| *** Juhaz has quit IRC | 00:09 | |
| *** Kopsu has quit IRC | 00:09 | |
| *** rev has joined #maemo | 00:11 | |
| *** lele has quit IRC | 00:15 | |
| *** __shawn has joined #maemo | 00:16 | |
| ochipepe | Hello, I would like to install maemo SDK on my mandriva 2006, but I'm a bit confused with the tutorial (http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#Installing-Scratchbox). At point 5 I don't really understand the instructions (restart user session) | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| ochipepe | the command does not seem to work? | 00:18 |
| sp3000 | what command? | 00:19 |
| ochipepe | $groups | 00:20 |
| ochipepe | I get only my username as output, not what is writtent at point 5 | 00:20 |
| sp3000 | oh, right, that makes no sense, 'groups' doesn't restart anything | 00:20 |
| ochipepe | then what should I do? | 00:20 |
| sp3000 | anyway you need a new login | 00:20 |
| ochipepe | I gave my own user name at point 4 | 00:21 |
| ochipepe | (# /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser myusername) | 00:22 |
| jtra | size comparison http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/n770-vs-palmt3-small.jpg (180KB) | 00:22 |
| sp3000 | ochipepe: e.g. su $(whoami) | 00:22 |
| ochipepe | sp3000: should I writ "su $(whoami) as root? | 00:22 |
| sp3000 | no | 00:23 |
| sp3000 | you ant to be yourself for starting your scratchbox session | 00:23 |
| sp3000 | s/ant/want/ | 00:23 |
| sp3000 | it may be enough to start another terminal, if that happens to do the login term dance | 00:23 |
| sp3000 | I do't really know that stuff :) | 00:24 |
| ochipepe | sp3000: it asked for my password... which I provided | 00:24 |
| sp3000 | so 'groups' then and you should see the sbox group | 00:24 |
| sp3000 | and be able to start a sbox session | 00:24 |
| ochipepe | indeed! ;) | 00:24 |
| ochipepe | for the record, what is su $(whoami) supposed to do? | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | it's just that groups don't update to existing logins | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | so that just does a login | 00:25 |
| ochipepe | ok | 00:25 |
| ochipepe | and forces a re-update? | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | you might want to file a bug on the documentation if one doesn't exist, since the text is broken | 00:25 |
| *** xan has quit IRC | 00:25 | |
| ochipepe | a pitty this isn't a wiki | 00:25 |
| ochipepe | ok, I'll file a bug | 00:26 |
| ochipepe | thanks for the help! | 00:26 |
| sp3000 | ochipepe: well it's a new login, if you exit from it you'll have the old groups | 00:26 |
| sp3000 | since you'd land back in the previous login in that term | 00:26 |
| ochipepe | sp3000: you mean that I have to login to scratch box I'll have to do that instruction all the time? | 00:27 |
| *** florian__ is now known as florian | 00:27 | |
| sp3000 | not unless you run from a login that was started before you were added to the sbox group | 00:28 |
| florian | re | 00:28 |
| ochipepe | understood! | 00:28 |
| *** benzea has quit IRC | 00:30 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 00:32 | |
| *** |tbb| has quit IRC | 00:39 | |
| *** snorkelyd has left #maemo | 00:43 | |
| *** Darknesss has joined #maemo | 00:47 | |
| Darknesss | hi, I'm a bit confused | 00:48 |
| Darknesss | following the "Maemo 2.1 tutorial", should I just install the latest maemo sdk (2.1) or 2.0? | 00:49 |
| Darknesss | because the guide still mentions Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v2.0_i386.tgz | 00:49 |
| Darknesss | anyone, it's not such a hard question if you ask me, I just don't want to do everyting twice... | 00:54 |
| Tak | I'm still using 2.0 | 00:54 |
| Tak | I think there was an issue with apps developed using the 2.1 SDK not being compatible devices running 2.0 ? | 00:55 |
| jtra | interesting, the n770 is in R&D mode according to flasher-2.0; I would expect a new device not to be in it | 00:56 |
| jtra | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 00:56 |
| jtra | The device is in R&D mode | 00:56 |
| Darknesss | ok, so I will just use 2.0 then | 00:56 |
| jtra | what does <no version> means? | 00:57 |
| sp3000 | when in doubt, file a doc bug ;) | 00:57 |
| Darknesss | :) | 00:57 |
| *** GreySim has quit IRC | 00:57 | |
| sp3000 | (as in, regardless of whether it's correct or not, if the discrepancy can cause confusion, it should be explained if correct) | 00:58 |
| jtra | aha, --query-rd-mode shows it wrong | 01:00 |
| jtra | it writes "The device is now in R&D mode" even if I'm switching between enable and disable, while the icon below "nokia" text indicates the real rd mode | 01:02 |
| *** Ryback_ has quit IRC | 01:14 | |
| *** ochipepe has left #maemo | 01:31 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 01:31 | |
| *** sbaturzio has quit IRC | 01:40 | |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 01:45 | |
| *** spect has quit IRC | 01:45 | |
| *** tommie has joined #maemo | 02:08 | |
| *** tommie has left #maemo | 02:08 | |
| *** febb has joined #maemo | 02:08 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 02:29 | |
| *** wasabi_ has quit IRC | 02:37 | |
| *** waite has joined #maemo | 02:38 | |
| *** Darknesss has quit IRC | 02:43 | |
| *** febb has quit IRC | 02:58 | |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 02:58 | |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 03:21 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 03:22 | |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 03:26 | |
| *** kb7sqi has quit IRC | 04:04 | |
| *** waite has quit IRC | 04:14 | |
| *** Juhaz has joined #maemo | 04:39 | |
| *** rev has quit IRC | 05:09 | |
| *** phil|work has quit IRC | 05:58 | |
| *** kb7sqi has joined #maemo | 06:03 | |
| *** philipl has joined #maemo | 06:06 | |
