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| * Jaffa mutters at apps like Maemo Stars being GPL-derived but with no source; especially since he can't get Hildonisation of libglade-using apps working :-( | 01:43 | |
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| Jaffa | Aha, sorted it: http://www.bleb.org/software/770/netsurf-002.png | 02:59 |
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| pixelmonkey | I can't get flasher-2.0 to recognize my new Nokia 770 from Linux... it just says no suitable USB device found. Any ideas? | 03:48 |
| pixelmonkey | I see it in dmesg (Nokia 770 shows up), but it's not listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices | 03:50 |
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| pixelmonkey | oh I see, I need to power on while pressing home button. Sorry about that, didn't read | 03:55 |
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| jtokash2 | For what it's worth, I ran google reader through a proxy while using minimo and the delays when switching between feeds isn't network traffic. | 06:29 |
| jtokash2 | *aren't | 06:29 |
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| saispo | hi | 09:05 |
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| saispo | anyone have problem with the internal speaker ? | 09:36 |
| tigert | what kind of? | 09:41 |
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| saispo | re | 11:38 |
| saispo | tigert: no sound out of the speaker | 11:38 |
| saispo | and i don't say if it's hardware or not :x | 11:38 |
| tigert | and its not muted? :) | 11:42 |
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| saispo | tigert: no :x | 11:51 |
| saispo | maybe a module not loaded or other no ? | 11:51 |
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| saispo | tigert: no idea ? | 11:59 |
| saispo | the headphones work but not the speaker | 12:00 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:01 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:01 |
| tigert | hmm | 12:32 |
| tigert | it could of course be just a broken speaker too | 12:32 |
| tigert | if phones work okay | 12:32 |
| tigert | but I don't know | 12:33 |
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| * Jaffa 's porting ArcEm which is native X, what's the best way to full screen it (given that's probably the best use case): make the X window fullscreen (how?); or embed the X Window somehow (GtkSocket?) in a HildonWindow? | 13:28 | |
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| ssvb | Jaffa, you can have a look at my code vo_nokia770.c module for mplayer: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libvo/vo_nokia770.c?root=mplayer&view=markup | 13:52 |
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| ssvb | check X11 helper functions which initialize a window and can switch it fullscreen and back | 13:53 |
| ssvb | don't know if it is the best method though, also it borrows some code from other mplayer modules, so it is covered by GPL license | 13:54 |
| ssvb | Jaffa, also right now I'm tweaking this code in order to have some icon appear in taskbar and be able to switch to other applications and back | 13:59 |
| ssvb | Jaffa, everything seems to work except I can't figure out why console mplayer executable entry appears in extras menu though I don't want it :) | 14:00 |
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| Jaffa | ssvb: heh, cool | 14:17 |
| tko | ssvb, there's an executable in application installer package (I think) you can call in your package postinst to let the user pick where to put the entry | 14:29 |
| * Jaffa managed to get the NetSurf small, lean browser port started last night: http://bleb.org/software/770/netsurf-002.png - Glade fun, I'm so proud ;-) | 14:44 | |
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| koen | Jaffa: netsurf uses its own engine? | 14:45 |
| Jaffa | koen: yep, written from scratch. | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | Although it doesn't support JavaScript (and currently no plans to). Imagine it as a more modern version of Dillo | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ | 14:46 |
| ssvb | tko, the problem is that I don't want it appear in the menu at all, I have created a .desktop entry, but did not make a link to it in /etc/others-menu | 14:50 |
| tko | err, if you don't want it in the menu why write the .desktop file? | 14:52 |
| ssvb | tko, it is mplayer commandline binary, it can create x11 window for video output so I want its icon to appear in taskbar after it is launched | 14:53 |
