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| framerate | have a good weekend, fellas. | 00:04 |
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| framerate|afk | ps. it was trenka who rebuilt that maemo mapper for N800 | 00:05 |
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| EvilG | Hi, I need some help regarding my Bluetooth Keyboard; can anyone please assist or give me a hint on where to find help? | 01:10 |
| EvilG | I have a "Smart Bluetooth Keyboard" which can be used with kbdd. I used xmodmap to fix the layout for the german keys. | 01:11 |
| Disconnect | 770 or n800? | 01:11 |
| EvilG | 770 | 01:11 |
| Disconnect | got the bluetooth plugin? | 01:12 |
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| EvilG | Nope, works fine without. But some keys only produce characters in xterm, not in other apps. | 01:12 |
| EvilG | especially german "Umlaute" or the EuroSign. | 01:12 |
| Disconnect | dunno. the 770 input methods are a disaster, i'd use the bluetooth plugin and see how that works. | 01:13 |
| Disconnect | (the 800 uses standard input methods, so a ton of the problems went away) | 01:13 |
| Disconnect | its somewhat late in the day for most of the people likely to have intl keyboards | 01:14 |
| EvilG | disaster seems a pretty accurate description :-/ | 01:15 |
| Disconnect | hopefully the engineering release will fix it | 01:15 |
| EvilG | i hope so too | 01:16 |
| EvilG | maybe it is an x11 problem, though. xev gives me: | 01:16 |
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| EvilG | KeyPress event, serial 21, synthetic NO, window 0x1200001, | 01:16 |
| EvilG | root 0x37, subw 0x0, time 499027017, (185,261), root:(265,321), | 01:16 |
| EvilG | state 0xc0, keycode 26 (keysym 0x20ac, EuroSign), same_screen YES, | 01:17 |
| EvilG | XLookupString gives 0 bytes: | 01:17 |
| obra | is there genuinely no perl in the bora repository | 01:17 |
| * obra is surprised | 01:17 | |
| EvilG | 0 bytes is the prob - most keysyms work correctly, though | 01:18 |
| Disconnect | there's a mapping file.. don't remember where tho :( been a long time since i messed with that (back when most multimedia keys, like, say, the windows key ;) weren't mapped in X) | 01:18 |
| Disconnect | xkeysyms maybe, something like that can map them on the fly | 01:19 |
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| EvilG | i'll have a look at that... | 01:21 |
| Disconnect | for a simpler fix (maybe..) try taking out all the custom stuff and using the bluetooth plugin, it might Just Work. (and if not, well, thats why you save all the stuff you take out :) ..) | 01:21 |
| EvilG | i think that the bt plugin is intended for hid keyboards, but mine is an older one and needs kbdd. at least the bt plugin was not able to connect to the kbd | 01:26 |
| Disconnect | ah ok | 01:27 |
| * Disconnect grrs. dsp_dld keeps rebooting my n800 :( | 01:27 | |
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| Jaffa | lo koen | 01:52 |
| koen | hey Jaffa | 01:52 |
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| chx | hi. do we know whether the N800 has a powered USB port or not? another question, I was looking at this http://www.hpc.ru/lib/arts/2258/htc_x7500_athena.jpg and was thinking "is there a BT keyboard which would let me do this with the Nokia 770/N800"? It just needs a good holster mechanism... | 02:49 |
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| Jaffa | chx: I think the answer on "powered USB port" is a "no" | 02:49 |
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| Disconnect | chx: same usb as 770 | 02:51 |
| chx | I see. Not good news :( | 02:51 |
| Disconnect | (remember, the hardware isn't designed for usb host. its -capable- of it, but thats different....) | 02:51 |
| chx | sure. And what about a good keyboard for the tablet? | 02:52 |
| * Disconnect likes the thinksecret bluetooth foldable. | 02:52 | |
| Disconnect | got it for the 770, still like it on the 800 | 02:52 |
| chx | Got an URL? | 02:53 |
| chx | (I thought thinksecret was an Apple rumour site. I could be wrong, of course) | 02:53 |
| Disconnect | yah stowaway but its got some other name printed on it iirc | 02:54 |
| Jaffa | ThinkOutside | 02:54 |
| Disconnect | thinkoutside, thats it | 02:54 |
| Disconnect | heh yah | 02:54 |
| Disconnect | http://www.thinkoutside.com/stowawaybt_product.html | 02:54 |
| Disconnect | expensive but (to me at least) worth it. over a year of use, only one battery change (and that was recent) | 02:55 |
| chx | then I am contemplating gadgets like Nokia N95, HTC TyTN and such, a keyboard can't be called expensive :) | 02:55 |
| chx | s/then/when | 02:55 |
| Disconnect | heh | 02:55 |
| * Disconnect thinks it was ~$100USD when he got it, not $150, but that might be wrong | 02:56 | |
| Disconnect | no dedicated number row, thats my biggest irritation with it | 02:56 |
| chx | there is no gadget that matches my needs. I might need to wait for the HTC Kaiser. But that'll be still Windows Mobile :( | 02:57 |
| Disconnect | (mine just says 'think' and it doesn't even say that very clearly anymore :) ..) | 03:01 |
| chx | :) | 03:03 |
| chx | I *might* be better with a slim HSDPA phone (Samsung has very nice ones) , a BT GPS receiver , a keyboard and the N800 than putting all these together in one fat package which runs Windows | 03:04 |
| chx | I saw at Maemo Garage that there is a mapper. That's cool. | 03:05 |
| Disconnect | thats sorta where i'm going (although i don't have a slim phone - 9300i) | 03:05 |
| Disconnect | maemo mapper does maps (google maps, draws on top of it) gpsdrive does vectors (half-ported) | 03:06 |
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| Disconnect | maemo mapper can (in theory) load routes that say "follow this path, alert at these turns" etc.. gpsdrive can say "how do I get there from here".. | 03:07 |
| chx | and, does it public transport? | 03:09 |
| chx | I am looking forward on moving to Vancouver and that's a *huge* place. Somewhat easy to get lost. | 03:10 |
| chx | I would love to have to gadgets that tell me 'you should get off the bus at the next stop' :) | 03:11 |
| jonek | WOW! That last mail on bluetooth head set support is by far the most detailed information EVER published by Nokia bout this topic!! | 03:15 |
| Jaffa | mkdiYup! | 03:15 |
| Jaffa | xxxx | 03:15 |
| jhe | jonek: you're welcome :) | 03:15 |
| Jaffa | jhe: I very much appreciated it, even if it doesn't directly impact me at the moment. | 03:16 |
| Milhouse | Thanks Johan :) | 03:17 |
| Milhouse | I'm the OP - the one with the SE W950i as well | 03:18 |
| jhe | it's mostly a resourcing and prioritization issue why it hasn't been dealt with earlier. at least now we have official software requirements for it. | 03:18 |
| jhe | Milhouse: ah, yes, hi :) | 03:18 |
| jonek | it doesn't impact me, too. one eye cries because it has taken so long until such detailed information was released. the other one laughs because now we know what's in the pipe. thx Johan! | 03:21 |
| jonek | jhe: I assume in the TI related paragraph you mean "so there is NO guarantee that it'd work"? | 03:24 |
| jhe | jonek: yes, it's a typo | 03:25 |
| Milhouse | jhe: seems pessimistic - are you just being overly cautious? | 03:25 |
| jhe | I talked to our bluetooth kernel developer this week and he was quite skeptical of it working (not that he'd tested it either) | 03:25 |
| Milhouse | obviously not :( | 03:26 |
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| jonek | jhe: if you find out that you are allowed to use the mentioned secret TI command, would "using it in GPL code" == "you publish it"? | 03:27 |
| Jaffa | Bah, I want to go to bed but I'm waiting for stupidly long, but failing auto-deb builds to fail again (or, well, work would be nice but let's not get our hopes up) | 03:27 |
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| jhe | jonek: I suppose so. Though the entire thing is pretty silly (IMHO). Even if we had the command in some binary-only component, you could still sniff it using hcidump. | 03:29 |
| Milhouse | Remind TI how it went with the SD specs... | 03:30 |
| jonek | jhe: ok - that means the TI bt component is mainly GPL incompatible! :-( | 03:30 |
| * Jaffa beds. | 03:30 | |
| Jaffa | g'night | 03:30 |
| jonek | Jaffa: sleep well | 03:30 |
| jhe | jonek: unfortunately so, unless we get some special permission from TI to publish it in GPL code (no idea what the chance for that is though) | 03:34 |
| lle2 | Jaffa: if you ever happen to have too much time and everything's all rosy with sb1, it would be way cool if you could test the mud-builder with sb2 :) | 03:35 |
| jonek | jhe: *sigh* - sorry, but for a device like the 770 that was supposed to be operated by OSS only I'd call choosing this kind of BT chipset a mistake. | 03:36 |
