| trenka | kender: is it 10PM in Spain ? | 00:01 |
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| kender | trenka, 11 PM exactly | 00:01 |
| trenka | I guess you cannot buy beer already :) | 00:01 |
| kender | trenka, I'm thinking in going in to finland in holidays, maybe sauna will be a good choice :P | 00:02 |
| kender | trenka, here yes, we can drink at the time that we want :P | 00:03 |
| * nomis is always surprised when noticing that Spain is the same timezone as the rest of the continental europe. Despite being as west as great britain. | 00:03 | |
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| c0ffee | jhe, did ville react already? or any other news? :) | 00:04 |
| kender | nomis, yes is surprising | 00:04 |
| daniels | c0ffee: it's 9:04am in sydney | 00:04 |
| c0ffee | is jhe in sydney as well? | 00:05 |
| trenka | daniels: you get up at 6AM ? | 00:05 |
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| kender | trenka, well, good night, see you tomorrow :) | 00:05 |
| c0ffee | man, you guys are hidden all over the planet | 00:06 |
| jhe | c0ffee: nope, haven't heard from ville yet, and no I'm not in sydney | 00:06 |
| kender | bye guys | 00:06 |
| c0ffee | ah, thx anyway :) | 00:06 |
| daniels | trenka: no, i went to bed at 6am, and woke up at 8:30 ... this could be fun | 00:06 |
| daniels | c0ffee: conference season | 00:06 |
| lle2 | daniels: ah, well, no way for me to know that :P | 00:06 |
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| daniels | lle2: #maemo != /msg | 00:06 |
| lle2 | daniels: I know, but I'm not going to register | 00:07 |
| daniels | lle2: ah, makes sense | 00:07 |
| trenka | lle2: did you see the discussion? | 00:07 |
| lle2 | trenka: yeah, seems I'm obsolete ;P | 00:07 |
| c0ffee | strange conferences you have there | 00:08 |
| c0ffee | here the deadlines for the next batch of conferences is in about two weeks | 00:08 |
| c0ffee | and conferences are always during holiday season :/ | 00:08 |
| daniels | c0ffee: well, linux.conf.au is on in sydney at the moment, and there's also the x developers' conference in about two or three weeks. can't remember when the others are, but pretty sure there's a few. | 00:09 |
| c0ffee | just kidding | 00:09 |
| c0ffee | i've never been at such conferences | 00:09 |
| c0ffee | i'm going to researchs cons if any | 00:10 |
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| * gpd wonders if any of the 'lightweight' linux distributions based on debian might provide suitable source .debs for building on scratchbox | 00:19 | |
| gpd | we should put maemo on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions | 00:21 |
| koen | gpd: maemo isn't a distribution, IT200x is | 00:22 |
| koen | (according to devesh) | 00:22 |
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| daniels | maemo is a platform for building distributions such as internet tablet os | 00:22 |
| gpd | sorry -- never had quite worked out all those semantics | 00:22 |
| gpd | so what name is the equivalent of 'Debian' - or 'Fedora' ? | 00:23 |
| daniels | i don't think anyone really has ;) | 00:23 |
| daniels | internet tablet os | 00:23 |
| gpd | ok - fair enough | 00:24 |
| daniels | well, i guess debian in particular is pretty much a platform for derivatives itself. so both maemo and itos, depending on your point of view. ;) | 00:24 |
| gpd | daniels: so would you consider trying deb sources from other distros for building? or should i stick to debian only? | 00:24 |
| gpd | sometimes the even the debian stuff seems a little heavy -- eg. --with-mysql etc | 00:25 |
| daniels | gpd: which distros? my answer depends on which distro it is, because the quality obviously varies (ubuntu generally good, linspire/xandros/etc spectacularly poor) | 00:25 |
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| daniels | sure, but you can modify that. :) | 00:25 |
| memnoc | hi, just wondering anyone tried making calls via SIP using the googletalk app? | 00:25 |
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| gpd | i can - but if someone has already done it -- say in damn small (i don't think they use debs for the main) then worth looking at what they did | 00:26 |
| Fatal | memnoc: the googletalk app does just that, googletalk | 00:26 |
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| memnoc | Fatal, but googletalk supports SIP | 00:26 |
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| memnoc | I can do it using the windows client, get immediately cutoff using the client on the 800 | 00:27 |
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| |tbb| | ive tried gtalk with camera with no luck just a few minutes ago | 00:28 |
| memnoc | I had it work with someone in here the other night | 00:28 |
| memnoc | it was guerby iirc | 00:29 |
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| gpd | daniels: how about Stem Desktop -- A hybrid, which uses lightest packages from Debian repository together with few home grown deb packages to build desktop | 00:30 |
| daniels | gpd: i've never heard of it | 00:30 |
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| gpd | http://debian.cante.net/stem/ <- new to me too | 00:31 |
| chx | does KDE run on N800 :) ? | 00:35 |
| jtokash2 | Is there way to easily just play all the audio files in a particular folder with the built in media player? | 00:37 |
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| gpd | chx: heh -- no it is tablet specific window manager thingy called hildon | 00:38 |
| jtokash | for instance, I want to play all my podcasts | 00:38 |
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| chx | gpd: obviously I was joking. It's miracle enough to start a PHP enabled webserver. KDE would run with all the speed of a snail in leg irons. | 00:38 |
| Tak | pff, snails don't even have legs | 00:39 |
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| chx | Tak: try dropping leg irons on a snail and watch its speed afterwards... | 00:39 |
| chx | (albeit this reminds me of what is the air speed velocity of a sparrow carrying a coconut...) | 00:42 |
| gpd | chx: you should develop Python - not PHP ;) | 00:42 |
| * gpd gives up on lightweight distros - nothing happening there | 00:43 | |
| chx | gpd: any day if you find me a community to match Drupal (not to mention my well paid dayjob which is also Drupal based) | 00:43 |
| chx | gpd: I have a Python book from Apress lying besides my bed -- I am ready to start :) | 00:44 |
| gpd | chx: python is great -- I am never going back to PERL | 00:44 |
| gpd | you will learn it in about a day i predict! | 00:44 |
| chx | yup I browsed the book and it seemed trivial | 00:44 |
| chx | these langues are all the same | 00:45 |
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| gpd | it is a shame that Rails gets all the attention and not the python equivalent | 00:45 |
| chx | learning Prolog was more of a challenge. But , I was only 15... | 00:45 |
| chx | all the attention? what attention? all hype, zero marketshare? | 00:46 |
| gpd | There is Django for python -- isn't that suppoesd to be Rails-esque? | 00:46 |
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| chx | the problem with Ruby on Rails is Ruby -- at the end of the day, business logic needs to be written. And where can you find a decent Ruby programmer? A whole team? And what they will cost? Come on. | 00:48 |
| lle2 | just outsource it | 00:48 |
| chx | I won't go into this debate. Surely there are great Indian software teams just I have not had the luck to met them. | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | even better, promise a pack of hardware and let other people do it | 00:50 |
| c0ffee | oh wait, that's not a new idea... | 00:50 |
| |tbb| | someone intrested in how to import kismet logs into navicore? | 00:51 |
| lle2 | better yet, promise a possibility of a discount on a piece of hw and let others do it | 00:51 |
| lle2 | I'm hitting a coders block with sb2 :( | 00:52 |
| gpd | so my iPod decides to die yesterday - now I am Apple and Microsoft free -- just need to find a suitable ipod replacement | 00:52 |
| c0ffee | iriver or what was is called is said to be good | 00:53 |
| |tbb| | i audio is good as mp3 player | 00:53 |
| c0ffee | or use your 770 | 00:54 |
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| gpd | don't want to waste battery of N800 on mp3 - :] | 00:54 |
| chx | kismet runs on the tablet?????? | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | sure | 00:55 |
| chx | free wifi everywhere! :D | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | the dns-tunnel client runs on my 770 as well :) | 00:55 |
| pahartik | gpd: me neither, but luckily it plays AAC content | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | even more free wifi | 00:55 |
| |tbb| | the more power the n8 device has the shorter the battery | 00:55 |
| |tbb| | thats bad | 00:55 |
| chx | c0ffee: dns-tunnel? is that something like pingtunnel? | 00:56 |
| chx | c0ffee: and where is the other end of the tunnel? | 00:56 |
| c0ffee | yeah, just over dns | 00:56 |
| c0ffee | a modified dns server | 00:56 |
| c0ffee | most public wlans which require authorization still allow dns traffic prior to login | 00:56 |
| gpd | those pocket battery packs look tempting - some have 5-10x battery life of tablet and quite small - could stash in back pocket and use N800 after all | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | nstx it's called | 00:57 |
| gpd | nobody has put kismet on the OS2k7 page - but presumably it works? | 00:58 |
| c0ffee | maybe nobody tested | 00:58 |
| c0ffee | maybe it doesn't work and the maintainer just doesn't have a 800 | 00:59 |
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| chx | c0ffee: so, you still need your own server :( | 01:00 |
| c0ffee | sure | 01:01 |
| c0ffee | but that's not the problem | 01:01 |
| gpd | wow: Use Mac or Linux? No problem!! iAUDIO 6 is available to be used on Mac or Linux OS. | 01:03 |
| chx | c0ffee: no? I do not readily own servers... | 01:05 |
| atla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOvN7jhPIcg | 01:05 |
| atla | :) | 01:05 |
| c0ffee | you can buy a domainname for a few $/year | 01:05 |
| c0ffee | and obviously you're connected to the inet | 01:05 |
| gpd | atla: classic :) | 01:05 |
| c0ffee | voila, a tunnel server | 01:05 |
| atla | btw. even if it is a bit early | 01:06 |
| atla | is there any info if there will be a n800 followup? | 01:06 |
| chx | c0ffee: you mean, you tunnel via your desktop...? and if you travel for a month, you run your machine for a month unattended...? | 01:06 |
| c0ffee | chx, it's not really a desktop, it's a soekris box | 01:07 |
| c0ffee | some headless barebone thing | 01:07 |
| c0ffee | also handles my mails etc | 01:07 |
| chx | i see | 01:07 |
| c0ffee | i fear it has less ressources than the n800 :) | 01:08 |
| |tbb| | so the iphone doesnt cooke coffee, i ever know it | 01:08 |
| atla | =) | 01:08 |
| gpd | iAUDIO X5 looks tempting | 01:10 |
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| gpd | i presume there is no way you could hook up an HDD player to the N800 to provide USB Mass storage? | 01:12 |
| atla | no usb connector? | 01:12 |
| * pahartik gets confused by threads or some class inheritance issue and gives up on writing application for Maemo | 01:12 | |
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| memnoc | anyone using Rhapsody's upnp service with media streamer? | 01:14 |
| gpd | memnoc: no - but gmediaserver on ubuntu worked for me | 01:14 |
| memnoc | well other upnp servers work as does rhapsody | 01:15 |
| memnoc | but rhapsody also streams things it doesn't have locally, that isn't working for me | 01:15 |
| memnoc | other non "made for rhapsody" devices work with that feature | 01:16 |
| memnoc | media streamer isn't handling well, just returns a file not found error | 01:16 |
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| memnoc | the internet call beta, is that suppossed to be working? | 01:25 |
| chx | gpd: why there is no way...? you just need to hook one through a pwoered usb hub | 01:26 |
| |tbb| | not for me :/ | 01:26 |
| memnoc | yeah, can't activate the account | 01:27 |
| |tbb| | me2 | 01:27 |
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| gpd | chx: i don't know if the tablet os would allow you to mount devices like that -- maybe it does? | 01:27 |
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| gpd | http://linux.seindal.dk/item91.html <-- external storage on n770 | 01:29 |
| |tbb| | memnoc i think it is still alpha cause the gtalk with webcam doesnt work well either :/ | 01:29 |
| gpd | While the Nokia 770 officially only supports usb peripheral mode | 01:29 |
| memnoc | tbb, yeah, it did work for me | 01:29 |
| memnoc | what's a bit confusing is in the userguide when they explain an "internet call" and supporting VoIP, from what I can tell it really just uses gtalk right now | 01:30 |
| memnoc | maybe I'm missing something but if you want to do a SIP call you need either Gizmo or gtalk2voip, which I can't get working | 01:30 |
| memnoc | odd | 01:30 |
| gpd | Plugging my Digital SLR into the N800 would also be nice -- massive screen for preview of shots | 01:32 |
| memnoc | your SLR have sd or compact flash? | 01:33 |
| gpd | compact flash | 01:34 |
| |tbb| | for gizmo there is a new client available | 01:34 |
| memnoc | oh, can't even don't the pics off | 01:34 |
| chx | was there ever a DSLR cam with SD card?? | 01:34 |
| memnoc | yes | 01:34 |
| gpd | chx: i think the pentax *ist maybe | 01:34 |
| memnoc | the MarkII has sd and cf | 01:34 |
