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| arj | anyone here with a samsung phone? | 00:17 |
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| nomis | arj: yes | 01:14 |
| arj | :-) | 01:16 |
| arj | I'm really having trouble getting my phone + n770 working together | 01:16 |
| arj | I think I'm very close but I'm currently stuck | 01:17 |
| arj | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-December/002446.html <- thread there | 01:17 |
| * nomis has not tried this yet. | 01:18 | |
| arj | bummer | 01:23 |
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| jtra | I have ported openttd to OS2006, the one on page http://openttd.toimii.net/maemo/ was only for OS2005 | 11:25 |
| jtra | it looks cool | 11:25 |
| jtra | and it is actually playable | 11:25 |
| jtra | however there are some issues, it does not show icon in taskbar and once you switch to different application, you cannot go back | 11:26 |
| jtra | http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/maemo-openttd.png | 11:41 |
| jtra | the game speed seems smooth | 11:42 |
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| * sbaturzio is away: Lunch time... | 13:53 | |
| tko | flying to/from west coast is teh pain.. I'm not sure which timezone I'm in | 13:59 |
| inz | tko, use UTC or internet time, then you'll have no trobule =) | 14:00 |
| tko | but then the sun rises and shops close at really weird (and non-constant) times | 14:01 |
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| jtra | ok, I have solved the switching problem with proper desktop file and groomed the makefile | 14:49 |
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| keesj | jtra, did you get gdb working? | 14:50 |
| jtra | now I want to implement full screen in this sdl app, the page with OS2005 version says that he solved this, but the published source tar does not contain this modification apparently | 14:51 |
| keesj | with it2006 i think it works , at least my app goes full-screen :) | 14:53 |
| jtra | keesj: the file loads into gdb when run like this: SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/gdb /usr/bin/gdb | 14:54 |
| jtra | but when I run it, it writes: | 14:55 |
| jtra | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 26 | 14:56 |
| jtra | and the program runs without honoring breakpoints | 14:56 |
| jtra | (on SDK_ARM) | 14:56 |
| keesj | idem here :( | 14:58 |
| jtra | oh well, there is fullscreen mode in openttd, but it can be selected in options only, not via fullscreen button | 15:04 |
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| keesj | OpenTTD nice! | 15:12 |
| keesj | it's pretty hard to make good photos or a running n770 with all that reflection | 15:14 |
| keesj | or = of | 15:14 |
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| jtra | well, for marketing normal foto plus placed screenshot is the best | 15:16 |
| tigert | hmm | 15:20 |
| tigert | the 770 is pretty sweet for games like that, thanks to the nice dpi on the screen | 15:20 |
| tigert | even though its small, it can fit quite a bit of stuff there | 15:20 |
| keesj | yes , the big screen is was on of the greatest choices | 15:23 |
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| tko | hmm, drwho actor changed. nothings's the same anymore :) | 15:34 |
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| dottedmag | I'm trying to find sources for the osso-applet-datetime package. Are they around? | 15:36 |
| tko | nope | 15:37 |
| dottedmag | :( | 15:38 |
| keesj | please help me remember.What is this "osso" in all the applications? | 15:39 |
| tigert | well | 15:39 |
| tigert | osso is something that people try to get rid of :) | 15:39 |
| tigert | in the app names | 15:39 |
| tigert | its actually the name of the department inside nokia that works on the 770 stuff | 15:40 |
| tigert | and thus its a bit bad name to be used in software projects | 15:40 |
| tigert | but its there for historical reasons I think | 15:40 |
| keesj | o cool | 15:40 |
| * dottedmag did clean up last department name from the protocols and source files last week at work :) | 15:40 | |
| tigert | like, the osso-themes we renamed to hildon-themes-* | 15:40 |
| tigert | because hildon is the framework | 15:41 |
| tigert | its just a relic | 15:41 |
| tigert | as far as I understand | 15:41 |
| sxpert | tigert, what's hildon then ? | 15:42 |
| tigert | you need to ask tko | 15:42 |
| tigert | I am too new in the organization to know :) | 15:42 |
| sxpert | haha | 15:42 |
