| pvanhoof | well, they are stupid enough to make this possible, I'd rather say | 00:00 |
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| wasabi | Yes. | 00:00 |
| pvanhoof | by not wanting to know about the implementations | 00:00 |
| wasabi | You've managed to remove Camel from the UI layer completely? | 00:03 |
| pvanhoof | yes | 00:03 |
| pvanhoof | the ui only ever talks the interface | 00:03 |
| pvanhoof | there's absolutely no specific api being called by the ui types | 00:04 |
| pvanhoof | all of their api is in libtinymailui and libtinymail | 00:04 |
| pvanhoof | s/their/the called | 00:04 |
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| wasabi | So, an implementation would consist of a libtinymail using daemon, exporting some API over DBUS (perhaps a 1:1 mapping is "good enough") | 00:05 |
| wasabi | And a few interface implemntation that the existing UI could use to talk to it. | 00:05 |
| pvanhoof | maybe not a 1:1 mapping, I can imagine you want to cache some things like header instances at the other side | 00:05 |
| wasabi | Yeah. | 00:05 |
| pvanhoof | else each string request of each header would result in a dbus call | 00:06 |
| pvanhoof | but that, the proxy can implement itself | 00:06 |
| wasabi | Yeah. | 00:06 |
| pvanhoof | so that can still be done with a 1:1 mapping | 00:06 |
| pvanhoof | the TnyList implementation is going to be the most difficult one | 00:07 |
| wasabi | TnyList is an interface though, right? | 00:07 |
| pvanhoof | that one will have to be intelligent about converting received uid's to TnyHeader proxy implementations and vica versa | 00:07 |
| pvanhoof | yes | 00:08 |
| wasabi | No biggy. Done that with Java/C# for years. | 00:08 |
| pvanhoof | it also looks exactly like the C# IList vs. IEnumerator | 00:08 |
| wasabi | Nice. | 00:08 |
| pvanhoof | or rather, the IEnumeratable and the IEnumerator | 00:08 |
| wasabi | Do you have an TnyEnumerator? :) | 00:08 |
| pvanhoof | TnyList and TnyIterator | 00:08 |
| pvanhoof | no, i called it iterator :) | 00:08 |
| pvanhoof | http://tinymail.org/API/libtinymail-1.0/libtinymail-tny-iterator.html | 00:09 |
| wasabi | Iterable and Iterator? | 00:09 |
| pvanhoof | http://tinymail.org/API/libtinymail-1.0/libtinymail-tny-list.html | 00:09 |
| pvanhoof | no, list and iterator | 00:09 |
| pvanhoof | I feel that I'm going to regret the naming :) | 00:09 |
| pvanhoof | if you can convince djcb that a rename is important, send me the huge patch .. and tested it a lot | 00:09 |
| pvanhoof | I'll accept it :) | 00:09 |
| wasabi | Hmm. In C# we can make interfaces implement other interfaces. | 00:10 |
| wasabi | So TnyList doesn't implement TnyIterable? | 00:10 |
| pvanhoof | but only now, after a 1.0 release .. it's unlikely that I'm going to do such changes | 00:10 |
| pvanhoof | there's no tnyIteratable | 00:10 |
| wasabi | Oh I see | 00:10 |
| wasabi | Heh | 00:10 |
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| pvanhoof | a tnylist is per definition an iteratable | 00:10 |
| pvanhoof | I was not into redoing everything of that pattern into gobject :) | 00:11 |
| wasabi | Sucks that you have to reinvent all this. | 00:11 |
| pvanhoof | but, I would be pro a libcrack that does all this in gobject | 00:11 |
| wasabi | glib or something should have it | 00:11 |
| pvanhoof | yes | 00:11 |
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| pvanhoof | robtaylor, and Robot101 have been discussing this with me (hi guys) | 00:11 |
| pvanhoof | so the story is a bit simplified now | 00:11 |
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| pvanhoof | a TnyList is an iteratable , and a TnyIterator is something the TnyList implementation can create | 00:12 |
| pvanhoof | or rather, HAS to create if i ask it via the interface aPI | 00:12 |
| wasabi | But there is no generic "iterable" interface. | 00:12 |
| pvanhoof | nop | 00:12 |
| wasabi | ie "we don't know the length" | 00:12 |
| pvanhoof | nop, you always know the length of every list | 00:12 |
| pvanhoof | I simply haven't yet needed it | 00:12 |
| pvanhoof | and it's indeed a: "only if I need it, I add such types" style of API | 00:13 |
| pvanhoof | people are already thinking that I'm a buzzword design pattern whore | 00:13 |
| pvanhoof | :) | 00:13 |
| pvanhoof | so I'm trying to stick to only things and types that are really needed | 00:13 |
| pvanhoof | the TnyStream, TnyList and TnyIterator ones being the overhead | 00:14 |
| wasabi | Hmm. Might be interesting to add this stuff to gobject, but in a separate gcollections library. | 00:14 |
| wasabi | Instead of trying to push it up. | 00:14 |
| pvanhoof | all the ohter ones directly have something to do with E-mail | 00:14 |
