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| Tak | arj: I wrote a little gtk app to connect to a machine by ssh and launch/control mplayer | 00:03 |
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| Tak | I haven't released it bc I thought nobody would care | 00:04 |
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| arj | Tak: not exactly what I was thinking about but sounds a little related. I was more looking for something along the lines of uPnP. Thanks anyway. | 00:09 |
| snuffels | andruko: ok, got the dump file I'll take a look at it with Ethereal now. | 00:10 |
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| snuffels | andruko: As I suspected server is: Intel SDK for UPnP devices/1.3.1 | 00:15 |
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| andrunko | snuffels: got go now, k-s[WORK] and _Handful_ can help you if you find something | 00:17 |
| snuffels | andruko: ok bye | 00:19 |
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| snuffels | k-s: Are you still there? | 00:35 |
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| snuffels | Seems that my UPnP server does not seem to like the HTTP HEAD method for getting the file contents. | 00:37 |
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| maddler | DOH! | 00:44 |
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| snuffels | Does canola's UPnP code use the HEAD reequest to determine the content-type / content-length? | 00:47 |
| k-s | snuffels: no | 00:47 |
| k-s | snuffels: actually, canola doesn't have any lower-level UPnP code, it uses ClinkC, same as mediastreamer. | 00:47 |
| k-s | snuffels: it's like libupnp, but already provided by maemo | 00:48 |
| snuffels | k-s: hmm, the last request is a HTTP HEAD. The response does not have the CONTENT-TYPE field filled, but the rest seems ok. | 00:50 |
| snuffels | k-s: So I think ClinkC, does no seem to be satisfied with that as it does not try a HTTP GET to obtain the actual data | 00:51 |
| snuffels | k-s: Is the ClinkC sorce code available? | 00:57 |
| k-s | snuffels: yes, at sourceforge | 00:58 |
| k-s | snuffels: but seems that it's not the same version as maemo provides | 00:58 |
| snuffels | k-s: :-( | 00:58 |
| k-s | snuffels: the problem you related is known, we fixed it today :-) | 00:58 |
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| k-s | snuffels: it's in our player plugin, we check for mimetype if it's known to be playable, but "" is not a known mimetype | 00:59 |
| k-s | in our beta | 00:59 |
| snuffels | k-s: So what way do you use to determine the type of the data payload? | 00:59 |
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| snuffels | k-s: Is the fixed/changed version already installable from the repository? | 01:02 |
| k-s | snuffels: UPnP Content Directory provides the mimetype on <res> tag, as part of the protocolInfo attribute | 01:03 |
| k-s | snuffels: no, we'll pack a new beta soon | 01:04 |
| k-s | maybe next week, but no promises | 01:04 |
| k-s | we're still fixing bugs reported on garage.maemo, testing more upnp servers (also fixing some, like ushare and gmediaserver) | 01:04 |
| k-s | but after this release it should work with most servers | 01:05 |
| k-s | we've found some glitches... | 01:05 |
| k-s | like apple's server doesn't report childCount, I've thought that it was required but it's not | 01:06 |
| k-s | also, we don't check if objects support sortCriteria="+dc:title", however we use it | 01:06 |
| snuffels | k-s: that's cool. I'll install the version when it's available and tell you if it's working. | 01:07 |
| k-s | last but not least, if we detect server uses Microsoft XBox360 object id schema, we'll use it | 01:07 |
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| k-s | UPnP have object classes like object.container.musicContainer, but nobody uses it for root items :-((((( | 01:07 |
| k-s | after microsoft, a huge company, came with their limited xbox360, they used their market share to force a new "standard" | 01:08 |
| k-s | and devices are using it | 01:08 |
| k-s | instead of music classes, you use object's id, like "1" = "Music" | 01:08 |
| k-s | "2" = "Picture" | 01:09 |
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| k-s | object ids can be any string... just "0" is known to be the "root" item | 01:09 |
| snuffels | k-s: MS is know to widely ignore existing specs/practice. ;-) | 01:10 |
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| k-s | snuffels: I know :-( | 01:11 |
| snuffels | k-s: They sometimes even igore their own specs/documentation in the MSDN library. | 01:11 |
| k-s | so far, I have one opinion on upnp | 01:11 |
| k-s | upnp is a spec that don't spec much | 01:11 |
| k-s | :-) | 01:11 |
| k-s | it's so broad that users can do anything | 01:12 |
| k-s | there is always room for vendor extensions where you don't need any | 01:12 |