| *** blarson has joined #maemo | 06:39 | |
| *** blarson has left #maemo | 06:40 | |
| *** rkaway2 has quit IRC | 07:32 | |
| *** rkaway2 has joined #maemo | 07:33 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 07:38 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 07:42 | |
| *** rev has joined #maemo | 07:59 | |
| *** __shawn has quit IRC | 09:15 | |
| *** __shawn has joined #maemo | 09:16 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 09:30 | |
| *** winkle has left #maemo | 09:38 | |
| *** philipl is now known as phil|sleep | 09:45 | |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 10:08 | |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 10:08 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 10:11 | |
| *** polac has joined #maemo | 10:14 | |
| *** koen has joined #maemo | 10:33 | |
| *** Guardian has joined #maemo | 10:40 | |
| Guardian | morning all | 10:42 |
| polac | morning to you also. | 10:43 |
| dacc | yo | 10:43 |
| polac | care to answer newbies question? | 10:43 |
| dacc | sure | 10:44 |
| polac | Nice! Ok. Here comes. | 10:44 |
| Guardian | error link on maemo.org, the last news about herring, the second link to sardine wiki has "ttp" protocol instead of "http" | 10:44 |
| Guardian | just so you know | 10:45 |
| polac | I'm trying to compile openct for the maemo. I run openct:s ./configure andit complains that ltdl.h is missin or that it cannot link with it. whats this? | 10:46 |
| dacc | you're trying to build something in scratchbox? | 10:47 |
| dacc | that's an include file for libtool | 10:48 |
| polac | I of course have intalled libtool and it sources. So I do have the ltdl.h file inside my scratchbox | 10:48 |
| *** sKaBoy has joined #maemo | 10:48 | |
| dacc | ah, ok | 10:48 |
| dacc | hmm, anything in config.log? | 10:48 |
| polac | let's see... | 10:48 |
| Tak | you think there's any benefit in using gstreamer for an emulator, where it's essentially just going to have pcm data fed to it? | 10:49 |
| Tak | or should I just use esd? | 10:49 |
| polac | dacc, this seems to be the problem | 10:52 |
| polac | configure:22985: checking how to link with libltdl | 10:52 |
| polac | configure:23374: result: -lltdl | 10:52 |
| polac | configure:23421: checking ltdl.h usability | 10:52 |
| polac | configure:23438: gcc -c -Wall -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 | 10:52 |
| polac | conftest.c:73:18: ltdl.h: No such file or directory | 10:52 |
| dacc | hmm | 10:52 |
| polac | this is from config.log | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:53 |
| dacc | hi | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Anyone looked/thought about gcj in Scratchbox targetting armel? | 10:53 |
| dacc | Jaffa: you might also consider ikvm under mono | 10:54 |
| polac | so gcc doesn't find the ltdl.h allthough it can be found targets/SDK_PC/usr/share/libtool/libltdl/ltdl.h ? | 10:54 |
| dacc | polac: yeah, strange. maybe there is a spot where you can add that dir to a global -I param for gcc? | 10:55 |
| dacc | polac: (in configure.in, maybe) | 10:56 |
| dacc | polac: (or in a param to ./configure) | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | dacc: No, I'm thinking of speed without using Jazelle: JamVM's basically working, classpath is nice (but could be hacked to support Hildon out-of-the-box), but without a JIT or Jazelle, an interpreter'll be too slow. ikvm won't help there. | 10:56 |
| dacc | polac: doesn't seem like you should need to, though. sorry, i'm inexperienced with building under scratchbox | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | Might be interesting to compare the speed of a Mono GUI though. | 10:56 |
| polac | dacc: Thanks, at least now I know little bit more about what my problem actually is. | 10:57 |
| polac | dacc: I think you are way more experienced then me. This is my first time | 10:57 |
| polac | ;) | 10:58 |
| dacc | polac: ah, cool. yeah, i'm thinking about trying again, because i want to try getting wifiroamd running on my device =) | 10:58 |
| polac | btw. Should I use command fakeroot in all of my command. I mean what is it's purpose? | 10:59 |
| dacc | Jaffa: ah, i see. neat, i hadn't seen jazelle. do you think nokia will integrate this at some point, or do the n770 chips not have support? | 10:59 |
| alp | Jaffa: ikvm compiles java bytecode to managed assemblies, so it is jitted | 11:01 |
| alp | with jazelle, turns out the cpu maker is keeping the interface secret (and probably not sun's fault) | 11:02 |
| polac | dacc: newer heard about wifiroamd before, but looks nice. Man, I like this Nokia 770. I might even purchase one of my own. (Currently using my schools 770) | 11:02 |
| dacc | Jaffa: oh yeah, and you can cache jit output, iirc. i was using ikvm and had to cache platform dependent assemblies of classpath to reduce start-up time (otherwise entire classpath libs were built by the jit at each execution) | 11:03 |
| dacc | Jaffa: this was ikvm under .NET, though, not mono | 11:04 |
| dacc | polac: i'm pretty happy with mine | 11:04 |
| dacc | polac: what are you in school for? | 11:05 |
| polac | dacc: I'm studying Information tecnology and doing my thesis which includes programming to N770. | 11:07 |
| dacc | polac: sweet =) | 11:07 |
| dacc | polac: what is your thesis? | 11:08 |
| polac | dacc: jep. We are buildin portable RFID-reader. We are going to use openpcd as an reader. We connect the openpdc to N770 via usb. And for using openpecd I need librfid library. And in order to get that compile in scratchbox I think I need openct working first in scratchbox. | 11:10 |
| dacc | polac: yeah, sounds right | 11:10 |
| dacc | polac: have you gotten host mode usb working yet? | 11:10 |
| dacc | polac: i've played around with that a bit.., no success =\ | 11:11 |
