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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:54 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:16 |
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| inz | goddammit, left stylus @home | 12:45 |
| inz | God bless thumb kb =) | 12:46 |
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| tigert | thumb keyboard rox0rs | 13:01 |
| tigert | I made meeting notes with it. the scary part is I am fast enough already | 13:01 |
| timeless | heh | 13:01 |
| inz | You've been ircing way too much | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | Hmm repository.maemo.org is very, very slow for me. Anyone else noticed that? | 13:13 |
| tigert | hmm | 13:13 |
| tigert | konttori_: around? | 13:13 |
| konttori_ | yah | 13:13 |
| tigert | konttori_: do you remember offhand the default font sizes for themes for thememaker? | 13:13 |
| tigert | siunce I think the ones thememaker defaults to are smaller than the ones in the device? | 13:13 |
| konttori_ | 12.75 for text and 29 for big font | 13:14 |
| tigert | I mean, the ones in os2006 default? | 13:14 |
| konttori_ | Umm... Oh, like the *original* ... could be 16.75 for text | 13:14 |
| * pahartik just got Nokia 770 from local store, after dreaming about it for ~18 moons | 13:14 | |
| konttori_ | congrats! | 13:14 |
| tigert | konttori_: did .85 have the layouts stuff? | 13:15 |
| tigert | or was it some prerelease? | 13:15 |
| timeless | garage was fast enough when i tried to get the empty osso-xterm svn project :) | 13:16 |
| konttori_ | Only the latest alpha version has layout stuff. | 13:16 |
| tigert | url again, sorry? | 13:17 |
| tigert | its not on the website I guess? | 13:17 |
| tigert | or is it in garage? | 13:17 |
| konttori_ | And even that's not 100% working. I think I fixed it this morning before I had to start *working*, but didnt' have the time to test it. | 13:17 |
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| konttori_ | I'll take a lunch brake soon and I'll test it then | 13:17 |
| tigert | okay | 13:18 |
| konttori_ | If it works, I can send you the latest build | 13:18 |
| tigert | ok | 13:19 |
| tigert | I think .9 is not even new enough | 13:19 |
| tigert | that would be sweet, let me know - or can I test? | 13:19 |
| tigert | but have the lunch :) | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Errors when installing hildon-theme-plankton-3 in Sardine. Under what item in bugzilla should I file a bug? | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | haf -> desktop? or haf->ui toolkit? | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | or hildon libs. | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | Ah hildon libs points to MDK. | 13:23 |
| tigert | yea that would be the right guy atleast | 13:30 |
| tigert | X-Fade: what errors? | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | tigert: You should have mail :) | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | I filed the bug already.. | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | Ah no, you aren't CC-ed for that bug.. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=909 | 13:32 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, crap. Upgrading from herring to sardine gives me the 'White desktop' again! | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | I wonder how I can debug that? | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | The only thing that works is pressing the powerbutton. That displays the menu. | 13:49 |
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| pokute_ | Reflash and install an ssh server? | 13:52 |
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| X-Fade | pokute_: I have dualboot ;) | 13:54 |
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| X-Fade | So I can mount the partition from the other os. | 13:55 |
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| tigert | ok | 14:26 |
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| konttori_ | tigert: | 14:35 |
| konttori_ | I've now been able to get the theme to install based on -2 layout txt and image | 14:36 |
| konttori_ | However, I had to rename some of the images in the layout.txt | 14:36 |
| konttori_ | But even then... the resulting theme isn't too good looking. I'll try to see why. | 14:37 |
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| konttori_ | left bar is completely white | 14:37 |
| tigert | ok | 14:39 |
| tigert | do you use the gtkrc also? | 14:39 |
| konttori_ | Nope. I use an older 2006 gtkrc. | 14:43 |
| konttori_ | Would it be wise to use the -2 gtrc? | 14:43 |
| tigert | do a diff? | 14:44 |
| tigert | it should be the same | 14:44 |
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| tigert | but | 14:44 |
| tigert | you need to use -2 template and -2 gtkrc of course | 14:45 |
| tigert | os2006 is -2 afaik | 14:45 |
| tigert | if it isnt, then there is a problem in the template | 14:45 |
| tigert | I'll have to see | 14:45 |
| konttori_ | I think I found the problem | 14:45 |
| tigert | mixing -3 template with -2 gtkrc is not goign to work | 14:45 |
