| Tak | there's a test build of xmame for bora if anyone's interested ( garage/projects/xmame ) | 00:00 |
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| lardman|home | Molagi: Are you saying that the built-in player is better than mplayer for that file? | 00:05 |
| Molagi | yeah | 00:06 |
| Molagi | it doesnt warp or freeze | 00:06 |
| lardman|home | interesting, what is the format - xvid, etc.? | 00:06 |
| Molagi | yeah xvid | 00:06 |
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| Molagi | converted to 420x240 with videobitrate 300 i think | 00:07 |
| lardman|home | I was just wondering | 00:08 |
| ssvb | daniels: is mpeg4 and its variants decoded using ARM core on N800 now? | 00:09 |
| ssvb | daniels: I mean in standard video player | 00:10 |
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| Molagi | shame that standard video player doenst support subtitles | 00:11 |
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| lardman|home | Molagi: You could presumably add in a gstreamer element to add the subtitles | 00:13 |
| Molagi | hmm | 00:14 |
| Molagi | how? | 00:15 |
| Tak | so is there no esd on the n800? | 00:15 |
| Molagi | whats an esd? | 00:16 |
| lardman|home | you'd need the correct subtitle decoder, from a quick look there's one called dvdsub which will decode and place them on AYUV frames | 00:16 |
| lardman|home | you'd have to compile and install it, then link it into the current gstreamer chain | 00:16 |
| Molagi | oh | 00:16 |
| Molagi | so id kinda need to compile them again? | 00:16 |
| lardman|home | not sure how the chain is constructed though, but iirc there's a conf file or similar (thinking of the ogg tutorial) which might allow you to change what's put in the chain | 00:17 |
| Molagi | trough dvdsub | 00:17 |
| lardman|home | gstreamer is a bunch of components that do various things, read the file, decode this/that/the other, output to audio, output to video | 00:17 |
| Molagi | ok | 00:17 |
| lardman|home | so you just add in an extra component that interprets the subtitles | 00:18 |
| lardman|home | when I say just, it's easy to say, not sure how easy to do | 00:18 |
| Molagi | :D | 00:18 |
| daniels | ssvb: you need to decode to i420/yv12 first, but those formats are colourspace-converted using the graphics sybsystem, yes | 00:19 |
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| ssvb | Molagi: it should be possible to encode subtitles into video using mencoder (or some of its frontends), the quality of text would not be very good though | 00:19 |
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| Molagi | yeah, just couldnt get it working | 00:20 |
| Molagi | tried with the nokia 770 video convertor 1.21 | 00:20 |
| ssvb | daniels: are planar yuv colorspace formats supported by hardware? | 00:20 |
| Molagi | heh the standard media player froze | 00:21 |
| Molagi | worked 16 minutes properly | 00:21 |
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| lardman|home | So does that mean the majority of the decoding is done on the ARM rather than the DSP? | 00:26 |
| lardman|home | ah no, I misread daniels' post | 00:27 |
| lardman|home | only the colourspace conversion is done outside of the DSP? | 00:28 |
| Pio | heh i hate when i forgot to check the nokia display for messages when im apt-get installing stuff | 00:28 |
| Pio | i actually got as far as looking at the mediastreamer preinst script to see why it was hanging up | 00:28 |
| Pio | (sshing in to the 770 from my workstation) | 00:29 |
| lardman|home | Was it asking where you wanted to put the link? | 00:30 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: if I got correct information (listing of dsp tasks available on N800), DSP is only used for audio on N800 now and dspmpeg4sink got retired | 00:30 |
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| lardman|home | ssvb: That's interesting. I wonder if that's due to hw limitations or programmer limitations | 00:31 |
| ssvb | ssvb: so video should be decoded now by either using ARM core or IVA (but that is unlikely) | 00:31 |
| Pio | lardman|gone, that, and EULA acceptance | 00:32 |
| lardman|home | What form does IVA take, not simply hw optimisations for the DSP? | 00:32 |
| lardman|home | Pio: Ah right | 00:32 |
| Molagi | hmm im using nokia 770 video converter to convert my movies to n800, might that be the problem why mplayer is warping and freezing? | 00:32 |
| suihkulokki | ssvb: methinks planar->packed conversion is done xserver | 00:33 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: DSP seems to be only 220MHz in OMAP2420, so it could not provide any improvement over Nokia 770 | 00:33 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: It appears (from the Ti diagram) to be the same one | 00:33 |
| suihkulokki | ssvb: have you checked bora xserver sources? | 00:33 |
| ssvb | suihkulokki: not yet | 00:34 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: There's always ways to improve, just depends on whether you can get someone to do the programming | 00:34 |
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| * lardman|home thinks he's just about worked out how to use the DSP examples | 00:34 | |
| lardman|home | and examples are a long way from something useful | 00:35 |
| Pio | anyone have screen cleaning tips for the 770? | 00:36 |
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| ssvb | suihkulokki: I see, I have some optimized code for planar->packed conversion that works good for Nokia 770, maybe it could be used in xserver too | 00:37 |
| ssvb | suihkulokki: but it is better to benchmark it on N800 to be sure that it can provide any improvement there | 00:38 |
| ssvb | I'm going to implement JIT scaler in Nokia 770 version of mplayer this weekend, so scaling problems should be resolved soon | 00:40 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: yes, examples are too limited, also it is hard to find anything open source that is finished and usable for C55x | 00:42 |
| lardman|home | Someone brought up the question of ogg earlier, I wonder what libvorbis vs tremor will produce | 00:42 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: the most important example that is missing is how to play some sounds from DSP | 00:42 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: The examples are limited, but should point the right way. The real issue is the lack of the header file for the functions in the avs_kernel.out, without that we need to write the driver/codec for the aic23 (name?) | 00:43 |
| lardman|home | touche | 00:43 |
| konfoo | anyone looking for a 770? i have a spare one i need to sell | 00:43 |
| konfoo | also a zaurus c3200 :) | 00:44 |
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| lardman|home | ssvb: There are examples, however, of writing the interface with the McBSP to the aic23 chip | 00:44 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: I wonder if it is legal to disassemble existing dsppcmsink code to get some information from it | 00:46 |
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| lardman|home | ssvb: no idea. Would be easier for Nokia to just say here's a header file, use these functions in the avs_kernel with these parameter lists | 00:47 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: Have you tried the dsp examples? | 00:47 |
| ssvb | lardman|home: not yet, permanently don't have time for that :( | 00:47 |
| lardman|home | ssvb: It's finally dawned on me that I need to look more closely at the memory locations I'm trying to use. My 770 is rebooting pretty much every time I try to run a task | 00:48 |
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| lardman|home | ssvb: But I don;t think there's much point in turning off the lifeguard reset as otherwise the dsp will end up in a 'blank' state, which isn't how it would be used normally (without the other tasks having allocated memory, & fb, etc.) | 00:49 |
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| lardman|home | it might cut down on my profanities though ;) | 00:49 |
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| ssvb | lardman|home: debugging DSP code might be a nightmare, I guess all the useful stuff like simulator is included in commercial package such as Code Composer Studio | 00:50 |
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| lardman|home | ssvb: Yep, would just have to do it the old way with printf statements & testing subroutines against MATLAB/other known good decoders | 00:51 |
| minra | yaay for the 770 | 00:52 |
| minra | will any other manufacturers be releasing devices that run on maemo? would be nice ... :) | 00:53 |
| daniels | ssvb: the hardware has a planar-ish format we can use if the video is unclipped | 00:53 |
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| lardman|home | night all | 01:06 |
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| kkito | hello | 01:07 |
| kkito | is it possible to program the PowerVR MBX from n800 using maemo? | 01:08 |
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| kkito | there are any opengl implementation of that? | 01:08 |
| daniels | nope | 01:08 |
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| Molagi | how can i change the background image | 01:16 |
| Molagi | aka put a different wallpaper | 01:16 |
| minra | hi Molagi, its under the settings | 01:16 |
| Molagi | tools? | 01:17 |
| pahartik | Molagi: "Home -> Tools -> Set background image..." | 01:19 |
| Molagi | can i put one from images folder | 01:20 |
| Molagi | oh | 01:20 |
| Molagi | i can | 01:20 |
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| wumpus | lol, xmame on the N800 has top/bottom and left/right swapped, that makes for one hard game of pacman :) | 01:42 |
| Pio | heh | 01:43 |
| gpd | can someone give me an sensible kismet command -- i have it installed on N800 but have never used it. | 01:43 |
| gpd | ok - running from tablet xterm - rather than from desktop ssh seems better as i now have a curses interface :) | 01:45 |
| minra | i have kismet running on the 770... you might need to look at /etc/kismet/kismet.conf and /etc/kismet/kismet-ui.conf | 01:46 |
| minra | is there info on the N800 available or are you Nokia employee? | 01:46 |
| gpd | i am not an employee -- i am just a user | 01:47 |
| * gpd wipes nose | 01:47 | |
| gpd | seems to be running smoothly now -- lots of interesting stuff at least | 01:47 |
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| * minra explodes with jealousy | 01:51 | |
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| * Jaffa pretties up http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ a notch or two | 01:57 | |
| koen | Jaffa: counting the hours till you are a proper dev? | 01:58 |
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| Jaffa | koen: I'm hoping a pretty website will help ;-) | 02:00 |
| koen | :D | 02:01 |
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| * minra gets a bucket for the drool | 02:04 | |
| minra | so whats the quick capsule review on the n800? any annoyances? | 02:04 |
| * gpd notes xmame in extras | 02:04 | |
| minra | they ship xmame with it?? | 02:04 |
| gpd | minra: in summary: 'dude!' | 02:04 |
| * gpd tries to think of annoyances | 02:06 | |
| * minra reads specs on the OMAP2 oh... my... | 02:06 | |
| * gpd is surprised there is no N800 wikipedia article yet | 02:08 | |
| koen | minra: most "oh my" features have no drivers | 02:08 |
| minra | ah ... too bad that directional pad doesnt have diagonals | 02:09 |
| daniels | gpd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800 | 02:10 |
| minra | that thick bulge at the top looks unfortunate | 02:11 |
| minra | looks like the same battery size -- how is the battery life? ram costs some energy | 02:12 |
| nomis | minra: actually this helps with holding it in your hands comfortably. | 02:12 |
| nomis | (the bulge) | 02:13 |
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| minra | ah... | 02:14 |
| minra | looks like just about everything is awesome... the two sd card slots... the memory... | 02:14 |
| nomis | there are other more annoying things - like the omission of a hard cover. Or a pen that probably takes some time to get used to. | 02:14 |
| minra | is the cp-136 case a hard or soft case? | 02:14 |
| * Jaffa beds. G'night, all. | 02:15 | |
| nomis | the accessoire cover? I have not yet seen this with my own eyes. | 02:15 |
| minra | it is a carrying case, so probably not slide-on... comes with the device (according to the german nokia product page) | 02:17 |
| minra | goodnight Jaffa | 02:17 |
| Lyndon | hi, is it possible to pushtype alt-key in n800? | 02:18 |
| Lyndon | need to changee window on irssi ;) well maybe i'll have to find command for it. | 02:21 |
| minra | bluetooth keyboard is nice | 02:22 |
| * gpd opens newly arrived BT Sierra Keyboard... | 02:23 | |
| minra | better than the thinkoutside stowaway? | 02:23 |
| minra | wow that thing is huge | 02:24 |
| gpd | number keys... fullsize keys... | 02:24 |
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| pahartik | Lyndon: "/window goto <number|channel|nickname>" | 02:26 |
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| * gpd struggles to find discoverable key 'above -' | 02:28 | |
| gpd | ok key found -- think tiny... | 02:35 |
| gpd | pairing failed however... | 02:35 |
| minra | please lemme know if you get apps crashing (mainly xchat and opera) with bt keyboard | 02:37 |
| gpd | i would if i could work out how to pair it | 02:38 |
| gpd | do i just not put in a passkey? | 02:38 |
| konfoo | try 0000? | 02:38 |
| konfoo | i am using a freedom mini bt.. works fine.. no crashing (yet) | 02:38 |
| gpd | ooh -- press the passkey on the keyboard and press enter | 02:39 |
| gpd | helps if you RTFM | 02:39 |
| konfoo | doh | 02:39 |
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| gpd | even if it isn't for the right os | 02:39 |
| * gpd tries to hold back natural tendency to suddeny reach for mouse | 02:40 | |
| gpd | greetings from sierra with n800 | 02:40 |
| gpd | wow this thing is really quite good | 02:41 |
| gpd | feels a little fruity after a large natural keyboard - but nonetheless i wouldn't want to go much smaller | 02:41 |
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| gpd | chx: another piece of the puzzle comes together | 02:42 |
| gpd | now i /really/ need vim running! | 02:42 |
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| gpd | minra: what apps crashing? | 02:44 |
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| minra | browser, xchat mainly | 02:49 |
| minra | when i have kbd connected and and switch apps and tip the pen in the input box | 02:49 |
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| arnnn | where can I get xterm for n800? | 02:51 |
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| arnnn | osso-xterm_0.12_arm.deb gives me 'unable to install. aplication package is incompatible with current software' | 02:52 |
| minra | ah | 02:52 |
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| minra | does the n800 use "OS2007"? | 02:54 |
| arnnn | minra, yes maemo 3.0 | 02:54 |
| * minra checks what he can get for his 770 on ebay | 02:55 | |
| arnnn | minra, how do you like 770 ? | 02:57 |
| minra | great! | 02:58 |
| minra | i used it about 6 hours a day for 4 weeks | 02:58 |
| minra | got some eyestrain after long use | 02:58 |
| arnnn | you only have it for 1 month ? | 02:58 |
| s-ndh-c | i like it too | 02:58 |
| minra | yes i just upgraded kernel, not the whole os so i need to get the newest maemo on there | 02:59 |
| arnnn | oh | 02:59 |
| minra | probably with a partition on the rs-mmc so i dont kill my existing (working) setup | 02:59 |
| arnnn | what do you guys use nokia for mainly? developing ? | 02:59 |
| minra | kind of scary not being able to reflash a completely hosed system | 02:59 |
| minra | portable internet, gaming, xchat, portable movieplayer | 03:00 |
| minra | ctorrent client :) | 03:00 |
| s-ndh-c | but you buy the 770 use it for one month and then buy the n800? | 03:00 |
| minra | kismet woo | 03:00 |
| s-ndh-c | sounds odd to me | 03:00 |
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| minra | no i wont buy the n800... | 03:00 |
| arnnn | I onlly use it for reading pdf.. | 03:00 |
| arnnn | and I want evince so bad | 03:00 |
| arnnn | and I need xterm to try making the screen to never dims out | 03:01 |
| sp3000 | you could write a shell scriipt to do that I'm pretty sure | 03:01 |
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| minra | you can also ssh to the nokia, then do your scripting from the computer | 03:02 |
| arnnn | ooohh | 03:02 |
| s-ndh-c | someone saif ealier its done by echoing some value into some file in the /sys kernel interface | 03:02 |
| arnnn | s-ndh-c, oh do you still remember what file ? | 03:02 |
| s-ndh-c | arnnn: i think he didnt say that | 03:03 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 03:03 |
| s-ndh-c | i would just take a look around there | 03:03 |
| arnnn | minra, does my n800 have sshd ? | 03:03 |
| s-ndh-c | arnnn: if you have os2006 second release it seems to have openssh installed by default | 03:03 |
| arnnn | s-ndh-c, oh | 03:03 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast it wanted to remove allmost all of the os as i tried uninstalling ssh | 03:04 |
| arnnn | what is the username and password to connect ? | 03:04 |
