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jtokash | Have any of you had luck with getting the normal Google Reader UI to work on the 770? It hangs for half a minute in minimo and opera whenever I switch feeds. | 00:31 |
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Tak | A lot of the google web app stuff is resource-intensive on the client side | 00:35 |
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Tak | have you tried the maemo rss reader? (I haven't) | 00:49 |
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minra | gotsomecoolscreenshots | 01:09 |
Tak | coolwillyousharethem? | 01:12 |
minra | sorry space bar glitch | 01:13 |
minra | just hosted one on imageshack | 01:13 |
minra | but then opera crashed while hilighting the url | 01:13 |
minra | rehosting | 01:13 |
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jtokash | Tak, no I haven't tried. | 01:23 |
jtokash | I don't think there is a way to import all your subscriptions at once, which is a showstopper for me | 01:24 |
minra | does anybody have an updated "distro" with installed apps? i hosed my apt cache | 01:26 |
minra | would be nice to just dump something real fresh on with flasher | 01:26 |
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minra | ok here it is Tak: http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4880/tomemaemo1ut0.jpg | 01:28 |
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minra | heres how Star Control 2 will look: http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6876/uqmmaemo1gx4.jpg | 01:41 |
Disconnect | jtokash: afaik it can import opml (or at worst you can copy the opml in somewhere by hand) | 01:47 |
* Disconnect doesn't use it cuz gregarius (gregarius.net) gathers all the goodies for me regardless of where I am. with none of the arbitrary limits of google and such. | 01:47 | |
minra | does maemo-browser have a toggle somewhere that disables displaying images? | 01:47 |
minra | i have no images on websites anymore, and its not in preferences | 01:48 |
pahartik | minra: Menu -> View -> Show images | 01:50 |
minra | ahhh ty | 01:51 |
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jtokash | Disconnect: I used to use gregarius religiously. I made the 'frames' theme. | 01:59 |
Disconnect | ahh cool :) | 01:59 |
jtokash | I'll probably switch back if I can't find a way to get reader to work better. | 01:59 |
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jtokash | Disconnect, yeah, I've been begging the gregarius team to integrate ajax, but they want to get multi-user working first | 02:12 |
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minra | boy, xchat needs more work... theres no way to close the ignore list window | 02:34 |
minra | also no way to close the dcc receive window | 02:34 |
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jtokash | A synergy client for the 770 would rule. | 02:39 |
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minra | there is a synergy, but it seems to be for sirocco | 02:41 |
minra | synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb | 02:41 |
jtokash | awesome. I'm running sirocco. | 02:42 |
Disconnect | jtokash: given its described with AJAX on their front page.. (and IIRC it used to be billed as an AJAX app..) sigh. keep looking at others, but I'm too lazy to convert my db over :) | 02:43 |
jtokash | Disconnect: Gregarius's use of AJAX is very limited. | 02:44 |
jtokash | moving between feeds causes a full reload and new feed items are not downloaded when you scroll to the bottom of a page. | 02:44 |
Disconnect | yah | 02:52 |
Disconnect | thats kinda my point :) | 02:52 |
* jtokash must learn to read. | 02:52 | |
Disconnect | heh | 02:54 |
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minra | i lost my imageshack link when xchat crashed | 03:12 |
minra | anybody have the url still in scrollback? | 03:12 |
jtokash | http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4880/tomemaemo1ut0.jpg | 03:13 |
minra | ty ty | 03:13 |
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jtokash | One applet I haven't been able to find is the one in the lower left of this screenshot: http://synthesize.us/Image:shot-2006-10-30-14-44-01.png | 04:12 |
jtokash | Lists the ip address and other network related data | 04:12 |
jtokash | oops, found it | 04:15 |
jtokash | sorry for the spam | 04:15 |
Disconnect | iphome | 04:15 |
jtokash | thanks | 04:15 |
Disconnect | (timing is everything | 04:15 |
