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| kala | is there a better place to discuss Nokia 770 hardware features? | 00:13 |
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| kala | the standard Nokia 770 doesn't support Bluetooth headsets with microphones, right? Is this something which could be enabled with none-standard software? | 00:17 |
| alp | usually if a chipset doesn't support the audio profile, you can flash it to do so | 00:20 |
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| alp | haven't tried with the 770 | 00:20 |
| kala | because there are pictures in the http://www.internettablettalk.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/504 gallery with usb keyboards and other devices, which are said also not to be supported. | 00:21 |
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| arj | I read somewhere that the problem seems to be getting the headphone to work with the rest of the software (gstreamer etc.) | 00:23 |
| arj | but I'm no expert. I would also very much like to use my head phones for VOIP calls :-) | 00:24 |
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| kala | yep, thats the idea:P | 00:24 |
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| kala | also, I understand that the syncronization software with Exchange or Outlook or with mobile is somewhat lacking? | 00:29 |
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| kala | would it be possible to run Evolution on this thing? | 00:32 |
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| kala | oh, there's commercial option of http://www.dejadesktop.com/ | 00:36 |
| Tak | there's also Dates | 00:37 |
| arj | Tak: how do you actually use Dates? :) | 00:44 |
| arj | I've installed it but I can't really use it for anything | 00:44 |
| arj | the calendar is empty and there is no way to add somehting :)? | 00:44 |
| kala | (oh, and a freeciv port as well. certainly a businessapp) | 00:44 |
| Tak | is that the latest version? | 00:45 |
| Tak | there's a largish bug, I think | 00:45 |
| arj | I'm running 0.1.1 I think | 00:45 |
| arj | I'm just using their repository | 00:45 |
| arj | I would really like it to sync with google's calendar since that is what I'm normally using and opera can't read that page | 00:45 |
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| |tbb| | anyone got the navkit allready ? | 01:11 |
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| minra | man, connecting to freenode with xchat takes me four minutes or more | 05:19 |
| minra | greetings | 05:20 |
| minra | gotta restart xchat brb | 05:21 |
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| minra | rehi | 05:26 |
| minra | i gotta get started porting | 05:26 |
| minra | how about synergy? use pc mouse and keyboard on the 770... | 05:27 |
| minra | i am having trouble with an apt source | 05:31 |
| minra | http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo/mistral/ | 05:31 |
| minra | the tilde character in the url is screwing up apt-get | 05:38 |
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| dot_j | anybody get missing package errors while installing canola? | 06:19 |
| marceoli | hei dot_j what are you facing? | 06:19 |
| marceoli | the repositories have been fixed for a while | 06:20 |
| dot_j | it says the following packages are missing: | 06:20 |
| marceoli | do you have repository.maemo.org free non-free mistral | scirocco ? | 06:20 |
| dot_j | libsqlite0 >= 2.3.13-2 | 06:20 |
| marceoli | you need the maemo repository | 06:20 |
| dot_j | libsdl-ttf2.0-0 (listed twice) | 06:20 |
| marceoli | is written in the installation notes | 06:20 |
| dot_j | yeah, i do have that one | 06:20 |
| marceoli | these libraries comes from there | 06:21 |
| dot_j | hmm... | 06:21 |
| marceoli | not from our (openbossa...) | 06:21 |
| marceoli | double check that | 06:21 |
| marceoli | free non-free | 06:21 |
| dot_j | (can the be listed on the same line) | 06:21 |
| marceoli | or.. enter #canola so we can track your problem down | 06:21 |
| dot_j | ok | 06:21 |
| dot_j | will do - thanks | 06:21 |
| marceoli | yes.. free non-free is written in the same filed (component) | 06:21 |
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| minra | argh maemo opera always downloads to "documents" but i want to change the dl to my mmc1 card | 07:14 |
| minra | and i cant find "dokumente" (documents) on the filesystem | 07:14 |
| minra | and opera wont let me change the default download location | 07:14 |
| minra | at least i cant find it | 07:14 |
| minra | frustrating... | 07:14 |
| minra | any help? | 07:15 |
| minra | very big gaping usabilty hole | 07:17 |
| minra | not allowing user to specify a download path in a web browser | 07:17 |
| minra | id symlink the "dokumente" directory to something on mmc1 | 07:18 |
| minra | but i can NOT "find" the documents/dokumente directory | 07:18 |
| minra | anybody please.... help | 07:18 |
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| minra_ | well i dunno.. this last surfing session i had to reboot 7 times | 08:12 |
| minra_ | running this device too hard. | 08:13 |
| minra_ | it can not handle a ctorrent session, irc chat and 4 opera windows | 08:13 |
| minra_ | and that is pretty much my usability minimum | 08:13 |
| minra_ | maybe maemo should limit a user to two sumultaneous apps | 08:15 |
| minra_ | still gonna keep it, but gonna get the money for a laptop. | 08:16 |
| minra_ | can not replace a laptop... | 08:16 |
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| minra_ | bler... just gotta learn what not to do | 08:26 |
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| Guardian | good morning all | 08:59 |
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| sxpert | hmmm. scratchbox appears to be working :D | 09:42 |
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| konttori | Morning! | 09:51 |
| tigert | morning | 09:58 |
| tigert | os2006 hildon-theme-layout soon.. | 09:58 |