| k-s | and lack of checking/validation allows you to just use extensions | 01:12 |
| snuffels | k-s: Had similar problems with Web Services. Even it is a W3C spec every implementation comes with its own interpretation of it. | 01:14 |
| snuffels | k-s: At least it helped me to read plain HTTP/XML/SOAP tcpdumps. ;-) | 01:15 |
| snuffels | k-s: Just like watching the MATRIX. ;-) | 01:15 |
| * snuffels has to go now. Thanks for the great support. bye. | 01:17 | |
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| k-s | snuffels: yes | 01:19 |
| k-s | snuffels: I don't like w3 standards that much | 01:19 |
| k-s | snuffels: ok, they have html, but that's it | 01:19 |
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| k-s | xhtml is not that success | 01:19 |
| k-s | css is somehow... | 01:20 |
| k-s | but xforms, xpath, ... what a shame | 01:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:31 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, is maemo.org down? | 10:40 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: seems so. | 10:43 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Hmm, I'm not sure our proxy's not suffering too: ITT and Gmail are both being slow | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It seems to work now. | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Excellent. | 10:53 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 12:43 |
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| MDK | koen: thanks for the comment, we're also doing some work on icon theming | 17:52 |
| MDK | koen: btw, what are you up to with that efika board? Planning something? | 17:53 |
| koen | MDK: trying to get video conferencing working | 17:54 |
| * MDK compares it to some via itx boards | 17:56 | |
| MDK | ah, they're bigger 17cm x 17cm | 17:58 |
| MDK | but the mini-itx stuff is cheap | 17:59 |
| koen | you can't beat free :) | 18:00 |
| MDK | 60e for mini-itx with fanless 600mhz Eden + all the usual video/audio built-in suspects | 18:00 |
| MDK | hey, it's 160e normally | 18:01 |
| MDK | (efika I mean) | 18:02 |
| MDK | Alex Graveley was playing with stuff a while back, I think he was trying to build an embedded system with a UI made 100% in flash | 18:03 |
| * koen tends to avoid x86 based systems | 18:05 | |
| koen | flash, that reminds me | 18:06 |
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| koen | I should try to get a chumby | 18:06 |
| * Jaffa 's Linux box's Via board died last night after a few years of sterling service. Now trying to work out whether or not to replace it with the same one, which stuttered a bit with the Myth front end (an ME6000), use a 1GHz Nehemiah (not fanless) or try and get XvMC etc. working with the shiny new CN700-based chipsetted boards | 18:09 | |
| MDK | hmm, seems like the case is the most expensive bit when building a mini-itx system | 18:11 |
| MDK | too bad the fanless boards from via don't have integrated wifi | 18:14 |
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| ||cw | Jaffa: if you have room in the case, you can probably add a better heat sink to make the Ghz fanless | 18:18 |
| ||cw | and I've seen cases that replace the stock sink with a heatpipe one that channels the heat to a large sink on the case itself | 18:19 |
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| * Jaffa has a Silverstone LC-06 (or one of the nice Silverstone cases). | 18:34 | |
| Jaffa | ||cw: A fan may not be too noisy; but the 1GHz-based server I had was very noisy. Going to check this evening if that was case or CPU fans | 18:34 |
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| MDK | ||cw: yeah, I've got one of those fancy silverstone cases for a full-atx server | 18:42 |
| MDK | in my living room | 18:42 |
| MDK | kinda silent, though I had to slightly down-clock the amd 2500 as it was overheating | 18:42 |
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| MDK | one nice thing about finland is that electricity is darn cheap here | 18:44 |
| ||cw | on my dual Ghz p3 server the PSU fan is the loudest | 18:44 |
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| kender | hi | 19:00 |
| Tak | Updated fceu with save state and shiny esd audio now available | 19:02 |
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| kender | which are the drivers used by the nokia 770 wifi card? | 19:33 |
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| shapr | cx3110x | 19:44 |
| shapr | kender: And they're available on maemoforge | 19:44 |
| shapr | or whatever it's really called | 19:44 |
| kender | andrunko, what modes it supports? | 19:45 |
| kender | ups | 19:45 |
| kender | shapr, | 19:45 |
| kender | hehe | 19:45 |
| shapr | It claims to support managed, ad-hoc, and monitor mode. | 19:45 |
| kender | aircrack works? | 19:45 |
| shapr | yup | 19:45 |