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| tigert | I know there's a bottle of springwater in the office, it has the brand "Hildon", but I dunno if that is the chicken or the egg | 15:43 |
| tko | hildon is the name for the look and feel we inherited | 15:43 |
| tigert | tko: yep | 15:43 |
| sxpert | tko, does "hildon" have a meaning, or it's just a name created by marketing or something ? | 15:43 |
| inz | google search for hildon s90 yields quite a lot of results | 15:44 |
| tko | sxpert, just a name | 15:44 |
| sxpert | tko, ah ok | 15:44 |
| keesj | all those names are confusing :) maemo-desktop is the better name right? | 15:44 |
| tko | oh, it's older than I thought | 15:45 |
| keesj | I remember vaguely an entry in Karoliina?s blog | 15:45 |
| tko | we shoudl just call everything by numbers | 15:45 |
| dottedmag | tko: people don't like UUIDs :) | 15:45 |
| sxpert | dottedmag, haha | 15:45 |
| tigert | echo hildon | md5sum | 15:46 |
| tigert | 6c7250109376d6477ff9919216872a4 | 15:46 |
| tigert | c | 15:46 |
| tigert | thats our new name | 15:46 |
| tigert | now lets all join #10d0524b1392029fc629b4933ac9d1e1 | 15:46 |
| dottedmag | tigert: nice name with symmetric placement of letters :) | 15:47 |
| inz | tigert, I don't like newlines, echo -n hildon | md5sum would be better ;) | 15:47 |
| tigert | :) | 15:47 |
| dottedmag | Hmm... Anyway, is there some documentation about internals of those 6c7250109376d6477ff9919216872a4-applets? :) | 15:48 |
| tko | you mean echo -n hildon-applets|md5sum ? :) | 15:49 |
| keesj | no no , that is an excellent idea some name with a enter a backslash a minus and a quote perhaps &hil-d0n's;\n0x8802(enter) | 15:49 |
| sxpert | how about using sha1 instead. everyone knows md5 is dead :D | 15:49 |
| dottedmag | I just tried to add my timezone to the system. Everything works except control panel/desktop applets. They show timezone as 'cloc_db_city_<my locale>'. | 15:50 |
| dottedmag | s/locale/timezone/ | 15:50 |
| tigert | haha | 15:50 |
| tigert | "oops" | 15:50 |
| tigert | yea | 15:51 |
| tko | dottedmag, you didn't translate the new timezone :) | 15:51 |
| tigert | because you need a translation too | 15:51 |
| dottedmag | ah, good. | 15:51 |
| dottedmag | It's less misterious now. | 15:51 |
| tko | too bad I've no idea if you can extend existing precompiled message catalogs | 15:52 |
| dottedmag | are they in standard gettext format? | 15:52 |
| tko | well, I'm sure you can, but I've no idea how easily | 15:52 |
| tko | sure | 15:52 |
| dottedmag | msgunfmt(1) | 15:53 |
| inz | should work | 15:54 |
| jtra | ok, I managed to get working hardware zoom button, but hardware fullscreen button still refuses to work in my openttd | 15:55 |
| tko | I suppose locales do not include translations for timezones? | 15:56 |
| dottedmag | tko: they do. osso-clock-l10n-enus | 15:57 |
| tko | dottedmag, I meant standard mechanism, like strftime %a and such | 15:58 |
| dottedmag | ah. No, standard timezones just provide IDs (such as Asia/Novosibirsk). | 15:59 |
| dottedmag | Updated .mo. Works fine. | 16:00 |
| dottedmag | Probably I could ask developers for inclusion of one more timezone in standard setup? :) | 16:00 |
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| qgil | hi, fyi I just arrived to Helsinki and I'll be Monday & Tuesday around for pre-visit, first assignments, first housing visits... +7 degrees!! What should I do with the snow rackets now?? | 17:52 |
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| AD-N770 | hi qgil | 17:59 |
| AD-N770 | qgil: bona sort en aquest nou projecte :) | 18:00 |
| qgil | hi AD-N770 :) hum, I saw your name sounded in a familiar language | 18:00 |
| qgil | gràcies :) | 18:00 |
| qgil | AD-N770: now I realise that the author of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the N770 Galaxy is a guy from Igualada! | 18:03 |
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| AD-N770 | not me, only it's a book that inspired me | 18:03 |
| AD-N770 | yes | 18:04 |
| AD-N770 | we met at GUADEC too | 18:04 |
| qgil | mmmmm, sure - the problem is that I met more people I was able to remember - :( | 18:04 |
| qgil | a picture would definitely help | 18:05 |
| qgil | or a caption of a conversation | 18:05 |
| AD-N770 | I was with the ppl that mounted wifi on the event | 18:05 |
| qgil | btw, do you know the CLAM people at UPF? | 18:05 |
| qgil | aaahm | 18:05 |
| keesj | hmm did bluetooth work in scratchbox? | 18:06 |
| qgil | ok, then I have only two faces in my mental databse, hopefully one of them is yours :) | 18:06 |