| tigert | and i need to finish my theme | 10:01 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:03 |
| tigert | morn | 10:03 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Do you have a sneak preview yet? :D | 10:03 |
| tigert | well, i keep changing it :) | 10:04 |
| X-Fade | Ah :) Doesn't have to be perfect the first time. | 10:05 |
| tigert | but i realized need to do it in Gimp instead of Inkscape since the drop shadows are too unstable in svn head Inkscape ;) | 10:05 |
| X-Fade | yeah, Inkscape crashes a lot on me too with cvs -head. | 10:05 |
| X-Fade | Problem is that the crashes are pretty random. | 10:06 |
| konttori | tigert: Would be nice to see some version soon. | 10:06 |
| konttori | tigert: btw I just released 0.90 of theme maker to garage. | 10:06 |
| konttori | it includes support for the top bar status icons. | 10:06 |
| konttori | allows you to make much more themed feel to your theme | 10:07 |
| X-Fade | konttori: Are you going to switch to the 'official' template? | 10:07 |
| konttori | I'll add support for both. | 10:07 |
| X-Fade | Ah. | 10:07 |
| konttori | I think that the official template is exchaustingly big to use | 10:07 |
| X-Fade | With the new tools you can reassemble an existing template. That is nice. | 10:08 |
| konttori | But if one fancies the template, I see no reason why one shouldn't be able to use it | 10:08 |
| tigert | yea. we are planning of making an icon template using the same tool btw | 10:08 |
| konttori | tigert: cool | 10:08 |
| tigert | yea. its 8000x800 now. we added the gtkrc colours there too | 10:09 |
| konttori | Oh yeah. That's such a great idea (the colors I mean). | 10:10 |
| tigert | since they are tied to the design very closely | 10:10 |
| tigert | so there are swatches on the side of the template with specified coordinates | 10:11 |
| konttori | I'll add the support for the official template today. Might not include the color picking from the template image yet, but will do that soon enough. | 10:12 |
| tigert | it is working nicely now, and i just need to make sure layout-2 and theme-plankton-2 works with os2006. the -3 is for sardine. | 10:12 |
| konttori | Are there any screengrabs of plankton? | 10:14 |
| tigert | yea. and we plan to do an icon tool too. must fix the crap anyway since there is a lot of cruft there that has accumulated and not necessarily used much. or same icon exists with multiple names etc. time to do some cleaning :) | 10:14 |
| konttori | would be cool to see it | 10:14 |
| konttori | tigert: cleaning would definately help every once in a while. | 10:15 |
| tigert | well. i need to do it. currently its the purple one. | 10:15 |
| konttori | there seems to be some res versions of icons that are not used at all | 10:15 |
| tigert | so we get it working. | 10:15 |
| tigert | then my idea is to make a new devel theme | 10:15 |
| tigert | using the tool. | 10:15 |
| tigert | yes. and i want to theme them :) | 10:16 |
| konttori | theme what? | 10:16 |
| konttori | the icons that are no used? ;) | 10:16 |
| konttori | Were we talking about different things? | 10:17 |
| tigert | icons are not., um.. exactly not my favorite style. ;) | 10:17 |
| konttori | oh, you'd like to theme those. Yeah, makes sense. | 10:17 |
| sxpert | HAHAHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L6nXKtGehk | 10:17 |
| tigert | icons. sorry, typing with the thumb board in a moving bus :) | 10:17 |
| tigert | so its a bt slow | 10:18 |
| tigert | bit even | 10:18 |
| konttori | ah. cool. Love 770 in that regards. That it's so mobile. | 10:19 |
| konttori | btw: how much mem does canola take? | 10:20 |
| tigert | havent measured yet. | 10:21 |
| konttori | Seems like it takes almost all mem from 770. I still have my 770 on loan to my faher, so can't test it, but from what I've read on the dev mails, it seems to be quite the mem hog. | 10:21 |
| konttori | Do you use it? | 10:21 |
| tigert | hey btw, lunch today? | 10:21 |
| tigert | dont use canola currently | 10:21 |
| konttori | Hmm... could be. Yeah. why not. Although then I'll prefer kamppi | 10:22 |
| tigert | yea. kamppi is ok. | 10:22 |
| tigert | i will ask michael too | 10:22 |
| konttori | I'm a bit busy today, so the closest place would be the best one today | 10:22 |
| konttori | cool | 10:22 |
| tigert | other fls welcome too if you are in helsinki | 10:23 |
| tigert | folks even | 10:23 |
| tigert | at noon? | 10:23 |
| konttori | sure! | 10:23 |
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| konttori | hey, tigert: can you try out nuvotheme for me? I don't know if the 090 themes work properly or not (the lcars folks did say that it works, but I'd like to have a second opinion as well)? | 10:28 |
| konttori | I'm just compiling the theme. I'll put it to garage in a sec. | 10:29 |
| tigert | 090? | 10:29 |
| tigert | Ah, thememaker version? | 10:30 |
| konttori | yeah | 10:30 |
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| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/488/NuvoTheme.deb | 10:31 |
| konttori | I don't know what happens if you don't use the vanilla 2006 edition though. | 10:32 |
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| tigert | let me try | 10:36 |
| tigert | this is fairly vanilla | 10:36 |
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| konttori | Great! Although Icons will only change after reboot. | 10:38 |
| konttori | So, if you have the time to do that as well at some point, it would rock. | 10:38 |
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| tigert | works fine | 10:40 |
| tigert | will reboot in a sec | 10:40 |
| konttori | ok. great. | 10:41 |
| tigert | my world is grayscale! ;) | 10:44 |
| tigert | if this was the intention, it works ;) | 10:44 |
| konttori | Yeah, well, it was the intention to see that they actually change | 10:45 |
| konttori | cool. thanks! | 10:45 |
| tigert | yep they do | 10:45 |