| pvanhoof | indeed | 00:14 |
| pvanhoof | but it's not something that I can wait for :) | 00:14 |
| wasabi | Obvioulsy there are many other collection types which would benefit from being widely used. | 00:14 |
| wasabi | Yeah | 00:14 |
| pvanhoof | A GStream might happen with the new GnomeVFS stuff | 00:15 |
| wasabi | Yeah. Well... I hope it finds it's way into some base library, and not gnomevfs itself. ;) | 00:15 |
| pvanhoof | that, I fear | 00:15 |
| pvanhoof | it's still typical C developers, most of the gtk+ dudes | 00:16 |
| pvanhoof | I did manage to explain quite a lot Java and .NET crap .. I noticed at guadec, to at least some guys | 00:16 |
| pvanhoof | some where and some where totally not interested | 00:16 |
| pvanhoof | some were even anti | 00:16 |
| pvanhoof | s/where/were | 00:16 |
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| pvanhoof | the usual situation :) | 00:17 |
| pvanhoof | however, I have a target .. which is tinymail. I can't unfocus. I would love to implement a gcollection or a libcrack | 00:17 |
| pvanhoof | todo.add :) | 00:17 |
| pvanhoof | the problem is also that there would be soooo many whiners being against this | 00:18 |
| * pvanhoof had that with his d-conf/deconf ideas | 00:18 | |
| pvanhoof | enough is enough :) | 00:18 |
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| wasabi | As is wont to happen. | 00:25 |
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| winkle | can you get a nfs-server to advertice uPnP? | 06:52 |
| winkle | Alternative, what's a good media server for use with conola? | 06:52 |
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| mat | I just use rhythmbox on my desktop, since it can use DAAP for sharing, which canola supports well | 07:07 |
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| winkle | yeah, I'm looking for something on the server-side though | 07:12 |
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| mat | well, there is daapd, but I'm not sure it's still maintained | 07:26 |
| mat | on the upnp side, there is ushare and a few other | 07:26 |
| mat | s | 07:26 |
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| ferenc | morning | 09:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
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| myren | TADA | 11:13 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:14 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 12:15 |
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| rca | one of our students just copied the developer rootfs for scirocco to his 770, but apt 404's using the built-in sources.list. i took a peek at the servers in the sources.list by hand, and _something_ is there at least | 12:47 |
| rca | is the default sources.list wrong? | 12:47 |
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| timeless | rca: what did you have for sources? | 13:59 |
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| rca | timeless: i will have to wait for him to get back to check | 14:07 |
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| rca | timeless: what do the correct sources look like? | 14:07 |
| timeless | i have no idea :), although i could guess repository.maemo.org/.... | 14:08 |
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| rca | i think they were deb http://repository.maemo.org/ scirocco free non-free | 14:08 |
| rca | oooh. okay :) | 14:08 |
| timeless | why did you think that was wrong? | 14:08 |
| * timeless pokes sp3000 | 14:08 | |
| timeless | be my dictionary ;-) | 14:08 |
| sp3000 | heh | 14:08 |
| timeless | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/scirocco/ | 14:08 |
| rca | because apt-get says 404 :) | 14:09 |
| timeless | free and non-free both exist | 14:09 |
| rca | yeah, that's what i thought | 14:09 |
| rca | odd! bug in default dev rootfs? | 14:09 |
| * timeless has a script that could try to collect everything from scirocco | 14:10 | |
| timeless | did you have a network? :) | 14:10 |
| czr | anyone knows whether the mmc on 770 is accessed using the SPI-mode in mmc-driver? | 14:10 |
| timeless | apt is unlikely to ask for one | 14:10 |
| czr | at least it seems so. it's very slow. | 14:10 |
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| rca | yeah, network was alive and well, i could ping google | 14:14 |
| rca | i'll ask the student to hook the thing up again so i can ssh in | 14:14 |
| rca | ah yes, i ssh'd in! of course it had net :) | 14:14 |
| timeless | also note that if you're using a proxy, apt isn't likely to get that either :) | 14:17 |
| rca | no proxy, just a transparent cache | 14:18 |
| rca | but other apt-based things (ubuntu, debian installations) in the same network had no problems | 14:19 |