| nomis | dacc: you know that you need to care about the power supply for the USB bus? | 11:11 |
| nomis | (for getting host mode to work) | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | dacc: interesting | 11:12 |
| polac | I think so ;) My friend is working on it and says that this week we can test it. | 11:12 |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 11:12 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 11:12 | |
| dacc | nomis: yeah, i tried using thoughtfix's "solderless" method with a battery powered usb hub | 11:13 |
| dacc | nomis: bought a hard-drive usb "y" cable | 11:13 |
| polac | And yes we have build a power injector for the system which at the moment is powered with 9v battery | 11:13 |
| dacc | nomis: i get some dmesg output on connecting the hub, but new devices aren't detected | 11:14 |
| nomis | dacc: hmm. | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | dacc: software enabled host mode or with flasher util? | 11:14 |
| * dacc nods. | 11:14 | |
| polac | dacc: sorry to here that you didn't get it working. Hopefully my friend has a better luck. | 11:14 |
| dacc | i just don't have any gear to do it custom (soldering iron, voltage tester) | 11:15 |
| dacc | polac: yeah, you'll get it =) | 11:15 |
| polac | Jaffa: which on is better? software/flasher? | 11:15 |
| Jaffa | dacc: sorry, I meant did you prod cat /proc/... at runtime, or did you use the flasher to enable host mode? I've heard that using the runtime method works from host -> client mode, but not client mode -> host. | 11:16 |
| Jaffa | But I've not tested it myself. | 11:16 |
| dacc | Jaffa: ohh, interesting. no, i hadn't heard about that. | 11:16 |
| dacc | Jaffa: what do you manipulate in /proc ? | 11:17 |
| *** AD-N770 has joined #maemo | 11:17 | |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:17 |
| dacc | hello | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | dacc: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg01926.html | 11:20 |
| Jaffa | (it's /sys, sorry) | 11:20 |
| dacc | Jaffa: thanks | 11:21 |
| *** bilboed has joined #maemo | 11:23 | |
| *** sp3000 has joined #maemo | 11:41 | |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 11:44 | |
| *** ferenc has joined #maemo | 11:45 | |
| ferenc | hello | 11:46 |
| *** obergix[work] has joined #maemo | 11:48 | |
| Jaffa | hi ferenc | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | ferenc: have you any control over planet.maemo.org ? | 11:49 |
| ferenc | Jaffa: yes | 11:50 |
| *** sickb has joined #maemo | 11:51 | |
| *** florian_kc has joined #maemo | 12:01 | |
| ferenc | Jaffa: why did you ask? is there any problem? (i know we have invalid RSS feeds over there...) | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | ferenc: (I sent a mail last week about this) I appreciate the consolidation of feed names, however http://bleb.org/software/770/apps.rss really shouldn't be titled with my name just because I produce it. It's entirely automated from ApplicationCatalog2006 and I'm not comfortable with my name being at the top of that; especially if/when I have a Maemo blog proper. | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | (I know the Midgard move's going to provide the RSS feed anyway, so the case will be moot) | 12:03 |
| ferenc | Jaffa: sorry, but i missed your mail. i will change it. | 12:04 |
| florian_kc | good morning | 12:04 |
| ferenc | florian_kc: good morning | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | ferenc: thanks - much appreciated. | 12:05 |
| florian_kc | hey ferenc | 12:05 |
| ferenc | Jaffa: planet is changed now | 12:07 |
| ferenc | bbl | 12:07 |
| *** Eloi has joined #maemo | 12:07 | |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 12:07 | |
| Jaffa | ferenc: thanks | 12:08 |
| *** konttori_ has joined #maemo | 12:14 | |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 12:14 | |
| *** dralex has joined #maemo | 12:17 | |
| *** bilboed is now known as bilboed-NotHobbi | 12:53 | |
| *** bilboed-NotHobbi is now known as bilboed-NoHobbit | 12:53 | |
| *** bilboed-NoHobbit is now known as bilboed | 12:57 | |
| *** ssvb has joined #maemo | 12:59 | |
| *** mgedmin has joined #maemo | 13:09 | |
| koen | MDK: your email is a good example of what I want in terms of nokia communicating with the community :) | 13:11 |
| koen | MDK: it discusses the problem, cause, solution and upgrade patch | 13:12 |
| koen | MDK: good job! | 13:12 |
| koen | s/patch/path/ | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | here here! | 13:12 |
| mgedmin | is that "here here", or "hear hear"? | 13:15 |
| *** ferenc has quit IRC | 13:21 | |
| Jaffa | The latter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear | 13:26 |
| *** ferenc has joined #maemo | 13:33 | |
| *** luck has joined #maemo | 13:41 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 13:42 | |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 13:54 | |
| *** etrunko_afk is now known as etrunko | 14:02 | |
| *** mallum has joined #maemo | 14:29 | |
| *** luck has quit IRC | 14:37 | |
| *** guru3 has quit IRC | 14:39 | |
| *** guru3 has joined #maemo | 14:42 | |
| *** epx has joined #maemo | 14:43 | |
| *** Ryback_ has joined #maemo | 14:45 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 14:45 | |
| *** ferenc has left #maemo | 15:03 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 15:10 | |
| *** mat|work has quit IRC | 15:25 | |
| *** dralex has quit IRC | 15:30 | |
| *** mat|work has joined #maemo | 15:34 | |
| *** mat|work has quit IRC | 15:45 | |
| *** mat|work has joined #maemo | 15:51 | |
| *** mat|work has quit IRC | 15:57 | |
| *** mat|work has joined #maemo | 15:58 | |
| *** minra has joined #maemo | 16:08 | |
| *** Guardian has quit IRC | 16:12 | |
| *** Guardian has joined #maemo | 16:12 | |
| *** minra has joined #maemo | 16:17 | |
