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| keesj | can somebody recommend a virtual keyboard to use in a SDL application ? | 10:20 |
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| keesj | is read that gp2xmess contains a virtual keyboard http://users.adelphia.net/~bsturk/gp2x/README | 10:21 |
| keesj | does scummvm contain text input? | 10:23 |
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| pokute_ | keesj: Save file entry. :-) | 11:42 |
| keesj | where? | 11:44 |
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| devesh | guys .. i am trying to enable mthumb option for building, does anyone know how i can do so in debian rules file cleanly ??? | 14:55 |
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| tko | devesh, see existing packages? :) | 14:59 |
| tko | ifneq (,$(findstring thumb,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) | 15:00 |
| tko | CFLAGS += -mthumb | 15:00 |
| tko | endif | 15:00 |
| devesh | i have , but i am not yet very clear how the thing work | 15:00 |
| devesh | so do i have to set env variable DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS | 15:00 |
| devesh | before i run dpkg-buildpackage | 15:00 |
| tko | the basic idea is that build environment is expected to set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=thumb,maemo-launcher and whatnot when those things are wanted | 15:00 |
| tko | yep | 15:00 |
| tko | hmm, I wonder if sardine build env does that actually... | 15:01 |
| devesh | at least in our armel scratchbox its not done by default, i think , or am i missing something. so is the guideline | 15:01 |
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| devesh | that i have a .profile or .bash script which sets this env up ? | 15:01 |
| devesh | tko : and i also checked, where abi stuff was also specified .. it would be nice somewhere this is documented. I think code density is good with thimb option | 15:02 |
| tko | setting it in .profile is a little bit easier than setting it just for dpkg-buildpackage, though do not set the env var on 386 target! | 15:03 |
| devesh | yes | 15:03 |
| tko | thumb indeed decreases the code size, but it had some other tradeoffs.. IIRC they were related to fpu, though | 15:04 |
| devesh | does the file command shows that the binary is thumb ??? | 15:04 |
| koen | tko: thumb instructions are slower, and the interworking takes extra cycles | 15:05 |
| koen | 'bx' causes a pipeline flush | 15:05 |
| tko | no, readelf does. I've forgotten the details, they're in an internal wiki.. should probably move the to public, come to think of it | 15:06 |
| tko | I'm sure koen knows the stuff by heart :) | 15:06 |
| devesh | koen: isnt it that thumb instructions are pretty much shortcuts, so should not have a performance penalty | 15:06 |
| koen | devesh: that's what ARM ltd marketing wants you to believe | 15:06 |
| devesh | koen : so why is there a performance penalty ?? any good link to become a bit more aware of these issues | 15:07 |
| tko | well, decreased code size should improve cache locality as well. the performance penalty wasn't that big IIRC | 15:07 |
| koen | if your app needs a non-thumb instruction a lot you loose because the pipeline gets flushed all the time | 15:08 |
| koen | tko: right | 15:08 |
| koen | tko: 'regular' apps will run 'faster' due to being smaller and jffs2 sucking | 15:08 |
| devesh | tko : ifneq (,$(findstring thumb,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) | 15:09 |
| devesh | CFLAGS += -mthumb | 15:09 |
| devesh | endif | 15:09 |
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| devesh | is ithis good ???? i also set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=thumb | 15:09 |
| tko | devesh, yes, works for gtk :) | 15:10 |
| devesh | but atleast the file command does not show it is thumb | 15:10 |
| devesh | debian/synaptic/usr/sbin/synaptic: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 15:10 |
| koen | the easiest way is to compare file sizes | 15:10 |
| tko | file does not make any difference, you need readelf with some options and grep for something | 15:11 |
| tko | ...or compare file sizes :) | 15:11 |
| devesh | i am doing something wrong, size is the same | 15:11 |