| rca | maybe student didn't RTFM though, i didn't ask. he just said he couldn't install anything and apt-get's 404's were what i thought seemed suspicious :) | 14:19 |
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| rca | ah, it is a maemo problem | 14:32 |
| rca | " Unfortunately the post-removal scripts are so incompetently written that, as soon as you use "apt-get" or "dpkg" for anything, they automatically and completely erase the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file but leave themselves installed." | 14:33 |
| rca | see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/12322 | 14:33 |
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| jtra | ah, classic error - grep foo bar.txt > bar.txt which truncates the file | 14:48 |
| timeless | should have used a temporary :) | 14:48 |
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| rca | well, apt-get works now | 14:59 |
| rca | dist-upgrade wanted to remove half the system though | 14:59 |
| rca | so i'm guessing that's not the way to upgrade maemo :) | 14:59 |
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| * timeless chuckles | 15:12 | |
| timeless | but it has cute art | 15:12 |
| timeless | oops | 15:12 |
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| inz | Has anyone requested the sources for (L)GPL based products on 770 from Nokia? | 15:41 |
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| robtaylor | inz: they should all be up as apt-gettable sources in the maemo repo | 16:07 |
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| inz | robtaylor, but they aren't all | 16:07 |
| robtaylor | inz: what's missing? | 16:07 |
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| inz | robtaylor, I suppose that some of the applications are based on open source applications | 16:09 |
| inz | # grep Xpdf /usr/bin/osso_pdfviewer.launch | 16:10 |
| inz | -- Xpdf no longer supports X fonts | 16:10 |
| inz | -- the config file format has changed since Xpdf 0.9x | 16:10 |
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| inz | And they have the blurb in device control panel applet, that you can request the sources on a CD | 16:12 |
| keesj | btw what pixel depth can I expect from the n770? | 16:13 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: 16 bit IIRC | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | inz: Similarly parts of osso-email are based on Sylpheed | 16:16 |
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| robtaylor | inz: interesting. best ask one of the nokia bods about it | 16:19 |
| robtaylor | (tigert is a nokia community guy, iirc) | 16:21 |
| inz | Well, if they don't provide the sources via apt/ftp/http, they must do it by mailed request | 16:23 |
| inz | And redistributing these sources should be legal under the gpl | 16:23 |
| robtaylor | yep | 16:23 |
| inz | I was just wondering, if anyone has done it, and put the sources available. ;) | 16:23 |
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| robtaylor | speaking of tigert :) | 16:23 |
| robtaylor | tigert: inz reckons that osso-pdf-viewer is based of GPL code, and wants to know if theres a plcae he can get the code without mailing nokia | 16:24 |
| inz | I guess Nokia has chosen to not distribute it | 16:25 |
| inz | (or I know) | 16:25 |
| inz | That's why I'm asking the community =) | 16:28 |
| robtaylor | inz: doesnt look like anyone has yet.. | 16:30 |
| robtaylor | inz: i guess you should write for the source cd and put it up somewhere | 16:30 |
| inz | Or just wish someone else does it first ;) | 16:31 |
| * Jaffa grins | 16:31 | |
| robtaylor | well, if everyone waits for someone else to do it, it'll never happen .. | 16:31 |
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| timeless | the sources for 2006 are on the web server | 16:32 |
| robtaylor | inz: at least its just a local mail for you ;) | 16:32 |
| robtaylor | timeless: not the apps,it seems | 16:33 |
| robtaylor | just the platform | 16:33 |
| timeless | what do you mean? | 16:33 |
| timeless | it's 151mb or 203mb | 16:33 |
| timeless | that's not just the platform | 16:33 |
| timeless | osso-calculator-engine 1.2.22-1 | 16:34 |
| timeless | that's not part of the platform | 16:34 |
| robtaylor | timeless: where are you looking? | 16:34 |
| timeless | at least, not for any definition i can imagine | 16:34 |
| timeless | maemo.org/downloads/IT_source.php | 16:34 |
| timeless | where are you looking ;-b | 16:34 |
| timeless | please don't ask me why they think it's remotely useful to ask for a device number | 16:35 |