| ssvb | so that after user switches to other applications, it can switch back to it | 14:53 |
| ssvb | but it is useless to have a menu entry for mplayer binary, as it does not do anything without proper commandline switches | 14:54 |
| tko | I've forgotten how much of this applies to 2006, but there should be a icon for each window, and if you set the _NET_WM_ICON (or whatever) window property the app itself can decice what that icon is, so no need for .desktop files | 14:56 |
| tko | OTOH .desktop files also could have NoDisplay=true, though I'm not sure we support that | 14:57 |
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| ssvb | tko, thanks for all the hints, right now I 'solved' the problem by setting _WM_CLASS to 'video-player' and borrowing standard video player icon :) | 15:38 |
| ssvb | tko, I did not try setting _NET_WM_ICON yet as it seems to be somewhat more complicated. Is it a requirement to have some icon for a window to have it appear in a taskbar? Or .desktop file is mandatory for this? Unfortunately I don't have much time to experiment with icons as I have some other things in my todo list | 15:43 |
| ssvb | ... for 'mplayer Christmas edition' :) | 15:45 |
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| Jaffa | tko: should it be possible to just set _NET_WM_ICON and get a task navigator entry, then? | 15:51 |
| tko | normal freedesktop things should just work, but I'm sure there's variety of bugs | 16:01 |
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| Jaffa | Yay: http://bleb.org/photos/show.html?id=ZH4rD0n :) | 17:02 |
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| saispo | hi | 17:11 |
| saispo | how can i see if speaker is correctly activate under the system ? | 17:12 |
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| saispo | [ 3.216613] headphone (GPIO 14) is now disconnected | 17:24 |
| saispo | [ 3.216735] speaker (GPIO 58) is now disconnected | 17:24 |
| saispo | it's normal in the dmesg ? | 17:24 |
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| kender | hello | 18:19 |
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| mlpug | is apache-php available for ITOS2006 somewhere ready-to-use or does one have to compile it? | 18:41 |
| kender | apache? | 18:46 |
| kender | in the nokia 770? | 18:46 |
| tko | there was some more lightweight http server advertised a long time ago, dunno about php. can't recall the name right now | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | cherokee? | 18:47 |
| tko | sounds about right | 18:48 |
| * mgedmin hasn't actually tried it, but English grammar errors in the documentation didn't leave a good impression | 18:49 | |
| Robot101 | it does fastcgi, so it can talk to a seperate php instance | 18:53 |
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| ssvb | I recently noticed a news about xavante port to maemo at luaforge.net : http://luaforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1037 | 18:54 |
| suihkulokki | mgedmin: it could just be that nobody in cherokee team is native english speaker.. | 18:55 |
| ssvb | did not try it, but looks like it is a lightweight web server with lua scripting support | 18:55 |
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| * mgedmin is dreaming about video over usb ... things like connecting a projector to the 770 for presentations | 19:10 | |
| desrt | Robot101; bzzt. | 19:26 |
| tko | mgedmin, I'd like to see it work with laptops first :) | 19:26 |
| desrt | tko; boop | 19:26 |
| Robot101 | desrt: bzzt? | 19:26 |
| desrt | Robot101; just a friendly bzzt | 19:26 |
| Robot101 | meep | 19:27 |
| * Robot101 is playing with his E60 and freeswitch | 19:27 | |
| Robot101 | they're not playing yet | 19:27 |
| desrt | i don't know what either of these things are :) | 19:27 |
| desrt | ok. now i know. | 19:28 |
| Robot101 | phone that does SIP, voip switch that can do gtalk calls | 19:33 |
| Robot101 | so I can unite my worlds, and pointlessly call between my E60 and my 770 | 19:33 |
| Robot101 | :D | 19:33 |
| desrt | what's the deal with nokia and the 770? | 19:33 |
| Robot101 | how do you mean deal? | 19:34 |
| desrt | i can't even find it on their site | 19:34 |
| desrt | and i have yet to see a single non-opensource-geek carrying one | 19:34 |
| Robot101 | yeah? it was linked off the front page recently | 19:34 |
| Robot101 | some N70 w/ a 770 deal | 19:35 |
| * koen likes the 6021 + 770 combo | 19:35 | |
| Robot101 | and yeah I don't think it's been marketed heavily | 19:35 |