| tigert | but we should do it by making a new icn theme, so files dont need to be written over, if you do tat now? | 10:46 |
| konttori | Yeah, I do, although, on removal of theme, old files will be written back. | 10:46 |
| tigert | oh hey | 10:47 |
| tigert | hmm | 10:47 |
| konttori | I think themes should include the icon themes in them. At least for the status bar icons and the left side icons. | 10:47 |
| tigert | yea. | 10:47 |
| tigert | oh hey | 10:48 |
| konttori | ? | 10:48 |
| tigert | i realized that the thumb kb is a lot easier to use if pressed state is very contrasty so its very noticeable | 10:49 |
| tigert | so my theme has them solid dark blue | 10:49 |
| konttori | Ahh... Good idea. | 10:49 |
| konttori | I'll try to add kb icons asap | 10:50 |
| tigert | a lot better to type than if it just shades a pressed key a bit | 10:50 |
| tigert | the template has them all ;-) | 10:50 |
| tigert | but yea, its big | 10:51 |
| konttori | Although one doesn't have to change every bit and piece of it. | 10:52 |
| tigert | michael joins us. see you in a hour in kamppi. the same place as last time, the game shop? | 10:52 |
| VRe | Does someone know some easy way to list the packages installed from one repository? | 10:52 |
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| konttori | game shop is a good place. I hope we'll find some place with free seats left this time. | 10:55 |
| tigert | yeah. worth trying :) | 10:59 |
| jtra | interesting, when I run SciTE under root, it shows classic GTK menu instead of hildon one | 11:07 |
| tigert | jtra: you need to run-standalone.sh /path/to/the/binary | 11:08 |
| tigert | otherwise nothing shows the hildon theme | 11:08 |
| tigert | since that sets the environment up for you | 11:08 |
| tigert | the same happens if your app is launched via the .desktop or dbus stuff | 11:09 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:12 |
| jtra | ok, but I even like the GKT menus for SciTE, Hildon menus use too much space and you have to scroll a lot while GTK ones almost fit the screen | 11:13 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:19 |
| tigert | morning ad | 11:20 |
| tigert | ok. whoever wants to have lunch with me and konttori and MDK, join us in Kamppi shopping center downstairs near the game shop in 30 mins | 11:20 |
| tigert | dum di dum | 11:55 |
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| nomis | tigert: I believe I don't manage to be there in time. | 11:56 |
| * koen tries to figure out how to get to helsinki in 30 minutes | 11:56 | |
| tigert | hehe :) | 11:59 |
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| jonek | hi | 12:20 |
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| florian_kc | hi all | 12:35 |
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| ferenc | hello | 12:54 |
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| qgil | hi ferenc :) thank you for the planetization | 13:21 |
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| Guardian | is there any qtopia enabled image out there ? | 13:36 |
| |tbb| | i dont think so | 13:37 |
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| minra | hi the 770 is still the coolest thing ever... but the software is bleeding edge | 13:38 |
| minra | and i am bleeding :/ | 13:39 |
| minra | i think a dillo port might be a really good thing for a slimm web browser | 13:39 |
| minra | ctorrent crashes the system regularly | 13:39 |
| minra | i am not used to linux crashing | 13:39 |
| ferenc | qgil: you are welcome :) | 13:40 |
| minra | hey what do you use for an image viewer? | 13:43 |
| minra | my favorite under linux is gqview | 13:44 |
| |tbb| | minimo webrowser looks nice, but i cant get it to fullscreen mode | 13:44 |
| minra | god, i HAVE to get up to speed with porting | 13:45 |
| minra | i just sold one of these in a bar... and the guy had a job offer i might be able to do | 13:45 |
| |tbb| | i really would like to have macchanger on my n770 | 13:45 |
| minra | the 770 may have gotten me a job... that would rule | 13:45 |
| minra | what is macchanger? | 13:47 |
| tigert | minra: do you use the swap on mmc? | 13:49 |
| tigert | that helps a lot in how much stuff you can run at once | 13:49 |
| minra | yes i am using swap now | 13:50 |
| minra | got the 2gb -25 kernel running... maybe i should upgrade to the -39 | 13:51 |
| tigert | dunno | 13:51 |
| tigert | mine is quite stable | 13:51 |
| * Jaffa wants to port NetSurf, but haven't had a look at the Gtk+ version's source code (http://www.iconbar.com/articles/NetSurf_Update/index1098.html) | 13:51 | |
| tigert | but the swap helps a lot | 13:51 |
| tigert | but hey, remember, its not a desktop machine | 13:51 |
| tigert | I try to keep web browser windows to max 3 | 13:51 |
| tigert | it has its limitations as a device, but once one learns to live by them, its very useful | 13:52 |
| konttori | is websurf good? | 13:52 |
| konttori | I mean, have you actually used it as well? | 13:52 |
| * Jaffa 's used NetSurf on RISC OS. Very nice, quick, browser - but no JS. | 13:53 | |
| Jaffa | Gah, it uses Glade - and I'm not sure how you port a Glade app to Hildon. Dates uses glade in weird ways I couldn't immediately fathom. | 13:53 |
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| Veggen | I went on a two week trip to France/Italy, brought my 770. Granted, a smart cell phone could have done a lot of it, but I did find it very useful. One of the more useful applications for travelling, I guess, was maemo mapper set up to use google maps. Instant city maps wherever you go :) | 13:54 |
| Veggen | And it also helps if you're planning along the way, to have easy access to web at whatever time you want. Found a train/connection that the guy in the french railway station didn't find, when going on to Italy. | 13:55 |
| minra | well some countries are more restrictive with open hotspots | 13:58 |
| minra | germany is a hotspot dead zone | 13:58 |
| minra | you want access anonymously you pay 8 euro per hour | 13:58 |