jtokash | While I'm asking stupid questions: I can't get the sirocco thumb keyboard to come up no matter what I do. What's the trick? | 04:16 |
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jtokash | Darn, Application Manager says iphome is an incompatible package. | 04:23 |
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jtokash | FYI, when I had trouble installing iphome earlier, rebooting the 770 fixed the problem. | 08:50 |
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|tbb| | hi all | 09:21 |
jtokash | Hi! | 09:21 |
|tbb| | is it possible to clear the used ram like im doing a reboot? | 09:22 |
|tbb| | i mean on a n770 ;) | 09:23 |
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jtokash | maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, |tbb|, but couldn't you just use the task manager and kill anything that's using resources? | 09:37 |
|tbb| | sometimes i cant open my built in email client i think its because there is no more ram to do that, but no other prog is visible running, then i open the taskmanager and it stays in the background (the email prog) | 09:40 |
jtokash | and there is nothing else in your task manager? | 09:43 |
jtokash | I've had to reboot a couple of times myself today. Now that I think about it a faster way to do that would be nice. | 09:45 |
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|tbb| | thats it | 10:07 |
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Guardian | morning all | 10:47 |
Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
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jtokash | interesting... the opera.ini for the mylo | 11:03 |
jtokash | http://www.myloforums.net/showthread.php?t=474 | 11:03 |
jtokash | lots of differences between that and the version in the 770 | 11:04 |
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jtokash | http://blog.tokash.org/2006/12/22/opera-config-files-comparing-the-770-and-the-mylo/ | 11:31 |
jtokash | Hmmm... somehow my opera.ini has scripting turned off. Maybe my ini isn't a great comparison piece. | 11:38 |
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|tbb| | which ini would u prefer for the n770 | 11:43 |
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jtokash | I'd stick with what you have for now. Without experimentation, we don't know how changing those settings will affect everything. | 11:44 |
jtokash | FYI, upping the ECMAScript memory budget from 512K to 4512K doesn't speed up google reader. | 11:46 |
AD-N770 | good morning | 11:46 |
jtokash | Good morning! | 11:47 |
jtokash | How's this for not politically correct (in the ini): Retarded Image Loading=1 | 11:49 |
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|tbb| | i cant open webbrowser and email client simultanly, thats weird | 13:31 |
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Guardian | i'm about to start coding a new app for maemo, what would you do: use herring or scirroco ? | 14:06 |
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jonek | hi | 15:15 |
jonek | any news about Java phoneME compilation for the 770? | 15:15 |
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jonek | I wrote a mail to Chris Plummer from Sun. he told me that he knows at least about one attempt to compile phoneME for the 770 but he had no further news about that (information to reproduce the attempt or if it will be released somewhere) | 15:25 |
jonek | maybe anybody here knows a bit more about it? | 15:25 |
glass | nope | 15:25 |
glass | though i'm mildly intrested | 15:26 |
glass | but, personal java would be more intresting than midp | 15:26 |
jonek | phoneME advanced mr1 can be compiled with the personal profile (at least if qt is available) though I would like to know if it can be compiled with gtk, too. | 15:27 |
jonek | glass: https://phoneme.dev.java.net/content/pmAdv-buildhost.html#PP | 15:29 |
jonek | glass: further info here: http://java.sun.com/javame/reference/docs/cdc_build_system.pdf | 15:30 |
glass | ah ok i should check that later | 15:30 |
glass | when i'm sober | 15:30 |
jonek | :-) | 15:31 |
glass | going to a helsinki-stckhlm-hlsk cruise today | 15:31 |
jonek | glass: *cheers* | 15:31 |
glass | getting ready for that | 15:32 |
glass | *cheers-ä | 15:32 |
glass | ugh | 15:32 |
glass | having some laphroiag now | 15:32 |
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Guardian | erf, the link given on the dev mailing list is already gone :( http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2006/12/21/creating-gtk-input-methods/ | 16:02 |
