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| |tbb| | hi all | 01:10 |
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| florian | hi | 01:11 |
| |tbb| | florian: bist du deutscher? | 01:11 |
| |tbb| | some developers around? | 01:14 |
| * florian looks around... no, i'm not going to blame someone ;-) | 01:23 | |
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| tbb | anyone got the navigation package for the n770? | 01:57 |
| florian | tbb: i don't think it is shipped yet | 01:59 |
| tbb | you can order it now! | 02:00 |
| tbb | nokia.de/de/zubehoer/zubehoerteile/nokia_770_navigation_kit/fragen_und_antworten/displayedItemId=237976/237964.html | 02:00 |
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| florian | oh cool | 02:02 |
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| Wiredless | Hello | 07:15 |
| Wiredless | anyone testing canola? | 07:15 |
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| Wiredless | hello tigert | 07:36 |
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| tigert | morng | 10:45 |
| timeless | yes | 10:46 |
| tigert | hmm. I have no time nor wires. bad situation :) | 10:47 |
| timeless | ? | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
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| tigert | hmm | 10:56 |
| tigert | http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/CircularMenus | 10:56 |
| tigert | interesting idea | 10:56 |
| tigert | http://lize.32rwr.info/divers/chromadesk.ogg | 10:57 |
| spaetz | all, I get is error messages when I click the order online link | 10:57 |
| spaetz | from the Nokia navigation kit website | 10:57 |
| tigert | spaetz: looks like the webdesign is not optimal, to say it nicely | 10:58 |
| spaetz | mmh, might just be that I am not fond of Flash websites | 10:59 |
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| suihkulokki | rkaway3: something like: http://www.radialthinking.de/radialcontext/screenshots.html | 10:59 |
| suihkulokki | s/rkaway3/tigert/ | 11:00 |
| tigert | spaetz: the flash doesnt even work on the 770.... | 11:01 |
| koen | heh, I misread the 'marking menus' as 'marketing menus' | 11:01 |
| tigert | koen: haha | 11:01 |
| tigert | :) | 11:01 |
| tigert | spaetz: http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=navkit&add=true | 11:01 |
| tigert | is where it takes me | 11:01 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:04 |
| tigert | morn | 11:06 |
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| dashiad | Do anybody think the Application Catalog page in Maemo.org has become too huge, even more when it's usual to browse it with the 770? | 11:27 |
| Jaffa | Yes, it's being fixed with the move to Midgard for maemo.org | 11:30 |
| dashiad | :-P Good to know.. | 11:31 |
| tigert | someone could add the .install files as attachments to the current wiki so it'd be easier to add the repositories :) | 11:40 |
| tigert | (just for repos, I think that can be done too) | 11:40 |
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| spaetz | tigert: right that link takes you to the choice of your country, right? | 11:58 |
| spaetz | When clicking Germany or Switzerland and get here: http://direct.nokia.com/Error.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/countries.aspx | 11:58 |
| spaetz | which seems empty | 11:58 |
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| dape | hey | 12:00 |
| dape | anybody knows how the lifeguard_resets log works? | 12:00 |
| dape | I'm getting a sw reset on trying the sardine :S | 12:01 |
| koen | just disable the reset :) | 12:03 |
| dape | uhm | 12:03 |
| dape | how can I do that? | 12:03 |
| koen | with the flasher tool | 12:03 |
| dape | oh ok | 12:05 |
| dape | I see | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | tigert: having read some of the probems people have had in the ITT forums, one issue (even with .install files) is that some apps depend on other packages in a different repo (and I don't think .install can specify multiple repos, can it?) | 12:05 |
| timeless | ? | 12:05 |
| * timeless wonders if /var/lib/dsme/stats is public | 12:06 | |
| timeless | heh, /etc/no_lg_reboots | 12:06 |
| tigert | Jaffa: yea, we noticed that too | 12:08 |
| tigert | maemo mapper for example | 12:08 |
| tigert | marius is planning to add that | 12:08 |
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| * timeless needs to bug the mameo mapper dev | 12:09 | |
| timeless | who is it? | 12:10 |
| koen | the garage should list all devs | 12:10 |
| timeless | specifically, not having a paired GPS device makes the select hardware key really distressing | 12:10 |