| desrt | 6021 has bluetooth? | 19:36 |
| koen | bluetooth + edge | 19:36 |
| desrt | holy crap | 19:36 |
| desrt | it's an update of the 6020? | 19:36 |
| koen | dunno | 19:36 |
| koen | nokia numbers are voodoo | 19:36 |
| desrt | it is. | 19:36 |
| Robot101 | in general, nokia.com/xxx works :) | 19:36 |
| * Robot101 likes the 6233 and 6234 | 19:36 | |
| desrt | the 6020 is my absolute favourite nokia phone ever except that it didn't have bluetooth | 19:36 |
| desrt | the 6021 is exactly the same form factor, but with bluetooth | 19:36 |
| desrt | i just might have to get a phone.... | 19:37 |
| Robot101 | a pretty spiffily updated 6230 w/ 3G and such like | 19:37 |
| * mgedmin likes the 6125 | 19:37 | |
| koen | small phone + 770 + laptop | 19:37 |
| koen | ideal 3 tier configuration | 19:37 |
| desrt | the only downer is that gsm data plans absolutely suck in my country | 19:38 |
| desrt | like.. the best plan is $95/mo with 25MB download and $7/MB for over that | 19:42 |
| timeless | ping | 19:50 |
| timeless | anyone here have a gmail account? | 19:50 |
| kender | me | 19:56 |
| kender | timeless, what do you want? | 19:57 |
| timeless | can you use gmail w/ your device? | 19:57 |
| kender | timeless, I haven't got the device, I'm waiting till the new device features apears, to decide something | 19:59 |
| kender | to buy the new or the old one | 19:59 |
| kender | sorry | 19:59 |
| * timeless coughs | 19:59 | |
| timeless | ignore me while i cry elsewhere | 19:59 |
| kender | timeless, with minimo...I suppose, yes | 19:59 |
| timeless | yeah, it works, /almost/ | 19:59 |
| kender | with opera, no | 19:59 |
| kender | timeless, nice to know that | 20:00 |
| timeless | opera used to work, even last week | 20:00 |
| timeless | i can't log out w/ opera anymore :( | 20:00 |
| kender | with ajax interface? | 20:00 |
| timeless | it used to work, yes. but i switched to using html because the features rich gave me, the overhead wasn't worth it | 20:01 |
| kender | I see | 20:01 |
| timeless | the main reason to use rich ime is for search results | 20:02 |
| timeless | gmail doesn't remember searches in non rich when you click a message | 20:02 |
| timeless | but w/ the browser on the device, i just use the <esc> button which takes me back a page (to search results) | 20:02 |
| kender | oh | 20:03 |
| timeless | fwiw, camino/firefox/seamonkey (trunk) on os x 10.3 can't use rich view either atm | 20:07 |
| timeless | so it's not like i'm just speaking from using opera on the device | 20:07 |
| kender | I didn't know it | 20:07 |
| timeless | https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ | 20:07 |
| timeless | easy enough url to type | 20:08 |
| timeless | (and i have to type it on my mac, since i get infinite slow script dialogs otherwise) | 20:08 |
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| littlefae | Slightly off topic, but I am a regular to this room, relatively.. Is there a room on this server I can ask some 'dumb' Windows XP q's? I ask you lot, because I know you, and most of you are techie | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | littlefae: a channel search gives me ##windows | 20:37 |
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| minra | greets... | 20:38 |
| minra | ive been spending hours and hours trying to get a film compressed for nokia... but even when i crank the bitrate down to 360, i get cpu overload during camera pans and high motion | 20:39 |
| minra | i need to find a way to limit max bitrate, but the ladvpcodec doesnt have a max bitrate option, id need to use a different codec than the one 770-encode.pl uses | 20:39 |
| littlefae | Best results I ever got, were, using QuickTime 7, compressing to MPEG-4, with 512kbps max bitrate at 320x240, if that helps? | 20:40 |
| minra | using mencoder? | 20:40 |
| littlefae | No, QuickTime 7 | 20:40 |
| littlefae | I'm a mac user by default | 20:41 |
| minra | and what player? | 20:41 |
| littlefae | The built in player. | 20:41 |
| minra | ah ok, that is interesting... a nice high bitrate too | 20:41 |
| minra | the builtin media player uses the 770 dsp afaict | 20:41 |
| minra | which mplayer does not | 20:42 |
| littlefae | The only issue I had, was it took a fantastic amount of time from pressing 'play' to it actually displaying, but once it started was fine | 20:42 |
| minra | thanks for the tip, ill try mediaplayer right now. | 20:42 |
| minra | encoding laurence olivier`s hamlet... quite the classic | 20:42 |
| minra | trying mediaplayer | 20:42 |
