| mgedmin | Disconnect: does the box/manual say anything about battery life? | 00:05 |
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| mgedmin | the 770 supposedly had 3 hours with wifi on | 00:05 |
| pahartik | Disconnect: what would "hciconfig -a" show? | 00:05 |
| Disconnect | pahartik: looking for something specific? its a bit long to retype :) | 00:07 |
| Disconnect | mgedmin: nada but its bp-5l same as 770 | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | so it only leaves us wondering how much power the new cpu, ram and other hardware requires | 00:08 |
| Disconnect | yep | 00:09 |
| Disconnect | prolly come out at release | 00:09 |
| pahartik | Disconnect: "HCI Ver", "LMP Ver", "Manufacturer" | 00:10 |
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| Disconnect | ver 2.0 lmp 2.0 manuf cambridge silicon radio (10) | 00:11 |
| Disconnect | lmp subver 0x6cc | 00:12 |
| pahartik | Disconnect: thank you | 00:12 |
| Disconnect | brb finding rsmmc adapter, gonna see if it likes 2g cards | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | btw what did you mean that bt is actually reasonable (send/recv files)? | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | does it support obex push by any chance? | 00:15 |
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| ssvb | Disconnect: can you post log of dmesg just after booting somewhere? I wonder what videocontroller chip is used in this new device | 00:21 |
| Disconnect | mgedmin: yep | 00:21 |
| ssvb | It can also provide a lot of insights about the hardware | 00:21 |
| * mgedmin drools | 00:21 | |
| Disconnect | 2g rsmmc + adapter works | 00:22 |
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| mgedmin | so, are both slots full size? | 00:24 |
| Disconnect | yes | 00:24 |
| qgil | was http://www.internettablettalk.com black before? It's eating my eyes | 00:24 |
| chippy_ | i'm late to the party! Did anyone work out what the procesor is yet? | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | no, it used to be white | 00:25 |
| Disconnect | rebooting for dmesg (i'm curious too) | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | chippy_: 320 MHz ARM6 of some sort | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | check thoughtfix's blog for more details | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | or irc logs | 00:25 |
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| chippy_ | Yeah. Saw that. Thx. USeful upgrade. Good enough for better video. | 00:25 |
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| Milhouse | Have we established how much dynamic RAM/flash RAM is installed? | 00:26 |
| chippy_ | 128 RAM right? | 00:26 |
| timdoug | Milhouse: 128MB | 00:26 |
| timdoug | http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html | 00:26 |
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| Milhouse | 770 had 64MB dynamic RAM and 64MB flash RAM? | 00:26 |
| mgedmin | it has 128 flash and 64 ram | 00:27 |
| Disconnect | root fs is 251M | 00:27 |
| mgedmin | woohoo, so everything is double | 00:27 |
| Disconnect | so 128/256 it looks like | 00:27 |
| Milhouse | ok, so double the flash ram... hmmm... wonder if more dynamic RAM would have been a good thing, I guess I should trust Nokia! :) | 00:27 |
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| Milhouse | ah... cool (confused now) | 00:28 |
| keesj | what is vfp? | 00:28 |
| Disconnect | Milhouse: like, say, double the ram? | 00:28 |
| mgedmin | hardware floating point support | 00:28 |
| Milhouse | jolly good - doubel the ram :) | 00:28 |
| * mgedmin thinks 2x RAM and 2x flash is reason enough to get the N800 | 00:28 | |
| Milhouse | Serge will be happy about that - hardware FP :) | 00:28 |
| Disconnect | whoa. mediastreamer found my myth box | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | and that's not counting faster cpu and 2 SD slots | 00:29 |
| mgedmin | does it play oggs? | 00:29 |
| keesj | great! | 00:29 |
| Milhouse | Me wants 4GB SD cards... hopefully support will arrive in the first update to OS 2007! | 00:29 |
| Disconnect | won`t play ("Object not found") but the show list is there | 00:29 |
| Milhouse | I read it now plays flash... does that mean it has Flash 9 support (the only recent version ported to Linux)? | 00:30 |
| Milhouse | sorry, flash == youtube video | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | youtube works on flash 6 | 00:30 |
| Milhouse | i thought it choked? | 00:30 |
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| mgedmin | or was it flash 7? | 00:31 |
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| Milhouse | wanted Flash 8 or higher | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | the one that was available on linux before 9 | 00:31 |
| Milhouse | 7 then I think | 00:31 |
| Milhouse | and the 770 had Flash 6? | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | maybe it was youtube = flash 7, nokia 770 = flash 6 | 00:31 |
| Milhouse | yep | 00:31 |
| Milhouse | so what version of flash is now on the N800? | 00:32 |
| Milhouse | 9? | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | myspace requires flash 9 | 00:32 |
| Disconnect | ooooh battery app does estimates | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | that would be a way to test | 00:32 |
| soothsay | Sorry, I'm sure this has been repeated to death but what are CPU and mem specs for the N800? | 00:32 |
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| mgedmin | ooh, estimates! | 00:32 |
| Disconnect | 10 days idle, 3 hrs in use | 00:32 |
| Milhouse | ooh, you mean it does something when you click the battery icon? | 00:32 |
| Disconnect | yep | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | soothsay: 320 mhz arm6, 128 mb ram, 256 mb flash | 00:32 |
| Milhouse | now that's worth shelling out for... ;) | 00:32 |
| soothsay | mgedmin: Thanks | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | can anyone change the /topic ? | 00:32 |
| soothsay | :) | 00:32 |
| Milhouse | hehe | 00:32 |
| soothsay | I like those specs | 00:32 |
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| Disconnect | cranked bl it went to 2 hrs | 00:33 |
| Milhouse | I'd have been happy with just a bumped CPU - ecstatic at double the memory. | 00:33 |
| soothsay | Anyone know anything about availability outside of U.S.? | 00:33 |
| chippy_ | good Q | 00:33 |
| Milhouse | going to order one as soon as they appear online (I'm in the UK - bit far to go for CompUSA) | 00:33 |
| qgil | mgedmin: if it's a Maemo related topic... ;) | 00:33 |
| chippy_ | Havent see/heard anything in Germany yet. | 00:33 |
| Disconnect | soothsay: given its not released officially..... | 00:33 |
| mgedmin | my coworker is going to the US in 2 weeks *grin* | 00:33 |
| Milhouse | I imagine they'll go live online Monday/Tuesday next week | 00:34 |
| Disconnect | /topic n800 is schweeet! | 00:34 |
| Milhouse | I downloaded the manual, it has entries to nokia.com/n800 but that page isn't live yet | 00:34 |
| Disconnect | yah | 00:34 |
| soothsay | Disconnect: Well, some people know that its being distributed at big box retailers in US. Maybe the situation is similar elsewhere. | 00:34 |
| Milhouse | Sounds like CompUSA have stuffed up | 00:34 |
| Milhouse | I say Textrat slapping them about on engadget | 00:34 |
| Milhouse | :) | 00:35 |
| Milhouse | s/say/saw/g | 00:35 |
| chippy_ | Q. Does it have Mic-in or just built-in mic? | 00:35 |
| Disconnect | mic on the headset | 00:35 |
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| chippy_ | ok combo socket | 00:36 |
| Milhouse | Still no BT headset or audio support - one can only hope it arrives in a future 2007 update | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | The big question is will 2007 OS be released for the 770, and will the performance suck if it's been designed for the multi-times better N800? | 00:36 |
| Milhouse | The new CPU should have enough grunt for Java too - if that ever arrives | 00:37 |
| Disconnect | the old one did too, but its proprietary :( | 00:37 |
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| Milhouse | true, but with 2.5x the performance of the old CPU it should fly on the new one (maybe it would have done on the old one when using the proprietary extensions that nobody could get specs for) | 00:38 |
| Milhouse | OS 2007 on 770 - my guess there will be two versions, one for N800 and one for 770 | 00:39 |
| soothsay | Jazelle is what the ARM Java execution stuff is called | 00:39 |
| soothsay | New proc probably also has it. | 00:39 |
| Milhouse | It does, but nobody has access to the specs (other than Nokia & ARM) | 00:39 |
| chippy_ | Shit. No BT headset. Or A2DP I guess. Is it BT 1.2 or 2.0 | 00:39 |
| Milhouse | BT2.0 | 00:40 |
| Milhouse | I would also guess that new versions for the 770 will continue only for another year or so | 00:41 |
| ssvb | Milhouse: CPU speed improvement will be more like 30% on average and not 2.5x, but for stuff that requires floating point math for example, it will be many times faster | 00:41 |
| bertlmike | is it usb 1.1 or 2.0? and does it have usb host support? | 00:41 |
| Milhouse | yeah, i'm just getting that figure from the bogomips rating - which we all know is entirely, er, bogus | 00:41 |
| Milhouse | :) | 00:41 |
| soothsay | Is Jazelle an instruction set? | 00:42 |
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| Milhouse | yes | 00:42 |
| Milhouse | designed for Java | 00:42 |
| Milhouse | byte code | 00:42 |
| chippy_ | I've put as much info as I can in a datasheet now. http://www.carrypad.com/product/product.php?id=56 | 00:42 |
| soothsay | Who the hell makes a CPU and doesn't tell anyone how to use the instruction set? | 00:42 |
| chippy_ | will keep that as updated as I can | 00:42 |
| Milhouse | There is some restriction somewhere - it's either ARM, Nokia or it could even be SUN | 00:43 |
| Disconnect | built in speakers aren't bad for once | 00:43 |
| Milhouse | there is talk the problem will go away once Java is full open sourced which suggests the problem may be with SUN | 00:43 |
| soothsay | I think it needs to be licensed from ARM | 00:43 |
| Milhouse | k | 00:43 |
| Milhouse | Perhaps Nokia don't see the demand | 00:43 |
| Milhouse | They seem to be pushing more of the open source scripting alternatives (Python etc) | 00:44 |
| tigert | who cares about java? it would have been OK if they open sourced it 2 years ago | 00:44 |
| soothsay | Nokia may be a licensee, but they wouldn't be able to sub-license to everyone | 00:44 |
| tigert | its fine for serverside stuff | 00:44 |
| Milhouse | A lot of people care about Java! | 00:44 |
| Milhouse | Like er big enterprises | 00:44 |
| tigert | but they are WAY late with the opensourcing | 00:44 |
| tigert | for desktop | 00:44 |
| suihkulokki | Milhouse: apparently not enough for anyone to port java to 770 themself.. | 00:45 |
| * tigert is more excited about mono for maemo | 00:45 | |
| Milhouse | I think there's been one or two attempts - performance wasn't great | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | suihkulokki: there are Java ports for the 770, and they work. | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | suihkulokki: you could say the same about C# | 00:45 |
| tigert | how many cool java apps are there ? | 00:45 |
| Milhouse | Mono for N800 - yay! :) | 00:45 |
| tigert | compared to what is happening on linux with mono | 00:45 |
| lle | you could always run eclipse on 770 | 00:46 |
| suihkulokki | Jaffa: hmh, I was under the impression that every day someone asks here for java | 00:46 |
| tigert | and there is work on mono community to make it work on maemo | 00:46 |
| keesj | there is jruby , and eclipse :) | 00:46 |
| ssvb | I think porting luajit to maemo could be an interesting idea: http://luajit.luaforge.net/ | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | suihkulokki: they've not been packaged, or modified to auto-hildonise, but it's possible. | 00:47 |
| Milhouse | What about all those Java apps on phones - could be ideal for the 770/N800 | 00:47 |
| lle | lua is rather hideous from syntax point of view | 00:47 |
| tigert | Milhouse: name one that you use? | 00:47 |
| ssvb | lua is a simple nice nice lightweight language, but it relies on floating point math (and that's supposedly not a problem anymore) | 00:47 |
| Milhouse | umm... | 00:47 |
| Milhouse | ok you got me | 00:47 |
| tigert | Milhouse: the point is, its a lot easier to port your random linux app to maemo just by recompiling | 00:47 |
| Milhouse | Don't they have games and stuff? | 00:48 |
| lle | ssvb: lua is a nice language for many things, but not for writing applications entirely in it, imho | 00:48 |
| tigert | and perhaps some ui love | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | tigert: sorry, that's bollocks. | 00:48 |
| tigert | Jaffa: I am biased :) | 00:48 |
| tigert | and it is late | 00:48 |
| Milhouse | I know... and to be honest, Java for GUIs is a bit of a lost cause but it is a hole that could/should be filled considering the extensions are in the CPU :) | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | tigert: without the Gtk+ fork that Nokia (for relatively good reasons) don't want to do, porting to Maemo is harder than it needs to be. | 00:48 |
| Disconnect | so now who is gonna recompile all their apps for me? ;) | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | It's not *too* hard for gtk+ apps, but it's not as easy as it could be (for us, resulting in more work for the Maemo team) | 00:49 |
| suihkulokki | lle: you run jplus on 770 if it had java! | 00:49 |
| timdoug | Disconnect: opera version? | 00:49 |
| tigert | Jaffa: yeah, the whole hildon stuff should just be "gnome embedded" | 00:49 |
| lle | suihkulokki: oh right, forgot about that already ;) | 00:49 |
| bertlmike | hi everyone! sorry if this has been asked before, but has anyone tested the usb speed and checked for host support? | 00:49 |
| tigert | Jaffa: a "handheld" mode for gtk | 00:49 |
| Milhouse | Tomcat on N800... ;) | 00:49 |
| tigert | with special widgets where needed | 00:49 |
| * tigert would love that | 00:49 | |
| tigert | ...and ZERO patches! | 00:50 |
| tigert | but its liian hapokasta | 00:50 |
| * tigert ducks | 00:50 | |
| * Disconnect blew up his usb power injector so.. | 00:50 | |
| mgedmin | what's the binary compatibility? do mistral/scirocco apps work on the N800? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | tigert: "liian hapokasta"? | 00:50 |
| tigert | Jaffa: dont ask | 00:50 |
| tigert | :) | 00:50 |
| Milhouse | talking of speed, hopefully the WiFi speed is better than the 400Kb/s on the 770 - anyone able to test using TTCP? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Carlos did say bora would have "minor" incompatible API changes. | 00:50 |
| Tak | ...and if not, is there a scratchbox release yet? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | tigert: fairy snuff ;-) | 00:50 |
| tigert | Jaffa: just one finnish internet joke | 00:51 |
| suihkulokki | Jaffa: youtube it. but don't ask for explantions =) | 00:51 |
| tigert | hard to explain | 00:51 |
| mgedmin | I think there was a rootstrap for bora | 00:51 |
| Jaffa | tigert: you responsible for the black theme on the N800 screenshots? It looks *nice*. | 00:51 |
| Disconnect | opera 8.5 internal / build 2.0.31 | 00:51 |
| tigert | cannot comment, but the answer is no | 00:51 |
| Jaffa | Of course, any such device doesn't exist yet. | 00:51 |
| tigert | I am almost done with my nice blue theme | 00:51 |
| tigert | and I hope to finish it next week | 00:51 |
| tigert | for the maemo devel stuff | 00:52 |
| tigert | Jaffa: yeah, purely hypothetically of course | 00:52 |
| Disconnect | nokia should use rantradio as the default | 00:52 |
| Disconnect | btw backspace in a browser form still goes back in the history :( | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | suihkulokki: WTF?! http://youtube.com/watch?v=TwsA9aFOqfM seems very weird. | 00:53 |
| tigert | Jaffa: it is | 00:53 |
| Disconnect | and home-home should desktop, not close the app list | 00:54 |
| tigert | Jaffa: well, let me attempt | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | :) | 00:54 |
| tigert | Jaffa: there was this one guy who went to this finnish TV show that is about breaking records | 00:54 |
| tigert | "I can drink 1.5 liters of coke in 45 seconds!" | 00:54 |
| tigert | and then he couldnt, the ultimate flop | 00:54 |
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| tigert | on national TV | 00:54 |
| tigert | and it got into youtube | 00:55 |
| arj | haha | 00:55 |
| tigert | and got huge on irc etc | 00:55 |
| tigert | his words were roughly "I cannot, it's too acidic" ("ei pysty, liian hapokasta" in finnish) | 00:55 |
| tigert | thus the phrase | 00:55 |
| lle | suihkulokki: jplus seems to not be entirely dead, but anyway, you'd need to port sqlplus to maemo first ;) | 00:55 |
| tigert | then people started to do their own versions | 00:55 |
| tigert | http://ollihokkanenopen.com/ < this is actually a internet competition where they try to find a real record | 00:56 |
| tigert | one can participate by sending a link to a youtube video of a record attempt | 00:56 |
| suihkulokki | Jaffa: that's the original: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hix25TdoBFA | 00:56 |
| tigert | its just insanity, the real yellow tabloid newspaper featured the guy etc | 00:57 |
| Milhouse | what does "uname -a" say on the N800? | 00:57 |
| mgedmin | chippy_: the N800 has two full-size SD card slots | 00:58 |
| soothsay | What size SD card does it come with? | 00:58 |
| tigert | Jaffa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtCIIybcOyo < the current record of 0.5l of coke | 00:59 |
| chippy_ | 2xfull size. Niiiice. Will update the datasheet. | 00:59 |
| tigert | crazy and silly, but kinda cool as an internet phenomenon | 00:59 |
| Tak | what's the n800 selling for? | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | Tak: $400 | 00:59 |
| Milhouse | soothsay: 128Mb I believe | 00:59 |
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| pahartik | tigert: I think "liian hapokasta" in that case would translate to "too well carbonated" | 00:59 |
| Tak | is that the compusa price? | 00:59 |
| tigert | pahartik: yeah | 01:00 |
| tigert | or just "too carbonated" | 01:00 |
| mgedmin | Tak: yes | 01:00 |
| Tak | damn - that's really nice considering they're selling the 770 for $350 | 01:00 |
| Milhouse | should be cheaper online direct from Nokia - maybe $30 less? should work out close to £200 in the UK | 01:00 |
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| tigert | in any case, its very silly but in a way pretty interesting in the social phenomenon sense, how such a thing can become so big in a short time | 01:00 |
| Disconnect | yah comes w/ 128 mini-sd | 01:00 |
| Milhouse | but I bet it will be closer to £250 | 01:00 |
| tigert | I mean, one can hear kids talk about it on the street | 01:00 |
| chippy_ | OK. Updated the datasheet. Thx. | 01:00 |
| chippy_ | Price on datasheet too. | 01:00 |
| Milhouse | a bit like the Mentos/Coke thing | 01:01 |
| tigert | Milhouse: yeah | 01:01 |
| tigert | very much | 01:01 |
| tigert | "I want to do it too!!" | 01:01 |
| tigert | or many other things on youtube | 01:01 |
| tigert | it has changed a lot | 01:01 |
| tigert | the craziest thing was the lonelygirl15 stunt | 01:01 |
| pahartik | tigert: though I have not seen that video content or anything obviously related | 01:01 |
| Milhouse | man, he's flagging by his 3rd glass! | 01:01 |
| tigert | where it actually was a tv producer just doing ad-hoc tv series -kinda thing on youtube | 01:01 |
| tigert | that looked like a teen videoblog | 01:02 |
| suihkulokki | tigert: fortunetly the guy himself seems to take it with humour. | 01:02 |
| tigert | THAT is awesome | 01:02 |
| Milhouse | he's finished on 3 - oh dear! | 01:02 |
| tigert | suihkulokki: yeah | 01:02 |
| tigert | Milhouse: yeah, it was the ultimate flop on TV | 01:02 |
| Milhouse | poor fella | 01:02 |
| tigert | Milhouse: he himself had his coke warm and the bottles had been standing open (duh) | 01:02 |
| Milhouse | mind you, i wouldn't poke fun at him - he's a big lad! | 01:02 |
| tigert | so it was easier at home :) | 01:03 |
| tigert | but what is the interesting thing is how youtube makes this kind of stuff possible | 01:03 |
| Disconnect | doesn't like itunes-ripped m4a | 01:03 |
| tigert | or the other case where someone posted a video of a security guard in helsinki who was kicking a dude on the floor | 01:03 |
| tigert | it got into police investigation | 01:03 |
| tigert | and big news here | 01:04 |
| jtokash | I just got back with my n800 | 01:04 |
| tigert | youtube is interesting | 01:04 |
| Disconnect | cool | 01:04 |
| jtokash | Have to feed the kids before I can do anything | 01:04 |
| Tak | so like the finnish rodney king | 01:04 |
| Milhouse | it is, particularly when stupid people post up illegal activities then horror of horrors, receive a knock on the door - duh :) | 01:04 |
| * Disconnect is gonna find a snack and a beer | 01:04 | |
| tigert | Milhouse: yeah | 01:04 |
| sxpert | I love this water cooling idea :D http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/user/ebuehl/pool_cooling/ | 01:04 |
| pahartik | tigert: it depends on proprietary crap... | 01:05 |
| tigert | Milhouse: someone posted a "getaway" video of crazy motorbike street racing | 01:05 |
| tigert | pahartik: yeah it does | 01:05 |
| tigert | Milhouse: with a very special bike | 01:05 |
| Milhouse | licence plates nicely focused? | 01:05 |
| tigert | Milhouse: "gee, who knew they could track him since it was the only such bike model in town?" | 01:05 |
| Milhouse | aha! | 01:06 |
| sxpert | they have night & day speeding cameras that read plates here | 01:06 |
| Milhouse | you have to wonder about some people... | 01:06 |
| sxpert | in real time, and then there's a display saying "<foo>, yer driving too fast" | 01:06 |
| tigert | Milhouse: the car plates he overtook were nicely visible | 01:06 |
| tigert | so the cops just called those folks and asked what kind of bike it was | 01:06 |
| tigert | sxpert: nifty and scary | 01:06 |
| sxpert | tigert, yeah | 01:07 |
| Milhouse | not to mention, stupid :) | 01:07 |
| suihkulokki | tigert: in oulu? I think it was originally leaked when the author copied it via some university servers /tmp, and forgot to delete it from there | 01:07 |
| tigert | sxpert: "<foo>, looks like you are driving to <xxx-store> again, might be interested in <yyy-store> as well?" | 01:07 |
| Tak | sxpert: that's killer - too bad it doesn't heat the pool too | 01:07 |
| tigert | suihkulokki: ok :=) | 01:07 |
| tigert | suihkulokki: yea, oulu | 01:07 |
| sxpert | Tak, considering the rules of thermodynamics, I suppose it does. it all depends on cluster size :D | 01:07 |
| Milhouse | next thing you know they'll have videos of executions on youtube. | 01:07 |
| sxpert | Tak, imagine a google DC :D | 01:08 |
| Tak | they'd need a nuclear-plant-style tower | 01:08 |
| sxpert | hahaha | 01:08 |
| tigert | Milhouse: well, saddam is probably there already | 01:08 |
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| Tak | saddam is definitely there | 01:09 |
| Milhouse | he most definately is | 01:09 |
| tigert | in several copies | 01:09 |
| tigert | :-p | 01:09 |
| Milhouse | Strewth... people on engadget still asking if it's a phone - argh! | 01:13 |
| soothsay | Can't stand that either | 01:13 |
| tigert | heh.. brain dysfunction.. "nokia, must be phone!!" | 01:13 |
| mgedmin | it's a VoIP phone! | 01:13 |