| memnoc | er the highend Canon one | 01:34 |
| chx | hmm Nikon D50 too | 01:35 |
| * chx stands corrected | 01:35 | |
| memnoc | my 30D is cf | 01:35 |
| memnoc | tbb, my gizmo problems are network related not n800 | 01:35 |
| chx | let's say then most DSLRs are CF | 01:35 |
| memnoc | have to try on my neighbors open wifi | 01:35 |
| memnoc | heh, yep | 01:36 |
| |tbb| | oh nice just was trying to run a google video, now the n8 reboots | 01:36 |
| |tbb| | feels like im back on windowz | 01:36 |
| memnoc | but I tried making a SIP call from gtalk through the gtalk 'service' account and it dials then immediately disconnects, was hoping that was working | 01:37 |
| gpd | i'm reading a page about using the flasher to enable usb host mode -- anyone know if that would still work with N800? | 01:37 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to make non resizeable applets to resizeable applets? | 01:39 |
| s-ndh-c | why is it that if i try to open a website in the standard browser this connection manager automaticaly connects to my wlan but if i open a page in minimo for example it doesnt? | 01:40 |
| s-ndh-c | is some way to talk to this connectionmanager thing from code? | 01:40 |
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| gpd | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_SwitchToHostMode <- better | 01:42 |
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| |tbb| | how can i run a script as root user if im not allready in root mode | 01:48 |
| memnoc | make it setuid root | 01:49 |
| memnoc | you will need to become root to set those permissions though | 01:49 |
| |tbb| | how to create a script, if im not familar with vi | 01:50 |
| memnoc | if you don't want to use vi, you a text editor on the 800 | 01:51 |
| memnoc | you don't have to, but it's neater if you specify the first line as the interpreter/shell you want to use like #!/bin/sh | 01:53 |
| memnoc | set the permissions from the shell, so for setuid root, you would wan chmod 4755 <script> | 01:53 |
| memnoc | as root | 01:53 |
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| |tbb| | one more question where to setup that my last inputs in console will more then less 3 as now? | 01:56 |
| chx | memnoc: if you don't want to use vi, you a text editor on the 800 -- care to elaborate a bit? | 01:58 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 01:59 |
| memnoc | chx, there are openoffice type apps on the 800 right? | 01:59 |
| memnoc | like simple text editors | 02:00 |
| memnoc | I would try one of them, otherwise yo could use notepad, and create the file then upload via winscp | 02:00 |
| chx | memnoc: ah. abiword is being ported I hear.I thought there could be other simple editors... nano, anyone? | 02:00 |
| chx | this place is a Microsoft free zone since 2004 fall | 02:00 |
| memnoc | have they ported emacs to the 800 yet? ;) | 02:01 |
| chx | _but of course_ | 02:01 |
| memnoc | heck, wouldn't even need a windows manager then, just emaice and screen :) | 02:01 |
| Fatal | i heard there was some effort to port the n800 to emacs though | 02:01 |
| memnoc | haha | 02:01 |
| sp3000 | er, those are window managers | 02:01 |
| chx | HAHAHA | 02:01 |
| sp3000 | :) | 02:01 |
| chx | this would be bash.org worthy if anyone would understand it... I am in tears from laughter. | 02:02 |
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| * AndyCap wants to be freed from windows managers as well | 02:08 | |
| |tbb| | the note editor makes my created script to an html file, pfff | 02:08 |
| myren | wtf is wrong with those assholes at compusa | 02:14 |
| myren | add the fucking n800 to your god damned web site fuckers | 02:14 |
| myren | so i can track inventory | 02:14 |
| myren | FUCKERS | 02:14 |
| myren | these brick & mortar chains are just stupendously amazing. 80% of the time i walk out of the store empty handed and disgusted. | 02:15 |
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| |tbb| | i was ever thinking echo anything >> bla.sh will put anything as text into blah.sh | 02:20 |
| |tbb| | am i wrong | 02:20 |
| Molagi | how do i get the subtitles working with mencoder? | 02:20 |
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| Molagi | im using the nokia 770 video converter | 02:21 |
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| Molagi | cant get the subtitles working | 02:24 |
| Molagi | does it only support .srt subs? | 02:26 |
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| Tak | Molagi: did you try the -sub argument? | 02:39 |
| Molagi | hmm no | 02:40 |
| Molagi | how do i try it | 02:40 |
| memnoc | tbb, that'll work | 02:40 |
| Tak | mencoder -sub somesubfile | 02:41 |
| Tak | (and of course the rest of your arguments) | 02:41 |
| Molagi | is there some console | 02:41 |
| Tak | ohh | 02:41 |
| Molagi | because im using that windows version of nokia 770 video convertor ;D | 02:41 |
| Tak | I misunderstood; I thought you were actually using mencoder | 02:41 |
| Tak | in that case, I have no idea :-/ | 02:41 |
| Molagi | ok | 02:41 |
| Molagi | gotta download the real mencoder then | 02:42 |
| |tbb| | setting chmod 4755 myscript.sh as root user , s | 02:44 |
| |tbb| | doesnt help to let me run the script with root priviliges | 02:44 |
| memnoc | what does the script do? | 02:45 |
| memnoc | I haven't looked, does the OS have sudo? | 02:45 |
| |tbb| | sudo gainroot , i have installed becomeroot package | 02:51 |
| memnoc | oh, duh | 02:52 |
| memnoc | sorry, actually easiet would be to run your cmd via sudo | 02:53 |
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| ssvb | Molagi: if you use mplayer to watch video on Nokia 770, you can just put subtitles file to mmc card near the video and it should be supported | 02:55 |
| ssvb | Molagi: subtitles file should have the same name as video except for extension | 02:56 |
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| gpd | http://www.bixnet.com/usbmi5matoty.html <-- USB mini 5 male to type a female adapter (gpd bookmark) | 03:29 |
| gpd | http://www.tangshop.com/universal-external-battery-powerbox.html | 03:30 |
| gpd | google keywords: universal external battery | 03:32 |
| nomis | fe | 03:36 |
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| nomis | argh. | 03:36 |
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| gpd | is it trivial to connect two tablets directly to each other via wifi? Zune style? | 04:01 |
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| s-ndh-c | is there some way to simulate the up/down/left/right keys? | 04:03 |
| s-ndh-c | like using up/down for shell history | 04:03 |
| gpd | can't you just use the d-pad? | 04:04 |
| s-ndh-c | oh | 04:04 |
| s-ndh-c | i never tried | 04:04 |
| gpd | up and down are history in xterm for me | 04:04 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 04:04 |
| s-ndh-c | damn | 04:04 |
| s-ndh-c | iam stupid | 04:04 |
| gpd | dude -- this thing is *good* | 04:04 |
| s-ndh-c | that realy works | 04:04 |
| gpd | i keep thinking i've caught it out -- but then it is right there staring me in the face :) | 04:05 |
| gpd | the escape key is also handy -- it is 'back' in the fullscreen browser | 04:05 |
| s-ndh-c | but i screwed my ssh server | 04:07 |
| s-ndh-c | have to figure out whats went wrong there | 04:08 |
| s-ndh-c | oh, i just rebooted and now it works again | 04:09 |
| s-ndh-c | kik | 04:09 |
| s-ndh-c | err lol | 04:09 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 04:09 |
| s-ndh-c | i realy like the 770 | 04:10 |
| * gpd hopes sierra bt keyboard awaits at home | 04:10 | |
| s-ndh-c | yeah something like that would be nice | 04:10 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 04:10 |
| s-ndh-c | using this virtual keyboard thing sucks | 04:11 |
| gpd | yeah -- i wonder how the iPhone people will like it -- maybe there will be a backlash | 04:11 |
| * gpd glares at pile of dead iPods sitting on desk | 04:11 | |
| s-ndh-c | never had one | 04:12 |
| gpd | what instead? | 04:12 |
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| s-ndh-c | creative zen touch, but that thing sucks as it is not recognized as a blockdevice, it uses some strange closed source protocol for communication with the computer | 04:14 |
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| gpd | yeah - that sucks - and if I can get RockBox on a 30G Video I would be happy | 04:19 |
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| gpd | eitherway it would be very cool to use the iPod as an external HDD for the N800 | 04:22 |
| gpd | although if they really have got Linux running on the Zune - then you could in theory use that as a Wifi Mountable drive -- freaky | 04:23 |
| * gpd blathers into the void | 04:23 | |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 04:23 |
| s-ndh-c | sound cool | 04:23 |
| s-ndh-c | now i just have to find an easy way for mounting unmounting my nfs music share | 04:25 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 04:26 |
| gpd | have you tried mpd? | 04:26 |
| gpd | that negates the need to do that | 04:26 |
| gpd | or gmediaserver | 04:26 |
| gpd | depends what you want to do | 04:26 |
| s-ndh-c | whats that | 04:26 |
| s-ndh-c | the music is on a fileserver | 04:26 |
| s-ndh-c | this nfs share | 04:26 |
| gpd | local fileserver? | 04:26 |
| s-ndh-c | it is inanother room and not connected to my stereo | 04:27 |
| gpd | you can use gmediaserver if you want to stream music /to/ your nokia and plug your nokia into a stereo | 04:27 |
| gpd | just run gmediaserver /path/to/music | 04:27 |
| s-ndh-c | sounds great | 04:28 |
| gpd | then go to the nokia media streamer on the tablet | 04:28 |
| gpd | [i assume that is available for 770 too] | 04:28 |
| s-ndh-c | will look for that | 04:28 |
| gpd | apt-get install gmediaserver for me (ubuntu edgy) | 04:28 |
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| cesman | hello hello | 04:41 |
| * cesman can now access the Internet w/ his phone! | 04:41 | |
| * cesman is happy w/ his purchase of the N800 | 04:42 | |
| gpd | cesman: nice work | 04:43 |
| gpd | btw -- i am booked into SCALE -- thanks for the heads up | 04:43 |
| cesman | thnaks | 04:45 |
| cesman | see u there | 04:45 |
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| cesman | now, all I have to do is install maemo mapper! | 05:03 |
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| gpd | cesman: you might need the patched version | 05:03 |
| cesman | a friend is going to let me you her gps receiver | 05:03 |
| cesman | if I like it, I'll get a one | 05:03 |
| djbclark | Is there any way to force the 800 to show what it is doing on bootup (in glorious text)? My device is deciding to blink "Nokia" at me contnuously at the moment. | 05:04 |
| gpd | what make / model? | 05:04 |
| cesman | gpd: me? | 05:04 |
| gpd | cesman: yes the bt gps | 05:04 |
| cesman | her's is a garmin | 05:05 |
| cesman | I'll have to do some research on the one I'd get | 05:05 |
| gpd | djbclark: try booting without sd cards | 05:05 |
| cesman | I need to check my irc log | 05:05 |
| cesman | someone recommended one the other day | 05:05 |
| cesman | think I bookmarked it... | 05:05 |
| gpd | cesman: presumably you can't just plug a regular garmin etrex into the usb port on a tablet -- peripheral mode v. host again.. | 05:05 |
| cesman | no, bluetooth | 05:06 |
| gpd | http://www.garmin.com/products/gps10/ <-- i see | 05:06 |
| cesman | $200! | 05:07 |
| cesman | the one I was looking at is about $90.00 | 05:07 |
| djbclark | gpd: no dice. I suppose I could go try reflashing again without any SD card... | 05:07 |
| gpd | i already have a garmin etrex color -- so another $90 is probably excessive | 05:08 |
| cesman | http://www.buygpsnow.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=509 | 05:08 |
| gpd | djbclark: probably flashing is only option if you can't boot -- but you could wait for better answers from others | 05:08 |
| djbclark | gpd: I did do the flashing already, but that was with a SD card installed... If it matters, the problem started after the reboot from a restore from SD card. | 05:10 |
| * djbclark goes to reflash again | 05:10 | |
| gpd | cesman: the garmin one is only $100 from other sources | 05:12 |
| gpd | although i am not a garmin fanboy - their maps are /expensive/ | 05:13 |
| cesman | if I like what I see w/ maemo mapper, I'll stick w/ the i-blue | 05:14 |
| cesman | that is the same model, the developer uses | 05:14 |
| gpd | do you have the patched maemo mapper for n800? | 05:14 |
| cesman | I have not installed it yet | 05:15 |
| cesman | I'm going to upgrade to latest OS 2007 | 05:15 |
| gpd | http://link.sigkill.net/maemo-mapper_1.3.2_armel.deb | 05:15 |
| cesman | then install | 05:15 |
| cesman | 1.3.4 is out | 05:16 |
| gpd | ah - ok | 05:16 |
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| * djbclark tried reflashing from Windows with the standard image and GNU/Linux with the Developer's image, and is still getting the Nokia "flashing screen of death" :-( | 05:55 | |
| djbclark | --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset argument to flasher seems to have worked | 06:05 |
| * gpd bookmarks flasher rescue argument | 06:16 | |
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| cesman | :) | 06:27 |
| cesman | flash was successful! | 06:27 |
| * gpd finds zoom button in maemo mapper! | 06:29 | |
| gpd | cesman: i now need a bluetooth gps widget :} | 06:29 |
| cesman | :) | 06:34 |
| gpd | cesman: how is it with the iBlue gps? | 06:37 |
| cesman | don't know yet | 06:37 |