| littlefae | If it makes a difference, I used simple-profile MPEG-4 | 20:42 |
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| minra | ahh videoplayer doesnt do 400x240 resolution apparently | 20:46 |
| desrt | so uhm. i just installed scratchbox | 20:47 |
| desrt | i got this during the installation: | 20:47 |
| desrt | User desrt added. | 20:47 |
| desrt | Registering Scratchbox binary formats: done. | 20:47 |
| desrt | Mounting Scratchbox directories: /scratchbox/users/desrt/scratchbox/dev/pts: No such file or directory | 20:47 |
| desrt | done. | 20:47 |
| desrt | and now when i try to login: ERROR: Scratchbox dir '/scratchbox/users/desrt//scratchbox/tools/bin' is missing! | 20:47 |
| minra | well i need to order another rsmmc card and get the multiboot working | 20:47 |
| minra | hi desrt, i am trying to remember what pts is... like a tty iirc | 20:48 |
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| minra | so it seems to be expecting a pts device for your console... or somthing | 20:48 |
| desrt | minra; it's a pseudoterminal | 20:49 |
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| desrt | minra; since a while ago /dev/pts contains the slave end of pseudoterminal devices | 20:49 |
| desrt | it's a special filesystem where devices magically come and go as they're created | 20:50 |
| minra | ah | 20:50 |
| desrt | the problem is that my /scratchbox/users/desrt/scratchbox directory is entirely empty | 20:50 |
| minra | well why is bin created under your username? | 20:50 |
| desrt | so it has heither dev/pts or tools/bin | 20:50 |
| minra | just making conversation until somebody smart shows up... | 20:51 |
| desrt | i think scratchbox creates a separate little world for each user | 20:51 |
| minra | aha... | 20:51 |
| desrt | it's all a bit confusing | 20:51 |
| minra | what system are you running scratchbox under? | 20:51 |
| desrt | edgy | 20:51 |
| desrt | i already had to work around a bug in the install scripts | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | desrt: have you logged out after installing scratchbox? | 20:52 |
| desrt | they start out #!/bin/sh but then use bash syntax | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | you need to do that so that the group addition takes effect | 20:52 |
| desrt | mgedmin; not really, but that's not the problem | 20:52 |
| desrt | mgedmin; i just did 'sudo su - desrt' | 20:52 |
| desrt | so i'm in the group | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | ah ok | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | edgy here, scratchbox works | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | but I installed it while I still had dapper | 20:53 |
| desrt | what's in your /scratchbox/users/$USER/scratchbox directory? | 20:53 |
| desrt | or is it a symlink? | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | it is a bind mount | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | /scratchbox on /scratchbox/users/mg/scratchbox type none (rw,bind) | 20:53 |
| desrt | nice. | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | /scratchbox/login mounts it | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | iirc | 20:53 |
| desrt | weird. | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | also | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | /dev/pts on /scratchbox/users/mg/scratchbox/dev/pts type none (rw,bind) | 20:54 |
| desrt | ya... | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | maybe /scratchbox | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | um, bad <enter> here | 20:56 |
| desrt | i'm looking at the scripts this thing uses | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | maybe you need to runsudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start | 20:56 |
| desrt | i did that | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | then I give up | 20:56 |
| desrt | that's the part that's failing :) | 20:56 |
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| minra | AARGH.. KILL STAB MAIM | 20:57 |
| minra | i keep crashing opera... i suspect some interaction with the bluetooth device driver | 20:57 |
| minra | either clicking the text entry url box, or clicking on a link | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | opera is moody | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | sometimes it crashes if I look at it wrong | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | minimo, please mature faster! | 20:58 |
| desrt | i wonder if i have too many mounts on my system or something :) | 20:58 |