| timeless | but keep in mind that if you start redistributing binaries, you're obligated for a couple of years to have the sources :) | 16:35 |
| robtaylor | timeless: ah, i never seen that before :) | 16:35 |
| timeless | and that doesn't excuse your hard drive being destroyed | 16:35 |
| timeless | robtaylor: i figured ;-) | 16:36 |
| timeless | please don't ask me why there's no obvious link to anything on any maemo or nokia site | 16:36 |
| timeless | i couldn't answer that | 16:36 |
| timeless | i'm not even sure jesus could | 16:36 |
| robtaylor | heh | 16:36 |
| * timeless waits for someone to misinterprate that | 16:37 | |
| timeless | err misinterpret | 16:37 |
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| timeless | i think the right person to ask would be ferenc wrt maemo, not jesus, in case someone did want to be a pest | 16:38 |
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| robtaylor | inz: so, there you go :) | 16:39 |
| robtaylor | inz: osso-pdf-viewer 1.2.24-0 is in http://maemo.org/downloads/IT_source.php?f=2.2006.35-3-srcs.tar.gz | 16:41 |
| timeless | does that url actually work? | 16:42 |
| * timeless highly doubtfs it | 16:42 | |
| timeless | mount /Users/timeless/mind -t doubtfs | 16:42 |
| robtaylor | umm, probably not, but he'll getthe idea ;) | 16:42 |
| inz | Anyone care to dl and put the sources available?-) | 16:43 |
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| inz | In a non-obfuscated place | 16:44 |
| inz | Preferably in smaller parts | 16:46 |
| robtaylor | inz: its only accessible if you own a 770 | 16:46 |
| robtaylor | inz: its not obfuscated at all | 16:46 |
| timeless | inz: how many of us have enough bandwidth to handle it? | 16:47 |
| * robtaylor certainly doesnt | 16:47 | |
| timeless | it'd be a bit inappropriate for me to use the servers i have for it | 16:47 |
| timeless | all things considered, there's really nothing to be gained | 16:47 |
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| robtaylor | inz: and tbh, you really dont want most of the application code - its horrible | 16:49 |
| timeless | s/most/any/ | 16:50 |
| timeless | s/its/it's/ | 16:50 |
| timeless | erm | 16:50 |
| timeless | no its | 16:50 |
| * timeless cries | 16:50 | |
| timeless | oh, wait | 16:50 |
| timeless | yes, s/its/it's/ | 16:50 |
| GreySim | On Opened Hand's blog, they say "As mentioned in the press release, internally we are working on calendar and syncing apps for Maemo also using EDS." Would that be Evolution (Gnome Desktop) <--> Nokia 770 syncing, does anyone know? And does anyone know if it's anywhere near done? | 16:50 |
| timeless | but that's a classic example of how the code would read :) | 16:51 |
| timeless | first i've heard of it :) | 16:51 |
| robtaylor | timeless: yeah, it's/its always confuses me, i can never remeber the rule ;) | 16:51 |
| * GreySim really would like a portable device that could sync with Gnome's calendar/clock applet, since you can't seem to do it with Palms without a lot of hassle. | 16:51 | |
| timeless | it's is a contraction for it is | 16:51 |
| timeless | its is possessive | 16:52 |
| robtaylor | GreySim: you could probably build opensync for it and it should work quite well, as everything's in edds | 16:52 |
| timeless | it's ok, | 16:52 |
| robtaylor | eds | 16:52 |
| robtaylor | its mine | 16:52 |
| robtaylor | ;) | 16:52 |
| timeless | but what would you sync to? | 16:52 |
| timeless | the 770 doesn't have a calendar last i checked | 16:52 |
| timeless | unless you count osso_alarm | 16:52 |
| timeless | which i don't | 16:52 |
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| GreySim | timeless: Opened Hand makes two programs that I know of: Dates and Calendar. | 16:53 |
| GreySim | Both based on EDS. | 16:53 |
| robtaylor | GreySim: yep, Calender talks to eds and you can get it hildonized | 16:53 |
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| timeless | well, i'd rather use gcal | 16:53 |
| GreySim | Thanks robtaylor. | 16:53 |
| timeless | i just need to bug a certain google dev until he makes that work :) | 16:53 |
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| * GreySim is trying to build an argument for his company to buy him a 770, and this might help. :P | 16:54 | |
| * timeless chuckles | 16:54 | |
| timeless | well, it's good to see third parties building components that are missing for the platform | 16:55 |
| GreySim | Err, not Dates and Calendar. Dates and Contacts. | 16:55 |
| GreySim | IIRC. | 16:55 |
| * koen hands GreySim http://projects.o-hand.com/ | 16:57 | |
| GreySim | Thanks. | 16:58 |
| robtaylor | GreySim: nng, yes s/Calender/Dates/ ;) | 17:00 |
| GreySim | I blame the time. I'm used to going to bed around 7am, not waking up around it. :P | 17:01 |