| jonek | jhe: but maybe there is a small chance left that everything goes fine in the end :) - good night | 03:37 |
| jonek | lle2: what is 'mud'? | 03:39 |
| lle2 | wasn't it mud-builder that jaffa was working on? I've such an unpredictable memory | 03:39 |
| jonek | ok - what is mud-builder?? | 03:40 |
| lle2 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mud-builder/ | 03:40 |
| jonek | ah, that one! thx | 03:41 |
| * cesman hopes to show the N800 at SCALE streaming media off a MythTV backend | 03:45 | |
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| chx | apparently, PHP exists form ARM CPU (http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=arm&file=pool%2Fupdates%2Fmain%2Fp%2Fphp4%2Fphp4-cgi_4.3.10-18_arm.deb&md5sum=07df6b074d821e4a61396964050ded20&arch=arm&type=security) -- does it run on the tablet? | 05:07 |
| chx | s/form/for | 05:08 |
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| kw1 | Hi everyone. I'm having trouble finding one of t he dependencies for the osso-rss-feed-reader module in IT-2006 called osso-email-interface. Could anyone point me in the right direction? | 05:49 |
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| kw1 | I'm logging off, but if anyone has an answer I'll still be logged in on another machine with the nick kwa. | 06:22 |
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| AaronL | kwl/kwa: what was your question? | 07:41 |
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| gpd | i seem to be getting a download error with maemo mapper and google url that was working yesterday... | 07:48 |
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| gpd | had a fab day with the device today -- checking email in random locations around LA with open networks -- very cool | 07:52 |
| gpd | may have even convinced the gf that this is more than a toy! :) | 07:52 |
| gpd | or at least the me playing with it all week might have been 'useful' | 07:52 |
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| * gpd notes new extras repository for bora :) | 07:56 | |
| obra | gpd: using webmail or the built in mail client? | 08:01 |
| gpd | actually using yahoo mail via web browser | 08:01 |
| gpd | -- gf's account | 08:02 |
| gpd | also - took screenshot of google maps and scp'd to machine for driving directions to local stores -- used image viewer to check location (low tech - but worked well) | 08:04 |
| gpd | found numerous open wifi spots around LA - but often got 'network error' - or 'local ip'. | 08:05 |
| gpd | connected to friend's wifi at their apartment - but needed to type the entire wep key in -- even though he knew the passphrase - need to find a pw->key converter | 08:06 |
| gpd | finding that google chat is very crap when multiple clients are open and connected -- it seems to send the chat messages to ONE of the clients - not all :( | 08:07 |
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| nok | Hi, I am using vnc to connection to my n800, and when I use xterm, the "enter" key on my keyboard brings up the keyboard on my n800.... How do I do an "enter" using from my keyboard | 08:40 |
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| konfoo | anyone using the transcend 150x 4gb sd card on the n800? it doesn't work for me.. | 09:46 |
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| Jaffa | lle2: good idea. Once it's a bit more stable on sb1 I'll look at sb2 (I love the ideas you're playing with there) | 09:57 |
| keesj770 | Jaffa, I have my mud notes but they are not ready yet for "publication" | 09:59 |
| keesj770 | (but I would like a cvs/svn fetch target) , | 10:00 |
| Jaffa | keesj770: it's on the TODO (but I may not have checked that in) | 10:00 |
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| keesj770 | I was able to build ode with just a simple .xml that is just awsome. | 10:01 |
| Jaffa | Excellent. | 10:01 |
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| keesj770 | I tried to build sdlgfx from deb but that went terebly wrong it started building tk or similar | 10:01 |
| keesj770 | off swiming | 10:02 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, that's what I've found. Everything in Debian seems to want to build docbook, which wants to build tetex which wants to build tcl which wants to build tk | 10:02 |
| keesj770 | perhaps a nodoc flag of some kind? | 10:04 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, that's my plan - there's no need for info, man pages and /usr/share/doc on Maemo for most packages | 10:04 |
| keesj770 | and some direction where to find packages and when to start from the tar.gz because building from .tar.gz is really trivial | 10:04 |
| Jaffa | Yup. Need to add some dependency handling for tar.gz's though. | 10:11 |
| k-s | is there any way to remove /usr/share/$PKG from .deb packages? | 10:14 |
| k-s | /usr/share/doc/$PKG I mean | 10:14 |
| k-s | right now I have some metapackages just to get dependencies right | 10:15 |
| Jaffa | k-s: in mud, yeah - I can just modify debian/rules to not to dh_install{docs,man,info} | 10:15 |
| k-s | but they always install damn copyright, README.Debian.gz, ... wich brings about 10kb to package after installed | 10:15 |
| Jaffa | k-s: I might go down that route. Be interesting to see how Debian address some circular build dependencies | 10:15 |
| k-s | Jaffa: but afaik, copyright, authors and readme are always installed | 10:16 |
| k-s | Jaffa: I'm fixing canola packages to behave nicely for upgrades | 10:16 |
| k-s | Jaffa: I moved every .so to own package | 10:16 |
| k-s | Jaffa: every .mo (translation) to own package | 10:17 |
| k-s | Jaffa: but it's good to just have a plugins-base to get all libraries | 10:17 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 10:18 |
| k-s | Jaffa: and one package to download all translation if wanted | 10:18 |
| k-s | koen: ping | 10:18 |
| k-s | daniels: ping | 10:19 |
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| k-s | koen, daniels: have you tried -mcpu=arm926ej-s? | 10:24 |
| k-s | success? problems? | 10:24 |
| k-s | I'm planing to test with that, but need to get a real device at office... so just monday | 10:24 |
| k-s | ok... 5:25am here... time to sleep | 10:25 |
| k-s | :-D | 10:25 |
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| koen | k-s[AWAY]: that works, but gcc3 and gcc4 have a different name for that flag, so beware when using multiple compilers | 12:41 |
| jonek | koen: can you explain shortly what that flag does? I can't imagine it from what the section of th man page says. | 12:44 |
| koen | jonek: it tells gcc to optimize the the arm926ej-s core | 12:45 |
| koen | it will basically turn on armv5 instructions and not abort when encountring assembler using those | 12:45 |
| jonek | how does one gain from setting it? | 12:46 |
| jonek | s/how/how much/ | 12:46 |
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| koen | jonek: some things get a lot faster, like libsdl | 12:47 |
| jonek | koen: java PhoneME's makefiles are prepared for that compiler flag. would you recommend to try it? | 12:48 |
| koen | sure | 12:49 |
| koen | but keep in mind that the phoneME makefiles are full of crappy assumptions | 12:49 |
| jonek | koen: you mean that floating point configuration in there? | 12:50 |
| koen | it's closed predecessor cvm enabled softfloat unconditonally even when dynamically linking for a hardfloat system | 12:50 |
| koen | jonek: among other things | 12:50 |
| koen | I ended up writing makefiles and .ml files from scratch for my projectg | 12:51 |
| koen | .mk | 12:51 |
| koen | but that was 2 years ago | 12:51 |
| jonek | koen: as far as I understand for linux-arm-... they now enable their own floating point implementation and disable the kerneltrap by default | 12:53 |
| jonek | koen: what is the difference between -mcpu=arm926ej-s and -march=armv5te? when do I want both? | 12:55 |
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| koen | there's not much difference | 13:16 |
| koen | -mcpu-arm926ej-s just knows more details about your cpu | 13:16 |
| jonek | thanks, koen | 13:19 |
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| cambba | does anyone know reason why N800 wouldn't boot? or even better, how to fix this? flashing won't make any difference... | 13:42 |
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| cambba | or let's ask it other way: why wouldn't flasher-3.0 restore the firmware to its original state? | 13:48 |
| suihkulokki | does the charger work? ie is there a progressbar on the device when you run flasher? | 13:50 |
| cambba | yes, there is a progress bar | 13:50 |
| cambba | and flasher says that everythings ok | 13:50 |
| suihkulokki | then the software is in original state | 13:50 |
| cambba | but it won't boot | 13:50 |
| cambba | it just shows the Nokia logo and shuts down | 13:51 |