| kender | scratchbox, stable or legacy, what to download? | 20:59 |
| minra | how many opera windows do you limit yourself to? ii have swap on mmc enabled, and usually endup with 4-5 browser windows | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | I try to limit myself to 1 | 21:00 |
| kender | swap on the mmc? that must be so bad for the mmc card, doesn't it? | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | perhaps | 21:00 |
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| minra | ssvb MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.1 | 21:01 |
| ssvb | try 1.0rc1-maemo.5, it has better performance | 21:01 |
| desrt | something is very wrong with my computer | 21:02 |
| minra | thanks. i broke my local database so i cant apt-get anymore | 21:02 |
| minra | btw if you scp to your N770 use scp -c blowfish, its faster | 21:03 |
| desrt | mgedmin; the answer: my /etc/mtab had fallen out of date | 21:04 |
| minra | ssvb do you use the 770-encode script? | 21:04 |
| desrt | mgedmin; so scratchbox thought that /users/desrt/scratchbox was already mounted | 21:04 |
| ssvb | minra, the latest version with hardware YUV colorspace support (this is what improves performance a lot) is still not in garage repository, it should be installed from .deb file: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54 | 21:04 |
| stealth | not sure if this is a 770 question but im just thinking of possibilities for it .. say i have at my house a server with a modem and land line (pstn) and also the internet via high speed, 770 has wifi and all.. say i would be to connect sip and switch over to pstn? any ideas how i could do this hehe | 21:04 |
| desrt | mgedmin; so it wasn't mounting it anymore | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 21:04 |
| desrt | very evil :) | 21:04 |
| desrt | it ought to use /proc/mounts instead | 21:05 |
| ssvb | minra: I use this script sometimes | 21:05 |
| minra | desrt, more easily solved than something seriously wrong with the 770 | 21:05 |
| minra | :) | 21:05 |
| * desrt has softbricked his 770 a number of times :( | 21:05 | |
| mgedmin | stealth: you can probably do that with asterisk | 21:05 |
| desrt | i wish there was a way to recover a 770 other than to flash the rootfs | 21:05 |
| stealth | good, i had that in the back of my head | 21:05 |
| stealth | own | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | if you find software for the 770 that can connect to an arbitrary sip server | 21:05 |
| * mgedmin actually knows nearly nothing about asterisk or voip | 21:06 | |
| stealth | what gui tool kit is used for it? | 21:06 |
| desrt | sigh. now creating processes has become dog-slow | 21:07 |
| * desrt reboots | 21:07 | |
| desrt | that was odd. | 21:10 |
| desrt | something happened that was making processes start slowly on the rest of my system | 21:10 |
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| desrt | oh well. gives me an excuse to relogin to add myself to sbox group! :D | 21:11 |
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| minra | wow ssvb.... | 21:15 |
| desrt | yay. life is good. | 21:16 |
| desrt | erm. what do i type inside of my armle scratchbox to bring up the environment attached to :2? | 21:17 |
| ssvb | minra, did you install the latest version of mplayer already, has your movie playback improved? | 21:20 |
| desrt | woh. there's a gnu on my panel! | 21:21 |
| ssvb | minra, lots of motion and panning is heavy for video decoding (both for mplayer and builtin player), it may cause problems even on low bitrates | 21:22 |
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| minra | ssvb amazing! new mplayer runs the black and white video with no pauses | 21:35 |
| minra | i filtered out all chroma, and then also specified grey in the encoding | 21:35 |
| minra | THANK YOU | 21:35 |
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| kender | somebody has installed th scratchbox from debian packages? | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | I have | 21:40 |
| kender | and, where is the run_me_first.sh script? | 21:40 |
| kender | I run, adduser, and it says that I haven't run the run_me_first.sh | 21:41 |
| kender | :S | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | didn't happen to me | 21:41 |
| kender | mm.. | 21:41 |
| kender | I'm ubuntu user, may be that can be the problem? | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | I use ubuntu (edgy) | 21:42 |
| kender | me too | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | I installed sbox 0.9.8 debs from scratchbox.org | 21:42 |