| Milhouse | When I got a TiVo in 2000 it was hard explaining the concept to people - "Why would I want a TiVo when I've got my video recorder?" | 01:14 |
| mgedmin | I think the "nokia must be a phone" assumption once let me get through air security faster | 01:14 |
| Milhouse | I feel the same could be true of the Internet Tablet :( | 01:14 |
| mgedmin | which was good, because I was almost late for the plane | 01:14 |
| tigert | Milhouse: yeah. it probably is always the case when there is a new type of a device | 01:14 |
| tigert | Milhouse: its the same with this pda thing | 01:14 |
| tigert | "what, no calendar?" | 01:14 |
| tigert | "but its a pda!" | 01:14 |
| Milhouse | yeah, it took another manufacturer with deep pockets (Sky with Sky+) before the idea sank in over 4 years later (my TiVo still going strong, best gadget eva!) | 01:15 |
| Tak | heh, my fiancee has that issue all the time | 01:15 |
| Tak | "Cool phone!" "It's not a phone, it's an internet tablet." "Oh, ok........Say, can I borrow your phone for a sec?" | 01:16 |
| Milhouse | This is typical of some people though - from engadget: "OK. I'm a tech fanatic like everyone else here but what real use does this have beyond the "one ups manship" of a new tech toy. Most tech fans have a Treo or treo like cell phone that can go on the web." | 01:16 |
| soothsay | Do you guys write code? | 01:16 |
| Milhouse | That poster has no idea... I can't handle surfing the web even on my VGA iPAQ, let alone a crappy little phone! | 01:16 |
| Milhouse | I make a passable living from it | 01:17 |
| Milhouse | :) | 01:17 |
| soothsay | I think only people who write code really 'get it'. | 01:17 |
| Milhouse | Nokia really do have to advertise this new device a lot more I think | 01:17 |
| tigert | Milhouse: exactly. for me, the browser is the killer app | 01:18 |
| Tak | what's 'it' ? | 01:18 |
| tigert | since its the first handheld that has actually a browser I kinda feel like using | 01:18 |
| Milhouse | it's intangible :) | 01:18 |
| soothsay | Why this device is useful | 01:18 |
| tigert | sure, its opera and.. duh. | 01:18 |
| tigert | but still | 01:18 |
| Tak | ah | 01:18 |
| tigert | it is not a cellphone crapola browser | 01:18 |
| bertlmike | sorry to be asking again: but did anyone with an actual n800 check the usb speed? | 01:18 |
| Milhouse | my primary use case is browsing - the 770 blows every other mobile device out of the water, bar a full blown laptop which is too heavy/too expensive/overkill for surfing on the move | 01:19 |
| tigert | Milhouse: exactly | 01:19 |
| tigert | Milhouse: you dont want to drag out even a X-series thinkpad in a bus | 01:19 |
| Milhouse | not if you want to keep it | 01:19 |
| tigert | but I use the 770 nicely | 01:19 |
| soothsay | I think, if asked, most people wouldn't understand the difference between browsing the web on the 770 and a cellphone or PDA | 01:19 |
| tigert | soothsay: until they try it | 01:19 |
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| Milhouse | that's when they "get it" | 01:20 |
| timdoug | opera mini on a treo 650, actually, is a really good browser | 01:20 |
| soothsay | Exactly. But good luck getting there. | 01:20 |
| Milhouse | it really also depends how much surfing they do - i use it every day | 01:20 |
| MDK | I wish gprs/3g was cheaper | 01:20 |
| wasabi__ | killer app: maemo mapper | 01:20 |
| timdoug | i use it to read wikipedia all the time | 01:20 |
| wasabi__ | i bought me one of those nokia gps units | 01:20 |
| wasabi__ | it completely rocks | 01:20 |
| tigert | MDK: you dont have to wish | 01:20 |
| timdoug | nevertheless, i still want a N800. | 01:20 |
| tigert | MDK: a lot of others do | 01:20 |
| wasabi__ | does the n800 have more ram? | 01:21 |
| MDK | i mean, when you start using gprs/3g regularly, there is no coming back | 01:21 |
| wasabi__ | or host usb? | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | wasabi_: yes, 128 megs, and 256 megs flash, and a 320 mhz cpu, and 2 full-size sd slots | 01:21 |
| wasabi__ | nice. | 01:21 |
| Milhouse | my god wikipedia is a nightmare on 770 - i start by looking up one subject, then i'm branching off until I'm about 3 or 4 links down and 2 hours have disappeared :) | 01:21 |
| soothsay | An Op should change the topic to include the specs | 01:21 |
| Disconnect | ugh can't get it to unlock | 01:21 |
| Disconnect | power select isn`t working | 01:21 |
| wasabi__ | i really want host usb. =( | 01:21 |
| tigert | soothsay: we have no ops | 01:21 |
| Milhouse | or a link to thoughtfix/chippy | 01:21 |
| wasabi__ | anybody want to buy my n770? :) | 01:22 |
| Milhouse | um, nah | 01:22 |
| Milhouse | :) | 01:22 |
| Tak | sure, I've got $20 | 01:22 |
| Tak | :-P | 01:22 |
| wasabi__ | is the battery life on the 800 better? | 01:22 |
| Milhouse | ok $21 | 01:22 |
| mgedmin | $22 | 01:22 |
| Disconnect | same battery | 01:23 |
| Milhouse | hehe | 01:23 |
| MDK | tigert: yes, i don't have to care... but the device would make much more sense (to people)7if high-speed 3g access was a comodity | 01:23 |
| tigert | yes | 01:23 |
| tigert | well | 01:23 |
| wasabi__ | MDK: it is in the US, for the most part. | 01:23 |
| Tak | at least in major metro areas | 01:23 |
| soothsay | wasabi__: What are typical rates? | 01:23 |
| tigert | until mobile data is priced so that you dont need to worry how much it costs | 01:23 |
| wasabi__ | Verizon has a $15 a month flat rate. | 01:23 |
| tigert | it wont fly off | 01:23 |
| wasabi__ | For BT DUN through your phone. | 01:23 |
| Milhouse | if it's the OMAP2410 I understand that has power saving features that means it's roughly the same as the preivious version yet much more powerful. The extra RAM could have an impact though | 01:23 |
| wasabi__ | EVDO. | 01:23 |
| wasabi__ | CDMA and all, but it's super fast. | 01:23 |
| Disconnect | tmob is $20 | 01:24 |
| soothsay | wasabi__: Bullshit. Start watching videos constantly and see how fast they close your account or charge you for overage | 01:24 |
| Disconnect | (on an existing plan) | 01:24 |
| Milhouse | Most UK network providers will gouge you for internet access and that's only GPRS at best; T-Mobile have the best deals in the UK, and are beginning to roll out HSDPA slowly | 01:25 |
| MDK | soothsay: i heard this | 01:25 |
| Disconnect | soothsay: I moved a TON of data. tmob didn't care | 01:25 |
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| soothsay | Disconnect: About how much? | 01:25 |
| tigert | soothsay: try internet radio :) | 01:25 |
| Whiz | I'm currently paying 10 EUR/month of a 128kbps gprs/3g connection without any limitations of data transfer.. I think thats pretty reasonable. Only con is that I had to make a 12 month deal to get that price. | 01:25 |
| Milhouse | talking of which - radioparadise.com is most excellent :) | 01:25 |
| MDK | Disconnect: last.fm player works on n800 | 01:26 |
| Disconnect | gigs, during a roadtrip (4 weeks on the road, online the whole way. mix of laptop, 770 and phone - 9300i) | 01:26 |
| Milhouse | Whiz - thats not a bad deal | 01:26 |
| MDK | Disconnect: try using it as an ipod :) | 01:26 |
| Milhouse | I think T-Mobile is about 12.50 on top of a voice tarrif (no voip allowed) | 01:27 |
| Milhouse | £12.50 | 01:27 |
| soothsay | Radio is not that much bandwidth (depending on bitrate) | 01:27 |
| Milhouse | which is what, 15-16 EUR? | 01:27 |
| Milhouse | thats for unlimited transfer - most of the other UK network providers still charge per MB for crying out loud :( | 01:28 |
| tigert | soothsay: 128kbps sounds reasonable | 01:28 |
| tigert | too bad 3G is not fully covered here | 01:28 |
| tigert | it drops to basic GPRS every now and then | 01:28 |
| tigert | and that doesnt quite keep up | 01:28 |
| * sxpert gets free UMTS tv during the week ends for one year. so far, I'm not impressed :D | 01:29 | |
| MDK | tigert: well, finland seems to well covered anyways | 01:29 |
| Milhouse | GPRS is awful though isn't it - about 60kbit/s tops | 01:30 |
| soothsay | Anybody have one of those portable fabric keyboards? | 01:30 |
| Milhouse | I use it, just about usable on sites without too many images | 01:30 |
| Whiz | One operator in finland just announced that it will be transforming all existing per MB billings to be billed by hour. so it doesnt matter how much you transfer but you will pay for the time that you've used the connection and if I understood right they have a minimum time of one hour. and it was something like 0,90 EUR/hour, so if you check your email 3 times a day with a pricing like that.. ... | 01:30 |
| Whiz | ... you can imagine how large your bill will be in the end of month :) | 01:30 |
| tigert | MDK: yeah | 01:30 |
| MDK | Whiz: thats bad | 01:30 |
| wasabi_ | My one complaint with teh n770, and maemo, is that I've been completley unable to sell anybody except geeks on it. | 01:31 |
| Milhouse | they'd be -1 customer here | 01:31 |
| Disconnect | wow camera is crap | 01:31 |
| wasabi_ | The lack of PIM really makes it useless for most consumers. | 01:31 |
| wasabi_ | And, so, I keep buying more smartphones for people. Alas. | 01:31 |
| Whiz | MDK, I'm glad that I dont and never have used that operator.. 2bad that it is/was the most popular operator in finland. | 01:31 |
| Milhouse | A decent official PIM app would be good, despite what Nokia say | 01:31 |
| wasabi_ | I suspect they're being careful to not take MS on. | 01:32 |
| wasabi_ | Which sucks, because there is real demand. | 01:32 |
| MDK | Whiz: which one? | 01:32 |
| timdoug | Disconnect: crappier than a cell phone camera? or what? | 01:32 |
| Whiz | MDK, Sonera | 01:32 |
| Milhouse | Better email app and synchronisation would sell a lot more devices | 01:32 |
| Disconnect | timdoug: think 1995 cellphone cam | 01:32 |
| tigert | I think the nice pim app is google | 01:32 |
| Milhouse | calendar and to do list should cover most requirements | 01:33 |
| tigert | even though it is scary too | 01:33 |
| MDK | Whiz: sonera is crap anyways | 01:33 |
| wasabi__ | Bah. | 01:33 |
| Disconnect | or 1970-sowething color tv | 01:33 |
| Whiz | MDK, http://digitoday.fi/page.php?page_id=15&news_id=2007172 (sorry, a column written in finnish) | 01:33 |
| wasabi__ | We use MS smart phones + exchange... because they work awesomlly. | 01:33 |
| Disconnect | all sparkles and noise | 01:33 |
| wasabi__ | I'd love to replace them with n800s using tinymail and contacts and dates. | 01:33 |
| wasabi__ | but alas, it's not ready yet | 01:33 |
| Milhouse | wasabi: shame about the rest of them :) | 01:33 |
| Tak | that is a good point @ tigert | 01:33 |
| soothsay | Disconnect: Can you post a pic? | 01:33 |
| wasabi__ | Milhouse: Yeah, they suck for anything else. | 01:33 |
| tigert | what is good in google stuff, is your data is not in your laptop, or your handheld | 01:33 |
| MDK | when I arrived in finland, I stayed in radisson with sonera wifi | 01:33 |
| Disconnect | no capture app, just chat | 01:34 |
| Milhouse | the webcam is only vga (640x480) right? | 01:34 |
| tigert | but its accessible by whatever device you might be using at the moment | 01:34 |
| tigert | at the same time its scary | 01:34 |
| tigert | but it is very interesting | 01:34 |
| wasabi__ | My CEO would go bonkers if he could have access to his exchange data on the 770, because I could also set up maemo mapper and stuff | 01:34 |
| tigert | since when its "in the interent" it is very easy to share things | 01:34 |
| Milhouse | google - means you need to be online though | 01:34 |
| wasabi__ | tigert: offline support is 100% required | 01:34 |
| Milhouse | which may not always be possible | 01:34 |
| tigert | Milhouse: but you always are anyway | 01:34 |
| wasabi__ | what Milhouse said | 01:34 |
| tigert | or want to | 01:34 |
| Milhouse | i am | 01:34 |
| tigert | but that is the point | 01:34 |
| MDK | i did a distro/laptop upgrade over it (around 600mb) | 01:34 |
| Milhouse | but that's just me :) | 01:34 |
| tigert | to be always online, so you can access your data | 01:34 |
| soothsay | I'm not | 01:35 |
| wasabi__ | Sorry, that's not reality though. | 01:35 |
| tigert | I want to be | 01:35 |
| tigert | its not THAT far | 01:35 |
| wasabi__ | Also, it's slow. | 01:35 |
| wasabi__ | I'd rather have local contact data than have to download it as I access it | 01:35 |
| tigert | I am online all day when I am at work | 01:35 |
| Milhouse | i think there will always be a case for offline support | 01:35 |
| soothsay | Syncing to Google apps would be okay | 01:35 |
| MDK | and managed to abuse the limits, since next day the wifi in the whole hotel dropped to like 1kb/s | 01:35 |
| tigert | I am online all the time I get from home to work | 01:35 |
| wasabi__ | tigert: The market for smart phones aren't. | 01:35 |
| tigert | and from work to home | 01:35 |
| tigert | and I am online most of the time at home anyway | 01:35 |
| Milhouse | Nokia + Google should be able to take on MS quite easily :) | 01:35 |
| tigert | so, its not THAT far | 01:36 |
| Milhouse | no hang on, Nokia + Google + T-Mobile - sorted | 01:36 |
| tigert | if one has a flatrate mobile data plan | 01:36 |
| Milhouse | T-Mobile do | 01:36 |
| tigert | it really is not THAT far fetched | 01:36 |
| suihkulokki | wasabi__: have you tried dates? | 01:36 |
| Milhouse | could happen - lets hope it does! | 01:36 |
| Whiz | MDK, :) | 01:37 |
| wasabi__ | yeah | 01:37 |
| wasabi__ | dates is nice, except it's not done looking | 01:37 |
| suihkulokki | "not done looking" ? | 01:38 |
| Milhouse | that's the thing - for geeks we can put up with half finished apps; the mass market want finished product | 01:38 |
| wasabi__ | it doesn't sync in any meaningful way. it doesn't have UI to set up accounts. | 01:38 |
| MDK | not to mention, that the device supports vpnc | 01:38 |
| MDK | at least cisco | 01:38 |
| wasabi__ | if you want to use it against evo, you're in for a hassle simple because exch-evo is flakey. | 01:38 |
| wasabi__ | s/svo/exchange/ | 01:38 |
| suihkulokki | have you reported your issues? | 01:39 |
| tigert | wasabi__: thats why I dont want to sync anything, I just want to use an interent datastore | 01:39 |
| tigert | thats why I hate email, but gmail is OK | 01:39 |
| tigert | all google conspiracy talk aside, thats not the point | 01:39 |
| tigert | but the concept of data-on-the-net | 01:39 |
| wasabi__ | I don't particularily mind that concept, but here in teh USofA, I am occassionaly not online. | 01:39 |
| tigert | it could be a good webmail I ran myself | 01:40 |
| wasabi__ | Might be out of range of broadband connection. | 01:40 |
| wasabi__ | Also, webmail sucks as an interface. | 01:40 |
| tigert | yeah, the 3rd world is sometimes like that | 01:40 |
| Milhouse | for me, i'd want to check contacts when I'm underground or in other places where I can't get a mobile signal | 01:40 |
| * tigert ducks :) | 01:40 | |
| wasabi__ | Heh. | 01:40 |
| wasabi__ | or on a PLANE? | 01:40 |
| Milhouse | indeed | 01:40 |
| wasabi__ | My boss writes email on the plain, in outlook, on his smartphone. | 01:41 |
| wasabi__ | It sends as soon as he lands. | 01:41 |
| tigert | most of the times you need to USE a contact though, its something you need a connection with anyway | 01:41 |
| lle | I want both, I want 100% of the data to available online AND offline | 01:41 |
| tigert | wasabi__: yea, but that is the point | 01:41 |
| wasabi__ | Except for the email example I just gave. ;) | 01:41 |
| Milhouse | ok - contact is a bad example, but thing to-do list, calendar, refer to an email | 01:41 |
| tigert | wasabi__: what is nice is automatically syncing tools that just work behind the scenes | 01:41 |
| MDK | wasabi__: one reason i use gmail is, because the ui doesn't suck | 01:41 |
| Milhouse | thing=think | 01:41 |
| wasabi__ | well, gmail isn't an answer. | 01:42 |
| tigert | using some protocols and frameworks very unlike all linux apps we have | 01:42 |
| wasabi__ | i can't get my company mail on it | 01:42 |
| wasabi__ | so, we can forget about that | 01:42 |
| tigert | that require a lot of setup | 01:42 |
| Milhouse | quite often i'm on my way to work and want to check what i'm doing in the morning - sometimes i want to do that waiting for an underground train (no signal) | 01:42 |
| MDK | wasabi__: even compared to stand-alone apps | 01:42 |
| tigert | wasabi__: I am just happy that I cannot read my work mail for example now | 01:42 |
| tigert | its just stupid meeting requrest anyway | 01:42 |
| wasabi__ | heh | 01:42 |
| tigert | and other stupid crap | 01:42 |
| tigert | that nobody cares about :) | 01:42 |
| Milhouse | waiting for the day when the b*stards give me a blackberry :( | 01:42 |
| wasabi__ | Well, we can sit around and argue about it however we want. Outlook on a smart phone works really well imo | 01:43 |
| tigert | I am happy that I dont need to read it on my free time | 01:43 |
| wasabi__ | and i'd love to sell n770's with foss in it's place | 01:43 |
| Milhouse | $23 | 01:43 |
| wasabi__ | heh | 01:43 |
| tigert | #maemo is more fun since I love the community | 01:43 |
| tigert | in a way its funny though | 01:44 |
| tigert | irc and geeks used to be "antisocial" | 01:44 |
| tigert | now this IM etc is all so hip | 01:44 |
| tigert | yet it is essentially the same thing, reinvented | 01:44 |
| MDK | one interesting thing about 'data-on-the-web' concept is that it's more secure | 01:44 |
| Milhouse | another example of people not "getting it" | 01:44 |
| MDK | or can be | 01:44 |
| wasabi__ | heh. if it's more secure, it's an accident. | 01:44 |
| Milhouse | I used to use IM at work over 10 years ago... IM is ideal for large multinational companies but most still don't "get it" | 01:44 |
| MDK | since when the device is stolen, the data is not | 01:45 |
| wasabi__ | if my device can GET to the web, a thief can just take it | 01:45 |
| tigert | laptop thefts are big problems nowadays yeah | 01:45 |
| Milhouse | or you quickly find another terminal, login and change your data store password - problem solved | 01:45 |
| MDK | wasabi__: you can protect stuf using password | 01:46 |
| MDK | ie. mozilla keyring passwword | 01:46 |
| Milhouse | and don't forget the thief will spend the first few hours trying to make mobile phone calls on your Nokia, until the battery goes flat | 01:46 |
| tigert | Milhouse: "Damn, where's the phone in this thing???!?!!" :))) | 01:47 |
| Milhouse | "It's a Nokia, but it's got no keypad - wtf?!!!" :) | 01:47 |
| Milhouse | Sold for £5 in a pub, no doubt | 01:47 |
| MDK | when somebody steals your outlook-enabled phone he gets your corporate email | 01:48 |
| wasabi__ | you can encrypt it | 01:48 |
| MDK | which typically contains a lot of shamefull/interesting crap | 01:48 |
| wasabi__ | at least on the new versions | 01:48 |
| Milhouse | unless you password protect it, he'll have it - encrypted or not. Password protection is a pain in the arse, though | 01:49 |
| Milhouse | maybe the N800 should have had a fingerprint or retinal scanner... | 01:49 |
| wasabi__ | Think the new smart phones use PINs | 01:49 |
| tigert | rectal scanner? no wait, misread it | 01:49 |
| wasabi__ | all the tablet PCs have finger print scanners now | 01:49 |
| Disconnect | set the pin | 01:49 |
| * tigert ducks | 01:50 | |
| Milhouse | tigert - I had to double check it too :) | 01:50 |
| Milhouse | pin is better, quicker to enter but still enough of a pain that some people won't bother with it. hardware recognition is probably the best bet long term | 01:50 |
| tigert | http://www.mobis.com.tw/bk-01.htm < wow | 01:50 |
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| Milhouse | cheap now, reliable - no argument really | 01:50 |
| gomiam | hello, everyone. | 01:51 |
| Milhouse | hello | 01:51 |
| gomiam | Let's hope I can make this question the way it should | 01:51 |
| suihkulokki | actually this PIM discussion is quite off-topic | 01:51 |
| wasabi__ | Milhouse: we mandate pins corporatlyt. | 01:51 |
| Milhouse | that's a good policy | 01:51 |
| suihkulokki | people seem to want a better PRODUCT, while this channel is about *community* | 01:51 |
| Milhouse | can we have both? :) | 01:52 |
| MDK | tigert: i had famous logitech keyboard for palm a while back, similiar textile concept | 01:52 |
| MDK | was crapppy as hell | 01:52 |
| Milhouse | what about that laser keyboard - any good? | 01:52 |
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| Disconnect | so.. any tips on the best way to set up a dev env for n800? | 01:52 |
| c0ffee | wait a few days until it's officially announced & supported | 01:53 |
| tigert | MDK: ok | 01:53 |
| Milhouse | Disconnect - are you going to be working on the RAID1 implementation? :) | 01:54 |
| soothsay | When does CES start? | 01:54 |
| soothsay | Monday? | 01:54 |
| Disconnect | sure | 01:54 |
| Milhouse | Thought it kicked off today | 01:54 |
| MDK | logitech keycase | 01:54 |
| Milhouse | speeches and things | 01:54 |
| Milhouse | Bill Gates closes the speeches tomorrow (Sun) apparenty | 01:54 |
| gomiam | I have had to reinstall 2006.2 a couple of times because, when installing extra applications (referred to in the Application Catalog), the 770 would enter a reboot cycle. Now it doesn't any more (I don't have all the apps I want installed yet, so I haven't lost hope:-), but it won't ask me for my code on startup. I have changed it a couple of times, and it works when I lock the device, but it doesn't when I power it off and on again (it did before it went bel | 01:54 |
| gomiam | sorry (didn't mean to make that text so long) | 01:55 |
| Milhouse | Spanning the filesystem across both SD slots (2GB each, or more) would be quite awesome for video and audio storage | 01:55 |
| gomiam | does anyone an idea about why it won't ask for my code, and/or how to sort it out? | 01:55 |
| koen | did I read 'gps' correctly? | 01:55 |
| suihkulokki | Disconnect: no comments, but follow SardineGettingStarted | 01:55 |
| Disconnect | cool | 01:56 |
| Milhouse | gomiam: code? you want to be prompted for the lock (unlock) code on each boot? | 01:56 |
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| gomiam | yup | 01:56 |
| gomiam | it did at the beginning, but it doesn't after reflashing it. | 01:57 |
| Milhouse | I can't find a setting to enable that functionality | 01:58 |
| myren | man it _fucking sucks_ the n800 does not have a gps. | 01:58 |
| koen | hmmm | 01:59 |
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| tigert | myren: but it has bluetooth! | 01:59 |
| nomis | uh, why is that important? | 01:59 |
| koen | now I'm torn between the fic phone and the n800 | 01:59 |
| nomis | bluetooth indeed. | 01:59 |
| Milhouse | Nokia N800 + Nokia N95 could be good, if the N95 GPS works with BT devices | 01:59 |
| myren | i'm getting the fic too | 01:59 |
| koen | nomis: bluetooth is &*W%&*#%# buggy on the 770 | 01:59 |
| tigert | btw, the nokia bluetooth gps has _insane_ battery life | 01:59 |
| gomiam | neither do I. Perhaps I'll need to ssh into it and find the configuration option :-/ | 01:59 |
| Disconnect | my gps sits in the mindow (etc) when i go places with iffy coverage. | 01:59 |
| tigert | from my experience | 01:59 |
| myren | i'm worried about BT gps devices | 01:59 |
| tigert | its crazy, I keep it on my jacket sleeve pocket and I forget it on | 01:59 |
| Disconnect | using the tablet from a distance is kinda a pita ;) | 01:59 |
| myren | its hard to tell which ones will have decent recievers | 02:00 |
| tigert | and it is just on after a week or so | 02:00 |
| nomis | does the N800 really already gets sold in the US? | 02:00 |
| Disconnect | i.trek m3 rocks | 02:00 |
| Disconnect | nomis: i've been hacking on one all day | 02:00 |