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| timeless | being sent to the center of the earth is really useless | 12:10 |
| timeless | it's usually pitch black, and if you're lucky, it's solid blue | 12:10 |
| timeless | not very comforting | 12:10 |
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| tigert | lunch & | 12:11 |
| * timeless considers trying to find tigert@lunch | 12:11 | |
| tigert | timeless: join us | 12:11 |
| timeless | where? | 12:11 |
| tigert | lets meet at the elevators now. | 12:11 |
| timeless | elevators, hrm | 12:11 |
| timeless | by main entrance? | 12:11 |
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| * timeless hopes | 12:12 | |
| florian_kc | good morning | 12:12 |
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| dape | ok, now I would like to get a way to connect to the device without having to run a network aware app | 12:16 |
| dape | is there any way to force the device to connect at start? | 12:16 |
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| _follower_ | as a result of a chat on here the other day I started a glossary for maemo/770 code names like retu and tavho: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/CodeNames feel free to fix mistakes :-) | 12:54 |
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| tigert | heh | 12:55 |
| _follower_ | tigert: you laugh everytime you see those, don't you? :-) | 12:56 |
| tigert | yes :) | 12:57 |
| tigert | its like searching "bollocks" from google code search | 12:57 |
| Veggen | Unreadable (to most) names, but with a meaning, | 12:57 |
| Veggen | *are* fun. | 12:57 |
| Veggen | we give all our machines japanese names. Can basically call the machines anything. Let's hope we never get any japanese people here ;-) | 12:58 |
| tigert | yea | 12:58 |
| tigert | Veggen: its like at a clothing store, | 12:59 |
| tigert | if you see a shirt with some chinese/japanese characters for nice touch in style, | 12:59 |
| tigert | you never know what it reads | 12:59 |
| tigert | the chinese restaurant nearby has this full wall of characters for decoration | 13:00 |
| tigert | I once asked one chinese person eating there what it means, I suspected it was just something funny | 13:00 |
| tigert | but it was actually an ancient poem about the yellow river | 13:00 |
| _follower_ | tigert: which reminds me, is your nick pronounced tig-et or tiger-tea or something completely different? | 13:02 |
| timeless | heh | 13:04 |
| timeless | tig-et is a typo ;-) | 13:04 |
| timeless | tI gert? | 13:04 |
| tigert | it's written "tigert" | 13:07 |
| tigert | my friends pronounce it "tuomas" :) | 13:07 |
| timeless | yeah, which is really helpful and distinctive | 13:07 |
| timeless | and has no name collisions | 13:07 |
| tigert | which is my name | 13:07 |
| timeless | especially none in earshot | 13:07 |
| tigert | as irc nicks are irc nicks | 13:07 |
| * timeless grumbles | 13:08 | |
| suihkulokki | they are? | 13:08 |
| * timeless frequently is quite heavy on the sarcasm | 13:08 | |
| _follower_ | i see... :-) | 13:09 |
| timeless | my friends call me timeless, it's much safer, many fewer name collisions | 13:09 |
| timeless | some people who might be called coworkers seem to think that addressing me by my last name as if it were a first name is a useful idea | 13:10 |
| * timeless grumbles | 13:10 | |
| * timeless grumbles a lot too | 13:10 | |
| inz | i probaby won't react, if someone uses m | 13:12 |
| inz | y irc nick irl | 13:12 |
| timeless | your name doesn't seem to me like it has many name collisions | 13:13 |
| timeless | imagine having 4 other names all of which collide | 13:13 |
| timeless | tumoas being number one | 13:13 |
| timeless | i haven't figured out what are good colliding last names among finns | 13:13 |
| timeless | given that there are 5million of you total, it's almost pointless | 13:13 |
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| inz | I know one other "Santtu" | 13:14 |
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| inz | and two by nickname | 13:14 |
| timeless | when i was young, there would be two other people in my class of 24 sharing my first name (3 people responding to the same name) | 13:15 |
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| timeless | imagine that half the class is of the other gender | 13:15 |
| |tbb| | hi all, anyone knows how to resize the news reader applet on the home screen | 13:15 |
| timeless | looks like youll need to hack some settings | 13:16 |
| timeless | since the ui in the 770 doesn't let you | 13:16 |
| timeless | (tested os2006.1) | 13:16 |
| tigert | timeless: the "calling by your last name" is a finnish thing | 13:16 |
| timeless | tigert: figures | 13:17 |
