nokia n800 to reflash ? | 07:27 |
| gpd | linux or windows iirc | 07:27 |
| arnnn | the battery doesn't need to be full charged in order to reflash, right ? | 07:30 |
| arnnn | PC: Execute as root (or as a normal user with rights to use the USB port): what does that mean ? | 07:35 |
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| arnnn | should I see some prints out while reflashing ? | 08:08 |
| arnnn | this is what happen right now | 08:08 |
| arnnn | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 08:08 |
| arnnn | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 008 | 08:08 |
| arnnn | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | 08:08 |
| arnnn | NOLO version 1.1.2 | 08:08 |
| arnnn | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 08:08 |
| arnnn | root@1[knoppix]# | 08:08 |
| arnnn | and the n800 is showing white screen with Nokia symbol | 08:08 |
| arnnn | and there is usb symbol at the top right of the n800 screen | 08:09 |
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| arnnn | I tried to reflash | 08:17 |
| arnnn | but I always stop at this point | 08:17 |
| arnnn | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 08:17 |
| arnnn | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 008 | 08:17 |
| arnnn | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | 08:17 |
| arnnn | NOLO version 1.1.2 | 08:17 |
| arnnn | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 08:17 |
| arnnn | root@1[knoppix]# | 08:17 |
| arnnn | it doesn't do anything further after Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 08:17 |
| minra | do you turn-on the device after connecting? | 08:18 |
| arnnn | minra, yes | 08:18 |
| arnnn | and n800 screen show white screen with nokia symbol | 08:18 |
| arnnn | and there is usb symbol at the top right of the screen | 08:18 |
| minra | dunno... what is the command you use to invoke flasher? | 08:18 |
| arnnn | root@1[knoppix]# /home/knoppix/Desktop/flasher-3.0 RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 08:18 |
| arnnn | flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) | 08:18 |
| arnnn | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 08:18 |
| arnnn | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 015 | 08:19 |
| arnnn | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | 08:19 |
| arnnn | NOLO version 1.1.2 | 08:19 |
| arnnn | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 08:19 |
| arnnn | root@1[knoppix]# | 08:19 |
| arnnn | that's what happen... | 08:19 |
| cesman | anyone know if it is possible to disable wireless on the n800? | 08:27 |
| cesman | it would be great to be able to use it on a plane... | 08:27 |
| obra | it is. | 08:31 |
| obra | click the power button and pick 'offline mode' | 08:31 |
| cesman | ah, ok | 08:31 |
| cesman | reading the nokie docs. it stated that one should use the n800 on a plane | 08:32 |
| arnnn | can I insert sd card while n800 is on ? | 08:32 |
| cesman | yes | 08:33 |
| arnnn | thank you | 08:36 |
| arnnn | I'm rebooting back to windows now | 08:37 |
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| minra | not surprisingly | 08:37 |
| konfoo | cesman: change connect automatically to none in control panel connectivity options? | 08:51 |
| jtokash | This is very interesting (saw it posted on ringnokia). Check out the flash demo. http://free.tengo.net/ | 08:58 |
| konfoo | oh yeah i remember this.. there are some reviews on osnews | 08:59 |
| konfoo | prolly have to search the archives.. couple mo ago | 08:59 |
| konfoo | they had some links to alternate input layouts as well | 09:00 |
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| konfoo | phew finally got the vm working with xephyr and 3.0 | 09:44 |
| konfoo | Knowledge_: bedtime | 09:44 |
| konfoo | err | 09:44 |
| konfoo | NOE | 09:45 |
| konfoo | s/e/w | 09:45 |
| jtokash | konfoo, great news! | 09:46 |
| jtokash | *that's great news | 09:47 |
| konfoo | nod ;) | 09:47 |
| jtokash | does that mean it's ready for download? | 09:47 |
| konfoo | yeah i just need to compress the image and shrink the virtual disks in the AM | 09:49 |
| konfoo | ill put it up for a few people to test before i release it | 09:50 |
| jtokash | cool | 09:50 |
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| Jaffa | konfoo: is it Maemo 2.1 or 3.0 based? | 09:55 |
| Jaffa | (Eclipse's licence is fully open source and redistributable btw) | 09:55 |
| jtokash | Jaffa, it's 3.0 based | 09:57 |
| Jaffa | Ta. | 09:58 |
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| jtokash | what's the best howto to use for getting up and running for maemo 3.0 dev on ubuntu? | 10:02 |
| konfoo | the readme that comes with the sdk | 10:02 |
| konfoo | and google searches ;) | 10:02 |
| konfoo | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt | 10:02 |
| jtokash | I tried this morning, but ran into a bunch of error messages that were probably related to the fact that I was hopping around between different docs | 10:02 |
| konfoo | yeah you want to use apophis r4 scratchbox | 10:03 |
| konfoo | most of the 'howtos' refer to the older version | 10:03 |
| jtokash | cool, that helps | 10:04 |
| jtokash | did you do cpu transparency on your image? | 10:06 |
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| konfoo | not yet.. there are like zero docs on that. im going to back this up then attempt to add that :) | 10:09 |
| konfoo | zero for 3.0/800 specific that is | 10:10 |