| florian_kc | hi all | 14:47 |
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| tigert | konttori_: any luck? :) | 15:02 |
| tigert | hi florian_kc | 15:02 |
| konttori_ | Slowly.... | 15:02 |
| tigert | :) | 15:03 |
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| MDK | konttori_: we tested layout-2, should work with the supplied gtkrc | 15:06 |
| * tigert builds the theme Nth time | 15:07 | |
| MDK | konttori_: BTW, speaking about the "bundles" -- is it okay for you if the bundles come in .tar.gz format? | 15:07 |
| MDK | (since I assume you have .tar.gz lib somewhere at hand to compress debian packages...) | 15:07 |
| konttori_ | Well, considering that I can always repackage them as well if needed, it doesn't matter. I I can't get the tar lib to process it, I'll just put the package to a zip. | 15:09 |
| tigert | konttori_: would be nice for users to be able to just fetch a bundle though | 15:11 |
| tigert | this way the tool would be sorta generic | 15:11 |
| tigert | and one could do modified bundles too, to make the borders etc different size | 15:12 |
| tigert | then you wouldnt need to have the font settings etc on the tool itself | 15:12 |
| tigert | but those could be part of the bundle? | 15:12 |
| tigert | so someone could share a "small fonts" template for example | 15:12 |
| konttori_ | I think it's better that people don't have to know how to edit the bundle to be able to create different font sizes | 15:18 |
| konttori_ | or change fonts | 15:18 |
| konttori_ | I was thinking of addind possibility to install fonts as part of the theme | 15:18 |
| konttori_ | e.g. windows themes include fonts | 15:18 |
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| tigert | yea | 15:23 |
| tigert | you should just probably package a bunch of fonts separately | 15:23 |
| tigert | not make one huge megatheme? | 15:23 |
| pokute_ | have the font package suggest/require the font package? | 15:27 |
| MDK | konttori_: I was asking about .tar.gz since we don't have zip in sbox env | 15:27 |
| MDK | and getting it in would be a pain | 15:28 |
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| konttori_ | no probs | 15:34 |
| konttori_ | i'll try to get the tar to open | 15:34 |
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| konttori_ | do you have compiled -2 gtkrc file? A compilation that contains all rcs? | 15:57 |
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| thomas | Hi all! | 16:06 |
| tigert | konttori_: ask MDK | 16:12 |
| tigert | lemme poke him | 16:13 |
| MDK | konttori_: you mean the bundle? | 16:13 |
| thomas | I don't know if this is the right place to ask, buz.. is there any way to get rid of busybox so I can install things like net-tools (for a decent route-command)..? | 16:18 |
| * pahartik wonders what is "Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2)" all about, when trying to "sudo ./flasher.linux_ppc -F SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R" | 16:20 | |
| AD-N770 | pahartik i think is because you are using an old flasher tool | 16:22 |
| jtra | perhaps flasher 2.0 is needed | 16:22 |
| pahartik | AD-N770: very well... I do not see one at "http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php"... | 16:23 |
| sp3000 | thomas: in some cases dpkg --force-overwrite -i works usefully | 16:24 |
| thomas | thanks :-) | 16:24 |
| AD-N770 | pahartik you shoud ask to nokia in that case | 16:26 |
| AD-N770 | or use one of the supported platforms | 16:26 |
| AD-N770 | to flash scirocco on your device | 16:27 |
| pahartik | AD-N770: oh, I think I will try that last option | 16:29 |
| konttori_ | MDK: yeah. Sorry. | 16:29 |
| MDK | konttori_: a sec | 16:41 |
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| konttori_ | I took gtkrc from device installed theme now. | 16:42 |
| konttori_ | But It would be great to test with the bundle as well | 16:42 |
| MDK | konttori_: sent | 16:44 |
| konttori_ | thanks | 16:45 |
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| X-Fade | MDK: Any idea how to debug a 'White desktop' problem? | 16:45 |
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| MDK | X-Fade: white desktop? You mean maemo-launcher crashing? | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | MDK: Well, I can't really tell ;) | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | The power menu does work.. | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | But nothing else.. | 16:50 |
| MDK | hmm, prolly something else than | 16:50 |
| MDK | X-Fade: that's sardine? | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | yep. | 16:50 |
| MDK | did you switch to plankton theme? | 16:51 |
| inz | It may be crasing maemo-launcher, system UI doesn't use it. | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | I just updated from the regular image to sardine. Rebooted and it was like this.. | 16:51 |
| MDK | ah. So I guess it's the old maemo-launcher again | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | It installed the plankton theme, but I haven't selected it. | 16:52 |