| suihkulokki | does your battery have enough power? | 13:51 |
| cambba | yes, it is full | 13:51 |
| tko | cambba, shuts down as in power off? | 13:51 |
| cambba | tko: yes | 13:51 |
| tko | cambba, low on battery | 13:52 |
| tko | otherwise it would try to reboot again | 13:52 |
| cambba | tko: but wouldn't it work then with charger? | 13:52 |
| cambba | when I do that, it gets into reboot loop | 13:52 |
| tko | cambba, plugging in the charger should boot up partially and start charging, you should see the charging animation | 13:53 |
| cambba | tko: no, it does not start that | 13:54 |
| cambba | tko: it just blinks the logo, as if it tries to start up but then shuts down immediatelly | 13:54 |
| tko | sounds like the battery is drained.. | 13:55 |
| tko | not sure, though | 13:55 |
| cambba | but why wouldn't it then recharge it? | 13:56 |
| cambba | I've owned this N800 only for two days, and I just charged the battery before it died | 13:56 |
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| tko | it needs a little bit power to run the charging software, so if the battery is totally drained (which shouldn't happen) it can't even start reliably. or so it worked in 770 IIRC | 13:58 |
| cambba | it does have power left, since I can flash it without the charger | 13:59 |
| tko | I may be mistaken about it though, I don't know too much about battery | 13:59 |
| tko | good point | 13:59 |
| cambba | I know there has been some other people with this problem, but don't know if they have been able to fix it | 14:01 |
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| kender | hello | 15:00 |
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| Tybor | hi people. Is there any European shop selling the N800? | 15:02 |
| koen | nokia.com | 15:03 |
| Tybor | koen: when I tell them I'm italian they want to sell me the 770 8-/ | 15:04 |
| koen | try nokia.com/n800 and click "buy now" | 15:05 |
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| Tybor | koen: 10x a lot. It works (somehow).... | 15:08 |
| Tybor | koen: their wireless keyboard costs 151€... Isn't it too much? Do other bluetooth keyboards work? (they should. AFAIK) | 15:10 |
| koen | that one surprised me as well | 15:10 |
| koen | other bluetooth keyboard should work, as long as they don't use the serial port profile (as the cheap on I have does) | 15:11 |
| Tybor | koen: thanks! | 15:12 |
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| Tybor | koen: I know that the 770 can't use USB keyboard. Can the N800 use them? | 15:15 |
| Tybor | koen: it seems that most of the bluetooth keyboards costs 130-150€... Sigh... | 15:20 |
| keesj770 | yup :( | 15:20 |
| keesj770 | And the ones i prefer even more , and I love the media-center keyboard | 15:20 |
| keesj770 | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=038# | 15:21 |
| keesj770 | that is the one thing that MS is dam good at, creating keyboard | 15:22 |
| Tybor | keesj770: I would prefer "smaller" keyboard. More or less the size of a laptop keyboard. | 15:22 |
| koen | Tybor: last year they were €90-110 :( | 15:23 |
| koen | stupid inflation | 15:23 |
| keesj770 | this might me something for me http://freedominput.com/mainsite/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=30 | 15:23 |
| Tybor | keesj770: oh I found it resold on ebay! ... (too small for me) | 15:24 |
| keesj770 | I have a keyboard like this http://freedominput.com/mainsite/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=98 | 15:25 |
| keesj770 | but I really can't work on that | 15:25 |
| Tybor | keesj770: why? | 15:25 |
| keesj770 | that size keyboard need a table and still are to small/ weird | 15:25 |
| * Tybor was thinking to buy an N800 + keyboard as an emacs/X11/vnc/ssh terminal | 15:26 | |
| Tybor | keesj770: doesn't it work open on the lap? | 15:26 |
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| keesj770 | not the freedom , it's not strong enough so typing really is a pain . idem in the bus or train | 15:28 |
| nnod | how about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ | 15:29 |
| keesj770 | I guess the keyboard I am looking for must be usable when there is no surface , the virtural thumb keyboard is pretty good I have heard and many here use that | 15:29 |
| Tybor | nnod: it still need a flat, clean surface... | 15:30 |
| keesj770 | perhaps http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/ | 15:31 |
| Tybor | nnod: I want to hack sitted in the sofa without cooking my lap | 15:31 |
| keesj770 | but there are some hacks around to still use a real usb keyboard | 15:31 |
| nnod | yeah, that laser thing isn't very practical | 15:32 |
| keesj770 | at home that might be just wat you want. | 15:32 |
| nnod | keesj770: i can't imagine learning how to type with only one hand on that | 15:32 |
| keesj770 | nnod, they are really stupid why did they put s shift lock on that keyboard | 15:33 |
| Tybor | This would be good http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/5a7f/ | 15:36 |
| nnod | if you could find something like this but with SD instead of CF: http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html | 15:37 |
| Tybor | perhaps it would be better to have a tablet-friendly text editor | 15:38 |
| keesj770 | Tybor, yes | 15:38 |
| Tybor | keesj770: is there anyone? | 15:38 |
| keesj770 | I don't really know | 15:39 |
| keesj770 | I use vi most of the time | 15:39 |
| Tybor | keesj770: with the onscreen keyboard? | 15:40 |
| keesj770 | yes | 15:40 |
| * Tybor can use vi on the tablet if he still can be productive | 15:41 | |
| Tybor | keesj770: how much are you "productive" compared to a full keyboard/PC? | 15:41 |
| nnod | has anyone ordered one of the 800s from within europe? how long did it take to arrive? they ship from belgium, right? | 15:42 |
| keesj770 | 770 is a complete waste of time. it has nothing to do with my work and here I am on sunday talking about keyboard and such | 15:42 |
| Tybor | keesj770: agreeable... | 15:43 |
| keesj770 | Tybor, but I am not very productive , I really try to type the bare minimum. | 15:44 |
| guerby | nnod, ordered monday at 1pm, was there tuesday at 2pm (from Paris, came from belgium by UPS) got it only wednesday at 1pm because I wasn't there tuesday | 15:44 |
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| nnod | guerby: did you have to pay any duties on it? i'm in geneva | 15:47 |
| lele | Tybor, i did many hours of "emergency" ssh-ing with the 770 and bt keyboard, its much lighter than my laptop, and besides, i had my laptop stolen recently and no replacement yet | 15:47 |
| guerby | nnod, no I just paid the amount displayed with my VISA | 15:47 |
| Tybor | lele: Oh! how unlucky! | 15:47 |
| guerby | lele, what bt keyboard do you use? | 15:48 |
| lele | thinkoutside | 15:48 |
| keesj770 | and I am just waiting to order. I had my 770 for 250 euro | 15:48 |
| guerby | lele, which model? (or URL?) | 15:48 |
| lele | guerby: uh, it was the only one with bt available at the time, let me check | 15:49 |
| guerby | lele, http://www.thinkoutside.com/ displays "stoaway" and "sierra" models | 15:49 |
| lele | http://www.thinkoutside.com/products/xtbtue/stowawaybt_product.html | 15:50 |
| lele | think it's this but name and price has changed | 15:50 |
| lele | but this one looks exactly like mine | 15:50 |
| guerby | lele, ok thanks, the sierra looks different, don't know exactly which could be better, are you satisfied with yours? | 15:51 |
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| lele | i don't know much about the other models, the only thing i would like is the ability to register to more than one device, which mine hasn't | 15:54 |
| lele | as about the keyboard: once you are used to the numbers being shifted, it feels like a laptop keyboard | 15:55 |
| Tybor | oh ... 149$... not so different from the 151€ of Nokia's | 15:59 |
| guerby | lele, I think the Nokia SU-8W I have can register to more than one device (never tried with both N770 and N800 could do...) | 15:59 |
| lele | i paid it less than 100€, but now the name has changed to "low profile" (but looks exactly the same :) | 16:00 |
| lele | "ultra slim" that is | 16:01 |
| keesj770 | mine was below 100euro | 16:02 |
| keesj770 | but it did not support HCI and needs serial communication | 16:03 |
| Tybor | keesj770: what does it means, speaking of N800/700? | 16:04 |
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| guerby | model closed(mm) open weight(g) battery keysize(mm) rows price(USD) | 16:06 |
| guerby | SU-8W 132x87x20 260x 86x12 199 2xAAA 15 4 149.00 | 16:06 |
| guerby | Sierra 128x90x23 350x129x12 303 1xAAA 19 5 129.99 | 16:06 |
| guerby | Stoaway 139x99x13 251x148x13 160 2xAAA 18 4 149.99 | 16:06 |
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| keesj770 | Tybor, I had to install kbdd http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/ (the default bt plugin only supports HCI) | 16:09 |