| devesh | is there any other magic ??? | 15:11 |
| tko | devesh, you did use export, right? | 15:12 |
| devesh | export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=thumb | 15:13 |
| devesh | humm .. trying again | 15:14 |
| tko | devesh, and CFLAGS is correctly passed to configure script etc? | 15:14 |
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| devesh | aah that might be a problem ... | 15:16 |
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| devesh | tko: do i pass it like ./configure $(CFLAGS) ??? | 15:20 |
| AD-N770 | hi all | 15:21 |
| keesj | devesh, http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/DesktopDebugging DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 15:22 |
| tko | CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure | 15:22 |
| devesh | ok, did this , also added this to CPPFLAGS .. not atleast i see it in the compile command .. so looks good now :) | 15:24 |
| devesh | keesj: thanks !! | 15:25 |
| * tko wonders why that page is not in the maemo.org wiki.. | 15:26 | |
| devesh | i will add that to useful thinks section :) right now | 15:26 |
| devesh | done .. ;) | 15:30 |
| devesh | and now i can see binary size drop from 680kb to 500kb :) i am happy !! | 15:32 |
| devesh | thanks guys | 15:32 |
| koen | devesh: cheers | 15:36 |
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| devesh | how do i turn off -g in ./configure ??? | 15:40 |
| koen | is there a --disable-debug option? | 15:41 |
| devesh | but is it not that strip would anyway remove the debug symbols ? | 15:44 |
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| tko | you should *always* (debian policy) have -g set when compiling. dh_strip will then (not) strip the debugging symbols, depending on DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip | 15:57 |
| koen | doesn't debian have -dbg packages for that? | 15:59 |
| tko | compiling != package | 16:02 |
| koen | right | 16:02 |
| tko | it would be rather silly to build without -g and yet make a dbg package | 16:02 |
| koen | right again | 16:02 |
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| rdz | hi all | 17:06 |
| rdz | i am trying to get mplayer work on the Nokia 770. i tried different audio outs: when using 'gst', mplayer crashes immediately. with 'esd' its only coming noise out of the speaker. with 'sdl' i get a noise as well, that sounds different from the 'esd'. what is a recommended player to play audio and what is a recommended output? | 17:10 |
| rdz | i tried both mp3 and wav | 17:11 |
| pokute_ | which version of mplayer? | 17:12 |
| rdz | pokute_, MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.2 | 17:13 |
| pokute_ | have you tried different videos? | 17:13 |
| rdz | pokute_, i only tried playing an audio file | 17:13 |
| rdz | pokute_, why do you expect that audio works better with a video file? | 17:14 |
| pokute_ | what's the audio format? | 17:14 |
| rdz | as i mentioned: mp3 and wav. i tried both | 17:14 |
| pokute_ | hmm. try mp3 with I think mp3dsp (or dspmp3) audio output. | 17:15 |
| rdz | do you mean mpegpes? | 17:16 |
| rdz | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound | 17:16 |
| pokute_ | Aa. -ao gst -ac dspmp3 | 17:17 |
| rdz | mplayer[1056]: GLIB ERROR ** default - file ao_gst.c: line 126 (init_gstreamer): assertion failed: (mp3sink) | 17:17 |
| pokute_ | Chances are, mplayer bugs with playing audio files, as it can play audio streams of videos quite fine for me. | 17:18 |
| rdz | pokute_, aha ok... i'll try a video file, then | 17:19 |
| rdz | thank you so far | 17:19 |
| * pahartik wonders if "Presently there is no known driver for the audio input, so Linux apps can not use the microphone..." described at "http://maemo.org/maemowiki/EnableMic" is still the case | 17:19 | |
| suihkulokki | pahartik: thats incorrect (there always was a way) and out of date (now you can use even gstreamer to record) | 17:21 |
| pahartik | suihkulokki: damn, incorrect information has been sitting on that document for at least 11 moons... | 17:24 |
| rdz | pokute_, i can play a video file with the '-nosound'-flag | 17:29 |
| rdz | but mplayer crashes with the same error when i don't disable audio | 17:29 |