| kulve | cpu transp. with qemu is pretty easy | 10:10 |
| kulve | doesn't that maemo-sdk-installer set it up automatically? | 10:10 |
| konfoo | could be the 3.0 version does | 10:11 |
| konfoo | so far ive just checked the envs, packages, and xephyr connectivity and that all works fine | 10:11 |
| kulve | yeah, the 3.0. There were not installer scripts for earlier SKDs | 10:11 |
| konfoo | nod | 10:11 |
| kulve | s,not,no, | 10:12 |
| konfoo | --cputransp=qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 yep its in there | 10:13 |
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| jtokash | konfoo, when it says apt-get install <packages>, what packages should I install? | 10:33 |
| jtokash | I tried some of the deb file names mentioned in install.txt, but no dice | 10:33 |
| konfoo | add the apt repo, and pick the packages listed via cmdline after apt update, or using something like synaptic | 10:34 |
| konfoo | http://scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html | 10:35 |
| kulve | my sources.list after the installer: | 10:38 |
| kulve | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 10:38 |
| kulve | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 10:38 |
| kulve | deb file:/home/kulve/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0 bora explicit | 10:38 |
| kulve | the binaries repo is made by the binary-installer, which installs about 75 binary-only packages per arch | 10:38 |
| kulve | actually it only creates the repo and the packages must be installed with "apt-get install maemo-explicit" or something | 10:39 |
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| * Jaffa promises he did not bribe keesj to say https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-January/000020.html :-D | 10:44 | |
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| jtokash | thanks konfoo | 10:53 |
| jtokash | and kulve | 10:53 |
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| jtokash | synaptic is much nicer than apt-get | 11:01 |
| keesj | :p | 11:03 |
| keesj | Jaffa, perhaps I should have sent it to the developers mailing list | 11:11 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:12 |
| keesj | hi | 11:15 |
| guerby | hi, anyone with a stoaway sierra bluetooth keyboard and N800? it looks like the Fn key is mapped to the menu button by default, any way to change this? | 11:22 |
| MDK | shouldn't be mapped to menu button | 11:26 |
| MDK | at least it's not when using the su-8w keyboad | 11:28 |
| p13 | i've got a stowaway and it's not mapped to menu on my 770 | 11:32 |
| c0ffee | moin | 11:33 |
| p13 | i'd very much like alt+tab app switching | 11:33 |
| p13 | i remeber a previous version of the bt plugin had it mapped that way | 11:33 |
| p13 | i should see if i can add shortcuts to an rc somewhere | 11:33 |
| p13 | btw morning c0ffee | 11:35 |
| p13 | bbl | 11:35 |
| mgedmin | p13: the maemo wiki has the instructions for that | 11:39 |
| mgedmin | the shortcuts can be defined in ~/.matchbox/somefilenamethatIforgot | 11:39 |
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| roope | http://reviews.cnet.com/Nokia_N800_Internet_Tablet/4514-3126_7-32309517.html | 11:52 |
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| mgedmin | hahahhaa | 11:56 |
| guerby | p13, I don't use the bt pluggin on the N800. I didn't try the same kbd on my N770, will do | 11:56 |
| mgedmin | I clicked on that url and saw the window title: | 11:56 |
| guerby | mgedmin, thx I'll try to find that | 11:56 |
| mgedmin | "Nokia N800 Internet Tablet printer friendly version" | 11:56 |
| mgedmin | "does it have a parallel port then", I wondered | 11:57 |
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| mgedmin | "relies on the presumption that you have Wi-Fi access" ??? ever heard of Bluetooth and EDGE, folks? | 11:58 |
| p13 | that's super expensive | 11:58 |
| sxpert | mgedmin, even more than that | 11:58 |
| p13 | AND you'll need a bt enabled phone | 11:58 |
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| mgedmin | I can get flat-rate EDGE access for about $30 per month | 11:59 |
| p13 | you don't think that's a lot of money for occasional browsing at 14.4kbps ? | 12:00 |
| mgedmin | granted, that's only if you buy it for 12 months | 12:00 |
| mgedmin | EDGE is more than 14.4kbps | 12:00 |
| p13 | and even then there are bound to be quotas | 12:00 |
| mgedmin | I occasionally see 20 kbytes per second | 12:00 |
| mgedmin | there are no quotas, but the terms of usage say "no downloading video or music" | 12:00 |
| mgedmin | it is enough for an occasional svn up/svn commit or web browsing | 12:01 |
| p13 | i think it's too expensive for occasional use | 12:01 |
| p13 | if you are a hardcore traveller, then yes i'd say great | 12:01 |
| p13 | even then it's expensive | 12:01 |
| mgedmin | and, actually, my company pays my phone bill :) | 12:01 |
| koen | "Removable storage type-- None" | 12:02 |
| koen | typical cnet cluelesness | 12:02 |
| p13 | heh | 12:02 |
| p13 | maybe they were looking for a harddrive rack ? | 12:02 |
| koen | going on about the missing spring in the sd slot and all | 12:02 |
| p13 | so you have to pry it out ? | 12:02 |
| koen | according to cnet it isn't removable at all :) | 12:03 |
| jtokash | The 770 canola repository has been down for the past several hours. Does anyone know if there is a backup repo that can be used? | 12:03 |
| mgedmin | heh, buy a N800 on amazon com for $399 and save $0.99! | 12:06 |