| minra | there is kismet + festival lite speech output for 770 | 16:17 |
| minra | that is almost worth the price of admission | 16:18 |
| minra | i also have been encoding movies for mplayer and with careful, iterative selection of settings, one can get great results | 16:19 |
| minra | high motion scenes though are a real toughie. | 16:19 |
| minra | i worked a couple of hours to encode Shark Tale optimally, and showed it to a few people and they just melted. It looks great. | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | minra: I'd be interested in your encoding settings for mplayer for updating the `mplayer' preset in http://www.bleb.org/software/770/#encode | 16:23 |
| minra | i do not see a username by that message. who is typing please? | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | Jaffa. What client are you using? | 16:25 |
| minra | ah you made the script? great! nice to meet you | 16:26 |
| minra | it helped get me started | 16:26 |
| minra | i found i need to adjust things dependent on the film. i have not found a magic bullet yet. i am using the latest perl script | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | Ah, cool. | 16:27 |
| minra | quality is also subjective. on some films, i will accept occasional jerkiness in high motion scenes in preference to bad quality in low motion scenes | 16:28 |
| minra | i also encoode to mono audio. might be a useful flag to add. i see you go mono if abr is less than 6r | 16:29 |
| minra | 64 | 16:29 |
| minra | i also found that vbr audio encoding leads to desynchronisation that i can not correct with player plaayback settings | 16:29 |
| minra | it seems that mp3 needs to be cbr. however the vbr plays back fine on my PC and it saves some space | 16:30 |
| minra | lets see... what else.. | 16:32 |
| minra | question: i have been forcing 400x240 instead of using your scaler algorithm. when i used the script one film encoded to 384x19? and the scaling seemed to be slow. does mplayer on the n770 use hardware to scale when the output is 400x240? | 16:35 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 16:39 | |
| VRe | minra: you can't scale on n770.. it does software scaling and that is too heavy | 16:41 |
| minra | bummer.. well the arm cpu is almost fast enough. | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | It can do hardware pixel doubling.. | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | minra: it shouldn't scale anything to 384x19 (unless you set the "original aspect ratio" option) | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | It should also fix the height to 240 or the width to 400 when using the "mplayer" preset. Anything else is a bug. | 16:45 |
| minra | i will look at it when i am sober. maybe it is a bug. maybe i am a bug. | 16:46 |
| *** benzea has joined #maemo | 16:51 | |
| *** lardman|gone is now known as lardman | 16:51 | |
| *** ab has joined #maemo | 16:51 | |
| *** zyxul has joined #maemo | 16:53 | |
| minra | we need more evangelism... more slashdot. more positive amazon.com reviews | 16:54 |
| zyxul | is there any wireless (wifi) api for python that works in the nokia 770? | 16:54 |
| zyxul | I want to be able to do what iwlist scan does (get a list of the available networks) | 16:54 |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 16:56 | |
| minra | dumb question: can python spawn a shell and run iwlist and return the result? | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | Should be able to. | 16:59 |
| nomis | minra: use the commands module. | 16:59 |
| nomis | minra: commands.getoutput ("LC_MESSAGES=C iwlist scan") | 17:00 |
| zyxul | yeah it can but i was trying to avoid it | 17:04 |
| zyxul | because I need to first initialize the interface with ifconfig wlan0 up and that requires gainroot | 17:04 |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 17:07 | |
| Veggen | zyxul: I found it easier to do away with gainroot, and rather control my /etc/sudoers myself. | 17:07 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 17:08 | |
| Veggen | that way, you can add the specific "ifconfig wlan0 up" to /etc/sudoers, and do it with sudo. | 17:08 |
| zyxul | ahh nice | 17:08 |
| zyxul | thx for that | 17:08 |
| nomis | I think that some things can be done via the dbus interface of Maemo, however, that stuff is a bit underdocumented... | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | zyxul: your package can modify /etc/sudoers any way it wants (as long as it tidies up on uninstall) | 17:20 |
| zyxul | nice | 17:27 |
| *** minra has quit IRC | 17:28 | |
| *** wasabi_ has joined #maemo | 17:29 | |
| jtra | interesting, there is a device called doonio gamester, which has prety nice specs and price, it seems to be available only in Czech and Slovak republic, though; google revealed no international sites with that name | 17:29 |
| jtra | http://www.kabelmanie.cz/Doonio-Gamester-2-GB_g1093.html (in czech) | 17:29 |
| jtra | I will fill Competitors entry in ITT | 17:30 |
| *** koen has quit IRC | 17:30 | |
| *** minra_ has joined #maemo | 17:33 | |
| minra_ | xchat crash again | 17:33 |
| Tak | looks more in the gp2x category | 17:35 |
| Tak | odd, it only talks about nes, but then it shows a ss of street fighter 2 | 17:36 |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 17:37 | |
| Tak | and is that really a 960x240 display? | 17:37 |
| Tak | what an odd ratio | 17:37 |
| jtra | the text is about NES emulation | 17:38 |
| minra_ | i found that emulation of FM dsps kills framerates on the 770 | 17:38 |
| minra_ | emulation of machines using only sample playback works fine | 17:38 |
| jtra | the resolution is 960x240 according to article | 17:38 |
| minra_ | talking about the 870? | 17:38 |
| jtra | no | 17:39 |
| Tak | I bet they're using scanlines or something to double the vres to 480 | 17:39 |