| s-ndh-c | arnnn: i think its root rootme or something | 03:04 |
| s-ndh-c | just login and change it | 03:06 |
| s-ndh-c | or better login as root setup sudo for the normal user "user" | 03:06 |
| s-ndh-c | and disable root by passwd -l | 03:06 |
| s-ndh-c | and set a password for user | 03:06 |
| minra | are there buttons on the right side, that could be used in emulators? | 03:06 |
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| arnnn | I will try that | 03:07 |
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| s-ndh-c | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 | 03:07 |
| s-ndh-c | that describes the procedure very well | 03:08 |
| s-ndh-c | you can leave out the dirst steps, as openssh seems to be installed by default | 03:08 |
| s-ndh-c | no need to install dropbear | 03:08 |
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| s-ndh-c | t2zzzzzz | 03:10 |
| s-ndh-c | nn people. | 03:10 |
| arnnn | I see | 03:12 |
| minra | ni ni | 03:12 |
| arnnn | what is the synonym for maemo 3.0 / os2007 ? bora2 ? | 03:13 |
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| minra | i dunno... | 03:13 |
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| arnnn | sardin ? | 03:14 |
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| chx | gpd: good news. | 04:12 |
| chx | gpd: we will eventually reach our goal | 04:12 |
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| minra | what hardware acceleration does X use on the n800? | 04:42 |
| minra | does it have Xvideo extension? :) | 04:42 |
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| daniels | yeah, it uses xv for hardware colourspace conversion and scaling. that's it. | 04:54 |
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| minra | i suppose an xgl / opengl implementation would not make much business sense | 05:05 |
| daniels | it would have negative ramifications for power usage, for one | 05:06 |
| minra | does the OMAP2 do floating point better than the 770? | 05:07 |
| korc_ | hello... somebody has had this one error: Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'? knows to what it must. I have debian sid and scratchbox | 05:07 |
| daniels | significantly, yes | 05:07 |
| daniels | korc_: your /etc/resolv.conf is broken | 05:07 |
| korc_ | daniels, ok... thanks.. | 05:08 |
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| korc_ | daniels, it is not the problem... /etc/resolv.conf is well | 05:25 |
| korc_ | the other message is: "Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | 05:26 |
| korc_ | " | 05:26 |
| minra | that usually indicates a problem in /etc/apt/sources.list | 05:28 |
| minra | but dunno about maemo | 05:28 |
| minra | compare sources.list to someone with a working unit korc_ - i have an older 770 , shall i look? | 05:28 |
| korc_ | my /etc/apt/sources.list into scratchbox is: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 05:30 |
| korc_ | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras | 05:30 |
| korc_ | the problem happened after updating scratchbox in my debian | 05:31 |
| minra | i dont have bora, sorry | 05:31 |
| minra | but should there be a space... wait.. a sec | 05:32 |
| korc_ | thanks minra | 05:32 |
| korc_ | they will be errors of the version in scratchbox?... or debian sid compatible? | 05:34 |
| minra | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositoriesSourceList | 05:34 |
| minra | that gives correct sources.list for all maemo versions | 05:34 |
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| minra | dont understand your question | 05:35 |
| minra | hmm... ok korc_ maybe your sources.list isnt the problem | 05:36 |
| minra | can you see the internet from the scratchbox environment? | 05:36 |
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| korc_ | yes, its not a problem... i changed the sources.list, but it doesnt work... | 05:39 |
| korc_ | how I can verify the connection from scratchbox?, i'm newbie | 05:39 |
| minra | i am too. the people who know what they're doing are all busy doing things :P | 05:40 |
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| korc_ | some link, manual or tutorial? | 05:40 |
| korc_ | ummm... ok... thanks | 05:40 |
| minra | does scratchbox use tun/tap userspace routing ? | 05:40 |
| minra | i mean, you say it worked before, then you upgraded scratchbox then it stopped working | 05:41 |
| minra | and you are trying to update packages or lists within the scratchbox environment | 05:42 |
| korc_ | yes... | 05:42 |
| minra | which means you need a connection to the outside, and that's iirc thru tun/tap... so maybe your network devices inside scratchbox got munged | 05:42 |
| korc_ | i upgrated the packages | 05:42 |
| Tak | gpd: did you actually try xmame? | 05:43 |
| minra | rehi Tak... got me internet access now yaayy for mee yaay lemonade stand | 05:43 |
| Tak | congratulations minra | 05:44 |
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| korc_ | thanks minra.. i will to try again tomorrow... bye | 05:46 |
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| gpd | Tak: it runs - but i haven't tried any ROMS yet | 05:51 |
| * gpd attempts to find page up with Sierra keyboard and screen'd irssi session | 05:52 | |
| minra | space duel! wooo | 05:52 |
| Tak | ok - I'm mainly wondering about the sound and the responsiveness | 05:52 |
| gpd | Tak: I'll find some ROMS ;) | 05:52 |
| minra | 1942 was semi-playable on the 770 xmame | 05:53 |
| gpd | the Fn key seems to be bringing up the menu so that i can't use page-up | 05:53 |
| gpd | is there an escape-something key for page up in irssi? | 05:53 |
| minra | gpd ouch... xmodmap? | 05:53 |
| gpd | minra: yes - i suppose so - but a google for sierra and 770 first i suspect | 05:54 |
| daniels | sounds like a broken keyboard | 05:54 |
| daniels | gpdesc-p, btw | 05:55 |
| gpd | hah -- of course esc is fn-tab! | 05:55 |
| gpd | daniels - just got this keyboard - set the type to be generic-105 in bluetooth settings - maybe there is a better option | 05:56 |
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| Tak | minra: accelerated doubling in 770 xmame now, btw | 05:56 |
| daniels | gpd: nope, i haven't written a definition for it, but the if it's anything like the other stowaway keyboard, it will be _hideously_ broken. | 05:57 |
| gpd | daniels: lovely - thanks :( | 05:57 |
| jacques | is there a recommended BT keyboard? | 05:57 |
| gpd | i thought this was recommended ... | 05:57 |
| minra | my bt stowaway works fine with xterm, less so with xmame | 05:57 |
| * minra will rob someone and send Tak a BT kbd | 05:57 | |
| daniels | er, obviously the nokia su-8w is recommended ;) | 05:58 |
| minra | heh | 05:58 |
| gpd | ah -- of course :D | 05:58 |
| jacques | ah, OK I'll check it out thanks :-) | 05:58 |
| minra | the build quality on the Stowaway (chinese) isnt quite up to the design standards | 05:58 |
| jacques | $150 - I guess that's about what BT keyboards cost :-\ | 05:59 |
| daniels | well, when i was testing it, pressing / (green fn + \), you got a keypress for greenfn, a keypress for shift, a keypress for /, a keyrelease for shift, a keyrelease for / (which is now |), and a keyrelease for greenfn. something like that. it was pathologically broken. | 05:59 |
| minra | i think i paid 100 euro for mine - about 130 USD | 06:00 |
| Tak | minra: my fiancee's looking at the stowaway sierra ;-) | 06:00 |
| Tak | you can always hit zoom in and reconfooble the keys | 06:00 |
| gpd | daniels: i agree -- that is the other one - this one (sierra) has full keys | 06:01 |
| minra | reconfiging keys via xmame led to some strange behavior, but i'll get back to that sometime and find out whats happening | 06:01 |
| minra | the just when i felt i had all the cool toys i really needed... | 06:05 |
| minra | the N800 and the sierra come out | 06:05 |
| gpd | sierra cost me 85 on amazon - but shipping took ages so get from newegg instead | 06:05 |
| jacques | ok this takes the nokia out of the running: | 06:05 |
| jacques | Can I also use the Nokia Wireless Keyboard with my PDA or PC? | 06:05 |
| jacques | No you cannot. The Nokia Wireless Keyboard can only be used with compatible Nokia phones. | 06:05 |
| jacques | sorry, but I'm not spending that much for a BT keyboard that I cannot use with whatever I want | 06:05 |
| daniels | that page is wrong | 06:05 |
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| gpd | sierraaaaa seemmmms ice soooooo fffffffar except for the occasional incident described <-- | 06:05 |
| gpd | but that is not normal | 06:05 |
| daniels | if you call up nokia and say 'but it doesn't work with my opensolaris laptop', then they won't support you. but it absolutely does work just fine as a standard bluetooth hid device. | 06:05 |
| daniels | it's purely a support issue | 06:05 |
| daniels | same reason people tell you that you can't use your usb key under linux | 06:05 |
| jacques | daniels, ok that's not so bad then | 06:05 |
| gpd | daniels: can you shed any light on USB host mode? we were discussion earlier. OTG is out - but host mode - any possibility of ever getting to work? | 06:05 |
| gpd | [unofficially] | 06:05 |
| daniels | gpd: well, the flasher still has --enable-usb-host-mode ... | 06:06 |
| gpd | jacques: if you have questions on the sierra - i am using it now with the nokia to type this. | 06:06 |
| gpd | hmm. I am tempted to reflash then - i thought that might put me into dev mode | 06:07 |
| gpd | daniels: i just got an apple camera connector - that allows the iPod to offload photos from a camera - this would be great to do on the nokia as the screen would allow *real* previewing in the wild | 06:08 |
| daniels | gpd: well, if it doesn't need any power, then you're okay | 06:08 |
| jacques | yeah, for that the N800 is even sweeter than my hx4700 (previewing photos) | 06:09 |
| gpd | no - the digital SLR should provide power enough | 06:09 |
| jacques | going by the display resolution/quality | 06:09 |
| gpd | so i should order the usb big to usb small converter, reflash, echo the thing to the /sys/foo, then joy? (unofficially) | 06:10 |
| daniels | gpd: no, use flasher --enable-usb-host-mode | 06:10 |
| gpd | daniels: but the --enable-usb-host-mode is switchable after flashing ? or not? | 06:11 |
| daniels | gpd: it is, yes | 06:12 |
| gpd | and the lack of OTG support is not fatal for this usage? | 06:12 |
| daniels | guess you'll find out ... | 06:13 |
| gpd | well the cable is only $8 so here goes nothing. | 06:13 |
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| gpd | for reference: typing with the sierra behind the nokia is very comfortable. who needs laptops! | 06:14 |
| jacques | N800 cannot charge over USB correct? | 06:16 |
| konfoo | yes it can | 06:16 |
| konfoo | mine is charging over usb right now | 06:16 |
| konfoo | well, USB adapter | 06:16 |
| nelson | N770 doesn't charge over USB. | 06:16 |
| konfoo | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/355032055_1108e6e355.jpg that kind of usb charge | 06:17 |
| cesman | hello hello | 06:18 |
| jacques | well I meant charge over the USB port on the N800 :-) | 06:18 |
| konfoo | nod | 06:18 |
| * gpd experiences spontaneous reboot :( | 06:20 | |
| gpd | there must be a quicker way to connect his keyboard than - tools - control panel - bluetooth - devices - keyboard - edit - connect | 06:21 |
| daniels | some of them will auto-pair when you turn them on | 06:22 |
| daniels | (the nokia one does that, e.g.) | 06:22 |
| gpd | bah | 06:23 |
| * cesman ordered a gps receiver today | 06:23 | |
| gpd | cesman: i-blue - $79? | 06:23 |
| cesman | yes | 06:23 |
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| konfoo | i have a gpslim.. havent tried it yet | 06:25 |
| gpd | cesman: will you have it by SCALE? | 06:26 |
| cesman | I should yes | 06:27 |
| cesman | the company is here in socal | 06:27 |
| cesman | and it was in stock | 06:27 |
| gpd | as they say here 'awesome dude' | 06:27 |
| jacques | you guys are going to SCALE? | 06:28 |
| gpd | yup - you? | 06:28 |
| jacques | I'll be in the nslu2-linux.org booth | 06:28 |
| jacques | we're having a "linux on consumer devices" BoF too | 06:29 |
| gpd | ah - 'the slug' ? | 06:29 |
| jacques | yep :-) | 06:29 |
| gpd | that is another thing on my list of required gagetry... | 06:30 |
| * cesman will be in the KnoppMyth booth | 06:30 | |
| cesman | and I'll be leading the Linux home entertainment bof | 06:30 |
| jacques | cool, I gotta get a HDTV card some day and build a myth box | 06:31 |
| jacques | cesman, oh cool - I wanna come | 06:31 |
| konfoo | whats in the home entertainment bof | 06:31 |
| jacques | argh - same time as consumer dev one :-( :-( | 06:32 |
| cesman | I'll show folks how to build a home entertainment system powered by Linux | 06:32 |
| konfoo | ic | 06:32 |
| gpd | cesman: will it be girlfriend proof? mine is now addicted to our Moxi box | 06:33 |
| cesman | Moxi... | 06:33 |
| cesman | so there are actually out in the field... | 06:33 |
| gpd | it is Tivo - esque | 06:33 |
| cesman | yes, i know what it is | 06:33 |
| gpd | sorry | 06:34 |
| cesman | no worries | 06:34 |
| gpd | we have had it for over a year now | 06:34 |
| konfoo | you guys work in the entertainment technology industry? | 06:34 |
| cesman | no, I.... | 06:34 |
| * cesman is just wants control of his entertainment his way... | 06:34 | |
| konfoo | ah ok :) | 06:34 |
| konfoo | the only problem with the open source route for that is always the damn conditional access | 06:36 |
| cesman | gpd: to answer your question... I think it is easy | 06:36 |
| konfoo | cesman: using mythtv? freevo? ...? | 06:36 |
| cesman | Linus has powered my home entertainment for about 4 years now | 06:36 |
| cesman | MythTV | 06:36 |
| cesman | KnoppMyth is a a distro I started | 06:37 |
| konfoo | nice | 06:37 |
| cesman | give you Linux, MythTV and all you need | 06:37 |
| cesman | install to live tv in as little as 10 minutes :) | 06:37 |
| cesman | that is how fast one of my users has done it | 06:37 |
| konfoo | well.. live ntsc/atsc/analog ;) | 06:37 |
| cesman | yes | 06:37 |
| konfoo | i only care about hd content | 06:37 |
| * cesman has HD | 06:38 | |
| konfoo | not pay per view or premium encrypted channels though | 06:38 |
| cesman | the user had DVB, setup is the same for HD | 06:38 |
| cesman | OTA all the way | 06:38 |
| konfoo | meh | 06:39 |
| jacques | new cards can do unencrypted QAM | 06:39 |
| jacques | but I dunno if such a thing exists in the wild | 06:39 |
| konfoo | so? thats not premium/ppv | 06:39 |
| konfoo | it does | 06:39 |
| konfoo | for a couple years already | 06:39 |
| konfoo | directv and microsoft are bringing out a pci directv card.. we will see what happens there | 06:40 |
| jacques | vista-only ? | 06:40 |
| konfoo | no idea | 06:40 |
| konfoo | i still have a prototype we made 8 years ago in a box somewhere | 06:40 |
| konfoo | course that doesnt work anymore ;) | 06:41 |
| konfoo | im sure the ms-dtv card will be nicely drm'd | 06:41 |
| jacques | maybe I could run vista inside qemu and somehow get the video data to linux | 06:42 |
| konfoo | sounds painful | 06:42 |
| * cesman says.... F drm | 06:42 | |
| konfoo | dtv is migrating to dvb-s, so there may be hope yet | 06:42 |
| konfoo | cesman: unfortunately thats what i do for work | 06:43 |
| konfoo | on linux | 06:43 |
| konfoo | lol | 06:43 |
| cesman | client or server side? | 06:44 |
| konfoo | both | 06:44 |
| konfoo | more pipe encryption of the video streams than the actual files | 06:44 |
| konfoo | we make a.. eh.. tv station in a box type system | 06:45 |
| jacques | how can I get a clock to show up in the bar with the brightness/volume/wifi/battery status? | 06:46 |
| konfoo | some small co can buy a bunch of our set top boxes, a couple pieces at the network ops center, and start up their own station over satellite | 06:46 |
| konfoo | our homegrown linux settop is quite good actually :) | 06:47 |
| konfoo | a fun project | 06:47 |
| cesman | sounds like it | 06:47 |
| cesman | Tak: need more testing? | 06:55 |
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| cesman | the hybrid map is cool! | 07:03 |
| gpd | cesman: hybrid map on maemo maps? (sorry just retruned from eating) | 07:05 |
| cesman | yes | 07:07 |
| cesman | http://niko.ws/mapper/ | 07:07 |
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| gpd | hmm... still not worked out how to copy and paste from n800 opera | 07:13 |
| gpd | however, just found 'tabs' in xterm -- very cool | 07:13 |
| vol_770 | Can anyone comment on how much better video playback is on the 800? | 07:15 |
| vol_770 | My compusa doesnt even have a demo unit yet | 07:17 |
| cesman | soory, I never saw playback on the 770 | 07:17 |
| vol_770 | Its nice on the 770, but a little choppy | 07:18 |
| cesman | I'd say it is very nice! | 07:20 |
| jacques | vol_770, I have the same question - I wanna know if it's possible to play full res (800x480) full frame rate video | 07:20 |
| cesman | I don't know as I have no tried | 07:20 |
| cesman | I used the 770-encode.pl script to convert what I record w/ mythtv to avi playable on 800 | 07:21 |
| cesman | using mplayer preset | 07:21 |
| jacques | I can play 640x480@25fps/1500bps divx on my hx4700 - it has a slightly better video chip but otherwise the N800 should be faster in every way | 07:22 |
| gpd | jacques: if you post a suitable video clip i can test - i have mplayer installed | 07:24 |