| mgedmin | what a bargain | 12:06 |
| mgedmin | or you can buy a used one and save $1.99! | 12:07 |
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| guerby | mgedmin, this is http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard I'm reading... | 12:18 |
| mgedmin | yes, that's what I had in mind | 12:18 |
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| guerby | mgedmin, nothing I tried worked. I'll open a bugzilla | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | eh? | 12:35 |
| mgedmin | are you talking about Alt-Tab window switching? | 12:35 |
| mgedmin | I set up a config file like the one in the wiki, told matchbox to reload its configuration, and I could switch apps with Alt-tab on my usb keyboard | 12:35 |
| guerby | mgedmin, I tried | 12:39 |
| guerby | <Alt>k=!maemo-gtk-im-switch xim | 12:39 |
| guerby | <Alt>v=!maemo-gtk-im-switch osso-input-method | 12:39 |
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| guerby | no effect, what is your line for alt-tab ? | 12:39 |
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| mgedmin | just a sec... | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | <Alt>Tab=next | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | of course | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | did you run matchbox-remote -k ? | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | after changing ~/.matchbox/kbdconfig ? | 12:42 |
| guerby | mgedmin, yep, the alt-tab works but not the two alt--k/v ... | 12:43 |
| mgedmin | these worked for me | 12:43 |
| mgedmin | once I disconnected my USB keyboard with maemo-gtk-im switched to xim... | 12:43 |
| guerby | mgedmin, even in command line gtk-im-switch does not work | 12:44 |
| guerby | probably something is disabled when the bt kbd is paired | 12:44 |
| mgedmin | do you have a 770 or n800? | 12:44 |
| guerby | mgedmin, both but here I play with N800 | 12:44 |
| mgedmin | mine is a 770 | 12:45 |
| mgedmin | I would not be surprised if N800 automatically switches to xim when you connect the bt keyboard | 12:45 |
| guerby | mgedmin, I'll try all that on my 770 at some point :) | 12:45 |
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| Veggen | hmm. know what I'd really like? Disable instead of delete in the handwriting recognition. | 13:16 |
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| Veggen | duh. | 13:20 |
| Veggen | that's the way it works. | 13:20 |
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| mokki | is there any reason to not format the mmc2 card using jffs2? | 14:01 |
| c0ffee | is there any reason to do so? | 14:02 |
| c0ffee | i mean, if it does wear balancing itself | 14:02 |
| mokki | vfat does not support any unix filesystem rights. I was planning to create user accounts for my friends so they can also try to develop/test their programs on the device | 14:03 |
| mgedmin | reason to not format the mmc card as something other than fat is that most devices that take mmc cards expect them to be fat | 14:03 |
| mgedmin | if you do not intend to use the card elsewhere, feel free | 14:03 |
| mgedmin | but I am not sure you can use jffs2 | 14:03 |
| mokki | the root device seems to be jffs2 so it should be in the kernel already | 14:04 |
| mgedmin | jffs only works on MTD devices; is the mmc card one? | 14:04 |
| mokki | hmm. that I do not know | 14:04 |
| mgedmin | you could use ext2 | 14:04 |
| c0ffee | or the beloved umsdos | 14:04 |
| koen | memory card are blockdevices | 14:06 |
| koen | cards* | 14:07 |
| koen | with the exception of xD cards, that can be used as raw NAND chips | 14:07 |
| c0ffee | you can use jffs2 on blockdevices | 14:07 |
| c0ffee | it's just a little clumsy | 14:07 |
| koen | c0ffee: no | 14:07 |
| koen | wedging in an emulation layer doesn't count as using | 14:08 |
| c0ffee | :) | 14:08 |
| mokki | ok, so no need for jffs2. cat /proc/filesystems reveals that ext2 is not supported in the default kernel | 14:09 |
| c0ffee | not? | 14:10 |
| mgedmin | I think you can find ext2.ko somewhere under /initfs ...? | 14:10 |
| mokki | so I can either: 1) partition the mmc card and give each user a separate partition to play in or 2) build a kernel module for ext2 | 14:10 |
| mokki | ah. I'll check | 14:10 |
| mokki | /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ext2.ko | 14:10 |
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| trenka | sbaturzio: I would ban idiots with away message | 14:40 |
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| Andy80 | Hi | 15:01 |
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| guerby | any xkb expert around? | 15:01 |
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| mgedmin | do those exist in this universe? | 15:04 |
| * mgedmin once spend a few days reading all the available documentation on xkb, but doesn't consider himself to be an expert | 15:04 | |
| guerby | mgedmin, eh eh :) I'm beginning to read xkb doc, but so far no idea on what file to change and what tool to run | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | well, what is your goal? | 15:06 |
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| guerby | mgedmin, configure Fn key of the sierra keyboard so that it matches on N800 | 15:08 |
