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| |tbb| | hi all, inz have u asked the ppl how to set the alarmclock by script? | 00:24 |
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| |tbb| | sorry i was watching a video compilation of my favorite soccer team | 01:31 |
| |tbb| | fine and u | 01:31 |
| |tbb| | any1 using the navkit from nokia? | 01:34 |
| |tbb| | tak: do u know how to clear the ram? problem i start to watch many many photos with canola | 01:39 |
| |tbb| | but after 100 pics it stop showing pictures also the build in viewer do that, it tells me theres not enough memory to show me the pix | 01:40 |
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| spect | * PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES="warn error info log" | 02:02 |
| spect | oops | 02:02 |
| spect | wrong window :P | 02:02 |
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| pahartik | since "user" apparently cannot "passwd", should I just do it as "root"? (I did just add "user ALL = PASSWD: /bin/su" to "/etc/sudoers") | 07:02 |
| pahartik | just wondering if there is some reason not to set password for "user"... | 07:05 |
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| X-Fade | Morning. | 09:57 |
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| pahartik | Maemo 2.0 seems to dislike Bluetooth PAN, hopefully Maemo 2.1 is better... SSH client and server work fine on terminal but GUI side does not see network and device eventually just reboots if GUI application tries to move data through "DummyIAP" | 10:26 |
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| Veggen | pahartik: Maemo 2.0 is OS2006? I got it to work... | 10:31 |
| pahartik | Veggen: I have "Version: 1.2006.26-8" | 10:34 |
| Veggen | hmm. Should work. I didn't have any problems when I tested it. | 10:35 |
| Veggen | Did you follow http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO-BluetoothNetworking ? | 10:36 |
| tigert | pahartik: theres an update for that | 10:37 |
| tigert | pahartik: since 1.2006.26-8 I mean | 10:37 |
| tigert | not sure about your bluetooth problem | 10:37 |
| pahartik | tigert: yes, that document... | 10:40 |
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| tigert | pahartik: there should be a software update available for your device if it is 1.2006.26-8 | 10:41 |
| pahartik | tigert: I am aware of "Version: 2.2006.39-14", but there is no "flasher" I could use right now | 10:42 |
| tigert | oh right | 10:42 |
| tigert | that was your issue last night | 10:42 |
| tigert | are you in helsinki? | 10:43 |
| tigert | nope | 10:43 |
| tigert | looks more like tampere | 10:43 |
| tigert | looking at your hostname | 10:43 |
| pahartik | tigert: my location is Tampere, Finland | 10:43 |
| tigert | yep | 10:43 |
| tigert | I could have flashed the device for you. If you have a PC around somewhere, you could try ubuntu live-cd and the x86 linux flasher | 10:44 |
| tigert | or perhaps booting from your osx install cd, dunno if that lets you run commandline | 10:44 |
| pahartik | tigert: no wintels around here :) | 10:44 |
| * tigert ponders nokia 770 version of the flasher :) that'd be sweet to use the device to flash another one | 10:45 | |
| pahartik | tigert: I have Apple iBook G4 and Linksys NSLU2, both with USB and running big-endian Linux 2.6... | 10:46 |
| * pahartik tries if Nokia 770 reboots again with Bluetooth PAN | 10:49 | |
| tigert | pahartik: yep. been there. linux on ppc is not exactly fun if you need some binary-only stuff | 10:49 |
| tigert | ..after you have fixed all the sources of the apps that just assume little-endian everywhere.. | 10:50 |
| tigert | :) | 10:50 |
| tigert | but its sweet hardware | 10:50 |
| tigert | My Pismo (Powerbook G3) power adapter plug broke :( | 10:51 |
| tigert | I need to fix that | 10:51 |
| tigert | but the plug is some all-weirdo one | 10:51 |
| tigert | its a nice ubuntu machine, I was pondering making it a very silent server, but it has just usb 1 | 10:52 |
| tigert | so filesharing with it is not going to be fun, or I'd need firewire disks | 10:52 |
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| glass | fw disks shouldn't be a problem | 10:53 |
| glass | plenty of cheap fw enclosures | 10:53 |
| pahartik | tigert: I have got broken PowerBook G3 (Pismo)... just does not boot, tried many things at OpenFirmware prompt | 10:53 |
| pahartik | tigert: it does not get to IEEE-1394 target disk mode either | 10:54 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
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| tigert | glass: the problem is running them 24/7 | 10:57 |
| tigert | since the enclosures capsulate heat nicely | 10:57 |
| tigert | but I guess just use the internals | 10:57 |
| tigert | and put some slow-spinning large fan under them or such | 10:58 |
| pahartik | tigert: why would you care about USB when device has got IEEE-1394 for storage devices? | 10:59 |