| cesman | after I install maemo mapper and play w/ friend gps, I'll decide if I want iBlue | 06:38 |
| cesman | got a link on setting up mapper? | 06:39 |
| gpd | what else is on your list for 'important research' / playing around | 06:39 |
| gpd | you mean a map repository link? | 06:39 |
| cesman | is that all it takes | 06:39 |
| gpd | for the mapping - it seems so. | 06:39 |
| cesman | the info I've seen has been spotty | 06:40 |
| cesman | all you need now is that package? | 06:40 |
| gpd | i installed the maemo-mapper and put the url (in pm) into the map repository | 06:40 |
| gpd | http://highearthorbit.com/maemo-mapper/ | 06:42 |
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| cesman | cool! | 06:45 |
| cesman | the stuff I read earlier made it seem more involevd | 06:45 |
| gpd | wow -- the satelite stuff is very cool - but a little slow | 06:45 |
| gpd | actually -- it is fast now -- :) | 06:46 |
| cesman | gotta setup my repos | 06:46 |
| gpd | hybrid would be nice -- /me looks | 06:46 |
| * gpd starts to get upset with vi - considers fixing port of vim 7.0 | 06:53 | |
| cesman | it would be nice if you could select a list of apps for it to install instead of one at a time | 06:59 |
| gpd | you mean you can only use dpkg -i foo.deb? | 06:59 |
| gpd | or in the Application Manager | 07:00 |
| cesman | no, I'm using the gui | 07:00 |
| gpd | latter -- yes i agree | 07:00 |
| Tak | app manager can't really DL many debs at a time anyway | 07:00 |
| gpd | i gave up with that and started using apt | 07:00 |
| gpd | i would like to find an easy way to get apt to tell me new packages it found after an update | 07:01 |
| Tak | that was probably part of the consideration | 07:01 |
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| Tak | like...available for update, or packages that previously weren't in the repo? | 07:01 |
| gpd | apt-cache dump-avail |grep ^Package |sort > packages_date.txt | 07:01 |
| gpd | Tak: like weren't in there before | 07:01 |
| gpd | aptitude search '~N' -- iirc | 07:02 |
| gpd | not sure about apt version | 07:02 |
| Tak | there may not be | 07:02 |
| Tak | I doubt it comes up much in debian proper | 07:02 |
| gpd | there are new packages quite often -- weekly news has tehm listed | 07:02 |
| cesman | man, time flies | 07:03 |
| gpd | is there a block on porting aptitude? | 07:03 |
| gpd | ie. a technical difficulty? | 07:03 |
| Tak | I would guess lack of anybody motivated to do so | 07:04 |
| gpd | my guess too -- but ocasionally useful | 07:04 |
| gpd | makes putting packages on hold easier imho | 07:04 |
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| Tak | yeah, I always end up doing the --set-selections thing | 07:06 |
| gpd | [ 3691.342987] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled | 07:07 |
| gpd | [ 3692.072601] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 07:07 |
| gpd | i'm still getting that a lot | 07:07 |
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| cesman | doh! | 07:29 |
| cesman | my map has gone all black | 07:29 |
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| Tak | You have been eaten by a grue. | 07:30 |
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| cesman | maemo mapper is cool! | 08:06 |
| cesman | just need a gps to test w/ now | 08:06 |
| bmidgley | it recently stopped working for me | 08:08 |
| bmidgley | I think I need to fix the URI strings | 08:08 |
| cesman | one thing I either don't see or it is missing, is defined point to defined point | 08:09 |
| cesman | or current location to defined point | 08:09 |
| * cesman is hungry | 08:09 | |
| bmidgley | at some zoom levels the sat map is blank | 08:11 |
| bmidgley | switch to the street map if you need to zoom way out | 08:12 |
| Tak | I use it without a gps as a portable, zoomable map of the city | 08:15 |
| * cesman tries to find POI files online | 08:17 | |
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| * gpd grumbles at lack of libpcre3 for armel | 08:25 | |
| * gpd builds | 08:29 | |
| Tak | sounds like a job for mud-builder | 08:30 |
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| gpd | hmm... libpcre3 build and installed | 08:39 |
| gpd | lighttpd built and installed -- but keeps suggesting that i download the html file? | 08:40 |
| Tak | ooo, pixel doubling makes a big difference for xmame | 08:40 |
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| * Tak mutters angrily about xmame not using autotools | 08:51 | |
| keesj | Mögge | 08:54 |
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| Tak | has anybody done a multiple upload to different extras queues with the same package? | 09:12 |
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| gpd | chx: i'm still working on the lighttpd/php-fastcgi stuff | 09:20 |
| chx | gpd: wow | 09:22 |
| chx | gpd: lighttpd itself compile? | 09:22 |
| gpd | yes - and running - displays html so far | 09:22 |
| gpd | just finalizing the php build for fast-cgi | 09:22 |
| inz | Tak, rm packagename_version_arch.upload | 09:23 |
| chx | gpd: this smells 'fantastic' :) | 09:24 |
| gpd | still having problems with xml for php - but not sure about that | 09:24 |
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| gpd | /usr/local/php5/bin # ./php -v | 09:25 |
| gpd | PHP 5.2.0 (cgi-fcgi) (built: Jan 16 2007 23:19:03) | 09:25 |
| Tak | inz: hmm, now it'd bitching about my key | 09:25 |
| Tak | that's what it was doing with --force as well | 09:25 |
| chx | gpd: as said, forget XML for now | 09:29 |
| gpd | well it seems to be running -- but your test script is no faster :( | 09:29 |
| gpd | 0.012605347633362 | 09:29 |
| chx | it should be faster on the second run, I believe | 09:30 |
| gpd | 0.012562005519867 | 09:30 |
| gpd | heh -- not much | 09:30 |
| chx | :( | 09:30 |
| chx | bad. | 09:30 |
| Tak | hmm, maybe keys didn't get replicated correctly? | 09:30 |
| chx | but still, lighty is better -- no need to hack with that cgiwrapper stuff, right? | 09:31 |
| gpd | exactly -- just runs straight with .php | 09:31 |
| gpd | i may not have it running with fast-cgi yet -- not really sure what i am doing with that | 09:32 |
| chx | check phpinfo | 09:33 |
| chx | i think it tells you the current sapi | 09:33 |
| gpd | no mention of sapi :( | 09:35 |
| gpd | http://www.grahamdavies.net/test.html | 09:35 |
| gpd | chx: ^^ | 09:36 |
| chx | Server API CGI/FastCGI | 09:37 |
| chx | there is | 09:37 |
| chx | but it does not tells you which one | 09:37 |
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| cesman | sweet! | 09:39 |
| cesman | the wrapper script for MythTV to use 770-encode.pl is working! | 09:39 |
| gpd | cesman: very nice | 09:39 |
| cesman | now, one more script utilizing udev and when I plug my n800 into a usb port, all transcoded files will be copied over | 09:40 |
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| gpd | what are you using for the transcoding? | 09:40 |
| cesman | 770-encode.pl | 09:41 |
| cesman | mencoder | 09:41 |
| tigert | 770-encode uses mencoder iirc | 09:41 |
| gpd | chx: just ran dokuwiki -- runs on tablet! | 09:41 |
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| gpd | seems reasonably fast | 09:42 |
| chx | o_O | 09:44 |
| chx | blogged http://www.drupal4hu.com/node/29 | 09:44 |
| chx | if you want I could add your name to it :) | 09:44 |
| suihkulokki | cesman: url? =) | 09:45 |
| gpd | nah - i'm happy being anon | 09:45 |
| gpd | chx: now we *really* need Vim on there - not just vi! | 09:47 |
| chx | nano / pico maybe? | 09:47 |
| gpd | well vi is fine -- but vim is nicer | 09:48 |
| gpd | vi is installed by default | 09:48 |
| gpd | (of course) | 09:48 |
| gpd | wow -- having dokuwiki on here is actually quite useful! | 09:49 |
| chx | well, vi is a pain in the ass to use :( | 09:49 |
| cambba | any gaim users here? does it work with n800? I installed it from mistral repository, but MSN not working even with the protocol installed | 09:49 |
| gpd | chx: what is your editor of choice? | 09:50 |
| gpd | cambba: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications -- not tried myself but says 'works' on there -- probably lies | 09:51 |
| chx | gpd: for a limited platform like this, nano | 09:51 |
| cambba | gpd: it starts ok and I can configure the MSN account, but it keeps complaining about missing plugin...maybe other protocols work, don't know | 09:52 |
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| gpd | chx: did you consider virtual hosting (reading your site) | 10:02 |
| chx | gpd: you can't be twenty bucks a year. | 10:03 |
| chx | s/be/beat | 10:03 |
| gpd | how about - nearlyfreespeach.net | 10:03 |
| gpd | that is linux on a /tight/ budget ;) | 10:04 |
| gpd | but i agree - my virtual server is $20/mo not /yr :( | 10:04 |
| chx | and that is very dangerous | 10:05 |
| chx | should something hit your site you pay your ass off | 10:05 |
| chx | Data Transfers (Bandwidth): $1.00 per gigabyte | 10:05 |
| gpd | well - you just don't put more than $5 on there | 10:06 |
| chx | this suggests me that the first started gigabyte per month is 1 dollar | 10:06 |
| gpd | nah you can run at $0 per month if you have no traffic | 10:06 |
| gpd | i use it for a couple of drupal sites | 10:06 |
| chx | but i have a few ten megabytes | 10:06 |
| gpd | so far i have used $0.23 in 6 months ;) | 10:06 |
| chx | hah | 10:07 |
| chx | cool | 10:07 |
| chx | how much is mysql? | 10:07 |
| gpd | free | 10:07 |
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| gpd | all you pay for is the bandwidth | 10:07 |
| gpd | anyway -- heading off now -- let me now when you get a patch for drupal and we can try it out | 10:08 |
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| Guardian | morning | 10:09 |
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| Tak | omfg | 10:16 |
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| tigert | chx: tried amazon s3? | 10:39 |
| tigert | * Pay only for what you use. There is no minimum fee, and no start-up cost. | 10:39 |
| tigert | * $0.15 per GB-Month of storage used. | 10:39 |
| tigert | * $0.20 per GB of data transferred. | 10:39 |
| tigert | its pretty reasonable price, and fast and distributed | 10:40 |
| chx | that indeed also sounds good | 10:40 |
| chx | but, does it come with stuff preinstalled ? | 10:40 |
| tigert | no | 10:40 |
| tigert | its just a data store with an API | 10:40 |
| tigert | for images and files | 10:40 |
| tigert | the idea is you can host photos, videos or whatever your site uses, there | 10:41 |
| chx | ah yes there is another service which gives virtual servers | 10:41 |
| chx | yes... | 10:41 |
| tigert | yea, I would guess so | 10:41 |
| tigert | but for serving data this is pretty reasonable price | 10:41 |
| osfameron | they install vi by default? | 10:42 |
| chx | ye, but what we were talking about gpd is that I blogged about a hosting service I found which bills me 20 bucks a year and gives me PHP and MySQL with SSH with great support so far. I had need for such service for development sites. | 10:42 |
| osfameron | I didn't realise *anyone* still used vi as opposed to vim :-) | 10:42 |
| chx | I find this page http://test.maemo.org/applications/text%20editors/ reassuring | 10:43 |
| tigert | a lot of people use vi because it's there | 10:43 |
| spaetz | it's small and it's there :-) | 10:43 |
| tigert | chx: you can very easily just compile pretty much any console app to maemo | 10:43 |
| tigert | as long as it doesnt hog a huge amount of ram or disk | 10:44 |
| tigert | its pretty much "linux" anyway | 10:44 |
| chx | I guess | 10:44 |
| chx | if lighttpd and php compiled... | 10:44 |
| Veggen | learning vi is never wasted. | 10:45 |
| osfameron | xournal looks nice | 10:45 |
| osfameron | indeed. vi is great, but it's frustrating after getting used to vim | 10:46 |
| Veggen | Hmm. I'd like for Debian packages to be able to be installed under a different tree. that's be nice. The internal memory card could easily hold a lot more applications. Though doubling the amount of built-in-flash should help *a lot* | 10:48 |
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| Veggen | Hmm. Bluetooth PAN and an ssh-based VPN-solution from work to home. That's what I need to set up to be able to use the tablet on the net from work too. hmm. | 10:50 |
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| osfameron | PAN ? | 10:50 |
| Veggen | eh, isn't that what it's called. or maybe it was something else. | 10:51 |
| Veggen | It's direct networking over bluetooth, not dialup. | 10:51 |
| osfameron | oh, Personal Area Network ? | 10:52 |
| Veggen | mmm. | 10:52 |
| osfameron | like using a BlueOnyx to stream your media files | 10:52 |
| osfameron | couldn't you just use the wifi ? | 10:52 |
| Veggen | sure. But I doubt I'd be allowed. | 10:53 |
| Veggen | Not that bluetooth is | 10:54 |
| osfameron | :-) | 10:54 |
| Veggen | *that* much better, security wise. But probably it'd go off unnoticed, at least :) | 10:54 |
| Veggen | hmm. Firewall it off so that it would only be allowed to access outside network, perhaps. | 10:54 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
| pcfe | Veggen: you're the wiki master (i.e. root), right? | 10:57 |
| Veggen | definitely not. | 10:57 |
| pcfe | ah, damn, nick confusion | 10:58 |
| pcfe | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalogWishlist is still 500 | 10:58 |
| pcfe | :( | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | Tak: you've seen me at weekend then? (cape & tights) | 11:01 |
| Tak | hehehe | 11:01 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:20 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:32 |