| kender | me too | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | ran sudo adduser mg sbox | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | ran sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser mg | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | ran newgrp sbox | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | and in its subshell could use /scratchbox/login | 21:42 |
| kender | mg? | 21:43 |
| kender | xD | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | my username | 21:43 |
| kender | I see | 21:43 |
| kender | I'll try | 21:43 |
| kender | thanks | 21:43 |
| kender | adduser: El grupo `sbox' no existe. | 21:44 |
| kender | sbox group doesn't exist | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | that's interesting; the deb package creates it in its postinst script | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | or used to | 21:44 |
| kender | :S | 21:45 |
| kender | Desempaquetando el reemplazo de scratchbox-core ... | 21:45 |
| kender | [: 41: ==: unexpected operator | 21:45 |
| kender | [: 41: ==: unexpected operator | 21:45 |
| kender | Configurando scratchbox-core (0.9.8.8) ... | 21:45 |
| kender | [: 30: ==: unexpected operator | 21:45 |
| kender | [: 30: ==: unexpected operator | 21:45 |
| kender | Registering Scratchbox binary formats: done. | 21:45 |
| kender | Mounting Scratchbox directories: ls: /scratchbox/users/: No existe el fichero รณ directorio | 21:45 |
| kender | done. | 21:45 |
| kender | that, could be the problem | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | aha! | 21:45 |
| kender | a bad sintax in some places | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | your /bin/sh is a POSIX shell, but the scratchbox postinst script assumes it is bash | 21:45 |
| kender | oh | 21:46 |
| kender | yes | 21:46 |
| kender | hehee | 21:46 |
| kender | dash | 21:46 |
| kender | ubuntu edgy | 21:46 |
| kender | hehe | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | I installed scratchbox when I still had dapper | 21:46 |
| kender | oh | 21:46 |
| kender | I see | 21:46 |
| kender | If I change the ln in /bin/sh ? | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | you can switch the /bin/sh symlink to point to /bin/bash, and then apt-get install --reinstall scratchbox-core | 21:46 |
| kender | yep | 21:46 |
| kender | hehee | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | or just apt-get remove dash | 21:47 |
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| kender | do you think that dash is a bad shell? | 21:47 |
| kender | now , yes , it works | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | dash is a good, fast shell | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | the bug is in scratchbox's scripts | 21:49 |
| kender | ok, thanks | 21:49 |
| kender | I haven't got the nokia by now, but, I want to try the interface and everything, is a good idea what I'm doing? | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | scratchbox won't give you an idea of the interface | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | all the proprietary apps are missing (which means all of them) | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | and the theme is different from the real device | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | not to mention screen dpi mismatch | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | and different intput methods | 21:54 |
| kender | oh | 21:54 |
| minra | does it make sense to port apps to mistral, or should us newbies install sirrocco? | 21:54 |
| kender | I see | 21:54 |
| kender | well, I'll try it anyway | 21:55 |
| kender | hehehe | 21:55 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:56 |
| kender | kender@Cosmos:/scratchbox$ ./login | 22:00 |
| kender | ERROR: You don't have permission to run '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid'. | 22:00 |
| kender | Maybe you have not logged out and in again after being added to sbox group. | 22:00 |
| kender | mgedmin, ? | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | kender: maybe you have not logged out and in again after being added to sbox group? | 22:01 |
| kender | mm. | 22:01 |
| kender | oh | 22:01 |
| kender | logged out of the real shell? | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | yes | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | that's the way Unix groups work: you get access to a number of groups during login | 22:02 |