| myren | Disconnect: how'd you get yours? walk into compusa? | 02:00 |
| nomis | Disconnect: that was not my question :) | 02:00 |
| Disconnect | y.p | 02:00 |
| Disconnect | yep | 02:00 |
| tigert | myren: yea, I bet there are gps'es and gps'es | 02:01 |
| nomis | Its funny because of the lack of announcements. | 02:01 |
| tigert | myren: just because something happens to have a chip doesnt mean its actually a good one | 02:01 |
| myren | tigert: quite so | 02:01 |
| wasabi__ | how much is the n800: | 02:01 |
| Milhouse | I think CompUSA droids have dropped the ball | 02:01 |
| Milhouse | I bet Nokia are pretty pissed | 02:01 |
| Milhouse | $400 @ CompUSA | 02:02 |
| wasabi__ | ooh, steep. | 02:02 |
| myren | surely its only a couple compusa's that have fucked up though, no? | 02:02 |
| Milhouse | I reckon it will be cheaper direct from Nokia | 02:02 |
| myren | probably not. its what the 770 sold for originally. | 02:02 |
| timdoug | wasabi__: less than other OLPC-esque devices | 02:02 |
| wasabi__ | OLPC-esque? | 02:03 |
| myren | there's a Crown coming out that could be competitive to the N800 | 02:03 |
| Milhouse | The 770 was available for $360 direct from Nokia, more expensive originally in CompUSA | 02:03 |
| timdoug | erm, sorry, wrong term | 02:03 |
| myren | 5 inch touch screen, runs Windows CE. | 02:03 |
| wasabi__ | you mean the MS thing | 02:03 |
| Milhouse | WinCE - what resolution? | 02:03 |
| tigert | exactly my thought too | 02:03 |
| tigert | the mylo is nice too, but the screen res makes it yet another cellphone web experience for browsing | 02:04 |
| myren | looking for specs on the crown again, hold please | 02:04 |
| Milhouse | tigert: you answer for me when the specs are posted, ok? :) | 02:04 |
| MDK | mylo was a disappointment | 02:05 |
| tigert | Milhouse: I was talking about the screen res :) | 02:05 |
| Milhouse | you seem to be reading my mind! :) | 02:05 |
| tigert | well, the dpi matters | 02:05 |
| myren | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/cowons-upcoming-a3-and-q5-pmps-are-fit-as-fiddles-and-ready-for/ | 02:05 |
| Milhouse | Mylo seems to be more of a toy than a serious everyday device | 02:06 |
| tigert | it has sexy glowing leds :) | 02:06 |
| Milhouse | I want one!!! | 02:06 |
| tigert | but its a gaming toy | 02:06 |
| gomiam | argh! Is there no diff package for 770? | 02:06 |
| gomiam | oh my | 02:06 |
| myren | resolution not specified, but it includes touchscreen, gps. | 02:06 |
| myren | i like that its JUST screen | 02:06 |
| myren | the Crown Q5 i linked | 02:06 |
| Milhouse | it may be a toy, but it will look great sat next to my routers with all those glowing LEDs... | 02:07 |
| Milhouse | alongside the PSP that never gets used anymore (though Ridge Racer was most excellent) | 02:07 |
| Milhouse | 480x272 res | 02:07 |
| myren | Milhouse: for what? | 02:08 |
| wasabi__ | i'd sure like a n800/770 car mount of some sort | 02:08 |
| Milhouse | The WinCE Cowon | 02:08 |
| wasabi__ | or to be able to buy another cover | 02:08 |
| myren | Milhouse: no, thats for the smaller one. | 02:08 |
| tigert | wasabi__: big blob of bluetac might work :) | 02:08 |
| myren | Milhouse: thats the A3, not the Q5. learn to read. | 02:08 |
| Milhouse | oh right | 02:08 |
| Milhouse | maybe i should read the whole thing :) | 02:08 |
| tigert | bluetack even | 02:08 |
| myren | yeah i just look for keywords too | 02:08 |
| wasabi__ | tigert: I wantd to build a mount for the 770 which connected it up to power and stuff | 02:08 |
| wasabi__ | but that project got forgotten about | 02:08 |
| Milhouse | doesn't quote the res for the Q5 | 02:09 |
| tigert | wasabi__: I guess one could mould something around the device? :) | 02:09 |
| myren | like i said, resolution not specified | 02:09 |
| myren | but it looks like it could be a nice machine | 02:09 |
| tigert | and a connector plug | 02:09 |
| myren | i'd like to get a comparison on the cpu's | 02:09 |
| tigert | charger plug even | 02:09 |
| tigert | it would be at least unique :) | 02:09 |
| myren | not that we hae ANY idea what the n800's ARM6 cpu is | 02:09 |
| soothsay | 480x272 | 02:09 |
| myren | NOT 480x272 | 02:09 |
| myren | FOR FUCK SAKE | 02:09 |
| MDK | haha | 02:10 |
| koen | myren: omap or imx31 | 02:10 |
| Milhouse | WinCE is a nightmare to support with different resolutions though, so I'd expect the Cowon Q5 to stick to one of the current resolutions rather than go non-standard | 02:10 |
| myren | koen: on the n800? | 02:10 |
| MDK | turn that res regexp off from your eyes | 02:10 |
| Milhouse | and current WinCE tops out at 640x480 | 02:10 |
| myren | surely its not an omap3? | 02:10 |
| myren | i'll go rob a compusa if thats what it takes to get one | 02:10 |
| c0ffee | more looks like omap2 | 02:11 |
| Milhouse | I'd be surprised if Nokia didn't go with the OMAP2410 | 02:11 |
| * myren nods | 02:11 | |
| Milhouse | anyone got the output from uname? | 02:11 |
| myren | i want some omap3 hardware to play with | 02:12 |
| Milhouse | if the N800 uname -a includes omap, then it's an omap cpu | 02:12 |
| Milhouse | N95? | 02:12 |
| myren | n95 is supposed to be omap3? really? | 02:13 |
| sxpert | Milhouse, IIUC, it's an omap 24xx or something | 02:13 |
| Milhouse | possibly - thought i may have read that somewhere | 02:13 |
| koen | myren: I suspect a 2420 | 02:14 |
| myren | that thing is going to have to be fat as hell, no? | 02:14 |
| Milhouse | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34855 | 02:14 |
| Milhouse | OMAP2 :( | 02:14 |
| myren | i love the inquirer | 02:15 |
| Milhouse | about the same size as the N73/N80 | 02:15 |
| Milhouse | Very few details about the Cowon Q5 on the internet - Nokia could learn a trick or two from Cowon! :) | 02:17 |
| myren | weird, i always parse than name as Crown | 02:18 |
| myren | i look at the word an it just gets re-combob-ulated into Crown | 02:18 |
| soothsay | Dyslexia | 02:19 |
| myren | Disconnect: any way you can post a webcam capture from the N800 onto youtube or what not? | 02:19 |
| myren | i'd really like to see the video capture quality | 02:19 |
| Milhouse | you'd lose so much quality in the flash conversion | 02:20 |
| myren | point | 02:20 |
| soothsay | Just a still would be good | 02:20 |
| myren | its a crying shame no one bothers to make really high sensitivity sensors anymore. the low light condiitons get worse and worse it sseems. | 02:21 |
| myren | the best webcam money can buy hasnt been manufactured in four years | 02:22 |
| gomiam | (on with my quest;-) Does anybody know the name of the process that shows the unlock code window? | 02:22 |
| gomiam | (on the Nokia 770, that is) | 02:23 |
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| Disconnect | Milhouse: can't lose what you don't have | 02:29 |
| Milhouse | true - not good then? | 02:29 |
| chippy_ | John Tokash was king enough to send me a few pics hes just taken. http://www.carrypad.com/gallery/v/n800jt/ | 02:29 |
| chippy_ | He said he'll do some better ones later. | 02:30 |
| gomiam | well, I guess I'll have to live without being able to lock my PDA on poweroff. A pity, really. | 02:30 |
| Milhouse | gomaim - should be an option at least. If it's definately not do-able, why not raise it as an ehancement in the bugzilla? | 02:30 |
| Milhouse | it seems a resonable request | 02:30 |
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| gomiam | actually, it worked when I first started to use the PDA | 02:31 |
| gomiam | but it hasn't since I reflashed it. | 02:31 |
| Milhouse | it's not a PDA! :) | 02:31 |
| gomiam | ok, the palmtop | 02:31 |
| gomiam | whatever :-P | 02:31 |
| Milhouse | internet tablet :) | 02:31 |
| Milhouse | never seen an option to enable it, never had mine request the lock code on boot | 02:32 |
| Milhouse | not sure how you enabled it! | 02:32 |
| gomiam | ah, then I must have done something fishy by mistake :-D | 02:32 |
| Milhouse | did you have OS 2005? | 02:32 |
| gomiam | no, I had the last version of 2006 | 02:33 |
| gomiam | (got the tablet last Thursday) | 02:33 |
| Milhouse | ok - was thinking maybe it was an option in 2005 but disappeared in 2006 | 02:33 |
| Milhouse | lordy the n800 is a bit lardy | 02:33 |
| gomiam | actually, when I reflashed it, the assistant told me I already had the latest version | 02:33 |
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| Milhouse | my pockets will be feeling fuller than usual... | 02:34 |
| gomiam | of course, since it only worked enough to reboot continuously, I went along with the reflash. | 02:34 |
| gomiam | and I haven't got that power-on lock code back since. | 02:34 |
| gomiam | Time to file a bug, I guess. | 02:34 |
| gomiam | do these bugs get filed on the maemo bugzilla service? | 02:35 |
| Milhouse | if nobody can explain it here i think you should raise an enhancement request - if it's already there, you'll be told how to access it and if not it sounds like a useful security enhancement | 02:35 |
| gomiam | ok, creating bugzilla account... | 02:35 |
| gomiam | err.... querying existing bug reports first :-D | 02:36 |
| Milhouse | What's the default lock code? | 02:40 |
| Disconnect | 12345 | 02:40 |
| gomiam | yup, but you won't get asked for it until you change it | 02:41 |
| Milhouse | thanks - thought it was 4 digits | 02:41 |
| gomiam | the tablet requires the code to be at least 5 digits long | 02:41 |
| Milhouse | just tried locking my device and it wanted the lock code before it would lock - never set the lock code but 12345 worked | 02:42 |
| Milhouse | ah hang on | 02:42 |
| Milhouse | in Control Panel -> Device Lock, what have you got? | 02:43 |
| gomiam | checking | 02:43 |
| Milhouse | mine is disabled | 02:43 |
| Milhouse | have you tried setting a timeout - perhaps that auto-enabled the on boot lock? | 02:43 |
| gomiam | That could work | 02:43 |
| gomiam | testing... | 02:43 |
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| gomiam | powering off... | 02:44 |
| gomiam | powering on... and no go. | 02:44 |
| Milhouse | has it got past the hands? | 02:44 |
| gomiam | hey! it's back! | 02:44 |
| Milhouse | aha! :) | 02:45 |
| gomiam | well, it's a start | 02:45 |
| gomiam | now, let's see what happens when I disable it again | 02:45 |
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| Milhouse | i bet you won't be asked for the lock code on boot | 02:45 |
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| gomiam | turning off,, | 02:46 |
| Milhouse | i guess the device assumes a higher level of security once you enable the lock code after 5 minutes (or whatever) of inactivity, and decides you need the lock code on each boot | 02:46 |
| Rotund | someone geek me out on the N800 please | 02:46 |
| Milhouse | ideally, the boot lock code should be a seperate checkbox option | 02:46 |
| Milhouse | umm, it's fab | 02:47 |
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| Milhouse | (me wants one, now) | 02:47 |
| gomiam | yup. I'll ask for that as an enhancement, if this auto-lock feature is required... yes, it is required that the tablet autolocks in order to get a lock code request on bootup | 02:47 |
| gomiam | twisted way of doing it, if you ask me :-) | 02:47 |
| Disconnect | Rotund: we've been doing that all day, you are late | 02:47 |
| Disconnect | :) | 02:47 |
| Milhouse | it would just be a bit more flexible if it could be lock on boot only - i don't want to unlock every time i use it, just when the device is reset | 02:48 |
| Rotund | I've been at work reading thoughtfix's blog | 02:48 |
| * Disconnect has been here, generating content :) | 02:48 | |
| Rotund | Still armel? The current packages work on it? | 02:48 |
| gomiam | btw, has anybody else tried kismet on this tablet? | 02:49 |
| Milhouse | most of them should - OS 2007 seems to be based on Bora | 02:49 |
| Disconnect | yes, not really | 02:49 |
| Milhouse | kismet - yes, it's fine | 02:49 |
| gomiam | it was what originated all this problem, actually. | 02:49 |
| Milhouse | did have some issues with ghost networks but that was fixed a few months back | 02:49 |
| gomiam | it left my wifi card in an unknown state, so it wouldn't reconnect | 02:49 |
| gomiam | and... when I restarted, it got into a boot cycle | 02:49 |
| Milhouse | it does that - reboot | 02:49 |
| Milhouse | btscanner can also stuff up the bluetooth requiring a reboot :( | 02:50 |
| Milhouse | ah, not good - most odd | 02:50 |
| gomiam | nah, I'm afraid it will be a long time until I touch kismet again | 02:50 |
| Milhouse | hehe | 02:50 |
| gomiam | then again, I had installed several apps at the same time | 02:50 |
| gomiam | perhaps it was something else | 02:50 |
| gomiam | oh, now I remember | 02:50 |
| gomiam | I installed bash-m | 02:50 |
| Disconnect | doh | 02:51 |
| gomiam | in order to have a workable shell | 02:51 |
| gomiam | and set it up as the base shell for root and user | 02:51 |
| Milhouse | hmm... | 02:51 |
| gomiam | and now I don't have it set up | 02:51 |
| Milhouse | I reckon Kismet might be in the clear! | 02:51 |
| gomiam | and it doesn't barf | 02:51 |
| gomiam | but it certainly is a PITA having to deal with the busybox shell because trying to install a whole bash will make apt try to uninstall things like "base-system" and the like :-( | 02:52 |
| gomiam | (the GUI installer won't even let me try) | 02:53 |
| Disconnect | the gui is sometimes very wise | 02:54 |
| pokute_ | Hmm. So the mplayer didn't work on 800? Hope it gets fixed soon. | 02:55 |
| pokute_ | Well, the processing power should be enough to run a 800*480 resolution xvid... and THAT's an archievement. | 02:55 |
| Milhouse | WMA may be possible now it's got hardware fp | 02:56 |
| gomiam | milhouse, are you talking about mplayer on the 770? | 02:56 |
| Milhouse | (not that i particularly care about that format...) | 02:56 |
| Milhouse | mplayer on the N800 - the latter has hardware floating point, the WMA codec uses floating point and isn't a realistic option on a device without hardware floating point | 02:58 |
| gomiam | ouch | 02:58 |
| Milhouse | so unless someone ports a WMA codec using integer math you probably won't see WMA support on 770 | 02:58 |
| Milhouse | no big loss though | 02:58 |
| Milhouse | :) | 02:58 |
| Jaffa | Milhouse: By "WMA" you mean "WMV", shurely? OS 2006 supports WMA (i.e. *a*udio) already. | 02:59 |
| gomiam | true. I wouldn't use WMA anyway | 02:59 |
| gomiam | (nor WMV) | 02:59 |
| gomiam | that's what ffmpeg, mencoder and MediaCoder are for :-) | 02:59 |
| Milhouse | Jaffa - maybe, memory is hazy, thought Serge was referring to WMA on ITT a few weeks back | 03:00 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. | 03:00 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, bed time. | 03:00 |
| Milhouse | This was for mplayer - WMA may be supported on the standard video/audio player (using undisclosed DSP ops?) | 03:01 |
| gomiam | btw, does anyone know a way to convert between LDIF and VCard 3.0? | 03:01 |
| gomiam | (without Perl and the like) | 03:01 |
| gomiam | it would be even better if I had a way to know how to use gpesyncd, but that's what the manuals are for :-) | 03:02 |
| Milhouse | my bad - Serge was talking about AAC and AC3 audio being FP intensive. Ignore all of the above... | 03:02 |
| gomiam | AAC and AC3 work on FP? | 03:02 |
| gomiam | argh | 03:02 |
| gomiam | that makes me wonder? | 03:02 |
| Milhouse | Serge: "Also unfortunately MPlayer on Nokia 770 has problems with AAC and AC3 audio (they are either buggy or unusable because of floating point math being too slow). We need to either find and use integer only decoders for them or use DSP based gstreamer decoder for AAC." | 03:03 |
| gomiam | ouch | 03:03 |
| Milhouse | AAC is just another proprietary format so much the same applies as WMA - I wouldn't use it | 03:04 |
| gomiam | erm... another question. Where does the Video clips folder lie? | 03:04 |
| soothsay | AAC isn't any more proprietary than mp3 | 03:04 |
| timdoug | erm, not so much as WMA... "AAC was developed with the cooperation and contributions of companies mainly including Dolby, Fraunhofer (FhG), AT&T, Sony and Nokia, and was officially declared an international standard by the Moving Pictures Experts Group in April 1997." | 03:04 |
| Milhouse | In /home/user/MyDocs/.videos | 03:05 |
| gomiam | oh, found it :-D | 03:05 |
| timdoug | "no licenses or payments are required to be able to stream or distribute content in AAC format" | 03:05 |
| wasabi__ | what about encoding? | 03:06 |
| pokute_ | Oh, by the way, what's the version of flash&opera on 800? | 03:06 |
| gomiam | (checking Discovery.avi codecs...) | 03:06 |
| Milhouse | ok my misunderstanding - I thought it was proprietary. What about decoding - are the specs free? | 03:06 |
| Milhouse | 8.5 | 03:06 |
| Milhouse | opera 8.55 | 03:06 |
| pokute_ | And I think there might be a gstreamer aac support. | 03:06 |
| Milhouse | opera 8.5 | 03:06 |
| timdoug | "However, a patent license is required for all manufacturers or developers of AAC codecs. [4] It is for this reason FOSS encoders and decoders such as FAAC and FAAD [2] are distributed in source form only, in order to avoid patent infringement." | 03:06 |
| gomiam | is there a Flash update for the 770? | 03:06 |
| Milhouse | apprently so | 03:06 |
| ssvb | well, it just easier to develop audio codecs using floating point, fixed point decoders are also possible (but almost nobody cares to develop them as most desktop pc have fpu anyway) | 03:06 |
| Milhouse | not sure what version of flash, but it seems to be playing youtube vids | 03:07 |
| pokute_ | http://duber.com/LetsTalk/playerCheck.html Flash version checker... | 03:07 |
| ssvb | so ffmpeg has some decoders implemented using floating point only | 03:07 |
| Milhouse | i thought ogg used integer decoding? | 03:07 |
| gomiam | mmm... my tablet won't play youtube videos, certainly :-) | 03:07 |
| ssvb | Milhouse: for mp3 and ogg (actually vorbis) both floating point and fixed point decoders are available | 03:08 |
| pokute_ | ssvb: I really hope that 770/800 has a good AAC+ support, the quality/bitrate is incredible. :-) | 03:09 |
| gomiam | argh, Linux 6.0.88.2 | 03:09 |
| Milhouse | gomiam: thats on your 770 though? | 03:09 |
| pokute_ | So ARM Linux flash is still version 6. :-( | 03:10 |
| gomiam | yup | 03:10 |
| pokute_ | Oh, on 770... | 03:10 |
| gomiam | I already knew it didn't play Flash videos | 03:10 |
| Milhouse | i think youtube may require flash 8 which was never released on Linux, so if it now works on the N800 it might be Flash 9 | 03:10 |
| timdoug | "YouTube's video playback technology is based on Macromedia's FlashPlayer 7 and uses the Sorenson Spark H.263 video codec." | 03:11 |
| Milhouse | bollox... time for sleep i'm just talking shite tonight :) | 03:11 |
| timdoug | haha, i don't mean to be pedantic or anything, sorry | 03:11 |
| Milhouse | so the n800 could have flash 7 - that would be pants | 03:11 |
| * pahartik rejects "flash", has removed that library package from Nokia 770 by "dpkg --purge" | 03:11 | |
| gomiam | XD | 03:12 |
| pokute_ | :-D pahartik, there should be some easier way to disable&enable it. :-) | 03:12 |
| gomiam | RMS would be proud | 03:12 |
| Milhouse | We need Disconnect to visit the flash player version check link... | 03:13 |
| gomiam | yet another news tidbit: the Discover.avi video on the 770 is a DIVX+MP3 one. | 03:13 |
| pahartik | pokute_: I got rid of proprietary code I never plan on using... | 03:13 |
| Milhouse | how does your 770 work at all then? ;) | 03:13 |
| Milhouse | ah, i guess you do use the nokia stuff! | 03:13 |
| gomiam | on crutches, Milhouse, on crutches :-P | 03:13 |
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| gomiam | installing maemo-gaim... (crosses fingers) | 03:14 |
| Milhouse | i wonder if the N800 screen has the sparkely/moire effect present on the 770? | 03:14 |
| gomiam | moiré? I can't see that on the 770 | 03:15 |
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| Milhouse | it's particulalry noticeable when the screen is dirty (greasy fingermarks) | 03:15 |
| Milhouse | gives it a sparkely appearance | 03:16 |
| Milhouse | possibly due to the touchscreen overlaying the lcd | 03:16 |
| gomiam | well, I only see the fingermarks, and that's when reflecting a light on the screen :-) | 03:17 |
| pahartik | pokute_: "flash" is not available for me on desktop workstation either... I do not use wintel Linux and my default browser is Lynx anyway... not that I would want it to be available either... :) | 03:17 |
| gomiam | pahartik, even if it is a free software version? | 03:17 |
| arj | i was wondering if anyone has ported gaim 2.0 to n770. I cold only find the old version | 03:17 |
| gomiam | nah, it seems 2.0 isn't ported yet. But I'll check the gaim site, just in case | 03:18 |
| danguy | Is gaim 2 even out yet? | 03:18 |
| gomiam | it's till in 2.0.0beta5 | 03:18 |
| gomiam | but it works quite well on my laptops | 03:19 |
| danguy | Well, I have been using gajim, so I have not been paying much attention. | 03:19 |
| danguy | I recall that beta1 was not so stable... | 03:19 |
| Milhouse | oh wow, apparently there's a blue led around the d-pad which can pulse when new information (email? rss? who knows) is available - very Nintendo Wii... :) | 03:19 |
| gomiam | danguy: 2.0.0beta5 has given me _no_ problems (beta4, instead, barfed on MSN) | 03:20 |
| danguy | Does anyone recommend a specific folding bt keyboard? | 03:21 |
| gomiam | there seems to be no porting effort on gaim 2 yet. | 03:22 |
| gomiam | heh, I'm updating the sources.list file through ssh while installing other apps through the GUI installer. Perhaps I really deserve to get the tablet bricked from time to time >:-) | 03:26 |
| gomiam | well, it's late. I'll go to bed, and perhaps tomorrow I'll have the tablet configured as I want :-) | 03:27 |
| gomiam | thanks for the help, and good night to all. | 03:28 |
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| Milhouse | cya | 03:28 |
| * pahartik would like to get small Bluetooth keyboard, but has not found anything really attractive | 03:29 | |
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| wasabi__ | Milhouse: I found a nokia su-8w | 03:42 |
| wasabi__ | it's kinda sucky, but it's as small as the 770 itself | 03:42 |
| pahartik | wasabi__: if it was HID device... it might be attractive :) | 03:44 |
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| Milhouse | There's the Stowaway Sierra - works fine with the 770 but is a bit on the heavy side once it's closed up (has a metal case/cover) | 03:45 |
| Milhouse | Someone posted about a fabric keyboard, I've heard the laser-based virtual keyboard also works fine with the 770. Depends on what your requirements are - size, weight, portability, usability... | 03:46 |
| Milhouse | http://www.trustedreviews.com/peripherals/review/2005/05/13/i-Tech-Bluetooth-Virtual-Keyboard/p1 | 03:47 |
| wasabi__ | pahartik: It is. | 03:52 |
| wasabi__ | It's a bluetooth keyboard. | 03:52 |
| wasabi__ | Wait, what do you mean by HID? | 03:52 |
| danguy | Human Interface Device | 03:53 |
| wasabi__ | it's a keyboard, of course it is. ;) | 03:53 |
| danguy | HID is one of the bluetooth profiles | 03:54 |
| danguy | I guess that pahartik is saying that it uses a proprietary protocol. | 03:54 |
| Milhouse | The alternative to HID is SPP - Bluetooth Serial Port Profile | 03:55 |
| pahartik | danguy: yes, I have been told that Nokia SU-8W is not Bluetooth HID (profile) device | 03:56 |
| Milhouse | Stowaway Sierra is HID - worked without any problems with the 770 Bluetooth plugin | 03:56 |