| Tybor | keesj770: using it any bt should work, isn't it? | 16:10 |
| keesj770 | any bt keyboard the support HCI (human control?? interface) | 16:10 |
| Tybor | keesj770: wonderful! So I can buy a less-branded, fewer € keyboard... | 16:11 |
| keesj770 | because that is some kind of stantard. | 16:11 |
| keesj770 | Thats what I did and had to search for a good software solution because it did not support HCI . but it was all fun! | 16:12 |
| ntrs | Can someone please port minicom for n800? | 16:14 |
| koen | 'port' | 16:14 |
| koen | you mean compile | 16:14 |
| Tybor | guerby: it seems that nokia's keyboard is not so costly when you compare quality hardware | 16:14 |
| guerby | Tybor, I have one SU-8W quality is good, but it's still small keys | 16:15 |
| ntrs | koen, yes, I guess. | 16:15 |
| keesj770 | the nokia keyboard looks good. | 16:16 |
| Tybor | guerby: well... 15mm is not so small... I usually work with 19mm keys. | 16:16 |
| guerby | Tybor, one thing is that when open it's not rigid (not much of a problem in practice) | 16:17 |
| guerby | actually SU-8X key size is 16 not 15 (160mm for Q..P) | 16:18 |
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| florian | hi all | 17:08 |
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| bmidgley | hello | 17:21 |
| florian | hello bmidgley | 17:21 |
| bmidgley | did you pick up an n800 yet? :) | 17:21 |
| florian | i didn't have to... | 17:23 |
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| jonek | hi florian | 17:24 |
| bmidgley | doh :) | 17:25 |
| sp3000 | there a bug on the home key emitting a tilde into my irssi? | 17:25 |
| * sp3000 didn't spot one at a glance | 17:26 | |
| jonek | bmidgley: I'm sure you are at least on the developer program list ;-) | 17:27 |
| bmidgley | :) | 17:29 |
| sp3000 | ...or is there something convenient I can poke at to fix it | 17:29 |
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| tko | http://up.kupatrix.com/f/8/Motivational_Poster_Collection/Procrastination.png | 17:58 |
| keesj770 | :) | 18:00 |
| Guardian | :) | 18:00 |
| Guardian | hi tko, did you have time to sort out how to get the libs required by the im tutorial ? | 18:00 |
| ferulo | seebs: have you seen the webcam tutorial on maemo.org? | 18:01 |
| seebs | Hmm? | 18:01 |
| seebs | No. | 18:01 |
| seebs | I should look at that, huh! :) | 18:01 |
| seebs | Of course, half the fun of learning to do something is all the things you learn about along the way. | 18:02 |
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| seebs | I'm multitasking, right now, I'm alternating between PS3 Linux work and N800 work. | 18:02 |
| ferulo | http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_camera_api_bora.html | 18:02 |
| chx | now, we have some activity on channel.. I was thinking about running PHP on N800 and I saw there is an ARM deb package already. How hard would it be to get it running on N800? | 18:03 |
| chx | I saw thttpd and sqlite was already ported | 18:03 |
| seebs | Drat! That's way better than mine. | 18:03 |
| seebs | Well, now I have to think about whether I want to do this demo app anyway, or pick another app that hasn't been done to write about. | 18:04 |
| koen | chx: forget thttpd, use cherokee | 18:04 |
| seebs | Interesting to note that the gstreamer stream design is pretty much exactly the same as mine. :) | 18:05 |
| tko | Guardian, I'll find an answer for it later | 18:05 |
| Guardian | tko: ok | 18:05 |
| tko | (generally I don't work on weekends) | 18:05 |
| Guardian | :) | 18:05 |
| tko | Guardian, there was a bug filed, right? | 18:06 |
| seebs | Hmmm. Interesting; they apparently get a simple linear framebuffer, I was getting YVYU. I wonder why! | 18:06 |
| seebs | Ahh! Because of the filter. | 18:06 |
| Guardian | i understand, didn't want to bother you, it was just that i really had to go before the conversation moved to another topic | 18:06 |
| seebs | Very elegant. | 18:06 |
| Guardian | tko: generally i don't fill in bugs when i'm not sure i just don't forget to had some apt source :) | 18:06 |
| Guardian | -don't+didn't | 18:06 |
| mdamt | Guardian: All the libs needed should be installed when you install maemo-explicit. | 18:07 |
| chx | koen: I am happy with any webserver.But I need PHP too. | 18:07 |
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| chx | koen: I would buy an N800 if I could do PHP development on it. I am a Drupal (PHP CMS) developer and whenever I have free time, I would like to do something on it. A Sierra keyboard and an N800 keyboard looks even better to tout around for this purpose than my Dell X1 subnotebook | 18:08 |
| chx | "N800 tablet" | 18:09 |
| Guardian | mdamt: is it something i should install using apt-get ? | 18:09 |
| mdamt | No apt-get for maemo-explicit. | 18:10 |
| mdamt | http://maemo.org/downloads/releases.html and get the Nokia Binaries. | 18:10 |
| Guardian | the packages mentioned by the input method tutorial mention libhildon-input-method-header-sdk-dev and libhildon-input-method-framework-header-sdk-dev packages. | 18:10 |
| tko | mdamt, the doc only refer to "libhildon-input-method-header-sdk-dev and libhildon-input-method-framework-header-sdk-dev packages." and even that is fairly nicely hidden | 18:10 |
| mdamt | Yes, they are inside the maemo-explicit package. | 18:10 |
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| purex | installed scratchbox yesterday and was ableto login and start a test app in xephyr.. today when i started scratchbox with ../login i get "ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up!" | 18:16 |
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| vandenoever | hi guys, where can i get information about the maemo developer program? | 18:17 |
| Guardian | vandenoever: in the topic | 18:17 |
| shackan | hi vandenoever | 18:18 |
| vandenoever | ah, ok, so basically, they want devs to start writing code and then they select which code needs testing? | 18:18 |
| Guardian | mdamt: will the .sh script take into account that i named my scratchbox targets differently (herring-i386,scirocco-i386,bora-i386 and so on) or will it just consider it has to be SDK_PC ? | 18:18 |
| vandenoever | hi shackan, doing dbus for n800? | 18:18 |
| shackan | it already has dbus | 18:19 |
| gpd | chx: I am a drupal user - and you are 'famous' :) | 18:19 |
| vandenoever | i know and that's really cool, but maybe not for c++ ? | 18:19 |
| gpd | chx: I just got my n800 and think that it was the best thing i ever did -- my sierra is being deliveredd and i think it will make a great pseudo-laptop | 18:20 |
| shackan | vandenoever, it seems they don't like c++ a lot, the only c++ thing I know maemo uses for sure is libjingle | 18:20 |
| vandenoever | ah ok, but does it have libc++ ? | 18:20 |
| purex | has anyone had that problem with scratchbox working one day and then fail after reboot of the system | 18:20 |
| gpd | chx: the screen is amazing and you can easily use vi in an xterm for writing php - i have not found a php port for the device yet - but there is thttpd and sqlite - and i plan to try and get drupal running on it | 18:21 |
| shackan | btw, a generous user contributed patches to crosscompile libdbus-c++ for arm so I hope I have that covered already, tough I don't have a N800 to test it on :P | 18:21 |
| vandenoever | i think Strigi would be a nice lightweight search proggy for the N800: it has dbus support and is very small and light | 18:21 |
| Guardian | gpd: writing php on a N800 ? are so that fond of virtual keyboards ? | 18:21 |
| gpd | Guardian: Sierra BT keyboard... fullsize | 18:21 |
| gpd | 330grams :) | 18:22 |
| gpd | http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=893 | 18:22 |
| shackan | vandenoever, then you could spam the mailing list and tell them about it, they might send you one for a cheaper price (beware, I used *might*) | 18:22 |
| Guardian | ok doesn't make sense to me but have fun anyway :) | 18:22 |
| gpd | Guardian: i sold my laptop - and this would be great when in a cafe / on the move | 18:23 |
| lle2 | purex: you need to run /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start after reboot | 18:23 |
| chx | gpd: yes, I am also after the Sierra as I already mentioned and it's a honor that you recogn me | 18:23 |
| chx | gpd: you probably then can understand why PHP on N800 is important for me | 18:24 |
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| chx | gpd: there is SQLite patch already for Drupal, I will opt to get it in for Drupal 6 | 18:24 |
| purex | lle2: thnx | 18:24 |
| mdamt | Guardian: The .sh is specific for Bora I guess. | 18:24 |
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| gpd | chx: yes indeed! if you have any questions just let me know | 18:24 |