| glass | some enclosures have fans etc.. and most have no problems 24/7... | 10:59 |
| glass | would certainly run cooler than in the laptop hd | 11:00 |
| tigert | pahartik: yep | 11:00 |
| tigert | that'd make a nice silent server with built-in up | 11:00 |
| tigert | s | 11:00 |
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| pahartik | tigert: still no luck with Bluetooth PAN, just reboot when Opera tries to connect for while... :) | 11:13 |
| tigert | yea, never done that | 11:13 |
| tigert | I just use wavelan or 3G :/ | 11:14 |
| pahartik | tigert: GPRS uplink worked fine over Bluetooth | 11:15 |
| tigert | yep | 11:17 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:44 |
| spaetz | /win bal | 11:50 |
| spaetz | oops | 11:50 |
| spaetz | morning all :-) | 11:51 |
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| rdz | good morning everyone | 13:47 |
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| rdz | i need help in activating the red pill mode. i tried to follow the instructions on http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode, but i didn't succeed. | 14:03 |
| rdz | there is no 'Application Catalogue' in tools, but a 'Application Manager'. in the latter there is not button 'New'. | 14:04 |
| rdz | so, i don't know where to enter 'matrix'.... | 14:04 |
| rdz | i just flashed sciroccon onto the device... | 14:04 |
| rdz | *scirocco | 14:04 |
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| klaus | hi | 14:06 |
| klaus | somehow my n770 broke while flashing | 14:06 |
| klaus | i googled but did not found any hints how to bringt it back to live | 14:07 |
| klaus | any suggestions ? | 14:07 |
| pahartik | rdz: Menu -> Tools -> Application manager ... Menu -> Tools - Application catalogue -> New | 14:08 |
| pahartik | rdz: there is field for URL, with title "Web address"... | 14:09 |
| rdz | pahartik, oops my fault.. | 14:09 |
| rdz | i think i did not install scirocco.. | 14:09 |
| rdz | i followed the instructions on: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 14:10 |
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| rdz | when i do that, does it mean i have scirocco on the device afterwards? | 14:11 |
| pahartik | rdz: if you installed that "SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin", I think you did | 14:13 |
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| rdz | pahartik, ok...i am confused.. | 14:14 |
| rdz | pahartik, in order to get shell access and use the repository and such, do i need to install scirocco from the page above? | 14:15 |
| pahartik | rdz: not really, but it is latest released version | 14:16 |
| rdz | pahartik, but i can have shell access and such with that version? | 14:16 |
| Veggen | you can have shell access with both that and the previous version. | 14:17 |
| rdz | pahartik, sorry for all that question, but i am helping a freidn, who owns this device and he is quite confusing me.. | 14:17 |
| rdz | Veggen, ok thanks | 14:17 |
| pahartik | rdz: AFAIK, yes... (but I only have "mistral") | 14:17 |
| Veggen | tjere's no real difference except bug fixes and small improvements. | 14:17 |
| rdz | Veggen, ok... | 14:17 |
| rdz | so, what is the SDK and all that stuff for? | 14:17 |
| rdz | i mean, when you can flash a fully working linux so easily with the flash tool... | 14:18 |
| Veggen | no the SDK is if you want to do development, and compile things yourself for maemo. | 14:18 |
| rdz | Veggen, i see. | 14:18 |
| rdz | thanks for clarifying this | 14:18 |
| Veggen | rdz: most people want something from the repositories. That's one of the large advantages of running Linux, easy access to a vast amount of easily portable software. | 14:19 |
| rdz | thanks... | 14:21 |
| rdz | in order to have access to all installable packages from the repository, i need to activate the red pill mode, is that correct?? | 14:21 |
| Veggen | well, yes and no. You can always install with apt-get from a shell, but Red Pill mode enables you to see more packages than the installer normally lets you. | 14:22 |
| Veggen | (in the maemo installer, with apt-get you see them all anyways) | 14:22 |
| rdz | but i need to install openssh first in order to get shell acccess right? | 14:23 |
| Veggen | uhm...you can use xterm on the device itself. | 14:24 |
| rdz | Veggen, how can i start a xterm? | 14:24 |
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| rdz | i cannot find it everywhere.. | 14:25 |
| Veggen | you'll need to install OSSO xterm - dunno if it's in the standard repository or if you need to add it. | 14:25 |
| Veggen | have you seen http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 ? | 14:26 |
| pahartik | rdz: OpenSSH and Xterm can be used together for getting superuser privileges... | 14:26 |
| rdz | Veggen, but how can i install xterm? it does not appear in the application manager.. | 14:27 |