| thomas | sp3000: that didn't help... dpkg says busybox conflicts with net-tools | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | If I dualboot, mount,chroot and apt-get upgrade. Everything is up to date. Nothing is pending.. | 16:53 |
| MDK | X-Fade: I'll try to setup sardine from scratch tomorrow on a spare machine | 16:54 |
| MDK | I did my last sardine upgrade a week ago | 16:54 |
| MDK | but managed to breake it completely since than | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | thomas: the right solution would be to build a net-tools package specifically for the 770 | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | and use dpkg-divert to push the busybox commands aside | 16:55 |
| thomas | okay.. i would think that packages from repository.maemo.org are build specifically for the 770? | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | MDK: I have installed Sardine about 10 times over the last half year orso ;) And it always ended in the white desktop dead thing.. | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | thomas: no, they are built specifically for stratchbox, and most of them work on the 770 as well by happy accident | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | at least that's my understanding of the situation (I don't work for nokia etc etc disclaim disclaim) | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | But it is hard to debug when I can't get a connection running and log in.. | 16:56 |
| thomas | hmm.. okay.. | 16:57 |
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| MDK | X-Fade: I'm running sardine too, like I said, last week it was working fine for me | 17:01 |
| MDK | though it required some manual pushing during apt-get | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | MDK: Yeah, but this time i hadn't any problems upgrading packages etc. After reboot it just didn't work ;) | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | I'm trying to find out what package is to blame.. | 17:03 |
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| spaetz | why the heck is maemochron the most popular project featured on tableteer? | 17:18 |
| spaetz | it's a week old, has no news, mailing lists, or fora. thee are no svn commits either | 17:19 |
| spaetz | that does look to me like marketeering, not tableteering | 17:20 |
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| Jaffa | spaetz: Is the screenshot on the ApplicationCatalog2006 page (syndicated on planet.maemo.org) linking into their project on garage somehow? | 17:21 |
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| spaetz | mmh, they are actually linked, that might have boosted the weekly stats, true | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | Same thing happened with Karolina's airplane metrics thing | 17:24 |
| * spaetz apologizes if the author feels offended, i have nothing against it :-) | 17:25 | |
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| pahartik | AD-N770: I got Bluetooth OBEX file transfer working between Apple iBook G4 and Nokia 770, but "SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin" does not seem to fit on 64 MiB RS-MMC | 17:52 |
| AD-N770 | pahartik, you need a bigger RS-MMC :) I've a nice one with 1GiB now | 17:55 |
| AD-N770 | pahartik I think that the easier solution for you is find I32 computer running linux or windows | 17:58 |
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| pahartik | AD-N770: yes, I plan to get one soon... one of those fast-capable 1 or 2 GiB MMCmobile cards | 18:02 |
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| pahartik | AD-N770: and... my brother does use MacOS X on his PowerMacintosh workstation... I think I will try update with that during next weekend when I see him | 18:06 |
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| pahartik | AD-N770: though, flashing from MMC is supposed to work just fine? | 18:08 |
| AD-N770 | I never tried it | 18:09 |
| AD-N770 | but I think there was a howto on the wiki about that | 18:09 |
| AD-N770 | pahartik you can check that link related to MacOS X http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithMacOSX | 18:10 |
| AD-N770 | or you can try to flash the device in a public computer (school, library, ...) | 18:11 |
| pahartik | AD-N770: I can see "flasher-2.0.macosx" but no "flasher-2.0.linux_ppc" at "http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php"... | 18:13 |
| pahartik | AD-N770: but anyway, I can start to figure out things about Maemo with current version | 18:16 |
| AD-N770 | I think so too | 18:16 |
| AD-N770 | you can play nethack if you want | 18:17 |
| AD-N770 | I'm preparing a new release as a cristmas gift :) | 18:18 |
| pahartik | AD-N770: if I start that, I can easily get stuck on it and do nothing else for few moons, except for going out once every few days to get food stuff | 18:19 |
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| AD-N770 | pahartik :) | 18:20 |
| pahartik | AD-N770: so I try to avoid | 18:20 |
| AD-N770 | I understand | 18:20 |
| AD-N770 | I mainly use my device for reading ebooks as end user | 18:21 |