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jtra | Guardian: too bad, I also interested in this | 16:14 |
Guardian | yeah :( | 16:16 |
Guardian | i'm really wondering why it has been removed | 16:17 |
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florian_kc | hi all | 16:20 |
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jonek | hi flo! | 16:21 |
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jtra | Guardian: I found it in cache of msn search http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=4987917240291&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE2 | 16:22 |
jtra | however it is not complete | 16:23 |
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Zmanu | hello | 16:24 |
jtra | actually it is just a cache of available feed agregator on planet gnome, http://swik.net/GNOME/Planet+GNOME/Murray+Cumming%3A+Creating+GTK%2B+input+methods/rrmg | 16:24 |
Guardian | :( | 16:25 |
X-Fade | Maybe he remebered that he was under some NDA :) | 16:25 |
greentux_alt | hi | 16:26 |
Guardian | yeah he remembered about giving his social security number and all the mess around the nda process :D | 16:26 |
Guardian | well best is to ask him why it has been removed | 16:26 |
greentux_alt | florian_kc: the 770 has no real openembedded image, right? | 16:26 |
florian_kc | greentux_alt: not the sold ones but you can build images with oe | 16:28 |
greentux_alt | florian_kc: komplett? up from kernel until gpe (or something else)? | 16:28 |
greentux_alt | florian_kc: and can I use a modified kernel and on top the nternet Tablet OS 2006 edition? | 16:30 |
florian_kc | greentux_alt: both :-) currently there seems to be a build problem but basically that should be possible. | 16:32 |
greentux_alt | florian_kc: fine. I see You sell 770. I should give You a call first das in jan... | 16:33 |
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greentux_alt | florian_kc: we need some for a little project. perhaps we can use some of our (customer payed) effort to solve some problmes. till know we used oe on zaurs | 16:34 |
florian_kc | greentux_alt: ok, sure... | 16:36 |
Guardian | jtra: can't find it in google cache | 16:36 |
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jtra | Guardian: it is not there, I found it in cache of msn search (search.live.com) but actual article is not there, just a index http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=4988321467783&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE and a lost of mirrors of planet gnome with incomplete article | 16:43 |
jtra | lots | 16:44 |
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Guardian | too bad, would really have been interessting | 16:45 |
||cw | tried the wayback machine? | 16:45 |
Guardian | yeah | 16:46 |
Guardian | it's not old enough | 16:46 |
Guardian | was posted yesterday and removed today | 16:46 |
||cw | ouch | 16:46 |
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Zmanu | i follow doc howto_use_flasher_rootfs.html inside that say i must copy the rootfs.package, but how can i do that ? | 16:47 |
Zmanu | i try to do updatedb but error is i'm not allowed | 16:50 |
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Zmanu | i think i forget debian devkit :/ | 16:51 |
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Guardian | jtra: does the article appear on this page : http://www.murrayc.com/blog/ ??? | 17:08 |
Guardian | murray just answered me he changed the publication date | 17:09 |
Guardian | and that the article appears on the main blog page, however it does not here | 17:09 |
Guardian | either my browser's cache is borked, either he fucked up something :) | 17:09 |
jtra | Guardian: it does not appear there for me | 17:10 |
Guardian | ok i won't insist then | 17:12 |
Guardian | i notified him it does not appear but he replied me a single line: "http://www.murrayc.com/blog/" as if i never used a web browser :( | 17:13 |
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kender | hello | 17:20 |
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Guardian | can i use autotools to build a static library ? | 17:34 |
Disconnect | anyone try tiny-tiny-rss on maemo-browser yet? | 17:35 |
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Zmanu | is there some video codec that aren't on nokia 770, because i copy a .avi from google video, paste it inside my card, i can run it from PC, but when i deconnect, i run it from nokia i have file corrupted | 17:58 |