| Veggen | you need to add the repository to the application manager. | 14:28 |
| rdz | Veggen, forgive my ingonrance.. but how can i add a repository to the application manager without a xterm? | 14:29 |
| Veggen | it's in the menus somewhere. Don't have it here before me, but there's not that many menus in the application manager. | 14:30 |
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| rdz | Veggen, i am bit confused: i cannot find a menu at all in 'application manager'. i only see three buttons: 'show installed applications', 'install new applications', 'check for updates'... | 14:32 |
| pahartik | rdz: "path" I described before for getting "red pill" applies to that | 14:32 |
| pahartik | rdz: "titlebar" | 14:33 |
| Veggen | uhm. there's a menu, not only the buttons. | 14:33 |
| rdz | pahartik, what do you mean? i can't follow.. | 14:33 |
| pahartik | rdz: point at titlebar for application-specific menu... | 14:33 |
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| rdz | pahartik, ah..... thanks... got it | 14:34 |
| rdz | now i also understand,how to activate red pill mode.. | 14:34 |
| rdz | uff... | 14:34 |
| rdz | sorry guys for being so slow in understanding... | 14:35 |
| rdz | and thanks for your patience | 14:35 |
| pahartik | rdz: menu is slightly hidden :) | 14:35 |
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| pahartik | which SSH Cipher is most efficient on ARM? | 14:54 |
| suihkulokki | -C none | 14:56 |
| pahartik | suihkulokki: damn that | 14:56 |
| rdz | when i do: 'Refresh list of packages' it downloads a new list, but then it displays an error: 'Unable to refresh list. Last refreshed list is shown' | 14:57 |
| rdz | is that a known problem? i just freshly flashed the nokia770.. | 14:58 |
| tigert | it means, | 15:01 |
| tigert | one or more of the repositories is not set up correctly | 15:01 |
| tigert | see the log | 15:01 |
| tigert | Tools -> Log | 15:03 |
| Veggen | nettopp. | 15:03 |
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| onion | anyone know if the car holder is available separately from the nav kit ? | 15:08 |
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| rdz | tigert, seems that http://repository.maemo.org/ is not a repository. i found that on: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories | 15:08 |
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| rdz | my fault; i have set the wrong 'components' | 15:11 |
| tigert | right | 15:16 |
| tigert | also, do not "apt-get dist-upgrade" from those | 15:16 |
| tigert | that is not tested to wrok at all | 15:16 |
| tigert | it sucks that we look enough like debian that people expect everything in debian to work | 15:16 |
| rdz | tigert, i se | 15:17 |
| rdz | thanks for that hint | 15:17 |
| tigert | "Sardine" and "herrin" is a bleeding -edge distro that is supposed to work with apt | 15:18 |
| tigert | but its being worked on still | 15:18 |
| tigert | hopefully things get better now that we try to eat our own dogfood first :) | 15:18 |
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| rdz | ;-=) | 15:25 |
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| rdz | what is the difference between arm and armel? | 16:08 |
| rdz | and where can i find an openssh package for armel (if there there is one)? | 16:08 |
| Jaffa | rdz: `apt-get install openssh' from Xterm | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | rdz: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.1/free/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso4_armel.deb specifically for the one deb, but using apt is a much better idea, see: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-f2616a12f79f9b76bea9dca20cbe89a1735a4910 | 16:12 |
| rdz | Jaffa, thanks | 16:15 |
| tigert | rdz: ssh is in the maemo repository | 16:16 |
| tigert | and get inz's xterm from maemo-hackers.org | 16:16 |
| tigert | its a lot better, plus it installs bitstream fonts | 16:16 |
| tigert | bitstream vera I mean | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | rdz: your question about arm vs armel is answered here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 16:16 |
| rdz | mgedmin, thanks | 16:17 |
| rdz | hey guys, i just wanted to say that this is one of the most helpfull channels i know.... | 16:17 |
| rdz | ah, i'm in.. | 16:23 |
| rdz | per ssh... | 16:23 |
| rdz | what a nice feeling ;-) | 16:23 |
| inz | I hope that the osso-xterm garage project will catch up | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | what's the status of it? | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | is it the plain osso-xterm, or did somebody merge the maemo-hackers enhancements already? | 16:34 |
| inz | there's no code yet | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 16:34 |
| inz | They've just started the project, but nothing has happened since | 16:35 |