| timeless | where do i stick a sign saying "i'm not a finn, don't do that" | 13:17 |
| timeless | which reminds me, i think my real name says "i'm away" | 13:17 |
| timeless | hrm, no, it looks like someone broke it again | 13:17 |
| tigert | timeless: tolerance, tolerance.. and patience helps :-) | 13:17 |
| timeless | can i change my name to just my first name (as i respond to it) | 13:18 |
| timeless | ok, now it just says {short-first} | 13:18 |
| inz | timeless, try iceland | 13:18 |
| tigert | that works with koreans | 13:18 |
| tigert | they're all Kim | 13:18 |
| timeless | first or last? | 13:18 |
| tigert | last | 13:18 |
| tigert | but you think its first | 13:18 |
| inz | both | 13:19 |
| tigert | then you realize you're been calling a pretty girl "Mr. Kim" over email | 13:19 |
| inz | Kim Kim | 13:19 |
| tigert | :) | 13:19 |
| timeless | so if we hired more koreans would they learn not to call people by first name? | 13:19 |
| timeless | s/first/last/ | 13:19 |
| * timeless sighs | 13:19 | |
| timeless | negations are hard | 13:19 |
| * timeless clones a bug | 13:21 | |
| * timeless pokes tigert to respond to a pong | 13:21 | |
| tigert | :) | 13:22 |
| koen | hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-upnp.c | 13:23 |
| koen | interesting | 13:23 |
| timeless | koen: is that a public url? | 13:23 |
| koen | the svn commit messages are working again | 13:23 |
| koen | so I guess it must be public :) | 13:24 |
| timeless | hrm, strange | 13:24 |
| tigert | sardine, it's alive! :) | 13:24 |
| * timeless tries to remember which svn server is public | 13:24 | |
| timeless | if it has a maemo.org image at the top, does that make it public? | 13:25 |
| dape | :S it seems I've got a broken sardine | 13:25 |
| dape | matchbox dies always with a pango error | 13:25 |
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| koen | dape: last I checked sardine *is* broken | 13:25 |
| dape | I've sent a mail explaining the issue to maemo-developers | 13:26 |
| timeless | why isn't hildon on the CodeNames wiki page? | 13:26 |
| * timeless wants to know what hildon is :) | 13:26 | |
| koen | hildon was botled water, right? | 13:26 |
| tigert | timeless: if "stage" means public, I wouldnt trust my instincts on assumptions like that :) | 13:26 |
| _follower_ | because it has nothing 2 do with cartoons :-) | 13:26 |
| timeless | tigert: i could try the url from the outside i suppose | 13:26 |
| tigert | theres a bottle of "hildon" next to my desk | 13:26 |
| tigert | timeless: thats where maemo.org links for "you can browse the sources here" | 13:27 |
| mgedmin | I always thought it was the hotel :) | 13:27 |
| timeless | yeah, https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-fm/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-upnp.c | 13:27 |
| timeless | is reachable via a normal web browser | 13:27 |
| timeless | it must be public | 13:27 |
| * timeless loves having mxr working | 13:27 | |
| timeless | tigert, http://swift/release/find?string=hild.*upnp | 13:27 |
| timeless | from there, switch to /world/ and try the search again | 13:27 |
| timeless | then follow the link to svn log | 13:27 |
| |tbb| | <timeless> looks like youll need to hack some settings, where to do this | 13:28 |
| timeless | no clue | 13:28 |
| timeless | the only home i use is clock | 13:28 |
| timeless | imo the others are all worthless | 13:28 |
| timeless | but i'm an end user | 13:28 |
| |tbb| | i like the iphome applet | 13:28 |
| timeless | please don't take my opinions as representing anyone | 13:28 |
| tigert | hehe | 13:28 |
| timeless | they don't necessarily represent my own either :) | 13:28 |
| tigert | thats an awesome quote | 13:29 |
| tigert | "my opinions don't represent anyone" :) | 13:29 |
| timeless | oh well, i can live w/ it :) | 13:29 |
| timeless | it's buggy in language: English, but oh well | 13:29 |
| timeless | at least it doesn't have any spelling errors | 13:29 |
| tigert | yea | 13:29 |
| |tbb| | timeless for what do u mostly use your n770 | 13:29 |
| suihkulokki | afair hildon is the orginal it2005 ui style | 13:30 |
| timeless | browsing, ssh, demoing maemo maps | 13:30 |
| timeless | demoing the video player | 13:30 |
| * timeless ponders | 13:30 | |
| koen | did the dude that made a hildonless maemo-mapper post his patch? | 13:30 |
| timeless | crazy parking | 13:30 |
| koen | or is it another case of "annoying script kiddy breaking the GPL"? | 13:30 |
| timeless | mostly browsing (bugzilla, news.google, mail.gooogle, ...) | 13:30 |
| suihkulokki | and to implement it, hildon ui toolkit was created | 13:31 |
| timeless | s/breaking/violating/ | 13:31 |
| |tbb| | do u use mplayer for watching google vidz | 13:31 |