| kender | great! | 19:45 |
| kender | :) | 19:45 |
| shapr | But I haven't tried ad-hoc yet. | 19:45 |
| kender | wds? | 19:46 |
| shapr | There is an OLSRd package. | 19:46 |
| shapr | What's wds? | 19:46 |
| kender | mm... get and resend | 19:46 |
| shapr | Don't know about that. | 19:46 |
| kender | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System | 19:46 |
| kender | :D | 19:46 |
| kender | is used, most of all, in routers of wireless comunities | 19:47 |
| kender | in the nokia 770, it weren't be really useful | 19:47 |
| shapr | Why not? | 19:47 |
| ||cw | beasue it's take for routers/ap's | 19:48 |
| ||cw | task^ | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | heh | 19:48 |
| kender | yep | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | use people with nokias instead of access pooints | 19:48 |
| kender | hehehehe | 19:48 |
| shapr | Why shouldn't 770s also be routers? | 19:48 |
| kender | that would be funny | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | "pete, move a little bit to the north, bart isn't getting a connection" | 19:48 |
| ||cw | because they get turned off too much | 19:48 |
| shapr | For example, I'd like to have a 770 music player that also shares all of my music via ad-hoc wifi. | 19:48 |
| shapr | Hardware p2p... | 19:49 |
| kender | mgedmin, :D | 19:49 |
| MDK | upnp? | 19:49 |
| shapr | MDK: That's an idea | 19:49 |
| ||cw | k, but then you get 1 hours battery max because of you constantly using the wifi in full power mode | 19:49 |
| shapr | Pretty good idea too | 19:49 |
| shapr | But upnp players don't usually download as well as stream, do they? | 19:49 |
| MDK | shapr: hopefully we thought about that too | 19:50 |
| MDK | shapr: you can download via upnp | 19:50 |
| MDK | but usually upnp just streams over http | 19:50 |
| ||cw | uonp is just a way to find resources, the resources can then do anythign they want | 19:50 |
| shapr | Yeah, but nokia already has a upnp player for the 770. | 19:50 |
| shapr | I guess it's not oss? | 19:50 |
| MDK | ||cw: are you sure? Doesn't upnp also define the access method? | 19:51 |
| ||cw | upnp doesn't stream over http, upnp just finds the http based media system, then http streams it | 19:51 |
| shapr | ||cw: What about only going to full power for beacons? | 19:51 |
| shapr | If your beacons were widely separated... | 19:51 |
| ||cw | upnp can also find printers, drive shares, AP's, anything realy | 19:51 |
| MDK | some nokia phones (ie. N80) have built-in upnp server/client | 19:51 |
| MDK | but it's not very reliable I must say | 19:52 |
| shapr | The gmediaserver debian/unstable package works well with the upnp 770 client. | 19:52 |
| shapr | Except that FLACs aren't supported well :-/ | 19:53 |
| MDK | ushare worked well for me too with some patching from garage | 19:53 |
| MDK | I haven't tried, but I guess the hard part is when you actually share a very large library | 19:54 |
| MDK | I've got ~20gb of mp3's | 19:54 |
| shapr | I've got 120gb of music. | 19:55 |
| Tak | Oh yeah?! Well, MY penis is...wait, what are we talking about? | 19:55 |
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| shapr | gmediaserver takes a very long time to startup with that much. | 19:55 |
| MDK | shapr: and it works well with mediastreamer? | 19:55 |
| shapr | I don't know, I got tired of waiting for gmediaserver to suck up all the tags and just ran it on a few albums instead. | 19:56 |
| MDK | heh | 19:56 |
| MDK | exacly same thing here | 19:56 |
| shapr | But mediastreamer works fine with twenty or thirty albums. | 19:56 |
| MDK | I would expect problems on the mediastreamer side | 19:57 |
| MDK | though, a well-designed client should have no problems | 19:58 |
| shapr | En tiedä | 19:58 |
| MDK | but people do stupid things in this kind of apps -- like trying to load all the data/database into memory | 19:58 |
| MDK | e-mail client is a genuine example here | 19:59 |
| shapr | That's one reason I prefer non-strict languages. | 20:00 |
| Tak | yeah | 20:01 |
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| Tak | also appending lists in an inefficient way | 20:03 |
| MDK | speaking of strict languages, would be cool if someone packaged ruby for scirocco | 20:03 |
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| arj | does anyone have internet (GPRS) using a samsung phone working? | 20:10 |
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| linitrofe | anyone with experience building Xserver? | 20:16 |
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| sxpert | hi there | 20:20 |
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| kender | hi sxpert | 20:21 |
| sxpert | so, any news on a howto install the sdk on gentoo ? | 20:22 |
| sxpert | because I don't want to have to install debian just for that :( | 20:22 |