| jtra | http://www.kabelmanie.cz/Doonio-Gamester-2-GB_g1093.html | 17:39 |
| nomis | 960x240 sounds like 320x240 with the subpixels counted. | 17:39 |
| jtra | it seems to be available in Czech rep only | 17:39 |
| jtra | some pages say it is made in Korea | 17:39 |
| jtra | nomis: aha, that is possible | 17:40 |
| minra_ | good point | 17:40 |
| Tak | because that screen's not a 4:1 aspect ratio | 17:40 |
| ||cw | it looks 16:9 | 17:40 |
| jtra | but 320x240 makes the device completly uninteresting ;-) | 17:41 |
| ||cw | but 240v is not tipical for widescreen panels | 17:41 |
| jtra | the price is about $300 or EUR 230 | 17:42 |
| minra_ | i just have to say the 770 has replaced my old pentium 2 laptop | 17:42 |
| ||cw | interesting http://www.hitachi-displays.com/en/catalog/dsc/2023351_18539.html | 17:43 |
| minra_ | same performance, less ram | 17:43 |
| *** koen has joined #maemo | 17:43 | |
| ||cw | seems there a lot of panels that claim 960X240 | 17:44 |
| Tak | minra_: LOL - ditto with my k6-2 laptop | 17:45 |
| minra_ | and ALREADY it has all the apps i really need | 17:46 |
| minra_ | just wish more people would buy the 770 | 17:48 |
| minra_ | or another manufacturer would jump on the maemo train | 17:48 |
| *** phil|sleep is now known as philipl | 17:49 | |
| bstock | yeah the 770 is by far the best tablet around, i convinced my boss to buy 4 of them for us in the IT dept | 17:49 |
| bstock | is the 770 the only device maemo is for? | 17:49 |
| Tak | my employer is WAY to cheap to buy 770s for us | 17:49 |
| minra_ | the 770 would be so perfect for custom apps... and if i were an admin again id use it for ssh and vnc to the servers. | 17:50 |
| Tak | hell, they don't even pay me enough | 17:50 |
| Fatal | my boss threw a slab and a chisel at me | 17:50 |
| minra_ | well it is nice to meet ppll who understand something | 17:50 |
| minra_ | lol | 17:51 |
| bstock | yeah we have Razr's for our company phones and have the internet package setup through Verizon, and we can hop online from wherever ;) | 17:51 |
| bstock | that's how i talked my boss into it, no matter where i am i can login to check something out | 17:52 |
| ||cw | bstock: for now, yes. the 770 is the only device officaly supported | 17:53 |
| minra_ | that is what i used my old psion netbook for... similar arm processor, linux, ssh 640x480 res | 17:53 |
| Tak | I wish arm hardware would take off in some other kind of mainstream PC hardware so we could get more software heavily optimized for arm | 17:55 |
| ||cw | if floating point performance was better, it might | 17:55 |
| minra_ | arm is low power... performance costs energy | 17:56 |
| ||cw | spoiled coders and their i386 and newer math coprocessors :D | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | minra_: I'd love a 770 in a netBook's form factor (I suppose the netBook Pro LX was close, if you can get hold of one, but no BT or WLAN built-in) | 17:56 |
| minra_ | exactly. there are some nice x86 subnotebooks but they are expensive and power hungry | 17:58 |
| ||cw | for the size of the netbook, carry a bt keyboard | 17:58 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 17:59 | |
| minra_ | the bt keyboard is even better than the netbook | 17:59 |
| minra_ | i am getting about 5 days off of the 2 AAA batteries | 18:00 |
| ||cw | minra_: I've got a 10 inch compaq where floppy and cd are in a dock that with a 2000mAh battery gets 4-5 hours with pcmcia wifi | 18:00 |
| ||cw | 800Mhz I think, can probably be had for under $500 | 18:01 |
| ||cw | only drawback is it has a damned nub pointer, hate those things | 18:01 |
| ||cw | ibm was the only one that made one right, and even then they aren't that great | 18:02 |
| ||cw | hm, ebay has them under $300 | 18:04 |
| ||cw | including a wifi card | 18:04 |
| minra_ | ||cw what product? | 18:04 |
| ||cw | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&catref=C6&from=R10&satitle=evo+n400c&sacat=51148%26catref%3DC6&a14=-24&a26444=-24&a12=-24&a25710=-24&a26446=-24&a10244=-24&alist=a14%2Ca26092%2Ca26444%2Ca12%2Ca25710%2Ca26446%2Ca10244&pfmode=1&reqtype=1&gcs=1505&pfid=1811&pf_query=evo+n400c&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=63123&saprclo=&saprchi=&sass=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D2&fgtp= | 18:04 |
| ||cw | yikes | 18:04 |
| ||cw | killer URL :D | 18:05 |
| ||cw | evo n400c | 18:05 |
| Whiz | Type that in with 770's virtual keyboard :D | 18:05 |
| ||cw | some with dvd/cd rom, somes with cd/rw | 18:05 |
| Tak | aka http://tinyurl.com/y9p3yh ;-) | 18:06 |
| ||cw | not sure if there's a dvd/cdrw combo available though | 18:06 |
| dpb | or aka http://dy.fi/d10 even shorter.. ;) | 18:06 |
| Whiz | hmm.. I have evo n410c | 18:07 |
| *** snorkelyd has joined #maemo | 18:07 | |
| minra_ | the url seems to have hung opera | 18:08 |
| ||cw | heh | 18:08 |
| ||cw | or just ebay | 18:08 |
| * Tak shakes his fist at dpb | 18:08 | |
| ||cw | i guess it's a 12" screen, dunno why I thought it was 10 | 18:09 |
| minra_ | well i know ibm has some nice stuff. i loved my a21p with 1600x1200 res, but some asshole threw it to the ground. | 18:09 |
| * dpb glares at Tak | 18:09 | |
| dpb | Nice fist. | 18:09 |
| dpb | :-) | 18:09 |
| Tak | thanks | 18:09 |
| *** minra_ has quit IRC | 18:13 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 18:15 | |
| *** konttori_ has quit IRC | 18:17 | |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 18:17 | |
| * Jaffa finds a BT keyboard less useful than a Psion's built-in keyboard | 18:20 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 18:21 | |
| inz | Whiz, that's why (the better) osso-xterm can open urls in browser ;) | 18:21 |