| mgedmin | most keyboards I've seen treat Fn as a very special key | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | well, okay, that was on IBM thinkpads | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | and the hardware handled all the Fn+x combinations | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | anyway | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | you want to figure out what keycode the Fn key sends (xev is useful) | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | then... | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | well, "so that it maches" is a vague description | 15:10 |
| guerby | mgedmin, I've sent an email to maemo-dev | 15:10 |
| guerby | with the keycodes | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | does the X server on the N800 even have the XKB extension? | 15:10 |
| guerby | mgedmin, match mean the blue symbol on each key is what N800 understands | 15:11 |
| guerby | mgedmin, from 8Jan IRC comments yes (and the files are there on my N800) | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | http://pascal.tsu.ru/en/xkb/ is the canonical place to read about XKB | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | xmodmap is usually easier, but somewhat less capable | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | if you decide to go the xkb route, you may want to create a new file in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols | 15:17 |
| guerby | mgedmin, thx. I also found http://hektor.umcs.lublin.pl/~mikosmul/computing/articles/custom-keyboard-layouts-xkb.html | 15:18 |
| guerby | mgedmin, on N800 stuff is in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols | 15:18 |
| mgedmin | thanks for the link | 15:19 |
| mgedmin | that article also links to http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/, which I've seen before but haven't read, I think | 15:19 |
| guerby | mgedmin, yep | 15:20 |
| guerby | Usage: hwkbd-reconfig [OPTION] | 15:23 |
| guerby | --set-rate [DELAY] [INTERVAL] Set the keyboard repeat | 15:23 |
| guerby | --set-layout [MODEL] [LAYOUT] Set the active layout | 15:23 |
| guerby | --get-layout Show the active layout | 15:23 |
| guerby | --get-devices List all the input devices | 15:23 |
| guerby | interesting | 15:23 |
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| tbb | for what is that xkb only for hardware keyboards or can i customize also the software kb? | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | I am pretty sure xkb configuration will not affect the on-screen virtual keyboard | 15:39 |
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| guerby | mgedmin, I believe on screen is described in .vkb files in usr/share/keyboards | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | yes it is | 15:40 |
| tbb | mgedmin is it possible to create custom keys | 15:40 |
| guerby | mgedmin, no idea on how to change those files (editor?) | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | the vkb files are produced by gen_vkb utility that's installed in your scratchbox | 15:41 |
| tbb | i need a ctrl key :) | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | the source for that utility is an xml file | 15:41 |
| guerby | mgedmin, I've no scratchbox :) | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | the format of the xml is described (somewhat incompletely) in maemo 3.0 api docs | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | the XML sources for all the standard VKB files are not available and will not be available | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | because *gasp* someone other than Nokia would then suddenly able to produce competing tablets!!!!!1! | 15:42 |
| * mgedmin hates all lawyers | 15:42 | |
| tbb | so theres no way right? | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | tbb: 'ctrl' key would be difficult to implements | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | you cannot define one in the .vkb file | 15:43 |
| guerby | tbb, vncviewer has a special menu where you can press the ctrl key | 15:43 |
| tbb | i hate it on xterm go over the menue send ctrl key | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | yeah, xterm's method sucks | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | I wish xterm had something like vncviewer | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | but I hate to take away two or three good lines of text just to add a toolbar | 15:44 |
| * keesj just discovered how many libs are available to python ( on the pc that is ) | 15:47 | |
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| wumpus | are there any sources that use the dsp stuff in /sys/devices/platform/dsp ? | 15:52 |
| wumpus | I found the dsp gateway spec for linux/omap but no examples yet | 15:52 |
| Andy80 | Where can I find libenca0 ? | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | Andy80: FBReader's repository has it | 15:54 |
| Andy80 | I added it but if i try to install fbreader it tells me it cannot find that lib | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/maemo/pool/user/e/enca/libenca0_1.9-3_armel.deb still exists | 15:57 |
| tbb | any one else got this, if the n800 goes to dimmed mode, it blinks a little bit ? | 15:58 |
| Andy80 | Yes but catalog gives me that error anyway | 15:58 |
| keesj | is the n800 still 16 bpp? | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | afaik yes | 16:01 |
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| kulve | tbb: do you have the charger connected? | 16:11 |
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| tbb | yes | 16:12 |
| kulve | wumpus: http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/index.php | 16:12 |