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| jaebird | Anybody got an N800 yet? | 04:31 |
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| danguy | pahartik: This story claims that the SU-8W does support Bluetoth HID: http://www.mobileburn.com/story.jsp?Id=1491 | 04:35 |
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| jaebird | Does the N800 have an IR blaster? | 04:39 |
| pahartik | danguy: oh, document at Nokia site says that too ("http://www.nokia.fi/lisalaitteet/su8w/tarkka_tuoteseloste.html")... hmmm... maybe I have misunderstood something | 04:43 |
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| danguy | Regardless, I'll get the Stowaway. | 04:47 |
| Tak | I'm getting the stowaway as well | 04:58 |
| danguy | Does the SD in the N800 support SDIO? | 04:58 |
| danguy | Because an SDG-811 would be awesome. http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdg810.htm | 04:59 |
| danguy | Sure, Linux kernel support is laking, but the project does exist. | 05:00 |
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| jtokash | 800 vs 770 photos: http://images.tokash.org/main.php?g2_itemId=143 | 05:14 |
| nomis | danguy: wouldn't a bluetooth gps mouse be way simpler? | 05:14 |
| Tak | it's like they're making love | 05:15 |
| Tak | very incestuous | 05:17 |
| nomis | pahartik: btw. The Nokia 770 can *only* use HID bluetooth keyboards. | 05:25 |
| pahartik | nomis: as I understand it, HID keyboards need "hidd" of BlueZ, other keyboards need some special application... | 05:42 |
| nomis | pahartik: hidd comes with the 770, you just need to install a small applet to be able to easily activate it. | 05:56 |
| wasabi_ | ... the n770 works witht the nokia su-8w | 05:56 |
| wasabi_ | which, apparently, according to people here, isn't a HID keyboard | 05:56 |
| Tak | it's listed on the bt hid plugin page as a hid kb | 05:57 |
| wasabi_ | so they were wrong. :) | 05:57 |
| * Tak shrugs | 05:57 | |
| nomis | wasabi_: the su-8w is HID. | 05:57 |
| pahartik | nomis: basically to start "hidd --search", I assume | 05:57 |
| nomis | pahartik: probably. | 05:58 |
| jtokash | so I just turned my n800 on for the first time | 06:09 |
| jtokash | I HATE that they put the maximize button in between the two zoom buttons | 06:10 |
| myren | i really hope compusa has some left tomorrow | 06:10 |
| myren | or has any at all | 06:10 |
| timdoug | jtokash: i'm sure you'll be able to remap them somehow | 06:11 |
| Tak | heh, I probably won't be able to justify getting one for a while | 06:11 |
| jtokash | I don't remember seeing anything to remap keys on the 770, but you might be right | 06:11 |
| myren | Tak: got a 770? | 06:12 |
| Tak | yes | 06:12 |
| myren | well then. :) | 06:12 |
| Tak | :-P | 06:13 |
| myren | i've been putting off the 770 explicitly for this model. i thought i had another month or two to wait. | 06:13 |
| Tak | yeah, I remember talking to you about that recently | 06:13 |
| jtokash | bummer, google reader is still crap on the 800 | 06:13 |
| timdoug | jtokash: is the new(er) version of opera any faster or better? | 06:14 |
| jtokash | it does seem faster | 06:15 |
| jtokash | I heard youtube works now | 06:15 |
| Tak | probably the cpu helps | 06:15 |
| jtokash | heading there now to test | 06:15 |
| timdoug | and 2x the RAM | 06:16 |
| jtokash | 3 guesses which video I'm starting with | 06:16 |
| jtokash | lazy sunday | 06:16 |
| jtokash | less than 1 frame per second | 06:16 |
| Tak | killer | 06:17 |
| jtokash | but the audio is pretty good | 06:17 |
| timdoug | does it stay in sync? | 06:17 |
| jtokash | sort of I guess. Hard to tell when the video only updates once per second | 06:18 |
| jtokash | trying a linerider video now | 06:18 |
| jtokash | not much better | 06:18 |
| myren | i wonder what the compression is on flash videos | 06:18 |
| jtokash | maybe 2 fps | 06:18 |
| myren | it seems like xvid has to be somewhat competitive | 06:18 |
| myren | and we know that xvid actually works | 06:19 |
| jtokash | the screen feels much less soft than the 770's | 06:19 |
| Tak | sure, but the xvid codecs are heavily optimized for the dsp | 06:20 |
| jtokash | If we could run the flashplayer stand alone, I wonder if it would be faster | 06:20 |
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| NickDe | so n800 available next week/tuesday? | 06:22 |
| NickDe | I've been reading aroumd at maemo and the usual sites | 06:22 |
| jtokash | I don't see a way to take a picture with the camera | 06:22 |
| jtokash | that's odd | 06:23 |
| jtokash | available now at compusa | 06:23 |
| jtokash | some of us bought them today | 06:23 |
| NickDe | really available or some compusa's have sold them early when they werent supposed to? | 06:23 |
| NickDe | if its really available I'll head down to compusa tomorrow and pick mine up if its instock | 06:23 |
| NickDe | but its not on the compusa website yet..so I cant check stock | 06:23 |
| jtokash | I just went in and asked for it. Their national hotline told me they were available at all stores in my area | 06:24 |
| NickDe | excellent | 06:24 |
| danguy | Too bad there is no CompUSA here in Canada :( | 06:24 |
| jtokash | mmm | 06:24 |
| jtokash | canada | 06:24 |
| NickDe | I'll be at CES next week myself | 06:24 |
| NickDe | hopefully with one of these in tow | 06:24 |
| NickDe | tomorrow I'll check my local compusa | 06:24 |
| NickDe | do you have a compusa SKU for it or anything? | 06:24 |
| NickDe | I'd like to search their website just for the hell of it to see if I can check stock locally | 06:24 |
| jtokash | I did have it | 06:25 |
| jtokash | it was 6 digits | 06:25 |
| jtokash | hmmm | 06:25 |
| jtokash | Let me check my receipt | 06:25 |
| NickDe | cool thanks | 06:25 |
| NickDe | did it come with an OS2007? or just the latest release of maemo? | 06:25 |
| jtokash | 344047, according to the receopt | 06:26 |
| NickDe | thanks | 06:27 |
| NickDe | eh nothing on their website | 06:27 |
| Tak | I'm interested to see how fceu and vba perform | 06:27 |
| jtokash | says bora in the application manager | 06:27 |
| danguy | Ok, so where exactly is the outer SD slot? I cannot locate it in the pictures. | 06:27 |
| NickDe | jtokash: thanks for the info and heads up.. I'll be back here tomorrow hopefully with mine in hand :) | 06:28 |
| jtokash | bottom right edge, danguy | 06:28 |
| jtokash | cool, good luck NickDe | 06:28 |
| NickDe | and then I'll bring it to CES with me and show it off a little :P | 06:28 |
| jtokash | nice | 06:28 |
| NickDe | later | 06:28 |
| jtokash | laptop battery dying. I'll be on later. | 06:29 |
| jtokash | bye | 06:29 |
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| Rotund | anyone notice how many 770s are on ebay right now? | 07:13 |
| Rotund | grrr... I just bought my 770 in December | 07:13 |
| rev | well | 07:28 |
| rev | the 880 is coming out | 07:28 |
| rev | so mayhap that is why | 07:28 |
| rev | what's the problem? i mean, do you want to get rid of yours or something? | 07:29 |
| Tak | 800 is out | 07:29 |
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| jtokash | does anyone want to try running the theme that comes with the 800 on a 770? | 08:46 |
| jtokash | If so and if you know which files I need to copy off, I'd be happy to get them to you. | 08:46 |
| jtokash | haha! When you try to go to the tableteer website from the N800, you get an auth screen. So, they clearly weren't expecting people to have them so soon. | 09:15 |
| jtokash | woah, that's nice! When you have multiple browser windows open, they become a submenu of the open task list | 09:18 |
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| ircleuser | Heya guys... my first time joining | 09:20 |
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| N800User | any of you guys have the new N800? | 09:20 |
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| N800User | hi mlpug... | 09:22 |
| N800User | you got the n800? | 09:22 |
| mlpug | no i dont | 09:22 |
| mlpug | can you donate one for me? | 09:22 |
| N800User | hmm... i can hardly afford one myself. | 09:23 |
| N800User | I am trying to get xterm on the n800... | 09:23 |
| N800User | but it doesnt seem to work for this distro | 09:23 |
| jtokash | I have the n800 | 09:25 |
| jtokash | I haven't tried to put an xterm on it | 09:25 |
| jtokash | Disconnect had it installed earlier | 09:25 |
| jtokash | but I don't know what steps he took | 09:25 |
| N800User | hmm... I wonder if he just used the application manager to install it | 09:26 |
| rabelais | does it have a SIP client, or telepathy-sip? | 09:26 |
| jtokash | I don't know | 09:26 |
| N800User | j tokash: you get it at compusa? | 09:26 |
| jtokash | I think it's just still google tak | 09:26 |
| jtokash | talk | 09:26 |
| jtokash | N800User, yep | 09:26 |
| jtokash | you? | 09:26 |
| N800User | same here | 09:26 |
| jtokash | Is it me or does it seem like the screen is a lot less squishy than the 770? | 09:27 |
| N800User | I bought a 770 about 3 weeks ago from compusa for 350( with a 100 rebate) and did not open it... waiting for the 870 to come out... | 09:27 |
| N800User | today was my last day to return it... and I log into internettablettalk today and everyone was talking about the 800 | 09:28 |
| sxpert | N800User, less squishy ? | 09:28 |
| N800User | I never really got to use the 770 | 09:28 |
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| jtokash | sxpert, when you press down on the 770 screen with your stylus, there is give | 09:28 |
| N800User | oh.. you mean when you press on it with the pen... | 09:28 |
| jtokash | There is no give on the 800 | 09:28 |
| N800User | yes... I think it is more solid.. if that is what you mean. | 09:29 |
| jtokash | yeah | 09:29 |
| sxpert | jtokash, ah, and the screen on the 800 is more stiff ? good, I've always been afraid of pushing too hard and breaking that screen | 09:29 |
| N800User | I still have the plastic cover on my screen | 09:30 |
| jtokash | also, sxpert, you know how the interface is supposed to change on the 770 when you press down with a finger instead of a stylus? | 09:30 |
| jtokash | That NEVER worked for me | 09:30 |
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| jtokash | On the 800, it works right off the bat | 09:30 |
| sxpert | jtokash, your fingers are too thin | 09:30 |
| sxpert | they probably use a different touch screen tech I spose | 09:30 |
| jtokash | could be, but it works on the 800 for whatever reason | 09:30 |
| N800User | Neat, I did not know that. I keep on using the square button the the left side to get the keyboard | 09:31 |
| rabelais | probably because there is less give on the screen | 09:31 |
| jtokash | probably | 09:31 |
| jtokash | I wonder if you can control the blue glow in the dpad with software | 09:33 |
| sxpert | probably depends on the electronics | 09:34 |
| N800User | you guys use the bluetooth keyboard? which brand? stowaway or nokia? | 09:35 |
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| jtokash | I have the stowaway | 09:38 |
| jtokash | haven't used it with the n800 yet | 09:39 |
| jtokash | works great with the 770 | 09:39 |
| jtokash | I don't like that the mini usb port and the external sd port are hidden by the new stand | 09:41 |
| jtokash | http://blog.tokash.org/2007/01/06/more-thoughts-on-my-new-nokia-n800-internet-tablet/ | 09:42 |
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| kakos | So, lots of news about the N800. Does anyone know if the miniUSB connection is powered or still we do need to hack power injectors to get USB host capabilities? | 09:43 |
| jtokash | well | 09:43 |
| jtokash | there is a control panel for keyboard (non bluetooth) | 09:43 |
| keesj | jtokash, is the stand removable? | 09:43 |
| kakos | Oh, hey. Thanks for all the info, John. :) | 09:43 |
| jtokash | it says hardware keyboard | 09:43 |
| kakos | Do you, by chance, have the cables to see if it works? | 09:44 |
| jtokash | under that dialog it lets you choose between nokia su-8w, itech vkb and generic 105 key pc | 09:44 |
| jtokash | kakos, let me think abou that for a second | 09:44 |
| jtokash | hmmm | 09:45 |
| jtokash | I don't think I have a male mini usb to a female large usb | 09:45 |
| kakos | Hmmm | 09:46 |
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| kakos | I guess I'm going to have to go to CompUSA and see if I can get one | 09:47 |
| kakos | Did you have to do anything special to get it? | 09:47 |
| kakos | Bribe them to let you have one early? | 09:47 |
| jtokash | I took the sku | 09:47 |
| kakos | What is the SKU? | 09:47 |
| N800User | where I am at... they have it right next to the 770 in the display cabinet... | 09:47 |
| jtokash | also, I told them that their national availability/pricing hotline said that they had them in stock | 09:47 |
| jtokash | they had to go in the back, but they didn't fight me | 09:48 |
| kakos | Okay | 09:48 |
| jtokash | 344047 | 09:48 |
| kakos | It should be six digits | 09:49 |
| kakos | Oh, that is | 09:49 |
| kakos | Sorry, I read the 7 as a ? | 09:49 |
| kakos | haha | 09:49 |
| jtokash | whew | 09:49 |
| jtokash | I thought I was losing it for a second | 09:49 |
| jtokash | I was like: But that is 6 digits. .... erm, isn't it? | 09:50 |
| kakos | So, here's the important question | 09:50 |
| jtokash | I don't think cpu is 2x as fast | 09:50 |
| kakos | Do you think it's worth buying? | 09:50 |
| jtokash | I think it's much less of a jump than that | 09:50 |
| kakos | Well, they are called BOGUS MIPS for a reason | 09:50 |
| jtokash | some of the things that take long on the 770 still take long on the 800 | 09:51 |
| kakos | Oh, another question | 09:51 |
| jtokash | For me, the improvements that matter are: | 09:51 |
| kakos | Does the email application still blow chunks? | 09:51 |
| jtokash | 1. the stand is really nice | 09:51 |
| jtokash | 2. Flash compatability has improved (although that will be backported, I'm sure) | 09:51 |
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| jtokash | 3. the 2 SD slots are really nice to have | 09:52 |
| qgil | morning | 09:52 |
| jtokash | 4. (I'm starting to stretch here) the sound is much better | 09:52 |
| Rotund | I just want a contacts program that lets me put in phone numbers! | 09:52 |
| jtokash | 5. Any speed and memory improvements are welcome | 09:52 |
| qgil | hi jtokash & co, did you go to sleep or have you been playing around the whole time? :) | 09:52 |
| jtokash | It's only approaching midnight here, so I've been up throughout | 09:53 |
| qgil | ah well | 09:53 |
| qgil | ç | 09:53 |
| kakos | If you could test the email app, that would be awesome | 09:53 |
| jtokash | Rotund, kakos, I don't use the email app | 09:53 |
| kakos | I hope they've at least done /something/ with it | 09:53 |
| N800User | I wish they had java... hopefully it is only a matter of time | 09:54 |
| Rotund | you like the new stylus better? | 09:55 |
| jtokash | Rotund, definitely | 09:56 |
| jtokash | heavier | 09:56 |
| klaatu | so when is someone going to take a N800 apart and shoot some hardware porn... | 09:56 |
| kakos | It's idiotic that the 770 doesn't have java support for that matter | 09:57 |
| kakos | The processor they have in there has a Jazelle unit which supposedly can execute bytecode natively rather than having to use a virtual engine | 09:57 |
| Rotund | really? that's cool | 09:58 |
| Rotund | I'd prefer them implement python support that way though | 09:58 |
| jtokash | kakos, you want to take control of my n800 to see if email has changed? | 09:58 |
| jtokash | I installed vnc | 09:58 |
| Rotund | I just personally avoid java | 09:58 |
| jtokash | I'll make the router change, one sec | 09:58 |
| kakos | BTW, do all the applications still work fine? | 09:59 |
| Rotund | any news on when/if the OS upgrade will hit the 770? | 09:59 |
| jtokash | I've only installed x11vnc and iphome | 09:59 |
| kakos | I'm not sure how much I can see without setting up an account, which I don't want to do on another person's device. ;) | 09:59 |
| jtokash | Rotund, not that I've heard | 09:59 |
| kakos | But I'd like to give it a little test run, if you don't mind | 09:59 |
| jtokash | It's bora, though, which they've said is coming to the 770 | 09:59 |
| jtokash | sure, let's do that in pm | 10:00 |
| kakos | Rotund, I'm guessing it'll be officially released when they officially release the N800 | 10:00 |
| Rotund | okay. that's good (is that sardine?) | 10:00 |
| N800User | I am trying to get xterm installed. It is failing for me, but it seems Disconnect got it running. | 10:00 |
| Rotund | herring I mean | 10:00 |
| kakos | It is not sardine or herring, I don't believe | 10:00 |
| Rotund | herring is bora +1 then? | 10:00 |
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| jtokash | yes, herring is beyond bora | 10:01 |
| jtokash | sardine is the stable herring | 10:01 |
| jtokash | or vice versa | 10:01 |
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| Rotund | vice versa | 10:01 |
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| Rotund | herring = more stable | 10:01 |
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| kakos | How's the lack of a hard case? | 10:03 |
| kakos | Oh, and does Canola work on it? | 10:03 |
| qgil | Rotund: The current stable release of Maemo is 2.1, codename Scirocco. The upcoming major release of Maemo will be 3.0, codename Bora. | 10:04 |
| qgil | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoReleasesRepositoriesDistros | 10:04 |
| desrt | y'all have bad codenames :) | 10:05 |
| Rotund | qgil: are you Quim? | 10:05 |
| qgil | yes, that's my codename :) | 10:05 |
| desrt | horrible codename! | 10:05 |
| Rotund | love your blog. usually very interesting | 10:05 |
| desrt | qgil; i've asked a question in here a few times when you're not around and get no answer... maybe you know | 10:06 |
| desrt | how do i make an icon appear on the task switcher? | 10:06 |
| qgil | I believe Maemo's codenames make more sense for people leaving by the (Mediterranean) sea | 10:06 |
| qgil | (well, no scirocco in the Med) | 10:06 |
| qgil | Rotund: thanks! so it's you the reader my logs detect! | 10:07 |
| * desrt chuckles | 10:07 | |
| Rotund | usually just on planet gnome | 10:07 |
| desrt | qgil; you don't get logs for your readers | 10:07 |
| desrt | qgil; for exactly that reason :) | 10:08 |
| Rotund | anyone going to be at PyCon? | 10:08 |
| qgil | well yes, from time to time I post a picture that just shows up as a thumbnail in the Planets and then I get a better idea about how many people read the concatenated words I happen to write | 10:09 |
| qgil | desrt: I'm not the best person to answer developers' questions - have you tried in the mailing list? | 10:09 |
| qgil | desrt: does http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-February/002857.html help you? | 10:14 |
| desrt | no. i don't think so. and this is why: | 10:16 |
| Rotund | any big changes in Bora? it won't be as big as 2.0 was (at least from the programming standpoint), right? | 10:16 |
| desrt | i thought it might have something to do with my complete lack of .desktop file, but i tried launching another app manually (not using its .desktop) and it still got its icon | 10:17 |
| desrt | it's quite odd | 10:17 |
| qgil | desrt: then you need someone more clever than me | 10:17 |
| desrt | i see how it is. | 10:18 |
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| kakos | Contacts application can now accept phone numbers | 10:25 |
| Rotund | nice | 10:25 |
| Rotund | is Contacts the Opened Hand Contacts? | 10:25 |
| Rotund | vorbis support in there by default yet? | 10:26 |
| qgil | Rotund: about changes in Bora --> http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApiChangesSciroccoBoraHerring | 10:26 |
| kakos | It's the same ol' contacts | 10:26 |
| Rotund | just saw that Quim | 10:27 |
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| Rotund | kakos how's the mail app? | 10:32 |
| kakos | Haven't played with it too much | 10:32 |
| kakos | I don't have a throw away POP or IMAP account I want to use on John's N800. | 10:32 |
| kakos | I'm sure you're a great guy, John, but I don't know you too well to temporarily put my business account on there | 10:33 |
| jtokash | understandable | 10:33 |
| jtokash | I have a gmail account I can set to pop and put on there. | 10:33 |
| jtokash | one sec | 10:33 |
| Rotund | I want some tinymail love =) | 10:34 |
| kakos | Hmm | 10:37 |
| kakos | I wonder how the other guy managed to get xterm running | 10:37 |
| * qgil comes back from some web browsing | 10:40 | |
| qgil | apparently the #maemo IRC channel has got a good promotion | 10:41 |
| kakos | John, I know how you can get XTerm working | 10:41 |
| N800User | how do you get xterm working? | 10:42 |
| qgil | I'm sure tko has some ideas in mind to promote this space in a clever way - and I'm sure you too | 10:42 |
| N800User | I have been trying to get it to work for the past day | 10:43 |
| kakos | Add this repository: | 10:43 |
| kakos | URI: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt | 10:43 |
| kakos | Distro: bora | 10:43 |
| kakos | Component: main | 10:43 |
| N800User | did you just add that to maemo-hackers? | 10:44 |
| kakos | I didn't | 10:45 |
| kakos | I was looking through their repository and they add a bora section already set up | 10:45 |
| kakos | Damn | 10:45 |
| kakos | Doesn't work | 10:45 |
| kakos | :( | 10:45 |
| N800User | jtokash said that Disconnect had got it working | 10:46 |
| kakos | Yeah | 10:46 |
| kakos | He obviously had it working since he got all the info from the proc file system | 10:46 |
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| kakos | Ooo | 10:47 |
| kakos | Sexy | 10:47 |
| kakos | You can close applications from the list that pops up when you click on the >> in the task part of the side bar. | 10:47 |
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| kakos | Well, it looks like they did indeed make changes to the Email app | 10:52 |
| kakos | Not sure the extend to which they improved/fixed it | 10:52 |
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| kakos | Soo... | 11:12 |
| kakos | For the brave: http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770.php?f=SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.47-20_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 11:13 |
| kakos | That would be the downlaod for bora for the Nokia 770 | 11:13 |
| kakos | Or... theoretically, that is what that is | 11:13 |
| tko | qgil, I'm thinking we should finish the website reorg first, IIRC getting in contact was better organized there and we could get #maemo more visible | 11:14 |
| tko | I also just had a thought to include the current topic and number of users somewhere close by :) | 11:15 |
| jtokash | I don't know if the load applet still looks at the right info, etc. | 11:15 |
| jtokash | BUT | 11:15 |
| qgil | tko 1. yes! 2. cool! | 11:15 |
| tko | and URL catcher maybe | 11:15 |
| jtokash | while x11vnc is running, the load is empty for the load applet | 11:15 |
| kakos | Oh, damn | 11:15 |
| kakos | That URl doesn't work after all | 11:16 |
| jtokash | that would indicate that cpu is much beefier | 11:16 |
| jtokash | even though it doesn't seem like it to me | 11:16 |
| kakos | It just gives you a file which says it wasn't found | 11:16 |
| inz | N800, the bora in maemo-hackers is built against herring, so it might be too new or something, I'll have to wait for the maemo bora launch to make proper versions... | 11:17 |
| inz | Oops, left already | 11:17 |
| qgil | tko: who is in control of this channel (i.e. who decides and can change the topic) | 11:17 |