| timeless | i use the video player that ships w/ the 770 | 13:31 |
| timeless | and i play the video file that ships w/ the 770 | 13:31 |
| timeless | well, 2006.1 ayway | 13:31 |
| timeless | someone please say the video i'm playing is really in 2006.1, please :) | 13:32 |
| timeless | oh, slashdot :) | 13:32 |
| timeless | you won't see me visiting slashdot | 13:32 |
| timeless | and i don't usually use maps.google from my device, i'll use ssh+screen+links if i want directions from maps.google | 13:33 |
| timeless | and for pictures, i'll use maemo mapper because it can cache for offline | 13:33 |
| timeless | hrm, this is kinda cool | 13:39 |
| |tbb| | is this channel for developers | 13:39 |
| timeless | yes | 13:40 |
| timeless | although i suppose the topic disagrees | 13:40 |
| |tbb| | so i think anyone should know about how to resize applets for the home view | 13:40 |
| * timeless thinks that's a non sequitor | 13:42 | |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: at the moment, I think an applet hardcodes its own size | 13:46 |
| * timeless wonders if there's a maemo.org sdk describing home applets | 13:48 | |
| timeless | guess not | 13:49 |
| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ Debian APT? does it usually not include its OS in its useragent? | 13:50 |
| |tbb| | thx, jaffa thats what i was thinking before. normally the home screen can put much more information on it if you could manage the size by your own | 13:51 |
| timeless | hopefully some people at nokia will figure that out | 13:52 |
| * timeless shrugs | 13:52 | |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: indeed | 13:54 |
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| mgedmin | timeless: http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/maemo-plugin-tutorial.html | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | well, http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/maemo-plugin-tutorial.html#home-plugins to be more specific | 14:18 |
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| mgedmin | afaiu the size is up to the applet and cannot enforced externally | 14:19 |
| onion_ | koen: yep, I did release the patch.. ages ago | 14:23 |
| koen | onion_: great! | 14:23 |
| koen | onion_: do you have a link? | 14:24 |
| onion_ | koen: home.tal.org/~milang/n770/ | 14:24 |
| onion_ | koen: the latest patch is not yet perfect, too much realwork to do | 14:26 |
| onion_ | but it runs | 14:26 |
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| timeless | mgedmin: i believe i read that on a plain flight two weeks ago and wrote annotations all over it | 14:41 |
| timeless | erm plane | 14:41 |
| * timeless sighs | 14:41 | |
| mgedmin | * timeless wonders if there's a maemo.org sdk describing home applets | 14:41 |
| mgedmin | <timeless> guess not | 14:41 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 14:41 | |
| timeless | google didn't find it because i searched for SDK instead of HOWTO | 14:42 |
| * mgedmin is smarter than google :) | 14:42 | |
| * timeless isn't | 14:42 | |
| timeless | if google can't find it, it isn't there | 14:42 |
| _follower_ | bad google, no cookie for you! | 14:42 |
| timeless | anyone who believes otherwise is delluded | 14:42 |
| timeless | but thanks | 14:43 |
| timeless | oh darn | 14:43 |
| timeless | i missed a bug | 14:43 |
| timeless | has anyone here ever used a 'con' file? | 14:44 |
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| waite | Hmm I guess the 770 is pretty poor at AJAX apps. :( pandora.com doe snot laod | 16:11 |
| timeless | opera8 isn't exactly modern. if you have lots of swap you're free to use minimo, i saw a port of it | 16:11 |
| timeless | (i'm not recommending it, i've tried it and it really isn't something i can stand to use more than showing that it exists) | 16:12 |
| suihkulokki | waite: pandora is a *flash* site | 16:12 |
| waite | I thought it was AJAX. Now I understand. Argh we need better FLASH suppt | 16:13 |
| timeless | oh, but if it's flash, that's a totally different old kettle of similar but different fish | 16:13 |
| timeless | same general problem, the flash plugin that ships isn't new | 16:13 |
| timeless | i spoke w/ the adobe people last week and they explained that adobe/macromedia doesn't worry about pushing updates to users | 16:13 |
| suihkulokki | waite: contact pandora.com, if enough people annoy them they might fix their site | 16:14 |
| timeless | the content providers force users to pull updates | 16:14 |
| waite | I feel that Flash suppt is going to be the downfall of the 770 | 16:14 |
| timeless | which works for desktops where the users can just download it | 16:14 |