| vandenoever | shackan: ok, thanks | 18:24 |
| chx | gpd: question. Where is the PHP package :) | 18:24 |
| mdamt | But you could get the IM packages from ~/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0rc9/ directory. | 18:25 |
| gpd | chx: good question! i haven't started my search on that yet - do you want a fully running drupal server on the device - or do you just want Vim to edit the code? | 18:25 |
| koos_ | vandenoever: there is a libstdc++ on the device | 18:25 |
| purex | lle2: cool it worked perfect | 18:25 |
| chx | gpd: full Drupal environment | 18:25 |
| chx | dear maemo developers, this is the guy http://chxcannotbedistracted.com who begs for a PHP package. | 18:25 |
| vandenoever | koos_: a good! then then # of deps is already smaller | 18:26 |
| vandenoever | is there maybe a simple env. to try to compile an app for the n800 ? | 18:26 |
| gpd | chx: if there is a working php package in the debian ARM port - then it might be a simple as a recompile -- however the memory and performance issues might be tricky | 18:26 |
| shackan | vandenoever, scratchbox | 18:26 |
| shackan | vandenoever, or rather, the maemo SDK, which requires the nokia scratchbox crosscompiler tools | 18:27 |
| chx | gpd: there is a php in the arm port. yes, performance might be quite tricky. but what other gadget could I get ...? | 18:27 |
| gpd | chx: do you know if drupal can work easily with sqlite? | 18:27 |
| * purex is away: eating | 18:28 | |
| gpd | chx: well - if you can guarantee a powersupply then one of the umpc's might work | 18:28 |
| maddler | chx... I tried basic applications with php on 770 and I don't think drupal can be usable... | 18:28 |
| shackan | drupal is a CMS, right? | 18:28 |
| maddler | shackan: yes... | 18:29 |
| shackan | mmm, a cms on an internet tablet? | 18:30 |
| gpd | maddler: where did you find the php packages? | 18:30 |
| shackan | ;) | 18:30 |
| maddler | gpd... compiled from debian soruces... | 18:30 |
| gpd | maddler: any mods - or patches? | 18:30 |
| maddler | shackan: I was considering using a CMS or a Wiki too... | 18:30 |
| maddler | shackan: but it was too slow... | 18:30 |
| gpd | maddler: what php apps did you try? and with thttpd? and sqlite? | 18:30 |
| maddler | gpd... simply --disable whatever you don't _really_ need | 18:31 |
| gpd | maddler: if you still have the .debs - i would like to try :) | 18:31 |
| maddler | I was trying using a PHP addressbook... | 18:31 |
| gpd | drupal might be a CMS but is is very well written and should be scalable in both directions | 18:31 |
| maddler | but it was too slow... | 18:31 |
| gpd | did it have any sql? | 18:32 |
| maddler | no debs here... | 18:32 |
| maddler | gpd... it was using sqlite | 18:32 |
| maddler | I tried it with monkey httpd | 18:32 |
| gpd | was it slow due to swapping -- or just processor? | 18:33 |
| maddler | it was slow because monkey needed PHP to end the whole stuff in order to come up with the page... | 18:33 |
| vandenoever | does scratchbox come with a virtual n800 for testing? | 18:33 |
| gpd | i run drupal on a virtual server (linode.com) with 64M ram, apache2, MySQL and 150Mhz -- but no gui... the critical thing is getting the memory down to a minimum | 18:34 |
| maddler | yup... but apache+php are way faster than monkey+php | 18:34 |
| gpd | and you didn't try thttpd -- any reason? | 18:34 |
| maddler | and if I recall correctly things weren't better with php+thttpd | 18:34 |
| chx | these are bad news | 18:35 |
| gpd | maddler: this was on a 770 | 18:35 |
| maddler | gpd.... yes... | 18:35 |
| gpd | chx: the 800 has more ram and faster processor - so might be better | 18:35 |
| maddler | I'm gonna try it on the N800 as soon I'll get mine... | 18:35 |
| maddler | I think next week | 18:35 |
| gpd | i would try it now - but i need to check that that 770 packages will run on the 800 | 18:36 |
| maddler | the point is the web server... | 18:36 |
| maddler | they all were running PHP in cgi mode... | 18:36 |
| maddler | and that basically was slowing down things a lot... | 18:36 |
| gpd | how about PHP5 -- with sqlite buit in - that might be better | 18:37 |
| lle2 | gpd: don't forget that on the tablet you've also the browser and the rest of the gui running, so comparing that with a server running nothing but php+webserver is not strictly apples and bananas, but more like apples and tricycle | 18:37 |
| gpd | lle2: yeah - i realize - but just 'living the dream' for now :) | 18:37 |
| maddler | gpd... always the same problem... the bottleneck is the webserver waiting PHP to complete the whole stuff... | 18:37 |
| maddler | I mean... I checked it running a .php from command line... | 18:38 |
| maddler | and calling the same page from the web browser... | 18:38 |
| gpd | chx: of course -- if you have Internet -- then all this becomes mute... you have everything at your fingertips | 18:38 |
| maddler | it was 1:10 | 18:38 |
| lle2 | gpd: sure, the increased RAM should help a lot | 18:38 |
| gpd | hmm -- well it is worth a try -- i'll let you know how i get on | 18:39 |
| chx | gpd: of course, but I do not always have Internet and data transfer over GRPS/EDGE/HSDPA is steep | 18:40 |
| lele | maddler, php has quite an high initialization cost indeed | 18:40 |
| chx | maddler: fast cgi? | 18:41 |
| maddler | lele... yup... but there was a huge difference anyway... | 18:43 |
| lle2 | maddler: did you run the test on the 770? | 18:43 |
| maddler | chx... not sure it can really change so much ... | 18:43 |
| maddler | lle2: yes... | 18:43 |
| maddler | with ITOS2006 | 18:43 |
| chx | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=arm&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fl%2Flighttpd%2Flighttpd_1.4.13-9_arm.deb&md5sum=08c930ac00300dd4510ce43ecaa42fba&arch=arm&type=main | 18:43 |
| chx | I would try recompile this | 18:43 |
| lele | otoh, ruby seems fine, i have used webrick from the 770 a few times to perform software upgrade on ciscos :) | 18:43 |
| lle2 | if you did then it's no surprise, it just ran out of memory and ended up being totally ineffective in getting anything done | 18:44 |
| gpd | chx: to be honest - i think if you want the power of a desktop from then N800 you will be a little disappointed - but the screen on the N800 and the flexible networking makes it genius to me. | 18:44 |
| chx | fire up php/fastcgi | 18:44 |
| lle2 | purging the code from RAM and going back and forth between the different processes is just not going to give you a web page very fast ;) | 18:44 |
| chx | gpd: I am patient. I operated from a 400 Mhz Celeron based laptop for a full month | 18:44 |
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| gpd | chx: you think ligthttpd is more light than thttpd ? | 18:45 |
| koen | drupal works with sqlite? | 18:45 |
| gpd | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 <- in case you haven't found | 18:45 |
| koen | that'd be sweet | 18:45 |
| * koen is getting tired of having to lart module authors for using mysql only sql | 18:45 | |
| Guardian | mdamt, tko: just so you know, there is a mistake in the tutorial about one package name of the two. also, here is ( http://rafb.net/p/Ta7ltBB2.html ) the result of trying to install the packages. seems that it removed more stuff than it added :) | 18:46 |
| chx | koen: there is indeed an SQLite patch | 18:46 |
| chx | koen: I would like to see Drupal 6 (next Drupal, not the one to be released tomorrow) operate with that as well | 18:46 |
| koen | chx: cool | 18:46 |
| gpd | chx: released tomorrow! sweet | 18:47 |
| koen | ah, drupal 5 tomorrow | 18:47 |
| mdamt | Guardian: The page is 404. Could you please file a bug? | 18:47 |
| chx | koen: and Souvent22 and his merry band provided patches for enterprise stuff like Oracle and MSSQL | 18:47 |
| chx | now... back to mobile | 18:47 |
| gpd | chx: have you looked at the ultramicro's ? | 18:47 |
| chx | gpd: the what? UMPC? Windows, seven inch, no keyboard? | 18:47 |
| Guardian | mdamt: sure, [17:43:50] <lele> otoh, ruby seems fine, i have used webrick from the 770 a few times to perform software upgrade on ciscos :) | 18:47 |
| Guardian | [17:43:55] <lle2> if you did then it's no surprise, it just ran out of memory and ended up being totally ineffective i | 18:47 |
| Guardian | ah sorry :( | 18:48 |
| chx | gpd: please. I would rather buy a picturebook and replace the HDD with flash. | 18:48 |
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| gpd | chx: good -- glad we are on the same page. i didn't know there were no linux ones. | 18:48 |
| mdamt | Guardian: Thanks! | 18:48 |
| gpd | the next up is the micro pc's from fujitsu / sharp - those are just tiny laptops -- but VERY expensive | 18:49 |
| chx | ten inchers? | 18:49 |
| chx | I already have a Dell X1 for subnotebook | 18:49 |
| chx | 2.25lbs or somesuch | 18:49 |