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| pcfe | FFS, wasn't vdso supposed to be working with scratchbox Apophis? | 13:02 |
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| pikanapsu | ERROR: Scratchbox dir '/scratchbox/users/pikanapsu//scratchbox/tools/bin' is missing! | 13:05 |
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| pikanapsu | help :)? | 13:05 |
| pikanapsu | first login worked.. but when i did reboot it doesn't work anymore | 13:05 |
| pikanapsu | and.. i get white screen with xephyr.. should it bee like the background of XDM | 13:06 |
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| pikanapsu | Anyone awake?:D | 13:18 |
| pikanapsu | pikanapsu@rokkalap:/scratchbox/sbin$ ./sbox_umount_all | 13:22 |
| pikanapsu | /scratchbox/users/pikanapsu/scratchbox/dev/pts: No such file or directory | 13:22 |
| pikanapsu | :/ | 13:22 |
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| sKaBoy | have you started scratchbox? /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start (or similar..) | 13:25 |
| vidarino | how about sbox_mount_all? (instead of umount) | 13:25 |
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| vidarino | and you probably have to do it as root. | 13:26 |
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| pikanapsu | sKaBoy: ? | 13:39 |
| pikanapsu | when must i run /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start | 13:40 |
| pikanapsu | ? | 13:40 |
| florian_kc | hi all | 13:40 |
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| Molagi | woot my n800 arrived | 14:14 |
| Molagi | unpacking it now <3 | 14:14 |
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| wumpus | wish mine would arrive :) | 14:29 |
| pcfe | before I start googling; has anybody bothered to write a SELinux policy for scratchbox? | 14:32 |
| Veggen | anyone else had problems with the locking mechanism on the internal SD card? | 14:37 |
| Veggen | I think I'll need to put a bit of tape across it, just to keep it in place. and it's not broken, it just is that way. | 14:38 |
| pcfe | If you mean that the physical latch is flimsy and wobbly, then yes | 14:38 |
| Veggen | it has wobbled off and made the internal card unavailable for me. | 14:39 |
| Veggen | (afew times since monday) | 14:39 |
| pcfe | OTOH I've had a few mobile phones with the same crappy latch. | 14:39 |
| pcfe | Guess some bean counter found a way to save a cent or two | 14:40 |
| pcfe | Veggen: that is IMHO a warranty claim. | 14:40 |
| Veggen | pcfe: well...if they're all like that? | 14:41 |
| Veggen | and I'm not sure I'm ready to be without it for a month or two for something like that ;) | 14:41 |
| pcfe | point | 14:41 |
| pcfe | at least make some (polite but to the point) feedback. Crappy latches on a 400+ EUR device is just not nice | 14:42 |
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| Veggen | sure. | 14:43 |
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| jonek | hi, I tried to use Xephyr again since a long time and it fails with "Xephyr unable to use SHM XImages | 14:43 |
| jonek | Fatal server error: | 14:43 |
| jonek | could not open default font 'fixed' | 14:43 |
| jonek | " what's wrong? I use it over ssh and xforwarding | 14:43 |
| Jaffa | jonek: I recently had an X server error like that on an Ubuntu Edgy box which hadn't been fully upgraded from Dapper | 14:49 |
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| nnod | jonek: fix your font paths | 15:06 |
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| ptman | Hi! | 15:10 |
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| ptman | python2.5 for maemo doesn't seem to include something that the module "threading" depends on | 15:11 |
| ptman | threads are quite nice to have | 15:11 |
| ptman | processes are not nearly as lightweight | 15:11 |
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| pahartik | ptman: Python 2.4.2 does have "threading" | 15:22 |
| wumpus | I remember threading with python is a bit limited due to the global interpreter lock that is active while executing python code | 15:24 |
| jonek | nnd: on which machine? | 15:24 |
| wumpus | but that might be a long time ago :) | 15:24 |
| mgedmin | it's still true, though | 15:25 |
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| nnod | jonek: the machine you're running X from | 15:25 |
| jonek | nnod: I think the font path is ok an my local machine. (the one where I start ssh to the scratchbox machine.) | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | ptman: it's ok in my 770... | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | look: | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | Nokia770-39:~# python2.5 | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | Python 2.5 (r25:8986:9082, Jan 15 2007, 13:23:39) | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | [GCC 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)] on linux2 | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | >>> import threading | 15:27 |
| aCiDBaSe | >>> | 15:27 |
| ptman | hmm... | 15:28 |
| ptman | python2.4 certainly works for me | 15:28 |
| ptman | but not python2.5 | 15:28 |
| aCiDBaSe | in N800 too... :/ | 15:28 |
| ptman | and I have a 770 | 15:29 |
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| Molagi | what is the newest version of OS 2007? | 15:29 |
| jonek | nnod: an 'xterm -fn fixed' works fine local and over xforwarding on the scratchbox machine | 15:30 |
| aCiDBaSe | ptman: strange, it's ok here in my devices (770 and N800)... | 15:30 |
| ptman | I'll have to try wiping my 770 and installing python2.5 cleanly | 15:31 |
| ptman | I've messed around in quite many ways | 15:31 |
| luck | ptman, are you using the latest scirocco image? | 15:31 |
| ptman | a december one | 15:31 |
| luck | ok | 15:32 |
| Molagi | is the version 2.2006.51-6 newest? | 15:33 |
| jtra | Molagi: that is for 770, and there is 2007 version for N800 | 15:34 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:35 |
| luck | version 2.2006.39-14 is the newest from maemo.org | 15:37 |
| jtra | ah, indeed 2.2006.51-6 is OS 2007 it seems, its name is just confusing | 15:46 |
| nnod | jonek: that's good to know | 15:49 |
| nnod | jonek: wait, i misread that, do you mean you didn't fix the problem? | 15:50 |
| jonek | nnod: I didn't fix it :-( | 15:51 |
| jonek | nnod: I'm currently updating my SDK_PC target in sbox... | 15:52 |
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| * Jaffa wonders why koen's blog post takes up so much room on the top of pmo | 16:03 | |
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| Jaffa | Ah, there's a "<br clear='all' />' in there :) | 16:04 |
| koen | heh | 16:05 |
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| jonek | *urgh* I f***ed my sbox SDK_PC seriously during an apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.com/861255 any ideas how to fix that? | 16:08 |
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| part | jonek: what did you upgrade from? | 16:24 |
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| jonek | part: an old rootstrap install (deb http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/ 2.0rc16 free non-free) - never used the SDK_PC on that sbox installatione before. | 16:26 |
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| part | jonek: 2.0? did you upgrade that to 2.1 or something? | 16:26 |
| part | just remove the target and install a new rootstrap | 16:28 |
| jonek | part: ok - I wanted to avoid that but it seems there is no other way | 16:29 |
| part | there is no other way, upgrading a target is not supported | 16:30 |
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| Molagi | how long does it take to recharge n800 | 16:34 |
| Molagi | ive been recharging it for 45minutes now | 16:34 |
| Molagi | still isnt full | 16:34 |
| part | yes, it seems it takes longer than 45 minutes. | 16:35 |
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| chx | rootstrap? that's a new word. one learns every day. :) | 16:36 |
| part | chx: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.0/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.0_armel.tgz is a rootstrap file | 16:38 |
| chx | thx | 16:38 |
| jonek | part: I've updated the ARMEL target a few times already - no problems | 16:39 |
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| part | jonek: it might work, but it's not supported, just as upgrading between releases on the device with packages | 16:41 |
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| jonek | part: ok I wasn't aware of that (upgrading targets not supported) I tought it was the recommended procedure to go from let's say maemo 2.0 to 2.1 | 16:43 |
| memnoc | hi, so I woke this morning to find I was unable to poweron my 800, just goes into an infinate reboot screen after the nokia logo is displayed | 16:43 |
| pcfe | memnoc: try the following: | 16:44 |
| pcfe | power down (worst cvase by removing battery) | 16:44 |
| pcfe | remove any present MMC/SD card | 16:44 |
| pcfe | power up again | 16:44 |
| pcfe | tell us how it goes | 16:44 |
| jonek | part: how can I remove a target?? | 16:46 |
| memnoc | without the charger plugged in, it gets to the nokia screen and turns off, with it plugged in it gets into a loop | 16:47 |
| memnoc | of on for about 10s then off | 16:47 |
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| memnoc | last thing I did last night was add some RSS feeds | 16:47 |
| jonek | part: there is only --reset-target | 16:47 |
| part | jonek: yes, reset the target and use a new rootstrap | 16:49 |
| jonek | part: actually what I tried was: v2.0rc16 -> v2.0 (mistral) | 16:49 |
| part | jonek: that might just work, the package selection is just about the same | 16:50 |
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| jonek | part: is resetting a target == removing it? | 16:51 |
| jonek | part: it was really fast | 16:51 |
| part | jonek: not quite, but what I meant was reset, really | 16:52 |
| memnoc | if the battery becomes completely drained would I see this type of behavior? | 16:53 |
| part | memnoc: no, the device would no longer turn on at all | 16:54 |
| memnoc | ok, because it seems like it's not even staying on long enough for me to flash it again | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | memnoc: charge the battery for a few minutes, then try turning it on | 16:55 |
| part | memnoc: if the battery is fairly empty, it would do that | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | ah, but you already did that and got a reboot loop :-/ | 16:55 |
| memnoc | yeah | 16:55 |
| memnoc | removed sd cards (had 2) | 16:56 |
| suihkulokki | someone mentiones busybox update from sdk caused the same effect at mameo-users list | 16:56 |
| memnoc | oh, actually ;) | 16:57 |
| memnoc | I did that right before my RSS update | 16:57 |
| memnoc | opened app manager and saw there was an update avaiablable | 16:57 |
| suihkulokki | try flasher --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | but charge the battery first, before reflashing | 16:57 |
| memnoc | ok, thanks, don't have a linux box handly (except through vmware) will try in a bit | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | isn't busybox a system package that is not shown by the app manager? unless you enable red pill, of course | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | there's a windows flasher as well | 16:58 |
| part | mgedmin: should be, yes | 16:58 |
| memnoc | I have red pill enabled ;) | 16:58 |
| * suihkulokki wonders WTF is there a broken busybox in sdk in the first place | 16:58 | |
| mgedmin | you will have to reflash the image anyway, to get the working busybox | 16:58 |
| memnoc | there is a win flasher, but I cna't pass that option | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | suihkulokki: sdk packages are not supposed to be installed on the device | 16:59 |
| memnoc | so the above, is probably a waste anyway? | 16:59 |
| inz | memnoc, red pill mode is asking for trouble =) | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | although sometimes it works | 16:59 |
| memnoc | well, I know unix/linux pretty well, it's not like a *removed* system packages ;) | 16:59 |
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| mgedmin | maemo is more fragile than a typical unix/linux system :/ | 17:00 |
| part | suihkulokki: it's for sbrsh, and definitely not meant to be installed on the device | 17:01 |
| memnoc | I needed red pill for something ;) | 17:02 |
| memnoc | anyway, I don't mind reflashing, the device isn't mission critical to me | 17:02 |
| Veggen | uhm...there are useful packages that are not shown without red pill. | 17:02 |
| Veggen | That might be because of bad repository layout, though. | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | more risk == more gain | 17:03 |
| suihkulokki | part: howabout calling it something else than busybox, then? :P | 17:03 |
| kaatis | suihkulokki, sdk version of busybox doesn't have mount because it doesn't support nfs | 17:03 |
| Tak | really?! | 17:03 |
| * Tak jumps off a bridge | 17:03 | |
| kaatis | how about not using sdk repository on the device | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | that's the best solution | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | but we need a replacement repository rich with useful packages then | 17:04 |
| part | mgedmin: extras? :) | 17:04 |
| Tak | mud-builder to the rescue! | 17:04 |
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| keesj | inz, ? | 17:14 |