| timeless | i'm curious about how many sites you visit use flash that you actually need to use | 16:14 |
| timeless | none of the sites i visit do | 16:14 |
| waite | pandora seems to be pretty much req'd. But I understand where you are coming from | 16:15 |
| timeless | what in the world is pandora? | 16:15 |
| timeless | shoutcast.com works for me | 16:16 |
| timeless | to the extent that i care about music (which i don't) | 16:16 |
| timeless | odd | 16:16 |
| waite | Pandora is my newest discovery. Pandora.com is part of the Music Genome project. Bascilly it makes a radio station based on the specfics of an artist you supply. | 16:16 |
| timeless | i'm running opensolaris w/ flash player 7 | 16:16 |
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| timeless | and pandora loaded | 16:17 |
| timeless | what am i supposed to do here? | 16:17 |
| waite | On your 770 | 16:17 |
| timeless | can you please litterally walk me step by step through this? | 16:17 |
| waite | ? | 16:17 |
| waite | Surel | 16:17 |
| timeless | i loaded http://pandora.com/ | 16:17 |
| waite | So put an atrist in the search bar that you enjoy listening to | 16:17 |
| timeless | no | 16:17 |
| timeless | that's not literal | 16:17 |
| timeless | give me a name | 16:17 |
| waite | ok Jack Johnson | 16:17 |
| timeless | search bar? | 16:18 |
| waite | Hold on. Bringinup up new browser | 16:18 |
| timeless | please, pretend i don't know anything (really, i've never been to this site) | 16:18 |
| waite | I understand. | 16:18 |
| waite | I have to get a virgin browser without my settings loading | 16:18 |
| timeless | i'm a foreigner, i speak a strange form of English which you understand, but not web or music babble | 16:18 |
| timeless | for reference, i have no script enabled in firefox1.5.0.7, i can enable scripts if at some point your steps don't match mine | 16:19 |
| timeless | (NoScript) | 16:19 |
| waite | Ok you are at pandora.com right? | 16:19 |
| timeless | yes | 16:20 |
| waite | Do you see the "Listen To Music!" | 16:20 |
| timeless | yes | 16:20 |
| waite | click on "artist or song" | 16:20 |
| timeless | ok | 16:21 |
| waite | type "Jack Johnson" | 16:21 |
| timeless | ok | 16:21 |
| waite | Press the Create button | 16:21 |
| timeless | ok | 16:22 |
| * timeless hears music | 16:22 | |
| waite | After the Station is created, It will first play a song by Jack Johnson | 16:22 |
| waite | THe next song(s) will be chosen by the Genome pjoect to match some of the aspects of this song. | 16:23 |
| * timeless nods | 16:24 | |
| waite | IE for Jack Johson it will use the criteria of "mild rhythmic synopation, acustic sonority, major key tonality, acoustic rhythm guitars" | 16:24 |
| waite | You can select a thumbs up or thumbs down per song and it will further refine the selections to your tastes. | 16:25 |
| waite | This allows you to discover new artists in the same "feel" as your prefrences | 16:26 |
| waite | make sense? | 16:26 |
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| timeless | yes | 16:26 |
| * timeless frowns | 16:26 | |
| timeless | how do i make it forget me? | 16:26 |
| waite | huh? | 16:27 |
| timeless | it now knows that i know this jack johnson | 16:27 |
| timeless | is that a flash persistent thing? | 16:27 |
| waite | I am not sure how it stores info. Probably a cookie | 16:27 |
| * timeless ponders | 16:28 | |
| waite | You can delete the station by clicking the down arrow next to "Jack Johnson Radio" | 16:28 |
| timeless | on my 770 the flash app never loads, i just get a missing image | 16:28 |
| waite | I just get the loading... | 16:28 |
| timeless | i suppose enabling shockwave flash in the browser might help | 16:28 |
| waite | quite possibly | 16:28 |
| timeless | ok | 16:33 |
| timeless | so, that flash is *really* heavy | 16:34 |
| timeless | it only burns 8% of my desktop machine | 16:34 |
| timeless | but considering it's just playing audio, that's pretty bad | 16:34 |
| waite | Yeah. | 16:34 |
| timeless | i'm not sure what i can legally say | 16:34 |
| timeless | i've never seen the source for flash | 16:35 |
| timeless | i've never seen the source for pandora | 16:35 |
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| waite | I've sent off a support request to them. | 16:36 |
| timeless | fwiw people have apparently complained fairly consistently about this site | 16:36 |
| * timeless pitties the poor flash devs at nokia | 16:36 | |
| waite | hehe. | 16:37 |
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| waite | I know resource limited flash is a pain but less and less is supporting < Flash 7 | 16:37 |
| waite | timeless, ppl have complained about pandora in general | 16:38 |