| inz | Well, couple of project members have appeared, but nothing else =) | 16:35 |
| Veggen | rdz: changed your passwords yet? ;-) Remember that having a ssh-able box on the net with a password "rootme" is not very wise :-) | 16:39 |
| rdz | Veggen, not yet, but thanks for the hint :-=) | 16:40 |
| Veggen | you can change them freely, nothing breaks. | 16:40 |
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| Jaffa | inz: didn't someone send an email to maemo-dev asking for stuff? | 16:42 |
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| tigert | yea, passwd root is the first thing to do after installing ssh | 16:47 |
| ||cw | i thought root login was disabled by default | 16:48 |
| rdz | ||cw, it seems that it isn't (at least here). and i am quite happy about it... | 16:51 |
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| rdz | oh...nice mplayer works.... with sound and all...... | 16:56 |
| pokute_ | mplayer works almost perfectly. | 16:56 |
| rdz | pokute_, indeed.. :-) | 16:56 |
| pokute_ | There's the audio delay issue... | 16:56 |
| rdz | pokute_, i am not so far yet...... | 16:56 |
| ||cw | anyone found a way to play wmv on it yet? | 16:56 |
| rdz | pokute_, you mean when you play video files? | 16:56 |
| pokute_ | And then there's the issue that mplayer doen't have a write access to a kilke that provides some video acceleration... | 16:57 |
| rdz | ||cw, is there an opensource decoder that decoder wmv? | 16:57 |
| ||cw | rdz: I think there is for up to v6 or 7, but many things are wmv8+ now | 16:58 |
| pokute_ | ||cw: some linux decoders use x86 binary decoders for playing wmv. | 16:58 |
| ||cw | yeah, I know | 16:58 |
| ||cw | which is why I was wondering if a way was found for arm | 16:58 |
| rdz | pokute_, i think mplayer does as wel | 16:58 |
| ||cw | like, if someone figured how to extract the codec from a windows mobile device | 16:58 |
| rdz | pokute_, what is kilke? | 16:58 |
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| rdz | ||cw, hey good idea.. | 16:59 |
| pokute_ | rdz: like gizmo | 16:59 |
| rdz | ||cw, there are devices that play wmv and wma and running on an arm-processer? | 16:59 |
| ||cw | there the matter of running it, IIRC the current support for win32 codec's if via some WINE code | 16:59 |
| ||cw | rdz: yes, my HTC based device | 16:59 |
| pokute_ | ||cw: rip the decoder from there. :-) | 17:00 |
| ||cw | is there exsisting arm based wine code? | 17:00 |
| ||cw | pokute_: the codec is one thing, running it is another | 17:00 |
| pokute_ | ||cw: That's what reverse engineering is for... | 17:01 |
| ||cw | meh, it's easier to transcode :D | 17:01 |
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| X-Fade | Fluendo should have a native codec for .wmv in gstreamer. | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | But that isn't free and I'm not sure if it works on arm. | 17:03 |
| inz | Jaffa, maemo-users maybe, I've not seen any on maemo-dev | 17:08 |
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| timeless | not much point in wine for arm unless you have win32-arm binaries | 17:11 |
| rdz | is there a chance to play a video file in the nokia770's full screen resolution? | 17:12 |
| timeless | unless you're planning on stealing from an ipaq... | 17:12 |
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| Veggen | rdz: sure, just push the full-screen-button when you have started it. | 17:12 |
| rdz | Veggen, no, i mean something different. i don't mean to play a small resolution file in fullscreen mode, but is there a format that doesn't use the cpu so much, that you can encode a movie to the n770's native resolution.. | 17:13 |
| rdz | when i play a mpeg2-file with 640x480 it is too slow | 17:14 |
| Veggen | there's a whole lot of things about that on the forums on www.internettablettalk.com, I think. | 17:14 |
| rdz | Veggen, ok thanks | 17:14 |
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| Veggen | (in "mplayer"-threads) | 17:14 |
| timeless | the answer is basically "no" | 17:15 |
| * rdz is quite new to this whole mobile world.. | 17:15 | |
| rdz | timeless, aha.. | 17:15 |
| rdz | ok | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | mpeg2 is more cpu heavy than mpeg4. | 17:15 |
| timeless | you can 15fps @qcif | 17:15 |
| timeless | maybe a bit better than that | 17:15 |
| pokute_ | rdz: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-December/006646.html <- divx3 video runs at 150% cpu utilization. | 17:15 |
| Veggen | X-Fade: so you transcode it before you put it on teh n770. | 17:15 |
| pokute_ | at 640*480 resolution | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Yep, mpeg4 works great. | 17:17 |
| pokute_ | So 640*480 divx + audio at total of 850kbps is probably possible after more optimization | 17:17 |
| rdz | wow, i am impressed | 17:17 |