| gpd | cesman: i am confused: how did you get hybrid mode running? | 07:24 |
| cesman | just follow the directions on the site | 07:24 |
| gpd | the link you pasted says 'it is made of 2 images and not supported' | 07:24 |
| cesman | you need to run the script on a system | 07:25 |
| cesman | I'm running it on my desktop and point n800 to it | 07:25 |
| gpd | ah- ok - i stopped reading after the above | 07:25 |
| jacques | gpd, cool! I'll dig around (last time I messed with the hx4700 was a while back) | 07:26 |
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| * cesman needs to shutdown -h now... | 07:29 | |
| cesman | floss my n800 for floss | 07:29 |
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| gpd | Tak: i have several mame rom directories now - which file of the .[1-9] do i want? | 07:38 |
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| Tak | usually it just takes the name of the directory | 07:58 |
| gpd | hmm it doesn't seem to want to let me select that - /me tries again | 07:59 |
| Tak | cesman: always! | 07:59 |
| cesman | Tak: got a new package up? | 07:59 |
| Tak | yeah, -bora2 | 08:01 |
| Tak | it's in the extras repo now as well | 08:01 |
| cesman | cool1 | 08:03 |
| cesman | downloading | 08:03 |
| jacques | which version of xmame is this ? as in which rom versions does it take ? | 08:06 |
| Tak | 0.58.1 | 08:06 |
| Tak | the binary for .106 is 30M :-( | 08:07 |
| jacques | ah yeah that might be a bit excessive | 08:07 |
| cesman | Tak: still no sound and inop keys | 08:10 |
| Tak | wtf | 08:11 |
| cesman | going to bed soon... | 08:15 |
| cesman | anything you want me to check? | 08:16 |
| cesman | tak hold the phone | 08:19 |
| cesman | my screen blanked | 08:20 |
| cesman | when I press it, I thought it had installed, when it didn't... | 08:20 |
| Tak | ah | 08:21 |
| * Tak looks for his phone in order to hold it | 08:21 | |
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| Tak | gpd: it'll also take a zip with the files in it, btw | 08:21 |
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| cesman | Tak: sound is a little choppy | 08:23 |
| cesman | other than, that it is looking good! | 08:24 |
| Tak | hm | 08:27 |
| Tak | the esd sound was a lot better | 08:28 |
| myren__ | is there alsa sound driver support? -- kernel module + libraries? | 08:28 |
| myren__ | what libasound version? | 08:28 |
| Tak | I have no idea | 08:28 |
| Tak | alsa would be great | 08:28 |
| cesman | Tak: great job man! | 08:29 |
| cesman | good night folks | 08:30 |
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| soleblaze | just got an N800..nifty device | 08:32 |
| keesj | congrats! | 08:34 |
| keesj | and welcome | 08:35 |
| soleblaze | yeah, so I guess I get to idle here and bug anyone whose around lol | 08:36 |
| Tak | welcome to my life | 08:36 |
| soleblaze | anyone here use screen protectors? | 08:36 |
| keesj | don't have a n800 yet :) I hope to get one next week! | 08:40 |
| soleblaze | yeah, I've been eyeing the 770..but since this came out I took the plunge..we'll see how hard it'll be to run 770 software on it | 08:41 |
| Tak | from the comments I've seen, the majority of 770 software seems to run ok | 08:42 |
| Tak | and what doesn't is being ported ;-) | 08:42 |
| keesj | many developers still need to get there hands on the n800 but many things are reported to just work http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications | 08:42 |
| soleblaze | nifty..looks like most of the initial stuff I want to try works | 08:43 |
| soleblaze | now I just gotta figure out how to install everything lol. I don't think the thing came with a cd with the manual on it..or maybe I overlooked it | 08:44 |
| Tak | aha, it does support alsa - http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/maemo-sdk-relnotes_3.0.txt | 08:47 |
| inz | sole, teh manual is on the device, lol | 08:48 |
| Tak | guess it's time to write an alsa driver for fceu | 08:48 |
| soleblaze | hah it is? | 08:48 |
| soleblaze | figures | 08:48 |
| soleblaze | see that's just too logical to me | 08:49 |
| Tak | Section 1: Accessing the manual | 08:49 |
| soleblaze | ugh I didn't backup before updating firmware..now I gotta reinput my 63 random character WPA key | 08:49 |
| soleblaze | was that on that little glossy foldout sheet? | 08:49 |
| soleblaze | hey look, there it is | 08:50 |
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| soleblaze | so what forums are popular for the 770/n800? | 09:08 |
| Tak | internettablettalk.com | 09:09 |
| myren__ | Tak: sweetness on alsa. what emulator is fceu? | 09:10 |
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| soleblaze | fceu is nes iirc | 09:10 |
| myren_ | do any snes emulators work well enough? | 09:11 |
| myren_ | hmm i cant wait to "borrow" some upnp code | 09:12 |
| Tak | fceu is nes | 09:13 |
| Tak | I haven't started on a snes emu yet | 09:13 |
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| MDK | koen: yeah, I'm actually working on it. | 10:12 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:14 |
| inz | morn | 10:16 |
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| kulve | yet another wrapper for osso-screenshot-tool: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/17/maemo-screen-grabber/ | 10:20 |
| c0ffee | moin | 10:21 |
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| pyhimys | I got my N800 few days ago, does anyone know is it possible to run the mobile-phone setup wizard again? I lost my setters for Elisa (finnish telco) gprs and now it doesn't work :( | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | pyhimys: on the 770, open Connection Manager, "Mobile setup wizard..." is under the menu somewhere | 10:44 |
| pyhimys | Jaffa: have to try that out, thanks :) | 10:46 |
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| tigert | yea, its in the same place afaik | 10:50 |
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| pyhimys | Found it, and it worked like a charm. Thanks again! | 10:52 |
| keesj | jacques, | 10:52 |
| keesj | oops | 10:52 |
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| pyhimys | (I just had to restart the crappy phone to get it work) | 10:53 |
| keesj | Jaffa, How is the trunk/build/sources.list generated? | 10:55 |
| pyhimys | Hadn't found the menu before, it opened from ... the menu hardware button. I still have some ui to learn from the damn thing. | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | keesj: /etc/apt/sources.list is copied, and then any Debian-sourced packages have their source lines added to the copy | 10:56 |
| keesj | and the debian does not have an amrel binary | 10:57 |
| keesj | so perhaps we need to remove the binary packages? | 10:58 |
| Jaffa | keesj: it adds both the "deb" and "deb-src" lines so it can try and get build dependencies if possible. | 10:58 |
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| keesj | and what is the <deb-src>http://ftp.debian.org/ stable main</deb-src> field in the mud file? | 11:00 |
| Jaffa | keesj: that's the bit which is suffixed to the 'deb' and 'deb-src' lines added to build/sources.list | 11:00 |
| Jaffa | If missing, it'll default to Debian etch (current testing), since that seemed to match Maemo 2.1's core fairly closely | 11:01 |
| keesj | I found lua on http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/liblua50 it would prefer a newer version but how can I build that one? | 11:04 |
| Guardian | morning all | 11:05 |
| keesj | I't alright if you don't have time :) | 11:05 |
| Jaffa | keesj: two options: 1) see if Debian testing or unstable have later versions; 2) go to the upstream source | 11:05 |
| keesj | btw the one minute shopping my girlfriend has won will happen in one hour | 11:05 |
| dottedmag | keesj: s/stable/testing/. Here is 5.1 | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | keesj: got a fully planned route? | 11:06 |
| keesj | yes , but we don't know the full rules so we will need to improvise | 11:06 |
| keesj | the shop is open so I don't know how it will happen | 11:07 |
| keesj | I will try to make a movie :) | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | :) | 11:07 |
| koen | MDK: cool, I can't wait to try it out :) | 11:07 |
| koen | good morning all | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | lo koen | 11:09 |
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| zbenjamin | hello @ all | 11:12 |
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| zbenjamin | what is the url for the maemo svn / cvs repository? | 11:13 |
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| [mbm] | hmm is it just me or do these things really need a better wireless driver | 11:13 |
| zbenjamin | [mbm], whats the problem? | 11:15 |
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| [mbm] | zbenjamin: wifi connection is constantly giving 'network error' | 11:17 |
| [mbm] | I can get it connected but within 10 minutes it gets disconnected | 11:17 |
| [mbm] | probably a wpa supplicant issue | 11:18 |
| [mbm] | earlier I managed to detect one of the access points, attempt to connect, get a network error, and then wifi wouldn't work until I switched to offline mode | 11:19 |
| [mbm] | refused to even display any access points | 11:19 |
| zbenjamin | [mbm], i have a similar problem. I'm in an environment with more than one Hotspots. The nokia is working okay but when the connection to the hotspot is decreasing the nokia does not switch to the hotspot with the better connection. And i have to reconnect by hand | 11:20 |
| zbenjamin | [mbm], it2005 or it2006? | 11:21 |
| [mbm] | it's an 800 - it2007 | 11:21 |
| zbenjamin | i have the problem wit th 770 | 11:21 |
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| [mbm] | and it hasn't moved more than a few inches in the last hour | 11:21 |
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| zbenjamin | [mbm], the nokia i speak about is used as a teminal in a hospital for our softwaresystem and it is mounted on the wall. But the connection dies and they have to reconnect by hand. | 11:22 |
| [mbm] | there's about 10 aps in the area but it's only configured for one about 5 feet away | 11:22 |
| [mbm] | I'd hate to think of what would happen if I brougt it to the office (wifi company, over 700 ssids broadcasted) | 11:23 |
| zbenjamin | ouch | 11:23 |
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| andrew165 | Is the developer maillist down? | 11:24 |
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| [mbm] | it's just a simple wpa+tkip .. not even going to think of degrading myself to wep to resolve the connection issues | 11:25 |
| Tak | not sure - I haven't gotten a mail since wed | 11:25 |
| [mbm] | I'd go wpa2+aes if I thought it could handle it | 11:25 |
| andrew165 | Tak - seems strange the list is usually quite active for no emails since wednesday | 11:25 |
| Tak | indeed | 11:25 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:26 |
| andrew165 | Just thought i'd check here didn't want to send test emails onto the list | 11:26 |
| koen | http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/327 | 11:26 |
| koen | bottom part | 11:26 |
| koen | "PS: This update will be sent to the maemo-developers list as soon as it's working again." | 11:26 |
| [mbm] | wow, ping times are > 8000ms | 11:27 |
| Tak | very nice @ koen | 11:27 |
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| *** c0ffee changes topic to "Maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Mailinglist is currently down | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Search: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search/ | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram | New image: http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800 (Win users: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010) | 2007ish release plans for the 770: h" | 11:34 | |
| *** c0ffee changes topic to "Maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Mailinglist is currently down | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Search: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search/ | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram | New image: http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800 (Win users: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010) | http://tinyurl.com/yf2xhh" | 11:34 | |
| c0ffee | the topic is getting a bit long :) | 11:34 |
| * Tak changes the topic to: Maemo | 11:36 | |
| Jaffa | The maemo.org links is presumably superfluous: Google is your friend. | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin could add the archive link to the search page, and then just need the search URL | 11:36 |
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| Tak | or vice versa | 11:36 |
| Tak | but yeah | 11:36 |
| c0ffee | from that point of view, most links in the topic are superfluous | 11:37 |
| Tak | or, the topic could be a url containing the full topic ;-) | 11:38 |
| koen | what's this 'google' people keep talking about when I ask questions? | 11:38 |
| c0ffee | google.com/search?q=google :) | 11:39 |
| Fatal | Sorry, Google does not serve more than 1000 results for any query. (You asked for results starting from 1784570.) :( | 11:40 |
| c0ffee | oh | 11:40 |
| c0ffee | i just got a mail from m-d | 11:41 |
| Tak | "Developers: m-d is down..." | 11:42 |
| c0ffee | Re: Flash Player 9 | 11:43 |
| Tak | yeah, I got it too | 11:43 |
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| c0ffee | hum | 11:45 |
| c0ffee | i think it's not down any longer | 11:45 |
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| X-Fade | bergie: ping? | 12:18 |
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| florian_ | good morning | 12:22 |
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| p13 | damn, i have to admit | 12:26 |
| p13 | gizmo works pretty well | 12:26 |
| p13 | i thought it would never pan out | 12:26 |
| p13 | except for the initial delay you get when you answer/place a call, it's pretty useable | 12:26 |
| nnod | p13: on the n800? | 12:27 |
| p13 | 770 | 12:27 |
| p13 | i don't own an n800 | 12:27 |
| p13 | i'd like to try one before i'd buy | 12:27 |
| p13 | but seeing as i live in belgium, i don't think that's likely to happen | 12:28 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 13:00 |
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| osfameron | gah, the osso RSS reader really is a buggy piece of rubbish | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | osso-* really tend to be Not Great. | 13:35 |
| osfameron | but it's the bundled rss reader! | 13:35 |
| osfameron | I'm rather disappointed | 13:35 |
| osfameron | is there a worthy replacement? (that's already ported to N800) | 13:35 |
| dottedmag | osfameron: I started to adapt recent liferea to 770 (to replace osso-rss-feed-reader, it seems possible), but given up. | 13:36 |
| osfameron | hmm, writing my own rss reader isn't an itch I particularly want to scratch | 13:36 |
| dottedmag | If there is enough interest, I think it might be done. | 13:36 |
| osfameron | though Icould try with plagger and perl :-) | 13:36 |
| dottedmag | plagger? | 13:36 |
| osfameron | dottedmag: well, I'll happily beta and bug report if that's any help | 13:36 |
| dottedmag | ah | 13:36 |
| osfameron | dottedmag: it's a nice (trendy) library for handling RSS in Perl | 13:37 |
| * dottedmag prefer feedparser and python :) | 13:37 | |
| dottedmag | *prefers | 13:37 |
| osfameron | I'm sure they're very good too | 13:37 |
| osfameron | but I'm handier on Perl | 13:37 |
| osfameron | in fact I think I've heard perl bods complimenting feedparser.py as a rather good implementation of an RSS library | 13:38 |
| osfameron | but Plagger is (allegedly) pretty good | 13:38 |
| dottedmag | Ok. I'd probably create garage project (is SVN or mercurial provided?) for porting recent liferea and try to attract another osso-rss-feed-reader-haters :) | 13:39 |
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| osfameron | dottedmag: yeah, it probably makes sense. I don't have the skills in that area, but I have enough hate to contribute | 13:40 |
| osfameron | 1) it crashes on some feeds, 2) the rendering is so slow and jerky as to make scrolling not work for large feeds | 13:40 |
| kulve | first feed I tried to read was planet.maemo.org's and it crashes the osso reader.. | 13:41 |
| dottedmag | :) | 13:41 |
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| dottedmag | Ok, then I probably would start from scratch and patch what's needed, rather than try to port all the patches from osso- and remove unneeded. There is large bunch of code dealing with network connections and I don't want to audit it all | 13:42 |
| osfameron | yeah, looks like planet.maemo crashed mine too | 13:42 |
| osfameron | but so do other feeds. Will it have written logs to somewhere? | 13:42 |
| dottedmag | dunno. | 13:43 |
| kulve | there is Nokia-N800-51:/home/user/.osso_rss_feed_reader, but no files looking like a log | 13:45 |
| dottedmag | osfameron: what's the version of N800's osso-rss-feed-reader? | 13:45 |
| kulve | ii osso-rss-feed-reader 1.3.50-2 OSSO RSS Reader | 13:45 |
| osfameron | I don't know how to check. oh, kulve did it :-) | 13:45 |
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| kulve | ii osso-rss-feed-reader-lib 1.3.49-3 OSSO RSS Reader Library | 13:45 |