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| pokute_ | rdz: Definitely weird. Try reboot. Maybe something has crashed the sound system. :-) | 17:33 |
| rdz | pokute_, today is not the first time i try it. it was the same last time | 17:33 |
| rdz | pokute_, the thing is, that i did not install maemo myself on this device. i am just trying to help a friend with figuring out, how to play an audiofile trough the commandline | 17:35 |
| rdz | maybe mplayer is an overkill | 17:35 |
| pokute_ | Does any audio stuff work? | 17:35 |
| pokute_ | rdz: Preferably, a gstreamer interface could be the best... | 17:35 |
| pokute_ | Maemo-developer mailing list had some info on it day or two ago. | 17:36 |
| rdz | pokute_, yes. when i change the volume i hear the jingle-sound | 17:36 |
| rdz | pokute_, ok. i'll have a look thanks | 17:36 |
| rdz | is there no other commandline based tool to play audio files? | 17:58 |
| rdz | that mplayer doesn't work here, is a pain... :-( | 17:59 |
| ssvb | rdz, does standard audio player work for mp3 files on this device? | 18:00 |
| rdz | ssvb, which is the standard audio player? | 18:01 |
| ssvb | gui audio player that is preinstalled on the device | 18:01 |
| ssvb | top entry in the application start menu | 18:02 |
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| rdz | ssvb, i must be blind. i still cannot find it | 18:03 |
| rdz | there a few apps in applications-> 'Extras' | 18:04 |
| ssvb | there is a chance that something got broken (probably after installing some thirdparty packages), if default audio player refuses to work as well, you may have to reflash the device | 18:04 |
| ssvb | it is in applications->''Audio Player' | 18:04 |
| rdz | ssvb, i don't have category 'Audio PLayer'. what does that mean? | 18:05 |
| rdz | there is only: web, contact, tools, utilities, games, extras | 18:05 |
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| ssvb | look at menu entries that are higher than 'web' | 18:06 |
| ssvb | you should have 'Audio Player', 'Video player', 'RSS feed reader' and 'File manager' there | 18:07 |
| AD-N770 | hi all | 18:07 |
| rdz | ssvb, really, i don't have them | 18:07 |
| rdz | ssvb, what maemo version are you using? | 18:08 |
| rdz | rdz, maybe my installation is already broken...... | 18:08 |
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| AD-N770 | rdz are you talking about scratchbox or about the device ? | 18:12 |
| rdz | ssvb, do you know the command name? maybe i could start it from a terminal | 18:12 |
| ssvb | rdz, I still have the first release of OS2006 | 18:12 |
| rdz | AD-N770, what is scrathbox ? | 18:13 |
| keesj | rdz, it's above all the menus next to file manager rss reader and video player | 18:13 |
| AD-N770 | the tool used for cross compile (chroot) | 18:13 |
| rdz | AD-N770, my original problem is that i'd like to find a way to play an audiofile (format doesn't matter) with commandline based tool | 18:13 |
| ssvb | rdz, no, I don't know it, anyway, seems like reflashing is the best option for you (unless you have lots of useful software installed and the device is tine tuned for you) | 18:14 |
| AD-N770 | rdz: you can use gstreamer | 18:14 |
| rdz | keesj, ssvb i have scirocce installed here... | 18:14 |
| rdz | AD-N770, i'll try thanks | 18:14 |
| * rdz figures out how gstreamer works | 18:15 | |
| rdz | AD-N770, should there be a command 'gstreamer'? | 18:15 |
| ssvb | rdz: mplayer should work fine for audio, if your system does not have a completely broken audion system of course | 18:15 |
| AD-N770 | gst-launch filesrc location=<path to your file> ! decoder ! dspsink | 18:15 |
| rdz | ssvb, no, yet there is not much usefull on that thing. i am just trying out a bit. maybe reflashing is not too bad... | 18:16 |
| AD-N770 | rdz, you need to install gstreamer tools | 18:16 |
| rdz | AD-N770, thanks. what does '! decoder !' mean? | 18:16 |
| rdz | AD-N770, thanks they are already installed | 18:17 |
| AD-N770 | depending on the format of audio file | 18:17 |
| AD-N770 | you need to chose on decoder appropriate | 18:17 |
| AD-N770 | you can use gst-inspect to get a list of features supported | 18:17 |
| rdz | AD-N770, wow....cool.. | 18:17 |
| rdz | i think you already helped me a lot.. thanks | 18:18 |