ssvb | Zmanu, try playing this file with MPlayer: http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:01 |
Zmanu | ssvb, i can yet download program from net, i'm just configure scratchbox to use usb connection | 18:02 |
Tak | Zmanu: to play mpeg4 avis with the builtin player, they have to be encoded a specific way | 18:03 |
Tak | mplayer is much more versatile in that respect | 18:03 |
Zmanu | Tak, ok, so i wait to see it | 18:04 |
Zmanu | thanks | 18:04 |
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Zmanu | have you url od the rootstrap ? | 18:15 |
ssvb | Zmanu, are you a new nokia 770 user trying to setup development environment? | 18:18 |
Zmanu | yes | 18:18 |
Zmanu | i get my nokia 3 day ago | 18:19 |
Zmanu | i know linux and debian, but never use yet embedded linux | 18:19 |
ssvb | try to read some docs on http://maemo.org first | 18:19 |
Zmanu | i read a lot | 18:20 |
Zmanu | i try a lot too | 18:20 |
Zmanu | and in 3 days i'm happy i learn a lot of things | 18:20 |
Zmanu | but sure, i have some stupid question | 18:20 |
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ssvb | try installing scratchbox so that it compiles applications and can run (some of them) using qemu | 18:22 |
ssvb | right now i'm using standard image on the device and compile everything in scratchox | 18:22 |
Tak | ditto | 18:23 |
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ssvb | Zmanu: but my first attempt was installing gcc on the device and trying compiling something there :) | 18:25 |
Zmanu | ssvb, iinstall debian devkit and compile ncurses like in example from scratchbox | 18:26 |
ssvb | gcc is not much usable on the device, it runs out of memory quickly, also compilation takes too much time | 18:26 |
koen | but it saves you from the scratchbox 0.9.x hell | 18:26 |
Zmanu | i use scratchbox 1.0.7 | 18:27 |
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Zmanu | so you think better is to install gcc under n770 | 18:29 |
ssvb | Zmanu, in your place I would try following maemo SDK installation guide precisely (even though it recommends scratchbox 0.9.x) | 18:31 |
ssvb | You will be able to compile the first hello world application quite fast | 18:31 |
ssvb | But scratchbox 0.9.x is not compatible with the newer linux kernels | 18:32 |
Zmanu | i've soon compile fiorst hello world in scratchbox | 18:32 |
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Guard][an | about flasher2, when you try to flash a root fs and the same version is already flashed on the device, does it overwrite it ? or does it do nothing ? | 18:38 |
mgedmin | it overwrites | 18:39 |
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Guard][an | i'm trying to have scirocco + apophis + sbrsh | 18:42 |
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Guard][an | mgedmin : i just tried, it just reboots the device in fact | 18:46 |
mgedmin | I am surprised | 18:47 |
Guard][an | gives me the booting screen with the info printed in green | 18:47 |
mgedmin | how do you restore the device if you sudo rm -r / | 18:47 |
mgedmin | ? | 18:47 |
Guard][an | i don't know ... | 18:47 |
Guard][an | i did | 18:48 |
Guard][an | sudo ./flasher-2.0 --query-root-device | 18:48 |
Guard][an | powered up the device | 18:48 |
Guard][an | it said it found it | 18:48 |
Guard][an | then i did | 18:48 |
Guard][an | sudo ./flasher-2.0 Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.1_armel-rootfs.jffs2 -f -R | 18:48 |
Guard][an | and it just rebooted | 18:48 |
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mgedmin | you forgot -r in front of the jffs image file name | 18:49 |
Guard][an | oh:( | 18:50 |
Guard][an | thx | 18:50 |
Guard][an | i really need to work more on this device, instead of just spending one hour from time to time :/ thus i'm always forgetting most parts i read from the wiki :) | 18:51 |
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kpel | hello | 19:14 |
Zmanu | hello | 19:16 |
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Guard][an | can a hello-world-gtk run on the device through cpu transparency ? | 19:21 |
Zmanu | is someone use Xephyr to test code ? | 19:22 |
kpel | what's xephyr? | 19:22 |
Zmanu | a x server | 19:23 |
Tak | I use xephyr | 19:23 |
Zmanu | to emulate n770 in scratchbox | 19:23 |
Zmanu | Tak, what is repository for debian ? | 19:28 |
kpel | hmm, interesting | 19:28 |
Tak | I followed the instructions at http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installing-Xephyr | 19:29 |
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Zmanu | Tak, thanks$ | 19:33 |