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| rdz | unfortunately, i need to go now..... | 17:17 |
| rdz | thank you a lot, guys, for your patience and for all that help | 17:18 |
| timeless | but 640x480 isn't full screen ;-) | 17:19 |
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| pokute_ | Well, yeah, but 800*480 shouldn't be more than about 10% more processing power. | 17:19 |
| pokute_ | for 25% more pixels. As I guess that video decoding demands isn't directly related to resolution. | 17:20 |
| timeless | i'm not sure how you figure | 17:20 |
| timeless | otoh i'm not a video guy | 17:21 |
| pokute_ | timeless: are you the sound guy? Can 770 decode AAC+ fast? | 17:21 |
| timeless | no, i deal w/ text/html | 17:21 |
| timeless | and application/x-javascript | 17:21 |
| jtra | rdz: n770 has a "half resolution" display mode in which it could be fast enough to play | 17:22 |
| Veggen | mm. I'm recently starting to see the point in all that web 2.0-stuff. Used correctly, it *can* make things more user-friendly. | 17:22 |
| pokute_ | As 40/48 kbps AAC+ stereo sound stream is pretty high quality and could be as fast as 128kbps mp3 as it requires less bandwidth... | 17:22 |
| timeless | veggen: examples (excluding *.google.com) | 17:23 |
| Veggen | well. I use it to build up a list of something dynamically, without having to reload the whole page for every action. For example. | 17:23 |
| pokute_ | Veggen: Like youtube comments? | 17:24 |
| Veggen | mm, maybe :) | 17:24 |
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| Veggen | I also have for example a list that you can select any event whatsoever, from, in a publishing-system for an organization. I added a "year"-field that when you switch it, the list automatically limits itself to that year, avoiding having to shift through all events. | 17:26 |
| Veggen | point is: use it to make things simpler for the user, not to just look cooler. | 17:27 |
| Veggen | though, I try to make all of it fall back to a non-javascript version that actually works. | 17:28 |
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| _Handful_ | Veggen: we use this in 770, to avoid full-page reloads | 18:34 |
| epx | \o/ _Handful_ \o/ | 18:34 |
| _Handful_ | so they can really be helpful in this restricted enviroments (when there's no memory leaks) | 18:35 |
| _Handful_ | we have done a configuration tool using a very simple web server.. and almost everything is "ajax - web 2.0" style | 18:35 |
| _Handful_ | so, user add things, we just send a Json request.. | 18:35 |
| _Handful_ | and bum! | 18:35 |
| _Handful_ | no reload | 18:35 |
| Tak | has anybody reported the bug with the canola config tool where you can't add two directories with similar names? | 18:37 |
| _Handful_ | Tak: actually no : / | 18:37 |
| _Handful_ | well, this is really a annoying bug | 18:37 |
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| _Handful_ | I will report it myself | 18:37 |
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| Tak | if I add "/media/mmc1/music" , I cannot then add "/media/mmc1/music videos" | 18:38 |
| _Handful_ | well, actually..can you please send us (via GARAGE) | 18:38 |
| Tak | sure | 18:38 |
| _Handful_ | the or | 18:38 |
| _Handful_ | one is inside the other.. | 18:38 |
| _Handful_ | so why would you want to "index" the folder that's already indexing? | 18:38 |
| Tak | no, they're siblings on the tree | 18:38 |
| _Handful_ | siblings? | 18:39 |
| Tak | inside /media/mmc1, there are "music" and "music videos" | 18:39 |
| _Handful_ | I seee | 18:39 |
| _Handful_ | sorry | 18:39 |
| _Handful_ | ehhehe | 18:39 |
| Tak | s'ok | 18:39 |
| _Handful_ | but can you report it to us? | 18:39 |
| Tak | yes | 18:39 |
| _Handful_ | I just asked the guy here and he said that it wasn't to happen anything : / | 18:40 |
| _Handful_ | well.. pretty strange.. if you can send us... your ls output.. and then we can reproduce the bug here | 18:40 |
| _Handful_ | epx: hi =) | 18:40 |
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| Tak | submitted #242 | 18:46 |
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| _Handful_ | thanks tak | 18:56 |
| _Handful_ | do you have x-term there? | 18:56 |
| Tak | I'm sorry, I don't have my 770 inhand at the moment | 18:58 |
| _Handful_ | can you type this : canola-conf-get_collection.sh / so you can see what folders are there... really... | 18:58 |
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| _Handful_ | ah ok | 18:58 |
| _Handful_ | no problem | 18:58 |
| _Handful_ | we will try to reproduce there.. | 18:58 |
| Tak | If you attach a comment to the bug, I can do it tonight (it's 11am here) | 18:58 |
| _Handful_ | when you have it.. we will send you.. the set_collection command.. and if it breaks.. it's serious problem... | 18:58 |
| _Handful_ | ok =) | 18:58 |
| _Handful_ | I will take a look at it | 18:59 |