| jtra | is there a terminal that can pass pgup/dn keys, ins, del, alt modificator, ctrl modificator in easy way? | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | Someone modified osso-xterm to make the escape key a meta-key, rather than escape directly. | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | So, for example, esc-up would be PgUp (may not be accurate) | 18:28 |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 18:30 | |
| jtra | esc is usually alt modificator, unless you have the modificator in eigth bit which is m17n incompatible anyway | 18:30 |
| *** xan has joined #maemo | 18:31 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 18:32 | |
| inz | The mod of xterm (for it2005) indeed did use esc for changing the behavior of the hw keys of the device | 18:32 |
| inz | There exists no such mod for IT2006 afaik | 18:32 |
| inz | In current xterms you can do "alt" with esc though, as it's just passed normally | 18:33 |
| inz | Just don't keep it pressed, otherwise you will close your xterm =) | 18:33 |
| * mgedmin got himself a usb power injector | 18:35 | |
| Jaffa | Nokia should *really* sell them. | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | +1 | 18:35 |
| Tak | +1 | 18:36 |
| ||cw | +2 | 18:37 |
| ||cw | :D | 18:37 |
| *** sab has joined #maemo | 18:39 | |
| jtra | I wonder if I could connect 770 to my cdma modem | 18:40 |
| jtra | however I will have to make the cables first | 18:40 |
| jtra | what is the type of usb plug that can be connected to N770? is it mini A or mini B type? they are very similar and easily mismatched | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | 5-pin mini B | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | there are also 4-pin mini B, I've heard | 18:43 |
| jtra | mgedmin: thanks | 18:43 |
| jtra | the modem itself has 1500mAh battery so perhaps it would not need external 5V power | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | the 770 needs external 5V power | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | even in host mode | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | as far as I understand | 18:48 |
| jtra | hmm, bad | 18:48 |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 18:48 | |
| mgedmin | *some* powered USB hubs provide +5V to the upstream port (and violate the USB spec by doing so) | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | but the one I tried in a shop didn't do that | 18:49 |
| Robot101 | any powered hub can do if you solder in a wire | 18:49 |
| jtra | perhaps I can persuade the modem to violate the spec | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | make a modem power the USB chip? that scares me a little :D | 18:50 |
| jtra | but I'm going to tinker much with it, it would be costly to replace | 18:51 |
| *** benzea has quit IRC | 18:53 | |
| *** kender has joined #maemo | 18:55 | |
| kender | hello | 18:55 |
| *** arj has joined #maemo | 18:55 | |
| jtra | this one http://gsmobil.inshop.cz/inshop/scripts/big_picture.asp?img=../pictures/store/cdma_anydata.jpg | 18:55 |
| arj | has anyone changed phones while using your 770? | 18:56 |
| jtra | it has attachable battery to save notebook power | 18:56 |
| arj | I'm having trouble getting it to use my new phone for internet access | 18:56 |
| arj | I have changed the phone in the config panel | 18:57 |
| Jaffa | arj: many times - mainly to temporarily copy pictures off someone's phone, or use their 3G access in a pub. | 18:59 |
| bstock | Are you trying to connect via bluetooth? | 19:00 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: so, did you build the power injector yourself; buy a pre-made one; or is it off-the-shelf unit which happens to work? | 19:00 |
| arj | bstock: yes | 19:00 |
| arj | I think I need to create it as a new connection? | 19:01 |
| bstock | have you used the bluetooth functionality on this phone before | 19:01 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 19:01 | |
| arj | no. I added it as a phone in the config panel and the phone asked me if DUN was ok | 19:01 |
| arj | well I copied some pictures from the phone to my pc so it is working | 19:02 |
| bstock | first you want to make sure the phone and nokia can talk to eachother via bluetooth, then you want to setup DUN on the nokia | 19:02 |
| jtra | btw, I have heard about PDA with special USB connector that will make the device be slave when mini A is attached and USB host when mini B is attached (or the other way around) - that would be cool for 770 successor | 19:02 |
| Tak | indeed | 19:02 |
| arj | where do I setup DUN on the nokia? | 19:02 |
| bstock | isn't there a 770 successor in the works already? i thought i saw some images a few weeks ago | 19:03 |
| jtra | it is | 19:04 |
| jtra | I guess that it will take about half a year to release | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: I bought the parts and a coworker built it for me | 19:05 |
| *** philipl is now known as phil|work | 19:05 | |
| arj | Jaffa: do you use special software to snack the pictures of someones phone? :) | 19:06 |
| *** ssvb has quit IRC | 19:16 | |
| ||cw | depends on the phone | 19:19 |
| bstock | basically all i had to do was go to 'phone' in control panel, setup the phone, then setup a new connection in the connection manager with the ISP's DUN settings | 19:22 |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 19:27 | |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 19:28 | |
| *** benzea has joined #maemo | 19:29 | |
| *** matt_c_ has joined #maemo | 19:29 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 19:47 | |
| *** matt_c_ is now known as matt_c | 19:49 | |
| *** sKaBoy has quit IRC | 19:51 | |
| *** lardman is now known as lardman|gone | 19:55 | |
| *** sp3000 has joined #maemo | 20:00 | |
| *** spect has joined #maemo | 20:07 | |
| *** Eloi has quit IRC | 20:14 | |
| *** obergix[work] has quit IRC | 20:20 | |