| minra | and as far as i can tell, it is illegal for a person to give free access to his flatrate dsl connection | 13:59 |
| minra | this seems to be a characteristic of society... even if something is almost free to produce, the law makes artificial barriers to make it expensive, so some asshole can make money off of it | 13:59 |
| minra | same thing with drugs... cheap to produce. law makes them expensiv e | 14:00 |
| |tbb| | minra: could u port macchanger, it where usefull to grant access to mac address restricted wlan routers while ur notebook is allowed to get acces on the ap | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know of a HOWTO for porting Glade stuff? | 14:02 |
| florian_kc | minra: Its no illegal to give access for free... but you are responsible in cases of misuse. | 14:03 |
| |tbb| | it is illegal if the contract with your isp doesnt allow it to share it with others | 14:04 |
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| minra | yes to tbb | 14:07 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: Is it actually "illegal", or is it just a breach of contract? | 14:07 |
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| minra | good question | 14:08 |
| minra | afaik any use of a network without explicit authorisation is "hacking" and a felony | 14:08 |
| minra | so even connecting to an open wlan with dhcp is a felony in germany | 14:08 |
| minra | afaik | 14:08 |
| |tbb| | let us say it isnt allowed | 14:08 |
| |tbb| | anytime | 14:09 |
| minra | yeah... but people with money use a umts flatrate | 14:09 |
| minra | and they dont care | 14:09 |
| minra | the poor people must break the law and the rich people ride unhindered | 14:09 |
| minra | thats "social justice"w | 14:10 |
| minra | anyway the usa is much better for the 770 than europe | 14:10 |
| minra | in the usa you can find open hotspots everywhere | 14:10 |
| minra | in germany... you deal with people with guns | 14:11 |
| |tbb| | minra, is ur nick registered? | 14:11 |
| minra | just one example... i was in an american housing area... some americans said "sure we have an open hotspot" so i sat down to use it and within an hour i was looking at security forces with hands on guns | 14:11 |
| tigert | maybe that speaks more of your usage patterns and site visits? :) | 14:12 |
| minra | it was but i forgot the pass | 14:13 |
| |tbb| | so u cant pm then | 14:13 |
| minra | well it is fun to visit the american housing area | 14:13 |
| florian_kc | |tbb|: that would not make it illegal... it just violates your contract with the isp | 14:14 |
| minra | ok... nevermind... we have no secrets | 14:14 |
| |tbb| | lol | 14:14 |
| minra | i am asking on a german channel | 14:14 |
| florian_kc | minra: its illegal as soon as the network is protected - e.g. cracking a wep protected net would be illegal. (even if wep is trivial to crack) | 14:15 |
| |tbb| | florian: u are right, ive take my msg back, vioalate contract is the correct msg | 14:15 |
| florian_kc | :-) | 14:15 |
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| minra | on this server? | 14:19 |
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| bergie | wow, saw the btxfer tool actually send a file for the first time ;-) | 14:26 |
| bergie | of course it crashed when trying to send another file, but this is at least progress | 14:27 |
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| minra | what is that tool? i use scp to transfer files | 14:27 |
| minra | i use the -c blowfish option to speed transfers | 14:28 |
| minra | i use the -c blowfish option to speed transfersmmc | 14:28 |
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| bergie | minra: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/btxfer/ | 15:18 |
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| k-s | konttori: hi | 16:15 |
| konttori | hi | 16:15 |
| k-s | konttori: you were asking about canola mem usage? | 16:15 |
| k-s | were you.... | 16:15 |
| konttori | yeah | 16:15 |
| konttori | wondering about it | 16:15 |
| k-s | we can use a great deal of it when viewing images | 16:15 |
| konttori | after hearing that some people had hard time multitasking while runing canola | 16:15 |
| k-s | konttori: I have hard time multitasking while running anything ;-) | 16:16 |
| k-s | anyway | 16:16 |
| k-s | konttori: are you interested on the details or just the amount? | 16:16 |
| konttori | I was more interested in the general behaviour. -> the amount when playing music | 16:16 |
| k-s | konttori: about 10mb | 16:17 |
| k-s | in canola process | 16:17 |
| konttori | As I still don't have 770 at the moment, so can't test it | 16:17 |
| konttori | ahh... so, not that bad really | 16:17 |
| k-s | yet you may have osso-mediaserver consuming it in another process | 16:17 |
| konttori | does that take significant amount of mem? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | And avahi + canola-conf also use a few MB. | 16:18 |
| k-s | and you have canola-conf, but since you're playing music it's sleeping (idle) and not using much ram | 16:18 |
| konttori | what's avahi? | 16:18 |
| k-s | let me "measure" it (there is no way I can measure for sure on linux, due shared memory, bla bla bla) | 16:18 |
| k-s | konttori: avahi implements Apple's Rendevouz, also known as Zeroconf | 16:19 |
| k-s | konttori: so you can discover other machines on intranet | 16:19 |
| konttori | ahh... nice. Although appraently not yet 7.0 | 16:19 |
| konttori | I mean itunes 7.0 support | 16:19 |
| k-s | konttori: right now we use it to detect itunes/iphoto, rhythmbox... | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | k-s: smaps -> http://bmaurer.blogspot.com/2006/03/memory-usage-with-smaps.html | 16:19 |
| konttori | ahh... good. | 16:19 |
| k-s | konttori: itunes just use avahi to announce | 16:20 |
| konttori | cool | 16:20 |
| k-s | konttori: itunes uses another protocol with its own challange/auth | 16:20 |