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| * sp3000 giggles at aikataulut.ytv.fi/reittiopas | 20:30 | |
| sp3000 | a bookmarked route search a* 4 espoo -> i* 13 helsinki from this morning now gives me a route for another pair of addresses matching those patterns :D | 20:32 |
| * sp3000 fixes by removing the 'a' and 'b' opaque integer parameters that apparently cached the locations, overriding the huma-readable params | 20:35 | |
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| tigert | sp3000: haha | 21:18 |
| tigert | :) | 21:18 |
| tigert | save the cookie thingy | 21:18 |
| tigert | the site can remember your routes | 21:18 |
| tigert | though then the cookie usually expires in a bad time anyway :) | 21:18 |
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| sp3000 | but... but... that's /two/ clicks :P | 21:19 |
| sxpert | what's that ? national trains or something ? | 21:19 |
| sp3000 | capital area public trasnportation | 21:19 |
| tigert | helsinki/capital area commuter traffic | 21:19 |
| tigert | its pretty impressive for a site like that | 21:19 |
| sxpert | hah. ok | 21:19 |
| tigert | since it actually works fine | 21:19 |
| sxpert | pretty b0rken it seems | 21:19 |
| tigert | ie, I can look "I need to get from my {home address} to Ruoholahti (work) right now. | 21:20 |
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| tigert | it says 21:27 goes a bus from my stop | 21:20 |
| tigert | and its at ruoholahti at 22:07 | 21:20 |
| tigert | 0.8km of walking total | 21:21 |
| tigert | bus + metro | 21:21 |
| tigert | its pretty nice service | 21:21 |
| inz | I made a script to a irc bot that uses tkl's similar service (only buses) | 21:21 |
| tigert | :) | 21:21 |
| tigert | yea | 21:21 |
| tigert | it would be nice if one could have an interface to the site | 21:21 |
| inz | So I can say on irc "!tkl work@09:00" and it says how I can get at work by 09:00 | 21:21 |
| tigert | inz: :) | 21:22 |
| Veggen | There was an experimental one in Trondheim that you could ask natural languange questions. | 21:22 |
| tigert | "mañana!" | 21:22 |
| Veggen | "When does the next bus go from X to Y?" and it would give an answer. and it worked. It knew of a lot of different types of questions. | 21:22 |
| inz | Fortunately parsing finnish is PITA and no one wants to make such service here =) | 21:23 |
| mlpug | i have fresh it 2006 os. in order to get command line ssh access to do I have to install both ssh server and xterm? | 21:23 |
| sxpert | inz, start a project ? | 21:24 |
| inz | sxpert, I said fortunately, I don't want such service =) | 21:24 |
| Veggen | http://www.idi.ntnu.no/~tagore/bustuc/ | 21:24 |
| Veggen | "When does the first bus from Trondheim to Lade go on saturdays?", for example. | 21:24 |
| sxpert | Veggen, too bad it doesn't know how to get to oslo :D | 21:25 |
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| MDK | hmm, anyone familiar with toolchains? | 21:31 |
| MDK | the sbox wiki says: "Log into Scratchbox and use sb-menu to change the HOST target (using Setup):". But what target? | 21:31 |
| MDK | oh crap | 21:32 |
| MDK | now I get it | 21:32 |
| MDK | there is a separate host toolchain | 21:34 |
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| desrt | does linux on the 770 cope well with mmaping huge (~1gb) files? | 22:13 |
| minra | is nokia a finnish company? | 22:13 |
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| desrt | minra; they are | 22:14 |
| Veggen | desrt: uh. surely not? | 22:14 |
| minra | thats kinda cool, with linus torvalds and all... i just watched two linux movies/documentaries | 22:14 |
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| minra | i first used linux around 1994 with kernel 1.0 | 22:15 |
| desrt | Veggen; why not? | 22:15 |
| Veggen | because it's kind of pressed for memory already? mmapping uses some memory, right? | 22:15 |
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| desrt | well yes. but very little. | 22:16 |
| desrt | just a single entry (for a contiguous region) in the address space for the process... plus an extra record for any pages resident at a given time | 22:16 |
| Veggen | thought you needed some memory for buffers etc for mmaping to be truly useful? | 22:17 |
| desrt | what i really want to know is if the kernel is good enough at dropping pages | 22:17 |
| desrt | it does. but unless it's stupid it won't have the entire file at once. | 22:17 |
| desrt | which is sort of exactly what i'm asking :) | 22:18 |
| ||cw | might have to just try it | 22:19 |
| * desrt will :p | 22:19 | |
| Veggen | vel...i dette tilfellet er jo største aksjonær staten? Og med større inntekter, kan det bidra til å sikre statens inntekter, og dermed bedre mulighetene til staten til å yte tjenester? I en ideell verden, that is ;) | 22:20 |
| Veggen | wrong channel. | 22:20 |
| desrt | don't worry. we all understood :) | 22:20 |