| *** myren__ has joined #maemo | 20:21 | |
| Jaffa | arj: heh, no it was with their permission ;-) | 20:23 |
| arj | I mean how did you transfer it? My phone doesn't seem to be willing to send pictures to the nokia 770 | 20:24 |
| *** myren has quit IRC | 20:24 | |
| Jaffa | arj: you have to pull the picture off with the 770's file manager - you can't (easily) send via Bluetooth *to* the 770 | 20:25 |
| arj | ahh I see | 20:26 |
| arj | thanks! | 20:26 |
| *** tigert has joined #maemo | 20:38 | |
| *** myren__ has quit IRC | 20:39 | |
| *** ab has quit IRC | 20:41 | |
| *** myren__ has joined #maemo | 20:42 | |
| *** AD-N770 has quit IRC | 20:42 | |
| *** bilboed has quit IRC | 20:43 | |
| *** Guardian has quit IRC | 20:44 | |
| *** ssvb has joined #maemo | 20:48 | |
| *** skodde has joined #maemo | 20:50 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** tigert__ has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 20:55 | |
| *** myren has joined #maemo | 20:56 | |
| *** tigert has quit IRC | 20:59 | |
| *** tigert has joined #maemo | 20:59 | |
| *** myren__ has quit IRC | 21:12 | |
| tko | *sigh* I need to wake up like 4am tomorrow :-/ | 21:18 |
| kender | apologises | 21:19 |
| Robot101 | loss | 21:20 |
| kender | loss? | 21:20 |
| *** myren_ has joined #maemo | 21:20 | |
| Fatal | floss | 21:20 |
| tko | gross? | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | moss... | 21:25 |
| koen | open sores? | 21:25 |
| *** ab has joined #maemo | 21:30 | |
| *** sbaturzio has joined #maemo | 21:37 | |
| *** myren has quit IRC | 21:39 | |
| *** florian_kc has quit IRC | 21:42 | |
| *** __shawn has quit IRC | 21:52 | |
| mgedmin | hey, if I connect a USB keyboard, it works in xterm, but not in GUI dialogs of other apps | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | do I need to use maemo-gtk-im-switch-or-whatever? | 21:54 |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #maemo | 21:55 | |
| *** myren has joined #maemo | 21:57 | |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 22:08 | |
| *** mgedmin has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| *** disq has quit IRC | 22:12 | |
| *** disq has joined #maemo | 22:12 | |
| *** myren_ has quit IRC | 22:13 | |
| *** jait is now known as duende | 22:29 | |
| *** duende is now known as jait | 22:29 | |
| *** jait has left #maemo | 22:31 | |
| *** qgil has joined #maemo | 22:33 | |
| *** luck has joined #maemo | 22:34 | |
| *** kender has quit IRC | 22:37 | |
| *** benzea has quit IRC | 22:39 | |
| *** Guardian has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| *** jait has joined #maemo | 22:46 | |
| *** benzea has joined #maemo | 22:49 | |
| *** epx has left #maemo | 22:53 | |
| *** __shawn has joined #maemo | 22:55 | |
| *** rev has joined #maemo | 23:09 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 23:14 | |
| VRe | I would love to have some way of entering <alt>-key commands and enter key on the virtual keypad.. | 23:14 |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 23:16 | |
| *** ab has quit IRC | 23:16 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 23:18 | |
| *** _matthias_ has joined #maemo | 23:20 | |
| Tak | ooo, new Dates package | 23:23 |
| *** VRe has quit IRC | 23:32 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 23:35 | |
| *** bjv has joined #maemo | 23:35 | |
| *** snuffels has joined #maemo | 23:35 | |
| snuffels | Hi | 23:36 |
| snuffels | Did anyone test Canola with a UPnP media source? | 23:36 |
| andrunko | i did :) | 23:37 |
| Robot101 | :D | 23:37 |
| snuffels | Canola seems to work really great, but I it seems to have problems with my server. | 23:38 |
| Robot101 | andrunko: what kind of thing can be a UPnP media source in linux? | 23:38 |
| snuffels | I think its not related to the know GStreamer problem | 23:38 |
| andrunko | gmediaserver, ushare, twonky ... | 23:38 |
| andrunko | snuffels: what server are you using? | 23:38 |
| snuffels | afaik my server is based on libupnp v 1.3.1 | 23:38 |
| andrunko | gmediaserver had a bug that we fixed, but it's only on cvs | 23:39 |
| snuffels | I can browse the servers directory structure, but transfering file content fails | 23:39 |
| andrunko | we sent a patch to ushare today | 23:39 |
| andrunko | snuffels: music, video? | 23:39 |
| andrunko | can i download your server, so i can test it? | 23:39 |
| arj | canola is not meant for controlling a media center, only streaming stuff from it, right? | 23:40 |
| andrunko | right | 23:40 |
| snuffels | I tried .mp3 and .jpg both behave the same. (Fails to obtain the actual stream content) | 23:40 |
| *** buck68 has joined #maemo | 23:41 | |
| arj | it's sad there no source so one can hack it to be a controller also ;-) | 23:41 |
| snuffels | It's actually a linux based NAS. | 23:41 |
| andrunko | snuffels: we found a bug today with the server sending an empty content-type | 23:41 |
| andrunko | snuffels: i am going to fix this now in our svn :). next version it will be fixed, maybe this is your problem | 23:41 |
| snuffels | The sourcecode of the NAS firmware is available, but i don't know if this compiles on a PC | 23:41 |
| *** koen has quit IRC | 23:41 | |
| andrunko | arj: you can be sure, i would like to release the code | 23:42 |
| andrunko | but you know | 23:42 |
| andrunko | we have to wait | 23:42 |
| snuffels | It seems that my setup basicly seems to work, because using Nero Home a client works with my server | 23:42 |
| *** bobbyd_ has joined #maemo | 23:42 | |
| andrunko | it depends on how the client browses | 23:42 |
| snuffels | Is there a tcpdump for maemo 2.1? In this case I take a cloder look whats actually going on between canola and my server. | 23:43 |
| andrunko | run tcpdump on your server machine | 23:43 |
| arj | andrunko: will it be released eventually? | 23:43 |