| k-s | konttori: problem is to crack their challange... | 16:20 |
| k-s | no one could do it yet | 16:20 |
| andrunko | konttori: apple changed the challenge auth key on itunes 7 | 16:21 |
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| andrunko | konttori: and this has broken all softwares compatibles with itunes >= 4 && <= 6 :) | 16:21 |
| andrunko | including itunes 6 | 16:21 |
| konttori | Will itunes 6 comp on local net be able to access itunes 7 streams? | 16:21 |
| k-s | X-Fade: I already know about /proc stuff, but not about this nice script to summarize it all :-) Thanks! | 16:22 |
| k-s | konttori: no | 16:22 |
| konttori | yep. shame on them | 16:22 |
| k-s | konttori: you know that old tech to force upgrade? | 16:22 |
| k-s | konttori: m$ word remembers you anything? | 16:22 |
| andrunko | konttori: itunes 7 can access itunes 6 shares, but itunes 6 can't access itunes 7 shares | 16:22 |
| konttori | Oh well... I guess they had their reasons. | 16:23 |
| k-s | konttori: yes, we could play their game... that's the reason | 16:23 |
| k-s | "that's my ball! I want to choose (sell to) who will play" | 16:24 |
| konttori | yeah. nasty stuff | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | k-s: that is what you get with closed source software ;) | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | The inability to fix things yourself. | 16:26 |
| konttori | So, I guess that the code should still be possible to hack from a running itunes process. | 16:26 |
| k-s | X-Fade: sorry, I know what you mean | 16:27 |
| k-s | X-Fade: but I'm not a closed source developer | 16:27 |
| andrunko | konttori: it's possible, but not a easy task | 16:27 |
| k-s | X-Fade: I never been and I don't want to be... | 16:27 |
| konttori | yeah, reverse engineering from code won't be easy. | 16:27 |
| bergie | k-s: what's the plan with Canola's sources BTW? | 16:28 |
| konttori | I mean from compiled code | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | k-s: Don't take it personal ;) I just had to say it.. | 16:28 |
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| k-s | X-Fade: that's why I'm trying to get those who need to approve it to release it under lgpl | 16:28 |
| k-s | X-Fade: i know | 16:28 |
| k-s | X-Fade: it's good you put some public pressure, so others will listen (or read) | 16:28 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: you can be sure, we as much as you want to release the code, but your know, we can't do much | 16:28 |
| andrunko | :S | 16:28 |
| k-s | bergie: mine plans or the company plans? | 16:28 |
| bergie | k-s: which ever is the one that gets implemented ;-) | 16:29 |
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| k-s | bergie: so it's the company, and I cannot comment on it :-/ | 16:29 |
| k-s | bergie: but be sure we're doing our best... | 16:29 |
| bergie | good to hear | 16:29 |
| k-s | both as developer (writing good software) | 16:29 |
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| k-s | and as community members (trying to get non-community guys to get it) | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | andrunko: It is the same with a lot of things inside Nokia. Complaining on public mailinglists gets the message through. Slowly.. but it works. They do read it ;) | 16:30 |
| bergie | k-s: Canola is definitely a good start | 16:30 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: sure | 16:30 |
| k-s | X-Fade: yes | 16:30 |
| bergie | I like the UI concept, though obviously it still has some issues | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | But I still have to say that I like the whole concept of Canola. | 16:31 |
| andrunko | that's great to hear | 16:31 |
| bergie | "Front Row for 770" :-) | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | Some things bug me :) Like not being able to directly click on the second item in a list, while it IS visible. ;) | 16:32 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: this is something we discussed a lot with our UI gui | 16:32 |
| bergie | k-s: Does it support UPnP in addition to DAAP? | 16:32 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: marceoli is the guy to discuss this things :) | 16:32 |
| andrunko | bencer: shared is UPnP+DMAP (DAAP/DPAP) | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | andrunko: I want to be able to click on everything that is visible.. | 16:33 |
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| andrunko | DMAP uses libdmapsharing (http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/libdmapsharing) | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | Otherwise it gives the impression that it didn't register the click. | 16:33 |
| bergie | andrunko: OK, good to hear... I'm planning to set up a home UPnP server soon | 16:33 |
| marceoli | eyah | 16:34 |
| marceoli | X-Fade: I know | 16:34 |
| marceoli | everyone complains about it.. I have some issues to be solved before allowing that | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | marceoli: Don't you love the pressure ;) | 16:34 |
| k-s | everything is a trade-off | 16:34 |
| andrunko | heh | 16:34 |
| bergie | andrunko: what about remote speakers like the "Media Streamer"? | 16:34 |
| k-s | if we enable u to click on everything... | 16:34 |
| marceoli | X-Fade: I know.. | 16:35 |
| k-s | you'll start to ask you want to drag everything... | 16:35 |
| k-s | :-) | 16:35 |
| andrunko | heheh | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | marceoli: Funny thing is, that you implemented that feature for the icons, but not for the options. | 16:35 |
| k-s | bergie: no, we don't | 16:35 |
| marceoli | byeah | 16:35 |
| marceoli | wiat a second | 16:35 |
| andrunko | bergie: we have plans to support it | 16:35 |
| andrunko | but not now | 16:35 |
| bergie | ok | 16:35 |
| bergie | BTW, any way to take a screenshot in Canola? Since the applet bar is not shown... | 16:36 |
| k-s | bergie: no | 16:36 |