| chx | I need something _significantly_ smaller | 18:49 |
| chx | those 8-10 inchers do not cut it | 18:49 |
| Guardian | mdamt: in fact i'll try again from a fresh 386 sdk root strap, i vaguely remember dpkg complaining that i had to launch "apt-get install -f) but i don't remember if it was under my herring or bora target | 18:50 |
| Guardian | mdamt: but i'll fill bug for the package name error at least | 18:50 |
| gpd | chx: so what would be your major use case for the n800? testing drupal code or writing it? | 18:51 |
| chx | gpd: the two are so closely related that they are the same | 18:51 |
| chx | what do we know about http://www.computronika.com/product_info.php?product_id=3506&categorie=2 ? | 18:52 |
| gpd | chx: i will try and setup drupal on my N800 this week -- if you want i can let you know how i get on. | 18:52 |
| chx | gpd: please. http://drupal.org/user/9446/contact always finds me , but I on #drupal about 24/7 :) | 18:53 |
| chx | "I am" | 18:53 |
| * gpd looks at sony ux micro pc tour | 18:55 | |
| maddler | gpd... drop me a line as well :) | 18:55 |
| gpd | wow -- 1024x600 -- 4.5 inch screen, 4.5hour battery, no mention of weight so far | 18:57 |
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| gpd | specifications page gives me blankness http://www.learningcenter.sony.us/assets/itpd/notebooks/ux_series/article/specs.html | 19:00 |
| maddler | gpd: what about price? | 19:00 |
| maddler | ;) | 19:00 |
| maddler | ?WL | 19:00 |
| maddler | whops... | 19:00 |
| gpd | oh. i thought it said $999 -- but it is 'starting at $1899.99' | 19:01 |
| gpd | forgetaboutit... | 19:01 |
| gpd | ... James Bond 007 US Spy Bundle --- $2499... heh | 19:02 |
| maddler | hehe | 19:02 |
| chx | http://mozy.org/vaio/ | 19:03 |
| chx | indeed most place sells this baby for $2K but that place I found on bizrate it's only 1K | 19:03 |
| chx | http://www.werkema.com/laptop.html this is much older. But might better fill my needs... | 19:06 |
| purex | has anyone gotten mplayer to work on the n800 yet. I thought i read somwhere that mplayer started but there was not picture | 19:08 |
| chx | wow, mplayer on _that_ ? | 19:20 |
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| keesj770 | chx, mplayer runs fine on the 770 | 19:23 |
| keesj770 | thanks to ssvb I think | 19:24 |
| chx | is the CPU enough to decode DivX? | 19:24 |
| chx | if it is then PHP for sure can run at a speed acceptable for me :) | 19:24 |
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| lle2 | chx: I don't think it's about cpu, it's more about not having enough RAM to keep the pages for all the needed processes in memory | 19:25 |
| chx | then N800 will probably be the solution... let's hope. | 19:26 |
| chx | we will know more when gpd tries. | 19:26 |
| ssvb | purex: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=28230&postcount=275 | 19:27 |
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| purex | is it possible to use the n800 or n700 as a development machine.. what works today? python,c,java ? .. would like be able to write code when i am traveling or away.. | 19:28 |
| purex | ssvb: thanx.. nice work | 19:28 |
| ssvb | chx: cpu usage can vary a lot depending on video resolution and bitrate, so not every divx video is watchable on 770 | 19:28 |
| keesj770 | purex, many things are work in progress, if you say today i think "python,lua,mircoperl,ruby,smallbasic," check the maemo wiki for applications and applications WIP | 19:31 |
| keesj770 | and also phoneme java , but no GUI stuff yet | 19:31 |
| purex | keesj770: oh i see. will look at that page.. it is hard to tell if they work on n800 .. but i guess its just trial and error | 19:32 |
| keesj770 | purex, with a little patience I think most things will work again, but perhaps you have to wait a bit | 19:33 |
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| purex | keesj770: of course :-) | 19:34 |
| keesj770 | perhaps you can downgrade the n800 for the time being | 19:34 |
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| keesj770 | currently many application can run on both but it is trial and error , but I think there is a page on the wiki telling what works and what not | 19:35 |
| purex | what do you guys think of the possibility to port the new opensourced JVM's from SUN. Is it possible to run J2SE ore is the ME version the way to go? | 19:35 |
| purex | keesj770: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications | 19:36 |
| keesj770 | purex, http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007023.html | 19:38 |
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| mlpug | how would you design the solution if you should run some alien binaries like palm or symbian on top of your n770 | 19:42 |
| purex | keesj770: nice thanx.. java support would be great. I suppose Nokia will bring it to the platform becouse it is needed to be able to compete with .NET on windows moblie devices | 19:42 |
| mlpug | or are there some emulator for these or other OSes | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | keesj770: I've got the deb build dependencies sorted out in mud-builder, I've made it so it'll build a mud package in preference to a Debian package if possible, and that added a simple links port from the upstream tarball. | 19:43 |
| obra | Jaffa: are you publishing the packages it's building? | 19:43 |
| Jaffa | keesj770: I'm just going to ensure that any run-time depencies which have been built are also copied to the `upload' folder. | 19:43 |
| Jaffa | obra: yes, once they're a bit more stable part of the process is uploading them to the extras repository. Therefore anyone porting stuff just needs to provide the mud packages to the mud-builder project and we/I'll handle compiling them and uploading them to extras. | 19:45 |
| obra | cool. | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | obra: see, uys switch off your mobile phone before | 19:47 |
| Jaffa | > >going to bed, right? | 19:47 |
| Jaffa | Bah. | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | obra: see http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/#workflow | 19:48 |
| obra | Rockin. Thakns | 19:48 |
| obra | I need to actually get the cycles to set up scratchbox properly. I'd really like a Perl port to exist. | 19:49 |
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| Jaffa | obra: Cut-down Perl's built-in, and full Perl is in the Maemo repository | 19:58 |
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| c0ffee | we could register some maemo vhost for freenode | 20:14 |
| c0ffee | like maemo/staff/$nick and maemo/contributor/$nick etc | 20:14 |
| gpd | ssvb: i am trying out mplayer experimental on my n800 | 20:20 |
| gpd | Niceweatherforducks.mov: Apple QuickTime movie (fast start, compressed header) | 20:22 |
| gpd | that was 1 frame per 10 seconds at most -- but Quicktime :( | 20:23 |
| gpd | Evanescence - My Immortal - New Video Clip - www.descargasweb.net.wmv: Microsoft ASF | 20:23 |
| gpd | that one is much better -- but still very choppy | 20:23 |
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| gpd | seems to be skipping / stuttering | 20:24 |
| gpd | both run from internal SD card (256M) - first is 15M, second 12M clip | 20:24 |
| Disconnect | gpd: if you are worried about read speeds, istr /tmp is a ramdisk | 20:26 |
| gpd | how much faster is the internal 256M faster? | 20:26 |
| * Disconnect doesn't think anyone has tested it yet | 20:26 | |
| gpd | Disconnect: what is 'istr'? | 20:27 |
| Disconnect | i seem to recall | 20:27 |
| gpd | i seem to recall -- sorry | 20:27 |
| gpd | Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatrist.mpg: MPEG sequence, v1, system multiplex | 20:29 |
| gpd | running again from the card -- this one 88M -- runs perfectly --- clearly not read problem but codec | 20:29 |
| Disconnect | ssvbDisconnect: can you try to benchmark mplayer using these instructions? http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22280&view=findpost&p=149182 | 20:30 |
| Disconnect | ssvbDisconnect: benching just idct=16 should be enough, also we can see how n800 compares to other ARM devices (there are some other benchmarks in that thread) :) | 20:30 |
| Disconnect | from the archives.. so if you have a new version, hit that benchmark :) | 20:30 |
| gpd | Disconnect: what that to me? -- will try | 20:31 |
| gpd | the current video seems to get stuck occasionally and frames skip back and forth with no sound for 5 seconds before resuming | 20:32 |
| Disconnect | grr the archives are weird. can't find it in the full archive on that day | 20:32 |
| ssvb | Disconnect, gpd: it is the same version, it was not updated yet, I have also posted Disconnect's test results to that thread | 20:33 |
| Disconnect | ah ok | 20:33 |
| Disconnect | might be worth doing anyway, make sure you get the same results :) | 20:33 |
