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jtokashHave any of you had luck with getting the normal Google Reader UI to work on the 770?  It hangs for half a minute in minimo and opera whenever I switch feeds.00:31
TakA lot of the google web app stuff is resource-intensive on the client side00:35
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Takhave you tried the maemo rss reader?  (I haven't)00:49
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minragotsomecoolscreenshots01:09
Takcoolwillyousharethem?01:12
minrasorry space bar glitch01:13
minrajust hosted one on imageshack01:13
minrabut then opera crashed while hilighting the url01:13
minrarehosting01:13
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jtokashTak, no I haven't tried.01:23
jtokashI don't think there is a way to import all your subscriptions at once, which is a showstopper for me01:24
minradoes anybody have an updated "distro" with installed apps?  i hosed my apt cache01:26
minrawould be nice to just dump something real fresh on with flasher01:26
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minraok here it is Tak: http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4880/tomemaemo1ut0.jpg01:28
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minraheres how Star Control 2 will look: http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6876/uqmmaemo1gx4.jpg01:41
Disconnectjtokash: afaik it can import opml (or at worst you can copy the opml in somewhere by hand)01:47
* Disconnect doesn't use it cuz gregarius (gregarius.net) gathers all the goodies for me regardless of where I am. with none of the arbitrary limits of google and such.01:47
minradoes maemo-browser have a toggle somewhere that disables displaying images?01:47
minrai have no images on websites anymore, and its not in preferences01:48
pahartikminra: Menu -> View -> Show images01:50
minraahhh ty01:51
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jtokashDisconnect: I used to use gregarius religiously.  I made the 'frames' theme.01:59
Disconnectahh cool :)01:59
jtokashI'll probably switch back if I can't find a way to get reader to work better.01:59
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jtokashDisconnect, yeah, I've been begging the gregarius team to integrate ajax, but they want to get multi-user working first02:12
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minraboy, xchat needs more work... theres no way to close the ignore list window02:34
minraalso no way to close the dcc receive window02:34
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jtokashA synergy client for the 770 would rule.02:39
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minrathere is a synergy, but it seems to be for sirocco02:41
minrasynergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb02:41
jtokashawesome.  I'm running sirocco.02:42
Disconnectjtokash: given its described with AJAX on their front page.. (and IIRC it used to be billed as an AJAX app..) sigh. keep looking at others, but I'm too lazy to convert my db over :)02:43
jtokashDisconnect: Gregarius's use of AJAX is very limited.02:44
jtokashmoving between feeds causes a full reload and new feed items are not downloaded when you scroll to the bottom of a page.02:44
Disconnectyah02:52
Disconnectthats kinda my point :)02:52
* jtokash must learn to read.02:52
Disconnectheh02:54
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minrai lost my imageshack link when xchat crashed03:12
minraanybody have the url still in scrollback?03:12
jtokashhttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4880/tomemaemo1ut0.jpg03:13
minraty ty03:13
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jtokashOne applet I haven't been able to find is the one in the lower left of this screenshot: http://synthesize.us/Image:shot-2006-10-30-14-44-01.png04:12
jtokashLists the ip address and other network related data04:12
jtokashoops, found it04:15
jtokashsorry for the spam04:15
Disconnectiphome04:15
jtokashthanks04:15
Disconnect(timing is everything04:15
jtokashWhile I'm asking stupid questions: I can't get the sirocco thumb keyboard to come up no matter what I do.  What's the trick?04:16
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jtokashDarn, Application Manager says iphome is an incompatible package.04:23
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jtokashFYI, when I had trouble installing iphome earlier, rebooting the 770 fixed the problem.08:50
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|tbb|hi all09:21
jtokashHi!09:21
|tbb|is it possible to clear the used ram like im doing a reboot?09:22
|tbb|i mean on a n770  ;)09:23
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jtokashmaybe I'm misunderstanding the question, |tbb|, but couldn't you just use the task manager and kill anything that's using resources?09:37