| kulve | tbb: so yes, it's not only your device that blinks when dimmed and connected to charger | 16:13 |
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| Andy80 | When the usb cable is connected, is the battery recharged? | 16:15 |
| desrt | no. | 16:16 |
| Andy80 | Ok thanks | 16:16 |
| wumpus | thanks kulve | 16:17 |
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| Andy80 | I've 2.2006.39-14 version of os. Is this mistral or scirocco? | 16:21 |
| kulve | scirocco I think | 16:23 |
| Andy80 | Thanks again | 16:25 |
| Andy80 | :) | 16:27 |
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| kulve | Andy80: actually I'm not sure.. | 16:28 |
| kulve | http://www.maemo.org/#date_14112006 | 16:28 |
| kulve | check from there | 16:29 |
| Andy80 | Ok | 16:29 |
| Molagi | hmm is it possible to get bigger text in xchat | 16:33 |
| Molagi | its so small i can hardly read i | 16:33 |
| Molagi | t | 16:33 |
| Andy80 | Yes | 16:34 |
| Andy80 | From menu, settings, preferences | 16:34 |
| Molagi | ok | 16:34 |
| Andy80 | I set it to 12 :) | 16:35 |
| Molagi | is it able to change the color also? | 16:36 |
| tbb | what is the max cap. for rsmmc card for n800 | 16:40 |
| glass | 2g? | 16:40 |
| tbb | and the other card holder | 16:40 |
| kulve | 2g is the official limit I think | 16:40 |
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| kulve | tbb: and they are both full sized | 16:45 |
| tbb | oh usefull thread | 16:46 |
| tbb | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3895 | 16:46 |
| Andy80 | How can I set the catalog to install apps on mmc and not n770 memory? | 16:47 |
| kulve | Andy80: do you have a whole repo on the mmc or just a single deb? | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | I think he wants to install apps *into* the mmc card | 16:48 |
| kulve | oh | 16:48 |
| Andy80 | Uhm? Yes mgedmin | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | it is possible to do, but I would not recommend it | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | actually, possible might be too strong a word... | 16:49 |
| Andy80 | but... So the mmc what is used for? | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | data | 16:49 |
| kulve | mp3 | 16:49 |
| kulve | movies | 16:49 |
| Andy80 | Ahhhh... | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | pictures, music, e-books, movies | 16:49 |
| Andy80 | Understand.... | 16:49 |
| Andy80 | On usual nokia phone it's possible | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | Ok, it doesn't matter then... | 16:51 |
| kulve | I think the 256M flash is quite much for the apps | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | n770 is not a usual phone :) | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | kulve: the 770 has ~64 megs free in / | 16:51 |
| Andy80 | The 770 has not 256...it has 128 | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | I've nearly run out | 16:51 |
| kulve | mgedmin: yep | 16:51 |
| Andy80 | Even less :p | 16:51 |
| Andy80 | At least I can use mmc for swap file | 16:53 |
| Andy80 | Is it possible to auto-download the list of shoutcast radio? | 16:58 |
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| * Zer0Her0_ wonders if the guy working on the vmware image is done by any chance | 17:56 | |
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| konfoo | zero: almost :) | 18:12 |
| konfoo | im adding eclipse and pydev to it now | 18:12 |
| Zer0Her0_ | sweet. | 18:16 |
| Zer0Her0_ | i couldn't remember your name, knew it started with k. heh | 18:16 |
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| Zmanu | hello | 19:16 |
| Zmanu | how can i know what release i got in my 770 ? | 19:16 |
| Zmanu | because i try to install osso-xterm, i get .deb and try to install it, but i have an error | 19:17 |
| Zmanu | "not possible to install this application" nothing more | 19:17 |
| dottedmag | Zmanu: control panel -> device -> about product -> version | 19:21 |
| Zmanu | dottedmag: thanks | 19:24 |
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| arnnn | has anyone managed to install evince on n800? | 19:24 |
| Zmanu | i have install aircrack to test it, but how can i run it ? with xterm but i can't install osso-xterm on it | 19:26 |
| Zmanu | is someone have a solution :) | 19:26 |
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| Zmanu | s/is/if | 19:26 |
| * mgedmin does not have an n800 (yet) | 19:27 | |
| dottedmag | Zmanu: just install xterm from the maemo-hackers repository. | 19:27 |
| Zmanu | doesn't work | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | Zmanu: if you open the log from the Tools menu in the app installer, does it tell you why it couldn't install xterm? | 19:27 |
| gpd | apparently the maemo-hackers xterm is 'not so good' | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | works for me *shrug* | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | starts up the term in ~, which is why I use it | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | doesn't run my .profile :( | 19:29 |
| gpd | is .profile the place to put alias stuff? | 19:30 |
| gpd | is ash 'Almquist Shell' - I can't find a manual | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | ash is one of the utilities provided by busybox | 19:31 |
| gpd | ah -- it all becomes clear! | 19:32 |
| keesj | gpd, I have it in .baserc | 19:32 |
| keesj | [sbox-SDK_PC: ~] > cat .bashrc | 19:32 |
| keesj | unalias ls | 19:32 |