| marceoli | I think you can use the delayed screenshot applet | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | marceoli: Although I think that in the icons case you just made the arrow button click area so large that it includes the icon :) | 16:37 |
| k-s | X-Fade: :-) | 16:37 |
| marceoli | more or less like this.. | 16:37 |
| marceoli | =) | 16:37 |
| marceoli | the problem with the list.. is | 16:37 |
| marceoli | if you just press, but not release it.. and then drag.. you will want to know at least if you are right... | 16:38 |
| bergie | marceoli: delayed screenshot doesn't work because switching back to Canola window is too slow | 16:39 |
| marceoli | so, does the user needs indication of what he is about to select? this is solved pretty well in the Hildon UI | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | Well, it i try to drag the selected item that doesn't work. It just activates that option instantly. | 16:39 |
| marceoli | I will ask some beta testers how they took screenshots | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | *if | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | SSH in & use osso-screenshot-tool | 16:39 |
| marceoli | X-Fade: I know... the problme is not the drag.. but the indication that you have selected | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | Oh man ;) I crashed Canola hard.. | 16:40 |
| andrunko | heheh | 16:40 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: what you did? | 16:40 |
| andrunko | can you reproduce it? | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | Delayed screenshot, go back to canola running the discovery video. | 16:40 |
| marceoli | look at reboot reason and tell us =) | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | At the moment of screenshot it hangs.. | 16:41 |
| marceoli | I bet that it wasn't canola =) | 16:41 |
| chenca | X-Fade: are you sure? | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | Well, I can go back with the home button. | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | If I switch back to Canola the screen turns black and doesn't register any clicks. | 16:41 |
| marceoli | X-Fade: can you join the #canola channel? we don't want to bother everyone else here... | 16:42 |
| marceoli | this is a known issue.. | 16:42 |
| marceoli | press 2 times | 16:42 |
| andrunko | it's a bug on SDL | 16:42 |
| andrunko | i will make a FAQ page today | 16:42 |
| k-s | X-Fade: it's a bug with SDL | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | k-s & andrunko. That doesn't help at all. | 16:43 |
| marceoli | X-Fade: try clicking on the bottom right corner : | 16:43 |
| k-s | X-Fade: i known | 16:43 |
| marceoli | isn't the video paused? | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | But I'll take this over to #canola | 16:43 |
| k-s | ok | 16:43 |
| marceoli | we really need our not fullscreen video playback screen back! | 16:43 |
| marceoli | that was the worst sentence ever lol | 16:43 |
| k-s | eh | 16:44 |
| k-s | :-) | 16:44 |
| k-s | btw, if someone hacks maemo-af-desktop, please drop me a note | 16:45 |
| k-s | sdl fullscreen + maemo-af-desktop don't play nice, you have to force a window repaint in order to have your sdl window to repaint and back to fs | 16:45 |
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| pancake | io | 16:53 |
| pancake | does anybody know how can I configure the n770 to "emulate" a handsfree headset? | 16:53 |
| bergie | so far no screenshot here :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_%28software%29 | 16:57 |
| andrunko | bergie: it's not only DAAP, it's DMAP | 16:58 |
| andrunko | DAAP (music), DPAP (photos) | 16:58 |
| bergie | I see | 16:58 |
| bergie | DMAP has no WikiPedia entry... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMAP | 16:58 |
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| andrunko | bergie: but tnx for the page :) | 16:59 |
| bergie | no prob :-) | 16:59 |
| bergie | any schedule on getting iTunes 7 support? | 16:59 |
| andrunko | bergie: no idea, we don't have anybody working on it | 16:59 |
| bergie | ok | 17:00 |
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| andrunko | bergie: but for sure, there is someone in the community working on it, so as soon as the first open source software breaks it, i will change libdmapsharing to support it | 17:00 |
| andrunko | bergie: or when i find sometime i can try myself | 17:00 |
| andrunko | s/sometime/some time/ | 17:00 |
| andrunko | ok, time to lunch | 17:01 |
| andrunko | bbl | 17:01 |
| chenca | bergie: This a fresh screenshot | 17:03 |
| bergie | chenca: can you mail that to me? fw is blocking file transfers | 17:04 |
| bergie | bergie@iki.fi | 17:04 |
| chenca | bergie: ok, What theme you prefer? Default or Wood_Box ? | 17:04 |
| bergie | doesn't matter | 17:05 |
| bergie | as long as I can publish it using GFDL license on wikipedia ;-) | 17:05 |
| marceoli | :) | 17:08 |
| chenca | bergie: hahah, mail sent | 17:08 |
| marceoli | I also need to change the picture in the application catalogie | 17:08 |
| marceoli | catalogue | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | Yay: NetSurf works: http://www.bleb.org/software/770/netsurf-001.png | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | I need to work out how Glade apps change their GtkWindows to use the HildonWindow subclass, and do proper Hildon menus | 17:09 |
| bergie | chenca: thx | 17:09 |
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| chenca | bergie: To make your own screenshots: as root install SSH (client deamon), connect from your desktop ("ssh root@<770 ip addres>"), run canola (background canola&) and finaly run "osso-screenshot-tool /media/mmc1/screenshot.png" | 17:16 |
| bergie | chenca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_%28software%29 | 17:17 |
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| bergie | Jaffa: good start! | 17:18 |
| chenca | bergie: great!! Canola Team say thanks!!! | 17:21 |