| AD-N770 | depending on the format could be necessary add a demuxer in the pipeline | 18:18 |
| AD-N770 | filesrc ! demuxer ! decoder ! dspsink | 18:18 |
| rdz | AD-N770, i'd like to play a wav-file | 18:19 |
| AD-N770 | i think that was a message about that on maemo list last week | 18:19 |
| rdz | have you an example line at hand for playing a wav-file? | 18:19 |
| AD-N770 | give me some minutes | 18:19 |
| ssvb | rdz, you can run 'gst-inspect' to see what gstreamer elements are available | 18:20 |
| rdz | AD-N770, hey, no stress... i am already happy with all that hints you gave me | 18:20 |
| rdz | ssvb, i tried that, but don't know yet how to interpret that output ... | 18:20 |
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| kender | hi | 18:21 |
| ssvb | and construct a pipeline from them (elements are separated by '!'), the first part would be 'filesrc', next would be probably 'wavparse' and the last one 'dsppcmsink' | 18:21 |
| rdz | could it be that my gstreamer misses somethink like a 'dspsink'? | 18:24 |
| AD-N770 | you can use gst-inspect to list the features | 18:25 |
| AD-N770 | dspsink should be one of the features installed | 18:25 |
| rdz | AD-N770, yeah i used it but it doesn't appear | 18:25 |
| rdz | i try to post the output of gst-inspect somewhere | 18:26 |
| AD-N770 | sorry is dsppcmsink | 18:26 |
| AD-N770 | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=whatever.wav ! wavparse ! dsppcmsink | 18:26 |
| rdz | should filesrc be replaced by something? | 18:26 |
| rdz | what does it stand for? | 18:26 |
| rdz | WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "dsppcmsink" | 18:27 |
| rdz | that is maybe the reason why mplayer refuses to play audio? | 18:27 |
| ssvb | the only thing that needs to be replaced there is 'whatever.wav', 'filesrc' is the name of gstreamer element that reads data from files | 18:28 |
| rdz | ssvb, ok | 18:28 |
| rdz | thanls | 18:28 |
| rdz | so, am i right in thinking that may gstreamer is broken? | 18:28 |
| ssvb | rdz, looks like your audio system is really broken, I think you need to reflash your device | 18:28 |
| rdz | ssvb, jus reinstalling gstreamer would work, you think? | 18:29 |
| AD-N770 | rdz, you can try it on desktop using alsasink | 18:29 |
| AD-N770 | and after try it in n770 using dsppcmsink | 18:29 |
| AD-N770 | I wrote tuner tool in that way, first in desktop and after in scratchbox for crosscompile for the device | 18:30 |
| AD-N770 | if dsppcmsink don't work, could be a problem with the kernel that you are running | 18:31 |
| AD-N770 | something related to the dsptasks | 18:31 |
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| rdz | AD-N770, i tried on a ubuntu dapper machine with gstreamer installed and i get the same error here: | 18:33 |
| rdz | WARNUNG: Fehlerhafte Leitung: Kein Element »dsppcmsink« | 18:34 |
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| AD-N770 | on desktop you have to change dsppcmsink for alsasink | 18:34 |
| rdz | AD-N770, ah yes you mentioned that i am sorry.... | 18:34 |
| AD-N770 | dsppcmsink is only present on nokia 770 | 18:34 |
| rdz | i see. it works on desktop with 'alsasink' | 18:35 |
| rdz | AD-N770, do you have also scirocco installed? | 18:35 |
| AD-N770 | i'm going to install gst-tools on sirocco, i'll come in some minutes | 18:35 |
| AD-N770 | I've a pair of devices :) | 18:36 |
| rdz | AD-N770, ah op.. | 18:36 |
| rdz | hehe,ok | 18:36 |
| rdz | AD-N770, how is actually the sound played, that you hear when changing the volume? | 18:43 |
| rdz | i mean, this sound sounds nice. so there _is_ at least an opportunity on my N770 to play a sound, that works. | 18:44 |
| AD-N770 | try gst-launch audiotestsrc ! dsppcmsink | 18:44 |
| AD-N770 | it works on my sirocco | 18:45 |
| AD-N770 | if you want control volume you can add a volume element to the pipeline | 18:46 |
| AD-N770 | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=whatever.wav ! wavparse ! volume <someprop>=<somevalue> ! dsppcmsink | 18:47 |
| AD-N770 | rdz, you can use 'gst-inspect volume' to get info about the props | 18:48 |
| AD-N770 | and can do the same with the rest of gstreamer elements | 18:48 |
| rdz | still: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "dsppcmsink" | 18:48 |