| Disconnect | (ok did find it in the archives. for some reason firefox wasn't searching the page properly.) | 20:34 |
| ssvb | gpd: N800 is better than 770 it playing video with mplayer, but still not good enough to be able to play any movie you throw at it | 20:34 |
| ssvb | gpd: at least right now | 20:34 |
| gpd | it isn't doing badly at all | 20:35 |
| gpd | can't seem to exit right now though | 20:35 |
| gpd | ok done | 20:35 |
| Disconnect | yah it doesn't respond to inputs particularly well | 20:36 |
| gpd | # mplayer -loop 5 -quiet -benchmark -nosound -vo null -lavdopts idct=7 Doom.divx | grep BENCHMARKs | 20:39 |
| gpd | [MENU] Can't open menu config file: /home/user/.mplayer/menu.conf | 20:39 |
| gpd | this needs more setup--- need to exit the house -- ttyl | 20:39 |
| gpd | hmm .. actually seems to be working anyway | 20:40 |
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| gpd | can you copy and paste from osso-xterm? | 20:40 |
| ferulo | humm, vnc client is not working on my n800 :( | 20:41 |
| gpd | vc: 53.720 vo: 0.072s a: 0.000s sys: 0.731s = 54.532 | 20:42 |
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| gpd | ferulo: worked for me - i had trouble with beryl on target | 20:42 |
| ferulo | I using it against a Mac mini runing OSXvnc 1.71 | 20:42 |
| ferulo | from my linux box vnclient works fine | 20:43 |
| gpd | have to go... sorry | 20:43 |
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| ssvb | btw, can any N800 owner run 'cat /proc/omap_clocks' on the device? | 20:45 |
| ssvb | and check the values of 'dsp_ck' and 'arm_ck' | 20:45 |
| Disconnect | dsp_fck 219428571 2 | 20:47 |
| Disconnect | dsp_ick 109714285 1 | 20:47 |
| Disconnect | nothing in | 20:47 |
| Disconnect | 'grep arm' | 20:47 |
| Disconnect | hang on, pastebinning the full file | 20:49 |
| Disconnect | (wow pastebin is slow as hell) | 20:50 |
| Disconnect | btw if it ever comes up, http://n800.pastebin.com/ is a nice shortcut for .. well.. n800-related stuff :) | 20:51 |
| koen | try rafb.net/paste | 20:51 |
| Disconnect | http://rafb.net/p/kHZiQP16.html | 20:52 |
| Disconnect | nice and fast, yay | 20:52 |
| koen | till freenode discovers it :) | 20:52 |
| Disconnect | heh | 20:52 |
| * Disconnect should set one up locally | 20:53 | |
| Disconnect | i do enough pasting these days ;) | 20:53 |
| koen | iva1_mpu_int_ifck 54857142 0 | 20:53 |
| koen | does that imply it has an IVA block? | 20:53 |
| Disconnect | you could tell me it implied the second coming and i'd probably have to believe you. been a rough week (and i did a -lot- of "recovering" last night ;) ..) | 20:55 |
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| koen | the IVA is the block that allows realtime vga mpeg4 decoding and encoding | 20:56 |
| Disconnect | ahh | 20:57 |
| ssvb | Disconnect: it was 'mpu_ck' then, so we have a confirmation that ARM core runs at 330MHz and DSP at 220Mhz | 20:57 |
| * Disconnect figured it did mpeg based on dsptask (http://rafb.net/p/de59qS38.html_ | 20:58 | |
| Disconnect | er s/_/) | 20:58 |
| Disconnect | but maybe that was naive ;) | 20:58 |
| ssvb | koen: the chip should have IVA according to TI docs, whether it is supported in linux as another question | 20:58 |
| ssvb | s/as/is/ | 20:58 |
| chx | can we overclock :) ? | 20:58 |
| * Disconnect needs to get the beefy myth box set up to run the video transcoder | 21:00 | |
| Disconnect | at least until youtube et al work "natively" | 21:00 |
| Disconnect | ..or until we can overclock it during playback :) | 21:02 |
| ssvb | Disconnect: there is the same set of dsptasks on 770, the only notable difference is that N800 does not have mpeg4dec, probably it got retired :) | 21:03 |
| Disconnect | ahh | 21:03 |
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| ssvb | Disconnect: can you run 'gst-inspect' on your device as root? | 21:04 |
| ssvb | Disconnect: probably mpeg4 is now decoded with ARM core, so we should see some DSP elements for it | 21:05 |
| Disconnect | pasting now | 21:05 |
| Disconnect | http://rafb.net/p/O0Op9g86.html | 21:05 |
| * Disconnect has to clean - i'll be in and out, queue up requests :) | 21:07 | |
| Disconnect | actually.. if you promise not to trash my device (or the rest of the network) I'll set up an open shell you can use to do your own tests. | 21:07 |
| Disconnect | i'll even open up the camera and such (vnc, if you get me a working vnc server) | 21:08 |
| * Disconnect is somewhat annoyed that maemo.org hasn't got something like that already | 21:09 | |
| Disconnect | or maybe they do and they haven't told the right developers about it yet ;) | 21:09 |
| Disconnect | ..anyone from nokia can answer a flasher question? want to find out if its possible to brick it as root or if the 'cold flash' option will recover it | 21:09 |
| obra | Jaffa: Really? an apt-cache search found me nothing | 21:12 |
| sxpert | http://www.starryhope.com/tech/apple/2007/10-ways-the-nokia-n800-is-better-than-apples-iphone/ | 21:15 |
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| seebs | Hee. | 21:16 |
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| cambba | Disconnect: what is this cold flash? because it seems that my N800 is somehow bricked, at least it won't be repaired with the flash operation suggested in maemo pages | 21:19 |
| Disconnect | cambba: its in the help, thats all i know about it | 21:22 |
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| vittorio | cambba, how did you brick your N800? | 21:25 |
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| cambba | vittorio: really can't say, application manager seemed very slow and I rebooted it, it never came back | 21:26 |
| cambba | vittorio: since then I've tried flashing it 50 times, but it just does not make any difference | 21:26 |
| vittorio | cambba, removing battery doesnt help? | 21:27 |
| cambba | vittorio: for how long? I removed it for couple of minutes | 21:27 |
| vittorio | i guess thats long enough | 21:27 |
| obra | Jaffa: looks like Perl is in mistral, but not bora. | 21:28 |
| Veggen | cambba: SD cards? | 21:28 |
| cambba | Veggen: only the one that came with the package, but I've tried also without | 21:28 |
| vittorio | cambba, does it reboot all the time? | 21:29 |
| cambba | vittorio: if I put charger on, then yes, but if I just power it on without charger, it just shuts down after Nokia logo | 21:30 |
| vittorio | cambba, did you try the no-lifeguard-reset option with flasher tool? | 21:31 |
| cambba | vittorio: what's that? I'm willing to try anything now... | 21:32 |
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| cambba | vittorio: some flag with the flasher? | 21:32 |
| vittorio | cambba, yes, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/Flasher_tool_usage?highlight=%28no-lifeguard-reset%29 | 21:33 |
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| vittorio | cambba, i never did than and im not sure about the syntax. but someone in this channel could recover his bricked N800 with this option | 21:34 |
| cambba | vittorio: thanks for the tip, I'll try that | 21:35 |
| vittorio | he installed something and his n800 bas bricked. it did reboot all the time | 21:35 |
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| Disconnect | vittorio: in theory the reflash (if it succeeded) would solve that too | 21:36 |
| cambba | vittorio: sounds like mine | 21:36 |
| Disconnect | might be hardware | 21:36 |
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| Disconnect | full reflash replaces the kernel, rootfs, etc | 21:37 |
| dijix | My icons (except for the middle one) on the left side are stuck as the ones from the AquaOS theme, no matter what I do.. anyone experienced this or know how to fix it? | 21:38 |
| vittorio | Disconnect, he reflashed and it didnt help (or didnt work to reflash) | 21:38 |
| dijix | this is on an N800, by the way | 21:38 |
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| Disconnect | dijix: when in doubt reflash :) | 21:39 |
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| dijix | How do I go about doing that? | 21:39 |
| Disconnect | windows or linux? | 21:40 |
| Disconnect | see the topic for 'new image' - it works to flash the same image too | 21:40 |
| dijix | windows | 21:41 |
| Disconnect | the europe.nokia.com site is for you then. iirc the windows flasher has an option for "reflash anyway, even if its the same ver" | 21:42 |
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| * Disconnect hasn't used it since early in the 770 days, but.. | 21:42 | |
| dijix | thanks! | 21:43 |
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| Disconnect | hmm. i should leave the camera open. i can ssh to the 800 but i can't find it.. | 21:43 |
| dijix | I wish the N800 came with extra screen protectors.. I've already jacked mine up :)P | 21:43 |