| Tak | heh | 22:21 |
| mlpug | how do you properly change the name of 770. i wrote "lupu" into /etc/hosts and "control panel / device / device name" | 22:22 |
| desrt | mlpug; check for some /etc/hostname or such | 22:22 |
| mlpug | the device throws some strange unable to lookup via gethostbyname() errors | 22:22 |
| mlpug | no sorry. I mean I wrote it exactly there (not into /etc/hosts | 22:23 |
| ||cw | also run "hostname lupu" | 22:23 |
| desrt | erm. perhaps you should also check /etc/hosts then | 22:23 |
| desrt | your own hostname ought to be in /etc/hosts | 22:23 |
| mlpug | yes i had the old name in /etc/hosts. i corrected that one. lets see if this helps... | 22:25 |
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| jubei | anyone have any expierence with python and gtk on the 770 ? | 22:43 |
| buck68 | jubei: i have played with pygtk on the 770 some... | 22:44 |
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| jubei | did you ever end up using a comboboxentry ? | 22:44 |
| buck68 | no, i don't thinkso. i did something with regular text entry, but not combo box | 22:45 |
| jubei | ah | 22:46 |
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| _Handful_ | Tak: thanks for the feedback, that thing was really a bug | 22:53 |
| _Handful_ | gustavo already fixed it =) | 22:53 |
| Tak | np | 22:53 |
| Tak | yeah, I got the email already | 22:54 |
| _Handful_ | so it's going to be on the update we are finishing =) | 22:54 |
| Tak | cool | 22:54 |
| Tak | I guessed it was a "if(someexistingpath.startswith(newpath)) ignore();" thing | 22:54 |
| _Handful_ | yeah near that (missed a slash for comparison ) =) | 22:56 |
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| jubei | so i'm getting a neat error, a comboboxentry wont render properly if its in a scrolled window | 22:58 |
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| carlosguerreiro | Hello | 23:13 |
| Tak | howdy | 23:14 |
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| carlosguerreiro | What's hot? | 23:15 |
| * Tak shrugs | 23:16 | |
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| jamey | hi carlosguerreiro | 23:20 |
| tigert | hi carlosguerreiro | 23:21 |
| tigert | erm | 23:21 |
| carlosguerreiro | Hi jamey | 23:21 |
| tigert | carlos, rather :) | 23:21 |
| carlosguerreiro | Hi tigert | 23:21 |
| tigert | carlosguerreiro: I hate 16bit X :P | 23:22 |
| carlosguerreiro | I suppose I need to get myself a proper alias | 23:22 |
| tigert | carlosguerreiro: "carlos" would be just fine :) | 23:22 |
| tigert | or do it WikiStyle | 23:22 |
| tigert | CarlosGuerreiro is just ok too | 23:22 |
| tigert | a bit long thouhg, but leaves no question of the identity :) | 23:22 |
| carlosguerreiro | Well, 16bit is what we have in the 770... | 23:22 |
| tigert | carlosguerreiro: exactly that is why I hate it. my theme makes horrible banding in gradients | 23:22 |
| tko | tigert, you hate the device? omg!1 :) | 23:22 |
| tigert | no, I love the device | 23:23 |
| robtaylor | hey carlosguerreiro, looking forward to xmas? :) | 23:23 |
| tigert | but it sucks that the gradients look bad. I need to do some slight pattern there to fix that | 23:23 |
| carlosguerreiro | tigert: dithering? | 23:23 |
| tigert | carlosguerreiro: yea, perhaps | 23:23 |
| _Handful_ | tigert: 16bits is really complicated for gradients : / | 23:23 |
| tigert | it is | 23:23 |
| _Handful_ | but.. then we can do some old school games graphics dithered =) | 23:24 |
| tigert | but I have some ideas | 23:24 |
| _Handful_ | lol | 23:24 |
| robtaylor | tigert: are you doing the artwork in inkscape? | 23:24 |
| carlosguerreiro | Hi robtaylor: yes, though it looks it will not be a white Xmas this year :-( | 23:24 |
| robtaylor | carlosguerreiro: i thought it was always white in Helsinki.. | 23:25 |
| * pahartik wonders about if easy application to transfer X11 primary selection contents from X11 server to another over Bluetooth OBEX already exists | 23:25 | |
| tigert | http://tigert.1g.fi/kuvat/Nokia770/sneak.png | 23:26 |
| tigert | robtaylor: yes | 23:26 |
| robtaylor | tigert: v. nice :) | 23:26 |
| tigert | I think I have found the style for the maemo development theme | 23:26 |
| tigert | :) | 23:26 |
| robtaylor | tigert: hmm, maybe png export needs some colourdepth options =) | 23:26 |
| _Handful_ | tigert: nice job! | 23:27 |
| tigert | we must get rid of the purple "looks like 2004" skin | 23:27 |
| _Handful_ | :) | 23:27 |
| tigert | but man, it takes time to do a theme consistently accross the widgetry | 23:27 |
| tigert | it doesnt help when you change your mind several times along the road | 23:27 |
| tigert | but I think this is nice | 23:28 |
| carlosguerreiro | tigert, looks nice :-) | 23:28 |
| tko | mmm, rounded corners.. they're still in, right? =) | 23:29 |
| _Handful_ | well, if you keep that simple smooth style.. you'll hit pretty good on this one | 23:29 |