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| jonek | part: thx for your help. now I have an up to date SDK_PC target and working Xephyr again *sigh* | 17:21 |
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| pahartik | which process is responsible for showing that "shutdown/keylock menu" an activity timeout locking of Nokia 770? | 17:31 |
| Molagi | hmm how do i add stuff on the memory cards via usb | 17:31 |
| nwk | as every flash | 17:31 |
| lardman | pahartik: Probably one of the dsme tasks | 17:31 |
| Molagi | first time i use flash | 17:31 |
| Molagi | my comp doesnt recognize this | 17:32 |
| Molagi | when i add it | 17:32 |
| nwk | it is flash | 17:32 |
| nwk | just mount it | 17:32 |
| Molagi | does it have to be shutdown when mounting it | 17:32 |
| nwk | I think it will sleep | 17:33 |
| lardman | pahartik: it may be something along the lines of libactivitymonitor.so.0.0.0, look at the output of ps. I think that;s one of the modules that dsme runs | 17:33 |
| inz | keesj, ? | 17:34 |
| pahartik | lardman: I am wondering because menu does not show up and device is not locking itself after timeout | 17:34 |
| Molagi | ok booting | 17:34 |
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| inz | pahartik, systemui | 17:35 |
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| lardman | pahartik: do you have lifeguard resets turned off? | 17:36 |
| lardman | inz: That;s the process name? | 17:36 |
| pahartik | lardman: not that I know of | 17:37 |
| memnoc | ok, re-flashed via windows flasher and same thing, stuck in a reboot loop | 17:37 |
| lardman | pahartik: Don't worry, I was just guessing assuming it was run by dsme | 17:37 |
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| pahartik | inz: "systemui" says "systemui[1526]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - main: assertion `init_osso(app_ui_data)' failed", when starting it manually | 17:38 |
| * Jaffa gives Tak the mud-builder plug of the day award :-) | 17:39 | |
| * Tak makes room on his mantel | 17:39 | |
| * Jaffa 's hoping to have the first, stable, cut-down mud-built packages uploaded to Extras by the end of the week. | 17:39 | |
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| inz | pahartik, try either run-standalone.sh or use the initscript | 17:44 |
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| pahartik | inz: one was already running, I did "kill -HUP" "systemui" and it appeared again with another PID... still no dialog for shutdown | 17:48 |
| Guardian | lifguard resets turns on highlight :) time to tweak the settings | 17:48 |
| inz | pahartik, is there libpowerkeymenu.so in /usr/lib/systmeui? | 17:50 |
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| Molagi | hmm how do i close the usb storage thing so i can remove the cable | 17:52 |
| pahartik | inz: "libsystemuiplugin_power_key_menu.so" does have timestamp from 2006-05-26 | 17:52 |
| Molagi | it says "cant remove" | 17:52 |
| inz | pahartik, then I dunno what's wrong... | 17:53 |
| inz | pahartik, unless mce is not running, or is unresponsive | 17:53 |
| pahartik | inz: strange situation, has not happened to me before | 17:54 |
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| Jaffa | Gah, I'm getting emails to @maemo.org addresses bounced back. | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: the maemo servers seem very buggy lately. | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | maemo.org is down for me too. | 18:00 |
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| Jaffa | It was saying "Message content rejected" so I've rewritten my mail to appear less spammy. | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | Hmm nice :) | 18:02 |
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| memnoc | question, a reflash of the latest OS for my 800 didn't work, do I just need to set the no-lifegauard-reset via the linux flasher, or do I need to set that option and then reflash again? | 18:05 |
| pahartik | inz: tried "/etc/init.d/mce restart" and "/etc/init.d/osso-systemui restart", but no result | 18:07 |
| pahartik | inz: not sure about how to investigate further, so I will just "poweroff" and see if that helps | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: bah, rejected again. | 18:09 |
| lle2 | Jaffa: I think maemo.org is dead | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | I think I've found out why Extras isn't more widely used. | 18:09 |
| lle2 | now it's alive again | 18:09 |
| memnoc | *really* slow to load | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | lle2: yeah, but I can't email them to tell them ;-) | 18:09 |
| lle2 | ;) | 18:09 |
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| pahartik | inz: shutdown dialog is back again... | 18:12 |
| keesj | Jaffa, why is that? | 18:12 |
| keesj | my reason for not using it is that it requires a debian install | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I can't email them to ask for the account! | 18:13 |
| keesj | just for the singing | 18:13 |
| Tak | scratchbox? | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | keesj: do they say why you shouldn't use debsign in scratchbox? | 18:13 |
| keesj | I don't remember | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | Doesn't seem to explain why on the current page. | 18:18 |
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| Tak | anyone have a link to a good doc for libxv? | 18:25 |
| Molagi | how can i remove n800 safely from my computer, the usb is attached and it wont let me unmount it | 18:27 |
| Molagi | stupid windows | 18:27 |
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| Pierre | Molagi: still having a open window with the n800 drive? | 18:28 |
| Pierre | (or a console) | 18:29 |
| Molagi | no | 18:29 |
| wumpus | yeah windows has that wonderful problem sometimes | 18:29 |
| wumpus | too bad it has no fuser -kc like linux | 18:30 |
| Pierre | not only windows, it is common to every OS. You cannot unmount a FS which is still in use somewhere. | 18:30 |
| Pierre | only questions is where is "somewhere" ;) | 18:30 |
| Molagi | yeah | 18:30 |
| wumpus | sure, but in linux at least you can easily find out which process and kill it | 18:31 |
| wumpus | I never could in windows, just have to reboot | 18:31 |
| wumpus | maybe you can download/buy some utility for it though.. | 18:31 |
| Molagi | hmm | 18:31 |
| Molagi | anything in mind? | 18:33 |
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| osfameron | there's fuser -kc in cygwin | 18:34 |
| wumpus | Molagi: I googled a bit http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/ | 18:34 |
| osfameron | my cygwin doesn't have lsof though which is annoying | 18:34 |
| Molagi | oh nice | 18:36 |
| Molagi | thx | 18:36 |
| Molagi | gonna give it a try | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | Molagi: there's also Process Explorer from SysInternals which'll tell you what's locking a path | 18:37 |
| Molagi | ok | 18:37 |
| Tak | I thought all the sysinternals stuff went away? | 18:37 |
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| glass | ms bought them or something | 18:42 |
| glass | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx | 18:42 |
| Tak | yeah, that's why I thought it went away | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | I thought you could still get it, which glass' URL suggests you can | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | If not, I'll zip it up. | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, it's there. | 18:44 |
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| Molagi | well cant get it removed :( | 18:47 |
| Molagi | gotta do things the old fashion way | 18:47 |
| Molagi | boot -> | 18:47 |
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| lardman | You could always specify that Windows optimises for quick removal (no write caching) in which case just ignore the warning | 18:53 |
| Tak | hah - does anyone know if the minimo port will run under a standard (no hildon) linux installation? | 18:54 |
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| ||cw | there's a standard minimo port too | 19:01 |
| Tak | ah - all I found was the windows mobile one | 19:01 |
| Molagi | hmm how do i get irssi to n800? | 19:02 |
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| ||cw | Molagi: if maemo.org was up, it would be easy | 19:04 |
| ||cw | Molagi: if you can find the package, it's also pretty easy | 19:04 |
| Tak | seems like it's up | 19:04 |
| ||cw | it's been up and down the last couple days | 19:04 |
| Molagi | hmm ok | 19:04 |
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| * sp3000 ponders whether to blame irssi or the osso-xterm for showing his nick white on white when in black on white mode | 19:06 | |
| Molagi | application seems to be down | 19:06 |
| Molagi | but the main page opens | 19:06 |
| sp3000 | white on black doesn't work that well in sunlight :) | 19:07 |
| Molagi | oh it opened | 19:07 |
| sp3000 | says something about the season that it took me over a week to find oiut | 19:07 |
| pahartik | sp3000: edit "theme" used on Irssi | 19:08 |
| sp3000 | yeah I was planning to look at themes | 19:08 |
| sp3000 | but I suppose there's arguably a bug in one or the other? | 19:09 |
| Molagi | whick one is better osso xterm (advanced) or osso xterm | 19:09 |
| Molagi | what the difference | 19:09 |
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| sp3000 | oh, have you noticed that the term doesn't respond to mode changes after opening another tab | 19:09 |
| glass | white on white happens with any term set to white-on-black with irssi | 19:10 |
| sp3000 | mode as in fullscreen and erversecolor that is | 19:10 |
| glass | frejfjsdlsd | 19:10 |
| glass | black on white | 19:10 |
| Molagi | does n800 support http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/ | 19:10 |
| Molagi | ? | 19:10 |
| sp3000 | glass: yaeh I'm thinking that probably shouldn't happen | 19:11 |
| sp3000 | not that that means it's completely avoidable | 19:11 |
| glass | sp3000: irssi doesnt know the bg color apparently | 19:11 |
| glass | or set it, if it did you'd have the themed white on black again.. | 19:12 |
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| pahartik | sp3000: another thing... Experiment with 'export COLORFGBG="0;15"' | 19:13 |
| sp3000 | hrm, sorry, the effect where the term stops responding to fullscreen, zoom, and reversecolor is after closing a tab | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | COLORFGBG is interesting, is it set automatically by any of the multitude of xterms out there? | 19:16 |
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| * pahartik thinks that most Irssi themes are good only for exactly same terminal and settings theme was created for | 19:20 | |
| Molagi | hmm how do i open irssi with xterminal? | 19:22 |
| Molagi | or some kind of program to irc | 19:23 |
| sp3000 | hmm, http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm says something about color selection support in an update | 19:23 |
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| Tak | hmm - how accurate is the bora scratchbox env wrt the hardware? | 19:23 |
| * sp3000 goes find out if that means selecting one or both of the problematic whites ;) | 19:23 | |
| lle2 | Tak: if you setup your sbox to use sbrsh for cpu-transparency, it's pretty close | 19:24 |
| Tak | how about the display? | 19:24 |
| lle2 | you get to run your arm binaries on the device itself | 19:24 |
| Tak | heh, I don't have a device :-P | 19:25 |
| * sp3000 slaps the app update thinger for not showing source repo | 19:25 | |
| pahartik | sp3000: good point | 19:26 |
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| lle2 | Tak: depends what you want to do, if you're looking at developing device drivers or dsp stuff, it's not close at all, but for application stuff it's close enough I suppose | 19:27 |
| Guardian | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=947 when does nokia usually claim ownership ? :D | 19:27 |
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| pahartik | sp3000: it could show URL of target package | 19:27 |
| Tak | eh, I'm looking at messing with various things for accelerated scaling | 19:28 |
| lle2 | then it's not close enough, imho | 19:29 |
| Tak | but I'm pretty much running blind here | 19:29 |
| lle2 | you need the actual hw to do specific optimizations, of course working on the general quality of the algorithm etc can be done on whichever cpu | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | Blimey, I hadn't seen the Opie port: http://lekernel.lya.eu/opie770.html | 19:31 |
| lle2 | scratchbox is not an emulator | 19:31 |
| lle2 | it's a build environment which some people abuse as an emulator | 19:31 |
| Tak | yeah, I know it's not an emulator | 19:32 |
| Tak | just wondering about the extent to which I can abuse it ;-) | 19:32 |
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| Molagi | where can i get password for downloading irssi through xterminal | 19:34 |
| sp3000 | looks like the new xterm color selection does allow me to select an off-white bg without afecting the bright white text, so that works | 19:34 |
| lle2 | I hope this sbox-as-an-emulator concept dies with sb2 and something more appropriate comes to do the emulation part | 19:34 |
| sp3000 | of course it makes the white text in white-on-black less bright too, but, meh | 19:36 |
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| sp3000 | oh, http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-July/001638.html was annoying | 19:38 |