|tbb|sometimes i cant open my built in email client i think its because there is no more ram to do that, but no other prog is visible running, then i open the taskmanager and it stays in the background (the email prog)09:40
jtokashand there is nothing else in your task manager?09:43
jtokashI've had to reboot a couple of times myself today.  Now that I think about it a faster way to do that would be nice.09:45
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|tbb|thats it10:07
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Guardianmorning all10:47
JaffaMorning, all10:48
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jtokashinteresting... the opera.ini for the mylo11:03
jtokashhttp://www.myloforums.net/showthread.php?t=47411:03
jtokashlots of differences between that and the version in the 77011:04
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jtokashhttp://blog.tokash.org/2006/12/22/opera-config-files-comparing-the-770-and-the-mylo/11:31
jtokashHmmm... somehow my opera.ini has scripting turned off.  Maybe my ini isn't a great comparison piece.11:38
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|tbb|which ini would u prefer for the n77011:43
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jtokashI'd stick with what you have for now.  Without experimentation, we don't know how changing those settings will affect everything.11:44
jtokashFYI, upping the ECMAScript memory budget from 512K to 4512K doesn't speed up google reader.11:46
AD-N770good morning11:46
jtokashGood morning!11:47
jtokashHow's this for not politically correct (in the ini): Retarded Image Loading=111:49
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|tbb|i cant open webbrowser and email client simultanly, thats weird13:31
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Guardiani'm about to start coding a new app for maemo, what would you do: use herring or scirroco ?14:06
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jonekhi15:15
jonekany news about Java phoneME compilation for the 770?15:15
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jonekI wrote a mail to Chris Plummer from Sun. he told me that he knows at least about one attempt to compile phoneME for the 770 but he had no further news about that (information to reproduce the attempt or if it will be released somewhere)15:25
jonekmaybe anybody here knows a bit more about it?15:25
glassnope15:25
glassthough i'm mildly intrested15:26
glassbut, personal java would be more intresting than midp15:26
jonekphoneME advanced mr1 can be compiled with the personal profile (at least if qt is available) though I would like to know if it can be compiled with gtk, too.15:27
jonekglass: https://phoneme.dev.java.net/content/pmAdv-buildhost.html#PP15:29
jonekglass: further info here: http://java.sun.com/javame/reference/docs/cdc_build_system.pdf15:30
glassah ok i should check that later15:30
glasswhen i'm sober15:30
jonek:-)15:31
glassgoing to a helsinki-stckhlm-hlsk cruise today15:31
jonekglass: *cheers*15:31
glassgetting ready for that15:32
glass*cheers-ä15:32
glassugh15:32
glasshaving some laphroiag now15:32
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Guardianerf, the link given on the dev mailing list is already gone :( http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2006/12/21/creating-gtk-input-methods/16:02
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jtraGuardian: too bad, I also interested in this16:14
Guardianyeah :(16:16
Guardiani'm really wondering why it has been removed16:17
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florian_kchi all16:20
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jonekhi flo!16:21
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jtraGuardian: I found it in cache of msn search http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=4987917240291&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE216:22
jtrahowever it is not complete16:23
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Zmanuhello16:24
jtraactually it is just a cache of available feed agregator on planet gnome, http://swik.net/GNOME/Planet+GNOME/Murray+Cumming%3A+Creating+GTK%2B+input+methods/rrmg16:24
Guardian:(16:25
X-FadeMaybe he remebered that he was under some NDA :)16:25
greentux_althi16:26
Guardianyeah he remembered about giving his social security number and all the mess around the nda process :D16:26
Guardianwell best is to ask him why it has been removed16:26
greentux_altflorian_kc: the 770 has no real openembedded image, right?16:26
florian_kcgreentux_alt: not the sold ones but you can build images with oe16:28
greentux_altflorian_kc: komplett? up from kernel until gpe (or something else)?16:28
greentux_altflorian_kc: and can I  use a modified kernel and on top the nternet Tablet OS 2006 edition?16:30
florian_kcgreentux_alt: both :-) currently there seems to be a build problem but basically that should be possible.16:32
greentux_altflorian_kc: fine. I see You sell 770. I should give You a call first das in jan...16:33