| dottedmag | well. it's 1.2.31 on 770. | 13:46 |
| dottedmag | kulve: osfameron: could you request all the GPL/LGPL source code from Nokia and share it? | 13:46 |
| dottedmag | It requires only written request. | 13:46 |
| dottedmag | As Henry did it for 770: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/ | 13:47 |
| osfameron | he doesn't say who he wrote to at Nokia | 13:47 |
| osfameron | what is "osso" by the way? | 13:48 |
| dottedmag | osfameron: just a free-formed "I have N800 which contains binary packages covered by GPL and LGPL. Please provide source code for them". | 13:49 |
| dottedmag | kulve: maybe you could? | 13:50 |
| kulve | is that rss reader (L)GPL or something closed? | 13:51 |
| dottedmag | kulve: it is based on liferea (GPL) | 13:52 |
| dottedmag | kulve: but heavily patched | 13:52 |
| koen | http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/maemo/unpacked/osso-rss-feed-reader_1.2.31-1.tar.gz | 13:52 |
| dottedmag | koen: it's from 770 | 13:52 |
| koen | dottedmag: ? | 13:52 |
| dottedmag | s/770/ITOS2006/ | 13:52 |
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| koen | it's the source | 13:53 |
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| koen | I doubt it was created on the 770 | 13:53 |
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| suihkulokki | I think the term is lobotomized, not patched | 13:53 |
| dottedmag | koen: yes, I know. It's the same version as on hsivonen.iki.fi | 13:53 |
| dottedmag | suihkulokki: well, liferea-0.6.0 was released too long ago. It did not require lobotomizing :) | 13:55 |
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| osfameron | dottedmag: sorry, rather busy now, if you would like me to contact nokia let me know and I'll investigate who I need to contact, but can't do this afternoon :-( | 14:00 |
| dottedmag | osfameron: it's ok, don't hurry :) | 14:02 |
| osfameron | ok, I'll ping later when I've got a chance. I'll also check maemo bugzilla and submit some reports if they're not dups | 14:03 |
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| Guard][an | hmm anyone came up with a solution for the pkg-config problem ? | 14:09 |
| Guard][an | i did not try to fix it since i raised the bug (which is not assigned yet by the way ...) | 14:09 |
| kulve | the installer seems the fix it by creating a dummy pkg-config package | 14:10 |
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| kulve | OSSO (Open Source Software Operations) | 14:21 |
| jonek | hi, if I use obc on my 770 for OBEX, I get an error: Connecting to channel 2 on <BTAddr> | 14:22 |
| jonek | *** glibc detected *** realloc(): invalid next size: 0x00030758 *** | 14:22 |
| dottedmag | Is there valgrind port? :) | 14:23 |
| dottedmag | I see only _i386 at repository.maemo.org | 14:23 |
| dottedmag | found it | 14:24 |
| kulve | you did..? | 14:25 |
| Guard][an | kulve: but i didn't want to use the installer script because I already had apophis targets | 14:25 |
| kulve | Guard][an: yep. Figure out how the scripts does it and mimic it ;) | 14:25 |
| dottedmag | kulve: found the explanations why it does not exist :) | 14:25 |
| kulve | dottedmag: ok :) | 14:26 |
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| Guard][an | kulve: yep sure, i was just a bit disapointed to have taken time to fill in a proper bug report that nobody seems to care about :) | 14:26 |
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| c0ffee | people care about them | 14:32 |
| c0ffee | it just takes some time to process them | 14:32 |
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| greentux | hi florian | 14:59 |
| florian | hi greentux | 14:59 |
| greentux | florian: any news about delivery? | 14:59 |
| florian | greentux: no idea, but i'll poke the responsible ones :-) | 15:00 |
| greentux | florian: tnx | 15:00 |
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| keesj | the result of the 1 minute free shopping(200 euro) http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/Photo-0148.jpg | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | Cool. Did she have fun? | 15:21 |
| keesj | I was fun , but not a much as we anticipated , we where only allowed one item per cateogry | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | Ah. Presumably they wouldn't have done it if they didn't have strict rules to make sure you didn't empty the most expensive shelves. | 15:21 |
| keesj | and we wanted to grab tons of the same thing (alcohol ,chocola) | 15:22 |
| keesj | But is was really funny | 15:22 |
| keesj | that is a 25 euro champain bottle | 15:23 |
| Jaffa | wow | 15:23 |
| Jaffa | Looks nice :) | 15:23 |
| jtra | keesj: seems too expensive for 200 euro | 15:23 |
| jtra | but I'm from cheap country :) | 15:23 |
| dottedmag | jtra: is it cheap to live in Czech? | 15:24 |
| keesj | we aimed at a few hunder euro's but did not make it | 15:24 |
| Juhaz | aCiDBaSe, ping | 15:24 |
| aCiDBaSe | pong | 15:25 |
| * dottedmag looks for the good country tor live. | 15:25 | |
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| Juhaz | the new stdlib sqlite3 module doesn't seem to work in python 2.5 | 15:25 |
| Juhaz | intentional? bug? | 15:25 |
| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: let me see here | 15:26 |
| jtra | dottedmag: depends on which countries do you compare | 15:26 |
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| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: what is the problem? | 15:27 |
| jtra | dottedmag: I like it here, but Czech is hard for forigners | 15:27 |
| Juhaz | aCiDBaSe, I don't have the device here at the moment, but IIRC, it was complaining about missing the low-level _sqlite3 wrapper | 15:28 |
| dottedmag | jtra: yes? I personally know several ppl who from Russia to Czech and don't want to return :) | 15:28 |
| dottedmag | s/who/who relocated/ | 15:28 |
| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: this is a known issue (ok, it's a bug :) ) | 15:28 |
| jtra | dottedmag: Czech should be easy for Russians, even more for people from Ukraine | 15:29 |
| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: are you testing on 770 or n800? | 15:29 |
| Juhaz | 770 | 15:30 |
| aCiDBaSe | ok... I see the problem... | 15:30 |
| dottedmag | jtra: yep, language is just like someone smoked speak Russian. I think it's also the same vica versa :) | 15:31 |
| jtra | I can understand a bit Russian despite no efort invested in learning. I have been to Ukraine for two weeks about ten years ago and lernt the russian alphabet there so can even read it :-) | 15:34 |
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| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: the sqlite3 module won't work on the device because the sqlite in 770/n800 is incompatible with the sqlite3 required by python :( | 15:40 |
| dottedmag | aCiDBaSe: well, maybe then it's better to disable this module? | 15:41 |
| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: look the python setup.py: MIN_SQLITE_VERSION_NUMBER = (3, 0, 8) | 15:41 |
| aCiDBaSe | dottedmag: yes... i'll do it | 15:41 |
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| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: and the sqlite available in maemo: #define SQLITE_VERSION "2.8.13" | 15:42 |
| dottedmag | aCiDBaSe: ah. sqlite2 and sqlite3 may coexist happily | 15:42 |
| aCiDBaSe | dottedmag: I'll try to make a sqlite3 package and a python2.5-sqlite with the sqlite3 modules | 15:43 |
| dottedmag | aCiDBaSe: there is some port already: http://www.ehore.com/apps/it2006/ | 15:43 |
| dottedmag | probably someone should build a Good Version and put it into Extras | 15:44 |
| dottedmag | another one sqlite3 is at https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=30 :) | 15:44 |
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| Juhaz | while at it, any chance you could somehow disable building/inclusion of the worthless pure python part of the module into python-runtime if the C side isn't available? | 15:44 |
| dottedmag | third one sqlite3 http://eko.one.pl/maemo/index.php?path=dists%2Fmistral%2Fuser%2Fbinary-armel/ :) | 15:45 |
| aCiDBaSe | Juhaz: yes... I will do it... | 15:45 |
| aCiDBaSe | dottedmag: there are dozens of sqlite3 packages for maemo :) | 15:46 |
| aCiDBaSe | dottedmag: we've to find a good one | 15:46 |
| dwd | aCiDBaSe: Ah, an "official" pysqlite package would be useful. I should really do pyOpenSSL for it too. | 15:48 |
| chx | 2.8.13 is available default in maemo? | 15:48 |
| chx | good news. | 15:48 |
| aCiDBaSe | chx: Nokia770-39:~# dpkg -l | grep sqlite | 15:51 |
| aCiDBaSe | ii libsqlite0 2.8.13-2 SQLite shared library | 15:51 |
| chx | yay | 15:55 |
| chx | mysqlclient :) ? | 15:56 |
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| dottedmag | chx: and postgresql server :) | 15:57 |
| aCiDBaSe | :) | 15:57 |
| chx | http://guymage.net/index.php/2006/06/15/49-mysql-libraries-for-nokia-770-it-2006-and-maemo-20 | 15:57 |
| chx | hmmmmmmmm | 15:57 |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to shut of the display while listen to the internet radio ? | 16:40 |
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| pahartik | |tbb|: at least Audio Player of Maemo 2.1 does let display get switched off while playing AAC content | 16:47 |
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| kulve | there's a function to postpone dimming another 60secs, but that's only postponing. I think the dimming can be done e.g. by setting something under /proc or /sys | 16:52 |
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| minra | a display on/off applet or script might be nice | 16:53 |
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| c0ffee | the setting is controllable via gconf iirc | 16:54 |
| minra | ! | 16:55 |
| keesj | tigert, /me got one of those wii controllers for 39 euro!! | 17:01 |
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| minra | can you use it with a pc? | 17:04 |
| Tak | screw pc, can you use it with a 770?! | 17:04 |
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| keesj | minra, apparently yes, http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote | 17:09 |
| keesj | I should work on the nokia I would say :) | 17:09 |
| keesj | there is even a speaker on it! | 17:10 |
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| koen | keesj: http://pigeond.net/?cat=flightgear&comments=fg-wiimote | 17:10 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: I must apologise for spending more time prettificating the mud-builder website last night than applying your patches. But I've worked out what needs to happen to auto-remove documentation from resulting debs - ruby dropped down to just 1.9MB then. | 17:12 |
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| keesj | I am not allowed to open the remote before I fix xmoto rendering | 17:16 |
| keesj | Jaffa, Nice, | 17:16 |
| keesj | I hope that my work helps making mud more "fool proof" | 17:17 |
| |tbb| | how to simulate esc button in vi on the N? | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | keesj: indeed it does - it's very much appreciated. | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: backwards G under the d-pad is escape. | 17:18 |
| keesj | I was thinking that perhaps we need to put the svn mud file version number in the final build number the number after the version number | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | keesj: a good thought. I'd wondered what do to about that, nice and simple. | 17:18 |
| keesj | I am going to open that box pretty soon I just know it | 17:19 |
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| minra | mud? multi user dungeon? | 17:20 |
| keesj | yes , I will write a mud controller for the mud-builder :p | 17:21 |
| keesj | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | minra: not exactly ;-) http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ - it's a much more boring autobuilder. | 17:22 |
| keesj | The site looks very web 2.0 ish | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | keesj: nah, this is full blown Web 3.6 ;-) | 17:23 |
| Tak | nah, if it was web 2.0 I'd still be waiting for the text to load via ajax | 17:24 |
| Tak | and I would be able to drag the paragraphs around to different spots | 17:24 |
| keesj | last week I created a gwt (google web toolkit) based cdrom, it really works pretty dam well | 17:24 |
| koen | html 2.0 is much better than web 2.0 :) | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I've not played with GWT yet, the concept and tools look very interesting though | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Your doctype tag has a problem though :) | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | koen: Unfortunately XHTML 2.0's just living in bizarro land | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ooh, yeah. | 17:25 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: fixed, thanks | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade; interestingly, validator.w3.org didn't complain | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Weird ;) | 17:27 |
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| keesj | Jaffa, I was really nice to be able to program with real concepts (maps ,sets collections widgets etc) and for application type apps is great (if you know java that is) | 17:29 |
| keesj | type apps it is great | 17:29 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: indeed. I've been playing with Groovy on Grails recently: all the power + more of Ruby on Rails, with less of the hype and the J2EE deployment model (with Java-like syntax and full interoperability with existing Java classes) | 17:30 |
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| keesj | this is what the cdrom looks like http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/cdrom.png it is a proof that ajax apps can also be ugly, (but it matched the latex document) | 17:33 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: so there was no server at all? *Everything* was translated to JavaScript and run client-side? | 17:33 |
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| keesj | yes , it is on a cdrom | 17:34 |
| keesj | I cheated a bit by also shipping http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable with the cdrom and a windows autostart thing | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | HEH | 17:36 |
| keesj | and it works on the 770 (but quite slow) | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | bah, heh | 17:36 |
| minra | nice idea that portable firefox | 17:37 |
| minra | anybody using vmplayer+linux or qemu+linux on a usb stick? | 17:38 |
| keesj | IE did not allow the javascript thing to run on the cdrom , | 17:39 |
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| Tak | you mean...IE has severe limitations?! | 17:40 |
| dottedmag | Tak: they call it 'security' | 17:40 |
| keesj | dottedmag, no it was not really (only) a security issue i suspect that IE handeld some files differently based on the extention. | 17:43 |
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| keesj | I just tested it again on the 770 it takes a while to start but after that it really works fast | 17:44 |
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| Tak | hmm - so the only way to update your garage project homepage is to commit to svn/www ? | 17:52 |
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| Jaffa | Tak: correct. | 17:55 |
| Tak | interesting | 17:55 |
| keesj | perhaps you can install a php based file manager :) | 17:56 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: :) | 17:56 |
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| keesj | Jaffa, but can you try to show me how lua can be mudded from the non stable debian .deb source? | 18:00 |
| keesj | lua 5.1 for example (I tried downloading the upstream source but that is not configure based) | 18:00 |
| konfoo | hmmm anyone seen reports of bad card readers on the 800? | 18:01 |
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| konfoo | anyone used this vistamax ide? | 18:06 |
| konfoo | looks interesting.. | 18:06 |
| minra | ... | 18:08 |
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| sbaturzio | ok, the N800 is arrived yesterday, played all night with it: really a nice toy. Now is time to start the real thing: is there on the Net a tutorial on how to write small apps for it and upload on the N800? | 18:10 |
| Tak | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 18:11 |
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| nelson | sbaturzio: tutorial in what language? C, of course, but Python also. | 18:13 |
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| sbaturzio | well...let start with the easier one ;-) | 18:13 |
| Tak | C it is | 18:14 |
| nelson | Ahhhhh, that would be Python. ;-) | 18:14 |
| wumpus | hehe, setting up the scratchbox/sdk seems tricky enough | 18:14 |
| sbaturzio | scratchbox is on | 18:14 |
| wumpus | I think I at least got the steps right now | 18:15 |
| sbaturzio | just tried to install it before N800 arrived | 18:15 |
| wumpus | nice | 18:15 |
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| sbaturzio | I'm working under Debian | 18:15 |
| wumpus | well it's actually quite easy, but also easy to forget some step | 18:15 |
| wumpus | i now need this virtual x server thingy | 18:16 |