| andrunko | arj: we are not sure yet, but we want to | 23:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | arj: we hope we can release it | 23:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 23:44 |
| snuffels | andruko: The server is also a embedded device (busybox), so there's no way of getting tcpdump to work there | 23:44 |
| arj | cool | 23:44 |
| andrunko | snuffels: this is a closed server? can i try it? | 23:45 |
| *** marceoli has joined #maemo | 23:45 | |
| k-s[WORK] | snuffels: you can use a man-in-the-middle approach | 23:45 |
| arj | I was about to write a remote control thing for my media center (that was why I bought the nokia in the first place) and thought canola would be a start. But I guess I'll have to write it in gtk instead. | 23:45 |
| snuffels | k-s: I would have to change my network setup, or do some ugly arp cache poisoning hacks to trick my switches. | 23:46 |
| k-s[WORK] | snuffels: yep | 23:46 |
| snuffels | andruko: colsed? do you meas reachable from the internet? | 23:46 |
| marceoli | arj: mediastreamer doesn't fit for controlling it? | 23:46 |
| k-s[WORK] | arj: we hope we can release at least some interfaces | 23:46 |
| andrunko | snuffels: no, i mean, can i download it? so i can try it | 23:47 |
| snuffels | andruko: It's currently only rechable from within my lan. | 23:47 |
| bjv | hm, ~/.xmame/cfg/default.cfg looks like gobbledygook | 23:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | arj: so you could write your control even without the source | 23:47 |
| snuffels | andruko: the firmware of the NAS is open. | 23:47 |
| bjv | anyone play with the emus out for the 770? | 23:47 |
| andrunko | snuffels: yeah, i know, i don't mean, access your upnp server, but access your upnp server binary, source, so i can run it on my machine | 23:47 |
| snuffels | andruko: One moment please | 23:47 |
| arj | k-s[WORK]: ok | 23:47 |
| snuffels | http://www.claxan.de/drivers/nas200_v211src.zip | 23:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | arj: some other guys want mplayer support, they could do the same | 23:48 |
| snuffels | This contains all of the NAS firmware including the UPnP server | 23:48 |
| *** VRe has joined #maemo | 23:48 | |
| andrunko | snuffels: hmmm, i see, but there is no way i can test it :S | 23:49 |
| snuffels | k-s: mplayer support in canola? I also would like that very much. | 23:49 |
| arj | marceoli: I want to control it, not stream it. Like a standard remote control. Only shiny :-) | 23:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | arj: :-) | 23:49 |
| andrunko | arj: if we release libcanola, the core library you will be able to do it quite easily | 23:49 |
| marceoli | Ah ok, cause mediastreamer (besides the name) can also control it, just select the device in the combobox above the text | 23:49 |
| Tak | arj: I have a similar thing if you're interested | 23:49 |
| marceoli | if you change from 770 to your upnp server.. it will control it =) | 23:50 |
| *** marceoli is now known as _Handful_ | 23:50 | |
| arj | ah ok I'll have to look into that | 23:50 |
| snuffels | andrunko: Maybe If I could get some packet sniffer to work on the 770 I could analyze it. | 23:51 |
| arj | Tak: what do you mean? | 23:51 |
| disq | about upnp in canola: sometimes it won't see media servers until you quit canola, start mediastreamer, quit, start canola again | 23:51 |
| disq | but i'm going to bed right now and this only happened to me twice now, can't seem to reproduce | 23:51 |
| andrunko | disq: hmmmm????? | 23:51 |
| _Handful_ | disq : sometimes it takes a little bit to the server appears | 23:52 |
| andrunko | it shouldn't happen | 23:52 |
| disq | also please add mplayer support :P | 23:52 |
| _Handful_ | depends on the quality of the network.. | 23:52 |
| _Handful_ | server configuration...etc | 23:52 |
| _Handful_ | lots of things =) | 23:52 |
| disq | i was trying out upnp servers | 23:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | disq: no relation, it should be a random thing... | 23:52 |
| disq | hmmm | 23:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | disq: we use the same library, that's it. | 23:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | disq: there is no way they can step on others toes | 23:53 |
| disq | maybe mediastreamer does something different with the lib, start a service, etc? | 23:53 |
| andrunko | nope | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | disq: some upnp devices take time to announce themselves, or to reply to MSEARCH | 23:53 |
| andrunko | snuffels: you can try to compile tcpdump | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | disq: no | 23:53 |
| snuffels | anyone tried nast, it seems to be based on libpcap, so Ethereal might be able to load its dump? | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | disq: the only thing we do they don't is to filter some servers out | 23:54 |
| disq | maybe. happened twice as i said, but the same servers worked flawlessly before/after. (i stopped and started them, did various reboots in the 770, etc) | 23:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | disq: some of these clauses are wrong, we're fixing it here | 23:54 |
| disq | okay :) thanks again for canola, off to bed now | 23:54 |
| disq | night | 23:54 |
| _Handful_ | bye ! | 23:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | bye | 23:55 |
| andrunko | gn | 23:55 |
| snuffels | andruko: I'll try nast, and see what I can find out. What is the best way of contacting you? Are you on #maemo regularily? | 23:57 |
| andrunko | always | 23:57 |
| andrunko | if i am away, i will reply you later | 23:57 |
| snuffels | andruko: Ok. I'll go and get nast. ;-) | 23:58 |
| andrunko | great | 23:58 |
| *** bjv has left #maemo | 23:58 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