| rdz | where can i download all that gstreamer stuff? | 18:48 |
| AD-N770 | strange | 18:48 |
| AD-N770 | can you ssh as root to the device ? | 18:49 |
| rdz | AD-N770, i working logged in to a shel | 18:49 |
| rdz | shell | 18:49 |
| AD-N770 | rdz, using xterm on the device ? can you run as root ? | 18:50 |
| rdz | yes, i do that all the time | 18:50 |
| AD-N770 | you can use apt-get --reinstall install | 18:50 |
| rdz | AD-N770, ah.. ok | 18:50 |
| rdz | the thing is that apt is broken, too | 18:51 |
| AD-N770 | ups | 18:51 |
| AD-N770 | in which way is broken ? | 18:51 |
| ssvb | rdz, is there anything that still works there? ;) | 18:51 |
| rdz | it is not my N770, but i try to help a friend with audio. that is why i don't know what exactly is the problem with apt | 18:51 |
| rdz | ssvb, i can play video only using mplayer... ;-= | 18:52 |
| rdz | ;-) | 18:52 |
| AD-N770 | you can try if red pill works | 18:52 |
| AD-N770 | go at application manager | 18:52 |
| AD-N770 | add a new repository | 18:53 |
| rdz | AD-N770, when doing 'apt-get <something>', it just clears the whole sources.list-file | 18:53 |
| AD-N770 | on http write matrix | 18:53 |
| AD-N770 | really strange | 18:54 |
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| rdz | yes, indeed | 18:54 |
| rdz | but you say this all works on your device with scirocco installed? | 18:55 |
| AD-N770 | yes rdz | 18:55 |
| AD-N770 | you can go at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.1/free/g/gstreamer0.10/ | 18:55 |
| AD-N770 | download debs | 18:55 |
| rdz | AD-N770, i try.... but anyway | 18:56 |
| AD-N770 | and install with dpkg | 18:56 |
| rdz | if you say, everyhting works fine on yours, than it seems more and more worht to just reinstall the whole thing. | 18:56 |
| AD-N770 | yes I think that you should reflash | 18:56 |
| rdz | but first i try to install all that gstreamer stuff | 18:56 |
| rdz | AD-N770, ok | 18:57 |
| AD-N770 | is the easier way to fix all | 18:57 |
| rdz | AD-N770, thanks a lot foryour patience and all your help | 18:57 |
| rdz | AD-N770, yeah, it seems so | 18:57 |
| AD-N770 | can you run uname -a on your device | 18:57 |
| rdz | Linux Nokia770-45 2.6.16-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jun 20 18:38:54 EEST 2006 armv5tejl unknown | 18:57 |
| AD-N770 | Linux Nokia770-39 2.6.16.27-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 19 16:46:58 EEST 2006 armv5tejl unknown | 18:58 |
| AD-N770 | on my device | 18:58 |
| AD-N770 | I don't know which kernel you are running | 18:58 |
| rdz | yours is more recent, right? | 18:59 |
| AD-N770 | it's a fresh sirocco from two weeks ago or so | 18:59 |
| rdz | ok | 18:59 |
| ssvb | hmm, and mine is: Linux Nokia770-26 2.6.16-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jun 20 18:38:54 EEST 2006 armv5tejl unknown | 19:00 |
| AD-N770 | I think that you are running I2006.1 (mistral) | 19:00 |
| rdz | AD-N770, me or ssvb ? | 19:00 |
| ssvb | i have mistral installed | 19:00 |
| AD-N770 | rdz, I think that you are running mistral | 19:00 |
| AD-N770 | almost the mistral kernel | 19:00 |
| rdz | AD-N770, oops....really? | 19:00 |
| rdz | i've been told, that it is scirocco installed. | 19:01 |
| AD-N770 | yes | 19:01 |
| rdz | ok. this is even more confusing and a reason to just reflash everything | 19:01 |
| AD-N770 | I think so | 19:01 |
| rdz | AD-N770, where is the best place for finding some documentation on how to install scirocco on N77o? | 19:08 |
| AD-N770 | you need to use flasher tool as root, flasher -F <imagefile> -f -R if I remember right | 19:10 |
| AD-N770 | check maemo/wiki | 19:10 |
| ssvb | rdz, you can also check here: http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 | 19:11 |
| rdz | thank you guys | 19:11 |
| AD-N770 | on maemo/wiki/howto/upgrade you will find some info too | 19:11 |
| ssvb | rdz, don't forget to backup everything useful that you have stored on internal flash | 19:12 |
| ssvb | after reflashing you will have a 'brand new device' :) | 19:13 |
| rdz | hehe, i hope so.. | 19:13 |
| AD-N770 | rdz after reflash I suggest you install openssh on the device, you can use the redpill trick: https://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 19:15 |
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