| bergie | no prob, just keep fighting to make it open source ;-) | 17:21 |
| k-s | bergie: ;-) | 17:22 |
| k-s | bergie: pay attention to screenshot... | 17:22 |
| bergie | k-s: ? | 17:23 |
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| k-s | bergie: that one you've uploaded | 17:23 |
| k-s | bergie: compare it to your current canola | 17:23 |
| k-s | bergie: you can already see one new feature there | 17:24 |
| * bergie starting up... | 17:24 | |
| marceoli | =) | 17:24 |
| bergie | k-s: it shows only two menu items, and "greys out" arrows for directions that are not available? | 17:25 |
| k-s | bergie: bonus++ | 17:25 |
| marceoli | =) | 17:25 |
| k-s | bergie: it was requested on garage | 17:25 |
| chenca | bergie: Congratulations!! | 17:26 |
| marceoli | that one was easy .. the best thing is under the hood, chenca's work on cpu =) | 17:26 |
| k-s | bergie: marceoli is preparing some screenshots to demo that on lists | 17:26 |
| k-s | marceoli: a video wouldn't hurt... with that nice effect | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, do a video :) Always nice to show off some eyecandy. | 17:27 |
| marceoli | yeah for sure | 17:27 |
| marceoli | the problem is that is so subtle.. that youtube screws it up | 17:27 |
| marceoli | but I will edit it as k-s suggested here | 17:33 |
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| bergie | guys, when will you make a new Canola beta? | 17:40 |
| k-s | bergie: no promieses, maybe next week | 17:40 |
| k-s | bergie: but I'd say "when it's ready" | 17:41 |
| bergie | ok | 17:41 |
| bergie | anything else new? | 17:41 |
| k-s | bergie: most are not visible | 17:41 |
| k-s | bergie: visible I think are: improved themes and folder now indicates position | 17:42 |
| bergie | ok | 17:42 |
| k-s | player also shows 3 lines instead of 2, one for title, other for album and then artist | 17:42 |
| bergie | good | 17:43 |
| k-s | bergie: but we have a lot of things underneath | 17:43 |
| bergie | anyway, have to go to do a bit of website hacking with tigert... | 17:43 |
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| k-s | bergie: improved upnp (I've also fixed some free servers) | 17:43 |
| k-s | bergie: less cpu usage, daap now have dynamic playlists (by artist, album and genre) | 17:44 |
| bergie | regarding upnp, is gmediaserver any good? | 17:45 |
| k-s | bergie: buggy... | 17:45 |
| k-s | bergie: I doesn't do simple things as escaping generated xml | 17:45 |
| bergie | bbl | 17:45 |
| k-s | bergie: they generate it using naive printf() | 17:46 |
| bergie | ouch | 17:46 |
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| Tak | you really disturbed him | 17:46 |
| k-s | Tak: :-D | 17:46 |
| k-s | lunch time here | 17:47 |
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| czr | hmm. has anyone ran across some mechanism to make userspace block dev drivers? | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | nbd? | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | network block device | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | I think it can do that | 20:30 |
| czr | the daemon is local | 20:30 |
| czr | no need to shuffle data through network stack | 20:30 |
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| czr | and running nbd and nbdd causes problems | 20:31 |
| czr | or at least used to when I tested it. kernel locks and fun stuff like that | 20:31 |
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| kender | hello | 21:24 |
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| rev | hey kender | 21:24 |
| kender | hi rev | 21:24 |
| rev | how goes it? | 21:24 |
| kender | nice :) | 21:25 |
| kender | here, doing some experiments with the "fonera" | 21:25 |
| kender | do you know it? | 21:25 |
| rev | that weird VoIP/Wifi company? | 21:25 |
| kender | mmm... | 21:25 |
| kender | more less, yes | 21:26 |
| kender | hehe | 21:26 |
| * rev nods ok | 21:26 | |
| rev | you get a free router, stick it in your house, then it's lsited as a place people can use it for VoIP, ja? | 21:26 |
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| kender | the company is a little bit suspicius, or strange; but the gadget "fonera" is pretty | 21:26 |
| rev | is the gadget the router? | 21:26 |
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| mgedmin | what's suspicious? | 21:27 |
| kender | rev, hehehe, and then, you go away, and you use others users wifi | 21:27 |
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| kender | rev, yes | 21:27 |
| rev | cool | 21:27 |
| kender | rev, it isn't exactly a router | 21:27 |
| kender | is....an AP | 21:27 |
| kender | only | 21:27 |
| rev | can you use it for non-VoIP? | 21:27 |
| rev | on someone else's AP | 21:27 |
| kender | but....if you "hack it", opening it's ssh, it is very useful | 21:27 |
| kender | rev, yeah, of course | 21:28 |
| kender | for internet access simply | 21:28 |
| kender | mgedmin, mmm... that they send you the ap free... | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | I though they were selling the APs for 30 EUR | 21:29 |
| kender | mgedmin, I get 5 of them, free at the begining | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | afaiu they make money (or plan to) by selling Internet access to aliens | 21:29 |
| kender | andrunko, 3 months ago, they give you a linksys router, by the price of 25 euro | 21:30 |
| kender | mgedmin, hehehehe | 21:30 |
| kender | mgedmin, I dunno, that's because it is...strange | 21:30 |
| kender | anyway, if the idea goes on, it could be...interesting | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | isn't that more or less the same as google paying you $$ for putting google ads in your website? | 21:30 |
| kender | imagine | 21:30 |
| kender | with the nokia 770, everywhere with internet access | 21:31 |
| kender | :DD | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | you get a cheap AP, people pay $$ for using it, fon gets money | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | you get to use other people's APs for free | 21:31 |