| qgil | AD-N770: I'm mentioning the CLAM people because they were thinking (starting to think) of porting something useful for musicians to Maemo, and since you have done some work on this... | 18:08 |
| AD-N770 | The tuner tool was an idea that I had during GUADEC, the true is that is an old idea that I keep in my mind until now | 18:10 |
| AD-N770 | I'm working at Fluendo now, and I used this project to introduce myself in gstreamer | 18:11 |
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| qgil | AD-N770: funny, so you are "the local guy" someone told me that Fluendo had finally hired :) | 18:17 |
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| AD-N770 | qgil: sip, a picture of me at http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/jtorra.jpg | 18:18 |
| dwd | Anyone know why network connectivity wouldn't work within scratchbox for maemo-launched stuff? | 18:18 |
| qgil | AD-N770: right, now I remember you :) | 18:19 |
| dwd | Normally it does, but I'm running over PPP (GPRS on a train). | 18:19 |
| qgil | AD-N770: congratulations, man. It's not easy to get a free software developer job in Catalonia | 18:20 |
| dwd | Specifically, it's giving me "no route to host" for any IP addresses. | 18:20 |
| AD-N770 | qgil: I'm agree | 18:21 |
| * dwd once ended up learning Catalan by accident, rather a long time ago. | 18:21 | |
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| AD-N770 | dwd: I'm not sure if it's relevant or not, usually when I want scp files from scratchbox to my n770 I have to use fakeroot | 18:25 |
| jtra | ok, the full screen issue is resolved | 18:25 |
| AD-N770 | dwd, I think that probably is a question of permisions | 18:26 |
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| inz | AD, and you've specified user name to use on the 770? (i.e. -u root or root@) | 18:29 |
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| kender | hi | 18:32 |
| AD-N770 | inz: I usually compile in scratchbox, and after i use to fakeroot scp stufftocopy root@192.168.:~ or to the desired destination | 18:34 |
| AD-N770 | I use to keep the wifi up with ping from another console | 18:34 |
| inz | That's weird, fakeroot shouldn't make any difference there :o | 18:35 |
| AD-N770 | I've dropbear installed | 18:35 |
| AD-N770 | but without it scp didn't worked for me, could be a problem on my scratchbox | 18:36 |
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| jtra | I made a page for openttd, http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/openttd.html anybody keen to test it? | 18:59 |
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| keesj | jtra, how big is it? | 19:04 |
| keesj | jtra, will I need the data files? | 19:06 |
| jtra | .deb file is 1.2MB, expanded to 2.8MB, but you need to place 5.6MB non-free files to card | 19:07 |
| jtra | yes | 19:07 |
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| minra | i have such a beautiful encoding of a Bill Hicks performance for the 770 | 19:43 |
| minra | wish it were allowed to share it | 19:43 |
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| minra | i pulled down the brightness to make all the dark colors black, with -vf eq and then upped the contrast and the gamma. that got rid of all the dark information and the only stuff that got encoded was the performer | 19:43 |
| minra | 880 MB mpeg2 down to 200 MB divx with subjective quality improvement | 19:44 |
| minra | :))) | 19:44 |
| minra | thx to jaffa for the script that got me started | 19:45 |
| minra | hey scummvm does the fm perfectly without sound problems | 19:45 |
| minra | were there improvements to the sound driver kernel with -39? | 19:46 |
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| Tak | any fceu users awake? | 22:02 |
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| keesj | what;'s the best way to wipte canola? | 22:20 |
| keesj | There was so much buzz that I installed it , I still don't know that is is :) | 22:21 |
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| minra | hi. is Tak around? | 22:35 |
| keesj | yes | 22:36 |
| minra | hi! | 22:36 |
| keesj | but it's not me ! | 22:37 |
| minra | i found scummvm has no problem doing fm midi emulation | 22:37 |
| minra | it can even do advmame 2x emulationn and sound without problems | 22:37 |
| minra | keesj have you found that some apps have stuttering sound on the 770? | 22:38 |
| Tak | minra: hello | 22:38 |
| minra | hi | 22:38 |
| Tak | implemented pixel doubling | 22:39 |
| minra | i am suspecting some esd or driver probblems | 22:39 |
| Tak | there's a decent speed boost for fceu | 22:39 |
| minra | YOU RULE :I | 22:39 |