| _follower_ | what does the chumby support, flashwise? | 16:38 |
| timeless | i'm sure that nokia is aware flash 7 isn't a good thing to have on their device | 16:38 |
| suihkulokki | funnny that everyone complains about the *propiertary* bits | 16:38 |
| timeless | i'm sure sun knows that flash 7 isn't good to have on opensolaris either | 16:39 |
| timeless | i'll have to see if sun fixes that in snv53 | 16:39 |
| timeless | unfortunately macromedia just shipped 9 for linux | 16:39 |
| timeless | so most likely the 770 will be unhappy again even if it does get an update | 16:39 |
| * timeless sighs | 16:40 | |
| timeless | burning up to 37% of my cpu just to play flash audio? | 16:40 |
| _follower_ | timeless: no, that's just the malware spamming in the backgroun.d.. :-) | 16:40 |
| * timeless tries to find a usable cpu graph | 16:41 | |
| timeless | ok, i think it's possible i lost about 20% of cpu to that flash thing | 16:41 |
| waite | timeless, I agree. I wish less people used Flash. And I certainly feel Fllah Video will always be bad on a 770 | 16:41 |
| timeless | hrm | 16:41 |
| timeless | closing the tab got me another 10% of cpu | 16:41 |
| waite | what CPU graph are you using | 16:42 |
| timeless | so yeah, that's really pretty darn heavy | 16:42 |
| timeless | gnome-system-monitor | 16:42 |
| timeless | it has 4 lines, which makes it a bit hard to read | 16:42 |
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| timeless | dual cpu hyperthreaded or something | 16:42 |
| timeless | generally a beefy machine | 16:42 |
| timeless | minus having no disk space | 16:42 |
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| waite | It *is* very heavy. | 16:46 |
| timeless | anyway, thanks for complaining to them | 16:46 |
| timeless | i can't fix it at all | 16:47 |
| timeless | my fix would be to use some other service or pay someone to make another service | 16:47 |
| waite | I see a 40% drop in CPU load and tons of mem pressure released. | 16:47 |
| waite | Well chalk that up to a good idea badly implimented! | 16:47 |
| waite | thx for the investigtion | 16:48 |
| timeless | glad to resolve it as "not a browser bug" | 16:48 |
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| waite | hehe. Never really thought it was. Maybe a not supported in this version, but I did not think a bug | 16:48 |
| timeless | btw, for the future if you ever do file a bug, please use the style you did when you finally talked me through it | 16:48 |
| waite | Oh yeah NP. I one was in a support org. | 16:49 |
| timeless | well you described it as AJAX | 16:49 |
| waite | I only was starting a conversation here. Liek does anyone else know about this | 16:49 |
| * timeless nods | 16:49 | |
| waite | I would do a LOT more investigation before I file a bug :) | 16:50 |
| timeless | turns out that 'pandora.com' was a magic word | 16:50 |
| waite | I guess so! | 16:50 |
| waite | Still new here. I don't know where all the gGues are | 16:50 |
| waite | Grues that is | 16:50 |
| timeless | oddly maemo.org has no bugs listing it | 16:51 |
| waite | I guess I should carry my lantern | 16:51 |
| timeless | it might be good for you to file one w/ the steps you gave me just so that people don't have to search for it later | 16:51 |
| waite | ok I wshal;l. I have to hit a meeting now but I will file it | 16:51 |
| * timeless grumbles | 16:51 | |
| timeless | please include in the summary that it's a flash bug | 16:51 |
| timeless | the components under nokia 770 don't seem to have flash | 16:51 |
| timeless | and i don't want it going through browser channels | 16:52 |
| waite | hmm | 16:52 |
| waite | It seems other Flash things follow browser channels. | 16:57 |
| timeless | yeah, just so long as flash is clearly in the summary | 16:58 |
| * timeless goes to read 282 | 16:58 | |
| * timeless sighs | 16:58 | |
| timeless | maemo.org's bugzilla might be better than some, but it's really not easy to use | 16:59 |
| waite | buzilla is nice but It is tough I find to use at times | 16:59 |
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| timeless | examples? | 17:00 |
| * timeless grumbles | 17:00 | |
| timeless | one of those bugs probably got lost | 17:00 |
| timeless | the other definitely got lost | 17:00 |
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| Wiredless | morning all | 17:13 |
| Wiredless | anyone here working on canola | 17:13 |
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| Wiredless | hey matt\ | 17:28 |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to resize the plugin taskbar | 17:56 |
| roope | nope. | 17:56 |