| * sp3000 calls that a missing dependency :) | 19:39 | |
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| sp3000 | hmm, looks like my issue with fullscreen/zoom/revcolors is fixed too | 19:46 |
| sp3000 | I was just writing up a bug | 19:46 |
| sp3000 | don't you hate that | 19:46 |
| sp3000 | when people fix your issues before you get to report them | 19:46 |
| sp3000 | bastards | 19:46 |
| Tak | in a happy kind of way :-P | 19:47 |
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| osfameron | woot n800 arrived! | 19:50 |
| Tak | wow - is it likely that my /scratchbox is really 3G ? | 19:50 |
| osfameron | can I play with it straight away? the instructions aren't tellling me to charge it over night first... or else | 19:50 |
| koen | Jaffa: are you recognized as a cool developer yet? | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | Tak: sounds feasible to me. That's why I don't want to have to double the number of rootstraps to support Maemo 2.2 & Maemo 3 concurrently. | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | koen: nope. You? | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | Anyone else? | 19:51 |
| koen | nope | 19:51 |
| Tak | no kidding | 19:51 |
| Tak | not I, said the chicken | 19:52 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: ta for the email about mud - very encouraging: all very good points and I'll try and get the docs updated maybe this evening. | 19:57 |
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| keesj | It is really great and I want to be a host for a certain target | 19:58 |
| Jaffa | Cool :) | 19:58 |
| * cesman has partially working udev rule and script to sync video files :/ | 19:58 | |
| Jaffa | cesman: very, very nice. (I'd be interested in seeing that - when it's working ;-)) | 19:59 |
| cesman | :) | 19:59 |
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| Jaffa | OK, my mails to maemo-developers are bouncing too. I'll consider myself suitably rejected :-) | 19:59 |
| Tak | lol | 20:00 |
| Tak | "You're too prolific! We don't want you anymore!" | 20:00 |
| cesman | it is simply, but I'll share once I have the bugs worked out | 20:00 |
| Jaffa | Tak: "Here, have a discount code" would be a better response | 20:00 |
| cesman | I have it working on one of my systems but not the other | 20:00 |
| cesman | udev isn't creating the dev node entry | 20:01 |
| cesman | since I have two SDs, udev runs the script that copies twice | 20:01 |
| Jaffa | Ah. | 20:01 |
| cesman | here is the rule so far: | 20:03 |
| cesman | KERNEL=="sd*", BUS=="scsi", ATTRS{model}=="N800 ", SYMLINK+="n800", R | 20:03 |
| cesman | UN+="/usr/local/bin/sync_n800.sh" | 20:03 |
| cesman | well, real work calls | 20:04 |
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| Molagi | how can i specify a password to use su? | 20:05 |
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| keesj | Molagi, You first need to be root , after that you can change the password using the password command | 20:06 |
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| Molagi | ok | 20:07 |
| Molagi | how can make myself root | 20:07 |
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| sp3000 | https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot (or google maemo root) | 20:07 |
| Molagi | ty | 20:07 |
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| Molagi | does n800 have that same screen breaking problem what 770 had | 20:09 |
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| Tak | screen breaking problem? | 20:11 |
| Molagi | https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 20:12 |
| Molagi | the first lines | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | Tak: there's a bind mount or two inside /scratchbox; it's really only 2 gigs | 20:12 |
| * sp3000 hasn't heard any reports of early reboot screen funniness | 20:12 | |
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| Tak | I was wondering, but 2G is pretty bad too, for having to maintain two instances | 20:13 |
| sp3000 | that page could use some editorial attention :) | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | yeah, scratchbox 1 is fat | 20:13 |
| sp3000 | should probably factor the screen funniness discussion out with a link | 20:13 |
| * chx makes a complete root out of himself | 20:13 | |
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| * sp3000 roots for chx | 20:14 | |
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| sp3000 | do we require login to wiki the wiki or am I being blind | 20:16 |
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| tko | sp3000, only on the pages collecting most spam IIRC | 20:17 |
| k-s | guys, something weird with new n800 | 20:18 |
| tko | other than the users?-) | 20:19 |
| k-s | in SDL applications, if you keep the screen pressed, after some time it emits a sound and then acts like another click | 20:19 |
| k-s | tko: do you know of any behaviour that changed in X? | 20:19 |
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| ||cw | is it maybe doing a right click? | 20:20 |
| tko | k-s, you'd better ask daniels | 20:20 |
| ||cw | that's the general behaviour with a touch screen | 20:20 |
| Tak | sounds like a right-click to me as well | 20:20 |
| tko | ||cw, no, it's not automatic behavior | 20:20 |
| Veggen | ok, I got the bad busybox installed, me too ;P | 20:20 |
| Veggen | (my first N800 reflash. Oh well) | 20:21 |
| tko | at least I haven't heard of SDL emulating right-click that way | 20:21 |
| k-s | daniels: ping... :-) | 20:21 |
| k-s | tko: ok | 20:21 |
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| k-s | tko: are u taking care of gtk yet? | 20:21 |
| Veggen | I'm just to used to Debian. Best to install upgraded packages. | 20:21 |
| tko | k-s, yet? I'm trying to let it go, sort of | 20:22 |
| k-s | tko: :-) | 20:22 |
| k-s | tko: so, are you waiting for vsync to avoid tearing effects? | 20:22 |
| tko | I really need to get xan do all the work :) | 20:22 |
| k-s | tko: canola looks terrible on n800, too much tearing :-( | 20:22 |
| tko | k-s, I'd have to flip a coin to give an answer... | 20:23 |
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| k-s | tko: too bad | 20:24 |
| k-s | :-( | 20:24 |
| k-s | tko: do you have any guys working on optimizing gtk for devices? | 20:24 |
| k-s | AFAIK gtk works in 32bpp, converting images to 16bpp in order to display | 20:25 |
| k-s | these vsync stuff... | 20:25 |
| sp3000 | oh it does say "protected page" there, yeah | 20:25 |
| sp3000 | I am being blind :) | 20:25 |
| tko | busy porting stuff to gtk 2.10, and gtk isn't that high up in the profiles anyway | 20:26 |
| tko | for example we don't do that much 24/32 bit blitting | 20:26 |
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| k-s | tko: widgets are drawn using 16bpp? | 20:26 |
| * sp3000 wonders why the wiki's login page is so weird | 20:26 | |
| k-s | tko: when will 2.10 be ready? | 20:27 |
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| ferulo | k-s: it is on going :) | 20:27 |
| tko | it's API compatible already, though lacking some functionality | 20:27 |
| k-s | ferulo: but will it make into n800 or just next device? | 20:28 |
| tko | k-s, please don't force us to kill you :) | 20:28 |
| k-s | tko: ok, ok | 20:28 |
| k-s | ehehhe | 20:28 |
| Tak | I'm looking forward to the n1000's liquid metal morphing ability | 20:28 |
| tko | anyway, we'll be working pretty much on stage and uploading packages to 'experimental' so you'd be able to follow up somewhat | 20:29 |
| tko | sardine/experimental that is | 20:30 |
| k-s | tko: great | 20:30 |
| k-s | tko: will it include cairo, right? | 20:30 |
| tko | cairo 1.2 is already in sardine | 20:30 |
| tko | 2.10 requires cairo, so yeah | 20:30 |
| k-s | tko: great... many apps were ported to cairo... like gnumeric | 20:31 |
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| pvanhoof | sup MDK | 20:32 |
| k-s | tko: who is the maemo-desktop maintainer? | 20:32 |
| pvanhoof | are you visiting FOSDEM, MDK ? | 20:32 |
| pvanhoof | make sure you remind me to buy you some chocolats then :) | 20:32 |
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| tko | you know the drill, Somebody was supposed to announce what we're doing around gtk, then he assigned Nobody to do it while Everybody is waiting, ... | 20:35 |
| tko | k-s, the ones whose names are in changelog and commit messages? | 20:35 |
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| sp3000_ | mmmm bt vera mono | 20:36 |
| sp3000_ | readability *= 1.5 | 20:38 |
| Molagi | how do i change nick in irssi | 20:39 |
| Molagi | when not connected | 20:39 |
| k-s | tko: I mean, the name/mail <--> irc nickname :-) | 20:39 |
| Molagi | it sets default nick user, how do i change it | 20:39 |
| sp3000 | http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Irssi_Tutorial (google irssi set-nick) | 20:39 |
| Molagi | ty | 20:40 |
| sp3000 | that seems to claim /set nick and /nick to be equiv but I doubt it | 20:40 |
| * sp3000 tests | 20:40 | |
| * sp3000 has been using irssi -n nick | 20:40 | |
| tko | k-s, oh. I've seen jobi here, can't recall if lucasr stops by | 20:40 |
| pvanhoof | tko, me and macslow are planning to discuss bling-on-mobiles at FOSDEM, are you interested to join our meeting? | 20:40 |
| k-s | tko: so, lucasr is working on that? Great :-) | 20:40 |
| pvanhoof | tko, the story is that if we'll get a serious discussion and a nice bullet-points-list of things to implement (like libraries, APIs and other stuff), that I might move 50% of my tinymail time to that | 20:41 |
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| pvanhoof | and I expect macslow to join me on that, if it's serious of course | 20:42 |
| pvanhoof | however, you know me. No-bullshit guy once I'm really interested :) | 20:42 |
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| pvanhoof | and with bling I mean, things that apple now does have (for example on the iPhone) that our platform doesn't have | 20:43 |
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| Molagi | how can i switch between the channels with irssi? | 20:43 |
| tko | pvanhoof, sounds interesting | 20:44 |
| lle2 | expose-like feature would be nice | 20:44 |
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| tko | ferulo, we're sending MDK there, right? :) | 20:44 |
| lle2 | the current "task-list" is quite lame | 20:44 |
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| tko | but it's so window-ish, how can it be wrong?! :) | 20:45 |
| ferulo | haha | 20:45 |
| pvanhoof | tko, yes well, I was thinking about involving some of the guys that might also be interested. Like cairo people, X11/KDrive people, some gtk+ dudes etc | 20:45 |
| ferulo | I don't know yet who is going there | 20:45 |
| lle2 | of the other macbling I don't really care that much for | 20:45 |
| pvanhoof | I just don't want to make it a huge meeting with all sorts of opinion-guys or a forum | 20:45 |
| ferulo | but I promised today to tim to be there so... | 20:45 |
| pvanhoof | it's actually to get some things done | 20:45 |
| pvanhoof | :) | 20:45 |
| tko | pvanhoof, exactly why I'm trying to get MDK there :) | 20:45 |
| pvanhoof | but maybe it wont happen .. depends on a lot factors | 20:45 |
| sp3000 | t | 20:46 |
| sp3000 | whoops | 20:46 |
| pvanhoof | yes, MDK .. I will give you chocolats | 20:46 |
| pvanhoof | tko, promise him chocolat | 20:46 |
| pvanhoof | he'll come | 20:46 |
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| pvanhoof | tko, are a lot Nokians coming? | 20:47 |
| Veggen | there should be a smarter backup system on the Nokia. | 20:48 |
| Veggen | (...he said, as he had just flashed his N800 and not having done any backup ;P) | 20:48 |
| pvanhoof | backups are for the weak, the strong put their stuff on an ftp as GPL and let the world back it up | 20:49 |
| pvanhoof | the ultimate redundancy | 20:49 |
| Veggen | mmmm, yes, I know of that :) | 20:49 |
| pvanhoof | we even have specialized version control systems for that | 20:50 |
| Veggen | but, I'd like something that selectively backs up 1) all system settings, 2) the package list/repositories, for later reinstall, 3) all the files under the users home-dir. And now I mean *all* | 20:50 |
| Tak | tar handles #3 quite nicely ;-) | 20:51 |
| lle2 | best would be if you could tell the thing to use one of the removables as your "home" | 20:51 |
| pvanhoof | you can make a little script with gconftool that does #2 | 20:51 |
| pvanhoof | err #1 | 20:51 |
| Veggen | yah, but as long as you have a newbie-friendly smart backup system, I guess #3 wpuld also make sense. | 20:51 |
| pvanhoof | and with dpkg --get-selection you can do #2 | 20:51 |
| Molagi | how can i switch between the channels with irssi? | 20:52 |
| pvanhoof | now wrap this knew know-how in a little gtk+ ui, and distribute it? | 20:52 |
| lle2 | Molagi: esc-N | 20:52 |
| Molagi | like channel 1 and 2 | 20:52 |
| wumpus | Veggen: what about rsync :) | 20:52 |
| tko | pvanhoof, some, we should get to the gtk meeting at least | 20:52 |
| pvanhoof | jep | 20:52 |
| Veggen | mm, maybe I should make a smarter backup system... | 20:53 |
| pvanhoof | I can probably arrange larger rooms for focus groups if I have exact numbers | 20:53 |
| tko | hmm, 1) is supported by backup app already, 2) and 3) could be implemented as simple extensions to the backup framework if I've understood it correctly | 20:53 |
| pvanhoof | but if only some are coming, I'm not going to ask for more | 20:53 |
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| Molagi | lle2 what button is esc? | 20:53 |