| inz | whatever =) | 11:17 |
| inz | 11:17 oOo Topic set by Toni [] [Mon Aug 28 21:21:33 2006] | 11:17 |
| jtokash | someone asked me earlier if the stand could be removed | 11:18 |
| jtokash | seems like it... the stand is held in place by star screws | 11:18 |
| tko | qgil, toni created this, I should have chanserv permissions if I can remember the password.. | 11:19 |
| qgil | right, just curious | 11:19 |
| qgil | the topic was intriguing me since the first day I joined ;) | 11:19 |
| tko | I wouldn't object having the topic settable by all | 11:20 |
| qgil | nor me | 11:20 |
| qgil | anyway, as you say not that relevant compared to website reorg | 11:21 |
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| tko | oh bugger, chanserv recognizes me with different hostmask - one which I can't access anymore :-( | 11:26 |
| tigert | http://globetheblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/apple-and-google-to-blog-globe.html | 11:28 |
| suihkulokki | it would seem c0ffee is the most awake one of those with access to #maemo on chanserv | 11:28 |
| tigert | lilo might have been able to help too but.. :( | 11:30 |
| tko | yeap | 11:30 |
| c0ffee | i'm awake | 11:30 |
| tigert | caffeine never sleeps! | 11:30 |
| c0ffee | what should i do? | 11:31 |
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| c0ffee | tata! | 11:32 |
| tko | c0ffee, setting the channel mode to +n would be nice | 11:32 |
| c0ffee | it is +n | 11:33 |
| c0ffee | #maemo(+nt) | 11:33 |
| tko | ok, -t then | 11:33 |
| tigert | -t I guess | 11:33 |
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| tko | c0ffee, you might want to do that on chanserv or it'll restore +t some day | 11:34 |
| tko | not sure, though | 11:34 |
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| tigert | it works! | 11:34 |
| qgil | cool | 11:35 |
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| inz | no-oooooo | 11:35 |
| inz | This was the last place I expected to run into Cola-Olli | 11:35 |
| tko | thank tigert | 11:36 |
| c0ffee | tko, i think chanserv only does this if mode-lock is on | 11:36 |
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| qgil | this was "May I have another cup of tea, please?" in Suomi, isn't it? | 11:36 |
| tigert | inz: :) just change the topic | 11:37 |
| tko | c0ffee, could be. it's been years since I've had any contact with chanserv before | 11:37 |
| tigert | it was just a test to see if it works | 11:37 |
| tigert | qgil: no | 11:37 |
| qgil | i know i know | 11:37 |
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| inz | tigert, I'll refrain from doing it, and just keep my term window appropriately below the top panel... | 11:37 |
| qgil | no need to post again those bizarre northern european videos ;) | 11:37 |
| tigert | :) | 11:38 |
| suihkulokki | howabout some japanese videos then? | 11:38 |
| roope | http://tvinjapan.com/ :) | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:39 |
| tigert | roope: check the url I posted a bit earlier | 11:40 |
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| *** qgil changes topic to "Maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet | Good questions deserve better answers | Chill conversation for tableteers is welcome as well | http://maemo.org" | 11:42 | |
| qgil | who's next | 11:42 |
| tko | hmm, 500..700 hits for n800 in technorati and google blogsearch and it hasn't even been announced | 11:43 |
| inz | I'd say that topic is a tad too long | 11:43 |
| kakos | So, in the bin files for the 770 updates, anyone have any idea what the "PR", "F5", and "MR0" mean? | 11:44 |
| qgil | tko: I bet those hits refer to http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=srch1&Ntt=n800&N=0&Dx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&D=n800&Ntk=All&product_code=50257082 | 11:44 |
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| tko | qgil, umm, no, batteries are not that interesting :) | 11:46 |
| tko | and the title is often 'Nokia N800 specs' .. can't be bothered figuring out what's the original | 11:46 |
| tko | unboxing is popular as well :) | 11:47 |
| qgil | someone wrote somewhere that it was amazing that no video had appeared yet - indeed | 11:47 |
| siti | someone should get 2 n800s and then record one of them using the webcam ;) | 11:48 |
| qgil | or a mkirror if you are into low-tech | 11:49 |
| jtokash | what's stupid is that there is no video or photo recording solution for the 800 | 11:49 |
| siti | hrh | 11:49 |
| jtokash | only video conf | 11:49 |
| siti | hehe* | 11:49 |
| siti | ok :( | 11:49 |
| jtokash | I'll give you a video right now | 11:49 |
| jtokash | what do you want to see? | 11:49 |
| qgil | I'm curious about your garden | 11:50 |
| jtokash | Well it's mostly weeds | 11:50 |
| qgil | that's why! :) | 11:50 |
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| siti | hah | 11:50 |
| jtokash | not THAT kind of weeds.... | 11:50 |
| jtokash | OK, I'll make a video | 11:50 |
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| jtokash | Hi disconnect | 11:51 |
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| jtokash | See what you started? | 11:51 |
| qgil | jtokash: don't get me wrong, I was talking about http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Weedflower.JPG | 11:51 |
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| kakos | Hey, Disconnect | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | jtokash: hopefully there'll be enough of an API (perhaps even gstreamer) to allow recording s/w to be written as OSS | 11:53 |
| kakos | How'd you get xterm running on your N800? | 11:53 |
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| keesj | perhaps just installing ssh is essayer? | 12:04 |
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| jtokash | I'm making a video. Any requests? | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | Boot up, loading Opera, going to YouTube. | 12:12 |
| jtokash | will do | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | Boot up, open applications menu, poke about; open control panel, poke about. | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | That kind of thing are what people are going to want to see. | 12:12 |
| kakos | Well, bed time | 12:13 |
| kakos | Night everyone | 12:13 |
| inz | 't | 12:13 |
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| Jaffa | Aleksandyr: you retiring your 770? | 12:15 |
| pahartik | has someone succeeded on playing audio with "gst-launch" on Nokia 770? what kind of pipeline is needed? | 12:16 |
| Aleksandyr | Jaffa, wow, news travels fast | 12:17 |
| Aleksandyr | Jaffa, but yes | 12:17 |
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| inz | oo, bold comma, haven't seen that for a while =) | 12:19 |
| Aleksandyr | awww, what did I miss when I went from broken to non-broken client | 12:19 |
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| jtokash | editing video now | 12:25 |
| jtokash | Microsoft Movie Maker | 12:25 |
| kakos | John, can you open files in the /etc tree? | 12:26 |
| saispo | maemo livecd for mistral exist or not ? | 12:28 |
| Jaffa | Aleksandyr: just saw your post on the ITT forums. Did you ever find the scripts you used to package classpath etc, btw? | 12:28 |
| Aleksandyr | Jaffa: Hmm, nothing really complicated went in there: I don't believe I modified classpath at all | 12:29 |
| Aleksandyr | Jaffa: or JamVM, or Jikes --- it was kind of tricky getting Scratchbox to use the host Jikes to do the compiles. | 12:30 |
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| * Jaffa just can't be arsed faffing about with Debian build scripts if someone's already done the work ;-) | 12:30 | |
| * Jaffa fancied trying to patch classpath to auto-Hildonise apps. | 12:30 | |
| Aleksandyr | pffft, learn to stop worrying and love the dhmake | 12:30 |
| Aleksandyr | ...I do believe I've forgotten the name of the program. | 12:31 |
| Aleksandyr | I will crack open my reiser partition and find that for you while I'm messing about tonight. | 12:31 |
| Aleksandyr | (err, this morning.) | 12:31 |
| Aleksandyr | I do like the auto-hildonization concept. Opens a giant can of HCI worms, of course | 12:34 |
| Aleksandyr | Located. I honestly can't remember the package make command, but it's all there | 12:38 |
| Aleksandyr | once the copy finishes, where would you like it? | 12:38 |
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| Jaffa | Aleksandyr: please, andrew@bleb.org - TIA | 12:52 |
| jtokash | sorry, video is crap | 12:53 |
| jtokash | I'll try again tomorrow | 12:53 |
| Aleksandyr | Jaffa: np, otw | 12:53 |
| Aleksandyr | of course, feel free to ping me if you have trouble. | 12:53 |
| Aleksandyr | that partition's nonbootable atm so I can't check it =/ | 12:54 |
| Aleksandyr | oh, and, erm, it's 25 MB. Forgot that part. | 12:57 |
| Aleksandyr | did I say 25? Closer to 100. | 12:57 |
| * koen raiser with 200 | 12:59 | |
| koen | raises* | 12:59 |
| Aleksandyr | I have 200 | 13:00 |
| Aleksandyr | do I hear 250? | 13:00 |
| Jaffa | Aleksandyr: np, although I may end up asking you to anon ftp it to ftp://badger.bleb.org/upload/ ;-) | 13:00 |
| * Aleksandyr is on 64kbit/sec upload. This may take awhile :D | 13:01 | |
| Jaffa | Indeed :) | 13:01 |
| Aleksandyr | zipped, it's a "mere" 51MB. Wish I had done a make clean ;) | 13:01 |
| Aleksandyr | and now for a silly question. How do I figure out how much memory a process is using? | 13:03 |
| Aleksandyr | ps appears to be ignoring me =/ | 13:03 |
| koen | exmap | 13:04 |
| Jaffa | It's a difficult question to answer | 13:04 |
| * koen hand people http://projects.o-hand.com/exmap-console | 13:04 | |
| Aleksandyr | oooh. | 13:04 |
| Aleksandyr | nifty. | 13:04 |
| koen | it does require a kernel module | 13:05 |
| Aleksandyr | testing a silly theory tonight, and that theory is named mplayerd. | 13:05 |
| koen | blame linus for that :) | 13:05 |
| * Aleksandyr no longer fears shooting unknown code into his kernel. | 13:05 | |
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| Aleksandyr | mplayer[1449]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Entered wait_buffer in error | does that mean something to anyone atm? | 13:10 |
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| c0ffee | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9981902594.html | 13:34 |
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| konttori | Hmm.. anyone tested video player of 800? | 13:57 |
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| konttori_ | Anyone know N800 video playback capabilities? | 14:00 |
| konttori_ | tigert: Are you around? | 14:11 |
| sxpert | konttori_, obviously much better than the 770... | 14:11 |
| konttori_ | Well, it should at least be | 14:12 |
| tigert | yes | 14:12 |
| konttori_ | Oh, cool. | 14:12 |
| konttori_ | Is N800 open discussion now? | 14:12 |
| sxpert | it should have enough oomf to play theora | 14:12 |
| tigert | nothing has been announced officially | 14:12 |
| konttori_ | sexpert: nice. I'm looking forward to mplayer stuff ont hat beast | 14:13 |
| koen | but you can buy it at compuse :) | 14:13 |
| konttori_ | tigert: I figured as much | 14:13 |
| tigert | koen: sure | 14:13 |
| konttori_ | tigert: but you probably can't talk about it | 14:13 |
| tigert | koen: but I dont want to test how smart corporate managers are | 14:13 |
| konttori_ | Like Is the OS a new one / will it be released to 770 and stuff like that | 14:13 |
| tigert | nope, I am sure answers will come | 14:14 |
| sxpert | koen, yeah, you can get it at compusa, and it's not even on nokia's website anywhere :D | 14:14 |
| tigert | I am happy to see excitement of course, but no official comments happen at this time I would guess | 14:15 |
| koen | nokia.com/n800 links to the n80 :) | 14:15 |
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| konttori_ | I guess CES announcement will be in a couple of days. | 14:16 |
| jtokash | sorry for the poor quality: http://blog.tokash.org/2007/01/07/nokia-n800-video-the-first-of-many/ | 14:18 |
| jtokash | the original, fyi, hasn't finished uploading, so don't try to download it for at least 10 more minutes | 14:18 |
| jtokash | goodnight! | 14:18 |
| * koen wonders how maemo-mappers runs on a n800 | 14:24 | |
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| sxpert | koen, and my yet to be written maemo surveyor :D | 14:29 |
| c0ffee | i wonder whether there will be some developer discount | 14:32 |
| c0ffee | or some upgrade options | 14:32 |
| sxpert | c0ffee, haha | 14:33 |
| jtokash | fyi, original video is up now in case you prefer it to youtube | 14:33 |
| jtokash | goodnight for real | 14:33 |
| koen | c0ffee: me too | 14:33 |
| sxpert | the one think I don't like is the aluminium paint finish... this will go away as usual with finger friction and heavy use | 14:34 |
| sxpert | jtokash, too bad you compressed that to wmv from hell | 14:35 |
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| gallium | nice to see the n800 out | 14:55 |
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| inz | gallim, depends who you ask | 15:13 |
| gallium | inz, not sure i understand | 15:17 |
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| inz | gallium, if you ask nokia, it's not out | 15:17 |
| inz | gallium, also, if you ask nokia, it's not nice that it's "out" | 15:18 |
| inz | At least I'd guess so | 15:18 |
| gallium | ah, well maybe i should re-phrase. nice to see it exists.:) | 15:18 |
| bergie | so, nice leak from compusa? | 15:19 |
| gallium | if you can buy one than its hardly a leak, unless they released it to consumers too early. | 15:23 |
| inz | AFAIK that is what happened | 15:24 |
| inz | I'd guess Nokia would say that don't sell these until they're officially released. | 15:25 |
| inz | I may very well be wrong, but still that's what I'd guess. | 15:25 |
| c0ffee | yeah | 15:25 |
| c0ffee | they have to distribute the stuff before they officially release it | 15:25 |
| keesj | it it all part of the buzz. and nokia is behind it all | 15:26 |
| keesj | (if you ask me) | 15:26 |
| gallium | keesj, you're probably right :) | 15:27 |
| pokute_ | Hah. Figures that Nokia is pretty bad at having a product available at the same time as it's announced. | 15:30 |
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| gallium | personally i'm a big fan of the 770. its been invaluable to me. | 15:31 |
| qos | hey guys ... | 15:32 |
| gallium | i may have to wait to get its bit brother | 15:32 |
| gallium | hi qos | 15:32 |
| gallium | s/bit/big/ | 15:32 |
| qos | are there currently some guys already having the new n800? | 15:32 |
| qos | :) | 15:32 |
| ferulo | it looks like :) | 15:32 |
| gallium | i'm sure there are. :) | 15:32 |
| qos | could not sleep last night because of the news of it :) | 15:33 |
| qos | so, my head is a bit damaged ... | 15:33 |
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| gallium | last i heard it was going to be announced on monday, the same day as macworld. what's next, os-x on n800? ;0 | 15:38 |
| keesj | qos, Are you talking about the Norcold's 6- and 8-foot series RV refrigerators :) | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | koen/c0ffee: indeed, can't see me upgrading unless there is; but if the OS 2007 is released for the 770, I don't see why Nokia would. | 15:38 |
| qos | keesj, :) no ... | 15:39 |
| c0ffee | i'd rather buy a gps receiver for the 770 | 15:39 |
| c0ffee | instead of spendium 400 bugs on a little hardware upgrade | 15:40 |
| gallium | built-in gps like n95 would be great. | 15:40 |
| c0ffee | there's an gps add-on available for the 770 | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | It looks nice and the improved CPU/RAM are, of course, lovely, but... | 15:40 |
| gallium | oh, and vga out ;) | 15:40 |
| c0ffee | comes with a navi program | 15:40 |
| qos | i think i must buy both, nokia 800 and the gps reciever... | 15:41 |
| koen | Jaffa: indeed, it seems to have roughly the same features as the 770 | 15:41 |
| qos | koen, but with another dimension of speed and memory. | 15:42 |
| c0ffee | double isn't yet a dimensino | 15:42 |
| c0ffee | dimension | 15:43 |
| c0ffee | also, we don't know about battery runtime yet | 15:43 |
| qos | we will see ... sounds not bad | 15:43 |
| * pahartik has decided to wait for GALILEO devices | 15:44 | |
| qos | battery runtime is less important with a replacement battery :) | 15:44 |
| qos | pahr | 15:44 |
| gallium | .. until the battery cover falls off from wear | 15:44 |
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| kender | hi | 15:46 |
| gallium | hello | 15:46 |
| kender | hey gallium | 15:46 |
| aladds | does anyone know if it's possible to buy a N800 in Europe yet? | 15:47 |
| aladds | *an N800 | 15:47 |
| qos | interesting question ... | 15:47 |
| kender | a N800 is correct I think | 15:47 |
| aladds | an sounds better to me :P | 15:47 |
| glass_ | a | 15:47 |
| kender | :) | 15:48 |
| aladds | :) | 15:48 |
| kender | in Europe... | 15:48 |
| c0ffee | i wonder whether CompUSA will be sued by nokia | 15:48 |
| aladds | recon they released it too early then? | 15:48 |
| glass_ | probably not | 15:48 |
| kender | any shop in Europe, like CompUSA in EEUU? | 15:49 |
| c0ffee | you mean with stupid enough employees? | 15:49 |
| aladds | not really, and you can only get the 770 from nokia europe | 15:49 |
| kender | c0ffee, XDD | 15:49 |
| aladds | mail order :S | 15:49 |
| aladds | maybe i'll just wait a while | 15:50 |
| aladds | it doesnt look like it has a case with it yet... | 15:50 |
| qos | aladds, you are wrong! u can get the nokia 770 from vodaphone shops in my local town ... | 15:50 |
| aladds | :O | 15:50 |
| aladds | i didn't know that! | 15:50 |
| c0ffee | i needed a replacement power supply for my 770 once | 15:51 |
| aladds | aren't they just standard nokia ones? | 15:51 |
| c0ffee | when i went there to get it, i didn't even have to show some id card or anything | 15:51 |
| c0ffee | it was enough to say 'i want to fetch the unit for the 770' | 15:51 |
| glass_ | i'd need couple of new style chargers replaced | 15:51 |
| qos | aladds, i was wondering about that too ... and the guys in the shop weren't very clever. they didn't know much about it ... | 15:51 |
| kender | mm.. | 15:52 |
| c0ffee | and the were like 'oh, it's you. the guy with the non-existant nokia gear.' | 15:52 |
| glass_ | the new style nokia(small plug) break really easily | 15:52 |
| kender | I think that they are the same for phones and the n770 | 15:52 |
| glass_ | yeah it's the same | 15:52 |
| aladds | ah | 15:52 |
| aladds | do they charge over usb? | 15:52 |
| glass_ | and with the converter cable thing you can use older chargers | 15:52 |
| glass_ | no | 15:52 |
| aladds | damn | 15:52 |
| kender | hehe | 15:52 |
| glass_ | dunno about n800 obviously | 15:52 |
| aladds | yeah | 15:52 |
| glass_ | but so far nokia's been no-no on usb charging(dunno about the very very latest devices) | 15:53 |
| aladds | ah | 15:53 |
| aladds | they should do what motorolla did | 15:54 |
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| aladds | make it charge slowly normally, but if the "special charger" is attached, which ties the data pins low or somesuch and provides a larger current, charge quickly | 15:54 |
| kender | the battery of the n800, is the same of the 770? | 15:55 |
| aladds | dunno, there's a picture on the flikr thing i think, but it's in a packet so might not be so visible | 15:55 |
| aladds | http://www.flickr.com/photos/5th_avenue/347105485/in/set-72157594461870146/ | 15:56 |
| aladds | yeah in that one | 15:56 |
| kender | there is a video | 15:56 |
| aladds | oo | 15:56 |
| kender | and, more photos | 15:56 |
| aladds | cool | 15:56 |
| aladds | does it look faster than the 770 | 15:56 |
| aladds | ? | 15:56 |
| kender | mm.. | 15:56 |
| kender | I haven't got the 770 | 15:57 |
| kender | I can't say nothing | 15:57 |
| kender | :S | 15:57 |
| kender | It look nice | 15:57 |
| kender | but.. | 15:57 |
| aladds | me neither, i was waiting for the second gen model :P | 15:57 |
| kender | http://images.tokash.org/main.php?g2_itemId=143 | 15:57 |
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| glass_ | some info on cpu would be nice | 15:57 |
| kender | http://blog.tokash.org/ | 15:57 |
| kender | glass_, there is...some | 15:57 |
| kender | the flags | 15:57 |
| kender | the bogomips | 15:57 |
| kender | and... Mhz | 15:58 |
| aladds | oo | 15:58 |
| glass_ | ooh table stand | 15:58 |
| glass_ | twice the bogos | 15:58 |
| kender | http://www.carrypad.com/product/product.php?id=56 | 15:58 |
| kender | yes | 15:58 |
| kender | the RAM too | 15:59 |
| aladds | oo it does come with a case :-) | 15:59 |
| kender | with a case? | 15:59 |
| aladds | well it has one in the picture | 15:59 |
| aladds | video even | 16:00 |
| aladds | :p | 16:00 |
| kender | oh | 16:00 |
| kender | that's not a "case" | 16:00 |
| kender | ^^ | 16:00 |
| aladds | it's a form of covering :p | 16:00 |
| kender | hehehe | 16:00 |
| kender | that yes | 16:00 |
| kender | aladds, where are you from? | 16:01 |
| aladds | uk | 16:01 |
| aladds | you? | 16:01 |
| kender | spain | 16:01 |
| kender | but...you english... | 16:01 |
| aladds | :P | 16:01 |
| kender | uk? | 16:01 |
| * aladds is insane :-) | 16:01 | |
| kender | really? | 16:01 |
| kender | hehe | 16:01 |
| aladds | united kingdom :P | 16:01 |
| kender | yes yes | 16:01 |
| kender | I know that | 16:01 |
| kender | xDD | 16:01 |
| aladds | not certified, yet... | 16:01 |
| aladds | certefied (?) | 16:02 |
| aladds | no that looks worse | 16:02 |
| aladds | :P | 16:02 |
| kender | mm.... | 16:02 |
| kender | I'm looking for "case" | 16:02 |
| kender | in the diccitionary | 16:02 |
| aladds | case? | 16:02 |
| aladds | as in carry case | 16:02 |
| kender | yes | 16:02 |
| kender | yes | 16:02 |
| kender | hehehe | 16:03 |
| aladds | why is it so funny? | 16:03 |
| kender | I didn't know that meaning | 16:03 |
| aladds | ah | 16:03 |
| aladds | interesting | 16:03 |
| aladds | yeah, english can be strange | 16:03 |
| kender | very strange! | 16:03 |
| kender | hehehe | 16:03 |
| kender | I'm learning...and...some times | 16:04 |
| kender | god.. | 16:04 |
| kender | phrasal verbs | 16:04 |
| aladds | :P | 16:04 |
| kender | and.. | 16:04 |
| kender | hehe | 16:04 |
| kender | idioms | 16:04 |
| aladds | yeah :P | 16:04 |
| kender | acronims | 16:04 |
| aladds | :D | 16:04 |
| kender | spanish is better | 16:04 |
| kender | hehehe | 16:04 |
| aladds | lol | 16:04 |
| kender | :P | 16:04 |
| aladds | but then again, everyone says that about their native tongue | 16:05 |
| kender | I'm kidding you | 16:05 |
| kender | aladds, yes | 16:05 |
| kender | It's natural | 16:05 |
| kender | but, spanish, for example, the verbs are difficult too | 16:05 |
| aladds | ah | 16:06 |
| aladds | how so? | 16:06 |
| kender | more difficult than in english | 16:06 |
| kender | because | 16:06 |
| kender | in english | 16:07 |
| kender | only with a word and the verb | 16:07 |
| kender | you can...put the time that you want | 16:08 |
| kender | in spanish, you must "transform" the verb | 16:08 |
| aladds | yeah | 16:08 |
| kender | sorry my bad explanation! | 16:08 |
| kender | xD | 16:08 |
| aladds | with a different ending you mean? | 16:08 |
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| aladds | i understand you | 16:08 |
| kender | yes | 16:08 |
| kender | hehe | 16:08 |
| aladds | yeah | 16:08 |
| aladds | reminds me of french a bit (no offence intended) | 16:09 |
| aladds | i did GCSE french :S | 16:09 |
| kender | well, they came from latin | 16:09 |
| kender | two of them | 16:09 |