| wumpus | ah xephyr | 18:16 |
| sbaturzio | wumpus: exactly | 18:16 |
| zuh | I wrote an app that launches a window the video of the camera on N800 today on the train. With python. Using notes. Try doing that with C ;) | 18:16 |
| zuh | ..window with the video... | 18:16 |
| sbaturzio | zuh: python is much more easy than C, I agree | 18:16 |
| wumpus | :) | 18:16 |
| wumpus | so you can program n800 on the n800, that's fun | 18:17 |
| wumpus | I wouldn't try installing the C toolchain on it :) | 18:17 |
| sbaturzio | zuh: but is powerful like C on Maemo? | 18:17 |
| dottedmag | wumpus: should be possible, if you mount /usr/lib/ and /usr/include to memory card. | 18:17 |
| wumpus | indeed :) | 18:18 |
| wumpus | it's really a nice device | 18:18 |
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| * minra puts on his envy-suppression helmet | 18:18 | |
| wumpus | no fooling around with java micro edition, just a standard linux env | 18:18 |
| dottedmag | minra: ? | 18:19 |
| zuh | sbaturzio: For small apps the difference is not meaningful, maybe you see it on startup but I wouldn't worry about it... | 18:19 |
| zuh | N800 has a lot more juice than 770 | 18:19 |
| sbaturzio | zuh: sure | 18:20 |
| sbaturzio | especially the cam | 18:20 |
| Tak | minra: is it made of tinfoil? | 18:20 |
| sbaturzio | is there an app for scanning barcode with the cam? | 18:20 |
| wumpus | mm you could probably port one | 18:20 |
| nelson | Hehe. That would be pretty sweet. | 18:21 |
| * Tak pictures walmart replacing all their POS terminals with n800s | 18:22 | |
| dwd | Tak: Scanning ingredients as you use them to create an automated shopping list would be quite handy. If a tad geeky. | 18:23 |
| minra | there should be industry specific problems just waiting for the n770 / n800 | 18:25 |
| wumpus | you could use the N800 to build a robot to do the shopping for you, now that would be geeky :p | 18:26 |
| minra | might be money in a consulting/dev firm specialized in customizing nokia tablets | 18:26 |
| wumpus | indeed, it has a lot of possiblities | 18:26 |
| Tak | a robot that looks like a dog? ;-) | 18:26 |
| wumpus | :') | 18:26 |
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| [A]ndy80 | hi | 18:27 |
| ajturner | wumpus/dwd - imagine being able to specify your "menu" at a computer, then get to the grocery store and pull up the items you need to pick up to cook your menu | 18:28 |
| wumpus | woot I got the hello_maemo program to work, at least on the emulator, now for the device :) | 18:29 |
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| wumpus | hehe could be useful for people that tend to forget things | 18:30 |
| osfameron | vi is not really optimized to be used on a tablet... | 18:31 |
| osfameron | I guess most people using it have a bluetooth keyboard | 18:31 |
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| wumpus | joy, then you need to carry around the nice small device and a huge bt keyboard :) | 18:33 |
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| Tak | still better than a laptop | 18:33 |
| wumpus | seriously, what is a good bt keyboard that works with it? | 18:35 |
| ajturner | FrogPad works w/ the 770 | 18:36 |
| Tak | the two people always mention are the nokia su-8w and the stowaway sierra | 18:36 |
| osfameron | wumpus: people recommend the think outside stowaway above nokia's own keyboard | 18:36 |
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| user_ | Hello | 18:38 |
| Disconnect | osfameron: make it 3, i love my stowaway | 18:39 |
| biscuit | Hi I got some problem, whenI am wanting to install xterm on my nokia 770 (with usb) and want than to install it, suddendly the packages are 0 kb big and it wouldnt recognize them...any ideas? | 18:39 |
| biscuit | hi user_ | 18:39 |
| bhima | I like my stowaway, I just need to get it repaired. A pin fell out. | 18:39 |
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| biscuit | or how are you all installing xterm normaly? | 18:41 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 18:41 |
| keesj | biscuit, perhaps disk full? It can also be that the file is larger but that you are looking a the dialog telling how much disk space the package will use and that this value is not entered properly | 18:42 |
| s-ndh-c | switch to redpill mode and install from file? | 18:42 |
| s-ndh-c | or maybe its even in the user section so you can just install it from file | 18:42 |
| osfameron | Disconnect: cool. I haven't got one, but I think I need one ;-) | 18:42 |
| biscuit | I am sure that I got enough space free, so this is a little bit strange | 18:42 |
| s-ndh-c | or just add the repo that should be enough if its in the user section | 18:42 |
| keesj | biscuit, also I saw that the default file system will not allow opened files to be overriden | 18:42 |
| biscuit | s-ndh-c how can I switch to redpill? | 18:43 |
| s-ndh-c | biscuit: go where you add new repos | 18:43 |
| s-ndh-c | and enter matrix for the repo url | 18:43 |
| s-ndh-c | then press the cancel button | 18:43 |
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| littlefae | Hi there peeps | 18:43 |
| kulve | biscuit: it's in the wiki | 18:43 |
| biscuit | ok than I will look there | 18:44 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah | 18:44 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 18:44 |
| littlefae | Is there anything more than a list of 'contents of n800 box' in the wiki too? :) My question is about the internal workings. :) | 18:44 |
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| kulve | littlefae: something like: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/nokia-n800-guts.html | 18:45 |
| biscuit | but there is some other question..in the wiki is staying that you must be root to run xterm ore something like that, now, is it very dangerous to flash my device and enable r & d mode? because the one I saw at maemo was not so good looking the nokia 700. | 18:46 |
| s-ndh-c | biscuit: see howbecomeroot2 document | 18:46 |
| biscuit | thx | 18:46 |
| s-ndh-c | it explains howto gain rooti without switching to r&d mode | 18:47 |
| s-ndh-c | via ssh | 18:47 |
| minra | i do the sudo gainroot method | 18:47 |
| s-ndh-c | worked like a charm for me | 18:47 |
| biscuit | cool :) | 18:47 |
| s-ndh-c | i think the second release of 2006os has ssh preinstalled but maybe iam wrong not sure | 18:48 |
| s-ndh-c | if not follow the instructions and install dropbear | 18:48 |
| kulve | I think none of the releases has had ssh preinstalled | 18:48 |
| s-ndh-c | which is a lightweight ssh server preferedly used for embeded devices | 18:48 |
| Tak | iirc it does not have ssh | 18:48 |
| s-ndh-c | Tak: ok iam wrong then | 18:48 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 18:48 |
| littlefae | LOL | 18:48 |
| s-ndh-c | but it adds ssh to some metapackage | 18:48 |
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| s-ndh-c | as it wants to uninstall half of the os for a apt-get remove --purge ssh | 18:49 |
| littlefae | They call a circuit board 'geek porn' Wow some people need to get out more. :) | 18:49 |
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| s-ndh-c | i somehow screwed my ssh | 18:50 |
| s-ndh-c | and now i cant uninstall | 18:50 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe i can do it via dpkg directly | 18:50 |
| s-ndh-c | all i want is purge all config files and reinstall | 18:51 |
| s-ndh-c | any ideas? | 18:51 |
| littlefae | I seem to recall having a similar problem when trying to remove ssh.. | 18:51 |
| dwd | littlefae: That circuit board - big capacitors? | 18:52 |
| s-ndh-c | my client allways says server hostkey verification failed | 18:52 |
| littlefae | Didn't help, dwd. :) | 18:52 |
| s-ndh-c | and doesnt let me connect | 18:52 |
| littlefae | I wanted to know what the CPU was, and what speed | 18:52 |
| littlefae | No site seems to know. | 18:52 |
| s-ndh-c | littlefae: buy the thing and open xterm and viola you will have access to all those informations | 18:53 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 18:53 |
| biscuit | s-ndh-c..in my eyes the two methods make boot root with this R&D mode..so is it very bad for my device, when I let this R&D mode activate? | 18:53 |
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| jpetersen | 18:53 | |
| biscuit | *both | 18:53 |
| dwd | jpetersen: Exactly. | 18:53 |
| Jaffa | biscuit: you don't need R&D mode to use Xterm (which is what you said earlier, didn't you)? | 18:53 |
| jpetersen | + | 18:54 |
| dwd | jpetersen: Well, I think you're going a little *too* far there. | 18:54 |
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| biscuit | jaffa I read that If I want to run programms I will need this xterm and root rights .(like bash ) | 18:54 |
| jpetersen | ah, sorry ;) | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | biscuit: where did you read it? And what do you want to do? | 18:55 |
| biscuit | I want to run some linux command line tools | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | biscuit: Some advanced trickery requires root which you can get one of 3 ways: 1) R&D mode; 2) install SSH and ssh root@localhost; 3) install the "becomeroot" package which modifies the restrictions | 18:55 |
| littlefae | s-ndh-c: I'm getting one for free anyway, I was merely curious. :) | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | biscuit: You can install and run Xterm and many unix commands as a normal user without root access | 18:56 |
| littlefae | Personally, I am quite smitten with my 770, a lil slow at times, but very nice, and its mine proper, now. | 18:57 |
| minra | littlefae - do you get comments when using it in public? | 18:57 |
| littlefae | Yes I do as a matter of fact | 18:58 |
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| littlefae | Stuff like: Ooh, thats the internet tablet or, hey, wheres the windows menu or, ooh, thats an interesting phone | 18:58 |
| wumpus | it's more like a pda than anything, really | 18:59 |
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| littlefae | I refer to it as my 'Pocket Computer' | 18:59 |
| littlefae | I use Xournal for note-taking, GPE calendar for dates etc, and OpenTTD for amusement. Not to mention the MP3 player | 19:00 |
| [A]ndy80 | does anyone of you use the N770 GPS Navigation Kit? | 19:00 |
| littlefae | I did see and touch it, for a brief ten mins, does that count? | 19:00 |
| littlefae | Guess not. ;) | 19:05 |
| littlefae | Found my information! :D Slightly dismayed at the CPU though, its only 320MHz | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | "only". | 19:06 |
| littlefae | Well the 770 is supposed to be 266MHz, according to the same site, so it isn't that much faster | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | Until the Mac mini was released, by desktop was an AMD K6-2 350MHz, with a StrongARM @ 200MHz being regularly used too. | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: the 770's ~252MHz | 19:07 |
| Tak | I feel your pain @ k6-2 | 19:07 |
| Juhaz | I see the megahertz myth is still going strong | 19:07 |
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| littlefae | Still, not that much of an improvement, given that most PocketPC's sport a 400Mhz Xscale | 19:07 |
| hub | very string | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: XScale's got a much longer pipeline than OMAP IIRC | 19:08 |
| hub | I have a Pentium M 1.73 GHz that is faster than the Sempron at 2.2GHz | 19:08 |
| hub | so much for the MHz myth | 19:08 |
| littlefae | Okay, I'll rephrase; my 770 feels slow, and takes a moment or two to draw GUI elements on screen. I don't forsee a ~100Mhz speed hike improving it by much | 19:08 |
| Jaffa | 320MHz ARMs can do a lot. It's just a) too much reliance on many layers of non-optimised frameworks which b) never optimise for ARM | 19:08 |
| ||cw | hub: sempron is more like a celeron | 19:09 |
| Juhaz | littlefae, the point is, it's not the same CPU, so 100MHz alone doesn't tell you anything at all about the total speedup | 19:10 |
| hub | ||cw: does not matter, it just discard the MHz myth | 19:10 |
| littlefae | Ahh, see I assumed it was the same CPU, hence my 'myth' :p | 19:10 |
| ||cw | hub: that myth was discarded when 1.6Ghz amd's became faster than 2.8Ghz p4's | 19:11 |
| littlefae | My other Linux handheld though still has the better CPU. :) | 19:11 |
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| SyntaxNinja | I'm really excited to see the Nokia N800. I think I might get one. you guys rock. | 19:13 |
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| littlefae | I dunno, it doesn't look as nice as the 770.. doesn't appear to have any visible cover for it.. | 19:14 |
| minra | littlefae, what handheld? | 19:14 |
| littlefae | GP2X by Gamepark Holdings. That little poodle can run PC DivX files without transcoding. :) | 19:15 |
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| nelson | littlefae: turns out you don't need the cover. screen is very sturdy, and you can lock the buttons. | 19:15 |
| minra | i am running divx on the 770 now | 19:15 |
| minra | but not all run | 19:15 |
| SyntaxNinja | I have a couple of questions that I hoped someone here might know offhand and save me tons of googling: can the aspect of the screen be rotated for easier reading? | 19:15 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: looks like ssvb'll be able to get mplayer to do the same on the N800 with mplayer | 19:15 |
| littlefae | Yeah, but it needs special resolutions, bitrates etc etc. | 19:15 |
| littlefae | on the 770, I mean | 19:16 |
| SyntaxNinja | does the webcam provide a /dev/video? I'm wondering if I can reasonably expect to be able to port a C application that reads /dev/video | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | SyntaxNinja: yes, but only on an app-by-app basis. i.e. FBReader does it for ebooks (nothing else does, AFAIK) | 19:16 |
| SyntaxNinja | Jaffa: OK. thanks. | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | SyntaxNinja: the N800's webcam is standard v4l | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | (or v4l2, I forget) | 19:16 |
| bhima | SyntaxNinja: IE: The 770 doesn't rotate its screen, but your app can display any bitmap it wants to. | 19:16 |
| littlefae | minra: On the GP2x, its only requirement is to keep it below 720 pixels wide, I believe. However, I would LOVE to have some working video app on the 770, as its nicer looking | 19:17 |
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| SyntaxNinja | Jaffa: OK, so I'm guessing it'll probably work as I expect... I can never quite keep various Linux video stuff straight, as the webcam apps seem different from the camcorder apps, etc. | 19:17 |
| littlefae | Anyway, didn't come here to talk about the crummy GP2x.. :) And I get good enough MP4 video on the 770 at present. | 19:18 |
| SyntaxNinja | I'm talking about the N800 | 19:18 |
| minra | littlefae, you've got way more resolution on the 770 to cope with than the gp2x, so the 770 has more work to do | 19:18 |
| Juhaz | littlefae, it doesn't have that beefy main cpu, but it has dedicated mpeg decoder chip | 19:18 |
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| SyntaxNinja | how's the calendar app, btw? I'm used to the palmOS one, which is pretty good. I'm thinking of making the jump | 19:21 |
| Jaffa | GPE Calendar's OK, Dates looks promising but is a bit immature. | 19:21 |
| littlefae | GPE Calendar has some bizarre drawing issues with its toolbar, but its serviceable. :) | 19:21 |
| ||cw | just wish ical sync worked | 19:22 |
| littlefae | Where it says 'Jan' it seems to be overprinted | 19:22 |
| littlefae | I do have one q, is there a service for Laser Etching cases? :) | 19:23 |
| littlefae | I fancied getting this design I have laser etched onto the cover. | 19:23 |
| SyntaxNinja | strange... Debian seems to have a bunch of gpe-{todo,contacts,edit} but no calendar. are these the same apps that I could run on Maomo? | 19:23 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: the GPE developers insist it's a bug with Maemo's GTK | 19:23 |
| littlefae | Jaffa: Wouldn't susprise me, isn't the first app to show the bug | 19:24 |
| * Jaffa believes them, just wish they'd work around it ;-) | 19:24 | |
| littlefae | Any idea why they didn't use Trolltech's Qtopia, btw, seems every other Linux handheld does | 19:24 |
| Tak | I'm glad they didn't | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | Cos it's fugly, bloated and unadaptable? | 19:25 |
| littlefae | My old Zaurus did, seemed fine, if a little PocketPC-alike | 19:25 |
| glass | maybe they wanted something of their own | 19:25 |
| * Jaffa 's seen the screenshots of Opie on Maemo and Qt still looks like the mangy lepper cousin of a member of the Addams' family. | 19:25 | |
| SyntaxNinja | if I have a ext3 usb key, can I mount it w/ an N800? :) | 19:26 |
| * Tak agrees wholeheartedly with Jaffa | 19:26 | |
| bhima | Because they wanted a UI that was well-designed for the form factor of the device? | 19:26 |
| Jaffa | SyntaxNinja: USB host seems to be an definitive non-starter on the N800. | 19:26 |
| littlefae | Still, something other than a modified X11 windowserver would have been better, surely, I mean X11 has too many overheads I was told. | 19:26 |
| ||cw | littlefae: Qtopia isn't free for commercial use | 19:26 |