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| ssvb | sxpert: it is easy to install sdk in gentoo | 20:39 |
| ssvb | sxpert: all the needed ebuilds are in sunrise overlay | 20:40 |
| ssvb | sxpert: also check this link http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94225 | 20:41 |
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| florian | re | 20:58 |
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| sxpert | ssvb, thanks | 21:05 |
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| arj | argh | 21:09 |
| arj | my nokia and phone doens't want to play with each other | 21:09 |
| arj | I tried connecting using my pc and it worked fine | 21:10 |
| arj | the nokia connects and everything looks fine. It just gets a "remote server error" after something like 10-20 seconds (still trying to get the connection) | 21:11 |
| arj | I'm talking about internet over GPRS in case anyone was wondering ;-) | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | have you paired the devices? | 21:12 |
| arj | not sure what you mean | 21:12 |
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| arj | I added the phone under control panel -> phone and that working fine | 21:12 |
| arj | but when I try to connect, the phone asks if it's ok to create a DUN | 21:13 |
| arj | on the phone I can't get a service list from the nokia but maybe that's ok | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | yes | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | the nokia doesn't advertise itself via bluetooth, and I think it exports no services | 21:15 |
| arj | ok | 21:15 |
| arj | I have tried more or less anything I can think of | 21:15 |
| arj | it's the same every time. | 21:16 |
| arj | Connect on the nokia | 21:16 |
| arj | phone asks if ok | 21:16 |
| arj | seems to connect to GPRS (little icon) | 21:16 |
| arj | seems to send data over bluetooth (BT icon blinking) | 21:16 |
| arj | but it just fails connecting after a little while | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | strange; I've no idea what could be wrong | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | dialup settings on the nokia? bad APN or something? | 21:17 |
| arj | I tried using a computer and it worked fine | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | I just added my phone, picked my mobile operator in the internet connection wizard, and it worked | 21:17 |
| arj | I have also tried with another phone and it worked perfectly | 21:17 |
| arj | so it must be something with phone/nokia interaction | 21:18 |
| arj | I just bought the phone to get DUN | 21:19 |
| arj | :-( | 21:19 |
| arj | in case anyone was wondering it's a samsung E900 | 21:19 |
| arj | but it has to work. It doesn't make any sense | 21:19 |
| arj | why does the computer work but not the nokia ;-) | 21:20 |
| * mgedmin no idea | 21:21 | |
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| MDK | arj: post to the mailing list | 21:32 |
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| MDK | arj: could be someone had this problem before | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | I saw a post about dialup and samsung phones on the list | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | but I never had a samsung phone | 21:33 |
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| arj | ok thanks | 21:35 |
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| arj | mgedmin: the users list? | 21:36 |
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| MDK | there is also http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothDUN but E900 doesn't seem to be there | 21:36 |
| arj | ah nice | 21:38 |
| arj | if you look at the samsung X820 it seems he did some kind of a magic trick to get it working | 21:38 |
| * mgedmin probably dreamed it | 21:39 | |
| mgedmin | nice wiki page | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | "Please read table editing instructions at the end before adding/modifying!" | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | there are no instructions | 21:40 |
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| MDK | the samsung X820 is the most recently added item | 21:42 |
| MDK | so you might have luck to catch the person who "fixed it" on the mailing list | 21:43 |
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| * sp3000 presumes that's at the btm of the edit page under the form, and edits to that effect | 22:12 | |
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| sp3000 | how do I see older diffs in the wiki? | 22:14 |
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| sp3000 | (also, not showing diffs before committing is just annoying) | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | ah, the link to the full history list is very poorly titled, s'all | 22:16 |
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