Zmanu | ($ | 19:33 |
Zmanu | -$ | 19:34 |
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kpel | later guys | 19:40 |
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Guard][an | please, anyone knows how to fix this ? | 19:48 |
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Guard][an | sbrsh: Server version 0 is too old (version 6 required) | 19:48 |
Guard][an | :/ | 19:48 |
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dpb | Install a newer version of sbrshd on the device? | 19:50 |
Tak | wow - that seems like a big version difference | 19:51 |
Guard][an | how can i do that ? | 19:52 |
Guard][an | any hint please ? | 19:53 |
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tko | download sbrshd, copy to device, profit ? | 19:59 |
Guard][an | i'm trying to follow a doc on scratchbox.org | 20:01 |
Guard][an | but well seems that what sounds very familiar to you isn't familiar to me | 20:02 |
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tko | I thought the doc suggested using qemu.. | 20:07 |
Guard][an | the doc says nothing about herring and cpu transparency | 20:09 |
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Guard][an | what i'm trying to achieve is to use sbrsh with my herring-arm scratchbox target | 20:12 |
ssvb | tko, docs have some information about setting cpu transparency: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_cpu_trans.html | 20:12 |
ssvb | is it relevant now? | 20:13 |
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tko | you need either qemu or sbrsh, I guess the docs explain both just in case | 20:14 |
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tko | and some of the docs are ancient :-/ | 20:15 |
Disconnect | jtokash: just ooc you ever try tiny-tiny-rss on the 770? | 20:15 |
jtokash | Disconnect, nope. You? | 20:18 |
Disconnect | starting to. | 20:20 |
Disconnect | its kinda slick. nice ajaxy feel. | 20:20 |
Disconnect | prolly gonna switch regardless of 770-functionality. (i'd test it but the battery is totally flat right now - doh) | 20:21 |
jtokash | I'm still hopeful on the google reader front | 20:21 |
mgedmin | what's tiny-tiny-rss? | 20:21 |
inz | jtokash, minimo helps there =) | 20:21 |
* mgedmin googles | 20:22 | |
jtokash | inz, for me it's just as slow as opera. Is it fast for you? | 20:22 |
jtokash | (for google reader, I mean) | 20:22 |
inz | jtokash, for me opera doesn't work at all w/ google reader | 20:22 |
Disconnect | mgedmin: php feed-aggregator. nice ajax app | 20:22 |
Disconnect | (at least in firefox, haven't tried it on anything else yet) | 20:22 |
Disconnect | gonna convert my gregarius db over and see if its faster/cleaner | 20:22 |
mgedmin | hm... php... :( | 20:23 |
Disconnect | cuz gregarius is nice, but the ui is a pita | 20:23 |
Disconnect | whats wrong with php? | 20:23 |
mgedmin | php apps attract security problems | 20:23 |
inz | mgedmin, and promotes bad coding =) | 20:24 |
jtokash | inz, for me, both opera and minimo load reader (takes a minute or so). Then, switching between feeds takes 30 seconds or so. | 20:25 |
inz | jotkash, maybe the reader has been fixed, or opera | 20:25 |
inz | jtokash, haven't tried with the 2. -image | 20:25 |
inz | google doesn't handle tiny tiny rss search too well... | 20:26 |
inz | The homepage doesn't fit on the first result page | 20:26 |
jtokash | That's worth trying, I guess. It does seem to be a cpu bottleneck though (probably processing the dom). | 20:27 |
jtokash | It's hard to tell with no tools | 20:27 |
Guard][an | please, what could be wrong: sbrsh server: mount: Mounting 192.168.2.14:/scratchbox/users/guardian/targets/herring-arm on /var/sbrshd/guardian@192.168.2.14/herring-arm failed: no such device | 20:30 |
Guard][an | 192.168.2.14 is my workstation, 192.168.2.15 is the 770 as suggested by the maemo howto | 20:30 |
* sp3000 completely randomly blames the @ | 20:31 | |
sp3000 | oh, that's how it's supposed to be, nm :) | 20:33 |
* sp3000 has n't touched sbrsh in aaaages. | 20:33 | |
tko | ever since qemu became good enough to compile gtk (and that was a looong time ago) I haven't bothered with sbrsh | 20:35 |
tko | there just is no point | 20:35 |
mgedmin | Guard][an: check the maemo-developers list archives | 20:39 |
mgedmin | someone recently documented how to get sbrsh working with OS2006 | 20:39 |
mgedmin | the maemo.org howto only works with the obsolete OS2005, I think | 20:40 |
mgedmin | or, better yet, ditch the idea and use qemu like the rest of us lazy folks | 20:40 |