| tko | pvanhoof, I think we won't be invading fosdem like we did gmae at boston :) | 20:54 |
| pvanhoof | I knew I had to come :) | 20:54 |
| dottedmag | anyone already asked for the full source code for ITOS2007 as on http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/? | 20:54 |
| dottedmag | GPL,LGPL parts, surely. | 20:54 |
| pvanhoof | well, usa .. I wont visit that country with their current administration | 20:54 |
| lle2 | Molagi: uh, it could be one below the d-pad | 20:54 |
| Molagi | ok | 20:55 |
| pvanhoof | http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/ .. no tinymail yet? :) | 20:56 |
| Molagi | doesnt work ;O | 20:56 |
| pvanhoof | guess I'll have to work harder | 20:56 |
| tko | no tinymail but there's osso-email :) | 20:56 |
| Molagi | i press esc and N on the keyboard? | 20:56 |
| pvanhoof | osso-email :) | 20:56 |
| lle2 | Molagi: yeah, something like that | 20:56 |
| lle2 | Molagi: not simultaneously, one after the other | 20:57 |
| tko | pvanhoof, well, the source is out there so anyone could fix it, right? :) | 20:57 |
| pvanhoof | tko, so will it be osso-modest soon then? :) | 20:57 |
| pvanhoof | I'll ask djcb | 20:57 |
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| pvanhoof | well, it's starting to look nice and useful on the desktop at least | 20:57 |
| lle2 | tko: does the email client work? I've been very reluctant to point it at anything | 20:57 |
| tko | pvanhoof, yes, ask djbc.. we haven't been discussing it recently but I vaguely recall something about name change | 20:57 |
| tko | lle2, quite frankly, I haven't even started it on 2007 | 20:58 |
| lle2 | tko: after seeing the source code ~2 years ago I decided not to risk my email | 20:58 |
| pvanhoof | lle2, that's a good idea :) | 20:58 |
| pvanhoof | I don't think they improved it, because they are probably working on another solution for that problem | 20:58 |
| pvanhoof | :) | 20:58 |
| pvanhoof | but.. I don't know :) | 20:58 |
| lle2 | ;) | 20:59 |
| |tbb| | i wonder why the build in viewer wont have a slideshow function | 20:59 |
| pvanhoof | tko, has jdub actually announced GMAE at Boston, or only talked about announcing it? | 21:01 |
| pvanhoof | because I haven't yet seen its website appear publicly | 21:01 |
| tko | pvanhoof, I think the plan was to announce it at linuxconf.au (or however you spell it) | 21:02 |
| pvanhoof | aha so he's going to announce it one of these days? | 21:02 |
| pvanhoof | because linuxconf.au is now. Right? | 21:02 |
| tko | we'll see | 21:02 |
| pvanhoof | ok, or maybe at fosdem? in that case you guys need to storm Belgium :) | 21:03 |
| pvanhoof | or invade | 21:03 |
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| sp3000 | aren't you forgetting something | 21:05 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows if openssh is working with os7? | 21:06 |
| tko | sp3000, could be, just can't recall what | 21:06 |
| sp3000 | pl! | 21:06 |
| sp3000 | ahhhahaha. | 21:07 |
| * sp3000 contemplates http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoXchat and how to interpret the parenthetical | 21:08 | |
| * sp3000 would prefer to keep his number of repos down | 21:08 | |
| sp3000 | besides, the mhackers pkgs have bigger numbers :) | 21:09 |
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| sp3000 | which, as we know, is everything | 21:09 |
| tko | I still can't quite understand why people don't upload packages to extras but rather force users to configure N+1 repositories... | 21:10 |
| dottedmag | tko: I wrote in the mailing list: extras is just unknown for developers. | 21:12 |
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| |tbb| | any idea when gpsd will work on the n800? | 21:12 |
| sp3000 | so I guess it wants a bit of an evangelism effort | 21:13 |
| dottedmag | tko: any Ubuntu maintainer knows about Ubuntu Universe, but many Maemo maintainers don't even realize Maemo Extras exist. | 21:13 |
| sp3000 | prominent placement by example would help | 21:13 |
| dottedmag | sp3000: exactly. | 21:13 |
| Tak | cmon, fceu and xmame are in extras - isn't it famous yet?! :-P | 21:13 |
| dottedmag | sp3000: I would add visible link to wiki at the beginning of software list. And probably would generate list of software in Maemo Extras in human-parseable format. | 21:14 |
| tko | ok, wouldn't be the first where our way of putting information forward isn't well received | 21:16 |
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| mgedmin | tko: when I first created my 770 repository for myself, extras didn't exist (or wasn't advertised) | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | and now I'm too lazy to figure out how to get a garage account etc. | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | besides, nobody uses my repository but myself, I assume | 21:25 |
| tko | please someone think of the kittens.. and users | 21:25 |
| * mgedmin intends to get his act together, build a rich vim deb, and upload it to maemo extras | 21:26 | |
| Tak | s'ok, if you don't have better luck than Jaffa, you won't be able to request a garage/extras account anyway ;-) | 21:26 |
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| keesj | i have 184 ruby 1.8.4 downloads | 21:44 |
| keesj | not that bad for something advertised in the WIP | 21:46 |
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| florian_ | re | 21:52 |
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| |tbb| | any idea how to use http://videovoip.tableteer.nokia.com/invitation.xhtml this nokia thing on a linux machine? | 21:53 |
| |tbb| | hi florian | 21:53 |
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| ferulo | |tbb|: you should try with wine :( | 21:56 |
| tko | ferulo, you didn't find native linux version? | 21:57 |
| ferulo | no :( | 21:58 |
| tko | this is one of those slaps-head moments.. | 21:58 |
| |tbb| | wont work | 22:00 |
| |tbb| | i like the error msg | 22:01 |
| ferulo | some g_spawn thing? | 22:01 |
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| |tbb| | ELF 0xb7f26000-b7f40000 Export libwine.so.1 | 22:03 |
| |tbb| | ELF 0xb7f57000-b7f6f000 Deferred ld-linux.so.2 | 22:03 |
| |tbb| | Threads: | 22:03 |
| |tbb| | process tid prio (all id:s are in hex) | 22:03 |
| |tbb| | 00000008 (D) C:\Program Files\Nokia Internet Call Invitation (Beta)\bin\xiscall.exe | 22:03 |
| tko | hmm, but there's sources available.. could those be built on linux? | 22:04 |
| |tbb| | perhaps, but i am not :/ | 22:05 |
| ferulo | tko: where are those sources? | 22:05 |
| |tbb| | http://videovoip.tableteer.nokia.com/pcclient/NICI_Source.tar.gz | 22:05 |
| tko | see http://videovoip.tableteer.nokia.com/invitation.xhtml and 'Want to get the Source Code for the included Open Source Software? Click here.' at the bottom | 22:05 |
| Guardian | evening | 22:06 |
| ferulo | gme-0.2-7.tar.gz | 22:08 |
| ferulo | gst-plugins-bad.test-stripped.tar.gz | 22:08 |
| ferulo | gst-plugins-base.tar.gz | 22:08 |
| ferulo | gstreamer-no-gpl.tar.gz | 22:08 |
| ferulo | libdscapture.tar.gz | 22:08 |
| ferulo | libiconv-1.9.2-only-lgpl-source-code.tar.gz | 22:08 |
| ferulo | libjingle-0.3.0.tar.gz | 22:09 |
| ferulo | liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz | 22:09 |
| ferulo | libxml2-2.6.24.tar.bz2 | 22:09 |
| ferulo | so no source code for the application | 22:10 |
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| ferulo | xan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjWQYqCVzo | 22:26 |
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| daveaitel | hello all | 22:38 |
| daveaitel | does anyone have an update on python/maemo for the Nokia 800? | 22:38 |
| daveaitel | apparantly it's not there by default? | 22:38 |
| Tak | it's in the garage extras repository | 22:39 |
| epx | yes, it is not included in SDK anymore | 22:39 |
| epx | pymaemo.garage.maemo.org | 22:39 |
| daveaitel | have you guys run into overhead problems in the nokia 700? I'm hoping they're fixed in the 800 | 22:40 |
| daveaitel | but we just got our first one in for testing | 22:40 |
| daveaitel | (http://www.immunityinc.com/products-silica.shtml) | 22:40 |
| daveaitel | (thanks, btw) | 22:40 |
| Tak | overhead problems? | 22:40 |
| daveaitel | overheat, sorry | 22:41 |
| daveaitel | i.e. device gets hot, then random things crash due to memory errors | 22:41 |
| Tak | no, I've never had a heat issue | 22:41 |
| daveaitel | perhaps it is because we have a memory chip in it we're over-using | 22:41 |
| Tak | and I've been known to run mine at 100% cpu from completely full to empty battery | 22:41 |
| daveaitel | interesting | 22:42 |
| Tak | time flies when you're playing dragon warrior ;-) | 22:43 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: do you have wifi on when encountering crashes due to memory errors? | 22:43 |
| daveaitel | I've never played dragon warrior | 22:43 |
| daveaitel | yes - the device is used as a portable wifi scanning and attack tool | 22:43 |
| daveaitel | so wifi is always on | 22:43 |
| daveaitel | and in most cases, being used | 22:43 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=820 | 22:44 |
| daveaitel | as is the mmc chip | 22:44 |
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| ssvb | I also initially thought that it could be overheating, or low battery, or just bad memory | 22:44 |
| daveaitel | ah | 22:44 |
| daveaitel | interesting | 22:44 |
| daveaitel | we never use WPA as of current | 22:45 |
| guerby | daveaitel, what package do you use for wifi scanning? | 22:46 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: anyway, when running memtester (or any application with which uses a lot of memory), memory corruption problems occured with wifi connection on | 22:46 |
| daveaitel | our own | 22:46 |
| daveaitel | we sell a commercial wifi-scanner based on the nokia | 22:46 |
| daveaitel | and that pretty much describes us: we use a lot of memory :> | 22:47 |
| guerby | daveaitel, N800 has more of it :) | 22:47 |
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| daveaitel | yeah, we're currently testing the N800 to see if this solves the problem | 22:47 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: can you try running some tests to confirm if it is the issue in your case? | 22:47 |
| daveaitel | (we do have screenshots on the above case) | 22:47 |
| daveaitel | (the above case meaning: us doing a scan, not us replicating the crash, although I guess we can get some) | 22:48 |
| daveaitel | we can run tests if there is something that would help narrow this down | 22:48 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: unfortunately nobody at Nokia could reproduce this bug yet :( | 22:48 |
| daveaitel | that sounds like all fun bugs :> | 22:49 |
| daveaitel | I'll point our dev team to that bug and see if they can identify it closer | 22:50 |
| daveaitel | if not: we'll be back here to annoy you with more questions :> | 22:50 |
| daveaitel | we notice that putting the n770 in the fridge has helped us | 22:50 |
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| daveaitel | if the device doesn't reboot, then it's going to be harder to identify the memory corruption, I assume | 22:51 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: memtester program allocates as much memory as possible and does some tests in it, if it encounters any problem (memory contains data that is not supposed to be there), it reports error | 22:52 |
| ssvb | ordinary programs such as browser or anything else may just crash because of its data getting corrupted | 22:53 |
| ssvb | I noticed this trouble when running lzma compressor test (wanted to use it as some kind of benchmark), it reported crc errors so it became apparent that there is something wrong with stability | 22:54 |
| daveaitel | is it possible the wifi chip is sitting next to a temperature sensitive memory chip? | 22:55 |
| daveaitel | because we don't use WPA | 22:55 |
| daveaitel | but it makes sense that WPA would heat up the chip more | 22:55 |
| daveaitel | assuming WPA is done in silicon | 22:55 |
| tzz | daveaitel: wow, $3600 for that software. That puts it out of my range. It looks nice, though. | 22:55 |
| daveaitel | it's mostly .gov and .mil customers | 22:55 |
| daveaitel | and .cop | 22:55 |
| tzz | daveaitel: I like the shipping date. February 1st. No year specified :) | 22:56 |
| daveaitel | the software is a variation of our product CANVAS (which you can also click on) | 22:56 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: while I use WPA myself, it probably needs additional tests to investigate if it really affects stability | 22:56 |
| daveaitel | hahaha. Feb 1st 2007. :> | 22:56 |
| daveaitel | to be exact, we plan on shipping at 9am EST | 22:56 |
| daveaitel | but we'll have demos at RSA | 22:56 |
| daveaitel | (a security conference in San Fran) | 22:56 |
| daveaitel | so you can check it out then | 22:56 |
| ssvb | daveaitel: As you don't use WPA and still have problems, probably WPA is unrelated (if it is the same bug of course) | 22:57 |
| daveaitel | CANVAS is pure-python, so porting to the Nokia was not too hard, minus various issues like this memory bug | 22:57 |
| daveaitel | It does LOOK like the same bug | 22:57 |
| tzz | daveaitel: yeah, I figured it wouldn't be hobbyists buying this thing anyhow. It's handy though, if security is your job. | 22:57 |
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| daveaitel | a hobbiest would probably try to build their own, but the market is in people who can't build their own and just want it to work. Of course, having it have random memory errors makes this problematic. :> | 22:58 |