| keesj | export DISPLAY=:2 | 19:32 |
| Zmanu | i don't have wifi yet, and i get this in log it don't find file http://catalogue.tableeter.nokia.com mistral/user/ Packages[/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_mistrazl_user_binary_armel_Packages] | 19:32 |
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| gpd | keesj: i tried .bashrc on the N800 - but no joy so far -- does it work for you outside the scratchbox? | 19:45 |
| gpd | also - any idea how to source a file like that? . .bashrc doesn't work and neither does source .bashrc | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | source ~/.bashrc | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | ash's source looks in $PATH rather than in . | 19:47 |
| arnnn | I wonder why doesn't nokia provide xterm from the start... | 19:47 |
| mgedmin | also, it would be misleading to name your file .bashrc, if you intend to use it from ash | 19:48 |
| gpd | mgedmin: so what gets run on login? | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | arnnn: because they target mass-consumers rather than geeks? | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | gpd: you get a login prompt on your 770? :) | 19:48 |
| dottedmag | mmm. /me strace'd ash. It does not look to read any rc-file | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | there's /etc/profile | 19:48 |
| gpd | ok source ~/.bashrc works :) | 19:49 |
| arnnn | mgedmin, but isn't nokia want to have a lot of open source developer build application for them? | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | if I create a ~/.profile, it is run when I ssh into it | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | arnnn: open source developers are usually capable of installing xterm all by themselves | 19:49 |
| gpd | mgedmin: great -- all working now - thanks | 19:49 |
| * dottedmag was wrong. ash --login reads '.profile' | 19:50 | |
| arnnn | mgedmin, it be nice to have nokia help by providing xterm at least | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | arnnn: xterm is provided in repository.maemo.org | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | so in theory all you need to do is add that repository in your app manager and then install xterm | 19:50 |
| gpd | arnnn: if you enable the 'red pill' you can install it from application manager with no changes to N800 | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | you do not need to enable red pill mode to install xterm! | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | at least I didn't | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | you do need red pill if you want to install openssh | 19:51 |
| arnnn | mgedmin, so the xterm on repository.maemo.org work for n800 ? | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | that's a very good question | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | I do not know | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | I have heard that various people had various problems with some version of xterm, but I wasn't following that quickly | 19:52 |
| gpd | the one i installed from repository.maemo.org works fine - the rumour is that the upgrade to the hackers one is busted | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | if there's an xterm in repository.maemo.org's 'bora' distribution, and it doesn't work, then Boo! to nokia | 19:52 |
| arnnn | gpd, which one do you have ? the one from repository or the hacker's ? | 19:53 |
| inz | The maemo-hackers version has some minor annoyances. | 19:56 |
| arnnn | inz, the one from repository work fine ? | 19:56 |
| inz | arnnn, yeah | 19:56 |
| inz | I've yet to solve the im issues in N800/bora | 19:58 |
| inz | But it works mostly | 19:58 |
| arnnn | what's im ? | 19:58 |
| inz | input method | 19:58 |
| arnnn | what's the problem with input method ? | 19:59 |
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| arnnn | is it possible to make n800 screen to 'never auto dim out' ? | 20:16 |
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| inz | arnnn, probably /system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout | 20:24 |
| inz | arnnn, you also should change the display_blank_timeout | 20:25 |
| inz | If 0 doesn't seem to work, make the value big 'nuff | 20:25 |
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| arnnn | inz, so it's gconftool -t int -s /system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout 9999 | 20:25 |
| inz | and the same for _blank_ | 20:26 |
| arnnn | oh ok | 20:26 |
| arnnn | thanks I will try that | 20:27 |
| inz | 9999 is less than 3 hours, so if that's too short, you can make it bigger | 20:27 |
| inz | The limit is probably about 2^31-1 | 20:27 |
| arnnn | ok | 20:27 |
| inz | IIRC gconf uses signed 32 bit integers | 20:27 |
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| gpd | hmm.. this key repeat stuff is starting to get annoying on the BT sierra :( | 20:30 |
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| Disconnect | gpd: happens on the stowaway too, its a maemo problem | 20:30 |
| Disconnect | SOMETIMES its a keyboard problem (batteries going flat seems to cause it also, and it did it on the 770) but it happens to me all the time - kb too close, kb too far, etc | 20:31 |
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| gpd | Disconnect: yes - because it doesn't happen when i pair to this Mac laptop. | 20:31 |