ssvb | tko, sbrsh is good when you are optimizing your code for performance and need to benchmark it | 20:42 |
ssvb | qemu does not provide any useful information in this case :) | 20:43 |
mgedmin | the message I mentioned was by Carl Worth, who wants to benchmark cairo | 20:45 |
Guard][an | mgedmin : thx for the pointer, i gonna have a look | 20:45 |
tko | I'm not sure I'd trust sbrsh in benchmarking | 20:45 |
ssvb | mgedmin, well, and after such development some people complain that nokia 770 hardware is too slow ;) | 20:45 |
Guard][an | well i'm would like to use sbrsh because i want to automate unit tests on a real device | 20:46 |
Guard][an | sdk unit test | 20:46 |
Guard][an | -'m | 20:46 |
tko | Guard][an, I'd use a setup that runs everything natively on the device, or in 386 sbox | 20:46 |
tko | sbrsh is just a weird beast | 20:47 |
Guard][an | ok | 20:47 |
Guard][an | i feel a bit frustrated because | 20:47 |
Guard][an | i have very little time to affor to maemo/770 as part of my job | 20:47 |
Guard][an | however i would like to make things go on on this field | 20:47 |
Guard][an | i'm mainly lurking here, and i realize that most of the time i'm asking questions that must have been answered before | 20:48 |
ssvb | tko, unless your code does lots of fileio operations, benchmarking in sbrsh should be fine | 20:48 |
Guard][an | by you guys that use the device on a daily basis | 20:48 |
tko | ssvb, or uses X | 20:49 |
Guard][an | also i may be a little bit paranoid but i feel like wow some secrets have to be kept away from common people, like is there a real chance to use the dsp how what steps are needed | 20:50 |
Guard][an | instead i got "got to gstreamer homepage" like answer. ok so i'll try to beat the gstreamer beast some day :) | 20:50 |
ssvb | Guard][an, check this page for dsp: http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/ | 20:51 |
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saispo | hi | 20:52 |
Guard][an | ssvb thx gonna have a look too | 20:52 |
Guard][an | time to get out of work now, merry christmass to you all | 20:53 |
saispo | anyone have problem with sound on latest maemo ? | 20:53 |
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tko | we're stumbling a bit, for various reasons, with the organization of the documentation, so if you have suggestions how it could be improved it would be good to hear | 20:54 |
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saispo | anyone can help me with my new nokia n770 please ? | 21:01 |
mgedmin | what's the problem? | 21:01 |
saispo | i have no sound | 21:01 |
saispo | onlyonly with headphones | 21:01 |
saispo | it's normal ? | 21:01 |
mgedmin | sounds like a hardware problem to me | 21:02 |
saispo | for me too =( | 21:02 |
mgedmin | the built-in speaker is not very loud, but it is loud enough to use the 770 as a replacement for a car's stereo | 21:02 |
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kender | hello | 21:02 |
saispo | mgedmin: no program to activate or desactivate the hp ? | 21:03 |
mgedmin | what's hp? | 21:03 |
saispo | the speaker =) | 21:03 |
mgedmin | no, it just works | 21:03 |
saispo | k | 21:03 |
mgedmin | (unless you plug something into the headphone jack, of course) | 21:03 |
saispo | with the jack sound work | 21:04 |
saispo | but with hp no | 21:04 |
saispo | how many time is the warranty ? | 21:06 |
mgedmin | 1 year, I think | 21:06 |
mgedmin | I saw somebody's blog post saying his 770 had an 1 year anniversary, and is now out of warranty | 21:07 |
kender | mgedmin, yeah, thoughtfix blog | 21:08 |
mlpug | saispo, i guess you can increase/decrease the volume with the + - buttons. make sure you maximized volume before you return it | 21:09 |
saispo | mgedmin: one year today for me =( | 21:10 |
mgedmin | <saispo> anyone can help me with my new nokia n770 please ? | 21:11 |
mgedmin | 1 year == new? | 21:11 |
saispo | mgedmin: for me it's new | 21:11 |
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keesj | is that java opensource stuff working on the 770? | 21:23 |
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saispo | mgedmin: i reset it but nothing work more :x | 21:39 |
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saispo | how can i see if the hp working ? | 21:44 |
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bencer | do you know if there's any issue running maemo in scratchbox 1.0.1 ? i'm trying to setup a maemo dev environment on an amd64 ... | 22:24 |
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