| AD-N770 | and some ocasional net browsing | 18:22 |
| AD-N770 | and when I find time some hacking on multimedia stuff or the nethack port | 18:22 |
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| desrt | shapr; wtf? | 20:49 |
| desrt | shapr; porting ghci to the 770 for us? :) | 20:50 |
| mlpug | i did command : ./flasher.dapper -r Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.1_armel-rootfs.jffs2 -f -R . when I boot the 770 the only thing I see is blue text NOKIA. what went wrong? | 20:54 |
| mlpug | next I will try 2.0 if no other suggestions | 20:55 |
| desrt | anyway... guys... i wanna hack on maemomapper. is there a dev channel for that? | 20:57 |
| * desrt has invented a file format to save time/space for storing map tiles | 20:58 | |
| koen | desrt: forward porting the no-hildon patch would be neat | 20:58 |
| desrt | there's a no-hildon patch?!? | 20:58 |
| desrt | holy crap i want that | 20:58 |
| desrt | anyway. it's in very non-UIish areas, so i doubt it would matter | 20:59 |
| koen | http://home.tal.org/%7Emilang/n770/maemo-mapper-desktop-20061114-001.patch | 20:59 |
| desrt | i see awesome. | 20:59 |
| koen | that makes hildon optional, so you can run it on regular platfroms as well | 20:59 |
| koen | + http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/maemo-mapper/files/fix_segfault.patch | 21:00 |
| desrt | uh? | 21:00 |
| buck68 | mplug: i use flasher-2.0 on ubuntu (edgy) without problem... i have 2.1 root image installed on my 770 with it | 21:00 |
| desrt | koen; what does this one do? | 21:00 |
| desrt | i take it this no-hildon patch is against CVS.... | 21:01 |
| * desrt watches it utterly fail to apply to stable release | 21:02 | |
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| koen | desrt: you need to apply it against rev 53 or something (the one on 20061114) | 21:22 |
| desrt | that seems not useful. | 21:23 |
| koen | that's why I said it needs to be forward ported | 21:23 |
| desrt | oh. | 21:24 |
| desrt | i thought you were asking me to forward-port my work to the no-hildon patch. | 21:24 |
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| mlpug | can I have command prompt access to the device with ITOS 2.2006.39-14 from http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%28CategoryFlashing%29 or do I need some special image | 21:45 |
| buck68 | mplug: yes... there is xterm (i think installed by default or trivial to install, but I don't remember which), or what I personally do is ssh from my PC to the 770 over the USB cable, and issue commands from the ssh login | 21:47 |
| desrt | xterm trivial to install | 21:48 |
| buck68 | mplug.. oh wait... my bad I was talking about the developer image. but i think it still applies to the ITOS image | 21:48 |
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| desrt | buck68; is there an automatic setup for usb networking these days or is it still more or less manual? | 21:48 |
| buck68 | desrt: the device side setup is already done on the developer image... | 21:49 |
| desrt | i get the impression i ought to be running that image | 21:49 |
| buck68 | desrt: umm, it depends. that image has lots of stuff missing too. i'm luck to have several 770s, so i run with the ITOS image, and another with the developer image. if i only had one device, I'd probably look into doing dual/multi-boot | 21:51 |
| buck68 | but yea, i tend to use the developer image more | 21:51 |
| desrt | i'm personally fascinated by maemomapper at the moment :) | 21:53 |
| desrt | i don't suppose the dev image has gcc on it? :) | 21:54 |
| buck68 | yep | 21:54 |
| buck68 | oh wait...sratch taht | 21:55 |
| mlpug | what is the developer image? is it Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.1_armel-rootfs.jffs2 . If yes, it seems to be missing kernel. just rootfs without kernel?? | 21:55 |
| buck68 | yes it is root fs without a kernel... i'm not sure if it is necessary, but i always install the 2006 update ITOS first, which does include the kernel, and then install the above rootfs | 21:56 |
| desrt | so here's a question | 21:56 |
| desrt | does anyone have a problem with their device where sometimes it seems to not go to sleep properly? | 21:56 |
| desrt | it gives no signs of not sleeping other than the fact that it drains its battery very rapidly | 21:56 |
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| Johannes | Hello... how do I upload the translation och canola? | 22:49 |
| Johannes | of* | 22:49 |
| _Handful_ | Hi johannes | 22:49 |
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| Johannes | :) | 22:49 |
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| _Handful_ | you can send it to us, as we are setting up how to receive that... | 22:50 |
| _Handful_ | please send it to andrunko AT gmail com | 22:50 |
| andrunko | hey that's me :) | 22:50 |
| _Handful_ | yeah =) | 22:50 |
| _Handful_ | =) | 22:50 |
| Johannes | please check so I have not done eny wroths | 22:51 |
| Johannes | any* | 22:51 |
| Johannes | not so god at writing english :) | 22:51 |
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