| Disconnect | exactly - i paired to my g5 rather than a laptop, but same test :) | 20:31 |
| Disconnect | used it for a couple of days | 20:32 |
| konfoo | anyone know where the lock file resides for scratchbox? | 20:32 |
| konfoo | is it in /tmp? | 20:32 |
| gpd | Disconnect: do you also experience the ability to type faster that the screen update!? | 20:33 |
| Disconnect | occasionally, depends on what i'm doing. also, try hitting backspace in a form entry on opera - half the time (or more) it goes to the prev page | 20:34 |
| Disconnect | not so useful :( | 20:35 |
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| gpd | indeed. done that. also still struggling with the Fn key -- xkb is not trivial to setup afaik - without Fn i cannot use Esc | 20:35 |
| * Disconnect is happy his fn key works inside the keyboard :) | 20:37 | |
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| suihkulokki | gpd, Disconnect, have you tried your BT keyboards with desktop linux? | 20:39 |
| Disconnect | no but i could, lemme see if i can find it :) | 20:40 |
| Disconnect | looking for anything in particular? | 20:40 |
| minra | gpd - i saw key repeats with a bad connection on the bt stowaway | 20:41 |
| minra | and low batts | 20:41 |
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| Disconnect | hmm. does kbluetooth grok keyboards or do I need to argue with it? | 20:41 |
| guerby | Disconnect, how did you do to get Fn working on a stoaway/N800 ? | 20:42 |
| Disconnect | it 'just worked' .. set it to the default kb mapping | 20:42 |
| guerby | N800 or N770? | 20:42 |
| guerby | Disconnect, and is it a sierra model? | 20:43 |
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| Disconnect | guerby: 770 needed the bluetooth module (and it had a stowaway mapping iirc, but it didn't work as well as the default) n800 just worked fine, even many of the same shortcuts (fn-d iirc is home, etc. never remember them to use them, but they work ;) ..) | 20:44 |
| guerby | Disconnect, ok, is your bt model a sierra ? (fold in four) | 20:44 |
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| Disconnect | xtbt01, folds in half | 20:45 |
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| guerby | Disconnect, ah okay | 20:45 |
| Disconnect | ok its not proving simple to get kde talking to the keyboard. still interested in how it behaves on linux? | 20:47 |
| Disconnect | cuz if so, well, sux2bu (kidding, i'll get it hooked up if its helpful) | 20:47 |
| konfoo | ok im compressing this maemo 3.0 vmware applicance.. anyone want to try torrenting it from me? | 20:51 |
| konfoo | if you can seed.. | 20:51 |
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| kender | hello | 21:16 |
| kender | anyone have had problems with radio stream in N800? | 21:21 |
| keesj | kender, your boot problem was solved? | 21:21 |
| kender | mine, with accuradio default stream says "No multimedia stream found in that direction" | 21:21 |
| kender | yes keesj :D | 21:21 |
| tko | hmm, has openmoko released anything concrete yet? I just noticed they have more traffic in the mailing list than maemo-developers this month | 21:22 |
| kender | keesj, the busybox update was the problem | 21:22 |
| keesj | I hear so many scarring questions on irc :p | 21:22 |
| kender | hehehe | 21:22 |
| keesj | tko, see slashdot | 21:22 |
| kender | is it fixed? | 21:22 |
| tko | keesj, yes, that's what I read | 21:23 |
| keesj | kender, was that a question to me? | 21:23 |
| tko | oh well, I suppose if iphone had a mailing list it would be flooding by now | 21:23 |
| kender | keesj, if you know the answer yes :) | 21:24 |
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| keesj | maemo developer was quite busy the last two weeks | 21:24 |
| kender | I see | 21:24 |
| kender | any idea about mediaplayer? | 21:24 |
| keesj | kender, I don't even know the question, and for sure not the answer | 21:24 |
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| tko | I just compared the number of total messages this month, which you conveniently see in the archives page | 21:25 |
| koen | tko: nothing release yet | 21:26 |
| koen | tko: source will be released in ~3 weeks | 21:26 |
| tko | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hriAMxCinhg :) | 21:28 |
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| neal | I got Failed to fetch when trying to install clinkc-av and mediastreamer | 21:33 |
| neal | this is with OS2006.2 | 21:33 |
| neal | on which the pop up keyboard is also broken | 21:34 |
| neal | often appearing only half on the screen | 21:34 |
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| rincewind1013 | is there a trick to removing the a sd card in the 2nd memory slot in the n800, the one under the stand | 21:38 |
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| mgedmin | use a bigger hammer | 21:39 |
| rincewind1013 | that doesnt help | 21:40 |
| rincewind1013 | shouldnt it just pop out when you push on it | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | somebody posted a N800 review on CNET | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | that article said there's no internal string | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | so you're supposed to pull the card out | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | which is difficult if your fingernails are short | 21:41 |
| rincewind1013 | ok | 21:41 |
| rincewind1013 | yea i see a tiny indentation | 21:41 |
| c0ffee | another problem that time fixes :) | 21:42 |