| kender | so, they are similar | 16:09 |
| aladds | yeah | 16:09 |
| aladds | OMG bluetooth keyboards work out of the box with the N800 :D:D:D | 16:10 |
| * aladds dances | 16:10 | |
| kender | yes | 16:10 |
| kender | hehe | 16:10 |
| aladds | i love typing on a keyboard | 16:10 |
| aladds | i'm yet to find a decent replacement to my eMate | 16:10 |
| aladds | i actually prefer it to my powerbook G3 | 16:11 |
| aladds | :P | 16:11 |
| kender | hehe | 16:11 |
| aladds | i love portable devices with keyboards | 16:11 |
| aladds | and if it's bluetooth, it can double as a pda too :D | 16:11 |
| kender | :) | 16:11 |
| aladds | even though the N800 isnt a pda per se | 16:12 |
| kender | no, isn't it | 16:12 |
| kender | hehe | 16:12 |
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| aladds | i'll say though, your english is very good | 16:13 |
| kender | hehe | 16:14 |
| kender | thanks | 16:14 |
| kender | my speak english, is very poor | 16:14 |
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| ferulo | kender: where from Spain are you from? | 16:14 |
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| kender | ferulo, Noth, Bilbao | 16:14 |
| ferulo | I love Bilbao | 16:14 |
| kender | hehehe | 16:14 |
| ferulo | and its "pintxos" :) | 16:14 |
| kender | XDD | 16:14 |
| kender | yeah | 16:14 |
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| kender | Guggenhein? | 16:15 |
| kender | hehe | 16:15 |
| ferulo | I'd prefer "Museo de Bellas Artes" :) | 16:15 |
| kender | oh | 16:15 |
| kender | hehe | 16:15 |
| kender | It is great too | 16:15 |
| kender | and, the park of "Doña Casilda" | 16:15 |
| kender | you know it? | 16:15 |
| ferulo | yeah, they did a great exhibition of Caravaggio+Velazquez paintings last year | 16:15 |
| kender | I'm not well informed about art | 16:16 |
| kender | hehe | 16:16 |
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| kender | aladds, I'm going to go to UK in summer holidays if I can, to improve my speaked english | 16:16 |
| kender | :) | 16:17 |
| aladds | cool | 16:17 |
| aladds | :) | 16:17 |
| kender | last summer I went to Ireland, beautiful | 16:17 |
| kender | hehe | 16:17 |
| kender | aladds, from where part of UK are you? | 16:17 |
| ferulo | guadec 7! | 16:17 |
| ferulo | or is it already 8? | 16:17 |
| kender | hehe | 16:18 |
| kender | I dunno | 16:18 |
| kender | but, the last was made here | 16:18 |
| kender | in.. Valencia | 16:18 |
| kender | I think | 16:18 |
| aladds | east anglia, cambridgeshire | 16:18 |
| kender | aladds, near London? | 16:18 |
| aladds | near cambridge :P | 16:19 |
| ferulo | kender: nop, in Vilanova, near Barcelona | 16:19 |
| kender | ferulo, oh | 16:19 |
| kender | hehe | 16:19 |
| * kender looking at google maps | 16:19 | |
| kender | aladds, well, It more less where I imagined it | 16:22 |
| aladds | yeah :P | 16:22 |
| kender | I think it where more southen | 16:23 |
| kender | but.. | 16:23 |
| kender | 1 hour to london? | 16:23 |
| aladds | yeah thereabouts | 16:23 |
| kender | ;-) | 16:23 |
| aladds | little bit less on the train | 16:23 |
| kender | that near for me! | 16:23 |
| aladds | although, it depends where in london you go | 16:23 |
| kender | that's* | 16:23 |
| aladds | :) | 16:24 |
| kender | hehe | 16:24 |
| kender | when we were planing the travel to Dublin, we thought about, going to London, take a train to Liverpool and then the ship | 16:25 |
| kender | but...finally we made by plane | 16:25 |
| aladds | ah | 16:25 |
| kender | first London, then Dublin | 16:25 |
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| kender | hehe | 16:25 |
| aladds | :P | 16:25 |
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| kender | 8 hours to Liverpool from London | 16:25 |
| kender | no thanks | 16:25 |
| kender | hehe | 16:25 |
| kender | "take a train" this is correct? | 16:26 |
| kender | BRB | 16:27 |
| aladds | yep | 16:27 |
| aladds | ok | 16:28 |
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| kender | back | 16:32 |
| NickDe | well I am off to compusa to grab an n800 | 16:47 |
| aladds | :D | 16:47 |
| kender | hehehe | 16:49 |
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| NickDe | sooo slight delay | 17:00 |
| NickDe | gotta wait for the witnesses to take a shower | 17:00 |
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| * nomis really doesn't get why the N800 gets sold without a prior announcement by Nokia. | 17:12 | |
| chx_ | http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html is this verified, real information? _SD SLOTS_ ? | 17:12 |
| kender | yes chx_ | 17:13 |
| kender | 2 SD slots | 17:13 |
| kender | no miniSD | 17:13 |
| * chx_ dances | 17:13 | |
| chx_ | I already own a *boatload* of SD cards | 17:14 |
| chx_ | Including a one gig Sandisk SD-and-USB-in-one | 17:14 |
| chx_ | I have not bought the 770 because the CPU was so weak | 17:14 |
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| chx_ | looks like my (let me guess: not only my) dreams are coming true | 17:15 |
| kender | hehehe | 17:15 |
| pahartik | chx_: is "SD" otherwise somehow better than "MMC"? | 17:15 |
| kender | pahartik, it is | 17:15 |
| kender | better speed | 17:15 |
| kender | and, more size | 17:15 |
| chx_ | speed. availablity. price. | 17:15 |
| kender | I think that MMC limits are 2 Gb | 17:16 |
| kender | in SD... 4 Gb...8 Gb have been seen | 17:16 |
| chx_ | i think 8gb is a new standard | 17:16 |
| chx_ | it needs special support -- SD cards do not have their own controllers like CF does | 17:17 |
| kender | but, backward compatible? | 17:17 |
| chx_ | maybe you can use the first 4gb of it | 17:17 |
| kender | chx_, special support, but, I think it's only software | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | I hear that sd/mmc cards with more than 2 gb use a different addressing mode | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | so the driver will need to be updated | 17:18 |
| chx_ | SDHC is the name of the standard | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | wow, a sane /topic at last | 17:18 |
| kender | mgedmin, :D | 17:19 |
| chx_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SD_and_SDHC_-_compatibility | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | nomis: CompUSA have broken the embargo seals on the shipping containers according to a Nokia support guy on the ITT forums. | 17:19 |
| kender | yes...drive update, but, no hardware update ;-) | 17:19 |
| kender | O_o | 17:19 |
| chx_ | Devices that do not specifically support SD2.0/SDHC do not recognize SDHC memory cards. | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | nomis: So I imagine Nokia marketing aren't very happy at their nicely orchestrated announcement + "...and it's available now!" being spoilt. | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | qgil: I keep the channel log at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/, perhaps it would be useful to mention that in the topic | 17:20 |
| kender | yes | 17:20 |
| chx_ | and what can Nokia do? | 17:20 |
| kender | hehe | 17:20 |
| chx_ | smack the sorry behind of the responsible manager of CompUSA or what? | 17:20 |
| chx_ | they can hardly say "we won't do business with CompUSA" | 17:20 |
| Pierre | given that everyone (~ :) and his mother is talking about it, it is a bon coup, no? cheap ads campain ;) | 17:22 |
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| pokute_ | chx_: They can always prioritize other retail outlets and use the same reason for delaying/limiting popular phone models to CompUSA | 17:40 |
| koen | it's a trade-off between hurting your sales and and hurting compusa for breaking the embargo | 17:46 |
| * nomis has no idea how important compusa is for the us market. | 17:47 | |
| Milhouse | NickDe - might not be a good idea waving your "unannounced" N800 in front of the Nokia booth next week :) | 17:48 |
| Milhouse | I'd guess BestBuy and Frys etc. are a bit miffed at CompUSA jumping the gun | 17:49 |
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| Milhouse | Reports on ITT that the N800 works with 4GB SD card - woohoo | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | sweet | 17:52 |
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| tko | hmm, I wonder if we'll get to know how many devices get sold before it's even supposed to be available.. need to poke some people about that :) | 18:01 |
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| keesj | tko, that would be quite hard to know . perhaps the devices perform a unique dns query or some other smart stuff | 18:26 |
| pokute_ | I'm still wondering if 870 exists somewhere too, along with N800... | 18:26 |
| kender | ?¿? | 18:28 |
| kender | pokute_, for what? | 18:28 |
| tko | keesj, not really, all purchases should have a timestamp, it's only a question of who has access to it :) | 18:28 |
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| * pahartik has been trying to switch Opera of Maemo 2.1 between "Author mode" and "User mode" while running by editing "~/.opera/input.ini", but nothing seems to help | 18:32 | |
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| kender | and must be formatted with either the 16- or 32-bit FAT file format. | 18:38 |
| kender | the SD/MMC card, can't have ext3 or similar file system? | 18:38 |
| kender | which is the FS of the internal memory? | 18:38 |
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| bertlmike | has someone figured out yet, if the n800 is a usb 1.1 or 2.0 device? | 18:41 |
| pahartik | kender: ext2 filesystem works just fine on Nokia 770 MMC | 18:41 |
| kender | pahartik, nice :) | 18:42 |
| kender | bertlmike, 770 what was? | 18:43 |
| pahartik | kender: internal flash is JFFS2 | 18:43 |
| kender | pahartik, thanks! | 18:43 |
| bertlmike | 1.1 - which meant you basically need a cardreader to transfer bigger files (or a lot of patience) | 18:44 |
| Milhouse | USB 1.1 on N800? | 18:44 |
| kender | noboady tried different things? squashfs (compresed) ... | 18:44 |
| bertlmike | no, on the 770 - i was wondering about the n800 | 18:44 |
| Milhouse | right - hopefully UBS 2 on N800! | 18:44 |
| Milhouse | USB even | 18:45 |
| bertlmike | hopefully.... yes! | 18:45 |
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| vhogemann | Hi there, anyone knows if the N800 will be avaliable at Brazil? | 18:47 |
| soothsay | As far as I know, no one knows anything about release outside of the US. | 18:47 |
| qgil | hi mgedmin, feel free editing the topic yourself | 18:48 |
| soothsay | Was the 770 available in Brazil? | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | oh, it's unlocked | 18:48 |
| Milhouse | Make that release outside of CompUSA! | 18:48 |
| vhogemann | soothsay: nope | 18:48 |
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| kender | mgedmin, :) | 18:48 |
| Milhouse | Isn't Maemo also for the N800? | 18:48 |
| Milhouse | :) | 18:48 |
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| *** kender changes topic to "Maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | Chilled conversation for tableteers is welcome | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/" | 18:49 | |
| kender | Milhouse, yes | 18:49 |
| Milhouse | hehe | 18:49 |
| kender | ;-) | 18:49 |
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| * mgedmin thought the N800 didn't officially exist yet ;) | 18:49 | |
| kender | bah | 18:49 |
| kender | tomorrow | 18:49 |
| kender | xDD | 18:49 |
| qgil | so did I | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | it's good to have a time machine :) | 18:49 |
| kender | mgedmin, xDD | 18:49 |
| kender | yes | 18:49 |
| qgil | mgedmin: have you thought about an easy way to search the archives? | 18:50 |
| shapr | Does anyone know the CPU speed for the N800? | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | shapr: No, but BogoMIPS rating is 320 vs. 125 on 770 | 18:51 |
| shapr | spiffy! | 18:51 |
| tko | qgil, google ? :) | 18:51 |
| shapr | I can only hope the battery life is as long. | 18:51 |
| koen | does anybody realize that 'bogomips' is short for 'bogus mips'? | 18:52 |
| qgil | tko: I was ketting room for answers ;) | 18:52 |
| Jaffa | koen: indeed, although I've never worked out where the "o" comes from | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | qgil: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search, but don't tell anyone! | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | :) | 18:52 |
| Jaffa | The N800's made /., btw. | 18:53 |
| shapr | koen: Yup, but it shows that the n800 might be faster | 18:53 |
| Milhouse | what was the speed of the OMAP1710 - 120Mhz? | 18:53 |
| kender | mgedmin, :) | 18:53 |
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| Jaffa | Milhouse: ~220-250MHz | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | shapr: 320 MHz | 18:53 |
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| mgedmin | on the N800 | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | Disconnect measured the cpu speed yesterday | 18:53 |
| koen | but vith vfp and without alignment problems | 18:53 |
| Milhouse | wow, the bogomips are way off then on the 770 | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: using ssvb's binary, ssvb said that the output of that was *half* the clock frequency. | 18:54 |
| tko | Milhouse, IIRC we run 1710 at 250MHz | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | nah, bogomips depend on the cpu architecture a lot | 18:54 |
| Milhouse | on some RISC architectures it's close to the clock speed | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | on the 770 mhz = bogomips * 2; on the 800 mhz = bogomips | 18:54 |
| shapr | mgedmin: spiffy | 18:55 |
| pahartik | shapr: when used with other Bluetooth 2.0 devices, battery life of Nokia N800 should be slightly better | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: if you say so (I didn't know OTTOMH a 640MHz OMAP either, that's XScale-like territory) | 18:55 |
| shapr | pahartik: What about without? | 18:56 |
| shapr | Is it using the same battery? | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:56 |
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| jonek | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo3.0 is available | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | the battery applet on the n800 now estimates time remaining | 18:57 |
| pahartik | shapr: compared to using Bluetooth 1.2... | 18:57 |
| kender | jonek, wow | 18:57 |
| qgil | cool mgedmin, tko this irc logs search is to be linked somewhere at the website as well, isn't it | 18:57 |
| shapr | My 770 is now 1 year and two days old, and bits of the plastic are breaking off, I'm glad they released an upgrade. | 18:57 |
| shapr | Now if only I can scrape up $400 soon! | 18:58 |
| tko | qgil, I think the search box should be at the top of the logs list | 18:58 |
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| Zmanu | hello | 18:58 |
| shapr | I found 4GB SD cards listed, is that the largest available? | 18:58 |
| Milhouse | jonek - no wonder Nokia are p!ssed at CompUSA, they are still getting the Bora infrastructure available | 18:58 |
| Disconnect | gonna post sample vidcap soon probably | 18:58 |
| kender | Disconnect, :D | 18:59 |
| tko | Milhouse, we're pissed? where? | 18:59 |
| qgil | tko: this too, but I don't know mgedmin yet :) | 18:59 |
| konttori_ | Disconnect: you got one already? Cool stuff | 18:59 |
| shapr | Disconnect: How'd you get yours so early? | 18:59 |
| Milhouse | my 13 month old 770 is in pretty good shape | 18:59 |
| inz | jonek, roostraps are also in /stable/bora/armel/ | 18:59 |
| Disconnect | shapr: i'm the guy that went to compusa yesterday and bought one | 18:59 |
| Disconnect | thats where most of the specs came from | 19:00 |
| shapr | My 770 does mountain unicycling with me while wrapped in a t-shirt in my backpack. I've had some hard landings that weren't good for either of us. | 19:00 |
| ssvb | Jaffa: my test program calculates the number of ADD instructions that can be executed per second, so it can be used to estimate clock frequency | 19:00 |
| shapr | Disconnect: cool! | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | tko, qgil: the search is an experimental feature, I will add a search box/link to the front page eventually | 19:00 |
| Zmanu | i follow the maemo tutorial and i'm just try to use xephyr | 19:00 |
| Milhouse | tko: I thought Nokia were upset with CompUSA selling N800's before the announcement. If however you mean pissed as in booze, get yerself down to the local pub :) | 19:00 |
| konttori_ | Is the N800 32 bit video or still 16 bit ? | 19:00 |
| Jaffa | ssvb: ah, I see. | 19:01 |
| Zmanu | so i write code like in tutorial, and run it, i have error "cannot open host display. Is display set ?" in code i have set i want to use display 2 | 19:01 |
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| kender | Disconnect, the usb, is 1.1 or 2.0? | 19:01 |
| Zmanu | is someone can help me find what need, i use debian sarge | 19:01 |
| qgil | mgedmin: I have tried a couple of times and the results were interesting (you are probably logging them?) | 19:01 |
| Jaffa | Milhouse: that's only speculation, really. And since none of Nokia's marketing peeps hang out here (AFAIK), we'll never know ;-) | 19:01 |
| Disconnect | refresh my memory on /dev/video format..? mplayer failed to autodetect | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | qgil: define "interesting" | 19:01 |
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| nok | Hthi | 19:01 |
| Milhouse | Jaffa - you're right, but I'm sure they'd rather the CompUSA droids hadn't ignored the "embargo" stickers! | 19:02 |
| tko | Milhouse, I mean have you seen us getting mad? or maybe the whole thing is just marketing ploy :) | 19:02 |
| nok | Disconnect: I heard you got xterm running. Can you tell me how? | 19:02 |
| ssvb | Jaffa: it benchmarks Nokia 770 to have 250MHz (which proves that it is at least higher than 220MHz which some people believe Nokia 770 has), and N800 to 320MHz (but OMAP2 cpus theoretically should have 330MHz) | 19:02 |
| qgil | mgedmin: the results provided what i was looking for and even made me think of other terms to search | 19:02 |
| nok | is there a log of this channel stored somewhere? | 19:02 |
| Disconnect | nok: downgrade libvte | 19:02 |
| soothsay | See topic | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | ssvb: cool | 19:03 |
| konttori_ | Is the display 24 bit on N800? | 19:03 |
| MDK | tigert: btw, what about the new maemo.org? | 19:03 |
| tigert | nok: on google | 19:03 |
| jonek | I need some helping hand to get Java (PhoneME advanced) compiled for the 770. I guess I lack knowledge of toolchains/crosscompiling. I think I have to compile it "outside" of scratchbox, as inside there isn't the needed jdk1.4.2 available. | 19:03 |
| Milhouse | tko: no, only speculation and I'm not suggesting you're hopping up and down mad, you might just be mildly annoyed, or not bothered at all! :) | 19:03 |
| qgil | tigert, see topic :) | 19:03 |
| MDK | hey konttori_ | 19:03 |
| konttori_ | MDK: Hi | 19:03 |
| tigert | qgil: :) | 19:03 |
| tigert | ok. must run, later | 19:03 |
| ssvb | Jaffa: probably tko can confirm if N800 is 320MHz or 330MHz in reality (maybe after official announcement if it is still a secret) | 19:03 |
| Jaffa | jonek: Aleksandyr was talking earlier about when he compiled classpath/JamVM/jikes and had "fun" getting it to use the jikes outside the scratchbox. If he's awake he may be able to help | 19:03 |
| tko | Milhouse, probably depends much on the person :) | 19:03 |
| tko | ssvb, N-what? :) | 19:04 |
| Zmanu | nobody use xephyr in scratchbox ? | 19:04 |
| Milhouse | anyone able to provide the output from "uname -a" ? | 19:04 |
| Jaffa | Zmanu: no, you use Xephyr *outside* scratchbox and the apps/HAF running inside Scratchbox use it as an X server | 19:05 |
| nok | tigert: thanks. | 19:05 |
| Milhouse | uname -a from N800 of course | 19:05 |
| * konttori_ was just testing 400x480 video on mplayer. looks terrific. Thanks ssvb! | 19:05 | |
| tko | Zmanu, the basic steps are: outside sbox: Xephyr :2 -ac -screen... ; inside scratchbox: export DISPLAY=:2; af-sb-init.sh start | 19:06 |
| soothsay | Is there a reason scratchbox isn't available in the Debian repositories? | 19:06 |
| kender | Disconnect, the usb of the N800, 1.1 or 2.0? | 19:06 |
| jonek | Jaffa: You mean Aleksandyr compiled that stuff inside scratchbox and used a compiler from outside for that? | 19:06 |
| Zmanu | Jaffa, tko thanks | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | jonek: that's the impression I got, but ICBW | 19:07 |
| tko | soothsay, sbox is a piece of c...ode that isn't compatible with debian packaging policies - yet | 19:07 |
| ferulo | yeah, the /scratchbox thing is ugly :) | 19:07 |
| tko | there's been some talk to improve sbox in that area, especially with sbox 1.x it should be more simple | 19:07 |
| suihkulokki | ferulo: you can install sbox 1.0 wherever you want =) | 19:08 |
| soothsay | tko: Is there a timeline for 1.x? | 19:08 |
| suihkulokki | in sbox 1.0 you can create devkits more easily, so creating a "jdk" devkit should not hard either | 19:09 |
| tko | soothsay, I don't think we got that far, though I'm not directly involved in that | 19:09 |
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| suihkulokki | otoh I don't really like devkits per se | 19:09 |
| tko | suihkulokki, they're better than hacking scratchbox-core IMO | 19:09 |
| jonek | Jaffa: my understanding of scratchbox+maemo was that when using the arm target everything is emulated eith quemu. so there is no chance of using the java/javac from "outside" in there as that is i386. is that right? | 19:09 |
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| suihkulokki | jonek: nope, any x86 binary under /scratchbox (*inside scratchbox*) just works | 19:10 |
| tko | jonek, if you make java a devkit or something, it can be i386 and skip the qemu | 19:10 |
| lle | tko: I'm willing to bet that sb2 is ready before nokia gets its lazy ass to move maemo to sb 1.x | 19:10 |
| tko | ferulo, did you get anywhere with your mono devkit? :) | 19:11 |
| Jaffa | jonek: no, when you're compiling stuff you're using a cross-comiler *targetting* ARM but running natively. Also, compiling Java class files: the result is platform indepdent ;-) | 19:11 |
| tko | lle, deal :) | 19:11 |
| koen | Jaffa: not quite true | 19:11 |
| ferulo | tko: not really | 19:11 |
| koen | Jaffa: you can't cross-compile the rxtx java libs | 19:11 |
| ferulo | mostly away from computers during Xmas | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | koen: true, the native JNI bits need to use the cross-compiler | 19:12 |
| * qgil didn't know who was ferulo | 19:12 | |
| ferulo | yeah, fer was taken here in freenode | 19:12 |
| qgil | sweet:) | 19:12 |
| MDK | hey fer | 19:12 |
| jonek | Jaffa: :-) I know that | 19:12 |
| ferulo | qgil: are you buying "the bed"? :) | 19:12 |
| MDK | ferulo: ferulito | 19:13 |
| ferulo | miguelito! | 19:13 |
| qgil | ferulo: "the bed"? | 19:13 |
| Rotund | Isn't Herring (the basis for Bora) already using scratchbox 2? | 19:13 |
| ferulo | qgil: all nokias coming for abroad are buying the same bed :) | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | jonek: if you're just doing PhoneME, it's not important, but I had some thoughts about auto-Hildonisation in J2SE | 19:13 |
| MDK | ferulo: haha | 19:13 |
| MDK | qgil: and same ikea "bundle" | 19:14 |
| tko | ferulo, the nokia model? :) | 19:14 |
| ferulo | they are going to rename it in IKEA as "nokia" instead of "sultan" or whatever | 19:14 |