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greentux_altflorian_kc: we need some for a little project. perhaps we can use some of our (customer payed) effort to solve some problmes. till know we used oe on zaurs16:34
florian_kcgreentux_alt: ok, sure...16:36
Guardianjtra: can't find it in google cache16:36
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jtraGuardian: it is not there, I found it in cache of msn search (search.live.com) but actual article is not there, just a index http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=4988321467783&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE and a lost of mirrors of planet gnome with incomplete article16:43
jtralots16:44
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Guardiantoo bad, would really have been interessting16:45
||cwtried the wayback machine?16:45
Guardianyeah16:46
Guardianit's not old enough16:46
Guardianwas posted yesterday and removed today16:46
||cwouch16:46
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Zmanui follow doc howto_use_flasher_rootfs.html inside that say i must copy the rootfs.package, but how can i do that ?16:47
Zmanui try to do updatedb but error is i'm not allowed16:50
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Zmanui think i forget debian devkit :/16:51
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Guardianjtra: does the article appear on this page : http://www.murrayc.com/blog/ ???17:08
Guardianmurray just answered me he changed the publication date17:09
Guardianand that the article appears on the main blog page, however it does not here17:09
Guardianeither my browser's cache is borked, either he fucked up something :)17:09
jtraGuardian: it does not appear there for me17:10
Guardianok i won't insist then17:12
Guardiani notified him it does not appear but he replied me a single line: "http://www.murrayc.com/blog/" as if i never used a web browser :(17:13
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kenderhello17:20
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Guardiancan i use autotools to build a static library ?17:34
Disconnectanyone try tiny-tiny-rss on maemo-browser yet?17:35
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Zmanuis there some video codec that aren't on nokia 770, because i copy a .avi from google video, paste it inside my card, i can run it from PC, but when i deconnect, i run it from nokia i have file corrupted17:58
ssvbZmanu, try playing this file with MPlayer: http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/18:01
Zmanussvb, i can yet download program from net, i'm just configure scratchbox to use usb connection18:02
TakZmanu: to play mpeg4 avis with the builtin player, they have to be encoded a specific way18:03
Takmplayer is much more versatile in that respect18:03
ZmanuTak, ok, so i wait to see it18:04
Zmanuthanks18:04
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Zmanuhave you url od the rootstrap ?18:15
ssvbZmanu, are you a new nokia 770 user trying to setup development environment?18:18
Zmanuyes18:18
Zmanui get my nokia 3 day ago18:19
Zmanui know linux and debian, but never use yet embedded linux18:19
ssvbtry to read some docs on http://maemo.org first18:19
Zmanui read a lot18:20
Zmanui try a lot too18:20
Zmanuand in 3 days i'm happy i learn a lot of things18:20
Zmanubut sure, i have some stupid question18:20
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ssvbtry installing scratchbox so that it compiles applications and can run (some of them) using qemu18:22
ssvbright now i'm using standard image on the device and compile everything in scratchox18:22
Takditto18:23
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ssvbZmanu: but my first attempt was installing gcc on the device and trying compiling something there :)18:25
Zmanussvb, iinstall debian devkit and compile ncurses like in example from scratchbox18:26
ssvbgcc is not much usable on the device, it runs out of memory quickly, also compilation takes too much time18:26
koenbut it saves you from the scratchbox 0.9.x hell18:26
Zmanui use scratchbox 1.0.718:27
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Zmanuso you think better is to install gcc under n77018:29
ssvbZmanu, in your place I would try following maemo SDK installation guide precisely (even though it recommends scratchbox 0.9.x)18:31
ssvbYou will be able to compile the first hello world application quite fast18:31
ssvbBut scratchbox 0.9.x is not compatible with the newer linux kernels18:32
Zmanui've soon compile fiorst hello world in scratchbox18:32
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Guard][anabout flasher2, when you try to flash a root fs and the same version is already flashed on the device, does it overwrite it ? or does it do nothing ?18:38
mgedminit overwrites18:39
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Guard][ani'm trying to have scirocco + apophis + sbrsh18:42