| |tbb| | some of the themes looks like it ist possible, thats why im asking | 17:58 |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to define which plugs should be showed and which not | 18:00 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: nope | 18:09 |
| Wiredless | anyone working on canola here? | 18:12 |
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| koen | onion_: I rediffed large parts of your patch against the latest release of maemo-mapper: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/make-hildon-optional.patch | 19:03 |
| koen | onion_: it still missing de-hildonification of the new POI functions | 19:04 |
| bergie | koen: Are you the one working on maemo mapper's POI stuff? | 19:04 |
| koen | bergie: no, I just want a de-hildonified maemo mapper for my other pdas | 19:05 |
| bergie | aha | 19:05 |
| timeless | anyone here know of a web server for the 770 that's easy to setup and not dangerous? | 19:05 |
| koen | for the FIC neo1973 :) | 19:05 |
| timeless | i just want to serve a single web page | 19:05 |
| timeless | that says "hello world" | 19:05 |
| koen | timeless: cherokee? | 19:05 |
| timeless | is it available as a package? | 19:06 |
| timeless | (oh yeah, "easy to setup" = application installer installable) | 19:06 |
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| rillian | timeless: cherokee would be a good choice, but I'm not aware of anything packaged | 19:20 |
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| timeless | there's a package for os2005 of something :( | 19:22 |
| timeless | hrm, i'm running out of disk space | 19:22 |
| timeless | <1g left and it's counting | 19:22 |
| timeless | oh good | 19:24 |
| timeless | swift% df -h . | 19:24 |
| timeless | Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on | 19:24 |
| timeless | root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/world-all.0/world/garage | 19:24 |
| timeless | 69G 1.2G 947M 57% /export/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/world-all.0/world/garage | 19:24 |
| timeless | i haven't run out of space, but boy am i close :( | 19:24 |
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| mgedmin | um ... 1.2G used + 947 M avail + 10% reserved for superuser = 69 G ? | 19:31 |
| timeless | well, the math gets really screwy | 19:32 |
| timeless | when you consider that i have around 64 zfs volumes | 19:32 |
| timeless | each of which claims that same 929M available | 19:33 |
| timeless | (and dropping as garage svn updates thingy at a time) | 19:33 |
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| mgedmin | oh, zfs | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | I've no experience with that | 19:39 |
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| timeless | ping | 20:24 |
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| kender | hello | 20:29 |
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| timeless | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=374 | 20:33 |
| timeless | ping | 20:33 |
| rev | ping | 20:34 |
| rev | pong | 20:34 |
| c0ffee | pingeling | 20:34 |
| timeless | can someone tell me if that bug is really "properly" fixed? | 20:35 |
| timeless | i'm guessing it isn't | 20:35 |
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| Tak | hmm | 20:55 |
| Tak | I wonder how that bug applies to fceu and xmame | 20:55 |
| Tak | I would love to have good sound from fceu | 20:56 |
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| adoyle | Any 770 Python hackers here? I'm trying to figure out how hard it would be to get BaseHTTPServer running on the 770 | 21:29 |
| adoyle | I'm also wondering what the /usr/lib/python24.zip file is for. Does that need to be unpacked or is Python accessing it directly? | 21:30 |
| aCiDBaSe | adoyle: nope... | 21:32 |
| aCiDBaSe | /usr/lib/python24.zip contains the standard library modules | 21:33 |
| aCiDBaSe | this zipfile is in sys.path | 21:33 |
| adoyle | ok, thanks aCiDBaSe | 21:34 |
| aCiDBaSe | you can copy the BaseHTTPServer.py module from Python in your application directory to use it... | 21:34 |
| adoyle | I was just pondering that. | 21:34 |
| adoyle | My goal is to get Tiny HTTP Proxy running | 21:35 |
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| timeless | someone asked about resizing home applets for the 770 | 22:55 |
| timeless | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234 | 22:55 |
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| keesj | is nseries.com from nokia? | 22:59 |
| timeless | ? | 22:59 |
| keesj | http://www.nseries.com/770experience_2/index.html?lang=en&country=US | 22:59 |
| timeless | nseries.com is terrible w/ noscript :( | 22:59 |
| * timeless ponders | 23:00 | |
| timeless | it doesn't even have proper encoding | 23:00 |