| ferulo | xan: sushi? | 19:14 |
| Jaffa | jonek: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26120&postcount=13 | 19:14 |
| qgil | ferulo: sorry for not joining the bed party but we are bringing our handmade bet in the 30cbm container | 19:14 |
| jonek | Jaffa: I wonder if there is a "GTK-part" in the phoneME code that could be used on the 770 | 19:14 |
| * Jaffa 's not looked at the phoneME code, so couldn't say. | 19:15 | |
| qgil | ferulo: hum, how you know the bed your colleagues are buying | 19:15 |
| ferulo | flykr | 19:15 |
| lle | Rotund: not as far as I know ;) if they do, they're insane.. | 19:15 |
| tko | qgil, are you sure you want to know? | 19:15 |
| qgil | now you make me think and I don't know the bed of most of my office colleagues in the last 15 years! | 19:15 |
| MDK | qgil: the best place to meet nokia employees over weekend in helsinki is ikea or stockmann | 19:16 |
| qgil | tko: sorry I'm under non-disclosure, can't answer you | 19:16 |
| tko | ah, the first rule of nokia-ikea-bed-club... | 19:16 |
| ferulo | damm, we should meet every sunday in that sushi bar instead of stockman :) | 19:17 |
| MDK | ferulo: which one? Kamppi ? | 19:17 |
| kender | BBL | 19:17 |
| ferulo | yup, the one that xan recommends | 19:17 |
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| qgil | ferulo, MDK, tko: the rent of a 4 room house for the whole family + Suomi taxation % won't let us much cash for shopping furniture over the weekend, I believe | 19:20 |
| MDK | the taxation is pretty nasty | 19:21 |
| MDK | and rental prices are high too | 19:21 |
| ferulo | damm, we need to get the new tax card :( | 19:21 |
| MDK | true | 19:21 |
| qgil | btw, if you want/miss something eatable or drinkable from Spain that can last 1 week in a cold container, *now* is your opportunity to ask | 19:22 |
| tko | ferulo, hmm, you didn't get it already? | 19:22 |
| Rotund | lle: sorry I was thinking 1.0 and not .9 or whatever it was | 19:22 |
| ferulo | not, but they are going to send a wrong one, based on my last year income | 19:22 |
| ferulo | that was only a 7months income, so I'm going to enjoy my new % | 19:22 |
| qgil | what % are you getting, if it's ok to share? | 19:23 |
| ferulo | I have to calculate the new one | 19:23 |
| ferulo | old one was... 2x something | 19:23 |
| ferulo | 24 or 26 IIRC | 19:23 |
| ferulo | http://flickr.com/photos/lucasrocha/280042637/ <-- this is the bed | 19:24 |
| MDK | I got 19% for 5 months | 19:24 |
| ferulo | daniels, johan, moises, jesus, guillem.. me... :) | 19:24 |
| * tko makes mental note to avoid that particular bed | 19:24 | |
| ferulo | MDK: did you take into account the bonusses when calculating it? or did you get a nice 55% during december? | 19:24 |
| qgil | ferulo: now I see the furinture taste of the average maemo hacker... | 19:25 |
| ferulo | quick and cheap | 19:25 |
| MDK | ferulo: I think I got that into account accidentaly. Besides, my bonuses were not *that* high due to obvious reasons. | 19:25 |
| qgil | ferulo: the bed or...? | 19:25 |
| ferulo | qgil: http://fer.name/apartment/24092006(007).jpg | 19:26 |
| ferulo | that's my living room "taste" :) | 19:26 |
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| suihkulokki | well I guess most nerds get furniture for their functional value rather than aesthic value =) | 19:26 |
| ferulo | http://fer.name/apartment/24092006.jpg quite ikeasih too | 19:26 |
| qgil | fer: respect | 19:27 |
| jonek | suihkulokki: does that mean I can use the jdk1.4.2 binaries inside scrtachbox if I install them there? | 19:28 |
| MDK | I'm kinda minimal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldominic/270446545/in/set-72157594329653822/ | 19:28 |
| MDK | and I'm sleeping in a bed of another nokia employee | 19:28 |
| MDK | ferulo: what one needs to do to get the new tax card? Go through the on-line forms? | 19:29 |
| ferulo | MDK: phone call | 19:29 |
| ferulo | they will send the new one to your place | 19:29 |
| qgil | mdk: pink floyd! | 19:30 |
| ferulo | send send it to nokia payroll before 6st of Feb | 19:30 |
| MDK | ok, I'll send send it | 19:30 |
| shapr | Any released word on bluetooth headset support in bora? | 19:31 |
| qgil | I need to upload somewhere the video shootage we made from the whole house last week, before starting demounting it (sigh!) | 19:31 |
| jonek | suihkulokki: is it possible to make the installation of the i386 JDK in my /usr/local (outside scratchbox) available to scratchbox without installing it inside again (to save diskspace)? | 19:31 |
| suihkulokki | jonek: are you using 1.0 ? | 19:31 |
| qgil | Katja, my partner, asks for the measures of "The Bed" | 19:31 |
| MDK | haha | 19:31 |
| ferulo | 1.80 x 2.00? | 19:32 |
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| jonek | suihkulokki: nope, 0.9.8 | 19:32 |
| suihkulokki | jonek: if you where using 1.0.x, you could try bindmounting /usr/local/jdk -> /sbox/devkits/java, then setting JAVA_HOME and path | 19:33 |
| ferulo | MDK's bed is confrotable | 19:33 |
| ferulo | I was told by carlos' child :) | 19:33 |
| nok | someone mentioned reports on ITT in the logs... what is ITT? | 19:33 |
| nok | internettablettalk... | 19:33 |
| nok | nevermind | 19:33 |
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| NickDe | I got it!@ | 19:36 |
| NickDe | :) | 19:36 |
| NickDe | its amazing | 19:36 |
| NickDe | video camera is hot | 19:36 |
| jonek | suihkulokki: :-( I tought maemo was only supposed to work with sbox 0.9.8? | 19:36 |
| MDK | heh, one more down | 19:36 |
| NickDe | :) | 19:36 |
| NickDe | ha ha ha | 19:36 |
| MDK | ;) | 19:37 |
| NickDe | but I'll keep it stock until a proper 2007 os is available for download | 19:37 |
| NickDe | can I install apps like xterm etc on this n800? or should I wait for proper 2007 packlages | 19:37 |
| jonek | suihkulokki: ok :) - I also noticed those successfull reports with outher versions | 19:38 |
| chx_ | i wander... is it feasible to have a webserver on the machine? | 19:38 |
| jonek | suihkulokki: but I never gave a later version a try | 19:38 |
| chx_ | like 'thy' | 19:38 |
| shapr | chx_: thttpd is aready packaged for the 770 | 19:39 |
| shapr | It works fine. | 19:39 |
| chx_ | ooooh | 19:39 |
| chx_ | then let's get bold | 19:39 |
| chx_ | PHP? MySQL? | 19:39 |
| shapr | SQLite | 19:39 |
| shapr | Is already packaged. | 19:39 |
| chx_ | SQLite...mmmm and PHP? | 19:39 |
| bertlmike | can anyone with a n800 give me the 6 digit compusa sku (should be on the receipt)? | 19:39 |
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| NickDe | it seems the screen is glass | 19:41 |
| NickDe | not a film | 19:41 |
| NickDe | so it wont mark | 19:41 |
| NickDe | on the n800 that is | 19:41 |
| NickDe | thats neat | 19:42 |
| qgil | [OT] Is it there a website to retrieve the zip/postal code of an address in Helsinki? | 19:42 |
| shapr | chx_: I haven't seen PHP packaged for Maemo. | 19:43 |
| tko | qgil, kartat.eniro.fi might work for you | 19:43 |
| tko | I just use reittiopas.fi :) | 19:44 |
| qgil | thanks! | 19:44 |
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| chx_ | shapr: OK, now I googled (sorry for not before) http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg06402.html seems someone wanted to this lately | 19:45 |
| Zmanu | is someone have repository for sarge to install xephyr ? | 19:47 |
| tko | Zmanu, the current sdk comes with Xephyr | 19:48 |
| Zmanu | you tell install it outside scratchbox and sfk is for inside scratchbox, no ? | 19:48 |
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| Zmanu | i take SDK 2.1 | 19:49 |
| tko | Zmanu, run outside scratchbox, not necessarily install | 19:50 |
| Zmanu | but how can i do that ? | 19:50 |
| NickDe | so is there a difference between OS2006 and OS2007? | 19:50 |
| MDK | robtaylor: ping | 19:51 |
| tko | Zmanu, there's a start-xephyr.sh script which makes starting easy | 19:51 |
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| tko | NickDe, yes. if nothing else, at least 6 vs. 7 :-] | 19:52 |
| Zmanu | i create this inside scratchbox ... i've just understand, i must run it from outside not inside ... too stupid i'm ... thanks | 19:52 |
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| Zmanu | tko, thanks that work fine | 19:59 |
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| soothsay | N800 on slashdot front page | 20:05 |
| jonek | suihkulokki: I neither can start java (i386 binary from 1.4.2 JDK) inside arm target of scratchbox nor can I install the jdk from inside it. | 20:06 |
| chx_ | again... just a thought... if I would PayPal someone a few greenbacks... would it be possible that someone who lives in a more fortunate place than Hungary would send me an N800 ? | 20:06 |
| suihkulokki | jonek: with 1.0.x ? | 20:06 |
| jonek | suihkulokki: as I said I only have sbox 0.9.8 | 20:06 |
| soothsay | Does anyone know what the license for Canola is? | 20:07 |
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| suihkulokki | jonek: sorry, I wasn't clear enough, you need atleast apophis r4 for unmodified binaries to work under /scratchbox | 20:07 |
| Aleksandyr | I think I need to write some kind of AI to parse my IRC backlogs for me. | 20:08 |
| xan | ferulo, hey | 20:08 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: hi | 20:08 |
| xan | ferulo, you want to go to the sushi bar now? | 20:08 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek, good morning | 20:08 |
| ferulo | well, in one hour? | 20:08 |
| xan | let me ask sandra | 20:08 |
| ferulo | okii | 20:08 |
| Aleksandyr | [technically it is 1pm: however, I just woke up.] | 20:08 |
| Aleksandyr | has some brave soul attempted a dist-upgrade to bora? :D | 20:09 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: I read about your java efforts for the 770 on the ITT forum thread Jaffa pointed me to | 20:09 |
| xan | ferulo, ok | 20:09 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek, still catching up on the backlog :D got questions? | 20:09 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: I try to build Java PhoneME for the 770 | 20:10 |
| chx_ | do we have news whether the N800 USB connector is powered or not? | 20:10 |
| Aleksandyr | GL. I can't figure out how to get it to build period, let alone near scratchbox | 20:10 |
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| ferulo | xan: so, at 21:15 where? | 20:11 |
| Aleksandyr | reading over the docs, they have their own crosscompile spec built in to their build system --- probably won't play at all with scratchbox | 20:11 |
| ferulo | or 21:30... | 20:11 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: for such a build java 1.4.2 sdk is needed which isn't available in scratchbox | 20:11 |
| xan | ferulo, do you know the place? | 20:12 |
| ferulo | no :) | 20:12 |
| xan | ok, then let's meet at kamppi | 20:12 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek: it's possible to link host tools into a special directory in scratchbox so that they become available regardless of target | 20:12 |
| ferulo | what door? | 20:12 |
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| NickDe | the manual of the n800 makes reference to Nvidia | 20:12 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek: this is how I was able to compile classpath under SDK_ARMEL | 20:12 |
| xan | hum, the one you hit coming from the station | 20:12 |
| xan | in the big square place | 20:13 |
| NickDe | or is that a standard Nokia manual thing | 20:13 |
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| jonek | Aleksandyr: how can I link my host 1.4.2 JDK into scratchbox? | 20:13 |
| |TBB| | anyone knows how to delete buddys under gaim (n770 port) | 20:13 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek: excellent question! Don't entirely remember. :D | 20:14 |
| ferulo | ok, xan, so 21.30? | 20:14 |
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| xan | ferulo, hm, btw, it's always full, we had to eat in the "barra" a couple of times, very uncomfortable | 20:14 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek: that said, I'm going to go dig into my dual boot partition (which isn't booting =/) and see if I can figure out how I did it with Jikes. | 20:15 |
| ferulo | I have no food at home, so it's better :) | 20:15 |
| ferulo | MDK, tko: are you joining? | 20:15 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: and yes PhoneME's build system is prepared for crosscompiling to the different target platforms | 20:15 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek: in theory, Jikes should work in place of the j2sdk | 20:15 |
| Aleksandyr | heh, that was easy. | 20:15 |
| Aleksandyr | /scratchbox/users/[you]/host_usr | 20:15 |
| MDK | ferulo: no, we went to Luc with Lucas for a launch... I'm stull full | 20:16 |
| Aleksandyr | which becomes merged with your scratchbox /usr | 20:16 |
| Aleksandyr | IIRC. | 20:16 |
| Aleksandyr | so in theory you could do a j2sdk install into that directory and it would, barring some path tweaks, work in scratchbox. | 20:17 |
| myren | there's still no usb host? | 20:18 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: I'm trying just that - thx | 20:18 |
| Aleksandyr | I'd be extremely interested in the process you're using, jonek, as I just couldn't get anything out of PhoneME. | 20:18 |
| Aleksandyr | jonek: not only are you welcome, but if you get PhoneME sorted, I owe you a drink ;) | 20:19 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: I compiled it successfully for Linux/i386 (all tests passed) | 20:19 |
| myren | why oh why is there no god damned usb | 20:19 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: now I want to do the same for the 770 | 20:20 |
| Aleksandyr | side note: has anyone confirmed the flash player version on the 800? | 20:21 |
| Aleksandyr | I remember reading about succesfful if slow YouTube work | 20:21 |
| soothsay | http://blog.tokash.org/2007/01/07/nokia-n800-video-the-first-of-many/ | 20:22 |
| Aleksandyr | simpler question: should I still be working on MaemoTube ;) | 20:22 |
| soothsay | Youtube is pretty unusable. | 20:23 |
| soothsay | Blame there probably lies squarely at Adobe | 20:23 |
| tko | ferulo, no thanks. I'm full, far away and don't enjoy sushi that much | 20:23 |
| ferulo | 3 good reasons :) | 20:24 |
| Aleksandyr | soothsay, was afraid of that. If it's barely usable on the 800 it will be entirely worthless on the 770 | 20:24 |
| |TBB| | where do i find the builtin browser /bin.... | 20:25 |
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| Aleksandyr_ | silly router. | 20:28 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: I now have the jdk in /scratchbox/users/[me]/host_usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13 but it doesn't seem to be available in my SDK_ARMEL :-( | 20:29 |
| Aleksandyr_ | jonek: did you set your paths? | 20:29 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: I don't know where to | 20:29 |
| Aleksandyr_ | jonek: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13/bin IIRC | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | Set JAVA_HOME too, probably | 20:30 |
| Aleksandyr_ | unless I'm underestimating the problem :D | 20:30 |
| Aleksandyr_ | export JAVA_HOME=/usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13 | 20:30 |
| Aleksandyr_ | in the name of sanity I would symlink /usr/bin/java to /usr/bin/j2sdk...etc | 20:30 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: sorry, I was not precise enough. /usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13 isn't there | 20:30 |
| Aleksandyr_ | restarted scratchbox after the install? | 20:30 |
| jonek | Aleksandyr: logged out and in again yes | 20:31 |
| * Aleksandyr_ wishes he had a working scratchbox system. | 20:31 | |
| Aleksandyr_ | err, no, I mean, restart scratchbox. /etc/init.d/scratchbox restart | 20:31 |
| lle | jonek: if you put it into host_usr it won't be visible in /usr/bin | 20:31 |
| lle | jonek: it's in /host_usr/bin | 20:31 |
| * Aleksandyr_ suddenly feels extremely silly. | 20:31 | |
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| jonek | lle: ok I've seen it there but thought it doesn't matter :-/ | 20:32 |
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| lle | I think I did get java working inside sbox long time ago | 20:33 |
| jonek | lle: if I do /host_usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13/bin/java I get bash: /host_usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13/bin/java: No such file or directory | 20:33 |
| lle | dunno why | 20:33 |
| Aleksandyr_ | hrm. Testing a theory. Back in a few. | 20:34 |
| lle | jonek: that's because it doesn't find it's libraries | 20:34 |
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| lle | jonek: somebody with more recent experience with sb0.x/1.x could help more | 20:35 |
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| jonek | I have JAVA_HOME=/host_usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13 and PATH=$PATH:/host_usr/bin/j2sdk1.4.2_13/bin | 20:35 |
| lle | LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the key | 20:36 |
| jonek | lle: ok | 20:36 |
| lle | and you need to run it through ld-linux.so.2 | 20:36 |
| lle | /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /host_usr/bin/... | 20:36 |
| lle | or something to that effect | 20:36 |
| lle | the alien wrapper used to take care of this | 20:37 |
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| slapin_nb | hi, all! | 20:37 |
| lle | people on #scratchbox should be able to help | 20:37 |
| jonek | lle: thx I will ask there | 20:38 |
| lle | all in all, it's quite easy, really | 20:38 |
| slapin_nb | is it possible to get n800 using internet shop? | 20:38 |
| |TBB| | who has an n800 allready | 20:39 |
| pokute_ | slapin_nb: I think it will be after it's announced properly. | 20:39 |
| slapin_nb | btw, is it possible to get parts for n770 not on Nokia shop? | 20:39 |
| tko | I'd think you generally have better luck in purchasing things *after* they're officially announced | 20:39 |
| tko | but that's just me | 20:39 |
| * slapin_nb hopes to get preorder discount :) | 20:39 | |
| lle | tko: you're just being pessimistic | 20:39 |
| tko | lle, I still don't have my flying car.. maybe that's why | 20:40 |
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| pokute_ | slapin_nb: I bet those could apply if it was announced at date x and being sold at date x+y. But considering they probably will be available on date x. | 20:41 |
| lle | tko: yeah, that sucks. but instead you got an internet tablet! isn't that cool or what.. | 20:41 |
| tko | 770 was cool, but now it's old news :) | 20:42 |
| slapin_nb | well, is it possible to get some n770 accessories using not Nokia shop? | 20:43 |
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| pahartik | slapin_nb: define "n770 accessories"? | 20:47 |
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| jonek | lle: #scratchbox seems to stay quiet | 20:48 |
| tko | I thought sbox project was practically hibernating | 20:52 |
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| slapin_nb | pahartik, stylus | 20:52 |
| lle | jonek: that may be | 20:57 |
| |TBB| | where to find the opera executable | 20:57 |
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| lle | jonek: send a mail to scratchbox-users@scratchbox.org, they do reply, it might take a while though | 20:57 |
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| kender | NickDe, a question, the usb of the n800, is 2.0 or 1.1 like in the 770? | 21:10 |
| shapr | Hm, 8gb SD cards exist... What's the limit of the n800 card slot? | 21:13 |
| shapr | I'd love to have an N800 with 16gb of storage. | 21:14 |
| siti | kender: oh is that why copying stuff to the 770 is so slow, silly usb 1.0! | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | I thought linux didn't support sd/mmc cards > 4 gb yet | 21:14 |
| kender | mgedmin, someone put's one 4Gb card, and works fine in the n800 | 21:14 |
| kender | siti, yes, that's why I'm asking | 21:15 |
| kender | hehe | 21:15 |
| JussiP | Is it even full speed 1.1? It seems to me that I can transfer data faster to other USB 1.1 devices. | 21:15 |
| kender | I think yes, but, no idea | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | about sd/mmc cards on linux: http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=41 | 21:15 |
| |TBB| | is it possible to watch youtube vidz smoothly on the n800 | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | about data transfer speed: I got the impression that writing to flash was the bottleneck | 21:16 |
| siti | |TBB|: from everywhere I read it's a little jerky | 21:17 |
| kender | http://members.dslextreme.com/users/carnedo/IMG_0556.jpg <- mgedmin | 21:17 |
| kender | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27888&postcount=40 | 21:17 |
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| kender | lol | 21:17 |
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| mgedmin | xchat crashed on me :/ | 21:18 |
| kender | hehe | 21:18 |
| kender | mgedmin, have you see the image? | 21:18 |
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| kender | My next goal, and Pierre might beat me to it, is to add support for the new high capacity MMC and SD cards. The original standard uses byte-level addressing, which limits addressable capacity to 4GB - the new revisions (SD 2.0 and MMC 4.2) use block level addressing to access 2TB | 21:18 |
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| mgedmin | now I have | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | that's exactly what I was talking about -- different addressing modes | 21:19 |
| kender | yes | 21:19 |
| kender | but, 4 Gb works | 21:19 |
| siti | yeah so 8gb is pretty nice | 21:19 |
| kender | more, by now, no | 21:19 |
| kender | siti, pretty pretty pretty, hehe | 21:19 |
| kender | mgedmin, anyway, do you think that with a driver "improvement" we could use more storage SD cards? | 21:20 |
| kender | or it is a hardware limit? | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | I'm actually pretty clueless, but that blog page I linked says it can be done with a software update | 21:21 |
| kender | fantastic! | 21:21 |
| kender | in the nokia official User guide said | 21:22 |
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| kender | The size limit is 2 GB. You can only use FAT 16/32 | 21:23 |
| kender | formatted compatible memory cards with this device. | 21:23 |
| kender | but...that's not true, is it? | 21:23 |
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| |TBB| | have any1 answered my question before? gaim and other apps closed while browsing the web with n770 | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | I suspect that some 4 GB cards use byte-level addressing (and work), while others use block-level addressing (and thus do not work) | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | |TBB|: about youtube on n800? it sort of works, but video plays at 2fps, and audio hiccups | 21:25 |
| siti | so I guess they're just being safe | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | there's a youtube video of the n800 playing a youtube video | 21:25 |
| siti | 2fps ouch, is it because flash is so unoptomized? | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | has anyone tried playing flash videos with mplayer? | 21:25 |
| |TBB| | :( | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | on the n800 (or the 770)? | 21:25 |
| Zmanu | i have install Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.1_armel-rootstrap.tgz.tar and i try to run it by sbox-config -st SDK_ARMEL but it don't want because i'm soon login on SDK_PC but i don't understand why because i just follow tutorial | 21:26 |