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Guard][anmgedmin : i just tried, it just reboots the device in fact18:46
mgedminI am surprised18:47
Guard][angives me the booting screen with the info printed in green18:47
mgedminhow do you restore the device if you sudo rm -r /18:47
mgedmin?18:47
Guard][ani don't know ...18:47
Guard][ani did18:48
Guard][ansudo ./flasher-2.0 --query-root-device18:48
Guard][anpowered up the device18:48
Guard][anit said it found it18:48
Guard][anthen i did18:48
Guard][ansudo ./flasher-2.0 Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.1_armel-rootfs.jffs2 -f -R18:48
Guard][anand it just rebooted18:48
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mgedminyou forgot -r in front of the jffs image file name18:49
Guard][anoh:(18:50
Guard][anthx18:50
Guard][ani really need to work more on this device, instead of just spending one hour from time to time :/ thus i'm always forgetting most parts i read from the wiki :)18:51
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kpelhello19:14
Zmanuhello19:16
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Guard][ancan a hello-world-gtk run on the device through cpu transparency ?19:21
Zmanuis someone use Xephyr to test code ?19:22
kpelwhat's xephyr?19:22
Zmanua x server19:23
TakI use xephyr19:23
Zmanuto emulate n770 in scratchbox19:23
ZmanuTak, what is repository for debian ?19:28
kpelhmm, interesting19:28
TakI followed the instructions at http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installing-Xephyr19:29
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ZmanuTak, thanks$19:33
Zmanu($19:33
Zmanu-$19:34
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kpellater guys19:40
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Guard][anplease, anyone knows how to fix this ?19:48
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Guard][ansbrsh: Server version 0 is too old (version 6 required)19:48
Guard][an:/19:48
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dpbInstall a newer version of sbrshd on the device?19:50
Takwow - that seems like a big version difference19:51
Guard][anhow can i do that ?19:52
Guard][anany hint please ?19:53
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tkodownload sbrshd, copy to device, profit ?19:59
Guard][ani'm trying to follow a doc on scratchbox.org20:01
Guard][anbut well seems that what sounds very familiar to you isn't familiar to me20:02
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tkoI thought the doc suggested using qemu..20:07
Guard][anthe doc says nothing about herring and cpu transparency20:09
* koen wonders what kind of cpu a herring has20:10
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Guard][anwhat i'm trying to achieve is to use sbrsh with my herring-arm scratchbox target20:12
ssvbtko, docs have some information about setting cpu transparency: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_cpu_trans.html20:12
ssvbis it relevant now?20:13
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tkoyou need either qemu or sbrsh, I guess the docs explain both just in case20:14
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tkoand some of the docs are ancient :-/20:15
Disconnectjtokash: just ooc you ever try tiny-tiny-rss on the 770?20:15
jtokashDisconnect, nope.  You?20:18
Disconnectstarting to.20:20
Disconnectits kinda slick. nice ajaxy feel.20:20
Disconnectprolly gonna switch regardless of 770-functionality. (i'd test it but the battery is totally flat right now - doh)20:21
jtokashI'm still hopeful on the google reader front20:21
mgedminwhat's tiny-tiny-rss?20:21
inzjtokash, minimo helps there =)20:21
* mgedmin googles20:22
jtokashinz, for me it's just as slow as opera.  Is it fast for you?20:22
jtokash(for google reader, I mean)20:22
inzjtokash, for me opera doesn't work at all w/ google reader20:22
Disconnectmgedmin: php feed-aggregator. nice ajax app20:22
Disconnect(at least in firefox, haven't tried it on anything else yet)20:22
Disconnectgonna convert my gregarius db over and see if its faster/cleaner20:22
mgedminhm... php... :(20:23
Disconnectcuz gregarius is nice, but the ui is a pita20:23
Disconnectwhats wrong with php?20:23
mgedminphp apps attract security problems20:23
inzmgedmin, and promotes bad coding =)20:24
jtokashinz, for me, both opera and minimo load reader (takes a minute or so).  Then, switching between feeds takes 30 seconds or so.20:25
inzjotkash, maybe the reader has been fixed, or opera20:25
inzjtokash, haven't tried with the 2. -image20:25
inzgoogle doesn't handle tiny tiny rss search too well...20:26
inzThe homepage doesn't fit on the first result page20:26
jtokashThat's worth trying, I guess.  It does seem to be a cpu bottleneck though (probably processing the dom).20:27
jtokashIt's hard to tell with no tools20:27