| kender | mgedmin, I don't think so | 21:31 |
| sxpert | I'm getting : | 21:31 |
| kender | mgedmin, no no | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | or you can choose to get half the money | 21:31 |
| sxpert | You have 4 other Scratchbox sessions running! | 21:31 |
| sxpert | You must terminate them before the active target can be changed. | 21:31 |
| sxpert | any ideas ? | 21:31 |
| kender | mgedmin, well, yes.. | 21:31 |
| kender | hehe | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | sxpert: close the other scratchbox sessions | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | or are you saying that you don't have them? | 21:31 |
| sxpert | mgedmin, I don't have any other | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | then there must be some processes from a scratchbox session running in the background | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | find them with ps and kill them | 21:32 |
| sxpert | mgedmin, hmmm... | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | IIRC something like this happened to me once | 21:33 |
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| sxpert | I rebooted the box, but scratchbox still complains... | 21:56 |
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| sxpert | which file needs nuked for that stupid thing stops acting up ? | 21:57 |
| sp3000 | grep the scripts :) | 21:58 |
| * sp3000 doesn't have a sbox handy | 21:58 | |
| sp3000 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2006-11-19.log.html also contains the question but not an answer | 21:58 |
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| sxpert | man... scratchbox is a real POS !! | 22:09 |
| sxpert | if you don't run debian, you're f**ed, it doesn't even try to work | 22:14 |
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| tko_ | I had no problems running sbox on rh9 | 22:15 |
| tko_ | but in general, sbox is nice as long as it works.. when it doesn't, well... :) | 22:17 |
| sxpert | ok. let's try installing this god forsaken distro from hell :D | 22:23 |
| dpb | What distro doesn't it work on? | 22:24 |
| sxpert | gentoo. | 22:25 |
| bencer | do you know if tapioca-ui available for maemo supports common jabber, or just gtalk ? | 22:25 |
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| Robot101 | both, but so does the in-built stuff... | 22:26 |
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| bencer | i'm going to try it, i'm fed up of the auto-connect feature of the bult-in im app ... maybe withh gconf could be disabled | 22:27 |
| Robot101 | hm? what's the problem exactly? | 22:28 |
| dpb | sxpert: It should work.. which version of scratchbox? what problems are you having? | 22:29 |
| bencer | i don't like that the im app auto-connects when the wifi connection goes up | 22:29 |
| sxpert | dpb, I tried the 0.9.8.8 ebuild I found on bugs.gentoo.org | 22:30 |
| sxpert | I can't seem to be able to actually do anything. It complains about scratchbox session still opened | 22:30 |
| sxpert | but I can't find anything | 22:30 |
| dpb | sxpert: Let me guess.. Kernel 2.6.18? | 22:31 |
| sxpert | yep | 22:31 |
| sxpert | is that a problem ? | 22:31 |
| dpb | Yes | 22:31 |
| sxpert | ah. | 22:31 |
| dpb | http://bugzilla.scratchbox.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=279 | 22:31 |
| dpb | Fixed on the newest Scratchbox Apophis. | 22:31 |
| tko_ | bencer, have you tried changing the 'Status when connected' preference to 'Off' ? | 22:31 |
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| tko_ | bencer, (Control Panel / Presence) | 22:31 |
| bencer | tko_: where is this option ? | 22:32 |
| bencer | hoho, let me see | 22:32 |
| sxpert | dpb, ok, where's the ebuild ? | 22:32 |
| dpb | sxpert: Probably nowhere. Installing from the tarballs can't be that hard, can it? | 22:32 |
| sxpert | hmmm. | 22:32 |
| bencer | tko_: that's what i was looking for, thanks :) | 22:33 |
| sxpert | never mind. time for me to swap to debian, see if it's any better now than it was 4 years ago when I ended up fed up with it carrying around 6 years old packages | 22:33 |
| chenca | sxepert: I had no problems running sys-devel/scratchbox-0.9.8.8 on gentoo | 22:34 |
| bencer | anyway i'd like to get the im app integrated with GPE contacts, and this won't be possbile :-/ maybe could be with the tapica-ui which is free software | 22:34 |
| sxpert | chenca, lucky you | 22:34 |
| ssvb | interesting, i did not know that scratchbox has problems with 2.6.18 (still using 2.6.17 kernel), so it is good that i was too lazy to upgrade :) | 22:34 |
| ssvb | hmm, even more interesting: http://maemo.org/downloads/download-sdk.html | 22:36 |
| ssvb | 'The current version, maemo 2.1 only supports Scratchbox 0.9.8.8' | 22:36 |
| ssvb | so i guess it is just easier not to upgrade kernel (or downgrade it if necessary), is 2.6.18 that much better? | 22:38 |
| ssvb | sxpert, 'Linux localhost 2.6.17-gentoo-r8' here, scratchbox is working fine | 22:39 |
| sxpert | well... | 22:40 |
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| arj | where is Documents located in the filesystem? | 23:29 |
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| tko_ | /home/user/MyDocs/.documents | 23:30 |
| arj | thanks! | 23:30 |
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| |tbb| | np :) | 23:33 |
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| arj | how do I become root? | 23:34 |
| |tbb| | install became root from the application list on maemo.org then sudo gainroot | 23:35 |
| tko_ | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 23:36 |
| arj | thx | 23:37 |
| |tbb| | np :) | 23:37 |
| arj | I need to run a ppp script | 23:37 |
| arj | I think it is, anyone have experience with that | 23:37 |
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| * |tbb| not :( | 23:40 | |
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