| keesj770 | Disconnect, just run mplayer on a audio file | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | obra: that's a pain | 21:45 |
| dijix | I'm using a bluetooth usb adapter on my computer to connect to my 800.. is there a way to have the 800 use this bluetooth to piggy back on my net connection? It seems to only want specifically a cell phone for bluetooth or WLAN.. I don't want to need to go get a wireless router if I don't need to just for web access from home | 21:47 |
| purex | Kaffe JVM on IPAQ linux: http://www.kaffe.org/screenshots_fks.shtml | 21:48 |
| obra | Jaffa: indeed. but the pointer got me to look again, so thanks :) | 21:56 |
| Disconnect | keesj770: found it but good call. not sure the volume is up | 21:56 |
| * Disconnect turns the volume up | 21:56 | |
| cambba | vittorio: thanks a lot, I got it working!! :) | 21:57 |
| keesj770 | Disconnect, I am always so happy when in the middle of the night my phone tries to wake me up , telling me she needs power | 21:57 |
| keesj770 | "help , help" , but this device just dies in silence | 21:58 |
| keesj770 | Like a real man | 21:58 |
| vittorio | cambba, great! | 21:58 |
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| dijix | Disconnect: thanks - that was a simple process to reflash | 22:04 |
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| obra | win 10 | 22:25 |
| obra | mischan, sorry | 22:25 |
| cesman | perhaps it is preaching to the choir: http://www.starryhope.com/tech/apple/2007/10-ways-the-nokia-n800-is-better-than-apples-iphone/ | 22:31 |
| Jaffa | cesman: good lisst | 22:38 |
| cesman | thanks | 22:39 |
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| s-ndh-c | is there some remotecontrol software thing for the 770? i would like to control the mediaplayer thats running on my desktop system via bluutooth or wlan | 22:44 |
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| keesj770 | it would be nice if that was possible with mediastreamer | 22:46 |
| dijix | I just reflashed my 800 and now it won't let me install any themes | 22:46 |
| glass | well.. i run the winamp web interface plugin on my winamp running on the desktop.. it's not too fancy though, but the same principle of using a web controlled mediaplayer should work quite easily | 22:46 |
| jtra | s-ndh-c: vnc can be used as remote control | 22:47 |
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| * Jaffa has a good feeling for developer discount codes tomorrow, or early next week. | 22:59 | |
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| memnoc | hello, I know this is pretty much for maemo dev, but was wondering if I could ask an N800 question | 23:03 |
| * koen adds a week to Jaffa's expectation | 23:04 | |
| koen | nokia legal has to go over it to check for gpl violations | 23:05 |
| koen | or some other excuse lawyers use | 23:05 |
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| memnoc | I picked up an 800 yesterday, and it seems that the internal SD slot ignores if an sd card is locked, was wondering if anyone else had seen this | 23:06 |
| cesman | anyone know what video codecs media streamer can handle? | 23:06 |
| cesman | memnoc: internal works fine here | 23:06 |
| cesman | using teh 128 that came w/ unit | 23:06 |
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| memnoc | works fine here as well, except it doesn't care if I lock an sd card | 23:06 |
| memnoc | I used another card I had, which I had locked, inserted the card, then put a 128 meg swap file on it | 23:07 |
| memnoc | it's not a big deal | 23:08 |
| memnoc | other question is, no matter what I try my google talk credentails (from an existing account) don't work whne I try to login | 23:08 |
| rincewind1013 | anyone ever use ffmpeg to ecode videos? i'm having trouble with the files i make using ffmpeg | 23:11 |
| rincewind1013 | if i use quicktime, they work | 23:11 |
| jtokash | memnoc, that's very interesting | 23:12 |
| rincewind1013 | it seems the difference is in the mpeg4 header, http://pastebin.ca/316655 | 23:12 |
| memnoc | jtokash which question? ;) | 23:13 |
| memnoc | with the SD card, I haven't tried to write to the locked card in the external slot | 23:15 |
| memnoc | was also write to the locked card when the 800 is hooked up via USB as well | 23:15 |
| tko | memnoc, you need to have the battery cover closed | 23:17 |
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| memnoc | tko, battery cover was closed | 23:18 |
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| dijix | Anyone have difficulty installing themes? after making a flash update? | 23:22 |
| seebs | Hey, this might be a dumb question, but... Does anyone but me have a hard time getting the N800 to go into flash mode? It mostly just boots up normally instead. | 23:26 |
| dijix | seebs: you mean for upgrading?.. you need to have the usb plugged in and hold the home button (the very bottom one on the face of the device) while pushing the chrome power switch... | 23:27 |
| seebs | Yeah. It doesn't always seem to work for me. | 23:27 |
| dijix | then you should see a USB icon in the upper right corner of the screen while on the NOKIA splash screen | 23:27 |
| seebs | Yup. | 23:27 |
| seebs | I know what to do, in theory. It's just that, sometimes, it doesn't actually happen, and instead I get the regular boot. | 23:27 |
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| HGFB | seebs. I have the exact same problem. Both my 770 and 800 tend to go into USB mode for a second and then boot normally | 23:32 |
| seebs | Well, I got it to work enough to reflash. I have to reflash to test out the details for my article. Whee! | 23:32 |
| HGFB | I have to swear and curse at it for a long time whenever I want to flash. It works eventually but it's not reliable in the slightest | 23:33 |
| seebs | Well, one thing I did wrong this time: I didn't have the USB cable in the first time I tried. | 23:33 |
| dijix | HGFB: you ever have problem reinstalling things after reflashing? | 23:35 |
| HGFB | Just Nethack until i realised it needs a reboot before you run it the first time | 23:36 |
| HGFB | I'm having a problem at the moment though. I can't get the minimo repository to work at all | 23:36 |
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| ntrs | can someone please port minicom for n800? | 23:41 |
| Fatal | minicom :( | 23:42 |
| ntrs | and some java runtime so I can use java applets in the browser? | 23:42 |
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| ntrs | Fatal, yes minicom, the terminal application. | 23:42 |
| Fatal | :( != ? | 23:43 |
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| ntrs | Fatal, I know. | 23:44 |
| Fatal | ntrs, I know. | 23:44 |
| tigert | seebs: my trick: | 23:45 |
| tigert | seebs: 1) remove battery | 23:45 |
| tigert | 2) install battery, but dont turn the device on | 23:45 |
| tigert | 3) plug in USB | 23:45 |
| tigert | 4) start flasher on computer | 23:45 |
| tigert | 5) plug in charger | 23:45 |
| tigert | it works every time | 23:46 |
| seebs | Actually, that's EXACTLY how I ended up doing it the other day, pretty much. | 23:46 |
| tigert | it wakes up and instantly goes to flash | 23:46 |
| MDK | re | 23:46 |
| seebs | Now the tedious process of getting a terminal on here so I can get ssh attached. | 23:47 |
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| koos__ | hmm, both ARMEL and X86 SB targets enter '#if __BYTE_ORDER == __LITTLE_ENDIAN' | 23:49 |
| seebs | I really do wish they'd have included a shell in the base install. | 23:50 |
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| tigert | seebs: just get it from maemo-hackers repo? | 23:54 |
| tigert | its not THAT hard | 23:54 |
| seebs | It's not, but the third time I have to install files using application manager to get to a prompt, it's gotten tedious. | 23:55 |
| seebs | I mean, own fault for flashing several times, but still. If they'd just leave the terminal in the release, I wouldn't have to do anything. :) | 23:55 |
| tigert | just fetch the debs to a memory card then :) | 23:56 |
| tigert | and make a .install file | 23:57 |
| tigert | the .install file would not be too bad idea anyway | 23:57 |
| tigert | for inz for example | 23:57 |
| guerby | tko, memnoc, I confirm the write lock for external slot is ignored by the N800, I opened https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=946 | 23:58 |
| seebs | A .install file? | 23:58 |
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| seebs | But this time, I'm making a backup with JUST ssh/xterm/passwords/WEP-key done, no other apps touched, so I have a clean backup to revert to later. | 23:59 |
| tigert | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/doc/repository.txt | 23:59 |
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