Guard][anplease, what could be wrong: sbrsh server: mount: Mounting 192.168.2.14:/scratchbox/users/guardian/targets/herring-arm on /var/sbrshd/guardian@192.168.2.14/herring-arm failed: no such device20:30
Guard][an192.168.2.14 is my workstation, 192.168.2.15 is the 770 as suggested by the maemo howto20:30
* sp3000 completely randomly blames the @20:31
sp3000oh, that's how it's supposed to be, nm :)20:33
* sp3000 has n't touched sbrsh in aaaages.20:33
tkoever since qemu became good enough to compile gtk (and that was a looong time ago) I haven't bothered with sbrsh20:35
tkothere just is no point20:35
mgedminGuard][an: check the maemo-developers list archives20:39
mgedminsomeone recently documented how to get sbrsh working with OS200620:39
mgedminthe maemo.org howto only works with the obsolete OS2005, I think20:40
mgedminor, better yet, ditch the idea and use qemu like the rest of us lazy folks20:40
ssvbtko, sbrsh is good when you are optimizing your code for performance and need to benchmark it20:42
ssvbqemu does not provide any useful information in this case :)20:43
mgedminthe message I mentioned was by Carl Worth, who wants to benchmark cairo20:45
Guard][anmgedmin : thx for the pointer, i gonna have a look20:45
tkoI'm not sure I'd trust sbrsh in benchmarking20:45
ssvbmgedmin, well, and after such development some people complain that nokia 770 hardware is too slow ;)20:45
Guard][anwell i'm would like to use sbrsh because i want to automate unit tests on a real device20:46
Guard][ansdk unit test20:46
Guard][an-'m20:46
tkoGuard][an, I'd use a setup that runs everything natively on the device, or in 386 sbox20:46
tkosbrsh is just a weird beast20:47
Guard][anok20:47
Guard][ani feel a bit frustrated because20:47
Guard][ani have very little time to affor to maemo/770 as part of my job20:47
Guard][anhowever i would like to make things go on on this field20:47
Guard][ani'm mainly lurking here, and i realize that most of the time i'm asking questions that must have been answered before20:48
ssvbtko, unless your code does lots of fileio operations, benchmarking in sbrsh should be fine20:48
Guard][anby you guys that use the device on a daily basis20:48
tkossvb, or uses X20:49
Guard][analso i may be a little bit paranoid but i feel like wow some secrets have to be kept away from common people, like is there a real chance to use the dsp how what steps are needed20:50
Guard][aninstead i got "got to gstreamer homepage" like answer. ok so i'll try to beat the gstreamer beast some day :)20:50
ssvbGuard][an, check this page for dsp: http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/20:51
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saispohi20:52
Guard][anssvb thx gonna have a look too20:52
Guard][antime to get out of work now, merry christmass to you all20:53
saispoanyone have problem with sound on latest maemo ?20:53
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tkowe're stumbling a bit, for various reasons, with the organization of the documentation, so if you have suggestions how it could be improved it would be good to hear20:54
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saispoanyone can help me with my new nokia n770 please ?21:01
mgedminwhat's the problem?21:01
saispoi have no sound21:01
saispoonlyonly with headphones21:01
saispoit's normal ?21:01
mgedminsounds like a hardware problem to me21:02
saispofor me too =(21:02
mgedminthe built-in speaker is not very loud, but it is loud enough to use the 770 as a replacement for a car's stereo21:02
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kenderhello21:02
saispomgedmin: no program to activate or desactivate the hp ?21:03
mgedminwhat's hp?21:03
saispothe speaker =)21:03
mgedminno, it just works21:03
saispok21:03
mgedmin(unless you plug something into the headphone jack, of course)21:03
saispowith the jack sound work21:04
saispobut with hp no21:04
saispohow many time is the warranty ?21:06
mgedmin1 year, I think21:06
mgedminI saw somebody's blog post saying his 770 had an 1 year anniversary, and is now out of warranty21:07
kendermgedmin, yeah, thoughtfix blog21:08
mlpugsaispo, i guess you can increase/decrease the volume with the + - buttons. make sure you maximized volume before you return it21:09
saispomgedmin: one year today for me =(21:10
mgedmin<saispo> anyone can help me with my new nokia n770 please ?21:11
mgedmin1 year == new?21:11
saispomgedmin: for me it's new21:11
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keesjis that java opensource stuff working on the 770?21:23
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saispomgedmin: i reset it but nothing work more :x21:39
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saispohow can i see if the hp working ?21:44
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bencerdo you know if there's any issue running maemo in scratchbox 1.0.1 ? i'm trying to setup a maemo dev environment on an amd64 ...22:24
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