| ssvb | littlefae: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=29798&postcount=288 | 19:26 |
| bhima | is USB on the N800 the same as on the 770? | 19:27 |
| trenka | bhima: no | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: That's untrue, Kdrive is nice and lightweight. | 19:27 |
| SyntaxNinja | Jaffa: OK, good to know. | 19:27 |
| bhima | trenka: how's it different? Can't do host even if you power it? | 19:28 |
| ||cw | littlefae: it's easier to port apps when using x11 | 19:28 |
| trenka | bhima: completly different | 19:28 |
| littlefae | So this 'OMAP2420' is the one in my 770, or GP2x? o.o | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: OMAP2420's in the N800. 770 used the OMAP1710 | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | (I think) | 19:28 |
| littlefae | Ahhh | 19:28 |
| littlefae | So it has video acceleration, and apparently 3d support in some fashion. :o | 19:29 |
| littlefae | Can't wait. :D | 19:29 |
| bhima | trenka: How are its capabilities different? | 19:29 |
| ||cw | bhima: the n800 doens't have the host mode parts wired up | 19:29 |
| trenka | bhima: they are almost the same from the usb connector side, except n800's suupport high speed | 19:30 |
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| trenka | daniels: | 19:30 |
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| bhima | ||cw: I thought that the 770 also didn't have the host mode parts wired up... | 19:31 |
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| littlefae | Call me strange, but why would anyone want their Nokias to have host-mode anyway? You'd need to power it, and there would be some crazy method for that that would surely make it unwieldly.. | 19:32 |
| p13 | battery powered hubs and all | 19:33 |
| p13 | imho, that"s pretty cludgy | 19:33 |
| p13 | but i do understand that some people want external storage | 19:33 |
| p13 | in some way | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: if the power adapter was mass produced, there's no reason it would have to be bigger than a small match box, possibly inline with the cable to the 770 | 19:33 |
| bhima | I'd like a microphone... | 19:33 |
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| bhima | External, wired. | 19:33 |
| p13 | bhima, it has one | 19:33 |
| p13 | bhima, ah | 19:33 |
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| ||cw | bhima: just not power | 19:33 |
| littlefae | Perhaps I just like it for what it already does, and am blinded by its awesomeness. :) | 19:34 |
| littlefae | Makes my friends Dell Axim look like it was built in the stone-age. :D | 19:34 |
| ||cw | it was | 19:34 |
| p13 | littlefae, i like my 770 but really, it does have it's shortcomings | 19:35 |
| littlefae | I love mine, bar one marring factor. :) | 19:35 |
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| littlefae | The screen has this feint rainbow-haze going on | 19:35 |
| ||cw | thats' the touch layer | 19:35 |
| p13 | littlefae, mine has has that forever | 19:35 |
| p13 | and it's unevenly lit | 19:35 |
| p13 | and it has a stuck pixel | 19:35 |
| p13 | (green when it oughta be black) | 19:36 |
| bhima | My 770's browser works very nicely for some web sites, irritatingly poor performance on others, and dies often when I browse random ones. | 19:36 |
| p13 | and it's ghrainy | 19:36 |
| littlefae | No issues with mine, beside the haze, and I think its just the way Nokia make the 770, since my DS doesn't have it, my friends Axim doesn't, and very few other devices do. But its more a niggle than complaint. | 19:37 |
| p13 | i don't mind the rainbow | 19:37 |
| p13 | but i do mind the grainyness | 19:37 |
| p13 | i don't mind the stuck pixel either | 19:37 |
| littlefae | I don't mind it, just that I notice it on white mostly | 19:38 |
| p13 | nor the lighting | 19:38 |
| littlefae | The stuc pixel might be fixable. :) | 19:38 |
| p13 | nope, tried everything | 19:38 |
| p13 | ran those stupid cycle movies | 19:38 |
| p13 | did the pressure tip | 19:38 |
| p13 | etc etc | 19:38 |
| littlefae | I had a tool on my mac for fixing one, that worked.... ahhh.. | 19:38 |
| littlefae | That has to suck, still at least the pixels on the 770 are reeeeealllly tiny, eh? :) | 19:38 |
| p13 | yeah but bright green on black is REALLY obvious :) | 19:39 |
| p13 | i don't mind though | 19:39 |
| p13 | i hardly ever see it since it's lit as well when it's supposed to be white | 19:39 |
| p13 | you only really see it on black or contrasting colors | 19:39 |
| littlefae | I have one on the DS, only noticeable when changing the UI colours though. :) | 19:39 |
| p13 | if the browser wouldn't crash all the time and the email app would actually stop sucking hard vacuum, i'd trust the thing enough for daily work use | 19:40 |
| littlefae | Any idea if theres a Mesh networking app, or if its even possible, btw. You know, for extending wifi range using a network of similar devices? | 19:40 |
| p13 | for now i just use links/vi | 19:40 |
| bhima | littlefae: I've used ad-hoc wifi before, found something like 100 meter range or so. | 19:41 |
| osfameron | hrmpf, applictaions seem to want to download only into the main application store, not to the memory cards | 19:41 |
| littlefae | Yeah, I was shocked at the range on this thing, my laptop (iBook) couldn't get wifi downstairs, this 770 could get it in the cafe nextdoor. :) | 19:41 |
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| littlefae | And on that note, kismet is a GREAT tool to carry around in your pocket, whilst walking around town. ;) | 19:42 |
| p13 | aircrack runs too slow on it though ;) | 19:43 |
| littlefae | True, but I've found 50 wifi spots I never found before kismet. :) | 19:43 |
| |tbb| | aircrack wont work the right way, cause it dont filter the pakets correct | 19:43 |
| p13 | i've put the 770 on the top yoke of my bike and rode around a bit | 19:44 |
| p13 | found a couple of good hotspots | 19:44 |
| littlefae | Would be even nicer if, with the GPS module, you could map the spots. :) | 19:44 |
| SyntaxNinja | can someone explain the gps support to me? I saw some screenshots, but not an explanation. | 19:45 |
| SyntaxNinja | I assume it's not built in? | 19:45 |
| littlefae | From what I can tell, you pair the GPS receiver to the 770, install the MMC that comes with it, and bam, instant navigation, but I only used a pre setup model | 19:46 |
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| nelson | SyntaxNinja: gps support on 770 or 800? | 19:47 |
| littlefae | It allegedly had 3D mapping, but the rep never showed me that. | 19:47 |
| littlefae | 770 | 19:47 |
| ||cw | what product is this? | 19:47 |
| nelson | 800 comes with gpsd, but you have to install it separately on the 770. | 19:47 |
| Veggen | I didn't get Maemo Mapper to see my BT GPS - but that could be a lot of problems... | 19:48 |
| littlefae | I couldn't get Maemo Mapper to work, period. :) | 19:48 |
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| ||cw | worked ok for me, little tedious to get the maps cached though | 19:48 |
| littlefae | I followed instructions to the letter, all I ever got was grey, fields and fields of grey | 19:48 |
| Veggen | (this on N800 - on 770, it worked) | 19:48 |
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| Veggen | cw: newest maemo mapper gave up too easily on a bad network connection, I think. | 19:49 |
| ||cw | Veggen: if n800 comes with gpsd, and maemo-mapper doesn't use it, could that be it? gpsd grabbed the gps and locke dit? | 19:49 |
| littlefae | Oh, been meaning to ask.. In red Pill mode on the 770, is it safe to install all those updates it lists, despite it not listing them in Blue Pill mode? | 19:50 |
| jait | cw: i don't think so, unless you explicitly told gpsd to grab your receiver | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | littlefae: n | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | +o | 19:50 |
| littlefae | Didn't think so | 19:51 |
| Veggen | Hmm. I just stayed 2-3 hours extra struggling with telephone-instructing someone to get to console on a firewall in Hamburg. Finally got it off. Send an SMS to my boss, who jumped ship and went home 2 hours ago....and all he says is "great. You deserve a hamburger" | 19:51 |
| Tak | ba dum bing! | 19:51 |
| Veggen | (firewall needed a fsck before it would boot) | 19:51 |
| nelson | I'm under the impression that maemo-mapper uses gpsd. | 19:51 |
| nelson | It *really* ought to default to using gpsd if it's present. | 19:51 |
| littlefae | Differing versions of gpsd perhaps on the 800? | 19:51 |
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| ajturner | Maemo Mapper doesn't use gpsd for the 770, so I doubt it does yet | 19:54 |
| ajturner | Feature Request: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=8&group_id=29&atid=188 | 19:54 |
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| Veggen | Hmm. stop gpsd and try again, then, perhaps. On the 800. | 19:56 |
| Veggen | (see if I'll try when I get home) | 19:57 |
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| littlefae | This might sound like an odd question | 19:58 |
| osfameron | ooo, gfrotz installed for n800... | 19:58 |
| littlefae | How does the 770 know when the cover is engaged, as I see no contacts on the device, nor any microswitches. | 19:58 |
| tko | MDK, is that view buttons I see..?-) http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/27 | 19:59 |
| Tak | there's a magnetic thing on the front | 19:59 |
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| MDK | tko: I'm shocked | 20:00 |
| tko | MDK, I think that happens automatically if you just put your buttons in a table | 20:01 |
| tko | or at least I don't believe anyone would've figured out how to intentionally use them :) | 20:02 |
| tko | MDK, btw, I figured we can trivially do the scrollbar painting.. could easily try it in plankton | 20:03 |
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| |tbb| | gpsd will soon be ported to the n800 | 20:05 |
| tko | where's qgil btw? I need to harass him about irc :) | 20:05 |
| nelson | errrr, according to the docs I've read, it's on the image. | 20:05 |
| osfameron | yay! gfrotz works | 20:06 |
| nelson | littlefae: there's a hall-effect sensor just below the Home button, and a corresponding magnet on the cover. | 20:06 |
| MDK | tko: I mailed a test case to somebody at some point | 20:06 |
| MDK | so it could be we spread the disease | 20:06 |
| MDK | we = I | 20:07 |
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| ajturner | |tbb| - I believe it's already on the N800 in OS2007 | 20:07 |
| ajturner | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowToUseGPSFrameworkInOS2007 | 20:07 |
| nelson | ajturner: yep, that's where I read it also. | 20:07 |
| nelson | (sweet!) | 20:07 |
| nelson | gpsd++ | 20:08 |
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| tko | MDK, you lost me | 20:08 |
| ajturner | I wish the N800 just had a gps chip in it | 20:08 |
| nelson | ajturner: no, you don't. | 20:08 |
| tzz | ajturner: so it can cost $100 more, right? :) | 20:08 |
| nelson | ajturner: the probllem with an integral GPS receiver is that the best location for the GPS receiver is the WORST location for the user interface. | 20:08 |
| ajturner | tzz - yes, I would pay $100 more for built in GPS | 20:08 |
| MDK | tko: somebody asked me once "how to use view buttons" and I mailed a test-case to him | 20:08 |
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| Tak | or s/webcam/gps/ | 20:09 |
| nelson | ajturner: the Navman 3000 sleeve for the iPAQ essentially gave it an integral GPS receiver. | 20:09 |
| ajturner | put it in the top :) the N95 has a GPS receiver | 20:09 |
| [A]ndy80 | I've a Bt77 GPS receiver.... do you think it's possible to use it with Navicore? | 20:09 |
| tko | MDK, ah.. shame on you :) | 20:09 |
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| MDK | that was when I was young and naive | 20:09 |
| tzz | ajturner: most people don't want to pay $100 more for a device that's already expensive | 20:09 |
| tko | some stuff isn't supposed to be used or documented :) | 20:09 |
| ajturner | I currently use the Delorme Bluelogger with my 770 | 20:09 |
| nelson | ajturner: works great for handheld use. Works less well for auto use. | 20:09 |
| tko | MDK, yeah, you couldn't have known | 20:09 |
| nelson | ajturner: sure, that's reasonable. Battery life on Bluelogger >> battery life on 770. | 20:10 |
| MDK | tko: you mean like the internal DRM chip? | 20:10 |
| ajturner | nelson - but now you have 2 devices on the handlebars of your bike | 20:10 |
| nelson | ajturner: nahhhh. I just throw the GPS receiver in the hydration pack's top pocket. | 20:10 |
| MDK | tko: we do have a hidden DRM chip in N800, don't we? | 20:10 |
| ajturner | the other problem I run into is not being able to connect more than 1 BT device - for example GPS & mobile phone | 20:10 |
| tzz | ajturner: I agree it would be great for you and many others, but the N800 seems to be targeting a different market, so it will have to be an external accessory for now. It's defiunitely a business decision on Nokia's part, not a technical one. | 20:11 |
| ajturner | or GPS, Mobile & KBD (esp. 1handed kbds ;) | 20:11 |
| jait | Andy80: If it speaks standard NMEA over rfcomm, then it should work with Navicore | 20:11 |
| osfameron | dottedmag: bah, didn't get time today to do anything.. might get a chance to bugzilla over weekend, sorry. Put me down for interest in testing etc. for any work on feed reader, but just been snowed under at work today | 20:11 |
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| tko | MDK, I was rather thinking about view buttons and thumb press detection | 20:11 |
| nelson | ajturner: hehe. | 20:11 |
| osfameron | have a good weekend all :-) | 20:11 |
| |tbb| | who else but me have navicore allready bogwho els but me have navicore allready bought | 20:11 |
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| ajturner | tzz - well, by having all devices with GPS, then devs can build it into apps and use-cases without requiring a user to have another one | 20:11 |
| MDK | tko: the thumbpress is actually a public API ;) | 20:11 |
| tko | MDK, did you comment the sound api btw? | 20:11 |
| [A]ndy80 | jait: I'm currently using it with my Nokia 6600 and TomTom Go. I wish TomTom to be available on N770 too :) | 20:12 |
| nelson | ajturner: ahhhhh, but gpsd comes by default, so everybody can use it, and if it says "I dunno", then that's what it reports. | 20:12 |
| tzz | ajturner: the GPS API is stable, separate from Bluetooth in ITOS2007 IIRC | 20:12 |
| tko | MDK, public yes, visible yes, documented? :) | 20:12 |
| MDK | tko: wasn't it hildon_finger_me_something? ;) | 20:12 |
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| ajturner | nelson - well, if a wifi-geolocation api makes it on, that would be good too | 20:12 |
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| Tak | yes, what's the deal with the sound on n800? | 20:12 |
| ajturner | tzz - well, but if there isn't a gps device, then currently gpsd doesn't know where you are | 20:12 |
| MDK | tko: I put it into _helper funtions with documentation in new hildon | 20:12 |
| tko | MDK, aren't you the maintainer? :) | 20:12 |
| jait | Andy80: then I'm guessing it will work with Navicore, too | 20:13 |
| [A]ndy80 | is it possible to have multiple wireless profiles on N770? | 20:13 |
| tzz | ajturner: basically adding a $100 device just because it would be nice doesn't cut it in business... A lot of people just don't need to consult GPS exactly where they are (because they already know, have a map, etc.) | 20:13 |
| tko | by the time new hildon is ready it should be stable enough.. | 20:13 |
| [A]ndy80 | (I don't have it yet, I'm going to buy it, used, within an hour :P ) | 20:13 |
| tko | the underlying implementation details I mean | 20:13 |
| ajturner | tzz - I'm thinking for Location based services, automatically letting me know when I'm near somewhere that interests me - geotagged photos | 20:14 |
| * koen hears LBS | 20:14 | |
| ajturner | tzz - but if something like Skyhook's Loki (or open-db) for WiFi geolcoation can be made into a Maemo GPSD service, then that would be even better - esp in urban environments | 20:14 |
| * ajturner said LBS | 20:14 | |
| MDK | tko: in a way, having to do thumbpress detection manually is bad in the first place | 20:14 |
| Jaffa | tko: "New Hildon"? | 20:14 |
| MDK | but I guess it's "good enough" compared to other bad-bad things | 20:15 |
| tzz | ajturner: sure, there are many interesting uses, but currently GPS just isn't a compelling reason to spend $100 more on an electronic device to *consumers*. | 20:15 |
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| tzz | ajturner: people in #maemo are not typical consumers :) | 20:15 |
| ajturner | tzz, agreed - they're the ones that make the case for why consumers would want it ;) | 20:15 |
| tko | Jaffa, hildon with most if not all the crap removed | 20:16 |
| MDK | Jaffa: refactored hildon | 20:17 |
| tko | Jaffa, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HAF/APICleanup | 20:17 |
| MDK | crap, I need to update it | 20:17 |
| MDK | is mailing list working? | 20:18 |
| Jaffa | MDK: seems to be now (well, it was) | 20:18 |
| tzz | Jaffa: Emacs doesn't go into the Extras menu with mud-builder, so I need to start it from a xterm. Do I need to add the desktop entry with a patch, or does MUD handle this? | 20:19 |