| Tak | it would be fantastic if Dates actually showed the month view for December | 17:02 |
| Tak | although I guess in 27 more days I won't have to worry about it | 17:02 |
| robtaylor | Tak: latest svn? | 17:03 |
| * koen looks at http://linuxtogo.org/~koen/maemo/ | 17:03 | |
| * robtaylor notes that koen is a dude | 17:03 | |
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| Tak | for some reason, if I build a package from latest svn, it segfaults on the device | 17:04 |
| robtaylor | niiice | 17:04 |
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| kender | hello | 19:13 |
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| tko | sardine is going to eat plankton for dinner, eh? =) | 19:32 |
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| MDK | tko: hmmm? | 19:56 |
| MDK | something strange happened to plankton | 19:56 |
| MDK | theoretically it has been built but practically it's not where it should be | 19:57 |
| kender | somebody has try, to use the nokia 770 touch screen as a "mouse" for the computer? | 19:58 |
| kender | I mean, using the usb or the blutooth, send the position of the "pen" into the screen, and use it as a mouse in the pc | 19:59 |
| koen | kender: google 'inputpipe' | 19:59 |
| MDK | I think it needs a little "poking" to force a rebuild | 19:59 |
| kender | koen, sounds good | 20:00 |
| kender | koen, have you tried= | 20:00 |
| kender | ? | 20:00 |
| koen | kender: nope, I keep meaning to try it | 20:01 |
| Tak | ooo, a bluetooth input tablet | 20:01 |
| Tak | very cool | 20:01 |
| kender | yeah | 20:01 |
| kender | :D | 20:01 |
| kender | and...I think it is posible... | 20:02 |
| kender | koen, :D | 20:02 |
| kender | koen, if you do something, tell us | 20:02 |
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| tko | http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/intelligentdesignsort.html ha ha | 20:22 |
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| Tak | times out for me | 20:24 |
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| |tbb| | b | 20:48 |
| shapr | d | 20:50 |
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| tko | how did you get that inverted b? | 20:54 |
| Tak | p | 20:55 |
| |tbb| | hehe | 20:58 |
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| |tbb| | anyone using gaja sw | 21:06 |
| jtra | ok, so my nokia 770 has arrived | 21:06 |
| |tbb| | congrats | 21:06 |
| jtra | ah, thanks :-) | 21:07 |
| jtra | the package seems complete, it is made in germany | 21:08 |
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| |tbb| | grmpfl after i have changed my hostname and trying to start sudo gainroot i get following error: sudo unable to lookup machinname via gethostbyname, any idea whats wrong? | 21:15 |
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| jtra | hmm, stylus does not feel right, it is to flat | 21:18 |
| jtra | resolution is gorgeous | 21:19 |
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| ||cw | jtra: you get used to the stylus | 21:38 |
| jtra | I'm used to the one from Palm T3 | 21:40 |
| Tak | I like the stylis | 21:42 |
| Tak | what I do not like, apparently, is to spell stylus correctly | 21:42 |
| jtra | can I chage repeat rate of arrow pad? it is too fast | 21:47 |
| tko | jtra, there's xset call in /etc but I can't recall whether it was on/off or setting the rate | 21:49 |
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| jtra | the device is very confused by my wifi lacking dhcp, it rebooted twice, each time when some network activity was attempted | 22:16 |
| jtra | is there a way to setup connection ip, gateway and so on without having xterm? | 22:17 |
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| jtra | ok, I found the IP settings | 22:25 |
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| |tbb| | how can i setup the repository addresses via cmd | 23:24 |
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| Tak | edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 23:30 |
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| |tbb| | my application manager wont load anymor | 23:31 |
| Tak | suckage | 23:32 |
| |tbb| | ? | 23:32 |
| Tak | sorry | 23:32 |
| Tak | that's too bad | 23:32 |
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| |tbb| | i think i have to reflash my unit | 23:38 |
| Tak | fixing your sources.list didn't help? | 23:40 |
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| |tbb| | nope that doesnt help | 23:47 |
| |tbb| | wb florian | 23:47 |
| |tbb| | the next curios thing is, on the wlandetector always appears an ap which isnt there anymore | 23:49 |
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