| kender | yes | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | newgrp is an alternative to logging out and logging in | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | it gives you access to extra groups for the duration of a subshell session (for processes running within that subshell only) | 22:03 |
| kender | ah | 22:06 |
| kender | nice to know | 22:06 |
| ssvb | tko, maybe you know, is there a simple way to ask X server to redraw everything? | 22:10 |
| ssvb | i can try to create a fullscreen window and destroy it immediately, but that's not very nice :) | 22:11 |
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| desrt | so uh... does anyone know why it takes so long to change the background image? :) | 22:11 |
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| minra | i need to share my theme with you... it is so purty | 22:12 |
| minra | btw all the apps are crap... | 22:12 |
| minra | and we also need transparent xchat, and xterm | 22:12 |
| minra | to see the pretty girl behind the text | 22:12 |
| minra | and believe you me, i have a background image, that will earn your respect (imade it)o | 22:13 |
| mgedmin | minra: screenshots! | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | desrt: I always assumed it was the puny 770's cpu scaling the image that took so long | 22:16 |
| minra | ok will do | 22:16 |
| desrt | it's not that puny | 22:17 |
| minra | i forgot the website of the free image hosting | 22:17 |
| minra | ah imageshack | 22:17 |
| minra | http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1681/kimwickerfractmednokia2ki2.jpg | 22:20 |
| desrt | is that meant to be a background image? | 22:21 |
| minra | the nokia 770... we can make it rule... | 22:21 |
| minra | and sony sells a competitor for two thousand dollars | 22:21 |
| minra | lol | 22:21 |
| desrt | have you noticed that the sony thing is exceptionally ugly? | 22:22 |
| tko | ssvb, eh, why? | 22:28 |
| tko | desrt, changing backgrounds does a little bit blending.. though as I recall most of the time is spent in png compression... | 22:30 |
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| desrt | ok.. but seriously? | 23:39 |
| desrt | it's a 600x400 png image and a 200mhz processor | 23:39 |
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| desrt | nobody could cause me to believe that that would even take 1 seconds, nevermind the 10 seconds it takes | 23:40 |
| desrt | the device is capable of full screen video playback | 23:40 |
| tko | feel free to use a profiler and prove me wrong | 23:43 |
| desrt | i can prove you wrong by rebooting | 23:45 |
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| desrt | it takes less time for the desktop to come up than it does to change the image | 23:45 |
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| mgedmin | maybe because it doesn't compress any .png files during boot time? | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | only decompresses one | 23:46 |
| tko | doing less usually makes things faster | 23:46 |
| desrt | it _compresses_ a png file when you set a png file as your desktop image? | 23:47 |
| * mgedmin wonders if he understood tko correctly: when you change the background, maemo makes a copy of the image, scales it, and converts it to .png | 23:47 | |
| desrt | that's just silly | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, it also composits it with the titlebar and dropshadows etc. | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | ^mgedmin: | 23:48 |
| desrt | that's very slightly less silly | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | aha! | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | that's why on boot I see the title bar and everything, but the task navigator area is blank white | 23:48 |
| desrt | Jaffa; ok. makes sense. thanks for the answer :) | 23:48 |
| * desrt would guess that that's also why changing themes takes a while | 23:49 | |
| Jaffa | Yup | 23:49 |
| * Jaffa isn't sure it's the best design, but it's got the benefit of speed of rendering as long as you don't change theme or background image regularly. | 23:50 | |
| desrt | it is true. | 23:50 |
| * Jaffa wonders who *did* design it, it'd be interesting to know some of the design decisioning behind it. tko? | 23:52 | |
| tko | the titlebar graphics, task navigator and statusbar alpha blending .. whether it's clearly visible depends on theme | 23:54 |
| desrt | hmm | 23:55 |
| desrt | they've done some neat hacks in the 770 | 23:55 |
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