| tzz | daveaitel: why have I seen so many people use "hobbiest" lately? I'm pretty sure it's not standard English. Just wondering. | 23:03 |
| tzz | daveaitel: I'll keep Silica in mind, if I find someone who needs it. It certainly sounds like a good product. | 23:03 |
| Tak | maybe they mean "hobbitiest" ;-) | 23:03 |
| tzz | maybe "hobbyist" just looks wrong to most people... | 23:04 |
| ||cw | yeah, but it's the right one | 23:04 |
| ||cw | they both look wrong to me though | 23:04 |
| Tak | I blame phonics | 23:05 |
| ||cw | i think because it needs to be ist, est is somethign else, and hobbiist looks weirder | 23:05 |
| Tak | "Just spell it like it sounds!" Yeah, that's not a good idea in Texas | 23:05 |
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| tzz | English doesn't have a monopoly on words that look weird, but it definitely has a big share of the market. It's like the language was bolted together from exceptions. | 23:07 |
| * pahartik thinks of "hobbitist" | 23:07 | |
| tzz | It certainly makes programming a challenge. Pluralization is nearly impossible to do right. | 23:07 |
| univac | there is a xosd hacker? ;p | 23:07 |
| Tak | that's what you get from a bastard mix of german, greek, french, and gaelic | 23:08 |
| pahartik | Tak: oh... it is? | 23:08 |
| ||cw | and latin, spanish, and a whole bunch of just plain made up stuff | 23:09 |
| zyxul | its mainly german and greek | 23:09 |
| Tak | well...most of the latin came through french | 23:09 |
| daveaitel | tzz - it's a fun project. I used hobbiest because someone else did I think! | 23:18 |
| shapr | Hey, does anyone know if the N800 supports A2DP? | 23:18 |
| shapr | If it does I'll take back the iPod shuffle I just bought, and spend that money on a Nokia BH-501 stereo bluetooth headset instead. | 23:19 |
| daveaitel | tzz - mostly I love how the nokia has made it easy and cheap to develop embedded linux projects. Having pyGTK working makes our lives impossibly easy! :> | 23:19 |
| shapr | c0ffee: What's the word on A2DP or even btsco on the N800? | 23:19 |
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| zyxul | the python 2.5 environment installation fails on the n800, it says its missing some deps. I tried to install it from the install manager | 23:20 |
| memnoc | to run --set-rd-flags=n-lifegaurd-reset, first I would issue a --enable-rd-mode? | 23:21 |
| epx | zyxul, did you try to install python2.5-runtime? | 23:21 |
| zyxul | thats what i tried | 23:21 |
| aCiDBaSe | zyxul: add the "http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free" repository in your application installer... | 23:22 |
| aCiDBaSe | zyxul: we will add this information in installation instructions asap | 23:22 |
| zyxul | I got that setup | 23:22 |
| zyxul | it says missing: libglade-2.0 libsdl-tiff2.0.0 and libgdbm3 | 23:23 |
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| shapr | I want to listen to music while unicycling. I've been waiting for stereo bluetooth music profile for my 770 for a year. I gave up and bought an ipod shuffle instead. Is there some possibility that L2CAP or A2DP will appear in the next week or so? Should I return my iPod? | 23:23 |
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| myren | do either of those profiles exist on the N800? | 23:24 |
| shapr | I don't know. I only have a 770. | 23:24 |
| Tak | shapr: did you see the ML thread "Bluetooth Headseat Support - Status update?" ? | 23:24 |
| shapr | no! | 23:25 |
| * shapr checks! | 23:25 | |
| aCiDBaSe | zyxul: ok, but this packages are provided by the SDK repository (http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free) | 23:25 |
| zyxul | not listed | 23:25 |
| aCiDBaSe | strange... it works on our N800... | 23:26 |
| zyxul | catalog name: maemo | 23:26 |
| zyxul | web address: http://repository.maemo.org, Distribution: bora, Components: free non-free | 23:26 |
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| Tak | add the / on the end of the url | 23:27 |
| zyxul | btw the python2.5 doesnt even list if I dont add extras | 23:27 |
| zyxul | sorry it was added | 23:27 |
| zyxul | I need to either do repository.maemon.org/extras/ or free non-free extras | 23:28 |
| zyxul | to get the python listing | 23:28 |
| Gluz | is it difficult to move to pythos if you have coded before only with c++ and java? | 23:28 |
| daveaitel | not at all | 23:28 |
| daveaitel | you'll know python in a day | 23:28 |
| daveaitel | and you'll wish you'd never heard of C++ or JAva | 23:28 |
| Gluz | hmm...sounds good | 23:28 |
| Gluz | :) | 23:28 |
| daveaitel | literally a day | 23:28 |
| Tak | otoh, if you're already familiar with C, why bother with python? | 23:28 |
| epx | yes, this is expected since python is in extras | 23:28 |
| daveaitel | however: I recommend getting a good editor | 23:28 |
| * Tak python hater | 23:28 | |
| aCiDBaSe | zyxul: yes, you need to add 2 repositories: 1 - the maemo sdk repository and 2 - the extra repository | 23:28 |
| daveaitel | the hardest thing to get over is Python caring about whitespace | 23:29 |
| zyxul | yeah tried that too | 23:29 |
| daveaitel | try WingIDE | 23:29 |
| Gluz | i was thinkin some kind of remote to control modded xbox...have to give it a try | 23:29 |
| daveaitel | once you program with libglade everhything else seems primitive | 23:29 |
| zyxul | does the order matter? | 23:30 |
| zyxul | i mean all of this ends up being added into apt sources anyway | 23:30 |
| epx | should not matte | 23:30 |
| Gluz | Tak: i'm thinking of python because everyone seems to recommend it :) | 23:30 |
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| zyxul | Gluz: might want to try lisp | 23:30 |
| shapr | Tak: Lots of detail in this thread, thanks for the pointer! | 23:30 |
| Tak | yeah, just like everyone recommends VB on windows | 23:31 |
| Tak | shapr: np, hope it helps | 23:31 |
| Gluz | why lisp? | 23:31 |
| daveaitel | I've built a whole company on Python - we took our commercial product for Windows/Linux/OS X and ported ot the Nokia in a few weeks of cramming down memory consumption | 23:31 |
| zyxul | suprior as a language | 23:31 |
| tzz | daveaitel: agree, developing for Maemo is much easier than the embedded devices I have programmed over the years. PalmOS counts too, btw, what a piece of junk... | 23:31 |
| Gluz | ok :) | 23:31 |
| epx | python is perfect :) | 23:31 |
| AndyCap | daveaitel: with gui? | 23:31 |
| shapr | I suggest Haskell :-) | 23:31 |
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| daveaitel | AndyCap: yes, with the GUI | 23:32 |
| daveaitel | our GUI is pyGTK on Windows/Linux/OS X | 23:32 |
| daveaitel | we had to remap a few keys on the Nokia | 23:32 |
| daveaitel | (Although now we use a native Hildon GUI) | 23:32 |
| daveaitel | (in pyHildon or whatever) | 23:32 |
| Gluz | well...I have to wait a while before coding because my N800 just died today.. | 23:33 |
| daveaitel | The main thing I like about Python is we can hire people and train them in it in 1 day, as opposed ot Haskell/Lisp | 23:33 |
| Gluz | hopefully, I can get it fixed tomorrow | 23:33 |
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| * tzz doesn't use Python yet. Perl and Lisp 90% of the time, C/shell/Java the other 10%. Thinking about Python a lot lately though, and Ruby too (seems like a big Ruby market right now). | 23:33 | |
| AndyCap | guess it'll be python-hildon or something for my remote control need as well | 23:34 |
| shapr | daveaitel: I'd argue that you could train someone in python 1.5.2 in one day, but I'm not so happy about the syntax additions after that. | 23:35 |
| daveaitel | hahaha | 23:35 |
| daveaitel | sure | 23:35 |
| daveaitel | There's a lot of things about Python that suck | 23:35 |
| shapr | Python has been my day job for the previous six years, but now I have a Haskell job. | 23:35 |
| daveaitel | Really? | 23:35 |
| daveaitel | where? | 23:35 |
| daveaitel | (if I may ask) | 23:35 |
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| shapr | Self employed contract programmer. I mostly did zope & plone, but I did lots of custom stuff. | 23:35 |
| shapr | Oh wait, you mean the Haskell job? | 23:36 |
| daveaitel | yeah | 23:36 |
| shapr | I work for HAppS LLC. It's based in NYC, but I'm firmly based on my couch in Birmingham, AL | 23:36 |
| shapr | We coordinate over jabber, irc, and do pair programming on skype. | 23:36 |
| AndyCap | Gluz: died on it's own, or external influence? | 23:36 |
| daveaitel | My friend Jake Zurgen is a huge fan of Haskell, but I can't enjoy anything statically typed. | 23:37 |
| Gluz | AndyCap: it didn't hit anywhere if that's what you mean :) | 23:37 |
| Gluz | just doesn't start anymore | 23:37 |
| daveaitel | happs.org? | 23:37 |
| shapr | daveaitel: It's not statically typed in the sense that C/Java/etc are statically typed. It's more like dynamically typed at compile time with type inferencing. | 23:37 |
| shapr | daveaitel: yup | 23:37 |
| AndyCap | Gluz: just fearing for my own N800. :P | 23:38 |
| Gluz | :) | 23:38 |
| Gluz | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4016&page=3 | 23:38 |
| Gluz | i wrote about it there | 23:38 |
| Gluz | last post | 23:38 |
| desrt | the conference is funny. geeks are going around trying to score themselves free n800s | 23:39 |
| shapr | daveaitel: I could go on in however much detail you want, but I also think pushy is a bad thing, so drop by #haskell and ask me questions if you want. | 23:39 |
| shapr | desrt: Greetings Fellow Haskell User! | 23:39 |
| zyxul | have you guys created an sshd packages for the n800 ? | 23:39 |
| desrt | shapr; hello. how are you? | 23:39 |
| daveaitel | pushy? | 23:39 |
| shapr | Life is good! I just got back from unicycling around the golf course. | 23:39 |
| * desrt is downunder | 23:40 | |
| rev | wow, a haskell job | 23:40 |
| rev | what do you get paid to program in haskell? | 23:40 |
| shapr | daveaitel: I don't want to drone on about nifty Haskell features if this is just friendly chatter :-) | 23:40 |
| desrt | nokia sent a small detachment of employees to visit me :) | 23:40 |
| shapr | rev: Right now, a web application framework, it's way cool. | 23:40 |
| * rev uses Smalltalk... no sense using a watered down wannabe like Ruby or Python... :P | 23:40 | |
| shapr | It has some unique features and a bunch more on the way. | 23:40 |
| rev | shapr: sounds like it! | 23:40 |
| rev | shapr: er, more so i meant: "I imagine!" | 23:40 |
| shapr | daveaitel: But if you want to hear more... I've got lots! | 23:41 |
| |tbb| | gluz, have u tried to turn on ur device while its on ac? | 23:41 |
| shapr | desrt: Are you at cse.UNSW? | 23:42 |
| s-ndh-c | hm why does that sdk installer not work? | 23:42 |
| s-ndh-c | it just prints : bad trap and exits | 23:42 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 23:42 |
| shapr | desrt: Are you going to migrate back to Cale & Co, or are you doing something education down there? | 23:42 |
| Gluz | tbb: yes, i think i have tried everything :) | 23:42 |
| Tak | s-ndh-c: run it with bash | 23:42 |
| desrt | shapr; i'm at shalom.UNSW | 23:42 |
| shapr | desrt: I don't know that department. | 23:43 |
| desrt | shapr; linux.conf.au is on | 23:43 |
| s-ndh-c | Tak: bash i my default shell | 23:43 |
| Gluz | (btv: how do you send message to someone here? sorry, noob.. :) ) | 23:43 |
| rev | shapr: i'd be interested in hearing more, actually ... i get paid to do java+tomcat using a custom framework, but when i do web stuff outside of my main job i use squeak+seaside, which is super-powerful with a lot of neat features, lots of which are hyped bigtime now that they showed up in Rails... but i bet you can do some crazy, weird and cool stuff in Haskell | 23:43 |
| shapr | ohh | 23:43 |
| desrt | shap; it's just the name of the residence that i happen to be sleeping in | 23:43 |
| shapr | aha | 23:43 |
| Tak | s-ndh-c: yeah, but the top of the script is #!/bin/sh , right? | 23:43 |
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| shapr | rev: Yeah, check out the architecture notes - http://happs.org/HAppS/README.html#architecture | 23:44 |
| s-ndh-c | Tak: i see | 23:44 |
| shapr | desrt: So you will be back in .ca after that? | 23:44 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 23:44 |
| rev | shapr: will do! | 23:44 |
| desrt | shapr; i go back on sunday :( | 23:44 |
| s-ndh-c | thx | 23:45 |
| desrt | + as much as i love my country.... it's really warm here. | 23:45 |
| daveaitel | We're based in Miami Beach :> | 23:45 |
| daveaitel | but I head to singapore tomorrow | 23:46 |
| shapr | rev: One of the amazingly cool features to arrive in GHC recently is software transactional memory. In a nutshell, it allows compositional concurrency without difficulties. It may not be a silver bullet, but it's at least bronze :-) | 23:46 |
| shapr | Once again, I could go on in great detail, but I'd like to *keep* this job, so let's talk more later. | 23:46 |
| desrt | anyway... i'm gonna go get some breakfast and write my talk | 23:46 |
| desrt | shapr; don't suppose you know anything about beamer? | 23:47 |
| rev | shapr: is it some thing you get for free, or does it involve a bunch of extra work to use? | 23:47 |
| Gluz | i'm gonna go to sleep, so see you all tomorrow :) | 23:47 |
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| daveaitel | hmmm | 23:49 |
| daveaitel | sounds interesting | 23:49 |
| daveaitel | compositional concurrency | 23:49 |
| Molagi | hmm why is mplayer lagging like hell on n800? | 23:51 |
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