| timeless | unless ^A(c) is really intentional | 23:00 |
| * timeless wonders why it's (c) Nokia 2005 | 23:00 | |
| keesj | Yes, but I love the "view Hacks and Apps Gallery" I would never imagine Nokia writing something like that | 23:00 |
| * timeless frowns | 23:01 | |
| * timeless can't read the developers competition panel in that flash applet anymore | 23:01 | |
| timeless | (n95) | 23:01 |
| Tak | I wonder why they included the ones they didn't have screenshots for | 23:02 |
| keesj | I like the choice of app, but I can imagine it's quite hard to make choices , | 23:04 |
| tigert | http://ns34644.ovh.net/~stockman/gougoule1120/kebab/kebab.wmv | 23:04 |
| Juhaz | Domain Name.......... nseries.com | 23:06 |
| Juhaz | Organisation Name.... Nokia Corporation | 23:06 |
| keesj | tigert, may the force be with you , what person did you play in the film? | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | Final Fantasy Kebab | 23:07 |
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| tigert | keesj: hehe | 23:07 |
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| keesj | make me wonder about maemo-mapper. google must know about it. | 23:10 |
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| timeless | wow | 23:21 |
| * timeless finds a very long and detailed explanation about jffs2 and flash write/wear | 23:21 | |
| timeless | strange | 23:23 |
| * timeless can't find any indication of where the answers came from | 23:23 | |
| keesj | timeless, url? | 23:24 |
| * mgedmin wonders how swap on the mmc card affects its lifetime | 23:24 | |
| timeless | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=598 | 23:24 |
| timeless | anyone here know where molly mallone's (sp?) is? | 23:24 |
| keesj | mgedmin, yes, specialy with at fat file system | 23:26 |
| JussiP | Molly Malone's Helsinki? | 23:27 |
| timeless | yes | 23:29 |
| timeless | is it in city center? | 23:29 |
| JussiP | Across the street from Kinopalatsi. | 23:29 |
| timeless | they doesn't help me | 23:29 |
| sp3000 | "yes" ? :) | 23:29 |
| timeless | i barely know where the railway station is :) | 23:29 |
| timeless | sp3000: that works better | 23:30 |
| JussiP | You know Mannerheimintie? | 23:30 |
| sp3000 | so 100m east from there | 23:30 |
| timeless | yeah, but if it's in city center, i know the place | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | I think mmc and other flash memory devices have internal logic to distribute writes all over the place | 23:30 |
| ||cw | they do | 23:31 |
| JussiP | Look at http://kartta.hel.fi . Go east along Kaivokatu. The street name changes to Kaisaniemenkatu after one block. Molly is there. | 23:33 |
| JussiP | Starting from the railway station that is. | 23:33 |
| keesj | timeless, it sound great but even writing one bite is creating a write right? so how can he speak of data size | 23:34 |
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| timeless | i'm not a hardware person | 23:34 |
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| keesj | I am a wanabe :) Embedded linux primer in my bed. and today I added usb to my sweex router | 23:35 |
| timeless | sp3000: hrm | 23:35 |
| timeless | the description really doesn't match my memory of where city center is :( | 23:35 |
| timeless | so near berggatan/fabianinkatu? | 23:36 |
| * timeless updates maemomapper w/ zoom0 maps | 23:37 | |
| JussiP | Before Berggatan (Vuorikatu). | 23:37 |
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| sp3000 | kaisaniemenkatu 1 if you can use the street address for $site | 23:38 |
| ||cw | keesj: datasize as nothing to do with it, it's writes per block and a block is a fixed size. any data size up to the block size is one write in the block it writes it to | 23:38 |
| timeless | dunno if maemo mapper will let me | 23:38 |
| ||cw | the wear leveling simply makes sure that the least used blocks are the ones that are used next so that all the blocks have about the same number of writes | 23:38 |
| timeless | doesn't seem to like that | 23:39 |
| sp3000 | timeless: from railway station south entrance, along south edge of square eastward, on street turning ne, first block, left hand side? | 23:40 |
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| * sp3000 doesn't know the constraints of this excercise :) | 23:40 | |
| * sp3000 usually just goes by the ytv route planner on the cell phone | 23:42 | |
| sp3000 | I should get one of these 770 things I keep hering about | 23:42 |
| sp3000 | hearing, even | 23:43 |
| sp3000 | timeless: er, right hand side | 23:43 |
| * sp3000 is good at flipping bits like that when giving directions. :| | 23:48 | |
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