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| konfoo | anyone looking for a nokia 770 or zaurus c3200... im selling | 20:20 |
| tzz | konfoo: do you have craigslist.org for your area? I sold mine there. | 20:20 |
| konfoo | tzz: nod.. just giving first dibs here | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | tzz: at the moment you'll need the patch - at some point I hope to be able to do some aspects of the HAF integration automatically | 20:21 |
| konfoo | also i have a defective n800. who woulda thunk | 20:21 |
| tzz | Jaffa: I'll look at sylpheed and try to put that into MUD rather than as a patch :) | 20:21 |
| tzz | by "that" I mean "the desktop entry" | 20:22 |
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| tzz | seems like /sylpheed/trunk/sylpheed.desktop is the right file. | 20:23 |
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| SyntaxNinja | does the zaurus use maemo? | 20:26 |
| ||cw | no, only nokia | 20:26 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | will the 770 survice a dist-upgrade? | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | s-ndh-c_: probably not | 20:27 |
| s-ndh-c_ | from mistral to scirocco? | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | people tend to report their devices not booting after such experiments | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't risk it | 20:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | iam pretty sure i flashed the 2006 second release | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | besides, apt-get upgrade won't update your kernel or initfs | 20:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | but all entrys in the packagemanager say mistral as the dirstibution | 20:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | isnt that wrong? | 20:28 |
| Pio | thats the way the image is set up actually | 20:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | oh | 20:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | so its ok like that? | 20:28 |
| Pio | i think what i ended up doing was keeping the mistral ones and adding my own scirocco ones in addition to those.. | 20:29 |
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| Pio | err no, the nokia distros you just leave as mistral i think | 20:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | ok but maemo.org and others can be scirocco? | 20:30 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 20:30 |
| Pio | http://pio.longstair.com/misc/sources.list.txt | 20:30 |
| bedboi | still no news about device dev program | 20:30 |
| etrunko | bedboi: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram | 20:30 |
| p13 | hi again | 20:31 |
| s-ndh-c_ | Pio: thx | 20:31 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:31 |
| Pio | np. im not sure if everything there is 100% correct but its workin for me :) | 20:32 |
| bedboi | ah, i read that | 20:32 |
| bedboi | thanks, btw. so i have to wait till monday :) | 20:32 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | Pio: i want to install canola, and the wiki says you have to install the right version as it will screw up otherwise | 20:32 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:32 |
| Pio | yeah | 20:32 |
| s-ndh-c_ | as i then looked at the repos i got scared cause all said mistral | 20:33 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:33 |
| Pio | this sources.list will give you a good working scirocco canola | 20:33 |
| etrunko | bedboi: np | 20:33 |
| s-ndh-c_ | now i just have to find a way to remove --purge ssh and reinstall it | 20:33 |
| s-ndh-c_ | something is wrong with the hostkey | 20:33 |
| s-ndh-c_ | my client allways says, server_host_key verification failed | 20:34 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | and then exits | 20:34 |
| nelson | bedboi: but note that that date is just the first set of confirmations. | 20:34 |
| dottedmag | s-ndh-c_: rm .ssh/known_hosts | 20:34 |
| s-ndh-c_ | dottedmag: yeah, still the same | 20:34 |
| s-ndh-c_ | it then asks me if i want to connect to that server and displays its hostkey, i say yes, ad same error again | 20:35 |
| dottedmag | s-ndh-c_: well, then it's really something wrong with your hostkey :) | 20:35 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:35 |
| s-ndh-c_ | and apt-get remove --purge ssh wants to uninstall pretty much of the os | 20:35 |
| s-ndh-c_ | it seems to be in some metapackage or so | 20:35 |
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| ||cw | if you delete the hostkey and restart the service, will that regenerate it? | 20:36 |
| ||cw | or, delete and dpkg-reconfigure ssh | 20:36 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | ||cw: it doesnt have that | 20:38 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | maybe i should search for something like apttools or so | 20:39 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:39 |
| s-ndh-c_ | aehm dpkgtools i mean | 20:39 |
| s-ndh-c_ | ir something with dpkg in its name | 20:39 |
| dottedmag | s-ndh-c_: dpkg --purge <package>? | 20:39 |
| tko | MDK, you'd be interested in making a maemo presentation at fosdem, right? :) | 20:40 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | dottedmag: will try that | 20:41 |
| MDK | tko: sure, why not ;) As long as it has something about our ui | 20:41 |
| s-ndh-c_ | or i could try to use ssh-keygen to generate a new hostkey | 20:42 |
| tko | MDK, oh, the topic is up to you :) | 20:42 |
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| tko | MDK, teuf was mentioning "new possibilities offered by the new n800, what's new in maemo XXX, optimizing for the n770, ... ?" | 20:43 |
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| p13 | sorry | 20:43 |
| MDK | tko: are you coming? | 20:44 |
| tko | MDK, as far as I know, yes | 20:44 |
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| * mgedmin reads backlog | 20:45 | |
| * mgedmin likes the look of mud-builder pages | 20:45 | |
| * mgedmin uses vim on the 770 with the virtual keyboard and is quite happy with it, after some mappings | 20:46 | |
| |tbb| | how can i activate bluetooth with hcitool? | 20:46 |
| MDK | tko: how about something in the lines of "porting your UI to n800" ? Like -- how to port full-scaled app UI to maemo | 20:46 |
| |tbb| | or anything like that | 20:46 |
| Molagi | hmm why cant i find gaim from application manger? | 20:48 |
| tko | MDK, for example | 20:48 |
| Molagi | or xchat | 20:48 |
| Molagi | manager | 20:48 |
| Tak | Molagi: did you add the repositories? | 20:48 |
| s-ndh-c_ | lol | 20:48 |
| Molagi | what repositories? | 20:49 |
| Molagi | i only added http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications | 20:49 |
| wumpus | n880 doesn't have gaim yet afaik | 20:49 |
| Molagi | i guess it doenst work | 20:49 |
| s-ndh-c_ | i tried dpkg --force-depends --purge ssh but it fails as one of the removal scripts calls rmdir with an option it doesnt know | 20:49 |
| s-ndh-c_ | lol | 20:49 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:49 |
| s-ndh-c_ | thats cool | 20:49 |
| Andy80 | what is the exact model name? N800 or N880 ?? | 20:50 |
| Tak | so you added http://maemo-hackers.org/apt , mistral , main ? | 20:50 |
| Molagi | hmm no | 20:50 |
| dottedmag | s-ndh-c_: seems to be very rough port :) | 20:50 |
| Molagi | ill try that | 20:50 |
| jait | tbb: what do you mean by "activate"? hciconfig hci0 up? | 20:50 |
| s-ndh-c_ | i will try without purge | 20:50 |
| s-ndh-c_ | and delete /etc/ssh manualy | 20:51 |
| Tak | Application GAIM (Multiprotocol Instant Messenger) | 20:51 |
| Tak | Status: Works | 20:51 |
| Tak | Tested with Oscar plugin for AIM | 20:51 |
| Tak | Use repository: [WWW] http://maemo-hackers.org/apt distribution: mistral components: main | 20:51 |
| Tak | Additional Maemo Bora Repository Required (See X Terminal Above) | 20:51 |
| jait | Andy80: it's Nokia N800. | 20:51 |
| Andy80 | thanks :) | 20:52 |
| Andy80 | ok guys! I'm going to buy my N770 :) see ya later ;) | 20:52 |
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| Molagi | ooh it works thank you Tak | 20:53 |
| |tbb| | thx jait | 20:53 |
| s-ndh-c_ | yeah just removed it with dpkg then deleted /etc/ssh and installed again with apt-get -f install | 20:54 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:54 |
| s-ndh-c_ | works now | 20:54 |
| Molagi | im trying to install gaim and xchat, its saying "cant install some packages are required for the installation are missing" | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: glad you like my shiny :) | 20:55 |
| konfoo | see which ones they are, then find the repos for them | 20:55 |
| Tak | Additional Maemo Bora Repository Required (See X Terminal Above) | 20:55 |
| s-ndh-c_ | Molagi: you are missing some repo in which those dependand packages are located | 20:55 |
| konfoo | i have gaim and xchat running on my n800, no problems | 20:55 |
| Molagi | hmm dunno | 20:56 |
| s-ndh-c_ | gaim sucks | 20:56 |
| Molagi | im missing libxau0 | 20:56 |
| |tbb| | konfoo which u preffer | 20:56 |
| s-ndh-c_ | there allmost nothing left of the screen if the virtual kb comes up | 20:56 |
| konfoo | |tbb|: i only use gaim for yahoo messenger... | 20:56 |
| s-ndh-c_ | atleast for the irc thing | 20:56 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:57 |
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| konfoo | i would rather use centericq but the xterm is a bit lacking on the 800 :/ | 20:57 |
| konfoo | xchat works fine also | 20:57 |
| * mgedmin finally catches up | 20:58 | |
| Jaffa | :) | 20:58 |
| konfoo | s-ndh-c_: yeah.. but it has had the ui reworked a bit at least. the first rev for the 770 was horrid :) | 20:58 |
| littlefae | Wow, did I fall idle or something... | 20:58 |
| Tak | xchat + bitlbee is what I always wanted gaim to be | 20:58 |
| s-ndh-c_ | hehe | 20:58 |
| s-ndh-c_ | dont use IM much | 20:58 |
| wumpus | yup xchat works here now, you should add the maemo repositor itself as well | 20:59 |
| s-ndh-c_ | only irc | 20:59 |
| |tbb| | hmmh, hcitool cc mac was the command to connect to a bluetooth thing isnt it? | 20:59 |
| konfoo | screen+console-based irc ;) | 20:59 |
| s-ndh-c_ | konfoo: yeah i have irssi running in screen at my rooti | 20:59 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 20:59 |
| s-ndh-c_ | much better than xchat+ a bnc | 21:00 |
| konfoo | s-ndh-c_: nod, beats firing up some app every time and having to re-sign-in.. bleh | 21:00 |
| Molagi | can i find the libxau0 from http://repository.maemo.org/ | 21:00 |
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| Molagi | if thats the repository | 21:00 |
| s-ndh-c_ | Molagi: browse it? | 21:00 |
| s-ndh-c_ | or just add it and try | 21:01 |
| Molagi | yeah its refreshing the packets | 21:01 |
| wumpus | yes Molagi | 21:01 |
| wumpus | it finds that there | 21:01 |
| Molagi | ok | 21:02 |
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| |tbb| | som1 has tried to change his hostname before? | 21:09 |
| Molagi | xchat is installing forever | 21:09 |
| Molagi | is that normal | 21:09 |
| |tbb| | ive done that with hostname bla then i edited the /etc/hosts after reboot the hostname changes back, just curios | 21:10 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | |tbb|: edit /etc/hostname? | 21:12 |
| Molagi | still installing... | 21:12 |
| s-ndh-c_ | atleast that is how it works in most distros | 21:12 |
| Molagi | installed for 10 minutes | 21:12 |
| s-ndh-c_ | hm | 21:13 |
| tzz | any N800 BT GPS recommendations? Pharos, Garmin, GlobalSat, "wait for Nokia's N800 GPS kit"? | 21:13 |
| s-ndh-c_ | one of the repos seems to be bad | 21:13 |
| Molagi | now the installing stopped the install bar isnt moving | 21:14 |
| s-ndh-c_ | the one with gpe stuff in, i tried to install some of the gpe apps and the installer just hung | 21:14 |
| ||cw | tzz: if the kit comes with maps, i'd wait | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | Molagi: sometimes installing packages takes forever | 21:15 |
| Molagi | ok | 21:15 |
| ||cw | unless you can buy the kit sans gps | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | usually the install succeeds after I leave it along long enough | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | once somebody reported here that the device was stuck in the install phase for 20 minutes, then rebooted | 21:15 |
| s-ndh-c_ | damn this canola repo seems to be overloaded,or just not responding | 21:15 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :( | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | writes to flash are slow | 21:16 |
| s-ndh-c_ | i allways get a timeout | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | and sometimes some sort of garbage collector kicks in, and writes stall for several minutes | 21:16 |
| nelson | tzz: any one should work. This guy has a lot at reasonable prices: http://stores.ebay.com/GPS4EvyOne | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | I don't really understand what is happening there | 21:16 |
| s-ndh-c_ | mgedmin: maybe it starts to sync in some intervall | 21:17 |
| s-ndh-c_ | and then writes all from memory to flash | 21:17 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | maybe to not do that many transactions to the flash memory | 21:18 |
| Molagi | damn how in the hell this install is taking so long | 21:18 |
| tzz | thanks for the BT GPS info! | 21:18 |
| Molagi | only installing xchat | 21:18 |
| |tbb| | it works now, dunno what i have made wrong b4 | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | I upgrade fbreader whenever a new version comes out | 21:19 |
| s-ndh-c_ | Molagi: just wait | 21:19 |
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| mgedmin | sometimes the upgrade is nearly instant, sometimes the progress bar sits unmoving for ~5 minutes | 21:19 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 21:19 | |
| kulve | hmm.. how do I connect to a hidden wlan? I can enter the needed info through the connection manager, but when I "Select Connection", the hidden network is not in the list.. | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | first time this happended I was really scared | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | I thought my internal flash might be dying | 21:19 |
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| Molagi | well had to close the wlan so my battery doesnt run out while installing | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | kulve: go to the connection manager, choose connection from the menu, then add a new connection and enter your essid and other parameters | 21:20 |
| s-ndh-c_ | i just put the powerceÃll out asthe installer seemed to have frozen the whole system, the power button didnt do anything anymore, after that hardreset the device was acting up and i ended with reflashing it | 21:20 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 21:20 |
| s-ndh-c_ | maybe i should just have got more patience | 21:21 |
| s-ndh-c_ | had | 21:21 |
| kulve | mgedmin: I did | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | hm, it worked for me | 21:21 |
| kulve | mgedmin: if I open the connectivity settings again, it is listed there.. But when I open the list of access points to connect to, it's not there.. | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | maybe wait a few seconds | 21:22 |
| kulve | I've checked the ssid and the passwd three times now.. | 21:22 |
| |tbb| | on my 770 i was able to use gpsd /dev/rfcomm0 after i used the maemo-bt-plugin to connect to my gps receiver, now i connect it with hcitool cc macaddressofGPS and it successfully connected. But when i tried to start gpsd /dev/rfcomm0 then there isnt a device ??? | 21:23 |
| s-ndh-c_ | |tbb|: dmesg? | 21:25 |
| s-ndh-c_ | maybe that reveals the cause of not creating the device | 21:25 |
| |tbb| | howdo i | 21:25 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | xterm -> type dmesg[enter] | 21:25 |
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| |tbb| | i dont see there something | 21:26 |
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| |tbb| | i will conect again, mom | 21:26 |
| s-ndh-c_ | |tbb|: maybe you missed a step inbetween? | 21:26 |
| s-ndh-c_ | never did any bluetooth stuff | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | tbb: usually you need to use rfcomm bind to get a /dev/rfcomm | 21:26 |
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| mgedmin | I think the bluetooth applet would do that for you | 21:27 |
| * mgedmin never used it | 21:27 | |
| s-ndh-c_ | is openbossa.indt.org realy down? or is it just my line | 21:28 |
| |tbb| | mgethe bt wasnt work 2 days be4 | 21:28 |
| |tbb| | how could i create that device | 21:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | i want to try canola | 21:28 |
| |tbb| | cant connect to the gps device using bt-plugin | 21:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | fcomm bind /dev/rfcommdevice MAC | 21:29 |
| |tbb| | also i dont want to use second bluetooth icon on my systray | 21:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | *rfcomm | 21:29 |
| aCiDBaSe | s-ndh-c_: have you tried openbossa.indt.org.br? | 21:29 |
| * shapr hugs finland | 21:29 | |
| s-ndh-c_ | aCiDBaSe: no | 21:29 |
| shapr | Yay Finland! | 21:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | will try that | 21:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 21:29 |