| c0ffee | re btw | 21:42 |
| rincewind1013 | i'll have to find a tiny screwdriver | 21:42 |
| * mgedmin has a USB sd card reader | 21:42 | |
| * mgedmin once put his RS-MMC card in it and had a fun time pulling it out | 21:42 | |
| inz | mgedmin, done that too, the "extender" didn't stick to the rs part | 21:43 |
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| mgedmin | hey, if the media player supports extended mp3 files, why does it reread ID3 tags each and every time I start it, making the playback jerky for a few minutes? | 21:55 |
| neal | there is a serious lack of QA occuring somewhere | 21:55 |
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| tko | koen, how could I have forgotten that :) | 21:55 |
| tko | neal, ouch. can you please file a bug so that we can publically humiliate the guilty? :) | 21:55 |
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| neal | I can't believe I thought this was an open platform | 21:58 |
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| neal | I'll report bugs again when you 1) actually adhere to upstream APIs as you claim and 2) actually make an open platform | 22:07 |
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| c0ffee | has somebody experience with win ce development? | 22:24 |
| c0ffee | i wonder whether you can just slap a windows app on windows ce, or whether you have to tailor the gui similar to gtk vs. hildon | 22:25 |
| c0ffee | from point of view of api | 22:25 |
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| dwd | c0ffee: I vaguely recall there's some API considerations. | 22:26 |
| dwd | c0ffee: It's been a while since I looked, but I think there's a lot of missing API, and a few changes and additions. | 22:27 |
| c0ffee | hum hum | 22:27 |
| c0ffee | since hildonizing apps appears a bit clumsy to me | 22:27 |
| c0ffee | although i can understand that the different dpi values put a lot of restrictions on the possible gui design | 22:28 |
| dwd | c0ffee: Hildonizing an existing app probably is, a bit. But I really feel that any "good" Maemo app is going to have a rewritten UI anyway, and the reusable parts can stay from a GTK+ app. | 22:28 |
| c0ffee | yes | 22:28 |
| tko | toolbar and menu differences are pretty big as well | 22:29 |
| keesj | I think that dropping desktop apps is difficult because of the screen and gui consideration | 22:29 |
| tko | I would like to have unmodified GtkWindow fit in more nicely, but that's not exactly a priority :-/ | 22:29 |
| keesj | Jaffa, ? | 22:29 |
| tko | or even X windows | 22:29 |
| c0ffee | another topic | 22:30 |
| c0ffee | what about gazpacho | 22:30 |
| tko | so if someone would be interested in hacking around gtk, matchbox and theming, it would be great | 22:30 |
| dwd | tko: Except that top-level windows are pretty much always going to be changed to optimize the UI. | 22:30 |
| c0ffee | the current version of gazpacho requires gtk+2.8 or better | 22:30 |
| tko | I'm fairly sure one could even theme GtkMenubar to better fit the style.. | 22:30 |
| c0ffee | any chance that such gtk versions will be used soon for hildon? | 22:31 |
| tko | dwd, sure, but the less you're *required* to do, the better, IMO | 22:31 |
| tko | c0ffee, working on it.. | 22:31 |
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| c0ffee | probably it would be enough to have 2.8 support in the scratchbox | 22:31 |
| c0ffee | as you could use the generated xml file on older gtk as well | 22:32 |
| tko | c0ffee, oh, didn't think of that | 22:32 |
| tko | c0ffee, poke ferulo about gazpacho, when he appears | 22:33 |
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| dwd | tko: I think if GTK+ apps "just ran", then you'd probably end up with a lot of apps which were useful to the likes of me and thee, but naff all use to the majority of people. | 22:33 |
| c0ffee | and the hildon-glade package that is in svn would be a nice-to-have feature as well, so you're not forced to stick with python | 22:33 |
| tko | dwd, well, we already have people claim command line and plain gtk apps as 'end user ready' so I don't see how it could be much worse :) | 22:35 |
| dwd | *sigh* | 22:36 |
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| wasabi_ | c0ffee: Depends on the device you're running WinCE on. | 22:36 |
| wasabi_ | You can get WinCE for general purpose x86 computers, and you can usually run some apps on them, depending on what they do. | 22:36 |
| wasabi_ | If you're using a version of WinCE customized for a particular device, your mileage may vary. | 22:37 |
| wasabi_ | Also, WinCE is pretty old now I think. | 22:37 |
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| c0ffee | there's a 2005 or so version | 22:37 |
| tko | vista embedded? :) | 22:37 |
| wasabi_ | There's Windows Embedded, Windows for Smartphones, Windows Mobile and whatever | 22:38 |
| wasabi_ | oh and a few versions of each of those, one called PocketPC | 22:38 |
| wasabi_ | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/about/default.mspx | 22:38 |
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| c0ffee | i just got my info from the linux sync software thingy | 22:40 |
| c0ffee | and my navman icn530 f.e. is identified as windows mobile 3.0 | 22:41 |
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| konfoo | aargh i need a torrent tracker | 22:57 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:57 |
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