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| Tak | I have room for about 4 buttons down the left side | 22:40 |
| Tak | I was wondering what would be useful to put there | 22:41 |
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| Tak | I was thinking save/load, and change the +/- (again) to vol control | 22:44 |
| Tak | then there would be room for 2 more | 22:44 |
| minra | put the vol on the plus minus buttons | 22:44 |
| Tak | so what to put in the other two slots... | 22:45 |
| minra | another thing... some kind of instructions about what buttons do what... a readme or a -h | 22:45 |
| minra | i dunno... | 22:45 |
| minra | i never found out if you also got the stuttering sound problem | 22:45 |
| minra | i wonder if it is kernel related | 22:45 |
| Tak | it doesn't exactly stutter, but it's not fantastic | 22:46 |
| Tak | although that's probably related to the fact that it's running at the lowest possible quality | 22:47 |
| minra | ok no no no | 22:48 |
| Tak | I could make the other two onscreen Select and Start - then no more button problems ;-) | 22:48 |
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| minra | well... i would like to help with issues for keyboard users also | 22:49 |
| minra | but i need to talk to you when i am not in bars... i need to get a home and not be a homeless freak... to do anything productive | 22:49 |
| Tak | heh | 22:49 |
| minra | anyway stuttering is not an issue of low frequencies | 22:49 |
| minra | what kernel are you testing on? pls | 22:49 |
| Tak | the stock scirocco one | 22:49 |
| minra | so you updated your flash to a dev filesystem? or you are booting to a mmc? | 22:51 |
| Tak | I flashed the second 2006 image... | 22:51 |
| minra | ok so when you run fceu games at fskip 4 you dont hear a blerp-blerp-blerp- stuttering sound? | 22:55 |
| minra | i hear it frequently in xmame and fceu, but not in scummcm | 22:56 |
| Tak | no, not with 0.98.12-5 | 22:56 |
| minra | i also hear stuttering occasionally with stock mameo apps, for e.g. when i shut down... the sample plays, there is a brief stutter, then it shuts down | 22:56 |
| minra | ah.. interesting... | 22:56 |
| Tak | and not with fskip 2 after pixel doubling | 22:56 |
| minra | ok so it might be an issue with how fast the app feeds the sound | 22:57 |
| keesj | Tak, did pixel doubling help? | 22:58 |
| Tak | maybe | 22:58 |
| Tak | a bit | 22:58 |
| Tak | fceu went from having to drop 4 frames for playability to 2 frames | 22:58 |
| minra | i was worried that there might be scheduling / buffering problems with the kernel or esd | 22:58 |
| Tak | I experimented a lot with the buffers in the fceu esd driver | 22:59 |
| Tak | I was never able to get better performance than what we have currently | 22:59 |
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| Tak | hmm | 23:03 |
| Tak | I can play music with the media player and run fceu simultaneously without sound skipping | 23:04 |
| Tak | although it does lag fceu a bit | 23:04 |
| minra | wow | 23:04 |
| Tak | that is, no fceu sound, only the audio playing | 23:04 |
| minra | ok i need to upgrade. i am still on 2006 from nokia | 23:04 |
| Tak | first or second? | 23:04 |
| minra | i just upgraded the kernel... i forgot what i think -25 | 23:05 |
| minra | did not change filesystem at all | 23:05 |
| Tak | how do you tell what priorities things are running at on the device? | 23:05 |
| Tak | I know the "<" signifies higher priority, but what priority is that, exactly | 23:06 |
| minra | dunno... there is no nice.. but there is a renice command | 23:06 |
| ssvb | Tak, default media player uses gstreamer, audio codecs are implemented in DSP | 23:06 |
| ssvb | that's why it is different from using esd | 23:07 |
| Tak | esd doesn't offload to the dsp? | 23:08 |
| minra | yeah i know that too | 23:08 |
| ssvb | also DSP seems to have some relation with sound output (even using esd you end up there), running codecs directly there probably improves chances of sound skipping | 23:08 |
| minra | at this point i am afraid of saying embarassing things... i want to port things someday. i used to be a programmer. | 23:08 |
| minra | but now i am kind of ... stupid | 23:09 |
| Tak | someone gave me the impression that, since it's raw audio, there was no benefit to gstreamer over esd | 23:09 |
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| ssvb | both gstreamer and esd are some extra layers | 23:10 |
| ssvb | i don't know which one of them is less evil :) | 23:10 |
| Tak | heh | 23:10 |
| Tak | I don't suppose there's a way I can dump audio semi-directly onto the dsp? | 23:10 |