| pokute_ | I guess that Nokia would rather undershoot with it's compability notices than overshoot and have a backlash. | 21:26 |
| siti | it would be cool if google released a not so intense version for handhelds like the n800... :) | 21:26 |
| siti | yeah it's not so good when people buy a 4GB memory card and it doesn't work | 21:26 |
| pahartik | siti: "Google search engine CGI" works just fine on Opera of Maemo 2.1 | 21:27 |
| siti | what I meant, is youtube and google video :P | 21:27 |
| siti | mgedmin: do you have a link to that youtube video? | 21:28 |
| |TBB| | whats the google search engine cgi | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | siti: I had it, and that's when my xchat crashed | 21:28 |
| siti | in other words the simple google search... | 21:28 |
| siti | mgedmin: :( | 21:28 |
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| mgedmin | siti, |TBB|: http://blog.tokash.org/2007/01/07/nokia-n800-video-the-first-of-many/ | 21:29 |
| siti | thanks | 21:29 |
| |TBB| | cant watch it now on the n770 | 21:30 |
| siti | it seems faster to startup! | 21:30 |
| JussiP | And faster on pretty much everything. :) | 21:31 |
| siti | wooho ;) | 21:31 |
| Pio | how much are the n800s going for? | 21:31 |
| glass_ | not anything yet | 21:31 |
| Pio | my 770 is only a couple weeks old.. heh | 21:31 |
| Pio | ah | 21:31 |
| |TBB| | mine too | 21:31 |
| glass_ | tomorrow maybe | 21:31 |
| Pio | k thanks | 21:31 |
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| pahartik | Pio: same thing here... | 21:31 |
| |TBB| | mgedmin is it available in germany too | 21:32 |
| Pio | Nokia has quietly begun delivering an upgrade to its Linux-based 770 Internet Tablet. The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet is available now from at least two retail stores in the U.S., priced at $399.99, | 21:32 |
| Pio | from osnews.com | 21:32 |
| kender | |TBB|, how you know it? | 21:33 |
| kender | do you* | 21:34 |
| siti | he should have put a "?" mark :P | 21:34 |
| pahartik | kender: it looked like question without "?" character | 21:34 |
| siti | what's the new game there's one more in that menu hah | 21:35 |
| kender | hehehe | 21:35 |
| kender | yes, sorry | 21:35 |
| siti | is the screens white kind of weird still, e.g. when you look close you can see all the weird colours? | 21:36 |
| Zmanu | is someone know why i can't use sbox-config -st SDK_ARMEL when i'm on SDK_PC | 21:37 |
| Zmanu | on 770 | 21:37 |
| |TBB| | who could tell me where to find the executable file for opera | 21:39 |
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| NickDe | this thing is hilarious | 21:39 |
| keesj | Zmanu, what kind of errro do you get? | 21:39 |
| NickDe | n800 rocks | 21:39 |
| |TBB| | so i can setup gaim browser settings | 21:40 |
| siti | hilarous? | 21:40 |
| Zmanu | error "You have 1 other scratchbox session running! you must terminate it before the active target can be changed" | 21:40 |
| keesj | Zmanu, I guess it's not the best time to get support on this channel :) | 21:40 |
| Zmanu | keesj, because n800 come out :) | 21:41 |
| |TBB| | nickde have u used a n770 before? | 21:41 |
| NickDe | of course | 21:41 |
| NickDe | I've had a 770 since last nov | 21:41 |
| NickDe | a year ago | 21:41 |
| |TBB| | and now got a n880 | 21:41 |
| keesj | Zmanu, they are all on drugs and did not sleep for the last 48 hours (I think) | 21:41 |
| NickDe | I've been hacking the 770 for a while now.. I am eager to get ssh/xterm on here so I can start looking around on it | 21:41 |
| kender | NickDe, question, the usb of the n800 is 1.1 or 2.0? | 21:42 |
| siti | can anyone send one over here ;) | 21:42 |
| NickDe | kender: don't know.. haven't checked it I've only had it for about 4 hours now | 21:42 |
| kender | hehe | 21:42 |
| siti | I had to do some crazy stuff just to get hold of a nokia 770 :( | 21:42 |
| NickDe | |TBB|: yes and now have an n800 | 21:42 |
| kender | NickDe, can you check it? | 21:42 |
| NickDe | I'm in RI.. I just walked into my compusa | 21:42 |
| NickDe | bought it | 21:42 |
| NickDe | walked out | 21:42 |
| |TBB| | what r the main advantages | 21:42 |
| NickDe | then 2 of my friends bought the last 2 | 21:42 |
| siti | twice as fast ;) | 21:42 |
| NickDe | kender: I can hold up | 21:42 |
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| NickDe | |TBB|: its very very snappy | 21:43 |
| NickDe | |TBB|: seems like the screen is real glass | 21:43 |
| NickDe | and wont mark as easy as the film on the 770 | 21:43 |
| qgil | sorry for keeping the OTs, they won't last more than 5 days: do you how long does it take to get an Internet connection in a home equipped with cable? Which provider should I contact? | 21:43 |
| MDK | qgil: depends on the area | 21:43 |
| Zmanu | keesj, and you can't help me ? | 21:43 |
| lle | qgil: welho.com | 21:44 |
| MDK | in most cases you can go to a market-like store (ie. stockmann), sign a paper, pickup welho kit and go home | 21:44 |
| MDK | at least that's how it worked for me | 21:44 |
| qgil | cool | 21:44 |
| MDK | 2mbps/512kbps is 25euro / month | 21:45 |
| pokute_ | Some people might like a ADSL connection, but those can take a long time to appear, unless you pay some ridicilous extra. | 21:45 |
| MDK | welho is nice since they give external ip's that have very long lifespan | 21:45 |
| pokute_ | qgil: Of course, welho requires cable tv connection. | 21:45 |
| MDK | at least mine haven't changed since I got it | 21:46 |
| MDK | (few months already) | 21:46 |
| qgil | I think I've got cable connection | 21:46 |
| |TBB| | mdk whats the thing on the upper left side it looks like an antenna | 21:46 |
| NickDe | |TBB|: camera | 21:47 |
| NickDe | kender: you still around? | 21:47 |
| kender | yes | 21:47 |
| tko | MDK, you can get a connection from nokia as well, though I don't know the terms and it's probably meant for working from home.. but go figure | 21:47 |
| * pahartik would probably get WCDMA or DOCSIS uplink while waiting for xDSL to be connected | 21:47 | |
| NickDe | I just plugged it into my laptop | 21:47 |
| |TBB| | the thing which stays left out? | 21:48 |
| kender | NickDe, nice | 21:48 |
| MDK | tko: yeah, true. "Home office" or something like that | 21:48 |
| MDK | though, I don't know anyone who has it | 21:48 |
| NickDe | usb 1-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 | 21:48 |
| NickDe | usb 1-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice | 21:48 |
| NickDe | scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices | 21:48 |
| NickDe | usb-storage: device found at 6 | 21:48 |
| NickDe | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning | 21:48 |
| NickDe | scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N800 0316 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 | 21:48 |
| NickDe | SCSI device sdc: 3970048 512-byte hdwr sectors (2033 MB) | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sdc: Write Protect is off | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sdc: Mode Sense: 0f 00 00 00 | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sdc: assuming drive cache: write through | 21:48 |
| NickDe | SCSI device sdc: 3970048 512-byte hdwr sectors (2033 MB) | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sdc: Write Protect is off | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sdc: Mode Sense: 0f 00 00 00 | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sdc: assuming drive cache: write through sdc: sdc1 | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdc | 21:48 |
| NickDe | sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 | 21:48 |
| NickDe | usb-storage: device scan complete | 21:48 |
| NickDe | shows up as usb storage?! | 21:48 |
| NickDe | /dev/sdc1 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /mnt/cdrom | 21:49 |
| pahartik | NickDe: flood | 21:49 |
| NickDe | I jsut mounted it | 21:49 |
| siti | yay for flood protection ;) | 21:49 |
| NickDe | to /mnt/cdrom | 21:49 |
| NickDe | but still it mounted the SDcard inside it | 21:49 |
| NickDe | hah | 21:49 |
| NickDe | I like how freenode wont allow a paste of proper legit output | 21:49 |
| pahartik | NickDe: try to avoid that | 21:49 |
| soothsay | pastebin.com | 21:49 |
| NickDe | pahartik: I'll blame freenode | 21:49 |
| pahartik | NickDe: FreeNode flooded channel for you... oh... I see | 21:50 |
| pokute_ | Auuugh! My signal to ratio sensors! | 21:50 |
| lle | sensor to ratio noise? | 21:51 |
| pokute_ | Signal to noise ratio sensors, even. - correction contributing to the noise... | 21:51 |
| |TBB| | is the performance much better as on the n770? | 21:51 |
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| NickDe | pahartik: it was just about 15 lines of the dmesg output from plugging in the n800 but according to freenode thats a flood.. | 21:51 |
| tko | hmm, does anyone have requests for talks at fosdem at guadec? :) | 21:51 |
| tko | fosdem or guadec, that is | 21:51 |
| MDK | tko: requests? | 21:51 |
| lle | tko: a thorough psychoanalysis of build system developers | 21:52 |
| tko | MDK, for us to have presentations about stuff people actually want to hear about | 21:52 |
| MDK | tko: "Sardine: the never-ending story" ;) | 21:52 |
| tko | gpl: the license we all love :) | 21:53 |
| MDK | hah | 21:54 |
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| |TBB| | nickde could uanswer my question? | 21:56 |
| NickDe | |TBB|: the performance is obviously snappier | 21:56 |
| NickDe | it boots faster | 21:56 |
| NickDe | more ram | 21:56 |
| NickDe | 128 megs to be exact | 21:57 |
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| |TBB| | in percent | 21:57 |
| siti | lol | 21:57 |
| siti | you measure performance like that :P | 21:57 |
| NickDe | all I can give you is my experience with it in the last 4 hours | 21:58 |
| NickDe | I haven't benchmarked the damn thing | 21:58 |
| |TBB| | do it, do it | 21:58 |
| MDK | NickDe: porn works | 21:58 |
| siti | startup time is a good start ;) | 21:58 |
| VRe | I wonder how big resolution mplayer can do on the new n800 | 21:58 |
| |TBB| | mdk lol | 21:59 |
| NickDe | MDK: of course :) | 21:59 |
| pokute_ | porn works always. | 21:59 |
| NickDe | I'm pretty sure that was the main focus of the engineering team | 21:59 |
| siti | NickDe: can you test the startup time? | 21:59 |
| MDK | heh | 21:59 |
| pokute_ | NickDe: Can you test the USB transfer speed? | 21:59 |
| NickDe | sure hold on | 22:00 |
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| NickDe | is there an easier way to actually test USB throughput? | 22:02 |
| kender | dunno | 22:03 |
| kender | hdparm? | 22:03 |
| mgedmin | I would just try to copy a large file with midnight commander and see what it shows | 22:03 |
| NickDe | I'll transfer some stuff with time | 22:03 |
| NickDe | hold on | 22:03 |
| NickDe | midnight commander? | 22:03 |
| NickDe | ... | 22:03 |
| siti | time bash -c 'cp BIGFILE /mnt/point && sync' | 22:03 |
| NickDe | yeah | 22:03 |
| NickDe | thats what I'm doing siti | 22:03 |
| siti | make sure you use sync ;) | 22:04 |
| NickDe | I dont use file managers much | 22:04 |
| siti | ok | 22:04 |
| mgedmin | dd also shows time and transfer speed | 22:04 |
| mgedmin | dd if=BIGFILE of=/mnt/point/whatever | 22:04 |
| NickDe | I am copying 334M | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | dd if=BIGFILE of=/mnt/point/whatever oflag=sync | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | even | 22:05 |
| NickDe | hold for results | 22:05 |
| jaebird | Does the N800 have an IR blaster? | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | no, conv=sync | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | no, oflag=sync | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | never used that stuff | 22:05 |
| lle | maybe even if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | 22:06 |
| |TBB| | mgedmin what do you excpect when the device is available in germany | 22:06 |
| NickDe | 334 megs in 1 min 3.124 seconds | 22:06 |
| mgedmin | after the official announcement | 22:06 |
| mgedmin | which is rumoured to come on monday | 22:06 |
| siti | is that for the n800? what about the 770 ;) | 22:06 |
| NickDe | n800 | 22:07 |
| |TBB| | will u buy it? | 22:07 |
| |TBB| | any1 using gaim on n770 | 22:08 |
| siti | I hope they sell it in outside of europe and USA | 22:08 |
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| mgedmin | I hope they sell it inside all of europe | 22:09 |
| siti | heh | 22:09 |
| mgedmin | s/hope/wish, but do not really expect/ | 22:09 |
| NickDe | hah now I have my 770 and n800 side by side charging | 22:09 |
| mgedmin | it's a race! | 22:09 |
| siti | heh | 22:09 |
| mgedmin | place your bets, gentlemen | 22:09 |
| siti | is the n800 battery better or the same as the 770? | 22:09 |
| mgedmin | same from what I heard | 22:10 |
| siti | ok | 22:10 |
| siti | so it might even have a little less battery life with the faster processor... | 22:10 |
| mgedmin | no CompUSA shops on this hemisphere, though :( | 22:10 |
| |TBB| | i cant delete or rename buddys | 22:10 |
| kender | thanks NickDe | 22:10 |
| NickDe | no prob | 22:10 |
| kender | someone could do the same that has done NickDe , but with the 770? | 22:11 |
| kender | hehe | 22:11 |
| * siti coughs now the startup test | 22:11 | |
| NickDe | time for me to play with this thing | 22:11 |
| kender | NickDe, :D | 22:11 |
| NickDe | actually I'll try that | 22:11 |
| NickDe | I just shut off my 770 | 22:11 |
| NickDe | one second I'll give you a rough estimate | 22:11 |
| |TBB| | how can i simulate a right click | 22:11 |
| kender | NickDe, ;-) | 22:11 |
| pokute_ | at more than 300 megs per minute the transfer speed seems faster than 770. | 22:12 |
| kender | |TBB|, touching the screen more than 1 second | 22:12 |
| NickDe | id say its about 3 seconds faster | 22:12 |
| siti | does the n800 support usb charging, it doesn't right? | 22:12 |
| siti | ok | 22:12 |
| NickDe | 3-4 | 22:12 |
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| jaebird | can the n800 be used as a remote? is there an ir transmitter in it? | 22:13 |
| NickDe | no ir | 22:13 |
| kender | NickDe, so, usb 1.1 too? | 22:13 |
| |TBB| | k, i was expected that, but i cant get a del/rename fuction for gaim | 22:13 |
| siti | tvs should come with bluetooth :( | 22:13 |
| jaebird | bummer | 22:13 |
| nomis | siti: build a bluetooth IR transmitter... :) | 22:13 |
| siti | heh | 22:13 |
| jaebird | or a wifi IR transmitter | 22:14 |
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| jaebird | it just seems silly not to include ir on something that would be so cool to use as a remote | 22:15 |
| shapr | Does anyone have the 6 digit CompUSA SKU number for the N800 handy? | 22:15 |
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| nok | which screen protector do you guys use? | 22:16 |
| shapr | from http://ringnokia.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/n80014.jpg it looks like 344047 ... is that correct? | 22:16 |
| kender | shapr, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9981902594.html | 22:17 |
| kender | 344047 | 22:18 |
| kender | correct | 22:18 |
| |TBB| | the gaim port guys wont care about rename and deleting buddys | 22:18 |
| kender | hehehe | 22:18 |
| shapr | kender: thanks | 22:18 |
| kender | shapr, ;-) | 22:18 |
| * pahartik briefly thought that "Gaim" was good on Maemo 2.1, but quickly got back to "X-chat" | 22:22 | |
| kender | hehe | 22:23 |
| |TBB| | i will do the same i think | 22:23 |
| |TBB| | but what i like on gaim is buddylist | 22:24 |
| pahartik | kender: I could not comprehend "Gaim" at all... with "X-chat" if one can use application on desktop workstation to set things up as expected and then copy configuration files to Maemo system... (many configuration dialogs cannot be accessed well enough to see them completely or to close them) | 22:27 |
| kender | I see | 22:27 |
| kender | pahartik, I can't tell you my opinion, I'm not nokia owner | 22:28 |
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| pahartik | kender: I am just sharing my brief observations :) | 22:29 |
| kender | yeah | 22:29 |
| kender | pahartik, perfect! | 22:29 |
| kender | :) | 22:29 |
| kender | I'll buy the n800, then, I'll tell you mines | 22:29 |
| kender | ;-) | 22:29 |
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| kender | bye | 22:30 |
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| shapr | Cool, my local store has four N800s in stock. | 22:32 |
| shapr | Now if only my bank account had the price of one in stock... | 22:32 |
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| siti | lol | 22:32 |
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| * pahartik was about to ask something about Nokia N800 but swiftly forgot what it was | 22:38 | |
| Zmanu | nobody speak yet about 770 :/ | 22:38 |
| |tbb| | how can i auto set password and join channels with xchat on maemo | 22:39 |
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| shapr | Zmanu: I have a 770, and I like it! | 22:40 |
| Zmanu | cool | 22:40 |
| shapr | My 770 has been in my hands for one year and two days. | 22:40 |
| Zmanu | shapr, you have yet install scratchbox with armel ? | 22:40 |
| shapr | Though today it reboots very often >:-( | 22:41 |
| soothsay | topic | 22:41 |
| soothsay | .topic | 22:41 |
| Zmanu | why is it reboot very often ? | 22:41 |
| shapr | I don't know. | 22:41 |
| pahartik | |tbb|: password for channel, IRC server or IRC network? | 22:42 |
| shapr | The voice chat part of Google Talk is causing problems. | 22:42 |
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| Zmanu | me i have a problem with sbox-config -st | 22:42 |
| Zmanu | when i'm log in one, it don't want to log in another :/ | 22:44 |
| |tbb| | damn ive oppend the url grabber window but there iss no way to close it | 22:44 |
| |tbb| | btw password for the nick | 22:45 |
| Zmanu | bbl | 22:45 |
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| pahartik | |tbb|: next time do not open it :) | 22:45 |
| |tbb| | it seems every port has his problems | 22:46 |
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| |tbb| | lol every window u will open u will not ale to cose it with xchat | 22:49 |
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| pahartik | |tbb|: I got used to it within ~1 week | 22:50 |
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| |tbb| | damn that is very unuseable | 22:52 |
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| pahartik | |tbb|: IRC proxy helps | 22:55 |
| |tbb| | helps for what? | 22:57 |
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| pahartik | |tbb|: nobody on IRC networks would notice if my palmtop device exploded, laptop was stolen and desktop workstation crashed... :) | 22:57 |
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| pahartik | |tbb|: except for maybe noticing that I was quite irritated by those things happening | 23:01 |
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| pahartik | |tbb|: just trying to say that limitations and bugs of one IRC client does not have big effect on IRC session | 23:04 |
| |tbb| | could someone send me a priv msg, iwould like to know if i get a audio signal | 23:06 |
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| |tbb| | k it wont ring | 23:13 |
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| shapr | Will the N800 SD slot support SDHC cards? Or only SD? | 23:26 |
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| |tbb| | paharatik, if u want to know how to close additional window on xchat port just hit the hw key over the menu hw key | 23:27 |
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| |tbb| | over 2 seconds | 23:28 |
| shapr | I've found 8GB SDHC cards listed, and they claim to not be backwards compatible with SD slots. Does anyone know whether the N800 supports both SD and SDHC? | 23:28 |
| keesj | shapr, link? | 23:29 |
| |tbb| | i would like to see a ctrl+c button | 23:30 |
| shapr | keesj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_digital#SD_and_SDHC_-_compatibility | 23:31 |
| shapr | "Devices that do not specifically support SD2.0/SDHC do not recognize SDHC memory cards." | 23:32 |
| jtokash2 | shapr, I was just wondering that myself | 23:32 |
| shapr | Thus my question whether the N800 supports SDHC. | 23:32 |
| jtokash2 | you can get a 4gb for less than $100 on newegg | 23:32 |
| jtokash2 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=7&N=2010070068+1053107930+1053313500&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=68 | 23:32 |
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| shapr | On the good side, if the N800 does support SDHC in both slots, I look forward to having an N800 with 64GB of storage. | 23:33 |
| shapr | 32GB SDHC cards are not available yet, but that's the limit of the format. | 23:33 |
| pahartik | |tbb|: oh, holding <Esc> down for moment helps... that is good | 23:34 |
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| jtokash | I wasn't able to get canola and maemo mapper installed on my n800. Does anyone have those working on the n800? | 23:37 |
| tigert | yeah, holding the "esc" (the key over menu" for a bit closes the current window | 23:37 |
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| tigert | jtokash: what was the problem? | 23:37 |
| florian | good morning | 23:38 |
| jtokash | dependancy problems - the dependancies weren't there | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | shapr: from this: http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=41 I think sdhc aren't supported, but will be eventually | 23:38 |
| tigert | jtokash: try installing debconf from terminal, if that satisfies deps | 23:38 |
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| pahartik | tigert: I have just avoided opening windows I cannot close... :) | 23:38 |
| siti | mmmh 64GB ;) | 23:38 |
| tigert | anyway, time to sleep | 23:39 |
| tigert | jtokash: in any case, running apt-get from terminal gives you more options | 23:39 |
| tigert | jtokash: as application installer is more strict on what it does | 23:39 |
| tigert | it does not ever uninstall anything to satisfy dependencies as far as I know | 23:39 |
| tigert | so it bails out easier than commandline apt | 23:39 |
| tigert | so its always good to see if the same works from terminal | 23:40 |
| tigert | it just plays safe :) | 23:40 |
| tigert | but time to sleep, night! | 23:40 |
| jtokash | tigert, thanks for the info | 23:41 |
| tigert | np | 23:41 |
| jtokash | I'll follow Disconnect's xterm install instructions and then do as you say | 23:41 |
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| shapr | mgedmin: So the answer as I see it is "If the N800 has hardware/controller that's SD2.0 compatible, cards of up to 2TB will work if the software side (Linux) supports that." | 23:47 |
| shapr | So the question is down to whether the N800 has SDHC (aka SD 2.0) hardware, right? | 23:49 |
| shapr | Does anyone know the answer to that? | 23:49 |
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| keesj | it sounds so normal "cards of up to 2TB" | 23:52 |
| * shapr grins | 23:55 | |
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| shapr | keesj: I'd be okay with one single card of 1TB | 23:55 |
| shapr | That would hold my entire music collection! | 23:55 |
| shapr | ... | 23:55 |
| shapr | And all my friends' music too! | 23:56 |
| |tbb| | plz anyone send pm to me | 23:56 |
| |tbb| | pm =priv msg | 23:59 |
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