| _Handful_ | tko: rounded corners rox =) | 23:29 |
| tigert | lets see | 23:30 |
| tigert | I want to finish this soon | 23:30 |
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| tko | just checking. I'll check about shadows and other bling next year :) | 23:30 |
| tigert | :) | 23:30 |
| tigert | hey, it doesnt have much gloss! | 23:30 |
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| carlosguerreiro | We really should do something about the bugzilla structure | 23:38 |
| carlosguerreiro | There are regular complaints. Last one was from Jose Dapena Paz, I think | 23:39 |
| carlosguerreiro | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-November/006229.html | 23:40 |
| tko | carlosguerreiro, we just had a short chat on the topic with erik and we pretty much agreed that we have to have a direct svn component <-> bugzilla component mapping | 23:40 |
| tko | whether the source package is the bottommost component or can have subcomponents is open for debate, but would be useful for complex pieces | 23:41 |
| tko | last time I suggested the per-package structure, guess it was bad timing, it was correctly argued the change would invalidate everyone's saved queries | 23:42 |
| carlosguerreiro | But how much of a problem is that really? | 23:43 |
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| tko | I think it's mostly just resisting any change | 23:43 |
| sp3000 | saved queries over what? | 23:44 |
| tko | oh, and in the public bugzilla that is not even a problem :) | 23:44 |
| * sp3000 just has a bookmark for 'recent' bugs | 23:44 | |
| sp3000 | where 'recent' is 600 days | 23:44 |
| carlosguerreiro | tko, that's what I was thinking ;-) | 23:44 |
| tko | sp3000, you can save any query you make | 23:44 |
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| sp3000 | on other bugzillas I tend to use four--five or so days, which is about the asme number of bugs :D | 23:45 |
| carlosguerreiro | I think a more significant issue is that only products support versions, not components. so we would to have a long list modules at the top level - as products | 23:46 |
| * sp3000 feels complex queries are overrated anyway, well, except for limited tasks that probably trigger better by bugmail anyway... | 23:46 | |
| tko | carlosguerreiro, given the current high volume use of bugzilla I guess all it takes is a list of source packages, admin access and half an hour and no one would even notice :) | 23:47 |
| tko | carlosguerreiro, which is not really a problem either | 23:47 |
| tko | "The maemo SDK" could be just another product itself | 23:48 |
| carlosguerreiro | I was rather thinking of keeping the current products except haf. And then adding one product for each svn module | 23:49 |
| tko | worksforme :) | 23:49 |
| carlosguerreiro | I have admin rights ;-). If I add the products and versions will you help me move the bugs? | 23:50 |
| * sp3000 pokes timelyx | 23:50 | |
| sp3000 | you love bugzilla reorgs, right? ;) | 23:50 |
| tko | too bad the admin interface which allows component owners to define milestones and such is gnome modification :-/ | 23:51 |
| carlosguerreiro | Some bugs do get synced and some requests to get acted on, but yes, it's rather a minority | 23:52 |
| tko | carlosguerreiro, I'm mostly booked tomorrow and I'm trying to leave for holidays tomorrow.. but january no problem, wouldn't want to make promises earlier | 23:52 |
| carlosguerreiro | kaatis, we are moving in that direction with the Hildon Application Framework. We're actually not that far there | 23:53 |
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| tko | looking at redhat bugzilla using the product (as in maemo sdk or fedora core) version would probably work just fine | 23:55 |
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| tko | especially if in haf scope we could start doing regular point releases during development / maintenance | 23:56 |
| robtaylor | tigert: you need to pursuade someone to get 16bit colour depth renderin into cairo.. | 23:56 |
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| tigert | lets make it fast first :) | 23:57 |
| tigert | and while we are at it, gtk2 could be a bit faster too :) | 23:57 |
| * tigert remembers old gtk1 apps with love | 23:57 | |
| tigert | in THAT regard | 23:57 |
| tigert | not any other regard :) | 23:58 |
| Tak | the notify bugfix should help with the fastitude | 23:58 |
| carlosguerreiro | tko, have a look at the Red Hat Raw Hide product... | 23:58 |
| robtaylor | tigert: well, i was more thinking if cairo had a 16bit mode, you could hack up some options to rsvg to render to 16bit color depth | 23:59 |
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| robtaylor | tigert: the speed thing's actually coming on pretty well now, thankfully | 23:59 |
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