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| Blackhold | Hi there o/ | 21:30 |
| * mgedmin doesn't quite understand why anyone would want gpsd on the 770 | 21:31 | |
| Blackhold | What a great machine the N800 | 21:31 |
| s-ndh-c_ | aCiDBaSe: thx that mirror worked | 21:31 |
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| |tbb| | mgedmin, using gpsd with kismet and later putting open networks to the navicore navkit ;) | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | ah, kismet | 21:33 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | isnt that this AP discovery tool | 21:33 |
| shapr | Yup | 21:34 |
| Molagi | hmm my n800 is heatening | 21:34 |
| s-ndh-c_ | do you want to create maps with open wlans? | 21:34 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 21:34 |
| Molagi | pretty hot | 21:34 |
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| Molagi | is it normal | 21:35 |
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| |tbb| | yes i do | 21:36 |
| |tbb| | and now im connected to gpsd and kismet, thx s-ndh-c_ | 21:36 |
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| |tbb| | and all others ;) | 21:36 |
| |tbb| | now i just need a holder for my device | 21:37 |
| |tbb| | car holder | 21:37 |
| kulve | about kismet. How can I dump data from kismet to tcpdump? With 770. I can pass currently only wlan beacon signal etc, but I would like to get the actual data.. | 21:38 |
| s-ndh-c_ | what do you want to do with it? | 21:39 |
| s-ndh-c_ | unencrypt later? | 21:39 |
| |tbb| | im not familar with that, i was just using airodump long time ago | 21:39 |
| arnnnn | any xterm for end user on n800 yet ? | 21:39 |
| kulve | s-ndh-c_: first listening non-encrypted wlan would be just perfect. Maybe support WEP decrycption with known key later. AFAIK wpa cannot be listened even with known key..? | 21:40 |
| shapr | Molagi: My 770 gets hot when I use google talk for half an hour or so. | 21:40 |
| |tbb| | im using xterm, but everytime i start it the space bar is disabled also when i changed | 21:40 |
| |tbb| | the tabs | 21:40 |
| arnnnn | |tbb|, is that xterm on n800 ? | 21:41 |
| minra | kulve... i forgot sorry... i think i used airodump | 21:41 |
| |tbb| | yes | 21:41 |
| dogbix | arnnnn: i have working xterm i think on ths n800 | 21:41 |
| arnnnn | dogbix, how can I install it ? | 21:42 |
| Pio | kulve, kismet on my 770 seemed to store dump files by default on the mmc card | 21:42 |
| kulve | Pio: it can be piped to tcpdump | 21:42 |
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| Molagi | ok | 21:42 |
| arnnnn | dogbix, I tried the one from maemo-hacker site osso_xterm something and it gives error not compatible | 21:42 |
| Pio | theres some procedure to convert those dump files to pcap compatible files that tcpdump can parse.. im trying to remember how that worked | 21:42 |
| dogbix | arnnnn: there are some instructions on maemo about dropping repositories | 21:43 |
| arnnnn | dogbix, where can I read that ? | 21:43 |
| kulve | Pio: I think I can do that, but I don't see any actual tcp/udp packets there.. | 21:43 |
| dogbix | Hold on.. | 21:43 |
| kulve | only beacons etc | 21:43 |
| Pio | "Kismet dumpfiles are standard tcpdump format - any tool. that can read pcap files can read a Kismet dump" | 21:43 |
| Pio | kulve, oh, i see | 21:44 |
| * Pio reads scrollback | 21:44 | |
| arnnnn | there seem to be enough n800 for everyone this time , unlike when nokia first launch n770...all sold out | 21:44 |
| |tbb| | hmmh i dont get a gps signal | 21:44 |
| Pio | are you sure there is actual data in the dump file? | 21:44 |
| * |tbb| wonders | 21:44 | |
| dogbix | Find xterminal on this page http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications | 21:45 |
| myren_ | arnnnn: tell that to denver | 21:45 |
| s-ndh-c_ | does apt-get use some recursive magic? like calling itself from itself? i would like to rename it place a wrapper around it that first startsup my wlan | 21:45 |
| myren_ | no one ships ANYTHING to denver | 21:45 |
| myren_ | its frigging annoying as hell | 21:45 |
| arnnnn | myren_, maybe because of the snow | 21:45 |
| myren_ | no Jawbone, no SpaceExplorers, no N800's | 21:45 |
| s-ndh-c_ | or maybe its a script that i could just edit | 21:45 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 21:46 |
| kulve | Pio: no. I have fifo=/tmp/kismet-dump.fifo in the kismet.conf and when I read that kismet-dump.fifo in tcpdump and print everything out I get lots of beacon etc data. But if the try to limit the tcpdump data to e.g. tcp or udp it doesn't print enything | 21:46 |
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| myren_ | arnnnn: the issue seems very long term. i can never find anything locally. | 21:46 |
| |tbb| | s-ndh-c_, do i have to set any port to my just created rfcomm0 | 21:46 |
| Pio | kulve, but could it be that the network *had* no tcp/udp data, so there isnt any in the dump file? | 21:46 |
| Pio | was this an encrypted network? | 21:46 |
| kulve | I tried to send data there. And I used unencrypted ad-hoc wlan and WEP encrypted. | 21:47 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | |tbb|: i think if rfcomm bind succeded you have succesfully connected to your bt device | 21:49 |
| kulve | Pio: but if you think it should work, then I just need to try again | 21:49 |
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| Pio | well, im not sure | 21:49 |
| |tbb| | than maybee the signal isnt good | 21:49 |
| Pio | i was under the impression kismet would dump whatever it saw and understood.. i suppose if it couldnt decrypt what it saw it wouldnt dump it | 21:49 |
| Pio | i havent used kismet that much for dumping | 21:50 |
| kulve | hmm.. with ad-hoc the signal should be ok, since the devices are next to each other. With WEP it could have been weaker | 21:50 |
| kulve | I'll try it again, when I have the time. And I need to set up an wlan station without encryption at all for basic testing.. | 21:50 |
| Pio | doh, i just installed liblzo so i could use openvpn w/ lzo compression but now the .deb of openssl with lzo support is 404 | 21:51 |
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| Pio | guess ill just go without | 21:52 |
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| Pio | in fact, both debs are 404 | 21:55 |
| Pio | shoot.. /me googles | 21:55 |
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| Molagi | hmm does it take long to log in with gaim to msn | 21:56 |
| Molagi | i pressed sign on | 21:56 |
| Molagi | and still isnt logged | 21:56 |
| s-ndh-c_ | how does the menu work, can i change its structure and relocate shortcuts? | 21:57 |
| Molagi | missing protocol plugin | 21:57 |
| Molagi | hmm | 21:57 |
| s-ndh-c_ | Molagi: install it | 21:57 |
| Molagi | where can i get some protocol plugin | 21:57 |
| s-ndh-c_ | maemo-gaim-protocol-IMNAME | 21:57 |
| s-ndh-c_ | or something like that | 21:57 |
| s-ndh-c_ | or maybe its protocols-blah dont remember | 21:58 |
| Veggen | Molagi: hmm, I chose the route of jabber-connectors. I like the builtin IM integration better than gaim. | 21:58 |
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| Veggen | (i.e. everything through the jabber account) | 21:58 |
| Molagi | hmm k | 21:59 |
| Veggen | (not that there's a reason gaim shouldn't work, I just provided an alternative) | 21:59 |
| s-ndh-c_ | damn everytime ushare or gmediaserver refresh my beagle freaksout | 22:00 |
| s-ndh-c_ | and i noticed one folder to be empty maybe it chokes on the items in that | 22:00 |
| Molagi | s-ndh-c_ well i installed the maemo gaim protocol msn | 22:01 |
| * sp3000 got mostly crashes and blank windows with gaim | 22:01 | |
| Molagi | but still whining about some plugin | 22:01 |
| sp3000 | and a little bit of irc :) | 22:01 |
| tzz | sure sign people at work don't know the sudoers syntax: tzz: ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/sudo -u test /usr/bin/bash. I pointed out that I now had to do "sudo /usr/local/bin/sudo -u test /usr/bin/bash" instead of "sudo -u test bash" but apparently that's the way they've always done it. | 22:01 |
| s-ndh-c_ | anybody using ushare or gmediaserver and having simmilar problems? | 22:01 |
| s-ndh-c_ | beagled-helper goes to 99% even after ushare or gmediaserver have finished scanning the share folders | 22:02 |
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| * shapr boings | 22:05 | |
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| bstock | hey quick question, on the 770 which file to i edit to change my user-agent for opera? | 22:12 |
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| bstock | nm i think i found it, /home/user/.opera/opera.ini | 22:14 |
| Molagi | is it normal that n800 starts to warm up and lag after 2 hours of surfing | 22:23 |
| Molagi | seemed to slow up pretty much | 22:23 |
| Molagi | tried running a video clip and couldnt even open it properly | 22:23 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | Molagi: open xterm | 22:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | type top | 22:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | and see what consumes the all your cpu cycles | 22:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | :) | 22:29 |
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| Molagi | hmm | 22:35 |
| Molagi | lots of numbers | 22:35 |
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| Molagi | hmm my nethack stopped working also | 22:36 |
| Molagi | :( | 22:36 |
| Molagi | it worked before | 22:36 |
| Molagi | now that i run it, after i set the name it just shuts the application | 22:36 |
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| Molagi | tried rebooting but didnt help | 22:38 |
| Molagi | and reinstalling also | 22:38 |
| minra | nethack looks great... i want to port tome to maemo someday | 22:43 |
| minra | tome, and star control 2 (uqm) | 22:44 |
| minra | sadly the directional pad on the 770 is really poor for games | 22:44 |
| minra | very hard not to hit the central button while making fast switches left/right | 22:44 |
| glass | one or two buttons on the other side of the screen wouldn't hurt either | 22:45 |
| minra | yup | 22:45 |
| p13 | very hard to do anything with | 22:45 |
| minra | how is the directional pad on the 800? | 22:45 |
| p13 | and it's gotten even worse on the n800 apparrently | 22:45 |
| glass | that would make it sooo much more better for gaming | 22:45 |
| minra | arrgh | 22:45 |
| p13 | too bad | 22:45 |
| * minra beats head on desk | 22:45 | |
| p13 | the n800 has the horsies to do some emulation | 22:46 |
| p13 | maybe a bt gamepad ? :p | 22:46 |
| bhima | Get a Wii remote and use it. | 22:46 |
| p13 | yeah you could | 22:46 |
| p13 | i have a wii remote | 22:46 |
| p13 | it came with my wii | 22:46 |
| bhima | It's bluetooth. | 22:46 |
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| p13 | ... | 22:46 |
| p13 | i wait for the remarks :) | 22:46 |
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| p13 | i tried it on a friend's windows laptop | 22:47 |
| p13 | it's pretty fun | 22:47 |
| p13 | with wiisticks | 22:47 |
| p13 | and wiitar :p | 22:47 |
| minra | well a bluetooth kbd is a great investment for the n770, and it solvs thebutton problem | 22:47 |
| p13 | i have a stowaway | 22:47 |
| p13 | i love it | 22:47 |
| glass | they rarely have a pad though | 22:47 |
| minra | me too. *love* | 22:47 |
| bhima | minra: it doesn't solve the "play games on the bus" problem very well, sadly. | 22:47 |
| p13 | i was worried about tactile feedback at the beginning | 22:47 |
| Molagi | why doenst it work! | 22:47 |
| glass | and with kb you pretty much need a table.. might just as well game on the lappy | 22:47 |
| p13 | but it's actually better then the hp laptops at work | 22:47 |
| glass | i got a stowaway too | 22:48 |
| keesj | glass, is that full size? | 22:48 |
| minra | any firm surface on the lap suffices for me -- attache case, notebook bag, but yes the buttons were a design flaw | 22:48 |
| Molagi | anyone had problems with the nethack, mine worked great earlier today and now it just closes when i enter the name | 22:48 |
| glass | keesj: foldable.. misses one line | 22:49 |
| minra | i got used to the stowaway quite quickly. despite the reduced key count... | 22:49 |
| p13 | yeah, makes the 770 a LOT more useful for me | 22:49 |
| p13 | with os2005, the screen dimming out was a pain | 22:49 |
| p13 | but they solved it in 2006 | 22:49 |
| keesj | minra, but do you use a mouse ? you did you configure keys for some actions? | 22:51 |
| p13 | minra, do you get the crashes in opera as well with the bt kb ? | 22:51 |
| p13 | when entering text in a form and pressing enter | 22:51 |
| p13 | poof, crash, goen | 22:51 |
| p13 | gone* | 22:51 |
| bhima | xkr47: permanent screen death? | 22:55 |
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| minra | i only get the crashes when using bt kb | 22:58 |
| minra | dont use a mouse... no idea how | 22:58 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:03 |
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| gpd | can someone advise me on how to create (or find) an xmodmap for N800 and bluetooth sierra keyboard? | 23:10 |
| gpd | the only problem i have so far is that the blue Fn key is bringing up the menu in xterm | 23:11 |
| koen | I heard the n800 is using xkbd | 23:12 |
| gpd | koen: can you elaborate a little - i haev never messed with keyboard stuff - it has always 'just worked' | 23:13 |
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| koen | me neither, but that's what daniels said to someone asking a similar question :) | 23:15 |
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| gpd | i think it was daniels that told me that i need to write a xmodmap - however, i don't know how to find out what key the Fn key is (on desktop i would use xev) | 23:15 |
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| gpd | also it is not clear if the Fn key is doing the right thing but the xterm is grabbing it for menu. | 23:16 |
| gpd | also - xmodmap doesn't seem to be available on OS2007 (at least in my repos) | 23:18 |
| gpd | ok - in the hardware keyboard shortcuts page - the Fn key shows up as Menu | 23:27 |
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| minra | is anyone planning on making a one-shot upgrade "distro" for the 770 that includes a lot of nifty installed packages? | 23:27 |
| minra | i expect there are quite a few users who have never gotten around to learning the linuxy side of things | 23:29 |
| glass | that would be nice | 23:29 |
| glass | with a bunch of the "must have" stuff.. | 23:30 |
| gpd | [looks like there is a xev for 2006 - suppose i should wait/recompile] | 23:30 |
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| |tbb| | what is the url 4 the tested application on os7 | 23:33 |
| gpd | |tbb|: just go to recent wiki changes and you will see it | 23:33 |
| |tbb| | thxthx | 23:34 |
| minra | is there a known limit to the number of N800 developer devices Nokia is willing to fork out? | 23:34 |
| bmidgley | they said 500 | 23:35 |
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| |tbb| | who could help me to get a script running with root privileges, from the standard user? this script stays at /usr/sbin7/nc.sh | 23:42 |
| Veggen | tbb: sudo is your answer. | 23:43 |
| Veggen | tbb: have you gotten root on the device yet? | 23:43 |
| ||cw | |tbb|: yeah, visudo | 23:43 |
| |tbb| | yes | 23:44 |
| |tbb| | sudo gainroot works | 23:44 |
| kulve | or without root, you can make a suid binary, that runs anything you want.. | 23:44 |
| |tbb| | ive chmod 755 to the nc.sh script | 23:44 |
| |tbb| | but i cant start it with root privileges | 23:45 |
| |tbb| | sudo nc.sh ask 4 a pw | 23:45 |
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| kulve | I don't know actually how to set up the sudo in a way that it won't ask the user's passwd.. | 23:47 |
| suihkulokki | by editing /etc/sudoers | 23:48 |
| kulve | how? | 23:49 |
| suihkulokki | but if you fuck it up, you will have to reflash | 23:49 |
| kulve | I have something like this: | 23:49 |
| kulve | kulve ALL=(ALL) ALL | 23:49 |
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| kulve | but that asks for a passwd (my own) | 23:49 |
| Veggen | if you're not overly concerned with security, add NOPASSWD (like in the other lines) | 23:50 |
| suihkulokki | kulve: check the sudoers of the device for examples | 23:50 |
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| |tbb| | i care of security if i know what i have to make | 23:50 |
| kulve | suihkulokki: ok, I'll check. I actually don't have root's for my device now, so.. | 23:51 |
| kulve | |tbb|: have you tried setting up the sudo rigths with visudo? | 23:52 |
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| kulve | you can set it up so, that you can run the script without passwd, but nothing else.. | 23:52 |
| suihkulokki | visudo is better if available | 23:52 |
| |tbb| | no edito found | 23:52 |
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| |tbb| | i will install a editor then i try visudo | 23:55 |
| * |tbb| wonders what anything is installed on the n8 ;) | 23:55 | |
| |tbb| | k battery out just this second ;/ try it later thx | 23:55 |
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