| ssvb | maybe looking at gstreamer dsp plugins sources can give some insights | 23:11 |
| ssvb | they are not very good documented yet though | 23:11 |
| Tak | hooray! | 23:12 |
| ssvb | do you need a link? | 23:12 |
| Tak | sure, will save me some time | 23:13 |
| ssvb | well, they are here anyway: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/scirocco/free/source/g/gst-plugins-dsp0.10/gst-plugins-dsp0.10_0.32.1-1.tar.gz | 23:13 |
| Tak | thanks | 23:14 |
| ssvb | I had a look at them already, I was implementing framebuffer based video output code with hardware YUV colorspace support for mplayer this weekend | 23:15 |
| Tak | nice | 23:17 |
| ssvb | looks like it should be possible to relay some scaling and image displaying work to DSP, source of dspfbsink has some insights about DSP interface | 23:17 |
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| ssvb | keesj, sorry, i did not try to compile xmoto yet, mplayer took all the time on this weekend | 23:20 |
| ssvb | also xmoto seems to depend on a lot of libraries | 23:20 |
| keesj | ssvb, don't worry , it sounds like you had a lot of fun | 23:20 |
| keesj | ssvb, yes lua and ode (but those where shiped) and sdl_gfx was hacked | 23:21 |
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| keesj | I think it's getting almost playable, 8 fps | 23:22 |
| ssvb | found another bottleneck? | 23:22 |
| keesj | no, I changed the game physics a bit :) | 23:24 |
| ssvb | keesj, good to know that, once you consider it is worth playtesting by other people, register a garage project for it :) | 23:28 |
| ssvb | Tak, by the way, do you think hardware accelerated rotation could be useful for games? | 23:29 |
| keesj | I would :) | 23:31 |
| minra | i used to do work for graphics cards in 1987 | 23:32 |
| minra | doesnt arm just use a framebuffer? (dumm qquest) | 23:33 |
| ssvb | LCD controller supports it (see http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26280&postcount=4), but I don't know if it is supported in omapfb and x11 extensions api | 23:33 |
| ssvb | maybe some kernel patch will be required to support it | 23:35 |
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| ssvb | i never tried kernel hacking myself, so maybe the best option for us is to find out how many people would like to have this feature first and look for someone who is capable to implement it :) | 23:37 |
| minra | does nokia have a developer interface to the community? | 23:38 |
| minra | wouldnt they be interested in core features? | 23:39 |
| ssvb | minra, it uses framebuffer, but framebuffer does not represent video memory itself, in order to get something on the screen, you call some ioctl which transfers data from a framebuffer to actual videomemory | 23:39 |
| ssvb | it can perform some transformations on this data while fetching it from framebuffer memory | 23:40 |
| minra | ah.. neat | 23:40 |
| minra | do you know of any apps that do transforms on that data? or is everything done ins software? | 23:41 |
| ssvb | image doubling is one of the examples of such transformations, colorspace conversion is another, prabably it can also support rotation 'on the fly' | 23:41 |
| ssvb | but i don't see anything related to rotation in omapfb.h header | 23:42 |
| minra | nokia should be helping. | 23:42 |
| ssvb | btw, a new mplayer build is uploaded to garage: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54 | 23:43 |
| Tak | at least for xmame | 23:45 |
| Tak | wow, I'm having some serious network issues | 23:45 |
| Tak | what about in libXsp ? | 23:45 |
| ssvb | Tak, anyway, libXsp uses framebuffer ioctls in the end | 23:45 |
| Tak | true enough | 23:45 |
| ssvb | libXsp does not support YUV colorspace in its API right now, so I had to go down one layer | 23:46 |
| minra | you found libxsp for maemo? | 23:46 |
| ssvb | minra, yes its sources are also available somewhere (can't find a link right now), also I had a look into xserver-kdrive to check how it works internally | 23:49 |
| minra | i just know apps should convert to 16 bit before blitting, and use rect blit, not fullscreen... | 23:50 |
| minra | i am not worthy to chat here. really... if you need help in germany i can help with other things. respect. | 23:51 |
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| Tak | heh | 23:54 |
| keesj | ssvb, there was a mail on the mailing list about this right it was called Specification for Epson S1D13742 Mobile Graphics Engine | 23:57 |
| ssvb | keesj, i know, i already have it :) | 23:58 |
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